Charles Moore has written a good piece in the Telegraph about the recent tweet by Richard Moore, the head of MI6, seeming to say that “LGBT+ rights” are the most important freedoms that distinguish Britain from Putin’s Russia.
This is what Charles had to say:
Mr. Moore is right that one of Putin’s many repulsive aspects is his persecution of gay people. But it is not true to state that LGBT+ rights stand at the pinnacle of all the freedoms that make us different from Putin’s Russia.
The central point about Western freedom is that it is a condition of all living. It cannot be boiled down to sexuality, sex, race, region, age, religion etc: it is not a list of specific rights granted to designated minorities, but freedom for everyone.
It follows that the most important defences of freedom are general too – the rule of law, habeas corpus, parliamentary democracy, freedom of speech. It is a serious mistake to exalt group rights over the rights of each person.
Mr. Moore’s tweet trivialises the evil that Putin embodies – a tyranny attacking all human dignity and all human choice. In this time of extreme crisis, “C” should not be counselling his staff to spend any time at all on LGBT+ “History Month”, or any History Month whatever.
“C”s tweet is unwise for another reason. The head of MI6, even now that he is publicly “avowed”, should not use his position to make moral/political assertions. In our free society, his job should be much more focused than that. His task is to lead the agency that supplies our Government with secret intelligence about threats posed by foreign powers and international terrorist networks, and personally to advise the Prime Minister on such matters.
Vauxhall Cross is the headquarters of Britain’s intelligence professionals, not Mr. Moore’s pulpit.
We’d better hope that Charles Moore and Richard Moore aren’t related or Christmas lunch could be a little awkward this year.
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LGBT Rights? What are these and why don’t the rest of the population have them?
The main thing that distinguishes us now from Putin’s Russia is our delusions that we are uniquely moral.
Is it possible to agree that respecting LGBT rights is important while wondering about the necessity of having the entrance to our government’s nerve centre adorned like a Barry Manilow tribute float at carnival?
UK Column looks at Moore’s rather bizarre statement and behind all the gobbelian propaganda being pumped out by the U.K./ international bankers controlled MSM which all to a man and woman supported all the aggressive wars against Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and the coups plus economic blockades against Venezuela.
Oh yes, must do forget their support for clotshots!
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-28th-february-2022
Well said Charles Moore. That comment from the head of MI6 made me despair
Pretty much the only right we have left in the UK is to have a penis inserted into your bum hole.
Well, be fair, you are also allowed to have offensive objects poked up your nose!
Surely Russia’s depiction of trans anything as ‘monstrous’ puts them ahead of us in the reality stakes?
Cancel me I don’t care.
How much bloody lower can we go?
We have a war in Europe and the head of our intelligence service sees fit to pontificate on sexual rights. And we are paying this prick from the public purse.
I duckin well despair.
What a shit hole we have become!
So this is now the philosophical ‘Great Debate’ and pitch for the ‘High Moral Ground’ from the newly ‘politically engaged’ M16
Putin is currently facing down Ukrainian Nationalist Militia who proudly wear SS Insignia and daily shell towns and villages in Western Ukraine inhabited by Russian civilans while the UK is putting down the banner for LBGT rights.
No further comment required.
I saw SS insignia openly on display during the Euromaidan protests. I was horrified – and waited for the international protests. Surely people knew what the SS had done – in the Ukraine, in Russia and elsewhere.
Then I discovered that they were the good guys who had helped bring about a Revolution of Dignity. They were supporting “dignity”, not looking to settle unfinished business with those who had pushed the Nazis out of the Ukraine.
Now the Russians are the villains and they are the ones we must defend.
I haven’t verified this, but I’m willing to bet it’s legitimate. The voice, with its affected Sista’s drawl, is perfect, and, while she is asked to put it in layman’s terms, Harris, intellectual powerhouse that she is, replies:
“Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country, Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine, so, basically that’s wrong.”
https://gettr.com/post/pxnl5d77bc
Now what do we have here? Is she dumb? Well, we know she’s pretty dumb, but is that the whole story? Is she so unskilled at dealing with ordinary people that she can’t help talking to them as if they are toddlers? Does she think they’re no more advanced than toddlers? All three? More?
Answers on a bloody postcard 😂😂
(not intending to downgrade the imbecility of her statement) … Were you aware that, while she was DA of Alameda County, across the Bay from San Fran, she was Willy Brown’s mistress.
In his time as a legislator, Brown was known as the most powerful politician in California. The quip was that he could walk into a banquet with his wife on one arm and his mistress on the other.
He appointed Harris to two State boards. Neither required much work and/or attendance. One paid her in excess of $70K/year. I forget what the other paid.
If being a whore is defined by taking money for sex, then Kamala Harris is one.
Guess what? … During the election, American voters thought little or nothing of it.
My parents America is dead, and will never return.
I am indeed aware of this, though more the peripheries than the intricacies, and of course this doesn’t detract from the fraud’s stupidity. In fact, it offers valuable insight into how such a dumb specimen came to achieve high (the second highest, if you please!) office.
It was a complicated election. Yes, there was undoubtedly vote fraud. It’s become habitual in certain Democratic “locations”. But there was also a massive rejection of DT. I voted for Trump because I knew entirely too much about JB and KH. (JB’s been an open book for decades, and my father lived in Sacramento while Willy Brown was active.)
In the end, the 2020 election was like the classic clown act at America’s Ringling Brothers’ circus. The sputtering car roars around the arena, then into the center ring. 47 clowns crawl out and race around the ring doing stupid things to each other.
The international bottom line seems to be that we’re electing celebrities, instead of leaders. Social media rules the roost. What was the 30 second attention span back when TV came into vogue, has become the 5 second attention span.
Pogo said it. “We have met the enemy, and they are us.”
They hold us in contempt. They hold children in contempt. They are not afraid of displaying their contempt.
It might help to notice that those slamming Putin for anti-Querty are the same who elevated Pussy Riot in the cathedral to an act of “Worship”.
I suggest, look at what else they also wish to destroy.
It was known 15+ years ago that Putin’s mother had remained steadfast Russian Orthodox during the Soviet years, and that he was 100% on her side. The “Liberal/Progressive” crowd openly and loudly cheered Pussy Riot, and damned Putin to hell for his reaction to them.
“rights”
Did Savile? He apparently did. He definitely had “influence”, and that translated into a essential “right” to do the things he did, without being held to account.
So … how about the following?
Between 1982 and 1990 in the UK, there were a string of 25 bizarre and inexplicable deaths of male scientists and engineers working for Britain’s General Electric Company (GEC) on highly-classified defense programs. Investigations at the time universally classified them as “suicides” (even though by ’87, they were beginning to look suspiciously like covertly-disguised murders – or perhaps, some form of “manslaughter”.)
One characteristic was that each victim had been under incredible stress, but possibly because of intense security, was unable to get it off his chest.
Toward the end of it, four of the victims had accepted new employment just days before their deaths, and had just made appointments to speak with their Members of Parliament.
To cite an author of an article on the deaths, each of the four had told family and friends that they’d been given “‘strange”, “impossible” and “unscientific” tasks by their supervisors.
Occam’s Razor indicates that an homosexual sadomasochistic sex ring was operating, and it was very-tightly “protected”.
What does that… Read more »
I hope someone comes along and yells … “Hey! GE’s an AMERICAN company!”
Never was sure about Number 10.
[W]e should remember the values and hard won freedoms that distinguish us from Putin, none more than LGBT+ rights.
We need to discuss this. This gets to the heart of what is rotten about our society. This virtue signalling waste of space is saying, of all the ‘hard won freedoms that distinguish us from Putin’, the perverse LGB’T”+’ ‘rights’ is the pinnacle.
This of necessity raises some questions. What does ‘LGBT+ rights’ mean, exactly, and what is the plus? Is it open-ended? Can the waste of a good suit articulate all that the plus entails?
A ten spot says he can’t. So is he willing to affirm this undefined and undefinable plus when it inevitably leads to something even he won’t be able to stomach?
So, what is an LGB ‘right’? (Forget the ‘T’ and the ‘+’ – they are (for now) phantoms. Figments of the imagination. Moreover, the ‘T’ is a fundamental denial of the L, G & B.) The ‘right’ to participate in the sacred bond of marriage, that God-ordained union of a man and a woman? On a properly grounded conservatism, No. The right not to be killed or persecuted for their sexuality? On a properly grounded… Read more »
Very good points.
“[The} tweet trivialises the evil that Putin embodies – a tyranny attacking all human dignity and all human choice.”
Where has Charles Moore – the quintessential establishment stooge – been over the last two years?
I don’t recall him calling out western “leaders” as evil or accusing them of attacking human dignity and choice.
The silence is deafening Mr Moore, but your hypocrisy is staggering.
Moore is turning into one of those worried Aristocrats, who while “tut tutting’ the brutal crushing of freedom and democracy in Germany and the rise of Hitler’s totalitarianism and persecution of dissenters and the Jews … of course understood the point the Germans were making …and poured himself another port.
His ‘class’ must have received a “Keep Your Heads Down and Mouths Shut until we get there” memo.
Moore shares a Club with Johnson.
I share your puzzlement. See earlier post.
No it isn’t a “good piece”. It stinks. Vladimir Putin espouses the type of traditional conservative values which used to be the bedrock of our society but which have been long abandoned by successive British governments.
Boris has announced that from now on the Queen will be getting a 21 bum salute to mark her birthday as anything less would be homophobic.
Lines of unequal lengths? How unmilitary!
In Richard Moore’s defence, his team probably brainstormed a list of about 20 freedom examples that used to separate us from Russia.
Then they started crossing off anything that had been arbitrarily withdrawn by our unhinged psychopathic “leaders” over the last two years (nod to Will).
LGBT+ is probably all they had left on the list.
The West is an increasingly degenerate multyculty shizer hole.
Free speech is continually throttled lest you offend a member of the mujahadeen or some gender queer mental case.
Your kids will leave school illiterate but they will know that the world will end next Wednesay because of climate change.
Going into any town or city is like taking a trip to the third world.
Soon many will be unable to afford to heat their stupidly expensive homes.
Personal freedom? Lgbtq whatever rights? I must laugh. You mean 2 years of coercion? Mandating medical procedure you don’t need? Constant coercion? Violating your basic rights by green pass? Piss off richard moore with your utter nonsense.
Humanity has well and truly lost it.
Covid hysteria, war in the Ukraine, demands for LGBT+ rights, eco fanatics glueing their hands to roads, you can now choose your own gender, etc., etc. Nervous breakdown territory.
It’s all too much. Beam me up Scotty.
Yes. Full-steam-ahead and no hand-signals.
The West has well and truly lost it…or is it being been deliberately taken down?
Since he had the technology, Scotty has already ‘left the building’.
We have SNP comparing the attempt by the SNP to get a majority in an IndyRef (and failing) with Ukraine’s fight to remain independent in the face of Russian warfare. We have all sorts of others comparing their particular pet interest with Ukraine and now a supposedly intelligent, politically alert, senior and well paid leader of a critical organisation, comes out with this tripe.
Is there any hope for us?
It’s not looking very good. The only way is down, it seems.
“we should remember the values and hard won freedoms that distinguish us from Putin, none more than LGBT+ rights.”
[Emphasis mine]
Wot? Are these people actually insane? And this is the head of M16?
And we had the Defence Secretary bragging about us being able to kick Russia’s arse.
Lordy!
I think they must be putting something in the water.
LGBT ‘rights’ have become weaponised against the UKs Christians.
What people get up to behind closed doors is their business, but stop imposing your militant homosexuality on us.
Deconstruction of heterosexual ‘ default normality’ seems to be the objective and with it Bourgeois Society – all in the Reset Plan.
Useful tool in long term population reduction in the West too?
‘Useful tool’ and ‘population reduction’ would seem to be mutually exclusive terms, surely?
And so, as the sun sets on a once wonderful, though flawed, civilisation… ‘C’ will hopefully turn the lights off as he leaves the building, having tweeted our surrender.
Now that Parliament has granted the security services the ability to break any law they fancy, I hope to be offed with a standard issue rainbow coloured Walther PPK. The sooner the better. Please join me!
🙂
I wonder how the Azov brigade are with LGBT rights?
Zelensky’s on board. Check him out in his music video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgOSrw9Q8rc
Real presidential material. Maybe Vlad’s got a point?
The west have no problem with the Azov regiment or their views:
“On December 16, 2021, only the US and Ukraine voted against a United Nations resolution condemning the “glorification of Nazism,” while the United Kingdom, EU, Australia, NZ and Canada abstained.”
Seems like our “leaders” have no boundaries when it comes to breath-taking hypocrisy.
No boundaries indeed – not even the backing of the runic insignia of SS 2nd Panzer Division “Das Reich” ( Oradour sur Glane June 1944) worn by the Azov regiment, very good at shelling civilians in Donbass.
I should imagine they hunt them down. But hasn’t Johnson declared his total support for the Militias? Truss wants to go and fight alongside them – Crowd Fund for the ticket anyone?
I will definitely contribute to any fund which will equip any of our MP’s who wish to go and fight in the Ukraine.
And I don’t care which side they fight on.
If celebrating LGBTQIAP+ nonsense is what makes the West great, then we’re a degenerate and silly civilisation that will soon be cast into the dustbin of history.
Even as an issue of personal freedom, it’s like celebrating morbidly obese people or alcoholics. These are not the people that used their freedom to achieve great things. They take the seed of human life, the sacred seed that creates babies, and they inseminate members of the same sex with it by putting it in the same place they go to the toilet. The result is a degenerate sub-culture that glorifies sexual release as the be all and end all of sex. One of the results is AIDS, a disease they share with other Sodomites and drug addicts.
To accommodate this peoples use of their freedoms we tell ourselves the fiction that they are “born that way”. We invented the terms “homosexual” and “heterosexual” and forced a change in society’s attitude from something you did to something you were. It shows how ignorant and disinterested we are that we don’t realise that whilst same sex gratification existed in other cultures there was never any question of a person being born homosexual. It’s… Read more »
Seems the Westboro Baptists have arrived…
Calling people names is not an argument.
Satire dear boy. “a degenerate sub-culture” is hardly kind. Or constructive argument.
I constructed my argument in the rest of my writing. It has nothing to do with the ideology of the Westboro Baptists or any other religious underpinnings.
If the sex that produces human life can be characterised as “generative”, producing generation after generation, then “homosexual” behaviour is the definition of degeneracy.
Convoluted garbage but at 10 to 1 in the morning I have neither the time nor patience to take this rubbish apart.
I do find some of your comments offensive.
The amount of downvotes prove that there’s a whole lot of homophobes on this site.
Not necessarily causality, PM66. They could just dislike your posts. And that’s not even allowing for the phantom downvoters who treat it like a hobby.
Please define ‘homophobe’, point to anything Matt Mounsey said that fits the definition, and then articulate why ‘homophobia’ is ‘wrong’ and by what standard.
The term “homophobia” (or any other political abuse of the word phobia) is a weasel word intended to lock out any debate and empower those that hurl it with a sense of moral superiority.
It also presupposes that there is no argument to be had because the opponent is suffering from a lack of mental capacity. What the empowered never acknowledge is that by refusing to examine their own ideas and actually come up with some arguments for them, it is they that have the mental impediment. They are living in denial.
Well, it’s not that time any more and I’ve further replied below. Let’s see your arguments take either of them apart.
They say that the most anti gay in society are repressing their true sexuality. In that case Matt it’s about time you accepted who you really are and start celebrating your homosexuality.
Any excuse for a party?
They say that the most anti-child rape in society are repressing their true sexuality. In that case it’s about time you accepted who you really are and started celebrating your paedophilia.
First, I think it’s important to define your terms. I deny that homosexuality exists, not that people don’t engage in acts of sexual gratification with members of the same sex. I just think that these are acts of volition, not that you’re somehow born that way and compelled to follow through.
What is homosexuality? It’s the ideology that a biological male or female, let’s take male for example, with male biological sex and the reproductive apparatus (penis and sperm) can by some mental or developmental issue be born to have sexual relations with other men, not women. They have a different “sexuality” or “sexual orientation”. This orientation is not defined by the sexual process (which ends for them at ejaculation) but by the object of attraction.
The problem with this is that it could be extended to any object of fixation – and it is. There are people that are attracted to and ejaculate into cuddly toys. Do they have a cuddly toy sexual orientation? Why not apply it to any inanimate object? They’re stuck there for life with that “orientation”. Nothing they can do about it.
It shouldn’t take long to realise how absurd this is. It takes a… Read more »
The central point about Western freedom is that it is a condition of all living.
What western freedoms would they be Mr Moore ? You mean the ones we so eagerly ditched in return for a government promise that it could save us all from a virus? Because to be honest, I haven’t seen much of these much vaunted freedoms around lately that we claim to hold dear .. especially in places like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and even here in Britain where over these last two years our freedoms have been eroded so much so that I was planning on leaving simply to get away from the creepng authoritarianism that appears to have had been adopted throughout the UK and across most of the western liberal democracies since 2020.
Western freedoms?
Don’t make me laugh!
The central point about western freedom now seems to be that its a condition on you doing what the government tells you to do or they are taken away from you until you comply.
Thats western freedom for you.
https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/28/uk-govt-to-make-some-covid-laws-permanent/
Stealth Tyranny!
Yes this last to be confirmed by their iniquitous new Bill of Rights and their signing over of our Health Policy to the WHO and Gates.
Hear, hear.
One does get the impression that Charles Moore departs only a fraction from most of the mainstream orthodoxy, which is disappointing. But, I suppose he’s undergone the same two years of psy-ops as the rest of us…
If that is the pinnacle of our ‘achievements’ as a nation, then I’ll take Russian citizenship all day long.
In truth, the head of MI6 is a virtue signalling, attenion-seeking waste of space who is talking utter garbage.
According to this quick search and scan online via duckduckgo… Ukraine don’t even have legal LGBT rights – or espouse them in the media.
https://ukraineworld.org/articles/ukraine-explained/ukraine-lgbt-rights
Not unlike Tony Radakin, the 24th Chief of the Defence Staff.
God help us…
So MI6 is now yet another political organisation ! Just what we need, more politicians!