Despite the record reported infections in recent days, the latest data from the UKHSA suggests probable Omicron infections in London are already in decline.
The above chart has been created by Professor Anthony Brookes of Leicester University using the total number of probable Omicron infections (S-gene dropout, SGTF) reported each day by the UKHSA, applying a two-day smoothing and then plotting the daily increase as the day’s new reported infections. It gives an estimation of the number of Omicron infections reported for each English region each day. It shows reported Omicron infections in London peaking on December 18th and declining in the five days following it.
It’s worth noting that there was a data anomaly in Thursday’s report in which several thousand reported Omicron infections for London were retrospectively removed, resulting in a negative infection report on that day, which is why the last two days have dropped so low. This should resolve itself over the next few days, but even so there is no sign of continued growth in London.
The U.K. Covid dashboard shows London total reported infections initially peaking by specimen date on December 15th, which fits with a peak of Omicron by report date of December 18th. According to the UKHSA, Omicron infections were 80-90% of the (low-Ct) infections in London at that point.
However, there is then a second peak by specimen date on December 20th – the incomplete data from the last few days does not suggest it will rise much further, though the bumpy course of the outbreak it is hard to predict. With testing up massively in the last few weeks, there is clearly a testing artefact going on here, possibly with people getting tested 10 days before Christmas and then in the immediate run-up to it. The chart below shows PCR test numbers and positivity in London up to December 19th and there is no sign in that of a dip, only a steady rise up to 22.2%. That compares to a winter peak last year of 27.8% on December 31st. While positivity is rising, then, it is not anywhere near as fast or as high as the raw infection data. If the data from the UKHSA Omicron reports is an accurate reflection of what’s happening on the ground we should see the positivity in this chart start to fall shortly.
The following chart shows the national picture for all Pillar 2 tests (not just PCR tests) up to December 23rd. Positivity here has increased modestly to 6.4%, well below last year’s peak of 14% on January 4th (though the introduction of mass LFT testing since then will have changed the parameters somewhat). Deaths continue to decline at present, and are multiple times lower than this time last year, for which increased population immunity can probably take much of the credit (plus possibly milder variants).
Reassuringly, Gauteng province in South Africa – the original Omicron epicentre – continues to show no growth in daily reported infections.
Last year analysis by Imperial College London found that new daily infections in England began to decline from around December 26th. It will be interesting to see if something similar happens this year, perhaps as a post-Christmas herd immunity kicks in following all the mixing in the festive season. Watch this space – and in the meantime, enjoy your Christmas celebrations, and be glad that this year the sceptics won and there was no Christmas lockdown.
To join in with the discussion please make a donation to The Daily Sceptic.
Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.
It was always when not if. Prepare for a bruising battle – this will not be resisted without sacrifice.
It’s W A R !
It always was W A R Freddy, right from March 2020.
So that’s why Fishy was in Bali.
And obviously, although they have zero mandate for being there that’s why Billy and Fuhrer Schwab were in attendance. The New World Dictators.
To coin an old phrase – “The proof of the pudding is in the eating” There is no more need for conspiracy theory’s ! The truth of the whole scenario is out there in full view ! will a positive strike back that shakes the bastards up & takes back some of the ground lost ever happen ?
How? Serious question. I mean you can join all the rebels on roundabouts and world wide freedom protests. You can make snappy giant placards. You can print weather proof stickers, put them around. You can constantly post memes to social media and articles for the zombies – which are no doubt being shadow banned. You can start putting your money into other forms of investment. You can go to Costco and buy 6 months worth of arse paper and tinned food.
Maybe that article’s put me in a defeatist mood but none of it seems to be making any difference and beyond that, I’m out of ideas, unless its actually rampaging around with a baseball bat and burning stuff.
That last paragraph only works for B-M & anti teef a mob ! I know what you mean though ! If Toby , Steyn, Neil Oliver , Russel Brand , Bret Weinstein etc etc etc can’t make a dent how can we
Germany & Russia couldn’t stop it ! Just to see the enemy with a bloody nose would be a boost but I think tptb have us in a death roll 
But what could any of us do about the lockdowns and mask mandates?
Well at every opportunity we could ignore any rules. And any one of us could have been the lone face in Tesco without a mask, wearing an anti-vax sweatshirt.
And if enough people, especially the right sort of people, do that then eventually you get somewhere.
And just by getting your brain in gear, sussing out what is going on, finding like-minded people, and spreading the word is resistance, which cumulatively in the end may/should win the day. And if it doesn’t the whole human race is fucked anyway, and at least you tried.
I think you’re underestimating the thousands and thousands of people who don’t congregate on roundabouts or go on freedom protests or even visit sites like this or watch Neil Oliver et al. I think you’d be surprised by how many there are out there, really.
The problem is finding them – I mean actual in-person social network of like-minded people. We spend so much time venting on the web (wherever that’s possible) and bouncing our opinions around in our internet echo-chambers that we fail to address that most of us who see through the official narrative still find ourselves to be a lone voice within our real communities / families / circle of friends / work colleagues, etc. Some of us stay quiet for fear of being rejected by those closest to us, some of us develop a “lone warrior” complex while accomplishing exactly zip. This is why it has been so difficult being a dissident voice through all this. THIS is one of the biggest barriers that need to be dismantled if schemes like global health digital identity certificates and the like are to be avoided. Freedom is still a cause that doesn’t really have much support.
Should we, the red-pilled, just sit back and wait for the multi-jabbed to wipe themselves out in the next pandemic with the latest iteration of genetic engineering, or do we take up the fight?
On my 5 rural and self-sufficient acres in rural Australia, the former appeals.
Simmering anger may get the better of me, however, and God knows how extreme the next lockdown may be.
The former will only delay the latter. Delaying the latter will ensure you lose your land, so the former will inevitably become the latter. I do not believe there is time to procrastinate.
Absolutely FL.
Locally in the UK there are ‘hippies’ as I call them, setting up ‘rurual communes’ or ideas around the same. Hard to see how that works in reality. My attitude is we fight the fascists in the public square and defeat them. If not, the communes won’t matter – they will come for those as well.
Let the politicians know that if they support the idea, you’ll never vote for them.
For crying out loud John!
Repeat after me:
“Our salvation will not arrive via the ballot box.”
(We are way past the nominal voting systems).
Correct , the contempt these Charlatan’s have for the law abiding citizen knows no bounds !
Absolutely the voting system is f….d I mean look around you who do you vote for “Hell in a hand cart” or “Hell in a f…ing hand cart”?
The establishment political party system is broken – the people haven’t even given alternative centre Right challenger parties a chance to make a difference. Unlike the Left most on the centre Right are not political party animals but they better start if they they don’t want to end up being in servitude to the Left. It’s all there to play for – find your cojonnes and get active.
There will be no need for voting !
You could join a centre Right challenger party, get active locally and then tell your MP to stuff his party.
Facilitate international travel & strengthen borders ! There’s me thinking you just needed a Rubber Dingie to go where the F you like !
Refuse, show up without one and litigate if the drone processors enforce it.
Just like we did with masks. Force them to say something when you refuse.
The worst news.
Global elite have control over the rest of humans in the world Can we do anything Mr Young and friends or is this the end of liberty for ordinary folk??
off to work will check the answer when I come home at 6.00. From an ordinary person, asking.
Yes Tobes this is your moment , you legend
Thank you for trying to raise awareness on GB news Toby Young I watched when I got back from work. The discussion opponent is so unaware of the untrustworthy WHO.
So the answer is keep making people aware about the sinister plans.
This was always the intended outcome of the Planned-emic.
It was carefully planned and implemented in order to impose The Great Reset with global surveillance, control of the masses and population reduction.
Still think this is all cock-up Toby?
Looks suspiciously like a conspiracy to me.
conspiracy
/kənˈspɪrəsi/
noun
‘a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.’
And now we can confidently revise the “conspiracy.” What is clearly evident is a plan in plain sight. There can no longer be any doubt that what is being enacted is an enterprise that is without doubt both unlawful and intended to cause serious harms.
And that is harms across the world to millions of people.
So the Covid 19 medical experimental product was known to neither protect or stop transmission but Governments including ours introduced a passport such that those who did not take the injection were discriminated against, not because they were any more of a risk to the nations health but because they refused to obey and be treated the same as cattle intended for slaughter.
As if this fraud perpetrated upon us was not insult enough. Klaus schwab not only attended but also addressed the meeting leading on the project of reform of society. This Tyrant is neither elected, or part of any Government. He is an individual, a citizen, but also a businessman who represents the desires and wants of a small elite who have grasped by the throat the leaders of world governments. Why was he there? why is he allowed to spout his meinkampf style plan for humanity with him and his wealthy backers at the helm?
Why has our Government taken part and signed uo to any of this? I don’t recall obedience to the WEF or the G20 as part of any manifesto
Puts a lie to the ‘cock up’ theory doesn’t it? Rona patents stretch back to 2015. The Quacksines and genomic sequencing ready by 2019. The biolab released weapon (poor one admittedly), released on purpose and had to be created.
All the propaganda word for word the same across the G20. If you look at Rona dead (from not with) and Rona dead and injured from the Stabs it is a G20 scamdemic. Most countries that did not participate did not have any issues with the flu virus or bio weapon.
Something – WEF, Gates, WHO, UN, Rockefellers, Rothschilds whatever – runs the G20. Not the parliaments of the countries or these half wit asshat communist ‘leaders’.
And as usual not a peep from the MSM.
The only thing the bastards had to do was to ensure it carried out their propaganda to get the unthinking to toe the line They learnt that part well from history.
They seem not to notice or care, that the gene altering mRNA jabs don’t stop transmission of virus but they are very good at :-
Ensuring viral mutation,
Trashing the immune system, ultimately leading to auto immune disease and early death.
Maybe that’s the intention…
An integral part of their Reset is depopulation. They manage to link it very nicely with the green agenda.
Net zero = no carbon.
As humans consist of large amounts of carbon ‘net zero’ is simply a euphemism for:
A Lot Less People on the Planet.
Here’s the New Zealand perspective, from the NZ doctors;
“Are we still in the jungle, and struggling for survival against the most cunning, callous and narcissistic? On a basic survival-programming level, as humans we never really left our
primitive origins, and psychopaths lack any higher perspective. Have the ‘beyond wealthy’ accumulated so much, with so many of us to keep it from, that they see no choice but to wage war against us to hold onto what they have? Their over-confidence and derogatory dismissal of the human spirit – which they clearly lack themselves – requires us to elevate each other, push back and step into self-determination.”https://nzdsos.com/2022/11/18/vaccine-passport-nz/
Popcorn time with as much non-compliance as you can muster. Dig your own garden (lit. & met.) and then your grave. Be at peace with yourself and your choices. Watch the cowards continue to genuflect before their feeble idols, watch their fearful glances – remember the President of Tanzania etc.
Be nice to each other! Have a laugh! The proles are the only hope!
They will not prevail.
“Be at peace with yourself and your choices.”
Absolutely. That’s the decision I have made.
Agree. Be true to oneself, stand strong, do not comply and be OK with that and whatever it brings. Courage my friends!
No surprise that we’ve smelt a rat down that drain. They are demonstrating a crass bureaucratic overreach by the look of it. The idea of holding on to some kind of record sheet that may be useful on one’s travels is not new, though. Over the last 25 years or so I’ve often carried a roughly A5 record card for a range of different vaccines that I’ve used, along with my normal passport. It was produced by one of the drug firms, and just completed by hand, usually by whoever supplied the relevant jab. It has never been used – and not intended to be used – as a permit of any kind as far as I can remember. It was intended to be of use in any related emergency somewhere or other.
Anyone could fill it in, but why would they? It was for my benefit, not that of the foreign bureaucrats.
I see also Central Bank Digital Currencies get a mention.
‘We also welcome the joint report by the BIS CPMI, BISIH, IMF, and World Bank on options for access to and interoperability of Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) for cross-border payments.’
This development worries me, but seriously – how many things has the talking shop of G20 already said that are also completely unworkable pieces of baloney, dreamt up in the minds of disconnected people blinded by their own nonsense?
Let people have their vaccine passports if it makes them feel better. The question is this: can I travel without one? So far, definitely, yes. Apart from Bidenland. And many people have told me Homeland Security are OK with being shown a Blockbuster Membership Card.
Let’s hope so.
Let’s hope “Never underestimate the incompetence of those in charge” applies in spades.
That said, the bastards are making a good job of frightening the unthinking masses into compliance thus far.
Time will tell.
All Empires fall.
I say again, as I have said many times already: the queue at airports etc to show a “vaccine passport” will be a hundred times longer than the queue for the free.
We’re being controlled by worldwide systems over which the population itself has no control (whatever happened to democracy?)
What’s more, these organisations appear to be highly resistant to any criticism.
In this specific case it is the WHO — throughout the pandemic it appears to have made the wrong decisions at every point. However, it does not recognise any criticism and merely restates its original goals, even though there is substantial evidence that serious mistakes were made; it still maintains that the vaccines are great and have saved us all.
Because these organisations are the ones responsible for problems they’re also not going to undertake any investigative work to identify the problems, let alone work to resolve them.
They’ll ruin us all — well, except for themselves who I imagine will become significantly more wealthy.
You are a lost cause amanuensis.
In mid January this year, the WHO sent a special COVID envoy to the UK who – in a last bid to save the mask mandate – theatrically asked the rethorical question “What do these people [UK government] know about the virus that me and my colleagues who’ve been studying it from the start don’t?” and then predicted grave consequence for the UK and for the world as a whole within a fortnight or earlier should the mandate actually be lifted. Obviously, nothing of that sort happened or rather, nothing anybody but the WHO would consider serious happened.
That’s the WHO directly interfering in domestic affairs of a supposedly souvereign state and with open contempt for the legitimate, democratically elected government of this state. And all of these based on COVID propaganda lies from the WHO.
What do you precisely expect from such an organization? At best, they’re idiots, at worst, international mobsters. In reality, probably a mixture of both.
I’m beginning to think that this is just too big for ordinary men to resist and the only solution is to let God’s will be done. If you read Revelations it says that all men will receive the mark. Perhaps we should be looking to accelerate this not resist it. If the only way to beat this is by the return of the Messiah then surely we should look to acquiescing to the inevitable situation in prophesy rather than opposing it.
To none believers, please don’t bother to reply. Yes I know you’re much cleverer for not being duped like I have been etc. etc. Blah blah. Yawn.
‘Trust in God and keep your powder dry’
I don’t think your’s or anyone else’s god/deity is going to be of any use in a practical sense, although draw strength from wherever you can. It’s only flesh and blood people that have a chance of opposing this and enacting change. I just hope strength in numbers serves us and we don’t get screwed over by our fellow citizens who choose, apathetically, to take the path of least resistance.
Hey Mogwai, I hope you haven’t been eating after midnight?
This is going to sound pious or self aggrandising on my part but it is honestly not intended to be. I am learning that I’m not so good with tone.
Your conception of God is quite weak. It appears to be the “sky wizard” concept that most atheists tend to invoke, as though God is a separate entity sitting just above the clouds talking in a big boomy voice and chucking the odd bolt of lightening at unbelievers. This is frankly b*ll*cks.
Your “use in a practical sense” is quite patronising. It comes across as a conciliatory pat on the head, “There, there stupid, we’ll tolerate your silly views as long as you don’t keep banging on about it. Our worldview is much more developed than your arcane stupidity.”
God is the god of the bible. His son Yeshua is both deity and “flesh and blood”. Therefore when Messiah returns it will be flesh and blood, not the spiritual woo you seem to think it is. Very real. Very present. As real as me writing this now and you reading this now. Yeshua is a flesh and blood person. He is also God.
The bible is the word of God, not perfect in its translation by men, but good enough to understand what the original authors wrote when they received God’s word and wrote in man’s language.
If you have managed to get this far without outrage I would earnestly ask you, to ask yourself what is it exactly you are opposing? And, what do you think the outcome of your opposition might be?
I am arguing that no technology is inherently evil. What people do with technology might be evil, but it also might be really beneficial. Apathy is the problem. But it is apathy towards God that finds us at this point in this place.
I really struggle to believe that all people in the WEF for example, are in on a big evil plan. I actually think for the most part these people think they are doing good. Not good in a “serving Lucifer is good” sort of a way, but in a “I don’t really understand the ramifications of my actions and the only opposition appears to come from crackpots and conspiracy theorists” type of a way. That is not to say that I don’t think there is not a big evil plan. I just don’t think most people know what they are doing.
The real battle exists in our hearts, for this is where all men choose to do evil. A decision to do evil must be made in the heart of each man before he brings his action into the world.
Drawing up battle lines, which is what many people who post on this platform seem to advocate, will not change the mess we’re in. It will only create more division.
The path of least resistance is interesting, because I can tell you with absolute certainty that the path I’m on is the hardest path I’ve ever walked. I feel more resistance than on anything else I’ve ever done. It’s narrow, its really hard to stay on and it takes more courage than you could imagine. If you showed me what I have written here three years ago I would have laughed you out the room. I’ve had to eat a whole bakery full of humble pie and my journey has only just begun.
Sorry to come across as though I’m admonishing you. I recognise it is really hard to understand the truth in what I’m trying to put across. For most of my life I have resisted truth to try and make truth fit with my conception, rather than accept the truth for what it is.
I would also add that in all my years of railing against the system I have never felt more peace in recognising I do not need to have all the answers because God has a plan.
Oh I think I’ve been watered and popped off a load of mini-mes. Mogwai spawn!!
OK then, your god, your call. You’re a wee bit defensive but I expect nothing less from a religious zealot. Are you American by any chance? Either way, no judgement, I’m sure when we have a common enemy we’re all on the same side.
I’ve never been called a religious zealot before. I must be doing something right. No sorry I’m a Brit. I don’t mean to be defensive, just you gave me a platform and I took it. We all have a common enemy its just most people refuse to recognise it. Read the Bible, pray, build a relationship with God. As a former angry atheist I testify that it is worth it.
OK then. Respect. Each to their own. That wasn’t me that disliked your comment btw. I just feel that, putting all of our differences aside, we all, as a collective, have more power if we stick together and oppose the common enemy. Wherever we are coming from we surely all have the safety and welfare of our kids and the next generation at heart. It bothers me greatly what kind of world our kids are going to inherit, independent of religious persuasion.
I don’t think there is any ‘Messiah’ coming to save us personally. I think the Bible, which is written in a highly metaphorical way, is actually referring to that ability within all people to awaken to the god within, the higher self, call it what you will. All of us are imbued with spirit and all that spirit emanates from the same source. Whoever edited and manipulated the Bible did so to focus on just one man – Jesus – the son of God. Since then a mighty religion rose up and in his name went on to convert a large portion of the world’s people’s to that religion involving coercion, bullying, slavery, war, murder, genocide and so on. I don’t feel that Jesus would have approved. I feel he was a man who had already awakened to the truth of himself and in that way was ‘a son of God’. His words were taken out of context and his message lost because of so many factors but I feel that control of populations, unruly populations through the fear of God is a useful thing to have in your back pocket if you’re an Emperor or a King wanting to hold onto your throne. So, in my humble view, there is no one coming to save us. That’s just a story. We have to save ourselves and we do from within by realising the truth about ourselves.
I don’t think you have actually read the bible, and if you did you did not form a very comprehensive understanding of it. I’m not saying I have a holistic understanding, nowhere near.
You are right about religion though. One of the greatest sources of evil in the world today.
The problem with scripture is people bring their world view to the word, rather than reading and understanding the word to form a better worldview for themselves. I have found a very good place to start is Ariel.org. In my experience you do not come to the word, the word comes to you.
I went to chapel for ten years of my school life and was subjected to lots of bible reading in that time. For me, there is far too much theorising and philosophising about the meaning of the various passages in the bible and I understand well enough. If you can’t feel it in your heart, what’s the point? Spirit is not something that can be understood by mind, by one person’s opinion against another’s, by someone ‘telling you’ you don’t understand. By reading a book and meditating on it. It is way beyond that in my understanding. It is a heart thing, completely beyond the mind. I’ve often said that the word of God is not written in a book, it is written in your heart. I won’t be visiting Ariel.org or reading any more of the bible thanks. I have an understanding that is my own that I am comfortable with. Great truth is really very simple indeed and doesn’t need ‘over’ thinking about it. Religions would like you to think that only certain people are able to interpret tomes like the bible and access the invisible realms – this is where they get their power. I would say from my understanding that spirit doesn’t work like that. God, within and without, is available to all and always has been. One’s connection to god, or whatever you wish to call this, is a special, personal thing that can’t be ‘owned’ or ‘explained’ or ‘interpreted’ by anyone else. To do so, would be to give away your own power.
Right. You did all those things. But did you actually read it, for yourself because you wanted to. You never say.
You do seem to say that a lot of old dogma and doctrine was forced on you and because of that you would not consider reading the word with an open heart and an open mind. Separate the two things, they are distinct.
The truth of God is in your heart. On that we agree. I actually agree with almost all of your last four sentences.
If spirit can’t be understood by mind, how did you arrive at your conclusion? Surely that is a product of your mind.
I don’t really care for what so called “organised religions” say. I do think we should form our own understanding too. That understanding should be as full as possible so it helps if one has a teacher who can explain the context in which the thing you are trying to understand was written. Hence my suggestion regarding Ariel.org.
I do know how egotistical and superior that sounds in this context. In any other context my saying that you don’t exude a clear understanding I suspect you might take in your stride. For example if I was to make disparaging remarks about the entirety of the French language and tell you I knew French and demonstrated such by swinging some onions and shouting “Oo la la, e non e non”. You would rightly tell me I did not display a clear understanding of my subject.
But in this context and with the worldview that “It’s a personal choice” it does sound superior. It honestly is not intended to be but I cannot think of another way to say the same thing in language that would be acceptable to convey the same more palliatively.
Incidentally your comments also comes off as superior to me, because your default position is I am wrong and just trying to impose myself on you. I’m only sowing. I can only grow me, no one else. We are all peasants. We all fall well short of being priests.
My replies in bold:
Right. You did all those things. But did you actually read it, for yourself because you wanted to
No. It was expected of me. I didn’t ask to read it. It was foisted on me as in ‘hey, this is the truth, now read it.’
You do seem to say that a lot of old dogma and doctrine was forced on you and because of that you would not consider reading the word with an open heart and an open mind. Separate the two things, they are distinct.
Look this is not dismissive of you but I’m already there and aware of the heart/mind thing. I don’t NEED to read it and frankly why should I? You read it if you want and if it means something to you, that’s fine by me. Each to their own. That is YOUR right and YOUR set of beliefs not MINE.
Also, I didn’t say anything about dogma and doctrine being ‘forced on me’, you did. Read my words again.
The truth of God is in your heart. On that we agree. I actually agree with almost all of your last four sentences.
If spirit can’t be understood by mind, how did you arrive at your conclusion? Surely that is a product of your mind.
True understanding is not a mind thing. One has to let go of the idea that it is only the mind that does the understanding and look at the difference between heart and mind. The heart is not just a pump, it is the centre, the seat of the soul some say. It is able to understand far more than we tend to give it credit for. The mind is a tool, a highly useful tool but a tool nevertheless.
I don’t really care for what so called “organised religions” say. I do think we should form our own understanding too. That understanding should be as full as possible so it helps if one has a teacher who can explain the context in which the thing you are trying to understand was written. Hence my suggestion regarding Ariel.org.
Sorry but again I don’t feel I need someone to explain to me what I already understand in my personal connection to spirit. It is mine, not yours. Yours is yours and I would never question it. If you don’t understand it and need a teacher fine, that’s YOUR choice, however don’t expect others to do as you do just because it seems you are sort of projecting your own needs onto others.
I do know how egotistical and superior that sounds in this context. In any other context my saying that you don’t exude a clear understanding I suspect you might take in your stride. For example if I was to make disparaging remarks about the entirety of the French language and tell you I knew French and demonstrated such by swinging some onions and shouting “Oo la la, e non e non”. You would rightly tell me I did not display a clear understanding of my subject.
But in this context and with the worldview that “It’s a personal choice” it does sound superior. It honestly is not intended to be but I cannot think of another way to say the same thing in language that would be acceptable to convey the same more palliatively.
My comments about you sounding superior were in the context of you saying that (I quote your comment):
I don’t think you have actually read the bible, and if you did you did not form a very comprehensive understanding of it.
You assume an awful lot of knowledge about me from one post of mine in a rather sweeping judgement.
Incidentally your comments also comes off as superior to me, because your default position is I am wrong and just trying to impose myself on you. I’m only sowing. I can only grow me, no one else. We are all peasants. We all fall well short of being priests.
You choose to see my comments as superior. I haven’t said you are wrong at all apart from saying that I didn’t agree with your Messiah’s second coming and expressing my sincere views although not contradicting yours. If you see me speaking MY truth as superior then that is your problem, not mine. I haven’t judged you at all for what you say or believe. Again, read my words again and tell me exactly where I said you were wrong.
This ‘I am only sowing’ phrase though – what is that all about. ‘Sowing’ what? It sounds like something a missionary would say.
And finally, your phrase ‘We all fall well short of being priests’ – well what can I say? You defer to priests if you like, again your choice not mine. A priest stands between you and your personal connection to spirit, god, whatever you want to call this divinity. A priest already creates a hierarchy and look where that gets us. You can be your own priest and cut out the middleman!
Wow. That comes across as quite a visceral reaction. I think we should leave it there. I’m clearly not getting myself across very well and this is not the best way to communicate. Let’s agree to disagree. Sorry for any offence caused. Never my intention.
There is no animosity from me at all, I’m just standing my ground and expressing myself. I don’t feel offended and hope you don’t either. I thought we were just having an adult discussion about god, the bible etc. Anyway, as you say we can leave it there. Be well.
Actually, I am going to come back on this, against my better judgement.
Firstly, I asked if you had actually read the Bible because it didn’t seem as though you had a very good conception of it. You responded and told me about your early life, of being about, and within an organisation which professes to teach the word.
You later concede, no you have not read the Bible, it was foisted upon you. You never actually read it for yourself.
I asked the question because, like you I used to say very similar things about Bible and believe that Christendom and Christianity was the same thing as the Bible. Which it isn’t. Christian was used as a first century insult against a messianic Jewish sect. It wasn’t until I read it for myself that I realised what a wally I must have sounded to people who actually knew what they were talking about. Having read and understood it. That’s not to say I think you’re a wally.
Taking my French language example I am simply saying that any argument from a point of ignorance is not grounded in truth. I guess it comes down to whether you believe in an objective truth existing within the sea of opinions. I do. Most seem not to.
I didn’t say what I said to upset you or challenge you or attack you. I said it because you are expressing an opinion about something you don’t appear to have a very developed understanding of. Instead you are offering a lot of opinions about your experiential understanding. I’m talking about a book. Your talking about your feelings.
If you don’t want to read the Bible, don’t read the Bible. It makes not one jot of difference to my life. If you choose not to, fine, and if your choose to, fine also. I can’t get my best friend to pick up the book, or my wife for that matter. I am not stupid enough to invest my time and attention in trying to “convert” (whatever that means) strangers on an obscure corner of the internet.
I didn’t mean heart and mind being distinct. I meant separate the Word from the dogma’s and doctrines that use the Word to push their power base. The visible church (organised religion) is separate and distinct from the Bible, which IS the word of God.
I can only plant seeds not grow them, means that I can express the truth I have found but I cannot make others believe what I believe. You are barking up the wrong tree in asserting that is what I have been attempting to do.
I never said anything about following priests. For clarity I meant I do not think there are many worthy of taking such a role. I used the term you used. I have not advocated deferring to priests or vicars or bishops or druids or any other man in a silly hat and a long frock. I think you missed the point. It’s my fault for not being clear. Messaging in forum’s is a terrible way to get one’s point of view across.
You chose to reply to my comment. So you instigated this interaction. Not me.
How is saying you don’t think there will be a second coming of Messiah not contradicting my position? This is fine to do. I don’t mind. I like being challenged because it helps me find where I am not being intellectually and spiritually honest.
I never said anything about animosity. I do not want to upset you either. It does seem to be a visceral reaction. When I finally emerged from my spiritual catacombs and started asking myself some serious questions about my feelings towards all this stuff one of them was why did I reject the Word so strongly without properly understanding the subject I so freely condemned?
You do you brother. You do you. Love in Christ.
Mmm. I think you should have gone with your better judgement. Sounds as if I have touched a nerve since you seem quite defensive and feel a need to justify your views.
Look, I’m not going to spend any more time on this, certainly not my Saturday evening. I think you’ve completely misread me and also you make huge assumptions about my level of spiritual understanding and development without knowing me or my journey. You go on to say that I am talking from a place of ignorance about something that I do not know about. If you feel or think that, that’s OK, I can live with it and don’t feel any need to explain myself at all.
All the best.
I will pray for you. God bless you. Truth in Christ. Always!
I would add that you might read the bible for the next twenty years and still be no closer to an ‘understanding’ but then diminish what people like me say because clearly I have no comprehensive understanding of it. Can you see how egotistical and superior that sounds? Honestly, it’s as if we are back in the Middle Ages and you’re a priest telling me, a peasant, I can’t understand the scriptures. If you are unable to self-reflect on your own words, then I am sorry to say you have already fallen at the first hurdle.
James Roguski has been covering the huge over reach of the WHO for a while now. He has written extensively on the secrecy & subterfuge which is going on to keep the masses from being aware. His substack is a useful resource on the WHO. What do you expect from an organisation which is headed by a war criminal who is wanted for terrorism??
https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/right-now-would-be-a-very-good-time
The evil bit is the statement about the next pandemic when we – thanks to vaccine assports and other digital surveillance technology – will only need to lock down the unvaccinated to Stop The Spread[tm]. And these are the same people who then turn round and start to patronize so-called rogue states like Iran about universal human rights — see, everybody’s got universal human rights, that’s why they’re called universal!, just not the people we govern. That would be far to dangerous for public health.
Liberal democracy at work.
Didn’t the previous vaccines minister Maggie Throup – she took over from Nadhim Zahawi – recently confirm that work was ongoing on vaccine certification and passports?
“facilitate seamless international travel”? Beyond a passport and perhaps a visa, it’s called govt getting out of the way and airlines/ferries properly providing their services. As free people, we will not be ‘validated’ as if we are cattle to the market.
They forgot to say to be monitored by the UK’s very own Keystone Cops
Very interesting background article on China in German, e.g.: 1.3% of GDP is now Covid testing!
The author thinks it’s really all done to prevent unrest when the various economic bubbles burst, first and foremost real estate. https://www.achgut.com/artikel/china_und_corona_ueberwachungsstaat_im_letzten_gefecht