Why Are Sweden and India Not Seeing a Covid Surge?

Why are some countries surging this autumn but others aren't? India had a big Delta surge but has seen no new rise since, while the impact of Delta on Sweden has been very modest. Why is that?

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Why are some countries surging this autumn but others aren’t, at least not yet? Much of Europe is now seeing sharp rises in reported infections. In some it appears to be a delayed Delta surge, but in others like France, Netherlands, Norway and Finland it comes after an earlier summer Delta ripple that looked like it had gone away. Yet India, which had (quite literally) the mother of Delta surges, has not seen any new rise despite only 29% of its population being double-vaccinated, and despite the festivals of Diwali and Durga Puja, widely warned about as a transmission risk, taking place in the autumn.

Sweden, meanwhile, has somehow so far managed to avoid Delta surges altogether, after being hit relatively hard in spring 2020 and winter 2020-21. The country famously imposed only light restrictions (no stay-at-home orders, school or business closures or mask mandates at any point). Similarly, few restrictions were imposed in India in 2021, and there is also doubt about how far Indian citizens have followed any restrictions that were brought in; in any case, high population antibody rates were subsequently reported. Are India and Sweden benefitting from a more robust immunity owing to greater exposure prior to this autumn? What happens this winter will help to clarify this question.

The U.K. meanwhile is experiencing a strangely drawn-out Delta epidemic. Beginning in June, it has now been simmering away at around about the same level for five months, neither exploding as the models predicted, nor dropping off again back to low levels, as earlier waves have done.

Why is the U.K.’s Delta epidemic so long, drawn-out and relatively flat, unlike the outbreaks in say India, Florida and Texas? The answer appears to be that it has consisted of a series of waves occurring one after another in different age groups.

Initially, the surge in June and July occurred in all age groups. Note that the sharp drop in raw cases in mid-July was largely an artefact of reduced testing as schools broke up for the summer, though infections certainly did not continue to increase at that point.

Then came an extra bump among students and young adults. Was this driven by summer festivals? The subsequent bump in 40-59 year-olds may have been their parents.

Then it was the turn of under-20s, and especially secondary school children (aged 11-16), getting up to a massive 9% prevalence in mid-October before coming down again fast. Their parents (age 35-49) may also have been affected. More recently there seems to have been a rise in all under-60s, possibly owing to the onset of winter.

Being frank, I didn’t expect this five-month long, demographically-staggered wave, and I’m not sure why it’s happened here and not so much elsewhere. Did we reopen more than other countries in the summer, triggering an earlier Delta surge, but not resume normal interaction enough for it to be a traditional big wave, like in India and the southern United States? How much do restrictions and behaviour changes affect transmission anyway when most studies suggest they make at most only modest impact? I’ve also been surprised by how many secondary school children caught it in this wave, given it had already gone through the country twice. How did they avoid exposure in both spring 2020 and autumn and winter 2020-21? Perhaps they were more susceptible this time round. But it’s still pretty baffling.

As I noted in a previous post, SAGE is now predicting the epidemic will decline during the winter, which would be most unusual. I would expect instead a modest surge, as usually happens in December. Either way, though, this is clearly a virus in an endemic state, and the Government should stop treating it as a special threat and de-escalate their response as soon as possible.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

Because they did not drink the koolaid

Misty Optic
Misty Optic
4 years ago

India’s most populous state, Uttar Pradesh, 70% that of the USA, began handing out a cheap kit including Ivermectin and, what a surprise NOT!, the ‘virus’ has all but gone. Elsewhere in India they followed the narrative and still have it.

Japan found contaminants in some ‘vaccines’, ceased jabbing and began using Ivermectin. Same again; for them the ‘virus’ is melting away. New ‘cases are flat-lining’; latest worldometer shows 77 new cases and just ONE new death. And their population is about double that of the UK.

Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
4 years ago

While it’s good news to see that both India and Sweden are doing well when it comes to infections,I can’t help wondering the reason India is doing better is because they use Ivermectin.
Yesterday I commented that Japan began to prescribe Ivermectin in mid-August and now there’s virtually no covid. Mind you Japan’s vaccination rate is high while India is low and we know vaccination doesn’t prevent infections only severity of illness so vaccines are only having a minor effect if any. What India and Sweden do show is as we’ve always said lockdown only suppressed covid not stopped it. We should have stuck to our pandemic plans and allow society to function as normal.

juliakurzeja
juliakurzeja
4 years ago

This article should have built in a comparison of the levels of testing in these populations. Without this the raw numbers are almost meaningless (IMHO)

barrywinn
barrywinn
4 years ago

In the case of India I would say..Ivermectin! Just like it has had the same results in Japan.

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago

A cynic might note that the statistical output is self promoting, in as much as the testing regime probably varies due to seasonal patterns – like school summer holidays and so on.

Less government
Less government
4 years ago

India had Ivermectin.
Now it has a good chunk of the population with excellent natural immunity.
In the UK, the virus follows the vaccinated. Draw your own conclusions but this may help:
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/25/pandemic-of-fully-vaccinated-89-percent-covid-deaths-vaccinated/

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

While the MSM condemns the use of ivermectin, the most populated state in India just declared they are officially COVID free after promoting widespread use of the safe, proven medicine. In addition to this, Ivermectin attaches to covid spikes and prevents them from binding to ACE2. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com

Backlash
Backlash
4 years ago

Because they let it go instead of trying to fasten everyone up?

Phil_in_Bath
Phil_in_Bath
4 years ago

Your first chart shows the percentage of positive tests for India and Sweden, which is useful.

Your second chart (the one the newspapers love to show), is the number of positive tests for the UK, which is not.

The number of positive tests (i.e. “cases”) is at least partly dependent on how many tests are carried out. By this measure, here in the UK, we are experiencing a Covid wave equal to or greater than the one back in January.

An inflated number of cases can also increase apparent vaccine effectiveness. The relatively low number of hospitalizations and deaths compared to last winter is attributed to the vaccines breaking the link between cases and severe outcomes.

The percentage of positive tests for the UK paints a much less scary picture of where we are right now. Which, presumably, is why it is never publicized.

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil_in_Bath

Indeed.
The Graph They Never Show.

Interestingly, the WHO specified 5% as the threshold below which a pandemic is deemed “under control”. Look how long our share of positive tests has been under 5% now.

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FarligGods
FarligGods
4 years ago

Because of natural immunity, not “vax” nonsense

RickH
RickH
4 years ago

Sorry. I can’t tolerate this amount of inaccuracy, even if well meant. I (like others here) fight every day in conversations to put over the foundational myth of ‘Covid’ – that it is wildly exaggerated :

“India, which had (quite literally) the mother of Delta surges”

My recollection is that India has never had a mortality rate above the world average – always lower than the majority of Europe. The ‘Indian’ so-called ‘surge’ was patently a propaganda initiative built out of an uptick.

The irrelevance of masticating bogus data on ‘cases” also needs a firm grip, instead of the wide-eyed innocence of a novitiate to the Narrative cult. The results of testing always needs much more critical examination, even if we accept that there may be some loose-coupled relationship with actual disease.

… but once again, we have graphs of ‘cases’ – largely unqualified.

We also have ‘estimates’ – i.e. modelling data – being given undue prominence.

The following is a massive bloomer :

“The U.K. meanwhile is experiencing a strangely drawn-out Delta epidemic.”

NO. There has never been an ‘epidemic’, any more than a ‘pandemic’ except by the distortion of language to an extent that makes it fictional. Just… Read more »

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

very well said

karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

This does get on topic.
You will remember the embarrassment when Hancock and SAGE were obliged to stop using statistics which included anyone who ever had Covid and subsequently died were automatically shown as Covid deaths rather than falling under a bus deaths.
UK’s total dead covids suddenly went down from 60k to 40k overnight.

India took Uks place in the highest Covid deaths league but what the BBC picked up on and shouted about was
‘India now has third highest Covid fatalities in the World, 50,000 !’
Never a mention of Indias population exceeding 1billion.
.

Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago

Mass vaccination across all age groups during a pandemic has never been done before. We have no clue what the end result might be. It’s clear that vaccinees with sub-optimal immunity (i.e. antibodies not fully matured) have been exposed to the virus.

Sweden – could have developed more natural (broad-based) immunity before the vaccination rollout.

India – early intervention treatment of those testing positive for Sars-Cov-2.

caipirinha17
caipirinha17
4 years ago

Of course, it’s not actually possible for regular people to interrogate the testing process starting from specification and manufacture. I think it entirely possible that the tests or the testing process are being manipulated to secure particular outcomes either in age groups or geographical areas. Equally there is no way to verify the numbers reported by the govt. Always think it’s funny that the National Lottery people have to make a big deal about the draw equipment being ‘independently verified’ but when it comes to the big bad lurgy anything goes.

Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago

Who knows why random populations are seeing/not seeing this, that or the other happening. Why not ask the chaps in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, or Anthony Fauci, who used US taxpayers’ money to pay for their work?

I bet their record-keeping is diligent.

tony rattray
tony rattray
4 years ago

God help me, its called the onset of WINTER for europe! UK with also have a rise, but probably flatter due to opening up in july (sweden from the start). Nature, not human stupidity (the mantra of public health) rules. Vaccinate the vulnerable (if they consent), redesign the holy mess that is called the nhs and get on with life. Oh, don’t move to austria due to the current and future riots. Blah, blah, blah!

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

“Why Are Sweden and India Not Seeing a Covid Surge”
On this wider question I think the short answer is:

  1. Sweden allowed the virus to circulate more due to its relatively relaxed approach to lockdown type measures, meaning it achieved herd immunity earlier than us
  2. India, probably due to the impossibility of lockdowns in a country with many large cities with dense populations, poverty and a rudimentary health service, probably achieved something similar by accident
  3. India, in a number of states, notably Uttar Pradesh, its largest state, used ivermectin as a prophylactic and treatment. Everywhere this has been done coronavirus has been stamped out very quickly.
A Sceptic
A Sceptic
4 years ago

It’s not baffling at all, it largely follows the vaccines which have been given at different times in different age groups. Most of the people I know with covid since spring (a lot more people than last year) have been double jabbed.

Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
4 years ago
Reply to  A Sceptic

Exactly how I read it. Took a lot of reading in the comments to find someone post it 😉

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

In Sweden, if you look at their testing, they are testing significantly fewer people than in the UK, but their rate of positive tests is similar to ours. So perhaps they are wasting less time and money doing routine testing of people with no symptoms.

Aside from reducing the number of false positives they find, having a much smaller “cases” number reduces the screeching from the media and the health service that Something Must Be Done.

An approach we would do well to adopt.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

And if you look at their numbers for patients in ICU and deaths, very similar pattern to ours, albeit with lower numbers, although they had a bit of a double peak in ICU occupancy.

So by intervening less, they had a better outcome in health terms, and also significantly less collateral damage in terms of their economy and wider public health.

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T-Centralen
T-Centralen
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

This was indeed the plan here. They had essentially advised anyone who was fully vaccinated to stop testing themselves even if they had symptoms. However out of nowhere they pivoted recently and abandoned that directive. Indeed now a covidbevis (vaccine passport) will be required for cinemas, nightclubs from next week. With a new PM sworn in this morning and Tegnell reaching retirement age before too long we have to hope Sweden doesn’t go further in the wrong direction.

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  T-Centralen

Interesting.
Notice how in all of the countries which are taking a more draconian approach to COVID in recent times, there has been either a recent change in PM, or we have a temporary/non-functioning government?
Italy: Technocrat was appointed
Austria: Kurz was kicked out due to “corruption”
Germany: Merkel was kicked out but is still the “caretaker”
Netherlands: Coalition discussions continue for months, old PM still “caretaker”
Biden: Appointed as President due to electoral fraud. Trying to be draconian but not succeeding much due to the federal structure there…
Sweden: Not sure of the background but I’m guessing there is no election imminent…

T-Centralen
T-Centralen
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

There is a general election in autumn next year. Although it is widely considered that crime/immigration are bigger electoral issues currently than covid here.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  T-Centralen

crimigration is a great portmanteau

low productivity migration is a massive economic harm.

T-Centralen
T-Centralen
4 years ago

It’s all quite complicated. I’m a Brit living in Sweden rather than a native so cannot claim to be an expert.

But as an observation – the native Swedes are very trusting in their government ; for example see the high vaccine take up despite the prior issues with the pandremix H5N1 vaccine in Scandinavia.

The first and second generation immigrants are (quite naturally) a lot less trusting in authority. So many of the unvaccinated here likely fall into these groups.

Therefore you now have a situation reversed to many other countries where the right wing party (Sweden Democrats) are actively supporting the vaccine passports and the only party to vociferously reject the idea is the Left party.

My hunch is that quite a few Swedes believe that the vaccine pass will force some of the immigrants to conform more to Swedish norms. Of course in reality it will only drive the segregation further.

For now business owners affected by the new rules have the option to not use the pass but will instead have to follow other distancing regulations etc.

The worry is that if the authorities have introduced the covidbevis now whilst cases… Read more »

Chris_uk
Chris_uk
4 years ago

In Japan, “cases” fell off a cliff at the end of August and are now virtually zero. Dr. John Campbell does a brilliant job of explaining why this really happened (Ivermectin), while padding out the video with all kinds of other theories in order not to get banned from YouTube.

Miracle in Japan

Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Yeah – JC has engaged in a balancing act over the past few months. He’s been ‘dropping hints’ about various issues while not straying to far from the mainstream narrative.

He’s a decent bloke who goes where the data takes him. But he also knows the risks

zners
zners
4 years ago

ohhh we all remember the “India Variant” hype that suddenly just faded. The reason why India is not among the media’s frenzy is because many of it’s states are being prescribed Ivermectin.

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

I note that Will didn’t mention this above the line but no doubt he knows this is the truth and is happy for us to fill in the gaps below the line, giving him plausible deniability if he gets into any trouble with the boss.

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Probably rude of me to ask you as I can take some time out to check it myself but those graphs you posted of the daily cases/hospitalization between Germany and the UK were really useful. Can you show what the picture looks like in the Czech Rep and Slovakia? Would really appreciate it.

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

Here you are. Sorry about the mobile format, I am out and about smiling broadly at mask wearers.

You can peruse the data yourself here.

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zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

thanks! Useful website! Noticed the FT had similar charts but had conveniently zoomed right in to show the data from October this year

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

I thought everyone in India had died. Some survived then?

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Agenda politics appears to have played a massive part in this, and along with Sweden and India, there are many places who seem to have decided not to take part in the agenda.

Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago

There may ultimately be another shared causality found, but really, so far every time I see one of these articles almost everyone featured is unhealthily overweight. We aren’t presented with comparable flu stats for a year (taking young lives) nor vaccine deaths so it could just be completely misleading even then and nothing out of the ordinary at all, apart from the medias obsession.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10237333/Mother-three-27-dies-Covid-constantly-putting-jab-busy.html

JOpenmind
JOpenmind
4 years ago

Will,
Lots of comments re why be so concerned about the dodgy PCR test and rightly so. But just a thought, what if the colds people started to catch this autumn (our kids got it and us parents) interfered with the PCR test at 40 cycles? Ie increased ‘infections’!
Having never had any tests cannot comment much on testing. Maybe worth considering?
Also could the rising cases be attributed to vaccination as these were rolled out by age group?
Julian

miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  JOpenmind

Interesting. Just asked the wife who is a biologist, has worked in immunology. She speculates that if the mRNA vaccines cause the spike protein to shed (to leave the body) via the respiratory system, then the tests might well spot it.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Also ask her about this
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/06/210611174037.htm

Discovery identifies a highly efficient human reverse transcriptase that can write RNA sequences into DNA

JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

Testing is basically only required in schools here, a big difference towards European countries, driving up those age groups numbers and share of the total. The summer wave amongst them was natural infection due to Delta with a 3x higher R than that of prior variants. The autumn and current ones rhyme with the vaccination rollout, the window where they are more susceptible to infection. Both were and are likely also egged on by the festivals etc., or the desire to attend them without so much hassle. Big mistake, of course.

Star
Star
4 years ago

@Will – Yes it is strange indeed. The graph of deaths in Russia is even further from the Swedish and Indian ones than the British one is – both for deaths reported to have been “with Covid” and deaths overall. The population of Russia has fallen by 1 million in the past year.

These huge disparities have f***-all to do with differences between countries in behaviour, vaccination rates, or restrictions. Every commentator wants to be a “scientist” now. This is a trap.

Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago

Lets be honest, it didn’t require any intervention for anyone under 60.

If you saw people getting really sick and dying you would have isolated yourself somewhat and if you saw nothing of the sort you would have taken your risks accordingly.

nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago

Any data based on dodgy tests is of no value. You will get an uplift in positive tests in December, just as happened last July, as people on both sides of the school desk scam the tests for 2 weeks extra off school. That school children are still mass tested highlights the inadequacy of the current government.

cloughy
cloughy
4 years ago

I used to believe it actually existed and went away but not anymore.

Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10233103/Do-Covid-test-Christmas-shopping-Government-issues-new-advice-lateral-flow-test.html

Nothing says “the drugs don’t work” more than “take a lateral flow test before you head out shopping/to a party”

There will probably be people who will do this however without any critical thinking. If they “test” positive and are forced to isolate, they will see themselves as virtuous rather than gullible.

Like most government actions, the implications just have not been considered. Is there someone on work experience churning out these ideas?

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

It’s all designed to reinforce the sense of threat which the True Believers feel regarding the ‘deadly virus’ – those of us on here can see it for the ridiculous performance that it is!

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