I’ve written a comment piece for Mail+ about the failure of vaccine passports and other restrictions on the unvaccinated to avert a Winter Covid crisis in Europe. The logic of the policy seems to be based on a wildly inflated estimate of the effectiveness of the vaccines – but instead of abandoning it when it clearly isn’t working, European governments just keep doubling down. Here is an extract:
In spite of the overwhelming evidence that vaccine passports are ineffective, a majority of the public still want the Government to bring them in. In a poll published yesterday, 58% of English adults said they’d support banning people from bars, restaurants and other public venues if they can’t produce evidence they’ve been double-jabbed or recently tested negative.
The reason for this may be because most people still think of the Covid vaccines as being more effective than they really are. When they were first rolled out, we were assured they offered almost complete protection against the virus.
“You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations,” said Joe Biden.
“Vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick,” said Dr Rochelle Walensky, a Director of the Centres for Disease Control.
“When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected,” said Dr Anthony Fauci.
We now know that isn’t true. Vaccinated people can still catch COVID-19 and pass it on. The evidence suggests they are less likely to become severely ill or die for the disease, but even those benefits wear off over time, which is why the Government is urging people to get the booster.
If vaccinated people can transmit the virus, what is the point of banning the unvaccinated from bars, restaurants and other public places? You might as well ban people with ginger hair for all the good it will do.
Worth reading in full.
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The Bolshevik war against the ‘unvaccinated’ is becoming more sinister by the day, yet most people don’t care as it doesn’t affect them. The media propaganda outlets ramp the hatred up yet no one calls it out, including this site.
Not quite sure why the jabbed are so smug, once they have finished us off, they will find the next group to turn on. The ram raiding of a Christmas parade (for racial reasons) completely ignored by the MSM, shows what group the media will turn on next – and good riddance to them because they have turned on us.
Currently, according to the Government, the vast majority of people being admitted to hospital with/of Covid, and dying of said Covid……..are over 65. Within that cohort it’s worse in the over 75s, and within that cohort it’s worse in the over 85s. I suspect the vast majority of these have been vaccinated.
So is the vaccine effective at all, I can’t say for sure but it’s not saving the very people who it should is it?
Under the age of 65 you have a very, very, small chance of being very Ill or dying from Covid, obviously the odds get better the younger you are, so vaccine efficacy is a bit irrelevant in this age group surely, and just muddies the water in relation to the ones who are at high risk and who still seem to be dying vax or no vax.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals#hospital-admissions-by-age
It is of greater concern that scientists are remaining silent. Niemöller warned of the price of silence :and how terrifying that at the anniversary of Kristallnacht in 1938 which saw a subset of the population blamed for the ills of society in that same part of the world (Austria/Germany) history is repeating itself with the vilification of the unvaccinated. If you have had Covid19: what kind of scientific nonsense leads scientists to demand that person has an mRNA vaccine? How many doses 1,2,3 or more? Of course it is stupid to demand vaccination in this group.
It is the silence of the science to argue against political rhetoric of masks, lockdowns and universal vaccination without antibody testing,which is of greater concern.
Perhaps at Christmas we should await the arrival of 3 Wise men but there is no sign of them yet?
A lot of people have talked about arranging meet-ups with other sceptics and here is the ideal opportunity and at the governments expense too!
I’ll see you in the exercise yard (if there is one).
PS anyone got any experience of tunnelling or stunt motorbike riding?
documentary about Great Escape on telly tonight – might be worth watching for tips.
Don’t expect an exercise yard Old Bill – peloton bike in cell might be more the thing these days
Efficacy of the “vaccine” in reducing serious illness and death has to be proven. It will take alot to convince me at this stage with the barrage of lies we’ve been subjected to…
Indeed. I had a slightly more cheerful encounter yesterday – speaking to a practice nurse on the ‘phone, I was asked about ‘vaccine status’, an whether I wanted one :
“No. Wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole – I’ve done the numbers”
O.K. – I’ll just note it so you won’t be asked again. It’s a matter of personal choice”
Goodness – lucky you!
Spoke to a friend yesterday – double jabbed, just completing 10 days isolation having got Covid, wasn’t very poorly she said, just like having a cold. Her main concern was that it meant, on medical advice, she has to delay getting her booster.
There’s no getting through to these people.
If you have a negative lateral flow test the chance that you are infectious is close to zero. Vaccination status does not determine whether you have the virus, transmissible or otherwise, so is irrelevant. I see much sense in having a lateral flow test passport, which you have if you enter your test result on the NHS app. Of course people will cheat whatever you try and make them do.
Trouble is, the tests are integral to the tyranny.
It’s already begun in Australia.
Aboriginal people are being rounded up for camps. Yet most citizens still wear their suppression rags and ‘rationalise’…
It’s a Rubicon.
On one bank are Mengele and fascism.
On the other is (with all its imperfections) the democratic heritage.
No ‘if’s’ no ‘but’s’
Choose your bank, and know that those who accede to evil are evil.
While the MSM condemns the use of ivermectin, the most populated state in India just declared they are officially COVID free after promoting widespread use of the safe, proven medicine. In addition to this, Ivermectin attaches to covid spikes and prevents them from binding to ACE2. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
Good effort and correct on tbe overestimation/underinformation ofvthe vaxxed.
But in truth, the reality is much simpler and darker:
Mass psychology meets identity politics, kling empathy and reason among the majority of the vaxxed.
The only question now left is: will it culminate in mass murder committed by them or not?
Thanks for all your efforts, Toby. Not only do your writings reach a significant audience at publications like The Mail, you created this site, which now reaches millions of people around the world every week.
Plus, all of us who make comments in the Comments Section get to reach a lot of people. So all of the links we have provided reach more people than they would have otherwise.
I think the best and easiest thing any of us can do to fight this madness is to steer more friends and acquaintances to The Daily Skeptic.
Europe is not one country. News from today The Basque High Court does not authorize nightlife venues and restaurants to allow for customers to show proof of vaccination. ie No passports to be used. The court said that this measure would limit fundamental rights of the segment of the population that is most immunized, since 90% of those over 12 years of age have been vaccinated in Spain. The Basque Government has confirmed that it will no longer use passports.Some other regions do use the passport in various way
News in Spanish may need to use a translator.
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2021-11-22/la-justicia-del-pais-vasco-rechaza-el-uso-del-pasaporte-covid-como-pedia-el-gobierno.html
It’s worse. Data is starting to emerge that excess mortality is on the rise in the vaccinated under 60’s.
If that is correct it means that overall the vaccine is killing some people that would’ve survived COVID. As for jabbing healthy children who are at zero risk from COVID, I can find no other words than evil on a par with Josef Mengele.
Source?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
From the reddit group
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSceptics/comments/qz96gf/todays_comments_20211122/
Peter McCullough on Telegram:
Pushback Against Unnecessary, Ill-Advised, and Unlawful Mandates of Investigational Vaccines
Since the wave of public and private entity COVID-19 vaccine mandates this summer, there has been progressively stiffer resistance from a public that knows the mandates are unethical, immoral, and from a civil perspective—illegal. Because none of the COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, JNJ) are FDA approved or commercially sold by vaccine manufacturers to the public, Americans know the consent forms indicate vaccination can only be voluntary and that the vaccine products do not have proven safety or efficacy.
Thus, the consent forms by themselves are a clear indicator that no entity can “mandate” participation in a clinical investigation or research. Rates of COVID-19 vaccination plummeted in April of 2021 when word got out that Americans were dying and becoming injured after the injection in large numbers. Analyses from Rose and McLachlan using the CDC VAERS system indicated that 50% of the deaths occurred within 48 hours, 80% within a week, and 86% of the time, there was no other explanation other than the vaccine must have triggered the death.
From that point forward, there was a series of perverted efforts to… Read more »
Link broken….
Extract from a letter sent to the NZ Medical Council from a retired Doctor in Tauranga.
“… the still birth rate has rocketed. Usually there are 114 still births per year for the entire country but in just two weeks Hastings alone had 9 still births in vaccinated mothers who were following your advice to get the vaccine. You are responsible for the death of those babies. You have blood on your hands. I suppose you are also in denial regarding the deaths of teenagers.
We have 2 siblings dead after the vaxathon in Christchurch – a girl aged 15 and a boy aged 17. Plus a 17 year old boy in Northland and a 13 year old in the South Island – both dead the day after their vaccination -and a 14 year old boy in South Auckland who died 2 hours after his vaccination. Also the 17 year old girl whose death should have stopped the roll out but was instead blamed, prior to any autopsy report, on the pill – which she had been prescribed some time prior so therefore the GP would have checked for clotting risk factors at that point in time.
I know a… Read more »
“(T)he evidence suggests (the vaccinated) are less likely to become severely ill or die for the disease”
I disagree with that statement. But how does that alleged benefit of vaccination compare with the benefit of a vegetarian diet, for example? (Many other behaviours that are good for the immune system could be mentioned too.) According to this study published in the BMJ, vegetarians and pescetarians “had 73% (…) and 59% (…) lower odds of moderate-to-severe COVID-19 severity, respectively, compared with participants who did not follow these diets.”
Strangely that study has never been mentioned from behind a lectern in Number 10 or on the front page of the Heil.
Can someone here read German? If so, please look at this site. I’m told it’s somewhere that lets people in several countries register for a clinical study that “allows” you “medically” to avoid vaccination – and it’s free and you can withdraw from it at any time. (If this is a scam, don’t blame me. That’s what I’m trying to find out.) The countries don’t appear to include Britain at this time, but they include Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands.
https://www.ungeimpft-gesund.info/?l=1
This looks genuine to me (I’m German). But it’s just about an observational study about the general life and wellbeing of people who chose to remain unvaccinated (as far as I can tell by a quick look). There’s a so-called Eingetragener Verein (registered, private society/ club) behind this and the bylaws state they plan to operate world wide.
I think this falls some way short of an officially-approved exemption of the kind that would be accepted as a substitute for a vaxxpass, for example.
That said, it’s always worth asking anyone who is keen on the jabs, and who is aware that they are still in trial until 2023, how big the control group is, how it’s being managed etc. One of the oddities about these drugs is that, whereas most clinical trials in Stage 3 involve close personal contact, follow-up and monitoring with trial subjects, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of that going on right now…
The NHS website says that any treatment in Stage 3 trials is “compared against an existing treatment or a placebo to see if it’s better in practice and if it has important side effects”.
Is anyone here aware of the drug companies collating this data other than through their customer’s (i.e. the government’s) own statistical reports?
Does anyone know what the existing treatment or placebo is that is being used as a comparator?
I’ll take a closer look when I come back from the dentist today. There doesn’t seem anyone from the UK registered yet but I will try.
and if it does seem kocher how does a non-german speaking person access and navigate their way around what is being offered?
Religious faith? Ha! I’ll take Aquinas over Whitty any day of the week.
And then St. Maximilian Kolbe…
There are so many of us that they haven’t got space in the prisons – they will have to put us in camps run by the army. And they’ll have to put tanks on the streets to cover their goons when they’re out searching house to house looking for us.
An Austrian nurse friend reports that the authorities in Austria are threatening to fine people about 1500 euros for not taking the “booster”, to fine them up to 3600 euros for refusal to vaccinate, and to jail them if they repeatedly refuse vaccination “requests”. She is optimistic. She writes that if the government stays on this path “they will just make both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated angry” and “if things continue like this there will be a general strike” and, if it comes to it, a war.
It was invigorating and a pleasure to read her message.
Huge respect to all Austrian people who are resisting fascism in Hitler’s birth country. WE LOVE YOU!
Totally agree well done to them all this weekend. Loved the scenes out of Rome, just wow
I’m watching what happens in two countries – Austria and Australia.
Will the people in both countries take what’s happening or not?
“Winter Covid crisis” Lol. There was never a covid crisis. The only crisis related to covid was caused by evil governments and their lackeys and hangers-on.
“The Religious Faith of European leaders in Vaccines” Oh for goodness’ sake give it a rest. They don’t give a toss about covid or the vaccines.
Spot on.
I see no signs whatsoever of any kind of crisis – covid or otherwise. I see a lot of people trying to get on with their normal lives – no one is dropping dead in the streets – but for some obscure reason the health minister wants everyone, jabbed and unjabbed alike it seem now. to be locked up in their own homes.
”You might as well ban people with ginger hair for all the good it will do.” steady on, do not give them any more ideas, it is bad enough as it is!
This is now like a huge ponzi scheme; as the adverse reactions and the evidence of ineffectiveness pile up, they up the ante more and more. Eventually they will either get away with the biggest, most evil and malevolent scam of all time or the whole house of cards will come crashing down. I would like to think the latter option will come true but I would have to say that at the moment I am not optimistic on that one.
I think it’s more likely that European leaders will end up being imprisoned by the families of those lost to vaccine injuries when the truth comes out. And that’s if the European leaders are lucky.
The same families who did nothing when their elderly relatives were murdered by starvation, dehydration, neglect, and a large dose of Midazolam in the don’t-care-homes?
Yes. Them. When they realise what happened.
This so-called bloody illness is no worse than seasonal ‘flu and we here should always bear that in mind.
Have we ever mounted a propoganda campaign of such nastiness ever before?
So, we must always remember that what us taking place has bugger all to do with public health.
Governments worldwide are waging war on their populations and for two aims:
Depopulation and enslavement of those remaining. I don’t believe any of us can imagine the depths of depravity the Carney’s, Fauci’s, Sorros, Gates’, Johnson, Andrews, Schwab and all the others will plumb to attain their evil and macabre ends.
We are in a fight to the death.
The reason I have chosen to not get my booster is precisely because it’s likely the vaccines are causing reduced immune responses. When you add to that the limited duration of the vaccines, the use of vaccines for any but the most at risk has become not just a weird religious view but dangerous. Focusing on successful treatments is what is needed. And then a reminder that age-adjusted mortality is essentially normative in history. We don’t want anyone to die, but sadly, death will find us all.
lets hope the first 2 haven’t already defined your future….
If you don’t take your booster like a Good Citizen, you’ll have 10 days self-quarantine every time you come back to the UK, with Serco and Mitie checking up on you.
when we get bogged down in the blah blah we will never get to the route of the problem, an the problem likes it that way
Well let’s get rid of those making these Covid rules. That, to me, would stop all this in an instant.
Fact is, if the rules stay, it’s 10 days quarantine for any ‘unvaccinated’ person arriving to the UK. I have heard no tales of people who have broken this quarantine, but I have read tales where Mitie marshalls do come round to see if you’re where you’re supposed to be.
I can assure you, plenty of surveys have shown a majority don’t keep the quarantine. My lived experience would show this to be true.
Though I think a lot of people like the excuse to “W”FH for a bit.
I know people who’ve broken it, no checks at all, though admittedly that was last year.
Whoever it was some one phoned me when I arrived in the Uk where I was supposed to self isolate. Changed my sim card and nothing after that.
Needless to say I didn’t ‘self-isolate’ and that was June of this year.
That’s OK. I think there will be enough booster refusers + everything refusers to outnumber the Mitie numpties on minimum wage. What do they do when you don’t open the door? shamble off again. If anyone asks, you just say you were indisposed and unable to come to the door.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8546144/
If a fellow medic asks you.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study
Especially when this asthma drug works so well! (better than the clot shots).
Another DS commentator posted this link on another thread, but it appears to have been shrouded with Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak.
Covid internment has started in Australia. Shocking.
https://youtu.be/kqu7pd07Y_k
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-howard-springs-nt-quarantine-camp-to-house-5000-returned-aussies/43e91a2d-b3e4-4469-b2c2-01f9e97ffb28
It’s one of the big stories at Zero Hedge.
This is real. Not a movie.
The evidence suggests they are less likely to become severely ill or die for the disease, but even those benefits wear off over time, which is why the Government is urging people to get the booster.
that much , at least , is quite true.
If vaccinated people can transmit the virus, what is the point of banning the unvaccinated from bars, restaurants and other public places?
In Germany and e.g. Wales, this is a case of pour encourager les autres, or um die andere ermutigen, for better or worse that is the object.
wear off over time
Worse they become liabilities.
Your opening statement above is UNPROVEN. It is in fact probably not provable.
Some anonymous geezer in the Guardian today says ICU is full of the unvaccinated – my patience with them is wearing thin.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin
Isn’t it remarkable how the most pro-bedwetter elements of the MSM can always find someone whose own “personal experience” is completely at odds with what the actual stats show?!
Not even any pretence of truth anymore. Nothing more than propagandists. The journo’s will need to be tried alongside the MP’s and advisors.
the guardian and their ilk are explained here…
control the media – control the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcCQVkpWMcE
I’m sorry but that’s horseshit and it’s easy to see why: The basic claim is that vaccination changed COVID from a serious disease for the old and frail to one predominantly affecting healthy, relatively younger people. It’s not only that we had this particular piece of BS in ad nauseam repetition at evey turn of COVID since March 2020, it’s also not possible right now: This would also have happened before COVID vaccines were available and then, the known death profile (roughly in line with naturally occuring deaths) of the disease had been different.
Apart from that, someone who works as consultant for the NHS who makes a statement to the effect of I’m getting seriously pissed off with the sick people I’m getting paid to treat! urgently needs to be kicked out of his or her position to avoid the next bunch of sensational headlines of health workers killing patients because they were disgusted by them. Wouldn’t be the first time.
I know, can you imagine? Would we under any circumstances tolerate a consultant saying “Ugh these disgusting fat people with their type 2 diabetes and malodorous foot ulcers. I am losing patience with them. I am seriously pissed off. Why don’t they just say no to the pie?”
No we would not. It would be beyond unprofessional (not to mention biting the hand that feeds them….without sick and injured people, we would have no need for hospital consultants). They are NOT paid to judge!
By the government double speak, this is probably correct. Only two jabs without a booster and you are unvaccinated. Not to mention within X amount of days of being jabbed, you are still unvaccinated.
Either way, it’s propaganda.
In Ireland they’ve said the same. The underlying context was that the ICU unvaxxed are declared so because they are immunocompromised and haven’t had the vaccine, or a booster even.
The trouble with this article is that it doesn’t account for the vaccines’ effect on the jabbed, which includes obedient members of the security forces. When a msm organ like the Daily Wail can talk of failure of the immune system (rather than failure of the vaccines/boosters) then maybe it’s time to sit up and take note. There are multiple liens of evidence to suggest this is happening, and that leaves aside the effects of the jab on the vascular system.
Will there be enough prison spaces for the unjabbed, and will the agents of the state be healthy enough to use force against the unvaccinated?
The NHS in the UK is collapsing – it’s taken only two years for the politicians of the UK to flatten the system. the situation is no better in the EU27 or in Israel. I fear – or rather the jabbed should fear – that we are rapidly moving towards the endgame in this culling operation.
Who is supposed to survive?
The unjabbed will survive.
Perhaps not survive, but ultimately will be saved.
There will be blood on the streets.
The powers that be have war gamed all this – no doubt computer modelled. (Maybe by a Mr. Ferguson – never underestimate the incompetence of those in charge).
I wonder if they worry, just a tiny bit, that it won’t work out as planned. If I were them, I’d be a little bit afraid.
They may end up hanging off lamp posts – and we are going to need a lot of them.
Hi there 77th.
I completely agree they have war-gamed all this. However, like you I am wondering about potential cracks in their plans.
Have the ‘vaccines’ not turned out as planned? Is the resistance higher than imagined? You do have to wonder.
The hard nut to crack was always going to be the U.S. And the non-compliance and legal challenges there is very noticeable.
And if things are going wrong, what’s their exit strategy? You see for me, once they rolled out the ‘vaccines’, it became an all or nothing game. And if that is the case, you could well see many ‘storming of the bastille’s’.
Should I be dusting off my pitchfork yet? 😉
“And if things are going wrong, what’s their exit strategy?”
It used to be start a war. I suspect Putin or Jingping may help us there. They must be looking at the West and thinking; “what a bunch of pussies, we can grab whatever we want from these stupid, scared children”.
The problem the left has is an inability to listen, and to imagine how their opposition thinks.
You can hang 3 at a time off one of the wind totems pushing up your electricity bill.
Price of petrol in Finland gone up 42% within the past year. I counted it today. Filled up yesterday – 98% octane now 1.99 Euros/litre.
Revolution is only three meals away.
How much of petrol cost is government overhead (tax)?
The bastards orchestrating this will melt in to the background if they fail and the ones paying the price will be the likes of Bozo, Carney, Jabit and the like.
They’ll do.
Susan, you are correct.
As usual. 😀
Let’s hope that Professor Pantsdown modelled it for them then. He’s fucked every model he ever meddled with. Unfortunately, in reality they will have modelled this extensively using real data scientists and machine learning, using all the data that arsebook and friends have been scooping up from morons. Our best hope is that they don’t realise that only the morons were in their data sets.
I think I may build some models of my own. Factoring in (1) predicted continued wankeriness of the government (2) greater number of unvaccinated among younger, angrier, more testosterone fuelled people (3) increasing evidence that the so-called vaccines are shit (4) preponderance of lampposts in the Westminster area
There is a Robert Dyas on Artillery Row. I bet they do rope of some sort.
I am going for peak fury in March.
“unvaccinated among younger, angrier, more testosterone fuelled people”
You’re showing your age. They’re now snowflakes worrying about pronouns. Maybe it’s the plastic consumption that did it? I bet Testosterone levels like fertility is significantly lower than it used to be.
If it looks like it will fall apart they’ll start a war.
Which is even more fecking frightening now the world has nukes. The people “in-charge” are egotistical, power mad, idiots and they will screw up eventually. Unfortunately, if COVID fails they’re lining up climate change. Our only hope is a chain reaction of sheeple awakening.
Nuclear and global war has never been more likely than it is right now in my opinion.
IN fact, a civil war in America – most states divorcing themselves from D.C. – might be the only thing that prevents this outcome.
That is, fight a little war to prevent THE big war.
But I don’t know that a war is guaranteed or inevitable if large number of states seceded. Didn’t many states/countries secede from the USSR without any wars?
And as it’s the Republicans with the guns, we can look forward to a better USA!