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Is Plan B Imminent?

by Toby Young
24 October 2021 4:29 PM

The Observer splashed this morning on the news that the Government is secretly planning to roll out ‘Plan B’, in spite of repeatedly claiming that it has no intention of doing so.

New evidence has emerged that the government is paving the way to implement ‘Plan B’ measures in England to combat the spread of COVID-19, amid warnings from health chiefs that a “vortex of pressures” is encircling the NHS.

In the clearest sign to date that Whitehall is actively considering additional measures, the Observer has learnt that the U.K. Health Security Agency (UKHSA) contacted local authorities on Friday to canvass their level of support for the “immediate rollout of the winter plan – plan B”.

The disclosure comes as senior doctors warn that operations are already being cancelled due to NHS staffing shortages and scientists warn of “a triple whammy” of respiratory illnesses this winter, with Covid, flu and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), which causes cold-like symptoms but can be serious for children and older adults.

You can read the whole story here.

How much should we read into the fact that the UKHSA – the successor to Public Health England – has consulted with local authorities about implementing ‘Plan B’? Is the agency just preparing for every possible scenario, just in case, or is it doing the Government’s bidding ahead of new Covid restrictions being imposed?

The former, according to Chancellor Rishi Sunak, who was asked about the story on Andrew Marr this morning. MailOnline has more.

Rishi Sunak insisted there was no need to move to ‘Plan B’ to cut Covid cases today – after health chiefs discussed whether there needed to be an “immediate rollout” of tougher measures to combat a surge in cases.

The Chancellor insisted that the data shows that bringing back working from home and introducing mandatory Covid passports was not yet required.

His comments to the BBC’s Andrew Marr programme came after it was reported that the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) contacted local authorities on Friday to canvass their level of support for the “immediate rollout of the winter plan – plan B”.

An ‘official – sensitive’ document seen by the Observer sought opinions from the leaders and chief executives of councils across England to be fed to the Cabinet Office before then [sic] end of the day.

But Mr Sunak today said: “The data does not suggest we should be immediately moving to Plan B.”

However a leading Government scientist said “some kind of Plan B” was needed immediately.

Professor Adam Finn, who is on the Joint Committee of Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), said COVID-19 hospital admissions and deaths are rising, and warned against complacency in what he said is a “worsening” situation.

Meanwhile, the Labour Party is ratcheting up pressure on the Government to reintroduce restrictions, seemingly indifferent to the fact that the burden of such measures fall disproportionately on the least well off. MailOnline has more.

Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves said the Government should introduce its ‘Plan B’ to tackle the rising rates of coronavirus now.

Speaking on Marr, Ms Reeves was asked what Labour’s position was on reintroducing restrictions such as the wearing of face coverings and working from home.

She said: “Labour as a responsible opposition have always said that we would follow the science, and we’ve seen today that SAGE (Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) are saying that some aspects of Plan B, like wearing masks on public transports and in shops, and also working from home more flexibly should be introduced.

“I think the first thing is the Government have got to do more to make Plan A work.

“If the scientists are saying work from home and masks, we should do that. So get A working better because the vaccination programme has been stalling, introduce those parts of Plan B.

“But there are also things not in A or B that need to be done, like paying statutory sick pay from day one and also better ventilation in public spaces.”

Asked directly whether Plan B should be introduced now, she said: “Yes, but let’s not let the Government off the hook with Plan A either.”

You can read both stories here.

The pressure on the Government to introduce ‘Plan B’ – and then, no doubt, another lockdown – is coming from the same sources it did this time last year: the NHS, SAGE, the DHSS, the Labour Party, the trades unions and, of course, the mainstream media. The Government is resisting the pressure for three reasons: (a) Matt Hancock and Michael Gove are no longer in the ‘Quad’ lobbying Boris and Rishi to lock down; (b) Boris is reluctant to squander the political capital he’s built up by supposedly avoiding the need for further restrictions by successfully overseeing a mass vaccination programme; and (c) the public mood has shifted a little, becoming marginally less pro-lockdown, as evidenced by recent polling.

Whether it’s vaccination liberation or covid fatigue, the balance of public opinion is moving against new restrictions. Our @Kantar_UKI @MiC_Global polling featured in @POLITICOEurope London playbook today finds majorities across all age groups concerned about another lockdown. pic.twitter.com/K4U0WuxFoj

— Luke Tryl (@LukeTryl) October 21, 2021

But I’m not at all confident the Government won’t implement ‘Plan B’ – or worse – if infections, hospitalisations and deaths tick up again. Even though there’s zero evidence that mask mandates, vaccine passports and working from home do anything to suppress the virus, if daily infections climb above 100,000 the Government will calculate that it needs to be seen to be doing something, even if it will make no difference and cause enormous collateral damage. Consequently, we should all pray that infections start to tail off this week, as we know they will before long, just as they have in every previous wave regardless of whether the state introduces further restrictions or not.

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Markus Skepticus
Markus Skepticus
3 years ago

Just a cock up. Nothing to see here.

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Stevey
Stevey
3 years ago
Reply to  Markus Skepticus

Yes nothing suspicious at all…

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  Markus Skepticus

Quite so: we KNOW this because Toby keeps telling us!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

the Government is secretly planning to roll out ‘Plan B’, in spite of repeatedly claiming that it has no intention of doing so.

Well knock me down with a feather, how surprised am I.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Are you alluding to a particular statement by Goering? I can think of a few, but none that hits October 2021 bang on the head.

AUKUS made me think of “guns before butter”, but we’re not quite at that point yet.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Right to the point.

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Bugs Bunny
Bugs Bunny
3 years ago

Oddly enough, I saw a post on a Welsh website saying that Google Maps (mobile) was showing that Wales is already in a lockdown.. I tried it myself this morning just to check, and sure enough..

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Bugs Bunny

Well it isn’t.

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Bugs Bunny
Bugs Bunny
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

When is Drakeford’s next announcement?

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Bugs Bunny

Who cares? Nobody cares, least of all here in Wales.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Anyway, Drakeford is to Starmer as The Mouth is to Sauron.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

9/11 comes to mind when the BBC announced to the world that

‘building #7 has also collapsed’

when it was clearly still there in the background only to actually collapse some hours later.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Nighty night Mr Solitary Downticker from the afternoon shift in a darkened secret room in Cheltenham

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

That downtick for your comment makes me chuckle. I mean, how can you disagree with a factual statement – I was rewatching that footage only last week.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Bugs Bunny

It’s been saying that since March 2020. I noticed that too, a few months ago.

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Silke David
Silke David
3 years ago

What’s different this time? It is the same pattern.
I, too, hope they won’t.
But I certainly don’t support Toby’s assumption that his chum Boris this time will not give in as he does not have Wancock or Shrove nagging him. I do not believe at all that Wancock ever had any ounce of power in decision making. Shrove more so.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Gove got out of the Cabinet Office in time for Barclay to issue the apology. Neat move. Talk about “Teflon”.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago

Meanwhile in Florida, where they don’t do any of this bullshit – despite all the pressure, spin and misinformation from the usual suspects

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

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IanC
IanC
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Even that got a downtick. Shows the mindset of these creatures.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

“the Government will calculate that it needs to be seen to be doing something, even if it will make no difference and cause enormous collateral damage”

Making the reasonable assumption they know it will make no difference, this makes them wicked. Weak and wicked.

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Teamsaint
Teamsaint
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

at least some of the high ups actively want digital ID. They could at least be honest about it.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

I read a casual note in today’s tech news that Samsung smart phones that can store your personal ID are being released on the South Korean market this winter. Coming soon, VERY soon.

Last edited 3 years ago by rayc
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Old Maid
Old Maid
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Just don’t buy one.

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

This is trivial from a technological stand point, and, in any event, we aren’t going to uninvent these things. The problem is the decline in the moral intelligence of our citizens and polity.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Do something for what though?

Seems to me as if plan B is actually a response to staff shortages combined with the huge backlog. In other words nothing to do with coronavirus.

And it makes sense really. Previous lockdowns have also been to relieve pressure in the NHS. Once the precedent they will do it again regardless.of the source.of pressure on the NHS.

That’s the policy monstrosity the British public has now endorsed.

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Teamsaint
Teamsaint
3 years ago

I don’t want to defend the Labour party at all. They are betraying their principles with their support for VPs etc, but the backbench tories are in the main just as supine, stupid, or cowardly .

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MadJock1
MadJock1
3 years ago

“we should all pray that infections start to tail off this week, as we know they will before long, just as they have in every previous wave regardless of whether the state introduces further restrictions or not.”

All very well but there is one massive difference to all previous “waves” – a huge percentage of the population have been injected with a therapy that is clearly making infection much more common. In addition people who have been injected are actually getting sick – they are ill! This isn’t just tests anymore this is genuine symptomatic illness.

What is the evidence I have for this? The only thing I am now willing to believe – my own personal experience. Until September I personally knew three people that had had symptomatic covid. In the last six weeks I have encountered another seven people with symptomatic illness – all with positive LFT, PCR and symptoms. What is the common denominator? They were all fully injected. I’m now happy to be called a conspiracy theorist and equally happy that people believe the “case” numbers will fall. I’m afraid I don’t -because I’m convinced that the injections are driving transmission and causing people to actually develop disease.

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A Sceptic
A Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  MadJock1

Completely agree, in the first 16 months of this I knew 3 people with covid (plus myself), since August I know 6, all double vaxxed.

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
3 years ago
Reply to  A Sceptic

Similar experience. I don’t know lots of people, but I probably know about 8-10 people that have had Covid, none very badly (the one that had it the worst complained about it being exhausting climbing the stairs – he’s overweight anyway, albeit not obese). At least half of those were post vaccination (indeed, one couple had it before vaccination, then again after vaccination – they still want their kids to have the vaccination even though they are sub 12y).

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MadJock1
MadJock1
3 years ago
Reply to  MadJock1

To add to the above, just spotted this comment from a typical moron under Spector’s latest doom and gloom advert for injection (on YouTube) “I am also worried although getting my booster tomorrow because a friend has been quite ill the past couple of weeks with Covid which he caught 3 weeks after his booster. He got booster among the first as he works for the Council face to face with clients. He caught Covid at a reunion in Edinburgh two weeks ago and all 40 people taking part have tested positive and all at least double vaccinated.”

Ill with symptomatic disease after three, I repeat three shots. 40 people all at least double vaccinated and they ALL have now tested positive. How much F***ing clearer can it be what is driving infection. The solution is equally obvious – stop injecting people and then allow some sort of natural immunity to develop (provided enough of the population still have an immune system that isn’t too badly damaged). Sorry for the rant but I’m at my wits end with this madness.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
3 years ago
Reply to  MadJock1

Amazing.

How asleep are these people? I don’t know what they get out of deluding themselves repeatedly in this way.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  MadJock1

Evidence? Slightly different but at Ashton On Mersey school whose head teacher let slip on Sky News Friday that of 54 students off sick 30 of them were for testing positive (despite wearing masks these past two weeks) with an additional 14 having negative effects from the vaccine; could mean vaccine induced Covid, could be something worse.

At first glance that looks like 32% but only 400 of the 1,250 pupils have received the vaccine.

14 out of 400 compared to 30 (possibly a further 14, it was unclear) out of 1,250.
Someone cleverer than me (CSE Grade 1 in maths) can do the sums.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m not sure what you’re asking. Is there any information about how many of the 30 were vaccinated, how many of the 14 tested positive, or what’s up with the other 10 who make up the total of 54?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

54 was my typo error, should be 44.
The head teacher said there are currently 30 students at home after testing positive and mentioned a further 14 (*their status unclear but ‘at home’, perhaps other illnesses).

Finally but separately “14 students are at home having had negative reactions to the vaccine”

Which is the higher ratio
30 (*or 44 depending) at home positive from total school population of 1,250.

Or

14 at home vaccine ill from population of 400 vaccinated?

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  MadJock1

Or perhaps what is driving the infections is just the winter season and the vaxxed people not isolating any more. The substantial difference this season is that those massively infected vaxxed people are about 10x less likely to die from covid than you.

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Dobba
Dobba
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

The substantial difference this season is that those massively infected vaxxed people are about 10x less likely to die from covid than you.

Prove it.

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neilhartley
neilhartley
3 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

Will Jones article from a day or so ago had the latest data which showed that a) the vaccines don’t prevent you catching/transmitting, b) the hospitalisation rate is lower in the vaccinated (but not 10x), and c) the death rate is lower in the jabbed (but not 10x). My problem with all of this data is it runs off a dodgy, debunked, fraudulent PCR test – so is utterly worthless.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Your first sentence is perfectly fine as discussed months ago.
The second is utter tripe.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Then why are 77% of all covid deaths double vaccinated?

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

Good question; makes the arithmetic troublesome…

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

@rayc – You have no idea of all the things I do to keep my immune system strong. I haven’t had a cold for 40 years, except once or twice lasting from morning until about 8pm on the same day.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

In 18 months this is the sum of your learning as to what is going on? Jesus wept

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Even if the second sentence were true it remains the case that nobody below 70 in decent health stands a great chance of dying from Covid, or even of being hospitalised. You are gaslighting.

Depending on the age and health of MadJock1 vaccine side effects are definitely something to consider. Lastly, long term effects of the vaccines are of course entirely unknown.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Certainly this Winter is the test of the mass medical experiment and it will be instructive to compare all cause mortality this Winter to last.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago

Short of them rushing through emergency legislation outlawing any further lockdowns (itself meaningless since any government could rescind or overule it just like the fixed term Parliament or ‘mandatory’ government targets for carbon reduction) I would not believe a word of it.

The Observer is making a not particularly clever guess at what is coming based upon ministers failure to explicitly say ‘Will Not’, instead using the same old weasel words ‘don’t wish to’, ‘no plans for’ with the caveat ‘unless . . .this that or the other happens’.

Anyway being such a wet, windy and cold Sunday I had intended to spend all day watching movie dvds but the site has been so interesting today that I’ve been on it for nine hours or more; six months ago I thought it was getting stale and repetitive (still is sometimes) and withdrew for a while.

Now it’s time for my evening snifter and one rule I made many years ago was ‘never post when pissed’ so I wish you all farewell for today.
For those who recently responded at length in todays Roundup comments about digitising the NHS, CynicalRealist, RickH and John I believe, I posted some updated information about 30 minutes ago.

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timsk
timsk
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

” . . .‘never post when pissed’. . .”
Oh go on karenovirus – I will if you will! 🙂

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
3 years ago

Toby is forgetting the Govt are resisting the pressure as Dominic Cummings is no longer around.

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
3 years ago

The Banshee’s are getting the media coverage, same as they always have. The spineless fat man in No10 will invoke ‘Plan B’ before the month is out i’m sure. The only thing the useless toad has done that is of any use is inadvertently admit the double jabbed can catch and spread it just like the unvax’d.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

Worse, if ‘vaccines’ indeed suppress symptoms they become AAA Superspreaders.

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

He won’t do anything until the jamboree in Glasgow has finished.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Government will calculate that it needs to be seen to be doing something

Here’s an idea, increase NHS capacity, treat early & offer voluntary support for the most vulnerable.

Oh & hold criminal prosecutions for those denying the public cheap effective treatments I V E R M E C T I N & Z I NC!

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
3 years ago

maybe something or not but when I went to book my desk for next week’s work I find the capacity has suddenly been reduced. Favoured desks I found I was not authorised to use.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

We were told earlier in the year that Hotdesking had been disallowed, rightly so, Covid or not. Horrible idea.

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grob1234
grob1234
3 years ago

Utterly drunk on power.

If you can’t see vax passports becoming a permanent fixture you need your head examining.

The slide continues 🙁

BTW Russel Brand has a great YouTube channel. He debates things without talking down to you. Unlike the MSM.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Personal ID stored on the phone, linked to your vaxx passport, and checked automatically by electronic gates coming to “market” within 1 year. Samsung already has a new line of phones in South Korea that allow storing of personal ID, and it is no hard guess for which purpose this “feature” will be used first.

P.S. It will be sold to and welcomed by hospitality business owners as a means to automate the mandatory checks and “relieve” their stressed workers from the “burden” of monitoring compliance.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Over ten years ago a local ‘quirky’ but well financed hotel would issue guests, generally business people and well to do parents of students, with a smartphone on arrival. This gave them access to car parking, their room, the gym and pool, dining and bar, room service, breakfast and checkout.

I don’t know if it was any good at supplying hookers or other below the desk requirements; some guests loved it but others complained on the internet about not meeting a single member of staff during their stay which they described as soulless and impersonal.

Just as well since the entire staff were summarily dismissed at the first mention of lockdown.

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Dobba
Dobba
3 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Russell Brand, like or hate him in the past (I’ve always liked him personally) is one of the most important speakers out there at present on many issues.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Russel Brand used to be a full on woketard uber PC liberal but, as with many on the left, he finally grew out of it.
While not yet to be compared with the sadly deceased Christopher Hitchens he is following the same path.
Subscribed on YouTube some months ago.

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago

“a triple whammy”….belittling language describing serious health threats reveals their callous, condescending attitude.

The triple whammy is the first, second, and booster shot. Or, lockdown, masks and gene-therapy. Or, Build Back Better.

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Old Maid
Old Maid
3 years ago

Councils will be happy to implement any old thing so long as central government gives them more dosh.

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CGL
CGL
3 years ago

Oh please do us a favour – we always knew Plan B was Plan A.
That was never in doubt for a second.

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MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
3 years ago

The plan from the start. It was always about the passports.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

Passports as the route to the money, yours and mine.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago

Fascist supporters yesterday: “You are fear mongering. There are no plans for a lockdown. You are a crazy conspiracy theorist!”
Fascist supporters today: “Of course there is a lockdown! Look at the cases! You’re insane!”

Some people are just idiots, and there isn’t much we can do about it.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Mandatory mask wearing, yet to be tested by the Courts, was once a conspiracy theory, as was vaccination of the non vulnerable and compulsory vaccination of health workers followed by the rest of us, also yet to be tested in Court.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Is it just me, or does Toby Young seem to be defending Alexander de-piffffel Johnson lately? He certainly appears to be sympathetic toward his position.

Anyone else notice a personality change among those that got multi-jabbed? Can we cancel Toby from his own website? JOKE.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Probably just being careful in the hope of not falling foul of the disgraceful ‘online harm’ bill.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Self-censorship hmm.

Of course, that bill isn’t law YET.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Your prompt response (before I had even pressed the ‘post comment’ button) prevented me from completing my post with

“but it still allows us to share what we know below the line as do seemingly pro government policy articles in the Daily Mail which allows their splendidly well informed readers to vent their spleen”.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

That does puzzle me, the daily fail being one of the government’s worst covid propaganda machines, yet still allows unmoderated comments & clearly many haven’t bought into the official covid narrative.

How could have I replied to your comment before you posted it LOL?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I have no Idea but something similar happened with another post earlier. It was quite lengthy, but well within site limits.

When I pressed ‘post comment’ I got the message ‘this comment can no longer be edited’ (timed out) with the first part of my comment appearing as normal but missing the second part.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

BBC news website now

Ms Millionairess Morgan the Welsh Heath Minister does not stick to the script and describes the ‘covid pass’ as a ‘vaccine passport’

Get with the programme woman they are Covid passes. The BBC dutifully help out and correct her error

Ms Morgan said ministers would be looking to “see how we can absolutely make the most out of the measures that we already have in place”.
“Is there any more we can do, for example, around working from home,” she said.
“Is there more we can do to make sure that people do actually wear their face coverings in public places indoors, and we’ll be seeing if it may be necessary to roll out the vaccine passports [Covid passes] to other situations.”

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Haha! Missed that. Thanks. She’ll be Hancocked next week. Wonder who they’ll tell her to snog?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Eating each other just like lefties.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

They will do it because after all it “saved the world” last year. So bolstered by this positive experience, they are keen on “saving the world” again. Rinse, repeat.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

….

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

“…and for EVERYONE ELSE to take the vax to…erm…protect YOU, you have indeed, been fully conned! “

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
3 years ago

All whilst studiously ignoring the evidence from Scandinavia, Florida etc that the lockdown, associated releigous paraphernalia and mad vaxxing do the square root of f all to stop the spread of Covid( a mildly irritating ailment which 99.97% survive, mostly by not knowing they had it in the 1st place).

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ebygum
ebygum
3 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

its pretty obvious they need harder lockdown, longer lockdown, medical grade masks, and more vaccines….because they’ve worked everywhere……..oh wait!!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Straight out of the horse’s mouth (pun intended)

Two Different Classes of People (Vaxxed and Unvaxxed) in New Zealand? “That is what it is, so yep!”

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Teamsaint
Teamsaint
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Always worry when a politician say “ nobody wants this to happen but…..”

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

Followed by “it is with heavy heart . . .”

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James Kreis
James Kreis
3 years ago

Forgive me for asking Prime Minister but why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected in the first place?

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Old Maid
Old Maid
3 years ago

“Consequently, we should all pray that infections start to tail off …”

This is your best advice, Mr Young? That we should pray? What a stupid thing to say. You’re lucky I haven’t hit the gin yet …

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago

Labour is no longer concerned with the less well-off, apart from those they consider a victim of real or imagined intersectional discrimination.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Labour has not been concerned with what is left of the working class for years, which is why they lost Scotland and finally the Red Wall which bozo is in serious danger of losing. The only question being is who to?

He may well be forcing them into the arms of the fabled ‘far right’ for want of an alternative. It’s happened before, elsewhere, and he might just make it happen again but this time here. What a tosser.

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divoc origi 19
divoc origi 19
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

At the risk of swimming in a sea or red down votes, I would much rather Corbyn be in charge than these dishonest slags. If you are going to have a government that implements big state policies combined with ludicrous amounts of spending and Chinese style surveillance, better it be done by somebody who actually believes in it. I’m not a Corbyn fan at all, but at least he has his own principles and sticks to them.

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
3 years ago
Reply to  divoc origi 19

Neither Boris nor Corbyn are strong men. Corbyn has shown evidence of convictions in the past (not ones I agree with; mostly not anyway) but he would still have been railroaded into lockdown and so on by Sage and the Starmers of this world.

That said, I think it would have been better if Labour were in charge, purely because the Conservative party could then have been free to criticise the government.

The Republican party is in this position in the US, and I’m looking forward to the Democrats being wiped out in the mid-terms.

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Stevey
Stevey
3 years ago
Reply to  Jon Mors

It wouldn’t have mattered who was in charge. Both parties have been in lockstep since the beginning.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  divoc origi 19

If you’re talking about Piers, then yes.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
3 years ago

Meanwhile, the Labour Party is ratcheting up pressure on the Government to reintroduce restrictions, seemingly indifferent to the fact that the burden of such measures fall disproportionately on the least well off.

That is because the Labour Party in indifferent to the least well off.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

I’ve no time for Labour or the MSM or the Unions or anyone else, but the Prime Minister has a huge majority and he is In Charge. It’s on him.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

They are actually now subscribers to the theory of the ‘deserving poor’. They are 19th century Tories.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

It is because Labour are communist, just like lockdown.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Neil Oliver: ‘Hey Government, we are not stupid’

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Sadly, the trusting and obedient sheep/ lemmings are demonstrating otherwise.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

“The Government is resisting the pressure for three reasons: (a) Matt Hancock and Michael Gove are no longer in the ‘Quad’ lobbying Boris and Rishi to lock down”

Ah, that will be the Matt Hancock who was replaced by Said Javid, the person who is busy wrecking the care home sector and the NHS by mandating pointless, evil vaccine mandates. So that’s OK then. For fuck’s sake. Talk about grasping at straws. Almost as bad as my deluded friends who fantasise covid will be over by next year (it’s always next year) but can’t explain what will change between now and then. Desperate for it to be true, but they really known it’s not.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

“Boris is reluctant to squander the political capital he’s built up by supposedly avoiding the need for further restrictions by successfully overseeing a mass vaccination programme”

LMFAO. That’s the vaccination program that has increased all-cause mortality, covid “cases”, “hospitalisations” and “deaths”? The one that was so good we have to do it all again (boosters) or we’re screwed? I think I prefer the vaccines we had this time last year when covid “cases”, “hospitalisations” and “deaths” and all-cause mortality had reduced/returned to normal.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
3 years ago

As I recall the NHS has a budget of around £159 Billion? There are currently 8238 so called ‘covid’ patients in UK NHS hospitals, that makes £19.3 million for every current ‘covid’ patient. When an organisation with that much cash fails to cope with 8238 ‘covid’ patients we should not lockdown the public, more correctly we should lock up or at least kick out the failed and miserable NHS top brass. Why are they not ready for this? why has such an obvious turn of events and such a small number of patients caused such a problem to such a well funded organisation?
And why is the idea of restricting the General Public being considered as the cure for this failed NHS management. I have managed to live 67 years on this good earth with never a previous thought that health problems and failed management problems should be solved by whipping and restricting the general public but suddenly it is the only game in town. Balderdash and piffle as my old Grand-dad would have said.

Don’t kick me kick the NHS top brass and give them an ultimatum get this sorted or get out.

Last edited 3 years ago by Steve-Devon
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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago

“We should all pray” – we should do no such thing, what we must do is tell them to F off!

They know and have always known that infections rise and then fall – high peak and rapid drop, low peak and slow drop, in the end it makes no difference. After almost 2 years, the health services – in whatever Western country – should be up to the job, enough money has been thrown around on all manner of unnecessary things. As they are not, then they may as well let people take ivermectin or HCQ if they so wish.

They’ve been talking about new measures here as well – just started in the last few days, strange timing… Some virologist bint was on telly today saying they should announce measures tomorrow, not wait until 5 November when the next briefing is planned.

Timmermans, EU bloodsucker extraordinaire, was quoted last week as, part of his climate change scam, that to achieve real change, you have to scare people.

I’m on board with that – it is clear that to achieve change those who are abusing their powers need to become scared of us, the people.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Exactly, well said!

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

There is a huge level of propoganda, misiformation circulating right now from government and the MSM. Scare tactics, exaggeration, false flags, you name it.
Be discerning, don’t fear.
Hold the line folks, there are more of us than them.
Everything they say an ddo is based on the lie that Covid is a ‘pandemic’. It’s not.
Just say no.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

I agree.
I thought analyses were about tests but some sites and comments no longer seem to think so. Did I miss something or is propaganda etc spreading?

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Lozboz
Lozboz
3 years ago

Occasionally inaction is preferable….

Don’t just do something, stand there.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago

I was chatting to a guy at a local art exhibition. He was masked and we discussed them as Isaid I didn’t bother with any “precautions” and hadn’t for ages. He explained that he has been double vaxed, then had an extremely bad case of Covid and said thanks to the vaccination he hadn’t died, but he wanted to avoid infecting others and will be getting his booster (hes infection was 2 months ago). I said I thought the government had misled us over the vax and many other things. He didn’t agree and said they were doing it for our benefit. The battle is lost with people like him.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

I hope the guy’s health holds up. A booster, after actually getting a bad case of the virus post-vaccination before? That’s pretty mental. Has he not heard the saying about madness being a tendency to do the same thing multiple times expecting different results? He probably doesn’t know much about the immune system and antibodies and stuff.

And Daddy Boris was on the telly getting injected after he went to intensive care too, so it must be the right course for the People. We all know that Telly Dads love us so much. Indeed only a dirty enemy of the people would even question that.

Last edited 3 years ago by Star
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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Well done for trying to open his eyes but these people have gone now. It’s either a case of can’t or won’t hear anything outside of the MSM narrative. All you can do is accept their opinion but always stand strong in you beliefs. A good piece of advice I heard the other day is don’t foist your opinions on others unless they ask you for yours first. Then give it kindly…with both barrels!

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Nymeria
Nymeria
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Another brainwashed and brain-dead zombie. Shame you wasted breath on him.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

“Consequently, we should all pray that infections start to tail off this week …”

Sorry – but I don’t do myths generally, Covid or God bothering.

But it is also beside the point, and I sense a bit of incipient government worshipping behind that remark.

Whether ‘infections’ rise or not, the shit-show measures should not be repeated by this shambolic excuse for a government – who will use any excuse. They need to be challenged on the basics of their policy whatever happens.

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Star
Star
3 years ago

Public opinion out of sync with the mainstream media? Shurely shome mishtake! If that’s true, it won’t last for long.

Points a) and b) sound too much like Kremlinology.

Expect surprises – perhaps focusing on flu, the water supply, the techno offspring of Track and Trace, delta plus (or son of the same), or China.

Order of battle-wise, it could be that the propaganda top boys have their hands full with COP26. Unlikely. Just a thought.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Is that a Scottish accent I detect?

Nothing surprises me anymore, if I’m honest I wasn’t at all surprised by government’s response to Covid-19 back in March 2020. I am however disappointed in my fellow brit’s response to it.

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RW
RW
3 years ago

Recent COVID developments

  • 2021/10/21 52,009 new cases
  • 2021/10/22 49298, -2711 (-5.21%)
  • 2021/10/23 44985, -4313 (-8.75%)
  • 2021/10/24 39962, -5023 (-11.17%)

This is obviously no guarantee that the people faking the casedemic have exhausted their resources yet, but nevertheless absolutely not what’s supposed to happen when infections with a hyperinfectious, deadly virues are soaring and supposed to grow expentionally (demonstrably never happened).

Last edited 3 years ago by RW
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Jane G
Jane G
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

Hope you’re right, but doesn’t it generally tail off at weekends, with Tuesday’s being catch-up day and the highest point of the week?

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

What’s the point of this factually wrong statement?

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Brian Bond
Brian Bond
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

I think what Jane G is saying is that the new ‘cases’ reported are usually fewer at the weekends, due to there being less testing and less admin. resources around to collate the test results throughout the UK NHS. As a consequence, bigger numbers are reported on Mondays and/or Tuesdays as a catch-up. This is even more noticeable for the reporting of deaths.

What this means is that the best indicator of any trend is to compare one day’s numbers with those of the same day one week ago. But in this case the news is, arguably, better than you reported above, namely that the number of cases reported last Sunday (17th) was 45,140 – hence today’s 39,962 is a reduction of 11.5%, and, most importantly, sees the first decline in the 7 day moving average trend since the beginning of the month.

Of course this may be no more than a reporting artefact, but, given that yesterday’s numbers were a mere 3.6% higher than the previous Saturday, the trend was already showing signs of serious slowing down.Tomorrow’s numbers are going to be important. If they are down again, we can start be a bit more positive.

Why is this important? Well surely if the numbers go into a sustained fall such as has happened in eg Florida and many countries, the government will have no argument for any further restrictions.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Brian Bond

I think what Jane G is saying is that the new ‘cases’ reported are usually fewer at the weekends, due to there being less testing and less admin. resources around to collate the test results throughout the UK NHS. As a consequence, bigger numbers are reported on Mondays and/or Tuesdays as a catch-up.

I didn’t ask what demonstrably wrong assertions she was implying (the numbers are public, after all) but why she was doing this. For starters, Friday is not a weekend day.

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Brian Bond
Brian Bond
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

What she was ‘implying’ was that the mid-week numbers go up and down on a day-to-day basis, without any predictable pattern, but they do usually fall over the weekend (for reasons stated above). Her specific reference to ‘Tuesday’ was a bit of a red herring, but she was right in principle, and was effectively cautioning against reading too much into a mid-week fall in case counts. I agree with that.

I am a bit confused by your annoyance at what was a minor error in that she specifically stated “Tuesday”, when the catch-up could be on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday – see Wales for example, who have reported nothing on a Saturday for 2 or 3 months now, with large catch-up numbers on a Monday.

Oh, and who mentioned Friday?

In any event, the case count today is down by over 12,000 on last Monday’s. However, today’s numbers don’t include Wales’, which, last Monday, were 6,398, so, assuming no change for Wales when the numbers do arrive, today’s case count for the UK will be about 6,000 lower than last Monday – which is a fall of about 12%.

And that is good news, is it not?

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
3 years ago

We should pray. Imagine if we’d hit the bottom end of Sage’s most optimistic scenario after lockdown was ended in July. England would be like New South Wales by now.

We need to have relatively long uneventful period for government fear mongering to lack all semblance of credibility. It is in such periods that people, one by one, might come to their senses.

Winter is always tough though, so hold onto your hats folks.

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John001
John001
3 years ago

Discussion from Stew Peters show of the vaccination of people who are so young they clearly shouldn’t be given the shot, as they call it there

https://rumble.com/vo3b0f-fda-announces-mix-and-match-boosters-death-cocktail-for-masses.html

I’m issuing a BBC-type advance warning: this programme may contain distressing information.

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Manjushri
Manjushri
3 years ago

As planned, Plan B is the real Plan A

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

I’m still quite sold on the idea (à la Ernst Wolff) that an economic catastrophe is going on in the background and this is the mother of all smokescreens. They way things are currently going this would be preferable. If the aim is indeed vaccine passports and an endless treadmill of boosters just to participate in society, then of course we’re in real trouble. But it does feel to me like there’s an underlying crisis we can’t see and is frightening the shit out of the policy makers. We know it’s a crime – we need to work out motive.

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rockoman
rockoman
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Hyperinflaton coming:

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/twitter-ceo-jack-dorseys-dire-warning-hyperinflation-will-soon-change-everything

and:

https://kingworldnews.com/china-to-launch-digital-currency-backed-by-gold-in-4-months/

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago

“If the scientists…” Rachel Reeves).

Which scientists? Those scientists linked to the pharmaceutical industry which has made a concerted effort to influence politics? (See here) Revealed: Big Pharma’s hidden links to NHS policy, with senior MPs saying medical industry uses ‘wealth to influence government’ | The Independent | The Independent

Labour really shouldn’t be collaborating in the screwing over of the poor by big business. Then again, if they really cared about the poor, they would have opposed the lockdowns that have caused such suffering in the third world. Bunch of callous political ideologues.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

It is worrying when politicians are left to work out healthcare plans. Bill gates, Jamie demon and others dropped in for dinner a few days ago. Guess what. That is who Boris takes his orders from. Expect the worst folks. Nothing to do with a virus, a vaxx. Just plain greed.

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago

Nothing new then. Promise one thing and do the opposite. Typical gaslighting to destroy our minds. Now is the time for every good man and woman to just say NO. We can work very well without this establishment. We can also work very well by not paying our council tax anymore.

As Godfrey Bloom pointed out, only around 25% of the population actually pay council tax. The majority get financial help and therefore do not need to pay. If the 25% decided to collectively stop their payments the councils would fall and we could organise our own bin collections and deals with electricity companies for street lighting.

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BillyWiz
BillyWiz
3 years ago

The huge rise in covid cases was from testing schoolkids. See ONS statistics (its buried at the bottom of the latest release). Expect cases to drop significantly this week…how do I know? It is half term so there will be no covid testing going on in schools and there has been no apparent rise in cases from adults of any age

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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago

Re: face muzzles, have our politicians not seen this?:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/47-studies-confirm-inefectiveness-of-masks-for-covid-and-32-more-confirm-their-negative-health-effects/

There is NO credible scientific support for them, and even the govt’s own mandate could only speculate.

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

If at first you don’t succeed, just repeat the same cockameemy crap again and again until you can achieve Herr Scwab’s ambitions. Divide and rule…

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kate
kate
3 years ago

Dr Merritt has some interesting discussions on her website. She is remarkably clear-sighted, and characterises Covid as an act of war against the population. It makes more sense seen this way. She believes that all the “variants” are simply the effects of the vaccine programme, and that the “virus” is an injectable/transmissible bioweapon.
https://drleemerritt.com/
Merritt is correct in the sense that the death waves in all countries followed rapidly after the deployment of the vaccines. Some countries were free of Covid until vaccination started.
Repeated booster programmes will mean that the “virus” will never disappear. So more stringent social controls can be implemented and the screw repeatedly tightened.
Personally, I like Dr Merritt even though I am not always sure about her interpretations in detail. Her military background gives her a real start in seeing how bioweapons programmes have played a major role in the thinking and planning of this initiative. Kennedy talks about the CIA and how they have researched the steps required to destabilise a country and replace its institutions.
Robert Kennedy also talks about the removal (at a stroke) of American constitutional rights – jury trials, free speech freedom of movement, religious freedoms…coronavirus is just a smokescreen to implement these attacks. He says that they must fight the second American revolution.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hQ2UIjtt12uP/
Kennedy talks about the CIA and how they have researched the steps required to destabilise a country and replace its institutions.
By arguing about the governments latest mandates we are fighting on territory that has been chosen by our adversary. We need to choose our own frame of reference. Seeing Covid as primarily medical makes the aggression and violence of this assault on our freedoms and rights diminish and we concede justifications, where none should be..

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WeWantEvidence
WeWantEvidence
3 years ago

As usual the “Politician’s Syllogism” gets prominence:

  1. We must do something.
  2. This is something.
  3. Therefore, we must do this.

The people who decide on our fate should keep in mind that that’s what’s known as a logical fallacy. It’s inherently wrong thinking. There is ALWAYS the option to do NOTHING.

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John Drewry
John Drewry
3 years ago

Never forget Bismarck’s famous aphorism: “Never believe anything until it has been officially denied”.

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Johnny Dollar
Johnny Dollar
3 years ago

Only teh Dead in a Coffin with a Masked Brain did not see it coming !

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