Has the winter ‘flu season’ begun in northern Europe, with signs of upticks in Covid positive tests in the U.K., Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands and also Russia?
There’s no new variant driving these – it appears to be purely seasonal, with Delta still dominating. There’s also a lot more herd immunity around now (and high vaccination rates, if that has any effect on infection and transmission). What will a winter Covid surge look like under these conditions? We may be about to find out.
Denmark recently ended all restrictions, including abolishing vaccine passports, declaring Covid no longer a “socially critical disease”. Let’s hope it holds its nerve as winter hits, and that we, too, will resist introducing any draconian new measures as we face whatever the coming season may throw at us.
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Is that ”delta” aka ”the quacksine”?
It’s a year ago now it was announced quite openly that ‘covid’ and flu figures would be lumped together. How convenient.
No Denmark did not end all covid restrictions. Denmark still perpetrates a scientifically irrational medical apartheid international border discrimination against certain classes of ‘unvaccinated’ people entering Denmark.
Anyone who takes a test for a cold or flu is absolutely out of their tiny mind. We are now seeing the first stages of true suppression and the sheeple may go along with it. Shame on them for destroying the future for children
Apologies for being off topic but can anyone explain to me why a PCR test sample MUST be from the tonsils ( avoiding cheeks, gums, etc.) and nostrils-why won’t spit and snot suffice for testing?
If the lurgy can only be found on/in the tonsils/nostrils why the worry?- I rarely exchange tonsil secretions with people.
Or is it part of the humiliate and pacify process- getting people to agree to invasive procedures?
Or is it all theatre?
Oh dear, is it possible the vaxx reduces your immune system, Primes it for ade, all of the above. What a mess, but just keep giving out the koolaid booster and flu vaxx even though no one has any idea what flu variants might be around this winter if any. Keep taking tour Vit c,d,zinc and Quercetin. Sleep well, daily exercise and eat healthy.
It strikes me that many of us who are now taking the vits, zinc, quercetin, etc, weren’t doing so this time last year. Does that mean that many more of us are protected to a certain extent, so the flu figures might actually be lower? Or aren’t there enough of us to make a difference?
How do they tell the difference, have they isolated covid and flu viruses? Have they decided that muzzles and jabs that dont stop infection will be the solution now that they no longer want to pay for health care for the masses.
“Spain’s Health Minister declares mask mandates will be kept in place to control flu: “Las máscaras llegaron para quedarse, al menos mientras tengamos influenze.”
“Masks are here to stay, at least as long we have influenza.””
Gosh. Who could ever have predicted that?
https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1448427689904259075
Flu has magically reappeared in the Asian numbers too.
There may be an uptick in positive tests but the share of tests which are positive remains under the 5% level which the WHO defined as the point below which the “pandemic” is under control. It has been below 5% since the end of January..
Given that the false positive rate for the PCR test has been estimated at between 0.8% and 4%, the level of positive tests is still little more than noise.
But we seldom hear about this metric. Or indeed about deaths with COVID. It’s all about cases cases cases.
Deaths
“Covid deaths” is very iffy data
Probably all cause mortality with a pre panicdemic year for comparison.
Yes, I know. But even using their own faulty data there is little sign of any “3rd Wave”.
Most “cases” are kids, most deaths are the elderly. No real correlation between the two.
Percentage change over the last few months. Jumps about all over the place, but doesn’t appear to move much off of the baseline over time..
Congratulations, Will, on using the correct term ‘positive tests’ instead of the misleading ‘infections’ or ‘cases’ – as well as the proportionate term ‘uptick’ rather than ‘wave’.
The problem of over-testing is would seem to be present in the UK figures. But, that apart, what is the ~300% level in the UK all about in comparison with the cluster of othe countries? Mis-attribution? High vaccination rates? Ct levels?
One thing is for sure – it blows out of the water any claim to superiority – or even competence – by the UK government in the handling of the virus.
This bodes ill for two reasons : if real, it suggests that the handling has indeed been totally incompetent, with the main result of policy being to simply delay herd immunity (which we suspect), or, if imaginary, it provides a platform for more police state action, as the inevitable infection season progresses.
One of my wife’s music group friends has a 5 year old son who has tested +ve for covid, presumably via a dodgy school test, perfectly fit and healthy no symptoms, not passed it to the rest of the family. I guess this is happening across the country? in which case the high UK figures will include lots of primary school children who are passing round a respiratory virus to build up their immunity much as children have always done. We might as well be counting grains of sand on the beach.
We should stop childhood covid tests now but I doubt that the teachers would be happy about that.
The physical damage that can be done to a child of tender years by being nasally probed …. ”Testing pupils” is spoken of glibly, as if it’s just a necessary inconvenience. It is positively DISGUSTING and abusive. That ANY adult will take part in this kind of assault is appalling, and the parents who actually allow their children to be abused in this way are also culpable. FIVE YEARS OLD! For crying out loud….
So they’ve turned up the pcr cycles again….
On a positive note I had an brush with a twat from NHS Wales who was ‘inspecting’ my location for Covid compliance.The friendly chat rapidly deteriorated regarding my Cavalier attitude.I decided to utilise a more refined approach ie if he did anything to disrupt my income I will carve him another arsehole, job done.Which supports my theory on brain washed they appear generally fragile and vulnerable to further instruction like Fuck Off! but their fear is palpable.I intend to deploy this strategy on a daily basis whenever the opportunity arises!
The bureaucrat-bully is often a paper tiger
I think he learnt the colour of fear is brown hideous twat!!
I can recommend the book ‘social justice warriors always lie’ by Vox Day. Although written pre-Covid it provides good advice on dealing with these types of people. As you say they are often mentally fragile and will crumble when faced with resistance.
Interestingly, Zoe looks like it is topping out again and is about to start falling. I don’t credit it with much accuracy In terms of quantity but it has been fairly close to the trends in terms of mortality throughout.
I’m thinking the last 18mths didn’t reduce the elderly and vulnerable population in the uk enough to satisfy whomever is pulling the strings. So now we have a manufactured gas shortage and threats of interruption to electricity supply and hiking up prices, which will mean many elderly and vulnerable people will be unable or feel like they should not try to heat their homes adequately, or cook real food. Last year it was the suggestion to keep your windows open all winter which clearly didn’t work well enough. This year it’ll be a lockup without warmth or food and don’t even think about bothering the NHS if you’re badly affected by the cold and poor nutrition. It’s absolutely criminal.
Interesting thread indicating an inverse relationship between Covid and Flu.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1448307138955124742.html
The NHS is overburdened every winter so it won’t take much for the lockdown zealots to demand yet another unnecessary lockdown.
Former Pfizer VP: ‘Clear evidence of fraud’ in Pfizer study claiming 95% efficacy
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/2/frontlinenews/former-pfizer-vp-clear-evidence-of-fraud-in-pfizer-study-claiming-95-efficacy/
Same with Moderna
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/moderna-boosters-at-the-fda
They’ve not hit their intended targets and so just ask for approval based on some other metrics. And much more nonsense besides.
I’m not quite sure why this is an item as we all know infections of all manner of things are going to rise in the coming months as they always do. Of course, as pointed out, the issue will be how world governments react to such a natural phenomenon. I am not particularly encouraged.
Plenty of illness at my work – only among the vaxxed.
Covid, Flu, Flu, Covid. Tomarto, Tomato, Portato, Potato. Don’t you wish they would call the whole thing off?
But, oh, if they call the whole thing off
Then the money will stop rolling!
“Despite encouraging everyone to be fully vaccinated there still remains a stubborn section of the public who refuse to comply. We have tried our best to avoid another lockdown but cases continue to rise due to their selfish attitude. Sadly this leaves us with no other choice.”
“Remember, no-one’s safe until everyone’s safe.”
And in a year or two ;-
” If you are are aware of any unvaccinated person or persons then please inform your local compliance unit. If said person is a close friend or family member you can use our confidential hotline number.”
In the Northern Territories you are in a position where you have to run from your house in the dead of night and live as a freedom fighter, subsisting on road kill kangaroos.
Take a look at New South Wales rules since October 11.
The following are direct extracts from the ‘rules’:
If you are not fully vaccinated you cannot take a holiday outside the local government area you live in.
If you are not fully vaccinated you can only travel in a vehicle with people you live with.
If you are not fully vaccinated you cannot visit an entertainment facility.
If you are not fully vaccinated you cannot visit a hospitality venue except for take away.
If you are not fully vaccinated you cannot visit a retail hairdresser, beauty salon or massage premises.
If you are not fully vaccinated you cannot attend an outdoor event.
If you are not fully vaccinated you cannot visit a recreation facility.
If you are not fully vaccinated you cannot visit a gym or indoor recreation facility.
If you are not fully vaccinated you cannot attend a place of worship.
You can report any person failing to follow these rules to Crime Stoppers.
In the case of an individual, the maximum penalty is $11,000, or imprisonment for 6 months, or both and a further $5500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues.
I won
t be complying with any nhs app /passport - i will use fake id to get me into my work premises until im sprung and then ill be sacked/resign.I will only support companies that dont apply discrimination.
Build up supplies and make connections with like minded folk.
Yes, it might lead me to the poor house but at least i`d remain uncontaminated.
Neither. Never going to happen. Will not comply with tyranny under any circumstances.
I obviously don’t know your personal situation but you may want to re-think that. If you get caught you can get fired for dishonesty, never mind Covid. That could have repercussions for much longer than not being vaxxed could.
I’ve decided that I’ll keep my mouth shut as long as I possibly can (I work from home so I could probably avoid the office for a while by making various excuses – luckily they are doing some refurb work in parts of the office so there isn’t much pressure to come in) but just be honest if challenged.
If, ultimately, I were to be found out then most likely there will be a month or two of flapping about, then, if I am made redundant I’ll have 3 months notice period plus statutory redundancy pay which in my case is another two months.
By then it will be spring again and hopefully Covid will have played out. At that point my employer might feel like it was all a bit pointless. With any foresight on their part they’d just make me a permanent home worker and maybe revisit down the line.
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All you have suggested is bang on the money, alas, i have already gone down the path which will lead to me being sacked or i will have to resign. I suspect, as night follows day, my work place will send an email out at the beginning of January stating that they will insist on NHS digital certification for all employees. I may try to bluster and call on my decade
s worth of untainted employment as reason to work at home - but dont think theyll buy it. Unfortunately, i cant see any let up next year either so my plan is to try to find something to bring in an income (from home) by Christmas as back up. I, like most here, have significant monthly outgoings so this is a major major stress.I wish you the very best of luck. I’d would suggest trying the “Why do you think that you can demand private, confidential details about my health?” line, although at this point it’s really just building the case for a dismissal suit.
Have you looked into employment solicitors? Much as I loathe the parasites as a class, in practice many of us are going to have to resort to their ghoulish services.
I would suggest requesting their own full medical details before you will release any of yours.
Claim you may have a problem working for someone who’s had an abortion as it goes against your religious beliefs.
https://t.me/s/hackntrace
The certificate seems to be unsigned…
So
https://snacknrace.me/passport/create/
will allow you to experiment
https://snacknrace.me/passport-info/
{
“fName”: first_name,
“sName”: last_name,
“dob”: date_birth,
“dv1”: date_dose_1,
“bv1”: batch_dose_1,
“dv2”: date_dose_2,
“bv2”: batch_dose_2,
“num”: nhs_number
“brand”: vaccine_brand
“centre”: vaccination_centre
}
A real data example:
{“fName”: “FREDDIE”, “sName”: “BROWN”, “dob”: “01 January 1984”, “dv1”: “06 May 2021”, “bv1”: “AA12345”, “dv2”: “18 July 2021”, “bv2”: “BB54321”, “num”: “123 456 7890”, “brand”: “pf”, “centre”: “BATH RACECOURSE – VACCINATION CENTRE”}
This object is then converted to base64, so it can be represented as a URL:
eyJmTmFtZSI6ICJGcmVkZGllIiwgInNOYW1lIjogIkJyb3duIiwgImRvYiI6ICIwMSBKYW51YXJ5IDE5ODQiLCAiZHYxIjogIjA2IE1heSAyMDIxIiwgImJ2MSI6ICJBQTEyMzQ1IiwgImR2MiI6ICIxOCBKdWx5IDIwMjEiLCAiYnYyIjogIkJCNTQzMjEiLCAibnVtIjogIjEyMyA0NTYgNzg5MCIsICJicmFuZCI6ICJwZiIsICJjZW50cmUiOiAiQmF0aCBSYWNlY291cnNlIC0gVmFjY2luYXRpb24gY2VudHJlIn0
the base64 bit is encoded viaully as a “2d barcode” i.e QR code.
I’m sorry to hear that. Sounds like you either burned some bridges or have an unusually strident Covidian boss.
Again, I don’t know what options are available to you but you could try stating that, having experienced the joy of working from home you are never prepared to go into the office again. They might either accommodate that, possibly as a contractor, or you’ll have to quit and find something else on that basis. For many of us the most important thing is for our vaxx status to not become known, as it will be taken badly. Even if we retain our jobs you’ll find yourself frozen out. People will stop giving you work etc.,
Personally I can afford to be unemployed for a year even with outgoings. My main concern is that my wife might divorce me. Whilst she also think the world has gone nuts and agrees with me on most things, she would ultimately get vaxxed if unemployment etc., were to threaten her bourgeoisie lifestyle. I’m under no illusions that she married me for my cheekbones or charming manner.
There is another tactic that might work in some places. Take time off for depression. Get a note from a doctor saying that you need to rest for 6 months. For most of us, we are on the brink anyway so hamming it up a bit at the GP office (or zoom call rather!!!) shouldn’t be that hard.
I work in a touchy feely place where we even have ‘mental health first aiders’. Stupid, but why not make it work for you. Most companies wouldn’t relish the thought of firing somebody who was having depression issues ‘due to Covid’.
As with most of these tactics, it is about buying time until things blow over, or we can arrange our affairs to the new environment.
Gross misconduct. Instant dismissal?
In response to the replies of ‘good luck with that’ and ‘hope it works out’ etc:
People, realise that this will be happening to you all eventually without non-compliance of this fascism. Every establishment, shop and place of employment will eventually demand proof of vaccination, this is not even debatable.
You are going to be forced into that position, and quite soon.
It is debatable. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Depressing our side with black pills isn’t helpful.
It’s not debatable because it is the agenda, you will comply or they will force you out of society.
How optimistic do you think they are down in Victoria? They never would have believed life could become so dystopian a year ago, but they are at that point right now and it will be spreading worldwide if people keep appeasing it.
The only route to freedom and normality is to accept we’ve been conned and begin mass non-compliance.
Let’s not over-estimate how strong ‘they’ are.
Agree with the last sentence. The time to hold fast is now, before all this shit gets normalised.
“Confirmed” “cases.” Oh no. Anyway.
How many are symptomatic?
How many are actually stopping people from working (as opposed to getting them another week’s paid holiday)?
How many hospitalisation?
How many deaths from the Indian variant of the Chinese virus?
And we can “hope” that the tyranny here won’t be ramped up again, but it’s forlorn. The social credit score apps are coming, they’re just being trialled in the Celtic Fringe first, where the natives are even more subservient to, and dependent on, the State.
Surely we’re not still labouring under the impression on this site, of all places, that the despotism has, or ever had, anything to do with infection or disease?
And what is the definition of hospitalisation, which most assume means taken to hospital in an ambulance unable to breathe – rather than picked it up in hospital and no or minor symptoms.
Indeed, I wish I could correct that line to “hospitalisation from the Chinese virus?”
A case of covid should be symptoms such as persistent cough, change in taste, temperature. These symptoms should be associated with signs of infection such as abnormal breath sounds, low saturations, high respiratory rate, elevated pulse rate. Confirmed by chest X-ray or CT showing ground glass appearance or other inflammation. Blood tests showing raised or lowered white cell count, inflammation markers such as CRP.
> Abnormal breath sounds, low saturations, high respiratory rate, elevated pulse rate
Hancock was showing those symptoms when he was caught on CCTV breaking his own rules.
But again, we run into the old, old elision – the confusion of a SARS CoV-2 infection with ‘Covid’.
Since when did a positive test result equate to a ‘covid infection’ for that is what the writer implies?
Indeed, we cannot give up on the language, or we give up on the argument.
The optimism (we could be like Denmark and hold off) maybe deluded but at least it’s comforting and kind and not the scared, blind, defensive and silent delusion – humans will do anything to survive and those of us who have remained disassociated from the lies and panic etc. also need hope. But pressed I have given up on the human race altogether- and find solace in other animals.
Run for the hills! Lock up ye daughters! Cover thy face! Wash thy hands and sing happy birthday thrice! cover thy infection hole with thy elbow! The winter miasma is upon us in Northern Europe! 😱☃️🚑
Not really. Insofar yesterday’s numbers go, the speed of the increase is already decreasing sharply, following the usual pattern of these outbursts of COVID actionism.
A couple of related observations:
Both suggest that the Very Impertinent People running the show know that COVID is over, they just don’t want to admit it yet.
It’s well known that the PCR test picks up pretty much everything as a positive, Coca-Cola and the Common Cold being just two of them. So you have a sniffle, take a test and bingo you have 10 days off work. It’s completely and utterly absurd. Time we stopped the testing and only test people when they have genuine symptoms. Let’s got off the bloody merry go round!
Agreed.
The problem is the scumbags in this Gov. are spinning the bloody thing as fast as they can!
Time to stop testing, full stop. If you have genuine symptoms, stay at home till you feel well again. The testing is such a weird phenomenon.
[citation needed]
Acidic agents, you’re thinking of lateral flow, not PCR.
Why do you “know” that PCR tests pick up common cold coronaviruses? Which shared RNA sequence is it amplifying?
I agree that 45 cycles is lunacy, but I have no issues with the specificity of it. This site, right here, pointed out that positive rates for 45 cycle PCR have bottomed out at 159 out of 208,730 tests (July 31st to September 10th 2020). You can argue that lab contamination could produce false positives, but over that period it demonstrably didn’t. If the test was picking up “pretty much everything” as a positive, it couldn’t have dropped to just 0.08%.
Facts and evidence matter. If we resort to what we “know” (i.e. feel) then we’re no better than Branch Covidians.
Yes. Good. Do you know whether fragments of spike from the stabs could show up in a pcr test? Is that theoretically possible?
Lots of double stabbed get symptomatic Covid, but could they produce false asymptomatic positives too?
We “could” “theorise” all day, but what we know is that PCR positive rates bottomed out at under 0.08%.
They “could” be picking up other things, at other times, but they weren’t during that period.
The only thing I’d theorise is that test hasn’t changed, while the Chinese Virus keeps mutating, so if anything is going to rise, it will be false negatives.
The PCR test looks for three different parts of the SARS-CoV-2 genome (or it is meant to, at one point this was one gene). The variation of the genome which shows as different variants is unlikely to be in those particular genes being detected by the PCR test. When does the genome change so much that it can no longer be considered SARS-CoV-2?
if it doubled on each cycle as supposed to.
1 sequence would become 2^45 sequences which is 2^32 (~4 billion) * 2^12 (~4000) 16,000 billion times…
Lets just say an positive that took 45 would be vanishingly unlikely to be harmful or even infectious.
Swilling around in our bodies with the other 300+ trillion viruses
I think the point is that we don’t know – either way. An RNA sequence is just that. Not a virus.
Or an illness… as the article on here about gamesmanship showed – governments have cheated by changing the rules
Yes you are right he is talking the completely useless flow tests. What can happen though with PCR it can pick up the dead fragments of coronavirus, while you are carrying another virus that is infectious.
Carl Heneghan explained the PCR test and all it’s limitations regarding diagnosing infectious CCP Virus to Clark and Hunts HOC committee’s last year, he even got a chance to speak to government once, where he got lied about and vilified by SAGE members. Hence the Hancock “outlier” putdown. I think Carl largely gave up after that.
The public has been lied to on a massive scale because serious coronavirus generates a response that is pretty unique. The 28 days after a dodgy test is complete hogwash.
The NHS website states that 876 people without comorbidities under 60 have died of covid-19 across the entire pandemic in England. There are around 44 million people in England in that age group. 876 out of 44,000,000, which is 0.0019%. That is all.
The vast majority of the 876 will have been obese, which really is an underlying condition.
Yes the have UNDIAGNOSED comorbidities, of course a post-mortem would normally be done to work out what they really died of but that’s gone out the window…
Handy that (for the coveruppers)…
I think you must be referring to “body positivity”.
I’ve used this figure many times to try to overcome the unbelievable fear level that this mess has managed to build up. Imagine Wembley full of this category of people? Two people have died in the entire 18 months. Not per week, per month – the entire period. Totally blown out of proportion 🙁
And probably ”with” it, because it was put down on their death certificates as the main cause of death, often when it wasn’t. ”Just ignore the tyre marks, nurse…..”
I wonder why The Netherlands has that additional peak in April, any thoughts?
Could be wrong, but my understanding is that they were running mass internment up until then and mass “tested” their way back to “freedom”.
Thanks for that explanation, it did look odd but that sounds plausible.
It wasn’t so much a peak in April, as an ongoing peak from end of January to early May. My own view was that it coincided with the vaxx roll-out. Started off quite slow in January and didn’t really pick up steam until some time in March. Only the elderly in care homes and health workers were vaxxed in the first round, then all elderly, then they started moving down the ages, very methodically. Fits in with a long, stretched-out peak.
Look at the extreme peak in June – 100% coincided with the push to get the 20-somethings vaxxed. They were pushing the J&J like crazy at the time. The initial advice was to wait 3 weeks after getting the vaxx, but because they wanted to use up J&J before batches started going off and having to be thrown away (just came out recently), min. of health told the young uns to take the jab and start partying away. Hence the huge peak. It was blamed at the time on the bars and night clubs being open again, resulting in superspreader events – utter nonsense, we have seen it enough times now that once a jabfest gets going, it is… Read more »
The point is that the justification for jabbing has to be massively convincing on all fronts to be even contemplated.
Simply – it isn’t. It’s not up to the sceptics to prove their case.
… and the peak was in January 2021. There was only a casedemic after that – no real ‘peak’.
Simply – it happens.
And, what the dickens is going on the UK???? Really, why are cases *so* high? Although that graph is a bit selective in the other countries included?
”Cases”? Do you mean positive test results?
The Lockdown Extremists are salivating at the thought of imposing vaccine passports on us. I reckon it will be end November “to save Christmas.”
Also, introducing this abomination at that time of year not only “saves Christmas” TM, but it also stops instant blowback on MPs because they are in holiday and reduces the possibility of protests because of Christmas and the weather. All of this will have been calculated by the regime,
Agreed, it’s nailed on. The Johnson junta is just seeing how badly the Scotch and Taffies are messing up their social credit score apps, so that they won’t make the same mistakes when they’re imposed in England.
I’ll add some collectivised ownership to the propaganda prediction: “Save Our Christmas, Protect Our NHS.”