Susan Michie, Professor of Health Psychology at UCL and a leading member of SAGE, says that mask-wearing and social distancing will need to stay in place “forever”, not only for Covid but also “to reduce other [diseases]”.
The top Government adviser and long-time member of the Communist Party of Britain (once nicknamed “Stalin’s nanny” because she tried to smuggle Communist literature into a political conference in a baby’s pram), told Channel 5 News that measures adopted by Brits over the past 14 months should now become a part of our “normal” routine behaviour, just as wearing car seat belts has become commonplace.
Vaccines are a really important part of pandemic control but it is only one part. [A] test, trace and isolate system, [as well as] border controls, are really essential. And the third thing is people’s behaviour. That is, the behaviour of social distancing, of… making sure there’s good ventilation [when you’re indoors], or if there’s not, wearing face masks, and [keeping up] hand and surface hygiene.
We will need to keep these going in the long term, and that will be good not only for Covid but also to reduce other [diseases] at a time when the NHS is [struggling]… I think forever, to some extent…
I think there’s lots of different behaviours that we have changed in our lives. We now routinely wear seatbelts – we didn’t use to. We now routinely pick up dog poo in the parks – we didn’t use to. When people see that there is a threat and there is something they can do to reduce that [to protect] themselves, their loved ones and their communities, what we have seen over this last year is that people do that.
This line – that “what we have seen over the last year is that people do that” – is faintly reminiscent of Professor Neil Ferguson’s comments when looking back to when Italy imposed a nationwide lockdown last February: “[China] is a communist one-party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with [lockdown] in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.” Professor Michie has realised that she – and the Government – can “get away with” telling people to continue abiding by Covid regulations.
Professor Michie continues:
I think that we can just begin to adopt routines. When we go out of the house, we check that we’ve got our phone, we’ve got our keys, we’ve got tissues, we’ve got a face mask in case we need to use it. It’s not going to be a huge big deal, the kind of behaviours that we are talking about.
Unsurprisingly, Channel 5 News made absolutely no effort to scrutinise these claims. The programme’s presenter raised no objection to the idea that mask-wearing and social distancing could continue “forever”, resorting only to friendly laughter. Professor Michie’s co-panellist, a fellow scientist at UCL, Dr Shikta Das, said: “I think Susan has made a very good point here,” adding that the vaccine roll-out has created a “false sense of security”. She concluded: “I don’t think we are yet ready to unlock.” How’s all that for balance! At last Ofcom won’t have any complaints about this programme.
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This filthy communist should be one of first to face the firing squad.
Hey, I love freedom. She can keep wearing her mask and avoiding people (she can start with me). But when she does (because death comes for us all), someone will have to point out to her family masks don’t stop aging.
After Hancock, Ferguson, Johnson, Witty and Valance
s.michie@ucl.ac.uk
Absolutely! Why are we listening to a communist? More to the point, why is a supposed Conservative party listening to one? Can you imagine what Mrs T would have made of this?
Can you imagine a Nazi being on Sage or even given air time on the TV!! Lets face facts, Communists killed an estimated 80 to 100 million people in the 20th century in Russia alone. The Nazis were chicken feed compared to these scum bags. Yet, we have one in a position of power at the heart of the decision making in our country, that is making people life’s hell. Just let that sink in, wake up people!!
I have a T Shirt with a picture of their hero Che pointing out that very fact. I get some interesting looks from folk who see the picture, think I’m one of them, then read the words!
Would love to buy one of those, do you have a link for the selling organisation please?
What possible explanation is there for letting this fucking retard anywhere near the levers of UK Government policy making?
This woman is insane.
Insane or not, she depressingly seems to have a lot of clout.
It’s like she’s beyond parody.
I feel like lockdown has been the love child of Michie and Ferguson, which explains why it has been so ugly, difficult and depressing.
Well, at least, these dangerous creatures are finally coming out of the shadows and revealing themselves in all their disgusting glory.
She’s not insane. She knows what she’s doing, and the adverse effects it has on people and society.
If anything, we should be taking most of what she says and so the opposite.
I fear you are right and that is even more scary.
I don’t think so. What she isn’t though is to be trusted.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to call this entire global fraud “EVIL”.
It’s way beyond a serious & organised crime. Nobody who isn’t a psychopath could plan for and then follow through as planned, resulting already, in U.K. alone, tens of thousands of AVOIDABLE deaths,
Once a person reconciles themselves with a course of action which will, with high confidence, result in 10,000 extra deaths, ask yourself this,
If they were then to make a decision which would ultimately result in many more deaths, would that be a problem for them?
They’ve already demonstrated that they’re willing to kill 10^5 people.
I contend such a person would have no compunction in making a decision which leads to the deaths of 10^9 people. None whatsoever.
Remember the famous Stalin quote?
“A single death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic”.
They’ve already done that and keep doing it, by continuing to deny access to health care (cancers, heart attacks, etc etc).
To be fair, I do agree that Susan Michie needs a face mask on forever
But, I’ve never seen her wear a face nappy ever… Wearing one would definitely be a vast improvement. Rich and on full salary, typical socialist/communist.
Two legs bad, 4 legs good.
But some of the animals were better than the others.
I’m sure I read somewhere that her family sold a Ptcasso for £40 million.
Hermetically sealed, please.
With a good solid gag attached.
How about a recycled dog poop bag?
Bucket over the head would be better.
A plastic bag, tight.
A mask full of shit stitched to her face with barbed wire.
I’ve noticed this with most commies- maybe it explains their vitriol.
Maybe Ms Michie would like to see more forced organ harvesting and bio-weapons labs too.
Don’t tempt her
Anyone know any assassins?
I think I may start a new career as a hit man. Little chance of being caught in my face mask disguise.
Start a GoFundMe page.
I’ll definitely contribute.
Ask Sam Vimes, who is no doubt well acquainted with the best operatives in the Guild of Assassins.
Perhaps a Mr Teatime would do the job?
Modest proposal…
Jab her with WuFlu first and it wouldn’t be murder as it would be a wIth-COVID death!
I despair. Again. What is the point with people like this “in charge”?
Who puts them in charge. Johnson. Why? Why does Toby’s mate, alleged libertarian, want to take us down the totalitarian route favoured by Mad Marxist Michie?
Precisely – Michie’s outmoded communist allegiances are a perfect distraction from the real villains.
She is one off the fucking villains even though she is not a Tory
Johnson didn’t put these people in place individually. They are selected by iirc the CMO and chief scientific adviser. Their state socialist authoritarian approach reflects the general leftist bias in academe as well as the particular ideological and personal goals of Whitty and Vallance, and their links to corporate healthcare.
But it’s Johnson’s fault he didn’t find people who aren’t interventionist, authoritarian state socialists to fill these roles (CMO and CSA), and his fault he continued to listen to them despite the clearly illiberal advice they were giving. Indeed a genuinely conservative leader would have ensured expert advisers were firmly kept in their box and not given celebrity platforms to allow them to drive policy.
But Johnson is neither conservative nor a leader. Just a weak soft leftist.
“it’s Johnson’s fault”
In fairness, it’s pretty clear now that a major player in pushing the regime to the state socialist totalitarian approach was Cummings.
And he seems not to be particularly ideologically state socialist, just authoritarian, and it just happened that the state socialist approach was easily to hand and suited his authoritarian and political ulterior motives on this occasion. Undoubtedly he’s not the only one to whom that applies.
Without huge state socialist structures like the NHS and SAGE and all the rest of the apparatus of big state socialism, and the attitudes that support them, power abusers like Cummings have less to work with, especially if protections against undue corporate power are also maintained. It’s not rocket science – libertarians have been pointing out for decades that the problem with conceding powers to the state is that sooner or later those powers will be in the hands of people who will abuse them. And so it came to pass for the NHS, and all the rest we have built in thrall to state socialism.
Libertarians (real ones, not plastic imitations like the ones who caved in to the coronapanic) are owed a massive apology, imo.
Boris Johnson knows. Hancock thinks he knows. Gove is a central player (only in U.K.: elsewhere he’s a nonentity).
Farrah is an important crook.
Hancock strikes me as the genuinely stupid one amongst them. Cunning and manipulative, but fundamentally not very bright. An overpromoted henchman, there only because of his loyalty to more powerful men.
This is good enough reason to kick off SAGE. She’s the most dangerous woman in the country. She seeks the collapse of our society. But of course, Johnson is quite happy to see the “extreme wing” of SAGE talk up the risk to health.
Communist believes liberty counts for nothing in the face of ideological and state goals dressed up as “the collective good”!?
Gee! Whodathunk?
What kind of idiot puts a communist in a position to influence government policy? Well, an idiot or a socialist fellow traveller I suppose.
So which of those applies to our current “Conservative” Party, who have allowed this state socialist (and others) to influence policy?
(Silly me -they’re both, of course.)
“What kind of idiot puts a communist in a position to influence government policy?”
The same Tory Party proto-fascists who put Johnson in charge of that policy.
Next question.
Justified as “saving the [state socialist] NHS”, and the fundamentally state socialist idea that the state must provide for the health of the population, paid for by magic money tree unlimited state spending.
Absolutely the same Tory Party, alongside the Labour Party and Green Party and Lib Dem and SNP etc etc. All pretty much in lockstep on lockdown and vaccines.
Because they are all run by people who at heart are state socialists who believe the state is responsible for our health and therefore has the duty and right to coerce us for that supposed end.
Wild simplistic generalisations from the back of a hobby horse.
It would be funny if the situation wasn’t so serious. It seems that the rationalists amongst us are fighting on both fronts against wild-eyed fanatics of all colours – the 77th Brigade can sit back and chuckle.
But it would have been even worse if Jeremy Hunt had become leader of the ‘Conservative’ Party. Just listen to his recent Commons speech about definitely ‘vaccinating’ children.
Indeed, and already huge numbers of pregnant women. There is no completed regulatory reproductive toxicology package.
Never in history have we taken experimental vaccines which, because of how they work, allows us no ability to reliably predict the mid to long term unwanted effects, and then administer it to those not at risk from the virus who are also vulnerable to terrible effects of the restrictions themselves.
Not once. The reason is that it’s impossible to predict with any confidence the outcomes in relation to clinical safety.
What’s happened already is reckless endangerment by some, and cold hearted mass murder by others.
You are a lefty twat
After the last century anyone who’s an international socialist should be treated the same as national socialists.
There should be no platform for marxists, the death toll is always too high.
Absolutely – an ideology that claimed millions of lives and decades of suffering of even more.
Is it 77thers calling for violence here? I suspect so. It helps their cause.
Nah just feel that way sometimes
I’m not 77th.
This is depressing beyond belief.
Can anyone suggest some actual practical useful things we can be doing right now?
Anyone? Serious question.
Do the marches need to become blockades instead?
Blockade what?
Vaccination centres?
Shut down the whole of central London with stationary cars?
What can we learn from French farmers (who from memory seem to be good at this kind of thing…)?
And most importantly, how do we, (as rational people who are likely not to have a criminal record) stand up for this without affecting our life chances with a conviction?
This is the question LS need to be move onto researching/ discussing/ inviting participation in.
Endlessly pouring over this slo-mo tragedy (I do every day) is not what we need at this point. Everyone reading this knows we are in the middle of something truly terrifying.
At this stage, we (us) need something positive to channel all this energy into.
Ideas?
individual pushbacks are useful for the individuals menal health however, critical mass is NOW required. the 14th, 21st and 26th-06 demonstrations will/could be differant from previous one’s. Be there-make it happen.
Bob, I agree. If we do not take back our freedoms very soon, it’ll be the end of human freedoms.
Unfortunately or fortunately the masses need to be made aware that there is pushback to the totalitarian terrors of this illegitimate dictatorship.
This is not happening due to censorship applied everywhere.
Ultimately, hopefully demos will become unignorable, and defiance of the panicker dictats will reach a critical mass, but we’re a long way from that atm.
Currently my focus is on building local/regional direct social contacts and trying to find local businesses run by sceptics to switch my custom to. Nothing much yet, though, on the latter, and we are still in the time when businesses have more to lose than to gain by coming out as sceptic, probably.
Keep on talking to people. You don’t need to get into arguments. Plant questions in their minds. When they offer the antiseptic sprays smile, shake your head: “It’s so funny isn’t it? I wonder why they’re still making us do that when science shows there’s less than a one in ten thousand chance of getting Covid by chance,”
Went into Phase Eight today in Market Harborough and was accosted by the manager and not allowed in as I said that I didn’t want sanitizer. It was necessary in case I touched the clothes apparently. I left, but I will never, ever return.
The criminal justice system is an important part of the control mechanism. If you stand up for liberty you are likely to be branded with the same stigma as serial rapists and thieves. Even a short sentence for a trivial offence will dog you for life as it will always be on a standard or enhanced DBS check so is never, in reality, spent. A lot of people on here talk a good fight but will never be prepared to stand by their principles to the extent risking a conviction.
I most certainly would risk it.
Then that tells me that they don’t yet understand the magnitude of the peril we’re in.
If they did then, like me, they’d recognise that if we don’t take back our freedoms, nothing else matters.
An interview I saw with Catherine Austin Fitts, a financial advisor in the USA stirred something very strongly inside me.
She said we have to make a choice – ‘what is more important to us – our freedom or our life.’
I choose freedom because without that, there is no meaningful life, not to me anyway.
You are right. It makes me wonder whether it is people like me, ancient so not relying on employment. It makes me shiver but I have been saying to myself since last year “be strong and very courageous”. Not wearing a mask and refusing the vaccine was a start but I have felt a long time I should do more.
Please consider watching my interview on “Highwire” last night.
To the best of my ability, I have demonstrated that every central narrative point about this virus is a lie.
Scores of countries simultaneously imposed measures explicitly recommended against in each government’s pandemic preparedness plans.
Everywhere, intense levels of oppressive censorship was imposed & this is still largely in place.
Science and medicine have been bought.
“Science and medicine have been bought, ” indeed and to a lesser extent so has the justice system.
Mike,
Your highwire interview really is excellent, but:
From 2′ 54.25 onwards briefly, you speculate on an area that is completely outside any area of expertise. Which is why I can’t forward this on to people that might otherwise be very interested in what you have to say up to that point.
Breaking the logic as you put it: “killing people” can be achieved far more simply. Once you have a totalitarian OWO (as you reasonably speculate), you can sterilise, enforce one-child policies or pretty much whatever else you want (just take people away?), and which achieves precisely the same objective in any case. But without the emotional spasm of those particular words… Hence, continuing to break the logic – it’s the creation of the world-wide ID card that leads towards totalitarianism. That’s the real danger. At that point, our world has changed forever, and controlling the number of humans world-wide will be but one aspect of that future. It would obviously be an evolutionary cul-de-sac for any existing sovereign nation state to go first on anything such as “killing its own people”, hence the OWO concept must come first in such a scenario.
I guess you’ve chosen those words deliberately and have your target audience in mind? Perhaps just not the “rational / ripe to be converted” types that I might otherwise have forwarded this on to. Shame, because the rest of it is excellent.
Reiner Fuellmich also mentions covid-genocide. He has interviewed two former investment bankers who told him that Europe’s pension funds are completely empty. The elitist Davos clique, who are responsible for the Great Reset, are also responsible for the empty pension funds and would rather people not be around to find out. That’s where these dodgy jabs/boosters come into play.
Just finished watching your excellent interview with Del Bigtree. Thank you for having the courage to take a stand against the blatant evil unfolding around us, and for explaining things so clearly. Thank you for your integrity in speaking out.
I have forwarded the video to my nearest and dearest who are weakening over their stance. This will certainly inspire them to resist. Knowledge is power.
Link please Mike – I can’t find it!
Recording as much as you can – who does what, who says what – use it as evidence later.
Going round Michie’s house and giving her ‘a talking to’?
Problem is these days, everyone is tracking themselves carrying their mobile phones. Your vehicle is tracked by cameras. CCTV cameras just everywhere. Unless you behave you will be identified as a non-conformer and will have to face the consequences.
How many comments here are being monitored and reported to ‘the authorities’?
Conspiracy Theorists 10 – 0 Media Sheeple
It’s not even half time yet!
Nothing theoretical about it
Why does anyone even listen to a fanatical communist extremist? Let her wear face nappies and distance if she wants, but there’s no point in it for sane people.
Does she know something we don’t?
Lots of good chances for jokes here. Here goes…
She should wear one 24/7…clearly she’s a danger to herself.
…Ok, not great but I tried.
I’m imagining her on Masternomind.
Susan your chosen subject is telling other people what to do.
Mumble/incoherent reply.
Correct.
GFY.
And the people already behave otherwise and vote with their feet.
My electricians who came in today didn’t even bother, nor did I, of course.
Mrs Bee reported back from her gym that only 1 person came in with a mask today.
lucky Mrs Bee. Do that in my gym and they’ll not let you in (I’ve tried it)
and yet you still go there.
Local little cafe – no masks or fuss, delivery driver – no mask, builders – no masks, window cleaner – no mask. Greengrocer stallholders – no masks. All today.
Same with the joiner who came to ours today. And everyone in my local newsagents.
She’s deranged alright, but I don’t think she has that much influence. I imagine Johnson listens to Whitty and Vallance and ignores nutcases like Michie. But from what I’ve seen many people where I live would wear clown shoes all day to ‘prevent COVID’ if they were told to by her.
I wouldn’t bet on how much influence she has.
She was in the Guardian a couple of weeks before the mask mandate was imposed, blathering on about how face masks should become embedded in the culture.
Don’t underestimate her influence, or malevolence.
Yep, Laura Dodsworth explains in her book how Michie is one of the most respected in her field. She has a lot of clout.
Which makes me wonder what she is up too here. Is she setting us up in some way, getting the mood music out before the 21st?
A State of Fear by Laura Dodsworth is excellent. A real eye opener…and I thought I knew quite a bit! If only we could get everyone to read it.
“I think there’s lots of different behaviours that we have changed in our lives.”
Changing behaviour is fine when it’s voluntary, you obnoxious totalitarian busybody.
When it’s imposed by law or through the use of consent manufactured by massive propaganda and behavioural manipulation, it’s evil.
Which, ergo, is what you are.
The trouble with all these evil authoritarian types is that they believe if they are unable to persuade they’re justified in coercing, based on the flimsiest of supposed justifications.
We need a party and a movement that resists the idea that the state has responsibility for and therefore power over our health and well-being.. At the moment all of the established parties are on board with this evil.
I think it’s possible to decide that as a society we get better value for money if we have state funded/run healthcare so we would naturally expect to get something for our money. The trouble starts when the state ceases to be a provider of a service that we pay for and starts to micromanage our lives in order to “protect” the service. It’s arse about face. Whether one thing leads inevitably to the other is debatable
Certainly the USA had its fair share of madness
“I think it’s possible to decide that as a society we get better value for money if we have state funded/run healthcare “
I accepted that argument for a while.
But as we’ve had demonstrated beyond any further question, once we concede that our health is the business of the state, in the end it will become the nanny state nightmare that it has on this occasion.
It can get a whole lot worse, as well…
“Certainly the USA had its fair share of madness“
The US has a vast bureaucracy dedicated to interfering in public health. The details are different but it’s the same kinds of people with the same kinds of attitudes driving the policy.
Probably the subtle but important distinction that the NHS is there to fix us when we go wrong but has no remit to try and run our lives, even if it does make us healthier, is lost on people. What makes me so cross is that let’s say we as a country decide we want to save more lives, cure people of diseases earlier etc etc, and so we decide to spend more on the NHS – that’s a rational choice though you may disagree with the forced levying of taxes to achieve it – if you’d spent even a tenth of the money that ha been pissed up the wall on covid nonsense you’d get better returns. So it’s not just unethical, it’s plain daft.
Sweden managed it, though they are an outlier.
People seem to have forgotten what freedom is. I guess it goes in cycles.
“Probably the subtle but important distinction that the NHS is there to fix us when we go wrong but has no remit to try and run our lives,“
When has that line ever been held? Remember the seatbelt laws? As soon as anyone pointed out that it was solely the business of the person taking the risk, the immediate response was “they impose costs on the NHS”.
Comically, that was one of the first responses here when I made that point a year or so ago. It’s inherent in state healthcare.
It does seem to drift that way, yes
Comically – when you’ve got some right-wing hobby horse jockey trying on the seat belt analogy, you know you’ve left Planet Earth. Monochrome counterparts to Susan Michie pose no solutions at all.
Strange. I just gave you a thumbs up for your comment and it gave you a thumbs down instead!
Please explain why it’s OK to impose the wearing of seat belts, but nothing else? The state will never stop at any one point and will continue to impose more and more legislation ‘for our own good’. You can’t get a little bit pregnant.
To which I point out that following that logic, all amateur sports, hiking, rock climbing, cycling, etc. should also be banned.
Well said.
Getting better value for money from people who coerce money from you and lower your choice is NEVER going to give as much value for that wealth as deciding from a range of providers.
The NHS rations out the lowest quality of treatment and is funded in the worst way (income taxes, i.e fines for productivity) and encourages the worst health outcomes because someone else will subsidise the unhealthy…
The NHS is a nightmare, but in fairness so is the US model.
Most of our problems seem to come from over-mighty state or over-mighty corporations, and especially when the two get together.
How to find a way to exclude the state, support small businesses and families – the core of any healthy civilisation, and encourage genuine charity rather than fake coerced tax-funded state-mediated “charity”?
Instead of coercing incomes the state does not create Try (charging for state products) (i.e. taxing) title (Copyrights, Patents and Land-Title).
It’s what Adam Smith would want.
I’ve been saying this since 1983 when seat belt wearing became law. I never argued that you shouldn’t wear one, just that it was no-one else’s business- certainly not the state’s. The abuse I’ve received has been sadly predictable- one woman asked what I would say to the parents of someone who was killed after being hit by a driver being thrown through the windscreen! I replied that I would offer my sympathies to the world’s unluckiest person, and asked how anyone stood so close to a car crashing at speed would still be alive to be killed in this fashion. She walked away shaking her head. You can’t reason with such people, and such people seem to be all around us.
Pharmaceutical companies and conventional medicine, on the whole, don’t want to cure you of most things. If you take something that cures you, you can stop taking that medicine. It’s all about disease management. You are given medicines to take to alleviate symptoms, rather than cure you, but you have to keep taking them. That makes huge profits.
The vast majority of the UK population is deficient in Vitamin D, for example. If that were addressed, then winter surges would be a thing of the past. Increasing the number of nurses and doctors is not going to stop people getting winter colds etc.
Unfortunately the best way to get your Vitamin D is naturally from the sun (when that’s possible) rather than supplements. In the UK we only get enough sunlight during the day in summertime, and where do most people have to be at that time? At work, inside a building. So this is one that’ll never properly be resolved…
Supplements do work though.
Correct!
Robert Fripp once observed
“Tuning a Mellotron doesn’t”
My version: Public Health isn’t.
They tell you to eat the most profitable food so you then need the most profitable drugs. When veganism is mandated this will become an order of magnitude worse..
If you Eat Real Food and go out in the sun you shouldn’t need supplements. They tell you not do do either, and not take vitamins or other supplements, but statins and vaccines are completely safe. And of course covid means two vaccines are nit enough, you will need boosters every six month forever.
Meanwhile new antibiotics are not considered profitable enough to develop. Yet they are probably going to ban beef.
100%.
Scientists don’t generally diagnose evil. But having used my knowledge, experience & judgement to interpret the most important narrative points, and finding every one of them to be a lie, with resulting massed deaths, no other word will do.
“It’s not going to be a huge big deal, the kind of behaviours that we are talking about.”
Well – let’s face it, only a certifiable sociopath could say that.
Trouble is, there’s too many who fall into the trap of thinking her political bollocks is significant. It’s a distraction : there are sociopaths all over the political spectrum.
April Fools…!
Hahahahaahahaaahahhaahaa. Oh do please fuck off you insane old coot.
To be fair to the presenter there she stopped her on the “forever” statement and then laughed when the Michie thing confirmed her thoughts.
Such is the ridiculousness of her mind farts even a 17 year old C5 “News” presenter can see through the suggestion.
Silly bint.
Susan Michie should be exiled to Michael Moore’s underpants.
This hag needs to be sectioned, asap. How on earth do such halfwits manage to gain such lofty positions in public life?
as they say, it’s not what you know but who you know.
My speciality is communication, using language that people will easily understand; so, fuck off, you abhuman, no-life bell end.
Directions for Michie
I wish this creature dead, I make no apology.
Yes, and a few others too.
There you have it folks, as if you didn’t already know, Medical Marxism is staring you right in the face, as well as covering it.
Have no feelings of guilt, conscience, or remorse, in pushing back against this evil, evil ideology.
Nice to prove that communists are really supportive of gagging, shaming and humiliating the general public. Always thought they were total bastards, funny how they make out they are for the good of the people. Orwell understood perfectly.
She’s a so called Psychologist but doesn’t give a flying toss about the mental health and Psychology of the people she lords it over. The world has indeed gone insane. Why is anyone even listening to this stupid creature?
When the world is run by psychopaths, the world goes mad.
When people say this sort of thing there should be a full analysis of the benefits and costs, not just a few cherry picked advantages that often don’t have any actual scientific evidence behind them.
In the case of seatbelts and dog-poo-picking I’m happy to accept that there are few downsides to the custom, apart from a small number of people getting a tiny bit cross.
In the case of masking and social-distancing the long-term negative consequences are likely to be significant, particularly given that we are a social animal.
There’d be few downside to requiring seatbelts on sofas too…
The vital problem with enmasking the population is that they only scare people, they do NOT prevent harm (in fact a long term mask wearers report lots of facial problems, consistent coughs etc.).
She should just put a plastic bag over her head, tie it tightly and have done with it – make us all a bit happier.
I’ll happily pop round and tie it for her. If she lives in London I’ll crowd fund the fair and donate the rest to a counter advertising campaign as I’m sure it would raise a fair bit more than the fair!
I just sent an email to Professor Michie, comparing her to the late and unlamented Elena Ceausescu, with her spurious degrees and awards. An automatic reply informed me that she is ‘on semi-holiday until June 14th’ and is only dealing with essential matters before that. This fills me with foreboding rather than relief. Who the hell selects these unelected figures on SAGE?
Why is she still on SAGE? Answer: because somebody who controls SAGE membership actually wants this evil spoken.
I’m closer than ever now to believing in a full on conspiracy. Mere stupidity and arse covering could not have led us this far.
I’ve been convinced they decided to turn it into a conspiracy for at least a year. I’m not sure they intended it to be from the beginning i.e. invented Covid and unleashed it in order to get what they wanted. However, Governments around the world have undoubtedly seen it as an opportunity and have colluded to do the same things and say the same things. The very fact they all did it without telling the people makes it a de facto conspiracy.
I think they’ve not got plans just opportunity scenarios to exploit (at our loss and their gain).
“How’s all that for balance?”
Well, in the words of Bob Dylan:
You know it balances on your head just like a
Mattress balances on a bottle of wine!
Currently watching the semi finals of the World Pool Championships from Milton Keynes with spectators. No testing required to attend, and facemasks not required (or in evidence. Mind you, everyone seems to have a drink in front of them).
This is the first day that spectators have been allowed in, mainly because the arena area has been full of pool tables. Makes a huge difference to the atmosphere.
The video is worth watching in full? Are you trying to induce brain bleed in skeptics?
With thanks to the NZ commentator who had originally posted this:
‘Be mindful the SAGE Group Paper she is a party to having written in March and dated 22 March 2020 was never ever peer reviewed.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/8874…
Here’s another document to familiarize oneself with that Susan Michie is involved with.
The Behaviour Change Project
https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-122
Read it for your own benefit. It’s frightful.’
My personal opinion is she is just another NWO project team member who has sold their soul either willingly or by blackmail.
Those are definite must reads!
Both links appear to have gone.
That’s worrying. Probably about ’77’ reasons why links are now broken.
Google still links to her work with the EU project ‘Inherit’ planning our future for 2040
This one has been archived (last on May 15, so the original page must have been removed within the last few weeks).
https://web.archive.org/web/20210515120631/https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-122
Nice one Steve! Thanks
If you look for “the behaviour change project susan michie” in Google there are tons of links including a video.
Can’t imagine she ever had a soul.
Oh look, the Wellcome Trust again…
Yes. Farrar is a highly placed crook.
Fucking evil bitch!!
Sorry, I don’t normally use language like that but these people make my blood boil!!
Totally justified. In fact if I wasn’t such a well brought up old lady, I’d go much further.
Quite frankly these bastards ruling us today, especially the unelected ones (we can kick the elected out) would force God himself to swear let alone Jesus, the holy Ghost, Saint Theresa and the Pope! The Archbishop of Canterbury though probably has the creature on his quick dial!
Don’t forget Mary, Joseph and the wee donkey
We are in dire need of an anti-corruption unit, AC -19, to deal with bent politicians and bent scientists.
On the one hand this kind of lunacy might serve to move the Overton Window, on the other it might be helpful for her to be honest about her agenda as it may make waverers realise what they are dealing with
OK comrade Michiekov. Here’s the gun, the baton, the uniform. Go enforce!
Didn’t think so.
Other diseases? What other diseases? What else is going to be let out of a lab? The daft cow has reached the zenith of victim blaming. Someone creates a new virus, is then stupid or evil enough to let it out of a lab. Fortunately it doesn’t turn out to be any more deadly than the flu. However, the government then splashes all our money (plus that yet to be earned by our children and grandchildren) so their mates get rich. Meanwhile the population is kept under house arrest, denied medical treatment and then used as lab rats.
If another outbreak is planned, then the rule book goes out of the window.
The whole lot of them need jailing, after a public flogging.
I heard Johnson earlier in the week talking about how we need global pandemic preparedness because we don’t know when more zoonotic vrisus may emerge.
Well, maybe close down the mengele labs for a start. Psycho
The human race has been paddling around with zoonotic viruses since we were amoebae, as it were. I can’t see it being more of an issue now than it ever has been before.
Therefore the biggest threat is man made ie experimentation, and someone is now marketing that threat for gain, I don’t doubt. Active transference across species has definitely come about due to brewing up vaccines on animal substrates, eg SV40 from apes, but that’s all covered up.
This is a very important post. Agree completely.
Those who say “ah, but we weren’t travelling around the planet before”, fail to understand that this REDUCES the risks to the population, because it maximises the numbers who become immune.
We can’t reproduce the set of circumstances as applied when Western European’s first brought infectious diseases to America,
Nowadays, there’ll always be substantial prior- or cross-immunity in the population..
Like the one we had before all this madness- the one just about every government on Earth threw out of the window?
She’s done really well out of capitalism, like all the best communists. I actually hate her.
That’s what I keep saying – they’re all for an ideology that they never had to live through nor experience. A communist/marxist whilst living comfortable life here, in the West.
Colonel Rosa Klebb
A worrying sign for this site : pointless, repetitious insults here about Michie far outnumber insightful comments on most other items.
Michie is willing to destroy every single thing that makes human life worthwhile- including mine – for ever. My reaction to that is violent rage and hatred, and I feel utterly justified in that.
Likewise, Jo.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Perhaps we should change our Facebook avatars in protest? That’ll show her!
I think the ghastly hag has been saying this for some time.
She can go on saying it till she bites herself and dies of the poison.
LOL! What happens to the birth rate if you’ve got premanent social distancing and face masks forever?
It crashes to virtually zero, which I don’t believe is unintentional. Many lockdown zealots are also true believers in the climate cult.
what an odd woman – seems like attention seeking to me
fair player to the interviewer – she laughed and cut her off
I encountered Michie’s cookbook of behavioural interventions studying behavioural science recently . She is clearly a benevolent authoritarian whereas the economic side of behavioural science emphasises “libertarian paternalism”. Both are deeply disturbing creeds for me as a left libertarian. At the end of the day Michie, Reicher and others are meddling neurotics with a protective grandiose complex who are also benefiting from massive exposure and funding. With the exception of a few such as Robert Dingwall and Paul Dolan these people are using behavioural science in a thoroughly unethical way.
“libertarian paternalism”
An oxymoron, unless rather unusual definitions are being used.
The whole point of libertarianism is that you can’t restrict people’s liberties as you would those of a child, not even for their supposed own good.
I suspect the problem is in your use of libertarian here, since paternalism seems appropriate to behavioural manipulation (“nudging”).
Mark Lib Pat is not my work it’s that of Cass Sunstein who along with Richard Thaler is the academic overlord of nudging. Ii is I suppose an example of cakeism but liberty and paternalism I agree cannot be easily reconciled.
I suspect it’s probably a confusion (intentional or not) of libertarian with limited government old liberalism.
“Benevolent”. I’m sure most people think of themselves as benevolent, some might well be. I’m not sure it should be looked upon as a qualification for being in more or less unfettered charge of other people or things.
If she and others want to wear a mask in public places ‘forever’, that is entirely up to them. We (used to) live in a free country. But they must not force their, um, ‘health choices’ on others.
haha just because most men would voluntarily socially distance themselves from this ghastly woman, she wants to give back to society by depriving the rest of us what she lacks.
How does one get on SAGE? More importantly, how badly does one have to be wrong and politically motivated in their pronouncements to be tossed off SAGE?
You know what’s mind blowing? She’s one SAGE.
World renowned epidemiologist Professor Gupta isn’t. Does that not explain the past year in one easy comparison?
Here’s an illustration:
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06/tom-jefferson-the-uk-turns-to-witty-vallance-and-van-tam-for-leadership-revolving-doors/
Channel 5’s presenter laughs along with giggling Michie and the happy-to-be-on-telly Dr Shikta Das. Not one question about how psychotic their plans are.
Much like Grant Shapps whenever he speaks, or Dr Richard Taylor (neither of whom are communists it should be remembered), smirking, laughing, even guffawing as they make criminally insane pronouncements seems par for the course.
They are cunts.
the grinch of covid
Masks don’t work with coronavirus.
Everyone should share this video:
Masks: The Science & The Myths (Dr. Leee Merritt)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaBLKKXJt4
Michie also goes on to pontificate about shorter commutes, working locally and what is good for the environment. She is advising sage in her capacity as a health physiologist so what on earth does she think gives her the right or the qualifications to start preaching about the environment and future working practices?
Once we concede the right to busybody to busybodies, why would you ever expect them to stop busybodying?
Did any of those moronic MP’s have the wherewithal to ask the plank Handycock what the false positive rate is for the PCR test is. Thought not
When these dunces voted for The Coronavirus Act they committed crimes against humanity
Needless to say their enquiry into themselves will exonerate them
Makes no difference to me, I don’t wear one anywhere and don’t plan to start. The sheeple of course will be happy to be muzzled forever and continue paying for their little blue face nappies from China. However, if they are to remain a must have I shall be lobbying my MP that the local authorities must be made responsible for their disposal with designated collection sites, incineration and hefty £1000 on the spot fines for anyone dropping such biohazardous in the street or placing them in their household waste.
People leave them lying on the courts at our tennis club. The volunteer lady that collects the rubbish and disposes of it is in her 70s, tiny, and has to walk half a mile with the rubbish to her car, and take it home to dispose of in her own bins as the club is in the middle of grassland and not accessible by car/bin lorry. I’d love to point this out to those members who leave their toxic waste lying around, but I have not caught one in the act yet.
Why not leave a note in the changing rooms.
Come on Dr Reiner Fuellmich, I want these crooks and psychopaths to face judgement.
I’ve provided numerous depositions to his Corona Committee because if my messages develop sufficient traction that they can ignore me, I will likely be assassinated.
Strange though it’ll sound, that is precisely my strategy.
I’ve made is clear that I will not stop. I’m capable of unusual levels of determination. It’s the characteristic which underscores my prior successes in science.
Reiner told me that “whistleblowers are at maximum risk when they stop speaking out & that continuous action is the best protection you can get. Stop & you’ll probably disappear”.
Please don’t stop speaking out, firstly for your own safety if Reiner is correct, but also to keep people like us sane and hearing the truth.
Never trust someone who says ‘behaviours’ in the plural.
True, maybe she should look at her own behaviour first.
I think that most Reds have a sentimental regard for their own kith and kin, combined with a pathological hatred of everyone else. This hideous woman is a prime example. Anyone who can slot seatbelts and dog poo into the same category as shunning other people and hiding the face from them is seriously deranged.
Behavioural scientist? Behave yourself you silly person!
Michie and many of the other members of SAGE/Independent SAGE are useful instruments of oligarchical power. They will be dropped as rapidly as they were picked up. They are very ordinary academics who have suddenly found themselves in demand by politicians and the media. They are clearly relishing the attention. It is cathartic to have a two-minutes hate over Michie, Sridhar or the hapless Richard Taylor but the real enemy sits deeper and won’t be torn to pieces by an angry mob when the tide turns finally.
Agreed, but they’re dragged from their gardens to speak in front of their full bookshelves to fill TV airtime – and presumably have an influence as they are seldom seriously interrogated. If these well paid mouthpieces are willing to face a ravenous pack ‘when their time comes’, more fool them. Catharsis is psychologically useful in our boiling pot.
I’m sorry but I think this is all an irrelevance and that Michie and her fellow members of SAGE are simply distracting extras in the play. The principal actor is the Prime Minister and the script was written years ago.
Professor Michie smiles quite a lot in this interview. I could be reading too much into it – it could just be nervousness. But my sense is that she smiles with professional satisfaction at what she is knowingly doing. She’s a behavioural scientist after all, and knows exactly what she is doing – manipulating the general public. It’s in keeping with the stick / carrot approach of the Government during the past year or so. Clearly Michie, like Neil Ferguson and others, has been assigned to play bad cop – “we may need to socially distance forever”. But then other more moderate voices – Professor Robert Dingwall, Tim Spector and others – will be wheeled out to push for our freedoms, giving us hope for the future. It’s all designed to keep us all in a heightened sense of alert, to be fearful and worried, hanging off every Government pronouncement, while still maintaining some hope that this can soon end if only we keep the rules – and in so doing we are more likely to be compliant. This is a psychological assault which has been waged upon the British public for 15 months now and continues unabated. If the mainstream media were truly independent and really cared, they wouldn’t be giving Michie and the others a platform to spread their “opinions”. But the media are hand in glove complicit.
Monty Pythons communism quiz
https://youtu.be/vZ9myHhpS9s
This is better…so much…
Niqab for choice.
Insecurity takes many forms.
Should we all start wearing crash helmets and protective gear whilst walking down the street too?
Lot’s of people end up in hospital every year from doing just that.
This woman is typical of the snobs that were covered in the article here the other day. They genuinely believe the rest of us are unclean and have been waiting for an excuse to have us all sealed away from them. Scumbag
She won’t be laughing when she hears they’re changing the hospital testing criteria now. 15 months too late, but at least it looks like we’ll know who’s going into hospital with or of..
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1403003982994284551
She needs to be silenced permanently, along with Whitty, Vallance, Hancock, BJ and the other liars.
“Terminate with extreme prejudice.”
Is that not the correct procedure?
“When people see that there is a threat…”
I can certainly see a threat, and I’m not talking about a manufactured virus.
At least the presenter had the good sense to laugh at her. On The BBC, her insane bullshit would have been greeted with solemn reverence. It’s time to start making fun of these people I say.
How is a known communist advising our government…oh right thats part of the plan.
How about a big fat NO to masks, i havent been wearing them since November since I finally woke up to the big fat lies of our leaders!
Still at least people are realising. In the local bakery today where they still only allow 2 people in the shop, the assistant told off these two men for coming in to make it three and one turned around and said, do we live in Nazi Germany? Yes sadly we now do.
Boycott the bakery!
This cunt needs burning alive.
Communist and psychopath. She’d be happier in N Korea
They used to burn witches. Maybe we can consider if that should become part of our behaviour ? It’s as scientific as her nonsense. Maybe we could burn her and see if she melts. If she does not we can stick her in a mask and say she is not a witch as she never died. Job done
Actually a bag over the head of this vile creature might work as well as a face whatever.
Hey Susan. What type of mask and in what setting and for what disease ? No ? Nothing to add ? Prick.
I can’t bear to watch this. Was there any mention whatsoever of the immune system and its function i.e. it’s there to allow us to carry on life without having to be overly obsessed by viruses and bacteria? Or how the world has managed to get as populated as it is at the moment without permanent widespread face mask wearing up until 2020? Or how the function of the upper respiratory tract immune system would be impacted by permanent covering of the entry point to it i.e. the nose? I would imagine the answer will be no.
I would imagine you’re right.
Grotesque as the lady is, she is saying what we all know is quite likely to happen.
Once you allow yourself to be treated like a bio-weapon and put under arbitrary house arrest by the state, you will put up with anything – masks, lockdowns, mandated tests, vaccines, no foreign travel, the lot. For as long as they want, which will be forever.
They know it, we know it.
Is this woman insane or evil? Discuss!
So what the fuck were the vaccines for?
To buy time to set up the 5G system – once that’s running every single thing you do will be monitored. Just wait ’til a camera in every room of your home is demanded. Think that’s fantasy?
Time is running out, and people are fiddling.
But who dare speak what’s really in their minds?
This woman is EVIL. End of story.
This moronic woman is clearly not following the science. Maybe Matt Hancock, who always does of course, should have a cautionary word with her.
Masks may hide facial features but perhaps she would also use the only safe method of avoiding transmission and remove herself from our airwaves . For goodness sake she is a psychologist not a clinician and is a dangerous individual for our society; the media must be stopped from interviewing these individuals and turn to the Great Barrington Declaration group / evidence is they are correct!
So angry. Can’t speak.
We’ve known for years that wearing of typical medical masks have absolutely no impact on transmission of respiratory viruses. Some types of masks (cloth/homemade) result in increased levels of lab confirmed respiratory tract illnesses.
Be aware that this person has no training or practise in matters to do with biological sciences.
This is like asking Fred Dibnah for predictions on trends in fashion.
And Fred would have been more accurate in his predictions!
A friend knew Fred Dibnah. He reckoned that in real life he was just the same as on TV, except for more liberal use of the F-word. He was so knowledgeable as to become quite boring when he was in his cups.
Makes me wonder what Michie is like in real life. Imagine her as a mother.
Fuckin hell – how far are we stretching the bounds of imagination?
At least Fred was good television and a proper Gent.
Somebody please tell this woman Michie that life is NOT to be spent avoiding diseases! It’s for truly living, making the most out of each day, fulfilling in whichever way you find best. And that’s what I’m now back to doing, whatever Johnson says. Masks and distancing have no place in my life thank you.
But that’s not how Communists think. They are are danger to our way of life- always have been.
Hopefully anyone watching those two will sus that they are obviously absolutely bats!! I have never taken notice of what she said and never will!!
Who is she to decide what is and isn’t a big deal? The arrogance and conceit with which this hitherto unknown academic is allowed to pontificate and spout her rules for how others should go about their lives takes my breath away.
Perhaps someone would like to lock her in a sealed room with asbestos and anthrax for a few days, obviously with her mask. The particles in both of these are larger than those of the virus so a Government sanctioned bit of cloth face covering should provide her with all the life saving kit she needs.
Perhaps she would like to volunteer to do it just so she can prove her point
This mad woman must have been to Peppa Pig’s school:
https://youtu.be/B6C5-x4gllE
I’ve provided numerous depositions to Reiner Fuellmich’s Corona Committee because if my messages develop sufficient traction that they can ignore me, I will likely be assassinated.
Strange though it’ll sound, that is precisely my strategy.
I’ve made is clear that I will not stop. I’m capable of unusual levels of determination. It’s the characteristic which underscores my prior successes in science.
Reiner told me that “whistleblowers are at maximum risk when they stop speaking out & that continuous action is the best protection you can get. Stop & you’ll probably disappear”.
Absolutely – can confirm from my childhood in the former Eastern bloc.
Please do not stop!
At the risk of seeming like a teenage fan, thank you for all you have done and said and continue to do and say. Thank you for being with us on here.
God bless.
I know that I will be preaching to the converted but here are a few of my thoughts.
That this interview and Michie’s views can provoke such a visceral response pretty much tells you all you need to know about the inherent value of what she had to say. That socialising – whether at home, in a pub, or shopping – should be seen as something that is potentially dangerous rather than a normal function of human behaviour is a rejection of our common humanity. It is utterly divorced from our lived experience up to March 2020 and ultimately seeks to sew division, suspicion, and fear by encouraging people to permanently view each other as potential carriers of disease and death.
She sees masks, etc. as an expression of virtue and solidarity. She lays claim to a higher kind of morality that she is handing down to us like a modern day Moses handing down a new set of commandments. However, the truth is that her vision of the future, her philosophy, is inherently misanthropic. What she wants to see as a ‘new normal’ actually impairs perfectly normal human interactions and ultimately damages human relations and relationships. To compare masks to seat-belts is disingenuous and, quite frankly, if she really believes that they are equivalent then she is stupid. However, I suspect this is less about stupidity and more about promoting an agenda and saying whatever it takes to implement it.
Let’s be absolutely clear: Michie and her ilk are the enemy. A virus may be an invisible enemy but these prophets of doom are not. We know who they are. They are the enemy of any right-minded persons who value liberty, human relationships, courage, and happiness. We must reject their vision of society for what it is; fear-driven, authoritarian, and anti-humanity. Their vision must be confronted in the realm of ideas and also by rejecting the imposition of restrictions. The 21st June must be seen as the day we all say ‘enough is enough’. The most visual way of sending out this message is to stop wearing a mask / face covering (if you have not done so already), because masking has become the primary demonstration of our subjugation to this fear. Unmasking forever rather than masking forever must be our response from 21st June.
I wouldn’t want to be within 6 kilometres of her never mind 6 metres! And if she insists on wearing a mask forever, at least it will hide her ugly Commie mug!
The frightening thing is that she and people like her are effectively ruling the country now and no questioning of their policies is allowed in the press and media under OFCOM rules.
Once a dirty stinkin commie, always a dirty stinkin commie.
TO THE GULAG!!
A commie chosen to advise. Why not add a mass murderer to SAGE? Or somebody from a mental home.
You couldn’t make it up, the mess the clown Johnson and his gang (and pathetic Labour) have made of this relatively inconsequential virus. If ever there was a reminder that Government, especially Big Government is the number one danger to your health and wealth, this whole Covid fiasco is it.
Hateful, spiteful old hag. Go back to Russia – though I doubt that they’d want her either.
They would appreciate her lolly. Not that she would surrender it for the benefit of others you understand.
Sorry Susan I’m really bad at forming new habits and it takes me years to catch up with new trends. It took me 10 years before I picked up Harry Potter so for this how about never!
Well that ugly commie cow certainly needs a mask
Basil Fawlty had a moment when he exclaimed:
“My god, you’re ugly”
whilst looking at a nurse.
This is exactly what I said when I saw the picture ATL.
Has there ever been a virus in the history of the world that has required permanent change in behaviour from the whole world?
Quite.
Its clear some members of the SAGE committee are so left wing that their objective is to destroy our economy and way of life. Their advice has little to do with Covid or the current data or accurate science. I still see very little benefit in testing the asymptomatic except to swell the profits of big pharma selling the test kits. Calling positive tests without symptoms cases is the wrong use of the word. Cases become cases when there are symptoms which need treatment, so if we used English correctly the situation would be so much better than the government scare propaganda would have us believe. It would be good if LDS gave the daily percentage of deaths due to Covid and a rough estimate of the number of deaths due to the effects of lockdowns, which I suspect would be far higher.