Hancock Sets Out Vaccination Plan
The Government has published its ‘UK COVID-19 Vaccines Delivery Plan‘ and the Health Secretary gave a press conference alongside Professor Stephen Powis on Monday stating that 2.3 million people have been given at least one dose of a vaccine so far and explaining his plan to continue rolling out the biggest mass vaccination programme in history. The BBC reports:
The vaccine delivery plan says it is expected to take until spring to give a first dose to all 32 million people in the UK’s priority groups, including everyone over 55 and those who are clinically vulnerable.
Under the plan, the government has pledged to carry out at least two million vaccinations in England per week by the end of January, which it says will be made possible by rolling out jabs at 206 hospital sites, 50 vaccination centres and around 1,200 local vaccination sites.
It also reiterates the government’s aim of offering vaccinations to around 15 million people in the UK – the over-70s, older care home residents and staff, frontline healthcare workers and the clinically extremely vulnerable – by mid-February.
According to Mr Hancock, two fifths of over-80s have now received their first dose, and almost a quarter of care home residents have received theirs.
Ministers have stopped short so far of introducing yet stricter measures, and Hancock ruled out scrapping support ‘bubbles’, though several newspapers have run fairly hysterical finger-wagging front pages:
A glaring Chris Whitty is pictured next to an instruction not to “stop for a chat” despite his having repeated yesterday on Radio 4 that fleeting outdoor contact was not a risk.
The Metropolitan Police commissioner Cressida Dick, meanwhile, has written in The Times:
It is preposterous to me that anyone could be unaware of our duty to do all we can to stop the spread of the virus. We have been clear that those who breach COVID-19 legislation are increasingly likely to face fines.
The article continues:
Officers are now stopping people on the street and requiring them to explain why they are outside. They will also routinely hand out fines to anyone at illegal gatherings. Enforcement was previously limited to the organisers.
Another force is using surveillance cameras to track down motorists breaching lockdown rules. Devon and Cornwall is deploying automatic number-plate recognition technology, which identifies vehicles on the roads, to monitor vehicle movements.
Despite the doom-laden tone from Number 10, the ZOE Covid Symptom Study App calculated that the R rate in London was 0.9 as recently as January 7th, with infections falling:
The R rate was calculated just barely higher at 1 for the rest of the UK:
On Yer Bike! Did PM’s Journey Contravene His Own Guidance?
The Prime Minister was accused of making a journey which wasn’t in the spirit of the Government’s guidance after being spotted cycling seven miles from Downing Street. The Evening Standard reports:
The Prime Minister was wearing his TfL hat and a face mask when he was seen cycling with his security detail in Stratford, east London, at around 2pm.
Official Government guidance on exercise says it should be limited to once a day and “you should not travel outside your local area”.
The park has been noticeably busy with families exercising and the PM is said to have been concerned by what he saw in the area.
Lockdown sceptics will be less concerned by the length of his journey than the existence of such absurd guidance in the first place, although it did give the Health Secretary Matt Hancock an opportunity to clarify that:
“It is OK to go, if you went for a long walk, and ended up seven miles away from home – that is OK but you should stay local. You should not go from one side of the country to another potentially taking the virus with you.
“Remember one in three people who have the virus don’t know they have it because they have no symptoms and yet still pass it on.”
He added: “It is OK to go for a long walk or a cycle ride or exercise – but stay local.”
Steerpike commented in The Spectator:
The guidance on exercise says “you should not travel outside your local area”. So, what does the Prime Minister say? While there’s no official response, a Downing Street source confirmed that the Prime Minister was exercising — but failed to say whether he was driven there to exercise or had cycled the whole way. The former would likely be classed as a rule breach.
They did, however, voice the PM’s concern at the other people using the park at that time: “He did note how busy the park was and he commented on it at the meeting last night. He was concerned about if people were following the rules and was concerned after his cycle ride around the park.”
While going somewhere and then complaining about how many other people have done the same is an unwelcome trend of the pandemic, Mr S had hoped Johnson would know better. After all, if someone should have refrained from showing up there, surely it’s the person who lives seven miles away?
Covid, Hyper-Medicalisation, and Viral Interference
We are publishing a guest piece today by Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS, medical historian and former lecturer at the University of Swansea, as well as a Wellcome Trust University Award Fellow. Here is a short extract:
One of the puzzles in the Covid story is how different the effect of SARS-CoV-2 can be from person to person. If we accept the notion of ‘asymptomatic transmission’, then Covid is inconsequential for such a large number of apparently infected people that they notice no symptoms whatsoever, while others have symptoms so mild they are comparable to the common cold, yet a minority of infected people suffer very severe reactions and unfortunately sometimes lethal outcomes. This very wide variance in how individuals’ bodies react to the virus makes COVID-19 a most unusual illness. What follows are some speculative musings on potential factors influencing individual variance, in other words, asking the question: Have we missed something that could explain why some people fall very ill and even die, yet others don’t even know they’ve got it?
Besides individual disparity in reactions to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, there is of course the disparity in how regional variation affects mortality and severe illness. Contrary to most beliefs in an efficient health care system (including preventative care, hygiene, nutrition, immunisation programmes), whereby there should be less illness in those nations that have better and more accessible healthcare provisions, Covid actually seems to be less of a threat to poorer, economically weaker nations which had a lower case fatality rate (meaning fewer deaths per number of infected individuals) than economically stronger countries.
Demographics certainly play a role in this disparity, since older people are more likely to fall victim to Covid than younger, and economically wealthier countries have larger numbers of the old than poorer countries. But other factors, such as the former ‘hygiene hypothesis’, now refined as the ’Old Friends’ hypothesis, and the incidence of autoimmune disorders in higher-income countries have also been advanced. The hygiene hypothesis is well known and argues that the more ‘clean’ we have become, the less chance our immune systems have had to be ‘trained’ in how to ward off pathogens. Hyper-hygienic conditions, which have been advocated in most high-income countries, through things as basic as using anti-bacterial products for everything from chopping boards for food preparation to the now ubiquitous hand sanitisers, have in fact contributed to the lack of training in childhood for most Westerners’ immune systems. Lack of exposure to parasites and other pathogens, which would train the immune system, has been linked to impaired Type 1 interferon activity, which in turn has been linked with susceptibility to the SARS-CoV-2 virus (see Impaired type I interferon activity and inflammatory responses in severe COVID-19 patients). Paradoxically, then, the inhabitants of higher income countries are, despite enjoying overall better health outcomes, at greater risk of developing severe COVID-19 than those in lower-income nations.
Worth reading in full.
MP Explains His Vote Against Lockdown Restrictions – Faces Backlash
David Warburton, Member of Parliament for Somerton and Frome, whose email to one of his constituents explaining his refusal to vote for the tier system we published last month, has written an explanation on his website of his reasons for voting against lockdown again last Wednesday. Warburton has done his homework, and it’s a comprehensive argument. Here is an extract:
…I have concerns in several areas:
First, the numbers and how they are being reported. Yes, there is no doubt that the new evolving strains of the virus – though thankfully no more virulent – are more easily transmitted between individuals. But our increased rates of infection are more interesting. The mass scale of our PCR testing and self-reporting through the NHS app means that, for example, our case rate appears to be far higher than many European neighbours. And testing also creates some revealing anomalies: the virus seems to understand the soft border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, for example, crediting those to the north with a far higher rate of infection. Our mortality rate — dreadful though it is — remains much the same as others’. So either the false-positive incidence of our testing is giving us a bleak picture, or we appear more resilient to the worst effects of the virus, which is obviously unlikely.
Everyone who attends hospital is now tested – itself, of course, a terrifically important step. Those who test positive are reported statistically as hospital Covid patients, whether they were asymptomatic or not; whether they attended hospital for a broken ankle or regular cancer treatment. Naturally, when we then hear of hospitals managing thousands of Covid patients, such reporting will concern us all and lead the Government to seek to act.
Every death, for whatever reason, is tragic and shocking. Even to write about it — and especially to do so in terms of data and numbers — belittles and minimises the personal loss which we all feel. It is important to see, I think though, that excess deaths over the past year have not been statistically higher than the average for previous years. And the ONS reveals that, in terms of deaths per 100,000 of population, since 1993 ten previous years have had higher rates than 2020. But I also understand that, given the infection rates and the new strains, it is the predictions of future mortality which concerns the Government. They do not know what may come.
I will not dwell on the historic predictions of SAGE, but I must draw attention to the missing component in this thought process. At the end of the regulations before us yesterday was the bald admission that “No impact assessment has been prepared for these Regulations.”
That means that we were asked to vote, again, on restrictions which will have unknown effects, both positive and negative. We are not provided with evidence for the efficacy of the lockdown, other than our experience of the mixed results of previous lockdowns, and — crucially — we do not know what is the nature or the extent of the detrimental effects.
As I’ve said before, the ONS have estimated that the restrictions across 2020 will have resulted in 200,000 non-Covid excess deaths. Bristol University put the figure far higher. Whether or not these predictions have any more accuracy than SAGE’s own Covid predictions, these numbers are many times higher than those who tragically will have been lost to the virus.
Many of us have repeatedly asked for the data – a cost benefit analysis – which can allow us to make an informed decision. The crucial question we have to ask ourselves is what is the cost to lives, to livelihoods, to businesses, to mental health, suicides, to all non-Covid related heath. It’s imperative that these factors are weighed in the balance against the likely lives saved from those same restrictions.
Definitely worth reading in full.
Stop Press: A Twitter poll has been started by a local Labour Party activist asking whether people support David’s stance. If you use Twitter, you can make your voice heard here.
Stop Press 2: The Swedish physiologist Johan Hellström has published a historic mortality graph for no-lockdown Sweden up to and including 2020, and as you may expect, there isn’t much to see:
This study provides more detail on the comparison between Norway and Sweden, and also concludes that lockdowns do not explain the differences.
Stop Press 3: Yesterday, we reported on a lockdown enthusiast who has repented and joined the ranks of the lockdown sceptics. Today, we bring you another – New York Governor Andrew Cuomo!
What is Law and What is Guidance? Clarification from a QC
Chris Daw QC, author of Justice on Trial, spoke to Ian Collins at talkRADIO to give his legal expertise on the matter of what exactly police are and aren’t entitled to fine people for, after a few well-publicised instances of members of the public being questioned and even fined by over-zealous police officers.
Stop Press: The two women fined by Derbyshire Police for driving five miles to a local reservoir, whose cups of peppermint tea were described as a ‘picnic’ by the issuing officer, have received an apology and had their fines withdrawn.
A Reader’s Cancer Treatment
A Lockdown Sceptics reader has sent us her recent experience being treated for cancer in a private hospital through the NHS, as well as her bafflement at reports in the press about cancelled surgery.
You may be interested in my own recent experience of cancer treatment during this Covid crisis. I was diagnosed with cancer on December 30th following a biopsy on December 16th and advised to have a lumpectomy as initial treatment. This was at Barts NHS Trust. The operation took place on January 4th at a well-known London private hospital, which my surgeon explained was being used by Barts for such surgery during the pandemic. I won’t name the hospital, but as it is known for treating members of the Royal Family I doubt if its facilities usually come cheaply. I was shocked to be given such an early date for surgery, but my surgeon further explained that after January 5th Barts feared being ordered to suspend all such surgery. If this has indeed happened, I was very fortunate with the timing of my diagnosis and feel enormous sympathy for anyone whose surgery has now been delayed.
I was puzzled to see it reported today (the Times: “NHS attacks private hospitals for not cancelling operations”) that the NHS stopped using private hospitals for such surgery some months ago and that “NHS chiefs” were strongly critical of private hospitals for carrying out elective surgery during the present crisis (according to a “leaked” letter from senior NHS figures, including, supposedly, the head of Barts Health Trust!) The Times article states as fact that although the NHS is negotiating to use private hospitals again, this does not include any of the main London private hospitals, since the NHS reportedly balked at their high costs. This is clearly wrong from my own experience and makes me wonder if such “leaks” are inspired by political motives.
The Guardian reports that Barts NHS Trust has suspended all such surgery since December 23rd:
People with advanced cancer have had their urgent surgery cancelled at a leading London hospital trust that is treating the largest number of Covid patients in the NHS.
Patients who were due to undergo an operation to treat their disease at Barts Health NHS trust have been told the pressures the resurgent COVID-19 is putting hospitals under was to blame.
The procedures involved are known in the NHS as “red flag” cancer cases and are classed by the NHS as “priority two” surgery, which means they should be done within 28 days of the decision to operate. Any delay risks the patient’s disease spreading or becoming inoperable.
Barts is the second big hospital trust in London known to have cancelled operations as a result of the strain on the NHS, which led to the UK’s four Chief Medical Officers issuing an unprecedented warning last week that parts of the service were close to collapse.
Staff in Barts’ surgical division approached the Guardian to disclose that cancellations had been happening there since before Christmas after reading a statement in the Observer by Sir David Sloman, the NHS’s Regional Director for the capital, that “urgent cancer surgery is not being cancelled in London”.
One member of staff said last week: “This [statement] is not true. At the Royal London Hospital we have not been able to do any non-emergency surgery since December 23rd. We have not done any cancer surgery, except emergency procedures, since then. [There is] no clarity yet on when or where we can restart our elective surgery.”
Furthermore, The Times reports:
NHS chiefs have criticised private hospitals and doctors in London for performing non-urgent operations despite the “unthinkable pressures” of the pandemic.
A letter leaked to HSJ, the health service journal, asked trusts in the capital “not to support” private work for at least a month.
London’s NHS hospitals have cancelled almost all planned care. At least two have postponed urgent cancer surgery as figures show that treatment levels are failing to keep pace with demand. The NHS has been trying to negotiate use of the capital’s private hospitals for cancer patients.
Our reader is right to be confused.
Was I Just Witness to a Covid Death?
We are reproducing in full this account kindly contributed by Thomas Harrington, Professor of Iberian Studies at Trinity College, Hartford, CT, USA of a tragic occurrence last week, which he firmly attributes to the Covid restrictions.
Friday night at 4:45 in the morning my partner, K and I awoke to the flashing lights of police and medical teams outside the house where we are currently staying. It was accompanied by murmured conversations between the uniformed people and one of the men who stays with our landlord, who lives in an adjacent part of the same building.
Tired and not wanting to intrude on the lives of people we knew, but not intimately, we went back to sleep, hoping that nothing really transcendent had occurred.
By mid-morning those hopes were thoroughly dashed when K returned to our place ashen-faced to tell me that Pete, our 60 year-old weight-lifting landlord, who could have passed for a robust 45, was dead, quite probably by suicide. We just sat there numb for a very, very long time.
Over the last few months while living in the in-law apartment of his house, K, a woman who naturally invites emotional openness in others, had come to know Pete fairly well. And on my more or less extended visits to the little apartment, I had engaged with him as well. He was extremely bright and gentle, a yacht captain by trade and a romantic adventurer by predilection, who talked longingly and wistfully of lost loves and of business deals gone bad. Speaking to his best friend, Dave, yesterday after the tragedy, we were both confirmed in our suspicion that he was, in many ways, his own worst enemy.
But a message that came across just as strongly, if not stronger, was that Pete was deeply loved and supported by a network of friends who had remained true to him, and they to him, over a half a century. As Dave explained they had all seen each other through difficult moments, ratifying their support for each other, at times, through, among other things, the lending of not insignificant sums of money.
Indeed, as we spoke, just around the corner in the gorgeous, if decadently unkempt, tropical back yard of the house with its irregularly-shaped pool, the members of that support-crew were sitting together drinking beer while crying and laughing about their friend. This once grand property had, in effect, been their clubhouse, the place was where they had reaffirmed their friendship over and again during 50 years (Pete grew up in the house and had inherited it from his parents) with what he and they, and the women in their lives, liked to call Funday Sundays.
But over the last several months, that vital social lifeline, along with the possibilities of work in the boating industry, had been, if not wholly severed, severely weakened by the social restrictions imposed by the “fight against Covid”.
Pete had fallen into a very deep depression, about which he had spoken pretty openly about with K. Last week, he told her he had finally gone to a mental health professional for help.
But last Friday, night, it seems, he decided to end things. As a tragedy, this story requires no adornment.
But I nonetheless less feel compelled to ask all those out there currently justifying draconian reductions of basic human liberties, and worse yet, human customs of love and caring, on the basis of inflated ‘case’ numbers spawned by a deeply flawed PCR test, as well as a 0.23% IFR, if they might be willing to admit that Pete was also a real Covid fatality?
And more fundamentally, I’d like to ask all those that constantly tell us about the grave threat posed by Covid — with its 99.77% survival rate and victim cohort tilted overwhelmingly to those at or beyond their normal level of life expectancy — if, after playing profligately and abusively with the threat of death, they have any empathy left for the very real and concrete terminations of life, catalyzed, if not caused, by their serial exaggerations.
Or do they simply consider such thoughts to be another thing to be mentally “deplatformed”, along with all of those other things that don’t neatly affirm the media’s dominant narrative?
Does Pheasant Shooting Count as Exercise?
A reader got in touch after receiving the following email from Abel & Cole, the organic food delivery company:
Hello there, I’m just getting in touch about the Wild Pheasant on your order. I’m afraid we aren’t able to include the pack in the box as planned this week. Due to COVID-19 restrictions, our supplier can’t go out to shoot the game and we don’t have any stock left in at the moment. As the lockdown is due to last roughly until the end of shooting season this year, we might not be able to bring it back again until next season. I’m really sorry for the disappointment.
In fact, there’s nothing to stop Abel & Cole’s supplier from shooting pheasant. You are still allowed to shoot in England, provided you only do it once a day and it’s part of your daily exercise. The British Association for Shooting and Conservation has the details:
In light of the government providing greater clarity on its COVID-19 guidance and regulations, BASC is advising that outdoor shooting activities as a form of exercise are permissible once per day in England during the national lockdown, subject to two conditions.
1. You should only travel locally to shoot which is to “stay local in the village, town, or part of the city where you live” as defined in government guidance.
2. When shooting you should only meet with people you live with, your support bubble; or when on your own, with one person from another household.
If any shooting readers can supply Abel & Cole with a brace or two, please contact us here. We’ll put you in touch.
Round-up
- “In Defence of Lockdown Sceptics” – Toby’s article, which appeared on this website on Friday, has been reprinted in the Critic
- “Lockdown sceptics are society’s gadflies” — Laura Dodsworth has also written a defence of lockdown scepticism for the Critic
- “Gym lockdown costing NHS £31m a month” — Tom Walker in exerciseprofessionals points out the folly of short-termism in the shutting down of gyms, creating future burdens on the health service
- “We’ve lost sight of how much a life is worth” — Ed Conway in The Times on the well-established concept of Quality-Adjusted Life Years (QALYS) and how it has gone out the window during the COVID-19 crisis
- “COVID Hypocrisy: Policymakers breaking their own rules” — A useful compendium of reports, mapped geographically, of American lawmakers failing to adhere to their own edicts
- Ivor Cummins on the Delingpod — James Delingpole and Ivor have a deep-dive conversation into many aspects of the Covid issue
- “Joe Biden’s pork-barrel identity politics” — Fraser Myers in spiked taking the President Elect to task for his plans to woke-ify his ‘build back better’ programme
- “A New Year’s Nightmare: COVID-19 Litigation Piling Up” — Ashley Cullins in The Hollywood Reporter on the backlog of insurance claims by businesses, and other legal headaches
- “When we put faith in science we turn science into religion” — Andrew Mahon in the Post Millennial on the religious undertones of the unswerving faith in the scientific priestly class
- “NHS is ‘over-prioritising’ the virus” — NHS Consultant Dr Clare Turnbull speaks out about the effect on cancer treatment while the health service concentrates solely on Covid patients, the Daily Mail reports
- “With no lockdown or mask mandate, Florida has roughly same hospitalization level as 2018 flu season” — David Horowitz in the Blaze on the Sunshine State’s bucking of the trend
- “Our analysis of lockdown and Covid-fascism” — A site called Left Lockdown Sceptics has been launched, with the organisers describing themselves as a group of socialists who oppose lockdown. This is their inaugural piece
- “Enough of this governmental scapegoating of the public for Covid transmission” — Ross Clark in the Telegraph giving the Government both barrels
- “The Abuse of Science in the Corona Crisis” — Swiss Professor of Philosophy of Science Michael Esfeld’s piece for the AIER blog
- “Effects of mask-wearing on the inhalability and deposition of airborne SARS-CoV-2 aerosols in human upper airway” — Another detailed study, in Physics of Fluids, about the relative ineffectiveness of even surgical mask-wearing
- “Eight Gorillas test positive for coronavirus at San Diego Zoo” — The list of flora and fauna to apparently contract the virus grows
- “Rise in the incidence of abusive head trauma during the COVID-19 pandemic” — a whopping 1493% increase, reports the British Medical Journal
- “Does Vitamin D combat Covid?” — Mattha Busby in The Guardian reviews the evidence on Vitamin D
- Peter Hitchens’ conversation with Mike Graham — talkRADIO’s weekly slot with the arch-sceptic
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “Drinking in the Day” by Elise LeGrow, “Happenin’ All Over Again” by Lonnie Gordon and “Boris Johnson a Big Bumbahole” by Machyo.
Boris Johnson a BIG BUMBAHOLE
— itsmachyopic.twitter.com/IyZoZt2re4
(@mxchyo) January 3, 2021
Love in the Time of Covid
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Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you Christopher F. Rufo’s report “Radicals in the Classroom” in City Journal about the hardcore Critical Race Theory indoctrination occurring in the San Diego Unified School District’s new mandatory training sessions for teachers.
The San Diego Unified School District has been radicalized. In recent months, the district has announced mandatory diversity training for teachers, added a new “ethnic studies” curriculum focused on racial grievance, and even abolished the requirement to turn in homework on time – all in the name of becoming, in the words of school board member Richard Barrera, “an anti-racist school district.”
Last month, I reported on one of these training sessions, focused on “white privilege,” in which white teachers were accused of being colonisers on stolen Native American land and told “you are racist” and “you are upholding racist ideas, structures, and policies”. The trainers demanded that the teachers “confront and examine [their] white privilege”, “acknowledge when [they] feel white fragility”, and “teach others to see their privilege”. After the story caused an uproar, school officials defended the training as a form of “racial healing”.
Phrases such as “white privilege” and “white fragility” will be familiar to anyone who has paid attention to the crazier fringes of the woke cult recently, although one of the guest speakers hired by San Diego Unified took the hyperbole to a whole new level.
According to new whistleblower documents, San Diego Unified held an even more radical training program featuring a speaker who believes American schools are guilty of the “spirit murdering of Black children”. The school district hired Bettina Love, a critical race theorist who believes that children learn better from teachers of the same race, for the keynote address at the August Principal Institute and for an additional district-wide training on how to “challenge the oppressive practices that live within the systems and structures of school organizations”.
Though the school district explicitly forbade attendees from recording the session, one whistleblower took detailed notes of the speech and captured screenshots of the presentation. According to these notes, Love began her presentation by claiming that “racism runs deep” in the United States and that blacks alone “know who America really is”. She argued that public schools in particular “don’t see [blacks] as human”, are guilty of systemic “anti-Blackness”, and “spirit murder babies” in the education system.
Ms Love is associated with the Abolitionist Teaching Network, whose website makes for an interesting browse.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Twitter’s stock has plunged after the social media platform banned Donald Trump.
Twitter’s stock price tumbled Monday as investors appeared to balk at the social network’s decision to ban President Trump from posting.
Shares in the San Francisco-based company tumbled as much as 12% to $45.17 in the first trading session after it booted Trump from the platform on Friday, saying his account posed a “risk of further incitement of violence” after his supporters stormed the US Capitol on Wednesday.
The stock pared the losses through the morning and fell 6.4% to close at $48.18.
Twitter’s move against the outgoing president – whose account had more than 88 million followers – was the first permanent suspension for a head of state, and it’s likely to spark furious debate about the role tech companies play in regulating speech.
It may also hurt Twitter’s user base as Trump supporters and right-wing activists pledge to boycott the company’s blockbuster decision.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.
Stop Press: A reader has sent us this article in the Sydney Morning Herald from 17 years ago, written during the SARS epidemic.
Health authorities have warned that surgical masks may not be an effective protection against the virus.
“Those masks are only effective so long as they are dry,” said Professor Yvonne Cossart of the Department of Infectious Diseases at the University of Sydney.
“As soon as they become saturated with the moisture in your breath they stop doing their job and pass on the droplets.”
Professor Cossart said that could take as little as 15 or 20 minutes, after which the mask would need to be changed. But those warnings haven’t stopped people snapping up the masks, with retailers reporting they are having trouble keeping up with demand.
The article continues:
John Bell from the Pharmaceutical Society of Australia, who owns a pharmacy in Woollahra, Sydney, said mask supplies were running low.
“At the moment we don’t have any because we haven’t been able to get any in the last few days,” Mr Bell said. “In the early stages it was unbelievable; we’d get people coming in all the time.”
Mr Bell agreed with Professor Cossart’s assessment regarding the effectiveness of the masks.
“I think they’re of marginal benefit,” he said. “In a way they give some comfort to people who think they’re doing as much as they can do to prevent the infection.”
The reader who drew our attention to the piece commented:
The first line sums it up – “Retailers who cash in on community fears about SARS by exaggerating the health benefits of surgical masks could face fines of up to $110,000.”
Fast forward 17 years, and currently three Australian states have mask mandates in place, with fines of $200 for non-compliance. Last time I checked (and I do look out for these things) there has been no new significant evidence brought to light since 2003 that general public mask wearing has any effect whatsoever on community transmission of the sort of virus which causes COVID. The absurdity of Australia’s mask mandates is of course compounded by the almost complete absence of COVID in the general community at this time.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press 2: Both Morrisons and Sainsbury’s have announced that they will ban anyone who does not wear a mask from entering their shops, reports the BBC. The Government has stated that it is not the responsibility of retailers to enforce the rules, but that of the police, who have also said they don’t intend to enforce mask-wearing in supermarkets.
Morrisons will bar customers who refuse to wear face coverings from its shops amid rising coronavirus infections.
From Monday, shoppers who refuse to wear face masks offered by staff will not be allowed inside, unless they are medically exempt.
Sainsbury’s also said it would challenge those not wearing a mask or who were shopping in groups.
The announcements come amid concerns that social distancing measures are not being adhered to in supermarkets.
Vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi said the Government is “concerned” shops are not enforcing rules strictly enough.
“Ultimately, the most important thing to do now is to make sure that actually enforcement – and of course the compliance with the rules – when people are going into supermarkets are being adhered to,” Mr Zahawi told Sky News.
“We need to make sure people actually wear masks and follow the one-way system,” he said.
The Union of Shop, Distributive, and Allied Workers (USDAW) tweeted the following hand-wringing statement:
Key retail workers deal with hundreds of customers every day as they perform their essential duties. With the #Covid situation developing rapidly, we’re calling for retail workers and delivery drivers to get priority access to vaccinations and mass testing.
We also expect retailers to work with us, urgently, to produce new risk assessments. The new strain of Covid puts our members at increased risk of catching the virus. They need every possible protection, including the following steps:
Limits on customer numbers – back to the earlier levels if necessary – with trained security staff to manage queues. Once inside the store, customers should follow clearly highlighted one-way systems and 2m social distancing markers.
As Ivor Cummins has pointed out on numerous occasions though, and does so again in his recent conversation with James Delingpole on the Delingpod, shop workers worked for four months at the beginning of the pandemic with no masks and experienced no great wave of deaths over and above the rest of the population, even though they encountered the general public every day.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.
Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.
Samaritans
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And Finally…
On this week’s episode of London Calling, Toby’s weekly podcast with James Delingpole, they try to avoid getting into an argument about the Great Reset (he’s a believer, Toby’s not) and stick to books and TV shows. But they cannot avoid talking about Trump’s Twitter ban and Big Tech censorship more generally.
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Wooo hooo!!
Hmm Hope you don’t stay up all night just to do that
Not 11 pm here yet still early!
Australia is forcing masks and lockdowns on everyone for the few cases they have. Germany has stores closed, everyone is getting rushed vaccines foisted off on them for what is basically a severe cold, what you guys in the UK are experiencing is nothing short of insanity, and Big Tech is censoring everyone that questions the biggest election fraud in history. I feel like I’m in some dystopian nightmare.
Someone please wake me!!
You are in a dystopian nightmare unfortunately looks like you’re fully AWAKE!
There’s no comfort in a lie sorry.
Agreed, I have always lived by this and therefore was always a mixed bag amongst my friends. One of them once said to a fame ale friend of mine who had boyfriend issues ( many,many years ago) and she asked him if she should ask me for advice: Talk to him if you want to hear the truth, but you might not want to hear what he will tell you !
It’s a daymare and a nightmare.
I’m afraid I sleep like a log every night.
a “dusk ’til dawn” mare horror show. Bedauerlicherweise.
That would be interesting. If we had no msm, no twitter and especially no poxy bbc, how would you know anything was wrong. As someone was saying on YouTube if this was a pandemic you could see it for yourself. You would all know of people who had died, you would see people out and about ill. Loads of your friends would be off work ill. A&E would be overflowing and every ward would be full up. Sorry Mr handjob you are a lying prick.
Carrington Event of 1859.
Not mythical and a tad more inconvenient these days.
“It’s a special kind of nightmare.. the kind that happens when you’re awake.”
http://viz.co.uk/015_bottom_inspectors/
A reckoning, you say?
The Reckoning – YouTube
Hopefully their view of the police has changed too, Police no longer represent Law & Order but Control & Domination & that was before covid. When police conduct is worse than the criminals questions need to be asked. Like the unnecessary man handling, use of handcuffs, escalation of violence at slightest none compliance to unlawful commands & then there’s the theft (FPN’s) extortion with menace & provocation of innocent citizens into dubious arrests & charges. Respect for the law. There needs to be reform starting with training, training in de-escalation not brute force. The politicisation of police is another paragraph.
There is certainly a sea change going on re police it seems and whether they (and our opinion of them) will ever go back to normal is open for debate. I freely admit that I’m someone who has gone through life confidently – knowing the police are there for me (albeit opinion duly revised noticeably considering their low hit rate for catching criminals). But to have to revise it yet further – and know the fact that I’m obviously female/obviously British/obviously middle-class and therefore they are obviously there for my benefit – and they seem to have forgotten that fact – is proving rather of a surprise to me. In fact, if anything, to know they seem to be more likely to pick on women than men and definitely more likely to pick on an obviously normal/obviously law-abiding person like myself than to head for the criminals they are supposed to be there for dealing with is taking some getting my head round.
I agree with you – the indigenous middle classes are easier to pick on knowing they would submit easily to ridiculous diktats by low intelligence plods. They don’t dare approach the more challenging parts of the city and society. They are nothing but feeble cowards on the whole.
I mentioned here a few days’ ago that I thought that the UK police was an improvement from the police in my home country who aren’t trusted by the public and are seen as crooks in uniform. How wrong I was!
2020-2021 have exposed the ugly face of the police and their protestations of “cuts”, “poverty” and “racism” as their excuse for inability to solve crimes such as grooming gangs, assault, theft, knife crime, anti-social behaviour, domestic violence, crimes against BAME women has been exposed as lies given how quick they are to harass old people and women for the “sin” on going out and having a coffee or sitting on a park bench.
The line has been crossed and the police should not be surprised if the public stop treating them with respect and stop engaging with them. Not to mention being told to take a hike if they’re raising funds for their charities.
Never Again.
The police have always been obnoxious if your the wrong age, wrong class, wrong colour, wrong sex, poor & any combination of the above.
I grew up on a poor working class council estate & they would persecute any young working class male walking minding his own business.
But now they’ve taken that attitude to a whole new level, intimidation simply to provoke a response & make spurious charges, its all about control now & their training has become excessively violent.
I’ve never been in trouble with the law, don;t think i’ve even seen the inside of court in my 55 years on this planet. But I don’t trust police, they’re dishonest, violent & corrupt. Say nothing to them.
You can’t even say they do a difficult job, trolling twitter & Facebook for pronoun crimes isn’t hardwork.
Exactly. My distrust of the police was honed by growing up and living in a Third World country. Doesn’t matter wherever you are in the world, the police are not your friend and not to be trusted.
They would rather go after “pretend” crimes to show that they’re still working. But the public ain’t stupid, they know this isn’t work.
I was born & grew up in a country not far from Thailand and yep, the police there are never trusted and are always avoided like the plague.
Mark Steyn summed up the UK police:
“ ‘In Britain, everything is policed except crime’”
“It has become very apparent that British policemen are very aggressive when dealing with the passive, and very passive when dealing with the aggressive.”
Another anti-police here too. Worked for the with/for them for 22 years and was previously very pro-police. No more.
Brits have become very German.
Not good.
A German.
You may recall my worrying post yesterday of mortality in the local NHS Region rocketing 50% overnight ?
I am pleased to report that mortality has since plummeted with none of the 1.8m people in the region sadlidying of the Covid yesterday. Are we saved yet ?
One of the follies of this virus hoo-haa has been the rush to supply instant statistics and the day to day variables that then ensue. There is a reason the ONS take 10 – 14 days to issue the total registered death figures, because they are correct and properly compiled.
Local Live (mirror group news) provide these daily reports usually with an alarming headline followed by a boring list of places with cases. Only at the very end do they give the normally very low mortality.
Indeed the ONS has been excellent throughout although I gather they are now suppressing some of the stats that they used to produce.
Has overall mortality for 2020 been provided yet ?
YES! Great news I have just burnt my face mask.
Surely, if the very idea of wearing a face nappy makes your blood boil, you must be medically exempt?
i told the store manager it distresses me. he still said have to wear a mask.
Hancock has no shame, just hours after being humiliated by the withdrawal by Derbyshire police of the fine on two women for having a coffee ‘picnic’ he defies joint cabinet responsibility by backing supermarkets who take it upon themselves to bar unmasked shoppers.
If there’s any justice in this world – Hancock catches something/anything Very Nasty and that’s the last we see of him #prettyplease.
I keep hoping…
They’re trying to get #BoycottMorrisons trending on Twitter. Makes you wonder if these supermarkets have not learned especially after Asda was nearly taken to court over harassing a man with dementia because he wasn’t wearing a mask.
My only wish now is that Hancock gets his just desserts and Morrisons gets sued for discrimination and harassment.
Are they operating under coercion?
Its easy really Mr Handjob just give me the evidence that masks have stopped transmission. Show me conclusive proof of how an old t-shirt made into a face covering prevents the spread of a micro virus. Show me the evidence of why after two months of strict lockdown your cases are still increasing. These are your metrics and they keep failing. So your policies have done what, the NHS is two weeks away from being overwhelmed according to twatty, we have one of the worse death rates in Europe, cases are rising out of control (again using your published figure’s) and all of this with the whole country locked under house arrest. So explain to me in what way any of this can be called a successful strategy? And why you still have a job? After 10 months of this shit, at what point does someone with average intelligence say, do you know what, this might not be working, do we have another plan?
How can he say that when the government guidelines clearly state exemptions and that no documentation of proof is necessary.
Quick review of zero evidence for mask efficacy:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/06/coronavirus-fact-check-6-does-wearing-a-mask-do-anything/
The Health and Safety Executive proved masks totally ineffective against viruses in 2008. The government know masks are useless. http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr619.pdf
Dear Aunt Sally.
I am worried that I might be in an abusive relationship that might amount to Coercive Control.
I am only allowed out of the house once a day, I am not allowed to socialise with my friends or even see relatives. Recently I have been told not to stop and chat to people on the street.
I am forced to work from home but this is impossible because I have three children to care for which my partner refuses to allow to go to school.
I tried to voice my concerns to the local PCSO but he just yelled at me to get back in the house.
I have e-mailed my MP but he does not reply, my GP is only responding to requests for flu and Covid vaccinations.
My partner has recently relented somewhat in allowing the kids to use the local playground but I feel it likely that he will spitefully stop that again.
Desperate
Tunbridge Wells.
Least your MP replied. When I emailed Ian Blackford MP, subject header ‘SOS’, regarding my abusive relationship with Chairman Nicola Sturg-un, he ignored me.
Dear Desperate
The situation you describe is perfectly normal and you are a criminal for daring to complain about it. You are guilty of crimethink for even daring to think it isn’t normal.
Go carefully. You are on the List.
Aunt Sally
Blame ConstantBees, they started it.
That’s the point these comfortably entitled liberals with nice big gardens fancy pads in the city & 2nd homes in the country who have ignored the housing crisis in this country for decades.
Have no concept of how many people live in cramped accommodation, maybe a pokey little flat, perhaps a bedsit or even B&B. imagine being trapped in that for months wouldn’t you want some fresh air? Where would you go to get it, the local park? & if people aren’t at work no wonder you see people in the park!
Not everyone lives in a roomy detached house in the country with a large garden & few neighbours, i’m one of the lucky ones, one of my biggest nightmares is living in a cramped ex council flat, these people have my greatest sympathy.
PMs concern at OTHER PEOPLE
using the park.
Something similar occured on BBC R4 news yesterday morning. A reporter was interviewing people on a London street about whether they thought lockdown was being policed rigorously enough.
A woman said disapprovingly
‘Well just look around you, all these people out and about as though there was no lockdown’
The irony escaped both her and the interviewer.
I hear that all the time.
“I went to the park yesterday and it was heaving. Honestly, no wonder the R rate is up”.
Same goes for that London official this week who demanded we all stay home, tweeted from her holiday in the Caribbean, or Piers Morgan over Xmas.
Boris riding his bike (complete with security detail by the way) through a park while commenting disparagingly on people being in the park is just part of a modern phenomenon of cognitive dissonance that seems very specific to Covid.
Even the very notion of “don’t be selfish, stay home” is predicated on thousands of people from rubbish collectors, to Netflix technicians to supermarket workers, going out to work so that you can angrily demand we all stay home.
Lockdown, presenting itself as a selfless act, is the most self centred time imaginable.
The last copy of the Telegraph that I bought in late March had an excellent cartoon.
Two metropolitan types are lounging by the pool in their spacious garden while their children play tennis.
In the background are three tower blocks with manyhued persons craning out of windows and on crowded balconies.
Mr M reads from his paper ‘I say Lucinda there is a terrible story about thousands of people invading Brockwell Park over the weekend’.
Mrs M ‘some people can be so selfish dahling’.
We do need to call them on it – re any time one of those Covid hypocrites says it directly to us.
Drives me mad when I’m stuck in a traffic jam. I always wonder why the other drivers are on the road and why they can’t take public transport/walk or just not travel at all .
I agree, all those other dreadful drivers are just so selfish.
especially on Sunday
Our local fb grumbled site is full of people complaining that there were too many people in the supermarket- not including them obviously!
This is a war against inalienable rights and basic intelligence.
yes and imagine being there with CHILDREN, that must be one of the lower circles of hell; domestic violence and child abuse can be the only possible result, encompassing people who love their chlldren deeply and in normal circumstances would have managed to be good parents
That ties in nicely with Priti Patel’s “Stay local, save lives” tweet. Which went down like a lead balloon and was hammered mercilessly including yours truly who wrote this:
And its not just tone deaf politicians, journalists, academics and slebs who don’t get this but the hordes of lockdownistas who think that lockdown is lovely and allows them to save money commuting not realising that not everyone has their good fortune of lovely homes in lovely areas, green spaces, well stocked high streets with chi-chi cafes and butchers. I live in one of those not so good areas where the lack of green spaces, decent shops and anti-social behaviour rampant has led to my mental health taking a hammering during the first lockdown.
That’s why I’ve snubbed “well meaning” family and friends who still continue to shed crocodile tears. Now that push has come to shove, I’ve seen them for who they truly are.
The poison pygmy
The other thing I notice is that all these Covidians are not just comfortable financially and practically but socially too. They are almost always married with kids. They have no concept of what it might be like to be stuck inside 24/7 alone or with landlord/relatives/housemates that you don’t like.
These people have also been forced to put their social lives on hold so there’s been no hope for people who want to make new friends/relationships.
Lockdown certainly hasn’t been good for my mental health, which was poor even before the pandemic!
Doesn’t help that I’m a 40-year old stuck living with overprotective parents: my poor mother (frazzled by caring for an autistic 32-year old daughter with the mental ability of a 6-year old, and whose husband suffered a major stroke 9 years ago) threatened (back in 2014) to commit suicide if I ever moved out! (And then who would care for my sister?)
The fact that (since my dad’s stroke) I’m the only driver in the house, and perhaps the only person in the household capable of giving my mother a half-decent conversation, may also be part of it.
Correction you do not live with an overprotective parent , you live with an abuser. Lets call a spade a spade shall we. As somebody who suffered emotional and psychical abuse in my childhood ( one which my parents still expalin by the fact my mother had a mental health issue) this is emotional blackmail to a 100th degree. My mother did that repeatedly (still try’s) and the consequences of this were that I left a very ,very prestigious university in year 3 to join the Army and escaped to Afghanistan. Even a war zone felt more liberating than being around her! You are in a bad place , I understand that and in a very distressing situation but let me tell you something, this will NEVER STOP!! There will always be a reason and she is stopping you from living your life. Do what you will but you are wasting your life and her well being is not your responsibility , neither is the well being of your sister . It might be if she tops herself, but what will that change plus you can than cross that bridge? She is a bully, a coward and a selfish bitch and your relationship is not based on love, respect but your complete enslavement. Sorry I got a bit over the top but I have been there, got the tshirt, went to war and came back with CPTSD.
Exactly….they are all smug bastards more or less without exception in my experience. They are mostly left wing too and claim to care about the poor and under privileged. They have been found out.
Of the champagne socialist type who probably live in nice houses. James O’ Brien of LBC sums them up.
Until early last year you had educational experts decrying the practice of shoving an iPad or mobile phone in front of a child. Now where are they?
In kindergarten surfing the web.
In my day we played with building blocks.
On furlough.
I agree with you. The unselfconscious arrogance of Bojo and his followers is worthy of an Eisenstein film.
You can imagine the scene: Prince Boris rides his bicycle into the park. He stops, stares disapprovingly at the lower orders socialising in what he clearly believes should be open space for his own exclusive use.
More like Boris Godunov and if he isn’t careful he’s about to unleash a Time of Troubles.
Boris Godunov has some redeeming features. Even a capacity for sincere repentance. There is a genuine greatness to him.
Johnson is more like some fat fatuous spoilt princess.
Agree. And Boris Godunov did manage to rule decently but the same can’t be said for Johnson.
You forgot Princess N N.
“what he clearly believes should be open space for his own exclusive use”
Isn’t that what Bill Gates wants as well. The vaccines should do the trick.
Ah if they weren’t at home just think of all that propaganda they would miss.
Latoya Lewis – It’s My Time(to be free)
Sorry, it’s got to be one from todays suggestions
Boris Johnson is a BIG BUMBAHOLE
Is that a rule or just guidance, coz i’m not to good with rules.
Bumbling Boris.
At the BBC briefing yesterday (yes I watched it – having studied statement analysis I find it interesting to spot the areas of stress in the speeches) Hancock said the vaccines will prevent people getting covid – isn’t that a contradiction of what was previously said – that they only reduce the symptoms? Shouldn’t the Health Secretary know this as it is a significant difference and, if true, might encourage some sceptics to roll up their sleeves (not this one) – surely we need to know..
As per the Solzhenitsyn quote, he lies, we know he lies, he knows we know he lies yet still he lies.
Porton Down should be reporting this week on whether vaccines can stop transmission. Not unless Hancock has got an advance report?
Whitty gets ever crazier claiming people chatting outside are spreading the disease. I’ve only heard one single anecdotal report of anyone catching the virus by chatting outside and that was in China. I’ve a friend who is a GP who said they loved chatting to folk on their daily walks so even medical people think it a safe thing to do.
Doesn’t stupid Whitty realise people go crazy with no social contact at all? Then if people are banned from doing something reasonable and safe, they will mix more in indoor settings, maybe a tiny poorly ventilated flat where infections spread easily.
Plenty of people, especially young men, are passing the time visiting each other
in their homes.
A few people I know who use Tinder, are still very busy, even if it’s a bit clandestine, guess it adds to the fun. Good for them.
Talking banned.
Next: Breathing.
As Tom Lehrer once sang;
If you visit American City
You will find it very pretty
Just two things of which you must beware
Don’t drink the water and don’t breathe the air
Pollution, pollution …
Wear a gas mask and a veil
Then you can breathe
S’long as you don’t inhale!
Hence, masks! Just amend the ‘rules’ to stipulate a specification, such as an inch thick and/or made of cling film. Cue polling to show 98percent support.
The health tyrants remind me of a teenager so obsessed with their computer game that they cannot be dragged away from the key board to eat or sleep or wash. The Covid thing has become a big game obsession with them and nothing matters except hitting the maximum score and they are deaf and blind to anything that distracts them from their megalomaniac obsession. This has come at a time when our political leaders are so appallingly bad that there is no management of these tyrants who now rule our lives.
They treat us as if we are just pixels in a video sim game where you can remove anything you like without consequences.
Oh so true. They are truly drunk on the power now.
The collaborators and sheep handed this power to em.
40 Proof KoolAid. Goes down easily, packa a punch. Incapacitates feeble brain cells.
Mediocrity.
“Doesn’t stupid Whitty realise people go crazy with no social contact at all? “
Of course he does. It will part of the plan.
I don’t think Whitty is very qualified to talk about social contact. He doesn’t look as though he’s ever entertained the idea.
I wouldn’t take Whitty seriously and I read somewhere that the vast majority in the scientific community don’t really rate him either.
He seems to have a very “autistic” (sorry for the lack of a better term) view of people and fails to account that humans are social creatures. Much like the vast majority of the animal kingdom.
This is Psychology 101 and Basic Zoology that even science morons like myself know. How he could not know this is baffling.
I have a contact with someone in the profession who knows Whitty. He has told me his view ……………
Let me guess, it wasn’t very complimentary…….
Well …..
I think it was Yeadon that said doctors that are good go into practice or become surgeons. Crap doctors go work for the government. Its his season in the sun. Look at me! You do realise when the shit hits the fan the politicians will dump you and wipe their hands of knowledge of any blame in this. Hope you are keeping copies of all these meetings son!
Twit Whitty.
I think its simply so people Don’t exchange views and have that “so what do you think of this lockdown” conversation?
From time to time I like to look up official NHS England mortality data to offer some perspective to balance the “case numbers” we see on the news. This is data of deaths in hospitals in England, so it does not include nursing home deaths or deaths at home (but since covid deaths are due to slowly progressing shortness of breath, then I do not expect many young people died at home from covid, it would be in hospital).
Since the start of the pandemic, until 31st Dec 2020, out of a population of 56 million people, there has been only –
394 deaths of people under 60 without pre-existing conditions
3338 deaths of people under 60 with pre-existing conditions
So that’s a TOTAL of 3732 deaths of all people under 60 (both with and without pre-existing conditions)
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/weekly-total-archive/
You don’t hear those kind of statistics on the news!
To access the data – the link will take you to the NHS England website and then click on the most recent “Covid 19 total announced deaths” – its a downloadable file – once downloaded click on “Tab 3 Deaths by condition” and it shows deaths broken down by different age groups.
At what point do we recognise covid is seasonal & stop adding all its victims up as a grand total.
Either Aprils stats were 2019/20 season or as we are now in 2021 so its a new years total.
But then they wouldn’t look so scary.
They know perfectly well that the grand total reflects two seasons that occured in one calendar year.
That’s why they kept stringing out their narrative. Result? Long Covid.
You may not hear that on the news but most people do know about it.
They still comply not because they are scared of the Covid but either because they are scared of the consequences of not complying or still think that more they do comply the sooner they will be allowed back to normal.
Thank you. Posts like this are so helpful. Saved for a later day.
A glimmer of good news.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/11/police-in-england-say-they-wont-enforce-masks-in-supermarkets
That’s good, but what about the baying maskoid mib?
We’ll have to remember that though they look vicious, they are cowards by definition.
Also that any ban on people by reason of disability is illegal. I suppose, if somebody comes in in a wheelchair, the door goons will turf him/her out of it on to the floor, on the assumption he/she is faking?
I have yet to be challenged by any supermarket shop worker or security although I have heard mutterings from jealous fellow shoppers.
The same, and I haven’t heard muttering either (the only negative experience was one chap who literally did an about turn when he saw my bare-faced visage coming towards him down the aisle). Perhaps I’ve just been fortunate. I make a point of smiling a lot and allowing people to pass before walking in front of them.
They would have been shitting on themselves had they refused entry to a person in a wheelchair and said person takes them to court for discrimination. This shouldn’t be any different. It’s discrimination pure and simple.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x64m0ss
Monty Python NHS sketch
I just ignore the maskoids, or growl/laugh at them depending on my mood. If one of them calls me a covidiot I ask them how they are enjoying their mouldy unhealthy rag?
‘…the question: Have we missed something that could explain why some people fall very ill and even die, yet others don’t even know they’ve got it?’ (Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS)
Answer: Yes, the government has, but LS hasn’t
It’s another (now endemic) common cold coronavirus. A distinguished Coronavirus expert in China at the time of the outbreak told us that it was like a severe cold on 06 February.
And we did 5 minutes of online research for ourselves:
‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/
‘More than just a common cold: Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E associated with severe acute respiratory infection and fatality cases among healthy adults
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26362#:~:text=Highlights,and%20death%20in%20healthy%20adults.
Plus T Cell immunity
Plus BCG vaccination immunity
I think the other element is ACE2 receptors. The more you have, the more like you are to experience severe symptoms as I understand it. Hence children with few will catch it and have no symptoms, and develop immunity.
Older people are more likely express high levels, and thus risk the virus being able to enter cells more readily and infection having a greater effect. Some people will express it more highly for genetic reasons, and I am sure there must be some lifestyle factors. So for some, once its overcome the immune system, it can really gain traction
That is my thinking anyway.
Thanks. Very interesting. ACE2 receptors are key for at least one other endemic common cold coronavirus (as well as SARS):
‘The cellular receptors mediating binding and entry have been identified for some coronaviruses associated with human disease. HCoV-229E uses CD13 as a receptor. The cellular receptors for HCoV-OC43 and HKU1 are currently unknown. Recently, angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) was identified as a receptor for both SARS-CoV and NL63′
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1287568/
ACE2 receptors appear on the cell membrane in response to insulin resistance. Insulin resistance is caused by high levels of blood sugar and is at the root of chronic lifestyle diseases. High levels of blood sugar are promoted by hyper processed foods.
(I’m a bit of a broken record about hyper processed foods!)
Eat real food. Get some sunshine. Save lives.
Could this explain why Japan has far lower case and death numbers than Western countries?
Japan has something called a metabo law (not related to the Kung Flu). Basically employers are responsible for making sure that employees who have poor metabolic health are persuaded to lose the weight and get active.
I made a post on it last year on my blog. Thought little more about it but last Tuesday 100’s of visitors to the website to read that post. Normally I have a small handful of visitors daily. The visitors were from all over the world – not just Japan. I have no idea what that was about!
Obese people tend to be insulin resistant.
It took the Government about three months to announce that they were going to sponsor an academic inquiry into the wide variation in peoples level of illnes.
This is v interesting Tim thanks. I think a big part of the problem is that people think that there’s just cold virus (not v serious and you can avoid it by not getting cold), flu (only kills birds or people in Asia) and now covid (kills everyone).
People need educating that humans are affected by lots of different respiratory viruses (that the NHS would unlikely have ever tested you for unless perhaps you were hospitalised for pneumonia?) And that they are already often the “cause” of death for many elderly and vulnerable people.
Completely agree. If more people had a better diet, more exercise in the fresh air and took fewer pills generally, they would be less inclined, less likely, to burden the NHS in the first place.
Personal health etc (PSHE) is, apparently, a non statutory subject.
That cannot be right if the taxpayer then has to foot eyewatering tax bills to prop up an incompetently managed, inappropriately funded, health care system based on minimal learning, information, regarding personal health.
The lack of knowledge, interest in acquiring knowledge, is a huge indictment of this country’s state education system.
I won’t pretend I understand a lot of what you said and I apologise if this is what you are saying. I know Ivor Cummings has looked at Japan and Europe death rates and found the levels of vitamin D in old folk were shockingly low in Europe.
Vitamin D does seem to be key, doesn’t it; eating better, fresh air, and slimmer.
Although in Sweden almost all the excess deaths amongst old folks were amongst those who either lived in care homes or were dependent on home visits from care workers.
The main reason in fact why Sweden did so much worse than the rest of Scandinavia was a poorly-organized elderly care system (big care homes, no consistency into which care worker gets sent to which home).
The Left Lockdown Sceptics referred to in the Round Up section is a welcome addition to the voices of dissent. Its creation is another sign that we (those of us who have been opposed to the lockdowns from the outset) are making progress. It is another sign that the lockdown propaganda is nothing like as effective as its carriers would wish. The website’s opening article provides an informed critique, which is well worth reading. It covers the history of the pandemic response in this country in analytical manner, focusing on how disproportionate, unscientific and harmful the response to the virus has been. It is a website that should be encouraged.
Have you got the link?
https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/our-analysis-of-lockdown-and-covid-fascism
A new expression: Covid fascism. That about sums it up
“ Therefore, our main priority at this time is to popularise and extend our analysis among socialists and the wider public, and to convince people that lockdown is wrong and that opposition to this sociopathic policy is the correct course of action.”
Hear hear. It’s very well reasoned and the terms like “sociopathic” and “covid fascism” set the right tone I think. If this circulates in left circles we could see traction. I would suggest a comments section ASAP to start the conversation. Welcome.
Have not read it all yet, but seems pretty impressive. And it is very important to have people who identify as leftist speaking out. (So far, pretty much only OffG and a few individuals.)
Very very welcome indeed.
Has anyone here read Arthur Bough’s blog?
3 metre rule and no talking in the street?
Yep. The supply teachers “running” this show are getting angrier and angrier each day and the more bizarre the law the more they lose the public.
Keep it coming. Within a few days Whitty will just appear on TV screaming and blowing a whistle, to an indifferent national shrug.
How are they going to enforce social distancing, tazer anyone less than 3m apart? its fffing stupid, if people aren’t respecting 2m what makes these desperate pseudoscientists think people will respect 3.
In the voice of John Cleese….
“Stop challenging me! I mean it. Fine. That’s it. 10 metre rule. No. 1 mile rule. Yes you. Standing there outside tesco. Turn around and go back 1 mile. Stop walking when you Herat me blow the whistle. What? No I don’t care if you’re on crutches, you can’t sit down to rest on that bench on the way. Selfish bastard. Move. That’s it. I warned you. Go home. You can try again to buy food next week. Starving? Well you should have thought of that before you chose to be class clown and challenge me shouldn’t you.”
Love it
Sgt Major, barking out orders.
This one is particularly bizarre as most people are still loosely following the 2m rule in shops from what I’ve seen. Not so much outside though.
In my part of the woods, I would say it’s the exact opposite.
If you watched streamed concerts here and abroad, you’ll see the difference.
UK orchestras – slavishly follow the 2m rule hence less instruments and less musicians
(Based from what I’ve watched) German and Italian orchestras – 1m rule, some orchestras not even social distancing and that’s why they still have late 19th and 20th century composers in their repertoire.
Of course Germans and Italians have had a much more recent history with totalitarianism and hence why have been much more inclined to fight back. That said, with Germany its actually more those in the old east, its not for nothing that most of the anti-lockdown protests have been in Berlin, Leipzig and Dresden – all in the old DDR.
Bart, you are right there is certainly more awareness in the old DDR, though whether overall there is much more fightback in Germany than UK I am not sure.
Several officials in Berlin city government are former pre-1989 DDR officials, and police in the city are very bad. Following anti-lockdown (Querdenker) protest in Berlin police blamed violence on Querdenkers. MSM dutifully reported. Then, after questions posed by independent member of city council, police had to admit that police were actually injured in clashes with Antifa counter-protest (‘Vaccination Is Love’). The police must have well known this all along, as must the MSM, who of course did make any effort to correct their initial reports.
The whole level of media manipulation is quite extraordinary. German MSM reporting was even ‘managed’ to ensure the public were not informed about how much corona financial aid was going to large corporations. It’s that bad, I’m afraid.
https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/coronademo-berlin-gewalt-gegen-polizisten/
Well said. Unfortunately a lot of things don’t get reported and I won’t be surprised if the police and MSM there are also using the same tricks applied here.
another ref
https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/80-verletzte-polizisten-bei-corona-demo-aber-durch-linke-taeter/
Spot on, as usual.
I was pretty ambivalent about Brexit, but one thing I thought: once out, the British would then no longer be able to blame the EU for all the ‘rules and regs’, because it was clear to me that the Brits are much more obsessed with health and safetyism than rest of Europe. And hopefully, now Brits will have to face up to this.
Interesting take on Brexit here. (If you had told me a year ago, I would flagging articles from ConWoman — which I had never heard of, of course — I would have given you a very funny look.)
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/despite-brexit-britain-is-an-occupied-country/
Laura Perrins is excellent, in my opinion. She is a barrister and knows her shit. No time for BS with her. You can see her in action in the Delingpod, where she has a regular ‘chinwag’ with James Delingpole (easy to find online). It’s part of my therapy in these dystopian times. Yes, the Conservative Woman website is good, too.
Laura Perrins vs Kay Burley (sp?).
That’s the consequence of trying to maintain the falsehood of a deadly pandemic.They have shut pretty much everything so how can they explain the still rising numbers.
Either the numbers are false or your measures are not working.
Cue the 2 pronged attack on the public.Police filmed smashing down doors and fining people for the heinous crime of socialising and loads of ICU footage showing nurses who are so busy but have always got time to talk to the media.
I left home at 06.50 this morning, at that time there are usually no vacant parking places. Today there were six or seven within a short distance of my quit quiet residential street.
Surely people are not staying away overnight ! ?
bozo & chums will be miffed.
Remainer’s revenge, they still cannot stomach the 2016 defeat.
Surely extending the social distance rule to 3m, is only so that they can call more outdoor spaces “busy” if the masks outdoor rule gets brought in.
Our road isn’t 3m wide.
Ah so we can have longer queues outside supermarkets and fewer people inside.
Only until Grandad catches cold queuing outside in the rain
He’ll just be added to the cull.
They’re only worried about granny. Grandpa is irrelevant
The end is clearly not too far away when they start going bonkers like this. They know the game is nearly up and many are totally in the shit.
the gorilla thing triggers another of my fears of things to come: next they’ll be coming for our pets, a cull of the nation’s cats and dogs
Something like a quarter of the population have dogs as members of their households/families; and a similar proportion of the population have cats as members of their households/families. Whilst I am well aware of how easily the government has been able to impose a fascist dictatorship, I nonetheless do not see the people of this country willingly allowing their loved ones to be sacrificed to the madness. Any such move by the government would inevitably trigger serious resistance, and the last thing the government needs is anything that makes compliance less likely. However, mass killing of this kind is not unprecedented. During the Great Plague (1665) dogs and cats were slaughtered in the hundreds of thousands on the ground that they were a vector for the disease.
Its a fact my wife loves the dog more than me & anyone who tried to harm him would meet their maker, i’m fine with it he is lovable.
and it made the plague worse because only the cats and dogs were keeping down the rats!
The Great Plague had nothing to do with rats – it was not an outbreak of bubonic plague.
my info is out of date
The bubonic plague nonsense was always obvious nonsense. It was invented at the turn of the nineteenth/twentieth century and repeated as fact for a century – a hundred years of the elite pushing of falsehood takes a long time and a lot of effort to undo.
Panspermia? Comet shower? Dirty Asteroid? Aliens?
What was it then?
I do not know. No one knows. From reading the contemporary accounts, it was probably a viral disease, but there is no longer any physical evidence to examine, as it disappeared in the seventeenth century.
It hasn’t disappeared in Madagascar
Parts of India, according to some sources.
What hasn’t disappeared in Madagascar?
Bubonic plague
Most happily sacrificed their friends to suicide….sorry to say I hate this country now. Born and bred British but totally beaten by the supine idiotic nation we’ve become.
I certainly think some people will – sacrifice their “friends” to suicide. Couples and families probably don’t notice – as it’s off their radar. But a lot of us single people will know that we come last/if anywhere at all on the radar of other people (even other single people!). I know I thought “Well – even if They cancel all my social life events – I’ll still have people round to visit in my home/go to their home. They can’t cancel that – we’ll just have to be a bit careful about Covid-snoops” – but have realised that even much of that isn’t happening – because we’re put last and because many other single people are Covid-scared. It was all I could do to persuade a nearby single Covid-scared friend not to let me down re coming round for a Boxing Day meal (ie this is Wales here) – when she rang to cancel on Christmas Eve. Otherwise – I’d have had nothing at all of any description re Christmas socialising – after organised social events being cancelled and married friends putting us singles last.
I think you’re right about “I certainly think some people will – sacrifice their “friends” to suicide. Couples and families probably don’t notice – as it’s off their radar.”
I think your friends have to be full on skeptics as I am married and have single friends and married friends. The married friends are skeptical to a degree but not enough to ‘risk’ visiting us or inviting us or me to their homes, they stick to ‘breaking the law/rules’ with their own family.
Me being a full on skeptic have the single friends round for coffee and the married ones won’t come.
I really despair at the lack of empathy most people have now. The same people that share mental health day etc on social media are the same people who are now condemning the people that are struggling to deal with the lockdown, their reply when it is mentioned is we’re all in the same boat, eh no we’re not.
I share your despair at the lack of empathy from the smugly married And the supreme irony of the lipservice they pay to mental health.
Lack of empathy. I experienced that yesterday with a bug exterminator and two Montreal police officers. I might file a complaint, although it probably won’t do any good.
As a single person (widowed) living in a fairly isolated valley in Wales, this has been my experience too. When my husband died, four years ago, I dragged myself up from the pit of grief and loneliness by creating a life filled with interesting weekly community events, which for me involved dancing and meditation as well as walks with friends who are all married around here. (I work from home and always have done which is isolating in itself.) The Christmas holidays loomed like a dark abyss until one friend invited me over for “Christmas breakfast” because a mutual friend had urged her to after I had mentioned how I was feeling. No fun to be invited because someone felt sorry for you though! One couple I will never speak to again after their callously cheerful text telling me to drop my Christmas card outside the gate. Hopefully the Hindus are right about karma …
hello, Eliza and Melangell
Me too. I live alone and depend, enthusiastically, on the rich resources that are outside my own home: friends, my workplace, cafes, concerts, museums, public transport, shops, galleries, city space, my community choir, etc etc etc… Without these things, my life is desperately miserable and impoverished.
My friends who are married have no conception of the meaning of the prohibition of these activities and places for me.
I’m married and believe me, Mr Bart and I also rely on the things you mentioned above as part of cultivating common interests and keeping our marriage strong. We’ve had rough patches over the past few months and have been trying to find ways to keep doing what we’ve done. I can only assume that lockdownistas who are married aren’t having any marital problems and mental health issues.
The opposite. Those of us singles who are ok with our own company are faring much better than some couples I know who are suffering from mockdown claustrophobia.
No. You are the Best of British. Hang on, Sloopy.
I feel the same way.
There was certainly a thing up on an anti-Lockdown Facebook page where someone was saying how their pet-owning neighbour had come to them wanting them to take on their pet – and the reason being that the vet had (quite rightly) declined to kill it when they’d taken it in to be put down in case they contracted Covid from it!! Cue, obviously, for lots of people offering to take on the care of the poor innocent pet concerned.
Chimpanzee vaccine for them ?
ZiL lanes would save a great deal of embarrassment for our state apparatchiks when exercising with security details.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/world/europe/russia-moscow-highway.html
Who can forget the ZiL lanes at London Olympics where we worshipped NHS and booed evil stove pipe hatted ecocider engineers.
Well the madness and lunacy gets even crazier. A neighbour turned up yesterday for a (mistaken) hospital appointment at a large Plymouth hospital (he does have a serious medical condition) and was amazed to find he was the only one there, As he was there they did carry out some checks.
His comment to me that evening was that the place was spotless, I nearly choked and said it should be all the time not just in a pandemic, silence ensued.
So the lies continue? Is the NHS overwhelmed or just certain parts of it?
Are you down in this part of Devon too? I was in Plymouth city centre yesterday and it was dead – a police car driving around the pedestrian bits. Hard to see those businesses sustaining this.
No police out and about – shame, as after I’d done my mask-free shopping I was all up for having a ‘word’ with them, and letting them know what I think of the bollox laws.
Reminds me of that Yes Minister episode. The hospital in question had won awards for its impeccable hygiene. The hospital had no patients.
The hospital had one: one of the (many) administrators had hurt their ankle.
That’s why they are going to ship in patients from the East of England, expect a spike in deaths for the S/W but it won’t mostly be locals.
Hi, this is the first I have herd of this plan, do you have any further details/info?
I was told by someone on the NHS frontline and another LS reader yesterday confirmed it was already happening at his local hospital, Somerset I think.
https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/our-analysis-of-lockdown-and-covid-fascism
from the round up is an excellent summary of where we are and what has gone wrong from a left-wing perspective
excellent for sending to friends who may be more open to persuasion from that quarter
Although how anyone can remain committed to socialism after this hideous experience of collectivist overreach is completely beyond me.
I’d call it Fascism actually.
There are a lot of things beyond me in this madness. Isn´t this show run by a supposedly liberal Government?
Already done that. Besides, it is a quite good analysis.
If you think Cuomo is on your side, I have a bridge you might be interested in.
I do think Liberals here are positioning themselves to declare victory for Biden, though. In my state, however, the (Democrat) governor just established new “phases” with impossible benchmarks, and will likely never voluntarily give back any of the freedoms he has eliminated. Maybe periodically lent back, but it is now established that he can and will shut everything down at random.
Surely not even a Democrat would introduce draconian lockdowns randomly?
Especially a Democratic Governor.
Just watch NY and California; Cuomo and Newsome.
Though not randomly, but in a calculated way.
Cuomo has been shown the empty cash box, hence the change of heart.
Hoping you aren’t in Va, daughter going back to university (from UK) tomorrow!
we have been barraged with doom and gloom numbers (manipulated at worst, not telling the full story at best) for a year
well from about now, those numbers are going to start going down. people will lose interest in them.
we should make sure we barrage people with numbers of deaths and sufferings from the lockdown – we have many years ahead of this
On a lighter note, my sister-in-law is a bit of a drama queen. She had covid back in the Spring – terrible it was, 9 days in bed. Well apparently she’s gone and got it again – just as bad.
I suggested to my mother that maybe she inform us when she hasn’t got covid just for the sake of efficiency
Asymptomatic death is it this time?
Must have got the ‘wild’ original and now mutant.1, still mutant.2 to go.
Representative Pramila Jayapal just a little over an hour ago tweeted that she tested positive, and without any scientific evidence places the blame squarely on being sequestered with Republican colleagues who refused masks during the Capitol imbroglio. This is ridiculous on so many counts. Does she have genetic sequencing to prove that her positive test result is genetically aligned with any positive cases in said Republican colleagues? Have any of said colleagues tested positive? Does she even have any symptoms? What is the CT value of the test she received? Does she have gene sequencing evidence that her positive test did not result from the coffee-shop, newsstand, grocery store she frequented in the last week? Also, interesting to note that she got her positive test result between midnight and 1am – that is some service! And yes, I know that she is a rep for Washington state, but she references following capitol physician’s advice to self-isolate, so I’m assuming she is still in DC. The lack of critical thought in her denunciation is stunning.
It would make an interesting psychological study as to why people have such a touching and fervent belief in face masks. Anyone who has worked on dusts in industry will know how difficult it is to prevent dust and how what you really need to do is put the dust control on the system and not on the person.
If a dust mask is not really the answer to industrial dust why is a scrotty piece of cloth the answer to a virus? In fact as has been found in industry a dust mask can give a false sense of security as people think they are safe when they are not. In the UK we have had face-masks in shops since July 2020, most people wear one, has it made any difference? no it has not.
It is far easier to persuade someone to believe in pseudoscientific nonsense than to get them to accept actual scientific knowledge.
Both my son and husband use the work masks as examples. My sons qoute being the simplest.
” Builders and welders pay hundreds of pounds for the correct mask for the job, so who in their right mind would believe that a pack of 5 paper masks bought at asda for a fiver are going to stop a fkn virus you can’t see”
He drives a bin lorry and is working with more bacteria and germs you could shake a stick at. The most disgusting thing about it, is some people put their USED paper masks in the RECYCLING bin and then get abusive at the binmen for refusing to lift it.
Our bin men have just come down the road – they were supposed to collect last Friday but couldn’t because some idiot had parked on the pavement blocking the road. Of the four handling the bins only one of them had a mask, half hearted fitted just about over his nose. Mind you, with the stink from their trucks I can fully see why they need to wear them.
That is gross!
This goes back to the bizarre claim that masks work 1 way. When a non mask wearer gets the virus it is claimed he caught it because he didn’t wear a mask. When an ardent mask wearer is infected she claims her mask was never supposed to protect her! Do these people really believe their own words?
The general panic and hysteria is a direct result of the ‘hard hitting emotional messaging’ that the government engaged in back in March.
The effect on people cut off from all social networks has been horrendous,as this went on for months with the daily death count with no qualifying statistics.
A Policeman stopped me in the street, to ask why I wasn’t wearing a mask.
“Sorry Officer” , I replied. “I’m not allowed to engage in conversation, and neither are you, in case we pass the virus.”
That didn’t happen, but it might, and I’m ready.
Chris Whitty said that any unnecessary social interaction would cause a chain of transmission that would lead to a vulnerable person. He said we should all avoid all unnecessary social contacts. I was waiting for him to tell the police to stay at home, save lives: but he didn’t.
Its true and its been true for ever and it will be true in future. We have all, in the past, been links in chains of transmission that kill old people. But what’s the alternative? Its just life.
The only way to avoid it is to commit suicide as soon as you get a sniffle and have arrangements in place for your corpse to be burned by people in hazmat suits.
Whitty explicitly said “unnecessary” – the implication being that necessary social contacts do not cause chains of transmission.
true. I suppose Whitty might have a different definition of necessary and unnecessary to me. Necessary to keep my basic life functions going? Necessary to live a rewarding life?
When you look at Chris Witty, there is something disturbing about him and you do wonder what is his idea of unnecessary social contact. It is almost as if he finds people disturbing!
But on a wider issue why are we getting all this guff from unelected health tyrants, they should have been put back in their box by the politicians months ago. But our politicians could not run an inebriated celebration in a place of alcohol production and so the tail (health tyrants) are very much wagging the dog.
A wonderful reformulation!
Chris Whitty looks like a psycho, those eyes just seem evil.
I think he tends to look very uncomfortable delivering what he knows is utter bollox. Not that I have any sympathy for his plight.
They all know its bollocks. I saw through it from day one
This shows how incompetent he is or an accomplished liar. Is he trying to say the plague is out there?
Should the Police work from home then?
Chris Whitty has never had any social interaction to know what it is.
This is what i’ve been wondering, does the right to remain silent still remain?
As far as i’m aware corona/health legislation doesn’t cancel out existing legal rights.
According to Chris Daw QC (above) police have no power to ask why you’re out, so you don’t have to engage with them.
Don’t ever talk or engage with police, say nothing, other than am i under arrest? am i being detained? if the answers no walk away. if they ask your details ask if you’re obliged to give them & under what grounds. Don’t engage, Walk away!
If the police believe you have committed an offence under the coronavirus regs you are obliged to stop and give them your name and address and take the fixed Penalty Notice if they issue one. You can be arrested for refusing to give your details if a police officer is trying to issue you with a Fixed Penalty Notice under the coronavirus regs.
If you feel you have a reasonable explanation i guess you would want to give that in the hope that would be the end of the matter.
I feel this fixed Penalty Notice business has been used way beyond anything that was envisaged when the system started for the purpose of motoring offences. We now have the Police using fixed penalty notices a bit like the money they try and extort from you when you are stopped at a Nigerian road block. I have twice written to the Attorney General about this but have received no reply, there needs to be a full Parliamentary review and discussion on the use of fixed Penalty Notices.
On a practical note; a Fixed Penalty Notice is not a fine, it is an offer to do a deal, it should have on it the address and procedure to take if you wish to reject the Fixed Penalty Notice and opt to send your ‘offence’ details to the CPS for consideration of court proceedings.
Nooooooooooo, Police only ever ask questions to determine if you are guilty! Say nothing. if they ask for your details ask if you are obligated to & under which law to give them. Its not about winding them up or avoidance its a matter of law! I’m not interested what police think or proving my innocence, its for them to prove guilt under the powers they’ve been given under the law, volunteer nothing.
In South Africa the police just lament the shortage of beer for the party they are having after work. Quite endearing really.
“The UK’s most senior police officer says it is “preposterous” that anyone could be unaware of the need to follow the coronavirus lockdown rules.”
I’m unaware of the need for it. I know the government wants me to do it but it is a) morally wrong b) counterproductive
oops – just found out Cressida Dick has a BA in Agriculture & Forest Sciences.
I defer to her authority on tackling a ‘pandemic’
In which case she should know that Extrinsic allergic alveolitis (farmers lung) is very hard to control with a face mask and what you need to do is put dust controls on the combine and the handling and grading machinery.
She should know that face masks give a false sense of security and should be directing her officers to tell the public to remove them for the sake of their health.
P.S. Extrinsic allergic alveolitis is one of the reasons listed on my face-mask exemption slip which I will present if ever challenged, and I will decline to explain it in layman’s terms, if they ask for medical reasons then they should be capable of understanding a medical answer.
We all knew that Steve.
Face muzzles are a criminals paradise. In her crime ridden shithole she certainly shouldn’t have her officers sporting them. Like much of the Public Sector the CCP Virus is used as an excuse, or deflection for poor performance.
If she really went after proper criminals, rather than easy target innocents, then she would have the added bonus of real CCP Virus law ignorers. Too tough for most of the goons in the Met. So many selected these days not up to the job, don’t even look the part. Shorties and fatties, never used to get in the Police.
So she is an expert on bullshit and planks.
Cressida has a BA Hons in scissoring
She can’t see the wood for the trees.
Calling Richard O.
You made a perceptive comment yesterday evening about Hancock’s susceptibility to flattery, and I replied saying that Churchill in his book Great Contemporaries had made similar remarks about the German Kaiser.
Well I’ve dug it out – it’s the paragraph spanning pp. 23-4 here:
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.13535/page/n41/mode/2up
As I re-read it today, it strikes me how applicable this must be to the likes of Bill Gates and the rest of the bubble-living zoo.
Kay Burley used to tongue his backside something rotten. It was blatant to everyone apart from Wanksock that she was playing at being the anti-Piers Morgan.
“Every death, for whatever reason, is tragic and shocking.”
No, I don’t think so. My husband was diagnosed with dementia 10 years ago, he’s been in care for 5. He does not know me or his children and makes no sense when talking. Last year he broke his femur and is no longer mobile. He is in his 90th year. I will not find his death shocking or tragic.
yes, deaths of old age can certainly not be described as either tragic or shocking.
Perhaps ‘beneficial and expected’
My mum was starting to find living independently in her seaview apartment difficult when she went into the local community hospital and passed away at 84 years peacefully within a few days.
She would not have wanted to go into a care home and the whole family agreed it was for the best.
As my 91 year old step father, a farmer, has always observed about someone being kept alive, after all their faculties have gone, “if I kept an animal like that I would be up in court”.
Agreed -my mother died after nearly three years of dementia. In a moment of lucidity she said that she wished she had died before the onset.
Similar situation to my mother, aged 94, who has recently passed away. Dementia for the last 5 years, recognised no family members, and during visits she spent the entire time crying. Not pleasant for any of us, and rather than saddened at her death at 94, I am glad she has finally departed.
Agreed. I was relieved by my mother’s death last July at the age of 96. She had been in a care home for only 4 weeks, absolutely hated it, and spent all her time ranting about why it was like being punished and in solitary confinement. She was in poor health but of sound mind. As I could see this fiasco lasting longer than she would, death sooner rather than later was the kindest thing. She died of a heart attack, brought about by the stress caused by lockdown.
My mother has a phrase, “you never regret having a dog put down”. I expect, given the choice, with dearly loved relatives, whose spirits have long since departed this world, the same sentiment would apply.
A friend of mines wife had dementia. He said it was like having the body but not having the funeral.
A neighbours mother who’s in her 90s has dementia and hasn’t recognised her daughter for 3 years, has had several mini strokes, is doubly incontinent and is only capable of lying looking at the ceiling. She got C19 and recovered. Her daughter said she should of died. Her mother was a nurse and would hate what she has become.
My 96 year old nan, who had severe mobility issues, and who told me a couple of years back “don’t ever get old” died at the end of January last year. She had been in hospital a few times in the previous month (a day or two each time) and died, somewhat unexpectedly, during the night on her last stay, having been visited by many family members including myself that day. It was very sad for all concerned but the whole family agreed she died at the right time given what happened just a few weeks later.
My Mum aged 80 was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s 12 months ago and is already a caricature of her former self. I hope the decent into this dreadful disease won’t be long and drawn out but I fear it will due to this fervent desire to vaccinate everybody against anything that might otherwise give them a merciful release from chronic and debilitating conditions.
The whole country is on the verge of herd immunity. If we had opened up the country in the middle of April we would have been spared most of this “second wave”. Indeed, because people would have had much more robust immune systems in that extraordinary spring sunshine, we may well have been spared the small number of excess deaths we are currently seeing. And maybe, the virus would have mutated, if it was spread by healthy immune systems, into a much less contagious strain…
The second wave is largely propaganda and it is still without the bodybags.
You may be interested to know that the Radio 4 programme More or Less is back for another series starting tomorrow;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qshd
Tim Harford is not a lockdown sceptic but I feel he is quite good at providing an objective look at the statistics.
Time to change “good morning/afternoon/evening” to “fuck off ,” in the new normal.
“Sorry I can’t hear you”? (Or silence and traditional palm behind the ear)
Ms Dick from the Ministry of Love is prepostered (no me neither) by people gambling in basements
I couldn’t agree more. Round here they are playing football matches in washing machines
Last week the 2021 Olympics were staged in a wheelie bin round the corner. Bet you missed that one (although it was broadcast live on BBC Alba)
Jumbo Jets are taking off and landing on the local golf course
On Tuesday last the local Amateur Dramatic Society recreated the chariot race scene from Ben Hur in the chimney flue of the local pub
I’m so outraged I can’t decided if I’m prepostered or postpostered
Dear Cecil, are you quite sure you’ve checked all your facts?
Exactly the same round here, we even have snooker in a skip along the street.
Boycott Morrison’s and Sainsbury’s.
Hancock and Morrisons seek to consign people unable to wear a face covering because of their disability to a life of invasion of privacy, harassment, justification, isolation, misery, and mental distress. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1348704939476983810)
Click and collect is the way. No need to go in or wear a mask. Cowardly I know but punching down on the minimum wage staff doesn’t feel that brave either.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HA!
“Socialists against lockdown” made me laugh to tears.
This whole thing is socialism in practice ya eejits. It’s also the pathway to socialism’s natural terminus: communism.
If there are any socialists reading this I would rethink your stance as it is what you are seeing now, don’t like lockdown then stop being anti freedom socialists.
Socialism has never worked and the constant conversations about it are only delaying levelling up of our country (Scotland especially).
I recommend everyone read it if you want a laugh.
I used to think that, but its doing pretty bloody well at the moment, all our institutions are infested with it.
“For the many, not the few”, that’s Socialism to me. You obviously think Socialism is something different.I mean, even John Bolton, in an interview with Varoufakis, recognises that China is no longer Communist. It is a Totalitarian state according to Bolton. I agree and am sure you do too. Remember John Lennon didn’t write ” a working class traitor is something to be”.
It’s plan is very much communist. Even their ‘private’ compa ies must follow their every word. We’re following a very dangerous path.
If it gets left-leaning types on board with lockdown scepticism, then it’s welcome.
Neo-Liberalism has shrouded itself in the cloak of Leftism.
But they are not in any way shape or form
it was a shrewd takeover though I’ll give them that
They are sincere and isolated traditional socialsts as I consider myself. Labour is a husk filled with identitarian neoliberals who find class politics passé. While scepticism is rarer on the Left it is there.
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/dangerous-coronavirus-bill-hc-bill-122-rushed-through-the-uk-parliament?fbclid=IwAR3r7xVHkE1U3PdYY_4KNp5IOGoHcZsgvJhyLsF24TOwyW9uLZaKuwVhLvM
Another petition to sign…
Heartily sick of the asymptomatic transmission myth being banded about as if gospel. There are, as yet, no trustworthy studies to prove this happening and in the words of Mike Yeadon it is “implausible”.
How do we pass on respiratory viruses? By an aerosol expulsion of them from our respiratory tract by coughing or sneezing. Without symptoms we are not doing that.
“Case” numbers are highly inflated as are “deaths with”, as we all know. NHS is always too busy at this time of year. If we could stop health workers self isolating because they’ve been in the same room as someone with a positive PCR then we may get somewhere.
Off for my weekly walk with a friend and her dog at a moderately local (I have to drive there) beauty spot. My turn to bring the thermos. I will watch out for the rozzers and report back later.
What is the latest thinking on that. I found https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707 which at first sight suggests it is rampant . But the baseline assumptionsfor the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms.”. Maybe someone who is more qualified can review this but it seems to be that the conclusions do follow from that assumption but if the assumptions are incorrect then they are not valid.
Really just about to go out the door now but I would ask
1) how are they measuring infection – dodgy PCR which could tell that I owned a Labrador 3 years ago from a sample of the hearth rug we bought after we lost him?
2) how are the assessing “infectious”? Can they prove these individuals passed it on or is it just speculation and our friend modelling?
Classic CCP psyop, even they must have been surprised by how successful it’s been.
Haven’t linked to the article as it is behind a paywall but the Irish Independent is reporting that people in Ireland who have had COVID19 may be asked to defer receiving the vaccine for 6 months – almost like having had the illness gives you immunity or something…
That is the first, half sensible, vaccine policy I have heard about.
Should see a big drop in reported IFR.
Are we in chains of transmission or just in chains?
These hysterical lockdown fanatics that you see online, you know the ones with avatars of their own stupid muzzled faces? Well I’m not convinced in the slightest that these people are concerned with preserving any life, not even the vulnerable 0.01% who stand the greatest risk of being bumped off by Covid.
Whenever they attack sceptics, they are not doing so out of compassion for the comorbid elderly. They are doing so to vigorously defend their new comfortable, work-from-home lifestyles. They are doing so to defend the theatre of the “pandemic” – where they have installed themselves as actors in the greatest drama of their usually dull and unfulfilled lives. They are doing so to moralise about “our NHS,” and signal their virtue by wearing their masks, keeping their distance and following the rules.
These self-styled humanitarians genuinely believe that by offering their freedoms on a platter to the state, they are performing some kind of benevolent act for the good of society. The powerful dopamine hit this gives them sustains the Covidian cult. They are blind to the devastating socioeconomic costs caused by lockdowns because it simply doesn’t affect them, and as such it doesn’t take importance over the value they place on being a verified Good Citizen as defined by the state. These are the same people who would happily snitch on their neighbours to improve their social credit score, or would have merrily collaborated with the Gestapo or the Stasi.
So here we are, educations of millions of children destroyed, many shackled to abusive parents in squalid living conditions. The quality life years lost by rocketing suicides dwarfing those lost to a virus that mainly affects those in Death’s waiting room. Thousands of our elderly dying at home each month from treatable conditions (as long as it isn’t Covid, hey?). An economy in free-fall, with mass unemployment and destitution set to scar these lands for potentially decades to come. Our right to live as we choose stripped away by unelected, monomaniacal “experts” with vested interests.
All this pain and suffering just so a privileged group of people can feel warm and fuzzy because they’re doing “the right thing.” Sickening doesn’t quite cut it.
As the saying goes “ easier to do something than nothing.”
A perfect summary.
Yes it is the sponging, middle class, work from home, paid for non-job type who the government has carefully targeted to keep on side.
There is another subset of zealotry that has yet to be identified and that is the “work from homers” that don`t actually do any work i.e. Dolies. They also shriek loudly on soshal meeja about stayin at home and nhs heroes. Their posts can usually be identified by the appalling spelling and grammar. They are similarly unaffected in that they rarely go to the pub (cans of stella are cheaper). they do not attend concerts, theatre, festivals or anything else culturally enriching. Many are no strangers to the biscuit tin but are, sadly, strangers to the library.
I thought they were the trolls from the 77th.
Totalitarianism makes somebodies out of nobodies, and does its best to make nobodies out of somebodies.
Sums it up perfectly Annie.
This is important. We’ve said it before that they love the drama. They’ve maybe always wanted a real cause to show their friends they were full of virtue. Sure, they donate to charity and help out with the corporate whip round every Christmas. However, this is a global cause, their WWIII and they are on the front line now. The masks are excellent because they help to display their allegiance to this cause.
That behaviour had already started long before the pandemic came along. It was fuelled by social media. It seemed relatively harmless, just annoying, but this has shown what can happen when it runs away and how the potential for debate, nuance, context, consideration, growth, etc. is not possible in 140 characters or less. It’s reduced to slander and soundbites. Orwell explained how the narrowing of language results in the narrowing of thought and Newspeak is here, in the form of hashtags.
Good post! These are the sort of people who in another place and time would be writing bad poems about Comrade Stalin being the sun and the revolution the dawn.
well said!
Excellent point and this attitude can also be seen among the rich and middle classes in the Third World (I should know because I have family there) and adherence to the Covidian cult is repellent especially in light of the appalling and grinding poverty. Attitudes towards and provision for mental health being stuck in the Pre-Cambrian Era also have a part to play with being devotees of this new religion.
Some members of my family have seen fit to lecture me about staying at home and wearing muzzles. To which I have politely told them to fuck off and have kept them at arms’ length ever since. This includes muting them on anti-social media as I can’t abide their nauseous virtue signalling and complicity in child abuse as well as “imprisonment” of our parents who have developed Stockholm Syndrome as a result.
History shows collaborators are in the majority, depressing but true.
All I maintain is that on this earth there are pestilences and there are victims and it’s up to us, so far as possible, not to join forces with the pestilences.
The Plague
Totally agree with your comments and the others below it. I find the nauseating virtue signalling from those who are relatively unscathed to be one of the worst aspects of this unpleasant episode. I think it had something to do with the knee-jerk reaction that got us into this mess and I’m sure it facilitated compulsory masks.
Contrary to some here, I am cautiously optimistic that there will be reckoning after the false narrative unravels and that the (surviving) victims of lockdowns will unite and seek justice. Populist parties are likely to tap into this anger and increase their support base. As a political scientist, it’s intersting to see how the Rona episode re-aligns the party system here and elsewhere.
So the sainted NHS want private hospitals to down tools as well… is this to free up capacity for the ‘inevitable’ influx of COVID patients? Or are we about to see enforced withdrawal of all non COVID medical care? Or is it just a very nasty organisation that doesn’t want the private sector to be seen to be providing services that the NHS is not?
my opinion is this will inevitably lead to the NHS being privatised, they are putting the nails in their own coffin with constant whinging and saying they cant cope. Well if you cant cope you are not fit for purpose, lets bring in people that can run health care efficiently.
Spend £20bn on a scheme to track the movements of everyone and then order them all to stay home
Brilliant!!
“That’s enough of that defeatist nonsense, Frazer! “
Has Sweden published the total mortality in the country for 2020?
Yep, someone posted it earlier I think. Looking good, like an average year. Not being reported in the MSM, so you can tell it is good.
Email I got from Sainsbury’s this morning:
I have spent a lot of time in our stores over the past few days and I need to ask for your help with two key issues to keep you and all my colleagues safe.
When shopping in our stores, you must wear a mask or visor unless you have a medical exemption. And you should also shop on your own. Thank you for your support.
Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups. I know you’ll understand and support what we are trying to do.
We have also significantly reduced the number of customers allowed in our stores at any one time to ensure social distancing is maintained at all times.
Together, these steps will go a long way to keep everyone safe, whether you are shopping or working with us.
Please wear a mask or visor and please shop alone in our stores. Thank you for helping us to keep everyone safe.
Best wishes
Simon
I’m pretty certain the guidance (not law!) says that people shouldn’t be challenging us to prove we’re exempt from wearing masks!
I would tell them to take a hike because these aren’t law and as for shopping alone, many people can’t carry as much as they can and need someone else to help.
What about those with disabilities and need companions?
This is discrimination pure and simple.
The British government, while ‘mandating’ mask wearing, recognises this is against the spirit of the 1998 Human Rights Act so have allowed those who are distressed at ‘wearing … a face covering’ to exempt themselves. The key words from gov.uk are: “If you have a reason for not wearing a face covering, you don’t need to show any written evidence of this; you don’t need an exemption card … (It) is a personal choice, not required by law.” That is from gov.uk!!!
Ye so if you have any health problems caused by wearing a mask it is not the governments fault because you had a choice to exempt yourself.
They are going to use that as a get out clause if anyone tries to sue the government if they become ill through muzzle wearing.
If I remember correctly, they said the same during the previous attempt to ramp things up. Nothing really changed on the ground and I’ve never been appraoched in one of their stores.
I’ll avoid them whenever I can anyway because nonsense like this is irritating and the beers are cheaper in Tesco Express!
What can you expect when the majority shareholder in the company is Middle Eastern?
He should have finished the email with : Long live Kin Jun Ill! As this sounds like we are now in fucking N Korea! To quote Oliver Cromwell : You , my dear sir, are scum, complete and utter scum!!
Boycott!
Had my meeting yesterday finally and was relieved to learned that I’ve escaped the chop. The manager who I had the meeting with said that I’ve performed consistently well.
That was a relief but of course its a Pyrrhic victory as we’re still shut. What happens if we’re shut any longer? Bet they will have to make more people redundant.
If I was being cheeky, I would propose to us just opening up with no restrictions and be the first to volunteer with my maskless face ready to welcome visitors.
Thanks to everyone here who have been supportive throughout this drama, its been very much appreciated. The LS community has been more of a friend than many other people I know.
Very happy for you, Bart.
Well done, Bart, from an ex Historic Royal Palaces employee.
I’m relieved for you Bart! I was hoping that you’d survive the chop.
I’m pleased for you but surprised that you were not made an example of for questioning the mantra of muzzles etc.
I’m very pleased for you. One of our number has survived for now. I hope you keep in work long term
The good thing about my workplace is they’re afraid of three things – courts, tribunals and media (including social media). There would have been hell to pay and they would have been crucified mercilessly had they discriminated against people with disabilities.
Brilliant news Bart, I was thinking about you last night and hoping you’d had good news.
Great news!
That is happy news. You are my favourite Heritage-Sector Professional.
Glad to hear it
Great news Bart. One of these days I look forward to visiting the museums in London and even meeting you face to face, but suspect those days are still a long way off.
Great news!
Thank you all for your kind remarks. When this shit show is over please visit my workplace and you can be assured of a warm welcome & great service from me and my colleagues.
Glad to hear your news.
Good news Bart!
When I was arrested back in November I was chatting to my arresting officer during the long wait, and he told me his hobby was cycling and that he had done the 150-mile London to Brighton round trip, so I am using this as a yardstick for my permitted exercise.
at my age that would take a week or two
During the Olympics the cyclists went from central London to the outskirts quicker than I could by Public transport.
I’ve just placed a huge sign outside our local Sainsburys
‘Please do not shop here. We do not want your money’
Well, they started it
Another one with a death wish so let’s grant their heart’s desire and boycott them
#BoycottSainsburys
You rebel!! Much admiration.
Love love LOVE this
The poll for David Warburton’s stance on lockdown is going well.
Support vote against LD: 92.1%
Do not support: 7.9%
https://twitter.com/SeanDromgoole/status/1348650188982939648
Pleased to see that. Not on Twatter and have no intention of joining so can’t add my vote.
I am not going to divulge quite how much that has made my day!!!!!
I hope everyone on Twitter is saving and sharing the poll result…
I see a lot of good stats from the CDC on adverse vaccination events. Have we any publically avaliable stats here in the UK?
Not that I’ve seen anyway :o((
No, we take a different approach in the UK: we have a recorded message that repeats over and over again, “the vaccine is safe”.
40% of over 80s have received the vaccine. But we are told hospitalisations are at record levels “due to Covid”. Something doesn’t add up.
the vaccine takes several weeks to ‘not work very well’
and you need a second shot after three weeks
With regards to the lack of Wild Pheasants. I should think that the vast majority of butchers, food outlets source their pheasant supply from commercial shoots or even syndicates. These involve ‘shooting parties’ of up to 8/10 people maybe more on the big commercial shoots(they would still be classified as wild pheasants). They would bag possibly 400 pheasants a day (a heinous crime to some). Farm syndicates – local farmers shooting on their own land again would shoot many pheasants to supply their local butchers. These activities are not happening – hence the lack of pheasants.
Apart from the heinous crime bit, a very good summation. The only birds being shot at the moment are “walked up” birds and they will be going straight into the freezer of the people doing the shooting. There are a few spare birds in the butchers but driven shooting, by farm syndicate or large commercial shoot, is not permitted. Most shoots anticipated there would be serious disruption this winter and cut back on numbers accordingly. If only PHE was run by a gamekeeper!?!?
The country needed leadership, and probably still does. But we have headless chickens infesting our entire establishment and public sector.
That reckoning cannot come soon enough.
Received a semi diatribe from the CEO of Sainsburys.
Wear a mask and shop alone ( not “please shop alone”.
The CEO’s emails have been patronising and irritating. Does he write them or leaves them to a minion with little to non-existent skill and experience of drafting letters and doing research before bashing on the keyboard?
Shows how standards have really plumbed to a new low.
Boycott!
Every word of this… if you haven’t read it yet, as someone who is fervently ANTI lockdown (I’m in the Bob Moran camp of “lockdowns are immoral under ANY circumstances.”) I recommend you stop whatever you’re doing and read it now. And send it to everyone, especially those who are wavering!
https://thecritic.co.uk/lockdown-sceptics-are-societys-gadflies/
People pay £600+ a year for the privilege of carrying a tracking device around with them
The tracking device enables the dictatorship to lock them up without trial
On the plus side the tracking device allows the owner to take pictures of themselves
Wouldn’t it be less expensive and injurious to their freedom to purchase a mirror?
You’re on excellent form today, Cecil.
Hancock is like the cornered criminal… knows the gig is up, he’s going to be arrested, starts smashing everything up and inflicting as much pain as possible while he still has the chance. Encouraging shops to BREAK THE LAW by discriminating against people who cannot wear masks. Insert ANY other group and there would be public outcry, but he has demonised “those who will not obey”. Evil, EVIL little man!
I agree – as was discussed here last week the overreach point happened with the school closures. As the stories of over demand for places continue in the press seems to me the silent (generally mask wearing) majority have decided enough is enough. My daughter’s school is running north of 60% attendance and it’s affluent parents exactly the demographic that should be their core support.
Let’s not pretend there won’t be some further attempts at madness but I do think it’s coming to an end. Suspect the supermarket stunts around masks are a put up job simply because Hancock et al know they have lost authority. If you look at the Telegraph comments now the vast majority are just laughing at the ridiculous nature of the suggestion of the day.
Schools are not really closed. Stagecoach sent the usual two double deckers to pick up the kids from an outlying suburb to bus them across town (piss poor town planning natch).
“Made it ma. Top of the world!” (Boom)
Cody Jarrett.
That ghastly little shit needs to be fired, he is effectively sanctioning shops to be abusive to the disabled, I am furious with him. Shopping is torture enough for me as an exempt without even more abuse from maskoids. I hate Matt Hancock.
Posted this late last night but I think it’s worth posting again. Looks like someone has put together a series of interviews from doctors all confirming what we know already, that this is a scam.
https://www.brighteon.com/d8cf12e6-167e-423f-a13a-0589b381fff6
Hodkinson is brilliant! Ironically everything he’s saying should stop is currently being “ramped up”.
Oh dear, I woke up again today. I was hoping I would die in my sleep, but I didn’t.
I noticed an e-mail from the BBC asking me to complete a survey about what I thought of their services. As the survey didn’t work, I complained. Here is my complaint:
—–
I have just been sent a survey to complete by the BBC. I wanted to take part in the survey to register how disgusted in general I am with the BBC.
Unfortunately, the link you sent me just puts me into a “loop” of asking for my email address and then telling me that you sent me an email and then asking for my email address again. I never actually get to take the survey, so I thought I’d let you know what I think about your vile organisation in a complaint instead.
I am of the opinion that I would like to see the BBC burned to the ground and many of the bigwigs that are in charge of it swinging from lamp posts.
You people are totally disgusting. You have facilitated in destroying our country by helping to scare the living daylights out of everyone.
COVID-19 IS NOT AS DEADLY AS YOU PEOPLE HAVE MADE OUT. Why would you advocate destroying everyone’s human rights and trashing the economy for a disease that most people have a 99.95% chance of surviving? One with an average age of death of 82 years old? Just why?
If you kill the economy, there will be no money for the NHS. Without an economy and a health care service PEOPLE WILL DIE. Do you people not understand this?
I am NEVER going to forgive you traitors for this.
I am going to get a ladder, RIP DOWN my TV antenna, uninstall iPlayer from all of my devices and then you scumbags are never getting another penny out of me ever again.
Once BLM get their act together this will kick off
That should keep the rozzers busy and prevent them bothering us
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/mohamud-mohammed-hussain-death-cardiff-19604010?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
BLM really don’t like the browns deep down
They are not black enough
Many of the BLM scum is white
. As long as the globalist filth pays for them to protest I don’t think they care
Just received this email from Sainsbury’s:
“I have spent a lot of time in our stores over the past few days and I need to ask for your help with two key issues to keep you and all my colleagues safe.
When shopping in our stores, you must wear a mask or visor unless you have a medical exemption. And you should also shop on your own. Thank you for your support.
Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups. I know you’ll understand and support what we are trying to do.
We have also significantly reduced the number of customers allowed in our stores at any one time to ensure social distancing is maintained at all times.
Together, these steps will go a long way to keep everyone safe, whether you are shopping or working with us.
Please wear a mask or visor and please shop alone in our stores. Thank you for helping us to keep everyone safe.
Best wishes
Simon”
I intend to respond but I’m not exactly sure how to at the moment, surely this is discrimination?
I haven’t actually posted on here for a while since they changed the log in method, it won’t recognise my old log in name for some reason.
Anyway, I’d appreciate your thoughts!
What about shoppers who need to accompanied by carers by virtue of Disability?
Yes, I had that this morning – seriously makes me think of switching to Amazon and hope the fuckers go bust
Got the same. Just replied now expressing disappointment at his lack of faith in his customers. To assume that somebody without a mask doesn’t have a reason is to assume criminality. Also, posed the hypothetical situation of somebody with anxiety feeling coerced into donning a mask and then something bad happening, in which case his letter will obviously be used as evidence in a court of law.
I’m one of those non mask wearing anxiety people. When challenged I go into Hulk, meltdown mode.
Fwiw on the log in. I find after I input my pass and name the site says error – sending email to reset password. At that point I do not click the reset email link, instead I use the broweser back button to go back to the main page with comments. There I find that I am now logged in.
how about “f*ck off, it’s not your job to act as the government’s gestapo. i will be using Aldi or lidl in future”
Why doesn’t he take a hike? Anyway a lot of Sainsbury’s fruit is shite (Co-op, Waitrose, M&S are better) and also overpriced (Tesco and Lidl more competitively priced).
Echoing other posters here:
I hope to God someone does sue Sainsbury’s to put the fear of God in them and other retailers, venues, museums, etc…
We don’t have a market unfortunately and have to source our fruit and veg from the supermarket. Mr Bart does grow stuff in his allotment but there’s a limit to what he can grow.
I suspect that something they sprayed in the apples did cause the allergic reaction. Most odd.
Probably a coating of wax to a) keep in the moisture and b) make them look pretty and shiny. Could be carnauba or shellac.
I suspect that a lot of people will never go back into a Supermarket again. What is the point if they have no deli service any more and you can source your fresh food from markets, small shops and farmers?
I think Tesco are already heading towards a warehouse solution for home deliveries and will probably change their supermarkets to a sort of “concession” model.
Supermarkets will still exist especially for areas that don’t have markets, small shops and farm shops but I think many of them have alienated so many people that they’re boycotting them and would happily travel further to source their food.
I hate supermarkets now. Even when this nonsense is over I’m going to associate Tesco with facemask oppression. I think I’ll start using the Aldi they’re building in my town when it opens.
We had a reverse osmosis unit installed in the kitchen for drinking water, with a line to the freezer for ice cubes. It wasn’t all that expensive. Figure we’ll be money ahead in a few more months. Has helped us to avoid the mask nazi grocery store and as a bonus, no more lugging bottled water up from the garage.
sweden has updated their daily deaths info – now into 2021
https://scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/preliminar-statistik-over-doda/
nothing to see really. Ferguson will be fuming
Does anyone know someone who has had the vaccine?
If so do they get issued with any kind of ‘proof’ that they have?
My father has had the Oxford jab. No “proof” issued.
Is he doing ok? The AstraZeneca one had the two cases of transverse myelitis in the trials.
Seems to be. Looked tired when I saw him on Sunday (jabbed on Friday), so probably way too early to tell.
1 care worker and one elderly lady, the latter still scared of the virus. Didn’t mention proof.
What would happen if they went elsewhere for a third jab ‘just to be on the safe side’?
They will be entered into the computer system (Pinnacle?).
Yes a couple of people I know have had the Oxford one as they are both NHS workers and they were issued with a card with the type of vaccine that they had and the date.
Do they look easy to fake? Or have they got QR codes etc on?
Anything can be duplicated.
Will let you know what I find on the darkest corners of the net
My mother in law had her invite. On the extended family zoom I said ‘we should all say our goodbyes now then’ which got a few laughs
My husband got a card.
You get a number tattooed on your hand ,they saw it in a book or something and they it works wonders.
Both inlaws have been done and they just got a card. From what I could tell, the admin side is awful. There is no way any of the tracking done so far could be used as the basis of a system where you have to prove you have been vaccinated. The GP doesn’t even know and would have to ask you and take your word for it.
I just sent this to Tim Harford at BBC More or Less..
Thank you for your excellent programmes.
I just downloaded this from the NHS website.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/weekly-total-archive/
Total deaths under 60 with no pre-existing condition = 6+46+342 = 394.
Do you think the data suggests that the majority of deaths are caused by other diseases but that these cases happen to have a relatively unrelated PCR test?
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I e-mailed More or Less about vitamin D.I had no reply.
I did get an acknowledgement. We need to keep doing, the results will come.
The way forward. Only people will lead the way out of this, after the cowardice of the Establishment:
https://twitter.com/itstime2rise/status/1348550964135923712
Good news, shame our hospitality industry just seems intent on complaining about being shut and asking the Government for more money.
Frustrating in fact!!
It’s tbe opposite. There is a domino effect in Northern Ireland at the minute with hotels and gyms offering their space for vaccination centres. Pathetic stuff
I think there is something in this. Mr TT is from a farming background. Were it not for farmers getting lawyered up, and the senior vets lobbying directly to Government during the Foot & Mouth crisis in the early 2000s, where Neil Ferguson’s modeling was first employed by the then CSA (Sir David King), every single cloven hooved animal in the UK would have been killed. The country would have been in the situation of potential mass starvation. We would have killed all of the pedigree breeding stock from which much of the world’s animals are bred. Where are our doctors, lawyers and business leaders in this latest Ferguson-inspired crisis?
I have to say of all the professions complicit in this fraud, the medics have disappointed me the most, I expected police to be twats, but why haven’t more doctors blown more whistles.
Senior medics are always the first to cave when totalitarianism calls from left or right, same goes for academics.
Twitter feed not available to me?
Comes up OK for me – should come up even if not on Twitter…
Try reloading page.
That’s what I’ve been saying. Every shop, restaurant, venue, museum, heritage site should just reopen without any restrictions and let the police try to shut them down.
Refuse to pay the fines, cry foul and demand that it goes to court. See how they like it being held up for 50,000 years.
Seconded, If everyone was just to defy the government, reopen everything and just chuck out all the social distancing and mask crap the old normal would just return by default. If enough people did this the police would be overwhelmed and there would be nothing the tossers in Wasteminster could do about it. It would be like the wizard of Oz “You’ve always has the power to go back to Kansas”
I’ve been trying to find if there were any laws enacted in WW2 to punish ‘fear-mongering’. I can’t find anything
I have been listening to ‘Operation Sea-lion’ by Leo McKinstry and I’m sure there was something in there – but I am always half asleep.
Yes there were, I can’t remember what they were called but it was dealt with in an episode of Foyles War.
is it good? is it on amazon? I just had a look on wiki and I’d be interested in seeing the stuff set in 1940
I would imagine so. It features Michael Kitchen as a police inspector running Hastings police station during and beyond WW2. Looks at lots of different aspects of civilian life.
Pre-woke BBC, about 6 series.
thanks! might give it a try tonight!
It’s on Prime at around £5 per 4 episode season – 9 seasons.
The Establishment’s actions are certainly akin to an air steward running up and down an aircraft’s aisle screaming “we’re all gonna die!!!”
This is what I was thinking. Whatever happened to keep calm and carry on?
If we could find the old law we could reinvigorate it to deal with Ferguson, SAGE, the Nudge Unit and the BBC
Is that the one where you clap for the NHS?
Only if you’re barking.
This situation got me thinking. We look back at WW2 with a certain understanding that the outcome was successful and therefore everything done was with the blessing of the population. It got me thinking that there must have been quite a few people at the time thinking that we should just stick to protecting our boarders and leave the mainland to it.
Also, we face the prospect of ‘Victory’ day, possibly later this year. I know a lot of people think the outcome is something else, but I think sometime in the summer, we could well see the government claim a victory, even if we are not 100% out of it. Can you imagine how insufferable that will be? Sir Matt Hancock anyone?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55622371 although very sad given the age of the person, but, despite that her parents say that she had high blood pressure and nothing else wrong with her, the photograph tells a different story. Obesity is a known risk factor.
Britain is full of fat bastards, so when they look at that face, they see normality. Her body was already under strain carrying that much fat.
This is the only person under 20 to be labelled a Covid death in Northern Ireland. He died of heart failure. His father only knew of his Covid stat after the fact. The boy tested negative while in hospital.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-54731262
It’s a shame when a young person dies but the media really needs to get real here. This person was morbidly obese.
Further down it suggests that she was on the priority list for the vaccine due to health conditions.
Also Llywnypia is a poverty stricken shithole
Start there
Not “coronavirus”
You can dance round all kinds of theories.. or you can read what he wrote, influenced by daddy, 13 years ago…
https://www.boris-johnson.com/2007/10/25/global-population-control/
He has long been inclined and primed to enact agenda 2030.. beneath the clown is a rotten man. Kids for them, not for you.. affairs.. morality is theirs to twist, not for you to twist.. the earth is theirs to enjoy from the window of their plane seat.. not for you.. meat is for them not you.. you useless eaters.. get back in your hutches, cover your face.. stay apart, stay home, stay away from granny, go broke..
All we need is a great big mountain top, big enough, big enough, to take the world and what its got… be part of the Pepsi conversation..
The vaccines are being pushed on the former while apparently nobody dare speak of the latter. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1348610177805799425)
Thanks for posting. Excellent and concise explanation of risk
Some stupid cow is on the Jeremy Vine program just now. They are discussing the supermarkets banning people who are not wearing masks.
The silly cow has just said that “the government should fine these people who are not wearing masks because they are creating an unsafe atmosphere for people who are shopping & spreading germs by touching thing’s”
Totally oblivious to the fact that there is
Exemptions from wearing masks.
Totally oblivious to the fact that masks go on your face not your hands, so even if they worked they won’t help her be ‘safe’ from ‘touching things’.
No evidence whatsoever exists Diapers work. Virus is 0.012 micron sized. Your diaper will not stop it egressing or entering.
After blowing their noses and eating their own snot.
To be fair, face masks, particularly if homemade, are exellent as hankies and you don’t have the inconvenience of having to fish around in your sleeve to find it!
Just don’t flush it down the toilet though. Lol.
I tend not to touch things in shops with my unmasked face…
Yes. that disgusts me too, and then they look at the unmuzzled with disgust!
I always try to pick stuff from the back of the shelf for that very reason.
Didn’t know you could put groceries in a trolley/basket without touching em!
We are truly awful people. I mean “touching” stuff while you are shopping! So selfish. Bloody plague carriers!!!
Remember that the BBC filter out callers to these programmes so there’s no chance of an alternative point of view getting through. Also, how is wearing a mask and spreading germs by ‘touching things’ unsafe. It seems to me that what she is saying is that people should wear masks because they create an unsafe environment and equates that with people ‘touching things’. Can’t have both.
I’d like to face off with her especially if she has one of the blue face nappy ones on. I’d let her call me a “covidiot” I’d then explain to her that viral particles just goes straight through the muzzle and travels 6 metres as an aerosol rendering them useless. I’d also tell her that the mast is made out of polypropylene which can shed micro fibres into her lungs especially when its wet, that it can cause a myriad of health issues, can grow mould if worn for too long and it has been sterilized with Ethylene Oxide, a known carcinogen. Should shut her up. This is my new tactic with mask zealots, make the thing out to be as gross as they are.
*Sorry Mask; typo
Not just in Italy:
https://principia-scientific.com/in-germany-revolution-is-brewing-against-covid19-tyranny/
Vive la Revolution!
“Stop Press 2: The Swedish physiologist Johan Hellström has published a historic mortality graph for no-lockdown Sweden up to and including 2020, and as you may expect, there isn’t much to see:”
I note yesterday that this graph, while excellent in itself, does tend to understate past mortality because of Sweden’s growing population. Fortunately someone in the Twitter thread posted a version taking this into account:
UK 2020 death rates are marginally above 2019 and below many years in the past 10 years.
How to kill the virus.
Common sense says: Vitamins, Exercise, Go outdoors where the virus naturally dies, eat well, drink water, eat fruit/veggies, follow what your mom told you.
Cult of science says; LD’s, diapers, don’t go outside, take our tests, take our vaxx poison (many times), herd through Sainsbury, shut down your business, lose your job, close the gyms so you become sick, fear monger the kids, make up data, repeat that the NHS is overwhelmed don’t go there (but clap like an idiot), isolate, become a sociopath.
I will take Mom’s scientific advice over these morons, every. single. day.
Yep, my mother, my grandmother, and doubtless all the mothers before that. They knew far, far more than this shower.
As my friend says that you know that the “experts” are talking crap when a podcaster and fitness advocate Zuby speaks more common sense.
Not to mention Child vaxx’s. Autism, Behavioural probs, Narcolepsy, many other issues now endemic in children due to the jabs. Some vaxx’s are okay but totally different than the flu (smallpox, rabies). Many are useless, and for some, dangerous.
stick to good quality meat/cheese/eggs/youghurt for your immune system.
There is a reason they are trying to get rid of it all with this plant muck
I remember by mum licking her fingers and rubbing them on my face clean it. Probably the reason I don’t have any type of alergy. Our house was never sterile like some people create these days.
I still do that. I’ve found that using those wipes sting badly and sometimes causes the cut to swell a bit.
Yep. In 2017-19, they were hysterical about single use plastics and coffee cups. Now there’s silence with masks and other PPE harming the environment and clogging our waters.
Shocking amounts of waste these days.
Have you ever noticed that the people who bang on about single use plastics are always flying off on holiday.
Still do that from time to time. My daughter hates it! God knows what the covidians think when they see me do it.
He is a fairly junior academic with a mathematical background. He does not have enough experience of science, let alone life, to make such claims. Best ignored!
How about asking all shops and especially workplaces that demand masks to sign a document stating that if any long term respiratory complications occur from wearing masks, they will accept potential medical liability?
Ask them for scientific proof, that they can show you on the spot, that the diapers work. Hear them mumble about ‘science’.
Or their risk assessment. 9.9999 times out of 10 they don’t have one.
It’s like with the hand sanitiser. Note that shops have stopped forcing people to use them.
They aren’t covered anyway if you “catch” Covid-19 or another SARS related illness. Insurance policies don’t indemnify a company against this now. No mention of how you catch it just that it you are sued you are on your own.
There are ways to reduce the liability by saying you have followed “official advice” but it’s a shitshow. Insurance companies have absolved themselves of any responsibilty.
I don’t know how you feel but reading Mr Hancock’s vaccination plan paper i could not to resist to raise my eyebrows when i read about the “Great British Success” just after section 3.15. Surely how anybody could use these words in a situation like that. It was about the Oxford vaccine but still don’t understand how it can be a success. Any thoughts?
No thoughts, no thinking – it is better that way. Being ‘British’ is enough for this vaccine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encouraging_or_assisting_a_crime_in_English_law
Now I wonder, are Wancock, Patel and Foetida Dick guilty of this by encouraging supermarkets to break the Disability Discrimination Act 2010/
I did mention to a floor manager that I might report Asda for this, when challenged once, as to why I was exempt when I had told the wannabes in the foyer I was exempt.
I have been asked if I would like a mask since, but not why I’m exempt.
I do know several people who wear one just to avoid conflict, which is sad, but also don’t like others being challenged.
Read of the day.
What’s in the bottle? :-s
Embalming fluid?
Might have been caught short?
Sent the pic to my son and this is his response; This is day 5 of home schooling and I’m not going to lie, I considered opening a beer literally 2 minutes ago.
I’ve signed up for an annual subscription!
My partition idea seems to be gaining traction, or perhaps other independent thinkers have reached the same conclusion:
https://twitter.com/1wordwhisperer1/status/1348770720537575427
Just head for an area and then “de-covidify” it just like the muslims do
Their nation would fail miserably in very short order as there would be no-one to do any work, and their science would be based on consensus rather than reality, so stuff would simply not work as desired. These fuckwits are getting a free ride.
Bags the SouthWest is open to the living. I love the North but you have to admit, the weather’s better down there.
Gab seems to have added a few more gerbils today
Still a tad glitchy but far better than of late
Gab>>>Groups>>.Lockdown sceptics
Don’t know if anybody read Laura’s piece above the line? She described a thought experiment. You have a railway line that splits into two. On one track you have 5 people tied and on the other one. You have the lever to control which line is used. Do you pull the lever and condem the 5 or condem the one? At the moment the NHS is condemning the five. How can this be the correct option? I would also try and suggest option C, let’s learn how to get the brakes to work!!
Now which track do you think the train will be on when it comes back?
The Hellbound Train.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlqqeobOJvg
Savoy Brown – Hellbound Train
I was sent this Pic, a bit of an eye opener! Replace Soviet with CCP?
My son (14) mentioned this quote to me regarding the USA, he can add all Western states….Cultural Marxism – destroy the West from within. Fascism is always a left-wing secular phenomenon.
Chillingly accurate.
I can’t fucking chew my supper.
Angling is classed as exercise and is allowed but golf (I believe) is still banned.
I am an angler albeit a fine weather one and yes there are some angling practices where you do cover a lot of ground and water but in the main it is a sedentary hobby where you sit in one position for hours on end.
Golf on the other hand is an hobby where you cover several miles and are swinging fairly heavy clubs, my golfing acquaintances tell me.
This is arse-backwards, just like this PATHETIC government and their ridiculous and pointless measures.
If my lad didn’t have the incentive of fishing at the weekend I think he would give up on the whole business. The twats have already deprived him of his friends, his cricket, his rugby and a proper education, they will be taking his pike fishing away over my dead body.
Well said, Will.
As a angler (on and off) for over 60 years, I could not agree more, it’s just the inconsistency and stupidity of these nonsensical diktats which target the likes of your son.
Wish him “tight lines “.
Tennis as well especially if playing with family member .
does dogging count as exercise (within bubble member of course)?
You have to wear a muzzle.
Interesting reading from a document found on gov.uk itself! Dated March 22nd 2020, all about the best ways of inducing compliance to covid-19 rules. Chilling since one of those tactics is coercion which is a hallmark of totalitarian regimes:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/887467/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf
I agree with Mrs Dicks observation that gambling in London basements is dangerous
However I wasn’t thinking virus, I’m more concerned about the Krays turning up and wiring my balls up to the mains electricity
I’d be more worried about plod and the wiring me to the mains these days frankly…
Lol!
All this talk of getting old
It’s getting me down my love
Like a cat in a bag, waiting to drown
This time I’m comin’ down
And I hope you’re thinking of me
As you lay down on your side
Now the
drugsmasks don’t workThey just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again
Now the
drugsmasks don’t workThey just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again
But I know I’m on a losing streak
‘Cause I passed down my old street
And if you wanna show, then just let me know
And I’ll sing in your ear again
Now the
drugsmasks don’t workThey just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again
‘Cause baby, ooo, if heaven falls, I’m coming, too
Just like you said, you leave my life, I’m better off dead
All this talk of getting old
It’s getting me down my love
Like a cat in a bag, waiting to drown
This time I’m comin’ down
Now the
drugsmasks don’t workThey just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again
‘Cause baby, ooo, if heaven falls, I’m coming, too
Just like you said, you leave my life, I’m better off dead
But if you wanna show, just let me know
And I’ll sing in your ear again
Now the
drugsmasks don’t workThey just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again
Yeah, I know I’ll see your face again
Yeah, I know I’ll see your face again
Yeah, I know I’ll see your face again
Yeah, I know I’ll see your face again
I’m never going down, I’m never coming down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more
I’m never coming down, I’m never going down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more
I’m never going down, I’m never coming down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more
I’m never coming down, I’m never going down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more
I’m never coming down, I’m never going down
No more, no more, no more, no more, no more
Aaahh… the verve
I listened to this after very bad breakup , I also hummed it while mid combat..Strange what songs come to you head when a bullet lands a cm from your head.
GENIUS!
https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/faq-on-ivermectin/
This is the FLLC alliance useful FAQ about Ivermectin.Though US focused in treatment options,very useful answers to RCTs efficacy etc. The first country today in Europe reg. Ivermectin for use and starting mass treatment is North Macedonia.Other Eastern European countries in line. UK most likely last.
Hi all, anyone else worried about an elderly parent taking the vaccine? My 75 year old fit and healthy mum suddenly announced yesterday she and my dad were going to have the vaccine. Said the Queen got it so it must be ok!!! It doesn’t help that my brother is a total zealot who has a face mask permanently welded to his face, and is always frightening my parents over how terrible it all is and how much danger they could be in.
Any suggestions as to what approach may help? Also could anyone point me to a good, fairly short (and fairly simple!) report or video which explains the vaccine, its limitations and possible side effects that I can show them without bogging them down in information. Thankfully they are open to looking at data and reports and are not wholly accepting of the propaganda.
Grateful to anyone who could help and a big thanks to all on here (and Toby) as I think LS is the only thing that is keeping me sane!
I’m for freedom, that includes letting other people have the freedom to do stupid things. They are adults with a free will. Let them do what they want to do
So am I. I want them to make their own choice but an informed choice, which people are not getting from the MSM.
Well if your old mum becomes infertile.. you will not get that baby sister or brother you always wanted.
My mother died from sneezing when she was four years old so doesn’t really apply
You could just point out that none of the (so called) vaccines have completed the trials (not by a long way).
Their body their choice, I do not ask anybody not to take the vaccine as long as they don’t force me to take one. Nothing can be done, hope for the best, except the worst.
Replying to myself as can’t edit. Just to add I am not wanting to force them not to take the vaccine,which I think is almost as bad as forcing someone to take it. I just want to show them some evidence to offset all the MSM hype so they can make an informed decision.
The BMJ link above is a good one. Here’s some examples of misleading statements from Hancock, those who exclusively get their news from the MSM will not know they are being mislead:
https://therealslog.com/2020/12/03/exclusive-how-health-secretary-matt-hancock-misled-parliament-about-the-pfizer-vaccine/
Thanks that’s excellent!
First, they need to consult a family doctor or GP (can be done online now).
Second, they need to understand who they are – are they ill with other conditions? Do they smoke, are they overweight and how is their immune system for their age?
Third, there are 3 vaxx’s – all different. There is a doctor review here (quite long) which says don’t take Pfizer or Astra-Z.,, maybe consider taking Moderna.
Fourth, Astra has a direct link to aborted fetal cells. Pfizer and Moderna have no direct links, but indirect links to the same.
Cheers for the the advice and the link
I am sending people this excellent but ruthless article by a BMJ editor calling out the criminal suppression of data and departure from normal protocol in vaccine testing. They are NOT sufficiently tested (trials should take place over YEARS not months!) The Queen taking it is either a PR exercise or tantamount to attempted treason. They should take it if willing to take an experimental drug in general. Otherwise, maybe take their chances with “covid” (the fancy rebranded name chosen to replace “common cold”…)
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/
It’s excellent.
Thanks fior that article. I am pretty sure the Queen ‘taking it’ is publicity stunt/propaganda, appeals to a lot of people of a certain age. I can’t help but wonder what would happen if she did pass away in the next few weeks. That would open a can of worms!
That’s why my money is on a publicity stunt… with or without her knowledge. Easy to inject her with some harmless saline solution. But I’m not a conspiracy theorist so…
My dad is very keen to take this vaccine. He is 55 with no underlying conditions and does a lot of cycling. Mum (54) is a little more sceptical but she is generally just a bit strange and doesn’t really trust any sort of drug or pharmaceutical intervention.
I despair at dad’s desperation to have this pumped into him so willingly (and he is also one of those people who is quite sceptical of lockdown yet sees the vaccine as the only way out), but I suppose it’s his free choice, if people want it, fine, as long as they don’t force me to have it.
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/
https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/03/what-vaccine-trials/
https://video.wakkeren.nl/videos/watch/9bd9f602-e5e9-47e0-b35d-8f1bfd78f0f4
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/investigative-series/developers-of-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-tied-to-uk-eugenics-movement/
Thanks for those links Cheezilla I’ll check them all out.
And this: https://stolikwolnosci.pl/roman-zielinski-on-pfizers-genetic-vaccine-and-pcr-tests/
He mentions “Lockdown Skeptics” – not us then, as we are “Lockdown Sceptics”.
Lol!
He’s also a “Mathematical Biologist” so, as you say, he just plays with models.
I wouldn’t worry too much about people snitching on you..
The drug dealers have moved back in next door.. the housing association forgave them cos they promised to be good.. four neighbors now have cctv cameras pointing right at them.. anyhoo.. they have begun dealing again.. reporting drug deals or covid breaches.. no one comes…
I’m so sorry for you.
I made a complaint to the ISPO about this article
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1382673/who-is-exempt-from-wearing-face-mask-Morrisons-sainsburys-face-mask-rules-EVG/amp
The claim that masks curtail the spread and that the new variant is more easily transmissible are not backed up. This is misleading.
Please complain on https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/complaints-form/
We have to keep the fight up against the Stasi.
Thanks
Most academics are just such cunts, particularly this new breed who are told they have to be more than ‘just’ a researcher – it is all about public engagement now (which itself is only to justify the myriad of pointless research projects funded by the public). I am doing my PhD now, but I will be gone when I have it and good riddance too!
Is this not a good example that the mask fanatics are now on a medieval pre -Enlightment level?
https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1348924284454973441
“I’m sure you can point me to a single case report which proved that a (most likely asymptomatic) jogger infected other people outdoors while running by. Otherwise this just seems basic biological illiteracy.”
https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1348229530889183232
“To everyone, especially *joggers*. Nobody should be pounding the streets breathing heavily as they pass people without a mask on right now.”
I posted about this last night. She’s a sick individual and heavily motivated by political alligences.
However, aside from that, I got irate because running is my mental break from this. I listen to music while doing my runs through the local forest, and it totally clears my mind for that hour or so. Its so important to my mental well being now that football centres are closed that I would fear for things if the Covid mania closed in on that space too.
But no. This person now wants her irrational fear to take over my essential maintenence of my wellbeing. It’s totally sick.
What gets me the most is that they are only out walking because there is nothing else to do, but yet its our fault we are trying to get some exercise.
You wouldnt see any of these wonderful human beings if Primark was open…
Because of a paper that makes this assumption:
Rubbish in, rubbish out.
This morning I had a visit from the Croissant Police, a sub division of the Covid Police
A neighbour had dobbed me in for eating two croissants instead of the regulation one
After a search they left
The evidence had been disposed of before their arrival
If it had been pain au chocolat you could have been in serious trouble. Did they give you an internal examination or the much feared Post Croissant Reflex test?
So now that the PANdemic is over, countries reporting no covid deaths, are the rest of them, including the UK keeping the myth running for political reasons? Financial reset of western economies. It looks like delaying tactics now, as the trashing an economy to save people in their 90’s is inconceivable.
The NHS is under pressure because of a combination of bed loss because of social distancing but, most significantly, because so many staff are absent and have been all year because of test and trace. But I think the government are maintaining the myth because lockdown has to be seen to be a success or they have precipitated the worst financial and health crisis in history and have actually made the situation worse than if they had followed a more measured approach. I think there may well be an idiotic green agenda coming but I think the population of the country are so stupid they will cheer lead for it.
… and, of course, there is another blame-dodge : the underlying lack of capacity has been the result of political decisions. How much better to blame a virus!
Latest ONS stats….past 9 weeks deaths in England = 100805….deaths in England first 9 weeks of 2020 = 99431. Not a massive difference is it, given early 2020 we were supposed to not have covid in the country (undoubtedly did). I accept Jan and Feb would normally be higher than Nov and Dec, not slightly lower, but given the Government panic, rules, lockdowns and chaos inflicted, stats do not exactly highlight a need for this situation.
But the Covidiots will claim that the LDs work since 2020 is not higher than 2019….that without the diapers etc. the dead would have doubled etc etc. It is an impossible-to-test- hypothesis to state this, and profoundly unscientific, but since when are the Covidiots worried about ‘science’?
Sweden and Florida are good examples they don’t move the dial very much. Belarus as well.
Latest ONS all-cause mortality – the last of 2020 – DOWN again – following the late December trend.
And yet the planet of the Living Dead continues to soak up the Armageddon narrative imposed on them by proven hysterics and liars.
A couple of comments about this morning’s items ;
Firstly, the admirable David Warburton makes this comment :
“Every death, for whatever reason, is tragic and shocking.”
Oh, for fuck’s sake. So life has it’s personal losses, and most of us don’t want to die or lose their loved ones.
But this self-regarding hysteria about the inevitable is so infantile – and has the same result as putting an infant in charge of a car – a disaster. Pathetic! Grow up!
Secondly – the graph of Swedish mortality appears to not be population corrected. This makes a massive difference over time.
I cannot understand how the death of anyone above the age of 85 can be cast as ‘tragic’. Sad, yes, for their families, but ‘tragic’. How do we cast the death of a 35 year-old mum or dad from the inability to receive treatment but for want of a functioning NHS? Are we allowed to call it ‘state-endorsed murder’?
I’m the same and it has not helped that I saw 17 ,18 and 19 year olds being shot and blown up in front of me. When I came back my philosophy was , live every day to the fullest as you never know when it will be snuffed out. I did not follow this as my mental health had other ideas and for that I feel cheated. But if you make it to 85, you have had an amazing inning and you can now go with a smile on your face.
Exactly Thomas. One of my grandmothers was 95 when she died in the 90s. She had never been ill in her life, but in final 18 months had to leave her home for a care home as she was suffering increasingly from hardening of the arteries. She had her life altered permanently when young – she was called back from service in London to look after her younger 6 siblings when their mother died. She did not marry until after the youngest had left home and married. That youngest sibling died seven years ago, aged 101, having been in a care home for ten years. The tragedies here were their experiences as young women and children, not their deaths aged 95 and 101. The funerals were great family gatherings for increasingly dispersed cousins, second cousins, great nieces and nephews etc.
Nowadays, the baby boom generation stand a good chance of getting to 85 having done and seen very little, and hardly struggled. The most cosseted generation in history. Is that really something to be pleased about at 85? I wouldn’t wish what you’ve seen on anyone, but seeking nothing in life but bland idle comfort is surely a tragedy in itself?
I am sure it’s no coincidence that it’s this generation who are now running our institutions and governments, and making such a mess of it.
Quite correct; I’m really really fed up with this emoting equation: death = tragedy; it doesn’t in many cases; it’s nature doing what it’s always done and for an elderly incontinent, confused, debilitated individual , it’s a release.
The tragedies are the many thousands of young lives being lost to missed treatments, suicide, stress related illness, violence and neglect.
Precisely. I am utterly sickened by this saccharine Soap narrative as a substitute for Real Life – the fake empathy that ignores most of the real damage being done.
Emoting has been adopted,deliberately, I suspect, as an effective and less costly,alternative to reason, and open rational discourse.
It started with Diana derangement Syndrome and Teflon Blair and has rolled on ever since.
Gruesome.
Yep. I would much rather he said “Momento mori” as this is one of the single greatest truths you’ll know.
Funny how Muslims say “Inshallah” which is actually a nod to the unknown in the same way that sailors will say “Neptune willing” or “Poseidon willing”
It’s interesting. I’m not sure whether he’s a Hindu, or a Moslem (unlikely to be Bhuddist) in belief, but the most intelligent discussion about cancer that I’ve had with a consultant came from that general non-western philosophical basis.
Western belief systems (particularly Christianity) are essentially too limited and primitive to deal with these fundamental issues well. (And no – this isn’t a wider endorsement of any belief)
I think the Biblical saying was “three score and ten”. Adjust it for modern living and if I can score 80, I’ll settle for that .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55604677
Asymptomatic testing really? Why?
I don’t have any symptoms but will you test me for <insert pathogen of choice>?
So many of those running this () show, are sick people, in the head. None of it makes sense. Trashing the economy for this means a lot of money for the few or they wouldnt do it.
They’re losing the plot.
Yes they are. There are so many lies now I don’t think they can keep up with them any more. The article in the Telegraph about stopping the scapegoating of British citizens by the Government and media is short but to the point. We are being blamed for total incompetence on the part of the Government.
So, if they had a brain cell between them, Johnson and his cabal would now move to lift mask restrictions ans social distancing restrictions giving the British public the opportunity to assess their own risk and what they will do to manage that. They would open non-essential shops etc. But no, because of all the lies, the manufactured hysteria and the industrial levels of propaganda they have no way to back out of this gracefully. Other than to tell the truth.
They are hammering the British public all the time with threats, fear etc but it is not the intelligent way to proceed because people have become increasingly resentful. Let’s face it, Prisoners have more rights than we do at the moment.
They are losing the plot rapidly and are unable to act decently or professionally to reopen the economy to start to build it up. Europe is getting back to normal now with protests in many countries. We are lagging behind with the worst economy in Europe, mass unemployment looming and a total economic breakdown.
The so called ‘opposition’ are hand in glove with the Govt so are worse than useless.
I’ve stopped listening to them, they have started to believe their own bullshit.
So much for protecting the NHS. Screening and testing cost money so they are quite rightly rationed to give maximum benefit. Value for money doesn’t apply to anything covid related.
Exactly my argument when people inevitably start “oh you can be a lethal spreader and have no idea”. So I ask if they are regularly tested for: typhus, TB, diphtheria, dengue fever, malaria, scarlet fever, yellow fever, rocky mountain fever, ebola, legionnaire’s disease, SARS, MERS, H1N1,…the answer is invariably ‘No of course not that would be silly!’.
It’s a shakedown by big pharma and giant corporations
Wring what little wealth remained out of the plebs and into their coffers
Do they make these decisions just to deliberately annoy us. Wait until people have booked holidays or actually gone to Dubai and then put it on the quarantine list!
I think they did the same with Canaries at the end of last year.
Yes
Further to the Sainsbury’s email, I just posted this on their Facebook page (I couldn’t find an email address for their customer services or chief exec.):
I have just received this email from the Sainsbury’s Chief Executive:
“Dear Kevin,
I have spent a lot of time in our stores over the past few days and I need to ask for your help with two key issues to keep you and all my colleagues safe.
When shopping in our stores, you must wear a mask or visor unless you have a medical exemption. And you should also shop on your own. Thank you for your support.
Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups. I know you’ll understand and support what we are trying to do.
We have also significantly reduced the number of customers allowed in our stores at any one time to ensure social distancing is maintained at all times.
Together, these steps will go a long way to keep everyone safe, whether you are shopping or working with us.
Please wear a mask or visor and please shop alone in our stores. Thank you for helping us to keep everyone safe.
Best wishes
Simon”
I would like to draw your Chief Executive’s attention to the government’s own guidance concerning face coverings:
https://www.gov.uk/…/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one…
This guidance clearly states the following:
“When you do not need to wear a face covering
In settings where face coverings are required in England there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering.
Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances. Some people are less able to wear face coverings, and the reasons for this may not be visible to others.
This includes (but is not limited to):
children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)
people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate
to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ‒ including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity
police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public”
“Exemption cards
If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:
you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
you do not need show an exemption card
This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.
However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.
Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.
If you wish to use an exemption card or badge, you can download exemption card templates. You can then print these yourself or show them on a mobile device. Please note that the government is not able to provide physical exemption cards or badges.”
By stating, “Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups.”, you are demonstrating that you are not being “mindful and respectful of” circumstances surrounding exemptions. You also appear to be going beyond the law and the guidelines. Shoppers should not feel intimidated by members of staff (and members of staff should not have to be placed in the awkward position of ‘challenging’ customers) or other customers simply because they are not wearing a face covering, the efficacy of which is highly debatable anyway.
I am appalled that Sainsbury’s is advocating challenging customers who enter their stores, this is tantamount to discrimination against those who do not wear a face covering.
Please respectfully retract this statement.
Well done – it is time the top bosses address the Law and not the Fear!
Morrison’s ban on bare faced customers: having despondently absorbed this latest piece of agit-prop, I decided to do an early morning expedition to test the likely outcome.
Lanyard waved at security guard; no probs; did my usual, stocked up on basics to reduce future visits, donated to food bank and animal shelter as usual, used self service till as usual, greeted a couple of the staff and the mad lady who wanders round every morning, waved my lanyard at the guard as I left and went home.
This nonsense needs to stop, now!
The lunatics who keep on keeping on with the heavy manners are now stuck up the covid blind alley, while we pay the price.
Once more, the MSM is whipping up the fear and pushing the panic meter into the red zone.
These criminals are addicted to control creepery , propaganda and censorship.Their shrill condemnations of public attempts to relax a little and indulge in some normal healthy behaviour ,reveals their fear and rigid adherence to the busted flush of lockdownism.
As we all know, this formula has been eagerly adopted over the centuries and it won’t end well.
Finally, a thoroughly patronising email from CEO of Sainsbury’s advising on his difficult decision to tighten the restrictions so as to ensure that customers- masked and alone- and staff, stay safe while the new variant does its best to infect us all with terminal covid psychosis.
Into the delete bin. I’m not allowed to travel to the nearest branch in any case, as it’s in the neighbouring county.
When will these affluent irritants get over themselves and take advice from the many many experts, including clinicians, who would offer a sensible way out of this awful mess?
Leftists; discriminating against a disability you are a Nazi!
YOU MUST WEAR A BADGE THAT LET’S ME KNOW WHY YOU CANNOT WEAR AN OXYGEN REDUCER SO I CAN FEEL SUPERIOR AND SAFE FROM A VIRUS THAT HAS A SURVIVAL RATE OF 99.98% FOR NEAR ALL UNDER 70.
Once the govt feels it can dictate what you wear it won’t stop there.
First a mask, then a jag, then food rationing, not leaving the house unless escorted…you get the picture. 1984 was not fiction. Wake up!
Well, if they will give me a jag free, I won’t feel quite so bad!
maybe the Pfizer vaccine should be called a “Prescott”.. because it needs two jags.
ithangyou
F Pace please!
Does that mean we get one last despairing love affair? Not all bad news.
I’ve had to declare that I’m exempt five times in total – once in Tesco, twice in train stations, and twice in restaurants – and each time the person asking me said nothing other than “okay”.
So on the one hand I’m tempted to simply not shop at Morrisons and Sainsburys but on the other hand I value the convenience and I’ll be damned if I’m going to change my behaviour to suit the cretins who now want to post “trained” staff at the doors. Alright lads time for your rigorous training, repeat after me “you can’t shop here without a mask . . . oh okay I see you’re exempt”. Your training is now complete.
The other reasons I’m not going to stop shopping at these shops is that the reason these moronic rules came in in the first place is because so many people tolerated the previous restrictions, and I also feel like my unburdened face is like an advert – it says look at me everybody I’m acting normal and you can too.
Also, sod wearing a lanyard. I refuse to wear something around my neck declaring that I won’t wear something on my face.
https://osf.io/9mjy7/
Pressure increasing further on Drosten’s PCR test. McKernan group publishing an addendum with 20 scientific publications why the PCR test is deficient and Drosten’s paper should be retracted.
It’s taking an incredible amount of time. Eurosurveillance probably hoping it goes away.
And Ferguson is up to his neck in it…
Go go go!
I suspect when the mainland European countries really push back, as it seems is starting, us in Britain will stubbornly punish ourselves and continue this farce because that is what we do. We cannot be seen to have been idiots even though it’s glaringly obvious that we are.
https://twitter.com/InProportion2/status/1348776485826551813
A police officer writes: Trust in the police is now circling the drain. Anti-lockdown protesters, are made up of a diverse cross-section of the general law-abiding public .. have been met with almost immediate aggression and violence from the police
I liked that letter, it is on the UK Column website. Excerpt below, but worth reading in full – shame, don’t think this officer will last long in the police.
How an organisation that depends on thorough investigation and collation of evidence, and whose founding idea is the protection of the public, cannot see this is astounding. Senior officers and chief constables across the country are simply following the government diktats without question, or at least so it seems. Certainly, from my position within the police service, I have seen nothing to suggest that we are properly upholding the oath we all make, and carrying out the duty we have to uphold human rights with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, according equal respect to all.
Anyone any updates on how the Reiner Fullmich case in Germany has progressed?
Protests in the Prague, with serious political backing including a former president. They want all restrictions ended when the state of emergency ends on 22nd Jan. Also lots of support against the stolen US election, which is clearly linked to the scamdemic.
https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/two-protests-held-to-oppose-covid-19-restrictions-in-the-czech-republic
This frantic search to identify people who aren’t “following the rules” is surely an exercise in scapegoating?
Do government minsters really believe if 100% of customers had worn masks in supermarkets rather than 99% it would have made that much difference?
In all the indoor locations one is likely to pick up the virus surely supermarkets must be the least likely location – except for single occupancy households.
The restrictions haven’t worked so someone has to be found to blame.
And what puzzles me if this:-
All those graphs of doom shown at the end of October? – even the least scary one so far has been out by a factor of two. So why isn’t there provision half the level it was thought there might be?
What level was it thought could be coped with? – zero?
While they tell us to Protect the NHS, the NHS has been spreading Covid, as it always does, MRSA, C-Diff. My uncle’s GP sent a nurse to his house as he said my uncle was too vulnerable to go to hospital.
Good GP
Someone did some incisive analysis and established that a common link with people testing +ve was that they had all been to a supermarket (because that is where food comes from) therefore that was where the virus was coming from. Next they will work out that everyone testing +ve had drunk tea or coffee and that must be where the virus is coming from.
Like the old ‘suncream causes snakebites’ fallacy
Warm weather being the missing link…
If supermarkets are a conduit for contracting the virus it must be through people touching things – not breathing..
On one of my earliest visits to a supermarket on my return to Blighty four months agoI watched a very old man, yea older than me sen, pick up every tomatoe on display to give them a slight squeeze before judiciously deciding which ones to buy. Of course he was wearing a mask.
Of course it is. Nothing to do with failed track and trace, incompetence etc. etc.
It’s all because we’ve been naughty.
The good news is there’s nothing you can do when a population loses its will to fight (or should I say comply).
The government is in a race against time to get the vaccinations done before the NHS collapses and public will collapses. I don’t fancy their chances…
What is ignored is the simple fact that we have nine months of real data about the phantom virus. The GBP (Great British Public) is notably stupid in actually clocking this fact – and its implications.
Of course – anybody who is actually conscious (instead of just faking it) would be aware that there is NO evidence of supermarkets being a major vector of infection, given that they have remained open since March.
Plus the fact that the only place people CAN go is the supermarket. Therefore they assume it must be that. Cretins.
As has been mentioned earlier, latest ONS death figures out for last week of 2020, total of 10,069 quite low for a winter with respiratory disease around.
Of these 3144 are reported as having covid on the death cert, again pretty unremarkable.
I did then look at the death data on the Government/NHS dashboard, totalling the death figures reported there for the same week for England & Wales I got a total of 4274.
That is 1130 more than the ONS official total.
So the Government/NHS death figures that are used to scare us all are reporting 35% more deaths than the ONS oifficial list of registered deaths!
Can anyone explain what is going on?
Perhaps it is a a question for Carl Heneghan?
Maybe ONS not received the memo that under ‘Covid Regulations’ you can die more than once!
I did a lot of analysis and had the same results as yourself (5 years of data – every year same issue). I am in IT – so the issue is that the data sets are manually manipulated, there is no end-to-end process of data validation. I can see this in the produced csv’s. In one case (dementia) the data provided was completely erroneous vs actual deaths tracked by dementia orgs in the UK. In other cases I can see that they have (post week 18 in 2020), moved flu-pneu-resp deaths (a certain percentage as applied by their FluMoMo algorithm) into CV 19 ‘official stats’. No info was provided under FOI on this algo.
The data sets are often broken down into subsets, but I noticed that these smaller data sets do not add up to the Master. The ONS collects data from many NHS agencies and their aggregation and validation processes are probably quite broken (as they are in many private corps) and even under FOI they won’t tell me how they compile the ‘official’ numbers which often do NOT correspond to the NHS numbers (which do include all places of death, hospitals, care homes etc). Then you can dive into the MCCD and changes made to that process, which is now subjective. MCCD is the source data – no access to that of course.
Bottom line: The process is broken.
But I am guessing that the overall figure of total registered deaths is definitive?
Yes – the ONS, in the ‘all-cause’ figures provides the most reliable indicator over time. All the rest is speculation.
Week to 1 jan 2021, 10,069 deaths total. Week to 3 jan 2020, 12,254. Hmmm….
MSM has gone strangely quiet about what’s happening in the rest of the world concerning anti lockdown feeling and protests?
I assume that the truth isn’t fitting the narrative.
They are also quiet on the fact that covid has not really led to exception increase in all cause mortality anywhere
… and particularly here. The bit of ‘The Science’ they don’t like, and pass over in favour of hysterical fiction.
Even Belarus and Russia have fallen off the radar given there’s no Lockdown there.
Was looking at the Mariinsky Theatre website to see what concerts they had available for streaming and I can only look on in envy at them taking bookings for live productions from this week.
Israel.Vaccinated most in the world 20%. Still “cases” rising. Jury is still out whether vaccine will add to herd immunity but the vaccines are not proven effective against transmission.
Or the testing they are doing is inaccurate
IMO the most important measure is whether the vaccine reduces death and serious illness where covid is the main cause of said death/illness – a confirmed positive test with definite covid symptoms
I think there should be a restraint on this site of posting the fake PCR ‘case’ data except to illustrate its fakery.
The results aren’t useful in the absolute sense, but in the context of the vaccine, these rising ‘cases’ can be useful to show that something is very wrong with the narrative: either that the tests don’t work or the vaccines don’t – pick your poison.
There is always a use in “bad” data if it is done consistently and over time.Let us assume that 90% of tests are noise, old inf or false positive. If they are testing the same amount (which I think they have been doing in Israel) these “false” data will add up to useful indication in time showing the winter peak. Don’t think we should stop using the data based on PCR results i.e. the masks are constantly showing to be of no use having these presentations. Mass testing and PCR should be reduced abolished in community testing and LFT used but why shouldn’t we use clear data in time showing the uselessness of SD and masks? They are not false and useful in the anti message to the public.
Glorified lemsip that makes you poorlier initially.
I wonder if I can find 5 people who would be mad enough to help start this petition?
Answer: probably.
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You could probably find 50 000.
42 million.
Sorry to be the pedant but it is “metres” and “martial law”.
Caught me out, I can’t spell metre…
But I actually meant “marshal law” – everyone will need amplifiers to communicate with each other at that distance
nice try – but Marshall amps is double LL
Oh well – they’re all made in China now anyway
Watt?
The people who would sign the petition will be the same people heading out on a daily basis to make sure everyone is following their rule.
As viruses are found in the upper atmosphere, at the bottom of oceans and in ice cores thousands of years old. I think the social distancing should be at least 1000 miles and face masks compulsory even in bed.
You’d get the five people – but they wouldn’t allow it.
https://twitter.com/Albion_Rover/status/1348808501213192193?s=20
Picture of EU flag flying at holyrood on link.
Holyrood still flying EU flag as pointed out previously. Are there not conservative msps or labour greens lib dems who want to actually insist on a certain standard of professionalism fronn the creeps in the scottish civil service? Snp clearly want the flag flying. Toy parliament.
“Wee pretendy parliament.”
Billy Connolly
Yeah, I walked past there last Tuesday when I was up in Edinburgh after I read you saying it was still up. Disgraceful, and it shows how the SNP view the democratic process. They are toxic and the worst of the Scottish psyche manifested in the world.
Good to know you are going the extra mile to check out what I say! Did you venture up to the mafia chambers opposite st giles to see the Union Flag flying below the EU flag?
To relate this off topic flag chat back to lockdown – or did you pop along princes street to witness the 15+ newly installed during lockdown Council logo flags flying to change the public realm we were used to pre scamdemic?
Swinney has now attached scottish independence referendum to the recovery from lockdowning the economy to death. He has said independence is vital to help scotland recovery. Tedious, nauseating, etc. However the tendrils of lockdown and fraud have been used to political advantage of ssnp throughout. It’s not credible to suggest it hasn’t.
No, fortunately I stayed around the Meadows and Arthur’s Seat.
No, and it is obvious to all that the SNP have tried to use this as a way to achieve independence; but, as I said, they are the very worst of the Scottish psyche manifested and amongst many there is an ‘independence at all costs’ sort of mentality.
Cost escalation from £10 million to £400+ million not the least shocking part.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/scottish-parliament-20-ps414m-endless-recrimination-and-finally-iconic-building-1418185
Still don’t know anyone in my immediate or extended friend/family circle that have caught this phantom virus, however, I do know someone that has killed himself during lockdown. Like the story above, he was a very popular person, but difference being that he was only 21.
A school friend of mine killed himself back in May aged 37 due to lockdown.
Just seen this on linked in – posted by Alex Mahon the CEO of Channel4
“I talked to Channel 4’s team today.
We are all suffering from pandemic fatigue, in an extended vacuum wondering where our real lives went. It is hard to find much enthusiasm for anything.
Working in isolation is ineffective, lonely and breeds anxiety.
To get through this 3rd time, we have to rely on stamina, and accept the boredom and frustration. We must recognise our stresses and manage them, recognise our anxiety and calm ourselves. Accept that for now there are a lot of things we can neither control or change.
We must take time away from the relentlessness of remote tinny screen meetings. There are two big time blocks that we are going to set company wide as meeting free for everyone. Time not to schedule things. Time to think, breathe, catch-up.
From now on we will have an all C4 lunch break daily 12:30 – 2pm. And we will stick company wide to Meeting Free Fridays.
We still have important work to do to get ready for the rebound. How we get the essential bits of work done doesn’t matter, that we identify the important things, and we achieve them, matters immensely.
We all need to look out for each other. If you have capacity to support someone who you know is struggling, offer your help.
This bit will end.”
Well, maybe if C4 news didn’t consist of so much covid scaremongering intended to perpetuate the lockdown you wouldnt be in this situation. Dickhead.
It wouldn’t be so bad if the majority even knew someone who had had it, and not those who just tested positive
It’s not a bad message from a CEO, and I can identify with the firm-wide weariness at my own firm.
But yes, most media have failed to challenge and so must frame themselves as stoic victims of circumstance.
They can fuck off !
Great message. Sadly since people were forced to work from home in some areas like financial services it resulted in back-to-back telephone calls for the whole working day – some calls have more than 40 people attending. This is unproductive, unsustainable and bad management/leadership. The only way to fix this scenario is for top management to manage this (as above).
Some reasons for this to happen:
Exactly, his institution has blood on it’s hands. He probably hasn’t put two and two together and come to the conclusion that it’s the MSM that is responsible for this mess. If the MSM wasn’t on the government’s side we wouldn’t be in lockdown, simple as that!
Just been on Twitter to support David Warburton. Vote in support of him against LD is running at 92%.
Of course that means elections will be delayed further in Spring.
Did that too. Glad he’s getting good support.
Not on Twitter but emailed my support this morning.
https://youtu.be/DVq_Eufr9fw
https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105536336438228993
https://gab.com/Simondolan
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GAB.COM is impressive
Gab Seems to be working better when the yanks are asleep
Like the bad old early internet days, quite nostalgic.
Dissenter browser seems fine so far. Seamless transition from Firefox.
The founder and CEO of FF, Brendan Eich, was constructively dismissed in 2014 after making a private, personal donation to a campaign to prohibit same-sex marriage in California. Having been thus defenestrated, he founded Brave Software. Brave browser is excellent- light on your CPU and generally acknowledged to be the most secure browser currently available. I use it myself- y’all may care to check it out.
Am currently trying to install Waterfox as a non-chromium alternative to Wokefox, but I’m having problems- every other extension I try to install either won’t install at all or is held up by “security” issues which weren’t there when I last tried Waterfox out last year. Anybody else finding this?
Dissenter is a fork of Brave with all the nonsense stripped out. it is much much faster and gives you instant access to Gab
Been using Dissenter for a while- it is awaiting an update as mine doesn’t seem to block youtube adds any more
had to add a manual one from chrome store
other than that – plugged straight into Gab
You cannot stop or SD away a highly contagious respiratory virus. But you can ruin your economy in a meaning less struggle. These three states very populous different approaches, same destination.
https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1348810832189255680
“Sadly we all got there in different ways. Some kept schools open and some closed. Some kept businesses open and some shut them down. Some required masks and some didn’t. We all get there. The difference is whether we chose to also add economic and social devastation to the cost”
I blame all the people who lost their minds and set zero deaths as a target.
Abe wasn’t quite right was he. What he should have said was:
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but trying to convince them that they have been fooled is impossible.
The government can fool enough of the people, enough of the time. And that’s all they need.
All the hysteria over these letters being sent out by supermarkets.
It is just a box ticking exercise. SAGE tells Hancock he has to do something because the supermarkets aren’t doing their bit to keep up the paranoia levels. People are acting as if things are normal when they go shopping. Hancock writes to supermarkets, telling them that unless they tighten up, he will impose further sanctions like stopping them certain items (like alcohol). Supermarkets start putting up notices, sending letters. Hancock happy, SAGE happy. Press happier because they can continue spreading their own brand of paranoia,
But what REALLY has changed. Are the “rules” actually any different from what was in place from July of last year. The real answer is no.
I think they want to see queues outside supermarkets to ramp up the panic.
Maybe, but do you really this the bosses of the supermarkets really want to be pissing off their customers that much.
They fabricated a lot of those queues in March-June by closing many of the tills. Exponential queuing then suddenly they were all gone all over the country at the same time.
Find a store locally that isn’t corrupted by the maskochists
if possible and get online delivery
will NOT stand in a supermarket queque again
The alcohol ban will come, make no mistake. Part of the insidious Prohibitionist cult that has already infected Scotland and Wales.
There’s been a concerted effort to rid the country of pubs even before the lockdown crime started. Pubs bring people together, they’re community and they are our culture. Pubs will be well and truly killed off by the government and removing alcohol from shops will prevent people from being tempted to gather in their homes for a tipple together.
Its all about breaking us as a people.
It is an assault on the working class.
Pure and simple
it is to make sure that most small businesses are closed – we will then only have the option to buy from big business.
Look at Bill G snapping up a jet company at a much reduced price (due to draconian lockdown measures).
Once job losses sink in / after furlough many people will be forced to sell their possession such as houses, cars and others. The people with money will be able to snap up these bargains
It’s even bigger than that. Were being deliberately plunged into poverty so they can introduce a new cashless green currency. I said at the beginning of this crime that they want us to use digital currency to monitor our movement and buying behaviour. This whole thing is a multi-pronged attack on us – it has the intent on significantly reducing our numbers while utterly enslaving those who pull through the other side.
It is so important that we challenge this to the bitter end.
I welcome the acceleration
it is the one thing that will see the Rapists Dad launched headfirst into the Taff
I think the supermarkets might see their income dropping dramatically it that happened – especially at the moment. That might be the only thing to help stop it happening in England. Wouldn’t help the pubs of course though.
That will be great as it will result in the masses standing up to this madness for the first time. Bring it on
That’s why I’d be a bit surprised if it happens. Same reason they’re desperate to keep Premiership football limping along. Keep ’em shitfaced and give ’em circuses.
I’ve been into a large co op this morning, same old smudged out floor arrows, no sanitizer, people wandering around at random but all masked.
Researchers recommend adding lithium to our drinking water to stop suicide epidemic.
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2021/01/researchers-suggest-adding-lithium-to-drinking-water-to-curb-suicide-rates-during-coronavirus-pandemic/
Jeepers, that IS scary! Cyanide next?
It has been claimed that fluoride – found in many antidepressants – has the same effect.
This is extremely bad for health: cancer, neurotoxin, dental fluorosis (permanent damage to children teeth), skeletal fluorosis in adults, etc
https://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/fluoride-is-poison/
I’m a dentist, and I’ve always been opposed to fluoridation of the water supply. Told my patients so. For reasons which now at last seem to be revealing themselves- thin end, thick wedge.
It is for some. But that is no basis for general prescription.
Its excellent for seeing in the dark. Its the main ingredient in most modern batteries
lithium salts are specifically prescribed for bi-polar disorders and severe manic depression and not for day to day depression and lockdown induced conditions.
I once had a bi-polar friend who took lithium on daily basis to mitigate the effects of the condition
Who are these idiots. Lithium causes major kidney and liver failure after a few years of use. The yes, exponential rise in suicide rates, is due to Lockdown, social isolation, poverty, loss of homes etc. What the bleeding hell has Lithium in water got to do with anything. Lift the Lockdowns and social isolation do not put a psychotropic drug into drinking water.
How stupid to recommend any substance to be added to drinking water, that is in fact an act of forcing the whole population onto medication!!!!
Low dose Lithium is highly recommended (not the pharmaceutical version). Also Ashwagandha and Magnesium and eliminate sugars
Dimcock says categorically ‘ Remember one in three people who have the virus don’t know they have it because they have no symptoms and yet still pass it on.”
Stupidly I still prefer facts over fabrication. As far as I know the jury on asymptomatic transmission is still out but is apparently 11-1 against. Certainly there is no evidence of 30%. Pre symptomatic May occur but again not in these numbers.
Why does no one challenge these statements?
One other point. An article today makes it clear the NHS is currently banning treatments in private hospitals because of cost. Money over Lives? I though that was our rap?
I’ve submitted an FoI to the NHS to substantiate this claim in their advertising (propaganda)
The 20 days should be up next week so will be interesting to see how they wriggle out of it.
One of the scary things about mutant Covid is that you can have it but not know it = superspreader.
One of the features of the Pfizer vaccine is that it stops you getting symptoms but not from being ill = Worldbeater in defeating the virus.
Both outcomes look much the same to me but then I’m not an epidemiologist.
I am clear about this, there is no such thing as asymptomatic transmission. If you haven’t got symptoms then you haven’t got it. WHO say there is not one incident around the world where asymptomatic transmission has occurred. No other country in the world is pursuing this line it’s peculiar to here. They are so desperate to keep the numbers up they will pursue anything.
Yes.
Sorry, should have put line one in quotation marks, it was said by one of the daily briefing gang.
And begs the question how the one asymptomatic transmission case was verified for a virus which has never been isolated and presumably involving a PCR test. Whilst it may not be the same case, Reiner Fuellmich has explained how Christian Drosten misled the world by claiming an asymptomatic carrier from China was the first to bring the virus to Germany. According to Fuellmich it transpired subsequently that the woman was taking flu medication at the time of her arrival in Germany so presumably could hardly be described as asymptomatic.
https://gloria.tv/post/cyzhSpgKH1z73xtPKvWmj1AVK
My niece who is a cancer nurse in a private hospital had to phone 16 cancer patients to tel them their operations had been cancelled. This was two months ago.
Well it wont be a problem for much longer , as they will be dead.
16 extra “covid” deaths more like
Well, currently the NHS are taking £200bn per year. It is, apart from the USA, the most expensive and poor performing health service in the world. We know hospitals are not over-run with CV-19 patients, the data tells us that, so, where is this £200m going. They aren’t treating cancer patients, stroke and heart disease patients, have cancelled all diagnostic services and things like diabetes are going undiagnosed and untreated. I must assume therefore, that it is going on developing more tiers and tiers of highly paid managers to manage all of this who, are working from home I believe and should have been furloughed.
We know they have staff shortages because they can’t manage their own HR properly. We know from videos of empty hospitals that there are more of these than are full, we know that 25% of all CV-19 is acquired in hospital for people that were covid free, admitted to hospital for treatment and then got it in hospital. We know that many A&E departments are empty or barely populated. So, £200bn of public money and still can’t manage winter pressures. WTF? They must be able to afford treatments in private hospitals because I can’t see where the money is going otherwise. We have the lowest numbers of acute beds in the developed world, we have the lowest number of Doctors, Nurses and other medical staff on the front line than the developed world. I for one, would like an explanation of how this money is being spent.
Were NHS Trusts not relieved of all debt at the beginning of lockdown, perhaps that’s where it is going?
“Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”
Samuel Johnson 1775.
BBC R4 Womans Hour just introduced an item about the 25% of women aged 18-30 who are averse to taking the vaccine because of fears about fertility by saying it was their Patriotic Duty to do so.
One of the guests suggested it, the presenter was clearly embarrassed by the word Patriotism but eventually it was agreed that it was so.
Like getting a bullet through your fucking head – for Queen and country. Complete horse shit, obviously.
I took it to mean they have completely run out of arguments thus finding themselves having to use nasty old Patriotism as their last resort.
I wonder what the 21st century equivalent is of a white feather? From what Karen said abour the article, we may soon find out.
As long as they sterilize the Mohammedins I will take that as a win
did they mean it was their ‘patriotic duty’ to reproduce, or to refrain from reproduction? either way, fucking idiots
Can you write in and tell them what a load of horseshoe? Good thing I am not a patriot then.
Regarding suicides and mental health problems caused by the government lockdowns – I can guarantee the 2 institutions which will be at the front of the queue to offer ‘help’ are the ones most guilty of causing the problems in the first place the State and the BBC.
Same old tactics of breaking down people mentally so you can rebuild them in your own vision as good globalist slaves.
From the BBC……
“9:45
BREAKINGWorst excess deaths in the UK since WW2Last year saw the largest increase in deaths in a single year in more than 70 years, according to provisional figures from the Office for National Statistics.
In 2020, nearly 697,000 deaths were registered, compared with an average of nearly 606,000 each year between 2015 and 2019.
This is the largest increase, or “excess”, in a single year since 1940.
It is likely to return death rates in the UK to levels last seen in the mid-2000s.”
Where are they getting their numbers from?
From here (and if you add up the weekly count of course)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
You get 614,114 which is only 8,000 more than the BBC average.
Am I missing something? It cant just be an outright lie by the BBC can it? If s who do we complain to?
The BBC have a fact checking team …
Have they adjusted for population?
There’s Offcom, but I expect it’s full of BBC clones.
“This is the largest increase, or “excess”, in a single year since 1940.”
‘Largest increase’, ‘excess’ – these are two different things.
I suspect that what they mean is the largest ‘increase’ from one year to another – ie from 2019 to 2020.
‘Excess deaths’ is something different.
What they are doing is what they have been doing all along – presenting statistics in the most alarming way possible, while at the same time conflating ‘excess deaths’ with ‘increase in deaths’ from one year to another.
Excess deaths are of course to be expected if tens of thousands of patients are suddenly expelled from hospitals to care homes.
Equivocation has been used consistently by the carriers of this narrative. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/12/coronavirus-equivocation.html
The systematic resort to this propagandist trick clearly reveals their dishonesty. They would be well advised to review the Nuremberg Tribunal trial of Julius Streicher, who was found guilty of crimes against humanity for his journalism, which the Tribunal deemed to be dishonest propaganda.
2019 was a soft year for deaths so this isn’t at all suprising.
It wasn’t. In order from 2010-2020 year, weeks and total
2010 52 493,166
2011 52 484,391
2012 52 496,616
2013 52 503,665
2014 52 497,700
2015 53 539,007
2016 52 524,474
2017 52 533,125
2018 52 539,340
2019 52 527,234
2020 53 614,114
How many died at home from lack of access – 45.000? A big part of any increase (and it not as large as they state if you use the ONS csv files) are from those who died at home.
“largest increase in deaths in a single year”
This is just a meaningless statistic. If you had the largest *fall* in deaths one year, and the next year deaths went back up to what they had been beforehand, you’d have the “largest increase in deaths in a single year“. So what?
I don’t believe the 2020 numbers. Officially, as of Nov 13th 2020 there were ‘Using the Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional, as at week 46 (13th November 2020) 529,928 registered deaths in England and Wales’
This is the same # I have from their data sets in my own analysis.
So between Nov 13th and Dec 31rst – 48 days – they are saying 160.000 died? That is an average of 3333 per day? That did not happen did it?
So they lie…..?
The ONS are the official stats agency for England & Wales but do then sometimes add in Scotland & N.Ireland to give a UK figure. Can we confirm are they talking about just E&W stats or are they attempting to put together a figure for the whole of the UK?
“It cant just be an outright lie by the BBC can it?”
Well – it depends how you define ‘outright’?
.. but its total bollocks.
Since March, I’ve tracked mortality in relation to ONS weekly figures back to 1993.
The idea that 2020 showed mortality at the level claimed is a falsehood. Seven years had a worse rate since 1993 – let alone since the 1940s. The BBC has just pushed its credibility below basement level in promulgating such fictions.
For anyone who wants to get a handle on the figures, the graph of Swedish mortality over an extended period is – at least in recent years – very similar to that of the UK :
The falsity of the BBC’s propaganda can easily be see.
Please can you write to Ofcom on that article and its reporting? It’s incredibly alarmist
I’ve analyses the data for England and Wales every week since April. Here’s my week 53 summary
Overall reported deaths in England and Wales in 2020 were 614,114 deaths compared to a ten-year mean 513,872 (range 484,391 to 539,340 for 2010-19), implying an excess mortality of 100,242 (95% CI 50,832 to 149,652) over ten-year reference.
Adjusting for population growth using ONS figures, the annual mortality rate increased from a ten-year mean of 892 deaths per 100,000 to 1033 deaths/100,000 in 2020, an increase of 141 deaths/100,000 (95% CI 92 to 191) equal to an increase of 15.8% over ten-year reference.
Based on underlying annual variation in all-cause mortality, the 2020 population-adjusted excess mortality is 6.4 standard deviations over ten-year reference mean ( P < 0.0001). Euromomo warning weekly threshold for excess mortality is placed at 4 standard deviations for seasonal monitoring of deaths.
BBC headline is worst excess deaths since WW2. How do they arrive at that conclusion?
They are unashamed liars.
Same as they excused themselves from Jimmy Saville
45.000 dead at home because they can’t access the NHS?
In the article, however:
When the age and size of the population is taken into account 2020 saw the worst overall death rates since the mid 2000s.
This measure – known as age-standardised mortality – takes into account population growth and age.
Well December must have been the one to do it. Because up to November it was all fine.
R2 News. I heard steepest rise in deaths since WW2.
Think they may be referring to Sky News article yesterday. It tries its hardest to make it look terrible:
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-how-mortality-rates-in-2020-compare-with-past-decades-and-centuries-12185275
Probably a made up figure drawn from a hat.
Reading the news about BJ’s bike ride, I can’t believe that the fat fascist rides around east london on a bike and nobody has had the gumption to accidentally knock him off it because your covid mask obscured your view.
What is the matter with you Londoners?
It would be recorded as a Covid related injury or death.
It can’t b/c he’s had diplomatic cross-immunity since it nearly killed him the first time. He’s our Teflon Teddy Bear!
Can’t believe a bike frame could bear the weight of the fat git
Must be military grade
If someone knocked him off and he was admitted to hospital, he would be PCR tested for the virus and having had it would test positive and would count in the official statistics as another COVID 19 hospitalisation.
He was surrounded by his security issue (were they socially distancing?), so unlikely to be able to get very close. Wonder whether the experience prompted him to ask SAGE to look again at the safe distance?
We need Bruce Reynolds to “accidentally” faint in front of him, knocking him off the bike.
Too busy hunting Jeremy Vine who is about to discuss
‘Are people using trips to Sainsbury’s to meet their friends ! ? Are they using it as a social occasion ! ?’
Exactly!
My wife has just received an invitation to participate in research study about COVID 19. The study is being conducted by the Department for Health and Social Care with Imperial College London and Ipsos MORI. The purpose of the study is to find out how many people have been infected with the virus. The method is to randomly select people and have them self-administer an antibody test. The letter they sent her includes the admission: “…the antibody test is not 100% accurate…”
Ignore. These letters around for months now. The major question is what they trying to achieve testing asymptomatic people.
I saw a neighbour stood in the middle of his garden,he said ‘just getting some air,I’ve got covid’,’oh,where did you get that then ?’ I said,’I don’t know,but I’m not ill and I feel fine’ he replied.Obviously he had the sniffles and went and got himself a false positive test but I couldn’t be bothered to give him my well rehearsed speech about the useless tests and the nightmare they have put us in.
He had a muzzle in his hand,’I keep this on in the house to stop my family catching it,only two days of isolation to go and then back to work,if I get a negative test that is’
I truly despair about a lot of the people who live around me.
I’ve yet to come across anyone in person who has had a positive test, not many negative and I meet plenty of people.
Makes you wonder about the wisdom of universal suffrage, dunnit?
Churchill probably had that one right – just better than any alternative.
Total infectious in society dropped hit 839,234 today
https://covid.joinzoe.com/data
This is the peak
Meanwhile R has carried on dropping linearly from its peak on 18th Dec – oblivious to any lockdowns
Daily new infected below peaked on 7th Jan
latest R calculated was 0.86 on 7th Jan
If R continues to decline like it did on 1st wave and bottoms out at about 0.6, we can expect total infectious in society to be half the peak by the end of January
ludicrous government figures https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ should start falling because there will be less virus around to give contaminated false positives and less people will test positive anyway
Peak of symptomatics on the 8th puts peak of infections before lockdown started, again…
yes, but easier to look at R – it peaked on 18th Dec and just came down, just like first wave, it never blinked when lockdowns were introduced – just did what it did
Virus gonna virus.
‘infected’ ?
Number of positive PCR tests.
Zoe data so it is self-reported people with symptoms. Not perfect but the best real time data we have (in my opinion)
You don’t think 77th have 500 iphones connected up, posing untrue shite then ?
the data shows lockdowns were all unnecessary. its doesn’t really matter. if someone tried to bias the data they haven’t done it ‘well’ enough
How was this graph produced?
I take daily new infected symptomatics from the Zoe website – call this number N
Then calculate the R(day0) = N(day5)/N(day0)
Thanks. But how do you get hold of the raw data? All I can see on the website is their own graph showing total number of people with symptoms, and a figure giving today’s “daily new cases”. Are you just logging that figure yourself every day, or is there a way to get historical data?
yes, just writing it down from website each day. I have asked them multiple times to make their time-series data available as download but nothing
Bummer. I wonder why the reticence? Tim Spector seems like an honest guy, not a sceptic but not a zealot either or a narrative-peddler. I remember him speaking out against LD2.
Anyway, thanks again for doing this analysis and sharing it with us. Have you thought about “mirroring” the site with the that data you’ve been recording? Just a thought.
My suspicion is that he provides the data enough for people to find useful and use the app – but as an academic he wants to keep the raw data so that his group can write the papers and not get gazumped by another group. This is typical for academics.
data is here if it helps
new daily infections
01/11/2020 43171
02/11/2020 42828
03/11/2020 42276
04/11/2020 42326
05/11/2020 42049
06/11/2020 40606
07/11/2020 38799
08/11/2020 37377
09/11/2020 37132
10/11/2020 36293
11/11/2020 36294
12/11/2020 35963
13/11/2020 36510
14/11/2020 37280
15/11/2020 36445
16/11/2020 35075
17/11/2020 35507
18/11/2020 35204
19/11/2020 34279
20/11/2020 34257
21/11/2020 34474
22/11/2020 33408
23/11/2020 33187
24/11/2020 32061
25/11/2020 31093
26/11/2020 29311
27/11/2020 27262
28/11/2020 24937
29/11/2020 24095
30/11/2020 23362
01/12/2020 22061
02/12/2020 21030
03/12/2020 20497
04/12/2020 20698
05/12/2020 19939
06/12/2020 19104
07/12/2020 18866
08/12/2020 18653
09/12/2020 19091
10/12/2020 19190
11/12/2020 19505
12/12/2020 20764
13/12/2020 21291
14/12/2020 23115
15/12/2020 24911
16/12/2020 25904
17/12/2020 26897
18/12/2020 27811
19/12/2020 30336
20/12/2020 33346
21/12/2020 36744
22/12/2020 38719
23/12/2020 41094
24/12/2020 42894
25/12/2020 45608
26/12/2020 48589
27/12/2020 50157
28/12/2020 51745
29/12/2020 52802
30/12/2020 55226
31/12/2020 57697
01/01/2021 60117
02/01/2021 63809
03/01/2021 66217
04/01/2021 67345
05/01/2021 68576
06/01/2021 69890
07/01/2021 69958
08/01/2021 69231
09/01/2021 67246
10/01/2021 64688
11/01/2021 61813
12/01/2021 60060
Good point. Thanks again!
pleasure!
Just getting some graph drawing practice in with these data. A slightly different presentation to yours, but of course it tells the same story.
R falling before Christmas, of course.
”Infections’ and ‘R’.
I’m afraid you’re dealing in tenuous derived data.
you should see what we do in Physics!
I read the article ‘Was I just witness to a Covid death’ with a lot of sympathy and sadness. I do not wish to be specific but I learned last week of a child whose family I know who attempted suicide twice during the last lockdown.
From a Christian point of view it is very difficult to know how to pray for this for suicide is a mortal sin, but putting theology aside, I can only feel compassion for the (in this case) near-victim and the family.
It sometimes seems to me that the architects of these policies are guilty of (in this case) attempted murder, or perhaps more accurately in the case mentioned ‘above the line’, actual murder.
Readers of this website have reported several instances of suicide and I can only say it is terrible. Thank goodness that at least one politician (David Warburton) and fifteen or eighteen others(I don’t know where the Tellers and the Speaker stand in all this) have started to recognise these tragedies.
I am not interested in lifting some restrictions; I want the whole lot thrown away NOW.
Away with your disgusting face-nappies!
Away with your idiotic anti-social distancing!
Away with your accursed QR codes!
Away with them all!
And NEVER bring them back!
Just out of curiosity, is suicide still considered a mortal sin if people believe that god has abandoned them and they have had no support from the church to tell them otherwise?
This is a very good question and thank you for asking it. For myself, I do not really feel qualified to answer except to say that since I have had two crises in my life, the first entirely self-inflicted, where I have contemplated suicide, I have all sympathy with people who find that they have nowhere to turn. Not much help I know, and all I can say is ‘Κύριε, ἐλέησον’, Lord, have mercy.
Throughout this whole saga I have strongly felt that the Church, especially the hierarchy, have let the people of this country down, but when I try to ventilate these thoughts I am sorry to say I get nowhere. Possibly I do not express it in the best way, but I am not convinced that even putting these thoughts in a different way would change anything. I know that I am not alone in this.
This site has been a great comfort to me.
A handy guide to the 3 metre rule (was 10 foot in the old London Building Acts).
https://hardingsurveyors.co.uk/party-wall-act-3-metre-rule/
“… yet a minority of infected people suffer very severe reactions and unfortunately sometimes lethal outcomes. This very wide variance in how individuals’ bodies react to the virus makes COVID-19 a most unusual illness.”
This is a quote from Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS piece in today’s ATL. I’ve suggested before that why people react differently to covid is their having previously had a flu vaccination.
The UK has one of the highest (if not the highest) flu vaccination rates of the over 65s in Europe. The UK also has one of the highest (if not the highest) covid death rates in Europe.
The people who are reported in the media as having died of covid represent a roll-call of those for whom the flu vaccination is recommended: the elderly, the vulnerable, health workers, pregnant women, those with learning difficulties and so forth. Those who are largely spared are the younger age groups for whom the flu vaccination is not normally available.
Even more intriguingly, severe covid does not manifest itself as a collapse or weakness of the immune system but in fact a strong over-reaction by the body to deal with infection through inflammation. This is the body fighting back but seemingly confused as to what to do.
Yes, elderly people are already poorly, yes, obese people may have poor immune systems, yes, health workers are exhausted and over-worked: but their bodies don’t seem to care – they fight on. What all these people have in common is not their weakness or vulnerability but their having had the flu vaccination.
Not everyone who gets vaccinated against flu gets covid. But as far as I can tell, everyone who gets severe covid has had a flu vaccination.
Please comment if you have any anecdotal or other evidence for or against this idea. Thank you.
Remember, correlation is not causation.
… and subjective observation even less so!
Absolutely.
But this started when the Guardian used to run a daily tally of those who had died (in the early days of the pandemic). I was curious as I knew no-one who had had covid (my daughter’s friend now is the only person so far) but I do know of someone who works in health care who knows 20 – 30 people, one of whom had died.
So yes, very observational and no proof of causation; but then as Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS, medical historian and former lecturer at the University of Swansea, as well as a Wellcome Trust University Award Fellow, asks,
There may well be something in it though. I imagine many scientific advances have been made due to people noticing things such as this..
I’m not aware of any evidence that pregnant women are at higher risk of getting covid badly than the general population. Moreover, the flu vaccine is recommended for, and routinely given to, children aged 2-11, who have a much, much lower risk of getting covid badly than the general population. So, your argument doesn’t stack up.
But isn’t it suggested that children don’t have the particular receptor sites to enable covid to get a hold?
I do find this possible correlation with flu vaccines intriguing and potentially plausible. Surely it ought to be investigated fully. It wouldn’t be difficult.
This is from the BMJ
https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/pregnant-women-with-covid-19-are-less-likely-to-have-symptoms-and-may-more-likely-need-intensive-care/
I was alerted to pregnant women by a Guardian article (see below) and the fact that a friend of my daughter’s has covid (she is pregnant, sporty and healthy but as yet I don’t have confirmation as to whether she is vaccinated against flu.).
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/13/mary-agyeiwaa-agyapong-bereaved-ernest-boateng-pregnant-women-covid
So I’m just keeping an open eye.
I think it is worth examining this hypothesis against the statistical data, something the Department for Health and Social Care could do (they have the data), but I doubt they would, and even if they did and it showed a positive correlation, I doubt they would publish the study.
“The UK also has one of the highest (if not the highest) covid death rates in Europe.”
How do you know that?
Have you found some source of uncorrupted statistics.
The death statistics are fabricated, with the definition of ‘covid death’ being sometimes different from country to country.
What made the UK different was the sheer number of people expelled from hospitals – lockdown deaths.
As Denis Rancourt says, the number of ‘covid deaths’ is correlated with lockdown response more than any other factor.
My work colleague had covid over Christmas/New York, she and her husband had the flu jab about 3 weeks prior to this. Coincidence or just the body not able to cope with fighting two viruses if the body reacts to the flu jab?
the study in the BMJ from 2017 showed flu jabs increase childrens likelihood of catching other respiratory viruses, cant seem to find the link at the moment, but found this other study saying similar in adults. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/
This very wide variance in how individuals’ bodies react to the virus makes COVID-19 a most unusual illness.”
How bloody convenient for myth-making and obfuscation.
My father is currently in hospital having had a stroke caused by a blood clot. This was after he was taken to hospital with difficulty breathing and was found to have water in his lungs. The people looking after him have shown surprise at how damaged his heart and other organs are for someone who was relatively active prior to this.
All the problems are exactly as described for a bad case of COVID. He has tested negative 4 times for the virus.
He was also perfectly healthy (as far as I know) before he had the flu vaccine in October 2020.
It’s something that I’ve been thinking about a lot recently. Is it possible that this is a man made tragedy caused by the flu vaccine.
Quite possibly, but the other 4 Coronaviruses can also wreak havoc on the human body.
Always have always will
They just never cared before Corona 5
Interesting concept. Years ago I had bacterial pneumonia and was in hospital for three weeks. They got the infection under control quickly but my immune system wouldn’t calm down and I had lots of lung inflammation. For that reason I’m reluctant to have flu or covid vaccines. I’ve had other vaccinations without problems.
I myself have long believed there is a direct connection, and have saved numerous references since last spring putting forward this hypothesis. This is a recent link…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/study-flu-vaccine-raises-risk-covid-death-correlation-confirmed-scientific-analysis/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
Another link, this time James Corbett…
https://www.corbettreport.com/is-there-a-flu-shot-covid-link-questions-for-corbett-068/
Just got a FOI back when I asked for the data back in Dec used to place all The Canaries on travel corridor rather than individual islands. All fairly bland but this was a bit weird:
wtf?
Nothing to see here, move along…
I got that too, from an FOI request related to Sweden travel corridor
It is incredibly broad
This not my one but contains the same Annex A:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/682365/response/1641367/attach/4/FOI%20Spain%20F0018731%20McCauley.pdf
Shameless personal request to sign this.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/557658
“Exempt outdoor tennis from closure due to COVID-19Support the LTA in conducting COVID safe outdoor tennis.
Tennis facilities operate nationally and mostly on a volunteer basis help people keep physically and mentally fit.”
I don’t like the “covid safe” bit but think of 3 things
1) Tennis coaches are stopped from working
2) A lot of our tennis club members are pensioners trying to stay active and their lives are being ruined in their name
3) Tennis keeps me and my family sane
Signed. It was pretty much the only exercise I was getting. And no I don’t want to go jogging instead.
Signed not that I play tennis but willing to help a fellow sceptic get their fitness back.
I wouldn’t last 5 seconds on a Tennis court without having a heart attack, but count is now at 25,423…
I hate tennis. Signed it anyway.
Does anybody else have that ‘don’t interfere with your enemy whilst he’s making a fatal mistake’ feeling? It doesn’t appear that our new lockdown is going as planned? Can’t see the supermarkets being too keen on the stream of correspondence they’re currently receiving. And don’t get me started on the bike ride – simple defence now if you’re stopped, ‘I was behaving in exactly the same way as Boris’. New York is currently looking for a way out, Hancock will call it quits at 8-10% jabbed, and then a new PM/Cabinet by Easter. Our work here is nearly done.
Agreed with your first question.
Oh, that would be wonderful!
I agree. Don’t bang on about PCR etc just let everyone realise that the government and scientists are trying to claim credit for altering the course of the virus via a lockdown that no one is observing. When it calms down in the hospitals in a few weeks we highlight that the virus did what viruses do and lockdown was, once again, utterly pointless.
I love seeing so much traffic on our roads, buses and trade vehicles etc. It indicates that life is being lived somewhere somehow, And I want to see it.
I also want to see fleets of small coaches containing kidnapped judges, politicians, bureaucrats, media bosses and police chiefs.
Their devices and briefcases confiscated so they are forced to look out of the windows.
They will all be firmly masked for the 6/7 hour journey. This journey will take them slowly through our empty towns and cities.
The commentary will be read out:
“We are taking you on a tour to show you the results of your insane lockdown policies.
“In this city there are now 17,000 unemployed and 1,005 businesses have declared bankruptcy. There have been 23 known suicides since last October. You see that hospital on the right? In that ICU unit there are 6 out of 15 beds occupied. 2,300 people are awaiting cancer screening appointments.
“This village had a large and flourishing primary school. You’ll notice that the gates are closed and the playground is empty.
“The next town we are coming to is even worse. We’ll take you along the high street where there is not a single shop, pub or cafe open.
To those of you hoping for a coffee break, sorry but you’ve closed all the cafes.
“And to those of you wanting to pee, sorry but you’ve closed all the public toilets.”
Between commentaries music should be played. Anything from the LS playlist above the line will do.
Like the British Army marching the local populace around Belsen and getting the camp commanders to dig the graves.
I enjoyed this VERY much
Click and collect could be banned everywhere apart from supermarkets amid fears customers are passing the virus in queues https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9136709/Click-collect-banned-apart-supermarkets.html
Note: This has already happened in Ireland for non-essential retail.
Plus SD at 3 metres?
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I wish they would stop faffing about. Just get on with it and ban people full stop. We all know that’s where this is heading.
Yes, last push to close all small businesses
DM says the Post Office is overwhelmed with parcels. Save the Post Office, shop on Amazon?
Post office could hire in Yodel?
In Bury St Edmunds area (Hancock’s constituency) they currently have 90 staff on ‘shielding at home’ and cannot deliver post on time (some areas only receives postal deliveries 1x per week)
I think we’ll have to start clapping for the Post Office. And stop posting letters – use e-mail instead. As for parcels, courier delivery only (Amazon).
Japan or South Korea stopped doing mass testing during Sars-1 because they somehow found people were catching it while queuing to get tested.
also it was a cold – so why bother
Nightingale hospital in London opening next week according to this email I received today
NHS Nightingale Hospital Excel London
Good morning and I hope you are well. Nursing Personnel have been asked to assist in supplying nurses Band 5 to Band 7 to the NHS Nightingale hospital at the Excel Centre in London. The hospital is opening this week.
If you are interested in working at the Excel in London please email us
Pay rates are below and accommodation is available.
Band 5
Day £25.00
Night £ 31.00
Sun £ 37.00
Band 6
Day £30.00
Night £ 37.00
Sun £ 45.00
Band 7
Day £34.00
Night £ 43.00
Sun £ 52.00
If they intend providing accommodation, they will have to wheel all the beds back in!
In, out, in ,out….
It’s totally unsuited for any in-patient treatment of any type, of course.
It’ll just be some sort of glorified day testing centre.
It actually would make sense to use it as a centre for rapid lateral flow testing for triaging people with any sort of flu type symptoms.And keep the negatives out of the hospital system, or out of the Covid wards, if non-Covid hospital treatment is indicated.
They just need to ditch PCR for good. But seeing as the whole damn panic is predicated on PCR, I doubt they will do that.
Since they locked us all up last March they probably want it as a maternity ward.
Such facilities might only be needed for a year or two….
Hospital admissions starting to curve over in London. Are the Gov. responding too late to make a difference but just in time to take the credit again?
Horse and stable door!
Received an E-mail from the CEO of Sainsburys this morning telling me they are going to employ security guards to ‘challenge’ mask less people at their shop entrances. Lost no time in replying with this:
Dear Sir,
I am extremely disappointed at receiving your latest E-MAIL Up to now Sainsburys has been one of the most considerate of shops in their understanding of mask less people.
Your decision to employ security guards to challenge those who are not wearing masks will have the following effects.
* It will make me much less inclined to enter your shop.
* It will make me feel angry and intimidated by the ‘challenge’ by those who, legally, are not entitled to do so. It will amount to ‘discrimination’ and there is no basis in English law for it.
* It will make the chances of confrontation and bullying by those wearing a mask, to those not, much more likely.
Up to now I have entered and shopped in Sainburys in the knowledge that they have supported ALL their customers, those wearing a mask and those who do not. I have been heartened by your tannoy announcements saying precisely this! I am therefore disappointed and extremely concerned at this retrograde step. I had thought Sainsburys were better than this.
I enclose the governments 2020 public health regulations concerning Coronavirus and I would draw your attention to paras. 2 and 3 which makes it abundantly clear that by discriminating against people who do not wear a mask both Sainsburys and their staff are liable to substantial fines.
https://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pd
I am a Sainsburys shopper of over forty years standing and I can’t tell you how disappointed I am at this extremely negative move on your part which will have nothing but negative consequences for all concerned.
Harry Hopkins
Don’t forget to boycott all of the other businesses they own – Argos for example
I’ve already boycotted Sainsburys on account of their support for BLM. I guess I’ll have to buy a beer there so I can boycott them again.
Masks= Government Psychological Warfare
Extend social distancing to 3 metres.
BRILLIANT
All of 40 people (shopping alone of course) in every supermarket.
Extend it to 300 miles ASAP otherwise there will be more deaths!!!!
Yes if viruses can travel to Antarctica (article on here yesterday) 3m is not going to be enough!
Masks and bargepoles available at every entrance.
Hot off the press….
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/visiting-care-homes-during-coronavirus/update-on-policies-for-visiting-arrangements-in-care-homes
The Bozzer didn’t break the law because he left his own door to exercise.
Presumably the Derbyshire 2 started out from the middle of the Gobi desert then.
Have we flattened the curve yet?
…couple more weeks
Carrot – – – – – – – – – – – –Donkey
yes, ages ago – now we are saving the NHS from the predictable and normal numbers of frail people requiring their services during the annual flu season
From here
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
yeah..about June 2020, now we are just milking it so we can establish the Great reset.
Most unlikely that we can ever flatten the curve when that curve can be any shape the government wants it to be.
Sainsbury’s are sending this email to their customers:
Dear xxxxx
I have spent a lot of time in our stores over the past few days and I need to ask for your help with two key issues to keep you and all my colleagues safe.
When shopping in our stores, you must wear a mask or visor unless you have a medical exemption. And you should also shop on your own. Thank you for your support.
Security guards will support our colleagues at the front of store and will challenge customers who are not wearing masks or who are shopping in groups. I know you’ll understand and support what we are trying to do.
We have also significantly reduced the number of customers allowed in our stores at any one time to ensure social distancing is maintained at all times.
Together, these steps will go a long way to keep everyone safe, whether you are shopping or working with us.
Please wear a mask or visor and please shop alone in our stores. Thank you for helping us to keep everyone safe.
Best wishes
Simon
The underlying assumption and even explicit statement that masks make people safe is very entertaining.
History really will judge this as the period when humanity quite literally lost its’ senses.
Of course, you cannot reply and ask “Simon” for the evidence as to why this will make everyone safe. It’s a no reply account.
We really are in an age of propaganda and evil. Goebbels would be deeply respectful of how well this is being executed.
Try Simon.roberts@sainsburys.co.uk
Or better yet, the chairman. Chairmen get really cross when contacted directly, and tend to go straight to the CEO and ask them why the hell they are being bothered. In my experience. Maybe try martin.scicluna@sainsburys.co.uk
It worked for me when John Lewis failed to deliver my furniture (twice).
It’s fun having nothing better to do sometimes (I might have been a bit economic with the truth, but what the hell)…
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Dear Martin,
As I have a 10 month old child, I consider it child abuse to make her wear a mask and psychologically damaging for her to only see people wearing masks. I have also suffered infections from wearing masks in the past, so for my own health, I would rather not wear one.
After your stance on masks, I will no longer be shopping at Sainsburys or any of the other businesses that you own (e.g. Argos) including online.
I will be boycotting your business forever.
I just thought I’d let you know.
For the safety of your staff, please make sure they regularly change their masks (at least very 2 hours) and never touch them as they may risk getting bacterial pneumonia.
Aldi and Lidl have not gone as full on Nazi about this, so I will be shopping at stores like this in the future.
Yours sincerely,
An ex-customer
Excellent
keep it short and sweet – they do not read email rants (neither do I in work)
Here’s a handy source for CEO contact details:
https://www.ceoemail.com/
Does anybody personally know any journalist who works for any of the mainstream media, TV/newspapers. I want to find out why they are not reporting all the things that we know. What have they been told, are their jobs at risk if they don’t follow the narrative. They must know what is going on?
”Does anybody personally know any journalist who works for any of the mainstream media, TV/newspapers”
I assumed they all worked for the CCP
That’s exactly what I’m trying to find out they can’t all be in the pocket of the CCP or WEF or Billy no mates Gates, or whoever the feck is behind this.
I have known quite a few over the years. There are no independent thinkers among them. Most of them are not particularly bright. I remember speaking with one who has become quite prominent at the BBC and she had never heard of the bombing of Hiroshima.
I’ve noticed on quiz programs that the younger ‘celebrity’ participants are not only dim but are proud of the fact! Usual comment ‘I know nothing about History/Geography/Literature/Politics/Science…..the list goes on and on. Any music question prior to the last couple of years is scoffed at. However their knowledge of Soaps and Reality TV is impressive. The Soma is clearly working. (Not that they would know what that is!)
I’ve looked at the names on muckrack, the profiles are weird, maybe not even real def not ‘journalists’, just those ‘media students’ we were swamped with
Journalistic output is constrained by editorial oversight; editorial oversight is constrained by the owners of the organ concerned. Ergo: we only see what the owners want us to see, this will be reflected in their political beliefs and ideologies etc. i.e. the ‘news’ is largely bought and paid for, independence, in any meaningful sense, is a thing of the past.
I know that Hieronimusb that’s why I want to hear what a Journo working for these large mainstreams really thinks off the record. Surely there must be somebody who knows one amongst us.
Long ago, in 1989, I was employed to bring forfeiture proceedings against a shop selling neo-Nazi and racist material in Central London. The case enjoyed brief notoriety in the MSM and was the subject of discussion and some hand-wringing in various Westminster City Council meetings and on one occasion in the HofC. Several journalists covered it and I contacted some of them when preparing witness statements/subpoenas etc. Because of the nature of the defendants, some of whom had criminal records/prison sentences for violence, there was an element of personal risk and even the Met were reluctant to intervene, although they probably had other reasons for this. To a man/woman the journalists I contacted, Jeremy Vine included, refused to assist in any way although they were happy to write copy for their various outlets. Proper investigative journalism is a thing of the past, already was then, and my respect for and trust in their ilk evaporated overnight. Those who now work in journalism and want to keep their jobs must largely stick to the limitations laid down for them by their employers. Most of them, to the extent that they have any real beliefs, will override them in order to earn a crust. What they really think, off the record, is neither here nor there. I’m sure that I’m not telling you anything that you don’t already know. Their are very few who, like Toby Young, are willing to swim against the tide.
Thanks for that insight, I appreciate it’s hard swimming against the tide and unlike in 1989 people now have to contend with social media as well. But I just fail to see how not one journo has spoken out against all of this given what is at stake.
Yes, my friend does. He is completely sceptical, but won’t join LS because he says he “has to be careful” because of his work (he is an editor). I think he feels his position is under threat if he can be identified as going against his paper’s narrative.
Thanks Jo. Has your friend told you anything about their work narrative, what they’ve been told they can and can’t say. Do he’s colleagues have the same attitude?
Don’t hang around with Paedos
So thats the BBC and the House of Commons out
Just banged this off to Morrisons.
Dear Sir/Madam.
I read today That Morrison’s is to enforce mask use in all it’s stores. I have been a customer at Morrisons in Elland since it opened. I also experience breathing difficulties which mean that I am unable to wear a face covering. This is a disability I have had all my life and it is upsetting to hear that I may be forced to shop elsewhere through no fault of my own. Of course this could be, like much else in the last year, blown all out of proportion by the mainstream media. I do hope so. Could you please clarify your policy.
One unfortunate outcome of covid is that the over 75’s and members of the BAME community seem to be more suseptible to the virus. I do hope that any further policies you may impose do not infringe on their rights as they appear to infringe on mine.
I’ve had no bother at all from my local Coop. Anybody else on here with Coop experiences, good or bad?
I have two local small Co-Ops. I’ve stopped using the nearest one as the Sturmbanfuhrer ‘security’ man is extremely unpleasant. The other one is fine.
COOP have always been relly good. Shopped there last night with maskless shop assistant displaying exempt badge. This allowed us to have a good chat and nice smile at the end. To be honest Morrisons have been good up until now.
I can’t look at a Co-op without thinking of the Chief Exec snorting drugs out of a rent boys crack
Thanks for that
Mine has been good all along, door left open, no problems
My local small Co-op are very good with me – always feel ok without a mask.
All good in my one. However the Scotmid Coop near my house is a bit iffy. I’ve been in twice in the evening and had no issue but both times the two supervisors (who i’ve seen moan at kids about masks) were not there. So still not sure about that one.
Local shops seem to be much better that supermarkets
Local bakers, butchers and booze stores – no issues
Most of my money is going local now
Screw the corporations
Run for the hills, folks.
Pathetic Patel to hold a press conference announcing even harsher crackdowns on Covid law breakers.
All COVID deniers will be shot on sight.
I’ve heard that they’ve discussed bringing back hanging, drawing and quartering.
Why stop there? Lots of people love a good bonfire.
Not for lockdown sceptics though…
Her preferred pronouns are “The Poison Pygmy”
How long until the first mask refusenik is murdered? End of the week?
There will be plenty of people who would cheer that. They’re so lost mentally..
Probably already happened.
How would that square with the “If it saves one life” rhetoric?
There you go again with your logic and rational thinking.
I am getting worried about that. The levels of hysteria are through the roof, and now we get members of the cabinet basically applauding the illegal vigilante actions of supermarkets.
This is going to end very badly for one of us I fear.
On the flip side, it could end very badly for one of the aggressors.
I was thinking about that .trump has been deplatformed allegedly for incitement. Hancock is close to that, supporting the police in an action that they apogised for.
Yesterday in Germany, a man was seriously injured in a bank by a person upset about him not wearing his mask properly.
The offender fled the scene.
Back from morrisons,no mask,no trouble.Bumped into bro,also maskless,advised him we should now distance 3m,had a lovely loud chat about the destruction of economy/country.Bro.talks loud anyway,so heard all along bread &bakery aisle and beyond.
Last night under cover of darkness,did a big sticker run.The fruits of my labour all round town centre, a joy to behold this morning!
Well done Kelly. I spotted some anti-lockdown stickers in Newcastle last week. It was a thrilling sight. Just for a moment, I was not alone.
I’ve just reported on ZOE for Her Indoors and myself. I’m disturbed by the latest graph (attached). I fear the recent disparity between ZOE and the propaganda has got to the point where 77 are hacking or swamping ZOE. Have any other LS contributors observed this?
Wouldn’t surprise me what goes on in secret, in smoke filled rooms after the last bus has gone.
Regionally you’ll see different data of course. Most of the discussions on here have focused on London peaking first and then more nationally a few days later.
The National picture continues to fall, Steve W has done his usual excellent update down the thread.
thanks!
the UK graph is smooth. regional graphs will wobble all over the place due to lowish numbers etc. its a sampling issue and can be safely ignored!
Just back from my regular walk in the country park with my friend and her dog. The roads there were just as busy but the intimidation against meeting up for exercise seems to have been successful. The park had many fewer walkers than previous weeks. The outdoor cafe is open, though no customers seen. We were able to sit down and share our thermos of tea as usual. No overzealous wardens or coppers in sight.
I think we can all see this is a Big Hoax. Consider the shenanegans in the USA, how the media apologise week after week for destructive BLM riots and all in unison condemn the President of the greatest country in the world, all using the same words, to condemn a peaceful rally, all big tech companies, all in unison, all condemning their President, all based on lies. Big Lies.
Greatest country in the world? By what metric?
Nominal GDP
So when China overtakes the US in GDP it will become the greatest?
Yes – the same media tells us we all have to stay under house arrest.
The media didn’t apologise for the BLM protests/riots. They provided wall-to-wall justifications for them.
The last two days on the radio I have heard nothing but self-righteous indignation railing against evil non-compliant people, especially those not wearing masks. I just don’t get it. There now seems to be an almost religious level of belief in these bits of rag, that our current situation is entirely due to the very few wicked people who are not wearing them in supermarkets. It’s mass psychosis and shows how detached people are from the facts and reality and have lost all proportion.
Non-mask wearers are now the equivalent of “witches” in the 17th century – scapegoats for the evils of the world. I have held out against masks for 6 months, but the level of hate is now so high I really feel anxious about carrying on.
This picture is how I feel now…
Change your radio station Philip. Try Talk Radio.
Of course, Donald Sutherland would be wearing a mask these days
Compliance is very high with masks and many other lockdown measures – no-one can seriously argue that lack of compliance is making a difference
The govt and public are looking for scapegoats because the lockdown is so obviously not working
Scraping the bottom of the barrel now
Don’t let your anxiety deter you, the science against masks is irrefutable and downright obvious when you consider the means and the objective. If challenged, don’t get flustered, question the evidence and/or claim exemption.
“When things are common sense, they still have an equal chance of harming or benefiting you and the quality evidence on cloth masks says they increase re-infection.” Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-based Medicine, Oxford University.
The evidence on masks is this: up to 2015, the only randomised controlled trial (RCT) was the one below showing the ‘danger’ of wearing cloth masks. Since then there has been one RCT on Covid 19 infection in Denmark and this showed no evidence either way.
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks, no masks & medical masks
British Medical Journal. 2015; 5(4): e006577.
C Raina MacIntyre,1 Holly Seale,1 Tham Chi Dung,2 Nguyen Tran Hien,2 Phan Thi Nga,2 Abrar Ahmad Chughtai,1 Bayzidur Rahman,1 Dominic E Dwyer,3 and Quanyi Wang4
Results: Infection was highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI (Influenza Like Infection) significantly higher than the medical mask arm. Cloth masks had significantly higher rates of ILI than the no mask control arm. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97%; medical masks 44%.Conclusions: The results caution against cloth mask use. Moisture retention, reuse and poor filtration increased risk of infection. More research is needed. Cloth masks should not be recommended for Health Care Workers and guidelines need updating.”
The British government, while ‘mandating’ mask wearing, recognises this is against the spirit of the 1998 Human Rights Act so have allowed those who are distressed at ‘wearing … a face covering’ to exempt themselves. The key words from gov.uk are: “If you have a reason for not wearing a face covering, you don’t need to show any written evidence of this; you don’t need an exemption card … (It) is a personal choice, not required by law.” That is from gov.uk!!!
Roger Koops, (doctor of Chemistry with 25 years working in big pharma) goes through the molecular behaviour of the SARS-Cov-2 virus with the main takeout this:
Wearing a mask, you become a source of environmental contamination. You increase your own risk and you also increase the risk to others.
From Roger W Koops ‘A Year of Disguises’ Oct 16, 2020 American Institute for Economic Research.
I know how you feel. Have to take a few deep breath’s and steel myself before going to buy a pint of milk.
Do carry on maskless. Take an exemption card with you. Be polite, but be firm. Stand your ground. We need every single person to say NO. They will try hard and lay the blame at our feet but the truth will prevail. It has been and always be a compliance test. Always remember you might be passing a person in a shop who wants to take the mask of but is afraid of doing it because no one else is. They will see you and get a signal…!
Best thing to do is carry on. Be brave , be resolute as you know you are the sane one here.
Good
we need to stay strong and turn it back on the maskochists
I don’t give a dingo’s kidneys about their “health , sanity or wellbeing
Fuk them and the muzzled horse they rode in on
Would any of these twats ever stop to think that mask wearing could actually be causing the spike? People fidding with the dirty rags around their faces then touching stuff, it’s disgusting.
Well said. Also, that people wearing masks “feel” they’re safer and then ignore other (more effective) things like hand washing (that’s the Peltzman Effect).
Very true. I may be the only unmasked on my infrequent shopping trips but I’m also the only one keeping my distance and following the arrows.
I don’t follow those arrows. No idea why humans ever accepted being treated like cattle.
Adjusted for population size, the official ‘covid death’ tate in the UK on the 7-day moving average basis, is now about 16 times that of Sweden.
UK – 915 – pop 65 million
Sweden – 9 – pop 10 million
They pull the things under their chin to chat to someone else then go on around the shop touching goods, handles , e.t.c. I know who the spreaders are and it is not me being maskless.
We had those in the office at work prior to covid. Also signs above every sink saying CAUTION HOT WATER. No shit..I would expect nothing else from a hot tap.
If there were ten times as many of us, we would be too many to scapegoat.
I wonder, if some of us get beaten up or even killed, will Hancock the wanky hamster change his rhetoric? Probably not. The media will just misrepresent or cover up the attacks.
Those would be counted as Covid deaths.
I was talking about the same thing to a friend. In all the times that I have gone into shops since the mask mandate, I have only seen about 5 other people without one. How the hell the unmuzzled can be blamed for the “uncontollable virus” I will never know. The lockdown zealots have to have someone to blame and we are an obvious target.
Totally agree! Difference between now (when we’re in the worse situation ever for the NHS?!) and “first wave” is wearing masks- God knows how high the spike might have been in the spring if everybody was wearing them then.
Would be nice if someone asked them if the masks could be making things worse (obviously will never happen!)
Covid: 2020 saw most excess deaths since World War Two – BBC News
Hmmm on the face of it, it’s tough to argue with this one since excess deaths is less controversial. But I will try here:
Any others fellow sceptics would like to contribute?
Looking at monthly death totals for England and Wales up to November (December figures out in a week or so). They went mad in April, and were high in May. Frankly, nothing to write home about since.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidence
yep
I thought that the total deaths are 8000 more than average. So it depends on how you are measuring “excess deaths”
Unless they are including Scotland (though where from I dont know as the ONS numbers are only for England and Wales) their numbers are wrong.
Even a 10 year old can add up the weekly ONS numbers and it comes to 614,114 for 2020.
It then should be easy to strip out the respiratory disease numbers to give total numbers of deaths from anything other than flu/pneumonia/Covid etc and compare those
And then of course compare the respiratory disease death toll
However the ONS make it clear on their data that because Covid has an emergency ICD code it is impossible to strip out the numbers of respiratory deaths for 2020 because a lot are double counted!
I think about 20,000 of those deaths were elderly being shoved back into care homes in April with covid and GPS refusing to go into care homes to treat anyone. That’s 20,000 excess deaths by the government/NHS, the real granny killers.
And it strikes me that over this year in particular there appears to have been a rather unsavoury enthusiasm by the NHS to get elderly and vulnerable to sign DNR Notices which have then most likely been acted upon with undue haste by doctors who like to play God and woudl claim to be protecting the NHS. That would ramp up the figures, as would iatrogenic causes.
Oxford COVID-19 Evidence Service – The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (cebm.net)
Get in to this and first item is all deaths 2020.
What about all the people who have lived into their 90’s and 100’s at the present time which has never happened in the past and it’s just nature taking its course and these super veterans are at last dying?
Not being flippant as my mother in law is 95 but just being realistic, after all ; the longer you live, the closer you are to death.
I think that it’s nature “levelling its playing field”.
Yes, particularly as the two previous years had relatively mild flu seasons which meant fewer deaths than average those years. As Ivor Cummins, John Lee et al have said, this ‘dry tinder’ has to die some time and it just so happens that, for a significant number, it was this year.
Where is the BBC getting its data from? I’ve only been able to find population data for the UK going back as far as 1950. Any measure of ‘excess deaths’ based purely on an absolute number is pointless, it has to be population adjusted.
DavidC
I don’t understand the latest narrative that Hospitals are running out of oxygen. Surely this is not the fault of the public but the managers of the NHS hospitals. Why cant they just order some more ?…I just looked on Amazon and I can get 30 canisters delivered to me by Thursday !!!. This is just another example of lazy, scaremongering journalism from the MSM.
They’re too busy doing tik tok.
Airlines seem to be able to get hold of it without any issues. Must be bad NHS management, as usual.
Most aircraft today use chemical oxygen generators not gaseous. Newer types such as the B787 and A380 do carry gaseous but rarely used so small demand. Same for the therapeutic oxygen carried.
However your point itself is well made. Any shortage is due to beauracratic process not lack of supplies.
Possibly it’s the propaganda which is beginning to run out of oxygen.
I read about this somewhere recently but can’t find the link! Apparently it is not about the supply of oxygen itself, but rather the supply system in the hospitals, so it’s an engineering problem to be solved. Will post link if I remember where I saw it.
No doubt there may be a problem with the preferred system used in hospitals (centralised, piped through from a single tank). But as you point out, there is no shortage of the gas itself, and self-contained canisters are available on Amazon.
The problem is with the NHS’s preferred system, and the unwillingness of managers to be even slightly flexible. Plus, perhaps, a sense that any excuse for a ‘crisis’ will be politically welcome to the regime.
The article was posted above the line one or two days ago. Apparently the solution is to spray water on the lines from the main supply tanks in cold weather, but that is too difficult for NHS staff.
Posted 9th January. The heat exchangers frost up and need the ice to be washed off by water.
“Plus, perhaps, a sense that any excuse for a ‘crisis’ will be politically welcome to the regime”.
And more MUNEE!
DavidC
Lockdown sceptics main narrative a few days ago
See Lockdown Sceptics 9th January 2021
I think it was here 3 or 4 days ago.
The poster was an engineer with experience in this field. The problem is that in cold weather the external heat exchanger that converts the liquid O2 to gas gets coated in ice and loses efficiency and reduces the amount of oxygen delivered. The solution used in industry is to spray water on the system to warm it up. He’d proposed this to NHS but seems to have been ignored.
Heard about it. Something about the fact that they store oxygen in liquid form at hospitals (gas form would require too much storage space). In winter these pipes bringing the liquid oxygen into the building freeze (not really happens in summer as warmer). They can pour water or steam over it to unfreeze the pipes but the NHS does not want to do that for some silly reason. Therefore: SORRY we dont have oxygen to save your life
Home Secretary is to host news conference this afternoon.
I’m not listening to anything this rotten government has to say.
Fuck the bitch and her fines
The Poison Pygmy can’t stop the channel migrants how is she going to fine everyone?
Priti Patel – strangely continuing the work of Idi Amin right here in the UK!
No doubt it will be more finger wagging tosh.
For anyone wanting to write to CEO of stores etc, here is a handy web site:
https://www.ceoemail.com/
If you do nothing else today watch this video about the Plandemic. The fact it’s been removed from social media should add further grist to the mill.
https://freedomplatform.tv/plandemic-indoctornation-world-premiere/
I spent an hour or two this morning writing to all 16 MPs who voted against lockdowns. Got a bunch of automated emails back but so far one genuine response:
Thank you for your email and kind words.
I could not vote for this lockdown until the 31st March. Adult and child mental health issues are still being forgotten along with supermarket workers, delivery drivers, emergency services, NHS, carers, teachers, postmen and millions of low paid people who are required to go to work.
I have been consistent that lockdowns are not working, they just destroy lives and livelihoods. People transmit the disease to other people, not the Government, so we have to find a way to live with this, while still protecting the most vulnerable, as it is clear restrictions are just not obeyed by a significant percentage of people. Sadly, the Labour Party continue to support these restrictions and even complain they do not go far enough, but I will continue to vote against them.
I believe we need a targeted approach to identify hotspots and break transmissions. With lots of mass testings, shutting down those areas and faster rolling out of our three approved vaccines, we can beat this disease. However, I am a democrat and believe in democracy so I will be following the law and ask my constituents to do the same.
Best wishes,
Stephen
Stephen McPartland
Member of Parliament for Stevenage
Not exactly what I would have hoped for. I had pointed out my concerns about the vaccines, but clearly that went nowhere… “beating the disease”, no not exactly… “significant percentage of people not obeying restrictions…duh!”.
Oh well it was worth the try.
Yes I was disappointed with his Saviour Vaccine and passion for testing but it’s an improvement on the official line and at least he supported democracy.
Surely for this narrative to be believable they need some dissenting MPs. Wouldn’t it look weird if all MPs voted yes. I’m sceptical that any change can happen from the top. We just need to keep chipping away at the bottom to enlighten people to this bullshit. Once enough see through this then they whole illusion comes crashing down.
I think the dissenting MPs are genuine enough, certainly the ones I have seen speak
But even genuine sceptics find it hard to think outside the narrative and get used to the idea that this is nothing exceptional, and even if they think it they dare not say it
“We just need to keep chipping away at the bottom” yes, absolutely. Local level, council, and other elected representatives; let them know that the electorate are paying attention. Also local businesses, the article posted yesterday from BBC news claiming lockdowns may be required for another 12 months or so, may well focus some minds to speak up louder. Hospitality, pubs, are the sorts of people who could potentially get media exposure too.
Dominic Raab currently making the case for Human Rights abuses as long as the cause is just.
So the end justifies the means.
I wonder what he believes is a reasonable and proportionate sanction for those who commit human rights abuses that are later judged by the community to have been unjustified.
The end justifies the means.
All evil is based on this premise.
Wow.
Eventually, when the police and army go Ceaușescu on the government, he will be fine with the human rights abuses that will be carried out against him so.
Footage of agitators at the Capitol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvqvvsqJ_s&feature=youtu.be
Well there are probably a lot who’d have voted for Sanders if he’d stood.
People who realise it’s happening are unhappy with the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer.
You know how the population is being dumbed down? We’ve just been for a walk and saw a set of traffic lights with a road sign stating do not drive through until the lights on green!
Fuckwit comment from supermarket worker Jane on the unmasked curtesy of the ministry of information
“Of course there are people with hidden disabilities who can’t wear a mask but there can’t be that many of them.”
How does she know?
In reality, the conscientious objectors must be outnumbered by those with physical disabilities who are wearing the gimp gag out of fear.
That is the nature of the society that has been created by this fascist regime.
It is. I have to visit my local animal feed store. They are the SS of covid enforcement. There is a danger I may go the full Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction if challenged…
Not forgetting the up to £9000 for personal damages in a civil court.
Another one ‘supermarkets are well ventilated, surely they can wear a mask for ten or fifteen minutes, just to buy essential items’.
If you are distressed by wearing one,you don’t have to wear one. End of!
Again, misunderstanding the law. If it makes you distressed, that’s enough.
Forgive this near copy of a post I submitted last week but it is relevant here:
On my last Tesco delivery I asked the masked up driver (nice bloke) whether the management insisited on face nappies? He said no but it has been impressed upon all of them that, if they “visited an infected house,” and took the infection back to the store, that would mean all the drivers might get sick or die and that no-one would then be available to deliver groceries. I get on well with all the Tesco lads (and lass) and they have often gone the extra mile in delivering to this very remote Cumbrian house in some appalling weather so I didn’t argue but merely asked how many of his colleagues had been sick from Covid since last March. “None,” was the answer. Not one. Not even a tickly cough to share between them.
There is not a single acute mental health care bed available for women the County.
One entire stand alone ward in its own modern building has been given over to testing NHS staff for Covid.
Other Places might have rented a marquee or gazebo.
https://adapnation.io/a-wibble-coordinated-defamation-attack/
Well, it turns out a few of them are part of a Facebook Page The #Wibble Movement and their private Wibble Group. It’s a public page, where the primary goals are:
Bringing back the Posse
Rumours abound (in my head) that the government are planning to bring back the good old American posse. This will allow groups of like minded individuals to band together, as long as they stick to social distancing guidelines, to hunt down covid rule breakers and bring them to justice.
Posses will be given vigilante rights and public lynchings will be available as a tool for delivering justice. Special Trees will be set aside and rope provided to facilitate this. It is not as yet known if socially distanced crowds will be allowed to attend.
This will be welcome support for the police who are at their limit of operational capacity trying to dispose of confiscated half finished takeaway coffees.
My town still has its mediaeval stocks outside the town hall. Can we use them? (Nearly suggested this on the local fb group, but remembered they’d kicked me out…)
Ours has got a nice open space where they knocked down the much-loved town hall to provide extra parking space. Couldn’t we have a guillotine? A bit messy, but it would provide extra employment for tumbril drivers, etc.
Socially distanced viewing spaces could be provided for those who want to bring their knitting.
I’m sorry, we’ve left Europe now, you’ll have to have an executioner with a world beating British axe!
Oh please., let this happen. Then I can get some of my unit back together and we can form a counter posse. Let’s see who ends up in a hospital shall we ? I’m sure some middle classed Karen’s will be able to best a couple of middle aged guys in reasonable shape with combat experience and hand to hand training..Fuck your masks, come at me , please!
I encourage everyone you can to take Sainsburys and Morrisons to task. Post on their social media/email etc. Let them know that this won’t be forgotten and that if pursued you will shop elsewhere etc
The real fight has begun
#meetoo
My locals don’t give a fig
Sadly I already do not shop in either of those stores but merely for convenience.
I’ll have wait for Tesco or the co-op to try it on.
Call them what they are
Collaborators
The accuracy of the RT-PCR test also needs to be publicised, not just the LFT as in this article
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/expert-calls-people-told-truth-4879169
Lateral Flow targets an N gene. This was arrived at based on samples taken from PCR + patients. Now if PCR is your base, and that is your base for lateral flow, then what?
https://mobile.twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1348943153999523841
,https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
This research paper supports mask wearing.
Quite a the paper
50 pages of ‘Masks might work because its common sense and our models say they could’.
File under ‘ desparate rubbish’.
About as illuminating as “Trish in Morrison’s, Clitheroe, Lancs,” being asked her opinion on masks R2 News.
Thats a load of flim flam that contradicts itself at several stages.
Even if it was 100% proof
Still not wearing a mask
Don’t care if 82 years croak – they are over the meridian anyway
Models then? Sweden is a good control and look, the same effect. File under Model Masturbation
Just about all of this ‘evidence’ has come since the politicization of mask-wearing in 2020.
Just take a look at pre-2020 research compared to since April/May this year.
Earlier research has also partly been scrubbed from the Internet.
Soviet ‘Science’
…and of course the largest RCT – from Denmark this year – showed no measurable benefit from masking.
We all know how eas it was for them to get that published.
Ivor Cummins has pointed exactly this out, and described it in the same way that you have. The new Lysenkoism.
It even says evidence for community mask wearing is based on a single Chinese study of 350 people or soin Beijing in March. So all of this political debate since and that is the only study which they can cite to defend masks in the community?
Jesus Christ
There have been decades of research into whether mask wearing in the general population reduces the spread of respiratory illnesses. It doesn’t. The WHO changing it’s advice due to pressure from mask fetish organisations doesn’t change that fact.
its not real research its just a listing of other papers and referring to them none of which seem to be accepted. Coughing on at petri dish at 20 cm blah. It looks for papers withy some support for their supposition then fits them together as evidence.
We are in a decent position to start picking off the most fanatical public health figures now. I notice Devi Sridhar yesterday came out and said that we aren’t going to eradicate Covid. This is the type of comment that needs to be aggressively shoved back – ‘Well why did you advocate for it then? Why are we locked down? etc’
Just hit Morrison’s myself and five more skeptics three are members of the Hell’s Angel’s the security guard obviously valued his life so decided not to say a word,I then asked to see the manager regarding the companies stance on masking,and requested a written statement, manager appeared only to admit he didn’t want to cause trouble and we were free to shop maskless, even going as far as to say that “Lockdowns were Bollocks”couldn’t agree more..
Sound chap.
Have always found the HA and Outlaws to be true gentlemen. Several stopped and helped me when my car broke down. The normals just drove past.
Yep quite correct, my friend’s do a lot for charity toy runs, help the aged etc.
This country is a fucking joke.
Interesting reading one or two replies on that twitter feed of Covid Zealots annoyed that people are having fun. I just wish people would reply to them and say “do you want everyone to be as miserable as you?”
From The Telegraph:
Metropolitan Police chief Dame Cressida Dick said London officers would be prepared to assist supermarket staff if customers became “obstructive and aggressive” when they were told they must wear a face covering.
Her comments came as supermarket workers expressed the difficulties in getting proof from customers who claim they are exempt from wearing a mask, while others have suffered abuse from shoppers after asking them to follow the rules.
She should be fired. For a lesbian you’d think she’d understand discrimination
Getting people fighting in the aisles was always part of the mask plan.
Dick has a BA Hons in scissoring and not much else
As John Cleese, in the days when he was funny, used to say of Terry Gilliam: a B.A. in basketweaving.
What about the masked people who are obstructive and aggressive? It’s mostly them.
The DICK COMMANDER
FFS! Does she not know what the law is or does she not care? No proof is required as per government guidelines.
Binmen have just collected the Christmas empties. Nice set of lads and I notice none of them have been wearing masks at any point or doing the pavement shuffle any time someone comes within twenty feet of them.
And considering what they have to deal with they’ve got more reason than most to mask up! The truth is that if you concentrate on avoiding contact with pathogens beyond what is sensible, i.e. prudent basic hygiene, you will diminish your immune system.
We should have let the virus rip. Because it would rip like a fart
LOL
The relentless scapegoating of non-mask wearers in MSM over the last few days is a stark warning to all of us. It will not be long before this starts getting violent. And if you think this is bad with masks, just wait until later this year when the government holds a gun to the head of all those who have refused to take the vaccine. They will make the lifting of restrictions for everybody entirely contingent on 100% vaccine take up. I shudder to think how ugly this could get.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can (and will) make you commit atrocities.
One of my favourite quotes of all time. Voltaire’s penetrating insight applies to the entirety of human history.
Haven’t got the exact quote to hand, but the one towards the end of Candide where one of the characters lists all the misfortunes they’ve all gone through, and says despite all that ‘is there anything worse than sitting here and doing nothing’ (or something that.
Sums up my feelings about this shitshow.
Ironically enough, Voltaire learnt a great deal about freedom, in all its guises, during his two and a bit years in England.
Getting people to to take a vaccine they don’t want will be an entirely different Ball game,non mask wearing is a small minority compered to those that will refuse the snake oil things may well get ugly but it will be to the skeptics advantage..
Given that we are being governed by a gang of criminal thugs, they will use every method in the mafia toolkit – bribery, extortion, fraud etc. – to secure compliance of an absolute majority of the population. Once this has been achieved, outright violence will be used to coerce anyone remaining. Denial of access to basic services, work and money combined with assassinations of prominent public figures opposing the vaccine. This will be the “hot war” phase of operations for the racketeers.
Hi Richard – don’t know if you saw my post to you of about 8 this morning. Nothing much, just that I dug out that Churchill quote I mentioned to you last evening after your perceptive post. Here’s a link to the post.
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/01/12/latest-news-252/#comment-350710
Thanks for the Churchill passage, very enlightening. There is nothing new under the sun.
It chimed so much with what you wrote last evening. And very apposite.
Yes, I agree. I know several people in that camp.
Yes, and for me death is absolutely preferable to the dystopian nightmare that will be guaranteed if things go this far. I just hope it all makes sense from the other side.
“I’d rather be atomized than communized.” President Eisenhower.
Here we go again – BBC 12:58
Care providers urged to take more discharged patientsUrgent talks have been taking place to try to get more care homes to accept discharged Covid-positive patients to ease pressures on hospitals.
In one meeting, involving government and NHS officials as well as care provider organisations, the situation is said to have been described as war-like.
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Would that like be a war er like where loads of people get killed?
Wars usually have defining characteristics – such as strategy. Chain of command. Notifiable ways forward if any deviations from the expected. Stormin’ Norman’s Desert Storm strategy reportedly fit on a piece of A4 paper, the Government’s covid rules require a spreadsheet with lord knows how many pages and about 400 rows per sheet to try and keep up with the measurements of scotch eggs & whether a salad constitutes a proper meal…most importantly wars generally have one other significant thing. An Exit strategy!
I saw this response on a Dan Hodges Twitter thread. Nothing to do with the poster, I just wanted to comment on this idea that we cannot protect the vulnerable (so easily).
Lets look at what we could have done and what we actually did:
That’s it. Lockdowns or any other restrictions are a strategy based on hope.
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NHS
@IanW9999
The Mayor of Tubingen just tried it, successfully.
Of course, he is vilified for it.
New Zealand. Yes. That golden ship of success.
Do these people not find it strange that not a single western country followed the NZ model successfully. Was this all down to one week in March as Labour would like to claim?
NZ is an outlier, not a model. And it’s got 5m people. Not 70m. And you want to track and trace every infection yeah? OK then. How about another 20bn shall that do it?
Sweden.
https://omni.se/farre-larare-an-vantat-svart-sjuka-i-covid19-forskare-hotad-en-hemsk-vecka/a/VqQ70r
Professor Ludwigsson Sweden, who published the article in New Eng J Med showing the low frequency of severe C-19 amongst children and also that teachers in those schools had half the risk of contracting C-19, has been threatened since publishing the article. Thousands of abusive tweets and he has been forced to report this to the police. It must be something desperate among the LD fanatics which seems to be disappointed in not more deaths in children and teachers.
Yes it is strange. Any good news rather than being welcomed as adding to the information we have in order for us to make informed decisions is instead attacked as a challenge to the faith. One group is acting like scientists and one like a religious cult.
One of the most shocking developments thus far, I have to say.
Do you have the NEJM link? I feel the need to screenshot.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670
Thanks.
The full Na** Bavarian PM has apparently decreed that henceforth people can only go into a supermarket with an FFP2 mask on.
In light of this, the UK’s nudging crackdown, Ioannidis recent paper on the futility and harm of lockdowns, Sweden’s much better numbers and the UK’s and Germany’s ever worsening ones, I think it is safe to declare today the day where those 2 countries, its politicians, businesses and people have, bar for a very tiny minority, completely and officially have lost their mind and gone fully insane.
Einstein would most certainly agree.
On the one hand, I would grudgingly admit that at least there is some recognition of the futility of wearing a cloth or paper mask. I’ve always thought that if you really believe in masks (and think, foolishly, that this virus is so dangerous to most people), then a ‘proper’ mask is what should be required. Of course, you would need to issue these to the entire population – good luck with that – and then there are questions of legitimate exemptions, etc.
On the other hand, the Bavarian premier is bonkers, as are those who believe this nonsense. With any luck, this will be the turning point for Bavaria, although perhaps it will need to be the imposition of compulsory hazmat suits before Bavarians figure this out.
Correct. I stated that early on, that the cloth masks etc. are completely useless and that their acceptance proved that mask mandates are just Gessler hats.
One also needs to know that Soeder, like all politicians, only wore cloth mask with their regions logo on it, like Sturgeon, and that his wife produces masks!
So yes, they might signal that they finally take it medically more serious than politically with masks and this change, but even if those masks worked (if they do, why do we have so many infections from hospitals and in care homes…) they neglect the fitting necessity and teaching the people to use them properly- have you ever seen someone who disinfects their hands 3x per mask use, as necessary?!
And: each mask costs a 5er and is single use.
Quite a premium for ones shopping, especially for the ‘deoplorables’.
I would also add that the fact that they are often not recognizing and even confiscating the for an exemption mandatory medical certificates and are even prosecuting the doctors who issued them there shows clearly, that this mask mandatee is neither about health nor the law, not even with FFP2 ones, but solely about obedience.
Like all Gessler’s hats were, are and will be.
But this one is the first one that also harms the wearer/greater.
And not even the Nazis went that far.
Go out wearing a WWII gas mask.
That’s what Bruce Reynolds who posts on here does.
It’s got to a point where if a study came out proving for a fact that covid isn’t as deadly as people have been led to believe it would be deemed as dangerous.
This would likely apply to just about anything that goes against the narrative.
We’ve only got to listen to what (unelected) Wittery had to say about it back in May. He believed it then – I’ve not heard that he issued a retraction. If he said it now, he’d be ”cancelled”!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be
(I know I keep posting this link, but it’s priceless!)
Any idea how the “clapping” campaign is going. I haven’t seen anything recently, but then I haven’t gone looking for the info.
It fell on it’s arse as it deserved to.
Anyone clapping is a collaborator
I have been watching ”Front Page” on Youtube – up to now informative about the US shenanigans. Yesterday the presenter saw fit to spout the usual ‘covid’ propaganda to tell everyone the ”deaths are soaring” stuff. Imagine my horror when Madge and that disgusting Funguson (thanks for the name whoever invented it) were held up as representatives of the UK’s ”struggle” against the ”soaring” UK figures. One unqualified and generaly despised person pushing the party line, and the other dishonoured and dishonest. How utterly embarrassing to see these two on US media.
I wasn’t the only one incandescent in the sudden lowering of standards of the site.
If supermarkets can open 24 hours and can have an hour for essential workers and vulnerable people only (how they can tell this is beyond me), then why not put some time aside for people who are exempt from wearing masks to do their shopping?
This will ensure that people who are scared of getting the virus who are not exempt will not put their lives in more unnecessary danger because they will know to avoid the supermarkets during these periods.
Some sort of traffic light system at the door:
GREEN: SAFE TO ENTER BUT YOU MUST WEAR A MASK
AMBER: BEWARE, NON MASK WEARERS IN STORE
RED: FUCK OFF AND QUEUE OUTSIDE IN THE COLD
There’s only about 0.0357% of people who are selfish enough to not wear one or who are actually medically exempt, so we only need about 30.8448 seconds a day (86400 * 0.0357%) for them to do their shopping.
Obviously any staff that work there for these 30.8448 seconds should be paid an extra 27p an hour danger money.
A similar system could be used for small businesses. Most will only need one light bulb.
AMBER meaning “we don’t give a fuck, please come in here and spend your money so we can keep society going”
Our hour would be 2-3am. We should be made to suffer!
Maybe some kind teenagers would invite us to an illegal rave afterward? Might as well make a night of it.
Latest BBC fear porn: worst excess deaths since WW2. Hubby sent it me, he seems to positively gloat over this kind of headline. Anyone have an alternative take?
Last year saw the largest increase in deaths in a single year in more than 70 years, according to provisional figures from the Office for National Statistics.
In 2020, nearly 697,000 deaths were registered, compared with an average of nearly 606,000 each year between 2015 and 2019.
This is the largest increase, or “excess”, in a single year since 1940.
It is likely to return death rates in the UK to levels last seen in the mid-2000s.
Population increase accounts for some it but my first thought is that some of this is deaths directly resulting from lockdown, not COVID
The population is larger now. It looks like this BBC propaganda is using raw numbers, not percentages.
Average age is much higher too.
This article is more balanced but still tries to terrify in the end:
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-how-mortality-rates-in-2020-compare-with-past-decades-and-centuries-12185275
you would expect an excess if you purposely send infected people into care homes
the point is lockdown #1 wasn’t necessary and neither are lockdowns #2 and #3
the only thing they do is cause a lot of death and suffering
Honestly, I don’t think we will ever know what exactly has caused these excess deaths, but we can probably suggest a few not related to covid…
The reality is there be multiple small reasons, rather than one big reason. But this takes time to explain to people.
But the point we really should be stressing is that a lot of this excess death is a result of lockdown measures, rather than the virus.
Tell him to get a grip and stop watching fear porn.
This is not giving any weight to the increase in population since 1945 (around 35%)
This comes from a Guardian article online
Note it is referring to England and Wales – not the U.K.
[Population in Eng. and Wales today is over 58 million]
I’d like to see a graph showing mortality rates per 100,000 for the last hundred years.
1957 and 1968 (years of a major flu epidemic) I suspect will be close to the rate for 2020 if not higher.
Herd immunity doesn’t mean the virus disappears though. Just means it’s in steady state. It’ll be back every autumn, and with it, the general panic. I’d love to be wrong…
Why should there be a general panic unless it’s manufactured? There isn’t about the flu however much bthe MSM play it up.
There may not be about the flu, but there will be about covid. Because everyone’s already scared. Media will push for ongoing widespread testing. Testing will show an increase in cases in Oct/Nov. And we’ll be off again…
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0112/1189205-castlerea-prison/
TLDR Bearded chaplain refused entry to prison as he would not cut his beard – beards not allowed due to COVID19.
You wonder if he was Sikh, would this rule apply?
Does that mean cressida is not allowed into HM Prisons?
She’s defo a beard
So on the subject of Morrisons and Sainsburys being utter twats…
If we accept that a virus cannot fit through the holes in a mask, then by extrapolation, I am unable to fit through the doors at their supermarkets. By this logic, the rules they’ve put in place are pointless – since I can’t get in anyway.
Not sure this will hold up in court but it makes sense to me.
The primary factor is that they are willing to discriminate against people with disabilities – unforgivable
I
COVID-1984 UPDATE |08-01-21
We now have more than enough utterly compelling prima facie evidence to proceed with the PCP against the UK government for Pandemic Fraud.
The final papers are now being prepared and will be laid in a criminal court at the earliest opportunity.
Whilst the exact details of the charges we are about to lay will not be disclosed until the papers have been laid, here is the most chilling aspect of what we have established.
A few days ago, I disclosed that heavily censored WHO data shows that the 2019-20 flu shots are known to kill 377 out of every 100,000 healthy adults.
Well, after we examined UK government data from September 2019 to January 2021, we discovered that:
1. 28 million people have had the flu shot during that period.
2. 104,000 of those people have died.
3. 28,000,000 / 100,000 = 280 [x 377] = 105,560 fatal adverse events.
That’s a margin of error amounting to just 0.56% between predicted and actual deaths.
If the criminal government had not indemnified all the vaxx developers, manufacturers and those administering them they would all now be dealing with the consequences of their heinous crimes.
Therefore, in addition to the litany of COVID-1984 frauds alleged, the defendants in the PCP will also be defending charges of conspiracy to commit mass murder by lethal injection.
Is it any wonder that they want to legislate to silence and imprison so called ‘anti-vaxxers’?
Nevertheless, they will find that nefarious objective impossible to achieve when they are banged up in Belmarsh for their murderous crimes against their own people.
This has been submitted under the Peoples Union of Britain PUB – join the PUB and rally to the developments for the New Era
https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/biggest-criminal-fraud-case.html#extSocialButtons2-414
https://www.thebernician.net/criminal-correlation-between-vaxxtermination-roll-out-covid-deaths/
More here.
1. 28 million people have had the flu shot during that period.
2. 104,000 of those people have died.
3. 28,000,000 / 100,000 = 280 [x 377] = 105,560 fatal adverse events.
Perhaps I’m missing something here but how many would be expected to die from a sample of 28 million. Given that a big proportion of those who had the flu jab were likely to be in the elderly/vulnerable category 104k doesn’t seem particularly high.
Dirty, Lying Bastards.
1 in 3 people actually have coronavirus, they just don’t know it!!
This is what it say’s on the UK government website. This was added on 10/01/2021.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/asymptomatic-testing-to-be-rolled-out-across-the-country-starting-this-week
Dirty, Scummy Bastards.
That’s like saying to people who have absolutely no money, “you do have money, you just don’t know it”
Unbelievable. Why the fuck there has not been mass civil disobedience (by that I mean riots) by now absolutely astounds me.
I agree with your sentiments but think it through.
If that is true, then what does it imply about the danger of this.
I think it actually quite possible at this time of year, because of the well known seasonality of coronaviruses,, and if true, then it shows not only how lacking in danger this virus is, but also how futile and useless any methods are in stopping the spread.
Knowing how stupid the sheep are, it will be the Netflix & Strictly option….everything else is sacrificial as it is a source of the spread of the “virus” it seems.
Wankers.
Very true, I have tried to make the point to some people of, how can you spread something when you don’t have it in the first place????
That’s like saying to people who have absolutely no money at all, don’t spend it.
How can you spend something that you don’t have???
Sadly, that’s the whole basis of credit slavery. Easy borrowing, lifetime debt.
I believe what it means is that 1 in 3 people who have the virus don’t show symptoms, not 1 in 3 of all people have the virus.
However the wording could be deliberate to make people think it applies to the whole population.
Well this wording is complete bollocks:
Coronavirus is the virus, Covid-19 is the disease. They are clearly conflating having a few innocuous virus floating around with actually having a disease, which they’ve already muddled by defining cases as anyone with the virus (or positive PCR test, which we also know is bollocks) not an actual medical case, which requires some symptoms. Bollocks on top of bollocks.
That’s about the same proportion for asymptomatic influenza, but no preventative action is taken regarding such situations.
I’ve said before on here that the reason there has not been mass civil disobedience is because people are just trying to get on with life as much as they can right now and are probably secretly transgressing in their own small ways, and so don’t feel the need to rebel. Look outside, there are many more cars on the road and people out and about than in the first lockdown.
I think that this is true, but also I think there’s a weird psychological phenomenon, that people have genuinely forgotten that this isn’t the way it’s supposed to be. I catch it happening to myself – I get so absorbed in the latest insanity that I almost find myself nostalgic for the ‘freedom’ of last August. Then I give myself a stern talking to.
But I think there’s a significant number of people who just don’t remember a time when it wasn’t normal for the government to dictate what we can do in every single part of our lives.
Probably a lot down to state sponsorship. 100% pay for anyone on the goevernment payroll and furlogh for many others. There are groups of us with nothing, but we are spread widely and with the laws there to fine us out of our rent payments we’d struggle to get together…
Maybe online protests through zoom and other online meeting channels. Crash their servers…
Also means in 10 days 1 in 3 will not need a vaccine as they’ll be immune
On that basis, in 2 weeks, those 1 in 3 will be COVID free and immune.
Florids:
No mask mandates, no lockdown, same hospitalization rates af flu in 2018
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-with-no-lockdown-or-mask-mandate-florida-has-roughly-same-hospitalization-level-as-2018-flu-season
With probably proportionately the most unhealthy, obese, eldest and most at risk of severe Covid people….
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6402080/vaccination-wont-help-covid-surge-hse-4000-staff-off/
The “health service” in Ireland has fallen to the same problem as the NHS – reduced staff due to COVID isolations.
Latest ONS data out today, week 53 of 53 reporting periods for 2020.
Latest total weekly deaths, 10,069, RIGHT ON THE AVERAGE FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR!
These deaths include Covid19 attributions, cancers, suicides etc etc.
Analysing the data for the last ten years (2010 to 2020) the average weekly deaths (absolute numbers, not population adjusted) are 10,351! No consideration of winter or summer, high or low flu seasons etc. According to the ONS (estimates and projections) the UK population has grown by 7% since 2010.
I’m going to do some more work on averages – excess deaths based on 5 year averages and non population adjustment don’t seem to make much sense to me.
One other thought comes to mind. We are now into 20121 and thus the beginning of a new reporting year. Note how the Covid19 deaths are still being totalled from the beginning of the ‘pandemic’. If we did this for flu, i.e. kept totalling, imagine how many MILLIONS would be reported as dead since 1918!
DavidC
Yes. Vernon Coleman pointed this out in Summer. It’s multiple seasons for Covid deaths, not for anything else.
It they did that with every disease, counted from when it was first recognised !!
Even better, imagine if they did that with total deaths, whether disease or natural, from the beginning of human civilisation! BILLIONS DEAD! PANIC!
DavidC
David Kurten
@davidkurten
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I’ve just been to a London Assembly meeting about Covid. Anyone not accepting the Con/Lab/MSM lockdown & vax plan are referred to as ‘malicious people’ & ‘anti-vaxxers’ who spread ‘misinformation’ & ‘conspiracy theories’. This is to be countered with ‘heartbreaking stories’.
https://twitter.com/davidkurten/status/1348964454957019143?s=20
So no change from the current demonisation then?
‘Let is rip’ smears is all.
Sweden.
A good man. But the covidfanatics appear to be the same ones who cancel out everything they don’t like, no debate required.
Their favourite:
‘The science is settled’
The very definition of being unscientific.
Just got a 24 hour posting ban on Fakebook.
A woman described non mask wearers and those who don’t follow the rules as selfish.
I responded by saying to the poster that she was the selfish one by forcing untold numbers to die of untreated cancers, social isolation and suicide, and said that masks don’t work anyway (with a link to the November 17th meta analysis of mask effectiveness.
So, they can call us selfish, but we can’t call them selfish because that is bullying and harassment.
I have appealed the decision, but it’s unlikely they’ll get around to dealing with it.
Facebook is officially one big echo chamber. They can have it.
I am not on Facebook.
Thank you for fighting the good fight
No, the other sceptics on there need encouragement and reinforcement. I suppose I would have been deleted if I’d mentioned “Stop the Steal.” Great business model, however, destroying your own customers. I’m on Gab now as Welshman902.
There is a phenomenon I’ve noticed in recent weeks regarding the number of people encountered when I go out for exercise.
I’ve cycled regularly all my life, and over time you start to notice various patterns that form. Some patterns you might not notice in a car, like the effect different types of trees have on tarmac surfaces, or how good a job car tyres do at keeping road surfaces debris-free.
When cycle lanes are drawn motorists tend to keep out of them with the result that debris builds up in the lanes. Some motorists still drive in cycle lanes, for example lanes tend to be cleaner on left-hand bends than right-hand bends. The outside half is usually cleaner than the inside half. However, one of the recent problems I’ve noticed is with bollards being used to section off cycle lanes. That keeps motorists out completely, so no more debris removal.
One human pattern that’s changed quite significantly in recent weeks was evident again yesterday. Like Boris, I did a 14-mile round trip, but out into the Suffolk countryside. In the countryside I noticed slightly fewer people that usual, but in a two-mile radius of my own village I noticed many more than usual. For example, on a 100-yard path connecting two roads I would normally encounter one or two people, often none, but yesterday I counted 14 people and two dogs. Also in the countryside there are certain places where cars are often parked at the roadside. They’re obviously places where people are off rambling in the woods or walking along river banks. Those spaces are nearly all empty now.
My hunch is that, while more people are obviously out exercising due to having to spend so much time at home, many people who would normally get into a car (isolated from everyone around them), drive to a remote rural spot, and then go for a walk in a less concentrated area, are now banned from doing so and exercise instead in their local areas where they’re encountering many more people.
Just a reminder that there is an alternative to Twatter: Gab. Simon Dolan has moved over there: https://gab.com/Simondolan
A lockdown sceptics group has been setup:
https://gab.com/groups/7848
Let’s stop supporting the enemy’s cheerleaders and censors.
I tried to view Simon’s gabs (?) but it appeared that I’d have to sign up. Is that right?
I’ve signed up but the site is incredibly slow and all I get is ‘that page is missing’ or ‘something went wrong our end’.
Yeah, it is struggling to keep up with demand. Seems a lot of people are trying to switch. I gather that several twitter staff have quit and have been rehired by gab. Patience…
Gab is trying to keep up with demand at the mo
They have their own infrastructure so be patient
It is having a few teething problems with a sudden increase in demand, but you should be able to see his posts without logging in. e.g.
https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105535988506922342
No, no need to sign up
Site is slow
also
Dick Delingpole
Posie Parker
I don’t like echo chambers. Very unhealthy in a democracy. Social media would be better if they suggested listening to people outside your ‘comfort zone’. That’s how governments in most European countries are formed (PR).
I follow people ranging from Peter Hitchens and JHB to Richard Murply and Dr Phil Hammond and even Jeremy Clarkson, an utter maverick. COVID illustrated that some people I’d expect to be in my terms level-headed and sensible aren’t, and vice versa.
That would be fine, except twitter is censoring people it decides it doesn’t like or don’t follow it’s editorial line. People should be free to listen to/read whoever they want, and ignore if they don’t.
I’ll try later when they have invested in new hardware to cope with demand. Not really that interested in Twitler etc, but I want Twitler to realise that they are going to pay for their fascist behaviour.
That’s all fine and perfectly sensible, but it’s vital to keep in mind what is happening here. People on the right and on the sceptical side, like traditionalists and “racists” etc before them, aren’t leaving Twitter etc because they want an echo chamber or don’t want to engage with opposing opinions – quite the opposite. Those people are being banned by Twitter etc, or being censored and harassed to the point where honest free discussion is simply not practicable.
Twitter etc are intentionally creating an echo chamber (as, more broadly the “woke” and pc have made an echo chamber of society as a whole over the past few decades, to the extent they have been able – that’s what political correctness, “no platforming” and cancel culture are all about). If there is any kind of echo chamber on genuine free speech platforms like Gab etc it’s solely because people choose not to go there for political etc reasons, generally in order to avoid having to discuss freely with dissenters.
This is not an even-handed situation.
A bit like with lockdown, by complying you enable. By worrying about guilt by association, “social shaming” etc you reinforce its power and make the problem worse.
So BBC runs with the scaremongering headline that 2020 saw ‘the most excess deaths since WWII’. Yet in the article itself the BBC admits that once adjusted for age and population growth, 2020 was only the worst year for excess deaths since the 2000s. Of course, disingenuous MSM journalists will no doubt quote the headline as is.
And how many of those excess deaths are due to lockdown? The government literally kicked people out of hospital and left them to die, as well as scared people so much that they refused to seek treatment. Of course if you deny people medical care, they are going to die.
There has never before been a policy as damaging as lockdown in this country so I am convinced that it has contributed to these excess deaths that we are seeing.
The BBC are without shame and obviously pushing agendas, for whatever reason – discredit the govt, they love lockdowns, goodness knows why they are doing what they are doing
I think the disinformation campaign/nudge unit/propaganda etc has worked on BBC employees as much as its worked on the rest of the population (barring Nick Triggle).
When you hear Emily Maitless shrieking ‘mutant strain’ and ‘NHS overwhelmed’, I think she believes it.
The Preying Maitlis, natural habitat BBC, close relative of the cockroach.
It wouldn’t surprise me. Her degree was in English, she’s unlikely to know anything about microbiology, virology or epidemiology.
DavidC
If you recognised that those who are on board are in a self-justified sense of war, then you would start to wonder what their ‘worldview is’. Meanwhile they are actively shaping yours.
I think have an idea what their worldview is and don’t share it
They may be trying to shape mine; don’t think it’s working
Couldn’t believe this headline when I saw it earlier, my pro-lockdown buddies were quick to send. How utterly disingenuous not to account for population – the article needs to be forwarded to the BBC’s own REALITY CHECK for debunking. Christ, honestly this would be the quickest thing to be labelled DISINFORMATION, BASELESS RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY if it came from us.
You wouldn’t put it that way if you were on the other side of the balance sheet – or balance of societal control.
So a true account has to show both sides of the account.
Its a redistribution of wealth and power.
As a contraction of consciousness to a subspecies under systemic control.
The framework of what people take as their thinking is for the most part set in terms that cannot reach or articulate their own condition.
On the other hand, the fear of life or truth is denied by the mind that provides such unconsciousness in displacement, and so the blame narrative that assigns power to ‘Them’ can operate as the means to escape responsibility – as if to escape fear or pain of loss.
Addiction is always some habit pattern of self-evasion – displaced onto externals, such as comfort eating or geopolitics.
Why are they still Topping up the threats. The figures are out, same as average now
You have answered your own question there.
They still have a long way to go to reach their end objective (we do not exactly know what that is)
Possibilities:
If they mandate masks then they should prohibit beards:
Why beards aren’t usually allowed in the fire service
The following is a quote from a fire academy rule.
it states that all those using masks “must be clean-shaven” It goes on to say that anyone with a medical condition “which precludes their ability to be clean-shaven” must tell their supervisor.
They will then be advised on other shaving techniques. This means that if you’re a rookie, you can almost certainly forget about growing that beard.
This no-beard policy from the National Firefighters Association all comes down to an issue of health and safety.
As a firefighter you’ll need to wear a SCBA mask to protect yourself from the smoke and other substances in the air.
That mask forms create a seal on the face to stop air coming in and to provide a clean flow of oxygen.
The fear is that a beard can cause a barrier between the mask and face, limiting the ability to create a good seal.
This gap, however small, could mean that dust particles get into the beard and the airways of the firefighter.
If dust and soot were to get into the beard, this would increase the risk of developing serious respiratory illnesses and cancers.
Cancer rates are high among firefighters because of the layers of debris on their gear. Plastic particles, petroleum fumes, asbestos and more all play their part.
If this sits within the beard it is all too easy to inhale particles after removing the mask. Any firefighter with a beard will need to wash it carefully after every incident to stay clean.
If they don’t, those particles and carcinogens could contaminate the fire engine and station throughout the day.
Therefore, the safest approach is to keep beard hair to a minimum to avoid this risk or to shave it all off.
Can you imagine if it went on fire!
Very good point – I’ve seen a few guys around with honking great big beards and a little piece of cloth over their mount and nose, but quite obviously loads of space for coronas to float through their beard. They are ridiculous.
or do this with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4RSDP4LGX0
That is hilarious!
They say it isn’t the lie that gets you but the cover up
In March we had a novel virus and a pandemic response plan. Neil Ferguson came up with stupid graph, everybody panicked and they threw the plan in the bin. They discharged covid patients into care homes. That killed 30,000. Season 1 peak came and went without any interference from lockdown (as shown by the progression of the R numbers below). But they couldn’t admit it wasn’t as bad as they feared. That would leave 30,000 deaths to be accounted for by their monumental and reckless mistake. So they made out it was as bad as it could be. So after a year, they could say ‘lots of people died, lots of decisions were made, some good, some bad, we will learn for the future’. As if panic-mongering this 3 week peak into a year will somehow cover up their crimes and that mistake gets ‘lost in the noise’. But so many people will die here and worldwide from the decisions flowing from the original cover up.
And now they are sending people back from hospital to care homes?
yes, they still are!
I think in due course it will become accepted wisdom that this is exactly what happened, which makes it even more surreal to see the following on the BBC’s live feed today:
12:58
Care providers urged to take more discharged patients
Alison Holt
Social affairs correspondent
‘Urgent talks have been taking place to try to get more care homes to accept discharged Covid-positive patients to ease pressures on hospitals.
In one meeting, involving government and NHS officials as well as care provider organisations, the situation is said to have been described as war-like.
Since September, 136 homes in England have been signed up as so-called hot homes – far fewer than originally hoped.
The homes have to pass significant additional infection control checks and have dedicated staff.
Along with existing local authority run homes and NHS facilities, there are just over 2,500 beds available for people who need low-level support.
Between 70% and 80% of those beds are already full and up to 2,000 patients are waiting to move out of hospital.
Most care homes can’t get insurance if they take someone with coronavirus, so the government is said to be looking at ways to provide cover.
But after so many deaths during the first wave of the pandemic, many care homes say taking Covid patients is out of the question as their first duty is to protect existing residents.
In addition, the sector is struggling with a growing number of staff off sick or self-isolating.’
By the time this becomes accepted wisdom, Johnson, Hancock, Witty, Ferguson and the other one will all be in the House of Lords, completely beyond reach.
Simple Xi SAYS ‘obey and comply’.
Who doesn’t play shall be ‘incentivised’.
To Chinese mode of governance.
By dint of ‘hammer’ and the ‘dance’,
Now framed within the programmed tracks.
of false assumptions dressed as facts
Purveyed as ‘normal’ currency.
Under fake emergency.
Whose framed reaction recycles baggage.
Propaganda finds safe passage.
No moral outrage or reasoned debate
Forfends the knee of a global dictate.
Unwillingness to live the lie
Allows the love of truth to shine
For nothing we can ever do
shall take a lie and make it true.
Anyone want a bit of light-hearted work for the next little while – go here to see all the pro muzzle wearing shoppers and spend some time down-ticking the nonsense.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55618408
The brainwashed sheep on there are unbelievable. I read a couple of the comments & felt the urge to go & smash their stupid fucking heads in.
Woke, Brainwashed Arseholes!!!
Fuck the BBC!!
Sorry also Ozzie, that is no way aimed at you for posting that, I just am extremely angry & pissed off at this now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55633843 now the others join in.
I agree – the comments are very annoying, but I found some degree of “amusement” in how incredibly predictable, woke and virtue signalling they all seem to be. They also seem (unsurprisingly) to reiterate the nonsense peddled by the BBC. There are a few pushing back against the narrative.
Do you think they are all written by BBC interns sometimes pretending to be a bit thick to make it look more realistic??
If it’s any consolation, I was looking at a video on lockdowns on Youtube posted by The Independent. Every single comment was anti-lockdown and anti covid-hysteria. Every single one. Semper fidelis.
Managed a few dozen and wanted to punch a wall. How stupid can people be?
Here is one of the many insane comments in that article,
“The Gov should support all supermarkets to the hilt with this. It is completely unacceptable that the minority think it’s acceptable to potentially murder a shop assistant by not putting a bit of cloth over their mouth.”
I need to go punch a wall or something.
Aaaaarrrrgggh!
Just seen this on my local Nextdoor page:
Post and Covid. Due to staff sickness etc we hardly ever get post here in . We’ve been waiting for a letter for over 3 weeks. Would this affect being summoned for a Covid jab?
PS Have just read The Telegraph front page.
This is a real issue of concern to the Government
It’s a real concern for me too, that anyone would read the Telegraph (Thumbs up from me)
Does that mean mail is transfering covid?
I had an idea regarding passing on this virus within the huge amount of Christmas cards in transit during the festive season, could this be a source of contracting do you think??
At the moment, ‘experts’ say this is unlikely. However, anything that drops through my letterbox gets kicked to one side and stays in isolation for 72 hours. Even after that time, I sanitise my hands after opening post and parcels.
I thought about answering to the last commenter how sorry I feel for her being so manipulated by the media, but these people do not understand that I actually feel sorry for her after I laughed about her stupidity.
I thought the whole “COVID can be transmitted on surfaces” was debunked ages ago. What do these people do when they go to the supermarket and bring the shopping home?
I can answer that. Mrs. Tarfu wipes each individual item with a jaycloth soaked in kitchen cleaner. I smile benignly and say nothing.
I have some sympathy for people that are scared of the covid bogeyman but it is rapidly diminishing after all these months.A lot of them aren’t even prepared to listen to any narrative other than that of the media and take time to reach their own conclusions.If they can’t help themselves and won’t accept any help I don’t see why they should be allowed to drag us all into the abyss with them,because that’s all they are achieving by their timidity.
I think we do have to see it as an induced mental illness. But I agree that it is difficult to sustain sympathy when the lunatics are running the asylum.
I’m just browsing the UKs 2014 pandemic response plan
I can’t see anything about lockdown. The only bit I can see that is close is “Social distancing, especially school closures might reduce clinical attack rates in children and slow epidemic spread somewhat from reduced interpersonal contacts.” Of course that’s not relevant for covid as kids aren’t involved.
I’m also looking for the bit about waging bio-war against care home residents. Nothing coming up. Maybe its in an annex
This is their entire list of possible interventions
persons with symptoms staying in their own homes
persons who develop symptoms at work or while away from home, returning to home as quickly as reasonably possible
good respiratory hygiene practised by all
frequent handwashing practised by all
appropriate cleaning of frequently touched hard surfaces in the home and in public places
avoidance of unnecessary contact with others and unnecessary overcrowding (reduction of contact rates) rapid access to antiviral treatment for symptomatic persons (reduction in
transmissibility)
nothing about masks either
The WHO planning document from 2019 (before the organisation was comprehensively got at) on NPIs dismisses most of the current governmental actions – especially for diseases that are not high consequence.
https://www.aier.org/article/the-abuse-of-science-in-the-corona-crisis/
Another excellent article from AIER
It’s from a German professor teaching in Lausanne, who resigned from Leopoldina, Germany’s Royal Society equivalent, in disgust of the unscientific support by that academy for Merkel’s latest lockdown.
Ignored by the MSM, of course.
As is Ioannidis’ recent paper, or Sweden’s ever falling comparative death rate.
Rather interesting data showing previous higher winter mortality 2015-2019 in Europe is also predictor for higher C19 death. Rather intriguing (Sorry if published before)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.25.20248853v1
Longitudinal variability in mortality predicts Covid-19 deaths
“Here we present data demonstrating that mortality due to covid-19 in a given country could have been largely predicted even before the pandemic hit Europe, simply by looking at longitudinal variability of all-cause mortality rates in the years preceding the current outbreak. The variability in death rates during the influenza seasons of 2015-2019 correlate to excess mortality caused by covid-19 in 2020 (R2=0.48, p<0.0001). In contrast, we found no correlation between such excess mortality and age, population density, degree of urbanization, latitude, GNP, governmental health spendings or rates of influenza vaccinations.”
… which is an extension of the ‘dry tinder’ thesis. My only quibble is the use of the term ‘excess mortality’ – a more precise definition of the independent variable is needed.
Make sure you follow Andrew Torba on Gab for some of the most insightful current year musings
Also pretty sure Getongab on twitter is him as well
How do you get on Gab? I have tried but it just says searching and screen goes blank.
House of cards
Covid: 2020 saw most excess deaths since World War Two – BBC News
Regarding the above, the top comment should reassure you all:
“When the age and size of the population is taken into account 2020 saw the worst death rates since the mid 2000s”.
Some explanation and context about why the death rate in the mid-2000s was as high as a covid pandemic year would be useful.
Stay strong, we are winning the rational argument. The stakes are incredibly high for “the establishment” (governments of the uk, mass media, nhs, etc), hence the concerted attacks we are getting at the moment. House of cards.
Nick Triggle is excellent all the way through this – no more than I would expect from a decent journalist, however.
“The data on deaths can be confusing.
On one hand, excess deaths are at their highest since World War Two, while on the other, death rates, once age and size of population are taken into account, are at their worst level for a little over a decade ‘only’.”
and a nice quote further down the article
Matthew Reed, of the end-of-life care charity Marie Curie said the focus on Covid should not hide the fact there has been a “silent crisis” of deaths at home.
He said people have died prematurely in 2020 from other causes – with a big jump in deaths at home.
“We are concerned many have not had the care they needed,” he added.
Thank you.
“excess deaths are at their highest since World War Two”
… playing on the inaccuracy of ‘excess deaths’ – a meaningless term.
The other important factor is the April spike – which was a brief period of genuinely high mortality.
Take that genuine viral event out, and cumulative mortality is even less exceptional, with post-June levels running at the quarter-century average or below. There has been no exceptional mortality since then, despite all the hype that the government and the Chuckle Brothers confected.
yep, and most of that spike was due to government policy on sending infected people into care homes
Due to the care homes
Another BBC myth-making exercise.
The period since 2000 has been a period of anomalous historically low mortality. We have seen many worse years without panicking.
Further – if you look at the two-year period of 2018-2020 (thus adjusting for the prior year’s exceptionally low mortality), deaths are bang on the 27-year average.
Consider there is more pollution now (higher cancer rate), people are even more obese, this is the war generation, which for some reason was very healthy so far and physically fit.
Data over the past week has utterly demolished the case made last week for the latest national lockdown, i.e. that infections (and subsequently hospitalisations) would not decrease without another full lockdown.
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1348978306847268866?s=20
Updated info on Law Or Fiction site about Lockdown 3 law vs. guidance:
https://www.laworfiction.com/2021/01/the-law-of-lockdown-3-0-from-december-20ththe-law-of-lockdown-3-0-from-january-6th/
“The liberal left has gone fully illiberal”
For my fellow former “centre lefties” and just about anyone reeling from this total assault on our civil liberties and human rights, this is EXCELLENT reading and sums it all up:
https://www.aier.org/article/the-liberal-left-has-gone-fully-illiberal/
It’s not just the illiberal ‘left’. As pointed out – the BBC is fully in the control of the illiberal Tory-donating right.
Tory does not equal right – not my kind of right anyway
There are 2 parties in the UK
1) The Neo Liberal Woke Party of Davos (blue team)
2) The Neo Liberal Uber Woke Party of Davos (red/yellow team)
I hope you are wrong. Much like the twiterlati it is more likely I think, as Brett Weinstein termed it, the chihuahua effect-a small number of little yapping animals determining the narrative
Edinburgh Council are wasting money on huge building site hoardings telling people what to do with their waste if they have covid. On the stretch of North Bridge over Waverley train station 6-7 adverts 2mx 5m have the typical cartoon infographics all councils now puke at their public.
If you are interested what you do is this:
1. Double bag your waste.
2. Realise that waste includes tissues.
3. Leave outside for 72 hours (unclear if you need to fight of rats, seagulls and binmen during this stage).
4. Finally put into council bin for collection.
Now. Waste collections are a joke across the city and so any local will know step 3 is routinely achieve and exceeded by many hundreds of percentile points.
In actual fact, assuming you are already down with used tissues being waste, double bagging to piss off greta is the only new bit to the waste routine.
The adverts are so big they are not comprehensible to pedestrians. Only people on buses stand a chance of absorbing the message.
Good money spent badly, committee brian time and production.
Please remember there is a plague on.
Late last year I had to dispose of an old and rather large microwave. When I got to the tip there was a sign saying to use the dumpsters on the other side of the road. Needless to say it’s not the easiest thing to throw into a dumpster, but talented fellow that I am I executed a gold medal worthy clean and jerk to dispose of it
I find it hard to believe that the Clare Turnbull article in the DM has only 2 comments!
Get on there: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9133959/Top-expert-warns-delaying-cancer-treatment-Covid-quite-simply-cost-lives.html#comments
It’s the response from a nation of Soap watchers in their house journal – miles from reality.
Socially distanced erotica.. fabulous.
This is the most useful thing Boris has done in 12 months.
It’s been looking like the question of China’s responsibility for crippling the entire western world was being brushed under the carpet.
I don’t think I’d demur if he said outright that he’s gonna nuke ’em.
They will probably nuke us before Boris the knob even thinks of that.
Chinese will not nuke anybody! They depend on us ( the West) for pretty much all their exports . They would fucking starve in a month without all the plastic shit they export.
Hear, hear, the enemy is a hell of a sight closer to home than Beijing.
… then you’d be proved a f.ing moron!
Whatever China’s role in this – it’s a government shit-hole, pure and simple.
Oh for Christ’s sake – I’m sick of hearing ‘the CCP did it’.
Look, these decisions were not and and are not being taken by Xi Jinping.
What are they supposed to have done – or not done?
The IFR is 0.1% max.
Totally disagree. This is the CCP Virus and that shouldn’t be swept away. The response has exposed Bunter and his stupendously useless band of ministers but the CCP sent the Virus to Europe deliberately.
Evidence?
Why didn’t the western leaders just ignore it then, or treat it as the usual flu, given the IFR?
Just how does one ‘send a virus’ anyway?
We know that thspread of the virus can’t be controlled-
How does that work?
How on Earth is it China’s fault that Western economies were set up to fail?
With all due respect, you’re kidding yourself.
I have just filled in an YouGov survey, it asked for 15 (or less) charities, pressure groups. They would expect the usual large national charities, I filled it in with groups relating to our current situation. Many they would not have heard of.
STUDY: Bill Gates DTP Vaccine Killed 10 Times More African Girls Than The Disease Itself
https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-dtp-vaccine-africa/
And that is his ‘hobby’.
German nationwide database tracking negative effects of masks on kids
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-124394/v1
Interesting research – hopefully will help to ensure that this never happens again.
Wall Sreet Journall claims Google blacklists sites and makes algorithmic changes to favor big businesses
Google favoring big businesses who also happen to be big advertisers
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-google-interferes-with-its-search-algorithms-and-changes-your-results-11573823753?
There’s a surprise!
DavidC
Mask Harms in Kids: 68% of Parents Report Alarming Psychological and Physical Problems In First-of-its-kind Study
Prolonged, forced, strict mask wearing destroys the health of children
Masking of schoolchildren is a medical experiment that should be a parent’s choice and require informed consent
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/mask-harms-kids-68-parents-report-alarming-problems-first-its-kind-study-preprint1
Can we do a study on adults now.
I think the government jumped the shark at Christmas, with its ‘highly infectious mutant variant’. The destruction of Christmas at short notice on the basis of a dubious pretext has created a crisis of trust for the SAGE narrative and people are increasingly non-compliant.
It is compliance, not infections, ministers are chiefly concerned with. That’s why they are growing increasingly shrill and desperate, which only adds to people’s cynicism. Three metre social distancing? Sitting on benches prohibited? A coffee qualifies as a picnic? Hilarious! Pull the other one!
I hope we all remember the Spirit of Lockdown Past and are entering into the Spirit of Lockdown Present. They can’t actually formulate detailed enough rules to produce the results they want, so now we must follow the spirit of the rules, or imagine what the rules would be. It reminds me of Gordie Brown’s attempt to close loopholes in tax avoidance schemes. It was actually proposed, if I recall correctly, that tax advisors should operate on the basis of what HMRC might have ruled had they thought of it. So, people, try to imagine what Bungling Boris and Mattie Han might have ruled if it had occurred to them.
I wish I shared your optimism.
I talk to people. Not the sort of people who would come to this site. I merely report what I hear.
Oops, is talking allowed?
Just to say my body count for the past 10 months of people I personally know who have died of this so called killer virus is still zero. The people I ask the same question to (including my sister) is they have heard of somebody dying, but when pressed they don’t know their names, how old they were and if they had underlying medical conditions. They get a bit shirty when you say so it’s zero the same as me.
Same here. Two cancer deaths – one more terminal cancer almost certainly avoidable but denied early treatment due to Covid (42 years old). Zero Covid. I don’t even know anyone who knows anyone who has died of Covid. Even “with” Covid
The elderly father of an acquaintance died in April “of” Covid, he was 84 and suffering from heart disease and kidney failure.
Same here, I know of no one that has had it. My wife is a pharmacist and at her surgery they have had nobody die of it. However they have had a number of people die of cancer because they couldn’t get treatment and have had a number of suicides. But hey, on the upside at least they didn’t die of COVID!!!! Every life saved!!
My mother died in April aged 78 at home with a serious and persistent heart condition and dementia. Of course we ignored the restrictions and were present. Aside from the cruelty of depriving her of loving hugs in her final months we (my brother and I) had to be interviewed by police because it was ‘unexplained’ … then we had to fight the coroner over cause of death. They relented. Madness
Go on other sites and say that and you will be inundated with comments saying how lucky you are as their neighbour/workmate/relative/man down the pub/butler/vicar and most of thier families have died.
Yep – same here – zero. Know a couple of people who have allegedly had the virus, atlhough often anecdotal rather than proven.
I think the bit about people knowing someone comes from watching the TV. I have heard actors saying that people come up to them (in the street) as though they know them well, because of their role in a TV show. A difficulty in separating reality from fiction.
I’ve repeatedly banged on about the deceptive nature of ‘excess deaths’ – an infinitely flexible ruler to be used when the broader reality doesn’t match preconceptions.
A classic illustration of the problem comes from one of today’s BBC bulletins.
No – I don’t watch these excrescences myself – for the very reasons illustrated here – but a couple of our family brought the item to my notice.
Essentially, it displayed a graph claiming to show that 2020 had the worst case of ‘excess deaths’ since the 1940s – a lie that took even my breath away in its egregious falseness. As anyone who can count knows – there have been seven years of higher mortality even in the last 27 years! Since June, mortality has been lower than half the years in that same period.
We are now getting to the stage when BBC correspondents could have been trained in Goebbel’s office.
As to the control of the BBC – unfortunately it isn’t as some partisan fanatics would have us believe – driven entirely by ‘the left’ and ‘communists’.
The current Director General – a Goldman Sachs banker – has donated £400,000 to the Tory Party to prove his lack of bias (or left wing credentials)
Ed Conway’s analysis on the data, plus pretty charts for the lockdown forever types who don’t get numbers:
COVID-19: How mortality rates in 2020 compare with past decades and centuries | UK News | Sky News
As to Goldman Sachs, not uncommon for its senior partners to contribute to both sides of the political debate, whether as individuals, or through PACs and super PACs in the US. Goldman always comes out on top, whatever, because as the former CEO said in 2009 ‘we do God’s work’.
As i understand it exces deaths are measured against the average of the previous 5 years and so if you go back more than 5 years the excess deaths will be measured against a very different 5 year average. For the last 5 years UK death rates have been a bit low given our ageing population and so when a problem hits, QED the excess deaths look bad because you are comparing them to 5 low years.
Even so of the 15% excess deaths they quote in 2020. 11.6% were from April/May when we know what happened. Apart from that, excess deaths for the other 10 months are 3.4%, which if you then allow for our ageing population comes down to about nothing much.
Given our ageing and frail population the total deaths for 2020 look quite acceptable and nothing to get exited about, keep calm and carry on but just about nobody is doing that at the moment.
Also in a few weeks we will have the total live birth figures for 2020, the prediction is that this figure will exceed the total death figure, funny old pandemic when the population increases.
The population was c. 44M in 1940.
“The current Director General – a Goldman Sachs banker – has donated £400,000 to the Tory Party to prove his lack of bias (or left wing credentials)
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Still living your delusion that the “Conservative” Party – a party that literally fetishises the NHS, continues to radically transform the nation with mass immigration and pc suppression of dissent, believes in unlimited state spending “funded” by the magic money tree (in other words, deferred taxation), and expects its police forces to literally kowtow to radical leftist mobs – is in some way “not left wing”, I see.
When you release your dogged grip on your Thatcher obsession and move beyond the early 1980s, you will perhaps come to understand that the establishment is left wing, corrupt and corporatist. And the establishment is the problem, not just the “Conservative” Party or just the Labour Party.
It’s the Invasion of the Fucking Body Snatchers out there! (That’s the sequel – similar plot to the original film, just slightly racier).
Shops are closed that were open a couple of months ago (albeit queuing outside). More people masked on the streets. Far from everyone, thank goodness. Even so.
I approached one unmasked gentleman in a matey, fellow-Brits-abroad kind of way, and he literally flinched and turned away. I hope he runs out of soap in the shower. No, I really do.
This is interesting. Care Home outbreaks in Northern Ireland. In the Spring there was a mix between CV-19 and other respiratory virus outbreaks. As we got to November the mix disappeared and now its just all covid.
Is this a lack of testing for anything else? That’s the simplest answer. Everything that even smells like Covid is Covid. God knows what this means for this most vulnerable group and management of their care, especially those requiring hospital for anything at all.
This whole panic right now about capacity is so awash with PCR noise and self fulfilling bottlenecks its hard to make any real assessment of claims coming from NHS chiefs. Politicians remain not only silent, but scared to spea up I would guess due to the cancel culture being ramped up against sceptics of any flavour.
In the past it was assumed to be flu leading to pneumonia, now they test for Covid so it’s that instead basically.
Asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 may be rare, new research finds
Symptomatic cases were far more likely to transmit the virus than asymptomatic ones, the authors found.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/new-research-further-suggests-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19-may-be-rare
Well well well. And are we now officially allowed to say that the sun rises in the east?
Its in a proper medical journal which is a help. JAMA is US equivalent of BMJ.
I’m debating this one with my wife at the moment – also in JAMA:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2769235/
It reckons that viral load is broadly the same for symptomatic and asymptomatic people. I call bollocks. It is of course, based on PCR ran at up to 40 CT.
So I wonder where Matt gets his 30% from?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/aXI2_su6avc/
Mark Windows, Spreaker, March, 2018. Speaking about walking around Camden Town on a Saturday night (minute 11) and being asked for I.D. before he could enter Wetherspoon’s (sp?).
So, back on client site yesterday for the first time in months and I see actions that are almost institutionalised OCD like rituals.
Sharing a keyboard: Every time I passed the keyboard back my colleague he wiped it down again with another disinfectant wipe. After watching him do this for a third time I challenged him because I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. “What are you playing at, what do you think you are going to catch from my brief moment of handling the keyboard from my already sanitised hands?” I asked. The keyboard was barely dry from the last time I passed it back. He had no answer.
Mask wearing is not mandatory on site but many people appear to be wearing them voluntarily: the under 30s, ironically the least at risk group, seem to be the most avid mask wearers. One individual that I suggested need not wear one on my account gave a nervous giggle in response as though I had suggested some mildly subversive behaviour. Needless to say they didn’t take the mask off.
Passing someone on the stairs meant that the SD rules couldn’t be observed. Yet for the fleeting moment that we would be passing on the stairs on the quarter turn he felt it necessary to turn his back on me and press his face into the wall. There was just no sense of proportion to the situation.
Yet through all this insanity on the plus side there are a number of colleagues who seem to be sceptical yet keep quiet about it until prodded by another sceptic.
Gen Y and Z are humanity’s downfall.
There are some bloody good youngsters who post on here. Poppy for one also DRW I think is a student. Apologies for any missed but most of the people of my generation, mid forties, are rampant bedwetters.
Thanks for the shout out! My bf and my closest friends are also big lockdown sceptics and very angry at the way our generation has been thrown under the bus throughout this.
I am so glad I never need to go back to the office, ever again. Unless it turns out that the only people who want to go back are sceptics, in which case we’re cooking on gas
The under 30s have their faces buried in their phones at a higher proportion. Just think of all the hideous brainwashing that has gone on since the TV has been mass produced. Now picture a generation carrying a TV in their pocket, to be watched (and brainwashed by) any time they have a spare moment.
I deliberately let a woman (50s) who was glued to looking down at her phone, walk into me. FUN!
and she was muzzled.
Where do you work? A loonatic asylum?
I thought I would report back from a trip to Sainsburys. As expected it was thoroughly depressing and joyless.
No queue to get in, just a hold up as people used the hand sanitiser. The 2 young girls in front of me were stopped and asked if they were shopping together. No, they were going to collect their click and collect order. Only one was allowed in – and this was despite there being no queue and the shop being so deathly quiet.
The ‘fat controller’ asked if I had a mask or if I was exempt, so I said exempt, and slightly lifted the sunflower ribbon round my neck. No further challenges the entire time I was in the shop.
The most annoying thing was the constant announcements.
‘Thank you for shopping alone’
‘Donwload the app to make shopping quicker’
‘Please be tolerant of those who cannot wear a face mask or social distance’.
The latter one really annoyed me, as it is said in a way that manages to conflate the two issues.
I only went because Sainsburys sells certain products that I cant get locally. Even then, they were out of several of them.
You see, winning is going to be all about how to get the things you need without giving certain people your business (and while you can’t get them, maybe you should go without?) and without having permission from government.
Let My People Go; How Organising In A Legally Cultural Separate Enclave Destroys Pharaoh
That is when you jump the queue
Matt’s a prat.
He’s a psychoprat.
Now that the data is in, can anyone cleverer than me crunch the numbers to show the excess deaths, in the UK, from September 2019- the end of 2020, please?
Is there really such a thing as excess deaths?
It’s a statistical construct, in order to find anything unusual – like lockdowns – which might be impacting a population.
Trouble is they have a virus and a lockdown which impacted the population at the same time!
Agreed.
Will they count 2020 in the five year average?
Likewise. In particular, if it is possible to separate lockdown caused deaths with Covid, ie died at home from heart etc. Gov estimate was about 200,000 deaths possible from lockdown etc. Don’t believe much of the Covid stats since so many family stories of misstated deaths cause.
I can here the morons now:
“All deaths are excess deaths, you heartless swine”
From today’s ONS figures which is the final week for 2020,
For England and Wales for 2020 there were 75,031 more deaths than the average for the previous 5 years.
That is 14% above the 5 year average
10.6% of that excess was from the April/May period
The remaining 3.4% is for the other 10 months. If you adjust this to account for our ageing population it comes down to about nothing very much.
As for the figures for Scotland & N.I and as for Sept to Dec 2019 that is beyond my pay grade and I cannot help you!.
Thank you for the help.
BBC News | UK | Funeral waiting lists rise
Grieving relatives are having to wait up to three times longer to lay their loved ones to rest because of a surge in demand for the services of funeral companies.
Don’t panic – January 2000
I can assure you Funeral Directors saw a spike in Apr-Jun (up 60% or so).
Been bang average since.
Yes, there was unquestionably a huge spike in deaths in April and the first part of May.
that was due to the deliberate infection of care homes
It wasn’t that; it was incontinent panic and lack of forethought.
Lots of news to make you hide under your beds today, eh folks? Just checking in again to ask, how is your appointed-to-be-dissident, and yet Covid-19-pandemic-affirming alternative media doing leading you out of the economic blockade? Still no progress?
Let My People Go; How Organising In A Legally Cultural Separate Enclave Destroys Pharaoh
Not hiding under my bed – how about you?
Who is the “appointed to be dissident”? I don’t recall appointing anyone, and anyway you’ll need to be a lot less subtle if you want to have a pop, as I am a bit thick so I can see you’re trying to have a pop but your point is somewhat vague
Scare. Suffocate. Starve.
Yeltsin’s new mantra.
I just had this scenario run through my head. I am having a walk in my local (of course) park and run into a friend, “sorry I can’t talk to you because Wancock and the plod say I can’t stand still and it is dangerous for us to talk, bye”!. Will there truly be any people who abide by these idiotic diktats?. If anyone does or if anyone believes this then they should be taken out and shot at dawn!. Maybe harsh but that is how I feel right now.
Goodness what an utter tool the PM is
The CCP are wicked and I have no truck with them, and they have played us for fools with their theatrical lockdown followed by quietly brushing covid under the carpet
But this rubbish about grinding up pangolins is preposterous and irrelevant
No-one forced him to overreact, and as they stated on live TV, they knew that keeping calm and carrying on was the right approach, before the u-turn
Bait and switch. A recognition that blaming your own people day in day out, week in week out and month in month out is probably not smart? That said the CCP allowed international flights but not domestic. Hard to understand although perhaps there is a charitable explanation for a famously uncharitable regime
I find the severe distress exemption is the best excuse – after all living in HMP Britain is bad enough without having to be humiliated by having to wear a muzzle. I don’t hear this often but I find the idea of wearing a face nappy is utterly humiliating and emusculating, then again that’s the point. So if anyone asks I can say it’s severely distressing for me having to abase myself by wearing a mask
Imagine if someone told you to stand in front of a picture of Himmler or the like and give the Nazi salute. Well that’s how I feel about mask wearing. Severe distress.
Masks are, solely, Gessler’s hats. Like the Hitler salute was one.
Which is why they are so divisive and vigorously enforced (in Germany, for sure).
They are even questioning the validity of the medical certificates you need and prosecute the doctors who issued one.
Which is of course also pretty explicit proof that they are not about health, but about obedience.
This is obvious and illegal, but they are getting away with it and are even cheered on by Fritz Public.
Just read today that bloody Soeder insists on FFP in shops and on OPNV.
More state sponsored profits for manufacturers. Does Soeder have a relative in the business?
Deutsche Bank and others now cutting ties with the Trump family and linked organisations.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/12/deutsche-bank-severs-ties-with-donald-trump
Welcome to China.
Having Morrisons and Sainsburys reannounce the same old policy is all UK Government has.
Weakness.
Let My People Go; How Organising In A Legally Cultural Separate Enclave Destroys Pharaoh
Dear supermarket CEOs,
You are being used!
Yours faithfully,
Ceriain
PS. What are you going to do when your policy to force people to wear a mask seriously injures or, worse, kills someone who isn’t wearing a mask?
This. I’m about to go to Tesco to get some food for my kids and just seen that they’ve brought it in. If I’m challenged I am going to ask to speak to the manager and get him to personally accept liability to any injury or upset caused to me in the store while wearing as mask – including any time I have to take off work. I’ll let you know how it goes
I don’t remember who it was but someone on LS recounted a few weeks ago how they were made to wear a mask and had warned that wearing one caused severe distress. Wearing it, he/she then ‘fell, in distress’ into one of the supermarket’s display stacks. Brilliant!
DavidC
Bruce Reynolds; Lockdown Legend.
Thanks Ceriain.
DavidC
oh to have that on CCTV!
plenty of resource letters here
https://freedomtaker.com/
Since March the Junta propaganda has targeted various groups in order to blame them for the killer death.
Old people, young people, students, beach goers, school children have all been singled out at some point or another. They are now running out of people to blame
Therefore we are grateful to Mrs Dick for her recent scientific discovery. It would appear that it was ‘basement gamblers’ wot dun it all along
How someone playing cards in a basement in Brixton caused the the death of 96 year old Mrs Miggins in a care home in Harrogate is not expanded upon. I’m sure the science is there to prove this theory, they are just not sharing it at the moment
This breakthrough has huge implication for policy going forward. It follows that if the miscreants had attended the basement but not played cards then Mrs Miggins would have survived.
Equally if the cards had been dealt above ground then again Mr Miggins would have survived
These basement card playing bastards have blood on their hands
I expect the following groups to be targeted in the following weeks
Llama Painters
Throb Validators
Cabbage Censors
Tarmac Chewers
Plunge Technicians
Crumble Activists
Yellow Line Lickers
Squirt Arrestors
Remember where you heard it first
I’m off to the pub
Don’t forget people who sing in the bath. Singing is fatal and can kill. That’s why choirs are and singing in church is banned.
Kill what, soap bubbles?
Kill what, soap bubbles? The Rubber Ducky?
“Squirt Arrestors”
I’ll certainly admit that it’s the first time I’ve heard of that profession.
They should blame themselves.
from sky news
watched this by chance. No explanation as to why since c 2010 there has been a reversal of the mortality rate.
We might be at the peak point for baby boomers who are now elderly and, naturally, dying.
Fallout from financial crisis + austerity.
Economic fallout from the financial crisis. Decline in standards of care for the elderly?
That looks reasonably accurate. The graph of Swedish mortality mimics the UK quite closely, and is at a better scale. Again – shows the historical inconsequence of 2020:
The Sky News article itself is an abomination. Apparently we can’t compare 2020 to 2003 because medical advances mean that the death-rate is lower, that is despite the rate creeping up since 2010 and that a lower death-rate is unsustainable as people will eventually die, even if older when they do.
people only see the article once, we can pass round their graphic forever!
Apropos of nothing, I used to post as “Liam” in case anyone was wondering where I’d gone!
Another classic Psyop has been deployed against the population: Johnson ‘spotted’ on his 7-mile bike ride. Huffle puffle indignation by the tabloids and of course, social media, followed.
The reaction In the general populace will be, in varying degrees, confusion, anger, then a flouting of the ‘rules’ by sections of the very fed-up public. The road traffic down my way has increased, loads more people ‘exercising’, since Bikegate. All perfectly designed to happen that way. Why, you say? read on.
Witness what happened after Cummings was ‘spotted’ up in Barnard Castle last year and the furore that caused….it even made mainstream teatime news….anything which ends up on there is a psyop against us.
Almost the next day, the roads were very noticeably full of traffic, people walking about and the beaches down here were healthily used by a public who felt very let down and pissed off – an understandable reaction – whether or not you were in favour of lockdown. And the sun was shining.
Still, we got the usual exhortations by the Dear Fat Leader et al, to ‘follow the rules’. Johnson’s refusal at the time to sack Cummings was also a psyop, designed to infuriate the chattering classes. Confusing, stress-inducing, anger making eh?
That ‘outing’ and this one were well planned. A perfect photo of the Dear Leader on his bike. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Not 4 miles, or 5 miles, or 6, but (drum roll) 7 miles.
Since Barnardgate and up to the Bike Ride, there have been many (admittedly minor) floutings by those in the public eye and the media jump on them, like fleas feasting on a dog.
Alex Thompson, ex MI5, as reported on UK Column, has stated that they are using Psychological Warfare on us. This is the Third World War. Of Fear. See link below.
The techniques as deployed by the intelligence services and other deep-state bodies, are used to cause fear, confusion, demoralisation, leading to mental paralysis. This is the classic breaking-down of the human psyche and It is devastating. Just think of all the ‘interrogation’ scenes between the hapless suspect and the official in those cop/spy/thriller movies we’ve lapped up and you’ll get the picture.
And observe the many fearful mask-wearers you see on the streets, and how many have complied to ‘rules’ that make no sense to them. They are blinded by fear, paralysed by clouded, muddled-thinking – the rabbit caught in the headlights, frozen, waiting to be bulldozed by the big vehicle of Authority. They are depressingly everywhere.
The government has used the tool of Fear from the start to cower the people. It then deliberately gives loads of conflicting ‘advice’, ‘daft’ rules etc, which don’t make any sense to the thinking person, confuses them and demoralises further. This causes the (un-awake) to question the ‘sanity’ of the govt, resulting in the media and us calling them ‘batty Boris’, ‘dim witted’ Hancock (with the endless permutations of his surname) ‘witless Whitty’, ‘unbalanced Vallance’, etc etc etc. Its everywhere on alternative media forums.
Too, the leakage of ‘official’ graphs which don’t make sense and cannot stand up to proper scrutiny, confounds even further. The ignoring of thousands of professional opinions outside of govt, and the (proven) bogus stats, makes our hair turn grey. Classic Psyop.
These Suits know exactly what they’re doing. They are following a script, given to them by the real Power behind the scenes. It aint the government. Follow the Money. Follow the Agenda.
The media – completely under control by the cabal, leak ‘transgressions’ by those in the public eye, to further enrage and more importantly, to cause a relaxing of the rules amongst us, a ‘fuck-it’ attitude, which will ensue ‘a major incident’, like the one reported as such in the UK last year after Cummings did his runner, showing the (widely circulated) scenes of many people on a certain beach, and this was the perfect excuse for govt to carry on the bullshit rules, blaming us for ‘spreading the virus’. Naughty people. They were always going to punish us for Christmas, too. They are desperate to keep this charade going.
In the long run, fear, anger, confusion, muddled thinking, blame, shame, helplessness, stress, victimhood etc, are the perfect Psyop tools to lower our Immune Systems. Its genius. Plenty of sick people they can pin ‘covid’ on to keep the shitshow alive.
They’ve done brilliant job on us.
Good article by Dr Bruce Scott, a good intro read if you’re interested in psychological techniques.
Psychological Attack on the UK | UK Column
10 out of 10 synopsis.
I was so depressed this morning, but I feel a lot better for getting that lot out!
Most welcome. It finally hit me today just what they’ve done to us. I’m optimistic though, that they will shoot all their arrows pretty soon and then we’ll see that the good ‘ol Emperor is stark bollock naked. Yay!
Agenda 21, Agenda 2030.
Again on the subject of ‘excess deaths’, this has to be at least partly responsible for the overall increase this year:
A total of 40,114 excess deaths in homes in England and Wales were registered between March 7 2020 and January 1 2021, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
Of this number, just 3,881 – or 10 per cent – were deaths directly involving Covid-19.
People who were forcibly separated from their loved ones just gave up.
So as we suspected lockdowns kill far more than they cure.
Remember, “we will work with the Labour party to address the crisis in the cost of social care of the elderly in this country”
So they toss the sick and infirm out of hospital into care homes and kill 30,000 with the blessing of the opposition and condemn another 40,000 to sit at home and die, again with the complete agreement of the opposition party.
That’s one way of doing it I suppose.
How to counter a family member who comes out with anecdotal tales of just this week, the baby of a friend dying of Covid, along with (not connected) a seemingly healthy 30 year old too. My initial response of course is that a baby sadly died, and that given they are now checking all new borns meaning that many will be listed as positive, that is not a covid death but just a tragic death. But this is the problem. We tell them facts. They counter with horrible anecdotes. How can you defeat that?
Its akin to telling someone you are going for a drive and they come back with, “the man down the road had a sister who died in a car crash. Do you want to see pictures. Do you?”
Reply that yes it’s terrible and another reason why the lockdown should go on for at least another ten years
Use their own fear against them
Forget any babies being born in lifelong lockdown.
I’m doing this but you have to be careful how you word it, because most people seem to assume that what you mean is covid is a really deadly dangerous disease, and therefore permanent lockdown is fully justified. I usually say something like ‘they are locking down because the NHS is struggling to cope. Wouldn’t it be better to improve the NHS instead of locking us all down, which in the long run will damage the NHS anyway?’
If someone thinks that govts should determine public health policy on the basis of anecdotes they are idiotic
True. However heart rending individual stories are, one cannot determine public health policy on that basis.
Suggest that it’s best not to think about it. Say you try not to think about all the other deaths that happen every day because you’d never get through the day otherwise.
And leave them with something like “Imagine if they reported every death 24/7 like they are with this virus, you’d go mad”
Yes, it’s called ‘hysteria’.
Yes, tell them we can’t have any more children as they’ll pass the virus down through the generations and kill all the old people……
Waitrose in a large market town at 3.30pm today. nearly EMPTY.
Of people and goods, actually.
Not challenged, only person showing face.
Nearly panic attack on entering as there was something hanging around in the air. Luckily subsided after a minute. (I have a sensitivity to sanitizer since April).
Observations from my own foray to Morrisons in Risca (South Wales) from which I have just returned.
As Drakeford has been spouting the same as Hancock about tightening up supermarkets, stopping them selling non essentials etc I approached with a heavy heart.
No queue at the door, nor security man (only one who was on the exit. No new signs or anything to suggest any difference to my last visit.
All produce aisle appeared fully stocked (so no Brexit delivery issues either). Apart from myself sporting lanyard (which I wear because it is pointless not wearing a mask to reduce stress then risk the stress of an argument in store), two other women wondered around unmasked without lanyards. Nobody seemed bothered. Contrary to Drakeford’s foot stamping, there was no closing of aisles, one way systems etc. It was all very tranquill
At the checkout, I did ask if it was unusually quiet today, as there were not that many in store and wondered if it was the result of the paranoia being spread by the media. A supervisor who was wiping down overheard the conversation and replied that it is usually quiet on Tuesdays. She also had no mask on, and was quite happy to offer an explanation that the company were merely trying to cut down on the number of tradesmen and such like that walked in during lunch hours without complying with the law.
She also offered an observation. Those that are wearing masks are the ones who have had covid. Those who aren’t wearing them seem to be staying healthy. She drew no conclusion, just stated her own opinion. It is the first time I have actually enjoyed a checkout conversation in many years.
BTW, as the girl who served me joined in the conversation about the effectiveness of face masks against particals the size of the Coronovirus (none at all), I used the analogy that it was like trying to catch water with a sieve). That hit the mark with her. She will be remembering that one. Score 1 for the good guys.
The good news:
We will get back to a wholesome society where we can live fulfilled human, social lives. I am sure.
The bad news:
The road back to that probably leads through societal and economic collapse, poverty and quite possibly a great deal of violence.
Indeed, lots of people will become very poor and have to sell their possessions – they just don’t know it is going to happen to them.
The people with money will be able to snap up bargains
Sounds like Russia around 1990.
Ginger Graviola & Nettle Tea for prostate cancer.
Yesterday early in the morning, whilst musing on what kind of Zombie our illustrious Health Minister is, my mind went into fast rewind to the 1970’s and a Government campaign to promote the use of car seat belts. My mother had been a “Motorist” since the 1930’s, no not a rich kid rather someone who got hold of an “Old Banger” and drove it into the ground. (During WW2 she was a volunteer ambulance driver in London!) Anyway she was anti Belt Up and considered the media Celeb’ Ringmaster, a certain Jimmy Savile, as pretty slimy individual – what Déjà vu ! Anyone remember the “Clunk Click Every Trip” campaign?
Fast forward to the present, and what pick would Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile OBE KCSG have made to head the ‘Hands. Face. Space’ public information campaign. Oh WOW, what a meal he would have made of it, and the ‘Clap for Heroes’, can you even imagine the dancing with Nurses, the Clap With ME as a phone app…. Sorry must sign off, feeling as to vomit.
PS: Sir Jimmy has a better write up on Wikipedia than a certain Vernon Coleman. Oh God, I need the toilet………………………………….
The Isles Report put paid to any illusions about the safety of seat belts overall (decrease in motorists injuries but more significant increase in pedestrian/cyclist injuries). The report was suppressed.
I have seen some horrific injuries in drivers and passengers not wearing seat belts. The sort of injuries that cause you to need ventilation in ITU, steering wheels are quite difficult to get out of chest walls. It isn’t similar to this situation at all, sorry.
Fair comment. AEFIs are also pretty difficult to remove from the immune system.
This was a question on QI.
Stephn Fry. How many lives have seat belts saved?
Jeremy Clarkson. Oh millions I expect.
Stephen Fry. No none according to the risk compensation theory.
I am now hoping I didn’t dream that.
You didn’t, the single measure that will make the roads safer for all is a 6″ steel spike in the middle of the steering wheel pointed straight at the drivers chest.
No f*****g accidents then!
Cheers Nessimmersion. I do believe it may have been Lawrence of Arabia who advocated that.
He was a keen motorcyclist.
In Spiegelhalter’s book on risk “The Norm Chronicles”.
That reminds me of a job interview I had once with some road safety body (can’t remember which). They asked me what I thought could be done to car design to reduce accidents. I didn’t really want the job, so said ‘six inch steel spike in the steering wheel’. The interviewer laughed, and said he agreed, but that the public would never accept it because they would not understand the concept.
It’s a relative question. John Adams is the man who researches this. Seatbelts reduce deaths inside the car, that can be demonstrated and tested. What they don’t do is reduce road deaths as these include other vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists etc. So seatbelts make you feel safer and hence take more risks. So others are now more at risk.
What’s more is that seatbelts keep the death rate artificially high, so they cause MORE deaths than the trends before introduction would indicate.
The latest campaign is Punk Prick Every Drip. You know it makes sense..
Also another point of interest, there is legislation for all these things put in by successive governments. But none of them mandate something until long after it’s invention and use.
I just wrote a piece on the invention of the airbag, seeing as we’ve had it’s 40th anniversary. It was many years later we have the government waking up to an idea that people were wanting to buy for their cars and mandating it.
Seems typical of all legislation and since writing it I have been racking my brain to think of anything government has actually done. Something that hasn’t already started to be adopted or isn’t correcting something a previous government incarnation messed up in the first place without actually solving the problem they claimed to.
I think I may have posted this yesterday – not sure. Anyway, I believe it stands repeating. I was reading the govt website (I know, I’m a sad person) about muzzle-wearing, and noticed this about the police. It’s been increasingly sinister and puzzling why they have to hide their faces in the open air…. They DON’T have to, according to this. So is it now police policy to do so, contrary to govt advice?
In settings where face coverings are required in England there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering…..
blah blah
Yet when I was at Trafalgar Sq in September a cop car pulled up with four on board and none of them were wearing masks. I asked them to smile whilst I took a photo. They didn’t.
Suffice to say that the TSG thugs who were brutalising were all masked up.
I was there too. The intention was presumably to spread discomfort and avoid recognition. Or perhaps they knew they were going to a masked balls up..
They like the Lecter look because they want us to be scared.. very,very scared, pathetic bunch of psyched up morons. But, of course, they have to do this because we are bad.. very, very bad. Bad and dangerous. Dangerously bad and infectious, in fact. FFS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN29X2HCKpU
Seinfeld – Babu Bad Man Montage
It is political
Mattie Chan more or less commanded all NHS staff to wear facemasks. Guess it’s a similar thing with the police. Government by memo.
PS Just wondering – what would their reply be if requested (politely) to remove their muzzle when they’re speaking….
Should I try it if ever I am stopped by the rozzers?
PPS (A while ago, I worked for the police in their complaints and discipline department -one of the most numerous reasons for complaint was ”incivility” or ”discourtesy”. I wonder what it is now. Or if the department still exists.)
You could just say ‘I’m sorry I can’t hear what you’re saying with that thing on. Would you please remove it?’ If they refuse, say it is discrimination against a disabled person.
They wear FN’s to intimidate us into complying with corona bollocks, to ramp up the fear.
That’s why
Face Nappy Fascists
Or they have gone too far and the abysses who pockmark Twitterland are not too scared to come out.
Covidian Worship
Can I borrow your sunglasses, V?”
Classic fight scene.
So, we have 2 reports today informing us that it looks like daily press conferences are back, and that the Government/NHS are in talks with Care Homes to take discharged Covid postive patients.
We’re also back to “Stay at home, Protect the NHS, Save lives”.
It’s fucking deja all over again.
Love it!
@WhittyShades
”
The door slowly opened and they stepped nervously into a large room filled with mysterious masked strangers.
“What is this place?” she asked.
“Morrisons,” he replied.
“
“Lockdown rules need to be tougher, according to Prof Susan Michie, a former Labour Party donor and an independent adviser to the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage).” Of course they do.
When wrong, double down.
Science and politics since 3.2020.
The words ”I’m all right, Jack” apply.
So do the words smug, arrogant, greedy, self-interested, manipulative, coercive and ignorant plonker.
An ”adviser” to an ”advisory group”. Oh, yeah.
Christ, If she were a record I would have chucked it, because it is clearly broken.
Said it earlier today. There is an appetite for picking off one or two of these more vocal Covid fanatics. Even Devi Sridhar said yesterday that Covid won’t be eradicated. No shit!
‘Independent’
And Communist
Communist party member!
What has happened to Calchas? Posting under a new name perhaps/hopefully
This is a work in progress, but I have been working on a leaflet to hand to anyone who challenges me for not wearing a mask. What do you think?
I am giving this to you to challenge you because you challenged me for not wearing a mask.
You are wearing one because you think it will:
I would like to say that of the above only (3) may be true. I can provide evidence if you are interested.
But wearing a mask suggests you support the government agenda of masks and lockdowns.
You need to consider the damage lockdowns are doing:
How morally superior do you have to be to ignore all this?
Good. But important to hit them with deaths early, rather than dwelling on the economy at the start. Hit them with the initial estimate of 200,000 lockdown deaths projected by SAGE, or there is an even higher (+500,000) later estimate.
Hit them with deaths. Deaths are the currency du jour.
I wouldn’t even try and engage these sausages in rational discussion tbh
Do you think they’ll bother to read it? If these people are already brainwashed and ignorant they won’t read, let alone believe, anything that attempts to educate them.
Worth a try, though. You never know – one little seed may be planted.
Move the children education deprived to the top
Excellent do keep us posted on how it goes
Good idea, please post the final draft for us to us. In addition to Ovis’s suggestions I would add that it’s probably best to drop the first part about virtual signalling as once insulted they won’t engage with the rest of your message….. I know that sounds wet but it’s better to come across as helpful/friendly ‘did you know’ than full on ‘you’re my enemy’ if you stand any chance of convincing/converting them.
Personally I think the only way is to show that mask wearing is more dangerous than not wearing a mask. Just have a leaflet with pics/stats of long term mask problems. Don’t bother engaging in arguments like ‘I’d rather have all that than kill my nan’, just give it and walk away.
But they are killing my kids nan – that’s what they need to know – they are killing nan’s. Isolation kills.
They wouldn’t take it off your germ ridden hands let alone listen to your heretic opinion.
I knocked up a leaflet that just repeated the WHO advice regarding potential harms due to mask wearing.
Good on ya! But can you use a bit of this perhaps? I think most people think they have to wear one when they don’t!!! “The British government, while ‘mandating’ mask wearing, recognises this is against the spirit of the 1998 Human Rights Act so have allowed those who are distressed at ‘wearing … a face covering’ to exempt themselves. The key words from gov.uk are: “If you have a reason for not wearing a face covering, you don’t need to show any written evidence of this; you don’t need an exemption card … (It) is a personal choice, not required by law.” That is from gov.uk!!!”
Precisely!
DavidC
A sceptical friend who has been prominent in writing articles and doing interviews on the general scientific picture has asked me the following ;
“… where it’s possible to find numbers for weekly Covid deaths in hospital and specifically London hospitals?”
I’ve concentrated on mortality figures – largely because of the inherent inaccuracies in other areas.
But can anyone assist with direct links to pick up on this question that I can pass on ?
Thanks
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Daily and Total Announced docs are what you want.
I checked the NHS data earlier today when I was looking at the ONS data. For the two main and large Cambridgeshire Trusts, since the beginning of January (albeit the latest data is subject to revision), the number of reported deaths to Covid19…eight!
Where are all the deaths?
DavidC
Adapnation.io have a good dashboard
Thanks BeBop and Ceriain
.. and Any and DavidC
Here you go Rick:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Time for Recovery doing a very good job of telling us where the 2020 excess deaths really come from.
12/01/21
Today’s shocking excess death figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that we have not one, but two pandemics in the UK right now.
One is the Covid pandemic, which can be seen clearly in the spike in deaths in hospitals and care homes in Spring 2020, before deaths from this seasonal virus drop dramatically to below average in the Summer and rise again in hospitals with its return in Winter.
The other is the hidden pandemic caused by Covid policies, which has taken place in the home and shows no variation with the seasons. Excess deaths in the home have been consistently above average every week from March onwards, with a small rise during the Spring lockdown.
The death toll shows the figures split almost evenly: around half of the total excess deaths for 2020 occurred in the home and showed little variation from summer to winter.
Recovery has been warning of this tsunami of excess deaths from Covid policies for months. It’s caused a deadly cocktail of fear, mental health problems, and the denial of vital services to patients in urgent need of life-saving care. For example:
Now we can see the combined impact of all this: it’s clear in the figures today and it’s a timebomb – the excess death from fear and restrictions will only grow while current policies continue.
Jon Dobinson, Campaign Director of Recovery, commented,
“The shocking excess death figures released today have seen hysterical calls for even tougher lockdowns. But that would only make these problems worse. As experts have been warning from the outset, these toxic lockdowns merely kick the can down the road – they postpone problems, they don’t fix them. By prolonging the crisis and extending the period over which deaths take place, they are creating a disaster. (continued)
…We’ll see another easing over the summer, but that will be blamed for worse problems in the NHS by the autumn. As Government experts are already warning, vaccination will not end this – new strains and new pressures will see the deadly cycle continue for years unless we find a better way.“Even now, the problems are getting worse. We have to recognise the issue and take urgent action before it spirals even further out of control. The latest NHS data shows even fewer non-Covid patients are now being treated. We’re spending billions on failed policies which have only made the pandemic worse. It’s time for our leaders to acknowledge and address the timebomb of untreated conditions and economic devastation. They are now a terrifying threat to the health and welfare of the UK in themselves. Otherwise, the excess deaths of 2021 and beyond will dwarf even these.”
APPENDIX
ONS data 12 January 2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending1january2021
ONS data 22 December 2020 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending11december2020
https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc1118/fig6/index.html
https://timeforrecovery.org/excessdeathsscandal/
It is truly mind boggling that people don’t seem to understand that when you stop all healthcare for anything other than Covid, our healthcare systems will be overwhelmed for years to come. If they think it’s bad now, just wait. Was ranting to my husband last night that our hospitals are ALWAYS at 100%+ capacity during flu season and often during the rest of the year as well, so how is it that doctors, nurses, etc. are more run off their feet now? It’s like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic — the beds will continue to be full, but in future they’ll be full of people with other problems instead of Covid. Will these people be less distraught when their patients are dying of cancers that have become inoperable because of lack of earlier care? Any normal human being would be more distraught by a young parent dying in this manner and leaving children behind than from the death of an 85-year-old with underlying conditions. But we left normal behind in March 2020.
I liken it to taking a holiday from work. All the work that would have been done while away is still there waiting when you get back.
That’s more research than the government have done on it.
Kevin, a couple of great posts there, thank you.
2020 has definitely ‘run hot’ but, and I keep coming back to this, population adjusted, 2020’s total deaths still ranks the year at number 50 out of the 70 years since 1950, it’s not even in the top two thirds. The only years that have had fewer deaths (again, population adjusted) have been since 2000. The death rate has been falling consistently since the 1950s and only started to tick up a bit since 2013. The baby boomer generation is now getting into middle and old age and starting to die – I’m not saying I’m any smarter than anyone else but I was thinking about this in the 1990s.
DavidC
And literally no zealot I speak to gives a fuck about of this!
Cue eye roll, zone out.
Everywhere I deal with now I see shit customer service, especially online (Amazon excepted, eerily enough) or over the phone.
It seems that everything is breaking down – education, health, policing, media ..
Great Britain is rapidly becoming a failed state.
That’s what happens in revolutions.
I must admit I haven’t noticed much difference (I have always found service very variable) but am tired of hearing pre-recorded excuses about high call volumes and covid
Banks are the worst for this – essentially screwed by their own penny pinching. Having outsourced everything to the 3rd world they’ve now discovered the 3rd world struggles to work from home.
My husband and I have at least one rant a week because of delays “due to Covid-19” messages we hear every time we need to call for any kind of service. FFS, all your call centre employees are working from their living rooms! Why are you still blaming Covid for not answering the phone??? Even delivery services should have suitably ramped up since they’ve had “only” 10 months now to adapt.
Nowadays, to quote safety is to always assume the moral high ground in an argument. Covid has only exaserpated this.
Taken further, the diefication of the NHS is its public apotheosis.
Unprecedented levels of….is used to justify incompetence due to an absence of forward planning.
Whereas the defecation of and by ‘r’NHS is expected .
And we’re supposed to smile as we have their fecal response to this event dubbed in our faces
So unprecedented levels of incompetence then?
Agreed. Plus areas of the country not receiving post, I heard on talk radio. Or maybe I dreamed that. Hard to tell a nightmare from reality. I’m kind of expecting power, mobile and internet outages at some point and the return of supermarket rationing.
No, you’re right about the restricted postal service. Here in Kent our postie has told us he no longer delivers every day, mainly due to staff shortages. Sometimes he has to take post back to the depot as he doesn’t have time to complete his round. Another royal f-up.
The Royal Mail isn’t fit for purpose.
I’ve written to my surgery asking not to send me invitations for any (in italics, underlined and bold) vaccines.
Presumably they’ll eventually send me a covid one nevertheless, but I will have done my polite bit and simply won’t reply. That way I won’t appear as having positively refused the vaccine.
Flu jab.
Bowel cancer screening.
Aorta aneurysm check. (Didn’t know I had one).
I just say no to everything.
Spot on! The only thing I’m not missing about the old normal is the government nudging me to have all kinds of unnecessary screening tests I don’t want. I’m quite happy to give up my spot in line for mammograms and colonoscopies. When I’m sick, I’ll let you know. Except now I wouldn’t get care even if I was sick…unless it’s Covid.
My daughters school has sent the lolly pop workers home now. I guess preventing children from being run over was a luxury for the good times.
Don’t tell the council. They will be building a duplicate school on the opposite side of the road so that children can be kept safe from the harm caused by crossing the road. Of course, having spent £200 million building it, they will not have sufficient teachers to man it, so it will go unused, while the half of the children living on that side of the road sit at home, their education ruined.
At the enquiry into the waste of public money building a school that was never used, the council official first replied that it was To Save the Children’s Education. When pushed further on whether it would have been more beneficially to have spent a fraction of the £200 million cost on a zebra crossing instead, he replied “What! And admit that we had run out of money in our road safety budget!”
Ouch!
It might be that or perhaps the “Stop Children” signs are offensive to woke sentiments.
They will replace those signs with “Stop children!”
Was it because waving those big signs around was spreading Covid?
Amazon have turned off email contact for customer service due to covid. One of the vouchers I got for my nieces got lost in the post. Something that they could easily cancel and refund but having to do it via web chat or telephone is too much effort. However I complained to Royal Mail and got a book of stamps back for the asking so guess parts of them work..
When you see miserable people queuing outdoors in winter rain for necessities, you know our supposed “elites”, Labour and “Conservative”, have dragged us back decades.
Scientifically, they’ve taken us beyond Medieval times back to the Dark Ages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz6IpmmYSXA
Alley Oop – Hollywood Argyles
I noticed this too. One thing in particular is the massive increase in incorrectly sent items I get since the start of all this.
I had a very nice lady from the DWP on the phone today telling me I get backpay of JSA today after she checked my bank details. I had filled in a digit wrong.
She seemed to enjoy her job, especially as she was reporting good news. Apparently they tried to get in touch just after my claim in October, and are now working through the backlog
Waitrose customer service was good today. Unlike the hobgoblins in the actual shop.
The “Covid, Hyper-Medicalisation and Virus Interference” article should have a greater presence on your pages. It is a VERY important observation, one that should be rammed down the throat of Matt Hand & Cock. Perhaps Boris the Puppet could be persuaded that someone like Dr Irina Metzler FRHistS, medical historian would actually make a pretty good Health Secretary.
Why do I feel the need to hang a Crucifix and clove of Garlic round my neck when I turn a page on LS and see the image of Matt Hancock?
Pair of us had a screaming session today, watching Channel 5 on catch up (No licence) and came across the latest NHS/Whitty advert for the first time. Blood pressure nearly normal now after two hours.
Good idea kh – pixellated wtih a shotgun perhaps?
Now now, no need to hog the fun. We can each take turns with a pellet gun. .177 or .22, but no fatal shots until they have been peppered!
Or the traditional black rectangle covering the face.
Because he resembles Bela Lugosi?
peak twitter comment:-
“Cloth masks & distancing not enough.
1. Crack windows (even if live alone)
2. Prop doors (if own a shop)
3. Merv13/Hepa
4. KF94 w cloth mask over it (or kn95; Office Depot has them)
5. Humidify (weigh down aerosols)
Sources in my timeline. This is an airborne virus.”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Do they still believe this to be the plague? If I were so scared I’d be hunting for information to put my mind at rest. And it’s readily available. What is wrong with them?
Surely if you live alone, and you’re terminally petrified, cracking windows to allow the putrid public miasma into your home is the last thing you would want to do?
Airborne and capable of resting suspended in the air. How many seconds?
It’s way too late to be giving flu jabs. My theory is that GPs and nurses have been hiding from diseased patients and not giving the flu jabs out. Now maybe they need the fridge space for the experimental vaccines.
I agree, flu jabs need to be given no later than October to cover the winter period, mine was late this time in November. I have no issues in taking it myself being well over 65 though I have not actually had flu for many years.
Always use local Pharmacy for ours, fast efficient and at a time of our choosing. Then we get a letter from GP moaning that they had ordered a jab and we had wasted it.
Or all the dead wrinklies that have taken it.
They might need the money. They get paind nicely to deliver these and your local GP is a practice run by some management company. It’s a business and they haven’t had their usual income streams.
You’d probably be stuck on the end of a telephone queue listening to distorted music for half an hour.
Cuomo is playing a game as he has his back against the wall – his draconian lockdown measures bankrupted NY, he then wanted money from the US government and they said no.
Obviously people will say no opening because he (Cuomo) has scared them to death. It is easy to fix, just tell the people they have nothing to fear, stop testing and they will support the opening ‘up’.
Note: Cuomo has not suddenly became a LS
The Italian rebellion against restaurant lockdowns this week is going to be interesting. If they tried that here, the snowflakes would just refuse to patronise them, and would start social media hate campaigns against them.
Snowflakes eventually melt. I know, I live near the North Pole: Canada.
Looks like we’re up for another 1000+ ‘reported’ deaths today. England hospital daily numbers showing 747 today.
Must be Tuesday; must be some sort of announcement coming.
1500 die every day in UK on average, pre Covid. So deaths are down!
Maybe catching Covid is a lifesaver for the majority of people? My, my, my.
It would be very efficient to have your last meal (of your choice) served on the train.
Tuesday always the worst. Reichleiter Patel,
the warm empathetic face of government, due to speak tonight. No doubt blame to be apportioned to those not following ‘the rules’ whilst Council leaders lecture about staying local from their lounge in the Maldives.
Penal servitude for non mask wearing incoming
They almost certainly will V.
It will be a choice of the Oxford or the Pfizer buffet.
Delayed again. High figure released just after press conf and many told you so’s. I should write the script.
Scotch eggs perhaps with a picnic coffee of course
1243 but ‘cases’ down again:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
It’s the weekend lag, to be honest I was dreading today, thought they could easily scrounge up close to 2000, so the total announced is better than I expected.
Pandemic Logic 5:
Wherever we look it is evident that places with longer and stricter lockdowns predominantly have worse outcomes.
The conclusion – Lockdowns/restrictions work it’s just that the more severe the restrictions the more people aren’t following them.
Added to your very reasonable conclusion: the more severe the restrictions, the greater the number of unnecessary deaths, that’s an absolute certainty. You only need a semi functioning brain to work that out.
Got this from local pharmacy today: “Dear Mr Vaughan. Thank you for your letter I received today I would like to apologise for the experience you received in B***s I****y. I have spoken with the member of staff involved within the incident and explained that it is individuals personal human rights whether to wear a mask. The colleague is sincerely apologetic for how you were made to feel. I have spoken to all staff members within the B***s in I****y regarding the use of their own masks and how to approach customers who are not wearing them. Again, I apologize for the experience you had and hope future visits are more pleasant for you. Please feel free to contact myself in the future for any concerns you may have. Kind Regards.” Result for all I feel,me, LS & them!!!
Just my little area of the world. Just trying to find out where the current pandemic is:
Hint – there isn’t one. Pity Witless can’t see that.
DavidC
Masks have become a circus sized safety blanket for the bed-wetters (sorry Toby), like a cross to a Catholic, something to be figuratively clung to with religious fervour and crazy-eyed zealousness.
They can protect you from this extinction level event called “Covid-19”, and anyone else not on board is a heretic, metaphorically pissing on your deep rooted value system.
I am out at least 3 times a day, usually: one run and two dog walks.
Over the months, weeks, I’ve tried to quantify mask wearing, from its early stages of adherence in June/July (barely 5% in shops, 0% outside) to 2021 (95+% in shops, and a new daily high today (woo hoo!) of 40% outside, most on their own, and sadly lots of < 10 year olds).
In June/July, I suspect most felt a bit embarrassed by them, or secretly wanted to wear one, but didn’t want the associated stigma of standing out and looking silly (“God, what an idiot!”). The government alleviated their insecurities on July 24th. July 22nd in Asda, about 10% wearing masks. July 26 in Asda, about 70%.
But I don’t think outdoor mask wearing will require a government mandate for it to gain critical mass. The hysteria of January, the BBC, daily press conferences, shaming and 7 months of conditioning has seen to that.
My guess is in 2 weeks I’ll see 50%-60% outdoor mask usage, as now frequently seen on politicians, celebs and sports personalities.
And then, when being outdoors and mask-free puts you in the minority? Who the fuck knows. But in some, twisted way, I’m looking forward to it. I really am! I can’t wait to have a go. Because in shops, I’ve always ignored the rare comments or snide remarks – silence seems to enrage mask zealots even more. But outdoors, no way, absolutely no fucking way! “And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my … lovely dog walk.”
Cheers
Dave
And why are we told to open the windows at home (fresh air) but we mask outside? It’s all nonsense.
stop asking questions!!!
Reminds me of an album title: Stop making sense.
I shall be carrying a small weapon with me disguised as an umbrella to strike out at anyone who has a go.
John Steed model.
I’ve noticed the increase in outdoor mask wearing. I think the government would love to make them compulsory, but has enough low cunning (I don’t say intelligence) to realise there could be enforcement problems. A shop can simply refuse service to the non-masked. Who is going to enforce mask wearing outdoors? I will resist to the point of lethal physical violence if anyone physically attempts to make me wear one.
I would say it’s around 50% outside in Lewes now.
Probably already posted, but new to me
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2021/01/12/exclusive-vaccine-passports-trialled-thousands-britons/
Thousands of Britons who have received their coronavirus vaccine are set to be offered a health passport as part of a government-funded trial taking place this month.
The passport, created by biometrics firm iProov and cybersecurity firm Mvine , will be issued in the form of a free app allowing users to digitally prove if they have received the vaccine.
“The idea is that we are there ready and waiting in the event that we find ourselves interested in a situation where we need to prove something about ourselves,” he said. (Frank Joshi, the owner of MVine)
The plan, it seems, is to trial it in two local authorities until the end of March.
Nah, your wrong that’s just conspiracy mate – this is all incompetence in here nothing planned for years and already operating elsewhere in the world is going to happen here. This is just a big whoops.
Pretty unpleasant like a brick in the face isn’t it, where they are heading us. Parliament would debate and endorse such measures on behalf of constituents without doubt. This has always been about forced tyranny.
Darren Grimes just reporting Bliar is wanting to come bsck to politics. The good news of that is the globalists are dying on their feet if they need him drawing up from the crypt. No our nstion will not accept bliar back. But he may try.
You think that a government that wants to introduce this is competent?
The ability to be wilfully stupid is not evidence of competency!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X78i13q-atk
Will MIghty Mouse make a comeback?
What the point of that if the vaccine will not stop you getting it and therefore will not stop you passing it on. Such bollox. I hope it fails dismally. Hopefully it’s just another buch of nerds who whould be better of going on The Apprentice to publicly mess up trying to sell cup cakes.
It doesn’t matter if it works.They know Covid is not that serious.The whole point of the vaccine is the health passport
Clearly it is not.
You tell me the point then.It doesn’t protect you from getting it.It doesn’t stop you from spreading it.They are not even using it according to the limited trials it has received.Explain what the vaccine is for then
Can you explain please? What is it?
I do not think care home residents and people over 80 are very likely to make much use of this.
So what’s the point?
This was always the plan.I have been banging on about this for months.
Vaccine,health passport then UBI and digital currency is the road map.
This is not incompetence and we need to fight it now.
How long have we got, jP? Everyone who consents vaccinated by autumn? Health passports to coincide with completion of second jabs? UBI to come in when furlough ends, this April time? Digital currency set up in 2022? Just interested in your take.
He’ll consult his crystal ball. The one he borrowed from his mate Ferguson.
Read the leaked Canadian report it’s all panning out.
UBI is here already it’s just called furlough.Central bankers have already met and discussed digital currencies.I think by the end of this year.Depends when the economy crashes
Furlough, taking the universal out of UBI.
UBI is a subsistence income paid to everyone, correct? I agree that furlough will merge into UBI but it will take time to include everybody. Do you actually think economies will be allowed to crash, or is it not possible that a seamless transition will be managed? I’m inclined to think – and this is just guesswork – that those who go along with this will not notice much disruption.
I think it will be very tough for refusers. But just as people have been sitting back watching protestors, ‘hate criminals’ and climate-change deniers get picked off, the same will happen to vaccine-refusers or other non-participants, especially if propaganda is deployed to turn them into pariahs.
Finally, do you think this can be resisted? For example, if there were a significant number of vaccine-refusers, would that be enough to derail the plan?
I think this is the hardest part of the plan and will receive the biggest pushback.That is why the control grid has to be implemented first.As for a timeline who knows.
Economic collapse is guaranteed.You can’t just switch off a massive part of the economy;pay people to sit at home on money you have just printed and not expect something bad to happen.
How the fuck do you know that?
I disagree with you.
Because I have listened carefully to their what they have said.Covid pass was trialled at Heathrow months ago.It is a long-standing aim of the Rockefeller foundation.It is a logical step from track and trace and Q codes.Try researching their lockstep document as well,you may educate yourself.Also UN agenda 21/30.This is all in the public domain.
Also the Chinese social credit system.
I have been gentle with you because of your mental state and have always been polite but if you spoke to me like that in person I wouldn’t use words in reply.
You’re on the money, jP.
But I thought the vaccine doesn’t make you immune and you can still spread the virus so what benefit will others knowing that you had received it be?
Proves it isn’t about a vaccine.
Floria counties without mask mandates have fewer positive PCR tests.
https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1340727406126977026
Is it due to people being healthier in body or mind?
Maybe they just do not get tested?
Plenty of Florida sunshine to stimulate vitamin D production.
A big thank you Toby
“Which brings me to Neil O’Brien’s disapproval of lockdown sceptics. In his article, he smears me and the contributors to the sceptical website I run as cranks and conspiracy theorists, lumping us together with Covid-deniers and anti-vaxxers. He even puts inverted commas around the word “scientists”, as if no respectable scientist could be anything other than four square behind the lockdown policy.
This is plainly ludicrous. There are plenty of mainstream scientists, not to mention psychologists, sociologists, economists, historians, philosophers, statisticians, actuaries, financial analysts and novelists – even some Conservative MPs – who believe the harm caused by the lockdowns outweighs the harms they prevent.
They’re not Covid deniers or anti-vaxxers – just people who are sceptical about prioritising saving people from Covid-19 at the expense of everything else, including other deadly diseases, mental health, children’s education, the economy and our civil liberties. Many of them are contributors to Lockdown Sceptics.
O’Brien is perfectly entitled to think this is a dangerous, irrational point of view, just as most of us think his fanatical support for lockdowns is dangerous and irrational. The difference is that we don’t think he should be kicked off Twitter or no-platformed by the mainstream media. We believe in free speech, which means we think the best way to determine when the current restrictions should be lifted – and weigh up the costs and benefits of the lockdown approach more generally – is through vigorous, open debate.”
https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2021/01/toby-young-obrien-is-wrong-censorship-is-never-the-answer.html
O’Brien is horrible. I really think Toby is so strong to continue with so much aggression against him. So, so grateful to Toby. I think he has likely saved the lives of some people who have found help, hope and support here.
Wasn’t O’ Brien the character in 1984 who tortured Winston??
Yes
I know it’s petit but I really wish Pretty “awful” Patel would go and get some speech therapy to learn how to pronounce words ending in “g”.
I know. It’s annoyin.
It really is!!
Is she related to Beth Rigby?
Eleanor Rigby.
lol
Probably went to the same elocution classes as Tony Bliar.
Sad-dick Khan is the same. Always bangin’ on about somethin’.
Instant biomass. Soylent Green.
This all appears to have a multi agenda. Make more people dependent on the state, pay a subsidence payment along with a social credit system to reduce the benefit scheme. Social Credit depends on behaviour so the push towards reducing the need for increased police courts and prisons. Hence the closing down of pubs etc, gatherings, entertainment. Pay for it with their green policies, road use etc, which will cost those who can, a lot more. Limit the NHS and treatment by shaming policies. Already got people saying its lifestyle that is causing problems for the NHS,, more treatments will have to be paid for. Keep up the fear factor, and vaccinations which is a massive earner and tell the gullible it will keep them healthy. Vax also needed for controls for travel for the sustainable planet fools.
we have a winner
You’re welcome
A dear friend of mine has just lost it with the face mask brigade and has sent me this on guarantee that he remains anonymous. I had no idea about this. Apparently hardly anyone does. I think it demonstrates his desperation over the ignorance surrounding this matter.
“I’m a sixty something man. When I was a four year old boy I was gang raped on a beach in Cyprus where my father was attached with the armed forces. Part of that act involved suffocating me face down with a pillow. From that day on, even as I only began to fathom the details through intense therapy, I cannot wear anything over my face and mouth. Ever. At school I had to turn down parts in plays where we had to wear gas masks. e.g ‘Journey’s End.’ Any activity involving face coverings is out for me because such an action might bring on a reaction akin to anaphylactic shock leading, in extremis, to death. On one occasion when a girlfriend playfully put a pillow over my head in bed one morning she nearly suffered GBH. That relationship ended there and then. So I say to those who want to stigmatise me, or worse, for not wearing a mask: you want me to relive that humiliating pain and endurance which you cannot imagine so that you feel virtuous? Fuck off.’
This poor man. Please do not wear a face mask to placate anyone. I think a fair number of people have experiences like this, it’s in my background too and reading this had made me resolve to not be cajoled into wearing a cover over my face in this heightened pressure we are under. If you can please tell this person he has helped someone, me. Thank you.
I can and will. One of the reasons he wanted me to post it. Best wishes.
A friend of mine in Germany had such a panic attack that she went to A&E after someone on the bus scolded her for not wearing a mouthnosecovering. She also has a childhood trauma.
Of course in A&E they wanted her to wear a mouthnosecovering, making her symptoms even worse!
Probably 99% disabilities which make people exempt are hidden.
Heartbreaking. His story is another illustration of how religiousesque the lockdowns are. Dogmatic religions also completely pretend that abuses don’t exist and will add trauma to trauma to trauma with their charades. Same thing with covid. Childhood abuse victims are completely and utterly ignored. We *know* that the lockdowns open kids up to terrible abuses but we just don’t care. The holy cause of Covid justifies anything.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55631693
Apologies if already posted – only just hopped on now.
This article says 697k excess deaths – that’s not what the stats and graphs show is it? Are they adjusting the population accordingly? or just doing the usual trick of keeping everything out of context?
Also on the BBC front page there’s a headline that says – “Supermarkets ‘lucky if people wear masks’ ” – that’s a crock of crap isn’t it? Anytime I’m waiting for Mr CGL to come out of one, literally everyone is wearing them. Where the hell are they going (that we need to know about!) where no-one is wearing them?
697k overall deaths (all causes including ‘with’ Covid).
Needs to be corrected for current population and age profile.
Its hardly ever in context otherwise nobody would be bothered about it.
Absolutely right about face masks in supermarkets. In my local Sainsburys superstore I haven’t seen anyone else shopping without a mask for well over a month. I wear a lanyard as I don’t want any aggro and wearing a mask makes me hyperventilate.
I have been in shops all over SE England since the summer and have not seen ANYONE unmasked without a lanyard, and only one or two unmasked with a lanyard. On a recent trip to London I did a straw count and concluded about 25% of people were wearing masks outdoors, where they don’t need to. I find it odd therefore as to why they are banging on about mask compliance, when it seems to be as high as it’s going to get.
It’s not odd. They need to blame something for the rise in “cases” and the fact that old people die. Heaven forbid somebody realises that masking is science fiction.
They’ve run out of other ideas.
Who here is familiar with Green Screens?
I would ask them if they have any jobs. You would never be out of work again.
Cases down again just as Steve_W said they would be 45533 .Deaths 1243 but we know that they didn’t all happen yesterday even though MSM will say they did,
you are not permitted to die from heart disease, stroke, cancer, respiratory problems, etc until one of your daily covid tests is positive
Oh dear they will be disappointed.
Aren’t these numbers garbage though? How many died with a respiratory infection?
Probably already mentioned.
BBC (and other TV) tell you to stsy at how – do not kill by leaving your home.
And Yet.
BBC are our filiming Dr Who, oyher TV is being made on location too.
Perhaps you need to rethink how brave these TV scum are to be out neck deep in plague just to make money/bring you an hour of ultra woke shit.
Pehaps one to mention to all those desparate to demand everyones life is stopped dead because they are scared.
There’s a plague on don’t you know.
You’ve a good argument but you dilute it with words like ‘woke’
I too think it is ultra woke shit but agree this is not relevant to the argument
It’s bread and circuses, same reason as they keep football going – this shit is only sustainable by providing vicarious life through a screen, so people forget they don’t have lives of their own any more
Isnt that what bbc dr who fans are saying? The series is nearly dead from what I gather from it’s deliberate use of modern liberalism and history killing storylines. Which other words are bad?
A plague on all their houses!
Brilliant first question from the public ‘why if this new variant is more transmissible is this lockdown more relaxed than the one in March’. This has completely stumped them – Priti completely ignored the question, and the medical expert refused to comment. Obvious conclusion – it’s not more transmissible otherwise there would be a stricter lockdown and/or lockdowns are a useless policy choice. Doh!
Is this one more relaxed? It sure doesn’t feel like it?
First one – no mandated masks in supermarkets!
First one, most people weren’t allowed to go to work.
My son, who’s worked ever since, was furloughed for those curve-flattening three weeks. Then they were allowed back to work if they could be antisocially-distanced, which still applies.
And we would actually be seeing statistically significant excess deaths. They can’t admit that the real problem is shortage of beds because of SD and shortage of staff because of T and T.
Sorry to get boring. But it is important. The concept “statistically significant excess deaths” is a contradiction in terms.
Bullshit scratched on an elastic ruler is never statistically significant.
I’ve noticed that smell, you always get it when the credibility belt on the propaganda machine starts slipping, right pig to adjust they are.
Not sure about that – presumably she was implying that this lockdown should be more strict, not that the new variant isn’t more transmissible.
I think that is the very point that was exposed – the inconsistencies are now piling up, just like the lies.
They seem to have invented the mutant strain to make more people get the jab…
Agree. This is all about the vaccine and the associated paydays.
Whole idea was to increase the fear factor – nothing else. Helps with vaccine compliance.
Boris’s selection of cabinet members has turned out to have been a useless policy choice.
One of the old school journos said a few weeks ago it is the weakest Cabinet in living memory. Few of them have real-world experience. Fewer still have scientific backgrounds, which in the time of a medical/scientific crisis is a major issue. Too many are ‘yes men’ who are only there to make up the numbers. Shameful.
Oh I don’t know. Certain pals have benefitted financially from it.
I think it may well be true. More men seem to be affected by COVID. Very frail elderly would likely not go to icu as they won’t benefit so it would be younger people. But we don’t know the characteristics of the people. I guess there will be a few who were formerly well and fit but it seems most have co morbidities and obesity is a factor too. My critical care anaesthetist friend said most people on icu were obese. Hope that is helpful.
‘Men in their 60s are most likely to be there’. – in ICUs
Even if that is true, then why should the cause be covid.
If men in their 60s are indeed most likely to be there, then probably becaue of cardiovascular events such as a heart attck or stroke.
Of course, if they happen to ‘test positive# while there,then they become ‘covid cases’
Weasel words + statistical smoke and mirrirs.
I’m sure that whichever year you chose that men in their 6s would make up a high proportion of ICU patients.
Just been refused admission to my local Waitrose as ‘no mask’. Spitting feathers.
They told me they could now insist on a ‘medical exemption’ from a doctor, and that the law had changed last night. I suspect this is mostly bullshit, any information ?
Currently on hold with Waitrose Customer Services … Grrrr.
The law didn’t change last night and doctors are not giving out exemption certificates. Sue them.
Thanks folks. As I suspected. Will update after Customer Services.
Customer Services quite animated – law has not changed; we cannot insist on a certificate or lanyard (though it might make things easier); they will ring the store, then ring me back to confirm I am ‘safe’ to return.
Well done! Seems the supermarkets have taken their cue from the government and just bullshitted some new rules to scare a few people – similarly to how the government pretend guidance is the law.
Excellent!
Well done, John.
Legend, thanks for persevering John!
Lockdown is being proven to fail.The government by ramping up the fear and testing anything that moves have made a rod for their own back.Single out the few bare faces in supermarkets;it’s all their fault.
Saying it might make things easier is to throw the blame at you instead of their ignorant goons.
Complain! Make fuss!
(You can see I’m angry, and just waiting for an opportunity).
Absolute Bullshit. Nothing has changed. Apart from them now being asked to police it. The law is the same as it was.
And speaking of ”police” see my comment below (may be lost now!) about the police not being required (allowed?) to wear muzzles.
It’s in the face covering laws – they don’t have to when on duty.
My PC friend said they get into trouble if they don’t wear them.
The pimply pile of shit was on a power trip, as so many of them are.
He/She is 100% in the wrong – All you need is self-exemption. Simple as that. Nothing changed last night.
It was announced on channel 5 news that all the major supermarkets are now policing mask wearing and refusing entry to anyone without written exemption.
We need a test case
I wasn’t refused entry yesterday and you do not require a written exemption.
I was just saying what was reported
Hi
Err, hi.
It’s bullshit and they are bullshitting you. The bastards.
The British government, while ‘mandating’ mask wearing, recognises this is against the spirit of the 1998 Human Rights Act so have allowed those who are distressed at ‘wearing … a face covering’ to exempt themselves. The key words from gov.uk are: “If you have a reason for not wearing a face covering, you don’t need to show any written evidence of this; you don’t need an exemption card … (It) is a personal choice, not required by law.” That is from gov.uk!!!
IMO the government decided that the best tack with this was to give the impression that exemption was allowed but had to be proven. They never actually say this, but it’s always implied in news reports etc that the exempt must have an ‘exemption ticket’ or an ‘exemption certificate’. The idea is to put the burden of proof on the individual (where it should not be).
Write that on a 3×5 and wear it around your neck.
As far as I know it’s just their rules and not law. We went into a Chinese supermarket on Saturday maskless and when they asked where our exemption cards were and of course we don’t have any and I said it’s not law to wear one he said we had to wear them in his shop so we left. Good luck
Nope. Just been looking at website. You can’t get an exemption from a doctor. They don’t do any work with real people any more.
Just look at how you can even make your own muzzle!
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
Off I go to Waitrose again !
Good luck.
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more …
You go, John. We are all with you in spirit.
Very clearly they are in the wrong – the site linked below has excellent advice, if you select “masks” in the drop-down “Posts by category” you will find good explanation.
https://www.laworfiction.com
Been in Morrisons, ASDA, Tesco and Sainsbury’s today delivering in-store – not challenged once, I was wearing my exemption lanyard but it was tucked in a chest pocket as I was carrying boxes at the time.
No change since before the latest announcement.
Law did not change. https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/
Government threatened supermarkets with something therefore their pledge to enthusiastically enforce mask wearing on the Government’s behalf (looks as if police no longer willing to do it).
I had issues with Waitrose in around June last year re mask enforcement- they fail to train their door goons on the guidelines. After a few incidents and involving the manager every time (even got a plant to say sorry) decided to vote with my feet – no longer shop with them or John Lewis after 16 years.
Perhaps the answer is to hoik out your ‘phone and say:
“Could you repeat that for use in court?”
I like the way you assume I have a mobile phone Rick.
The law has not changed at all. I have a written statement from a medical practice saying that following discussion s between the BMA and the Government it was agreed that Doctors should not get involved in mask exemption decisions and that therefore a Doctors letter would not be issued. I carry a copy of this statement with me should I be challenged, which has never happened. As I do have medical reasons I do have these written out and carry this with me in case challenged, to date I have never had to show it.
No update on the government’s website since 4 December, so the same rules apply – you don’t require medical “proof” (and probably unlikely to obtain it – doctors won’t want the additional work).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
Seems they may have been leaned on to produce the first court case perhaps?
Went back – of course a new door guard ! ‘Are you the gentleman who came earlier ?’ Yes. ‘Would you mind waiting while I fetch the manager ?’ OK.
Manager came (a different one to earlier). Hummed and hawed – ‘Legislation will change next week !’. No way was he apologising, kept trying to excuse their earlier refusal – so my parting shot was ‘Cock-up, wasn’t it ?’.
And the fuckers had run out of their 49% milk chocolate, which was my main reason for going !
“Legislation will change next week”? Does he have the Patel chav slag on speed dial?!
Next week isn’t tonight!
The Aldi organic chocolate is very good ……
Drawing attention to something.
Many of us on here talk of people ‘with covid’
How do we know that someone has covid?
We have the discredited PCR.
We have symptoms, which are very unspecific and shared by many ilnesses.
How do we know that anyone ‘has covid’?
Do we have a specific agent, which when introduced into a person causes specific symtoms?
Can we distinguish these symptoms from symptoms caued by other agents?
Does the agent cause these symtoms in such a large majority of cases that it can be convincingly associated with them?
So, what are they counting?
Those with positive PCRS. If you have a positive PCR you are a ‘covid patient’. If you die within 28 days of such a result, then you are a ‘covid death’
I realize that in fighting the corner of lockdown scepticism we may feel we have to accept these things as given, because the societal acceptance of these premises is so overwhelming that otherwise we have no chance.
What has happened to flu deaths?
Just suppose a flu infection for whatever reason is alwasy or mostly accompanied by a positive PCR.
If we only tested for flu viruses we would call it flu.
If we do the PCR we call it ‘covid’
The best definition of covid that I can come up with in practice is: ‘any illness which is accompanied by a positive PCR result.’
That is the working definition in hospitals.
It’s not “societal acceptance”
It’s simply a case of the vast majority not having a clue as to whether it’s shit, shave or breakfast time.
Only the most intelligent 20% – or less – seem to have grasped the bleedin’ obvious.
Sad – and an indictment of the ‘wisdom of crowds’ fallacy.
I recently read Huxley’s ‘The Devils of Loudun’ (the hysteria surrounding demonic possession having obvious parallels with current events) and made a mental note of the following line:
‘Being in a crowd is the best known antidote to independent thought’.
A great line.
Not quite in same league as Huxley, but a phrase on Jethro Tull’s ‘Thick As A Brick’ cover that really struck a chord with me those many years ago when I bought it ‘We are geared to the average rather than the exceptional’.
DavidC
Which links in with Marcus Aurelius’ “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”
Sadly Rick, I have several very intelligent friends who have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker. I think it’s more reflection of a certain type of person who is curious and wants to know more about things, not necessarily taking things at face value and wanting to come up with a reasoned conclusion of their own. That’s a reflection of intelligence but it doesn’t mean that intelligent people necessarily have those traits.
I thought it was the same with Brexit. A lot of emotion and emotive terms and insults applied, on both sides, but it did appear to me the Brexiteers, on the whole, were those looking at data and not ‘I won’t be able to go on holiday to Europe any more’ (more than several people used that argument when I queried their take on Brexit!).
DavidC
“ intelligent friends who have fallen for it”
I guess I’ve got to the stage, David, where I see ‘falling for it’ and ‘intelligence’ as contradictory terms.
Different types of intelligence – clever/brainy, naturally sceptical, emotional intelligence, etc.
Good point John.
DavidC
Sadly you could be right.
DavidC
Yes, and I don’t brown nose any of you when I say that I suspect that the users of this comment section will collectively be significantly above average intelligence.
I was talking about this subject with my partner yesterday. Unlike some of the posters here, I know quite a few people who have had Covid (ie a flu-like illness, often confirmed by a positive test) although none of these people I know have died or been to hospital. What struck me, even during the first lockdown, was the range of symptoms that people were experiencing. It made me think about when viruses or “bugs” have been going round within my circle of acquaintances in the past – as a bellringer, I have witnessed this at first hand over the years. What I have noticed is that whichever “bug” is going round, it seems to yield remarkably similar symptoms in different people. The last cold I had in 2017 was not severe, but everyone seemed to have it three times, ie it receded twice (briefly) and came back.
This just doesn’t seem to have been the case for Covid, in my limited experience.
Koch’s posulates.
Others who have kept uptodate with the endless nonscience will be able to answer if there is now an culture of covid in a lab proven to cause they symptoms.
My last understanding from November time was that genetic sequences were being used inplace of actual isolated virus. This had been the case from the start obviously. It is unclear to me how a genetic sequence relates to all other biological matter and Koch’s postulates can be proven.
Others will know much much more than myself.
Yes – would love to hear others with more knowledge chime in.
I am not saying that there isn’t such an agent. I am not saying that covid doesn’t exist, but these things have to be demonstrated in a scientific manner.
I am sure that covid does exist, but:
How can we ientify it?
so that :
We know how much of it there is, and
Develop treatments and / or vaccines, if deemed necessary.
This is how I have come to understand it:
The PCR in use, which cannot identify infectious material, was designed by Christian Drosten on his tippy-tappy and approved without peer review or any trial whatsoever by WHO on 23 January 2020. The test uses ‘primers’ which are genetic sequences of RNA that he postulated to be representative of SARS-CoV-2 fragments assembled in a laboratory somewhere. The test sample is magically converted to DNA, because PCR doesn’t work with RNA, and is subjected to an amplification process by repeated heating and cooling cycles which theoretically allow the ‘known’ sequences of SARS-CoV-2 to be identified if present. There are at least 2 fundamental problems with the methodology: the primer sequences share a high percentage of similarity with naturally occurring sequences in the human genome, and Drosten set the cycle threshold at 45 by which time you can’t see the wood for the trees in any case. I have been unable to find any peer reviewed research which claims either to have isolated intact/viable SARS-CoV-2 from diagnosed sufferers or to have cultured same in the laboratory. SARS-CoV-2 does not satisfy the Koch postulates which are regarded to be the gold standard for identifying a novel pathogen. Confusion reigns, presumably as intended, and everyone runs around with their hair on fire. It’s a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. You really couldn’t make it up, although it looks very much as if somebody might have.
Thanks very much for that.
was more or less my understanding also.
Many possibilities for things to go wrong in that procedure I think.
Indeed, sample contamination is a major problem as is strict laboratory protocol carried out by experienced technicians. The govt labs may have been up to it, the Lighthouse subcontractors almost certainly aren’t and sample collection security cannot be guaranteed in anything other than a medical environment with properly trained personnel. Not fit for purpose.
I wish I could vote you up more than once for that Hieronimus!
DavidC
Correct. this is not a novel pathogen as defined by the Koch postulates. After looking into this question for many months I have been forced to conclude, in the absence of solid evidence to the contrary, that nobody knows for certain what they are looking for or at.
The important thing for me is to get back to normal human life, so in arguing the sceptic corner I just tend to accept these things – tactically, thinking that if I question too much with others that they will not listen at all.
I agree and proceed on that basis. However I also want to know what is real and what is not when it comes to matters of such disruption. I am open to the idea that we may never actually get to a solid conclusion.
That’s clearly rational.
Koch’s postulates are unfit for this form of analysis.
Fanatical adherence to Koch’s postulates is like saying “a fish does not exist unless you can prove that you can make fish breed outside of water”. At least that’s the ultra basic analogy that works in my mind.
I would need to be far more well read and far more knowledgeable before I’d be arrogant enough to claim that I know more than a world of scientists on this. But if I were challenging them on it, it would be on whether the isolation steps they have taken are representative, foolproof etc. Or whether there are risks, things we need to be mindful of. I certainly wouldn’t be suggesting that something doesn’t exist, simply because a human doesn’t know how to get purified isolate from something so small.
The thesis is:
A virus (Sars-Cov-2) results in certain symptoms.
However:
Most of the time the virus causes no symtoms (asymptomatic)
and
Most of the time these symptoms have another cause – other illnesses.
So, for me the thesis needs to be proven particularly carefully.
I am not saying that the thesis isn’t true. There is , I am pretty sure, a new infectious agent doing the rounds.
There’s just too much propaganda right now – the very opposite of science.
… a bit like the thesis that the moon is made of green cheese.
Good insight thanks. Do you mean the Koch’s are not suited to recognition of a novel virus such as this?
Can you suggest the method that might be superior so I can get looking in that direction.
Yep and I’d say this applies to viruses more generally, not just novel ones.
If a virus multiples inside a cell, and only inside that cell – how do you separate the other organic matter from the virus once it’s multiplied?
If the answer to that is “we don’t know yet” that suggests to me that we’d need to do more research – we don’t have like a virus sieve that helps us do this unfortunately.
So the various methods they’ve used to help identify this one are decent for now, and where there are flaws in the methods it’s best to use multiple approaches and confirm as best we can that they agree with each other in order to build up a cohesive picture.
Koch’s postulates are unfit for this form of analysis.
I’ve not read that anywhere but have read the opposite from epidemiologists/medical scientists, mainly German.
I don’t think that arrogance comes into it, we are all only searching for truth. Which world of scientists are you referring to, there is no unaminity on this? It is incorrect to say that viruses cannot be identified and distinguished from one another. I would be greatly relieved to see the question settled in a credible way, until then we must glean what we can and draw our own conclusions.
Yeah the mention of arrogance was very much a personal thing – I certainly don’t think other people are arrogant for exploring this, in fact the opposite!
What they are looking ‘for’ is a pretext to confiscate our freedoms so that they are held in the gift of the state, to be restored on condition of good behaviour in the shortly to be revealed neo-feudal society.
Isn’t it spooky how close the words ‘nonsense’ and ‘nonscience’ are?
Listening to the various talking head experts in the msm they have said rule books for publishing have been binned as their community has become lightning paced with each new day bringing more into the light that then require themselves to adapt and rethink.
It is hardly possible to expect anyone to keep up with such pace.
But then that has often struck me how much reading scientists in some fields need to do to keep pace.
They don’t have covid generally, they have a positive PCR test for SARS-CoV-2, which may indicate they have a SARS-CoV-2 infection. Covid refers to the infection being severe.
You’d get treated for your head injury and broken leg but would be categorized as a Covid admission.
Our provincial government is claiming that Covid will very soon be killing more people than cancer and heart disease. The only way that could be the case is if they are finding a way to put Covid on a massive number of death certificates. It certainly isn’t because we’ve become healthier this past year and are now looking at zero heart disease and zero cancer.
The term “covid admission” implies that people are entering hospital with covid.
However, hospital admissions actually means inpatients.
Add a bit of nosocomial and a lot of +ve PCR tests.
Voila, instant fudge.
I luckily managed to miss the Central News last night but Mrs Awkward watched it.
She mentioned last night the segment about the new mass vaccnation place and the first woman talking about getting the vaccine, she was a black woman and a member of staff not of the public and Mrs Awkward noticed that the nurse stuck the jab into the back of her arm and was sure that when it was “withdrawn” there was no needle there.
The same segment was on at lunchtime so Mrs Awkward took a lot of notice to see if she was wrong or right and she confirms – there was no needle on the syringe when it was withdrawn from teh victim’s arm.
Just like the BBC footage from last week.
All the highly publicized clips of vax shots seem suspect in one fashion or another.
Any news on William Shakespeare of Warwick ?
It’s been on again but she’s getting the jab in the other arm now.
So you think all the doctors/nurses and all the hundreds of thousands of people who’ve had the vaccine are all in on a conspiracy where the needle gets left in your arm?
Only the staged and televised bits to encourage you to go.
All theatre.
Someone did say that the needles are automatically retracted after use. Would make sense but I’d like a medic to verify that.
Not really, Priti: 1,600 people die in the UK every day; old people die every day, get over it!
You can’t drive down a virus, Priti; virus will do what viruses do. See the flu for more details,
So, no-one should be going to work, to the shops, should be outside at all. That’s what ILL people do, Priti; not perfectly healthy people. Stupid cow!
Re “people should act as if they have the virus.” as someone posted the other day, go to your supermarket and start coughing uncontrollably.
Acting as if you’ve got an illness without any symptoms is a psychological condition known as hypochondria.
There’s a lot of it about at the moment!
I’d also add “the message is clear”… the outcome isn’t…
Patel is a virus.
Certainly not human.
Couple given FPN by South Wales Gestapo for travelling seven miles to visit 94 year old mother in care home. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55634751
I see they have made a complaint, that’s good, I also hope they have duly rejected the Fixed Penalty Notice and sent it back to the address provided on the notice.
It is a strange World that has been imposed on us, you have to study the rules before you go out and make sure you have your justifications prepared in advance. In a way they said too much, if they had just claimed that they had been providing care to a vulnerable individual and said nothing about care homes, in theory that should have been OK.
Most people still assume the Police are on their side and will be helpful and understanding. That is not the case, you now have to plan ahead and be devious and just say the bare minimum do not speak too much, they are no longer helpful they are out to get you, be ready and be prepared.
Few updates:
What happened with your FOI request on police officers with non-UK passports?
They finally admitted that they do keep the right to work info in their HR records but do not split them up into if they serve with the TSG and so on and it woudl break teh £600 rule to go through every record to sort it out.
Sounds dubious to me – simple query ?
Select ‘HR record = non-UK’ and ‘role = TSG’.
Thank you, and thank you for pursuing it.
There’s no doubt that lockdown is a major contributor to failing health nationwide. Restricted opportunity to exercise, to meet friends and in many cases to find gainful employment is hardly going to increase health. Added to that is diabolical house arrest which is likely leading many of us to quietly get as pissed as newts at home, in contrast to the convivial drinks with friends that we had when the pubs were open and we had no fear of catching a bug that is equivalent to the seasonal flu.
The absolute stupid tossers in charge clearly haven’t thought this all through, surprise surprise. Or if they have we’re in worse trouble than we thought.
So far as I am aware there are no legal restrictions on exercise.
There are no “legal restrictions” for many of the guidelines that have been promulgated. Nevertheless the fear has been spread that we might be arrested/fined if we aren’t careful. Check the daily newspapers for police intervention. That is enough to keep many on the straight and narrow of restricted exercise.
Yes, I know.
I agree, but that doesn’t change what I said.
Closing my gym was a legal restriction I have think.
I think there’s been about 1 case of PCR covid per 100,000 people in the gym though so it is a fairly justified measure. The mutant might have pushed that up to 2 per 100,000.
Lockdownista reading this thinks: “Oooh, let’s ban alcohol. Even the LSers are getting with the programme.”
If you are frightened of Coronavirus, you must be bloody terrified of life – I get that.
But I am not terrified of life and I would like to live it before it is over for me – which won’t be long now. Do you get that?
I prefer “Life is a sexually transmitted disease. 100% fatal.”
Just been challenged by a security guard at Sainsbury’s for not wearing a mask. Stated I was exempt. He asked for documentation but I told him there was no law requiring that so he let me pass. Have a feeling this is going to get worse though
Please complain!
You cannot be asked for medical detail by a stranger. And you certainly cannot be stopped from an essential activity. This is going to quickly escalate into something very nasty and the supermarkets are not going to get out of it. The Equality Act 2010 is LAW not guidelines. Complain.
Breaking the Equalities Act is a criminal offence, not a mere civil offence.
Ask if he can afford £14000 in fines and damages.
I keep this on my phone.
The scummy propagandalive (thanks to Basics for that name) has this article, published just 10 minutes ago.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/mystery-person-left-chilling-covid-19612445
Whoever left the signs, well done
And it’s got some attention, so double good
Neither of the slogans on the signs seem to be ‘covid-denying’ to me. ‘Covid-denier’ now just seems to be a catch-all term of abuse for anyone who questions the orthodoxy or who thinks a bit differently. It’s like calling Jews ‘Christ-killers’.
The amount of people on that woman’s twatter page….my god, it’s like a BBC comments page.
Chilling?! Seriously! Ex-Daily Mail reporter at that rag by the looks of it.
The second is a legally correct statement – Magna Carta forbids any temporal authority to close churches. The English churches have only been closed once before (in the 13th century), and that was by order of the Pope, not the King.
Yes well done indeed. Thank you. Keep up the excellent work!
Son getting ready to return to Poland and just found out that he needs a covid test to transit Holland.
I’m looking for him and found this on one of the websites:
“Note: COVID ANTIBODY TEST is NOT for current detection of the virus.”
So why test then?
To tell you whether you have antibodies that would help defend against it.
But governments say a positive means you have it as that is what they are classing as a “case” to continue the farce.
Been explained enough times on here but they are not listening.
Are you mixing up antibody testing with the PCR and LFT tests?
He will need a PCR with a fit to fly certificate. Unless you live near a clinic offering this ( large city) you will need to do via post , to get back in 72h timeframe costs around £200. I have just had to do this for my daughter,
How would they know if you dipped it in tap water rather than stuck it up your nose?
They don’t. She did it properly and it was negative. I have a suspicion that the private ones are not desperately looking for the virus in the way the NHS ones are.
I’m sure you are right; the private ones just want your money – unlike the government which wants your money, your possessions, your body and your soul!
I recommend http://www.rightangled.co
Use HELLO10 for discount. Results within 24hrs of them receiving it.
Travelling clients all been v. Happy with there service. Using CT30 as far as I can establish.
Will pas it on to him.
Wasn’t there a court cases which ruled testing to enter Holland illegal? I think it was for citizens returning though
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I understand that the antibody test should be used after you’ve had the infection.
A LFT would be better for travel.
It goes on:
No, you didn’t!
Curfew coming?
The home secretary says the government is “absolutely working” on getting frontline workers such as police, teachers and supermarket staff vaccinated as soon as possible.
Absolutely working? WTF does that mean?
No, he didn’t; he had a full security detail with him. You’re just making shit up now, Priti!
You mean, like you are doing in hospitals*, in the tens of thousands. (*Small caveat: I do realise that a postive PCR test does not mean an individual has the virus at all).
There is an “N” missing in Dr Diwa(N)kar’s name.
Alex Berenson has posted this re the Pfizer jab and cases in care homes in Canada. Not sure how widespread this is, but could be a developing story..
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1349032774573961217
https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/maimonides-families-demand-second-vaccine-dose-for-elderly-parents/wcm/65e4ffce-51e0-4130-a0a0-1f842bf8ea3c/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
UK better watch what is happening there. There could be legal implication for delaying the doses.Quebec seems to have followed the UK route with delaying the vaccines.
I know there is a dislike on here of wearing exemption lanyards, because people say, rightly, that the burden of proof should not be on the customer to show exemption. However…since anyone can get a lanyard or print off an exemption ticket, I’m hoping that if they clamp down on this in supermarkets, then more people will print off a card simply to avoid wearing a mask. If more and more people do this, the government and shops either has to accept this, or has to introduce medical certification for exemptions, causing yet more burdens on Our Wonderful NHS.
I have a card in my wallet, not a lanyard, but so far I’ve never even been challenged.
I have a lanyard, but I wear it so it is only just visible under my jacket, for those that care to look. I’m certainly not proudly displaying it like a Jim’ll Fix it Badge.
I also have a card (with my Oyster card), and I used it a few times when it all started – because I didn’t feel like talking to people, or because the security person looked particularly thick and nasty.
It’s a thought, but I haven’t seen another shopper at Tesco without a mask for many months now.
Some nurses here are very pissed off that their second doses are being delayed and said they wouldn’t have consented to the first dose had they known that. I’m a no-dose gal myself, but I do understand why these people are rightly angry. But hey, when you grant emergency authorization for a medical intervention that has no safety data it’s pretty easy for the government to then play loose with the facts and not even follow the manufacturers’ recommendations. If you consent to be a human guinea pig then you’ve effectively consented to whatever comes next.
They’re effectively complaining about not being guinea pigged fast enough.
What a laugh. Pissed off at not receiving there snake oil top up.
A society that has gone completely insane cannot shame me.
I would be ashamed of following the edicts of a government led by the biggest narcissistic liar to hold the post of PM.
And, let’s face it, there has been some pretty stiff competition for that role from previous incumbents!
Yes, and one of them’s back. The Blair creature.
A badge of honour to be shamed.
Or being called a Covid denier by a Covid believer.
Yes. In the last few days, we’ve seen a lot of ‘Nanny is very cross because people are not following the rules’ type stuff in the media. But as yet, they are not changing the rules. This suggests to me that they are holding back from stricter controls, partly to test the water, and partly because they are worried that they will push too far. So the safer option is to reiterate what has already been said.
We need some sceptical journalists to call this out – that blaming people not following the rules has been ramped up, is implausible and is an obvious last-gasp attempt to keep the illusion going that lockdowns work
We just need journalists
I’d like to agree with your last point, but sadly I suspect it’s only a ‘last gasp attempt’ to pretend that lockdown can continue with a pretence of compliance, rather than naked coercion. I think it may be the equivalent of cocking a pistol before firing. They’re hoping we’ll comply, but if they don’t, they’re going to shoot.
I can tell you that when they fire that pistol, its game over for them. The public will only need an excuse like that to really let off steam. Its like a parent using shouting to control a child.. never works and shows you have lost control. Bring it on!
I’d like to think that’s right, but I’m afraid you’ve underestimated the power of an authoritarian state, and the powerlessness of its hapless citizens. there simply comes a point where it’s too late to do anything about it, it makes no difference how many of us there are, or how angry we are, they are the ones with the tanks and the guns at the end of the day
Yes, but the tanks and guns are in the hands of human beings who can be swayed. We’re not (yet) ruled by machines, like in The Terminator.
Another active voice in this is Baroness Boothroyd. She has been interviewed by Mark Austin on Sky News twice now – he lets her get the point across. She turned up at Addenbrooks yesterday for her second jab, demanding to see the head of vaccinations. She was asked in yesterday’s interview about Mr Blair’s strategy on one dose, and about her friendship with him. Reply to the effect ‘He is a politician not a virologist. If I want to know about viruses/vaccines I speak to a doctor’.
Ex-Speaker tells PM to ‘crack on’ with vaccinating OAPs | UK News | Sky News
Covid-19 vaccine: Betty Boothroyd says elderly treated like ‘guinea pigs’ as hospital delays second dose (inews.co.uk)
Well, yes, either the second dose should be after 28 days or you can have it later.
If 28 days is not optimum, they way was it specidied. If it is optimum, then it can’t be delayed.
BBC (hidden away under Scottish Business): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-55633686
He essentially means the furlough scheme is paying people for jobs the Government know no longer exist.
Keeping that quiet, aren’t they?
Jobs the government know their actions caused not to exist.
Indeed!
UBI in 2021.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/yNlKhJlSaxM/
Mark Windows, around 3 years ago, minute 37, called The Global Action Plan genocidal.
This is rather surprising, from Deborah Cohen of the BBC :
“Genuine question—can anyone point me to any literature that shows publicly shaming people leads to successful outcomes as a public health intervention?”
Ms Cohen may well be the only decent journalist the BBC has.
Yes she is a proper investigative journalist. Her story about the WHO changing their recommendations on masks due to political pressure rather than medical evidence made it onto Newsnight during the summer last year.
Yes – she has a pretty good record. And knowledge – which sets her apart from the usual groupies.
Ask Susan Michie, she’s the expert MSM and government go to:
s.michie@ucl.ac.uk
She broke the story about the WHO changing its mask policy because of political pressure rather than health reasons, and also did some good reports in the early days of the local lockdowns pointing out that the “cases” increase was just because of more testing.
Nick Triggle has been OK too.
She did a very balanced report when they forced a local lockdown on Nottingham.
No, but publicly shaming people certainly seems to make the zealots feel good, thus improving their morale and support for the government.
I remember an article where an ex hostage negotiator made the same point.
Parler was removed from Apple and Google app sites and now appears to have disappeared completely.
At least for me.
Yes it was shutdown on Sunday night by Amazon who were hosting it in their cloud service. The CEO said he hoped to have it back online within a week.
It will be off longer than that because other servers they were intending to use have also refused to let Parler use them
Parler was removed from Amazon Web Servers that hosted them. They have tried to get alternative hosting but companies that can provide the capacity do not want to provide it to them.
Son has raised a point about the traffic light system at shops.
He has the male red/green colour blindness, knows the light is on but not what colour but knows on traffic lights that red is always at the top and green at the bottom it’s OK for him to drive.
But the red/green lights at shop doors they are side by side so he asked today which is which and us it the same at all shops? How will it work out when challenged if he just walks in on red?
Just say he’s exempt that’s my retort to anything.
He’s EXEMPT. Simples
Well, I suppose he could take a red filter glass to view the lights – the green light would then look black, or at least dark (or conversely take a green filter, of course).
Another small item no-one thinks of.
I am quite sure anyone challenging him will understand his explanation.
I walked in through the exit at my local M&S in the last 2 days, no one coming towards me and no goon on the door, so as the exit is nearer my approach, no problem!
If he gets it wrong, he will be summarily shot. His death will be put down to covid.
I’m only half joking.
RNIB give good guidance on disability discrimination in connection with colour blindness. Or used to. Traffic lights work because they are consistently vertical and in sequence. These shops ought to be installing shaped lights x and arrow, circle and square, whatever is most meaningful as they do their customer testing.
So much peacetime lip service is given by these organisations summed up by the words ‘we are inclusive’. When there’s a plague on all these rich organisation’s strategic thought turn to jibbering jelly.
Yeah he’s exempt if anyone calls to him, it is another stress that separates us from peaceful living.
Yes, there should be redundancy of information, so the green light could be lit up to say Go and the red Stop. But I don’t think they’ve thought it through.
That would be a much more expensive piece of kit!
In some stores, certainly our Tesco, the lights are linked to the automatic doors. If they are red the doors won’t open.
Surely if nobody’s queuing to go in, he should just walk in. If there’s a doorman to challenge him he just explains he’s colourblind and asks the doorman to tell him when it’s green. The doorman could be so embarrassed he’ll let him straight in anyway.
Old man asked me today where my mask was.
Told him none of his business.
He said it’s everyone’s business.
Showed him my lanyard, said “my disability is none of your business. Got a problem with that?”
he looked down and walked off silent.
Fuck ’em.
I had a look at the ONS figures and right enough compared to other years it isn’t that much different except for:
1) The original “Covid” spike
2) A more sustained rate of deaths looking like the standard flu curve but amplified slightly.
The spike accounts for a large part of excess deaths. The amplified flu-like curve may knock-on effects.
I think point 2 will stay elevated for months as this looks to a persistent extra death rate likely due to lockdowns.
Rancourt thiinks those spikes are the result of human intervention – ie lockdowns.
No – the timing makes that highly improbable. The UK spike couldn’t have been caused by lockdown itself – although the mishandling of Care Home infections had an impact, obviously. But there was clearly an identifiable viral event.
There’s no exceptional event except the April spike. Since June, mortality has been well within normal limits.
How are they getting away with telling people that 80,000 have died of Covid, its all lies, they haven’t had post mortems on everyone, GP’s were verifying deaths remotely and they were verified by the coroner remotely, its on the coronavirus info that they could do this. We will never know how many of their serious underlying conditions would have led to death from pneumonia etc.
I sometimes think of the families who have lost someone and know the official cause is wrong. It is an occasionally recurring thought that I find sad.
How are they gettimg away with it?
Because they have the media onside and control all the instruments of govrnment, and if push comes to shove they – having a monopoly of the legitimate use of violence can bankrupt you or put you in prison if they so choose, although the threat itself suffices in most cases.
Incorrect – we can use violence to defend ourselves and others, and our/their property.
Yep, common Law.
Betty Boothroyd is making a lot of noise as well. A formidable pair of ladies to cross
They’ve been emboldened since the government gaslightling and Twitter and Facebook gave started their cull in earnest. Apparently this is a leak of ‘right wing’ YT channels for the chopping board
James Delingpole on there
Keep doing it. We need to migrate off these sites anyway.
There needs to be a bit of a critical mass of leaving Youtube though. The trouble is people are going in dribs and drabs to places like Bitchute and Brand New Tube. Hopefully a main contender to Youtube will emerge.
Its not that easy i’m afraid when the online harms bill comes into legislation, regulation will eradicate alternative socialmedia platforms. The future is bleak for freedom of speech/expression. I fear its to late to stop this, we are entering a very dark era in human history. Worse than the medieval or Nazi/Soviet historical times.
This purge is orchestrated and timed by the deep state & elite establishment, its coming straight from government not as erroneously assumed big tech “convergent opportunism”. Corporate socialism sliding into full blown Chinese style capitalist communism. We are witnessing the twilight before the sun goes down on the freedom of the internet & WWW.
Pure soviet era communism.
LOL @ Dangerfield & Douglas Murray purge! It would be comical if it was not so terrifying, this will end badly whichever way it goes.
Dr Sam Bailey on PCR tests https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNkJUDctdk
Thanks, everyone should watch this.
What about this?
Posted earlier by Nick Rose: https://principia-scientific.com/in-germany-revolution-is-brewing-against-covid19-tyranny/
Sars-Cov-2 is NOT a “virus” but a micro-protein nearly one thousand times smaller than a “virus”. Although first “discovered” in 2013, its widespread occurrence across our planet has made it an ideal tool for the present manipulations.
And this, from the same article:
Finally, I’ve just received a copy of a document from the FDA which is an admission, December 2020, that Covid-19 virus doesn’t exist so just guess when you’re running a PCR test. You can download it here:-
https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download Page 42 is the relevant text.
Thanks Cheezilla.
However, the FDA link goes to “Page not found”
Try this, seems to work – https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download
I’m sorry but the FDA linked pages don’t say what you think they do. It’s just a trial of a PCR home/self testing kit there’s nothing odd about it.
You need to search FDA home page using the link info to get it to come up.
This is the document that states “…no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV were available…”.
This is a bit odd to me, as one would have thought that in such a rampant pandemic, virus isolates wouldn’t be too hard to come by.
You’d have thought, yep …
Where does it say that? I still have just got a manual for doing PCR tests using the link. It’s not that I don’t understand it it’s that I can’t find it.
Page 42. Note that this Page 42 of the original document which is Page 43 of the download.
Thanks all who helped to clarify this.
Excellent!
Principia seems to be a site well worth looking at. Haven’t found that link yet, but the rest is good.
Only if the fainter can prove that it was the mask that directly caused them to faint, I suppose.
That can’t be proved or not proved.
Doesn’t matter. The last thing they want is a customer throwing a hissy fit on their shop floor. Social media/the Lefties will take the supermarket apart. Bad for them
If they have an atom of humanity in them, they’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Just walk by.
one of the people that comes on here does this – if forced to wear a mask he faints over the merchandise… might be the guy that also wears gas masks
Dont let it worry you. You have nothing to prove. You can threaten to sue them for disability discrimination. They will disappear like rats up a drainpipe
If you feel vulnerable, the bullies will sense it an exploit it, as bullies do.
You’re exempt. End of. Stay strong!
Just in case there is anyone out there who still believes the dishonest bullshit put about by the big tech anti-liberty and anti-free speech left, and its various establishment and other lefty apologists and enablers:
Remember when these lefty hypocrites used to cry about “McCarthyism” and claim they believed in freedom of speech and freedom of conscience as a principle, because “I might hate what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”?
They were lying.
In fact, what they meant was they believe in freedom of speech only until their own side is powerful enough to suppress the other side’s speech, and they believe in freedom of conscience only until their own side is powerful enough to hound and harass their political rivals.
Far too many took them at their words. Now it’s time to choose a side, because the enemies of liberty are the left and they are wearing the jackboots.
I wonder if there has ever been a society and a time where truly free speech has existed
Maybe the early days of the US
Ancient Greece?
It’s more of an equilibrium than a binary condition, and the natural gravitation of human culture pulls against liberty. The price of liberty, etc. The issue is whether in your particular society you are on the side that’s helping drag it down or the side that’s trying to prop it up.
Ancient Greece had the slave trade too
‘Ancient Greece’ lasted a long time and was multiple and complex. Sparta, to take an obvious example, was completely different from Athens. If you mean classical Athens, its most notable achievement, judged by today’s standards, was to put Socrates to death for allegedly corrupting youth, by teaching young men how to think.
Women and slaves – together comprising the bulk of the city’s population – had no voice whatsoever.
Hi Mark, I often really appreciate your commentary on here i.e. I agree with you on loads of things and think you put a good angle on it. I’ve said it before so I’m not trying to make a big thing of it, but some people who consider themselves the real “the left” simply believe in progressive taxation. I’m fully with you on many on the liberty and small state type issues – so I wish we had a better way to label these people you speak of – as I see the word “lefty” and it feels like an affront ha.
Not trying to regulate the terms you use obviously, just throwing in my two pence.
Naturally because I’m from the left, I’m only throwing in two pence provided someone richer than me pays in a tenner. And only provided all the funds are paid to people who have ancestors who were born in Africa, as reparations.
That’s absolutely fair enough, and I don’t have any big problem with what you write there. There’s a sense in which this argument about left/right is semantic, though left and right are as I’ve often pointed out, references to real and fundamental human differences.
My view is that progressive taxation (and indeed the ownership of stuff that it is a part of) is only a small and nowadays barely relevant subset of the real issues at stake. There are nowadays many ways in which society is being radically changed to serve ideological ends that are more powerful and more fundamental than coerced charity.
In the end it comes down to who your enemies are. If you believe in genuine freedom of speech and conscience then your enemies are Johnson and Starmer and Corbyn and all they represent, because not a one of them believes in either.
You’d need to build your own server farm, assuming you could get anyone to sell you the kit
Or hope that governments took anti-trust action to curtail the power of big tech – but that now seems unlikely
Gab have managed to do it. Parler really should have seen this coming or at least made contingencies for the possibility.
Seems like remarkable naivety. But people are often very naive about the political left, because we’ve all grown up in societies in which it is presumed by the social elites to be the side of decency and goodness.
”Elites”? What?
The ones who create and maintain a society’s received opinions, and define and police its “Overton Window”.
Well – the thought police in charge at the moment are right-wing Tories – and have been for the best part of 40 years ever since Thatcher and Regan laid the foundations of this global capital coup
Another big yawn induced by the tin drummers.
Yes indeed. I wonder if Pres T actually did see it coming and his own plans are much further ahead than we can yet imagine….
I hope so.
One of the things I disliked about Trump was his naivety in this regard. He basically thought everyone was like him – basically decent and willing to make deals, and he just never understood the kind of people he was up against.
He should have dealt with the big tech oligarchs years ago, but he thought he could do business with them.
Do you post over at GP Mark?
Edit: Sorry that was nosey of me, just that I do and I thought you might be someone I know over there.
No need to apologise for asking a question.
In this case, the answer is no, unless GP is somewhere I know under another name.
No worries, you’d know what it was if you did post there. Keep up the good work!
“big tech anti-liberty and anti-free speech left”
Oh Gawd! Not another one sucking the right-wing comfort rag!
” ’twere them, sir!”
There isn’t any right/left in this – even tho’ instigated by the UK extreme right.
This is a coup by global capital who have used identity politics to divide and demoralise the population.Its all wrapped up in fake green claptrap and the end result will feel like communism for the masses.I hope I cleared it up for everyone.
The old labels no longer fit the situation we are in.
https://timeforrecovery.org/excessdeathsscandal/
Recovery Press Release on ONS figures showing excess deaths figures caused by people dying at home and because of lockdowns. Apologies if already posted.
I feel like sending that to a local lockdown zealot (whom I have known for over 30 years) whose wife had breast cancer and son (then aged about 20) had testicular cancer in recent years. How would he have felt if treatment had been delayed? I think he would have had a totally different view had he and his family been diagnosed, or not, during this covidfiasco.
He would have blamed it on the pandemic. They all do. I was unfortunate enough to see a small clip of tv where Kate Garraway was sad about the fact she couldn’t see her husband (I’m sure you know he is in hospital after suffering from THE virus many months ago). She couldn’t seem to understand it is the ridiculous restrictions restrictions stopping her from seeing him, nothing else.
Thank you Marialta. This is just what I needed. I’m in the process of writing to an old friend in Australia, who has been quoting 80K Covid deaths in UK as ammunition against my lockdown scepticism. This should help to cook his conformist goose…
First sentence in the linked article – “Today’s shocking excess death figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS)…”.
They WEREN’T shocking. They’re perfectly in line with previous years for this time of year, 10,069. As I mentioned in an earlier post today, the weekly average is 10,351 (irresepctive of season and not population adjusted). Overall for 2020 the number of deaths was above the five year average (which is NOT population adjusted!) BUT, population adjusted 2020 ranks at number 50 out of the 70 years from 1950.
I certainly agree with the excess deaths being caused, or contributed to, by lockdown, suicides, delayed or cancelled medical treatments etc etc, but all this does is to show the overall effect from Covid is even less.
DavidC
I just looked at the BBC (fear porn) page and Waitrose (referred to in an earlier post) are saying that people should have a medical exemption and it will be enforced “in line with Govt guidance”, which has not changed. As the whole of life has been medicalised, in my opinion, those of us claiming exemption should be fine. I have a print-out of the Govt guidance which I take with me to shops. They are just trying to frighten people into compliance.
Stand firm.
Nothing has changed, it’s just more bullshit.
Indeed. Just returned from an uneventful Tesco trip. I’m trying to be careful not to be sucked into the mind games on this one. All that has happened is that the existing nonsense has been reiterated.
There is no such a thing as being medically exempt. The guidance refers to being exempt from wearing a face covering (not just a mask).
Agree, big propaganda pushed via third party, the 4 big supermarkets. Think they misjudged this one.
If challenged, challenge back then if unfair and overzealous enforcement continues then people should vote with their feet. Support local shops (if they do not enforce masks), Aldi, Liddl, online (obviously not the 4).
You can bet your arse they are !
More people standing up against tyranny:
Austria – lots of people going for a walk through their towns. No incidents, police has been supportive (austria has a 6pm curfew)
Mexico City – hundreds of restaurants opened to avoid bankruptcy.
Riots in Denmark and Prague. 100% fearful compliance in my town. Businesses offering to become vaccination centres. Utterly pathetic stuff
Yes – to what a depth this country has fallen. We used to be Great Britain, now we are Greta Britain!
Orwell called it the ‘deep, deep sleep of England’. It’s basically just extreme complacency by a people who have not experienced any existential threat for 75 years. Orwell predicted in the same essay, pre-war, that England would only be woken up by ‘the roar of bombs’ and he was right. I wonder if anything will wake up poor old England now.
50,000 Italian restaurants opening in unison.
That gladdens my heart.
This is one to watch, I think, because rather than a riot it is a peaceful civil disobedience. It would not work in the UK because the owners would be denounced as covid spreaders.
In my experience, Mexicans aren’t to good at keeping to rules.
This petition has completely stalled. I just can’t believe it. Surely out of a population of 65 million plus, there must be a dozen or so who have researched it.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550598
Signed.
2521
Oh dear, I went to sign it and find I already have.
Doubtless, if told about this very important petition, the BBC would be desperate to give this a wide airing! {Not}
Yes it does seem to have died. I signed some time ago, and they won’t let me sign it again!
This country, the whole world in fact, is awash in fake sentiment. One of the biggest lies is that “all deaths are tragic.” This is bullshit.
I remember a few years ago a boy in my daughter’s class died aged ten. He was a beautiful, dear little boy who had a rare and incurable genetic condition. It slowly robbed him of his sight and his motor skills. I remember when he made his confirmation and seeing the extent of what it had done to him. My Mum went home and cried for two hours.
I went to his funeral. I’ve never forgotten it. There were hundreds of people there. Everyone stood stock still in the street in silent, stricken grief. I remember the traumatised, stunned faces of his parents. The suffering and agony etched on their faces. There were some tough sorts there, men who’d been on the wrong side of the law when they were younger, and they were choking, physically choking with grief. My daughter was inconsolable, when they took his coffin from the church people howled, I couldn’t see for tears.
Regardless of how much they were loved, what is the passing of a 90 year old to the obscenity of a dead child? Nothing.
It’s only in the last hundred years, and in developed countries, that the death of a child has been seen as an appalling outrage. It would always have been a matter for private grief, but when at least half of all children died before reaching their fifth birthday; when a couple might have ten children of whom only two survived to adulthood; and when death of mother or child, or both, in childbirth was a frequent event, you couldn’t afford to stop the world every time a child died. And people didn’t. Death happens, life goes on.
I understand that Annie, I’m making the point that the death of a child is vastly worse than that of a frail elderly person, and that all deaths are not equally sad.
The entrance into and exit out of life that we call birth and death are all part of the same continuum. I think of it as a swinging door through which, every second, hour, and day individuals from all over the world pass. “We” don’t end at death’s door, Nowadays rigorous studies at institutions such as the Windbridge Reseach Center in Arizona are verifying the work of authentic mediums who communicate with those who are discarnate. I don’r expect anyone on this site to believe this, but cutting-edge philosophers and scientists are demonstrating that we are first and foremost consciousness, a soul that takes on a body and enters Time and Space to evolve and grow from experience. My long and extensive work in this field leaves me in no doubt about this. The majority of people are mired in a secular materialism that has a very narrow focus of what constitutes “reality.” The underlying ground of Being, whether termed Consciousness, God, Goddess, the Tao, Source, the Absolute, or whatever, is the Real. What we are going through is just another melodramatic episode in this World of Opposites, another soap opera that we are having to play out, learn and grow from, but which, as the Vedantic teachings say, is ultimately an illusion.
But personally, I find keeping that awareness nearby my everyday state of mind gives me a much-needed perspective during the insanity all around me, so I can live relatively unperturbed. Not easy though….
This is not to say it’s a deeply unpleasant illusion for all us here who have bodies.
School class mate (light friendship between us) died of cancer at 16. That death was tragic I was overcome with emotion.
My gran died after 13 years with dementia/ alxheimers (not sure exactly). That was not tragic it was a blessing for all involved.
I know it’s been over 100 years ago but a family from the same village as my mother’s family lost 4 sons in WW1.
It isn’t nothing, but a natural passing, this is what seems to be devoid of sense now. Funny enough we were discussing tonight, the difference between a tragic death as you so rightly describe and a normal death, the expected natural passing. The expected natural passing has now been hysterically labelled as tragic. From my nursing days back in the 80s when good, core nursing care values were instilled, you knew the death knell of any bed ridden patient would be a chest infection. You were taught to minimise those consequences where possible , mobilise those patients you could, keep those you could sitting up in bed, three days flat on your back, sick, is all it would take to consolidate a chest infection, aspiratea bit of your cup of tea, enough to start the process.
Those debilitated by such things such as stroke which you knew had a reasonable recovery you ensured the chances of a chest infection were reduced by ensuring patients were out of bed, sitting, as active as possible – bed equalled chest infection equalled death. Those so ill that couldn’t be removed from the bed you did what you could to keep them elevated, physio etc., , but once evidence of some chest infection occurred which it would,you knew it wasn’t the stroke, heart condition, dementia, that would carry them off, but the natural end process of a respiratory infection. People in end stages of disease, it is often not the diseases that finishes them, but their body us so immune suppressed zbdvexhausted tgat it is the chest infection that is literally the final nail in the coffin, but is then part if the process of death of a sick person. This has been an accepted part of the dying process of very ill people, but now every 80 plus sick person, their death is a tragedy. This is an abhorrent and perverse definition and perception of the dying process and scorns the real tragedy of deaths that Jo describes. It is again that I rail more against the medical and nursing establishment than the politicians, because it us the former that have exaggerated and perpetuated the myth of end stage elderly and very sick lives being a tragedy to society, rather than a fact of life and as a result created a catastrophe for lives of all ages. No doctor or nurse, who are by their profession there to do no harm, that have perpetuated this vile fraud should be allowed to unanswerable to the minimum crime of wilful neglect.
Excellent post, thank you. Pneumonia used to be called the Old Man’s Friend for a reason.
Excuse the few typos, too late to edit.
Beautifully put, typos and all. Thank you for that post.
Wonderful post , I lost my Mum in June , she was 97 , it was sad of course and I miss her , would I wish she hadn’t died ? No she had enough of life , was it tragic ? No . It was “the way of things” and as such a normal life event .
My mother died in July 2019. She had been bedridden and suffering from vascular dementia for five years. My brother was her full time carer in the family home for the whole time and put his own life on hold as he toiled to look after her (by choice) 24/7/365. It was he who found her, peaceful for the first time in five years, dead in her bed. My affectionate and lively dog died suddenly two weeks later of an undiagnosed cancerous condition which caused his decline overnight and subsequent euthanasia. He was arguably three or four years short of a normal life expectancy.
My point is that I cried over my canine companion’s death but not my mother’s – she was at rest at last after five years of torment for her, and my brother could now live the life he so deserved. I miss what she was before her decline but it would be hypocritical of me to say that I was anything but relieved by her death.
Can’t up vote your common sense comment with enough appreciation. What has happened to rational logical reason in 21st century health care?
We are paying a heavy price for liberal-left ideology of zero covid, their failure is so palpable they’re unwilling to acknowledge responsibility for this catastrophe.
It all starts with career politicians they aren’t the experienced statesmen of the past just selfish nihilistic neo-liberals.
And make no mistake, a hundred children will die because of lockdown and being denied access to medical care for every child that has died with covid. And that is before we start on the ruined life chances of so many because of the disgrace that is shutting the schools.
3 things Covid has taught me:
1) I am responsible for every disease anyone has ever caught with me being part of the chain of infection. In my 51 years on this planet, I must have passed on numerous cold/flu viruses that somewhere along the line resulted in the death of a 90-year old care home resident. Therefore I am actually a mass murderer.
2) Human rights are not actually “rights” at all. They are optional extras to be dispensed with at the whim of the government.
3) The majority of the population are lazy, complacent and gullible. They cannot be bothered to do even a modicum of research even when the issues are of vital importance such as the destruction of our society and economy or what exactly the syringe being jabbed into their arm contains and what it might do to them. As long as they can watch Netflix and order take-aways they are content and happy to let the government do their thinking for them.
Jeremy Bentham, the founder of utilitarianism, described “natural rights” as “nonsense on stilts”!
He really was a hateful shit.
What would you expect from the designer of the panopticon?
No. 3 is the most disheartening. Sheep – totally dumb.
Real sheep are quite bright. Covviesheep, on the other hand, are thick as mince.
What selfish bastards us sceptics are. If we hadn’t of been born we’d of saved thousands of lives.
Re. Point 1. I agree when you think about it when somebody dies of any infectious disease or any complication thereof, that disease has passed through thousands of people before reaching it’s final victim. By the current government logic we are all murderers. Unless of course we stick to the bubble they are planning for us. Forever.
Strongly agree with point 3 and I’ve been surprised by the way intelligent and educated (so I thought) people I know that have been completely taken in by all this. Perhaps when their home comforts and income is affected they’ll wake up.
Yep, point 3 particularly. As I’ve said before, we are learning to love lockdown…
Bruce Reynolds may be able to answer this …
Don’t know if anyone’s posted this yet, on Government guidance to supermarkets:
https://twitter.com/northerness/status/1349051470830854150
See post 9 for a link to the following document: (Underlined here is underlined in original):
We ask that you consider taking the following steps and use the following language if you see someone entering or inside a store not wearing a face covering. Please note charity organisations working with the government have been made aware of this too.
1: You may see an individual wearing a visual cue that indicates they are exempt from wearing a face covering. Some examples can be found at the end of this document. They may also have made their own. It is not mandatory for an individual to wear a visual cue to outline they are exempt.
2: If you cannot see a visual cue but need to ask an individual to put on a face covering, please keep your distance to help protect them. You may need to remove your own face covering so your full face and mouth can be seen to speak to them. This will aid lip reading and facial expression reading, important for those with hearing difficulties and those who are autistic.
3: Ask the individual “Please can you wear a face covering if you are able to?” This allows the individual to reply with “I am not able to/I am exempt”, rather than just “I don’t want to”.
4: Once an individual has said they are not able to/exempt, you must take their word and allow them to continue. A verbal confirmation alone is enough. You must not ask for proof of their medical exemption and it is not essential they show any form of exemption card at any point.
Wonderful. TY. I will print this off and carry it in my pocket
#metoo!
I don’t want to alarm anyone but I’ve read today that there is a stubborn minority of people who are simply not complying with Covid rules. This is undermining the government’s actions and is really vexing the architects of lockdown.
Bastards,who do they think they are with their sanity and free thinking,shouldn’t be allowed.
What’s also alarming is that deaths are not spiralling out of control and people think it’s a scam.
How very dare they?? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.
Lovely phrase architects of lockdown.
It’s absolutely shameful. As our dear leader has said, it’s time we all grew up and stuck to “the rules”. Who do we think we are, citizens or something?
On ya bike Bozo.
Yeah, its us on Lockdown Sceptics
Apparently people are only obeying the letter of the law, not the spirit of the law, and it’s therefore up to the police to decide if you’re guilty in spirit.
So how would the police explain their own wearing of muzzles? Spirit or letter?
Above and beyond the spirit of the law. ‘And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.’ (St Matthew).
Easy scapegoats for an ideological failiure.
This is exactly it. Lockdown is not working, someone must be blamed and it must not be the government or the advisors.
Name and shame them, Tom. Each and every one of them.
and the disease is so deadly and infectious they are all going to sadlydie .
They will sadlidie of being beaten to death though
Picture of one of them here:
Guardian smudging off the expected January wave peak into February.
Is it fun being a journalist? Just to sit and write whatever feels good in the moment.
How can it feel good – they must be fetishists
Haven’t been inside a bank in years, but this is surely illegal.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/hsbc-says-customers-who-enter-23307420
Who knows these days. Lawyers don’t seem to give a shit.
That can’t possibly be legal.
Puffery. I’ve had an a/c with Midland/HSBC since 1965, happy to go elsewhere if I get any grief. I use the a/c mainly online but will have to go in branch when mother’s probate comes through. They must comply with the law and we know what it says about this.
BBC showing a supermarket picture with almost everyone unmasked. Where did they get this from – it’s not a reality that I recognise! Hardly any other unmasked people for weeks/months.
First Lockdown
Agreed. Old footage
Excuse my French but if they are trying to suggest that’s reality then they really are complete and utter cunts
Bet anyone any money they like there is NO supermarket in the UK like this
Ah! But if someone is beaten up, it means the individual doing the beating is not heeding ”soshul distunsin” and therefore is guilty of…. something.
This is truly scandalous, lies being put on broadcast news and you are right, it will incite people to riot. Not just that, but The Guardian manipulating peaks and falls into February is just as scandalous. This is quite sinister now. They must be absolutely desperate to pull these stunts.
Yes, the media is now inciting violence against a specified group. If their incitement is successful, they will misrepresent what happens. If their incitement is too successful and someone is badly injured or killed, they will cover it up – if necessary with the help of a D notice from the helpful regime just to keep the ship watertight.
British values. Hail Johnson!
This is becoming full blown Fascism isn’t it? They now have their scapegoat group to point the finger for all their ills on.
Maskless free?
Judenfrei?
Have you heard of Photoshop or other image editing software, very easy to use in the manipulation of images. The old adage here, do not believe all you see, hear and read.
That is a good sign.
It shows that what is what people really want is to have normaliy back.
…and they think that will come through vaccination.
They’re some lying, coercive buggers, aren’t they?
Bluntly : Yes.
The attempt earlier today to pretend that there has been no mortality worse than 2020 since the 1940s crosses the line from distortion to lies.
Which supermarket and where?
Its old footage, I’ll bet. They want to ‘show’ that there are a LOT of unmaskers brazenly flouting the ‘rules’, so they can come down on us like a ton of bricks.
We have to hope that, with the inevitable announcement re: “trialling” health passports in the Telegraph this evening, that this is finally where the pushback begins. Enough.
I fear that we are we past the point when there would have been a backlash. Too many will be drooling with anticipation of being able to download their own health passport app. Of course not everyone will have the tech, so perhaps a tattoo will be offered as an alternative?
The only people who would complain about that would be those people with so many tattoos that they haven’t got room for an official one anywhere. Cue demands for removals on the NHS, etc.
Very true! Being tattoo-free I hadn’t really thought it through.
Snap.
They can have it in their forehead instead.
Bill Gates has just the thing,ready for use.Thats for the future though.People will have to be accustomed to using the health passport first.
Doubt it
It will require concerted legal action to challenge this.
Brief flick through the MSM evening propaganda assortment:
MiniTrue: You CAN AND CAN’T DO THIS you naughty children
shITN: Pathetic puppy-eyed twat whining about his whole family infected, better actor needed
Sly: OmFg oVeRwHeLmEd NhS!1!1…possibly. No interior hospital footage provided
Hilarious that masses buy this shite.
‘shITN’ – very good! I will be using that one.
This is why I hardly ever watch ‘live’ TV anymore. Streaming or DVD/Blu Rays for me.
I just thought I’d post these comments by Alex Garland (The Beach author). He was interviewed in Empire about Devs (brilliant series). He said the following which I think is highly relevant:
“Garland is loath to ‘opportunistically post-rationalise’ Devs but says that it does connect here, railing against Michael Gove’s 2016 diatribe about experts. “I think that everything that’s happening around Covid is somehow summed up in that completely idiotic statement he made about experts, which is to undermine the idea of expertise. Covid is the chikens coming home to roost because people’s rhetoric is meaningless in front of Covid because Covid is simply not interested in rhetoric. And the way that’s related to Devs is, what I’m saying is, science is not a dry, cold, arrogant state. It’s an inquisitive, thoughtful, uncertain, philosophically strange and beautiful state. But, it has its dangers. And the problem is what happens when a lot of power gets into the hands of small groups of people who are not accountable to anyone else, who don’t have any checks and balances. And then it’s the little man, little woman, trying to fight back.”
Just thought it was relevant for here.
Gove was clearly referring to one set of ‘experts’ (although the interviewer-I believe Faisal Islam, talked over him) who wrongly predicted the success of the Exchange Rate Mechanism & Euro. This has been generalised to a sense he never intended. Experts are not unchallegeable authorities. Looking for objection to one’s hypotheses is how science advances, not simply accepting an expert ‘authority.’
“I think that everything that’s happening around Covid is somehow summed up in that completely idiotic statement he made about experts, which is to undermine the idea of expertise.”
That comment seems inconsistent with the rest of your quote, to me. To me, Gove’s comment about experts was, yes, a great warning about precisely what has happened with covid, but precisely because it was so apt and so fundamentally true, but by ignoring his own words when it mattered Gove was part of the headlong rush into coronapanic disaster.
A good leader would have listened to the “experts” on SAGE, consulted other experts about the likely costs and benefits of what they were recommending, then applied his own wisdom and conscience to the issue and concluded that there was no need to panic and lockdown was anyway immoral and unwarranted. And ignored the SAGE “experts”.
Rule by experts, it is said, is tyranny shrouded in science. For experts have no time for democracy – why should they? They are the experts, whereas the leaders chosen by the common people are mere ignorant populists. And as we have seen, in spades, in this coronapanic, being “expert” is no guarantee of being right, or honest – quite the contrary. “Experts” are every bit as much guided by ulterior motives as ordinary folk. They are just better at dressing what they want up in technobabble.
Gove was right.Shame he ignored his own wisdom, but then again he’s never struck me as entirely rational.
Life expectancy is 81.
Average age of coronavirus related deaths is 82.4.
“If you don’t stay at home, people will die,” says your caring, compassionate government. “Oh, by the way, if you don’t stay at home, we will oppress you and set the mob on you. Stay safe.”
A rare time that I watched the BBC news at 6 oclock tonight….never have I seen such squalid propaganda. They had a woman on saying her 55 year old husband had died of covid and how they had so many plans they still wanted to do. You have to feel sympathy for that. However my sympathy waned when she then started into a tirade about how selfish and ignorant people had killed him and the BBC gave her a full platform to do this.
This is blatantly using emotional pressure to force through a particular policy with no shame either on the BBCs part and the woman’s part. Where was the evidence that what she was saying was true? Viruses are part of nature its just not on to claim every death is someone’s fault. The deaths of people are now being weaponised against people who just want to live a normal life.
There was a time when people had more respect for the dead than to use them as a battering ram to attack other sections of society….I was utterly repulsed by her. It was the same tactic used to drum up support for the Iraq war…..use pictures of Saddam’s attacks on the kurds to justify a policy they wanted to do anyway.
By openly calling people selfish they are actively encouraging unstable members of the public to be violent to people like us.
Be very careful out there among the Great British Public.
The lockdowns are and will be responsible for far more deaths,
These deaths are and will be in addition to any caused by covid – deaths which are not preventable by lockdowns, masks or SD.
Lockdown deaths, such as those caused by the mass expulsion of patients from hospitals, and into care homes, were preventable.
And the millions of cancelled appointments while the hospitals in most of the country were stood empty.
It’s the new morality. You either catch Corona virus through your own recklessness or else it’s because of someone else’s malign behaviour. It’s an entirely medieval view of disease which I thought we had long since abandoned and it’s anti-science but is being pushed by our government.
Typical BBC reporting. They’ve been doing it since the start of the plandemic.
I stopped watching the beeb last April. I don’t know how people can stomach it day in and day out.
I dont its my partner who likes to watch it….I just think its despicable and am normally elsewhere in the house .
I used to like Phillip Scofield when I was about 6 and he used to sit in a broom cupboard with his fist shoved up a gofer, but I do wish my partner would stop watching This Morning.
That “dud-dud-dud-duuur-dud-duuur” noise coming from the other room every ten minutes drives me nuts.
Yes, I stopped in April too, realised that nothing was useful to me. Cancelled the licence .
Same with ITV,C4,5 and Sky.
Thank God for TR.
I gave up my telly in 2015 in protest over the misreporting of the migrant crisis by the BBC (they edited footage of Hungarian police to make them look as if they’d pushed two migrants onto a railway line, when in fact other footage showed they clearly jumped). I don’t even click on BBC online articles now because I don’t want them to get the hits.
It’s been a hard grind watching BBC news and current affairs for a few years now. Check out the trust pilot reviews to see how others feel. I switched to sky news but it’s barely better. I can’t read that either now. How come Sky News Australia is better, (I think), different company? I think that for years the news has been provided by PR’s from activist and special interest groups, charities raising awareness, (money), and highly partisan “experts”. The guests don’t know what they’re talking about a lot of the time, or actively mislead. When they cover a subject that you know about yourself, the shallowness and bias is blatant. Perhaps has always been thus and I wasn’t paying attention.
Sky News Australia isn’t owned by Comcast, Murdoch still has it I believe.
Totally agree.
As an “afterthought” it mentioned that he had had underlying health problems.
Emotional blackmail personified.
I strongly suspect he had comorbid conditions. I don’t know why these industrial levels of propaganda are being ramped up and up, I think people are getting fed up of it, in the absence of bodies being piled up in the street, morgues overloaded, empty hospitals etc. There is almost 100% compliance with masks everywhere. It’s just a pathetic excuse to divert attention away from this wholly incompetent, sinister Government.
Well said, Jo.
We must stand firm and hold our ground.
I am now not sure that they are incompetent. I came to the conclusion that they are evil in August. By early December I concluded that they are Satanic.
Its an age old trick…they did the same with AIDS in the 1980s and they got young men to go to their deaths in 1914 with stories of Belgium women being raped.
She’s being used as a shroud waver . Scum media.
I read somewhere that this was the plan;To use hard hitting emotional messaging like at the start.We should be happy they have nothing else left.
Like a geared ratchet, every pull on the propaganda chain locks me more firmly to reality.
I blame the BBC, they are utterly evil and beyond contempt. bereaved people are notoriously deranged, and blame all kinds of people including themselves, the doctors, God, the dog, etc, etc, – you have to give the poor woman a pass on this, but it takes a real piece of shit to seek her out and exploit her deranged grief for their own vile propaganda purposes
I agree; I was absolutely livid at the BBC for giving that woman such an amount of airtime. What was worse, they let her bleat on for so long that I lost any sympathy for her husband sadlidying.
Just back from my local Tesco – a few more unmasked today (counted 3 other adults so 4 of us in total!). No doubt we are responsible for the 46 deaths and 3,086 “cases” reported in Ireland today.
Tá misneach mór agat! Maith thú.
“Granny killers”
Why is there such an assault on the very very very very very small minority who claim exemption from wearing a mask?
I think it’s funny. Like being savaged by a dead sheep.
Dear Dennis, how we miss him..
He’d straighten Pfeffel out.
No contest, I’d certainly buy a ticket for that!
The masses need to channel their frustration and anger towards a target that doesn’t threaten their covid-belief system and the MSM are only too happy to highlight that target. Govt need that target not to be them. The masses of people breaking rules and going bare-faced exist only in their imaginations, in another part of the country (where piles of bodies can be seen in the street).
Because they are insanely jealous of even one or two people who have been standing firm. Day in, day out I am the ONLY one unmasked in my community. Where are all these rule breakers? I want to live there!
Same where I live, a small country town full of sheeple. I have NEVER seen anyone else but myself in any of the shops without a mask since July. Outdoors it’s now about 75% muzzled. Depressing.
I suppose we’re perceived as ‘getting away with it’ like people who evade taxes, or ignore parking rules; we’re dodging the rules. In a healthy society, in normal circumstances, good people are law-abiding. But ours unfortunately is a very sick society, and so this situation is inverted: now it’s the rule-breakers who are the good people, and the brave people, while the law-abiding are collaborators.
Misdirection, just government defecting blame because nothing they’ve done has worked.
‘deflecting’* damn artificially unintelligent autocorrect.
I agree, it is completely irrational.
I am a classic example of the ‘criminals’ who are going maskless. I visit Tesco one a week and wear a home-made exemption lanyard using an image made available for that purpose on the Govt’s own website. I live on my own and am retired, so never formally meet people or socialise as things currently stand. I am in a support bubble with my brother who lives on his own 50 miles away and whom I have seen three times in the past six months.
In the supermarket I use the self-service ‘scan, pack and pay’ facility so don’t even encounter any checkout staff. I socially distance (as I’m required to do, unlike many of the masked people) and since the summer, when masks were first required in shops, I have seen maybe another six people maskless in all that time. I really doubt from my observations that there are grounds for pointing any finger of blame at people who claim exemption.
Yes the company would probably be liable as they aren’t following the govt guidance on exemptions. Which is clearly there to prevent people from suing the govt.
No nappy for DJT.
On now:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EPRCD-nY5w
DM online: Businesses whose workers cannot work from home could be forced to close down causing untold economic consequences.
Now, who would have thought that?
HELP
Got this message from work this evening,
IMPORTANT!!!!
COVID-19 rules changes at ****
Due to the increasing COVID-19 situation, from tomorrow morning, we will be implementing mandatory use of face masks for everyone who attends any of our sites. These masks are to be worn at all times and should ideally be 3-PLY face masks. In addition of wearing masks, everybody still must adhere strictly to the 2 metre distancing rule.
For clarity, the maximum numbers of people who should be working per plot is 4 and that is only if the 2 metre safe working distance can be adhered to.
Thank you for your corporation.
If that’s going to be enforced then I’m out of work.
Somewhere I saw some manufacturers guidelines about these masks and I’m sure it said about time limits before they need changing, anyone know?
This is a building site ffs
So what covid laws are they following? Sounds like invented panic BS. Is that outdoors?
Housing , so mix of outdoor and indoor once the roof and windows are on
Go see your boss. Quietly and confidently say, “I’d like to talk to you in confidence. As a trauma survivor I am exempt from wearing a mask as they cause me panic attacks. Could you just keep this part confidential and just tell anyone who asks that I am medically exempt. Thanks.” NO MORE will be said. Trust me. And you are not lying. Anyone subjected to the vile and insane words spouted by Matt Hancock is a trauma survivor. I’m seriously thinking of pressing criminal charges. He has gone so far over the line, he can’t even see the line! He’s sick. Psychotic!
How many on site?
How many feel the same as you?
Probably about 50ish , no idea about what people feel but I guess less than 10 per cent wear one now. Unless you’re cutting and making dust.
What is ‘the increasing COVID-19 situation’? This is just BS spouted by corporates covering their backs. My other half has had letters like this from her head office (works in a well known high street chain) and has claimed a medical exemption with her line manager, who is fine with that.
I’m hoping it’s that, but would like some hard facts to back me up. For instance the regulations surrounding the use of respiratory PPE is very detailed
I assume you’re aware of PCR Claims? Useful to be aware if not. https://pcrclaims.co.uk/
I am now!
Yes, that wording is very non-specific. I wonder what the site manager’s attitude would be if someone wore a mask, got dizzy and fell from a great height. Have they thought this through?
Don’t put yourself out of work over this. There will be other ways to make them pay.
I believe medical people change theirs every quarter- or half-hour, depending on role.
People have really forgotten that the carrot in imposing the stick of mandatory masks in summer was that distancing would be reduced from 2m to 1m. Not much of a trade off if you ask me, but still…
YOU ARE EXEMPT if you want to be! It is the LAW! Do not let them bully you. They can use the word “mandatory” to scare you but the CANNOT force you. Read government guidelines, you are exempt if you have a reasonable excuse (you experience SEVERE STRESS when you put one on. Just do not be bullied. The bastards!
Absolutely. Be polite. Be friendly. But don’t even get into a debate.
My advice on day one is just to go see the line manager and mention it almost in passing “by the way, got your email thanks. In case anyone asks, I am exempt. So just thought id let you know. Anyway, how’s the family” that kind of thing.
Good luck.
Don’t worry I am exempt, have been from the beginning but I know what some of these managers are like, as a sub contractor they’ll just kick you off if you argue .
At which point you report them for disability discrimination.
Don’t forget anger or outrage at having to wear a face covering…
The vaccines are not a sigh of relief because the restrictions, I very strongly suspect, will remain in place for many more years to come.
Wolverhampton Express and Star (loathsome publication) poll “says” it’s opinion poll shows 76% of its readers support a stronger lockdown.
So that’s 3 to 1 against us.
But on the other hand it shows that 1 in every 3 may just, may just be starting to think for themselves.
Polls can be manipulated quite easily.I wouldn’t take much notice of them
That wouldn’t be a Yougov poll, by any chance, would it? There’s someone not a million miles from the government’s vaccine roll-out with a finger or two in that particular poll pie.
When these polls are taken, a question that should be asked at the same time is: ”Do you receive money from the public purse?”
Opinion polls are meant to form opinion and not reflect it. Nothing new here!
It would be worthwhile finding out what the question was, and, even more important, what the possible answers were. These polls are not designed to ascertain what people think; they are designed to fuel a particular narrative. But you probably knew that…
Readers of those sort of rags tend towards fascism anyway
Don’t stop and chat, too preposterous for words! They can all bleep bleep
Assume that’s a no, then.
loose lips sink ships!
The most recent proof and study which shows that lockdowns don’t work at all.
I guess there was a good reason that our predecessors never tried them.
https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-dont-prevent-coronavirus-spread/
A reasonable analysis in the telegraph of 2020 death stats. And when you compare Sweden’s figures, dear god what have we done.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/12/fact-check-has-covid-caused-excess-deaths-rise-highest-level/
Quite. What have we done. And still the boneheads won’t see.
In fact, since the 1880s just 18 years have had a lower death rate than 2020 when adjusted for population growth. (DT)
That’s a corker, BBC caught gilding the lilly yet again, no shame at all.
You should read the Guardian’s take on it, they make the BBC look calm and reasoned.
Millionaire Communist. Why would you pay her a moment’s attention?
Sorry. Was about Mitchie. Page updated at the wrong time.
I don’t have a Telegraph subscription so can only see the headline and opening paragraph. But highest excess deaths since the second world war? Figures posted here earlier for total deaths in England and Wales show 2020 at similar levels to most years in the 1990s, 30K more than 2019, and only 20K more than 2018. Have I missed something?
Ah, is Sarah fact checking the BBC? Is that their headline?
I imagine we could all be trained to keep our hands away from our faces eventually with the help of repeated, strong electric shocks. And I imagine Michie would be happy to give up her time to administer those shocks.
O/T If you want a little light relief from this, I suggest you read this article about the latest from the inquiry into the fitting up of Alex Salmond. It’s quite detailed but it seems that Salmond is now suggesting in formal written submissions that there was possibly contempt of court and/or obstruction of justice on the part of the Scottish government.
I’d love to see Mrs Krankie go down for her crimes against humanity, but this may be the nearest we get to it. https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-duty-of-candour/
Seeing “Mrs Krankie go down” is a sickening thought, but i’d love to see her resign in disgrace & socially ostracized for her crimes against humanity. Deported to Russia or some other highly conservative right wing culture that has banned liberal wokeness.
There is no evidence from RCTs that handwashing reduces respiratory infections – unlike gastrointestinal infections.
For exmple:
“This study presents the impact of a large-scale community-based handwashing intervention trial on respiratory illness. We found no impact of the handwashing intervention on overall or age-specific reported respiratory illnesses.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6402932/
Such diseases are overwhelmingly borne on aerosols.
Masks, SD, lockdowns, handwashing
All useless.
Haven’t used sanitizer for months, I’m proud to say and when people (including family) ask me to wash my hands unnecessarily I just just pretend to.
A thought on the transmission of respiratory diseases.
In hospitals, nursing and care homes staff daily work in close contact with patients/clients who have various respiratory diseases, including colds, flus and pneumonia and yet these staff members seem remarkably unable to contract the diseases from their clientele, and this was so before the summer’s obsession with so called PPE.
Yes – I have been doing a lot of reading in this lately.
It seems respiratory diseases are mostly airborne- some researchers think that viruses can travel thousands of miles on tradewinds, they are triggered in cold, dry climates in mid-latitudes, and are helped by weak immune systems.
It is surprising how little is known about their transmission.
https://www.hilarispublisher.com/open-access/intercontinental-spread-of-covid19-on-global-wind-systems-45198.html
It seems to me that the basic error present in assumptions is that the virus is only or at least mostly, transmitted from person to person.
What if the virus, rather like pollen, just simply hangs in the air in aerosol form, particularly in cool dry air,, particularly indoors, and infects those with weak immune systems, rather than being necessarily transferred from person to person.
In that case ventilation might be the only effective intervention.
“In that case ventilation might be the only effective intervention.”
Which makes wearing masks outdoors rather silly.
Ever wonder why some country’s/continents were hardly affected in April?
‘humidity, ?!
I guess that’s because most healthcare workers have reasonable immune systems to protect them.
Yes much like supermarket staff and other front line workers. Detailed surveys have been done in Ireland and US on infection rates amongst supermarket front line staff, and as Ivor Cummins would say, no signal was detected…
One very interesting factoid I’ve heard is the relative immunity of sewerage plant workers to almost everything:
http://www.marianasoperators.org/uploads/1/1/3/5/11353122/biological_safety_&_ppe_for_wastewater_workers_-_no_attachments.pdf
The resilience of the immune system. Maybe they already know that and why they are insisting on masks.
Yes that’s the job if you want to keep your immune system highly tuned! Thanks
https://twitter.com/northerness/status/1349050642128637952?s=20
Guido done a hatchet job on Delingpole today !! Is GF even relevant anymore ??
I stopped reading Guido when he came out in support of Theresa’s Withdrawal Agreement Treaty.
That proved beyond doubt that the site, however it once started, is now run out of CCHQ.
Just another step in Delingpole being cast out of the in crowd – the price of dissent even (perhaps especially) when you are more right than wrong. Toby is much more careful to try to toe the line.
It is also another indication when you are over the target in the UK when the sycophants at GF start attacking you.
I stopped reading him when he went full on maskhole to support Boris, offering no evidence, just blind obedience.
So whatever James Delingpole has written about recently will be accurate enough to make the party loyalists nervous.
I think the dig about how the real Fawkes planned to blow up Parliament rather than become part of it struck a nerve.
Turns out that Staines was just another bed-wetter when faced with the great killer plague that threatens to kill 0.23% of those that aren’t already immune. He’s a bit of a porker so probably thinks it’s bound to get him. So he has now become a government mouthpiece. Pathetic. Fortunately the majority of his readership seem not to appreciate the new direction.
BBC reporting some good news for a change
This is what we need everywhere.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-55641084
I can’t possibly click that I have allergies, if I ingest BBC
bollox, propaganda i go into anaphylactic shock.Just try not to read the bs, just watch the video. It’s really quite uplifting.
Its a principle of mine not to patronise the BBC. It only encourages them.
In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, They Rejected Lockdowns – AIER
https://www.aier.org/article/in-the-asian-flu-of-1957-58-they-rejected-lockdowns/
True Public HEALTH Officials making a traditional and smart decision…
Unlike the woke pseudo do-gooders in charge today catering to naive millenials and Zs fantasies.
BLM in Cardiff:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/protestors-with-blm-signs-at-police-station-over-death-of-man/ar-BB1cGZFL
I thought they had strict lockdown there?
Yes, but taking part in BLM activities is a ‘reasonable excuse’ to leave your home.
Steyn yet again:
“ ‘In Britain, everything is policed except crime’”
It has become very apparent that British policemen are very aggressive when dealing with the passive, and very passive when dealing with the aggressive.
Delete ‘home’, substitute ‘senses’.
No mention of against the law etc. If anti lockdown they would have been all over it. If this is not obvious to people, they don’t deserve their freedoms.
The AM attended the event, and drakeford is bending over backwards to offer the family every assistance.
Drakeford’s ducking the issue as usual, stupid git.
I know that Neil McEvoy – a list AM – attended the event, but he is very anti-lockdown. He has produced a ton of videos on his Facebook page about the devastating effects of lockdown in Cardiff. He stood against Drakeford in Cardiff West in 2016 and will do so again – assuming that we ever have elections again.
Not a word from Plod about how stupid and irresponsible the protesters are? Not one Passive aggressive harpy emboldened by a badge getting in someone’s personal space and being patronising.
I used to be someone who had some respect for the police and the job they do. Gone. Evaporated.
There have been recent protests in Dublin over a police killing of a black man in Dublin – no attempt to quash the protests.
Covid isn’t racist its only active at equal opportunity environments. Its why the police are immune!
I’m surprised the death hasn’t been counted a covid19 death though, surely that would appease the mob.
They are claiming exemption
But the virus is a racist one – that was made very clear early on
No no, it doesn’t attend mostly peaceful anti-racist protests. It only spreads at fascist riots among bigoted conspiracy theorists.
What’s the betting that before the end of this lockdown either the South African strain or another ‘strain’ will be announced?
oh that will happen as surely as night follows day
the other strain is the “Nigerian” one but that might be stretching credibility!
Will the Nigerian strain ask for your bank details?
Oh, that’s clever!
If Whitty announced that a ‘Nigerian strain’ could indeed send your bank details to Lagos, the millions would believe it.
Symptoms – A new and continuous cough and a dwindling bank balance!
I wonder when I should put my meagre savings under the mattress? Or should I just spend it now on Amazon?
I don’t know. We’ve had the Mutant Strain and the South African Strain and it hasn’t made a great deal of difference. There will soon be more strains in this country than in an osteopath’s waiting room. I suspect they will try a different tactic soon – possibly some sort of online/cyber virus.
10 – 1 on.
Japan announced they have a new variant.
Cannot remember source, BBC?
Bozo had been dropping not-so-subtle hints in the press conferences, about the relaxation going to plan “so long as nothing happens with the virus”. He’s so dumb, it’s really fucking obvious.
Just mention John!
Went into my local Sainsburys this afternoon to test the waters with regard to the new mask clamp downs.
Doorman asked me if I had an exemption. I replied that he was not entitled to ask and made a note of his name on my pad (conveniently withdrawn from my pocket). I also asked him for his surname at which he visibly shrunk and refused to tell me. I asked to see the store manager and he was on the scene within minutes.
What followed was what I can only describe as a sycophantic attempt on the manager’s part to apologise and to reassure me that ‘You are always welcome to shop here any time you like without a mask’.
This manager was a nice bloke trying to manage a difficult situation and readily understood the law regarding masks, exemptions and discrimination. He said that nothing would change in his branch of Sainsburys with regard to masks but head office had dictated that stricter enforcement should be enforced…..wink, wink, wink… whatever that meant.
I asked if this meant that every time I entered his shop I would be asked if I had an exemption and he said that all I had to say was that I had one…no more questions asked. I then said that this very question was against the government’s own 2020 Coronavirus regulations and that in itself it was discriminatory. He then surprised me by saying that if I disliked even answering that I should simply say ‘It’s OK….see John’ (John being the manager).
So my options are when entering my local Sainsburys:
*Have you got an exemption——SEE JOHN!
I think I can live with that
Seems a very decent manager,I suspect his attitude is probably a common one.I know staff in these large businesses have to be careful as head offices are keen on sending ‘mystery shoppers’ in to spy on employees.
Indeed. He was a very decent manager. So much so that by the end of our encounter, and his deep understanding, I was feeling a tad guilty for making such a fuss
You shouldn’t! Next time it won’t be a John.
Not about guilty.
But here’s is a guy (John), who obviously understands, and needs our support, not opprobrium ?
We need help, not make enemies.
Yes Bill, when we meet the ‘Johns’ we should be very supportive as indeed I was at the end of our conversation. I can honestly say that I left Sainsburys on a high which was a feeling I did not expect when I entered!
Oh, I agree. I’m glad he’s a good guy. Just making the point they won’t all be like him.
In the good old days you would have shaken his hand. Presumably you didn’t ‘elbow bump’!
I honestly felt like shaking his hand, and I think he would have been tempted, but as we were being watched by others at this point I decided not to put him in an uncomfortable position. By the way….our conversation was carried out at a normal, close distance—-no two meters here!—-so I was well pleased.
How about a mystery unmasked shopper?
If we had a decent organisation/charity for the disabled, they’d do it. But I don’t think we have one.
How do you become a mystery shopper?
Could be the makings of a novel
“The mystery of the unmasked shopper”
Sounds like Hercule Poirot’s latest, most baffling case!
Sounds rather similar to my own boss’ attitude at the supermarket where I work.
We have to fight them with their own logic & tactics, get an exemption lanyard, draw up a liability form.
When next you go into a supermarket & asked to put on a mask despite your exemption in clear view, pull out the form & ask them to sign, asserting they accept full personal legal lability for any harm or injury to your health or well being & accept liability to pay compensation or loss due to injury or poor health as a consequence to their unlawful insistence you wear a mask.
Only the authorities have the power to demand proof of exemption!
Personally for me wearing a mask for 10-20 mins isn’t a fight worth the hassle of fighting but each to there own, I respect your right not too wear one.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but authorities don’t have the power to ask for ‘proof’ they have the power to ask your reason for being exempt. There is no proof except medical records.
1) Police have no respect for law or legal technicality they will issue you a FPN.
2) If you don’t pay you will be summonsed, A magistrate has the power to ask for evidence of your claim.
3) Despite some peoples perceptions the law isn’t about natural justice.
4) It is almost impossible to get official exemption from a doctor regardless of your health condition.
I think a lot of people thinking the law is on the mask dissenters side are going to get a nasty shock in the months to come. Only refuse to wear a mask if you’re prepared to endure the consequences, potentially imprisonment if you don’t pay a fine & you will have a criminal record for the rest of your life it will effect your employment & rights to housing & credit.
Dissent shouldn’t be for the feint hearted. I personally am a libertarian I respect your freedom to choose & only wish you good luck, happiness & that you don’t get harassed by police, the government doesn’t.
I’m not sure what evidence they could even require considering the huge number of exemptions listed on their own guidance that aren’t medical conditions.
It would be erroneous to assume anyone will receive fairness or consideration from the judiciary.
Belief in the system is for monkees.
Good for you. And good for John as well. If only the country as a whole was capable of that level of pragmatism.
I have to say that the staff at my local Tesco have been utterly brilliant throughout this whole shitshow. Friendly, welcoming, helpful. Never once heard any of them complaing of their mortal terror of having to go to work. Unlike certain others.
If you look at local social media, however, you’d think the place was a cross between a rugby scrum and the Somme. NO SOCIAL DISTANCING. SO MANY WITHOUT MASKS. They scream. Must be shopping in a different place. I’m practically the only unmasked face there and it’s all very sedate.
Generally, I’m off twitter and Facebook. Poss for good. It’s quite alarming to realise how many of our fellow travellers are so inert.
God bless John. Sounds like a decent bloke.
At some point the branches as well should fight back as well as us ordinary folk writing head office and shaming supermarket Gestapo on anti-social media.
Well done. This is all just PR by the supermarkets to convince the most terrorised of the sheeple that they are covid-secure. Thanks for confirming it. I’m sure they don’t actually give a rat’s arse about being covid-secure. It was probably just Morrisons desperately trying to win the custom of a few extra Karens, and everyone else matched them to compensate. Seriously, as if Tesco gives a shit about people wearing a bit of filthy rag over their cake-hole. Just about profits, every little extra helps.
Some of the thins the British public has given up over the last year without so much as a whimper.
I’m sure there’s more but these are enough to break your heart. And yet, next to nothing by way of protest. What a wonderful country.
Many people assume all this is temporary, so they can put up with it for a while. Philosophical (or linguistic) question – when does “temporary” become “permanent”?
March 23 2020.
The ease of the task to manipulate the public is know established as a given, this sets an incredibly dangerous precedent for the future to be rolled out at will.
Sadly it just confirmed what I had long thought might be the British public’s reaction to a situation like this.
It’s the boiled frog – how could I forget?
I would add:
Elections and the right to protest
When all this started and it was clear where it was going, I wrote down a list of things that we could currently do freely. In 6 months or so I’ll have to see how many are crossed off. There are several that are already gone.
What on your list can we still do?
Writing a list and crossing things off must be one of the last few things left
I’ll make a new post and list them all.
Thanks
What has shocked me is the way that friends and family that I would consider politically switched on, people who would go on marches, defend free speech etc, have all embraced the new rules. Simply put, it seems to be because they believe the virus is a threat, and so don’t see any rules that follow as bad.
Any means justify the end.
Truly chilling isn’t it! People I’ve known for years. Educated. Compassionate. Intellectual. Gone to the brainwashing. I have wept over some of them. It’s the worst part of this horrific tragedy.
It does make me feel proud of myself that I am not susceptible to this attack – I knew I wouldn’t be. I have too good a sense of right and wrong, unlike the virtue signalling cretinous majority.
On the other hand, I’m pretty sure I’ll be among the first to be disappeared if this is allowed to reach its ultimate endpoint.
I would add to that leaving the house, and sitting on benches (surely that last one shows how utterly ridiculous this has become. Imagine telling someone this time last year that you might be arrested for sitting on a bench!).
Is it still legal to wear a hat?
I wear a hat every day (outdoors), so it must be legal! I’m a law unto myself…
Maybe it’s time for bed for me?
Not if it’s made of tinfoil.
Twitter Public Policy
@Policy
2h
Ahead of the Ugandan election, we’re hearing reports that Internet service providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps.
We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet.
https://twitter.com/Policy/status/1349059276975857664
ROFL! These gloating big tech lefties genuinely think they can openly mock their political enemies with this kind of transparent hypocrisy. The worry is that the coronapanic, and support for woke activism, US Democrats, and establishment parties generally, suggests they might be right.
A lot rides on the answer to that question.
They really do have some front with their hypocrisy don’t they!
I am so fed up of all the lockdown nonsense and my teen daughters are so depressed and demotivated we all need a break – some time in normality.
I was thinking about Costa Rica because they don’t require testing but I just checked – they introduced some restrictions like the beaches opened from 5am to 2.30pm. Crazy.
Where can we go? Who has been to Tanzania?
I haven’t been toTanzania since this nonsense began but I think it is much more laid back.
If you want Central america, then go for Nicaragua, which decided to go the Swedish route early on.
Brazil should also be in the frame.
Pres. Jair Bolsanaro recently reminded his countrymen not to behave ‘like a bunch of fags’ just because a respiratory disease is going round.
Afghanistan had no lockdowns either.
haha
I’d like to see anyone try and impose the Great Reset there.
Yes – the US and UK really f.ed that one.
Brazil suspended flight from UK on the 25th December. And they don’t allow non-resident foreigners to enter the country.
But the jungle tribes near the source of the Amazon will take you in via Peru.
Bolso is awesome.
Tanzania is very restriction free and a good option, mainland is safari heavy (not much to do in towns etc) by Zanzibar is great for beaches, a bit of culture and generally normality. Food weather and very quiet at the moment as you would expect, although some charter flights from Russia going in a few days a week.
Kenya another option to consider, a little stricter on rules but not even in the same universe to our Union of Soviet British Republics. A colleague had decamped there, kids and all for 4 months, kids in school, cheap house on the beach, great food and drink – working out cheaper than being here all things taken in to account.
Yeah rough-and-tumble poor tropical places will dispense with this nonsense first for a multitude of reasons.
But are we ”allowed” to go? Are we ”allowed” to travel to the airport? If not, how do these so-called celebrities get away with it?
We’re not. I suppose in practice you’re risking the cost of your trip plus a £200 fine if you’re ‘caught’ on the way to the airport
The rozzers could just wait at the airports and catch people as they came in. They wouldn’t even have to drive around then – they could just stand there, handcuffs akimbo.
But people are allowed to fly for business. Airports are very empty these days.
Not so from my experience Sunday – had difficulty finding a parking space in the long stay car park. Not at the levels of normal times, but enough people about and my flight was busy and there are 3 departures a day for that route.
I have been driving to work for 40 miles every day – have not seen police stopping cars.
I am sure a taxi will drive to the airport as long as I pay.
I don’t care about nonsensical rules.
Yes, Tanzania was the only beach country available to Russian tourists last year before Turkey opened. I found great reviews from Russia.
Unfortunately, I am in London. I will check if Emirates fly to Zanzibar in February.
Emirates themselves don’t but their sister airline fly Dubai do have a service there, although these have been scaled back. Qatar should still be flying to ZNZ
At this rate, North Korea is sounding reasonably attractive… But, seriously, I spoke to someone in Brazil today and it sounds great. Piers Morgan would have done his research before going to Antigua so that’s probably a safe bet. Maldives?!
My mates ladyfriend is currently there. The phrase used was “sipping G & T in the sunshine”. He is so pissed off with this dictatorial shitshow that he is shortly off to join her. I don`t blame him.
I believe Piers Morgan recommends Antigua.
Hi JulieR I can put you in touch with a tour guide in Arusha, Tanzania for a safari. They tell me there is absolutely no restrictions whatsoever, no masks, social distance or things closed down. The problem is you have to get there, facemasks on plane etc..
I was dreading all that, but it wasn’t as bad as expected mainly because from the queuing to check in, to sitting on the plane you could see most peoples attitude was to wear masks because you had to – probably not explaining this well. First, I guess most people intending to fly in this environment are likely to be sceptical, whilst queuing no one was distancing themselves, people were relaxed standing close, it was as normal and no-one enforcing distancing rules. I was in the queue for an hour so plenty of time for people watching, and most donned the mask in that, well I’ll just stick it under my nose attitude. I just found it more tolerable knowing those around me were probably as pissed off as I am about the ‘rules’ – think it is worse when you are surrounded by mask loving zealots. The most horrible part was the officious, intimidating security staff with their oh so tough goggles and masks.
I read down that thread and others on the page and decided that all doctors are bonkers. They just see humans as disease vectors. They are truly deranged. I need to hug a dog to get enough slobber germs to counteract their antiseptic thoughts.
Scary stuff on talk radio this morning, a hand-wringing guest citing shared pencils as a reason for cancelling the May elections. Again. If they’re pushed back to the autumn we’ll never get them as it will be time to ramp up testing for the sixth wave. I guess democracy dies with a whimper.
Makes you want to get these people and just keep slapping and slapping and slapping…
…with a roll of barbed wire dipped in dog shit.
When we engage in the minutia of these arguments we concede all the important ground. I wish JHB had just laughed him out of the studio. Or let the comment sink in silence. Full respect to her though. Must be a thankless task to deal with these people every morning.
Now IKEA are closed, I’m sure they could supply everyone with a free pencil. I always get about 30 every time I visit.
Ugh! You’re joking. They’ve been forced to close I bet. That’s just spiteful! Spite against Sweden!
Here’s a radical idea, if they’re that worried perhaps they could tell everyone to bring their own pencils and have a small stock of spares for anyone who forgets.
Hardly beyond the wit of man to come up with a solution to that one, not that they want to of course.
Could we not just do it as a Facebook poll….
They can come up with daft reasons all day long so unfortunately solutions aren’t our friends. The old favourite ‘poor ventilation’ was in there too. Pro-lockdown greatest hits. When we offer solutions it just distracts from the behemoth in the voting station…they are suggesting cancelling elections for no reason! And in May when rona virus’s pack up for the summer. I’m astonished.
Just imagine what excuses they’ll come up with when it’s time for the biggie – the General Election.
I’m sure they’ve got people working on those right now. Perhaps there’s even a prize for the best one.
No need, plan B will be implemented and YouGov will just give the thickest of us a call and they can extrapolate from there.
The 2021 census is due on 21 March. I’ve just checked their website and there’s nothing to say it’s not happening, they are also recruiting for enumerators. They claim they have taken ‘covid precautions’. I wonder if this will go ahead though. I worked on a census years ago and there’s a lot of doorstopping involved. I can imagine there being an outcry about it being ‘unsafe’.
My census form is going straight into the fire. No co-operation with Fascists.
Plase don’t do that. The census records are among the most valuable documents for family historians and 100 years down the line one of your descendants may wish to check you out. Nothing to do with politics , the Victorian censuses that we find so useful were conducted at times of great hardship for many , and even war, but that does not detract from their importance.
Sorry mike, I’m sure what you say is correct. But no co-operation with these fuckers. Our dog will eat ours …
This ”unsafe” stuff would be hilarious if it wasn’t so infuriating. For example, the headline on the government’s flood information website:
‘‘Coronavirus – how we’re protecting our flood warning service..”
Oh, perleeeez.
We’re getting into Gulliver’s Travels territory.
I don’t give a damn about elections.
Playing democracy.
You honestly wonder if some of these people point at aircraft and avoid the cracks in the pavement.
That’s the worst excuse I can think of for cancelling an election. It’s more than pathetic. Bring your own fucking pencil then.
”Shared pencils”. You really need some warped imagination to think THAT one up.
I think they got that one from the teachers unions. They were talking about sharing pencils, etc,when they demanded schools closure.
It is as if we’re living in the Twilight Zone episode about the small town ruled by the whims of an omnipotent nine-year old boy who could vanish people in the blink of an eye when they displeased him.
“its a good day today” , originally I think a SF short story from F&SF or Galaxy.
If you had real pros they’d have the Dominion machines ready to go.
Bring your own pencil – sorted.
The Earth is not fragile, humans are.
On the 1st of June 2020 I wrote a list of things we could do freely (prior to the first lockdown, anyway). Let’s see how many remain now:
Travel to other countries.
Travel within our own countries.
Travel whenever we like.
Use the internet without obvious restrictions.
Seek gainful employment.
Set up our own business.
Visit whoever we like.
Frequent businesses of any type.
Eat at restaurants.
Eat meat.
Purchase whatever we like either on the high street or online.
Communicate without known surveillance.
Purchase property.
Have children and maintain familial connections.
Keep close contact with other people.
Play sport.
That list makes me determined to eat a huge juicy Argentinian Rumpsteak tomorrow.
Lots of supermarket adverts for vegan-ary. Fill up the freezer.
Vegan-uary, like Dry January can f&ck right off.
January is depressing enough in a normal year!
This is where I (as a libertarian minded individual) deviate from the sceptic consensus, pre-covid19 we only had an illusion of freedom & rights. Being free to consume the crap they produce isn’t freedom, having the right to choose which brand to consume isn’t a right worth having.
Our civilization is awash with so many laws, rules, regulations & class prejudice you can not exist on this planet without reliance on the heavily controlled monetary system. Almost everything is regulated you need a licence, permit, authorisation to do just about anything.
We don’t & never did have freedom & that is due to societies desire for safety & security. Even libertarians accept the need for basic reasoned law but I also diverge from most libertarians belief to “Own” land as a right, rights actually take away others freedoms.
Here we are 2021 you can now demand a right to good health by taking everyone elses freedom away from them & place healthy people under house arrest just in case. At huge cost to society paying them with other peoples money that hasn’t even been produced or earned yet.
Philosophically how is asserting a right to nature, geography, geology & preventing others setting up home on unoccupied ‘territory’ reasonable? Our societies are absurdly hypocritical, at some point humanity will consume itself, over burdened with the neo-liberal rules based order, I fear we are close to that time & have reached a pivotal moment in industrial civilisation.
This is a newly published from Sweden C-19 deaths per million. Comparing April peak and winter peak.
Perhaps difficult to read but everything black and blue is Stockholm and its surroundings. Stockholm dotted black. Yellow is Gothenburg in West Sweden and red is Skane, South Sweden.
It is clear that herd immunity is building up and the worst affected areas in the April peak has lower deaths now but other areas especially in the south is catching up. The virus is sweeping through the whole country not stopped by anything SD whatever you call it and selecting places which was spared or relatively spared the last time.
When you say ”sweeping the country” I presume you don’t mean people dropping dead in the streets?
Absolutely not.Most people don’t notice any symptoms. Sweden made the same mistake as others.Started mass testing in summer,and shocked and hysteria of lots of cases in the summer,but no deaths as you can see above.This moralizing hysteria spread to politicians now meddling a bit. Had they followed flu pandemic guidelines,they should have opened up completely May,no mass testing and more people would have been immune now.
Thank you – I said it sort of tongue-in-cheek really. That’s what I’d hoped you’d say.
This is another good Sweden graph
She is 100% bananas, nuts, cuckoo, stir fry, whatever your preferred term.
This drive to insist customers wear a mask in supermarkets? What’s the point?
If 100% mask wearing is achieved what does that achieve? A 1% increase in their use?
How many infections will be reduced thereby have they calculated?
Has it not been ascertained that people get infected mostly in other locations other than supermarkets? Hospital, care homes, even by one’s own domestic hearth?
I really doubt it would reduce infections by even 0.1% – quite likely by nothing at all. (but then what do I know?)
Neither here nor there – so why the fuss? Why the song and dance?
I can only come back to what I’ve suggested earlier. It is scapegoating – to cover up for the government’s failure.
Or, alternatively – it’s not about infections!
‘Neither here nor there – so why the fuss? Why the song and dance?’
Masks are not about health and safety, they are and always have been about social control.
Why can the zombie majority not see this? It’s so fuckin obvious! I despair!
You’re just a ConSpiraCY TheoRIst
Visible compliance gives Johnson a hardon; defiance makes him go flaccid.
Add in the need for a scapegoat for what is now by any metric crushingly obvious failure, and you have a complete explanation.
Poor Rona isn’t relevant, and she hasn’t been for ages.
Oh, I don’t think they see it as ”failure”. I’m sure it’s considered a great success. They’ve almost got us where they want us, after all.
You ay scapegoating, I say control and compliance.
They’ve got nothing left to do. Except say, “Um, we are really sorry but sometimes some people can’t recover from a virus and they die. End of. Death is a fact of life.” The only thing the government has “failed” at is telling the truth about death. That WE ALL DIE. It’s a really horrible thought but instead of thinking about death, enjoy your life, go out, have fun, enjoy your friends and family, work hard, play hard… oh wait!
Yes, easy target
Cults always double down.
Covidianism is a cult.
The mask effect is certainly at herd effect anyway. It’s saturated. This is about compliance and conformity. Yellow Stars next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Lmoyw7QH4 Liam Fox on the BBC reporting of the pandemic
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6222256833001 Astra Zeneca problems in Australia
Thank you Mr Fox! That headline from the BBC was so grossly sensationalised – but the sheep won’t ask any questions, they’ll just gasp and accept it
” ‘What do I do?’
‘Nothing, dear, you’re not qualified!’ ”
(Monty Python’s The Meaning Of Life).
Seems like these days we’re not qualified to step outside and “exercise” 5 miles from our home (unless we are…)
And by the way – 1980’s birth? you don’t know you’re born! Try a 1970’s birth – the winter of discontent, the oil crisis, the three day week, computers with less power than a modern calculator…
Oh, that’s nothing! Try Eastern Europe in the 60s and 70s. People actually, physically fighting in a shoe shop – there was a delivery of shoes meant for export to the West.
1970s were great! Particularly up until ’76.
Indeed – not Paradise, but pretty good in comparison.
So, um, how many of you guys are going to have the vaccine?
Me? 58, going to pass on that one for the mo’.
The Monster Raving Lockdown Party.
Forgot about that one!
Just found this about Invermectin. It’s banned in South Africa. Criminalised, it seems!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B82Y2XXLQ_k
Yeah – SA is totally onboard.
Yep totally in the pocket of big pharma – we would rather have people dying than treating them with an inexpensive drug
I notice the MSM is going completely nutty now. We are not even through the looking glass anymore, I think we are stuck somewhere in the imagination of Salvador Dali. Facebook is just streams of zealots telling people to wear masks. Now they’ve even decided one mask isn’t enough, you need two, and a visor preferably. All other problems don’t matter, NOTHING AT ALL MATTERS EXCEPT COVID. It is the pandemic of the Instagram epoch.
It’s going to get really bad until we are so far down the line it isn’t humanly possible to keep up and all the OTHER problems spill out on to the streets. Then, and ONLY then will people be forced to confront their problems.
It’s going to be real nasty. We are already traversing the biggest depression the world has ever seen and it’s not yet dawned on people only because of debt. The Government and individuals are borrowing vast sums on all our potential futures to pretend they can still put food on the table for just a few more months.
Yep.
Agreed – and that’s good.
Think of it like a pendulum.
We can’t drag the pendulum over to our side right now, but the further, and the more violently, the pendulum swings to their side, the more momentum it will have as it comes back to us.
I actually think there will be one hell of a backlash.
I think our best strategy is laying low while the animals eat each other.
Yes, the mood is such that we can do little right now.
We are clearly well into collective hysteria.
As tragic as it is it is a fascinating time to be alive.
Reason will triumph in the end, because survival demands it.
Apart from the fact that I am unable to work or get paid because of the lunacy, I would agree. This is going to end in an absolute shit shower and maybe all e can do is stand back with our sceptic macs on and let it happen.
All we will have is an “I told you so” but I’ll be damned if I’m not going to use that to ultimate extent. Oh that, and suing the arse of the guilty ones.
Hmm… I wonder if when it swings away from us and starts battering “them” that we could put a large piece of rubber or something in the middle so it keeps bouncing back and hitting “them” even more?
We have to be ready to catch it at the extreme and tether it.
Ok, I know the analogy breaks down a bit.
Worst thing next to a war lost is a war won (from a film about Waterloo).
It’s gonna be grim, however it turns out.
Ramping up of lies is a sign that the liars feel like they losing their hold
Funny isn’t it? They’ll be wearing hazmat suits by the end of the week. Meanwhile the “stubborn minority” will continue being just that.
The nightly broadcasts are deliberately trying to blind people with science, so much so they can’t understand anything now and look at the easiest option, ‘its the masks’, the propaganda is making them paranoid when most don’t know anyone who has even had it.
Seriously, how long before I risk being sacked at work for not taking a pcr/lateral flow test, or not wearing a face covering?
And surely all this nonsense is going to mess up the economy quite badly, even outside of the millions who will starve in the third world (and am I right to suspect that some would gloss over a million third world deaths if they thought it was saving a thousand UK lives?)
Seeing as science cannot be a religion without ceasing to be science, and seeing as it is whatever they say it is, the new religion is in actual fact WILL.
Nietzsche was right, there are masters, slaves and those who choose to exercise their own will. The government has placed WILL on a pedestal, not divine will, not the will of the people, but the will of shady power groups and individuals. They WILL that all shall do as they “model” and that’s that. The people evidenty don’t yet have the tools to see this, they are duped and consequently are refusing to exercise their own wills.
Yes, this is exactly the problem. Also – technocracy.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-new-infections-feared-to-be-up-to-250-000-a-day-and-pressure-on-nhs-may-not-reduce-until-march-12186135 -seriously how is that possible? But if true herd immunity is closer.
At what point does the cognitive dissonance kick in? 80,000,000 infections per day?
Surely this is a result of obsessive testing? Or perhaps the figures are made up – and why not? How would we know?
And isn’t ”pressure on the NHS” due to many staff being sent home, or going home, to ”self isolate”? Or the ”covid wards” being the areas that are ”under pressure” because everybody is tested on admission and are put into these wards no matter what their medical problem is?
If you watch the ‘number of people vaccinated’ ticker on that page, it goes up and down like a yo yo, if you refresh the page…
i wonder who is getting vaccinated at near midnight anyway.
It’s always ‘the government scientists telling Downing Street’
Which is exactly how it is.
Hancock will never say; ‘hang on a minute…’
But you think someone would.
So…the PM and his cronies can have a gaff and a laugh with vaccine providers and volunteers. The police and have a laugh and a chat with eachother (as I observed today on a walk to the park with my kids). Shelf stackers can have a giggle and a flirt in the isle … but if YOU dare stop in the street, or grab a coffee, or chat with a neighbour at the end of the drive you are a murderer! What bull-sh*t is this?
Well, they’ve been designated essential, silly!
And can someone please tell me what the police are likely to have done about the grocer’s near me where people were running in and nicking things, with nothing being done about it by the police (at the time the owner mentioned it to me a couple of years ago). Or perhaps things have changed now in this enlightened era…
Oh, and I can have a brew with work colleagues ( and perhaps I’m not alone?) Perhaps that’s the next thing they’ll put a stop to.
The one good thing about masks is that is now extraordinarily easy to shoplift.
Exactly if its so contagious why are the police routinely going around in large groups with little or no social distancing! Mixing & conversing with every other human they encounter! Still using unnecessary physical contact & placing their victims in confined high infection risk environments.
Who exactly are the super spreaders here? Its systemic cognitive dissonance & institutionalised covid spreading is what it is.
My partner got home about an hour ago, he called in at a petrol station on the outskirts of Glasgow on his way back – one of those wee ones that has a ridiculous red/green light above the door to tell you when you’re ‘allowed’ to go in without accidental granny killing.
Anyway he joined the queue outside – one man was already waiting there and said to my partner what a load of wank all these restrictions were. On my partner’s way out, he muttered to the woman who’d joined the queue behind him what a load of shite all the restrictions were, and she agreed bitterly and said it “had all gone far enough”.
So out of two random strangers plus my partner at some random Scottish petrol station, that’s not just a 100% sceptic rate – that’s a simmering anger building up in the general public such that random folk will now whinge and complain to perfect strangers in the street!
Friends, I do believe the tide may be turning. And no doubt whatever shite Boris and Krankie announce tomorrow will be yet another tipping point. Even my respectable, conscientious, morally upstanding middle-class colleagues were grumbling about Krankie’s upcoming takeaway ban today!!
The fear-mongers are overplaying their hand, and their evil spell is breaking.
Oh, wouldn’t that be good. It’d be great to sleep all through the night without waking up at 4 am with an awful sick and sinking feeling that the world is shrivelling and dying around us. It’s when I’m at my most pessimistic.
For me it’s when I first wake up and realize I woke up but the nightmare persists.
Yes, exactly – I’m trying to get used to the idea that it’s not going to end in my lifetime.
It’s early days yet, but I think in the UK the powers that be actually cooked their goose on the 19th December when they 180’d to cancel Christmas and shit all over everyone’s plans. There has been no trust or good will towards the authorities since then, and with closing the schools they’ve taken another huge dump all over working parents and their kids. People want all this stuff to stop, and for their ‘sacrifices’ to have meant something – not rabid hectoring, guilt tripping and being sent to the naughty step for another undefined period of time by politician scum who don’t even keep their own rules.
The summer excitement of playing at being a wartime hero by wearing a mask to the shops and socialising over boozy Zoom calls has well and truly burst, and the vast majority of folk just want (and need) things to go back to normal now. As soon as these people realise they are in fact in the majority, the game is up. I think that’s why the telescreens are shrieking so loudly now – it’s a frantic bid to control the narrative by doubling down on fear and trying to divert the blame to sceptics and ‘rule breakers’.
But people aren’t frightened anymore – apart from the 10% of certifiable lunatics and cretins. The general public mood is actually turning to anger. Anger with the rules and restrictions, and anger at the government itself for failing to win the war on covids – despite the past ten months of massive public compliance and sacrifice.
And anger at the NHS for being so cretinously incompetent.
I agree with this, but I think you have hit on what is our single greatest obstacle in persuading the wider public: ‘People want … their ‘sacrifices’ to have meant something’
This is the problem. The sacrifices have been pointless. They have achieved nothing.
The psychology is that of a defeated nation in the closing months of a war (ironic, given the mock-Churchillian ‘war on Covid’ nonsense). People can’t quite bring themselves to believe it has all been for nothing. Easier to dress the fourteen-year-olds as soldiers and send them to the front to buy another fortnight, and put your faith in the scientists developing wonder weapons, than admit it has all been a horrible waste. A waste with now benefits, that will have to be paid for long into the future.
Reality is a tricky sell, when things have been managed this badly.
This is certainly true, but the mental juggernaut can definitely be turned for some of them. I think it might depend on the urgency of their personal circumstances? For sure, the true covid believers are invested in this game and will turn the country upside down and destroy anything and everything before they confront the truth of their hysteria – and the truth of the damage their hysteria has caused everyone else – these lunatics will never accept their complicity because they are delusional moral cowards.
But for others – people who have jobs, kids, aspirations, dreams – the majority of young people, working parents, and professionals – these people are suffering and it’s not sustainable. My line manager told me he is starting work at 4am each day and going until lunchtime, then child minding two young kids all afternoon while his wife works, then replying to work emails all evening since his kids’ nursery school has failed to reopen. He doesn’t talk politics, but I can tell he is absolutely raging at the prospect of this going on until March. I’ve also heard a few cynical comments in meetings this week from senior managers that suggest something has changed internally with these folk recently – before Christmas they were all jolly for the vaccine and quietly getting on with preparing for Christmas. Now they make jaded comments about “how hard” it is for everyone and sound exhausted.
I think a lot of these people are at snapping point already, and are fast approaching the time that they will do anything to make this shitshow stop. If they are told the vaccine will not release them from lockdown, they will turn on the government in a heartbeat.
They are playing the sam forevere game as the Soviet Union by promising a radiant future just around the corner in exchange for one more sacrifice.
Compliance was near universal but belief was continually eroded so that when the end came it was so sudden.
+357 thumbs up
Sturgeon tomorrow:-
‘Let’s be crystal clear’
‘Make no mistake’
‘Firm action’
‘We won’t hesitate’
‘As First Minister of Scotland’
Repeat ad nauseum.
“Fandabidozi”
Well I’m bored with Boris bingo, I migh try that instead.
The power of casual chat thus the reason they are now murmuring shutting takeaways, markets, click and collect (as per DM) people standing and chatting. Double masks, well that proposal sounds like a gag, nothing less.
Hit piece now on Ivor Cummins with lockdown zealot Gabriel Scally the man being used to deliver the dirt.
This is Gabriel if you haven’t come across him:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/epidemiologist-on-cost-of-second-lockdown-coronavirus/
He’s a zero Covid fanatic. Which is fine, it’s insane, but each to their own.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-in-ireland-lockdown-sceptic-promises-crowdfunded-documentary-d2mn0cxjp
Ivor is getting attacked quite heavily in 2021. Things are hotting up. The article says he was approached for comment but declined. He was, after the article had been released. Disgraceful stuff.
Excellent – if they are going after Ivor they must be very, very scared. They know they are losing control of that narrative – and honestly, where is there left for them to go now?
If I was enabling an hysterical clusterfuck of incompetence and corruption the last person I’d want to be pointing people to was Ivor Cummins.
The line is breaking, people.
I thought the same. I think this may have a galvanising effect on his followers.
I wouldn’t get over-excited, but they can’t get by now without flagrant lies
It’s not fine as you know. These zero covid nutters would rather have everyone dead in order to eliminate the virus. They are insane.
I do wonder if some locky lovers are genuinely suffering from some kind of mental illness. It would explain why even some intelligent people buy into it.
There’s probably a number of disabilities and neuroses involved (both natural and induced), but the mock-‘scientists’ backing the government line (who seem to have abandoned any connection with recognisable science) definitely show common signs of autistic tendencies and general psychopathy.
Yes. Particularly Neil Ferguson and Whitty.
And Gabriel Scally!
All I see in the linked Twitter thread is hate from presumably people who say they care about others. It’s DA responding to a Tweet by JHB.
I’ve always thought the most evil people are those who claim to be saints.
David Aaronovitch
@DAaronovitch
https://twitter.com/DAaronovitch/status/1348947539807121409
Aaronovitch, the Guardian’s enfant terrible, massive dickhead.
Don’t insult dicks.
Well this report on the institutionalised infanticide within the Irish Catholic Church was released today. So your feeling about saints as the ultimate sinners could jot be starker.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55620124
The details are incredibly grim. The report itself was to be sealed but only released after public pressure. State cover ups galore.
Horrible comments. Is this what they call a Twitter mob?
i understand it’s called scientism, though computer modelling is not proper science.
if people take just one thing from this tragedy – there’s no such thing as the science!
True science is the study of nature, natural sciences eg. physics, biology chemistry to obtain objective truth, are worthy disciplines. Applied science, subjective & emotive to advance the interests of our species has been hijacked & parasitised by corporate scientists, the peer review process has sold out & been bought by nihilistic neo-liberals, they are like the black death killing everything they infect.
Can you beleive this? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/id-lick-vaccine-boris-johnsons-23306751
I’ve been watching the reports filtering in from around the world on all the side effects and deaths from these concoctions. The Angel of Death will be visiting many of these clamourers soon enough. Maybe Boris’s spokesman is correct about demand – which is maybe why there’s a ramping up of the fear.
Wow, that does it for me then …
next election – when’s that then? (maybe not May from what I’ve heard)
No right to protest, no right to go outside unless the government has given us special permission, elections possibly postponed – and this is a free country?
They’re cancelling events due to be staged in June now. A quiet word has been had?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-55637588
The British Heart foundation spokesman cancelling this charity bike ride said it was a ‘‘heartbreaking’ decision!
I thought you were actually joking until I looked myself
The Schizophrenia Society said they were in two minds over it.
The RNIB said they couldn’t see it happening either.
There will be nothing this summer, six people in the garden maybe before testing steps up again in September. That’s my prediction.
If the ‘rules’ aren’t going to become a joke long before then, the police will be grinding out FPNs like there’s no tomorrow (not for BLM obvs), and the courts clogged.
It may be my annoying infectious positivity, but there does seem to be a hint of desperation up top. Shellfire audible in Johnson’s bunker.
When is the next Downfall parody due?
If they try do this another winter the pretence is up and even the zealots will know thery have been had.
Yes. The slow of understanding have encouraged the indefinite continuation of this shit-show.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1348923155507773441
Good thread from Mike Yeadon on why the grim modelling that came out in Summer waring of 200,000 winter deaths was impossible. Seasonal resurgence, like flu but the epidemic is self limiting and could never have matched the SAGE models.
He’s just so obviously right isn’t he.
No he’s wrong. LS followers need to distance themselves from Yeadon. He’s been banging on about herd immunity since May. It’s clear we are nowhere near herd immunity.
While there may be some misattribution of deaths, these are not the majority. NHS staff are more than aware that there are increasing numbers of very sick patients with distinct Covid symptoms.
I see the 77th B is still posting.
So how do you explain essentially normal mortality for the time of year? And what caused the drop in deaths back in spring? Lockdown?
It’s not normal.
They should be arguing the case that lockdowns have no benefit.
Sorry – replied to wrong person.
Do tell, what should lockdown sceptics be in arguing for?
Hi Mayo,
I’ve been interested to know for a while, what policy re: Covid do you support?
You are always clear that you oppose lockdowns, but frequently challenge what count for majority views on this board. So, where do you stand? What would you consider to be the right approach re: Covid?
Yes, and please highlight how you would avoid all the non-covid consequences?
Thumbs up for still chipping away there Ovis. Like what you are doing here.
“there may be some misattribution of deaths”
Indeed. The ‘some’ is probably 70%+
“It’s clear we are nowhere near herd immunity”
Really? I can’t find anyone in our pretty large circle of friends and family who have Covid, despite the pockets that can be expected to exist.
Clearly – hospitalisations for respiratory disease are around normal for the time of year; testimony from staff dealing with such are always high, because they observe a concentraion.
The incidence estimates based on PCR testing are obviously wildly overstated.
I see you have got bored posting on the DT site. You are going to have to be a bit more inventive to be convincing on this site.
Hang on a minute. Hundreds march? I thought these things were banned. Why are the police not hitting them with batons and attacking the women folk?
Oooops!! Silly me
Come on Priti, set your thugs on this lot
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55631618
Good for them, my enemies enemy is my friend.
These are the same people who support a global policy that is expected to kill 1.4 million children in Africa, and who film themselves pulling down statues of people no one has heard of while wearing clothes made by muslim slaves in China.
The most disturbing thing to me about them, even more than the hypocrisy, is how the political agenda has managed to be seized by quite frankly the most stupid bunch of child-minded morons you could possibly imagine. They’ll rage against some forgotten colonialist because its easy and it involves no sacrifice on their part, then they’ll post about it on their phones made from the blood and sweat of child labour in Africa – without seeing they are literally the same people as those they rail against, doing the same thing: ignoring where their cheap goods come from. The only difference being, pulling down a statue saves no one, ditching your phone does.
I can tolerate anything – any opinion, any personal trait – anything except stupidity.
The 4th Amendment of the US Constitution is now well and truly dead:
L.A. County Tells Residents To Wear Masks Inside Own Homes | ZeroHedge
Police can now kick in any American’s door on the merest suspicion of non-compliance.
Lockdowns clearly have no effect
I’ve read somewhere (probably on Ivor Cummins Twitter) that Scot Atlas has joined PANDA.
He has. As an advisor. Their advisory board is impressive
How can the government persistently ignore this man?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/12/not-polices-job-enforce-lockdown-whims-ministers/
One of the most sensible commenters in the whole charade.
My intention, should I be approached by the police accusing me of breaking phoney Corony ‘laws’, is to say and do absolutely nothing.
Should I be arrested I will identify myself to the desk sergeant then wait for the Duty Solicitor to arrange my release having informed the sergeant that I will be suing for unlawful detention during my time spent in the police cell.
Thats the spirit, do not engage, comply with only that empowered by law. If they get physical, stay calm, try not to resist & simply lodge a complaint of unnecessary force to the custody sergeant (for later use in court). Police complaints process is purposely pointless but its evidence for your day in court.
Excellent
HSBC apparently to close the accounts of those not wearing masks, unless medically exempt. How incredibly sinister.
Enemy Of The State revisited.
My banking has been entirely online for at least ten years. The only problem this presents is how to get rid of an out of date banknote should I be so foolish as to accept it.
HSBC can do one.
On the other hand this ruling can only possibly apply to in person visits to a branch which is something all the high street banks have been trying reduce for years. Goes along with their longterm strategy.
Exactly. Even the locky lovers won’t really want to wear those face nappies if they don’t have to.
I suppose Mexican drug cartel operatives who go round chopping people’s heads off wore masks when depositing money to be laundered, so they should be ok at least…
Old news: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hsbc-usa-idUSKBN1E50YA
Yeah, right. Who are the idiots in these companies that dream this shit up?
So I show up at a branch, tell them that I am exempt, and they don’t believe me so ask me to leave. How do they know which account to close?
File this under… I don’t even know which category to file it under because the world is so mad now. But it isn’t going to happen. It will make some nutters on Twitter happy though.
Banks generally aren’t keen on closing accounts unless its their decision, a win win for the banks, same as it ever was!
Yeah, it’s obviously ludicrous in practice. It’s more that the bank or the media are willing to issue such threats in the first place.
From the roundup
leftlockdownsceptics.com
Imagine Toby and the team had a day off and instead of original content decided to post a summary of what we know after 9 months of Covid and lockdown.
They could do worse than copy’npaste the entire leftlockdownsceptics.com introduction which, while offering nothing new, contains little that most of us might find controversial.
Welcome aboard.
a good summary of events and coming after that letter the other day signed by Simon Dolan and others it’s good to get a clear idea of where we are at.
I know it’s been up before, but this display of calm decorum and ‘bugger the rest of the world’ attitude is such a great antidote to the Madness.
(And still single figure daily deaths…)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22v2TCbLdNg
Not my idea of fun but it beats the video of a US Prom with the dancers tied back to back.
Wonderful – civilization instead of madness.
I like this quote by the writer Mark Barrowcliffe: An obsession is a way for damaged people to damage themselves more.
The problem is that they’re damaging everyone and everything without batting an eyelid or listening to anyone else’s point of view.
A perfect description of the current nightmare.
Apt, very apt.
They will never hear anything we say if their eyes are closed.
Too true, they disconnected the audio a while back.
Who wrote this, citing a well know Danish study?
”
Evidence on the protective effect of mask use in community settings
At present there is only limited and inconsistent scientific evidence to support the effectiveness of masking of healthy
people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including SARS-CoV-2 (75). A large randomized community-based trial in which 4862 healthy participants
were divided into a group wearing medical/surgical masks and a control group found no difference in infection with SARS-CoV-2 (76). A recent systematic review found nine trials (of which eight were cluster-randomized controlled trials in which clusters of people, versus individuals, were randomized) comparing medical/surgical masks versus no
masks to prevent the spread of viral respiratory illness. Two trials were with healthcare workers and seven in the
community. The review concluded that wearing a mask may make little or no difference to the prevention of influenza-like illness (ILI) (RR 0.99, 95%CI 0.82 to 1.18) or laboratory confirmed illness (LCI) (RR 0.91, 95%CI 0.66-1.26) (44); the certainty of the evidence was low for ILI, moderate for LCI.”
World Health Organisation
Mask use in the context of COVID-19 Interim guidance
1 December 2020
Oh remember how they told us that masking was the reason for no flu globally this year?
Ah, the WHO, you can’t fault their desire to please.
Knock knock – WHO’s there – Doctor – Doctor WHO – Yes it’s Tedros, how may I help you?
Fnar, David Tennant would be better.
Welcome to your nth plate of manure:
One Mask Is Good. Would Two Be Better?Health experts double down on their advice for slowing the spread of the coronavirus
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/health/coronavirus-masks-transmission.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Of course.
The cult must increase the humiliation of heretics.
It’s their holy mission.
Stop the train. I wanna get off.
“One mask good.
Two masks better”
immediately sprang to mind but I can’t remember where from.
Animal Farm
Four legs good, two legs baa-d.
I rather think karenovirus already knew that!
DavidC
I have no problem with this – if people want to put on two or three or fifteen masks until they suffocate, that’s their choice.
On world mental health day I went round Tesco with a nappy attached to my face using black masking tape. It was hard to breathe, but I had enough time to get 4 beers before passing out.
Keep going – do it for all of us – it’s your duty.
I suppose it might be time to do it again soon, if it saves just one life… (I’ll take a mask exempt badge for my child just in case someone beats her up)
It’s not the choice part that the issue. There’s a good chance it may become mandatory.
There are some places around the world that are starting to mandate higher specification masks.
If N95s become the mandate expect to see people falling in the streets!
DavidC
Its official then “The science” is dead now they’re practising ‘The Witch craft‘ .
Please sir, can we stop eating this shit?
Was on this myself back in June. Masks stop others catching plague from you but not you catching it from them. Well, something sparked deep inside. What if, what, if, we wear one mask normal wise and one mask reversewise. All bases covered. Sadly Im neither a research fellow or gates employed prat so no one listened. Should have patented the genius though.
Now thats something i agree with
This was posted a few days ago but I feel it needs posting again so you can share this with your covid zealot ex friends
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/pdf/jhyg00082-0026.pdf
An outbreak of common colds at an Antarctic base after seventeen weeks of complete isolation
Antarctica didn’t lockdown hard enough.
Actually worth reading in full to experience the genuine sprit of enquiry and scientific rectitude . We’re a long, long way from 1973, heading backwards at the speed of light.
UK front page prize of the day – OH yes folks it’s “The Sun” (again):
JEZ WE CAN – as part of the Sun’s Jabs Army series – Jeremy (tosser) Clarkson issued a rallying call to get Britain vaccinated saying “Join the Sun’s JAB Army”. He used a traffic cone to show what an enormous dickhead he is (if we didn’t know already).
Seb Gorka from America First said that he had a bout with Covid over Xmas. He took HCQ and Ivermectin. Didn’t need a vaccine.
https://omny.fm/shows/america-first-with-sebastian-gorka/battle-for-1600-episode-46-the-future-of-maga
Good spot. There’s a great big hole where the truth oughta be.
Deutsche Bank just dumped Trump.Twitter, Facebook as well. Talk about a coup d’état.
Not one court, one judge, state or federal, listened to in court testimony about the allegations of election fraud from Trump’s legal team. In the United States of America. Not China. That’s a coup d’état folks. Beware.
Isn’t it odd how nothing has changed yet positive tests and deaths are on the rise. If anything, I would guess that people would have isolated themselves even more than normal over the Christmas period, especially with how the fear was turned up to 11 before and after the break. Yes, many would have seen relatives on the day itself, but certainly no partying with people you don’t know.
For me, science can take a running jump for now because it is proving to be more of a hindrance than a help. Someone posted on the thread earlier today about cocks postulate (I prefer the vulgar spelling). I am of the same opinion that if it cannot be isolated and symptoms are wide, varied or, in most cases, nonexistent, what on earth are these scientists measuring or looking for? More to the point, what condition are doctors and nurses treating people for who are so ill they need to be admitted to hospital? Do patients exhibit flu like symptoms but are treated for Covid off the back of a positive PCR test? Who knows?
Anyway. If the figures are taken at face value and the test is still as accurate or inaccurate as it was before, I can only think of 2 explanations. The most obvious is it simply being winter and many elderly die when the weather is cold, dragged to hospital or stuck in a care home and being tested up till the end until a positive test is confirmed. Sad but true. The second is that the only real change has been the ramping up of vaccinations which, from memory, started in the run up to Christmas. Am I right in saying that the primary age bracket for vaccinations is the elderly and the average age of death for ‘with Covid’ is still over 80?
Unlike positive tests, I have yet to see any figures quoting deaths within 28 days of having a vaccination.
“For me, science can take a running jump”
You mistake what it is : it’s the zealots who relish it taking a ‘running jump’.
What science? There hasn’t been much of that this last year.
Exactly. I suppose that was the point I was trying to make which RickH has pointed out – namely, it is those who relish it and use it to justify the nonsensical restrictions that are placed upon us who deserve my ire.
“Science is definitely the new religion”
No it’s not. What you are seeing with Covid zealotry isn’t worship of ‘Science’. It’s the perversion of it.
‘Science’ isn’t essentially a body of facts; it’s a process of thought – to which rational scepticism and the testing of hypotheses is central.
What we are seeing is a denial of that process, not its elevation.
We are in the same territory as the ‘scientific’ basis of eugenics and racial laws in Nazi Germany.
Breaking: It’s all over! Covid has won.
Johnson, Starmer, Whitty, Hancock and the rest of them cleared out late this evening. Disappeared. Offices empty, grace and favour flats deserted. Unconfirmed sightings of suspicious looking carnival folk going through Heathrow towards a flight to Belize.
Only Grand Admiral Dominic Raab was caught at his post. After a brief attempt to negotiate, within the last hour he signed the instrument of unconditional surrender to Covid. (As viruses are quite small, Toby Young dressed in a coronavirus costume, and accepted the surrender pp).
It is understood that Toby Young, still wearing the costume, will form a provisional government until the Great God Covid himself makes his will known through a General Election. Covid has stipulated, however, that only sixteen of the current MPs are eligible to stand as candidates or, indeed, hold any public office.
Hail Covid!
Perhaps not the end we wanted, but at least we can move on now.
[I’m sorry to have to admit, none of that is true. But I had fun writing it. And there is a serious point buried in the silliness. Good night, all]
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2021-01-12T11_36_30-08_00
Enjoy the Richie Allen Radio show from early evening today. Its a particularly good show dealing well with the plague they’ve put on.
My final thought of the day:
The ends don’t justify the means
The government have announced that in order to combat COVID-19, we all need to avoid touching as many surfaces as possible because this will increase the chances of transmitting the virus.
A new groundbreaking study by the WHO has confirmed that if we all hop on one leg (THE SAME ONE mind you) for the entire duration of our weekly visit to the supermarket, we can decrease the R rate by 357%.
Tesco have announced that they have developed new AI technology that can monitor CCTV cameras and identify shoppers who are walking normally or have switched legs at any time during their shop.
A spokesperson for Tesco said “We have managed to keep people safe by requiring that all members of staff and shoppers remain hopping on the same leg during their entire time in our buildings. We are also cleaning the floors more than usual and require our staff and customers to disinfect their designated foot every 30 meters. Any customers falling foul of the new regulations will be banned from all of our stores.”
Sainsburys has followed suit, urging the government to imprison people who flout these new guidelines.
Better tell Morrisons.
A good rant;
ONE PISSED OFF DOCTOR – MASKS ARE KILLING YOU – TAKE THEM OFF NOW! – PLEASE SHARE THIS VIDEO
This sort of thing was predicted here by many posters when masks became a thing.
Its not my taste, but whatever floats your boat.
Jonny Dart – Never get the vac*ine official video.