Trump Administration Backs Great Barrington Declaration
In a big boost to the anti-lockdown movement, one of President Donald Trump’s key advisers on coronavirus, Professor Scott Atlas, tweeted yesterday that Trump’s policies align with the anti-lockdown Great Barrington Declaration.
The federal system in America means most public health policy sits with the states and lower tiers of government so Trump is limited in what he can change. Nonetheless, to have the leader of the free world, according to one of his closest advisers, standing with anti-lockdown science and policymaking can only help to turn things around.
“Extremely likely” Second Wave Within Three Weeks, Says Government
Leaked public health documents sent to public health staff around Greater Manchester and Lancashire reveal the Government is predicting a second wave in the North West of England even worse than the first within the next three weeks. Here’s an excerpt from the document, as quoted in the Mail:
It is reasonable to assume no impact can be made in the increasing trend in bed occupancy for at least the next two weeks, as these cases have already occurred. Even if a full scale lockdown was called tomorrow bed occupancy would continue to rise after the next two weeks as hospital beds fill quicker than they empty for Covid patients.
During the first peak in April hospital bed occupancy reached its maximum point in the North West at 2,890 on April 13th. It is extremely likely that this will happen in 17 to 22 days. If nothing changes in terms of downward pressure on R [reproduction rate] in the next 10 days, hospital bed occupancy will start to approach 6,000 in 30 to 35 days. This is double the number of beds occupied at the peak in the North West in April.
Separately, Chief Medical Officer Dr Chris Whitty reportedly told MPs yesterday that intensive care patient numbers in the North West could hit April levels within three weeks if they continue at the current rate. But will they? Case numbers nationally as of yesterday are nowhere near the level projected by Sir Patrick Vallance’s graph of doom. Whitty has been predicting a much deadlier winter wave since April, so he is heavily invested in the idea.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out, and whether, as in Madrid and elsewhere, “downward pressure on R” appears all by itself and puts the brakes on. Given the leaked Government document itself admits any additional interventions will have been too late, should this happen (and you’d have to bet on it) it will be a key point for sceptics to press.
Is Vitamin D a Silver Bullet?
Dr Mikko Paunio, a Finnish epidemiologist and Lockdown Sceptics contributor, has written an original article for us today praising an Israeli study that shows just how effective vitamin D is in preventing COVID-19 infection. He is an advisor to the Finnish Government and believes that if entire populations take vitamin D supplements lockdown restrictions can be lifted.
As a cabinet officer in the Ministry of Social Affairs and Health of Finland, I am convinced that Finland’s COVID-19 control strategy should now include recommendations of vitamin D supplements to all age groups except children. Daylight is becoming shorter by the day. Thus, our ability to produce vitamin D in skin diminishes markedly. As a seasoned epidemiologist and public health specialist, I consider it scientifically proven that high levels of vitamin D provide both protection against severe COVID-19, but even more importantly there is strong evidence that high vitamin D levels slow markedly virus circulation and might even provide ‘herd immunity’ to populations according to a study published a month ago. It is as yet non-peer-reviewed but already can be considered a milestone study. It is a remarkable matched case control study of 52,405 COVID-19 cases and 524,050 matched controls picked up from Clalit Health Services (CHS), which provides comprehensive health services to over 4.6 million members in Israel.
Vitamin D now appears to provide us with a silver bullet solution to protect the most vulnerable and provides us with the means to get rid of these socially disastrous lockdowns even before there is a vaccine available.
The Great Barrington Declaration, which has been signed by almost 4,300 public epidemiologists and health specialists, around 7,700 medical professionals and 108,000 members of the general public, calls for protecting the most vulnerable and opening up society. Vitamin D supplements could significantly improve public acceptance of this alternative strategy, which would allow us to normalise societies.
Are you listening Witless and Unbalanced?
Worth reading in full.
Focused Protection “Not Achievable” – Health Minister
Health minister Nadine Dorries tweeted yesterday: “Isolating older at risk (over-60s) looks good on paper, in reality it is not achievable. Infections are brought into care homes by care workers, into private homes by those who do their shopping or others with whom they live. Into hospitals by staff. No one can live in isolation.”
So that’s that then. The Times appears to agree. After briefly flirting in a Wednesday editorial with the idea that the scientists behind the Great Barrington Declaration might have a point, yesterday their science correspondent Rhys Blakely reverted to lockdown orthodoxy with an attempted repudiation.
There are “three big areas of uncertainty,” he says. The first is Long Covid, though he does seem to accept that the impact of this condition by itself “would not be severe enough to warrant shutting down society”.
Next is herd immunity.
Is it attainable? “We do not know yet how long immunity will last, so achieving herd immunity may not be simple,” James Naismith, director of the Rosalind Franklin Institute, said.
Immunity from other illnesses caused by coronaviruses wanes over time. We do not have herd immunity to the common cold, for instance, despite many of us having one or more each year. Coming down with COVID-19 might reduce the severity of a subsequent infection, it may mean that you are less likely to transmit it if you catch it again — we just don’t know. Some experts believe that herd immunity will only be achievable with a good vaccine.
We just don’t know? There is an awful lot of evidence out there if one cares to look. Why else did the UK outbreak peak and decline before lockdown, as even Chris Whitty acknowledged to MPs in July? And why would a vaccine give immunity when infection doesn’t? They are priming the same immune system.
The third “area of uncertainty” is Dorries’s argument, and the main line the Government is taking – focused protection is unrealistic because it’s not practically possible to protect elderly and vulnerable people.
But just how much protection are you going to provide by imposing restrictions on the healthy population? It didn’t work in March and April and it’s unlikely to work now. The difference between Sweden and the UK is that the elderly and vulnerable in Sweden are now better protected than they are here because more people were exposed to the virus in the spring and summer.
It is true there are particular challenges where vulnerable people live with those of low risk. Rhys Blakely asks: “How does, say, a school-age child living with a parent with an underlying condition change their behaviour to protect them?” What he doesn’t acknowledge is that we’re already living with this dilemma. At least under “focused protection” it would only be for a few more months, with special arrangements in place, rather than indefinitely while we wait for the elusive vaccine.
As the GB Declaration says: “A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.”
Come on guys, this is the alternative to endless restrictions that are killing people and destroying our society and culture. Try to be a bit more open-minded.
Stop Press: Dr Mike Yeadon is on fire on Twitter. He has produced several threads recently rebutting all the objections to the Great Barrington Declaration. You can follow him here.
Who is Professor Devi Sridhar?
Professor Devi Sridhar advises the Scottish Government on public health and is a go-to person for the media, as here when Channel 4 gave her a platform this week to denounce the Great Barrington Declaration, written by some of the world’s leading scientists, as not “scientific” or “accurate”. But what are her qualifications? A Lockdown Sceptics reader has done some digging.
As an academic who has known other academics working in the field of Public Health, I am always baffled that the sainted Devi is allowed to denounce actual experts on the question of Covid, yet remain unchallenged as to the grounds of her own expertise.
What is the discipline of ‘Public Health’? Does it have anything to do with science? Or does it have more to do with finger-waving moralists who have a zeal for controlling the public and finding apparently reputable cover as ‘public health experts’ for their actions?
After some research I found out some more detail about Prof Sridhar – more than appears on her Wikipedia page (which is quite vague on specifics of her academic credentials, referring to things along the lines of “was a fellow in All Souls College, Oxford”, and the like).
She studied for her DPhil in the School of Social and Cultural Anthropology, with Prof Stanley Ulijaszek, a nutritional anthropologist (see her name listed under the heading: “former DPhil students”).
She subsequently became a postdoctoral fellow in the Department of Politics, All Souls College, University of Oxford. Take a look at this article preview, and you will see her credentials at the bottom of the first page of the article. The article opens with an interesting quotation: “Medicine [public health] is a social science, and politics is nothing but medicine [public health] on a large scale.”
As well as the remarkably swift rise from postdoc fellow to full professor at the age of 30 in 2014, with little more than six years postdoctoral experience under her belt, there is the question of how an expert in the field of public health, a sort of offspring of sociology and politics, is allowed to get away with rebuking some of the leading scientists and medics on the question of Covid?
And, can one perhaps find the roots of Sturgeon’s lockdown of pubs and banning of alcohol sales in Sridhar’s own long-standing advocacy of alcohol control measures (something she has published several articles about)? A tip: go to the online library catalogue at the University of Oxford and search her name, and you will find many articles, some letters to scientific journals, advocating the restriction of alcohol.
Just 14% of UK Covid “Cases” Symptomatic
A new study from UCL shines more light on the myth that a positive test is the same as a clinical “case”. From Medical Xpress:
86% of UK residents who tested positive for COVID-19 during lockdown did not have the specific virus symptoms (cough, and/or fever, and/or loss of taste/smell), finds a new study by UCL researchers. The authors say a more widespread testing programme is needed to catch ‘silent’ transmission and reduce future outbreaks.
The paper, which is published today in Clinical Epidemiology, used data from the Office for National Statistics Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey pilot study – a large population based survey looking at the association between COVID-19 symptoms and COVID-19 test results.
“Silent transmission”? How does that differ from “no transmission”, given how weak the evidence is that asymptomatic people actually infect others? Note that the ONS survey takes into account false positives (by double testing), unlike the other Government testing pillars. When false positives are factored in to the community testing date, the proportion with symptoms sinks even further.
Meanwhile, various studies have shown that only around 20-25% of those who have symptoms go on to test positive for antibodies (though they may be immune in other ways).
So let me get this straight. If you test positive for the virus you’re very unlikely to be unwell. And if you’re unwell you’re very unlikely to develop antibodies. Yet most people assume a positive test is a clinical case and will produce antibodies. No wonder all the data on this virus is contradictory and confusing.
Round-Up
- “At a time of national crisis, all we want is a Prime Minister with a plan” – Sir Keir Starmer in the Telegraph lacking a sense of irony as he exposes his own lack of plan. He calls on the Government to fix testing and involve local leaders. How about some actual opposition, Keir?
- “My manifesto to beat coronavirus crisis: Protect the elderly and vulnerable, let the rest live their lives, and throw Britain open again” – Prof David Livermore, signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration, sets out his case in the Mail. Stephen Glover lends his support
- “After a severe epidemic, South Africa appears to be approaching some herd immunity” – Excellent article by public health specialist Prof Jonny Myers in the Maverick Citizen
- “Madrid court annuls central government’s COVID-19 curbs on city” – Another legal victory for sceptics, reported in Reuters, though the Spanish Government is now threatening to force the issue the issue with a state of emergency anyway
- “Are pubs and restaurants really driving the rise in Covid cases? None of the data says so” – Dr Chris Whitty claims they are, but not according to the published data, says Sarah Knapton in the Telegraph
- “The Government’s bid to smear critics as in favour of ‘letting the virus rip’ is disgusting” – Prof Karol Sikora is not happy with the state of the public debate in the Telegraph
- “Could children have been our secret weapon against coronavirus?” – Good discussion of the Edinburgh paper on the Imperial model by Sarah Knapton in the Telegraph
- “London Mayor Sadiq Khan joins calls for review of 10pm curfew as he warns curb is ‘counter-productive’” – A change of tune from the mayor in the Evening Standard
- “Australia ‘unlikely to open borders until end of 2021’ when vaccine is available” – Lockdown forever in the Telegraph. This assumes of course that a vaccine will help, even though it isn’t being tested to prevent infection or death…
- “We will not be returning to the old normal” – Ominous editorial in the Lancet, warning: “All the vaccine scenarios will require that the mitigation measures employed worldwide continue for a few years at least.” And concluding: “It is time to forcefully impress on people that basic measures to limit the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 are here to stay. This is the new normal.”
- “Covid vaccine to be rolled out by NHS from next month with tens of thousands of people to get jabs daily by Christmas” – Plans are already well advanced, says the Sun
- “Joe Biden Is the Shutdown Candidate” – With Donald Trump telling Americans not to be afraid of Covid and not to let it rule them, the presidential candidates are divided by their attitudes to lockdown, says Daniel Henninger in the Wall Street Journal
- “Lockdown has caused a mental-health crisis” – Yet mental health charities won’t say a thing against it, writes Dave Clements in spiked
- “Mandatory masks in offices will be considered by the Government, says Robert Jenrick” – Worrying report from the Telegraph
- “Councils get millions of pounds for marshals” – Depressing news of a funding splurge to pimp-up the tinpot Stasi from the BBC
- “As MPs ask Matt Hancock to supplement the nation, can vitamin D actually help with Covid?” – Good explanation from the Telegraph about the remarkable Covid-related benefits of vitamin D
- “Nullify non-disclosure agreements/gagging orders for NHS staff for COVID-19” – New petition. Please sign it here
- “In the age of Covid, the law is a thug” – Excellent piece in CapX on the absurdity of the incomprehensible rules the Government expects us to follow
- “Under attack at NYU, Mark Crispin Miller needs your support for academic freedom” – Sign this petition in defence of Mark Crispin Miller, a Professor at NYU who is at risk of being fired for telling his students to read the research literature on the effectiveness of face masks
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.49 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: The mayor and health chief of Tulsa in the US are being sued by a group who say the city’s mask mandate is harmful to health. The group includes Dr James Meehan, who says:
Mask wearing has well-known risks that have been well-studied and they’re not being discussed in the risk analysis. I’m seeing patients that have facial rashes, fungal infections, bacterial infections. Reports coming from my colleagues, all over the world, are suggesting that the bacterial pneumonias are on the rise.
Why might that be? Because untrained members of the public are wearing medical masks, repeatedly… in a non-sterile fashion… They’re becoming contaminated. They’re pulling them off of their car seat, off the rearview mirror, out of their pocket, from their countertop, and they’re reapplying a mask that should be worn fresh and sterile every single time.
New research is showing that cloth masks may be increasing the aerosolization of the SARS-COV-2 virus into the environment causing an increased transmission of the disease.
Samaritans
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The graph of doom is looking at the wrong thing as well as using worst case as a stick with which to beat us. Hospitalisations, ICU occupancy and deaths are the only important metrics. And we need to disaggregate data better. Deaths at extreme age (above average), deaths with multiple co-morbitities should be subtracted. Hospital acquired Covid or care home spread needs to be singled out – these are key places where we can act. Why are hospitals/ wards/ staff not segregated covid/ non covid for example? Also, why are we not learning/ debating from success elsewhere – the Swedes are losing 2 people a day. Is this not a topic of interest for our media ?
Oh here we bloody go! Beautiful warm sunny day. I can hear the sound of people enjoying themselves at the beach until some f***wit got hold of a loud hailer and is badgering everyone to keep their distance. Gladys will be hand wringing and carrying on like a pork chop on the news tonight and hazardous brad the health minister will be threatening beach closures. Sun and salty water best antidote for germs not to mention mental health.
I think the COVID debacle is indicative of a much wider problem in society generally, that is, the apparent inability of the general public to think critically, absorbing without question every narrative the mainstream outlets diffuse. It seems to me that this is the inevitable outcome of a dumbed down education (?) system in which engagement with diverse arguments is discouraged on pain of penalty from those in the academies who seem blown around by every wind of woke doctrine.
I recall, I hope correctly, some time ago, watching a parliamentary session during which a member of the opposition I think it was, asked the question ‘what are Universities for?’. As I scanned the members of the front bench, I found myself asking the same question. If these characters are the best that the august schools of Eton, Ruby and Harrow can produce then I can only foresee a pessimistic future for the once Great Britain. They are, of course the elite, the cream of society so as to speak, rich and thick.
I am also concerned with the reluctance of some, perhaps the majority, of journalists to critically appraise the political narratives, another outcome of the education system perhaps.… Read more »
Todays page is in the building
Not like Elvis then?
What I should have said – but didn’t.
Part I. As I’m walking along the street a young woman stops her car and asks for directions. As I’m giving them she pulls a scarf above her mouth and nose. I’m stood at least three yards from her.
I should have said: Madam it’s rude to pull a scarf over your face when you ask someone to speak to you. (Instead I said: “I’m not infectious.)
Part II. I enter a small Cornish pasty shop. I’m the only customer and barely stood inside- I’m not much nearer the counter than when I was stood outside – the door is wide open. Chap serving behind a huge plastic screen asks me to wear a mask – he is not wearing one himself.
I should have responded. Who is this meant to protect you or me? Why am I needing more protection than you’re needing?
Instead I tell him I’m exempt which he accepts – but after serving me he then asks why am I exempt which he shouldn’t do.
I imagine he’s been told to challenge people if they are not wearing a mask – but hasn’t been told there… Read more »
Is the person telling shopkeepers to challenge mask exemptions as liable as those doing the challenging?
Are shop owners not fearful of a massive fine being levied if they don’t ask people entering their shop to wear a mask?
I also had the experience of entering a clothing store yesterday and not being asked! Though one lad I dealt with seemed very frosty – but hard to tell, I couldn’t see his face!
People risk driving cars because it is convenient. You’d think to enjoy normal human interaction humans would think it worth the risk – particularly when it is far less than driving a car.
Please can someone remind me what the law says about an experiment and that the person being experimented on has to consent and has the right to withdraw at any point?
Are you thinking of Nuremberg declarations maybe?
Hi Carrie – I thought so yes, but I saved the link that someone posted the other day and I can’t see which section would apply – is it on there?
https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/draft_articles/7_1_1950.pdf
Is this the relevant section of the 1964 Declaration maybe:
The first principle is respect for persons that comes with two moral statements: “the requirement to acknowledge autonomy and the requirement to protect those with diminished autonomy”. People should make a deliberate decision that should not be influenced by those in a position of power. People with diminished autonomy should be protected, as it is difficult for them to make valid informed and voluntary consent.
Dimwit Drakeford has been quiet for a while. Had a reply from my AM yesterday confirming that lockdown restrictions are reviewed weekly. Well, it’s day 10 in the big brother house and still no word from the Cardiff clowns…
The rag reports
“Lothian cops tell off 160 ‘covidiots’ in a week as hundreds of house parties carry on
Police Scotland have been called out to break up 365 indoor gatherings in the last seven days as groups choose to break the rules”
365 snitches? Police Scotlands Chief, himself a recent replacement for two predecessors whoe resigns citing political interferance as reason, said he believes no on in Scotland can notnow know these gatherings are unlawful. There are unknown numbers of things I do not know what is law what is guidance and what is mere fun. The government rush to irrespondibly and deliberately confuse has worked.
Any officer at police Scotland is a lemon if they haven’t spotted the political dimesion to their daily policing tasks. State goonery.
Official definition of Covidiot:
Like father …..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/doctors-call-for-masks-to-be-compulsory-outside-as-well-397j3rh2c (paywall) bloody masks again .
For a high infection/LOW Consequence disease (WHO and UK gov) !!
Human beings call for said doctors to be hanged from lamp posts.
“Those older than 60, or who are obese or have other health conditions making them particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus,. should be supplied with “medical grade” masks, the British Medical Association (BMA) said.”
So are they saying their medical grade masks actually protect the wearer from viruses? I wonder if the manufacturer of the mask is willing to stand by such a claim.
There is a picture of what is presumably a family in the middle of a field wearing masks with the caption “The BMA said that wearing masks both indoors and outdoors would be a simple message people could understand” the first sentance of the article reads “Masks should be mandatory outdoors as well as indoors when there is a risk of coming within two metres of other people, doctors urged yesterday.”. So are they saying the people in the image must wear masks – it does not look like they are likely to come within 2 meters of anyone else.
The message here is quite simple – the BMA is a corrupt organisation and the individuals pushing this evil with the liberal use of lies must not be forgotten. When we get through this they need… Read more »
This is crappin terrible.
Medical grade masks do not protect the wearer, and the BMA know that. If they’re talking about FFP3 masks as worn in ITU then these have to be fitted to individuals. They are completely overlooking the problems associated with mask wearing. Finally, you cannot be forced to have a medical intervention.
At the same time the WHO is calling for abandonment of lockdown for the number of excess deaths and starvation it is causing worldwide.
BMA are scum as all the realworld evidence is that masks make the situation worse.
Miichigan vs S Dakota.
Peru vs Brazil
Spain / UK vs Sweden.
3 different continents and same outcome everywhere.
Agreed. But all roads now lead to the Health Passport, by whatever means.
https://diginomica.com/look-i-could-be-wrong-about-tony-blair-makes-case-digital-id-scheme-again-post-covid-19-world
”Look, I could be wrong about this…”
You are!
Ugh – he was the one who started that ‘Look. . .’ thing. Fucking patronising arsehole
Inevitable.A lot of countries are making it a condition of entry that you show proof of a negative test.
So much easier just to have a heath passport.Gates long term aim is to have a tattoo embedded in your skin with your vaccine history.Scan and go.
But this is all down to incompetence
Looks like Google has deliberately pushed down Great Barrington Declaration to page 4 of the search results, so what comes above it is a set of critical attack articles from the usual suspects. As Isobel Oakshott has tweeted, they are clearly getting desperate.
The excellent article in The Mail from Professor Angus Dalgleish has a suspicious lack of comments (2). When a man who has dedicated his life to save thousands from an early death to cancer is subject to censorship you know you are approaching the endpoint – it is not going to end well.
One of the few articles where comments are moderated once more
I use DuckDuckGo – the declaration is on the first page of results there.
+1 on DuckDuckGo – seems pretty good for most searches.
Have been using it for some years now because of the fact they don’t collect a lot of data about your searches.
Is it any wonder that the majority of people go along with this madness.
I have received an email from Shropshire council, stating “Don’t know what to do with “junk mail”?: Put it in the paper and cardboard recycling bag.
Silly me, I was just about to paper the 2nd bedroom with “said” junk mail. Apart from the patronising,stupid and pointless tone of this email, how much did this exercise cost Shropshire council (COUNCIL TAX PAYERS)?
Make sure to leave it sticking out of the top of your green bin.
Talking of which, I was left a form the other week saying that I had put the “wrong” type of plastic in the plastic recycling bin.
Gets better don’t it?
So glad you shared that, Philip. Gave me a welcome belly laugh. There is a serious point around our councils’ ludicrous, money-frittering behaviour though.
I do hope they told you to isolate said junk mail in a hermetically sealed room for 14 days before transferring it to the recycling box with 3ft tongs after donning a hazmat suit.
Don’t give them ideas, Charlie, I refer you to the reply I posted to Karen.
My parents, also in Shropshire, had the same notice about plastic last week. Mum was desperately trying to work out what her plastic-related offence was, but to no avail. My thought was they were preparing the ground to cut services – tell 50% of residents at random that they have broken the rules each week, refuse service and halve the workload.
I must point out in fairness that the rubbish and recycling services have been given to Violoa, a private firm and not run directly by Shropshire council.
Blame it on Common Purpose who train (psychologically brainwash) relatively normal sensible everyday people, at our expense, to be MORONS.
Hence why we are ALL stranded up the Corona River without a paddle!
Its not just in beautiful Shropshire its a world wide phenomenon.
Could not agree more, Helen.
Keep fighting the good fight.
PS: Thanks for the compliment; although Shropshire has its share of s××tholes,down and outs and smackheads.
He can’t make it mandatory, in fact he can’t even place conditions on vaccination because it is against the law and it will be blocked by the courts.
After the last 7 months do you really believe that.The vaccine won’t be mandatory but you will be barred from everyday life if you refuse to take it.
What I fear is they will make our lives very difficult if we don’t take the vaccine. There is a Twitter feed of an Australian, I don’t know which state he’s from, but he said “No Jab No Pay, that is the line they are taking. We need the Top Legal Lawyers globally to fight this.
Listen to Tobias Elwoods speech in the commons.Sets out a 2 tier society.Also the health passport was being rolled out this week.Its all out there you just have to listen
The same courts that are doing such a great job of recognising the violation of all our other basic rights.
Although I can’t comment on this specifically and I’ve not visited your cafe, I just wanted to say a big thank you to you and all others like you for your sensible headedness. Back in summer Mrs D and I visited a small vintage style coffee shop where there was not a single jot of any of this coronavirus paranoia and it made my day – I’ve never felt such joy and blessing in such a simple thing.
Just been talking with a friend of mine who I didn’t realise was into conspiracy theories and was discussing the virus situation when I brought up Sweden as an example of how to manage a pandemic he countered with
That would probably be because that country already has a biometric/RFID/AI systems in place so they didn’t need to introduce more Draconian measures …. bloody hell now that’s a rabbit hole to go down lol mind you it was interesting to hear his views on this and other things
https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/12/will-microchip-implants-be-the-next-big-thing-in-europe
I think it was Sweden where about 5 years ago they trialled an under skin chip that people accepted all for the privilege of getting into a nightclub a bit easier.
If I remember rightly it was an office? I will investigate..
Mind you in an office you could probably use a fingerprint if it was about people accessing rooms or documents?
By the way, are Uk schools still using fingerprints for children to borrow books and to sign in for school lunches? That was a ‘thing’ a while back…
They were trialling the chips, not the best way to retrieve documents!
I’m pretty sure it was a nightclub because you could also pay for drinks with the implant
I think there is something in this. However in Sweden as Carrie was saying there is very high level integration between a person’s ID and lots of other records linked to it digitally over there. This is pretty significant and unusual. I think Swedes are more used to checking in with ID for acess to a wider range of services than other countries.The chip thing is not nearly as wide spread as we might have read in “conspiratorial” publications Carrie says.
Yet.
Nice to see someone reads my posts 🙂
Yes, to access most ‘official sites’ here – tax office, medical notes, bank, benefits office and so forth you sign in using both your ‘personal number’ and a MobileID app that you can get via your bank. You don’t create lots of separate passwords – the website asks you to open the app (you can have it on a laptop and/or mobile) and sign in that way. You create your own 6 figure password that you use on the app. The app ‘talks’ to the website and lets you in!
Most other types of business, like library websites, use a personal number + a password that you choose for logging in.
You can access no governmental or social services without a personal number here – it signifies that you are a legal resident. (A household bill won’t cut it). Via the personal number they know where you live, because all agencies are automatically updated when you move house – you let the tax office know and that updates everything else, including your bank. In some ways can save the individual some work, in that if you move you do not need to… Read more »
Haven’t verified this yet, but hope it brightens your weekend.
WHO tells world leaders to end the lockdowns.
https://order.thelounges.co.uk/ludo/
Some interesting comments on there eg what would happen if you post that on Facebook?
They know it is a Low Consequence disease as does the UK government (gov.uk), the climate change zealots have hijacked it and using Fear to enforce the Health Passport
Blair’s Health Passport
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidnabarro
This guy?
The WHOs special c19 envoy was on this weeks Spectator TV – is there a slight
Swedish accent nowadays?
WHO guidelines;
lockdown bad – makes poor poorer (been listening to Prof Gupta)
wash hands, stay home if unwell, distance where practical, where a mask
(sounds very familiar, they were our gov guidelines prior to lockdown panic – except the mask thing, presumably something to do with Halloween)
Oops, that was link from pub last night. Here’s the YouTube 😀
https://youtu.be/W4PuvmWqp4k
From the URL, ludo is what the nurses were playing when ICU wards were supposedly overwhelmed.
Nowt on the WHO website. I’d have thought something as important as WHO saying end lockdowns would be huge news. Nowhere to be seen anywhere. 😕
If Biden gets elected we can expect the lockdowns to end Jan/Feb.
That is merely the next ‘nudge’ towards the vaccine passport, which was their original aim!
Make people so fed up with lockdowns that they will accept ANYTHING that will end them…
Dr Beda M. Stadler is a Swiss molecular biologist and former director of the Institute for Immunology at the University of Bern. Stadler carried out basic research in the field of allergology and autoimmunity and applied research for the production of recombinant human or artificial antibodies.
What he says:
I could slap myself, because I looked at Sars-CoV2- way too long with panic. I am also somewhat annoyed with many of my immunology colleagues who so far have left the discussion about Covid-19 to virologist and epidemiologist. I feel it is time to criticise some of the main and completely wrong public statements about this virus.
Firstly, it was wrong to claim that this virus was novel. Secondly, It was even more wrong to claim that the population would not already have some immunity against this virus. Thirdly, it was the crowning of stupidity to claim that someone could have Covid-19 without any symptoms at all or even to pass the disease along without showing any symptoms whatsoever.
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Those young and healthy people who currently walk around with a mask on their faces would be better off wearing a helmet instead, because the risk of something falling on their… Read more »
To try and get some background about all this hoo-haa I have tried to read up about immunity, the more I read the more it seems incredibly complicated and hard to understand. B cells, T cells, antibodies and vitamins to list but a few factors all contributing to an amazing complex process by which most of us for most of the time stay well.
I am sure there are others on this site far more qualified than me to comment on such matters, so please put me straight if I have got this wrong.
With SARS-Cov2 it appears it initially infects the upper respiratory tract, a bit like the common cold but may then move onto its more serious secondary effects. There seems to be some doubt as to how far immunity can actually stop the upper respiratory tract part of the infection? but it is certainly immunity which kicks in to stop the second stage developing for many people.
If I have got this right? it means it is very hard to assess levels of immunity by testing, I guess the other way of looking at it is that if you do not get the disease then you are… Read more »
Only those who stand to make money are pushing for a vaccine.
It makes as much sense as everything else I have read!
I’ve asked a number times over the last few weeks if people with immunity could still test positive because their immunity still has to deal with the virus internally. (clever me)
(and I know the PCR test is not fit for this purpose)
This is my understanding:
germs is used to cover bacteria, parasites, fungi and virus
The human immune system is multilayered, each layer developing as we have evolved. The outermost layer has similarities with the immune system of insects. The genes that control this are called toll, we have similar genes toll-like.
The cells created by these genes each have different shaped receptor to detect proteins associated with different germs. When one of these cells identifies a germ it engulfs it. A inflammatory response is triggered, the innate immune system. The engulfed protein is presented to a T cell which multiplies and spreads throughout the body (insects blood humans lymph system) fighting off the germ. The creation of T cells occurs in the lymph nodes, which is why the glands in your neck, armpits and groin and your tonsils swell.
The inflammatory response is what drives your temperature up.
In insects that is the end of the story, they have no further protection.
in humans the next layer is our adaptive blood based immune system, including antibodies, B cells.
I had my tonsils taken out as a kid – will no tonsils compromise my immune system?
No. However, the current guidelines are that tonsils are not normally removed unless their have been five separate episodes of bacterial tonsillitis within a 12 month period. Tonsils are first line but not the only ones.
Likewise – tonsil removal used to be virtually mandatory back in day. Along with fillings for every tiny cavity in your teeth!
Tonsils are definitely part of the immune system so their loss must have negative impact. But the body will always attempt to compensate via other mechanisms wherever there is a loss of function.
I think one of the most important things to bear in mind is that, yes it is indeed very complicated, and the reality is that the experts don’t fully understand it either. One of the things that has been made very apparent by all the fear and the arguing amongst the experts is that they have no full understanding of how the immune system works and interacts with viruses, in particular.
It’s not like, say the internal combustion engine, or nuclear power (fission), where the principles and practices are well understood down to quite a low level, and by and large the experts collectively will come up with the same explanation for any particular aspect of it. There is still a lot of guesswork and handwaving involved.
Totally agree Mark. Scientists and public health officials are making recommendations from a position of ignorance. The operations of the immune system are really too complex for one person to understand fully.
The hubris of the vaccine lobby is off the scale. Despite this lack of knowledge about how immune systems work in the real world (not a petri dish) fools like Ferguson and Edmunds back the shadowy Vaccine Centre’s plan to create vaccines for every human disease and vaccinate the whole world population for all of them!
Also, does anyone really know what are the effects of modern tight fitting masks on human health in real world settings? No. And yet they are being foisted on the public.
Surely they will have to arrest any takers for mingling with people outside their household?
Nah, they’re recruiting grasses so it counts as work👮♂️👮♀️
A few more 33’s. Trump ‘contracted’ COVID 33 days before the election and states he will enact the 33rd use of the Defence Production Act
https://youtu.be/KbefJpdqkEk
9/10
Back in the USSR, Festival of The Beatles. John Lennon – 80!
No masks, no anti social distancing, no BS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMw50zRzbcI&ab_channel=SergeyBaklykov%2FRealRussia
A stunningly good article by Prof Angus Dalgleish in the Daily Mail today.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8824833/Lockdown-despair-drove-two-Professors-lives.html
Superb. It is the most sceptical article I have ever seen in the MSM.
Has there really only been 2 comments in 11 hours? I’m guessing the article is hard to find from the man news page.
One of them thinks he’s clever – I can’t post but if someone who has access could sarcastically point out that the Cromwell reference maybe to do with the cancelling Christmas urban myth
Not an urban myth. There was legislation under Cromwell against celebrating Christmas, hot cross buns and Maypole dancing.
Also – what he has taken from the article is a possible mixup between Orwell and Cromwell, but the fact that 2 lives of such huge potential have been ended far too soon seems to have passed him by completely. And we’re the selfish ones????
Comments are moderated which is why you won’t see anything sensible on that article
It’s a very sad article. When the hell will government listen. Especially the point about the stability of the NHS being intrinsicly linked to the economy. When I point this out to my NHS colleagues they’re like’Oh, yeah’. Unthinking, morons.
They will never listen, they are following an agenda to kill as many British as possible, they know the destruction lockdown causes, it is the driving force behind their decisions.
If you set your point as the null hypothesis, then try to reject it, it is increasingly difficult, verging on impossible to do so. It seems clear that several senior doctors and scientists are also starting to come to that view. At some point soon you just have to hope the politicians who can call a halt to it (and there is the mechanism in place within the Tory party) do so, pretty sharpish.
19 March, the government downgraded covid 19 from a high consequence disease, which is where it has stayed, high infection, low consequence, worldwide. The deaths out of 7,7 billion people is low. The climate lobby agenda is driving this and Fear was the way to do it.
Shameful doesn’t begin to describe this “creative” punishment of mask refuseniks in part of Indonesia:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-indonesia-people-caught-without-facemasks-forced-to-dig-graves-and-get-into-coffins-12099172
Hope they don’t bring in something similar here.
This seemed very apt – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AijNCV_JWMs
Are you a walking, talking Second Wave, blithely spreading?
Shame on you.
No, I drive around all day with windows open breathing the 2nd wave virus out.
There is a second wave
A second wave of NHS extra judicial killings
Shipman was way before his time
Just a reminder:
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Deaths are where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. Source: ONS, NRS and NISRA – England, Wales and Northern Ireland updated weekly. Scottish local authority data updated monthly.
Cases are people who have tested positive for coronavirus. The “average area” means the middle ranking council or local government district when ranked by cases per 100,000 people. Public health bodies may occasionally revise their case numbers. Source: UK public health bodies – updated weekdays.
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‘Deaths’ does not mean ‘deaths from Covid’.
‘Cases’ does not mean ‘ill from or with Covid’.
‘Figures’ means ‘lies’.
Always worth reminding oneself and others.
A person who organised a pub quiz gets an MBE. FFS. They are plumbing new depths
Meanwhile our children and grandchildren are to become little more than farmed animals
They will be pumped full of whatever untested gunk, Whitty, the dictator and Billy Boy decide is the vac de jour
( note to me: set up a company to retrain pub landlords to care for the children crippled by the vaccine)
Everything nice that we like to do is banned.
All we are allowed to do is work, indeed we beg for permission to work.
I now understand the meaning of
“Work Will Set You Free”
Ian Duncan Smith said that about his “reforms” forcing severely sick and disabled people to work.
We have one of the private sector Disability testing stations. You see people struggling out of their taxi and into their wheelchair to access it.
If I google ‘the great barrington declaration” then I can’t get to the website to sign and I’m presented with many negative messages about it. Anyone else see this?
You’re right. Google has been got at.
I’ e messaged Toby asking him to create a permanent link on our site.
PS. And there is one above. Here it is again:
https://gbdeclaration.org/#read
Heading for 200,000 public adherents…
I just searched and couldn’t find it. It has certainly been “got at”- appalling. The Guardian have put out an article to discredit it also, saying it has been signed by false names etc. Disgraceful. I had Emailed it to someone earlier though so the website is and you can still sign: https://gbdeclaration.org/ Share it far and wide.
It might be worth using another search engine (check they aren’t dependent on Google) fo4 example DuckDuckGo especially for Covid related searches. And for researching google censorship;)
Yep, that’s how I found the google censorship. I’m appalled but not surprised.
Shameful. I despair.
Use duckduckgo
I got it on Bing immediately, also try other search engines for contrast. I never use Google unless absolutley necessary.