Confused Man Wears Mask In Spite of Having Had Virus Months Ago
This picture really does take the biscuit. Why is Boris bothering to wear a mask when he cannot possibly be infectious or catch COVID-19, having had the virus and recovered. Like me, he has the antibodies. Nicola Sturgeon may have made mask wearing in shops mandatory in Scotland on Friday, but no such rule applies in Uxbridge. So what is the big man thinking? Is this a signal that he’s about to follow in Sturgeon’s footsteps? The Mail seems to think so.
In the early days of the outbreak the UK Government argued that scientific evidence that the masks reduced transmission of the airborne virus was “weak”.
But rules requiring people to wear face masks on public transport in England came into effect on 15 June.
On Friday Mr Johnson said “the balance of scientific opinion seems to have shifted more in favour of them than it was, and we’re very keen to follow that”.
“I do think we need to be stricter in insisting people wear face coverings in confined spaces where they are meeting people they don’t normally meet.
“We are looking at ways of making sure that people really do have face coverings in shops, for instance, where there is a risk of transmission,” he said during a Facebook Q&A.
Gawd help us if he does decide to wet the bed over masks. One reader – let’s call him Tony – has already been in touch to say the very thought of having to wear a nappy on his face every time he leaves the house is making him feel suicidal.
Send Tony some love in the comments.
Stop Press: There seems to be a great deal of confusion about whether face masks should be worn in some of Britain’s most popular galleries and museums. You’ll be required to wear one at the BFI Southbank when it re-opens on September 1st, as well as the Royal Academy, while the National Gallery merely “encourages” visitors to wear one and the Tate doesn’t require them at all. Go figure.
When We Have Herd Immunity, Boris Will Face a Reckoning
I have a piece in the Telegraph today, arguing that the reason the virus is burning itself out in Britain, Europe and parts of America is because we’re on our way to achieving herd immunity in those areas.
At the beginning of March, a lively debate took place about whether Britain should pursue a strategy of “herd immunity” – allowing coronavirus to spread until so many people had developed antibodies that it no longer posed a threat to public health – or place the entire country under lockdown. As is well-known, Boris Johnson initially embraced the former, saying the public needed to take the virus “on the chin”, then performed a U-turn and imposed a full lockdown on March 23.
But recent data coming out of New York reveals that this was a false dichotomy. Sixty-eight per cent of people who took antibody tests at a clinic in the Corona neighbourhood of Queens received positive results, suggesting that, in this area at least, the population is already close to achieving “herd immunity”. This is in spite of the fact that New York imposed one of the strictest lockdowns in the United States.
This fits with other data showing that the life cycle of the epidemic in each region or country where there’s been a viral outbreak follows a very similar pattern, regardless of whether or not a lockdown was imposed or how severe it was. For instance, if you plot the rise and fall in the number of new cases in Sweden on a graph, and then compare it to the same data in the UK, the two lines are almost identical, in spite of the fact that Sweden never imposed a lockdown. The same is true if you compare the trajectory of the virus in the 43 US states that locked down with the seven that didn’t.
The Telegraph wasn’t able to reproduce the graph I had in mind because it appeared in the Spectator. But this is the one I was referring to, which was in an article by Lockdown Sceptics contributor Alistair Haimes.
The fact that the pattern is so similar, regardless of which non-pharmaceutical interventions were made, suggests the reason the R rate has fallen to below one in these areas has nothing to do with the lockdowns and everything to do with the fact that a majority of people have now been exposed to the virus and either had natural immunity or caught it and are now immune. As I point out in the article, that’s good news because it means the chances of a ‘second wave’ happening are virtually nil. But it’s bad news for Boris.
As it becomes clearer that the British population will soon achieve herd immunity, just as the population of Corona has, and the lockdown has done nothing to mitigate the impact of the virus, people will begin to ask tough questions of the Government. And Boris won’t be able to say we only know this now with the benefit of hindsight because he recognised the wisdom of the “herd immunity” strategy back in March. Whatever his excuse is, it will have to be better than that if the Conservatives are going to survive the reckoning.
Worth reading in full.
Escape to the Costa Blanca
A Scottish reader has been in touch about his escape to Spain. Not quite the idyll he was expecting…
I thought I would give you a quick insight into life in the Costa Blanca, Spain. We escaped Nicola (Bane) Sturgeon a few weeks ago, thinking we were smart. We have had a great time here, but there are potential signs of things to come back in the UK:
1. The wearing of masks is obligatory in all shops. I watched a guy getting manhandled out of Lidl yesterday because he was attempting to cover his mouth with his T-shirt. My wife and I were smirking until I was approached by the same hit squad who had so efficiently dispatched him. I was wearing my usual bandanna, but this was obviously not up to the required standard for this supermarket and I was accompanied out faster than a lizard finds the shade. So now it appears masks have to be of a specific type. Could it happen in the UK next?
2. A new hotel and restaurant opened up on the waterfront in our town. Lovely job. Three days later it was closed down. All the furniture was removed and it was completely de-fumigated. Apparently, the owner was suspected of having Covid. Turned out, he didn’t. He had had a car accident two days before and wasn’t feeling too well. He got a complete decontamination exercise for his trouble. Hysterical. Not seen anyone in it since!
3. It’s great that the shops are open, but it’s becoming a health hazard for your hands. You have to disinfect on entry and exit. Visit five shops and that’s a lot of chemicals. And how my hands are suffering. Dry and itchy. I tried to pretend to have a squirt on them the other day and the “doorman” reprimanded me for it. Scary…
4. It is becoming increasingly bizarre to see waiters having to wear masks in restaurants while the customers don’t. In this heat (up to 40 degrees) it’s downright dangerous. Most of them look completely pissed off wearing them. Will there be a health fallout from such intense mask wearing?
5. When we did a runner a few weeks ago we just about had the plane to ourselves flying out of Glasgow. We thought we were the smart ones. But Nicola’s decided that we have to serve two weeks solitary when we return, e.g. quarantine. She can’t be beaten, but we won’t give up trying!
Perhaps it isn’t all Wee Krankie’s fault. One of her public health advisers, Professor Devi Sridhar, is a bedwetter par excellence. She took to Twitter recently to warn of “constant outbreaks” as lockdown restrictions ease across the country. She said the virus was likely to be present in the UK until at least the spring of 2021 and that if people returned to their normal patterns of behaviour “we will get an uptick for sure”.
I know the economy is suffering and jobs are being lost. I recognise the toll that lockdown has taken and I’m not ‘pro-lockdown’ at all.
In fact my worry is about a second lockdown and how to avoid this happening. Lockdown/release cycles will destroy society and the economy.
That’s a new one on me: I’m so worried about the toll the lockdown is taking that I think we should continue to strictly maintain it to avoid having to re-impose it.
Canaries in the Mine Update
I’m publishing a third article in Dr Rudolph Kalveks ‘Canaries in the Mine’ series today. Dr Kalveks, who has a PhD in theoretical physics, has used a standard tool in epidemiology – the Susceptible–Infected–Recovered/Resolved or (“SIR”) model – to analyse the lifecycle of the virus in different countries and he concluded in the first article in the series that in Europe and America the pandemic was approaching the end of its life and a “second wave” was unlikely. He looked at the data again in the second article in the series and saw nothing to change his mind, and he’s done the same in the third. Again, the data confirms his initial hypothesis:
Notwithstanding that populations are not homogeneous, so that there may remain local groups of vulnerable individuals who may continue to benefit from continued sheltering, the simple message for UK policymakers is that the historic data from the Coronavirus pandemic does not at present provide evidence to support the continuation of substantial restrictions on the normal functioning of our society and economy.
Worth reading in full.
Letter in Harpers Raising Alarm About the Intolerant Left Makes it Harder to Deny Cancel Culture
I appeared on Sky News earlier to debate Guardian columnist Owen Jones about cancel culture, following the letter that appeared in Harpers last week signed by 153 left-wing writers and intellectuals. Owen tweeted on July 5th that he didn’t think cancel culture existed, in spite of the fact that a couple of weeks ago he led demands for Oxford University’s Deputy Director of External Affairs to be fired “by the end of the day” because he’d tweeted something disobliging about Owen’s friend Ash Sarkar.
It’s like the leader of the Red Guards at the height of the Chinese Cultural Revolution saying, “Struggle sessions? What struggle sessions?”
Round-Up
And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:
- ‘Welsh pubs and cafes to reopen indoors on 3 August‘ – Welsh pubs, cafes, bars and restaurants can open with outside seating from Monday, indoors from August 3rd
- ‘Quarantine rules end for dozens of destinations‘ – Rules are being relaxed for arrivals from 75 countries and British overseas territories, although travellers from Spain still have to quarantine on arrival in Scotland (see above)
- ‘Multiple errors in the New York Times article about Sweden’s corona strategy‘ – Good takedown of the misleading New York Times piece headlined: “Sweden has become the world’s cautionary tale.”
- ‘Sickest coronavirus patients could be injected with lab-made antibodies to help fight off infection‘ – Story in the Telegraph about an experimental new treatment. I first read about this at least six weeks ago
- ‘We’re keeping the flirty young things apart, say publicans‘ – According to the Times, publicans have been struggling to keep young people from snogging
- ‘COVID-19 is not a “serious and imminent danger”. Risk assessments might be‘ – Employment lawyers Jackson Osborne point out that the HSE’s Covid risk assessment approach is fundamentally flawed
- ‘Jeremy Hunt interview: “The scientific advice was wrong — there was group-think at the top”‘ – I got my hopes up when I read that headline, but in fact he means the Government didn’t lock down early enough. Yawn
- ‘Global socio-economic losses and environmental gains from the Coronavirus pandemic‘ – The first comprehensive study of the pandemic by a group of international academics shows consumption losses amount to more than $3.8 trillion, triggering full-time equivalent job losses of 147 million
- ‘People WON’T obey lockdown again‘ – SAGE has warned that it will be a lot harder to get people to stick to the rules if a full lockdown is reimposed
- ‘Civil servants are told to read up on Dominic Cummings as overhaul looms‘ – Turns out, the Cabinet Office has drawn up a 20-page synopsis of Dominic Cummings’s famously prolix blog posts so incoming officials can brief themselves on the great man’s thoughts
- ‘What’s the true cost of lockdown?‘ – Good piece in the Spectator by Dr Waqar Rashid, a consultant neurologist at St George’s University Foundation Hospital NHS Trust, about the psychological toll
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few weeks ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you. Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
Note to the Good Folk Below the Line
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I’ve just read some of the comments below Toby’s article in the Telegraph.
Oh, dear.
It seems that many people are choosing to believe that the virus is far more deadly than it is, and that the lockdown and destruction of our economy was worth it, and probably should continue indefinitely.
We’re all doomed, doomed, I tell you….
UK test numbers overstated by 2 million.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08kdnbp
Hidden away in a new article tackling ‘English’ daring to transport c19 into Scotland is a tiny bit about Scottish Care home deaths. The astute will notice the mechanisms of SNP at work. They go like this, yes Sotland care homes have been a disater, we did put c19 into homes killing many, but The English did it more, worse and betterer.
From the gusrdian:
“The Scottish government has been criticised for its policy early in the pandemic of discharging hospital patients into care homes without being tested for coronavirus. Almost half (46%) of Covid-19 deaths in Scotland have been connected to care homes, according to the National Records of Scotland.
“Asked about her government’s record, Sturgeon said she regretted and apologised for every death from Covid-19. But she added: “What I absolutely refute is that there was some particular problem in Scotland or that we didn’t take great care.”
“She said excess deaths in care homes were lower in Scotland than in England, with Scotland attributing more of them to coronavirus.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/12/no-immediate-plan-to-quarantine-english-visitors-says-sturgeon
She could also point to Governor Cuomo’s (Democrat) record in New York as well, or Governor Whitmer (Democrat) in Michigan, to their success in killing off so many of their elderly in care homes.
Funny how the Left everywhere had followed the same policy, with the same results.
What does that say about Hancock and PHE??
I make my regular call to Toby to establish a Free Citizens Party that will take on the PC globalist free speech haters, the mandatory mask mafia and the divisive Far Left who deface the Cenotaph and statues of our national heroes like Churchill. People say Toby’s too busy with the FSU to be able to devote that much time to a new party – well the FSU won’t necessary if there is an effective political party standing up for free speech. It could be an all digital party. We need a broad party that will bring together people like Douglas Murray, Julia Hartley-Brewer, Allison Pears on, Trevor Philips, Rod Liddle, Claire Fox and Brenden O’Neil.
The FSU is fighting for individuals on a case-by-case basis who have been no-platformed and cancelled and have just lost their jobs, are facing expulsion, etc. It is effectively filling the gap of “actual” unions that are failing their members. Those people can’t wait for an election that – quite frankly – will never win any power. (How many seats does the Brexit Party or UKIP have?) It’s a major divestment of time (to the tune of a full time job) for 100’s of people to start a new party and actually do something with it. There are dozens – possibly hundreds – of parties in the UK. Most of them, you have never heard of. Only a tiny minority have ever won a seat.
In any case, someone else is already doing this: https://www.keepbritainfree.com/ He has offered to pay the fees for anyone willing to run in the next election.
“Keep Britain Free is a new movement representing the millions of people who want to think for themselves and take responsibility for their own lives.
We are not a political party. We are a group of independent thinkers who seek to influence politicians come polling day.”
The issue that I see now is that there’s little to distinguish between Labour and the Tories, leaving many voters without any credible alternative to vote for. There is now a gap for a conservative party, with an emphasis on freedom of speech, etc. UKIP may have had only one seat in Parliament, but 4 million votes put enough pressure on the Tories to give us the Brexit referendum. Voting is the only way to exert enough pressure on any of the parties to change tack. The BxP also gave both main parties a good kicking in the EU election, enough to make sure that Brexit happened. We have to do the same again now to get back our free speech, and our other freedoms. A pressure group is not enough.
What is the official government line on c19 antibodies ‘fading’ in time? I understand Tcells are more important. But there was considerable talk of antibodies ‘not lasting’. No evidence of reinfections but it was a claim they made. What became of that story, does anybody know?
I saw something about that today! There is so much info out there and most of it contradictory or mutually exclusive. I am guessing that immunity function is relative to rate of mutation as with cold viruses and flu.
It’s a story that conveniently went AWOL Always suspicious.
Antibodies will fade into the background if the body doesn’t encounter the same disease again, and may fall enough to require a boost at some point.
If the CV19 virus mutates enough that the body doesn’t recognise it again, you’ll get another immune response, and possi fall ill, as we do with a regular cold.
Most people don’t get the flu more than once in their life, even though there are different strains that appear each year. They might get a much milder form instead.
Regarding this particular virus, I suspect that the “scientists” don’t know enough yet to predict what will happen with our antibodies. It’s only been around a matter of months and it’s impossible to tell. What we’re hearing is speculation. They don’t yet really know.
It’s the King’s College, London study:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.09.20148429v1
Boris, the Boy in the Blue Suit, should be asked “And when did you last meet your nation’s needs?” The ” Man in the Mask” photo was unforgiveable and never will be forgiven. To use one of Boris’s classical allusions, it’s as if Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon and then decided it was safer going back to the other side. I am afraid Boris has made himself the object of real ridicule as opposed to BBC-confected ridicule we had grown used to.
Trip to National Trust today. Had to book in advance for parking. Only late slots available. On arriving found only two hours before they lock the car park at 4pm. WHY? Does COVID prowl on balmy summer evenings perhaps? The refreshment kiosk shut at 3. COVID starts to attack people drinking tea at 3.05, you see. Groovy lines, Karen notices, and arrows everywhere. Shop shut. Why, exactly? Toilets limited.
Meanwhile, the head of the NT in England doesn’t seem that bothered, IMNSVHO, about nonsensical rules to limit people’s enjoyment and so continue to trash NT income which is undergoing a catastrophic shortfall. No hurry, it seems. She wrote in The Telegraph in May: ““We estimate that our losses could amount to £200m this year.”
ITV News tonight, Like all the MSM, downplaying links between Covid spread and mass immigration. They report on lockdown of a farm with 200 workers but failed, to mention they are nearly all East European migrants. Similar approach was adopted re spread of Covid in slaughterhouses.
“downplaying links between Covid spread and mass immigration”
I am against mass immigration – I don’t like our countryside being filled up with houses – but I can see no connection whatever between mass immigration and covid spread.
The vast majority of immigrants arrived here long before cv19.
I seem to recall that they flew in a couple of plane loads in the middle of lockdown…..
It’s not mass immigration per se necessarily (although I believe illegal Chinese work gangs in Italy Spain and UK have played a part in its lightning spread) – but with mass immigration goes a lot of multi occupied accommodation with often several peple sleeping in one room, often poor health care and poor working conditions that favour virus spread.
In Italy there were a large number of Chinese workers in the leather factories, who all went ‘home’ to China at Christmas and then came back to Italy, bringing the virus with them..
Sunday afternoon trip to Chichester. Lovely weather, city quite busy, maybe 10% masked.
Turner’s Pies – ignored arrows, no masks/sanitiser, big Perspex between staff/customers was all. Pies fantastic !
Nero – no masks/sanitiser. Perspex screen. All fine, but card payment only. Needed caffeine, so guiltily complied. 🙁
Montezuma Chocolates – staff visored up, £8 pound for 80g chocs (!!). Decided my wife deserved them, so stumped up. Cards only they said. No thanks we said and left.
TKMaxx – staff visored but otherwise normal. Sanitiser offered entering and leaving. Maybe 30-40% of customers masked here. Cash taken.
Cathedral – closed. Chickenshits.
Bishop’s Palace Gardens – wonderful spot, recommended for a visit ! Mixture of tree, grass, shrubs, flowers, formal, country garden, and old city walls. Did not see a single mask in here.
Ooh, and the public toilets were open.
Wearing a mask is akin to wearing a gun.
My gun protects you, your gun protects me. Neither of us know when the gun will be needed, if ever.
A fair comparison?
No. Complete and utter rubbish. Your filthy face rag endangers both you and me.
You serious? Protects me against what exactly?
The vast majority of mask wearers are constantly fiddling with them and so are transferring pathogens from the mouth-nose area to their fingers,whether gloved or not it doesn’t matter.
It’s been said many times before but why now?
Exactly.. Probably to keep us in fear till they have finished making enough vaccines to start a mass vaccination roll-out..
Only if your gun and my gun had no bullets,so no one was protected.
Well that’s the point isn’t it. The argument that guns protect people is contentious and highly specific to circumstances. Much the same way that masks are being argued that they protect everyone.
It was a silly comparison. Gun usage is discrete. Mask usage is not. You are always using your mask while you have it over your mouth and nose. You are not always using a gun when you have it i.n a holster on your person. As soon as you put a mask on it starts collecting pathogens. Moreover the warm humid and sugary environment of the mask is perfect for the rapid growth of pathogens The sugar comes from your saliva
So you’re agreeing with me.
If you were being ironic please attach irony quotes in future.
Sorry I can tell from the responses that I probably should have put some sort of explanation in my original post to make it clearer what I was trying to say.
What gets to me,with all this mask wearing propaganda that we are being fed at the moment,is that it is the opposite of what we were told by the government and science at the start.Have people no memory?
It makes me appreciate the genius of Orwell
Oceania is at war with Eurasia.Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia
I’m a key worker and need to use PPE (mask, gloves and approns) at certain times in my work; I also work with health staff. My question is, why, seemingly, is no one challenging how unhealthy it is to wear masks? There is evidence that is non-Covid related for this! I have also been told by health staff (nurses) as well as, like you, done my own research, leading me to believe that wearing masks for a longer than necessary, makes things worse. What I have not heard the govt. and all the other so called experts etc. talk about is how to “safely” dispose of used PPE. We have been instructed that it has to be removed in a certain sequence, avoid touching it at all costs, then bag it for disposal. When I asked “where” I was to then put the bag of used, potentially infected. PPE, I was told “service users home bins or your car to take home” and put in my bin. When I am leaving a ward, the PPE is put into hospital incinerator bags. So, I wonder why all this mask wearing makes people feel any safer because if you have come into… Read more »
Now why would anyone want to lobby for everyone on the planet be forced to wear masks?
“Interestingly, the demand for a worldwide obligation to wear masks is led by a lobby group called “masks4all” (masks for all), which was founded by a “young leader” of the Davos forum”.
From the Mask for All site:
“About Us:
#Masks4All is an all-volunteer org that started and powered the movement for people and Governments to follow the overwhelming scientific evidence that shows we need to wear homemade masks in public to slow COVID-19.
Now that this is widely accepted as a fact by Government, news, and health leaders, we’re focused on getting masks to be required across the U.S. and the world.”
“Jeremy Howard, Co-Founder & Leader
Distinguished Research Scientist at USF; Founding Researcher at fast.ai; Member of the World Economic Forum’s Global AI Council”
And if you check out the WEF’s Global AI Council website…
“The Global AI Council will be cochaired by Microsoft president Brad Smith and Dr. Kai-Fu Lee, CEO of Sinovation Ventures and former president of Google China. “
Well, well, what a surprise – not!
There’s a UK version too…
masks4all.org.uk
“Sign the petition created by Dr Wei Chi to call on the UK government to bring mandatory mask laws to the UK. “
Just sent them a foul email
Good! Hope you’re okay
Have you seen the make up of the group?
XR Activist
A staunch climate and environmental activist
A long-term, politically engaged representative
A digital activist using her background in digital marketing to campaign for real societal and political change.
Nothing at all to do with masks then….
Sounds like the makeup of the company responsible for the dodgy data used in the HCQ publications in Lancet that were retracted. One of them was a porn star if I remember correctly.
Same circus, different clowns…..
“Because there’s now a global consensus and the science behind masks limiting COVID-19 spread is almost universally accepted as a fact, this science page is unlikely to be updated frequently going forward.”
Sounds familiar…?
“Stay at home! Wearing masks shouldn’t make you go outside of your house more than necessary. All the official guidelines still apply”
Our Mission
masks4all.org.uk
The science is settled…
IT’S NOT DANGEROUS AND IT’S GONE!!!!
FFS!!!!
And on the Masks for All site, check out the photo of David Keating, President of the Institute for Free Speech… A picture is worth a thousand words!
Can’t even get photos of them wearing real masks, all photoshopped
Spotted that too. Human race at its worst on display in those photographs.
Has Gate’s grubby little paw prints all over it………
Of course – did you see the link to Microsoft as well? “The Global AI Council will be cochaired by Microsoft president Brad Smith and Dr. Kai-Fu Lee, CEO of Sinovation Ventures and former president of Google China. “
Makes me want to puke. I have no issue with these people being disappeared.
Who thinks they have a reasinable right to want each human to wear a mask.
Related
For anyone interested canadian Amazing Polly gives an amazing history of Eugenics and what happened to that movement post ww2 in her latest well researched video on youtube.
It’s not about masks.
“Stay at home! Wearing masks shouldn’t make you go outside of your house more than necessary. All the official guidelines still apply”
Our Mission
masks4all.org.uk
I don’t fear that group at all. But I will say those people are extremely dangerous. More than happy to fight them. Lose or not. There is a bunch of anti human dangers. Positively laughing at their arrogance is the least we all can do. I’ve cirulated as wide as I’m able. Lift the lid off their little plan. Sturgeon looks stupid with these guys in the background. Has boris been got at be these clingons?
The founder is clearly a really serious scientist:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PetrLudwig/status/1255428783798190086
I was about to tweet “piss off!” at that but decided i don’t want trolls after me…
I wouldn’t even pee on him if he was on fire…..
“Petr Ludwig #Masks4All Retweeted
Cam Woodsum #Masks4All #TestAndTrace
@CamWoodsum
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24 Apr
#Masks4All has been shared 260,000 times over the last 30 days and has reached 1.1B people. 30 days ago, ~10 countries recommended masks, now the world almost universally agrees they work, 50+ countries have made them MANDATORY and 8/10 of the most powerful countries recommend.”
We should all be very afraid.
Masks4plebsnotcelebs would be more accurate.
If you put a plastic bag over your head and tape it tightly around your neck you will not contaminate anyone. That is a fact!
Ha ha ha that’s funny until you realise it’s probably real!
It’s a new family sit com: “Meet the Bubbles”…
Are you still able to edit this out, not helpful to some here?
Hong Kongers arrive in UK to start their new life.
“Wish we’d bloody stayed in Hong Kong,” grumbled one.
Fake science. Fake photos. Fake emotion. Probably put the website together from a yacht in the Med or Caribbean.
It’s not about masks.
“Stay at home! Wearing masks shouldn’t make you go outside of your house more than necessary. All the official guidelines still apply”
Our Mission
masks4all.org.uk
Davos is where the World Economic Forum meet annually.
And what a surprise they were one of the sponsors for Event 201 – planning for the Plandemic which took place in October last year.
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about
We now have the coronavirus industrial complex as many companies benefit from the current situation eg manufacturer of masks, perspex screens, sanitizers, disinfectants. In addition during lockdown companies benefit if their competitors are out of business. For instance, supermarkets may get increased alcohol sales if pubs can’t open. If companies benefit from the coronavirus, they may lobby governments. A company like Amazon and supermarkets could lobby the government to impose lockdown as it prevents competitors from operating.
I understand that A-level and GCSE grades are estimated by teachers this year.
If this has been the case for me, my grades in most subjects including Maths, Science and English would have all been a couple of points down at least. I think many students will wonder what might have been, had they been allowed to sit the exams they had spent a couple of years preparing for.
The 4 exam boards found that teachers had ‘overestimated ‘, not underestimated, the majority of grades; resulting in the need to bring them down .
They are to be allowed to sit them if they feel hard done by.
Wearing masks is NOT without opportunity costs in the form of increased health risks for the wearer, that us being neglected here.
The asymptomatic positive person case has been debunked recently.
The (weak) trials called ‘science’ that did show efficacy ignore the reality of mostly sloppy wearing which reduces it significantly.
The virus is much smaller than the gaps in the fabric and will therefore go through anyway.
All the trials showed was that the aerosols with the virus might fly a bit less far, that’s it.
If you add in the low infection rates, the low probability to meet someone infected, the even lower one to meet him closely, and the much lower one to meet him at the distance the aerosol flew less than without a mask, the mathematical folly, and true reason for wishing them to be worn, becomes clear.
It’s like demanding that all people in a car must wear fireproof padded suits and a helmet, to prevent a dozen otherwise occurring deaths per year.
‘It’s like demanding that all people in a car must wear fireproof padded suits and a helmet, to prevent a dozen otherwise occurring deaths per year.’ – Good comparison, that shows how ridiculous wearing a mask is,,
Had a similar ‘on another discussion’ when someone said we should wear a mask even if it saved one life. I asked has he now locked his car in the garage in case he hits someone stood at a bus stop.he replied that he took ‘safety precautions’ by wearing a seat belt….!!??
Johnson&co can do anything illiberal they want, as they don’t have to fear losing voters who are upset about that to any of the even more illiberal parties left of them.
I do hope anti-Lockdown, pro common sense, truly free speech and citizens rights parties do spring up eventually, but I won’t hold my breath and in FPTP UK they face a lost cause anyway.
Add in a bit of FOMO and hedging/backside covering in case infections do go up again, at least half the Tory voters being Corona bedwetters too now, and that the government are quite happy to see any/more economic damage this year to make Brexit look less worse/better next year, and the mandatory mask wearing chicanery sadly looks like a certainty.
True, though even with FPTP UKIP and then the Brexit Party frightened the Tories into a referendum and then into backing Brexit.
Interesting comparison today between two rival coffee chains in Winchester.
Costa – the number of arrows outdoors all pointing in different directions was comical. Wish I’d taken a photo. When I went inside, the seating area was closed off. They had huge Perspex screens stretching to the ceiling, similar to the security glass that tellers sit behind in banks. When I spoke to the girl behind the counter, she couldn’t hear me through the Perspex. I gave up. Ridiculous!
Nero – A couple of token Perspex screens on the counter, both small and not overwhelming. Friendly server who smiled and spoke to me like a human being. Their seating area was open. I had a laugh with the girl serving me, about the arrow system on the floor. Their arrows actually made sense and were much more subtle.
Obviously I disagree with all of this, but it’s interesting the huge variation between brands on interpreting how to make their businesses “Covid-secure” vs a welcoming environment, customers will actually want to come back to.
So we are sceptical about the lockdown, and we seem to have investigated the issue more than most people. Why? What is it about our 15% of the population that makes us different from the remaining 85%? I’d really like to know.
I suspect it’s something to do with ‘critical thinking’. Not raw intelligence or IQ which, it seems to me, can be remarkably shallow, but something to do with taking an idea further and exploring the possibilities in depth. Maybe very slowly – in my case.
I think we can see freedom ebbing away before our eyes, but many ‘intelligent’ people can’t. We probably all have friends and relatives that we thought we knew, but have been shocked to find are fully Covid-compliant. At one time I would have assumed that they had made a mistake: I could ask them “Have you thought about how long this will go on for? How long do you think would be acceptable?” and they might answer and/or begin to realise that something was awry. But I no longer think it is the case. I’m not even sure that if the government told them they would have to carry on wearing masks and… Read more »
Spot on.
Unfortunately you are right, we are being “herded” to the new future and the resistance (us) are being warn down bit by bit. There is no going back now, and I can see no way out. Only two choices – put up with it or …..
I think there’s an old Jewish proverb – whenever you have to choose between two alternatives, chose the third.
Intelligence, curiosity, wisdom. Genuine wisdom is a rare thing, one of the reasons I like Morgan Freeman so much, a wise man – watch his Oford Union appearance. His response to being asked about being African American is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFKlbYeXBQ8
DavidC
It’s puzzling
There’s probably no easy answer, but we can try to chip away at people’s fixed ideas
It’s a very difficult time but I think we should try to stay sane and be patient
Or go mad and rebel
I think our best technique is to point out the illogicalities of the various rules in a non-threatening, almost jokey way..less confrontational and might make people think..
People don’t want to think. Nor do they want to change their mind because that would mean admitting they were wrong. And they would rather live in emotional penury than admit they were wrong. Look at the government.
Barney agree. Call it ‘critical thinking’ or jut plain old ‘curiosity’ like why would anyone want to lobby for everyone on the planet be forced to wear masks?
“Interestingly, the demand for a worldwide obligation to wear masks is led by a lobby group called “masks4all” (masks for all), which was founded by a “young leader” of the Davos forum”.
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
I find it scary that people won’t question what’s going on and woe betide you if you’re sceptical about it and actually dare to have a different opinion. It’s like by having a different opinion on lockdown, masks etc that you’re suddenly condemning the entire population to death.
It’s so utterly ridiculous now and needs to be stopped. Though I’ve no idea how you do stop it?
I totally agree! Perhaps we should start a lobby group for nomasksatall.com…
I know people who didn’t seem fussed at the thought that the government could tell them not to see their own families and elderly relatives indefinitely. That’s what shocked me most, that they would just happily sit back and potentially never see them again, under the guise of “saving” them.
In terms of what makes the 15% different, I think being a natural contrarian is a good starting point – that drive to question and argue against everything, which isn’t actually always a good thing!
I have never understood people who slavishly support the lockdown without questioning it.
Oh yes it is !!
Gillian made a really strong point in reply to Hoppity’s questioning of the tag bed-wetter. Gillian made the point that being derogatory only serves to entrench positions. This has given me a genuine question I feel its worth asking.
How do mask wearing people see things going from now on? What are the expectations of people like GrantM for the future? Do they still feel that normal life will return?
I’m asking for opinions genuinely not wanting to sound mean towards people who have been scared silly by all this. The out look for people following the official line might be very bleak indeed if the have foresight.
Today I spoke with a distant friend who does not speak or read much English. I’ve tried to update them – but quite literally they had no idea really of the what and why. They are extremely depressed.
People laugh at the naive reaction of listeners to Orson Welles War of the Worlds. However reflecting on the guile and cunningby Welles to release such a disorientating scheme I have sympathy for those who were disturbed.
I think a lot of people have been so scared into thinking everyone is going to die that they don’t see the need to question what they’re being asked to do.
I also think that people still think it’s temporary and they have to do the anti social distancing, one way systems and masks etc for a period of time but life will go back to the old way.
And I think people believe that they are doing all of the above to save everyone else’s life. Whilst we should care about others lives we should not be made to be or feel 100% responsible for them all of the time. My opinion, others may have a different viewpoint.
Thanks. I still find it hard to imagine people feeling we are all in so much peril. I do think you are right that people do feel that way. Surely, for most, that terror will wear off.
If we return to normal normal I would feel as though two separate worlds have been lived for this period of time.
I see that concious switch to make each of us feel responsonsible directly for killing others by not complying with the government lockdown was a strong and central component in their physcological operation against us.
I agree with your perception about caring but not guilt tripped or coerced into curtailing public life. We depend on each other – nin functioning lockdown isn’t deoending on each other.
How about all these virtue-signalling caring people who make unnecessary trips in their cars contributing to premature deaths. Ban all cars I say.
Amb, I tend to agree with you when you say a lot of people think this current situation is temporary. Just listen to the radio or watch TV and you really wouldn’t know what’s going on outside.Adverts still offer great things,TV presenters are still ‘happy clappy’, Amazon will still deliver (as will most high-street chains even though their shops are shut),despite a bit of a blip to start with, Tesco’s shelves are full even though you have to follow silly one way systems, I still get emails telling me of cheap flights and holidays etc. etc.
Now if it had been p*ssing down for the past 100+ days, internet had disappeared, you weren’t getting paid to sit on your arse and you had to walk miles to find bread, I think people would be a bit more inquisitive as too whether we are being sold a pup or not…just a thought
I don’t think lockdown would have been possible pre internet.
Not sure it’s possible now. Not long term anyway. They couldn’t even manage it in a prison.
Yes, agree, people think every rule is a) temporary and b) that they’re selfish if they don’t go along with it..
I suspect THEY think we’re selfish if WE don’t go along with it!
Same principle applies to vaccines and it’s false. If vaccines work then it shouldn’t bother anyone else that I don’t get vaccinated. If masks work same principle applies – don’t understand why people don’t get this. I used to get furious with people who wanted other’s kids to be banned from school if they weren’t vaccinated. When I pointed out that that would imply that vaccines can’t be very effective then they went apocalyptic. You can’t educate people because no-one wants to be divested of their opinion.
On that vaccinate me to save who point – what is the logic of that? Doctors have explained it to me, I’ve read the concept of all requiring vaccines for them to be effective, but what is the logic?!
I think a lot of people are relishing the situation and would love it to continue. This is the most exciting thing that’s happened to them since Danny got blown up on Emmerdale (I invented that but you know what I mean). There’s been a lot of self important snitching, reporting of visits to supermarkets where nobody was sticking to the one way system, asserting that schools shouldn’t open because ‘it’s too soon’.
I live in a small seaside town, now inundated by tourists, so the permanently worried have been able to ratchet up the hysteria about ‘the rules’.
“This is the most exciting thing that’s happened to them….”
I think there’s a lot of truth in this. Odd, as you’d think people would rather believe good news than bad.
There are a lot of seemingly dumb or odd people in the world. Who knew?
For sure some are dumb and some are odd. But the root cause is that they’re unevolved.
One of the upsides of this bollox is that it gives them a large number of opportunities to evolve.
Nothing wrong with being odd. It’s the well-meaning who are the dangerous ones.
It’s one to tell the grandchildren. The year the world made huge sacrifices by doing nothing in particular and wearing masks to save the world. That’s why my grandchildren I am telling you this from inside a plastic bubble.
I’ve been lucky to escape the lockdown enthusiasts! Not sure why that is actually! Only one bemasked selfie coming to me through contacts!
Thats another angle though I’ve not thought about – this does play into the narc phenomenon. As you say become king and queen of the lockdown and virtue signal the heck out of things.
Done with cynicism or with real fear?
Neither, IMO! Simply that the routine of lives has been altered, different roles have had to be assumed. Change can be exciting, no thinking or reasoning needed. Start a food bank, deliver meals to the shut ins, sew masks, feel important.
Good chat. You’ve explained the sewing machine and box of old rags set up on a city stoop. Actually make your own mask inintiative going on. Its so alien to me, but now I understand some possible reasoning.
YES…. all people with no lives who love drama.
As strange as it may seem, I think a lot of people are going along with it precisely because there is very little danger to them. They will just get on with life and justify it to themselves as just a minor inconvenience because that’s really all it is to them.
I have felt that about some people I’ve encountered. No threat level percieved just getting on with whatever they told to do. Not ‘sheep’ just not upset by either the virus or the measures. I found these people had means of employment unchanged.
Its odd as I’m still working, have been throughout in public sector further education so I’m on my full salary, working from home etc and I probably should be over the moon with what the government has done.
But luckily I have a brain and am rather independent minded so I’m not good at being told what to do without a very good reason.
Bring back normal life before I go insane please.
My employers learned years ago not to saddle me with inane stupidities or idiots who assumed they were my boss but actually weren’t. They also discovered (much to my own surprise, as I’ve long considered myself to be a misanthrope) that I’m very good with people new to the job. They also know I’m not a rule taker for the sake of things. I know what I have to do, I know that my boss dishes out the work, and do what’s dished out to the best of my ability. Somehow we seem to work all right together.
I think it’s also because most people believe that “science” means experts publishing a paper and then it’s true.
They don’t take time to look at what the scientific method is, that it allows highly hypothetical work to sit right alongside heavily empirical, evidence based testing and verification. Because as long as your method is consistent to the assumptions made it is valid scientifically.
Publishing a paper means that it was deemed good enough to enter the discussion, not that it is correct in the sense that real people think correct is. It’s got a long way to go and may not get there at all.
The media are silent about it. Politicians are silent about it. Even look at what happened with Neil Ferguson’s model that was ripped apart by actual software testers. It might be good for hypothetical play but it is dangerously unethcial to apply this to the real world.
Yet that’s what happens. People are blind to this because they believe the mountain to climb to “disprove” the experts is too large. But the burdern of proof is on the claimant.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And models or studies are NOT evidence.
People don’t seem to think about *which* scientists are being used by the government, and why, and if those scientists might have an agenda, something to gain from coming to the ‘scientific’ conclusions they do..
Science is science is science! For an example see brian cox programmes .. totally impenetrable. A reputation for being wonderful, but I think a disastorous communicator.
Comprehesion is not possible and so critically thinking to discuss isn’t possible, and yet I believe people know right or wrong about a lot of what these experts say.
I see science as an elite field and that it is not common among the general population to have a grasp on. Who’s fault that is would be a long conversation. But the result is this unquestioning religious-like quality described briefly by ‘the science’.
You hit the nail on the head when you say extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The government has introduced a draconian lockdown where the economy has been shut down and basic activities we take for granted eg seeing family and friends have been criminalized. The justification deserves to come under scrutiny. How does the characteristics of the coronavirus justify the lockdown eg the mode of transmission, how infectious the disease is, the fatality rate, the severity of symptoms. Where is the scientific research to back up claims. It is argued asymptomatic carriers can spread the disease. Where is the evidence to support this? What is the justification for closing businesses? For instance, in hotels guests stay in separate rooms and don’t mix.
The majority are not willing to ask questions.
Cleverly posted this on yesterday’s page. Just sent this to the letters page of the spectator – more in hope than in expectation:
Sir,
In her otherwise excellent article, Kate Andrews refers to Covid turning “our world upside down.”
Not so. Our world has indeed been turned upside down, not by the virus itself but by the overreaction of many western governments, our own included. It may have been understandable at the end of March that any government would be panicked by public pressure and international example – not to mention the catastrophist modelling of certain academic bodies – into imposing quarantine on an entire population, but the continued obsession with the virus is irrational.
The science has become clearer over time and shows with high probability that we are not facing a virus that is epoch-defining in its lethality or transmissibility and yet our government persists in pretending otherwise and is ably assisted by continuing terror stories produced by the majority of media outlets, most notably the BBC and the Guardian. The economy can never return to normality while a proportion of the public are too scared to leave their houses and the rest would rather steer clear… Read more »
True but will never happen – they have already decided our fate.
But they lack the ability to organise the proverbial in a brewery, so I wouldn’t worry too much.
Yes,,except they are the handled not the handlers. Look up the food chain to Bill Gates et al.
Very good letter. Hope it gets published.
A friend has just sent me this – not sure if it’s already been posted here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1qTi6GKIhU
It has, but no matter. Serious Germans, albeit in an unofficial capacity, an improvement on our less than competent lot.
Just been watching Grand Prix highlights on C4. The presentation of the trophies at the end was done by robots. As if what we’ve had so far is not bad enough, now it’s ‘I, Robot’. The idiocy of world governments in this lockdown has unleashed consequences that they will not be able to control.
Switch it off! Sorry! Just my instant reaction to the obvious tech virtue signalling. Thanks for posting its good to jeep up with how much there is to despise it the world! Will greta be popping up soon with a ‘how dare they’ scowl in the direction of robots and F1 in general?
Surely robots delivering the trophies fits in pretty well with F1 ?
Robot specs, lap times, cornering abilities. mpg, etc., will provide hours of endless fun for the petrol heads. 🙂
Saint Greta will be having conniptions if the robots are petrol-powered.
When was the last time that a UK government mandated what you could or could not wear? My daughter reckons it was in the 18th century after the ’45 Jacobite uprising.
Could mask wearing be Sturgeons Culloden?
For those who haven’t worked it out wearing of the kilt was banned.
And bagpipes were considered an “offensive weapon”. But these laws didn’t last very long.
I guess the argument goes you wear a seat belt?
Various paramilitary/terrorist group outfits have been banned quite recently.
The subtle difference is that you wear a seatbelt to protect yourself. We’re being told to wear a facemask to protect others.
A fairer comparison would be wearing a straight jacket.
I agree. Focused on mandatory wearing not purpose. Straight jackets is a good comparison.
Not to protect other people..
Yeah, but I don’t have to get in a car. I do however have to go out to earn my living to buy food and pay for my shelter.
..and yet Sturgeon wasn’t wearing a mask herself..
There is this: Motor Cycles (Wearing of Helmets) Regulations 1973 (S.I., 1973, No. 180), dated 7th February 1973 which came into force on 1st June 1973. A lone active sceptic named Fred Hill was sent to prison for non-compliance.
https://bit.ly/2ZnO0hL
Just been out with OH to a country pub we often frequent, for a lovely relaxing meal. It felt more or less normal-no-one in masks and the owner and staff were keen to chat to us and welcome us back. The kitchen staff have to wear visors but those waiting on had chosen not to do so. The beer garden was full and except for fewer tables inside, it could have been any normal Sunday before lockdown-apart from the “toilet etiquette” that is.
On each table was a perspex holder containing a set of rules about using the toilet entitled “toilet etiquette”. It involved waiting to be told when you could enter the toilets, washing your hands first, sanitising the toilet and dispenser both before and after using the toilet, cleaning the handle and lock, then not touching anything again before you left the cubicle to go outside and wash your hands again. My OH was worried that he might forget one of the eight rules so would have to take them with him if he wanted to use the loo. I pointed out that these rules were aimed mainly at the ladies as they had no choice but to… Read more »
How are they going to check that then – follow you in and watch??
My OH said something to that effect, albeit rather more crudely!
Surely if they’ve provided the info and you’ve had the opportunity to read it, duty will have been done, the EHO can tick the relevant box and everyone can relax.
I have been looking at the exemptions to mask wearing in Scotland. These include “banks, building societies………undertakings which by way of business operate a currency exchange office…” . This would mean that most Post Offices are exempt from the requirements. However near where I live one Post Office is situated in a newsagents (W H Smith) while another one is inside a Spar shop so is it mask free entry to these places? Then there is a nearby M&S which includes a currency exchange; it also has a cafe (another exemption) in the premises. so again does the mask wearing requirement apply?
Hurried legislation is often poor legislation and I reckon a good lawyer would rather enjoy these Regs.
Great thoughts Guirme. Excellent. I will put that on my list of places to visit and question, never occured to me.
Hopefully the laworfiction website’s lawyers will be on it!
Well bollocks to them. If I have to wear a muzzle, I’ll bloody well make sure I wear it in the bank.
And dark glasses and a big hat pulled well down!
Just come back from a 2-way trip to eat with the wider family and have a walk.
The good news : the odd mask-wearer is the one who is looking a right berk. Keep up the non-compliance and make them feel odd!
Just putting this out there. I read an article a couple of days ago, where the PM of New Zealand has now declared the country completely “Covid free”. They haven’t had a single positive test for two weeks. They have now relaxed all restrictions including anti-social distancing. Sounds too good to be true right? BUT…
– I’m aware NZ have completely shut their borders indefinitely so what does that mean for their tourism industry?
– What happens if a single positive carrier gets into the NZ. As they’ll have no herd immunity, could that start off a new spread of Covid within their country? Are they a ticking time-bomb waiting to happen?
– What would have happened if all countries had closed their borders immediately, but still allowed the indigenous population to live freely within their own nations?
They’ve now set a precedent whereby they have to shut their borders as soon as somebody sneezes.
If a new virus appears somewhere on earth they have to shut down immediately.
AIUI, They will still have to quarantine new arrivals from overseas – so there will be no tourist industry.
They can’t afford to stop the quarantine as they have had so few cases that they’ve built no local immunity.
Or have I got this wrong?
You are absolutely correct.
Potentially they may have to quarantine for a decade as a vaccine may never be invented.
Its why the Swedish approach and the UK approach before the bedwetters got control was correct for all.
https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2020/07/06/sweden-is-back-to-normal/
I get the distinct feeling that as one thing is relaxed another 2 restrictions are put in place and we are literally being herded towards some very nasty dystopian future by being distracted. Really getting nervous about things, Boris really doesn’t want normal.
Trying to dig themselves out of the hole they’ve put us all in without admitting they got it completely wrong.
I start to relate to that.
Something else must be going on which they don’t tell us yet.
There a lot of detailed articles on the fundamental flaws of the PCR test available in German.
E.g. it’s a two part test, search and confirm, but most tests now seem to omit the much more important confirm part.
The cases in the slaughterhouses suggest susceptibility of the test to the harmless Coronaviruses in animals.
Lockdown critical doctors offered to run a more specific test on the positively tested there at their cost to check for this/rule it out, but the government of NRW refused, and even the billionaire owner Toennies, who is the most hated man in Germany at the moment, refused, although he could have been whitewashed hereby.
Add in what’s coming out on HCQ currently and the math on masks futility, and this smells far too strong.
I do like hearing all the random percentages different people like to claim the mask reduces the infection by – “10-20% for yourself but 80% reduction of infection to others” all the way down to a 5% benefit. Make up your minds!
Seen Simon Dolan’s Twitter page wit the lates data and DNA-harvesting wheeze – they are now sending out people to do Covid tests in people’s homes… *very* important that people refuse this! https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1282294106606252034?cxt=HHwWhMC9ncbsz8sjAAAA
Yeah, but a lot of people do and we are many and they are few. Stand up, stand up, stand up for your rights as the great BM said.
Boris was heavily hinting mandatory masks a couple of days ago, but Gove seems to have backed off and is placing more emphasis on persuasion. Sounds like there’s a bit of a split in cabinet. And the body representing independent shops is distinctly cool, saying mandatory masks will put off some customers. Maybe we’ll escape the horror.
Theory 1: the government has been badly advised that customers are staying away because they’re scared of catching the virus, and if everyone wears masks they won’t be so scared.
Theory 2: “they” want to keep the crisis mood going at all costs, to soften people up for compulsory this, that & goodness knows what else in future.
But Give was effectively implying if you don’t comply then we’ll make it mandatory.
*Gove
Could be either Theory 1 or 2.
What they don’t realise is how people are being put off going to the shops, pubs, hairdressers.
A friend of mine went to Manchester at the weekend. Most of the place was closed and boarded up.Tried 2 places to get a drink but had to book, finally sat down at one, pub forcing them to give full details including address and then to download an app to order from a comprehensive bar menu. Only accept cards (no tips for the staff then), they left after 25 minutes trying to order but not succeeding. Those who had stayed had all bought jugs of beers. They aren’t the only people I know who’ve said they aren’t going back until things normalise.
They left Manchester without going in to anywhere else because everything was too much hassle and they said they won’t be going back ever again and these are friends who used to go to the city a couple of times a week at least.
It seems to suit the hospitality industry for the moment to get customer details so they can use them for marketing efforts. BAD PLOY.
The CBI need to get together… Read more »
Andrew Lawrence on masks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViKDf6UIXl0
I’m praying they don’t force us dancers to wear them for dance competitions. The thought of trying to do a ballroom jive in a mask is not a pleasant thought!
Can see lots of competitors collapsing mid dance 🤦♀️
can you do a paso doble whilst maintaining appropriate social distancing??
Not totally no, well you could but I don’t personally see the point. At some comps they have kids sections already where they dance solo so no partner and it just looks so strange.
Ballroom and latin dance for me you need a partner as that’s the interaction between two people. If they bring in solo comps for adults then I’m not going.
When does the next season of clapalong (ugh) Strictly start?
So – Gove has said that he thinks muzzles might not have to be mandated, and he thinks the good sense of the people will be enough.
This COULD mean that some of the spat bile that the very idea generated may have penetrated the government mask 😷 a tiny bit.
Or, it could mean Gove, by no means the thickest of the Cabinet, has sensed that Boris is losing the dressing room and is vulnerable. Is Gove on ‘manoeuvres’? Maybe he’s remembering the last time he stabbed Boris in the back and missed an artery. His aim could be better this time.
It’s a toss up which scenario is closer to the truth. I’m a bit tempted by the latter one.
Since I have been alive every PM has been worse then the last. Gove certainly has his work cut out to maintain that tradition but I sense he might be up to the job.
lol
Ah, you young-un – I remember Heath (and Wilson)!
The first PM I was old enough to be aware of was Thatcher, so things have definitely improved but that’s not saying much!
Thatcher was the first PM I was aware of to and while I spent most my life hearing how terrible she was the older I get and the more I learn the more it seems she was actually a better PM then anyone who followed.
Do you really think Boris is losing things – no one from any party not even the 1922 committee seem to be able to do anything against Cummings (sorry I mean Boris).
Simon Heffer wrote that during Boris’s illness, there was a “bitch-fight” in the cabinet. Is it possible that the divergent advice coming from government is due to a power struggle? Boris says we need to get back to work, Hancock discusses a “right” to work from home. Somebody was pushing for mandatory masks in shops, Gove appears on TV and leaves it to the individual. I don’t think Gove is trying to stab Boris in the back, I think it’s the Health Secretary who is over-reaching himself. Then again, it could just be incompetence.
Hancock is definitely displaying megalomaniac traits.
This is the latest one, clearly aimed at harvesting more data and DNA: https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1282294106606252034?cxt=HHwWhMC9ncbsz8sjAAAA
Why are they STILL so obsessed with finding every single possible case in Leicester?!
My money is still on masks coming in. It has been decided upon long ago as can so clearly be see by the theatrical process of fake interviews with mps actually saying they agree with the interviewer’s question that masks should be worn.. Yes masks were the plan and still are. If they put them in shops then other venues must follow. But, the ray of light is I see them concerned about the fact it is not policeable. They have to be certain the social shaming programme is fully in place. That is where they are at the moment.
Have people taken the idea they will be policing each other or not?
All of it is very far away from preventing a public health disaster during a plague. This is not about anything like that as we all know.
I fear you are right – night night time is coming for me, it’s still my line in the sand.
You’re welcome here Tony anytime, get a break.
My thoughts about the depression of it all. I think I accept there are bastards in the world and rearranged my world to stop rubbing against them. I found certain changes can be made after accepting the unfairness we are born into. No point slogging on if their system is broken. So much fantastic adventure is still available to each of us just by truly switching off from them toying with our worlds. I say I’m pretty lucky in that I can find absolute pleasure in listening to the wind in leaves of trees, or watching a bird hop about – those kinds things make my day. Not everyone is the same but those simple things are all I need. Standing under the sky, my sky, on a good hill is special too.
Thanks, I just got a new camera to try and give myself a purose – but things are looking real bad at the moment – masks4everone – OMG we are stuffed now. Don’t think I will see tomorrow the way I feel now!!!
Call 116 123, Samaritans, now.
Past that sorry
Just try it. Press the buttons, speak to them.
Are you in UK? Where?
Yes London
Come on Tony, you have a lot of allies here. Do you suffer from depression anyway? No shame in that.
There are 67 million people in the UK. Don’t think for a minute they’ll all be wearing masks. There are more dissenters than you think. And don’t believe the polls.
OK, decided to see what our beloved leader announces tomorrow, just so many sheeple wanting this utter crap
Here’s what I say. Give yourself time. Clearly it’s not good to be looking day to day as you are. So stop that – it changes nothing other than gice yourself a month with your camera. Set a target. One picture a day say, or a diary for the month. Not saying things will be better or worse. But by simply giving yourself time to focus on the challenge of creating a good photo to two can’t be bad. Photography is a great way to waste hpurs waiting and observing.
Trick is to say bugger it and give yourself time.
Spot on
Mason Mills posted it would happen way back on 3rd April, joking (grrr) that masks would be a popular Christmas present…
But they still have to deal with people who are exempt for medical reasons. Imagine someone who drops dead because they are shamed for not wearing a mask because their condition was acute anxiety and a panic attack induced a coronary. That’ll put the cat amongst the pigeons.
In-for-me, in-for-me!
My muse has gone all Scottish. Sorry about the spacing – gremlin in computer.
The Muse wishes it to be known that the below song is in no way aimed at the noble and dauntless Scots who frequent this site, or at any other opponent of the Poison Dwarfess:
Seems appropriate