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Did Dominic Cummings’s press conference in the Downing Street rose garden yesterday succeed in taking the heat out of whether or not he should resign following his trip to his parents’ farm in Durham? For a while it seemed to, but this is a dumpster fire that refuses to go out. Today, Douglas Ross, a junior minister in the Scottish Office, has resigned over the matter.

“While the intentions may have been well meaning, the reaction to this news shows that Mr Cummings’s interpretation of the Government advice was not shared by the vast majority of people who have done as the Government asked,” Mr Ross said.

This comes after more than 30 Conservative MPs have called for Cummings to go. In another attempt to quell the flames, Matt Hancock announced at today’s press briefing that the Government would be reviewing those fines issued to people for breaching lockdown rules to seek childcare.

But the Prime Minister is unlikely to do a U-turn, even though his approval ratings have dropped 20 points in the wake of the controversy, according to the Telegraph.

Dead Cat Announcement

In what was widely seen as a “dead cat” move – a political term referring to a politician’s attempt to deflect attention from an embarrassing story by throwing a dead cat on the table – Boris announced at yesterday’s press briefing that high street shops, department stores and shopping centres are set to reopen on June 15th in the biggest easing of the lockdown since it was imposed on March 23rd. The Prime Minister added that outdoor markets and car showrooms would be the first to open on June 1st provided they had social distancing measures in place.

Boris also said the Government would be updating its “plan to rebuild” the British economy, and the update was published on the Government’s website this morning. You can read a summary of what’s new in the Telegraph.

According to the Times, At Cabinet yesterday Mr Johnson told ministers about his plans to allow people to hold barbecues and garden parties at the end of next month with a limited numbers of guests. The move is part of a broader plan to allow people to mix with a “bubble” of friends and family. The Prime Minister also said that the British Grand Prix would go ahead in July.

But don’t get out the bunting quite yet. In most non-essential shops, it will be a case of “look, don’t touch“, says the Times:

Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, said that shopping would be different when the restrictions are lifted. “We need to ensure that some of the shopping habits people may have grown used to in the pre-Covid days are habits that we exercise a degree of restraint on,” he told BBC Breakfast.

“So when it comes to touching and testing goods, when it comes to trying on clothing, when it comes to trying make-up and so on, that all of us exercise restraint in not doing that and recognise that as these stores reopen, it is a new normal.”

COVID-19 as a Workplace Hazard – Part 2

On May 15th I published an excellent article by an occupational health doctor about the economic risks of treating COVID-19 as a workplace health hazard, similar to asbestos. He pointed out the difficulties this created, particularly for small businesses that might not be able to afford the additional costs associated with making their work environments compliant with the new health and safety regulations:

Every single employee, returning to almost any workplace in the country, now needs to be risk assessed to characterise the risk to their safety. For many, this will be a quick process. But for many others with common, chronic health conditions (who will number several millions nationally), it will require significant resource to undertake assessments. As there is little guidance available and given the fear of a backlash from the media, unions, lawyers or the authorities, many employers will feel forced into excluding workers, even where there is little evidence that this is necessary. Employees may feel forced back in fear of their lives, whilst others will not be allowed back despite being desperate for a return to normality.

Since then, the Government has issued some guidance about how to make workplaces “safe” but it is incomplete and ambiguous and I don’t hold out much hope of it being adequately fleshed out when it’s updated. In particular, it over-estimates the expert guidance that anxious company directors will have access to. The same occupational health doctor has written a follow-up, reviewing the latest guidance, and concluded that if the Government doesn’t raise its game the economic recovery will be far slower than it needs to be:

The end of lockdown will only signal the beginning of the next phase of this crisis. The potential for COVID-19 workplace measures to continue to exert drag on the economic recovery is clear and a failure of Government to adequately address the support that employers need can only prolong the damage to businesses and livelihoods. Without this leadership, businesses and organisations of all types will continue to wallow in confusion, while all the while being vilified by the press. There will always need to be some degree of local interpretation of guidance or legislation, but fundamental misunderstandings need leadership otherwise the resulting confusion and chaos will only serve to prolong the damage to the economy and to livelihoods.

Worth reading in full.

Irish Taoiseach Flouts Lockdown Rules

Irish premier Leo Varadkar (second left), his partner Matt Barrett (left) and two friends (right, one standing and one crouching) in Dublin’s Phoenix Park yesterday

Leo Varadkar, the Irish Taoiseach, was photographed topless in Dublin’s Phoenix Park yesterday, despite official warnings against having picnics. Tsk, tsk. Will he read out a long statement in the Irish equivalent of the rose garden – the shamrock garden? – and then take questions from a baying mob of journalists?

Will Blue States Fare Worse Than Red States, Post-Lockdown?

Some interesting data in today’s Wall St Journal. Nearly two-thirds of leisure and hos­pi­tal­ity jobs in New York and New Jer­sey and about half in Cal­i­for­nia and Illi­nois dis­ap­peared be­tween Feb­ruary and April com­pared to 43% in Flor­ida, which was among the last states to lock down and first to re­open. Flor­ida Gov. Ron De­San­tis also pro­vided ex­emp­tions for lower-risk businesses includ­ing con­trac­tors, man­u­fac­tur­ers and some re­tail­ers. Four per­cent of con­struc­tion work­ers in Flor­ida lost their jobs com­pared to 41% in New York, 27% in New Jer­sey, 17% in Cal­i­for­nia and 11% in Illi­nois.

Worth remembering that as recently as last week the Washington Post’s Ben Terris and Josh Dawsey dismissed Gov. DeSantis as a typical “Florida Man”, with his “devil-may-care” attitude and “oafish” demeanour. That’s liberal, Ivy League code for “conservative”. Turns out, DeSantis made the right call.

HMRC Officers So Worried About Catching Covid They Won’t Calculate Inheritance Tax

Every cloud, as they say.

I got an interesting email from a self-employed man today who’s business has been disrupted by over-anxious employees at Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (that’s the UK’s IRS to my American readers):

I am a self-employed will writer who also assists clients with probate and estates and am lucky that I’ve been able to continue my business, albeit at a reduced level, during lockdown. Sadly, the same cannot be said of our glorious public sector.

One of my clients has been advised by HMRC, in relation to his late mother’s estate, that “due to current measures to control the spread of coronavirus we are not able to send you copies of your Inheritance Tax calculations”. Presumably, some idiot has advised them that there is a risk of the virus spreading to the wider community on the paper calculations, but, apart from the fact that I believe it is unlawful for them not to show my client how the tax has been calculated, they advised him of this by (yes, you guessed it) sending him a letter in the post! I wonder if some muppet licked the stamp?

The world, or at least the one inhabited by the public sector, really has gone mad.

Good Briefing Document on Why Schools Should Reopen

The Reopen Maryland group, which is petitioning the Governor of Maryland to end the shutdown, has produced an excellent briefing document, laying out the case for reopening schools. Some of the highlights:

  • Schools that have reopened haven’t caused a rise in infections anywhere and those countries that never closed schools, such as Taiwan, haven’t seen a higher death rate than those that have.
  • The ​World Health Organisation’s chief scientist says ​children seem “less capable” of spreading coronavirus and are at “very low risk” of illness.
  • Children accounted for fewer than 2% of total COVID-19 cases​ in a large CDC study​, and of those children who did contract the virus, ​a maximum of 2%​ required hospitalization. Almost no children have died of COVID-19 anywhere.
  • Remote learning can be ​less effective than face-to-face learning.
  • Remote learning disadvantages children with special education needs​, as well as students from poor backgrounds and those for whom English is a second language.
  • Spring 2020 closures are estimated to place students 30-50% behind where they would otherwise have been, with more significant​ loss in maths. Some students will lose ​almost a full year ​of growth from the spring term closure alone.
  • There is widespread agreement that school closure is ​harmful to children’s mental health​, with parents reporting increased depression, stress, anxiety and suicidal ideation.
  • The economic impact of school closure and interruptions to learning are substantial and harmful.

New German Anti-Lockdown Medical/Scientific Group

A new initiative in Germany has been launched called Medical Professionals and Scientist for Health, Freedom and Democracy. “Our credo is to act on evidence-based science with common sense and empathy, for the sake of health and freedom in a democratic society,” it says in this English-language YouTube video. One of the people involved is Dr Bobo Schiffmann, co-founder of Widerstand 2020, the German anti-lockdown party. But the driving force appears to be Professor Sucharit Bhakdi, Director of the Institute for Medical Microbiology. He is a long-standing lockdown sceptic and penned an open letter to Angela Merkel last month which was translated on Peter Hitchens’s blog.

The Big Debate

“Take that, Labash, you lockdown zealot.”

I’ve just concluded a debate on the lockdown policy with Matt Labash in the pages of the Spectator USA. It started off as a light-hearted, humorous exchange of the kind you might witness in a gentleman’s club, but quickly degenerated into a schoolyard knife fight. I think we covered most of the issues, although I didn’t linger on the economic argument and herd immunity gets nary a mention. Hard to know whether either of us will have changed anyone’s mind. Probably not.

Here’s Matt trying to goad me with some death data:

Skeptics love to quibble about the true mortality rate of Covid. Which, fine. I get that. Any reliable analysis has to concede that God-knows-how-many people are walking around asymptomatically, never even thinking to get tested, let alone, dying. However, there’s another supremely inconvenient statistical reality that the skeptics dodge, almost as often as they dodge giving the death toll, when discussing Covid-19’s lethality.

And that is: how many people are dying who actually do get logged as identified cases? That’s not a model, that’s perfectly knowable right now. In the US, we have 1,674,054 total cases, as of this writing. (Again, these numbers are obsolete almost as soon as I set them down, since they’re always ticking up.) And we’ve had 98,315 deaths. Aside from that meaning that one out of every 198 Americans is identifiably infected with the coronavirus, it also means of those cases, 5.9 percent die. And that number hasn’t budged in weeks, no matter how much more we’ve tested, no matter how many more cases are added to the pile.

It’s even worse in other hotspots. Way worse. Spain and Italy both test at a higher per capita rate than we do. Yet Spain’s death toll among diagnosed cases is 10.1 percent. Italy’s is 14.2 percent. And while I respect your skepticial (or sceptical) propensity to ask some tough questions, I wouldn’t rest easy if I were you, either. The UK’s current death rate among identified cases is a whopping 14.1 percent.

And this is my irritable response:

I’m afraid your back-of-the-envelope calculation of the infection fatality rates in different countries are worthless. The number of cases doesn’t reflect the number who’ve been infected – not even close. To get that figure you need to carry out seroprevalence surveys, as John Ioannidis and his team at Stanford have done. In Ioannidis’s latest preprint, he calculated the infection fatality rate by looking at 12 seroprevalence studies in which the population sample size was higher than 500. His conclusion is that it’s ‘in the same ballpark as seasonal flu’, i.e. between 0.1 percent and 0.2 percent. Yes, your chances of dying from COVID-19 are higher than being struck by lightning, but not much.

But we’re getting distracted here. The argument against the lockdowns isn’t that the virus isn’t as deadly as people initially thought. It’s that there’s no evidence they suppress fatalities. I don’t know how many different ways to say this so that it sinks in. Some non-pharmaceutical interventions work – Taiwan’s decision to quarantine people entering the country in early January was smart and South Korea’s track-and-trace programme has been effective. But stay-at-home orders don’t work. That’s the reason I have every sympathy with those protestors in states like Michigan and Colorado. The civil rights of hundreds of millions of Americans, which are supposedly guaranteed by your constitution, have been suspended needlessly. They should be restored immediately.

Worth reading in full.

Trump Regrets Ordering the Shutdown – Or Does He?

In typical style, President Trump has given an interview in which he admits he wouldn’t have ordered the shutdown on March 13th if he’d known then what he knows now – and then immediately contradicted himself and said it was an “incredible” decision, a “great” decision, one that saved “hundreds of thousands of lives”.

Here’s a transcript of the relevant bit of the interview with Sharyl Attkisson of the syndicated American TV show Full Measure:

President Trump: So I was hearing millions of people, and it would have been millions of people if we didn’t shut down. Now, would I shut it down again? No, because we understand it now much better. We didn’t know anything about it, it was new, it was fresh.

Sharyl: You mean you would not have, in retrospect, shut down the –

President Trump: I would have done exactly. We’ve done the exact moves that I would have done. And I did it early. Tony Fauci, Dr. Birx, they all said what I did was incredible. In retrospect, Tony, as you know, never thought he was going to be as severe as it was. And we’re talking about months later, a long time after I did the ban. I did a ban and nobody thought I should do it. I mean, literally I don’t think anybody thought I should do it. I made that decision by myself and it turned out to be a great decision. Hundreds of thousands of lives are saved.

Latest Episode of London Calling

Lucky for Dom, the two best reporters in the UK weren’t present in the Downing Street rose garden yesterday

James Delingpole and I debate Cummings-gate in the latest episode of our weekly podcast. We both agree: he shouldn’t resign because he drove to Durham with his wife and son, but his decision to support the lockdown is unforgivable. Listen to the whole riveting discussion here.

If you enjoy London Calling please do subscribe.

Round-Up

And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Theme Tune Suggestions

Some more suggestions for theme songs from readers: “Cut Your Hair” by Walk Disco, “I Never Promised You A Rose Garden” by Dominic Cummings Lynn Anderson and “Can I Have My Money Back” by Gerry Rafferty.

Small Businesses That Have Reopened

A couple of weeks ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have reopened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet.

We may not have to keep this service going for much longer, following yesterday’s announcement that car showrooms and outdoor markets would be allowed to reopen on June 1st and all other non-essential retail outlets from June 15th, including shops selling clothes, shoes, toys, furniture, books, and electronics, together with tailors, auction houses, photography studios. and indoor markets.

Still no news about when pubs, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, gyms and outdoor sporting arenas can reopen, though.

There will also be plenty of over-anxious Covidiocy to report on. According to today’s Times, shoes tried on in newly-opened shoe shops will be quarantined for 24 hours.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

Violent Amnesia by Oscar Murillo, aged three-and-a-half 32

Some good news amid the gloom. The Turner Prize has been cancelled. The picture above is by last year’s joint winner Oscar Murillo.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

. https://www.thelocal.no/20200525/infection-rates-in-norway-too-low-to-justify-broad-testing

“If 12,000 random people were tested in Norway today, the Norwegian Institute of Public Health estimated in a press release issued on Monday, 15 would test positive, of which only one would have a real coronavirus infection. “

Yesterday was posted the new Wuhan mass testing 8 million people in 10 days showing 200 “asymptomatic carriers”. The whole mass testing was totally meaningless as most was the above. False positive.

The world and the WHO think the Chinese handling of Covid-19 epidemic is remarkable scientific led?

A13
A13
6 years ago

Not sure if a repost (too many comments to scroll down and check!)

This is cracking me up right now

https://www.standard.co.uk/tech/gaming/dominic-cummings-barnard-castle-ps4-game-a4451671.html

Nobody2020
Nobody2020
6 years ago

We are not alone. People are waking up, or already awake but were staying silent. Check the comments here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8360963/Two-households-meet-week-larger-family-friend-bubble-reunions-delayed.html#reader-comments

Nobody2020
Nobody2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2020

My contribution, posting it here for posterity:

People die, it’s a sad fact of life. Are you willing to give up everything you once thought was normal because somebody told you Uncle John is not allowed to die from COVID-19 but we’ll allow him to die of something else sometime in the future? If we stop people dying from this virus, why should we stop there? Why has this virus been arbitrarily chosen as an unacceptable way to die? Look at the statistics, 350k dead in the whole world out of 7 Billion people. And there’s little evidence the numbers would have been higher without a lockdown but there’s plenty of evidence to suggest they made little difference. So is giving up a normal life a price worth paying just so people can die of something else because that’s essentially what’s being asked of you.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2020

Very wise words. There are some people in my life I would say that to, some I would hesitate. Not sure I would say it to colleagues unless I knew them very well. I should perhaps be less of a coward, as it is a poweful argument.

A13
A13
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2020

That’s a big change in public opinion from when i last checked comments on dailymail.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

More and more people out and about today, in groups. Youngsters and the middle aged. No police – round my way they seem to have given up. Now we need to work on the mad rules that are coming to regulate the life out of every public and commercial space.

AidanR
AidanR
6 years ago

Tick tock.. has Toby keeled over in his garden shed? Someone should get Mrs Toby to check on him.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

If he’s in a state anything like as bad as Boris is looking, it’s probably too late!

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

😀 perhaps it will be a good one today!

Sceptic
Sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

He’s probably fed up with the rude comments

AidanR
AidanR
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

That is 1st class – well worth a read, thank you, sir.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Thank you! Very good.

AidanR
AidanR
6 years ago

New Comedy Unleashed video with Leo Kearse about lockdown-loving wan**rs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wh39yxVfhY

Made me chuckle.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

“F**k me, it doesn’t take much to turn a leftie into a Nazi”

Many a true word…

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

As we have found with the current PM and cabinet!

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Touche!

Also: “Protesting against an oil rig by driving a plastic boat out that’s burning oil is like protesting against an abortion clinic by drop-kicking babies through the window.”

He’s got some lines that Leo Kearse.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Comedy: quarantined

Accurate

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago

And I thought I was bad with the html … 🙂

AidanR
AidanR
6 years ago

A little bit of good news…

https://twitter.com/policyatkings/status/1265653974604091397

Support for the lockdown down from 9/10 in April to 4/10 now.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

But is it that they are thinking it is not strong enough / being eased “too quickly”? I fear this is the reason for the drop.

bluefreddy
bluefreddy
6 years ago

I have just watched Boris face the liaison committee too, and I have a new hero and good news. Greg Clark, chairman of the science and technology committee, asked Boris why SAGE had recommended the longest anti-social distance in the world. Boris said he’d asked them that himself. Greg Clark asked what they replied. Bla bla. Greg Clark said: “Perhaps you can ask SAGE to review their advice with a few to reducing it to 1 metre, and publish what they say, before the shops open on 14th June.” Boris replied that he already had. Woo hoo!!!

I then found that Greg Clark has written a letter to SAGE:

https://twitter.com/CommonsSTC/status/1263877510451933191/photo/1

At last – a politician with some sense….

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  bluefreddy

He is very bright and I got the impression a couple of weeks ago that he was ‘on the case’ of the dodgy Imperial model. A decent Northerner too, what’s not to like? If only he had been a Brexiter! Meanwhile, we have the somewhat less impressive Hancock at the press conference.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago

‘Somewhat’????

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

Well, you have to be a bit careful not to be too restrictive to leave some space for Professor ‘I talk very slowly so you might think I am intelligent’ Van-Tam!

MiriamW
MiriamW
6 years ago
Reply to  bluefreddy

Don’t worry. Cummings will instruct SAGE to advise sticking with 2 metres. ‘Hope I’m wrong!

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  MiriamW

I hope you are too – and, although that may be too hopeful with the current crew, maybe Rishi might point how wise for the economy a reduction would be (to zero of course would be the sane decision).

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  bluefreddy

This, to me, is the crux of the matter and explains why we have ended up in this dead end place – it’s the usual ‘blame game’.

As already explained by someone on here earlier today, the govt slogan ‘following the science’ is a political tool that enables politicians to avoid getting fingered when things go wrong – ‘Blame the scientists, not us, mate’.

SAGE Committee obviously knows this and to avoid being scapegoated, their advice is always to proceed with the utmost caution, irrespective of anything else – you can’t be blamed for being too cautious approach.

Result is political stalemate and stagnation.

Maybe Greg Clark can get us out of the black hole the govt has created.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago

Well, this makes as much sense as the lockdown does, so good point! 😄

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago

I see people have been making improvements to Ferguson’s code. Well done.

paulito
paulito
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Totally wiping it would be the only improvement posible.

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago

My sentiments entirely.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago

Just watching Boris getting a roasting in front of the Liaison Committee. Admitted he only receives a summary of ‘the science’ from SAGE, presumably with Dominic Cummings’ expert scientific overview based on his many years working in the field of scientific inquiry. So much for that. I learned something new – do the rest of you know this? The TTT system is being overseen by Dido Harding – Google her – she was at the helm of TalkTalk when they had the massive data breach. Sorry Toby, know she is an alumna of your alter mater, but you couldn’t make this Sh1t up. We really are finished as a country!

eastberks44
eastberks44
6 years ago

Dido Harding was also in charge of Talk Talk when they failed to transfer my mother’s phone line as she moved a few hundred yards down the road into a McCarthy and Stone apartment, within the same local telephone exchange area as she had been living for the previous 10 years. For 3 weeks she was without service. “Provisioning Failure” they called it. I had to spend untold hours on the line to call centres in India, South Africa and the Phillipines, when the fault clearly needed to be fixed by someone local to her home in Devon. Eventually I had to give up and get her a new number with a different provider. She is a vulnerable person, with dementia, in the “shielding” group. And Dido Harding does not care about her enough to make sure her phone works. There is no way I am trusting her with the tracing app.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

Worth bearing in mind here that, in view of the Bloomberg leak about Cummings’ actions in the SAGE meetings, it appears likely he was both “pushing” panic in the SAGE meetings and then “pulling” it further when advising the PM on how to respond to the advice that resulted from his activity in the meetings.

arfurmo
arfurmo
6 years ago

Hmm not sure if I agree or not with that

americansceptic
americansceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Sorry about that- I posted new comment with actual attachment. Tried pasting, that was result, cant figure out how to delete comment.

Gossamer
Gossamer
6 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

That’s the most I’ve laughed in ages!

americansceptic
americansceptic
6 years ago

Sorry for spammy comment- link didnt work. Here is the image. NO correlation between length of lockdown and “Time to Peak” deaths.

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Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago

So, not only is Norway moving towards Sweden’s commonsense approach to covid 19 but the Norwegian Institute of Public Health Director General has said:

‘The institute reported at the start of this month that the reproduction number had already fallen to as low as 1.1 even before the lockdown was announced on March 12.

 

This suggests that it would not have required heavy-handed measures such as school closures to bring it below 1 and so push the number of infected people in the country into a gradual decline. 

 

“The scientific backing was not good enough,” Stoltenberg said of the decision to close down schools and kindergartens, a policy her agency had not recommend even at the time it was instituted in March.’

https://www.thelocal.no/20200522/norway-could-have-controlled-infection-without-lockdown-health-chief

What’s that noise? Sounds a bit like wheels coming off the lockdown lorry……..

spelldispel
spelldispel
6 years ago

Just thought of something. The Coronavirus Regulations 2020 are quite an extensive statutory instrument. They wouldn’t have just been whipped up quickly and were ready to go a few days before Boris made his announcement. Have we been hoodwinked all along and that herd immunity was never the approach that was going to be taken and that lockdown was planned from the outset?

Max
Max
6 years ago
Reply to  spelldispel

“They wouldn’t have just been whipped up quickly”

Wrong. That is what professional civil servants do for a living. With modern technology (including templates for various sections) they could easily have been drafted within 24 hours.

What usually takes the time with such legislation is the parliamentary scrutiny, but in this case there was none.

spelldispel
spelldispel
6 years ago
Reply to  Max

Hmmm very defensive! They wouldn’t have been written that quickly, they would have needed to have been cross referenced back to primary act they are hung off and all the amendments to that act, which i imagine there are many. this would have taken more than 24 hours.

spelldispel
spelldispel
6 years ago
Reply to  spelldispel

To add I have just checked the statutory instruments again, The Coronavirus Act 2020 which is the primary legislation is hung off some act from 1984, can’t remember what it is called, then there are secondary pieces of legislation, which are Coronavirus Regulations amending other pieces of primary legislation. To date there are over 100 pieces of legislation relating to the Coronavirus, many of which were go to go before Boris made his speech.

Max
Max
6 years ago
Reply to  spelldispel

The point I’m making is that software can now do much of the cross referencing. It’s true someone then has to check the references but with an army of people on it (which there would have been in crisis mode) 24 hours is not impossible. But I give you it might have been 48 or 96. But all are infinitely more plausible than the idea they had them hidden in a drawer just waiting for the moment they were given the order to instigate world domination.

spelldispel
spelldispel
6 years ago
Reply to  Max

Not buying it. The primary legislation is was written from scratch and is very long, can’t find the traffic light thing that shows the dates it was heard in sittings but from memory I am sure they were initially put before Parliament the week before Boris made his speech and then enacted a couple of days after. I am not saying they were sat in a draw but could easily have been written a few weeks before. Civil Services software being able to materilaise this quickly, give over, they can’t even produce consolidated legislation you have to cross reference everything back to source! As this is before even looking and the secondary legislation. Why have you introduced world domination into the discussion?

Max
Max
6 years ago
Reply to  spelldispel

Apologies- I had read the original post as suggesting the lockdown plan pre-dated the current outbreak completely. I agree that work on legislative options could well have started early in the outbreak during the spring, when the number of cases was still low.
That said I still think herd immunity was the initial objective, because there would have been no point in even mentioning it if it wasn’t. But the initial lockdown was seen as a tool in achieving herd immunity in a controlled way. What changed was after the lockdown was already in force, the objective was changed from “flattening the curve” to total suppression, with consequences that had not been considered in the initial decision.

Mark Hunter
Mark Hunter
6 years ago
Reply to  spelldispel

I was told by the spouse of a police officer 4 days before lockdown was announced that lockdown would was going to be announced. That’s what the nation’s police had been alerted to.

R P
R P
6 years ago
Reply to  spelldispel

I think that the legislation was drafted as part of a ‘Exercise Cygnus’, so was ready to go. https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/exercise-cygnus-uk-government-exercise-justifies-covid-19-lockdown

Jacob Nielson
Jacob Nielson
6 years ago

Test

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Jacob Nielson

You have passed the test

DressageRider
DressageRider
6 years ago

Sorry if this is already posted. Some days ago. I tried to sign one of the petitions posted up here, forget which one or who set it up. I have just now had this email:







Sorry, we can’t accept the petition you supported – “Investigate influence vaccine industry has had on our response to covid 19”.

It included confidential, libellous, false or defamatory information, or a reference to a case which is active in the UK courts.

We can’t publish petitions that include false or unproven statements, including about the views or influence of individuals or organisations. We have published the following petition, which you might like to sign: Hold a Public Inquiry into the handling of the Covid-19 crisis: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/302576 The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency regulates medicines, including vaccines, in the UK. The MHRA is responsible for ensuring that all medicines used in the UK meet applicable standards of safety, quality and efficacy. The Government has set out its own plans to support the development of a vaccine for coronavirus, including creating a Vaccine Taskforce, funding domestic trials, and providing funding to international research on the disease. It is already against the law for… Read more »

Anoymous
Anoymous
6 years ago

An original anti-lockdown song “F*** the new normal”
https://youtu.be/KEfIBRT1gdw

LGDTLK
LGDTLK
6 years ago

One piece of anecdata to impart. A friend of mine is a senior manager with a global logistics company. He tells me that as
a result of this his company have 35% of their back office furloughed. This has enabled their number crunchers to estimate that they can operate normally with far fewer employees – current estimate is that even in normal times they are overmanned by around 15%. Many of those expecting to return are now likely to find their services are no longer required.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  LGDTLK

Yes this is something that will happen quite a bit. There will also be more startups because of all the people who lost their jobs, many of whom will be highly skilled and motivated etc.

Ianric
Ianric
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Could the lockdown discourage people setting up business because they may worry they will find themselves in another lockdown where they can’t operate their business.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

That’s why it’s important for the economic recovery that they draw a line under the whole thing. If people are nervous about stuff like that it becomes self-fulfilling.

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago
Reply to  LGDTLK

This has been spreading like wildfire among CMOs. If you can do home working why not outsource to India?

GLT
GLT
6 years ago

Witness statement now available to view on Simon Dolan’s crowd justice page. Reading it through is a really useful reminder of how we ended up here…

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  GLT

I’ve just read it through, in complete horror really. Seeing it all in black and white like that, makes you realise just how badly this has all been handled, and probably illegally too.

Stefan
Stefan
6 years ago

Lockdown was not needed to tame Covid, says Norway

Norway is assembling a picture of what happened before lockdown using observed data – hospital figures, infection numbers and so on – to assess the situation in the country in March. At the time, no one really knew. It was feared that Covid was rampant with each person infecting two or three others – and only lockdown could stop this exponential growth by cutting the R number to 1 or lower. But the country’s public health authority has published a report with a striking conclusion: the virus was never spreading as fast as had been feared and was already on the way out when lockdown was ordered. ‘It looks as if the effective reproduction rate had already dropped to around 1.1 when the most comprehensive measures were implemented on 12 March, and it would not take much to push it down below 1… We have seen in retrospect that the infection was on its way out.’

This raises an awkward question: was lockdown necessary? Could voluntary social distancing alone have achieved the same outcome? Camilla Stoltenberg, director of Norway’s public health agency, has given an interview where she is candid about… Read more »

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Stefan

A great irony if Norway sticks to this, because we all (most of us) thought that Sweden was going to be the “Great White Hope” for lockdown sceptics, by stopping short of lockdown and giving us a “control”, and Norway became a headache for us because everyone said they’d done so much better than Sweden.

TyRade
TyRade
6 years ago

Just read your tussle with the Labash fellow, Toby. You kept your cool with a Cummings-like aplomb! Really, the fellow would never make a high school debating team. ‘This house believes lockdown is stupid’ was the motion, more or less. His digressions into body counts (vs wars), Trump being a bigger fool than Cuomo etc were off topic and soon became boorish. Yet you pluckily continues casting evidential and statistical pearls before the ‘swine’! Bravo!

skill
skill
6 years ago
Reply to  TyRade

people are doing it now, they are so far behind the curve it’s embarrassing m.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago

Help, Toby! I’m drowning in messages and losing my way.

I love ’em all and want to read them all. But isn’t it time this turned into a proper forum, with threads?

Hail to the new chattering classes – the ones that chatter sense!

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yes a forum would be a great idea!

AidanR
AidanR
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

Seconded! (Or thirded or whatever)

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I setup a forum for Lockdown Sceptics a couple of weeks ago, it’s only got about 20 users on at the mo, but if anyone wants to use it rather than losing track of blogs messages then you can happily use it:

https://lockdownsceptics.com/

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

That’s great Thanks!

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
6 years ago

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/june-2020/boriss-corona-catastrophe/

I can’t argue with Simon Heffer on his criticism of Johnson the article doesn’t hold back any punches!

Max
Max
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Appropriately (and forensically) excoriating article.
Unfortunately it’s an indictment on our entire political system that at the last election the public were presented with such a derisory choice of options.

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago

Could I have your thoughts on sending kids back to school?

I don’t have any objection to kids going back to school because of the virus and there only being a very low risk anyway.

My main concern is with the social distancing that is going to be put in place, and the prospect f the children being educated and nurtured in an abnormal social environment that could affect their mental health and the way they perceive the world.

I am worried that teaching in these kind of environments cause cause anxiety issues as well over the fear of not wanting to be close to other children, which could be damaging when forming friendships whilst growing up and in later life.

I think this is all being overlooked when considering sending children back to school.

Geraint
Geraint
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

You are right to be v concerned. What is being proposed for schools is grotesque. The ‘social distancing’ bandwagon is well and truly running, and it is the most corrosive nonsense of this whole sorry episode. Thread below has one good idea: FOI request ‘on what basis is Department of Education imposing these draconian requirements?’

Adele Bull
Adele Bull
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

You should see the risk assessments we’ve had to do! 😳 We’re lucky we only have year 6 to accommodate, so we have the room. 60 kids split into four class “bubbles” with no mixing between. Lunch to be eaten at desks and separate outdoor time. Admin staff cannot mix with staff or children, key worker children, who have been in the whole time cannot mix with year six, even if they are year six! Hand sanitizer on way in, hand washing practically all day, and a four day week so we can deep clean in a Friday. Christ knows what they’ll make if it!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Adele Bull

Good grief!! You (and the children) have my sympathy.

LuluJo
LuluJo
6 years ago
Reply to  Adele Bull

If I had school age children I would definitely not send them to school under such absurd and frankly disturbing conditions. This is far more terrifying than any virus. You have my sympathy for having to implement such things. I only hope this is all short lived and our children do not have to suffer such measures for too long.

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  Adele Bull

How to induce rampant fear and OCD in young children, not to m the effects on their physical health, being stuck in their seats all day, including lunch.
It’s totally unnecessary, and potentially harmful.
It’s turning schools into prisons.

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

the schools have been prisons for a long time. The only good thing about the lockdown that the snivelling bed wetting commie weirdos can’t teach their anti family anti human drug abusing porn loving nonsense to children at the moment.

R P
R P
6 years ago
Reply to  Adele Bull

I have seen a nursery requiring 3 year olds to come with a mask. It doesn’t get more disturbing than that.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

Just put in a FOI request to the Government lead Department:



Sirs,



In The health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 it states:



“Serious and imminent threat declaration

3.—(1) These Regulations apply where the Secretary of State declares, by notice published on http://www.gov.uk, that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus constitutes a serious and imminent threat to public health, and that the incidence or transmission of Coronavirus is at such a point that the measures outlined in these Regulations may reasonably be considered as an effective means of preventing the further, significant transmission of Coronavirus (“serious and imminent threat declaration”).

(2) The Secretary of State may revoke a serious and imminent threat declaration by way of a subsequent notice published on http://www.gov.uk.

(3) Before making a declaration under paragraph (1), or revoking a declaration under paragraph (2), the Secretary of State must have due regard to any advice from the Chief Medical Officer or one of the Deputy Chief Medical Officers of the Department of Health and Social Care. “



What was the advice given by the  Chief Medical Officer or one of the Deputy Chief Medical Officers of the Department of Health and Social Care prior to this notice being issued?



… Read more »

Kevin
Kevin
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

It’s all very odd. What got me started on this whole journey was when I found out that covid19 had been removed from the government’s high consequence infectious disease list four days before lockdown. I still haven’t found out why that is when we’ve been told it’s so infectious. I think the whole act is unlawful, there was never a serious and imminent threat, just a grossly exaggerated one. This government is the worst in the history of this country for what it’s done yet most people are so brainwashed they can’t even see it so they’ll probably get away with it!

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

This legislation was strange as well,

The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020

Made

at 6.50 a.m. on 10th February 2020

Laid before Parliament

at 2.30 p.m. on 10th February 2020

Coming into force in accordance with article 1(1)

Citation, commencement and application

1.—(1) These Regulations may be cited as the Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 and come into force immediately after they are made.

(2) These Regulations apply in relation to England only.

So written in the morning, put before Parliament in the afternoon and commenced immediately upon placing before Parliament.

They then waited 6+ weeks to bring in the Statutory Instrument The Coronavirus Act 2020.

I read a while back that the downgrading of the HCID was purely a medical decision and that no politicians are involved in this decision. Will try and find the link.

Maybe this was the medical people’s way of telling us it was all bullshit as they could not say it in public.

Like more and more countries – medics and scientists said no lockdown, politicians said we’re going for it.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/advisory-committee-on-dangerous-pathogens#membershipFound the ACDP Committee make-up on the gov.uk website – no politicians

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

It might be highly infectious, i.e. easily contracted, like a cold, but for those of working age, far less deadly than the flu.
It’s in those of 60+ with other conditions that it’s a significant risk to. Had the NHS (and other healthcare systems in other countries) not sent at-risk patients from hospitals into care homes, the death toll would have been lower.

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Was this not so they could clear the hospitals and so they did not have to be treated in specialist HCID centres? Effectively making it possible to send the ‘bed blockers’ back to the care homes.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Interesting idea…

eastberks44
eastberks44
6 years ago

5 minutes ago in the Guardian:-

West Midlands police and crime commissioner David Jamieson said officers are reporting people breaking lockdown rules and using Dominic Cummings as an excuse, amid fears Boris Johnson’s key aide’s actions are undermining the government’s public health messaging.

Jamieson told BBC Radio 4’s The World At One programme that people are telling officers that “if it is okay for Cummings, it is okay for us” and “it looks like there is one rule for us and another rule for the people in No 10 Downing Street”.

He said:





Now you can’t… if the rules are flexible, and people seem to have interpreted them who are at the heart of government, then it is almost impossible then for police officers to be able to carry out their job effectively.



What the police are now saying to me is they are getting quite a push back, not just from some of the younger people who previously where saying why can’t I play football, why can’t I go out in the streets? They’re getting push backs from other generations of people as well.



Now that is a bad sign, showing that confidence in the rules, confidence in government and thereby the police’s ability… Read more »

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

Very good, we all need to start doing this.

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

“if the rules are flexible”

To start with, the rules were not absolute, but did get tightened up when a lot of people weren’t taking them seriously, or were using their common sense and going to parks, beaches on their own.
There has been plenty of breaches of the lockdown before all this fuss about Cummings.
Plus, it’s not healthy keeping people isolated and confined at home.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Once we were into “stay alert” mode, with its many petty and contradictory rules, the police said the new regs are unenforcable.

Geraint
Geraint
6 years ago

Feeling creative today :)… A limerick to amuse, hopefully, grimly, in this insanity

‘There once was a two metre rule,

Dreamt up out the blue by some fool,

‘Stay right in your place,

With your mask on your face’,

Makes authoritarians drool’

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Geraint

The rule to keep distant two metres

Is for morons and zombies and bleaters.

All sensible folk

Take the thing as a joke,

For the people we meet will not eat us.

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