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The Telegraph leads with Boris’s announcement at yesterday’s Downing Street press briefing that we are now “past the peak” and he will set out a “road map” next week on restarting the economy and reopening schools. (Robert Peston has more details.) In his first briefing since his return to work, the Prime Minister said the UK was “on the downward slope”, but emphasised the country must not “risk a second spike”. Further on in the same story the paper reveals that some ministers want to wait until the daily number of new infections falls into the hundreds before easing restrictions “after seeing Germany’s infection rate rise when it eased its own lockdown”. In fact, the infection rate hasn’t gone up in Germany since it eased its lockdown last week. On Monday it ticked up to just under 1, but it has since declined and using a one-day rise to claim easing has triggered a second wave of infections is misleading, to put it mildly. The latest R0 number in Germany is 0.76 according to the Robert Koch Institute.

The Cambridge statistician David Spiegelhalter has a good piece in the Guardian, outlining some of the difficulties involved in counting the total number of COVID-19 deaths and comparing the death rates of different countries. In Europe, the UK currently has the third-highest number of deaths per million (388), behind Belgium (632) and Italy (452), but such comparisons are bedevilled by different methods of recording deaths from COVID-19 in different countries. And even if we could reliably compare countries using that metric it still wouldn’t be a fair way of judging the performance of those who’ve been tasked with managing the outbreak because the death rate is affected by several things beyond their control, such as population density, median age and climate. Professor Spiegelhalter says he’s not going to reach a conclusion about any of this until the ONS publishes its data about all-cause mortality at the end of the year, giving us an indication of how many excess deaths there have been. He points out that this is how the impact of seasonal flu is calculated: “The effects of seasonal flu are not based on tests or death certificates, but at looking at the total number of deaths over the winter, seeing how many extra there are than a baseline, allowing for climate, and assuming these excess deaths were linked to flu. On average, over the last 10 years this has come to about 8,000 flu-related deaths, rising to 26,400 in 2017-2018 and 28,300 in 2014-15.” But the lockdown muddies the waters of this method because, as we know, some of the excess deaths in the year to date have been related to the lockdown – non-COVID-19 patients not being hospitalised, for instance – and the total number of deaths from some other causes, such as road traffic accidents, has fallen. It’s not even clear what the relevant counter-factual is. All we know for sure is that people are going to be arguing about this for years.

One fear the Government has, says the Times, is that people won’t actually leave their homes and return to work if the lockdown is eased. It has whipped up the public into such a frenzy of blanket-clutching fear, aided and abetted by the hysteria of the mainstream media, that a significant percentage may not dare venture outside for non-essentials. According to polling by Ipsos Mori, more than 60% of people would feel uncomfortable going to bars and restaurants or using public transport after the lockdown is over, more than 40% would be reluctant to go shopping or send their children to school and more than 30% are worried about going to work or meeting friends.

If you have children under 10, not sending them to school would be deeply silly. To date, only one child under 10 has died of the virus in the UK and children under 10 do not transmit it, according to Dr Ebere Okereke, a consultant in global public health for Public Health England. So no risk of children passing it on to their teachers – or their parents or their grandparents. Dr Obereke is basing this on a recent review of the evidence done by the Royal College of Paediatrics (RCP), but there’s corroborating evidence from the China/WHO joint commission which hasn’t uncovered a single instance of transmission from a child to an adult. Among the cases studied by the RCP is that of a nine-year-old English boy who contracted coronavirus in the French Alps but did not pass it on, despite having contact with more than 170 people at three schools.

Does this mean Boris will announce that primary schools can reopen next week without a pointless and unenforceable insistence that pupils should remain two metres apart? We can but hope.

Another bit of good news is that South Korean experts have concluded that patients who were feared to have been ‘reinfected’ with the virus, casting doubt on the possibility of an effective vaccine as well as making herd immunity look all-but impossible, were just false positives. Live Science has the story.

On the subject of testing, did Matt Hancock meet his target of carrying out 100,000 in a single day by April 30th? We’re due to find out at shortly.

CREDIT: BOB for the Telegraph

The Office of Budget Responsibility has estimated the cost of the measures Rishi Sunack has introduced so far to protect the economy from the impact of the crisis: £100 billion. The big ticket items are as follows:

  • £39 billion on the furlough scheme to pay 80% of staff wages.
  • £16 billion of extra spending on public services.
  • £15 billon on grants for small businesses.
  • £13 billion for increased business rate relief.
  • £10 billion on the support system for the self-employed.
  • £1.2 billion on changes to the “off-payroll” system for freelancers and contractors, known as IR35.
  • £1 billion in sick pay.
  • £800 million for charities.
  • £500 million to local authorities for vulnerable people.

An application to challenge some of Ireland’s coronavirus laws will heard shortly, according to the Irish Times. An application by John Waters and Gemma O’Doherty for permission to bring a challenge against laws introduced due to the Covid-19 pandemic is due to be heard before a High Court judge next week.

And a similar challenge is being launched in the UK, it was announced today. Businessman Simon Dolan is seeking a Judicial Review over the Government’s emergency measures. His lawyers have delivered a ‘Letter Before Action’ on his behalf to the Government, giving it until May 7th to respond. Mr Dolan is seeking to challenge the Government on three main points:

  • Whether lockdown is unlawful because the Government implemented regulations under the Public Health Act 1984 instead of the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 or the Coronavirus Act 2020.
  • The legality of the continuation of lockdown regulation, and whether the tests are too narrow, failing to take account of the economic and social impacts of lockdown.
  • If the restrictions brought in by the Government contravene the European Convention of Human Rights, which cover the right to liberty, family life, education and property.

He’s also seeking to persuade the Government to make three key policy changes that will restore some of our freedoms and get the economy moving again:

  • Allow gatherings of up to 100 people.
  • Reopen schools.
  • Review the lockdown restrictions every two weeks.

In addition, Dolan wants the Government to disclose the scientific evidence that ministers and civil servants have been relying on to make policy decisions. (Does this mean his barrister will have a chance to cross-examine Neil Ferguson about his March 16th modelling?) He’s also seeking clarity over who sits on the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) and wants the Government to publish the minutes from SAGE meetings. (You can read the minutes of NERVTAG meetings here.)

Needless to say, Dolan is a lockdown sceptic – and from the points he makes in the press release, its sounds like he’s a regular reader of this site. Here are some of his quotes:

Small businesses continue to be badly affected. Businesses have been forced to shut, furlough staff and make cuts just in an attempt to survive.

Lockdown is also taking a huge toll on mental health and family life. Calls to the National Domestic Abuse helpline are up 49%. Referrals for cancer tests have fallen by 76%. It is estimated that 18,000 more people with cancer could die because of the disruption.

We are depriving children of a proper education and instead teaching them to hide away from uncertainty rather than to confront it.

It is now universally accepted that the lockdown will cause enormous long-term damage to both the economy and the general health of the population. No-one will be untouched by its effects, but the poorest in society will be by far the most affected

Simon Dolan is hoping to pay for this challenge via a crowdfunder. (He’s like a sound version of Jolyon Maugham!) Readers who wish to contribute can do so by clicking here.

ITV reports that the police have been handing out fines to people flouting social distancing rules – or wrongly suspected of doing so – like traffic wardens on Dexedrine. The National Police Chiefs’ Council says 8,877 fixed penalty notices (FPNs) were recorded by forces in England between March 27th and April 27th, while 299 were issued in Wales over the same period – a total of 9,176. 397 were for repeat offenders, with one person fined six times. (Give that man a Blue Peter badge!) The FPNs are for £60, but like parking tickets are reduced to half that if paid within two weeks. Meanwhile, the Guardian reports that police have received 200,000 calls notifying them of people who are flouting the rules. What became of freeborn Englishman? We’ve become a nation of informants.

A couple came within one metre of each other yesterday. Luckily the police were on hand to stop any naughty business.

The sceptical case is beginning to gain traction. Bloomberg ran a comment piece yesterday entitled ‘Lockdown Critics May Have Some Valid Points‘ – gee thanks, guys – and Elon Musk, the Tesla creator, has come out as a hard sceptic. “If some­body wants to stay in their house, that’s great. They should be al­lowed to stay in their house and they should not be com­pelled to leave,” he told stock-market an­a­lysts in a call on Wednes­day. “But to say that they can­not leave their house, and they will be ar­rested if they do, this is fas­cist. This is not de­mo­c­ratic. This is not free­dom. Give peo­ple back their god­damn free­dom.”

Tesla posted a surprise first-quarter profit on Monday – go Elon!

For those who still aren’t convinced, Iain Davis in Off-Guardian has compiled a summary of the data demolishing the case for lockdowns.

According to a long piece for the BBC’s website, the disproportionately high death toll among BAME people may be due to “the accumulated physiological burden from the stresses caused by racism and race-related disadvantage, such as the frequent secretion of stress hormones”. We’re going to be hearing a lot of this unscientific gobbledegook as the post-mortem into BAME deaths gets underway, but my money is on the fact that people with darker skin produce less Vitamin D, with more and more papers being published on this every day.

Guy de la Bédoyère, the author of a book on the polio vaccine who’s made several excellent contributions to this site, has sent me his thoughts about Vitamin D and why the lockdown could be killing people:

If a lack of Vitamin D is a contributory factor affecting BAME people and their susceptibility to severe symptoms, then there is also a rather glaringly obvious link to care homes. Most residents, regardless of ethnicity, spend all day indoors, adding to their general suite of ailments and sheer age, get little sunlight and probably a lot less now. My 99-year-old mother-in-law (who soldiers on – she was in the year below ‘Colonel’ Tom Moore at Keighley Grammar) is extremely unusual at her care home in having a two-room garden apartment where she can sit outside on warm days. In the three years we’ve been visiting her we have scarcely ever seen anyone else sitting outside. We chose the home because all the others we inspected involved living in rooms indoors. I imagine the same consideration applies to people with existing medical conditions who can’t go out much – and unless I’m very much mistaken the UK is the most northerly of the most seriously affected countries and is only now emerging out of winter. the lockdown is going to have a potentially serious impact on vitamin D levels in everyone from babies to centenarians. The lockdown is particularly condemning the over-70s to their homes (although many are visibly ignoring it now), terrorising them out of enjoying the outdoors. Is this another factor that’s going to result in the lockdown increasing their susceptibility?

Could Vitamin D be the reason why Florida’s death rate is only six per 100,000? The Governor of Florida declined to impose a lockdown, leaving the residents of his state free to go out and enjoy the sunshine.

I hear a lot of anecdotes about cancer patients being sent to the back of the queue, with COVID-19 patients taking priority – or, rather, priority being given to notional COVID-19 patients because, of course, half of all hospital beds are empty. Here’s one reader’s personal experience of this neglect:

I recently underwent bowel cancer surgery which was a success; I’m now fully recovered and back at work – I was discharged the very day the first coronavirus media reports appeared. The ‘fly in the ointment’ for me was that I had a coincidental finding of a suspicious lesion on a kidney – so they needed to bring me back to have it biopsied, then removed. I attended for the biopsy only to be told that all cases were being deferred for three months because of coronavirus – so I was sent home with no biopsy and no prospect of having the lesion removed in the near future. It is somewhat ironic that I make a great recovery from the first cancer, owing to the excellent NHS care I received, only to now find myself under house arrest, possibly along with tens of thousands of other cancer patients, waiting for a low stage cancer to become a high stage cancer. What do you think the take-up would be if those in my position organised a Friday evening clap-in at 8pm each week for all those heroes who will probably die due to their treatment being withdrawn to keep empty beds free ‘just in case’? At least they would know their sacrifice was appreciated while they were still alive.

More suggestions for theme tunes for this site have come in: ‘Aint it Grand to be Blooming Well Dead‘ by Leslie Sarony, ‘I’ll Never Get Out of This World Alive‘ by Hank Williams and ‘Ghost Town‘ by the Specials.

Some readers have submitted their suggestions for Tarantino-esque movie titles for a film about the rivalries of epidemiologists, the best of which is Public Health Fiction. And thanks to RDawg for designing this poster featuring Neil Ferguson and Johan Giesecke squaring up in the ring:

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Mandy walker
Mandy walker
6 years ago

UK government want all uk ill vulnerable people to be in lockdown indefinately, basically accusing us of giving young healthy people the virus which we have stayed in lockdown not seeing any family being alone at home, we are not allowed to go to a pharmacist, GPS, or hospital while the virus pandemic is still killing people, I’m one of the extremely ill high risk people who has several illnesses including lung problems I’m only 56 & the government can hope we will all have died by 30th September 2020 but they are wrong as I will still be alive fighting for my life till the end, also do they even realise the Queens also over 70, so is Prince Phillip, Prince Charles, & many more totals VIPs so is that also in place too, looks like our UK royal family has to expect to stay at home indefinate, will the Queen allow this ludicrous plan to do this, does he know what he’s actually saying & what he’s asking the UK to do ? I know I’m not going to be in lockdown indefinate, Boris Johnson is the same age as me , would he live life in lockdown?… Read more »

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ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Useful. But please remember that pretty much every UK death is being recorded as covid at the moment no matter what.

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

A must read about the origins of th Covid-19 from Daily Telegraph Australia.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/bombshell-dossier-lays-out-case-against-chinese-bat-virus-program/news-story/55add857058731c9c71c0e96ad17da60

Very concerning.Australia and NIH US indirectly helping scientists in China with extremely dangerous work.They are not saying biochemical attack or modified virus but pure incompetent handling of virus for insane research might be the source.

giblets
giblets
6 years ago

Not sure I agree on the whole BAME and vitamin D theory.
Plenty of studies showing that social deprivation (and location as a result) is linked to covid death rate. With deprived areas having: high population density, poorer health, multi generations living in the same property, etc, but ALSO having higher % of BAME populations.
It might also be interesting if any parts of the BAME community are more susceptible than others, for example some Asian communities are far more likely to live in Multi generational housing than others

Bob
Bob
6 years ago

Initial crowd funding target exceeded!

A Booth
A Booth
6 years ago

Why are the mainstream media not asking the simplest questions such as how many people of the 28k ish fatalities have serious underlying health conditions, how many are over the age of 65, etc. That will I believe indicate that the number of people under 65 and healthy who have died out of the 50 million under 65s is so small that it makes the lockdown look pointless. I suspect the chances of dying of Covid if you fall in to that latter group is no more than the chance of dying on your daily work commute. The BBC reported some ONS analysis a few weeks back that showed over 91% of deaths in that week were people with one or more serious health conditions, the story however was quickly buried on their website.

Derrick J Byford
Derrick J Byford
6 years ago

The link below from CEBM has some graphs for each of the English regions. In London hospitals there have been 43 reported C-19 deaths during the past week. ‘If’ the trends continue London will have very low single figures for those dying in hospitals each day by the middle of next week, and the same will be true for the whole of England by around May 17th. This will then be less than the number of daily road deaths (in a normal year of course). The “all C-19 deaths” numbers will take longer to decline while care homes continue to have problems protecting the most vulnerable group. The coronavirus detected case numbers will still climb for quite a while because testing is ramping up so fast. Kings College estimate that there are still 300,000 with symptoms out there waiting to be found, but the vast majority of those must be non-life threatening infections. (This is down 85% since 1 April).

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-death-data-in-england-update-1st-may/

Some more serological research reported yesterday from Italy calculates between 21 and 33% of the most affected Northern Regions already have antibodies to the virus, and the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) is therefore about 0.2% – which corresponds with… Read more »

A Booth
A Booth
6 years ago

It is so concerning that our government seems to refuse to look at the last 2 months of real data from around the world but still rely on their theoretical models from before the crisis. You really don’t need to be a rocket scientist to work out that the death rate is nowhere near those early models and certainly now not enough to justify a lockdown and economy crash

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago

The government should now take extreme care with transparency to avoid this entire debacle turning into another ‘dodgy dossier’ event.

The subsequent enquiry must look, in detail, at how readily available medical knowledge was not converted into correctly resourced contingency plans.

For example, a five minute trawl of the internet would have produced the following:

‘Human rhinovirus (HRV) and coronavirus (HCoV) infections are associated with both upper respiratory tract illness (“the common cold”) and lower respiratory tract illness (pneumonia). New species of HRVs and HCoVs have been diagnosed in the past decade. More sensitive diagnostic tests such as reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction have expanded our understanding of the role these viruses play in both immunocompetent and immunosuppressed hosts.’

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305825415_Update_on_Human_Rhinovirus_and_Coronavirus_Infections

‘Rhinovirus infection in the adults was associated with significantly higher mortality and longer hospitalization when compared with influenza virus infection. Institutionalized older adults were particularly at risk. More stringent infection control among health care workers in elderly homes could lower the infection rate before an effective vaccine and antiviral become available.’

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/

So:

A. An enhanced ability to identify new viruses has been evident for some time.

B. The deadly effects of coronaviruses/rhinoviruses, even already identified ones, on the elderly and… Read more »

Sally
Sally
6 years ago

Good news from a serological study in Iran:
Its estimate for the prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection was 22-33%. This translates into an infection fatality rate of 0.08-0.12%. We all know what ballpark that is.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20079244v1.full.pdf

David Mc
David Mc
6 years ago
Reply to  Sally

I think we now have to assume that the government knows all this and understands that in terms of numbers this is not much worse than a bad season for the flu. But it is impossible for it to come out and admit this openly. Governments hate to admit they’re wrong at the best of times, but this error is on a scale far beyond even Iraq invasion territory – there will be no public admission of what ‘the science’ increasingly shows is the case.

The government’s behaviour can now only be understood if you look at it as arse covering. We are going to see an almighty climb down over the next months or so, but it will all be dressed up in this mumbo-jumbo and woo-woo about the R rate, and will consist of slow baby steps back to normality. The narrative will then be that we saved 500,000 lives and now our efforts have to turn to restoring economic activity, blah blah. What they are hoping is that what has happened in other countries such as Sweden and Japan never becomes widely known by the population, which is quite likely – because journalists will likewise never want… Read more »

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

On the 9th of April Sir Patrick told us at the press briefing that we was days away from the Public Health England serological antibody results, not heard anything since.

ThomasPelham
ThomasPelham
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

Yeah it’s really strange.

Italian serological surveys are looking good too, I think, except in hotspot towns – but we know they get overwhelmed and there’s a serious multiplier on casualties.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

I thought they’d clarified they are unreliable?

ThomasPelham
ThomasPelham
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Unreliable clinically, useful statistically; They have a high false negative rate, and a small false positive rate. So not useful to find if you or I have had it, but quite possible to get a population reading.

With a big enough signal you can adjust for those, if you know them.

The problem with the early californian surveys is that the signal was within the potential ‘noise’ area. (around 2.5% positive found). Now the people behind it claim they found a false positive rate of 0.5%, but the confidence range is from 2-0%, if the tests are in the 2% area the actual prevalence could be much lower. This is why they were criticized. They’ve published an addendum defending their work.

Iran has a much higher % positive – much less problematic for noise.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

Hanlon’s Razor: Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. Although, Occam’s Razor: the most obvious explanation is the correct one, could land on your interpretation, I suspect cock up is the most likely. However, from the email I had from my MP, who compared deaths to the civilian casualty rate of the second world war (!) I’d say you are right about arse covering, in fact Boris will just keep on with ‘victory is ours, brave Britannia’ for as long as he can.

Some thoughts:
– wouldn’t put it past them to throw the scientists under the bus, this might be why they keep saying ‘followed the science’ (which is what Labour and the press told them to do)
– science is meant to be objective, individual scientists rarely are, they are as vainglorious, arrogant, ambitious, and blind to their own bias as the rest of us (ditto medics). Indeed Neil Ferguson is famed for his arrogance and vanity, and he’s not liked
– some scientists are mightily fed up with their specialism being impuned, I think those voices will get louder, Knut Wittowski said no scientist in the world of respiratory viruses would ever say… Read more »

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

All excellent points. While I agree with Hanlon’s razor in principle the suggestion here is only of semi-malice. The 500k number was arrived at in good faith at the time, nobody was deliberately cooking anything. It’s just convenient to somehow not find the time to get around to updating it when new data arrives.

Labour will stop short of questioning the “dodgy” simulation because it will make them sound callous. And they don’t need to. They just have to say to the Tories, 40k people are dead wtf? If the best the Tories can answer with is “it would have been 500k” then the point has been made. Ferguson will continue happily in his job for many years to come although maybe he will stop getting Christmas cards from a few people in the scientific community.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

Exactly right this is what’s happening with the narrative about how the government are saving us from 500k fictional deaths.

The narrative on Sweden seems to be developing into “they’re exceptionally Swedish and they’re on a voluntary lockdown”. With the implication that that wouldn’t work on our unruly British plebs who have to be locked up for their own good. Gosh, thanks.

As for conspiracy theories, yes I did wonder why somehow all those test kits everybody ordered turned out to be “faulty”. Spain had a load of them, so did we. There was a lot of talk about them at the end of March.

The UK government however does have top secret antibody tests that Porton Down are doing.

No doubt there will be an interesting twitter shitstorm about this Iran study saying why it’s completely wrong and should be disregarded. It’s better that they found a higher prevalence because that makes the results less sensitive to the specificity of the test kits.

Jane
Jane
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Those Swedes. In France the morning roundup on the radio of what the papers were saying mentioned how the Mayor of Lund in Sweden had poured tons of chicken droppings in a park, apparently to fertilise the grass, but really to discourage people from assembling for the Walpurgis festival because the smell would be too awful. Subtext: people who hold pagan festivals are sneaky and irrational, unlike the French. Better to stay at home because it’s the law rather than be kept in by the smell of chicken droppings.

OpenCorona
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

yep the same nonsense is being suggested of we Americans – even those of us in Minnesota. You know, where a lot of Swedes settled…

Kung Flu Lou
Kung Flu Lou
6 years ago
Reply to  David Mc

“What they are hoping is that what has happened in other countries such as Sweden and Japan never becomes widely known by the population, which is quite likely – because journalists will likewise never want to admit that their (almost) universal hysterical clamour for a lockdown was unjustified.”

The Sun doing precisely that – https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11531650/swedens-top-virologist-not-convinced-anti-lockdown-coronavirus-strategy-right/

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  Kung Flu Lou

With some trepidation I clicked on that sun article – the first and last time I will ever visit the sun website. Worthless corrupt rag for thick pigshits at the best of times. Always better to read the comments section and although of course there are plenty of lockdownforlife sheep on there, there’s a significant amount of dissent. If even the lowest IQ are now questioning the lockdown then the tide is turning. But it will be too slow, and there will be semi permanent restrictions that go on for months if not years. It’s the potential permanent long term changes ‘justified’ by this media epidemic that scares me the most

Giblets
Giblets
6 years ago
Reply to  Sally

You know they would hate that here! Real data showing a small risk?! They are more than happy to include people they know didn’t die of COVID (just needs to be anywhere on the death certificate, ONS said before that’s 14% of numbers), or ‘suspected’ in care homes.

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago
Reply to  Giblets

At 19:50 Sir Patrick Vallance mentions the Public Health England study

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/united-kingdom-covid-19-briefing-transcript-april-9

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Giblets

I’m hearing reports of doctors being instructed to put every death down to covid, something very weird is going on with death reporting.

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Yep, I know from first hand experience of a relative working as a GP that this is exactly what they are being told to do. A disgrace. Who is going to be the first brave whistleblower on this?

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago

215 people under 60 with no pre-existing condition have died at @NHSEngland hospitals with #Covid_19.

This is out of all children and virtually our entire workforce.

Also needs to be set against #lockdownDeaths: missed cancer diagnoses, strokes, heart-attacks etc.

215. https://t.co/WUA6iWk5sm

https://twitter.com/AlistairHaimes/status/1256323368715841538?s=19

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

No KNOWN pre-existing condition? The recovered student nurse who went home this week, protested that she is only 35 and healthy. However, she is still noticeably obese even after three weeks on a ventilator.

BB8
BB8
6 years ago

The last time, in living memory, that a virus pandemic caused such widespread concern was the AIDS crisis. I remember the newly sharpened focus through which we viewed our own mortality, feelings which were mixed with empathy for those affected by the awful, Mephistophelean disease which brooked no hope of a cure; photographs of skeletal, barely alive, people were published regularly by the press; celebrities and public figures we had grown to love, and had grown up with, were taken before their time. Scientists took many years to understand the nature of this new existential enemy, and, during this time, we were left to speculate as to how it came about and who could be affected, and how we could, or would, be affected – I’m sure most of us of a certain age remember the urban myths, half-truths and rumours which were perpetuated by all and sundry at the time. The delivery method by which the virus entered the body was left to the populous at large to discover – tainted blood transfusions, shared syringes and childbirth were added to the litany. Meanwhile, we were, thankfully, scared silly by the effective government funded TV public information advertisements voiced by… Read more »

Kung Flu Lou
Kung Flu Lou
6 years ago

The Government’s mantra (Cummings no doubt) along with the sensationalist media fools have terrified most of the nation. Fear = Control.
For heaven’s sake, why are we not just shielding the vulnerable and letting the rest of us, if we want to, get the @&^% on with it?

Jane
Jane
6 years ago

Some valiant Frenchmen have set up a site called covidinfos.net that provides alternative covid information in French translation. I don’t know how many people visit the site, but it doesn’t get many comments. Here in France, it seems, a lot of people just aren’t very interested in whether we are being told the truth or not. A friend from Grenoble, for example, who lives in a flat, keeps a stack of attestations which she fills in with a pencil, changing the date, time and purpose several times a day so that she can go out as often as she likes. She is happy to see fewer cars on the roads, fewer aeroplanes in the sky and less rushing about. Grenoble is a city of young people, skiers and engineers who don’t seem to think a virus is much to worry about. They bend the rules as best they can without getting angry in the spirit of an old saying of my mother’s: “what can’t be cured must be endured.” I wish I could be as philosophical about it.

Nel
Nel
6 years ago
Reply to  Jane

I’ve just had a quick look at the site. You can convert to English using the language translate icon in the browser. on Chrome it normally pops up anyway,
Thank you for highlighting.

Jane
Jane
6 years ago
Reply to  Nel

When I say “French translation,” I mean mainly automatic translations into French of articles that originally appeared in English or German. There are a few original French articles. The only dissenting French doctor seems to be Dr Didier Raoult, of hydroxychloroquine fame. Yesterday covidinfos published extracts from a letter written to the Health Minister by somebody who works in a hospital putting the case for the end of lockdown. The person wanted to remain anonymous and did not say what he actually did in hospital, but his letter included detailed references for all the information he provided. The covidinfos site was launched by a commentator on Off Guardian who was being driven “insane” by the lack of alternative information in French. I don’t know how numerous we are. I have the impression that some people believe this virus is a killer and some people don’t, but in either case they accept that so long as the law imposes lockdown there is nothing they can do about it and they are not interested in delving further and upsetting themselves, like me, to no avail.

ThomasPelham
ThomasPelham
6 years ago
Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

This atually made me a little emotional. Honestly I think if anyone can read that and still be an unquestioning lockdown zealot, they might not have a soul.

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Nice to see some positive comments on it as well, save for the inevitable ‘if your own son got infected’ moron.

John
John
6 years ago
Reply to  ianp

Don’t say “if” a teenage son gets infected, say “when”, and he’ll be fine with barely any symptoms at all, because the only way this ends is when we have herd immunity. The virus has killed mere tens of people in this country below the age of 30, and most of them had srious underlying conditions. There are much bigegr risks everyone faces every day.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

It won’t even come to 100k if we stop sending covid patients into carehomes and finally treat our old with dignity and respect, we could in that respect have our cake and eat it too. In fact, you can buy a lot of elderly care with £100bn, and the sooner we get herd immunity, the sooner the very frail would be free to enjoy hugs and kisses, and family parties, and time with their friends, and a potter round a garden centre, and all the things that make a life.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  ThomasPelham

It’s behind a paywall. Grrr!

Paul Chahal
Paul Chahal
6 years ago

The last time a pandemic caused widespread concern was during the AIDS crisis. I remember feeling empathy for those affected by the awful disease which brooked no hope of a cure. Scientists took many years to understand AIDS, while we were left to speculate – I’m sure most of us of a certain age remember the urban myths peddled at the time. We were, thankfully, scared silly by the TV campaign voiced by John Hurt. Condoms became de rigueur for the right minded among us.

In spite of all this, we believed a solution would be found. We fought through it, scared though we were. And, now, we have Covid-19. During the AIDS crisis, we weren’t banned from meeting people; drug users continued to take risks; people still gave blood. So, are the recent steps taken by the government in everybody’s best interests? Where, previously, we were left to roll the dice, we are now told to confine ourselves.

Before this interminable lockdown, people were already behaving differently – a walking group I had joined was scheduled to meet on 22 March, but only two of us, myself included, attended. It transpired the other walkers stayed at home… Read more »

Kevin Moore
Kevin Moore
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul Chahal

‘Fear by proxy’ indeed!

BB8
BB8
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Moore

The people have been authorised to be scared stupid on behalf of the government!! Long may we prostrate ourselves before the great Johnson!!

RDawg
RDawg
6 years ago

Does anyone know much about the blog “Off Guardian”? They have published a very well researched article here:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/29/lokin-20-the-lockdown-regime-causes-increasing-health-concerns/

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

The official downgrading of COVID-19 from “HCID” status on March 19th that they mention there is interesting and something I don’t remember reading about in the Guardian.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

People are saying they did to be able to alter the PPE requirements – so that they wouldn’t need to procure as many items. Why is noone considering it they did it because er…… because Covid doesn’t actually merit that status?

ThomasPelham
ThomasPelham
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Actually I suspect it’s because anything above low status you can only treat in particular places; they had to lower it to get COVID treated in normal hospitals.

Kevin Moore
Kevin Moore
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

The HCID list thing is what started this whole thing off for me. When I discovered that it had been removed from this list I couldn’t understand why and I still haven’t been able to find an answer to the question: if Covid19 is so bad why has it been removed from a list that states that it has to be an acute infectious disease in order to be included?

OpenCorona
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

yep – Iain Davis is a real human, not a Russian bot. The original post is here on his own blog, republished on OffG: https://in-this-together.com/lokin-20/
To my knowledge, OffG was started by people who used to be commenters on the Guardian site. The problem is hypersensitive libs tend to scoff at accepting even editorial content on there since they assume anything they don’t agree with is Russian propaganda.

Stephen McMurray
Stephen McMurray
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

offguardian has been publishing excellent articles since day one of the covid crisis. They have collated statements by a number of top epidemiologists and virologists who question the official narrative. You should also watch UK Column news . check it out on Youtube. It’s on every Monday Wednesday and Friday.

chris c
chris c
6 years ago

OffGuardian is a pain, it won’t open in Opera, I have to fire up Firefox which tells me there is a broken certificate and I have to give it and Kaspersky permission to let me view it.

Now there’s a thing, wouldn’t Eugene Kaspersky know more about viruses than Bill Gates?

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago

Institute of Fiscal Studies have done a report: Recessions and health: the long-term health consequences of responses to the coronavirus https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14799

Which in my obsessive reading, I clearly missed as it’s dated 9th April (although have been scouring the news, not seen this mentioned anywhere?)

Nel
Nel
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Very interesting, and very worrying, particularly this bit…
‘Economic shocks and downturns have been shown to be important during pregnancy and early childhood. At this point of the lifecycle, physical health and cognitive trajectories are being set and this has long-reaching consequences for later life health. Poverty rates increase in a recession. This may feed through to negative in utero and early childhood risk factors…. being born in a recession reduces lifespan by about 5%. ….stark and lifelong effects that early childhood conditions have on health, not just because of the biological pathways, but also as the result of the effects of in utero and early child health conditions on other economic outcomes and family behaviours. ‘

Gillian Yuille Climie
Gillian Yuille Climie
6 years ago
Reply to  Nel

I read somewhere that babies conceived and born during the Spanish flu in 1918-20 achieved, on average, lower occupational status and had shorter life spans than average.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Nel

Yep that’s my professional niche (I’m a charity consultant, have been for twenty years), the social and health outcomes due to economic deprivation are stark and well documented (although harder to quantify than numbers of dead as there are so many variables – housing, stress, mental health, drinking, smoking, diet, social aspirations, education, healthcare and on and on and on). So if you are a poor kid, you are significantly more likely to suffer with emotional and behavioural problems (the latter is ‘acting it out’, rather than ‘acting it in’ in self harm, bulimia or whatever), if you have behaviour problems, you are far more likely to be permanently excluded from school, 50% of all young offenders were excluded from school, it’s like a horrible game of snakes and ladders.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago

Family biz took an inquiry today from a very well know chocolate manufacturer, they are after disposable gloves and paper boilersuits (like you see at crime scenes, with a hood that tucks your hair in) for their production line staff. Anyway, our suppliers- having told us June – are now telling us PPE is out of stock until the winter, you can’t get stuff for love nor money, and we have preferential arrangements with several.

This means famous chocolate maker now having to switch production line staff to white doctor’s coats and washing up gloves, which are massively more expensive (plus coats have to be laundered) which – in long mutual moaning session with them about how nuts this all is, which is the same conversation we’re having with literally everyone we speak to – they said will significantly add to the costs of producing their product, which they said will inevitably lead to a price increase.

Our customers are all having similar issues, so local biodigester power station kits all their guys out in disposable gear (they need eye wear, masks, gloves, disposable coveralls) as it’s a messy, stinky business, now having to buy cloth kit and… Read more »

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I had a Chinese company (Shanghai) contact me with those kinds of products but I haven’t yet responded.

It would be interesting to know what everyone feels about future trade relations with China?

Should I get back to the Chinese company, or not?

eastberks44
eastberks44
6 years ago

Toby, thank you for today’s post and at last something we can do. I have given to Simon Dolan’s crowdfunder and it’s already over half way to its initial £30k target.

StevieH
StevieH
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

#Meetoo

Kathryn Smyth
Kathryn Smyth
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

Me too. Thank heaven for the sane people on thus site and for Toby!s excellent analysis.

JASA
JASA
6 years ago

So glad about the legal challenge. I’ve been writing to lots of Human Rights firms about suspended medical treatments, but without success. Hopefully the action will at least force the government to start thinking and acting more sensibly.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  JASA

I’ve just read the pre action letter, it’s a thing of beauty (if you like that kind of thing) https://static.crowdjustice.com/group_claim_document/Letter_to_The_Rt_Hon_Matt_Hancock_MP_Secretary_of_State_for_Health__DgnuEzh.PDF

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I agree. Although that silly fella Hancock will have lots of help responding, I smiled at the fact that he will have to spend some time responding. He’s the real Covidiot.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago

£100bn for a lockdown? We could have had a high speed train for that!

Mimi
Mimi
6 years ago

For what it’s worth: Not yet peer reviewed, but then who cares. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1.full.pdf

JASA
JASA
6 years ago
Reply to  Mimi

Excellent. Some nice maths in there for us sane scientists.

joey
joey
6 years ago

Please look up the Milgram experiment 1961. The obedience shown to people in white coats. You will in part see what is happening now.

OpenCorona
6 years ago
Reply to  joey

Well noted – this prompted a post on OpenCorona (https://www.facebook.com/groups/224650028639377/) Cheers!

joey
joey
6 years ago

It really does annoy me when Boris says it could have been 500,000 loss of life. Please, where is the eveidence?

maudboggins
maudboggins
6 years ago

A LONG POST BUT BEAR WITH ME…

Someone asked me how I was coping with lockdown. “Fine”, I replied. I guess according to the latest report I’m one of the 9%…

I stopped short of saying “What lockdown?” in case they were of the insidious, curtain-twicthing, snitching, back-stabbing, mealy-mouthed, spiteful, cowardly, lily-livered New Brit Brigade that now seems to be de rigueur for this once great nation, and frankly I didn’t fancy a visit from the Bizzies, as I was too tempted to give the last one a slap for castigating me for travelling to work to close a barn door that had blown open. Apparently it wasn’t ‘essential’ that I went and closed it and should have allowed an entire flock of 138 sheep to trample my newly planted vegetable garden with impunity. Well, it is Wales….

So I thought I would construct: A REMINDER OF THE LEGALITIES OF LOCKDOWN AT UK PLC

Driving to a different walking spot every day – legal.

Stopping to sit down on the ground or on an available bench during your walk, to read Playboy or The Telegraph (or this website) whilst having a champagne picnic – legal.

Going out… Read more »

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

Instead of watching the Daily Doom forecast, I read this. 100% happy with my decision.

maudboggins
maudboggins
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

I’d love to…but I then find I am unable to form th proper arguments with the dummies about it…so alas, I have to indulge.

However, this morning I sodded it all off and watched four episodes of The Professionals back to back whilst drinking tea…which was a welcome relief I can tell you.

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

I’m lucky, I think, I don’t seem to have any dummies to have to deal with.
And I’m feeling sufficiently bolshy to not take any “you’re killing people by going outside” BS, possibly by countering that meeting someone else while outside has an infinitesimally small possibility that someone else down the line might die (unlikely, as I’ve been in quarantine long enough to know I don’t have it), I do know that continued lockdown absolutely will kill people, whether by suicide or by untreated disease that they’ve been too scared to have treated.

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

I used to love watching The Professionals when I was growing up!

Maud Boggins
Maud Boggins
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

It’s on every day on ITV4… highlight of my day!

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

VERY wise words and well put. Thank you for the post.

Maud Boggins
Maud Boggins
6 years ago

A pleasure, A N Other….

What’s the betting the ONS get knobbled when it’s time to release the overall death stats that show we didn’t actually suffer than many more croakers during this entire French farce…. ?

I actually never thought I’d live in George Orwell’s 1984 or in a satellite Russian state but he we all are. Time to learn to sail as the only place worth being in a decade’s time is on a yacht…..

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

The answers are all here. They’ve been available since 06 Feb. This Professor (John Nicholls) in Hong Kong is a coronavirus expert. Did anyone give him a call, I wonder (actually, I don’t, I can guess….)

‘Quick summary: look at the fatality rate outside of Wuhan – it’s below 1%. The correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a bad cold which kills people who already have other health issues. This virus will burn itself out in May when temperatures rise. Wash your hands.’

‘Sunlight will cut the virus ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it’s about 13m to 20m. Sunlight is really good at killing viruses. That’s why I believe that Australia and the southern hemisphere will not see any great infections rates because they have lots of sunlight and they are in the middle of summer. And Wuhan and Beijing is still cold which is why there’s high infection rates.’

https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/puzmZFQGRTiiquwLa6tT-g/conference-call-coronavirus-expert

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Does this mean that all those people who were standing for ages in the sunshine while waiting to get into a supermarket, were actively annihilating the virus? That’s the only good reason for the lockup that I can come up with.

Mimi
Mimi
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

Great post! Thanks so much for this! I’m now smiling and even giggling a little!

Maud Boggind
Maud Boggind
6 years ago
Reply to  Mimi

Mimi you naughty girl for giggling! (Assuming you are a girl) .

Don’t you know that in the Church of Lockdown giggling is verboten? Ten “Hail Hancocks” facing the wall! 😬

Mimi
Mimi
6 years ago
Reply to  Maud Boggind

Maud, I might be a girl… who knows! It’s the Internet!

Ah, and what is life without a good giggle now and then!

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

Maybe Asian genes are more resistant to covid. Obviously the fact that China itself might get off rather more lightly than the West would only be a coincidence!

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

Quick question – ‘driving to a different walking spot every day’ – how far can you drive? Stock police response seems to be ‘where the time for walking is considerably more than that for driving’. Can I drive 1 or 2 hours from home, walk for 3 or 6 hours perhaps, and then go home? Is that legal?

GetaGrip
GetaGrip
6 years ago
Reply to  old fred

Don’t confuse random Government Ministerial ‘guidance’ with the law.

The Regulations require you to ‘not leave the place where you are living without ‘reaonable excuse’. No. 2 excuse being:

(2) To take exercise either alone or with other members of the household.

Apart from Wales, which Regulates this as ‘once-daily’, that limit is guidance only.

If questioned by the Stasi, sorry I mean County Constabulary, you should proffer a copy of the Coronavirus Regulations for the Officer’s perusal, politely and with pleasant smile.
He/she can’t do you for either your exercise trip, or your
unspoken ‘bug*er off’.

Old fred
Old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  GetaGrip

Thanks for that.

Maud boggins
Maud boggins
6 years ago
Reply to  old fred

That’s right. You can drive to a walk provided the total walking time exceeds the driving time.

But what a load of tosh considering if anyone had any brains they’d just say “Yes officer I plan to walk for four hours!” if he knows you’ve driven an hour!

This is a complete waste of police time and a titan infringement on civil liberties so if people lie to them it’s tough titty. This is a flu like virus not foot and mouth.

chris c
chris c
6 years ago
Reply to  Maud boggins

Agreed – and thanks for the above long post.

However what the law says and what the police do may differ significantly. Mostly I walk not far away because there are plenty of places I can go and meet few or no people.

One I met the other day decided to drive to a nearby deserted heath for a walk in the sun. When she got back to her car the police had plastered it with a notice telling her to go home and stay indoors, and that they had taken her number.

Lucky they didn’t see her, she must have been eighty if she was a day. Almost certainly walking in the sun did her far more good than staying indoors.

Don’t tell anyone but I have a couple of places where I can sit in the sun unseen from the road.

Amin
6 years ago

While some were out whooping and banging on pots,
Mugging off our future were our familiar despots.
All cheerled by the auntie who numbers 2,2,3.

Since we’re all
“Stayin’ safe”,
Let’s discuss the motive behind this rapid loss of freedom,
Movement
And bodily integrity,

For i’ve read inbetween the lines of the of legislation that the marionette’s apparently prepared hastily,

It seems, at least as I understand it, we may no longer be fundamentally free!

And frankly,
‘Social distancing’
Started one September some
222 months back
for folk the like of me,

Yes it goes without saying…
‘We love you NHS’
and all who service thee,
But as spoke from the edge of this vast petri dish by those with hearts which see…
“Just like you we hate this
wicked flu
As we despised those
‘evil WMD’.
But we love at least as much our children growing in a land
Bereft of tyranny !

Amin Phillips March 2020

Anthiny
Anthiny
6 years ago

I think it’s interesting that ONS stats include all deaths where Covid suspected. I wonder if hay fever symptoms could be mistaken for Covid considering the similarity (coughs, difficulty breathing) and the fact we’re at a 70 year high pollen count:
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/health/hay-fever-sufferers-warned-over-18056004
It also looks like GPs are warning about possible confusion between the two:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-52349794

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Anthiny

I already got hauled off and temperature checked because I went to give blood and was snuffly.

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  Anthiny

It’s the ‘2nd wave’….! ‘Stay inside!’ ‘Stay Safe!’…. Oh lordy… Now we could have weeks of paranoia from the sheep due to flippin hay fever. How convenient

chris c
chris c
6 years ago
Reply to  ianp

Yup I got a bit paranoid when I started coughing, but I also sneezed so all is good

Mark Gobell
Mark Gobell
6 years ago

Thanks for bringing Simon Dolan’s legal challenge to my attention and good luck to him. Legal action will commence on May 7th if Matt Hancock does not rectify the complaint.

Simon Dolan’s Letter Before Action to the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock :
https://static.crowdjustice.com/group_claim_document/Letter_to_The_Rt_Hon_Matt_Hancock_MP_Secretary_of_State_for_Health__DgnuEzh.PDF

MG

BrianJR
BrianJR
6 years ago

Am finding myself increasingly sinking into depression as this nonsensical situation plays on..and on..

What has happened to the population in the UK ? So many people were energised to protest about the Brexit debate which was modelled by many as likely having catastrophic social and economic consequences – really ? Well wtf about the impact of this madness then ? But the masses now seem content to just clap like seals for fish once a week, and then hide away to worship “our” new deity.

I don’t get why there is no rebellion here, or any form of hard action. And why is there no public debate taking place on all this – with some hard talk about obesity, care homes, jobs etc. All we are fed is endless drivel of moving targets, manipulated statistics to sort the latest narrative, and corporate-style “meet the numbers at all costs” actions.

I just don’t get how this once proud nation can have become so fearful, blind to facts, and lose the ability to rationalise, make judgements and live a life. How dare any of us go back to complaining about dictatorships or communist regimes around the globe, and seeking to cleanse… Read more »

Kevin Moore
Kevin Moore
6 years ago
Reply to  BrianJR

I couldn’t agree with you more.

Annabel Andrew
Annabel Andrew
6 years ago
Reply to  BrianJR

I , stupidly I realise, answered ‘yes’ to a Facebook page that asked if the lockdown should be lifted- I feel as though I may be lynched. Why are all these people so terrified? Many of them work for the public sector so their jobs aren’t in jeopardy so maybe that explains some of it. I am baffled. How do these people cope with every day life?

coalencanth12
coalencanth12
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

I’m starting to get a bit worried this might fracture our society even further, we could end up with another Brexit-esque split dividing up the fabric of the country; you can see how the Mail and Telegraph are kind of hedging their bets on both sides of the fence – witness the Mail stirring up trouble about ‘Covidiots’ but then publishing economic impact stories. The tone of the (notorious) reader comments in both is starting to change though, I detect a possible shift towards a more sceptical view. I also think certain Unions might use this opportunity to settle old grievances’ (rightly or wrongly) – I see the teaching unions and the RMT are on the war path, both of which will affect how the lockdown is perceived on the left wing.

BrianJR
BrianJR
6 years ago
Reply to  coalencanth12

Certainly for me a fracture, nay a full break, is there already – I have become polarised. As Fin posted yesterday – My freedom doesn’t end where your fear begins.

I am not in the “sandwich” generation, I only have teenage children. I had to deal with parental loss whilst a young adult which was both shocking but character building, we all have a choice to either succomb or recover and thrive.

But my children are being denied their basic rights to learn, to represent their schools and clubs in sports, to develop friendships and (eek, sexual !) relationships and it breaks my heart to see them denied the privileges those cowering away have enjoyed. And their reward for being “in it together” will be to be saddled with national debt and being tarred as the “corona generation” with regard to estimated, teacher assigned examination marks.

And why – because as a nation we were too afraid to call it as it is, and became obsessed with eliminating deaths that may in some cases be both an emotional and financial relief.

Nick M
Nick M
6 years ago
Reply to  BrianJR

This is what I am finding most upsetting too, and it’s not just the lockdown itself it’s the prospect of the pointless, arbitrary and fun stifling social distancing measures that will no doubt be imposed indefinitely once they do go back to school that are going to make things utterly miserable for all involved.

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick M

Yep, it’s heart breaking.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  coalencanth12

The political alignments are interesting and the government are trying to play them with Ferguson as a Trojan horse. John Crace in the Guardian today was having a typically hilarious dig at Johnson but stopped short of spluttering about the “it would have been 500k deaths” lie because the left still think Fergie (who now writes for the Telegraph) is on their side.

Passing up a Johnson porkie like that is conspicuous. At this rate he will be remembered as the prime minister who gave the NHS 250 million pounds a week and saved half a million lives 😂

Right-on middle class lefties all love the lockdown of course but the right is more split with no doubt some unease on the part of Johnson about how many elderly retired Telegraph-reading Tory voters with nothing to lose but their lives will punish him for appearing to go soft on the lockdown.

Paul Steward
Paul Steward
6 years ago
Reply to  coalencanth12

I’m a primary teacher, at my small rural school we are keen to return. We would appreciate time to plan whatever adaptions the government forces on us but we’re eager to get going. I recognise I’m lucky to have my wages secured but we’re not all a rabid bunch of Corbynites.

Paul Steward
Paul Steward
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

I’m a primary teacher, at my small rural school we are keen to return. We would appreciate time to plan whatever adaptions the government forces on us but we’re eager to get going. I recognise I’m lucky to have my wages secured but we’re not all a rabid bunch of Corbynites.

Csaba
Csaba
6 years ago
Reply to  BrianJR

Because they are led by social media that is generated by the crowd itself. I see it as herd behaviour similar that people do when they are panicking during an evacuation procedure in dangerous situations. The world is in panic mode. It is like a catch of 22. We would need a very strong wave of sane thinking that can stop it.

maudboggins
maudboggins
6 years ago
Reply to  BrianJR

Bang on Brian…but there is dissent, just not enough to be heard over the sheeple – YET.

The likelihood is the facts will be retrofitted to suit the situation after the event. Don’t forget Whitty and Ferguson go back a long way and have received more funding from Bill Gates than Imelda Marcos could spend in an afternoon on Fifth Avenue – and that’s going some.

These are old allies with a vested interest in gerrymandering facts and figures, although it escapes me why Boris is so blind to this other than the fact he is now not simply a journalist or a back bencher and has succumbed to the usual political paraplegia in order to save his ass. He’s no lolloping cartoon character anymore and I fear he’s sold out…. he started this thing by being rather matter of fact about it, “some of us will lose loved ones”, implying that we have to sacrifice the few to save the many, but seems to have completely changed tack.

Aye…summat more to this, me thinks…..

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

There is dissent, but if it’s on YouTube it’s likely to get removed for “breaking community guidelines.”
It’s definitely in the comments sections of the websites I haunt (not the Spectator any more since they made it subscriber-only). But unlike Brexit, there’s not a political party or movement for people to latch onto. It may come if the lockdown lasts long enough.
But the establishment and media have done such a good job with the non-stop propaganda. It has me shouting at the tv, at the adverts and public announcements, ditto the radio.

Nel
Nel
6 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Thank you…brainwashing and propaganda in every advert on tv. I turn the f’g thing off

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  Nel

Yeah… Note the speed in which the number of food, ailment, home and patronisingly ‘caring’ supermarket and banking adverts have spread like a virus on the airwaves. God, I never thought I would miss Ray Winstone and his ‘ave a bang on that’ football gambling ads…but will celebrate the day on which they return

BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
6 years ago
Reply to  maudboggins

I’m encouraged that the two centre-page articles in today’s Telegraph could have come straight from this website – is there about to be a sea-change in opinion?

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