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How Many Excess Deaths Are Due to COVID-19?

by Toby Young
4 April 2020 4:20 PM

One of the stats most commonly latched on to by lockdown sceptics is the number of people who would normally be dying at this time of year in the absence of coronavirus because it seems to show there’s been no increase (or, rather, it did before the death toll began to peak). According to the ONS, deaths mentioning COVID-19, influenza or pneumonia in Week 13 of 2020 (March 20th – 27th) were 18.8% of all deaths, whereas the five year average puts deaths mentioning influenza or pneumonia at 19.6% of the total. Having said that, the total number of deaths in Week 13 this year in England and Wales was 11,141 compared to the five year average for Week 13 of 10,130 (ONS). (Lockdown began on March 23rd so the fact that deaths from COVID-19 weren’t higher can’t be attributed to that.)

Every year, about 600,000 people die in the UK and it remains to be seen whether more people will die this year than in a normal year and what effect, if any, the lockdown will have had. For instance, about 10% of people aged 80 and over die every year and while it’s true there’s a risk they’ll die if infected with coronavirus, they won’t be significantly less likely to die if they don’t catch it because they’re likely to die of something else. According to Prof Sir David Spiegelhalter, a statistician at Cambridge University: “Many people who die of COVID would have died anyway within a short period.” (Neil Ferguson told the FT at the beginning April he thought it was “plausible” that two-thirds of the people who died of the virus at that point would have died anyway later in the year.) The average age of the people who’ve died from coronavirus in the UK so far is 79.5 and a majority of them have underlying health conditions.

However, as the death toll in England and Wales has increased, this argument has become harder to make. According to the European Monitoring Excess Mortality group, which publishes weekly bulletins of the all-cause mortality levels in up to 24 European countries or regions of countries, the number of people dying in England was normal up until Week 11 of this year, but had climbed to “very high”, i.e. well above average, by Week 14. (Although still normal in the rUK.) And, of course, if it drops back down to normal the advocates of a prolonged lockdown will attribute that to the extreme social distancing measures the Government has imposed. Against that, the mortality rate was normal in Sweden in Week 14 in spite of Sweden not closing restaurants, bars or schools or banning social gatherings of less than 50 people. On April 12th, Sweden recorded just 17 new deaths from COVID-19, its lowest daily rise in a fortnight.

One complicating factor is that we don’t know how many people are dying of coronavirus, as opposed to with coronavirus. In the UK, if a patient with COVID-19 dies their death is automatically included in the NHS’s statistics. (The ONS’s record of deaths due to coronavirus includes those who’ve died outside hospital where the patient’s doctor suspects they were suffering from the virus, test or no test.) But what if COVID-19 in’t the cause of death? For instance, an 18-year-old in Coventry tested positive the day before he died and was widely reported as being the youngest victim at the time. But the hospital subsequently released a statement saying his death had been due to another “significant” health condition and wasn’t connected to the virus.

Dr John Lee, a retired professor of pathology and former NHS consultant pathologist, has written a piece for the Spectator pointing out that if someone dies of a respiratory infection in the UK, the specific cause of the infection isn’t normally recorded unless the illness is a ‘notifiable’ disease. Until coronavirus came along, the vast majority of respiratory deaths in the UK were recorded as due to bronchopneumonia, pneumonia, old age, etc. “We don’t really test for flu, or other seasonal infections,” he wrote. “If the patient has, say, cancer, motor neurone disease or another serious disease, this will be recorded as the cause of death, even if the final illness was a respiratory infection. This means UK certifications normally under-record deaths due to respiratory infections.”

Since March 5th the list of ‘notifiable’ diseases has been updated to include COVID-19 but not flu, so anyone now dying of a respiratory infection who’s tested positive is recorded as having died of coronavirus. But is that the real cause of death? It’s possible (although unlikely) that the UK is suffering from an above average number of deaths in April due to an unusually deadly bout of seasonal flu, not coronavirus. According to estimates produced by Public Health England, 28,330 people died from influenza in England in 2014/15 (although only 1,692 in 2018/19).

Another complicating factor is that the lockdown is likely to be suppressing other causes of death, such as road traffic accidents, workplace accidents, violent crime, etc – another reason the number of deaths may not be much above the five-year average since the lockdown was imposed. That is, deaths due to COVID-19 aren’t being added to an underlying total that’s in line with the five-year average, but to a total that’s lower than the five-year average due to the fact that we’re spending more time in our homes. The relevant counterfactual is a comparable lockdown absent coronavirus and nothing like that has ever happened.

International comparisons aren’t much help when it comes to determining the true number of COVID-19 deaths because different countries use different ways to collect data on coronavirus deaths and some countries are changing the way they record deaths from one week to the next. Australia, for instance, has changed its definition of a COVID-19 “case” – and therefore whether to list coronavirus as the cause of death – 12 times since January 23rd. All of this makes it hard to calculate how many lives have been saved by the lockdown.

Update: ONS Data for Week 14 (March 27th – April 3rd)

This data, showing a sharp increase in the number of deaths in Week 14, strongly suggests that COVID-19 is more deadly than seasonal flu. The five-year average for Week 14 is 10,305, whereas the number of deaths in England and Wales in Week 14 in 2020 was 16,387, and will be larger still in Week 15. Against this, if Professor Spiegelhalter is right, many of the people who died of COVID-10 in Week 14 would have died later in 2020 anyway from another cause. By the end of the year, when we have all the data, we may conclude that the effect of the virus will have been to squeeze deaths that would have otherwise have been spread out over the course of 2020 into a narrow window in March/April, without increasing the total.

Further Reading

‘How deadly is the coronavirus? It’s still far from clear‘ by Dr John Lee, The Spectator, March 28th 2020

‘Tracking the coronavirus: why does each country count deaths differently?’ by Elena G Stevillano, El Pais, March 30th 2020

‘Coronavirus: How to understand the death toll‘ by Nick Triggle, BBC News, 1st April 2020

‘Coronavirus: seven questions for public health post-mortem analysis‘, Niall McCrae and Roger Watson, Journal of Advance Nursing, April 6th 2020

‘Keeping the coronavirus death toll in perspective‘ by Heather Mac Donald, The Hill, April 17th 2020

‘Why you can’t trust the UK’s “daily” Covid19 updates‘, Off-Guardian, April 23rd 2020

‘Pennsylvania Forced To Remove Hundreds Of Deaths From Coronavirus Death Count After Coroners Raise Red Flags‘ by Amanda Prestigiacomo, Daily Wire, April 25th 2020

‘Coronavirus deaths: how does Britain compare with other countries?‘ by David Spiegelhalter, The Guardian, April 30th 2020

‘Is the lockdown killing people?’ by Hector Drummond, Critic, May 1st 2020

‘The virus that turned up late‘ by Alastair Hames, Hector Drummond, May 9th 2020

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modularist
modularist
1 year ago

I see #TwoTierKeir is trending, shortened to 2TK.

Prediction: Within 6 months, 2TKQ+ or 2TKTQ+ will be in use as a moniker.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.globalresearch.ca/pact-future-planetary-technocracy-global-crises-global-corporatocracy/5864483

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Note for all – I was timed out before I could finish editing this piece so I had to start again.

To the downticker – go and take your medication.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
1 year ago

“Pubgoer attacked by masked men ‘left with lacerated liver’”

The bit just below the DT headline…

Mob members punched and kicked 51-year-old outside Clumsy Swan pub in Birmingham amid speculation of a far-Right rally on Monday

“amid speculation of a far-right rally”. These f*ckn people have to give an excuse for Muslim attacks on whites, but no mention ever of the three little girls slaughtered by an immigrant animal to defend the actions of white rioters. I could not hate MSM and the government more.

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Quite clearly, Rudakubana is not an immigrant, whatever else he may be.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

I don’t give a flying f*ck what the state-approved official definition of an immigrant is. If a child of immigrants refuses to integrate into a society, and then slaughters 3 children, they’re an immigrant. They’re certainly not part of the indigenous population. Call them whatever you want, your silly little semantics completely miss the point, so you need to update your database. I can’t believe I’ve been successfully goaded, and actually reacted to, AI.

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Nobody gives a ‘flying f*ck’ what some random punter on the interweb, most particularly not you, thinks of much at all.

The fact remains that someone born in this country and educated in this country is most certainly not an immigrant.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

So, out of morbid curiosity – and to test the bounds of your Google-gathered robotic intelligence – what definition does your algorithm give to describe the child of immigrants that rejects their adopted culture and slaughters three little girls as they pretend to be Taylor Swift? This one will test your machine learning capabilities because it throws emotion into the mix.

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Drop the silliness. You are making yourself look ridiculous.

Rudakubana is a first generation British citizen and child murderer.

He will receive his just deserts.

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Insurrectionist
Insurrectionist
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

“He will receive his just deserts” …..oh no he will not..
Kept warm and fed for the rest of his miserable life

He should have been shot dead at the scene

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  Insurrectionist

What he will receive will, no doubt, be a great deal worse than that.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Insurrectionist

👍 👍 👍

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Mrs Bunty
Mrs Bunty
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

Ok I wouldn’t normally interact but if pedantry is at play here technically he is classed as a first generation immigrant, as they like to class themselves.

I know I’m opening myself to rants here but

“Nobody gives a ‘flying f*ck’ what some random punter on the interweb, most particularly not you, thinks of much at all.”

I certainly do as that’s why I support DS so that I can give a FF to what others say, even you.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Mrs Bunty

Well done 👏

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  Mrs Bunty

If you wish to ‘interact’ it would be more useful, someone might actually give a FF, if you stuck to the facts:

You are a British citizen if you were both:

  • born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983
  • born when one of your parents was a British citizen or ‘settled’ in the UK
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Mrs Bunty
Mrs Bunty
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

Here we go. Yes indeed to be accurate they are classed as British by us. I did clarify though that, as many I have spoken to, they also class themselves as ‘first gen immigrant’ as I stated in my response.

Gosh you’re angry today!

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JohnK
JohnK
1 year ago
Reply to  Mrs Bunty

All concerned please note: the case will turn up in a Crown Court in due course, and we should find out more about it then. However, the last time I came across a case of stabbing to death of someone locally was when the culprit turned out to be a local English guy who happened to be a paranoid schizophrenic, who owned his own house. Charged with murder, but ended up being guilty of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility, and detained indefinitely in Broadmoor.

There was a fair bit of media reaction etc, and an element of “something must be done” – like ideas of closing footpaths etc (where the attack occurred), but all that noticeably happened was that the local council installed loads more cameras to spy on the general public, or at least to improve security.

What we can observe is that whatever the underlying cause of the Southport crime was, it has been hijacked to justify all sorts of other problems.

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Mrs Bunty
Mrs Bunty
1 year ago
Reply to  JohnK

”What we can observe is that whatever the underlying cause of the Southport crime was, it has been hijacked to justify all sorts of other problems.“

Exactly, well put.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  JohnK

Given the magnitude of this, and there have been no leaks to quell the disturbance, I see two possible explanations. 1) there is an anti-english element to the attack 2) the elites are using it to deliberately sow division. The lack of any kind of leaked information will give us the answer in due course.

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  Mrs Bunty

There is a great deal to be angry about, particularly those who try and label British perpetrators as ‘immigrants’; not useful and likely to exacerbate rather unsavoury sentiments.

Whatever caused this murderer to commit his unspeakably barbaric slaughter had nothing to do with his parents country of origin.

Perhaps some British citizens may label themselves as ‘first generation immigrants’. I have never heard that, myself. But this is, in any case, not relevant. As far as the British Crown is concerned, they are British citizens. The vast majority of them are proud to call themselves British citizens and not a few are descended from family members who fought for this country. The British Armed Forces still have many outstanding members whose parents, families, were born overseas.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

I don’t very often agree with your perspective but in this case I cannot fault your logic.
Many well known and accepted British people are “first generation immigrants”. For example, immediately after the war there was an influx of Jews formerly from Germany who have settled here and produced children who have become a respected part of the British establishment.
During the 1970s there was an influx of East African Asians, the children of whom have become well known establishment figures, Priti Patel is perhaps the highest profile one.
Are people trying to claim that these are not really British because they are only first generation immigrants?

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Mrs Bunty
Mrs Bunty
1 year ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

Probably some people claim they’re not British, the same as some people look at the race or colour of the skin to claim someone is not British. Utterly ridiculous. Those you have stated above are useful contributing members of society, who whilst holding on to their religious beliefs to which I have no problem, usually integrate into our society. No one seeking refuge here from legitimate danger should be turned away if we are their last recourse. Unfortunately there are many who wish to turn this country into a replica of the place they purportedly ‘flee’ from whilst contributing nothing but live of the government’s freely given generosity with our tax money. It is a crime to enter a country illegally, something successive governments choose to overlook. Sure the government has been lax with legal immigration but not to clamp down on illegal immigration is a catastrophic failure.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  Mrs Bunty

You, with your unreasonable common sense!

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

There we go. Thanks state-approved Google search algorithm. Rolls off the tongue. Now define ‘settled’ – you know, just for some robotic fun. Like I’ve said before, I’m either communicating directly with a bot, or with a teenager using AI. Last post – pointless talking to silicon.

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Look it up.

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gavinfdavies
gavinfdavies
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

Just because some idiot let the rats into the chicken coop, and they start breeding as rats are wont to do, that doesn’t mean that their offspring are chickens. They’re still rats, and they’re still likely to steal the grain and attack your flock.

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  gavinfdavies

Have you ever worked with Africans?

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modularist
modularist
1 year ago

Not a Chakrabarti fan, but at least she has got this in the Grauniad: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/07/big-tech-disorder-riots-surveillance-live-facial-recognition

The argument frequently offered by the left concerns the issue of some POC faces and false positives. It seems to me that a more fundamental problem with its blanket usage for the left is that it is incompatible with the wearing of niqabs etc.

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Baldrick
Baldrick
1 year ago

Christopher Hitchens vs Keir Starmer already gone.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  Baldrick

I can still see it?

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Good ! I heard a while back that Khant will soon be PM 😳

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  Baldrick

Has it gone ! I saw it & my eyes & ears are still bleeding 🤯

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.globalresearch.ca/pact-future-planetary-technocracy-global-crises-global-corporatocracy/5864483

“There are barely two months left until the big UN meeting Summit of the Future (September 22-23) where the “Pact for the Future” is to be signed by world leaders (heads of government and state). The pact, which essentially constitutes a blueprint for a global technocracy to manage global risks on behalf of the global corporatocracy, is now being finalised for completion by early August.”

A long and uncomfortable read which outlines where the world is heading. Topics covered include the likelihood of another Scamdemic before Christmas, the theft of the commons, a potential financial crash, World War and the push for One World Government.

With all the above as background it is easy to see why Kneel is acting as he is. As nothing more than a lowly District Manager in the One World Government hierarchy it is essential that he provides at least a run-through of how control can be asserted and maintained. The civil disobedience playing out in our towns and cities is manna from heaven for him and no doubt his agents will be behind much of it. Lockdowns in some form look inevitable. This will be a re-run of Canada, Australia and New Zealand. No wonder he was keen to empty prisons while insisting on two tier policing.

It looks grim.

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

‘Global research’ is run by a ‘nutty Canadian Professor’.

It is potentially a bit more sinister than that (follow the money).

Research from Stanford University’s Internet Observatory, a program examining abuse in information technologies, found links tying Global Research to Russian military intelligence agency operations. The 2019 study, commissioned by a U.S. Senate intelligence committee, analyzed online content that Facebook attributed to the spy agency commonly known as the GRU.

Some of Globalresearch’s greatest hits:

  1. The US dropped an atomic bomb on Tora Bora during the Afghan war.
  2. The Rwandan genocide of April 7 to mid-July 1994 was actually a Hutu genocide in disguise
  3. The Sbrenica genocide was a hoax
  4. ‘North Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy’
  5. Vaccines are an American plot to depopulate Africa
  6. Fluoride in the water is killing us all

Footnotes

[1] Globalresearch – RationalWiki
[2] http:// http://www.globalresearch.ca/breaking-us-used-nukes-on-iraq-afghanistan-atomic-bomb-dropped-on-tora-bora-expert/27972
[3] http://www.globalresearch.ca/genocide-denial-in-rwanda-questioning-the-official-view-of-history/5410169
[4] http://www.globalresearch.ca/was-srebrenica-a-hoax-eye-witness-account-of-a-former-united-nations-military-observer-in-bosnia/731
[5] http://www.globalresearch.ca/north-korea-a-land-of-human-achievement-love-and-joy/5344960
[6] http://www.globalresearch.ca/depopulation-vaccine-in-kenya-and-beyond/5413445
[7] http://www.globalresearch.ca/fluoride-killing-us-softly/5360397
[8] http://www.globalresearch.ca/poison-is-treatment-the-campaign-to-fluoridate-america/31568

Oh yes….and ‘chemtrails’ are being used for ‘geoengineering…….

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

😉

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Referencing ‘Global Research’ is just plain dotty, very much like the retired Canadian Academic who runs it..

‘Research from Stanford University’s Internet Observatory, a program examining abuse in information technologies, found links tying Global Research to Russian military intelligence agency operations. The 2019 study, commissioned by a U.S. Senate intelligence committee, analyzed online content that Facebook attributed to the spy agency commonly known as the GRU.

Based on the research, the State Department said Global Research published or reposted articles by at least seven authors using aliases — or “sock puppet personas,” according to the Stanford report — to hide their ties to the GRU. The content remains accessible on the website.’

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://off-guardian.org/2024/08/06/the-peoples-court-of-new-normal-germany-part-two/

C J Hopkins outlining his up coming trial in Germany on charges of thought crime.

“If you’re an American (or a Brit, or Australian, or whatever), and you’re thinking this is just a story about Germany, or the EU … well, I’m sorry, but it isn’t. My case is just one of countless examples of the criminalization of dissent that is happening throughout the West. A lot of Americans don’t realize it, but freedom of speech is protected in the German constitution.”

The “criminalisation of dissent.”

What exactly is Kneel up to? Ah yes, “the “criminalisation of dissent.” The parallels are obvious.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c75nn9dr0rvo

And presumably the CPS have lots of evidence of social media influencers instigating “far right” riots from abroad.

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Jon Garvey
Jon Garvey
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Is that not code for Tommy Robinson? He’s a social media influencer, he’s abroad, he’s an active member of the defunct EDL, and if he says “Don’t riot” it’s a secret signal to riot. That’s worth an international arrest warrant before his holiday finishes and he flies home, in any prosecutor’s book.

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Jon Garvey
Jon Garvey
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

I assume sceptics will recognise the irony in my comment – this is how everyone from Starmer to Farage is reacting… but not Elon Musk or Glenn Beck.

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Your two downticks may show otherwise

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13714153/Standing-army-6-000-police-officers-ready-deployed-trouble-hotspots-far-right-thugs-warned-face-10-years-jail-riots-ministers-plan-courts-sitting-night-500-extra-prison-pla

Is this “standing army” of police made up of Calais Yatch Club members by any chance?

Where is this “standing army” located given that it must be able to react at a moments notice?

Full on Nazi then.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

It’s a good point. It’s either a bluff or something deeply more sinister. I was pondering yesterday about how the Muslim hordes coordinated and amassed so quickly; there’s obviously the fact they gather in quite tightly knit, self-isolated, communities, but then another, all too obvious, thought came to me – mosques. We’ve got a thousand+ buildings which can act as terrorist/radical Islam offices sat in plain sight throughout the UK. An acceptable home for a different culture to plot against the inhabitants of their adopted country/culture. Now you import a few million more Muslims, shoehorn a few agent provocateurs at senior levels within the mosques and… voila! You have an Army. An Army that is so motivated by religious beliefs that they think a murderous death is entry to heaven, and whose radicalisation and organisation makes them twice the size they actually are. Just a thought.

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

More than a thought ! however if they are being used as a weapon how will they be quelled if they get the upper hand , 🤔

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ellie-em
ellie-em
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Is TTK / 2TK also advocating a ‘standing army’ to protect our beaches / lands from the usurpers who daily invade our shores? Thought not.

Where are they amassed – easy, in the barracks numerous hotels and HMO’s, paid for by the ever-suffering taxpayers.

Wasn’t TTK planning on releasing 20,000 inmates from prison soon? That’ll create space – and more beside – for the wrongly labelled terrorists AKA ‘Enough is Enough’ anguished people to be accommodated.

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  ellie-em

Yes

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

It’s very possible

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
1 year ago

“The physics of Net Zero”
This article assumes we are trying to make the UK both Net-Zero and self sufficient but as far as I can see that is not what is happening. We seem intent on making the UK net-zero and totally dependent on Chinese and Asian technology.
With electric cars (EVs) the policy seems destined to destroy the UK and European motor industry and open the door to cheap Chinese EVs only suitable for local utility travel.
With windmills and solar panels, where are they made? and do the people making them having any great aim of going net-zero?

At which point one has to ask if the UK’s Net-Zero policy is not simply a nihilistic, dismal, destructive policy of despair, decline and immiseration? And if the answer to that question is yes, then who is behind this policy? why are they doing it? and why are so few people trying to stop it?

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I largely agree with your comment.

The answer to your last para is to be found in the Global Research article which I have posted.

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The Chinese have insufficient Oil/Gas, so EVs, powered by coal-fired power stations, is a sensible solution, for them.

But if they could persuade the West to adopt the same technology, even though we have the fuel, it would be a security bonus, for them, of course. And JSO activity would be another.

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pjar
pjar
1 year ago
Reply to  Norfolk-Sceptic

Not sure about the Chinese EVs but I heard recently of a farmer who phoned John Deere to complain about his new tractor packing up and demand a technician turn out immediately to sort it out… only to discover that his last direct debit had failed, for some reason, so they’d simply turned it off from the factory until he paid up.

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Years ago I saw maps showing us as a district of Europe !

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Judith pelham
Judith pelham
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

We are also dependant on other countries for fertilisers and only 40% sufficient in food.
We soon won’t produce our own cement ,steel or oil.

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Mrs Bunty
Mrs Bunty
1 year ago

All the media and politicians and police are “stoking” the riots. Whilst no one is forgetting the lunatic who went on a mass stabbing that culminated in three little girls dying horrifically, the media and politicians and police constantly covering up for wrongdoers, regardless of their religion, race, actual sex, is adding fuel to the flames. By qualifying each time there is a crime that it’s ’mental illness’ ‘the assailant is unknown’ (unless they’re white or English) ‘a woman raped the girl’ or in this case, ‘in response to far right’ it lets the perpetrators off the hook for their crimes and allows retaliation by supporters of the wrongdoing, of which there are many. There are many good and decent people that live in this country who feel they are ignored, derided and scorned, if we’re going to calm everyone honest discussions need to be had, sadly I don’t see that happening in the near future.

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stewart
stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  Mrs Bunty

On this, it seems to me that established power in this country likes to present itself as moderate and centrist but in reality it has now become the main promoter of extreme ideology, namely radical liberalism.

They now shove extreme LGBT ideology down our throats, mass immigration which brings in people who ironically are the least tolerant of liberalism, extreme climate policies.

There is literally nothing moderate about what the establishment promotes these days. They think that speaking calmly and with a solemn admonishing tone makes them sensible. But their words and policies are very extreme.

The result is what we have now. A few angry people ready to take to the streets and the vast majority sitting quietly at home feeling confused and hectored.

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  stewart

War has been declared on the UK,s indigenous peoples , they want us whimpering in the corner sucking our thumbs !

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.militarystrategymagazine.com/article/civil-war-comes-to-the-west/

An excellent and learned article which sets the case that Civil War is now inevitable.

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Monro
Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

This is a very interesting reference. Thank you.

This seems to make a great deal of sense right now:

‘Over the last thirty years the West has preoccupied itself thanklessly in an expeditionary capacity in the invertebrate civil wars of others—generally counterproductively but sometimes just fruitlessly. During that time, it has developed not just in the military but also in the quasi-NGO sector a certain capacity for thinking about ‘root causes’ of conflict as well some fluency with operations in seriously divided societies that have been deranged by endemic internal war. It is past time to turn the mirror on ourselves.’

The Future of War is Civil War, David Betz

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0760/12/12/646

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
1 year ago

Performing my usual daily 20 sec scan of the above headlines shows most (with a couple of honorable exceptions) of our media journos are hopelessly out of their depth in reading the signs of the times, cause and effect.
Out of date, out of touch.
Be very picky choosing your morning media dashboard.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

I am in complete agreement.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
1 year ago

Has anyone seen any figures for the numbers of “rioters” in each incident?
Usually with public disorders we are regaled by estimates of the numbers, however I don’t recall figures for rioters, except when it comes to total arrests from all separate incidents.
I suspect these are comparatively small occurrences, not on the scale of other recent “non far right” ones, but are being conflated to make a political point and to make them look more menacing than they really are.
In terms of active participants, most reports I have seen involve groups of young men hanging round apparently aimlessly, with one or two activists at the front goading the police rather than encouraging others to make massed advances.
In the case of the attack on the migrant hotel, it seemed that the police were standing against a wall, dressed in full riot gear, watching the break-in rather than attempting to stop it.

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
1 year ago

In today’s DT, behind a paywall, we have the news, expected ever since 2007, that the Laws of Physics cannot be repealed:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/07/power-chiefs-fear-net-zero-blackouts-in-london

I’m relieved, as people in my village thought I was upsetting the status quo, when we had a professor stating the opposite!

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

“Pubgoer attacked by masked men ‘left with lacerated liver’”

“A man attacked by a masked mob outside a pub in Birmingham has revealed that he has suffered a torn liver and is ‘not interested’ in any apologies.

Sean McDonagh, 51, was punched and kicked in front of The Clumsy Swan pub after hundreds of men – many waving Palestinian flags – had gathered on Monday night to keep the Muslim community safe from a rumoured far-Right rally.

When the anticipated protest in Bordesley Green failed to materialise, a large group – some armed and many with their faces covered – started attacking the pub in nearby Yardley, believing that EDL members were drinking in there.”

NONE OF THE ARMED MUSLIM GANG WERE ARRESTED.

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

“When the elites loved rioting” – From the London riots to BLM, liberals and leftists have spent far too long celebrating street violence as virtuous, writes Tim Black in Spiked.

Well done to Tim Black for telling the truth.

Almighty God has finally awakened the Righteous Wrath of the British People.

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JohnK
JohnK
1 year ago

A good news underground cable report: https://eandt.theiet.org/2024/08/05/national-grid-turns-south-londons-ps1bn-electricity-superhighway

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

“Christopher Hitchens 2009 vs Keir Starmer 2004”
Thanks to Richard Eldred for including this powerful video.

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

“Armchair thug is first to be convicted for riot Facebook posts”
Leeds working man faces prison term for Facebook posts.

In contrast, here is a photo of the grinning Jordanian let off scot-free after harassing female joggers and assaulting a female police officer:

Jordanian asylum seeker, 27, who assaulted a police officer after drunkenly pestering female joggers is spared community service due to ‘health and safety issues’ | Daily Mail Online

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