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The 1957-58 Asian Flu Pandemic: Why Did the U.K. Respond So Differently?

by Wilfred Thomas
27 May 2020 12:47 PM

1. Culturing a Pandemic

A useful place to start when trying to understand how societies respond to pandemics is Lowell Carr’s catchily-titled Disaster and the Sequence-pattern Concept of Social Change (1932). According to Carr, the way in which “a community reacts to disaster is… determined by its culture, its morale, its leadership, the speed, scope, complexity and violence of the catastrophe itself.” What’s so interesting about Carr’s list of determinants is that it focuses not just on the obvious natural aspects to a disaster (speed of occurrence, scale of destruction and so on) but also on some of the perhaps less obvious social aspects such as leadership structures within societies experiencing disaster, the cultural values that dominate within such societies and so on. It’s this dual aspect to his thinking that makes the book’s core message so relevant today. If we want to understand how a society responds to disaster, Carr’s suggestion is to treat it not just as a natural phenomenon but as a cultural event too.

The UK’s response to COVID-19, for example, has focused on developing an understanding of the virus as a natural, biological object: What is its genetic structure? Is it airborne? Can we create a vaccine? How does it affect the human body? But as Carr suggests, that type of knowledge doesn’t develop in a vacuum. Scientific efforts to probe and understand the virus as a natural object have taken place in a society that’s also been developing an understanding of the virus as a cultural object. The problem we’ve got, however, is that mainstream cultural understandings have all too often been fed by hysteria. That this constitutes a problem is unquestionable. Pandemics like COVID-19 always possess a certain speed, scope, complexity, and violence. But how we respond ultimately depends upon the cultural lens through which we encounter that speed, scope, complexity and violence. Viewing COVID-19 in a state of heightened hysteria isn’t going to make it particularly easy for us to formulate any kind of workable, common-sense response.

By the way, it’s not that experts and expertise don’t matter. They do. Every society needs experts to anticipate and mitigate the damage something like COVID-19 is capable of causing. It’s worth emphasising this point because the idea that lockdown sceptics are fervent devotees of neo-medieval revivalism has become something of an obsession to Guardian journalists. “Ah, ’tis sad,” they picture us sighing wistfully to ourselves, sat in our pants, bedsit curtains drawn, watching Nigel Farage speeches on YouTube and every so often hitting pause to troll the parents of recently-deceased NHS key workers on Twitter, “if only we could return to those glorious days before Johnny Foreigner foisted his fussy, nannying biomedicine on us; a time when men were men, Britain ruled the waves and all an invalid needed was a chisel through his skull, a leech up his arsehole and a stern admonishment to stop malingering ringing in his ears as he’s dragged back to the poorhouse.”

Back in the real world, however, the issue is not so much expertise as the culture within which expertise is enabled to respond to a pandemic. We could know everything there is to know about the coronavirus from a virological perspective, but that wouldn’t help if it existed within a culture where people were so frightened by COVID-19 that they saw wetting their beds as the only viable, rational course of action to pursue. Similarly, you can have as many scientists, virologists, epidemiologists, mathematicians and clinicians as you like; but decisions about which experts get the ear of government, which get favourable write-ups in the mainstream media and which end up on government special advisory panels – those decisions reflect and are driven by a society’s overarching values, fears, anxieties, norms, assumptions, prejudices, obsessions and expectations. In the same way that scientists “culture” viruses in laboratories before studying them, so too does society “culture” its disasters before deciding how to respond to them.

In this context, delving into the historical archive becomes a useful exercise. Indeed, the philosopher Michel Foucault1Foucault, M., “Nietzsche, genealogy, history”, in Foucault, The Foucault Reader, ed. Rabinow, P. (London: Penguin, 1986), pp.76-100. once remarked that historical investigations were useful not so much for knowing as for “cutting”; that is, for disturbing the foundations of the present, making the given once more appear strange and causing us to wonder at how it came to appear so natural. If a particular society at a particular moment in time has the power to frame how its members respond to something like a pandemic, then understanding how that happened during previous pandemics helps us to “cut” more effectively into COVID-19’s burgeoning lockdown culture. Is our supposedly measured, expertise-driven lockdown culture the only possible societal response to a pandemic, or could things be otherwise? In what follows, a brief overview of the UK’s hysterical reaction to COVID-19 in 2020 (section 2) sets up a discussion of the UK’s response to the Asian Flu of 1957 (section 3). How did 1950s Brits react to what was, arguably, an even deadlier pandemic? Were they alarmed? Did they panic? Was there hysteria? And how does that response compare to our own response to COVID-19? Do we now live in the best of all possible worlds – a world in which individual safety is adjudged as important as collective prosperity? Or might our forebears, biomedically less knowledgeable though they undoubtedly were, nevertheless have interesting things to tell us about collective resilience and stoicism in the face of biological adversity?

2. COVID-19 and Hysteria

For some months now, large sections of society have been responding to COVID-19 with all the rhetorical, discursive and stylistic flourishes of a semi-functional hysteric. To avoid any confusion let’s be clear about what this means. In using a word like “hysterical” to describe mainstream responses to COVID-19 I do not wish to suggest that COVID-19 related illness is an insignificant or an illusory phenomenon – it’s killed many people. Nor am I wishing to suggest that the levels of public and governmental alarm surrounding COVID-19 are out of proportion to the medical risk posed. The scientific and medical facts are not yet fully known and, in any case, even once firmly established will remain largely inaccessible to a layperson such as myself. What I do want to suggest, however, is that mainstream coverage of COVID-19 has been “hysterical” in terms of:

  1. Its high emotional content – extreme-case emotion words in particular have proliferated (fright, alarm, depression, terror, etc.).
  2. The scale of the coverage generated – like a hysteric, it goes “on and on”.
  3. The extraordinary narratorial scaling-up we’ve witnessed within that coverage – an issue that arguably could be said to involve “a pandemic of mild/moderate respiratory illness with a mortality rate below 1%” has quickly come to be framed as if presaging “the end of the world, capitalism, workplaces, high streets, tourism, traditional forms of social interaction, casual sex, etc.”

It’s also important to remember that “hysteria” is not simply about actions or behaviours that are in excess of the supposed disaster provoking them: it’s about actions and behaviours that attain autonomy from the original “disaster”. As performances, they sustain themselves independently of that initial cause. That’s why we refer to hysterical people as “going on and on”, or as “shouting and screaming”. In their words and their actions we glimpse reality but dimly, through a miasma of hyperbole and melodrama. Concern becomes “terror”, worry turns into “depression”. Words like “just” or “only” very rarely appear in their discourse, either. The police can’t just tell crowds to move along – they have to shout “You are killing people!”. A BBC journalist can’t just be criticised for a question she asked the First Minister of Scotland about her Government’s response to COVID-19 – she has to be sacked. Large swathes of the media aren’t content just to “report” the news, they have to become the news. It’s not enough to be objective journalists, they have to be activists; and, what’s more, angry activists. Things are too terrifying, too threatening, to hold back. Emily Maitliss can’t just introduce a COVID-19 themed episode of Newsnight, she has to perform a straight-to-camera harangue of the government, the sullen, contemptuous anger of her flaring nostrils a staccato accompaniment to the righteousness implied by those fleeting, beautifully rhythmic undulations of her eyebrows. Finally, consider the NHS. To a lot of people right now the NHS isn’t just a taxpayer-funded organisation, it’s a religion. It isn’t populated by dedicated, hard-working, salaried staff who are just doing the best they can in a difficult, potentially life-threatening situation. It’s populated by angels. Superheroes. Gods. NHS managers aren’t just struggling to procure PPE in a highly competitive global marketplace: they’re the victims of savage – indeed evil – Tory cuts. Nor are we supposed to feel “just” a private, inner warmth towards these fellow citizens – people who, like us, are under quite a bit of pressure but still managing to carry on. No, we’re supposed to clap and cheer for them every Thursday evening outside our homes. More exhibitionism than citizenship, banging our pots and pans together, gurgling and burping, whistling and whooping, dribbling and gurning. Like so many gaudy monuments to emotional incontinence, surrounded by the rubble of our self-respect. And what about those who might not want to join in with these jolly little experiments in North Korean sociality? Do we just accept that non-participation is their inalienable right in a liberal democracy? No. We bully them. We post letters through their doors. We troll them. Tory Scum! Sickos! Get coronavirus and die!

This is what it means to respond to a pandemic through the lens of hysteria. However bad you think things are – they’re much, much worse! That person out there in the park isn’t going for a stroll – he’s killing people! Dominic Cummings isn’t just visiting Barnard Castle – he’s costing lives! Whatever your employer does to make your workplace safe for a return to work – it won’t be enough! And so on. In the age of COVID-19 there could conceivably have been sound epidemiological reasons for complex, global societies like the UK to roll out temporary lockdown arrangements. But one suspects that popular culture would have thrust us all headfirst into the quicksand of some form of lockdown soon enough, with or without that reasoning.

3. The 1957-58 Asian Flu and Stoicism

The problem that initially appears to confront you whilst researching the UK’s response to the 1957-58 Asian Flu is a lack of data (more on this later). The real problem, however, is not so much data you don’t have as the tone and content of the data you do have. Sifting through a relatively meagre collection of newspaper articles, first-hand accounts, Hansard documents, National Archive records and letters to medical journals like the Lancet and the British Medical Journal you quickly start to doubt the methodological validity of the exercise you’ve embarked upon. It’s all so utterly, unrelentingly banal. A vicar in Chelmsford gets the sniffles and has to shorten one of his congregation’s favourite sermons by half a minute; an amateur football match is postponed (but not cancelled) in Barnsley due to a few players feeling a bit rummy; a village fete just south of Ely reports that although three less stalls were taken this year as compared to last year, nevertheless, the Church Restoration Fund still received £2 7s 5d; a pupil at Eton spends a day in bed with a slight temperature but rises from his sickbed to score a magnificent 52 not out against an MCC second XI the following week; a housewife in Swindon demands a home visit from her GP although, as that GP subsequently reports to the Lancet, she doesn’t really need one and is perfectly well. That’s the level at which things seem to trundle along in 1957. Engage with this stuff for long enough and you start to wonder whether the entirety of the UK’s news output for that year was some sort of private joke perpetrated on a naïve and unwitting public by a young Alan Bennett.

This of course stands in marked contrast to today. As we’ve seen, when it comes to COVID-19 every news channel, Twitter feed and newspaper page has been filled with tales of such death, destruction and damnation as to make the New Testament’s Book of Revelation look a touch underdone in places. Lockdown sceptic or no, it’s difficult to live amidst such a culture without feeling that at any moment four horsemen might canter over the horizon, rip a few tuneless incantations from their chests like a dystopian Barbershop quartet and then get down to the business of saying it with scythes. Apocalypticism starts to permeate every fibre of your being. Surely, your subconscious mind starts to nag away at you, the two pandemics aren’t comparable? Surely, COVID-19 has to be one of the most nightmarish episodes ever to have darkened our shores… doesn’t it?

Er, no. As Hugh Pennington noted recently in the LRB, the Asian Flu was “by far the most lethal pandemic to affect Britain at any time in the hundred years after the ‘Spanish’ flu pandemic at the end of the First World War.” Cold hard facts support this claim. For all one’s initial cultural sense that the 1957–58 pandemic must surely have been trivial in comparison to COVID-19, when the two are put up against each other in a game of statistics top trumps, the former more than holds its own. Just as COVID-19 represented a novel coronavirus, so too did the pathogen behind the Asian Flu – influenza A subtype H2N2, a novel strain of influenza. Both therefore entered into populations that had little or no immunity to them. As of May 2020, COVID-19 had killed 339,000 people worldwide. Estimates for the global death toll of the Asian Flu on the other hand vary from between 1.5 and 4 million – Gatherer (2009) published an estimate of 1.5 million, while Michaelis et al. (2009) suggested something more like 2–4 million. That already sounds like quite a lot of deaths. But when you scale those figures up to reflect population growth since 1957–58, you realise that what happened back then would be the equivalent of a pandemic killing between 3–6 million people in 2020 (world population in 1960 was 3 billion; world population in 2020 was approximately 7.5 billion). What’s also remarkable about the Asian Flu pandemic is its infectivity. Despite the world being much less globalised in 1957, an isolated outbreak in Hong Kong managed to spread across the world in less than eight months (see diagram, below). Writing in the British Medical Journal, a British GP at the time expressed “amazement” at the extraordinary infectivity of the disease.


The influenza pandemic 1957–58. Point of origin (▮) February 1957; lines of spread of pandemic (→); number of months after February 1957 (0) when epidemic infection was recorded (number accompanies corresponding arrow).

A Times newspaper comment on April 17th to the effect that “an influenza epidemic has affected thousands of Hong Kong residents” was one of the first English-language references to the pandemic. By May there were reports of 100,000 cases in Taiwan and over 1 million cases in India. The UK’s first cases came in late June, although the most serious outbreak occurred in August. From mid-September onwards the virus spread from the North, the West and from Wales to the South, the East and to Scotland. In total, it’s estimated that anywhere from 9–12 million people contracted H2N2 in the UK. That’s the equivalent of 15.4 million reported cases in the UK of 2020 (UK population 1957–58 was 52m; in 2020 it’s 67m). To put that into comparative context, the UK currently has 254,000 confirmed COVID-19 cases. There were also around 33,000 deaths directly attributable to H2N2 in the UK (although one wonders how many elderly deaths at the time may have been due to H2N2 but attributed to other, underlying conditions on death certificates). Again, scaling that figure up to the UK’s population in 2020 gives an equivalent death toll of 42,000. Deaths from COVID-19 to date (May 2020) stand at 37,048. In passing, it’s worth noting that the UK was far less densely populated in 1957–58, and a far greater proportion of social interaction took place at local or regional levels. It’s arguable therefore that in 1957–58 the country was spared more deaths by the fact that its way of life naturally embodied elements of today’s “social distancing” strategy. As with COVID-19, symptoms were mostly mild, and patients usually recovered after a period of bed rest. Onset was sudden and patients would complain of wobbly legs and a chill followed by prostration, sore throats, running nose, coughs and a high fever. Young children, particularly boys, suffered nose bleeds. In fact, one feature of the Asian Flu that undoubtedly did make it more socially disruptive than COVID-19 was its relatively unusual predilection for younger hosts. In COVID-19’s case we’ve seen that it’s almost entirely populations aged over 45 that suffer severe clinical symptoms, additional complications and/or death. In the UK’s first wave of Asian Flu during summer 1957, however, the core group of sufferers were aged 5–39 years with 49% of that group aged between 5–14 years. It killed quickly, too: around 20% of its younger victims died before even getting to hospital and nearly 70% were dead within 48 hours of admission. (Sadly, the elderly suffered later, with this same strain of influenza coming back for them during a second wave in the winter of 1957–58.)

Those, in sum, are what we might call the facts of the matter. It has to be said that neither COVID-19 nor H2N2 come out of this section with any particular credit. Considered purely as natural, biological entities, there’s little to separate the two reprobates in terms of devilment and mischief. But how did the Brits of 1957 respond to H2N2? Were the media fearful? Did the government panic? Were doctors terrified? Before answering these questions, let’s set some parameters for the discussions that follow. Earlier, I suggested that our mainstream cultural response to COVID-19 exhibited a “hysterical style” in terms of:  

  1. Its high emotional content.
  2. The scale of the coverage generated.
  3. The remarkable narratorial scaling-up evident within that coverage – the pandemic is never portrayed as “just” a pandemic, but also as something that prefigures “the end of the world, capitalism, workplaces, high streets, tourism, traditional forms of social interaction, casual sex, etc.”

What I want to suggest now is that the articles, archive materials and letters to editors, etc., gathered together from 1957 evidence a very different style of pandemic response. Where contemporary responses to COVID-19 have largely been shrill and hysterical, responses to H2N2 were largely stoical; that is, calm, measured and accepting. Specifically, the style we uncover is stoical in terms of:

  1. Its low (as opposed to high) emotional content.
  2. The paucity (as opposed to the scale) of coverage. 
  3. The remarkable scaling-down (as opposed to scaling up) evident within the coverage, where a pandemic is only ever “just” a pandemic.

Let’s consider each component part of this stoic style in turn.

3.1. Lack of Coverage

The pandemic generated what appears to modern, 21st century eyes to have been very little media coverage. The British Newspaper Archive, for example, lists just 427 articles containing the words “flu,” or “influenza” or “Hong Kong” and/or “Asian” and/or “Asiatic,” in the period from 1 January to 31 December 1957. It’s probable that the BBC alone produces that many stories about COVID-19 across its various news platforms in an average day. Although the pandemic first spread to our shores in late May or early June that year, levels of reportage only peaked in September (205 articles) and October (163) before then falling away in November (21) and December (11). Across June (35), July (57) and August (85) relatively little attention was given to the epidemic. That’s a bit like our friends in the contemporary media suddenly waking up in June 2020 to the fact that COVID-19 had been in the country since early-March 2020. It’s also true to say that very few political memoirs, autobiographies or hospital histories of or about that time refer to the pandemic of 1957. Reflecting on this dearth of documentary evidence, the microbiologist Hugh Pennington remarked that it’s as if the pandemic “ha[d] been airbrushed out of history”. But is “airbrushed” the right metaphor? Taken at face value this is a word that implies, somewhat improbably, that whatever was written about the pandemic had subsequently been deleted. I think what Pennington’s suggesting, though, is something more like: “Something big happened, it could have generated more written interest, but for some reason it didn’t.” But even on this reading, is his assumption that people in the 1950s thought of the pandemic as a “big thing” correct? Did they, like us, see environmental catastrophes and epidemiological crises in every disposable plastic cup or sneeze on a Tube station platform? One suspects not. Reminiscing about this tumultuous post-War, mid-20th century period, the French philosopher Michel Serres once wrote that the formative experiences of those born into the 1930s were the horrors of war:

At age six, the war of 1936 in Spain, at age nine, the blitzkrieg of 1939; at age twelve, the tragedy of the concentration camps and deportations… at age fifteen, Hiroshima. In short, from age nine to seventeen, when the body and sensitivity are being formed, it was the reign of hunger and rationing, death and bombings… We continued immediately with the colonial wars, in Indochina and then in Algeria… I was six [in 1936] for my first dead bodies, twenty-six [in 1956] for the last ones.

Serres, M., Latour, B., Conversations on Science, Culture and Time (Michigan: University of Michigan Press, 1995).

We’re also talking about a generation who grew up in a world where infectious disease was still a relatively normal part of everyday life. Mumps, measles, chicken pox, German measles – all would regularly sweep through entire schools and towns. Polio too: that disabling, life-threatening condition, was an ever-present reality. Before a vaccine was introduced in the late 1950s, for instance, epidemics would result in up to 7,760 cases of paralytic polio in the UK each year, with an average of 750 deaths. So perhaps the issue here is less that the 1957–58 pandemic was airbrushed from history, and rather more that people living in the 1950s didn’t quiver like aspens every time the world reminded them that life could occasionally be a little difficult.

3.2. Low Emotional Content

What does a pandemic response that’s low in emotional content look like? It’s fair to say we already know what it doesn’t look like. Contemporary responses to COVID-19 tend to start where dictionary definitions of emotionalism leave off, proliferating extreme emotion words and eschewing descriptions of cognitive actions. In his May 10th televised speech to the nation, for example, Boris Johnson was quick to impute certain emotions to his audience. “There are millions of people,” he declared, “who are both fearful of this terrible disease, and at the same time also fearful of what this long period of enforced inactivity will do to their livelihoods and their mental and physical wellbeing.” Fearful. Note that. Not “concerned”. Not “arguing” for a pandemic response in which quarantine strategies don’t feature quite so prominently. Just fearful. Not that the media have shown much emotional restraint either. According to The Guardian, manual workers aren’t just “going back” or “returning” to work: they’re being “forced” back. Nor are they just “concerned” about this. They “fear for [their] health”. Intriguingly, one interviewee also suggested that going back to work was like “dancing with the devil”. Elsewhere, The Times Educational Supplement informs us that teachers in England facing a return to school are “fearful for their lives”. Like some impromptu game of poker hysteria, teachers in Belfast then see those English fears and immediately raise them a determination to retire rather than return to the classroom.

So what’s so different about the UK’s response in 1957? What does it mean to suggest that mainstream response to H2N2 was low in emotional content? Certainly in the corpus I examined it means above all that they contain no emotion words, indeed no emotional content at all. The prose style is dry, matter of fact, and eerily reminiscent of the register normally to be found within a doctor-patient interaction. For example:  

Commenting on reports about influenza pneumonia, Dr. Cowan said, “always when there is a lot of influenza, a few people develop pneumonia, but they are a very small proportion of the whole. What I want to emphasise is that these cases of pneumonia are the exception and not the rule.

Motherwell Times, October 25th 1957. Emphasis mine.

As in this case, direct quotes from experts usually appear and can often span several paragraphs. The journalist, with all his or her rhetorical artistry, isn’t the star. It’s the doctor with his or her dour, stolid and factually-focused prose that grabs the limelight. Note also that scary information is immediately surrounded by statistics and contextual information capable of rendering the scary information “extremely unlikely” as opposed to “likely” (see emboldened sections). We see this strategy elsewhere too:

Asian influenza is just another kind of influenza and no worse than plenty of ordinary English influenzas. It is quite a short illness lasting about three days. The following simple instructions will help if your doctor cannot get to you promptly: go to bed in a well-ventilated room. Drink large quantities of water and take light food if you want it.

Hastings and St. Leonards Observer, October 5th 1957. Emphasis mine.

These minimisation strategies matter because they deliberately avoid cueing readers to have an emotional response to what they’re reading. Emotion, remember, is essentially a strong feeling stimulated by one’s circumstances. Strong stimuli generate strong emotions. That’s why scary circumstances tend to stimulate fear, terror and fright. Mundane, everyday circumstances on the other hand, contain few if any strong stimuli. There’s nothing frightening about banality; about things you can point at and say, “that’s normal”. In every instance where these articles touch on scary things that might appear to be creeping closer to people’s everyday life, they quickly smother those “scary things” in statistics and contextual information capable of proving otherwise. Where the hysterical style renders everyday life as a death-trap, the stoical style foregrounds the mundanity, the ordinariness of the everyday.

To be sure, we do see emotion words being used in a minority of cases drawn from the 1957 corpus, but only ever in contexts where an author wishes to instruct us in how not to response to the pandemic (see emboldened sections, below):

The Medical Officer of Health in one newspaper article as follows: avoid crowded places as much as possible while the outbreak is on, apart from that people should lead their normal lives and not be afraid they are going to catch influenza.

Hastings and St. Leonards Observer, October 5th 1957. Emphasis mine.

Risk of mild influenza epidemic in Britain. Britain may be in for an epidemic of mild influenza. “Ordinary” germ ministry official stress there is no cause for alarm as the “flu” germ is of a perfectly ordinary variety resulting in temperatures which last two or three days.

Birmingham Daily Post, June 6th 1957. Emphasis mine.

Each time a heightened emotion appears, it’s already too late for the hysteric to react – alas, the emotion word has had a negative adverb – “not” or “no” – placed right in front of it! Elsewhere, even more complicated rhetorical work is performed to “trigger” calm and stoic readers:

Asian flu has been so much in the news recently that some people have panicked about the present epidemic.

Skegness Standard, October 9th 1957. Emphasis mine.

The “some people” here is nice. It avoids implicating the reader in the problem: “We the reasonable majority have stayed calm, but sadly ‘some people’ have shown a herd-like tendency to be panicked by the media.” Having expertly separated his moral readers from a reprobate minority, the journalist goes on to discuss what “we” need to do to avoid “unnecessary worry”. Note the immediate emotional downgrade here: in the space of two sentences we’ve travelled from a world of unnecessary “panic” (sudden, uncontrollable fear or anxiety) to “worry”, which involves less intense feelings of trouble or concern. Panic is never okay. Panic is to be frowned upon. In the case of “worry”, however, the journalist is willing to concede that some worry may be necessary. “Unnecessary worries”, on the other hand, can and must be dispelled.

To avoid unnecessary worries it is important that we should realise just what we are up against.

Okay, I’m all ears.

Perhaps the word Asian – because it started in the Far East – has given it a sinister and somewhat macabre character.

Hmm. Not really. But go on.

Let us be quite clear about it – influenza is a disease that is always with us, and it is found all over the world.

As in previous extracts, what we’re being given is context, this time historical and geographical context. Panic decontextualizes things, placing you at the centre of a terrifying universe – extraordinary things are likely to happen to you, right now. Rationality contextualises everything. To see yourself existing within a wider world, at a particular point in time, however, is to make panic appear irrational – childishly petulant, even. So now that the pandemic has been contextualised, “what precautions can we take against the Asian flu?”

The old precautions still hold good. First of all keep as fit as possible, don’t overtire yourself, get your full quota of sleep and eat an ample diet. Secondly, avoid crowds and keep your windows open – in other words plenty of fresh air.

Anything else?

Finally – don’t worry. If you are unfortunate to catch it, don’t panic.

Here’s a final example.

The influenza epidemic is running its expected course. In the main it has been mild.

Not that there’s any complacency about this.

We are not minimising its extent, nor are we overlooking the numbers of deaths which have shocked many areas.

Lancashire Evening Post, October 11th 1957.

Shock is an interesting word to use when minimising emotion. To impute to people an emotion like “shock” is to suggest they have experienced an intense but fleeting response to the pandemic. Earlier, we saw teachers and manual workers describing themselves as “frightened” of COVID-19. Fright can be induced by something that has happened, or just as easily by something that might happen but never does. It’s in this latter sense that the teachers and manual workers appear to be invoking the term frightened: they might die, they might get ill. The state of being frightened, in other words, doesn’t need an external stimulus to continue being experienced: at any point, in any workplace, in any classroom, you might contract COVID-19. Like hysteria, it’s an emotion capable of feeding on itself. Shock, on the other hand, is only ever precipitated by a sudden surprising event or experience. No-one, after all, is ever described as being shocked by something that could happen but doesn’t ever happen. Shock can only be experienced in the here and now, as some event or experience unfolds. In this case, the numbers of deaths reported in a certain area are said to have precipitated shock. Fearful people would continue to be frightened by what this information augured for them; shocked people, on the other hand, would process such information, recover their emotional equilibrium, and move on.

3.3. Scaling Down

Anyone who’s prone to bouts of hysteria will know that the internet can be a dangerous thing. A few minutes’ surfing is all it takes to discover that that slight, almost imperceptible rash you’ve had on your arm for a day or two is in fact a symptom of either Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, leukaemia, or possibly even HIV (or… oh my god, oh my god, oh my god – all of them!). It can’t just be a rash that will fade in a few days, there’s got to be something else going on. Something bigger. Something more worrying. Something that’s going to kill you. Mainstream journalists appear to have been engaging in similarly hysterical processes of “scaling-up” when responding to COVID-19. Very rarely are their stories simply about a novel coronavirus with the capacity to overload the human immune system. That’s not enough. They’re worried, you see, that something bigger is going on. And that’s why they feel compelled to write about how COVID-19 will also ruin sport, despoil society, asphyxiate consumerism, end tourism, cancel capitalism, destroy workplaces (and so on). COVID-19 won’t just “affect,” or “have an impact” on the British high street; it will “vastly accelerate” its “decline”. It isn’t enough for The Times to query when summer holidays will return; it has to ask: “is this the end of the summer holiday?” Over at the Guardian, COVID-19 isn’t just making things a little tricky for everyone: it’s precipitating a “global crisis”. True, life does often seem to be one long riot of global crises for Guardian readers (crises which can of course be experienced vicariously from the safe surroundings of the many vegan delicatessens dotted around Islington), but unlike the dozen or so other global crises the Guardian reported on last week, COVID-19 could actually be the one that “change[s] the world”. Spare a thought, too, for millennials: COVID-19 hasn’t just put a temporary hold on stuff like casual sex, ghosting and pretending you’re polyamorous to mask a complete lack of personality, it’s “ruptured romance”. And what about workplaces? Surely, we’ll be back in those same open-plan offices hating ourselves soon enough. Not according to the BBC. “Pandemic-proofing” offices will involve “long-term design upgrades that put hygiene at the heart of workplace planning”.

In the case of H2N2, however, media reports of and about the pandemic very rarely documented anything other than the pandemic itself: how many people have died so far, what the symptoms are, what to do if you get ill (and so on). Rather than scaling-up the problem there is, if anything, a scaling down. Trawling through the available data, one gets the sense that society more generally was content to consider the pandemic as “just” a pandemic rather than a social catastrophe. Consider the following first-hand account of experiencing and surviving H2N2 in the US.

I spent a week in my college infirmary with a case of the H2N2 virus… My fever spiked to 105, and I was sicker than I’d ever been. The infirmary quickly filled with other cases, though some ailing students toughed it out in their dorm rooms with aspirin and orange juice. The college itself did not close, and the surrounding town did not impose restrictions on public gatherings. The day that I was discharged from the infirmary, I played in an intercollegiate soccer game, which drew a big crowd.

It’s fascinating to sit here, in the lockdown society of 2020, and read about a pandemic response from history that involved society doing its best to keep going (emboldened sections, above). Back then you got ill, you went to bed, you got better, you re-joined society, and society continued to function. That was it. In the UK, something of this stoic philosophy was at the heart of the pandemic response rolled-out by a then recently instilled Conservative Government under the leadership of Harold Macmillan. Rather than dragging power and authority towards Whitehall, Macmillian seemed happy enough to devolve most of the operational, day-to-day responsibility for responding to the pandemic down to local and regional medical authorities. To be sure, the Government advised those with symptoms to stay at home, but otherwise took little national action as the flu spread right across the country during the autumn. Senior figures within the medical establishment of the time also seemed happy to adopt this hands-off approach. “In the end, and in spite of the scare stuff in the lay press,” wrote Ian Watson, Director of the College of General Practitioners’ Epidemic Observation Unit to a local GP on 24 June, 1957, “we will have our epidemic of influenza, of a type not very different from what we know already, with complications in the usual age groups.”

The result was a pandemic response that by today’s standards looks astonishingly laissez-faire. Some mines and factories shut, but that was due to a shortage of fit employees rather than Government diktat. Public gatherings were not stopped. In some areas, schools were closed (up to 100,000 children were off in London at the height of the outbreak), but few sporting events or other mass gatherings were cancelled. By early June, as the first cases were beginning to appear, Macmillan’s health secretary Dennis Vosper had yet to make a public statement setting out the threat posed by H2N2. The virus was at its peak when Aneurin Bevan was heckled at the Labour Party Conference on October 3rd 1957 for arguing that unilateral disarmament wasn’t possible. It was still going about its infective business when CND held its first meeting at Westminster Central Hall on February 17th 1958. During the winter of 1957, Macmillan was kept busy not by the Asian Flu pandemic but by the events that followed the world’s first nuclear reactor accident, when Windscale Pile No. 1 caught fire. President Eisenhower meanwhile was preoccupied by the Russians’ launching of Sputnik 1 on October 4th. In October, during the peak of the outbreak in Britain, the Conservative party conference went ahead as usual. In his speech to conference Macmillan didn’t even mention the pandemic.

One figure who symbolises this scaled-down approach to the pandemic is a junior Health Minister by the name of John Vaughan-Morgan. A quite remarkable man was Vaughan-Morgan. Utterly unflappable, provocatively gnomic at the despatch box and possessed of apparently limitless reserves of indifference for everyone and everything around him. A sense of the unruffled solemnity with which he faced down the 1957-58 Asian Flu pandemic is captured wonderfully in three House of Commons exchanges from the period. In each case he appears as a junior Health Minister fielding questions from the House. I’ve transcribed the extracts below, editing them slightly (but only slightly) for comic effect. You can read the exchanges in full in Hansard (or alternatively here):

House of Commons Debate on Asian Influenza, 1 July

MPIf there is any serious danger of an epidemic of this influenza, will my hon. Friend see that the general public are informed in good time from official sources what they should do?
Vaughan-MorganYes, I will certainly bear that in mind.

House of Commons Debate on Smallpox and Asian Influenza, 15 July

MPIs my hon. Friend aware that a troopship from Malaya arrived at Southampton last week carrying amongst others, 208 people suffering from Asiatic flu?
Vaughan-MorganOf course.
MPWhat steps will my hon. Friend be taking to protect and cure those sufferers?
Vaughan-MorganNone. There were no cases of influenza on board when the ship arrived at Southampton. No action is therefore necessary.
MPIs my hon. Friend aware of the increased incidence of Asian flu in Great Britain?
Vaughan-MorganYes.
MPAnd has he been able to trace the sources of infection?
Vaughan-MorganOf course. In cases where influenza of the Asian type has been identified, the infection has occurred, not unnaturally, in persons recently arrived from Asia. 
MPAnd what extra steps is my hon. Friend taking to protect the British people from these infections?
Vaughan-MorganNone, my hon. Friend. None at all. Normal routine action in the case of epidemics is being taken.

House of Commons Debate on Asian Influenza, 22 July

MPWill my hon. Friend be making a statement regarding the new oriental influenza?
Vaughan-MorganNo.
MPWhat precautionary action is my hon. Friend’s Department taking?
Vaughan-MorganNone. Frankly, we have more important things to be getting on with. Besides, there have been no developments since my answers to Questions on this subject on 1st July, except that laboratory confirmation has now been obtained that persons suffering from the Asian type of influenza have arrived in this country. There is, however, at present no sign of any material spread of the infection here so far.
MPBearing in mind that resistance to this type of infection tends to decrease from the end of September onwards, may I ask if the hon. Gentleman has examined the records of his Department as to the state of public morale in 1917 at the time of the last major influenza epidemic?
Vaughan-MorganNo. In any case, I should say that only a hysteric, a drunk, or possibly a woman, would say that the two were comparable.
MPDoes the hon. Gentlemen not feel that lessons can be learned from those records?
Vaughan-Morgan(Yawn). I refer the hon. Gentlemen to my previous answer.
MPWill he also consider issuing some sort of statement to the public in due course in order to allay anxiety?
Vaughan-MorganNo. In lieu of such wanton exhibitionism, however, I hope my previous answers will be noted and allay any anxiety that might arise in those more bovine members of the British public. All the evidence so far suggests this epidemic is and will be of a mild nature in this country. If this is a convenient moment for me to give advice to the House as to what hon. Members should do if they are unfortunate enough to get this influenza, the best clinical advice I have had so far is to go to bed.

“Everything is under control. No-one should be panicking. The little people will survive as long as they remain calm. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a table booked at the Carlton.”

By August 1957, however, and with the virus spreading all over north-west England, Macmillan started to take a little more notice. He wrote to Vaughan-Morgan on August 23rd 1957, asking about the virus that was “appearing to excite a good deal of public interest”. Vaughan-Morgan’s reply barely managed to conceal its scorn for the intelligence of its recipient (the Prime Minister of the UK, remember): “The general assessment seems to be that eventually [the flu] will affect up to 20% of the population,” he wrote, before adding very much in the manner of the Senior Head Boy at Eton dressing down his Fag for having asked a footling question, that “this is a heaven-sent topic for the press during the ‘silly season’.” The silly season! Vaughan-Morgan’s specialist Mastermind subject would undoubtedly have been “minimisation”, or possibly “the art of scaling down risk”. Patient suffering from severe anal haemorrhaging? “Dicky tummy!” Ethnic cleansing in the Balkans? “Handbags at dawn!” One imagines Vaughan-Morgan touring India’s grimmest leper colonies as part of a Ministry of Health deputation before returning to Whitehall muttering darkly about the deplorable propensity of certain of Her Majesty’s subcontinental subjects to overstate the social significance of eczema and psoriasis. Despite Vaughan-Morgan’s indifference, however, the Prime Minister did forward this correspondence to his Press Secretary with the comment “I am worried about the public relations side of all this”, and a Cabinet meeting was hastily convened. Macmillan finally released a public statement about the virus on September 9th, seventeen days after the press reports which had first caught his eye. That’s over four months after the first cases of Asian Flu appeared. To put that in context, if COVID-19 first appeared in the UK in March 2020 it’s the equivalent of Boris Johnson holding the first of the Government’s 5pm daily press briefings at some point in July 2020… and then not bothering to do any more after that.

3.4. Costs and Benefits

As something of a coda to section 3, it’s worth comparing the economic costs and consequences of the UK’s stoic response to H2N2 in 1957 to the costs and consequences of the hysterical response we’ve been pursuing in the case of COVID-19. As we’re all aware, the UK decided in March 2020 that it would be really sensible to shut up shop, pop a “closed for business” sign in the window, cancel all upcoming customer orders, burn the remaining stock, turn off the lights and then retreat to the (now empty) stockroom to hide under a disused pallet and keep itself entertained by, alternately, hyperventilating into a brown paper bag, wetting itself, and whimpering. But what of the UK of 1957–58? As far as the records from that period show, it made a valiant attempt to keep its economy and society up and running. Loss of work time to sickness was inevitably colossal. On top of existing social benefits, it’s been estimated that an additional £10 million was spent on those who were incapacitated by the virus. 2“Setback in Production — ‘Recession through Influenza’” (Manchester Guardian, November 29th). Adjusting for inflation, that figure would today equate to £243 million. The Times (February 26th 1959) also estimated that if you exclude those additional sickness benefits the overall cost to the UK economy of the pandemic in terms of lost earnings was roughly £100 million. Again, adjusting for inflation gives us a figure of £2.43 billion in today’s money. As a rough estimate, then, it’s likely that the inflation adjusted cost of the 1957 pandemic to the UK was around £2.6 billion. That’s a lot of money. Or is it? Perhaps not, particularly if we consider those losses in light of the contemporary political and economic context. The UK’s Office for Budget Responsibility recently calculated that the current UK Government’s Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (i.e. Rishi Sunak’s set of “furlough” schemes designed to protect businesses through the worst of the lockdown and subsequent downturn) will amount to £103.6bn of taxpayer support. To that already gargantuan figure we must also add the cost of the Government’s Coronavirus Interruption Loan Scheme (Cbils) for small and medium-sizes businesses – roughly £4 billion – and, in addition, the cost of the Government’s fund for start-up business support – roughly £750 million. The grand total of our economic response to COVID-19 so far thus stands at £108.35 billion. That’s right, the cost of the UK’s response to a respiratory illness with an overall death rate of 0.66% (and 0.0016% in children aged nine and under) has been £108.35 billion. That’s roughly the total net wealth of Cyprus, or, depending on how you like your distressing financial comparisons, the annual GDP of the Ukraine. In percentage terms (and again adjusting for inflation), the UK’s contemporary response to COVID-19 has so far been 4,358% more expensive than the response pursued by the UK Government of 1957-58.

But having spent so little, and having had to struggle through the pandemic of 1957-58 with a depleted workforce, surely the UK economy must subsequently have suffered an almighty contraction? Surely it was inevitable that a dreadful and protracted recession would follow in the wake of the 1957–58 UK Government’s parsimonious folly? Well no, actually. GDP growth across 1957 was remarkably buoyant given the circumstances:

  • 1957 Q1, +2.0%
  • 1957 Q2, 0%
  • 1957 Q3, -0.6%
  • 1957 Q4, +0.1%

Adding these figures together gives us total annual GDP growth of +1.5% for the year of the pandemic. The figures for 1958 are below.

  • 1958 Q1, +1.7%
  • 1958 Q2, -2.5%
  • 1958 Q3, +2.2%
  • 1958 Q4, +0.1%

Despite the quarterly figures being a little more turbulent, nevertheless, the annualised growth rate ends up just the same as in 1957–58, at +1.5%. A workable definition of a recession is when a country experiences two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. So what this data reveals is the remarkable fact that the UK didn’t experience a recession either during or after the Asian Flu pandemic of 1957. It’s also worth pointing out that the -2.5% GDP contraction recorded in Q2 of 1958 probably had less to do with the fall-out from the H2N2 pandemic than what we now know as “the Eisenhower Recession” over in the US. To use a particularly apt economic metaphor, “America sneezed, and we (probably) caught a cold.”

So where does this leave us? If the UK’s 1957–58 pandemic response cost just £2.43 billion and yielded such excellent results, then surely our recent and 4,358% costlier pandemic response of £108.35 billion augurs well for the future. What, then, might we look forward to receiving in return for this colossal investment? A retirement age of 45? Record levels of employment and double-digit wage growth across the next decade? Well, no. Not exactly. Sadly, leading British economists warned recently that the UK economy is heading towards a record fall. Their forecast is for a GDP contraction of 14% in Q2 of 2020. Elsewhere, the OBR have been warning that the UK economy could actually shrink by as much as 35% during that same quarter, with two million job losses thrown in for good measure. Over the course of the year, the OBR also predict a total GDP contraction of -13.5%.

Not much to write home about, is it? Personally, I’d be a bit upset if I’d invested £108.35 billion and ended up with a kick in the teeth, my home being taken off me and a P45 ready and waiting for me in the HR office at work. But then the Government doesn’t spend its own money, does it? It spends our money. So I suppose £103.5 billion is neither here nor there to them, really. An easy come, easy go kind of deal. Maybe when we’re all living rough near London Bridge we could club together and get some T-shirts made: “I went to the magic money tree…” printed neatly on the front, with “…and all I got was this lousy recession” scrawled on the back in our own blood. Although maybe not; maybe we should save that money just in case the food bank runs out of food.

Conclusions: From Stoicism to Hysteria?

In 1957 the UK responded to a global pandemic with cool, calm stoicism. The pandemic was “just” a pandemic, not a social catastrophe. Citizens could cope. Death was the exception not the rule. Society (and the economy that paid for it) would struggle on. People would continue to go about their everyday lives. Fast forward to the UK of 2020, and we encounter a society that’s responding to a similarly infectious, similarly dangerous pandemic with what amounts to shrill, hyperventilating hysteria. The pandemic will destroy everything we know and hold dear about life. Individuals can’t cope. Death lurks around every corner. Society (and the economy that pays for it) must be suspended. People must be protected from the myriad risks posed by everyday life. Whereas the stoic proclaims, “I’ll manage, let me be!” the hysteric wails, “I can’t cope, help me!”

Flitting back and forth between these two pandemic responses is like tracing the contours of a profound cultural shift that’s taken place across Western societies over the past 60 years. There was a time when people, individuals, citizens (whatever you want to call them) were seen, conceptualised and treated as resilient, capable and autonomous beings. The stoicism of the UK’s response to H2N2 was the natural corollary to this way of understanding what it meant to be a person in society – after all, if someone was resilient, capable and autonomous, then the onus was on them to take something like a global pandemic in their stride without too much external intervention. In recent years, however, there’s been a slight but nonetheless significant change to the way we conceptualise “personhood”. It’s not necessarily that we hear less about resilience and autonomy; it’s that the significance of problems like vulnerability and fragility has increased. The hysteria of the UK’s response to COVID-19 is the natural corollary to this new, rapidly emerging vision of personhood: if you’re vulnerable and fragile then the onus is on you to allow others to look after you during a global pandemic.

But so what? Is this even a problem? Deep down aren’t we’re all fragile? Don’t we all sometimes feel vulnerable? Of course. But we aren’t talking about “literal” vulnerability or “actual” fragility. We’re talking about vulnerability and fragility as concepts, as terms that feature within debates taking place at governmental, policy and regulatory levels regarding people’s potentialities in society: What are people capable of? What should they be capable of? What can we trust them to be capable of? The relatively recent emergence in the West of phenomena like health and safety, safeguarding and risk assessments perhaps hints at the types of answers these questions have been receiving. The ideal person whom policy makers have in their heads as they design these initiatives is not an autonomous, resilient being. He’s vulnerable. He needs protecting from his own autonomy. Want to use an angle grinder? Fill out a health and safety sheet. Using bleach to clean a toilet? Complete a risk assessment. Successive governments have, in these ways, slowly been redrawing the boundaries of personhood. Unpredictable and unruly autonomy and resilience? Out. Predictable and malleable vulnerability and fragility? Very much in. Perhaps the most remarkable thing about the UK Government’s response to COVID-19 is that in the space of two short months it has achieved what three decades of health and safety regulation couldn’t – it’s encouraged large swathes of people to appreciate the benefits of being considered vulnerable by authority. Do this, don’t do that; touch this, don’t touch that; walk here, don’t walk there. Loss of autonomy suddenly seems a small price to pay when it preserves what you now know to be your fragile, vulnerable body.

But does any of this philosophical chit-chat really matter? Can’t we just learn the political lessons from the UK’s lockdown mistakes, hold a government inquiry, sack the Health Minister, draw a line under the whole debacle and move on? Perhaps we can. But one wonders what “moving on” would really amount to in such a scenario. Those same governmental understandings of personhood would still be in place – indeed, if anything, they’d have been strengthened by many months of getting away with ordering people not to die. That’s likely to be a bit of a problem when it comes to “moving on”. Let’s imagine, for the sake of argument, that another pandemic hoves into view in six months’ time. What then? The type of pandemic response advocated by most lockdown sceptics – i.e. no lockdown, or just quarantining those most at risk with everyone else getting on with the business of daily life – presumes precisely the type of resilient and autonomous citizen that Western governments no longer recognise or want to factor into the design and implementation of their policies. They just don’t see people in the same way that lockdown sceptics see people. Almost certainly, then, a return to lockdown would quickly ensue. Perhaps if we “moved on” for a long enough amount of time, we’d wake up one day and find that as vulnerable, fragile people we needed lockdown protection from more than just global pandemics. “Arrgh! Nigel Farage is about to release another video documenting illegal immigration through the port of Dover. Quick, kids! Into the panic room!” “Eek! Sales of wood-burning stoves in the UK increased by 3.7% during the last financial quarter! Keep an eye out for tsunamis and head for the bunker!” That’s the problem with “moving on”: it treats the problem we’ve got right now as a purely political one. But look hard enough behind anything you regard as a “political problem”, and you’ll almost certainly uncover a well worked-out philosophical position structuring it. That’s why the historic data discussed in this essay is so relevant to the current political problem of how we might unpick the West’s burgeoning lockdown cultures. 1957 isn’t just 60 years ago; it’s an entire philosophy away. It provides a position from which to envision disaster responses very different to our own. The ideal person whom policy makers had in their minds when they designed policy back in the 1950s wasn’t a vulnerable hysteric: it was an autonomous, capable and resilient being. If policy makers thought that way once, they can (potentially) get to thinking that way again.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

The 21st of June is not going to be freedom day

Who knew?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The guy is a lying fuck, of course there was not going to be a ‘freedom day’

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I left Britain two days ago for Chicago. I have never felt so good in my life to be out of the hellhole called Britain run by a bunch of thugs. They are stealing your lives people. Demand better.

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

How do get to ask SAGE ,who currently run the country, when they will agree its safe to lift all rstriction.Its a simple question and i am a simple man .is their a form or something or are they unaccountable ?

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

We need a strong leader with a sense of purpose and a deep love of his nation and its well being. We need a Ron de Santis who understands the importance of personal responsibility and freedom of thought. What we have is a bureaucrat in hock to the globalists and in love with power.

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago
Reply to  mojo

Unfortunately they are all the same, the majority of politicians are people who are failures in life outside politics who would never have achieved a level of authority in any business due to character flaws, and lack of common sense and intellect, so they go into politics hence we end up with the calibre of creature we see today. The majority love the power, the opression and of course the perks they can garner on the side. I think politicians are in general the lowest of the low

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Loz_Dude
Loz_Dude
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Similarly, the ‘scientists’ who get into high and influential positions are often those who are bad at science but good at navigating bureaucracy and climbing greasy poles – e.g. Fauci.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

When all have been vaccinated and have a digital ID record linked to their health history, controlled by the WHO there will still be some restrictions to control and quell the people.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Why are we just accepting all this? Where is the British backbone?I am 80, I worked more than full time from the age of 16 until I was 75 as a selfemployed person,since then I have been sorting out my late mother’s affairs.I was hoping to have some kind of retirement but instead I am doing whatever I can in my power (and I am blessed with good health and a lot of energy) to do something towards this evil that is upon us.What is the matter with everyone? We need to keep going, FIGHT BACK. Nothing is achieved by these negative jellyfish attitudes.How dare the government mess us about like this, if another lockdown is allowed many more small businesses will close forever. And governments have never understood the concept of small businesses becoming larger ones.I am so angry now, everyone on this site seems to want to lie down and put their feet in the air and let the government do as it likes.
This is the third world war, we are in it now. Do something sooner than carp on here on a daily basis. Spread postitivity, do something positive no matter how small, it makes a difference. And forgive the rant, I really am angry.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
3 years ago

Let’s just suppose that the bedwetters get their way. When will the next date be? Leave it too late and we will be in the flu season.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

That is the intention.

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

RISE UP WEAKLINGS

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

Well said.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

Sounds more like SPI-B than SAGE.
No one who is still unvaccinated and over 50 has given them or the government any mandate to ‘worry’ about them.
To the very contrary.
All they want is their freedom, so open the f*ck up you m*r*ns and restrict your unscientific nannying to yourself.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago

Before you get too depressed it’s worth checking out the best rated DM readers comments on this story. Huge opposition to delaying exit from restrictions.

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Yes but why? you make it sound like good common sense on the publics part ,the same public who have been lobotomised on mass and seemingly can ever think for themselves again

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

The same public who unthinkingly got themselves injected with who knows what and assumed that they would get some reward for being utterly stupid. Possibly they still might get a sweetie or two, but only in heaven.

Last edited 3 years ago by Rowan
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mojo
mojo
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

And yet hundreds prefer to queue in a car park on the warmest day of the year to get jabbed, instead of embracing the joy of Summer.

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago
Reply to  mojo

Having not had the injection myself but having been subjected to multiple telephone calls and texts chasing me. Can anyone who has had the injection tell me do they before they inject, inform you that the product is not fully licensed and has been approved for emergency use only? do they inform of the recorded side effects? what to do and where to report if the side effects occur? and do they get you to sign a piece of paper saying you have given informed consent?

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RichardTechnik
RichardTechnik
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

I told my doctor some months ago there was no way I was having the vaccine and please don’t ask again. She hasn’t.
But various colleagues who have ( and one who has had a severe adverse reaction – suspect thrombocytopenia and now 2 fast growing melenomas) told me they have not been informed of any of those. The existence of MHRA yellow card reporting was denied to the ADR case who was simply told to go to A&E if he was worried.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

We need opposition EVERYWHERE!

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Smileits1984
Smileits1984
3 years ago

It’s quite obvious what’s happening here. SAGE want to push re-opening to as close to Autumn as possible so when the inevitable Autumn increase comes they can say, ‘Aha! We told you so’ and then comes the mandatory Vax programme for ALL. With the ‘Great British Public’ cheering it on like some salivating, finger pointing religious order

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Smileits1984

I have been conversing with a chap on TCW who truly seems to think there is no future unless we are all jabbed. Try as I might to lay the facts out, he just will not believe the Government is doing anything wrong. He believes we will all die if the next wave hits. He believes we all need to ’protect’ each other by constant mask wearing and he thinks those of us who go away from the narrative are destroying any chance of normality returning.

We will win this because truth eventually stands proud but in the meantime we are allowing our country to be destroyed, our golden opportunities snatched away and our children injected with a lethal substance. How many will really die on the streets before the gullible accept what tney have done to their fellow humans.

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Schmendrick67
Schmendrick67
3 years ago
Reply to  mojo

I totally understand you Still,no matter will happen,we already lost so much.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
3 years ago
Reply to  mojo

Have you asked yourself why we are letting our country be destroyed? Because most people on here sound pathetic and if that attitude continues we are done for. WET. WET .WET.

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monica coyle
monica coyle
3 years ago
Reply to  Tillysmum

Great attitude, Tilleysmum:) Don’t worry, we have not given up and we won’t stop resisting

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
3 years ago
Reply to  monica coyle

Thank you for that, I do despair sometimes.

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
3 years ago

I have mixed views here. The more outrageous and unfounded decisions these evil people make, the more likely they are to lose the confidence of the general public. On the other hand, those who do not have much interest in checking what they are told will tend to blame the unjabbed. SPI-B know this. Therefore, expect to see a campaign to generate ill-will towards the unjabbed.

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

It’s already started!

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

indeed it has, along with those who will not download the app

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Yes but what will the general public DO when they lose confidence Nothing ,thats what

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

I think it’s already begun. It seems to me that the majority of those sold into jabs, lockdowns and masks are the university educated and state reliant employees. Most of us who have owned businesses, worked in the private sector etc, have learned to be curious and think for ourselves. Unfortunately the State now employs nearly half of the population one way or another. I am including the media in this. The longer the Government can keep gaslighting the public the more chance of demoralising the struggling small businesses, who may then throw in the towel. So many have spent the last forty years fighting regulations benefitting Brussels and the big Corporations they may mow just fold.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Not unjabbed. Pure bloods!

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Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Not only is that divisive campaign in full swing but just like the self censorship resulting from campaign fear – I’m getting lectured by ‘celebrity’ friends (ie those who have ‘made it’) about getting the vaccine – it’s sinister as if they’ve been sponsored – which they haven’t- just a result of brain washing. Many are Australian – the worst – you’re a fucking enemy alien lunatic if you question the point of the vaccine, it’s efficacy (not), and it’s risk.

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vlysander
vlysander
3 years ago

Its all lies and propaganda designed to confuse and scare people into submission. The reality is we are not living in a pandemic. WHO changed the requirements to call a pandemic several times to the point that it is now a pandemic everyday.
There is tiny risk to this virus, its part of the coronavirus family and immunity is widespread to all the strains of them.

The variants are simply made up – 0.3% genome difference makes zero difference to immune systems.
PCR tests are made up, we know the cycle rate is so high most if not all positives are false.
Masks make zero difference
Stopping a virus, what a joke…

Its all theatre and evil people are running the show.

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago
Reply to  vlysander

Presumably they can also vary the PCR cycle threshold at will to suit the narrative – lower the number of cycles to “demonstrate” the effectiveness of the so-called covid vaccines, raise the number to scare the public about the alleged spread of so-called variants and any “new wave”.

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vlysander
vlysander
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Indeed they can and I would say they do. The CDC announced that they are using 28 cycles for people vaccinated (that’s right an official statement!). Its a convulated statement too, again to confuse and disguise.
So across the world they can simply boost cases when needed and reduce them at the moments they want. The very fact they were able to class a case on a positive test only is quite amazing.
This is why they achieved the acceptance by governments to use “lockdown” in the first place because they got the “cases” they needed from the test.

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lincsfloody
lincsfloody
3 years ago
Reply to  vlysander

They should double test the positive result with another test of the 2nd variety, ie, first with PCR, second Lateral. They don’t. For our misleading government, a case is a case, end of.
Gold Standard my arze.

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eastender53
eastender53
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Testing is bullshit. Example. Virtually all of us carry the Epstein-Barr virus. Change the primers, test a large number of people and, hey presto, thousands of asymptomatic cases of Glandular Fever!

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hilarynw
hilarynw
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Having very reluctantly had to submit to several PCR tests to travel for a family event that I just couldn’t miss, I posed the question of cycle count to the company running the tests in my home country and in Scotland when I arrived. Guess how unsurprised I was when both requests received ‘we are unable to give out this information’ replies!

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  vlysander

It is not theatre. We were wrong. It is pantomime.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
3 years ago

Sad, standard good cop, bad cop misdirection play to confuse and divide the public.

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

Dirty, corrupt cops, the lot of them.

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prod_squadron
prod_squadron
3 years ago

This linked video is excellent on every aspect of this crisis, of particular interest was the potential unknown harm to male fertility at 28:06 of the video and also serving a notice of liability as a deterrent to school board members or any other professional pushing the vaccines ( 33:47).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilWq4miJA5U

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

There was never going to be a “Freedom day”. Even if everything explicitly promised for 21st June comes to pass, there will still be masks, mass testing, travel restrictions, track and trace, covid propaganda from the govt and SAGE, vaccine madness, furlough, huge wastes of public money, booster vaccines and most of all the Big Lie that covid was an “emergency” will still dominate mainstream discourse. If 21st June makes some people’s lives better in particular ways because it enables them to work or whatever again, then that’s good for them but lockdown sceptics should be under no illusions that the war is anything like won. I really hope that TY and the others don’t give up.

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Perhapswe the public should have our own freedom day, seriously, what is anybody going to do about it .They wont shoot us ,they can arrest us all,and we arent as a society breaking the law.A society neesd to assert its humanity and has a common right to do so.So a man loses his business and struggles to pay bills ,feed his children because of a virus that we struggled to get a vaccine for and then DID !!!.Im sorry but waiting for these fools to tell us when we can hug,fly ,work ,drink beer is not a sustainable situation and deep down we all know it .Action is required ,subtle and determined.This government will at some point have to do something to get voted back into power and that is YOUR power, your cash is your power,your vote is your power and your basic rights are your power .Lose the masks .lose the fear and lose the crippling compliance and take back what is yours .It willbe easier than you think Do some simple maths .The government will never get the backing of the police or the armed forces as they are society as well .Think On

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  robwallser

Well most of us sceptics have been trying to live our lives normally since March 2020, but there’s only so much you can do. A significant proportion, almost certainly a majority, probably substantial, think that covid was/is an unprecedented health emergency. Vaccine takeup is 90% – that tells you quite a lot about what people think.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I wonder whether the figures are true?

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Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

I think they probably are, just based on the evidence around me. I am the only one of my friends and family who hasn’t had it.

They all think it is wonderful. One of my friends has even said that they wouldn’t give anything to us to harm us, when she was trying to persuade me to have it.

On the plus side, my step-daughter is showing resistance, on the grounds that she would still like to have children & she has stopped wearing a mask!

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yohodi
yohodi
3 years ago

There is Science..and then there is ‘The $cience’.

Last edited 3 years ago by yohodi
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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago

Susan Michie….look into her background to see the true depth of where this going.

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ebygum
ebygum
3 years ago

Two things, “it’s inevitable that the unvaccinated will start to fall ill.” Bollox! I’ll take my chances and prove you wrong.
“Give people chance to get the vaccine,” Double Bollox, try to force and coerce more people I think you meant to say.
These evil liars know no bounds and I seriously don’t give a tinker’s cuss what they say anymore.

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wendy
wendy
3 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

Thank you for expressing it so well … I’m originally from Yorkshire too and they can F off witch their vaccine coercion. 3 letters, 3 phone calls and 3 texts so far. It is intrusive and pressuring. If I have to have a covid vaccine to be allowed any semblance of life then I will see what the Valneva trials look like. No to this current lot.

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Teamsaint
Teamsaint
3 years ago
Reply to  wendy

I have had multiple reminders too. Maybe it’s just me, but I find the social pressure far more intrusive and , in a way, persuasive. But a post on here recently persuaded me that caving in would be an act of betrayal of freedom, and that’s where I am sticking for now. But like you, open minded about future treatments.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

It would more be a betrayal of reason than freedom- unless you have a better insight than I do into the relative risks and benefits of the jabs?

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arfurmo
arfurmo
3 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

I’m hugely disappointed -only one letter , one call from GP surgery and one call from national who gave up when I declined to confirm my dob. They really are giving up too easy.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
3 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

You will be subjected to a “second wave” later, I was😊.

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hilarynw
hilarynw
3 years ago
Reply to  Teamsaint

Yes. For me it’s become far more than issue of not wanting to take a ‘vaccine’ (and a highly dodgy one at that). It’s become a moral standpoint against being bullied and co-erced by a band of people (the majority of whom I have absolutely no respect for and no longer trust) who I do not believe care about us as individuals at all. It’s about not being allowed the fundamental right of looking after my health in the way that I want to. If bodily autonomy has gone, life for me will be a mere existence and the right to retain this must be fought with everything we have.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

Not much of this “inevitable” illness last summer when restrictions were eased and we didn’t have masks, vaccines, tracks and trace (to begin with)

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
3 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

Given that it’s mostly pure bloods on the marches, at SITP, and who have been meeting as normal indoors, unmasked and up close and personal for ages, I don’t see them (us) dropping in the streets in any great number.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

Well at least we know who is running the country and it most certainly is NOT those we nominally elected.

So Billy boy Gates’ SAGE puppets have revealed who is really in charge. No wonder Bozo and Nut Nut could piss about in a wedding all day while the country burns around them. Echoes of Adolf and Eva?

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Niborxof
Niborxof
3 years ago

The marvels of rhe behavioural psychotics unit

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
3 years ago
Reply to  Niborxof

Listen to this. Laura Dodsworth on savage minds.substack.com interview about the misuse of behavioural psychology.

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago

So George Useless can be added to the list of heads we want to see roll at the end of all this shite.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
3 years ago

To play devil’s, the Conservative spin masters will eek this out. They know the people are growing tired of SAGE and their continual doom laden announcements. Especially that they have taken the medicine required for entry to the Church of Pharma. The party will want to to be seen to ride to the rescue. They will no doubt have seen the popularity gained by Governers in Texas and Florida, it’s an open goal. They know this is over, but they have masses perfectly on their strings. They’ll be loving this.

The 21st will happen. Maybe keep masks but that’ll be the only thing because it’s a useful way to keep the fear in at no cost. Then, as the winter comes, push for the vaccine boosters amind new variants. More lockdowns, especially on the non vaxxed.

The non vaxxed will have destroyed the conservatives’ sure fire road map to freedom. The camps will be readied and the police will march them off to their punishment.

Last edited 3 years ago by BeBopRockSteady
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arfurmo
arfurmo
3 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

If Julia Hartley Brewer says no to masks as of 21 June then I can’t see them continuing. Ok she isn’t the greatest media influencer but she does have some clout .

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
3 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

The face mask on public transport regs automatically expire on 20th June, to continue with mandatory face masks on public transport after that date will require new legislation, it would send a weird signal to simultaneously open up and enact new face mask regs! I think they want to draw a line in the sand over these dodgy face mask regs and consign them to history. Doubtless there will be guidelines and train and bus companies may bring in their own rules but my hunch is that as a full mandatory requirement, they are on the way out.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

“It would send a weird signal”. I think they’ve sent plenty. Few have noticed.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I am a regular bus user and there are lots of unmasked now. Wear one to get on as a courtesy to saving the driver’s job in case of Karenism (they really don’t care) then take it off on sitting down.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

They will keep masks, track and trace (we already know that), mass testing, vaccine bullying/lies/moneywasting/boosters, travel restrictions, furlough, WFH guidance. My life won’t change. Lockdown continues, unabated since March 2020. The Big Lie continues.

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Attaboy
Attaboy
3 years ago

Who do these Sage monkeys work for?

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago

Does Ravi Gupta by any chance get funding from Gates or the Wellcome Foundation?
This Mail story is just PR pressure for Ze Vacczines. Get vaxxed or we lock you up forever.
We all have to stop doing as they say. Just stop. And spit in their smirking faces.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Irrelevant. He’s a witch doctator

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Evison1
Evison1
3 years ago

How can SAGE be so dismally useless? If you want to predict the next wave, you could look at other coronaviruses, which peak between December and March in northern temperate latitudes – typically in the first weeks of the New Year. You could then look at the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, which has done exactly that, peaking in late March 2020 and early January 2021 in the UK. The excess deaths diminished this winter and therefore will probably do so again this coming winter. The vaccines, of course, will mean serious illness and death will be massively further reduced (not sure I believe that, but it’s what I think I’m supposed to believe). Last summer, percent positivity bobbled around a baseline, but rises were not sustained until autumn (September / October) and could be predicted to be the same in 2021. I’m surprised SAGE’s models don’t predict predictable empirically observable coronavirus behaviour. What do you think?

Last edited 3 years ago by Evison1
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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Evison1

Lockdown is the goal of SAGE, as an end in itself

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

How much does anyone not want to put money on Kim Jong-Johnson caving in at the last possible millisecond?

He’s a great fat communist fraud and Susan Michie knows it.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago

I have not yet read the comments buuuuut
Are these people on the committees so bloody stupid that they are unable to realise that you cannot ‘contain a virus’?

Did they all attend a special university to learn how to be stupid? My contempt for these arseholes know no bounds.

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

Speaking of universities peddling stupidity…. Princeton has dropped the Greek and Latin requirement for Classics majors. Should we laugh or cry? Cry. Then laugh.

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mj
mj
3 years ago

“Let’s hope Boris sticks to his guns – for once. After all, only six people were reported as dying from COVID-19 yesterday.”
FFS…. “DYING FROM COVID”
Its been a year now.. Why are you still saying “From” . That was put to bed a year ago.. People die with covid. Hardly anyone dies from covid. These are people who have died from something else within 28 days of a positive test. Yet you are still perpetuating this myth
Credibility is going downhill

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago

I have just heard another useful idiot on Today on Radio 4 promoting the variant scare. Boris the Boneless is bound to cave in.

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Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
3 years ago

They can say what they like- people are now wakened to the hype so are doing their own thing

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago

No, they are nit on the brink. This was always the plan. Gaslighting, demoralising, breaking a nation. It makes me so angry that people are falling for this AGAIN……

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago

Prof Gupta is a behavioural psychologist, so hardly an expert in epidemiology. The real crime if that a fuckwit like him is given airtime to propound his crap ideas.

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Kevin Finnerty
Kevin Finnerty
3 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

I’m no fan of his pronouncements on lockdowns either, but on a point of fact he is a Professor of Clinical Microbiology:

Professor Ravi Gupta – Networks of evidence and expertise for public policy (cam.ac.uk)

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

Nuremberg 2 can’t come soon enough!

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LoulouB
LoulouB
3 years ago

Cruel but clever. Give people hope – then take it away – repeat.They soon become so demoralised that they just don’t care – because if they do dare to care – they will get very angry and very scared. Nobody wants to be angry and scared – so they keep their heads firmly in the sand – hoping the nightmare will end. I still can’t work out why/ in whose actual interests this obviously destructive agenda is being pursued. Answers on a postcard please……

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Gdog
Gdog
3 years ago

Well come the 21st if we don’t open up the government is screwed! Business will go under Pub’s and Village halls will be no more and all because Boris has been brain washed by SAGEs deeply unpleasant psychologists and modellers! If Boris esteemes Churchill so much then it’s time he told SAGE to bugger off Boris’s hero wouldn’t have given as stuff about the third wave he would have gone with what he was seeing in the real world

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IanC
IanC
3 years ago

We’ve known all along. Who, with half a brain couldn’t see this coming? They are all lying fu(ks. All part of the agenda which was forecast in several places to the letter as early as last June. Propaganda, lies, censorship. Most of the MSM is complicit. None of the “Normy’s” are even aware. And the next year’s COVID propaganda budget nearly tripled and contracts awarded!
Interesting observation…I finally had enough and cancelled my subscription to The Times and Sunday Times, Daily Telegraph and The Independent, yesterday after many years of loyal readership. It wasn’t a tough decision.
The guy at The Times who was trying to talk me out of it and who seemed pretty ‘with it’, and you would have thought, well-read, didn’t even know there had been a huge march in London on Saturday or any previous protests!! He’d heard there was some trouble caused by ‘ mindless morons in a shopping centre‘ that was all. Suffice to say, we had a long chat. I think we may have a new convert.
Oh, and what’s this I was told was on one of the MSM Telly ‘news’ prog’s this morning? “Unfriend The Unvaxed”. Jeez, Who the fu(k is coming up with this stuff? It is sick and twisted, yet still, the slack-jawed mouth breathing masses suck it up! God help us all.

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago

I can’t honestly remember what SAGE stands for but isn’t the E for emergency? In which case why are they still being taken any notice of I mean where is the emergency?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  Epi

There is no emergency there never was a pandemic! The people have been conned by political charlatans, unfortunately too many people are unaware of the extent of the deceit. I hope they wake up soon.

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago

So the unelected SAGE party is in power headed by? Ferguson?, Hancock?,Whitty?
Who voted for these people? Johnson is a puppet

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Undoubtedly he is a puppet but the puppet master is ultimately Bill Gates whose largesse has greased many a palm of the weak greedy and cowardly.

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Greyjaybee
Greyjaybee
3 years ago

Dr M Yeadon states that these so-called variants are so close in nature to the original as to be meaningless, so one wonders why such ‘sage’ people in such powerful positions are claiming otherwise and basing their misrepresentation upon advice given to the Gov regarding ending lockdown. Seems we will never get out of this hideous loop until people decide for themselves to live normal llves. I now pity the terrified for the gullible fools they are.

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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago

These SAGE experts need to learn to keep their mouths closed outside of their team and stop leaking stories and opinions to the press. It undermines the entire process and simply causes fear. I’d have fired anyone who I had in trust doing this.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago

Lying Boris needs to get some advice from the Governors of Florida, Texas and S Dakota on what to do with Prof Ravi Gupta’s advice

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Schrodinger
Schrodinger
3 years ago

And to think the same experts were not just telling you to go to the pub ‘to eat out to help’ they were paying you (and adding to the mountain of debt) to do so. Track record not to good then 😉

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

How many times does it need saying, I repeat, this has nothing to do with our health it’s about controlling the people and what better way to accomplish this but by fear! However Im hoping the public will be sufficiently angry if Bozo the Clown reneges on the Big Opening.

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janeinuk
janeinuk
3 years ago

Mass revolt if they do

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CarrieAH
CarrieAH
3 years ago

I don’t know one person who is going to continue with this nonsense beyond 21 June. Even the most avid mask-wearer I know now walks into the local store with her nose showing and another wears a see through muslin muzzle. I know, better if they wore nothing at all, but considering they were both very much into all of this a short while ago, I’d say they are finally waking up. Neither of them have any intention of carrying on with any of the “rules” beyond 21 June. The whole pathetic scaremongering has just scared them out of their stupor and woken them up. SAGE can take a running jump off a cliff.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

Why is the UK gov’t determined to destroy even more hospitality businesses? What exactly are they doing. Open up the country and stop ruining lives. The USA has opened up, no increase in cases or deaths. What could this government possibly be thinking? It is beyond belief.

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QuickDrawMcGraw
QuickDrawMcGraw
3 years ago

There’s never going to be a ‘freedom day’ until we take back the freedom that was stolen from us.

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