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Of Course Vaccines Still in Phase 3 Clinical Trials Are ‘Experimental’

by John Flack
15 February 2022 7:00 AM

‘Fact check’ website Lead Stories (which Facebook and others rely on to guide censorship) has published an article by journalist Ed Payne claiming to ‘fact-check’ a recent Daily Sceptic article by retired Pharmaceutical Researcher Dr. John D. Flack. The ‘fact check’ is headlined: “Covid Vaccines are NOT Experimental Gene Technology – they ARE Fully Authorised.” Here Dr. Flack responds.

I think Mr. Payne and I are jousting around semantics – none of which addresses my fundamental concerns as to whether appropriate preclinical regulatory test protocols were conducted prior to MHRA/FDA/EMA approval of these novel gene-based ‘vaccines’. In his own admission, “they’re still under trial for about three years after being given the OK”. Under the emergency powers these gene-based ‘vaccines’ were authorised by the Government health regulatory bodies during the clinical trial phase of medicine development. Many products that have yielded promising results in early clinical trials with limited patient numbers have failed in the ‘field’ when larger patient numbers are involved. Therefore, to those practised in the art of pharmaceutical development, an experiment is still being conducted until the trials are fully completed and reported. To date, only interim analysis of the Phase 3 study results has been published, meaning the Phase 3 studies are ongoing (and are now unblinded so the quality of any final results is questionable). Will the product meet or fail to meet the agreed clinical end points? These are very large clinical trials of products however one wants to describe them.

I did make a mistake in saying: “Under the emergency laws surrounding the pandemic, these new injections were not approved but licensed as experimental medicines so there is no transparency as to the regulatory toxicology studies conducted.” Mea culpa. I should have said: “Under the emergency laws surrounding the pandemic, these new injections were approved as experimental medicines and not as licensed medicines.” (This has now been amended.) The MHRA in its statement says its authorisation was given “following a review of safety, quality and efficacy information from the clinical trials”. This begs the question – which is the main thesis of my article – of what preclinical studies were conducted to identify the toxicological profile of the both the gene sequence in the injection and the spike protein that it induces? I think we should know. Frankly, a ‘trust me’ statement that “there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate the safety, quality and effectiveness of the vaccine” is not good enough.

Mr. Payne says that I am “promoting the idea that mRNA-based vaccines… are a form of gene therapy, but this is inaccurate”. He is incorrect. Nowhere in my article do I use the term “gene therapy”. In fact, I was diligent in not doing so for the very reasons he quotes. I don’t need to be lectured by a journalist on what gene therapy is. How to define this new class of medicine is worthy of debate. Given that I was attempting to cover both mRNA and DNA based products, I chose to use the term gene-based ‘vaccines’. I think this is as accurate as one can get and stand by it. Gene technology is of course an umbrella term for a very wide range of research applications. This means the claim on the front of the Lead Stories article (depicted below) is false – indeed, the article itself does not dispute that the ‘vaccines’ are gene technology.

Finally, Mr. Payne plays the old trick of playing the man and not the ball: “Some vaccine-hesitant people like Flack…”. I am not vaccine hesitant, not by any stretch. I shouldn’t have to declare my health status, but needs must in these circumstances. In the last year alone I willingly had shots for shingles, pneumococcal, flu and Covid. As R&D Chief of a biotech company in Australia I was responsible for developing a rotavirus vaccine – which sadly failed in clinical trials through lack of sufficient efficacy (immunogenicity). I was proud to be a volunteer at my local vaccination centre in the early months of 2021 in helping to roll out these gene-based ‘vaccines’ to the vulnerable, and I have a certificate signed by Mr. Javid to prove it! As someone who has spent his whole career in discovering and developing new medicines, I am only interested in one thing – that the highest standards are met in ensuring the safety and efficacy of all medicines.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

Best news from Scotland for two nightmare years.

“Cancel Culture” and the all out assault on our basic values and freedoms simply must must be stopped if what is still left of our civilisation is to survive.

Last edited 3 years ago by David Beaton
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fla56
fla56
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

True but welcoming in esp current SNP members is surely inviting the fox into the henhouse -I remain to be convinced that any SNP member has anything other than selfish desires for the FSU

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  fla56

I remember a story about an SNP MSP who went to work on Ash Wednesday with ashes on her forehead. In the days of I Like Salmon, they were quite conciliatory towards churchgoers. With things as they are now, I can certainly believe that some members would feel they have reason supporting the FSU. As almost all separatist activists in Scotland seem to coalesce around the SNP, presumably they are quite a “broad church”, and don’t all agree with some of the first fish’s nonsense. I assume that there are separatists who see her as an embarrassment to the independence movement and to Scotland.

Last edited 3 years ago by Hugh
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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  fla56

That leapt out at me too, but Sillars is an old (old) school Nat who actually worked in the real world before getting into politics, in stark contrast to the carefully groomed career creatures infesting the party now.

He needs to be treated with caution, but repentant sinners can make the most zealous converts.

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James Macpherson
James Macpherson
3 years ago
Reply to  fla56

Yes, I was perplexed, to say the least, by something so utterly out of character for anyone associated with the SNP, however peripherally, never mind someone so close to the centre. I’d treat with caution . . .

(I speak as a Scot)

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Nickerless will be scheming already.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago

Its very disheartening to see so many on here have swallowed the big lie about a novel virus based on unvalidated fraudulent tests and not a lot else. Here is another piece of the puzzle showing how the whole thing really is just a massive scam – rebranding old illnesses, plus not mentioned in this article, killing people and calling it covid – ventilators and remdesevir and midazolam for example – plus outright death certificate forgery to bump up the numbers. All very well known in these parts, but still most believe there is a novel virus among all this crime and deceit. Its unreal.

Was Covid19 a re-branded flu?
https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/12/was-covid19-a-re-branded-flu/

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

No in the sense that it was/ is similar but not identical. Yes in the sense that it was of similar importance (or lack thereof).

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fla56
fla56
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

’CTR’ please take COVID-denial pseudo-science drivel like this somewhere else, this is a facts-driven site for the scientifically-minded

Or you might just be a COVID-fanatic trying to spread false conspiracy ideas to tarnish the site? Who knows…

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
3 years ago
Reply to  fla56

Why are you denying the massive overuse of Midazolam?

Remember so far the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists are up 52 – nil

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

More being added by the day.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

Goodness, you’ve managed to keep count – well done!

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CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Interesting article, certainly a very plausible theory, the flu did seem to do a disappearing act, an off duty GP assured me this anomaly was due to social distancing, masks and lockdowns etc.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

tl;dr summary: “Ignore the many labs who have independently sequenced SARS-COV-2 and determined that it is indeed a novel coronavirus. Based solely on under-reporting of influenza, I assume and therefore assert as a fact that SARS-COV-2 does not exist.”

It’s fine to be sceptical, but that’s not worth reading in full.

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TheRightToArmBears
TheRightToArmBears
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

You really have swallowed the scam, because those of us who really know call it the common cold.

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thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

URGENT!!! Comment on the WHO treaty **NOW**
Comments CLOSE in less than 21 hours from now! It will take you <2 minutes to do. Here’s exactly how to comment.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/urgent-comment-on-the-who-treaty?r=o7iqo&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  thinkcriticall

Done (again, for what it’s worth. I suspect that big pharma and their collaborators will find ways of punishing rebel states).
Is this what the New World Order looks like?

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  thinkcriticall

Why do you keep calling this a “treaty”?

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

If memory serves (and it usually doesn’t) that’s the term used by the WHO.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago

Tuesday Horse & Groom roundabout) Bracknell (Downshire Way Broad Lane & Bagshot Road) a great response and 2 new recruits for Bracknell Stand in the Park on Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKFjjWDA0-8
The video is from Brian who joined us from Woking!

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& Station Approach
Wokingham RG41 1EH 

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Stand in the Park Sundays from 10am – make friends & keep sane 

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Telegram http://t.me/astandintheparkbracknell

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

I wish all involved in FSU Scotland the very best.

At least this will wind up Krankie.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago

On the subject of Scotland, there’s an article in the Guardian today from one of Scotland’s chief Covid-mongers: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/12/herd-immunity-covid-reinfection-virus-world

Got to keep that hysteria level whipped up!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Devi Sridhar – how did I guess. Wants locking up with Fauci and Schwab.

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TheRightToArmBears
TheRightToArmBears
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Along with all the other dirty crooks in Westminster.

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watersider
watersider
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Please give us a clue, as I would not commit the sin of linking to that rag , especially during Holy Week.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  watersider

“Testing, testing, testing. Keep those numbers up, keep the panic going, a deadly new variant could arrive at any second.”

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

I assume from the above comment that Sridhar has had the nod from Billy that his new brew is about to be released.

Hiding in plain sight.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  watersider

$generic_corona_bs should be sufficient.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Strangely, I’ve been getting occasional colds for as long as I can remember. From what planet does The Devi[tm] come from if she thinks this must be news?

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nicknorman
nicknorman
3 years ago

Toby deserves our thanks.

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watersider
watersider
3 years ago
Reply to  nicknorman

Yes thanks Toby, we enjoyed your Bafta appearance with Mark Steyn.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago

Free speech with Ayatollah Krankie at the helm? No chance

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