There follows a guest post by ‘Amanuensis’, an ex-academic and senior Government researcher/scientist with experience in the field, who has undertaken a re-analysis of ONS data on deaths by vaccination status and concluded that vaccine effectiveness against death has been significantly overestimated owing to a failure to take into account the delay between infection and death. His analysis also uncovers an alarming spike in Covid deaths following vaccination during a Covid surge which, he says, needs urgent investigation. This post is also available on his Substack page.
Recently a blog post was brought to my attention. This was a very interesting piece of work that is directly related to a previous post of mine analysing the deaths by vaccination status figures published by the Office for National Statistics.
In Norman Fenton’s excellent analysis he considers the impact of a delay in the reporting of a death on the shape of the deaths curve; he finds that such a delay during a vaccination campaign will naturally result in the creation of a spike in unvaccinated deaths and an under-estimation of deaths in the vaccinated – indeed, he notes that you would see that spike in deaths even if the vaccines do nothing. If you want to read more about his analysis his site can be found here – and I recommend at least a quick skim of his work because I’ll be building on the fundamentals of data analysis that he considers.
However, there is a small but significant flaw in his argument; that there was a delay in reporting deaths which has then resulted in the spike in cases that we see in the data. Unfortunately, a check of the data source reveals that the deaths data were given by the date at which the death occurred, not the date at which it was reported. Thus there is little scope to introduce a delay in the data using this mechanism.
This then seems like a conundrum – we have a mechanism that might explain the spike in deaths in the unvaccinated apparent in the deaths data for last spring, but we can’t explain how the necessary delay might have occurred. But there is a potential explanation.
To understand what might have occurred, we first need to explore the timescales of the progression of Covid disease.
We know that Covid disease follows three broad stages, as illustrated by this figure (from Oudkirk et al, 2020):
As can be seen in the lower half of the figure, first comes a mild symptomatic period lasting approximately seven days. Most individuals recover at this point, but in a minority there next comes a period where there is a significant shortage of breath (dyspnea – this is when medical assistance is often sought), and in a subset of those individuals this is followed by a period of significant illness and, potentially, death. The time period between symptom onset and death, if it occurs, has a median value of approximately 19 days.
On top of that, there is a short incubation period of three to four days between the point of infection and the onset of symptoms. Adding this period on gives a median duration between the point of infection and death of approximately 23 days, or three and a bit weeks.
The important point in this analysis is that it is not correct to compare weekly death statistics with the vaccinated population at the week of death; for this analysis the important point of the disease progression was the point of infection, not the point of death. Thus we should be comparing each week’s deaths with the vaccination numbers three and a bit weeks prior, i.e., the point in time when the infection that led to the death will have likely occurred.
It is important to point out that this isn’t a nuance that is ‘worth a try’, like the potential for the deaths to be reported a week after they occurred. This is the only correct way to interpret these data, and to use the vaccination numbers for the week of death is incorrect. Alas, I have realised this too late, and can only apologise for the misleading statistics I discussed in my earlier post – you can be sure that I’ll punish myself with a glass of wine later.
I shall discuss how this new factor affects my past analysis on the non-Covid deaths in a later post, but for now – how does the use of the vaccination numbers at the likely point of infection, rather than the point of death, affect the analysis of deaths with Covid?
In this post I’ll show data from week four to week 20 – week four because those dying in week four will have caught Covid in week one of 2021 and we don’t have relevant data prior to week one, and week 20 because the primary impact of this delay will be to affect data during the vaccine rollout – I’ll cover later data in a separate post. I’ll be showing data for unvaccinated and for those with a single jab, and will show the data for no delay and a three week delay. Note that I’ll be discussing deaths per week per 100,000 individuals, not simply ‘deaths’.
Just to explain briefly how the following graphs will be laid out, I have plotted the adjusted deaths per week per 100,000 individuals against the week of the year. I note that the periods during which vaccinations were given are not shown; they will be earlier for the older age groups (indeed, many of these were vaccinated in December 2020) and later for the younger age groups. The data for the unvaccinated is given in red, with open circles for no delay and filled circles for the data with the three week delay. Similarly, the data for those given their first dose of vaccinate is given in blue, with open circles (no delay) and filled circles (with delay).
Let’s start with the updated graph for deaths per week per 100,000 in those aged over 80:
It can be seen immediately that the introduction of a delay to compensate for the time between infection and death has had a significant impact on the shape of the curves in the graph. First consider deaths per week per 100,000 individuals in the unvaccinated (red data points). The introduction of the delay has reduced deaths in the unvaccinated at week four from approximately 800 per day to approximately 200 per day. We have also increased deaths in those single-jabbed from approximately 80 per day to approximately 200 per day. In the original data the deaths in the unvaccinated fell rapidly to approximately week 10, but in our new data with the delay the data for deaths in the unvaccinated is rather flat with a small peak at week seven.
It is worthy of note that there is still a net excess of deaths per week in the unvaccinated compared with those that received a single dose of vaccine, but that the difference is substantially reduced. Also noteworthy is that at week four the data for those having received a first dose isn’t flat – perhaps deaths from Covid in the vaccinated at earlier time points were higher? Hmm – what about the data for those aged 70-80 who were vaccinated just that little bit later?
That’s a pretty scary graph. With the introduction of a delay to compensate for the time between infection and death we’ve eliminated the majority of the peak in deaths per week per 100,000 that we saw with the uncompensated data. What’s more, there is now a pronounced increase in the deaths of those with a single dose of the vaccine at the far left of the graph. It should be noted that these individuals were vaccinated after those aged over 80; thus we are getting closer to the point of vaccination in this graph.
And the data for those aged 60-70?
That’s a little less impressive, but we still see a substantial decrease in deaths per week per 100,000 in the unvaccinated and a substantial increase in deaths in the weeks after the vaccinated had their first dose.
I note that we’re still seeing a peak in deaths at the start of the study period, whereas the main roll-out of the vaccines in those aged between 60 and 70 was later in July, when the Covid wave was receding rapidly. The peak in cases in the UK was around January 8th, and as testing was usually instigated by symptomatic disease which starts three to four days after infection; it is likely that the point of peak infections was in the first week of the year. Thus it is likely that what we’re seeing in the graph for deaths in those aged 60 to 70 reflects vaccinations before the main roll-out of the vaccine. This is probably also true for the data for those aged between 70 and 80. This suggests that the main risks came with vaccination during the peak of that infectious wave, and that risks were lower after it. Of course, this aspect will equally affect the unvaccinated, and thus the comparison between the two groups holds.
To summarise what we’ve found in this new approach to the analysis: it appears that introducing a shift in the data (the delay) to try to work with the date of infection rather than the date of death significantly reduces the number of deaths seen in the unvaccinated over a sustained period of time and identifies a period of increased risk of death for a shorter period after vaccination.
Because we have shifted deaths per week per 100,000 lower in the unvaccinated and higher in the vaccinated the obvious question is – what is the net position? This is rather difficult to calculate given the data we have, however, we can gain an indication of the net position through a comparison of the sum of all the individual data points over the study period (weeks four to 20, 2021):
It should be stressed that this isn’t a prediction of the number of actual deaths per 100,000 during the study period; it is merely an attempt to compare the impact of our analysis on the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Nevertheless, the two pairs of summed-deaths per week per 100,000 highlighted in green suggest that the vaccines’ impact on deaths was not as high as has been suggested. I’d note that although the data suggest that the vaccines made things worse, I think that might be an over-interpretation of the data – certainly, there is a significant shift in the unvaccinated versus vaccinated population during this period that doesn’t support a simple interpretation of ‘deaths in the vaccinated were higher’). Moreover, the impact of a proportion of the deaths being with-but-not-of-Covid will likely remove at least some of this effect (I’ll come back to this point). Also, the analysis is sensitive to the delay between infection and death – a shift in timescale could have been introduced by the Alpha variant prevalent during this time, changes in treatments for the vaccinated and/or changes in disease progression introduced by the vaccines themselves.
I note that the summed death data for those over 80 (highlighted in yellow) still shows a net benefit of the vaccine – I suggest that this is because those individuals aged over 80 were vaccinated before the study period. Thus it is likely that they did have a similar peak in deaths but during weeks one to three of 2021 and the peak is not seen in our analysis; if this is the case then it is likely that those aged over 80 also saw a lower net benefit from vaccination.
The observant amongst my readers will note that I have not addressed the data for those aged between 10 and 59 found in the U.K. ONS release. As I discussed in a previous post, this is a very wide age range and the variation in death rates in this group is too great to be able to perform a meaningful analysis. It would be nice if the UK ONS could release future data with more granularity in the 10 to 59 yrs age range, but for now these data cannot be considered useful for analysis.
The introduction of a shift in the data to compensate for the delay between infection and death has had a significant impact on the data for deaths with Covid. But is it correct?
I am a little concerned about one aspect of these data – the problem being the usual one of ‘deaths with Covid’. The compensation mechanism I have used is only valid for people dying from Covid – those people dying of something else while infected with Covid should not have the compensation applied to them – well, they shouldn’t be included in the data at all, but once the with-but-not-of data are mixed up with the with Covid deaths application of our delay compensation mechanism will introduce artefacts into our data that will increase the risk that we’re now underestimating the benefits of the vaccines. Unfortunately, of course, we don’t have separate data for with and from Covid deaths.
As it stands I believe that the truth lies somewhere in between the original analysis and this analysis with a compensatory delay, but where in between? Actually, I’m not sure it matters that much:
- If there are many with-but-not-of Covid deaths then this compensatory mechanism shouldn’t be used and thus we have to go back to our original analysis by the date of death. However, if most deaths were with-but-not-of Covid then really the vaccines aren’t particularly necessary;
- If there aren’t many with-but-not-of Covid deaths then the application of the necessary compensatory delay results in the vaccines looking rather ineffective.
No matter which way you look at it the vaccines don’t come out well.
For what it is worth, I believe that approximately one third of all with Covid deaths were actually from some other cause and the individual just happened to be Covid infected. If this is the case then the strength of the effect identified in this post will be lower than I have found. Nevertheless, it appears that there would still be a significant effect even with the removal of the with-but-not-of deaths; the vaccines are likely to offer some limited protection against death, however, the increased risk of death during the period immediately after vaccination is likely to remain.
I believe that this approach to the analysis of the U.K. ONS deaths data for early 2021 strongly suggest that there were fewer deaths in the unvaccinated group than has been considered to be the case. Also, importantly, there were likely to have been more deaths in those given their first dose of vaccine during this period, particularly in the first few weeks after vaccination and particularly during an infectious Covid wave.
This latter point is important. It suggests that in general there appears to be a an increased risk of death immediately after receipt of the first dose of Covid vaccine. If this is the case then vaccination during last winter’s Covid wave will have increased the risk of death in those vaccinated. This work is only a preliminary investigation into incomplete data; however, it reveals a very concerning result – more data and analysis must be undertaken into the risks suffered by the vaccinated in the period immediately after vaccination. Until such analysis shows the vaccines to have low risk in this period, it must be recommended that:
- Individuals being given their first dose of Covid vaccine should be warned that they may have a period of significantly increased risk from Covid over the weeks following vaccination and that they should take additional precautions to protect themselves from disease, including partial self-isolation.
- Mass vaccination during an infectious wave should be discouraged; there are increased numbers of infected individuals and thus increased risk in the crucial few weeks post vaccination.
In addition, further investigatory work must be undertaken to identify the real-world benefits of the Covid vaccines – to introduce risk without benefit is foolhardy.
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Not outraged at all
I knew they were cunts way before this
Indeed Cecil…
Rosie Winterton [Labour] is a trough grazing narrative conformist stooge, the following revealed about her from the 2009 MPs expense scandal:
She took £4,690 from taxpayers for “soundproofing of bedroom wall and redecoration to bedroom, bathroom, living room, kitchen, staircase” in February 2007; £2,574 for installing a new television aerial and work on the front and back of the house; £550 at the same time to repair a leak from a lavatory; a landscape gardener’s invoice included decking, 38 bags of gravel and deluxe trellis, £1,700; £298 for linen and curtains from House of Fraser and £96 for towels, as well as £750 a month for mortgage interest. All up, over four years, she claimed £86,277.
Perhaps this cavalier attitude explains her nonchalant ‘giggling’ casual dismissal of a formal vote on the renewed Coronavirus Act? Thus does the UKs once great liberal democracy die not with a bang, but with a tragic whimper…
The handful of Westminster MPs that can hold their heads up re yesterday’s debacle are the following. David Davis, John Redwood, Richard Fuller, Graham Brady, Peter Bone, Andrew Murrison and Desmond Swayne.
Methinks it’s time for them to dump the sell-out WEF Great Reset aligned conservative party and move to the Reform party PDQ.
Time is running out swiftly.
Rosie is a cunt. Apologies but no other way of saying that
Does he/she/it have a cervix?
If he/she/it self-identifies as having a cervix, then yes. But you don’t have to have a cervix to be a cunt.
I would have thought that one would have to “be” a cervix, or at least have others identify one as such.
How Pensions minister Rosie Winterton used taxpayers’ cash to soundproof her bedroomBy DAILY MAIL REPORTER
UPDATED: 22:38, 29 May 2009
It’s an expenses claim to fire the imagination. Pensions minister Rosie Winterton wanted the taxpayer to spend £890 soundproofing the bedroom of her terrace home in London.
Just why she needed to have the work done is a question which Westminster gossips will doubtless be discussing for some time.
Although she has never married, the long-time close friend and ally of John Prescott is said to have many male admirers, but little has been revealed about her private life.
Titter ye not
stop debating around each member of Parliament relative corruption
they are all corrupt not one has had the integrity to resign . to make a stand they all are parasites taking the 80k plus expenses. plus non execs. whilst they sell themselves like prostitutes to the highest corporate bidder. and fu__ the electorate.
Whatever you thought of Bercow, I wonder if he would have passed over the incident will a jolly “All mates together” chuckle.
Along with the HoC in general, the role of speaker at this vital time seems to be to go along with government.
The point about reforming the Public Health Act being more important is correct, and ultimately it’s a general cultural recognition that lockdowns are stupid and counterproductive that is the only thing that can protect us anyway.
But if nothing else, this was a missed opportunity for a symbolic act. And symbols are important.
In this sense, perhaps it’s to our benefit that this was done, since politically it’s a bit of an own goal by the totalitarians.
Amen.
And what Toby and everyone else forgets and omits completely is that the UK is set on soon signing away all of its sovereignty in those regards to the WHO anyway, rendering reforming the PHA quite futile anyway.
https://www.who.int/news/item/30-03-2021-global-leaders-unite-in-urgent-call-for-international-pandemic-treaty
https://alethonews.com/2021/09/23/pending-international-treaty-empowering-the-who/
Well as someone who has always viewed the UN as a dangerous body with a tendency to generate world government structures, I can only say “I told you so” (again).
(To clarify, I have no great problem with the UN as it was originally established – a talking shop for the nations of the world, structured and ostensibly intended to try to eliminate the use of warfare to resolve disputes. All very well and laudable so far, if a trifle optimistic as subsequent events showed.
But many of those who pushed for it saw it as the camel’s nose under the tent flap for global government, and the cancerous growth of supranational bureaucracies like WHO and UNESCO have demonstrated the truth of their dark vision. They (the Agency bureaucracies) should all be taken behind the barn and put out of our misery, and where international coordination is required separate specific bodies should be created, with less chance of mission creep.]
Very well said sir.
Regardless, it’s the attitude and flippancy towards it.
It was like watching primary school children vote for what sport they want to play in the afternoon for P.E – where the kids who want football just shout over everybody who tries to vote to the contrary – the teacher eventually just goes ah f**k it, easier to just play football to keep them happy
Be outraged, be very outraged!!
I despair when I read articles like this from Toby Young, I really do. I do hope that fence he’s sitting on is comfortable.
Every facet of this governments behaviour is not only illegal, its evil, destroying peoples lives, and needs rigorously challenging.. and what to we get from someone who actual has a platform.. sweet F all..
Agreed, he knows that the reason they did not use the Public Health Act is because that necessitates frequent approval by Parliament and which in any case was meant to apply to ‘infected’ individuals, not swathes of or the entire country.
You’ve got it in one.. its a total sham..
Could he be looking for a knighthood? Best to be a sceptic these days!
I agree. The point is not that the act itself was renewed, but the fact that it passed without a vote. Really, Toby? Nothing to say about the precedent that has been set here?
This country’s so called democracy was a joke to begin with, but now its just blatant. What acts and powers will they decide to pass or renew without votes or debate in the future?
So they have removed their powers to support businesses affected ‘by Covid’ (lockdown?) and tenants in rent arrears as a result of ‘shielding’, self isolation following a test despite their acknowledged inaccuracy or any further potential lockdown.
I’m sure landlords will be pleased but it seems they have discarded the carrots while retaining the sticks.
The responsibility for actions under 1984 act do not lie entirely with parliament but also local authorities, which includes schools and infected children. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/22/body/enacted
The coronavirus act I think is required to make SARS-CoV-2 a notifiable disease, thus bringing it under the 84 act.
Javid is going to hold a press conference re Plan C, there are a lot of people getting exited about another lockdown, will this mean more furlough money or is that finished. I long to tell a couple of people that’s the case.
It was abuse of the Public Health Act, not use of it. Am I not right in thinking the powers contained in it were controversially brought in to justify detaining those who were infected with HIV?! (As happens in the recent drama series It’s A Sin?) This was absolutely abhorrent even at the time. I have no idea why it wasn’t reformed 30+ years ago but I guess people didn’t forsee that it would be used in order to imprison tens of millions of innocent people for apparently suffering with a symptomless killer virus.
“It was abuse of the Public Health Act, not use of it. “
An important point. The problem really was that the checks and balances that ought to have worked to prevent such abuse all failed, in particular the “Opposition” failed to oppose and the courts failed to overturn the willful abuse of legislation.
All because of the manufactured “emergency”.
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.“
A most definite failure of checks and balances just about everywhere in the Western world, with the odd resistance here and there (De Santis and a few other governors in the States, a couple of the many, many political parties in the Dutch parliament stopped some of the more abusive policies being touted, some court action in Spain). The courts in particular have failed the people.
One would assume that an emergency is by definition temporary. What kind of ’emergency’ lasts for going on 2 years?
Let’s hope this does not start to resemble the Cuban ‘revolution’, which been a ‘revolution’ for nigh on 62 years now.
Would it not make more sense to repeal the appropriately yeared “Public Health Act 1984″ act?
It most certainly would, but the parasites running the show prefer the CV act.. and we all know why don’t we..
Interesting clarification. So basically, it’s much less of a big deal than what one would think initially.
For an institution like parliament that relies so much on form and appearance, the optics of waving through something that is called the Coronavirus Act, and has represented the transformation of our society, with a smattering of voices and a giggle from the Speaker are just not good.
It further undermines any faith in our institutions. Maybe not such a bad thing, come to think of it…
“… it’s much less of a big deal than what one would think initially”
As you imply – only from a tunnel-vision perspective.
Beyond that, it is absolutely indicative of a raddled democratic system that is now rotten at its very core of time-serving representatives.
Nothing more permanent than a temporary government policy.
Hand over 60%+ of your income, the napoleonic war is still being fought!
I was going to say the same, except there is an annual sunset clause which requires the finance act to be renewed each year.
Habitually nodded through though, and it seems that the Chinese Virus Tyranny Act 2000 is going the same way.
Exactly. By the way, have we flattened that curve yet? …
Maybe we would see things clearer if we took ‘covid’ out of the equation and just thought about control methods
I have a copy of Jabids announcement this afternoon
‘I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room at 10, Downing Street.This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a final Note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 0’clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that consequently……….’
Oooopps sorry wrong one
The longer I look at this, the more I am convinced that peaceful protesting will not work. Millions of people have been out in the streets on multiple occasions protesting against the government. A few decades ago, the government would have been forced to resign in the face of such protest. But these days they do not care. There are no petitions we can sign, there is not protest we can join, that will get them to change their minds. When such a situation is reached, the only option that remains is the same option adopted by Eastern Europe in 1989.
Agreed – unless they’re scared for their lives or dead, nothing will change.
“When such a situation is reached, the only option that remains is the same option adopted by Eastern Europe in 1989.”
But that requires mass resistance.
It’s debatable to what extent that could have happened anyway without the competing example and interference of the US sphere.
Where is our “free world” to show people that there is an alternative, today? A few US states and Sweden is unlikely to cut it, I think.
Well, I’m not saying it will happen, or that it can easily happen. I’m saying that, as far as I can tell, we are running out of alternative options.
And yes, you are right. Having a “free world” to point at is crucial. This is why the fall of the US has been in the works since before WW2. The Communists were having a very hard time telling starving peasants how great the Communism they’re living under was and how evil Capitalism was when Capitalist America was heaven on Earth. This is true today. You cannot convince the world to live under globalism and communism and to surrender their rights in exchange for social benefits if Americans are living the life, enjoying freedom and capitalism. This is why Trump was as demonized as he was: he was very libertarian compared to other presidents, and showing the world how well libertarianism and free markets work would have undone all their hard work.
I know I’ll get criticism from various people because of what I just said, but to these people I have only one thing to say: Come at me, bro.
Peaceful protesting has never achieved anything in this country.
And we cannot vote our way out of this when all candidates are running for the Party of Davos.
Undirected non-peaceful protest won’t do achieve anything either – why would our rulers care?
I am not advocating the alternative to those methods.
But what else remains?
There are a lot of people that have been warning everyone about this. Jordan Peterson comes to mind. We have all been warned that when free speech is denied to us and we can no longer talk and reason about important issues, violence is the only solution left. I am not sure if the elites want this to happen so they can in turn use violence freely on the population, or if they’re counting on the population remaining docile after decades of training.
I am very outraged, and here is something we should all be outraged about…
The RNA used in the Pfizer and Moderna gene therapy products uses an analogue of one of the nucleotides (a building block of RNA) instead of the naturally occurring nucleotide – a methylated pseudo form of uridine instead of uridine – in order to make it highly resistant to degradation. Together with CG enrichment and other modifications (a cap and tail), this enhances stability and longevity of the mRNA, enabling continued production of spike protein using the same mRNA over a prolonged period. This is expected to increase the number of spike proteins produced, extending the period during which damage to tissues can occur throughout the body. Nucleotides in our cells are often re-used. The impact of these highly unnatural pseudo-uridine nucleotides on the body, how long they persist and whether they interfere with normal cell function is unknown.
details here…
https://www.independentinformation.co.uk/resources/articles/covid-vaccines-safe-effective
I had a Uridine card but post lockdown most restaurants won’t take it
Has this RNA with artificial nucleotide ever been used before?
don’t know, but this suggests not…
”The impact of these highly unnatural pseudo-uridine nucleotides on the body, how long they persist and whether they interfere with normal cell function is unknown.”
Sorry but this is largely needlessly apologetic bollocks. No-one with any sense of truth can support the Coronavirus Act, and it should be removed now, and all sceptics should want to see it removed. It’s all part of perpetuating the Big Lie.
So most of the of powers used were part of Public Health 1984. We knew that, thanks. So what? And yes, that should be removed too.
The government and MPs, with very few exceptions, are the ENEMY who are seeking to DESTROY us. They have been waging war on us for 18 months, with our own money.
Absolutely, as you say, with a few exceptions MPs are up to their neck in this clear as day attack on our population and are in reality just lapdogs to the anti-British government. Democracy in our country died 18 months ago and I see no reason to believe it will return.
In all truthfulness, what difference did it make?
Anyone that still believes we still live in democracy is to far gone, wasting time trying to convince themselves otherwise is pointless.
However, there must be grounds for judicial review, not only was there no vote but worse still labour’s support for prolonging this fraud, was not on public health grounds (disease suppression) but “sick pay”! Yes that’s right, socialist values! It’s not about covid.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/live
I don’t disagree with the detail of this article in terms of the legislative framework.
HOWEVER, debates are also symbolic theatre, and this was an opportunity for a working democracy’s representatives to forensically discuss the massively important issues around this Act.
That this did not occur is the most important lesson.
Well I’m not convinced by the argument, and I’m pretty sure we are about to see more draconian policies introduced or reintroduced on the back of the Act. But thanks for writing the article.
It all seems to be an argument along the lines of “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin”. This lot can shove through whatever rules or diktats they want, in the face of a supine Opposition and slavish self-seeking Government MPs. It is patently absurd to be making excuses for this “legislation” or these “decrees” by pondering the niceties of this Act or that, and what has or hasn’t been removed.
No amount of explanation or justification can disguise the fact that the whole morass is a blatant dismissal of all and any democratic principles.
Forget Steve Baker, he’s very good at saying what people want to hear but when it comes to the crunch will always support Boris and restrictions.
He’s not actual opposition to anything at all.
Steve Baker.. ha ha ha ha.. my limp wrist.. yeah.. forget him!
Don’t worry, if you have a look at the votes, candidate names, and demographics of his constituency, you can be assured that he’ll be out on his ear come the next election.
Of course, what will replace him is hardly great news either.
Can I just say that how lonely and depressed I’m feeling. It’s been 20 months and I still don’t know of anybody who’s died with or of covid, am I the only one who’s living in this despair of not personnally knowing anybody who’s died of this killer disease? (I’ve personally know of 10 people who have died over the past 20 months, all elderly. I’ve known of people who’ve tested positive and classed as very vulnerable but all have survived, including a 94 year old who’s paralysed from strokes, has advanced dementia and doubly incontinent and her own daughter says she should die as she’s living in hell).
You’re definitely not alone
I briefly met a doctor who later died of it in March 2020.
The BMJ obituary said that he was ‘healthy’. My information suggests otherwise; he was diabetic and on several strong drugs.
Chris Martenson did a talk on the health of people who in the USA died ‘of COVID’, based on CDC data. If I recall rightly, 60% of deaths were in people who had six or more co-morbidities
I didn’t know that one could have six co-morbidities and still be alive …
Boris is the new Caroline Lucas, and still she stands in Parliament with a big smile on her face telling us about her Utopia once we have a different boiler or car. She wants it all done in 10 years! The control (virus) is to get their Green issues in full force and everyone keeps blabbing on about a virus, muzzles, lockdowns. ALL they care about is GREEN, its the new Industrial Pot of Gold, the nhs is a smokescreen
Actually, I think the colour they truly love is RED!
Hence them being described as the melon party (green veneer, red to the pips).
She did actually vote against the renewal of the legislation, back in March … along with most of the Tory right, Labour left and Lib.Dems.
Historically there seem to have been two wings of the G.Party …
1) libertarian/wanting a more decentralised society and
2) centralising/authoritarian.
There are some severe environmental problems and limits to growth. You only have to delve into the consequences of GM crops in the USA and the torrent of glyphosate spray they receive, which of course has health consequences. Is this one reason why Americans now have almost the shortest life expectancy of any rich country?
FWIW I read ‘the Population Bomb’ 50 years ago and understood its message.
But now we’re in favour of GM humans?
Lucas isn’t worth thinking about. She’s just another non entity spouting the script. If majority of these arseholes had to do a real days work they’d be on the floor begging to make it stop. Not one of them contribute anything of worth..
Right at this moment, we should probably be more concerned at the exploitation of the Amess murder to push through the evil Online Harms bill:
Boris Johnson promises ‘criminal sanctions with tough sentences’ for people who put ‘foul’ abusive or extremist material online in the wake of the murder of Tory MP David Amess
NEW The premier said there would be ‘tough sentences’ for those behind abusive and extremist content posted to social media sites, as he faced Prime Minister’s Questions in Parliament. He sounded the warning to internet giants as he told MPs the Online Harms Bill will make progress in the Commons before Christmas. The legislation is expected to force the biggest tech firms, such as Facebook and Google, to abide by a duty of care to users, overseen by Ofcom as the new regulator for the sector. Mr Johnson was pushed by Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer to use the ‘inescapable desire’ of MPs, in the aftermath of the killing of Conservative Sir David Amess to ‘clamp down on the extremism, the hate and the abuse that festers online’.
If people haven’t noticed how laws and structures introduced to supposedly control “hate speech” were smoothly adapted to suppressing coronapanic dissent, and don’t understand that these new laws will be used to do exactly the same, only more so, then they are frankly too stupid to be viewed as adults.
Doubly so for those conservatives of an authoritarian inclination, who might be tempted (as they so often regrettably are) by the image of “firm governance” these measures always carry. If they haven’t yet noticed that such measures are invariably applied with systematically selective political bias, to punish and suppress conservative resistance to radical leftist wokeism, then again, they pretty much deserve what they are going to get. Which doesn’t make it any better for the rest of us, sadly.
“Right at this moment, we should probably be more concerned at the exploitation of the Amess murder to push through the evil Online Harms bill”
Jeez! We’re in agreement .
Eurosceptic Amess would’ve instantly been picked to lead the opposition to bills of this kind (like he ran the anti-vaxxpass0
This is a DELIBERATE INSULT to his name to put off others who want to step out of line.
I was going to make a long comment but truthfully I don’t have the time. I want to join the queue early on to ensure I get my jabs for the upcoming Marburg virus. You know, the jabs with the RICIN toxin in. Can’t wait, bye ……….
Does anyone think this could emerge as an issue in the next General Election? I am thinking along the lines of anti-lockdown candidates or tactical voting to remove the MP’s who have supported this.
There were several anti-lockdown candidates in the London Mayoral Election. Between them they got hardly any votes. There are a few fringe parties with anti lockdown stances – Freedom Alliance, Heritage, Reform, Reclaim, SDP to an extent. Other than possibly Reclaim I doubt they have much funding.
If they united and were given funding and presented a single anti-lockdown candidate in each constituency they might make some inroads. it would be good for us to have some way to express our views when voting other than spoiling the ballot paper.
However the fundamental issue is not that the great mass of sceptics is being betrayed by the politicians, but that there is no great mass of sceptics. There was always something close to a silent majority for Brexit, and it took decades and hard work for it to happen. There’s no such silent majority who have seen the “pandemic” for what it is – a Big Lie.
Yes I see your point. I live in Scotland and it is interesting (or depressing depending on your perspective) that the election for the devolved legislature in May this year changed practically nothing – same as it did in Wales. It was disappointing that none of the anti-lockdown parties even managed to get seats on the regional lists which are usually the target for candidates who would otherwise find it impossible to win via first past the post.
“ … there is no great mass of sceptics”
Yes. This is the hard truth. There is no comparison with the Brexit issue, where the propaganda war was a two-way street, and the balance of belief was reflected reasonably accurately.
just vote to remove ANY incumbent MP.
https://marktwainstudies.com/the-apocryphal-twain-politicians-are-like-diapers/
Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often, and for the same reason. Mark Twain (attributed wrongly, as the article explain it was by a libertarian party candidate).
This argument completely misses the point. The message behind this is that our dear elected representatives can’t be arsed to care about this issue. That’s important and not some technicalities re: which laws the govermnent abused in which ways to do X.
Odd. They didn’t give a flying fuck when they were murdering people in droves in care homes
But now it’s about one of their own
‘Amess amendment’ for last rites at crime scenes – BBC News
Why on earth do we need a law to allow this? I thought under English law, everything was allowed unless specifically forbidden.
Are they telling us that administering the last rites at a crime scene was previously illegal?
They do that a lot now with lawmaking – someone says ‘something must be done’, and an act of pariliament duly emerges about something very specific. In many cases there are perfectly suitable more general-purpose laws in force already which could achieve the same thing but just aren’t being enforced.
Denmark, Norway, Sweden … none of the Scandanavian countries are bothering with this covid claptrap any more because (quite sensibly) they consider the virus as no longer a national threat … so why has the House of Commons nodded through an extension of covid powers that are completely unwarranted for the very low level of threat from a virus that is about as deadly as a severe case of flu.
This does not make sense?
It makes sense if you stop thinking about well-meaning, honest motivations for political actions
although it’s a lot less deadly (and nasty) than flu if you’re body-aged below 75…
and that’s me experience unjabbed (without the dubious “protection” of the clot shots).
I got to paragraph two “But there are two reasons why its renewal should not set off alarm bells.”.
Is this guy for real? The fact an entire country has to obey even a watered down edict without any democratic oversight is an abomination. This idiot doesn’t even mention that this extension takes us up to TWO YEARS with no democratic oversight. Why not just get rid of votes? (one election was cancelled and where were the press on that one?). It’s obvious Parliament doesn’t matter, our votes don’t matter.
What do mean 2 years?
Genuine question, because I was of the understanding, the corona sunset clause meant the act expired after 2 years, it was up for review every 6 months until that point.
It really doesn’t matter any, still under the impression this is democracy is suffering Stockholm syndrome.
Being outraged about anything hasn’t really helped our cause. It’s water off a duck’s back as far as this government is concerned. To the best of my ability I’ve just resisted their diktats as much as possible.
Press conference coming up, powers extended, new variant, pantsdown in the media and BOOM passports! Can’t wait.
I am outraged.
Not surprised, only outraged.
no Toby you are wrong. there is no excuse there is no argument that this is a less draconian sector rules. Once you go down that rabbit hole you are lost it is accepting of the principle of removing liberty because 80% is given back. which is better than nothing.
No we want complete removal not even 1% of the previous emergency rules. Because to accept crumbs is to accept a loss of what as a free human is your right you are just in a negotiation now to accept you must lose some rights in order to get a bit of the life you had before.
That is not good enough for me I don’t negotiate with terrorists.
The British were among the first slaves, this sovereign man, free man, Magna Carta, constitutions, treaties all nonsense.
Common law isn’t natural law, what man makes, man can break! Its not a right if it can be taken away.
You, me & the other 99.9% are just slaves of our own making. It’s mass cognitive dissonance, the population suffering Stockholm syndrome are beginning to see the truth of it.
You are not & never were free.
Bab not sure what you mean, but I do know I am not taking their crap anymore, when something is wrong, and I know its wrong I am not going along with it, If a law is unjust a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so,
The online harm bill is actually the online censorship bill
Totalitarians love to supress the truth
I’ve given up on signing petitions. The government do what they want regardless.
Its outrageous, 2 years an the incompetent idiots are still at it. Obviously the jabs are going quick enough for Mr Gates
are not
It’s symbolic though, isn’t it? By renewing it they are saying that they intend this shitshow to carry on. I fully accept that the PHA is the bigger problem and that does need reforming, but non-renewal of the Coronavirus act would have given a message that normality was returning whereas renewing it without a vote says the opposite,
They need that fake ‘state of emergency’ to get people injected with the clot shot. Gates arrival and partying with demonic Royalty points to exactly where this is going. The old gal’s onboard for both convid and climate, while old Phil’s trying his best to be reincarnated as a virus..
The utter contempt for the plebs displayed by our political class yesterday was an excellent opportunity for people to witness at first hand the manner in which our ‘democracy’ functions ie. there is no democracy. There is instead a one party state composed of various factions headed up by identical puppets all touting the same globalist mantras. The ritual shaking of fists across the floor over mild differences in policies are all part of the theatrics designed to give an illusion of choice when in reality, none exists. They all agree to accept the path dictated by the UN, WEF, World Bank and a plethora of other globalist bodies – and this is why this legislation was simply nodded through. The only difference now is that they can no longer be bothered to even give the impression of disagreeing on policy – and this level of contempt can only wake more people up.
Get ready for more BS lockdown people. Sajid Hancock just said there COULD be 100,000 cases per day of the new Sub Variant. I am despairing.
ignore them, ignore him, get on with your life we all should just stick together and say as this gentleman does, if we all stick together they cannot break us,
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ygXJCp9ykhxB/
Ok I’ll make this short!
If MPs can’t be arsed to vote…
I can’t be arsed to comply.
“Steve Baker … He rightly understood that the renewal of the Act was small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.”
Wrong, wrong, wrong. There is a symbolism here that the government & parliament can do what it wants and laugh as the speaker did. No need to justify or explain or check. It was a parliamentary finger in the air to freedom.
I’m sorry but for me democracy is democracy or it’s not. This is another chip off our standards.
Constitutionally where do we stand if a vote is required yet no vote is taken. Any Constitutional lawyers out there with an answer?
Covid Crusher: Mix one heaped teaspoon of Iodine table or sea salt in a mug of warm water, cup a hand and sniff or snort the entire mugful up your nose, spitting out anything which comes down into your mouth. If sore, then you have a virus, so continue morning noon and night, or more often if you want, until the soreness goes away (2-3 minutes) then blow out your nose and flush away, washing your hands afterwards, until when you do my simple cure, you don’t have any soreness at all, when you flush – job done. Also swallow a couple of mouthfuls of salt water and if you have burning in your lungs, salt killing virus and pneumonia there too.
Gargling, using saline solution or tablets is a waste of time, because they deal with Covid in the body and not the virus in the head, where it is at its most vulnerable – how silly such an easy thing to destroy, is left to become the
bio-weapon which kills you.
I have been doing this for over 27 years and not one person has died from this simple cure, or been injured from it from those I have been able to pass it on too, myself included.
The Iodine in the salt kills Coronavirus or the Flu, in the nasal passages of the head and flushes out the escutcheon tubes to the ears, the brain stem and the brain bulb, so no long Covid either – dead Coronavirus = no Covid in the body ever and the salt water provides a protection over the surfaces where Coronavirus and the Flu like to breed – pour a bit of solution on a flat surface and see how it dries – what viruses hate, because it murders them, kills them dead.
Irrespective of if you have been vaccinated or not, do my simple, free cure and avoid further booster shots if you can – or better yet, don’t get vaccinated at all – the vaccines kill, one way or another and horribly too, sooner or later and then we get around to those Nanobots and other things in the vaccines (shudder).
Richard
“It’s only mild despotism, and probably won’t be abused much now.”
Talk about not reading the room, Toby.
Hartley Brewer educated herself about the so called Climate “Emergency Crises” But remained quiet Un-Educated & naive ( as a sheep ) duding this past 18 months. I’m glad to see that she is waking up slowly albeit a little too late from certain events