Young People Over-Estimate Covid Risk
A new working paper published in the National Bureau of Economic Research contains a shocking table (see above). The results are based on an online survey of over 1,500 Americans from May 6th – 13th.
The respondents in the 18-34 year-old age group thought their risk of contracting COVID-19 was about 8.8% and if they caught it their risk of being hospitalised around 7.5% and their risk of dying 2%. If those figures were true, that would mean that 0.176% of 18-34 year-olds would die from coronavirus. There are 76.2 million Americans aged 18-34, so if the respondents’ estimate of the risk was correct that would mean 134,112 people in that age group will die.
Needless to say, the real risk posed to 18-34 year-olds is far lower. The Stanford Professor John Ioannidis co-authored a paper in May entitled “Population-level COVID-19 mortality risk for non-elderly individuals overall and for non-elderly individuals without underlying diseases in pandemic epicenters”. It includes the following table showing the total number of under-40 year-olds who’d died from the virus in various countries:
**Data shown for the group with age <35 years (not available for age <40 years)
Admittedly, this was up to date on April 24th and the numbers will have increased a little since then, but not by much. Ioannidis et al concluded that if you’re under 65 the risk of dying in a road traffic accident is higher than dying from COVID-19.
Herd Immunity
A science professor has got in touch to comment on my piece in the Telegraph on Saturday in which I claimed the UK was well on its way to achieving herd immunity. I cannot be any more specific than that because he doesn’t want to be identified. But he says that, if anything, I understated it.
I note your article today saying “we’re on our way to achieving herd immunity”.
The fact is, however, we already have achieved it!
Once herd immunity has been achieved, the fraction of people infected starts to fall. Since R has been <1 for months now, then by definition, we achieved herd immunity at each point in time over those months for the way society was operating at each of those points in time. This does not prove we have enough immunity in the population to keep R <1 (i.e., to maintain herd immunity) if we (ever) fully release lockdown – but we both know the examples out there that suggest we do have enough immunity.
This is not just an academic point I am making. It is relevant when you look at the Leicester situation. Even in Leicester we still do have herd immunity, i.e., the prevalence of viral infection continues to decline. It is just declining slower here than elsewhere. Nationally it has fallen by >100 fold. It has fallen a few fold less in Leicester, and a few fold more elsewhere. Admittedly there probably were a few weeks bridging May and June when it plateaued or crept up a little in Leicester and elsewhere (i.e., R very slightly exceeded 1), but that has been resolved in the last few weeks.
Although it’s possible that the whole Leicester situation is nothing more than an artefact, due to the fact that PHE do not publish the total number of tests done (i.e., they only release the number of positives). So if a slightly larger fraction of the population in the Leicestershire region were being tested (for whatever reason) compared to other places, then this would give the impression that there is an increased prevalence. Interestingly, just two weeks ago, a PHE report sent to Peter Soulsby, the Mayor of Leicester, stated: “It is considered likely that a large contribution to the apparent change may be associated with increasing testing…rather than a true increase in the number of new infections occurring” and “Evidence for the scale of the outbreak is limited and may, in part, be artefactually related to growth in availability of testing.”
A Future Oxford Student Writes
A reader who has accepted the offer of a place at Oxford starting in the autumn contacted me a couple of months ago to ask me whether I thought it was worth going or whether they’d be better off deferring if they could. I said the situation might look less glum in a couple of months. Turns out, I was wrong.
You may already be aware of this, but I thought I’d draw your attention to the latest news on the arrangements for students in the autumn – here is an excerpt from the website:
“From the start of the new academic year, face coverings will be required during face-to-face teaching and in indoor shared spaces, with exceptions for both individuals and settings where they are not appropriate (for example on grounds of disability). Details on how this will operate will be consulted on.
“University libraries will operate social distancing through capacity limits, with spacing of reader seats, one-way systems, and enhanced hygiene measures, as well as a ‘seat-finder’ app so that reading room spaces can be easily identified.
“Our spaces – both research and teaching, as well as social spaces, communal areas and areas open to the public – will be adapted to ensure social distancing and appropriate ventilation are maintained in accordance with government and scientific advice. We will be timetabling activities and staggering timings to ensure social distancing measures are as effective as possible. The adaptations to our spaces, supported by clear signage and markings, will enable all to safely enter, move through, work in and exit buildings and facilities.”
All quoted from: the University website.
Lectures will be online for at least the first term. Social distancing will also be in place, so I’m not holding out for much in the way of musical societies, drama or group sport…
I asked the student if they could defer for a year. Answer: probably not. On the University website it says:
Will Oxford let offer holders defer their place to 2021 if they don’t wish to start in October 2020?
Subject to any public health conditions still being in force, we are expecting to welcome a full cohort of new undergraduates in October 2020, so we will not routinely support requests for deferral. Any offer holders with particular, verifiable reasons to wish to defer their place should contact the college which made their offer or open-offer to discuss this.
Swiss Doctor Updates Site
The Swiss Doctor has updated his site and, as always, it contains a brilliant summary of the latest research showing the widespread prevalence of T cell cross immunity, etc., buttressing the view that we’ve nearly achieved herd immunity across Europe and America. Below is an extract from the section on the lethality of the virus:
Most antibody studies have shown a population-based Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of 0.1% to 0.3%. The US health authority CDC published in May was a cautious “best estimate” of 0.26%.
At the end of May, however, an immunological study by the University of Zurich was published, which for the first time showed that the usual antibody tests that measure antibodies in the blood (IgG and IgM) can detect at most about one fifth of all coronavirus infections.
The reason for this is that in most people the new coronavirus is already neutralised by antibodies on the mucous membrane (IgA) or by cellular immunity (T cells) and no symptoms or only mild symptoms develop.
This means that the new coronavirus is probably much more widespread than previously assumed and the lethality per infection is around five times lower than previously estimated. The real lethality could therefore be significantly below 0.1% and thus in the range of influenza.
At the same time, the Swiss study may explain why children usually develop no symptoms (due to frequent contact with previous corona cold viruses), and why even hotspots such as New York City found an antibody prevalence (IgG/IgM) of at most 20% – as this already corresponds to herd immunity.
The Swiss study has in the meantime been confirmed by several more studies:
1. A Swedish study showed that people with mild or asymptomatic disease often neutralised the virus with T cells without the need to produce antibodies. Overall, T cell immunity was about twice as common as antibody immunity.
2. A large Spanish antibody study published in Lancet showed that less than 20% of symptomatic people and about 2% of asymptomatic people had IgG antibodies.
3. A German study (preprint) showed that 81% of the people who had not yet had contact with the new coronavirus already had cross-reactive T cells and thus a certain background immunity (due to contact with previous corona cold viruses).
4. A Chinese study in the Nature showed that in 40% of asymptomatic persons and in 12.9% of symptomatic persons no IgG antibodies are detectable after the recovery phase.
5. Another Chinese study with almost 25,000 clinic employees in Wuhan showed that at most one fifth of the presumably infected employees had IgG antibodies (press article).
6. A small French study (preprint) showed that six of eight infected family members of Covid patients developed a temporary T cell immunity without antibodies.
Video interview: Swedish Doctor: T cell immunity and the truth about COVID-19 in Sweden
In this context, a US study in Science Translational Medicine, using various indicators, concluded that the lethality of COVID-19 was much lower than originally assumed, but that its spread in some hotspots was up to 80 times faster than suspected, which would explain the rapid but short-duration increase in cases in some areas.
Driving Test Misery
A reader has got in touch to tell me about the purgatory her son is in, trying to reschedule his driving test. I confess, I wasn’t aware of this misfortune afflicting young people – yet another to add to the huge number.
Don’t know if you know about the impact Covid is having on driving tests. My son was due to take his practical driving test in April (third time lucky he hopes) but it was cancelled due to Covid. He was given a new date in July but this has also been cancelled. The Government has now announced that practical tests will resume on July 22nd and my son is apparently going to get an email on July 15th inviting him to book a test (no bookings are being taking via the website at the moment). The problem is that his theory test expires in September and despite my pleas to the DVSA and my local MP, the Government has not extended the validity of theory test certificates (though it extended MOTs). So if my son does not get a test before September, he will have to go right to the back of the queue.
That queue is going to be a very long one. Our driving instructor tells me there is currently a backlog of 650,000 people waiting to take their driving tests. So the chances of him passing his test this year are practically zero.
Yet more impact of the lockdown on young people. Especially for those without access to public transport like my son.
Total Number of Covid Deaths in English Hospitals Falls to One
Carl Heneghan, the Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford, tweeted that there were no Covid deaths reported in hospitals in England on July 10th, but perhaps the data source he was checking hadn’t been updated because the NHS England statistics site is now showing six. But for July 11th, the total was just one. Won’t be long now before we do have a day on which no Covid deaths occur in England’s hospitals. I predict it will happen some time in the next seven days.
Round-Up
And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:
- ‘Man plans to sue NHS after cancer surgery delayed due to coronavirus‘ – Article in the Observer about a former senior NHS official who is suing the NHS after his prostate cancer treatment was postponed and he had to have a biopsy and a prostatectomy done privately
- ‘French bus driver attacked over mask rules dies‘ – A French bus driver was attacked by passengers after asking them to wear masks which are compulsory on French public transport. He later died in hospital
- ‘Scots cancer deaths soar as 900 patients die at home during lockdown‘ – Horrifying story in the Daily Record. Expect more headlines like this in the weeks and months to come
- ‘Our fearful leaders are failing to stand up to the radical woke minority‘ – Good piece by Nick Timothy in the Telegraph
- ‘HOT SPOTS: Government lists 20 councils facing worst Covid outbreaks with lockdown fears over Bradford, Sheffield & Kirklees‘ – Alarming piece in the Sun about the areas being lined-up to be the next Leicesters
- ‘What it feels like to be CANCELLED‘ – Excellent round-up of the recently cancelled in the Mail on Sunday
- ‘Families sue Matt Hancock over coronavirus care home deaths‘ – The relatives of several care home residents who died from coronavirus are suing Health Secretary Matt Hancock
- ‘Fifth of vulnerable people considered self-harm in UK lockdown‘ – Guardian documents psychological toll taken by the lockdown on the UK’s most vulnerable
- ‘COVID-19 and Project Fear‘ – Free book to download by GMSeed
- ‘Mr Andrews, tear down this wall‘ – Incendiary piece in the Australian Spectator comparing the state of Victoria to East Germany, given how severe its lockdown restrictions are and the fact that people aren’t allowed in or out of the state
- ‘Government won’t reveal Leicester’s test and trace stats‘ – Interesting piece in the Leicester Mercury. Quelle surprise
- ‘Coronavirus: Could it be burning out after 20% of a population is infected?‘ – Good piece in the Conversation by a Professor of Genetics and a Professor of Epidemiology. This is the piece linked to in the Swiss Doctor’s latest update, but worth flagging again here
- ‘Just 12% of Britons want life to go back to “normal” after coronavirus‘ – Depressing survey result
- ‘BYE STREET: 250,000 High Street jobs could be axed as more Brits shop online during coronavirus crisis‘ – The Sun reports that pre-pandemic online sales accounted for 30 per cent of non-food sales, but that is likely to rise to 40 per cent, which means hundreds of thousands of job losses
- ‘Scientists from the Wuhan virus lab have “defected” to the West, reveals senior Trump ally Steve Bannon – as FBI gathers evidence that coronavirus pandemic was caused by an accidental leak‘ – Huge if true
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few weeks ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you. Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
Note to the Good Folk Below the Line
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And Finally…
My sources in Downing Street tell me the red crayon belongs to Boris, the green one to Dominic Cummings and the blue one to Matt Hancock.
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Since I cannot find the clip/quote this isn’t exact but I saw the police saying that they cannot hope to enforce mask wearing in shops and that it is up to shop keepers to impose conditions of entry.
Isn’t that discrimination based on a medical disability/condition? I’d wager the same goes for airlines etc? Surely this isn’t legal, it’s bad enough they are just going to rely on others to tut and snitch people into compliance but for the deaf, asthmatic, heart diseased etc how can this be justified, is it legal and where can I find a solicitor to print me the wording as such if so?
MrMasonMills is very active on Twitter at the moment. Promising answers. Could all be hyperbole and testing for reaction but intrigued nonetheless.
From my cousin in Melbourne:
“Apparently we are going into Stage 4 lockdown this week…
Only essential businesses open, no two members of a household allowed to leave the house at the same time, curfews etc.
Feels just like Orwell’s 1984!!
1 death in Vic. They were 90 odd. This is giving people the hurry along that was required.”
Skynews Kay Burley have put a figure to the second wave. “126,000 could die [in UK] by the time we get through to spring”.
it’s unbelievable that they get away with these lies.
“Could” …. but they won’t.
Up early this morning. Couldn’t sleep after OH came up to bed with the news about masks. I see this whole thing as a massive “arse covering “ exercise and believe me, there are a load of massive arses in this government. (My language has certainly deteriorated throughout this nonsense) The fact is that none of us on here will be required to wear a mask in shops. We are all on the exempt list in that it will cause us distress to put on and take off a mask. It’s a massive get-out clause. We need to be strong of course because the government are relying on “mask shaming” to make this work.
Look at quarantine. It was introduced on the 8th June and ended on the 10th July for a range of countries, so just over a month in total. Hardly time for it to have had any effect before the government did a U turn once they realised it was killing the tourist industry. I predict the same thing will happen with masks. It’s to encourage everyone to go back to work in places like London. In my own city, things are virtually back to normal, no… Read more »
My only hope is that this is a step too far and people will actually now protest against this. There seems to be a much larger proportion of the population who oppose this than there has been in other measures. The biggest fear is once in, the masks will stay for ever. Possibly not mandatory but a large chuck of people will continue to wear them.
Just to add to OKUK’s synopsis, I think all politics has died today, not just the Conservative Party.
I wouldn’t mind, but I had a blazing row with my OH and my mother yesterday about where this was leading (mum is 75 and was initially petrified but turned a corner a couple of weeks ago).
“It’s only for 20 minutes Howie whilst your in a shop. You can take it off again when you’re outside.”
“It is nothing to do with shopping, it’s about liberty, the removal of your rights. Do I need to point out that you have been shopping for nearly 4 months now without one? Are you effin blind as not one of you can see what is happening before you? For gawds sake, stop blindly accepting everything and start questioning, because none of you are stupid.”
I had to leave the room. Is it any wonder I still smoke?
Anyhow. Rant over. I’m off to bed. I cannot take any more of this today. Someone please wake me up in 12 months when this shitshow is finally over and the current crop of lunatics have been evicted from the house of morons?
If everyone that can see whats happening slept for the next 12 months I don’t think we could imagine what it would be like when we awake. Tyrants don’t evict themselves.
https://www.lockdowntruth.org/post/aaaaaggggghhhhh
Is this a mad thought or are Johnson and Cummings deliberately testing the water. See how embedded the fear factor is and shock us out of our stupor to return to normality? Oh, how I wish this were true but I’m really struggling to discern any rationale in the government’s behaviour over the past months, particularly in light of Gove’s comments on masks only yesterday! Was he really off message?
This would be a good time for Gove to resign, and leave Johnson to carry the can. Then Gove will have a decent chance to take over. Otherwise, he will be sunk too.
Raab should resign.
“Then Gove will have a decent chance to take over.”
One nightmare to follow another? Are we tat f…cked?
It’s a possibility. The apparent indecision over mask compulsion and other previous milestones seems like a technique of some sort.
I can’t believe it….
In December it was like a new dawn. Boris would deliver Brexit and maybe some other stuff but that wasn’t important. as long as he delivered Brexit he was a shoe in for a top spot in the UK PM hall of fame….
But he didn’t leave it there did he?
“Lidl say they will not enforce use of face masks or coverings in Scottish stores”
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/lidl-scotland-face-masks-coverings-18584765
My takeaway points from the last 24 historic hrs:
1. Boris Johnson is having some kind of mental health crisis.
2. The Conservative Party just died. Really.
3. We need a new party prepared to defend our free speech, our ancient liberties, our borders, our democracy, our culture and our borders.
Is this what the Tories mean by ‘Take back Control ‘. I feel like I’m living in a parallel universe.
It’s what they *always* meant. ‘Me’ control – not ‘You’ control.
Yes indeed.
They have joined Labour at the bottom of the dustbin, finally. You have to credit them – it took them 20 years longer than Labour but they got there eventually.
Can I just ask, the Tories did win the election didn’t they? As this is what I’d imagined life being like under Corbyn.
… which shows how the Big MSM Con works. Corbyn was never as dangerous as this lot.
Stop saying borders and I’ll be with you on all the rest.
Another possibility for upsetting the apple cart (take yhe piss approach):
Buy a keffiyah, wear it covering the mouth as if a Bedouin in a sandstorm – and wear dark glasses.
Here is an address to the nation from the newly appointed Prime Minister, Toby Young:
“99.99% of you have not died of Covid 19. So go out and enjoy yourselves. The Mask Madness is over. “
Votes are to politicians what notes are to bankers. We have to have a new party – a real party not a plaything of Nigel Farage – which we can vote for so as to punish the mainstream parties.
The last thing I heard from Farage he was peddling the same line as the main political parties on COVID-19.
Full respect to Farage for holding the Tories feet to the fire over Brexit. That was a one off. TBP is not a credible political party dealing with a wide range of issues.
With the BBC still controlling public opinion through a constant feed of poison, I don’t think such a party would get anywhere. Brexit was the one that got away – they won’t let that happen again.
And at this stage, I honestly think that such a party would be ‘turned’ after it got into power. No politician seems reliable these days.
We need to get organised now more than ever. I was saying this last week’s but we all need to get on https://lockdownsceptics.com then we can start planning what actions to take.
Only by taking mass group action can we do something about what is happening. Toby is too busy with all his commitments so let’s do this ourselvrs, at least the if we come together as a group we can make a start.
I shall do my bit to ease the unemployment situation by paying someone to do my shopping.
Am I right in thinking the Conservative and Unionist Party died peacefully in its sleep on 13th July 2020?
Yes. Although it had already been on its death bed for quite some time..
Indeed…and there was me thinking Dr Johnson might cure the patient. Silly me!
We all make mistakes.
Yes but it died with, rather than of, Covid. It had numerous co-morbidities.
Excellent pathology AWD!
No, any hope of maintaining unity, or of conserving any values, got pissed out of the windows on March 23rd. This masks crap is a mess, but the biggest crime they committed they committed months ago, and still aren’t on trial for (my vote is have Lord Sumption as the judge for said trial).
Died a long time before that, I think when Cameron was elected leader, possibly Hague.
The death occurred the day of the coronavirus act. We are now being consumed by the stench that follows.
Peter Hitchens might suggest 20 years prior to that, at least.
Holy crap i’m well pissed with this mask announcement – has Boris and his bullington club done anything right in this debacle? The comments in the telegraph seems there are a load of pissed off people. Perhaps we should go and have a protest since it seems to be the ‘in thing’ of every disenchanted sector of society!
i’m just going to get my arab scarf and wrap entirely round my head like lawrence of arabia and lift it up to drink my coffee – it’s a freckin joke this charade!
I’m going to tie mine like I’ve just rolled in from Raqqa. Remind people of the good old days when we had proper things to be scared of rather than a virus with a CFR of about 0.07%.
Terrorists weren’t a proper thing to fear either, just another piece of hype to use to eat away at our magna carta rights. If you want to look like something that our country had genuine reason to fear you’d have to look like a Soviet or a Nazi, both of which the lockdown zealots are copying very effectively from a behavioural perspective.
I’m sure that was a rhetorical question, but no, I don’t think that Boris has done anything right in this debacle – at least not since he substituted panic for what appeared to be an initially sensible response.
Apart from the fact that it’s a ludicrous decision, it’s a huge gift for Sturgeon. She has been rightly criticised for the care homes fiasco, and pretending that following Westminster policy with a 2 week delay was somehow different and better than what the rest of the UK was doing. Now it looks like the UK Government has endorsed her policy, and all her failings will be brushed under the carpet. Again.
Government sources said that ministers would monitor the situations and could introduce similar guidance [compulsion] for other settings in future.
What other settings can they possibly mean? Bars and restaurants would be impractical? Offices? Please god don’t tell me they mean outdoors?
And with virus prevalence so low when can we expect it to be removed? I’m thinking there will never be a low enough rate at which they can allow us to unmask because nobody can every die from a Covid.
Any number of people can die of cancer or strokes, if you’re a 32 year old wife and mother Bojo couldn’t care less if you die of breast cancer but rest assured, he will spend every penny and every ounce of political capital to ensure nobody age 90 ever dies WITH COVID-19.
“And with virus prevalence so low when can we expect it to be removed?”
My guess is that they will say “when we have a vaccine”.
Bill is working night and day on that.
I think I’m right in saying that the fastest vaccine was developed and properly tested and trialled in 6 years… *if* they can do it faster this time it begs the question as to why they did not for other illnesses… No vaccine rushed out in the next year will be safe – no way..
BG is funding 7 of the candidate vaccines apparently (see Alliance for Natural Health’s website where there is an excellent film)
You’re right, Ebola vaccine was 5.4 years.
It’s safety controls that they are eliminating to get this rolled out faster. This means that there will be high levels of deaths and disabilities from it.
Anyone with any sense should not touch it for at least a minimum of two years from being released if they are planning to have it.
BG said that we can expect 700,000 deaths from the vaccine itself – apparently he thinks that is ok…
He did say the figure 700,000 will die, you can see the BBC interview of him saying so. He didn’t say it was ok. He said governments will need to pass laws so that pharm companies cannot be sued for the harm they WILL do. Then he said that would be ok.
Pharma can’t be sued now for existing vaccines, look at the number of deaths the hpv vaccines has cause in children, it is way more than COVID-19. I believe thre is a payout of £120k though for death or disability from a vaccine, but no prosecution for malpractice can be brought.
..which is immoral..
True of the US, not in the EU, see the Sanofi case. Although having left the EU, no doubt American pharma will insist we adopt their policy as a condition of a trade deal.
If you voted for Brexit, you brought it on yourselves, see e.g:
Emory Law Journal
Liability for Vaccine Injury: The United States, the European Union, and the Developing World
Mary S. Holland ∗
“Introduction
The 2017 Thrower Symposium focused on how law addresses serious global public health challenges. One critical way the world community addresses disease is through vaccination. The World Health Organization (WHO) and other national health bodies strongly recommend vaccines in many circumstances. 1 Yet there is a scientific consensus that vaccines can and do cause harm and death in certain individuals, even when vaccines are properly manufactured and appropriately administered. So, who should bear this risk? Of course, the individual bears all the physical risk, both of protection from disease and potential adverse side effects. But what of the financial risk of potential vaccine harms? Who should pay—the manufacturer, the individual, the government, or some combination thereof?
This Article looks at current models for vaccine injury liability in the United States and the European Union, and also focuses on possibilities for the developing world in the future. In the United States, vaccine manufacturers have attained an extremely high level of liability protection through legislation and judicial interpretation.… Read more »
https://law.emory.edu/elj/content/volume-67/issue-3/articles/liability-vaccine-injury-united-european-world.html
If he thinks that the pharma companies should not be sued for the harms the vaccine *will* do, then he is clearly comfortable with that number of people either from, dying or being so harmed by the vaccine, that they would want to sue..
Correct Carrie
30 students month due from the HPV vaccine in the USA, but it’s seen as acceptable as they insist it saves thousands later it life which is unprovable.
Those laws already exist. Most major countries have laws providing for “vaccine courts” where people damaged by vaccines can receive compensation without anyone having to admit liability.
He was talking about places where they don’t exist. Specifically he said governments will be required to pass such laws in order to have pharm companies willing to produce short cut vaccines.
Seek out the BBC breakfast interview. 17 mins or so. Quite incredible, but the he does give millions to bbc through various methods.
He is funding an anti fake news show presented by angelina jollie angked at children. Can you imagine how wholesome that little lot will be?
He’s calculated that on vaccinating 7 billion people with a death rate of 0.01%.
Well that’s actually more than have allegedly died so far of COVID-19, so why would one take a vaccine that is more likely to kill you than the disease it protects against?
Shattock ‘prof’ Imperial college yesterday stated. Currently 15 people have trial vaccine in them. Slight glitch to testing in that there’s not enough covid in uk to test properly. So the trial will shift to africa or s america.. they not sure. 200 or 300 people, they not sure will get a trial vaccine. Odds on for being effective by early 2021. Then a good 6 months production.
How are other scientists not calling the timescales dangerous? Were are these people who ought to be adding rigour and safety by comment and discourse?
‘There’s not enough Covid i the UK to test properly’ – and yet we are all now to wear masks for a virus that there is no longer enough of here for them to be able to trial a vaccine – not even with the spike in Leicester???
Shattock Sophie Ridge Skynews yesterday. Thats what he said. There has been concern from ‘experts’ before now saying tgey ate in a tricky place where they really want the virus to stay around so the vaccine can be found.
Helps you to understand a main aim of GAVI – to ensure healthy markets for vaccines. Quite interesting to think about what a healthy market for a vaccine requires.
There’s no independent scientists anymore, the have all been brought, so no dissenting voices or they lose their jobs or funding.
The scientific community is a sad group of unprofessional cowards. It’s one of the great reveals of covid. No human spirit of enquiry, honesty and curiosity exists within the scientific profession. If you know a scientist consider tham a weak yes man/woman – their conduct falls short of their previous standing. Exceptions of course – but as I’ve said before the silence of all recent graduates alone is shocking, taught by intellectually decrepit useless minds. What it must be to sit on your hands to protrct yourself knowing what is wrong.
We have a reasonably safe inoculation – covid19 itself.
Yes that is what it is all about and it is transparently straight out of the Bill Gates playbook. We are living in very dangerous times.
…which will inevitably lead to the vaccine being mandatory..
I’m not so sure. Another strand of government propaganda relayed to us via the BBC and Guardian today is all about how immunity doesn’t last and the vaccine cannot be 100% effective. By the logic of masks being “extra insurance” against Covid “coming back” and there being no such thing as herd immunity (even with a vaccine), I think masks are here to stay. Forever.
Can we expect our massive CCTV network to be materially reduced in size by the wearing of facemasks? Surely not much point in filming people whose face the camera won’t be able to see!
The Chinese developed Facial recognition technology that works even with people wearing face mask during the HK protests. No doubt they are going to be getting a lot of order for their new systems.
Hancock and others are already talking about flu vaccines for all this winter and how they have to do something about the anti-vaxxers..
The annual mandatory covid vaccine wont be enough on its own we will need face masks everywhere too make be sure.
The risk assessment done to ensure the law is safe and not harmful might make interesting reading.
There is no rule of law anymore. None.
Mason Mills hinted it would include outdoors… but I’m thinking they will likely make it mandatory in offices, theatres, cinemas etc first – in fact everywhere apart from your own home.
Would they make it mandatory in schools though?
Schools would be interesting because children are exempt, but they won’t exempt the staff given that adults will be masked everywhere else – and masks for teachers would be ridiculous as well as deeply unsettling for the children.
It’s insane. My daughter in law has to wear one all day at work and it’s made her light headed. Another friend who wears one for work has broken out in acne at the age of 50. If they introduce it in offices people will be even more inclined to continue working from home.
According to UK column that’s what they want – no one travelling (even to work) any more..
so ol bojo want’s people to go to offices – wearing a mask all day it just isn’t going to happen. At my office which i haven’t gone into yet, masks have to be worn in the corridors but not while sitting at desk. I guess it’s something but all day – forget it they may as well shut the place down as no-one will go in.
The reality is he has been helping those aged 90 to die with covid-19 too.
And now for the bright side! As Scotland had found, the mask law is unworkable very much worth reading if you are pissed off by the news tonight.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/crime/police-scotland-no-fines-handed-out-those-not-wearing-face-coverings-shops-2912231
That’s all very well, but shopping sans mask will not be a pleasant experience with masked ghouls everywhere and I’m sure there will be plenty of masked fascists demanding that shop staff remove transgressors.
I’m still planning to avoid them altogether.
The obvious thing to do here is vote with your feet. If they are mandating this, then don’t go the shops, a few weeks of this and there will be so much uproar from retail that something will have to be done.
That’s it. I know which shops I will and won’t use. All of it is sad. The whole thing. But you have to keep functioning and doing what you can to raise issues and increase thought.
They’ve already shown they do not care one jot for the economy. Can’t see a bunch of grocers changing anything.
It’s not grocers though, they’ve basically f*cked all small businesses already. It’s the high street stores like Primark, the big shoppjng centers like Intu, if they have no footfall then that soon causes economic damaged and we may finally start to hear the voice of big business that has been silent throughout the lockdown.
The thought of people turning to amazon now is too much. Shop local even if online! Easier said than done I realise.
F*CK Amazon they are all too happy with this lockdown, that’s why they don’t support us, all the while having banners on their site promoting a Marxist terrorist group.
Saw this just now on Twitter:
Open Letter to UK Retailers:
‘Much though I’d like to support you, if you make facemasks compulsory in your shops I will not come in nor spend any money with you.
If that means you go broke you know who to blame.
I will NOT be demeaned and treated as a Biohazard’
That’s is exactly what we need to be doing.
Its a horrible horrible thing. The shaming atmosphere. But its very much to keep in mind that there is something to be done. You are not going to be fined, you can choose not to wear and if enough people do likewise who knows.
I won’t forget my days in this hell. But i am also positive that once people reach a critical mass of rejection, however that comes, we can get back some of our taken life.
It’s important to stay positive as much as possible.
Not always easy, but I am getting used to having this shit thrown at me.
It’s a blow, but I’m not letting it get to me tonight.
You got it.
Not some, all. Fuck ’em.
Agree with all and fuck em. I think some to begin with then the rest will come.
We need to hit them where it hurts. They’ve been completely silent throughout lockdown and happy to sacrifice the freedoms of the public, yet they can’t stop virtue signalling for BLM. Buy only the essentials and starve the rest of these companies of your business. They’ll soon get the message.
I’m Horrified but I’m convinced that it’s nothing to do with health but because of pressure put on the government.
I can’t work out exactly what.
We must counteract this pressure and show that the lockdown facemasks compulsion will not work and will give the government trouble.
Local Conservative associations are one form of pressure, I agree. Boris could hemorrhage his supporters over this and pandering to the socialists won’t gain him any of their votes.
Any suggestions of other means of putting pressure on the government to relax this senseless rule ASAP much appreciated
I genuinely think that all this qualifies as torture. This continued physcological attacking – endless nature of restricted freedoms – coercion through guilt of causing harm to others – it’s torture. Literally, definably, actually torture.
Without question.
yep
It’s not so different from what the Chinese Communists are doing to the Uighurs – and the former know a thing or two about torture.
And we have the British military engaged in physiological warfare and torture against a civilian population.
Yes we do. And other top brass have been meek not to call that out. They knowingly stand by and watch their own country be attacked by an apperatus set up with our own funds. You coukd argue it is our fault for allowing such an apperatus to be set up to begin with – without journslists worth their salt who knew?
Arned forces top brass and retired high up I thought they had more fibre about them – medals made from canons of balaclave as crap – the threat is here it is now it is from within and they are on gardening leave playing golf.
Join me on this
Vote with your feet, do not visit any unessential shops. A few weeks of this and the retail market will really feel the hit, GDP and Growth will suffer, Councils will lose revenue, business will start to complain and the government will have to act.
I’m not sure we need any kind of boycott. I believe the sight of everyone in masks will lead to an immediate dip in economic activity.
A boycott gets us there faster.
Back when it all started, when sensible heads still ruled in early march, you saw someone in a mask and, utterly irrationally, stayed further away from them than others. Masks may not be effective at stopping viral transmission, but they don’t have a negative effectiveness either, they can’t make it more likely. They make it almost exactly equally as likely as without a mask. Unlike today, mask wearers then did it because they genuinely (inaccuractely perhaps) thought it would stop or slow the spread, not because, as the morons today do, they wished to virtue signal. And yet, for some perverse and stupid psychological reasons, one tended to avoid mask wearers. There is something creepy about the masks, not creepy in any rational sense, just something that plays on the primitive parts of the mind. Masks scare people away, against their better judgements. Mandatory masking, what a way to terrify the sheep back indoors again, just when this moron government are trying to overcome the psychotic fears they’ve spent months stoking with propaganda. And what a way to send the economy back on the road to titsup.
I think we need to at least try and continue without masks if all us sceptics just stop using these shops then there will only be masked sheep. The sheep need to follow if all they have to follow is masked sheep they will stay masked.
We can’t get near Downing St, but we can get at the local Conservative offices and agents. Bigly.
Grassroots won’t achieve anything. Boris et al aren’t worried about being deselected.They have got involve with “bigger boys” and they’re crapping themselves.
‘Crapping themselves’?? No, on the contrary I think they are laughing at what they have ‘achieved’ in the last few months…
No. Look at their faces. It’s like a film where the “hero’s” family is being held by a psychopathic killer and they aren’t allowed to call the fuzz.
They are NOT calling the shots
Then seriously, who is?
They are not but they are still responsible for their actions.
UKColumn talk about the Occupying Government. Could be the Davos gang. Or little green aliens.
Green aliens – nah… Davos gang – well maybe, but don’t a bunch of them go to that jamboree themselves? Are those the only 2 options UK column are suggesting?
3 options. The ‘Government of Occupation’ was their’s.
(The other two were mine – slightly disappointed you feel our new alien overlords can be so easily dismissed. But I won’t grass you up to them. 🙂 ).
Well Hancock always looks like he’s enjoying himself..
You can’t look at their faces anymore they’re behind masks now. The best thing ever for politicians.
A few days ago people were gnerally a bit sceptical about my appeal to Toby to found a new Free Citizens Party. I think now it is much clearer what is at stake.,We need a party to fight for free speech, for our ancient liberties, for democracy, for our culture, for our borders and for our prosperity.
I think it’s the end of political parties, you only need the one now which we’ve got in this new totalitarian society.
From the 5th June GOOD Morning Britain’s Dr Hilary Jones has today blasted the government after it announced face masks would be mandatory for everyone using public transport from June 15.
Dr Hilary said the coverings should be made compulsory now if the country is to stop a second wave of the coronavirus. Don’t forget the second wave!!!!
And he is still saying exactly the same thing this morning. Second Wave going to cause up to 120000 deaths ..
I see project fear has ramped up
Jones is an awful specimen.
I see an opportunity.
Mask + marker = message e.g ‘BORIS MASK – TOTALLY USELESS’
Think up your own and sing ‘Alice’s Restaurant’ . Loudly
My grandfather fought in the first war, my father in the second. Am I man enough to fight in the current war?
Yes. Whatever you do, don’t wear a mask!
Yes you are.
As am I.
Do your bit. The equivalent of not being a “collaborator”. Anything you do on the right side is enough.
It was one type of bravery to put your life on the line when your family, your religious leaders, the newspaper you read and your politicians were all telling you it was the right thing to do. This is more like being a conscientious objector: a totally different sort of bravery.
So this is such a deadly virus that I have to wear a mask to buy weetabix?
But yet it wasn’t virulent enough to hinder Boris, Cummings, Hancock or Whitty?
None of whom tbh look exactly like specimens such as Charlton Heston in the Omega Man.
Please see my post from earlier, we are doing all this when there has only been 4,200 deaths from COVID-19 in people with no pre-existing conditions, and only 1,901 under the age of 80.
Not sure it is even that many… or are you quoting the whole of the UK as opposed to the ONS figures, which I think might just be for England and Wales?
That’s England and Wales, also no autopsies taking place so going to be a significant amount of unknown pre-existing conditions in that 4,200.