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Chris Whitty Warns of Summer AND Winter Waves as Neil Ferguson Raises Prospect of New Lockdowns – But Data Show the Third Ripple is Already Peaking

by Will Jones
18 June 2021 1:19 AM

The doom-mongers of SAGE were out in force again yesterday, building on their recent victory in Downing Street to keep stoking the fear. The Independent brings us the latest wisdom from Imperial College’s Professor Neil Ferguson.

The third wave of COVID-19 cases in the UK has already began, according to Government advisers – who said it was possible strict lockdown curbs would have to reintroduced at some point this year.

It comes as a new study commissioned by the Government found Covid infections have increased 50% since the start of May – as the country struggles to combat the rise of the highly-transmissible Delta variant first detected in India.

“We’re at the beginning of [the third wave] now,” said Professor Neil Ferguson, the Imperial epidemiologist dubbed “Professor Lockdown” by the tabloid press.

Ferguson told a media briefing that his latest modelling predicts between 100 and 1,200 deaths a day at the peak of the summer “third wave”, before raising the possibility that restrictions may need to be introduced.

I’m very much hoping we won’t need to reverse course [on the easing of restrictions] – and I suspect we won’t. We will inevitably see cases and hospitalisations rise. But the key is [how] manageable the level is.

Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty gave a similar warning.

Speaking to the NHS Confederation, the Chief Medical Officer for England said that the current upsurge in cases of the Delta variant first identified in India will “definitely” translate into further hospitalisations and deaths.

And he added: “My expectation is that we will get a further winter surge – late autumn-winter surge.

“And that’s because we know that winter and autumn favour respiratory viruses, and therefore it would be very surprising if this particularly highly transmissible virus was not also favoured. So we’ll get the current wave – an exit wave – then I do think most people think that there will be further problems over the winter.

“How big they will be I think is uncertain. That partly depends on [whether] we get any variants that can evade vaccines better, and on how the current wave passes through the UK. …

“We have to just be aware that Covid has not thrown its last surprise at us.”

SAGE’s latest official advice to the Government has been published, projecting a “summer wave” that is comparable to the spring 2020 wave. It writes: “Under most scenarios, this summer wave would be smaller than the January 2021 wave, in terms of hospitalisations and deaths, but comparable to the April or October 2020 waves.” (SAGE here seems to be unaware that it was only testing that made the January surge seem larger than the spring.)

The latest data from Imperial’s REACT study, covering the period May 20th to June 7th, was also published yesterday, showing infections are “rising exponentially” and “doubling every 11 days“.

These alarmist projections are faltering already, however. The more up-to-date data from the ZOE Covid Study App shows the ripple is already flattening, as Sarah Knapton reports in the Telegraph.

The recent Covid spike is already beginning to flatten, latest data show, as experts said Britain was experiencing a “mini wave” which was likely to peak within two weeks.

Latest data from the King’s College ZOE symptom tracker app, which monitors community prevalence, show cases in unvaccinated people rose by just 28% up to June 12th, compared to 114% the previous week.

Professor Tim Spector, lead scientist on the app and Professor of Genetic Epidemiology at King’s College, said it looked as if cases would peak within a fortnight.

The good news is that this isn’t going up as fast as it was. This has been a much better week than it was last week. I think we can start to see an end to this little mini wave in the young and the extra time we’ve got should be able to squash this from getting out of control.

Rates in the North West of the country and Scotland are still going up but you can definitely see signs they are starting to level off. Rates in London look like they are starting to slow down.

If we look at the way past waves have come and gone I would be predicting that this should be peaking around 10 to 14 days time and then start to fall, so by four weeks we are at a much lower level than we are now, and much more manageable.

I think this suggests that this should be the end of this summer wave, it doesn’t mean there won’t be other waves outbreaks.

Positive tests in Blackburn – a Delta variant hotspot – have also begun to decline.

Here are some charts from the latest ZOE report showing the slowing rate of increase.

The difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated infection rates here is striking. However, caution is needed in assuming it is all a result of the vaccines working as it is mostly older people who are vaccinated and older people have experienced a lower infection rate throughout the pandemic. Here’s the latest ZOE breakdown by age, with a clear dominance of the 20-29 age group.

Here’s the age breakdown for the winter surge.

And here’s autumn.

The patterns are very similar in each, with the over 60s consistently low and the 20-40s consistently higher. It’s therefore hard to tell without more detailed breakdown within age groups how much of the current difference is down to vaccines. I’ve contacted ZOE to see if they can provide more detail on this and will report anything I receive.

Last week the models of doom were wheeled out to predict imminent catastrophe, with even a four-week delay to reopening said to do little to mitigate it. Well, now it looks like all these forecasts are once again wrong. In these circumstances, how long can SAGE’s reign of error continue? How long will Boris continue to be taken in by these latter-day Rasputins?

The discontent within the ranks of Tory MPs is reportedly considerable – far bigger than Wednesday’s Commons rebellion of 49 MPs might have you believe. In the Spectator, Katy Balls writes that the anger over this latest SAGE coup extends beyond the “usual suspects” to include senior Government ministers, one of whom told her that “few” members of the Government actually support a delay but consider that it’s “not up to” them.

Ever since the first lockdown, there has been grumbling from Tory backbenchers, often to little avail. The frequency with which members of the party’s Covid Recovery Group object means that their complaints are not taken particularly seriously. This time, however, the Whips have been struck by how many party loyalists and members on the payroll have been in touch to let their unhappiness be known. “Everyone is seething,” says one member of the 2019 intake. “It’s not just the usual suspects this time.”

While cabinet collective responsibility is broadly holding, there are hints of slippage. “I don’t support a delay. Few of us do,” says a senior minister. “But it’s not up to me.”

The worry is that once the end of lockdown has been delayed, it is easier to do it again. The SAGE documents suggest that in a few weeks’ time the number of hospitalisations will be nearing its peak. “If the number of cases and hospitalisations are worse, does Boris really have the nerve to unlock then?” asks one Tory MP.

But if the prophesied deluge turns out to be a mere ripple – as increasingly looks to be the case – what then? Will the Government finally, under pressure from its MPs, kick its bad habit of listening only to a very select group of scientific advisers, all of whom are heavily invested in a particular narrative? We can but hope.

Stop Press: The Daily Mail wonders: Could we be free on July 5th?

Tags: Chris WhittyModellingNeil FergusonThird waveZOE Covid Study App

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago

Someone please tell that Extinction Rebellion abseiler that his/her rope is made from oil.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Spoilsport. Good morning, MAk (though it might not quite be morning, where you are).

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Only just. Good morning! Where’s Huxley?

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

He may be getting coffee?

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Alcohol actually.

Cheers chaps. 🙃

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Or cracking a bottle of Nigerian Guinness.

Cheers Alto.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I see the Guinness is kicking in – Alto it is! That’s even better than GregoryNo6’s Alt.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Apologies AE. Well that Nigerian Guiness at 7.2% after 7 pints of bitter saw me off.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Marcus, I cannot explain how much that has chuffed me up.

Truly, many thanks 😊.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Their hypocrisy is irrelevant, it is their nihilism, openly declared, that is important.

They openly advocate genocide.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
  • “Germany is letting Europe down” – Berlin is already moving to dilute EU sanctions, writes Peter Franklin in UnHerd.

US neocons and their Euro/UK assets and dupes: “we must fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian, and we must sanction the Russians to the last Euro.”

In response:

Ukrainian regime: “Kill the Russian untermenschen”

European regimes: “Yes! Our own peoples’ welfare counts for nothing next to pleasing our neocon overlords!”

Russians: [Shrugging, turning away] “OK, who’s up for some decent, civilised trade and relations?”

China, India, Pakistan, BRICS and most of the world: [Hands shoot up]

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Comical to see Franklin naively assuming that the current neocon warmonger domination of our media and politics will survive the coming economic crunch.

Here’s one view of what the situation is now as a result of the preexisting accumulation of debt and inflationary pressures from years of maladministration followed by covid insanity: basically the US Fed faces a choice between hiking interest rates and crashing the stockmarket (and economy), or not doing so and letting inflation rip, crashing society.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/david-stockman-coming-stock-market-crash-biblical-proportions

Now consider the potential consequences of the attempt to use dollar dominance as a weapon to achieve regime change in Russia, coming on top of that situation:

:”De-dollarization means inflation

Between sharply falling imports into Russia, inability of foreign entities (or their subsidiaries) with Russian operations or investments to sell Russian assets or to repatriate Russian revenue or dividends, inability of rich Russians to get their money out, and severely reduced travel by Russians abroad, per Russian analysts the local demand for dollars and euros has been reduced by at least (in dollar terms) $250 billion annualized.  

A potentially equal effect is in the works with the de-dollarization of trade between China/India and Russia (which has already happened or is now happening with respect to oil and other commodities), and as regards Saudi Arabian oil sales to China as well as other commodities exporters and China.   

That is, I assume there’s more we’re not seeing. China has observed what happened to Russia, sees that “it’s next”, and is likely moving to pay its African friends in its own currency for their exports. Might as well get them used to it now, before the hammer comes down! 

When demand for dollars is reduced overseas, the sequestration effect whereby our credit expansion (in terms of deficit spending and low rates) does not lead to domestic price inflation as the money finds itself “locked up” overseas, is thrown into reverse.  

It’s not just about the raw sums I’ve mentioned above, it’s also that the 50-year-old sequestration process simply doesn’t—and won’t—work anymore, and the trend is in the wrong direction for the U.S. and Europe.  

This is hugely inflationary, and if I see it, the U.S. Federal Reserve also sees it, and thus, part of the reason they’re panicking and they want to raise rates sharply (which will kill off everything), is the war in the Ukraine, and how the U.S. and Europe have responded to it.

Yes, you read me correctly. Our mortgage rates, car loan rates, etc. will go up—and bring down the roof, until or unless the Fed walks it back—in part because of how “they” froze Russia’s dollar and euro assets, and tried to lock it out of global finance. 

And if the Fed walks it back, we’ll have much more price inflation, and over a longer period—years and years. 

There is no way out.  ”

https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/04/08/the-real-and-the-fake-part-2/

And with that, we are already pressuring Germany to make large parts of its industry uncompetitive by hiking energy costs and/or cutting fuel, and at the same time to build a huge military.

Not sure if the vibe is more 1920s or 1930s. With nuclear weapons.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Not sure if the vibe is more 1920s or 1930s. With nuclear weapons.

1929-33.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Here’s the first domino that might fall (and we’ve hardly seen the consequences of sanctions yet):

Mahyar Tousi
@MahyarTousi

Latest DataPraxis French election poll:

Le Pen supported by most young and middle aged voters

18-24: Macron 44%, Le Pen 56%
25-34: Macron 47%, Le Pen 53%
35-44: Macron 47%, Le Pen 53%
45-54: Macron 49%, Le Pen 51%

https://twitter.com/MahyarTousi/status/1512512920613265408

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Reportedly a large majority of those aged 65+ are intending to vote Macron though. The question is why. It doesn’t sound at all like the right-wing Daily Mail, Daily Express, or Torygraph-reading nasty, spiteful, “dog in the manger” British thing of “I’m all right, Jack, in my house worth such-and-such a figure, and the young’uns don’t know how easy they have it nowadays”. Most who think that way wouldn’t be keen on Macron, surely. They’d prefer Le Pen or Zemmour. It sounds more like “Thanks, Macron, for keeping us alive, you lovely man – we are so grateful.”

Generally I have respect for older people but sometimes the old saying holds: “There’s no fool like an old fool”.

My hunch is that the middle of the period between the two rounds in France will be a time of great shock.

There is big-time momentum towards Le Pen. In 2017 she played on the sea and the waves and maritime imagery. Subliminally that connects with Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer and the myth of France. This time she is going all out with love, playing on the way that her initial “M” sounds like “Aime”, as in “J’aime” (I love). One of her campaign slogans is “M La France”. Her campaign website is at mlafrance.fr. Once again it’s “elemental”, but this time it’s simpler and it will take her further. There’s also ammo for firing at Macron that hasn’t even been used yet, and she is getting more help from the media than she was last time… so the conclusion is that he seems to be in trouble.

Le Pen hasn’t used the “Virgo” sign yet, but her campaign has directed a lot of attention at winning votes from women – far more than say Hillary Clinton’s did.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

I think the older French voters are probably more likely to be influenced by her father’s image and less by her own re-imaging.

The Empire of Lies (TM) has plenty of shots in its locker yet, I suspect.

But if Macron does manage to weasel his way back into office, it will have been fortunate timing, I think, for him. Another six months and incumbents all over Europe are likely going to be very unpopular.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

So she’ll get through to the second round on April 24. Things could be very interesting by then.

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Phil Shannon
Phil Shannon
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Very interesting, indeed. An April poll just out shows Le Pen edging Macron in a run-off, 50.5% to 49.5%

https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/the-smell-of-cheese?s=r

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Does look that way:

French presidential election: Polls show Le Pen closing on Macron as election begins on Sunday
On the last day of campaigning before voters go to the ballot boxes, a poll had Marine Le Pen just two points behind Emmanuel Macron.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I watched the last presidential debates and thought that Le Pen was doing well, until she made a personal attack on Macron implying corruption.

She immediately realised her mistake, and I suspect will not make that kind of an error again. Le Pen is not stupid and she is not her father.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Manny said he wanted to ‘piss off’ the unvaccinated. Surely it’s time they, and the belatedly awake vaccinated, did the proper thing and returned the compliment.

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Phil Shannon
Phil Shannon
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

In the early days of the scamdemic, political incumbency was an electoral asset (‘see how we’ve saved you all, now vote for us!’) but after two years of harsh restrictions and mandates, incumbency is an electoral liability.

Macron toppled Le Pen 66% to 34% back in 2017, now it’s too close to call. In Oz, Morrison’s federal government is down at least 10 percentage points just a month or two out from the election whilst, in my humble state of South Australia, the Marshall Liberal government was unceremoniously dumped just recently with a 7.6% swing.

The really pee’d off whose businesses, jobs and livelihoods have been ruined, or who have been jabbed against their will, are prepared to vote for whoever is not the incumbent even if their political labelling is one that the voters may well have instinctively eschewed previously..

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

Saviours, sooner or later, have to deliver.

And even if people don’t see through lying bullshit, they eventually get tired of the smell.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

If the federal election delivers a parliament that is fractured left and right, to all four points of the compass, I’ll be happy. Any result that renders both Lib and Lab impotent is fine by me.
Bring on the FFMPs!

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

For those US commentators who hailed Biden as “the adult in the room”: China, India, Pakistan, Brazil, South Africa (and most of the world) are the adults. Germany might be classified as a reluctant adolescent (in this situation).

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Alt, please PLEASE tell me you are employing hyperbole.
I can’t believe that even Dr Jill would describe Foggy Groper as ‘the adult in the room’. Not even if he was alone in the room. And calling for toilet paper.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

No need for hyperbole. One pre-election Op-Ed in the Scientific American called Biden “our blessed hope”. Seriously.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

Tucker Carlson showed a succession of people describing Biden thus, obviously to script. I watched it twice to be sure that I wasn’t hallucinating.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Congratulations on attributing imaginary views to Russia, especially to their socialist dictator Putin.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

“their socialist dictator Putin“

You really are fixated on this nonsense. As I’ve pointed out to you several times now, Putin is far less of a “socialist” than either Johnson or Biden.

Don’t just sling empty, inaccurate terms of abuse around, like a student leftist calling anyone to the right of Jeremy Corbyn a “fascist”. Find honest and meaningful criticisms to use.

Here’s some homework reading for you:

Russia as an international conservative power: the rise of the right-wing populists and their affinity towards Russia
Russian Conservatism: Managing Change under Permanent Revolution

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

It wasn’t me.

Three of my top posters go 1. 2. 3.

Well done all 😀👍

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Dale
Dale
3 years ago

Kudos to Germany for: (A) watering down EU sanctions and (B) voting down jab mandates.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

“Germany is letting Europe down” – Berlin is already moving to dilute EU sanctions, writes Peter Franklin in UnHerd.

I admit I’m not paying much attention to the rampant propaganda about this war, but one thing I have noticed is the insatiable desire to utterly cripple the Russian economy. Sanctions cause mass starvation and kill countless people. They cause genocide which history tries to erase.

I’ve also noticed a blackout of reporting on the effects of the sanctions on the people of Russia, instead just hourly mockery and hatred poured on Putin while the poof on the other side is lavished with faux love and admiration.

If Germany are pulling back from these sanctions – for whatever reason – it can only be a good thing and I hope others follow.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I don’t think the sanctions have bitten much on most ordinary Russians yet – mostly on the oligarchs, which gave Putin the opportunity to finally tell them to “f*** off and go live with their mansions” (or words to that effect).

But I think they have (along with the wave of anti-Russian hatred and propaganda, and the Ukrainian atrocities that those sticking to US sphere media are mostly shielded from but the Russians and neutrals are very aware of) caused the Russians to turn emphatically away from the US sphere and Europe, rally behind the war, and behind Putin.

Glenn Diesen (Professor, University of South-Eastern Norway):

“We keep going back to this assumption that Russia somehow just wants to learn to live with these sanctions until they are let back into Europe, but this greater Eurasian partnership that they keep talking about, this is not just some temporary issue to get around the sanctions. For many in Russia they see this as being a correction to a 300 year long mistake, which has been since Peter the Great, this western-centric foreign policy. That they always had to look towards the West for modernisation, but now they have the rise of the East, for the first time in a century, and they don’t have to rely so much on the West any more, so I think the economic consequences will be immense”

“We” seem to have finally resolved this longstanding debate in Russian society.

In the future, as the US sphere’s confrontation with its real rival, China, becomes ever more vital, people will write international relations articles asking: “Who lost Russia?” And the answer is: the neocons, NATO warmongers and anti-Russian fanatics, and all their dupes, who thought the only way to win Russia over was to crush them into submission.

In previous wars that we have been manipulated into by the US sphere neocons et al, the price has mostly been paid by foreigners in far off countries (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan etc). This time, the price for letting these scum manipulate our governments and our opinions will be greater than ever and born much closer to home.

Negotiations in Turkey, more fog of war (with Glenn Diesen)

And, by the way, those who have bought into the systematic “Putin Dr Evil” brainwashing should bear in mind the other points made about him, that he is a moderate in Russian politics, not a hardliner, and that he was originally sympathetic to the pro-West camp, before years of having to deal with US aggression and dishonesty made him turn away.

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Amtrup
Amtrup
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Thank you for all of your excellent posts, links, analysis, quotes, etc on this topic. Hugely appreciated.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Amtrup

Cheers, Amtrup, you’re very welcome.

Just as in the early days of the covid hysteria, or the BLM hysteria, there are relatively few of us who see through it and fewer who are willing to speak out.

But the truth does have advantages in the longer run.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Invaluable posts, Mark. I’m very grateful.

I watched the events of 2013-14 with horror, and wondered what madness would result. It’s been compounded by the general insanity and the abysmal quality of so much western “leadership”.

Finding your way through that quagmire is no easy task!

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Very welcome, AE, I’ve found your posts very interesting as well..

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SallyM
SallyM
3 years ago
Reply to  Amtrup

I second this – massively appreciated.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  SallyM

Cheers, SallyM. Likewise, welcome.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Russia is very good at inflicting starvation and genocide

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

I’m sure you’ll be delighted to know that in your support of the Ukrainian nazis you’re standing side by side with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad:

“Ahmadinejad’s views obtained some currency in some circles but are regarded as fringe by a great majority of the public here. I think it would be useful to translate at least parts of his statements in order to have a more well-rounded understanding of various perspectives inside Iran.

In a videotaped statement he released about the events (see here), he declared (I transcribe and translate):

“Without a doubt, the attack and aggression by Russia against Ukraine is a critical event and an introduction to many more critical events that follow. Here, for the nth time and very frankly, I must severely condemn the attack and aggression of Russia against Ukraine. Before, I spoke about the plot to change the political map of the world by [the US] America, Russia, and China. These three countries, in a coordinated fashion, have devised a plan to secure their power and control over the world once again. That is, with this enormous wave of humans, of human awakening that has begun, they have become frightened. They say, very soon, this wave would surpass the world. They sat and made a decision that one would take Ukraine, the other one would take Taiwan, and this one would come for Iran. That means, they would remove their gravest worries and, at the same time, they dominate.

Now, if, in our mind, we review the world, if this happens, then there is no place for anyone to say anything. Today, and fortunately, the epic presence and the heroic resistance by the Ukrainian people have introduced serious obstacles in execution and completion of that plot. They hit a bump.”

I do not intent to translate the entire 13-minute statement. In the last couple of minutes of his script-reading speech, he finishes with the following pronouncements:

The Iranian nation holds in high esteem their [the Ukrainian people’s] participation and epic resistance and prays for their victory against the aggressors. The Iranian nation asks God to prevent the expansionist gluts from continuing and to end the war, and to make possible the sweet flow of life among all people, including two great people of Ukraine and Russia. At the end, once again, I hold in high regard the resistance of the nation of Ukraine, President Zelensky, and other officials in Ukraine. And I send to them the friendship and prayer of the Iranian nation.”

http://thesaker.is/deconstructing-the-islamic-republic-of-irans-position-regarding-russia-ukraine-crisis/

You must be so proud!

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Star
Star
3 years ago

Reading that UnHerd piece on Shanghai, I can easily imagine feeling a need in the near future to scrawl “DON’T GET TESTED” on walls.

Certainly don’t get tested if you “feel a bit unwell” or you have a cold or even flu. Don’t even consider it.

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CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
3 years ago

The latest stage of the criminal saga of extending the scope of water fluoridation has arrived.

Plainly HMG regards the population as a toxic, undifferentiated biomass to be involuntarily and needlessly medicated to no safe or meaningful effect, all the while having the taxpayer purse filched presumably to the benefit of some component of the private sector.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/water-fluoridation-seeking-views-on-future-consultation-process

The Health and Care Bill, https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3022 currently going through parliament sets out some changes to the water fluoridation legislation in England. If it becomes law, the Bill will allow the Secretary of State, instead of local authorities, to establish new water fluoridation schemes, or to vary or terminate existing water fluoridation schemes in England.

In the event that the Bill is passed, there will be a legal duty on the Secretary of State to undertake a formal public consultation before introducing any new water fluoridation schemes or before varying or terminating an existing scheme. Secondary legislation will need to set out the process for consulting and the results from this consultation will inform that secondary legislation.

The easiest way to participate in this consultation is by completing the online survey.https://consultations.dhsc.gov.uk/624ab9aacfec175b10628637

For earlier coverage see
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/04/01/how-the-medical-establishment-covers-up-the-harms-of-adding-fluoride-to-drinking-water/

My earlier comments containing links etc:

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/03/10/news-round-up-365/#comment-751510
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/03/10/news-round-up-365/#comment-764708
– in the latter I set out my MP’s reply as follows:

“While I note your concerns about fluoride in your water supply, fluoridation programmes in our country are common practice, and have been in place for nearly 60 years. I am aware that currently, around 5.8 million people in England already consume fluoridated water. I would like to reassure you that there have been no cases of water fluoridation causing any ill effects.

I understand that a report from Public Health England (now the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities) on improving oral health, published in 2020, found that water fluoridation significantly reduces tooth decay, especially in children. It found that, in deprived areas where water fluoridation occurs, there were 55 per cent fewer hospital admissions for tooth decay among children aged one to four.

This scheme is effective and safe and I am reassured that there is no evidence of health harms from the levels of fluoride used in English schemes, nor the slightly higher levels allowed naturally. Further, the Government is required to monitor the effects of water fluoridation and produce reports on this every four-years, which I hope you find reassuring. The last report was published in 2018 which means that there will be a new report, which is due to be published in 2022.

While this is a government-supported programme, local authorities are responsible for any consultations on fluoridation schemes. You will be encouraged to know that ministers have published a toolkit for local authorities to aid them in carrying out these consultations. However, it is worth noting that the new Health and Care Bill proposes to return responsibility for the fluoridation of water in England from local authorities to central government, making it easier to expand water fluoridation schemes so that more of the population can benefit from it.”

I don’t care what PHE’s opinion in the matter might happen to be, because if I have learned anything over the last two years, it is that HMG has shown itself able and willing to deceive the population in a most grievous and unjustifiable manner.

The following, also posted previously, contains interesting remarks on earlier statistical ‘justification’ for mass medicating the population for the dubious benefit of a tiny minority without regard to pollution of the environment and risk of injurious “side effects”:

https://www.checktheevidence.com/wordpress/2021/10/11/the-case-against-water-fluoridation/

Presentation to Wakefield Council’s Overview and Scrutiny Committee: The Case against Water Fluoridation. January 2016Author: Joy Warren, BSc. (Hons) Env. Sci., Coordinator, UK Alliance Opposed to Water Fluoridation

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M
M
3 years ago

Thailand pays out B1.7bn for adverse jab effects.
Some 9,938 people have each received up to 100,000 baht for milder reactions, while 426 got 100,000 to 240,000 baht each for more permanent conditions that could have been caused by the vaccine, such as losing functions of their limbs or becoming temporarily disabled.

Compensation up to 400,000 baht has been awarded to the 3,670 families of people who died as their deaths were attributed to the vaccines, said Mr Jadet.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2292514/b1-7bn-for-adverse-jab-effects

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago

Doctors say ‘No’, politicians say ‘Go’. Stop the 5-to-11s ‘offer’
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/no-benefit-all-risk-for-5-to-/
by Children’s Covid Vaccines Advisory Council (CCVAC)

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

There is no Bagshot Lane in Bracknell.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

There is a Bagshot Rd. though.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hampden+Cres,+Bracknell+RG12+9NW/@51.4093572,-0.7486701,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x48767e18eaa752b1:0x95e446249b4a4b5b!8m2!3d51.4092226!4d-0.7464573

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago

It can’t be said that the LD’s primary candidate for the Senate, Kate Fantinel, doesn’t have a sense of humour.

You can't look away Mark McG.jpg
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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

“Women of African-Caribbean descent earn on average more than white working-class men” – Watch Toby on talkRADIO tell Kevin O’Sullivan that white working-class men are the most disadvantaged group in Britain.

This was celebrated on GB News the other night as “proof the UK isn’t racist”. Dan Wootton and his guests failed to recognise (most likely deliberately) that the UK regime is emphatically racist against white people.

The attack focuses mainly on white men because they’re traditionally the protector of the family unit and the hunter gatherer. On all advertising, for example; black men have entirely replaced white men – especially those dating white women. It’s part of the psyops to destroy us as a people.

I don’t need to see studies and stats to know what is happening around me. It was the same with the covid scam. But hats off to Toby Young for sticking his neck out and saying it as it is, especially when even GB News applauds the deliberate damage being dealt upon white people.

Last edited 3 years ago by J4mes
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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

“On all advertising, for example; black men have entirely replaced white men”

Not yet on plenty of advertising for outdoor clothing and equipment.

Too implausible, perhaps.

Last edited 3 years ago by Nearhorburian
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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago

Good news at last – a shortage of the industrial seed oil (aka vegetable oil) sunflower oil from the Ukraine. Hopefully this will present an opportunity for people to really improve their health by switching to lard, or coconut oil or avocado oil – take your pick.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

What’s wrong with olive oil?

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Nowt, I love the stuff. Add it to the list.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Sunflower oil isn’t the healthiest option to cook with either because of its low smoking point. I stopped using it a long time ago. Rapeseed oil, otherwise known as bog-standard vegetable oil is better for cooking with, is high in Omega 6, and grown here. And it’s cheaper. The cold pressed version is very nice, btw.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Neither sunflower oil nor rapeseed are healthy. Seed oils in general are toxic waste and sunflower oil seems to be implicated in macular degeneration. If you were to ask me what three food items you could cut to greatly improve your health I would say sugar, industrial seed oils (they’re not really vegetable oils, which is a marketing term) and bread (aka slow cake).

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Faddish suggestions: bread especially (other than white) is extremely good for one.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  iane

Not faddish at all, a high fat low carb diet is ideal for good metabolic health. Just because the bread you eat isn’t white, doesn’t mean it’s doing you any good.

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CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
3 years ago
Reply to  iane

Have a look at Cummins/Gerber: Eat Rich Live Long – just one of several books going back around 20 years explaining the role of insulin and leptin resistance in all manner of disease (MIRS/cardiovascular/cancer/bone attenuation) and what the main dietary causes are.

Of course to a limited extent anyway, one man’s meat is another man’s poison – at least, some can tolerate a particular food more than another may.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Here’s a useful link you might like to check out:

https://chriskresser.com/how-industrial-seed-oils-are-making-us-sick/

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

NB Being high in Omega 6 is not good. Ideally the ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 should be 1:1.

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The old bat
The old bat
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

I have just bought a couple of blocks of lard (and I will get some more) as a hedge against future shortages of coking oils/fats. I have only recently discovered that seed oils aren’t as healthy as we thought. Block lard is extremely cheap, has a long date stamp and can also be frozen. I was brought up on the stuff!

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John001
John001
3 years ago

I see that Dr Malone is suing the NYT for libel. If anyone is in contact with him, tell him it might be an idea to sue in the English courts, where proving libel is fairly easy and the burden of proof is on the defendant (yes, really). The USA is possibly the most difficult country to pursue such cases, due to its (wise) first amendment.

He blocks comments on his Substack except from (paid) subscribers.

Lots of people in the UK read the NYT online nowadays; it carries considerable influence. So it should be possible to bring a case in London.

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TSull
TSull
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

Or in the Republic of Ireland, where the burden of proof for libel is even lower still.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago

Reliable & Affordable Electricity Means Unscrambling Subsidised Wind & Solar Debacle
https://stopthesethings.com/2022/04/09/reliable-affordable-electricity-means-unscrambling-subsidised-wind-solar-debacle/
by stopthesethings

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago

Mrs FP came across a proper total maskateer this morning: a close to 6ft Amazon masked to the max had the misfortune to cross paths when my wife had the audacity to “SNEEZE”: said Amazon tutted loudly so everybody would hear and of course almost ran into the middle of the road.
As my late mother used to say, “They’re afraid of the wind blowing on em”
PATHETIC!!!

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Philip Neal
Philip Neal
3 years ago

@ Toby, Noah and Will. Four seriously interesting articles today (9 April) all supplying well researched new fact. So much more informative than today’s “news” that Boris met Volod, Melenchon is up in the polls, President Biden said something etc etc. Keep it up!

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