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The Independent leads with the news that the NHS is about to pilot its new coronavirus detector app – known as the “NHSX app” – in the Isle of Wight. Matt Hancock is expected to announce at today’s Downing Street press briefing that the 141,000 residents of the island will become the first people in the country to test the new homegrown app.

But why has the NHS developed its own contact-tracing app rather than rely on the tried-and-tested approach developed by Apple and Google? According to this report in The Register, the British Government has rejected the Apple-Google approach because the US tech giants protect their users’ privacy too well. The Apple-Google approach is a tracing programme that relies on users consenting to their phones being used for data collection without creating a hackable data pool. The NHS app, by contrast, automatically sends that information to a central database on state-owned servers that creates a honey-pot for identity thieves.

Two concerns immediately spring to mind. First, if the app is being developed by the NHS, will it actually work? The NHS’s efforts to develop its own computerised patient record system had to be abandoned in 2013 at a cost of nearly £10 billion to the taxpayer. Second, will the NHS be able to protect all the data it gathers? Pooling data in one place is very bad practice from a security point of view and a group of 173 security academics have written a ‘we, the undersigned’ letter flagging up their concerns about privacy and medical confidentiality if the NHS app is rolled out nationally. (More on that letter here.) Two years ago the NHS became one of the most high-profile victims of the global WannaCry cyber attack that ended up costing the UK taxpayer £92 million. One of the reasons the NHS was particularly vulnerable is that it was using out-of-date IT systems, including Windows XP, then 17 years old. Incidentally, the Norwegian government developed it’s own Covid-tracker app and refused to publish the source code on the grounds that it would pose a security risk. Within a week, open source advocates had decompiled it, published their findings and identified numerous glitches. If, by some miracle, nothing goes wrong on the Isle of Wight, we’ll all be expected to download the new NHS app to our phones in the next two or three weeks.

The Isle of Wight

Meanwhile, at yesterday’s press briefing Michael Gove said the British public must learn to live with restrictions on our movement for many months and would have to adapt to a “new normal” going forward. (As if to underline the point, several of today’s papers have said Boris won’t unveil an exit plan on Thursday as expected, but will now wait until next Sunday – and BuzzFeed‘s Alex Wickham has some detail on what’s likely to be in that plan here.) “Ultimately, unless and until we have a vaccine then I suspect that we are going to have to live with some degree of constraint because of the nature of the virus,” Gove said.

Does this mean we should start calling the restrictions the Government has put in place the “Forever Lockdown” after Joe Haldeman’s science fiction classic The Forever War? A reader has flagged up a quote from another science fiction author, Robert Heinlein, that is appropriate for the current time, given how little dissent from Covid orthodoxy is tolerated:

I began to sense faintly that secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy . . . censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, “This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,” the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything – you can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.

If you’re concerned about the silencing of critical voices, someone has started a petition on Change.org calling for the resignation of Diane Wojcicki, the CEO of YouTube whom the petitioner describes as the video publishing platform’s “chief censor”. You can sign that petition here.

At least the lockdown will be subjected to some proper Parliamentary scrutiny today, with a debate about the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations due to take place in the House of Commons this afternoon. Several Tory rebels are expected to take the Government to task – the Mail has more. Leading the charge will be Steve Baker MP, a former Conservative minister and leading Brexiteer, who’s written an op ed in today’s Telegraph in which he urges Boris to end the lockdown, which he describes as “absurd, dystopian and tyrannical”. (I always liked the cut of his jib.) Among other things, Baker says he thinks the lockdown laws may be unlawful:

A judicial review is being brought against the lockdown laws, claiming they are ultra vires – that is, that ministers have no legal authority to impose them in the way they did – and that they incur a disproportionate interference with fundamental rights and freedoms. There is serious legal scholarship supporting that view. I fear the present rules may be unlawful.

One of the most egregious examples of state over-reach Baker flags up in his jeremiad is South Yorkshire Police telling a father-of-two that he couldn’t use his own front garden in Rotherham to play with his children. “Families have been driven off their own outdoor property, against the law,” writes Baker. Yesterday, in a rare act of humility, the same police force apologised after it criticised a man for exercising while wearing jeans. Who knew that was against the rules? Yahoo News has the story.

Professor Sir Ian Diamond, the head of the Office of National Statistics (ONS), was interviewed on Marr yesterday. (You can watch it on the BBC iPlayer here.) They got into a number of interesting issues, including how best to calculate the UK death toll, which Diamond predicted is really around 30,000, not the 28,131 as of yesterday morning. This is if you add those deaths where medical practitioners have recorded COVID-19 as the cause of death on the death certificate but don’t have any test evidence to corroborate that. At present, as readers of this site will know, only those COVID-19 deaths where the patient tested positive are currently included in the Government’s official death toll.

Diamond went on to explain to Andrew Marr that of the excess deaths he and his colleagues at the ONS have counted, up to a third are an indirect consequence of the lockdown and other measures, adding that even more indirect deaths will occur in the future. He said:

…but I think we also need to remember that at the moment we are seeing the highest number of deaths each week that we at the Office of National Statistics have recorded since weekly records started in 1993… when we see these very high levels of death not all of them, not all of them are the result of Covid-19. The last week we had records for the excess was approaching 12,000 deaths of which, I would suggest, between eight and 9,000 were Covid and the rest were what we call indirect deaths. Those could be for example people who would normally have gone into hospital for some reason but the beds were not available. Just give you an example: in my late mother’s last couple of years of her life she went into hospital and back out again a few times. Had she not been able to go in one of those times she may well have died a little earlier than she did. So I think it’s important to recognise there are indirect deaths as well as the Covid-related deaths. We have a piece from the Office of National Statistics that we’ve done jointly with the government actuaries department, the Home Office and Department of Health coming out in the next few days which will show also a third group which will come out over the next few years where changes in the prioritisation of the Health Service, for example, reductions in cancer screening, will lead to deaths over the next few years. And the final thing I’d just like to say, Andrew: if we have a lengthy and deep recession then we know that can lead to increased deaths as people are pushed into lengthy periods of unemployment… the headline numbers that I started with need to be adjusted and added to by those indirect deaths.

Marr followed up by saying it sounded as if Diamond was confirming that the UK is heading for the worst death toll in Europe. But Diamond wasn’t having that:

I wouldn’t say that at all. And I would say that making international comparisons Andrew is an unbelievably difficult thing to do. We in this country have, in my opinion… I think we have the best reporting, the most transparent reporting, and the most timely reporting because we include death registrations and we’ve been pushing our deaths registration reporting as fast as we possibly can. And then even after you look at the actual deaths it is incredibly important to recognise that context. So deaths are going to be more concentrated, as I’ve already indicated, in inner cities. If you have a rural country then it’s likely that your death rates will be lower. I’m not saying that we’re at the bottom of any potential league table – it’s almost impossible to calculate a league table – but I’m not prepared to say that we’re heading for the top.

The fact that the ONS is about to publish data on the likely number of deaths caused by the Government’s strategy for mitigating the impact of the virus was news to me. From the point of view of lockdown sceptics, that data will be invaluable evidence in the case for the prosecution. (Thanks to Guy de la Bédoyère for transcribing Bob Diamond’s comments.)

An eagle-eyed reader spotted an interesting detail in a doctor’s diary published by BBC News yesterday. According to Dr John Wright of Bradford Royal Infirmary, the ‘clap for carers’ that takes place every Thursday at 8pm causes a small spike in Accident and Emergency admissions. (That’s ER admissions for our American readers.) Some people are jumping up on concrete bollards and letterboxes in order to clap, only to then fall off and hurt themselves. Ella Simkin, a health 23 year-old, went out with her parents to clap last Thursday at their house in south London and decided to jump on to a raised concrete flower bed. She missed her footing and ended up in hospital. And it’s not just young people. While some have been exercising more than usual during the lockdown, others have stopped exercising altogether, particularly the elderly, and problems can occur when they suddenly get up and clap. They may fall and break a bone, for instance. How long before clapping every Thursday night is replaced by the British Sign Language equivalent – basically, waving your hands in the air – as it has been at Manchester University Students’ Union? The reason for that daft bit of snowflakery was not to avoid injury, but because traditional clapping can supposedly cause “issues” for sensitive students.

The Times has some interesting detail on the YouGov poll that was reported in the Sunday Times yesterday, with fieldwork done on Thursday and Friday of last week. The headline figure is that that 55% of the British public remain scared about getting coronavirus. And, interestingly, this doesn’t vary much with political affiliation or how you voted in the EU Referendum (although ConservativeHome found that a third of its readers support the Swedish Government’s approach). However, it does vary between men and women: just 47% of men are scared, compared to 62% of women. Among different age groups, the most scared are not the over-55s, but 34-44 year-olds. Our older readers will not be surprised by that finding.

Indeed, one of these, describing herself as “Frustrated in Kent”, has sent me a marvellous rant about the supine cowardice of her fellow countrymen:

Today, walking my dog, I saw a young man zoom by on a bicycle, wearing what looked like a WWI gas mask with full goggles and, of course, gloves. This in the middle of the Kent countryside. Later this morning, in a queue outside Waitrose, I got into conversation with a woman behind me who was dead scared that her mask was not going to protect her inside the store. This afternoon, I ran into a neighbour while I was walking on a footpath across an orchard. He nearly fell into the apple trees in his scramble to social distance.

What is wrong with these people? We’re in the country, for God’s sake, and we’ve been distancing for weeks. Is everybody so unable to think for themselves that this sort of behaviour becomes the norm? I blame the news, the politicians and especially the media coverage – particularly the BBC’s sensationalism. Every story is designed to scare everyone into quiescent behaviour, with the implicit threat of fines and/or worse for nonconformism. Is this how fascism begins – when a quiescent population abjures the right of the individual to speak and think for him or herself and accepts the status quo without question?

I have always wondered how the German nation adapted to the hideous excesses of Hitler and his regime since Germans by and large are sympathetic and stoic and caring people. I happen to be married to a German and have been for 35 years. Now I have a more perfect understanding. If you accept something without questioning authority, then that authority takes ever more advantage of the situation and soon you have a population that is denied the opportunity to question. This is what is happening here and I am concerned that the nation is on the wrong track.

I’m waiting for the day I’m told that I have to wear a special marking on my clothing to show I’m over 70 so that I can be stopped on the street by the authorities for breaking lockdown and then I’ll be hustled on home (with a fine or worse).

Another reader has sent me a good quote from CG Jung about “psychic epidemics”, something we appear to be in the midst of. It was quoted by the late great Christopher Booker in his last book Groupthink: A Study in Self Delusion:

It is becoming more and more obvious that it is not starvation, it is not microbes, it is not cancer, but man himself who is his greatest danger: because he has no adequate protection against psychic epidemics, which are are infinitely more devastating in their effect than the greatest natural catastrophes.

CJ Jung

A quick round-up of interesting article I’ve spotted, or which readers have flagged up, in the last 24 hours:

I was recently interviewed by Meghan Murphy, a Canadian feminist who’s been banned from Twitter for misgendering trans activists, about the lockdown and freedom of speech. You can listen to the podcast here or watch it on YouTube here. That interview took just over 40 minutes. If you want the short version, click here to listen to an interview I did with Kevin O’Sullivan on TalkRadio on Saturday.

Readers continue to suggest songs that would make suitable theme tunes for this site. The latest batch include ‘Every Breath You Take‘ by the Police, ‘Merrie Melodies & Looney Tunes – Opening themes‘, ‘Behind the Mask‘ by Eric Clapton and ‘Fight the Power‘ by Public Enemy.

Thanks to those who donated for the upkeep of Lockdown Sceptics yesterday. I had been hoping to dial down my advocacy on Thursday when Boris was originally supposed to reveal his exit plan, but that’s now been postponed until Sunday and that deadline may slip again. So if you feel like donating, please do so by clicking here. (Every little helps!) And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in tomorrow’s update, you can email me here. See you tomorrow.

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rodmclaughlin
rodmclaughlin
6 years ago

I agree with trying to get rid of Susan Wojcicki, the feminist CEO of Youtube, but not exactly for the reasons given in this post – her censorship of disagreement with the WHO about the coronavirus. Her firing of James Damore for arguing that PART of the reason for the underrepresentation of women in software engineering MIGHT be evolutionary differences between the psychologies of the AVERAGE members of the two sexes is more significant. Also, she was backed by her SJW boss, the CEO of Google, the most powerful company in the world, and many of its employees. This rot in Western civilization can’t be stopped by the resignation of this or that aparatchik.

https://firedfortruth.com/

James McMeehan Roberts
James McMeehan Roberts
6 years ago

Toby

You might like to note this article on the BBC Website this evening:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229

It says:

In mid-March, the maths showed the UK needed to change course or a quarter of a million people would die in a “catastrophic epidemic”.
Those calculations helped transform government policy and all lives.

This is of course as inaccurate as Ferguson’s modelling. The model showed it, because the model was wrong. Box’s Aphorism says ‘All models are wrong, but some are useful’. You might like to update it to ‘All models are wrong, some are useful, but some are murderously toxic’.

Keep up the good work

Polemon2
Polemon2
6 years ago

Why use the NHS to develop a tracking app., despite their history of failed systems development? Obviously?because 1) we can give them even more money to use on whatever they think is a good idea 2) because NHS staff are so god-like that they know everything and can do no wrong.

Permanent lock-down? Of course-we can’t risk a second “spike” in infections because that might give the NHS some problems. However, where is the actual evidence that a second “spike” of any consequence has occurred anywhere?
Ah, the poor besieged NHS with all those scarce intensive care beds. Funny how the London “Nightingale” hospital (planned 4000 beds: 54 actually used) is being closed: those in Birmingham, Bristol and Harrogate have not been used (according to the Guardian), all at the same time as opening a new one in the North East. Still, it’s only money and generates employment(?).
By the way – how did they build them whist maintaining the regulation distance between workers?
So, to keep the paranoia going the NHS is now turning to this old ways to tell us that we need to exercise more and reduce obesity in order to help fight Covid. I am yet… Read more »

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

Just out from University of Arizona (sent to Journal of Virology)
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-scientific-team-unique-mutation-coronavirus.html
Scientists believe that a weakened virus that causes less severe disease may have a selective advantage if it is able to spread efficiently through populations by people who are infected unknowingly.
That would be an argument to end the lockdown yesterday

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

The main vaccine syndicate must hate all these independent competitors. They have to trash/pay off each one as they occur, presumably.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

And you can bet that the msm here will start denigrating and sniping at Israel- as usual.

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

CEO Heathrow about social distancing
Just one jumbo jet would require a queue a kilometer long.
Given that the largest A380 passenger plane seats 500 people, the notion that all those people could keep two meters distance as they board the plane just isn’t feasible
Forget social distancing, it won’t work in aviation or any other form of public transport, and the problem is not the plane, it is the lack of space in the airport.
The brightest brains in the UK are now eagerly trying to solve this self inflicted problem.Probably easiest to shut down Heathrow

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

https://order-order.com/2020/05/05/10-problems-nhss-new-coronavirus-app/

Beware the app. Revert to old style mobiles: cue price gouging on Ebay for 2nd mobiles.

My second hand mobile is app resistant!

Kevin Moore
Kevin Moore
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Yeah, I ordered two dumb phones today!

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Moore

Mobile Luddites outwitting the covid police. Way to go!

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago

Coronavirus: Scientists publish advice to government
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52542109

An interesting little admission in this item. Amongst the advice issued to the government is:

“Lockdown restrictions should be eased very gradually in order to maintain public trust in health policy”

So there it is in black and white: the disastrous lockdown is to be extended for longer than necessary in order to “maintain public trust in health policy”. At £2.4 billion per day, that’s quite an expensive face-saving exercise.

Pebbles
Pebbles
6 years ago

A while ago, a friend had sent me the following article from Global Research Canada:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/ncov-2019-coronavirus-time-line/5705776
It is an excellent overview over the muddling of the WHO from January until March / planetary lockdown. Please don’t be put off by the title that uses the word ‘fake’ pandemic as there are some really good facts in there…

But for me, it really is all about the timeline… As we are all busy staring at graphs and charts and arguing about decimals behind numbers, the fact of the matter is:
France has now officially presented the first Covid-19 infections as dating from December, so the first domino to challenge the official timeline narrative has fallen…
IF the dates, infection and transmission timelines given by the Chinese authorities are off by only a couple of weeks, every graph, chart and curve goes to smithereens pretty much immediately. The virus would have spread past Wuhan and China much much earlier. And since CCP tempers and censors virtually everything, why have we taken their information at face value to begin with?
IF the outbreak / transmission / lab escape (whatever it was in the end) happened in late October or early November, we can… Read more »

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago

This fella is apparently close to the cabinet
He tweeted this
Better to run out of money than oxygen
https://twitter.com/MrMasonMills/status/1257640563723194369?s=19

Thats great to know, I’ll tell my family when we run out money its oxygen soup all round

BoneyKnee
BoneyKnee
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

Totally inane. Up there with “Brexit means Brexit” in meaningless phrases. How about “Bang a pan and save our NHS!”

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

He’s modest too, his twitter bio reads:

‘Once called a Modern Day Nostradamus. Listening carefully and keeping you informed.’

Paul Seale
Paul Seale
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

“Once called the Modern day Nostradamus”. I agree entirely Nostradamus was full of sh!t as well.

Steve Austin
Steve Austin
6 years ago

Excellent article

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/05/virus-of-mass-destruction/

‘The Internet has become an Orwellian chorus of shrieking, sanctimonious voices bullying everyone into conformity with charts, graphs, and desperate guilt-trips, few of which have much connection to reality. Corporations and governments are censoring dissent. We’re approaching a level of manufactured mass hysteria and herd mentality that not even Goebbels could have imagined’

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve Austin

Reminiscent of reds under the beds, and the Russians are coming

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

Fearmongers at work:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/04/uk-unions-criticise-guidance-on-returning-to-work-for-being-inadequate

It won’t be the first time that trade unions cost their members jobs in vast numbers.

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The bit that made me laugh was ‘Labour threw its weight…’, that’ll make such a difference!! Not!

Hammer Onats
Hammer Onats
6 years ago

Latest news from the little fascist who is leader of the Scottish Government:

People exposed to Covid-19 could be provided with isolation accommodation by the Government to reduce the risk of them spreading the virus to other members of their household.

The Chinese-style quarantine measure was touted as the Scottish Government unveiled its plans for a Test, Trace and Isolate (TTI) strategy expected to be in place by the end of May, pending a significant increase in the country’s testing capacity.

TTI is seen as a key plank in helping to ease existing lockdown restrictions, although First Minister Nicola Sturgeon stressed that it would only work if people also continued to adhere to social distancing measures designed to suppress the infection.

ianp
ianp
6 years ago

Oh… my… god. Lockdown is good for you propaganda

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52535044

This daily health update should be a comedy series

Like a holiday…! Could the BBC get any worse? Keep checking as each day this shit gets worse. These fearful fools that think this is ‘utopia’ have got a nice little shock coming their way soon when their paid holiday ends.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  ianp

Paternalists are just about tolerable when they are at least actual mental and moral grownups, but being “managed” by a bunch of immature, sentimental cowards is genuinely annoying (and hugely costly, as this coronavirus response disaster is demonstrating).

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  ianp

Are they now gonna start arguing that prison is a healthy environment?!

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Given the prison testing statistics revealing huge numbers of the asymptomatic I wouldn’t put it past them

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago

I just sent a reply to my MP, it included the following:

”Speaking ahead of post-Brexit trade talks on 3 February 2020, in Greenwich, London, the Prime Minister said this: 

‘…and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then, at that moment, humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange…’  

Whilst presumably trying to hint that his government would be the government to make the case for freedom of exchange, the fact remains that the Prime Minister did panic in the face of coronavirus and did make decisions that go beyond what is medically rational to the point that he has brought real and unnecessary economic damage on this country, not to mention the social damage that has been done.”

Not sure if I’ll get a response but I had to get it off my chest!

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

Well spotted – I have nicked that and sent it to my MP!

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE
Annabel Andrew
Annabel Andrew
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

As have I! Thank you kvnmoore561.

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

No problem!

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

Boris then removed his foot from his mouth and placed it on the faces of his people.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Well, if Obama (BO to you and me) could do it to “British” Petroleum …..

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

Now that there seems to be the beginnings at least of a general recognition of the superiority of Sweden’s approach, it’s amusing to look back on some of the most egregiously bad coverage of that country over the past few weeks. Mark Brolin should be thoroughly ashamed of the hit piece he wrote in the Telegraph less than three weeks ago:

Sweden has shown how not to tackle coronavirus, as it fights now to save face

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/16/sweden-has-shown-not-tackle-coronavirus-fights-now-save-face/

BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
6 years ago

HOSPITAL ADMISSIONS
We need honesty about the relevant data, if we are to make a rapid escape from where we are now.
At yesterday’s Gov’t briefing, Jonathan Van-Tam referred to “steady but absolutely consistent declines” in hospital admissions in England; he then showed the chart linked here:
In fact, his chart shows the total numbers still in hospital, so doesn’t prove his point on the daily trend of admissions. He must have data on daily hospital admissions resulting from Covid (rather than admissions for other reasons but then testing +ve once admitted).
This data, analysed by age to identify those over and under working age (say 65), would help put into context the real cost-benefit analysis of business closure. [I know there are outliers but 65 is a sensible cut-off). I suspect it would show how small the peanut is, that the lock-down sledgehammer is being used to crack.
As for the many over-65’s of my acquaintance (ie most of my 70 fellow members who would come to the bridge club each week), those who saw themselves at risk were already self-isolating well before 23 March, without being needing to be nannied by the state.

EXCESS DEATHS
Still, my main… Read more »

BoneyKnee
BoneyKnee
6 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

I do agree. Who is dying is very important. A 30 year old with a family to support losing many years of life ahead and a weakened family is very different from a 75 year old. So are their risk mitigation factors and exposure factors. The 30-year old is less at risk if she catches it and more likely to be exposed because of the young children.

All this is crucial in ending the lockdown. We get nothing from government.

Paul Seale
Paul Seale
6 years ago
Reply to  BoneyKnee

I attempted to make that highly logical observation and was roundly accused of wanting old people to die.

The Sunday People’s front page was indicative of how this Nation seems to see Covid. Broadly an 86 year old in a care home had been “sacrificed” because of the government response to this. The Government handling aside how is an already unwell 86 year old dying of flu newsworthy? Gone are the days when we’d say they’d had a good innings but sadly the end comes to us all. We now seemingly expect everyone to live forever in the rudest of health in old age but have no care for the social, financial, mental or educational impact on those expected to pick up the tab.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul Seale

I’ve experienced the same, countless numbers of times: pneumonia and variants used to be known as ‘the old man’s friend’, as a speedy death and release were virtually assured.
Now , we are incapable of accepting that it is entirely natural for the very old and sick to die before the young and robust. This is nature and we’ve become so divorced from it and so risk averse that we can no longer acknowledge that life will eventually end for all of us.
Lest I be denounced as a hypocrite, I have a living will and do not expect to be kept alive in a state of miserable and messy dependency.
Before this all kicked off, the MSM were endlessly engaged in reporting about the ageing society and how to manage it.
Now we’re all expected to live for ever like the Struldbrugs in Gulliver’s Travels.
The fact that many of those who have succumbed to covid have been in the end stages of dementia, heart failure and general debility seems to have escaped the media’s rational faculties,if ever there were any.
Young and economically active people’s lives and prospects cannot go on being sacrificed in this way.

Sally
Sally
6 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

Read this for some context on z-scores and the timing of the pandemic: https://wmbriggs.com/post/30651/

Margaret
Margaret
6 years ago
Reply to  Sally

Thanks for posting this. I’m not a statistician, so all this is a bit complicated, but is this article saying that the reason it appears we have so many excess deaths is that Covid 19 is like a late “flu” epidemic and had the deaths been spread out over the normal flu season we would hardly have noticed them? It would make sense to me if so, as according to ONS data, 9 out of the first 16 weeks of this year have had a lot lower number of deaths than the five year average for the corresponding weeks.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Pretty much yes. Also the deaths are in April rather than in the winter. Hence hysterical headlines about record numbers of deaths usually end up saying it’s a record for the last week of April or something. When you plot the whole year you get a bit more perspective.

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

The stats are being manipulated. I know this from a GP recording care home deaths. No matter what primary cause is = covid on death certificate

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago

Fraser Nelson is definitely a Lockdown Sceptic. He wrote the following on The Spectator site yesterday:

“[Imperial College’s] modelling envisaged Sweden paying a heavy price for its rejection of lockdown, with 40,000 Covid deaths by 1 May and almost 100,000 by June. The latest figure for Sweden is 2,680 deaths, with daily deaths peaking a fortnight ago.” and “given that Sweden achieved what Imperial College had thought undoable, without the surveillance or the tech or the loss of liberty, its lessons are also worthy of consideration.”

The full article is behind a paywall but you can get access to a number of articles for free if you register.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sweden-tames-its-r-number-without-lockdown

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago

Cue someone saying that Sweden are really locked down in all but name – that their road traffic is way down or some such. It’s because they’re more grown-up than us, apparently. Their government didn’t have to get heavy-handed.

However, until a couple of weeks ago, the same people were furious with Sweden’s ‘reckless experiment’. When the disaster didn’t happen, they changed the narrative.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I agree that this is how the spin may well go from here.

Fraser Nelson has been sceptical for a few weeks on the spectator’s podcast. I think his wife is Swedish, which may give him some insights.

I’m probably being over-optimistic here, but I hope that if any publication has some influence over Boris then its the spectator as he was once it’s editor.

Paul Seale
Paul Seale
6 years ago

If Boris hadn’t caught it would we still be locked down? I doubt it.

coalencanth12
coalencanth12
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

My Swedish collaborators are preparing to go back to work and have already sent the kids back to childcare. They were a bit worried about their governments approach at first but looking at the mess in the UK and other countries they are grateful. There is still quite an economic and productivity hit due to a lot of Europe being hidden behind lockdown!

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago

Oh dear! Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwXlOQLu44&feature=youtu.be

I think Mr Johnson has had to eat his own words!

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

As others have already pointed out re Boris – ‘Forget Churchill, he is more Neville Chamberlain’.

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  old fred

Agreed!

Roger
Roger
6 years ago
Reply to  old fred

I think Grand Old Duke of York better fits the bill.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  old fred

With Greta as his wife-to-be.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

Great stuff. It’s posted on a left wing Youtube channel, though. Notice how confused the commenters are. They’re not quite sure what to say about it, because if they mock Johnson’s eventual capitulation to panic then they’re mocking their own ‘stance’ and indirectly applauding what he’s saying in the speech – and of course they hate that idea even more.

So in the end, it’s only people like us who can fully appreciate the irony, the utter lack of principles of the man, and the depth of the betrayal he has perpetrated.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

Possibly the only things he has not been eating. Should the obese self-isolate?

GLT
GLT
6 years ago

I have just listened to Matt Hancock (interview on the radio) urge people to download the government’s app. Apparently this will offer us ‘freedom’. My breakfasts are becoming more dystopian by the day…

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  GLT

Oh yes, people will know to ‘do the right thing’! Yeah, I know I do, the right thing is to not download the app! I’m even thinking of buying a ‘dumb’ phone that I can take out with me in case they make it compulsory on smart phones! Oh dear, now I’m getting paranoid!

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

I’m quite willing to flush my smart phone down the loo. If you have facebook take it off your phone, there’s some jiggery pokery going on with their ‘off facebook’ tracking (in fact I think google maps also does that even if you have location turned off). I’m leaving my phone at home when I leave the house these days, and quite willing to do without it all together. I’m also suspicious that they’ll use debit card data, so back to cash for me.

eastberks44
eastberks44
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

I have already bought a Nokia 6310 – £20 on eBay. Expect the price to go up if there’s a run on them though.

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

Yeah, I was looking at one on Tesco yesterday but I couldn’t tell if it still had internet or apps, it was only a fiver with a top up.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  GLT

I ditched my smart phone a couple of years ago for a Nokia 105. It’s great and just like the old days, the battery last for ages. May just get another one before they become ‘obselete’ 😉

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B081DDS4HK/ref=crt_ewc_title_huc_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago
Reply to  GLT

Matthew Hancock’s press conference was entertaining. Asked about the vaccine he couldn’t rule out to make it compulsory for children. Luckily for him there was an adult in the room from Public Health England who discreetly nodded to him and said that children were perhaps not at big risk for this killer virus. Matthew Hancock is a good example how a very young man in a remarkable short period of time can reach his level of incompetence.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Matthew Hancock is a good example how a very young man in a remarkable short period of time can reach his level of incompetence.

100%

IanE
IanE
6 years ago

Agreed mostly , ‘reach’? ‘Massively surpass’ seems more the thing!

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

“Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them”

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago

Good morning! I’ve been reflecting on the fact that it is VE Day on Friday and that we’re having a bank holiday (is there one for VJ day?). Anyway, I was looking forward to this as for years I’ve wondered why we haven’t had a bank holiday on 8th May, especially since other countries do, like France, for example. Now I have mixed emotions: pride at what our forefathers did to protect and win our freedom, yet shame to see that same freedom so easily abandoned over the past six weeks as people cower in their homes over the exaggerated threat of Covid19. I will struggle with the hypocrisy of all the rhetoric that we will no doubt hear from Boris Johnson et al, yet I will be quietly thankful that our current generation and government wasn’t around back then as I don’t think we’d have stood much of a chance!
BTW – still no news on the petition to Parliament, it is still pending review! I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt initially but I think it’s at least three weeks now so it seems decidedly suspicious.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

My MP wrote to me comparing covid deaths to civilian casualties during WW2! I’m so angry, I’ve been able to construct a reply that doesn’t turn into a rant, but I will.

One thing I’m taking comfort from is before we got to the point where young men were willing to lie about their health and age so they could go and defend our freedom, we did go through a period of huge complacency, and the phoney war, after a period of trying to appease. It wasn’t instantaneous, that calculation that Brits made that being dead was a better outcome than not being free. I am hoping that still might be the case with this, that people will eventually see this for what it is.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

*unable

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Very good point about the phoney war, thanks.

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Can’t believe they compared it to WW2 civilian casualties, that is so distasteful.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

We got a thing through the letterbox this morning from some neighbours who’ve organised a VE day picnic in the garden. So on Thursday we get to go out and do our social conditioning exercises on the doorstep, then the day after we get to go out and celebrate those who died to ensure we never had to do such social conditioning exercises. Oh, the irony. The terrifying irony.

“Make sure to adhere to social distancing guidelines!”

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Actually I think I’m gonna rechristen ‘social distancing’ ‘social conditioning’.
I’ve been an effort to call everything what it is instead of the buzzword they’re pushing. So ‘contract tracing’ is ‘Orwellian surveillance’. ‘Protect the NHS’ is ‘Dying to keep hospital beds empty’. ‘The New Normal’ is ‘The New Tyranny’.

giblets
giblets
6 years ago

So France has announced that it’s first case of COVID was back in December. The real importance of this is that this case was due to a transmission IN France, the patient in question had not been outside of France. This must throw most of the models out, as well in vastly increase the number of people who have had the disease.

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago

Researchers in Paris say analysis of samples from 2 individuals hospitalized on Dec 2, 2019 shows they had #COVID19. Neither had traveled outside of France recently, & never to China. This pushes back the earliest non-Chinese case by well over a month.
https://t.co/RT05BNb4yU

https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1257451607853334529?s=19

giblets
giblets
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

Beat me to it! But this really increases the need for a decent serotological study round Paris/ London, to understand how far it spread.
There are of course supposedly several strains of the virus, with the first ‘A strain’ supposedly less virulent. So could be this spread round before when the later strain arrived and did more damage

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  giblets

It could be that all the asymptomatic cases are because of cross-immunity from an earlier (very mild) strain. This could explain studies in homeless centres and prisons that found even higher than usual (for Covid-19) asymptomatic cases. If they had an earlier strain they probably would have all had it together.

Certainly these cases from December are interesting because as discussed the other day it’s hard to see how this virus can have started _that_ early. It’s only really possible if we were missing a whole bunch of critical cases and even deaths. But I guess we could have been.

mhcp
mhcp
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

It could aslo be said to demonstrate the detection of Covid-19 is subject to vagueries. Saying there are different strains is indistinguishable from saying it has common elements with other Corona viruses.

Fundamentally there is no unique Covid-19 signature – it is a case of searching for evidence to fit a preordained narrative. The test looks for a piece of RNA. A better test is to look under a Electron microscope at blood and see the celluar material. The PCR test is not meant to diagnose as depending on amplification levels you can get what you ever you want.

Celia Farber wrote about this a while back:
https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/

It’s the same with serological tests – they are looking for a type of antibodies determined to be those from Covid-19. But if you don’t know what is Covid-19 then your test has large uncertainties.

All we can go on is the subset of people who have had acute respiratory symptoms. That is a small subset of people. If that could be called the Covid-19 Condition then track that. But as we know this hasn’t been done.

It’s all vagueries with vagueries. And because people often don’t challenge “the science”… Read more »

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago

This is a couple weeks old, hope we get the results of this soon, could be huge. Stanford University’s Dr Jay Bhattacharya who worked with Prof. John Loannidis on the Santa Clara study is working with MLB to get a nationwide study.
Still no results from PHE ??

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/sports/baseball/major-league-baseball-coronavirus-study.amp.html

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago

I wonder if Neil Ferguson sleeps at night. I suspect he probably does – he’s an oddbod. But if I were him, I wouldn’t be sleeping.

He probably created his model genuinely with the best of intentions. He probably wasn’t even aware of the conflicts of interest between Imperial College’s funding and the promotion of a vaccine.

But he now ‘owns’ this economic and societal disaster. For sure, it’s the politicians who really own it, but they are on record as saying they are being “led by the science” – specifically his science. They may have their own reasons for the sinister things they are doing, but they’re putting Ferguson in the frame for it.

Ferguson’s name is now well-known to the public in the UK and around the world. In a video yesterday, a US commentator was calling Ferguson ‘Patient Zero’, in the psychological pandemic that has changed everyone’s lives. At the moment, he is lucky that they mainly just ridicule him – they know his previous record of disastrous predictions. But does it occur to Ferguson that he, personally, may have ushered in the start of the true Orwellian surveillance society? Or a global depression the… Read more »

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

“Following the science”
My friend said to me the other week, is it science in the first place if it hasn’t be peer reviewed ?

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

“Peer reviewed” is not a good test of whether something’s science, it’s just a count of how many friends you have. So Fergie doesn’t have many friends (except in the government)… but this attribute is shared by lots of good as well as bad scientists. You have to look at the actual method, results and conclusion and decide whether you agree with them.

A model is just a model and the outputs depend on the inputs. I don’t know if the Imperial code is wrong because I haven’t checked it, but we can see easily that both the inputs and outputs are pretty far off (the inputs they used are on github together with the source) based on current knowledge.

Somebody made a very good point yesterday though which is that he never modelled the effect of isolating the elderly. That’s a pretty big oversight when modelling strategies for dealing with a virus that so heavily disproportionately harms the elderly.

I think also because his model is so complicated it has an awful lot of inputs, but then you have to ask how do the errors in estimating all those inputs propagate throughout the model. When there are so many… Read more »

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Read your comment and, for some reason unbeknown to me, I started thinking about Rasputin – ‘The ‘mad monk’,… a wild-eyed sorcerer who steered Russia towards chaos‘…, ‘a con-man who preached a religious doctrine’,…. ‘reputation as a faith healer saw him summoned to the court of Tzar Nicholas II where he secured a place as the Czarina’s closest advisor’.

We all know what happened to Rasputin and the Tzar and his family, of course.

Just saying……

old fred
old fred
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Oppenheimer was, at least, aware of the enormous damage his research could do to the world. Not sure this guy is even aware or bothered about it.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

“In a video yesterday, a US commentator was calling Ferguson ‘Patient Zero’, in the psychological pandemic that has changed everyone’s lives.”

LOL! That’s very good.

It’s harsh and a bit unfair, because Ferguson was not the initiator of the panic, which in many ways was already baked into our cowardly and sentimental societies and was already being pushed by no end of media and celebrity and politician “influencers” long before his model came along and was used to enable the full panic reaction. But it has that sting of underlying truth about it that’s going to make it stick in many quarters.

But he’s basically safe. Like Blair on Iraq, too much of our political, media and social establishment have been complicit in this for him to be allowed to g down fully. Most likely, like Blair, he’ll not lose anything but reputation, but the last will haunt him to his grave.

Sunchap
Sunchap
6 years ago
Reply to  tides

Yes, I agree totally. There has to be inquiries, world wide into this. This bug was not dangerous and Big Brother has over reacted.

The IFR of Covid19 is the same as the flu and many humans are not susceptible to this virus for genetic reasons:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.024752v1. As other studies have shown, herd immunity can therefore be reached for many populations if only 20% or more are infected. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20081893v1 The loss of life will therefore be low.

Any future similar viral outbreak must be met with evidence based measures and not result in the locking up of the healthy.

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago

This is not complicated – it’s a common cold. All the rest is atmospherics.

The common cold is a great deal more dangerous to the aged and infirm than influenza:

‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/

That being said, Britain has had, is having, a really bad ‘minor medical coronavirus epidemic’. Why?

SAGE? Too many cooks……and a new, relatively young and inexperienced government, poorly served by the state bureaucracy, state health administrators and state broadcaster.

The indictment: over reaction exacerbating a minor viral epidemic causing excess deaths in England amongst the 15-64 age group that no other country in Europe has suffered; either that or data manipulation; take your pick.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/#z-scores-by-country

The setting up of an impartial, fearless, enquiry into this fiasco is now the imperative that will determine this government’s fate at the next election and beyond; for the next local elections the conservative party is already doomed.

What a shambles!

BoneyKnee
BoneyKnee
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Prime Ministers don’t almost die in ICU from common colds.

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  BoneyKnee

You clearly haven’t read the reference:

‘Rhinovirus infection in the adults was associated with significantly higher mortality and longer hospitalization when compared with influenza virus infection.’

Reference above

‘A recent large study of patients of all ages hospitalized with respiratory illnesses demonstrated that rhinoviruses and coronaviruses accounted for 5.1% of illnesses’

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/185/9/1338/938156

The Prime Minister himself admitted a while ago that he was ‘pushing 17 stone’ which, at 5 foot 9 inches tall, would make him clinically obese.

‘We have demonstrated that adults that are underweight or morbidly obese are more likely to be hospitalized from an influenza‐like illness, regardless of the causative agent of the illness, than normal‐weight adults.’

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6304312/

‘Obesity can alter the body’s immune response and lead to chronic inflammation, which increases with age, in addition to making breathing more difficult and increasing the need for oxygen.’

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180802102406.htm

The common cold, including a number of coronaviruses and rhinoviruses, is deadly for the obese, no matter what their age.

Given that nicotine is an appetite suppressant and appears to offer some protection against coronaviruses, the punitive taxation of tobacco appears to have been yet another in a long line of expensive errors of judgement on the part of… Read more »

BoneyKnee
BoneyKnee
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Sorry. Your contention that covid-19 is a common cold is simply wrong. It’s your opening line. I agree with some of your other observations. There might well be an overreaction and the negative effects of the lockdown simply seem to be being ignored and not even talked about. That doesn’t require us to believe that the virus is just a cold.

Mark Hunter
Mark Hunter
6 years ago
Reply to  BoneyKnee

So you believe him? He was in ICU, but was only on oxygen, via a face mask? But plans were being made in the event of his death? Ok, sure thing.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Or, putting it more briefly, panic, cowardice and stupidity.

Sunchap
Sunchap
6 years ago

What

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