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The Telegraph warns that people using the NHS’s new coronavirus-tracing app may not be able to travel to other countries. Failing to use the system developed by Apple and Google, which is being used by Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Estonia, among other countries, could mean Britons have to remain in quarantine for 14 days on arrival in another country. The paper posts out that this could result in the Covid equivalent of a hard border between Northern Ireland the Republic of Ireland because the latter is using the Apple-Google app. The system developed by Apple and Google relies on a decentralised system with users’ phones independently notifying them if they’ve been in contact with others who’ve tested positive, whereas the NHS app transmits users’ information to a centralised, Government-owned database that other countries won’t have access to – at least, not without signing an agreement with the UK authorities that enables them to get around EU-wide GDPR rules. But the Telegraph doesn’t explain why anyone wanting to travel abroad couldn’t simply download the Apple-Google app.

Kieren McCarthy has written a scathing article in the Register today saying the NHS app won’t work on iPhones unless the phones are awake and the app is open. He also flags up that the app may be a “battery hog”, which means people aren’t likely to keep it open. A similar home-grown app in Australia has run up against exactly those problems, as you can see in this YouTube video. McCarthy thinks it’s only a matter of time before the Government is forced to do an embarrassing u-turn.

The Times reports that Conservative MPs accused trade unions of “political sabotage” yesterday after they rejected the Government’s yet-to-be-announced plans for getting people back to work. Frances O’Grady, leader of the TUC, said there were “huge gaps” over protective equipment and testing. She called for “robust direction and enforcement” so employers can “do the right thing”. Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader and shadow business secretary, supported the unions. Current leader Keir Starmer, writing in the Times, was more muted, calling for a “national consensus” about when and how to end the lockdown. Disappointingly, he criticises the Government for being “too slow to enter lockdown” and says he would support another extension on Thursday. Meanwhile, Nicola Sturgeon says Scotland should be prepared for a further three weeks of virtual house arrest. She’s expected to unveil an exit plan on Thursday. The total number of deaths in Scotland, as of yesterday, was 1,576.

The ONS released its latest weekly data on registered deaths in England and Wales at 9.30am this morning, as it does every Tuesday. For the week ending April 24th (Week 17), 21,997 deaths “involving COVID-19” were registered, a decrease of 354 compared to the previous week. That’s the first decrease in the number of deaths since the week ending March 20th (Week 12) and 11,539 more than the five-year average for Week 17. Of the 21,997 deaths in Week 17, 8,237 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, which is 37.4% of all deaths. That’s a decrease of 521 deaths compared with Week 16, when Covid deaths were 39.2% of the total.

The total number of deaths “involving COVID-19” in England and Wales for the year to date up (December 28th 2019 to April 24th 2020) is 27,365 – and it climbs to 28,272 if you add those deaths that occurred on or before April 24th but were registered between then and May 2nd. According to Reuters, the year-to-date total climbs above 32,000 if you add deaths in Scotland and Northern Ireland up to May 2nd, meaning the UK now has the highest Covid death toll in Europe – and no doubt that figure will dominate tomorrow’s front pages. But we should caveat this by noting that the ONS’s definition of deaths “involving COVID-19” is broader than the definition of deaths from COVID-19 that’s used by the Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) and released by the Government each day. The DHSC data for England and Wales now includes deaths in the community, nut just in hospitals, but the DHSC only includes those deaths where the person in question tested positive for the virus.

A freelance journalist called Ronan Maher has written a fascinating thread on Twitter about changes to the rules for recording deaths and certifying cremations that were made by the Coronavirus Act at the end of March. It’s a detailed analysis, but the gist of it is that the safeguarding rules put in place after the prosecution of Dr Harold Shipman, Britain’s most prolific serial killer who covered up his tracks by signing the death certificates of his victims, have now been suspended. Maher concludes: “These changes create the potential opportunity for medical malpractice; indeed, people might attempt to get away with things that they would not have otherwise. Remember, the safeguards were not there for nothing.”

The ONS says that 33,593 more people than average died of all causes in the year to April 24th in England and Wales, only 27,365 of which involved COVID-19. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the true figure for Covid deaths is higher. That’s not only because the 27,365 figure is likely to include people who didn’t actually die of COVID-19, even though it’s mentioned on the death certificate. It’s also because the all-cause mortality excess death figure includes people who died as a result of measures put in place by the Government, such as those who’ve died because they haven’t been admitted to hospital with other diseases. As I flagged up a few days ago, Hector Drummond has a good piece in the Critic in which he analyses the ONS’s excess death data and concludes that not all of the non-Covid excess deaths that have occurred this year can be due to COVID-19 because if they were you’d expect the ratio of men to women among those deaths to be 60:40 when in fact it’s 50:50.

Tom Chivers looks at excess deaths, among other things, to try and work out if the lockdown is killing more people than it’s saving in a Radio 4 documentary that was broadcast today at 11.30am. He summarises the contents of the programme in UnHerd, concluding that it’s impossible to answer the question he’s posed with any degree of certainty but precisely because of that “the lockdown is probably worth it”. That’s an argument I’ve heard a lot, but I’m not persuaded. After all, the uncertainty applies to both sides of the ledger – the number of people that would have died of COVID-19 if we hadn’t gone into lockdown but had stuck with mitigation, and the number of non-Covid deaths there have been as a result of the lockdown, as well as those in the future. In a paper for the Macro Strategy Partnership, a company that does research on global markets, one of the partners has crunched the numbers and concluded that “the costs of lockdown, in terms of human lives, may be not one but two orders of magnitude higher than the ‘cost’ of the disease”. And a couple of Fellows of the Actuarial Society of South Africa have done a similar calculation and concluded that the lockdown will lead to 29 times more lives lost than the deaths it seeks to prevent. So why does Chivers think the number of lives the UK lockdown has saved is probably greater than the number it has killed and will kill? To be fair to him, perhaps he explains that in the documentary which I haven’t listened to yet.

As I noted yesterday, the ONS is collaborating with various government departments, including the Actuary’s Department, to try and calculate the number of deaths indirectly caused by the virus, which will include those who’ve died as a result of the lockdown. I discuss some of these issue in my forthcoming Spectator column.

I’ve written an op ed for today’s Sun arguing that the Government should reopen primary schools ASAP. The arguments will be very familiar to readers of this site, but here’s an extract:

Some will worry that if we send our children back to school too soon, they will risk catching coronavirus. In fact, it poses almost no threat to children. As of April 30, only seven people under 20 had died of Covid-19 in hospitals in England and three of them had underlying health conditions. Only one child under the age of ten has succumbed to the virus.

Nor is there a risk that they will infect others, such as their teachers, parents and grandparents. Research published last week by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health found that children under the age of ten do not transmit the virus. And that isn’t just true of the UK. A joint commission by China and the World Health Organisation hasn’t found a single case of a child under ten infecting an adult anywhere in the world.

The Government has published a cache of documents produced by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), although they’ve been heavily redacted. I haven’t had time to go through them all yet, and I’d be grateful if any readers want to do that and alert me to anything of interest. But just a cursory glance reveals some interesting things. In a paper dated March 17th-18th, SAGE discussed whether to lockdown London, something that was considered and rejected by the Government. Perhaps not surprising Boris rejected this option, given that the paper says the social distancing measures announced on March 16th appear to have been effective. It notes that use of public transport in London has fallen by 40% and refers to a YouGov survey showing that 45% of Londoners have stopped visiting leisure venues, 30% have stopped seeing friends, 27% have stopped seeing family, 16% have stopped sending school age children to school and 13% have stopped going to work.

What happened after this to change the Government’s mind, given that this advice was published after Imperial College published its notorious March 16th paper? Perhaps it was the advice contained in a SAGE paper dated March 20th in which the advisory group says: “It is very likely that we will see ICU capacity in London breached by the end of the month, even if additional measures are put in place today.” As we know, additional measures were put in place two days later, but ICU capacity was not breached, either in London or elsewhere. To underline this point, it’s just been announced that the flagship Nightingale Hospital built in the ExCeL centre has now been mothballed. The Telegraph has more.

One thing that jumped out at me when reading these advisory papers is how political much of the advice is, containing judgments about how public announcements are likely to be received, what the Government should avoid doing if public confidence is to be maintained, etc. For instance, in a paper dated April 13th, SAGE highlights the risks associated with antibody testing, one of which is that employers might discriminate against people who are antibody negative. Another is that “commercial organisations” might start doing antibody tests. (God forbid!) This is very far from being merely scientific advice and some of the more overtly political stuff has clearly been relayed via a subgroup called the Scientific Pandemic Influenza group on Behaviour and Communications, or “SPI-B” to use its code name. The members of this group, who were revealed yesterday, aren’t all scientists, at least not in the commonly understood sense of the term, so their advice can’t really be called “scientific”. In a paper dated March 14th, the members are described as “academic specialists in Health Psychology, Social Psychology, Anthropology and History.” Given that left-of-centre academics in the social sciences and the humanities outnumber right-of-centre academics by a ratio of at least 10:1, what’s the betting that several members of this group turn out to be hard left supporters of Jeremy Corbyn? (If any reader wants to go through the list of SPI-B members and see what their political affiliations are, I’d be grateful.) Some of the reports produced by SPI-B are heavily redacted (see below), but on the plus side the anti-Tory activists on the subgroup can probably be relied upon to leak anything they think is likely to embarrass the Government.

There a good letter in today’s Telegraph about the Government’s over-reliance on the Imperial College model:

SIR – The Government is basing policy on Professor Neil Ferguson’s modelling, which assumes exponential growth if a disease is left unchecked. Though cases have increased, exponential growth has not occurred.

The Nobel laureate Professor Michael Levitt and Professor John PA Ioannidis, both of Stanford University, argue that Professor Ferguson’s calculations may be out by a factor of 10, and other experts have said that an increase in numbers slowed before lockdown could have had an effect.

Minutes of the meetings of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) should be released so that the conversation can be more open. Currently, we are all told to accept lockdown and there is no debate. One group’s opinions should not be blindly accepted. If Professor Ioannidis and Professor Levitt are wrong, we need to be told why.

Paul Sanderson, FRCS, Hexham, Northumberland

An American reader has flagged up some interesting data from the Transport Security Administration (TSA). The TSA, which is responsible for US airport security, employs slightly more than 54,000 people, about 25,000 of whom are customer facing. Of these, 516 have tested positive for COVID-19 and of those five have died. That suggests airports, and air travel, aren’t transmission hot spots, something Jonathan Kay also concluded in his Quillette article about Covid super spreaders. Incidentally, Quillette published an excellent account of what it’s like to work for the TSA by a long-standing employee last year.

Amusing anecdote about prison offers sent by one reader:

Next door neighbour’s son is a prison officer in the East Midlands. Turns out the screws there have been reprimanded because some of them have been getting haircuts from the lags, presumably in return for certain other considerations. Apparently, it’s screamingly obvious who the customers are since after several weeks of lockdown it was starting to look like a hippy convention.

Nigel Farage received a visit from the police yesterday after traveling to Dover to make a video about illegal immigrants. He complained about it last night, tweeting: “Lockdown lunacy. Two police officers just knocked on my door to advise me on essential travel. They had received a complaint that I had been to Dover to report on the illegal migrant scandal taking place. What a total waste of time and money.” Hard to disagree. The Standard has more.

Christopher Snowdon did a bang up job of making the case for ending the lockdown on Sky News yesterday that you can watch here. He looks a bit bored in his house on Shoreham-on-Sea, where he’s been holed up for six weeks, but I know something that will cheer him up – beer-delivery dogs. Six Habors Brewery of Huntingdon New York has enlisted the help of two golden retrievers called Buddy and Barley to help deliver beer to their customers. Will Oddbins in Shoreham-on-Sea follow suit? The Telegraph has more.

Buddy and Barley turn up in the nick of time

A quick round-up of interesting articles I’ve spotted, or which readers have flagged up, in the last 24 hours:

More suggestions for potential theme tunes for this site have been sent in by readers: ‘Twenty Yards Behind‘ by Dr Feelgood, ‘It’s the End of the World as We Know It‘ by REM, ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It‘ by Twisted Sister, ‘In the Land of the Pig, the Butcher is King‘ by Meatloaf, ‘Please Release Me‘ by Englebert Humperdink, ‘I Want to Break Free‘ by Queen and ‘Something Better Change‘ by The Stranglers. As several of you have pointed out, David Greenfield, the Stranglers’ keyboard player, died yesterday – although he died of COVID-19, so he may not have approved of that song being included here!

Thanks as always to those who made a donation to pay for the upkeep of this site yesterday. If you feel like donating, you can do so by clicking here. (Every little helps!) And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in tomorrow’s update, you can email me here. I’ve added a new page, detailing the legal challenges against lockdowns around the world, here. No doubt I’ll be adding to that list.

Apologies that the daily update was late today. Will try to do better tomorrow.

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Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago

I will flag this one up because it is beautiful:

Charles Eisenstein’s stunning, powerful, deeply moving, and ultimately inspirational essay about this crisis: “THE CORONATION”.

I will link to both written essay and audio version:

https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/the-coronation/

https://youtu.be/wTISp3I2r5g

Let me add……..

Since this crisis started, a whole series of dominoes has been falling in my mind, almost daily. This time is, I believe, an extraordinary turning-point for humanity, and if we can navigate our way through it without the would-be tyrants succeeding with their power grab, we may emerge with an entirely new (and massively saner) vision for ourselves and our planet.

Here’s one “domino”:

The trigger for the crisis was a DISEASE from CHINA

The CHINESE pictogram for “DISEASE” translates literally into English as “DANGEROUS OPPORTUNITY”.

I’ve been telling my ‘chronic pain’ physio clients this for years. “Mrs. Bloggs, the Chinese word for ‘disease’ means ‘dangerous opportunity’. The ancient Chinese were clever people, they knew that an illness is often an opportunity to fix the things that caused it in the first place.”

Now, suddenly, (and uniquely) we are in a time of global DANGER. But it is also an unprecedented OPPORTUNITY for the whole of humanity to come together… Read more »

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52557297?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story

“A hair salon owner in Texas has been jailed for a week for staying open despite coronavirus restrictions that have shut all non-essential businesses.

Shelley Luther, owner of Salon à la Mode in Dallas, appeared in court on Tuesday after defying a cease-and-desist letter and a restraining order.

The judge said she could avoid jail if she apologised for being selfish, shut the salon and paid a fine.

But Luther refused, saying “feeding my kids is not selfish”.

She would only have needed to close the salon until Friday, because the state plans to allow them to reopen then.

Luther was fined $7,000 (£5,652) and warned that she would be fined a further $500 a day from now until Friday if the business continued to remain open.

Judge Eric Moyé told Luther: “The rule of law governs us. People cannot take it upon themselves to determine what they will and will not do.””

Well, it’s not my country and so not really any of my business, but as a distant observer I’ll be most disappointed in Texans if they’re so limp-wristed these days that this woman isn’t hugely compensated for this mistreatment, and rather surprised if the judge… Read more »

ChrisH29
ChrisH29
6 years ago

I was unable to read the newsletter of yesterday (5th) until this morning so apologies for the tardiness.

I have reached only the 5th paragraph and feel I have to take issue. You write,

“…the ONS’s definition of deaths “involving COVID-19” is broader than the definition of deaths from COVID-19 that’s used by the Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) and released by the Government each day. The DHSC data for England and Wales now includes deaths in the community, nut just in hospitals, but the DHSC only includes those deaths where the person in question tested positive for the virus.”

I feel that you are slightly misrepresenting the facts in that you imply in the bold section that the DHSC data are the deaths of those who have died FROM the disease, this is patently not the case. They are deaths where there was a positive diagnosis of the presence of the virus, it does not mean that Covid was the major cause of death. The signifiant difference in the two data sets is that to be included in the ONS data, as per U07.2, the patient only needs to be suspected of having been infected. In… Read more »

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

New update for today on the excellent Swiss site, swprs.org, with a number of great links:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Thank you; this is definitely one of the most cogent and useful sites. Well laid out and replete with succinct summaries for the sceptics

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Yes, I’ve been anxiously refreshing it daily for the past week, worried that they might have stopped posting, as they hadn’t updated since 25th April and had been much more frequent previously. Great relief to see them update again today.

SteveB
SteveB
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

That site is gold dust!

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  SteveB

Sure is!

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago
Reply to  SteveB

Isn’t just, the amount of people I’ve slapped down with sources from there, they literally go off with their tails between their legs never to be seen again

Mimi
Mimi
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I visit that one daily too, in the hopes of finding more science. Today’s update is especially damning, and doesn’t even mention the super-manipulative stuff in the SAGE report from back in March.

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago

EVERYBODY – WATCH THIS – NOW!

https://plandemicmovie.com/

(If it’s not been censored!)

Terrifying – obscene – but ultimately – HOPE!!

Note the quotation at the end of the film’s overview; this had never occurred to me before:

“2020 (20/20) is the code for perfect vision….it may also be the year which will go down in history as the moment we finally opened our eyes.”

Cbird
Cbird
6 years ago
GLT
GLT
6 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

What a great discussion of our daily relationship with risk and mortality.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

https://order-order.com/2020/05/06/experts-respond-government-nhs-app-rebuttal/

The app is not apping as it should: Guido is on the case

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

App-reciated!

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
coalencanth12
coalencanth12
6 years ago

Someone on here put us onto the twitter of Mason Mills, who is this sinister character? His Tweets are cryptic but suggest some insider knowledge and he is followed by a few journalists. Is he one of the Dominic Cummings brigade?

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago
Reply to  coalencanth12

Yes I think he is one of Cummings brigade. Throughout last year he was calling stuff before they was happening and I mean spot on as if he was in the mix

coalencanth12
coalencanth12
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

Cheers thought so!

Disgruntled
Disgruntled
6 years ago

I read something in the Mail today that blew me away (had to jump on the ONS site to confirm the numbers). As of the 24th April, how many people under the age of 45 have died in the UK?

332.

That’s 332 out of nearly 30k deaths. 332 out of nearly 200k confined cases. 332 out of God knows how many actual cases (5, 10, 15 million?).

Only considering confirmed cases, that puts the CFR at around 0.17% for <45s, keeping in mind that hospitalisations will not be representative of the population by age. If, say, we've actually had 2 million infections, that puts the under 45s IFR at 0.02%.

Based on this there is no excuse for keeping a vast swath of the working population under house arrest for a day longer.

Bob
Bob
6 years ago
Reply to  Disgruntled

Confirmed case is a much more informative way of describing someone who as tested positive from the PCR test, rather than just a case.

Bob
Bob
6 years ago
Reply to  Bob

Also, from the total death spreadsheet at https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths, up to 28th April, 215 people younger than 60 and without a pre-existing condition have died with covid. This is 1.1% of the total!

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Bob

When the count is that low it starts to become quite likely that they had an undiagnosed pre-existing condition anyway.

Sim18
Sim18
6 years ago

Interesting interview with Prof Streeck of Bonn University
https://unherd.com/thepost/german-virologist-finds-covid-fatality-rate-of-0-24-0-36/

ShropshireLass
ShropshireLass
6 years ago

On the subject of the danger of the UK morphing into a police state: I had always been a bit of a ‘Goody goody’ – former school prefect and all that. 8 days ago on one of my village walkabouts I observed what appeared to be a drug deal taking place. Tried ringing police but line was engaged, so when I got home I emailed the local Neighbourhood Police Team: ‘This may be helpful general information relating to some suspicious behaviour observed yesterday late afternoon, involving 3 – 7 males. (Not related to covid-19). When they have time, could a local police officer give me a ring on my ex-directory landline: XXX and I’ll relate what I saw. Some information may help future patrols to be on the alert for these people & vehicles and make their own observations if they know where to look.’ FOUR days later I get this reply: ‘Can you please let the Team known the nature of the suspicious behaviour and where it was seen? It is possible that it was also a breach of the COVID-19 measures as your stated that it involved 3-7 males. If they are not from the same household, then… Read more »

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  ShropshireLass

Your drug of choice is a cream tea. Mine is ludicrously still illegal in the UK.

Now where is my teensy weensy violin … ?

GLT
GLT
6 years ago

It’s a bit unfair as it is not their main focus, however this story ran in today’s Telegraph. It is beyond satire.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/rise-mobility-could-trigger-deadlier-second-wave-infections/

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago

They are not rolling out antibody tests because desperate people would attempt to catch it to stave off imminent starvation (and also it’d show it’s a lie and most of us have already had it)

GLT
GLT
6 years ago

In addition to their failure to realise that the health of the economy is linked to real life health, lives and well-being, those who say ‘better to do something than not’ completely fail to recognise that the ‘rainy day pot’ has been blown on a summer shower. When a pathogen emerges that does have a 9% IFR rate and is genuinely terrifying they will wonder why the government cannot afford to pay them to stay at home. We have to hope that if/when this occurs our economy has had a semblance of recovery.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  GLT

Totally agree – except for the fact that there is no rainy day pot.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  GLT

The reality is that politicians will always prefer to act than not to act, because you get blamed for inaction anyway, and the blame for inaction seen as costly is much worse than the blame for action that is much more costly. Consider the original US “Swine Flu SNAFU” in 1976, when Gerald Ford and his advisers, in the face of divided advice, chose action over inaction, with disastrous consequences:

https://www.irememberjfk.com/swine-flu-scare-the-1976-version/

The question is, how do we encourage a society and a government in which this tendency is minimised? Clearly, not the way we currently run things….

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

‘No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy,’ said Von Moltke. Our so-called ‘plans’ for dealing with the outbreak have not survived contact with COVID-19.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-unravelling-the-uncertainties/
Interesting article from the Oxford Evidence Based Group. Serious concern that there could be an unknown co-infection with Covid-19

ianric
ianric
6 years ago

The coronavirus situations raises numerous questions.

1) Is the government being dishonest when releasing figures for the number of people who have died from coronavirus? Are people being classed as dying from coronavirus when no tests were done? Are people testing positive for Coronvirus after death but didn’t develop any symptoms and died of something else. For instance, Eddie Large recently died and had a history of heart problems and the news said he tested positive for coronavirus. Did Eddie Large die of heart problems without developing coronavirus? We are given daily figures for the number who have died from Coronavirus. The impression is given the number have died on the same day when in reality the deaths have occurred over a period of time and it may be some time before deaths are officially recorded. For instance, the government says 700 people have died today which gives the scary impression large numbers of people are dying on the same day when in reality the deaths have occurred over a long period of time. The government doesn’t say this. If I remember correctly the doctors from California whose video was banned said doctors are under pressure to put coronavirus as… Read more »

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  ianric

1) It does actually make sense to just record “had covid” on death certificates as it is often a matter of judgment what an old person actually died of. If they hadn’t had heart disease, maybe they would have survived Covid, or vice versa, etc. So for consistency of data (also when comparing different countries), just record whether they tested postive for Covid or not. Then you look at the total number of deaths months later, compare it to historical averages, and look at the number who had Covid, vs excess deaths that didn’t have Covid. This is the best data you can expect to get.

So the number who died with Covid is not the number who died “of” Covid and should not be used to estimate fatality rates. But it is what you should record and it has its uses.

2) In the early days it certainly looked like it was much more fatal, but as more data arrives, we have found it’s probably 10 or 20 times less so. The fatality rate tells us two things: how many people might die, but, more importantly, we can use it to infer where we are in the course… Read more »

Ianric
Ianric
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

When we are given daily figures for the number who have supposedly died from coronavirus we are not given any context such as did these people have any other serious medical conditions and it is uncertain whether they died with or from coronavirus.

Sunchap
Sunchap
6 years ago

Getting hilarious here in New Zealand. All of our 15 dead have had serious underlying medical conditions. It would appear Covid19 has killed no one.Our PM was predicting 80,000 dead and claims her lockdown saved tens of thousands from death. And Kiwis believe her. OMG, I am ashamed of my country.

Our Police have admitted that their legal advice was that the lockdown was unlawful. Prior laws only allowed for quarantining of the sick. The police had refused to let a man visit his (now dead) father in a rest home…

The thing that makes me laugh the most is journalists twisting the Swedish stats. “600 dead out of 10 million is TWICE AS BAD per capita as Norway”. The actual statistical difference is tiny ie about 0.1% IFR versus 0.2% IFR. Ferguson was predicting tens of thousands woul.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Sunchap

And why are they only comparing Scandinavia to Scandinavia? Cause er last I checked there are PLENTY of countries all around the world whose figures are way worse whilst also having been in lockdown

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Wanted to ask, what’s happening in poor countries that can’t socially distance (say, slums or shanty towns) and haven’t got our medical infrastructure or hygiene even, what’s happening in those places?

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Mass deaths – but not from Covid, from starvation due to loss of any form of employment due to the Lockdown. This is possibly the biggest scandal arising from this Lockdown pandemic.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Life expectancy is about 60 in such places at the best of times and Covid-19 is going to be the least of your worries.

Oaks79
Oaks79
6 years ago

You’re a politician facing a crisis. The media and your own experts tell you to pursue Policy X. Within weeks, you see Policy X is not just wrong but a fiasco. It worsens the problem. It has terrible side effects. It displaces policies that might actually work. BUT. BUT…

The media still LOVES Policy X. And thus the public does too. Your poll numbers have never been higher.

So what do you do? How do you get away from Policy X without admitting your mistake? Or do you at all?

After all, you’re not a saint. You’re a politician.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1257518722794823681?s=19

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

Yes exactly. This is the hugest arse covering exercise possibly in history

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Yep – R’s used to cover arses!

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

What will the ‘R’ number be for this debacle?

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Oaks79

Desperately get my agents to hurriedly dig up some dirt on the advisory panel, hit the jackpot when you discover your chief adviser is a sexually incontinent hypocrite and throw him to the Daily Mail. That’s what I’d do.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Agree, but I’d choose the Sun for a memorable headline and hopefully Rod Liddle could do a number

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

My favourite comment to date is: cockdown or cockup?

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I believe it was the Telegraph that revealed his hypocrisy.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I know, but I think the Mail will run with the moral outrage, infidelity, shagging, hypocrite, it’s right up their alley.

ianp
ianp
6 years ago

Genuine question to anyone qualified… So my partner works in the NHS, got ill a month or so ago. A covid ward patient coughed in her face! Got tested for covid- positive. Probable double dose and her immune system in general isn’t great so she has been laid low but recovering.

I haven’t been social distancing at all, I knew that was all bollocks. So I would think I must have had it. No doubt. Didn’t even bother quarantining myself of course.

No symptoms, no real surprise, I am generally very healthy, plenty of exercise, sun, and never get sick.

But, being an (almost) ex smoker I am a regular vaper. In fact, I vape like a demon… Especially recently.

I read somewhere that the percentage of those critically ill that were smokers was remarkably small and so that it could be an anti-viral?

Is there any potential proof or science behind this? I probably doubt it but If so, having endured the disapproving tutting of certain people for a long time from the killjoys wanting to control your life, this would be the delicious of all delicious ironies in this sorry mess.

GLT
GLT
6 years ago
Reply to  ianp

As far as I know just a statistical observation from a group of French hospital patients. I imagine any studies to properly establish a link will take a long time. The French doctor leading the study made an off-hand comment that smoking might reduce your chances of ending up in ICU but might worsen your chances of survival if you did end up there. Sorry!

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  GLT

Cheers for that! So a relevant question would be the degree to which it would reduce risk of ICU compared to increase risk of death if you end up there. Either way, it will take a hell of a long time to come out, and would be so politically incorrect…At least I don’t have to worry about herd panic buying of vape juice anytime soon… 🙂

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  ianp

The French doctor did add that the figures were ‘remarkable’ or ‘noteworthy’, some such word.
(Admission of interest – I smoke tobacco. 🙂 ) .

Steve Austin
Steve Austin
6 years ago

‘Who would have thought that Neil Ferguson’s downfall was the result of spending too long pouring over Staats’

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve Austin

Brilliant!

He’s assumed until recently the position as de facto head of the Covid Stasi :(Staatssicherheitsdienst, SSD

How are the mighty fallen.

Mark Hunter
Mark Hunter
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve Austin

Nicely done.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

Agreed ;the Imperial Emperor has no clothes.

Think of the damage suffered by farmers when his BSE predictions were avidly acted upon: millions of animals slaughtered, farmers losing their livelihoods,horrible scenes of mass pyres for animal carcases.

I recall watching experienced vets in tears, having had to take young calves away to be shot.

Yet since then he has enjoyed the same influence. Why?

The trouble is that as others have said, monumental cock ups like this are usually brushed aside and the perpetrators quietly moved sideways or overseas, rarely losing the income and prospects suffered by the public at large.

An investigation is called for, but whom could we trust as an impartial adjudicator?

Roger Tame
Roger Tame
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Justice Sumption, Toby Young, Dr John Lee?

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago

So, given that the architect of the entire global panic clearly is by no means afraid of….. ‘no immunity after recovery…..possibility of reinfection……virus can stay on surfaces for months……….more nuttiness……….’ why should anyone else in the world have the slightest concern about this coronavirus, just like they don’t about the common cold, also caused by coronaviruses…….oh….there’s a thought there somewhere……it couldn’t just be another common cold coronavirus…….could it……..consider the possibility………and the implications……….

Oh for heaven’s sake!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAg1s1ByYfM

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago

Tucker Carlson last night opened with the Professor Pantsdown carry on story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFNvcw12d08

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

That’s a great riff by Tucker Carlson on coronavirus hypocrisy in politicians and journalists. I would challenge anyone to resist the urge to vomit when they see Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau sanctimoniously telling people that staying home is “what Jesus would do”, followed by promptly jetting off to see his own family, or CNN anchor Chris Cuomo condemning people sitting in the sun as “fools” and berating them for not considering other people, after himself having gotten caught roaming around outside WHILE INFECTED without mask or gloves when he claimed to be quarantining himself.

kvnmoore561
kvnmoore561
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Shocking hypocrisy! To be fair, I didn’t hear Trudeau say it’s what Jesus would do, maybe I missed it, but as a Christian I find it hard not to get frustrated by people like that selectively using Jesus, especially to manipulate people and especially since he clearly doesn’t know what Jesus did, namely healing lepers by touching them, not by isolating Himself from them!

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  kvnmoore561

No, you are right he didn’t explicitly say that and I shouldn’t have put it in quotes as though it was a direct quote. That was Tucker Carlson’s hyperbole based on Trudeau’s overall message.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

TC’s book ‘Ship of Fools: How a Selfish Ruling Class Is Bringing America to the Brink of Revolution’ is a great read https://tinyurl.com/y7z2fw5h

Mark Burkes
Mark Burkes
6 years ago

Just arrived here after Lionel Shriver mention on Brendan O’Neill’s podcast. Keep up the good work. I don’t engage with mainstream media, TV, newspaper or radio, so it takes me some time to discover new sources of information worth considering.

Bob
Bob
6 years ago

Where in the PNAS/Cambridge paper does it say September for being on China? (Apologies if it’s obvious!)

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  Bob

The Prof. says it here, expanding regarding the paper (which contains the map supporting his conclusions):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQQf2yoymu0

ianp
ianp
6 years ago

Here is something else I noticed when herding the sheep on a BBC message board yesterday.

People are now equating Cases = fatalities as almost the same thing.

Yup! I detect it in the comments… We have got the most cases! Then the personal bollocks like because they personally got it, were a bit ill, then recovered means that they are a victim who needs the Samaritans help line or something.

Then the insidious notion that an asymptomatic person is somehow ‘unhealthy’ and must be rooted out.

It goes with what I noted from the BBC propaganda machine : the aim is to have ‘no cases’. It’s just mind-blowing

A lot of people are not prepared to the unplugged from their fantasy world ye

giblets
giblets
6 years ago
Reply to  ianp

Yep, have you noticed when the NHS deaths started dropping, they started including the care home cases, as they have started dropping, they have now gone on to cases. Which is great, because we have upped the testing, there are a lot more cases!
Once that finished, they will look at Serological testing, as that number will be huge. Then they will tell us that it was a waste of time and the death rate was too low, how stupid were the politicians were.

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  giblets

Yes. And take zero responsibility themselves. I truly hope this day of retribution comes soon

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  ianp

It’s mad isn’t it, a bit like ‘number of red heads have quadrupled in a week, says person who has just quadrupled their counting of red heads’.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

Dr Strangelove returns, complete with shaggy dog story: you couldn’t make it up!

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