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Time to Hit Pause on Net Zero

by Dr John Fernley
2 September 2022 1:30 PM

The present energy crisis has seen massive increases in the costs of electricity and gas and petrol. If there is a silver lining in this particular cloud it is that it has focussed the public’s attention on the need for the country to have a sensible energy policy. Unfortunately, we do not have that. Following his conversion to eco-zealotry, Boris Johnson set out the U.K.’s Energy Strategy earlier this year. This committed us to generating the majority of our electricity from renewables by 2030 but, as everyone knows, renewables are unreliable. So if they become the main source of our energy then what will happen on days when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine? The answer is either we will have frequent and widespread power cuts or electricity bills will have to rise to pay for expensive back-up measures.

National Grid statistics for last year showed that on average renewables produced 22% of our energy, but this varied greatly, some days it was as high as 40% and other days as low as 5%. At the moment the grid can cope with these large swings in output because at 22% renewables are still only a relatively small part of the energy mix. As the contribution from renewables goes up or down then the contribution from gas-fired power stations is scaled down or up and this keeps everything balanced. But if, as foreseen in the Energy Strategy, renewables increase to 70% and gas-fired power stations are closed, then there is simply no way to compensate for the large variations in renewable output.

To appreciate the scale of the problem, the National Grid statistics show that in 2021 there were two periods when there was a prolonged and very large shortfall in the output from renewables, the nine days between February 27th and March 7th and the five days between December 17th and 21st. These dates corresponded to periods of low wind speed and because they occurred in the winter then solar made little contribution because most of the time in the winter in the U.K. there is no sun; it is dark. If in 2021 we had been relying on renewables for 70% of our electricity and our gas-fired power stations had been closed, then the energy shortfall during each of these periods would have been enormous, 2,000-3,000 gigawatt-hours (GWh). This is equivalent to the whole of the U.K. being without electricity for several days. Power cuts of this magnitude would have a devastating impact on people’s lives. Homes would be without lights and refrigerators and in many cases heating and hot water. Businesses and national infrastructure, such as transport and communications, would all be seriously affected.

Supporters of renewables blithely talk about energy storage technology improving and coming to the rescue. They talk of progress in batteries and green hydrogen, liquid air and pumped hydro etc. All these storage technologies have potential but at the moment they are expensive and way too small. There is no guarantee that they will ever be capable of giving us low-cost, long-term energy storage with a capacity at the level of thousands of GWh. Likewise interconnectors – cables connecting us to other European countries – are too small-scale to cope with this level of energy shortfall and, even if the capacity could be increased, do we want our electricity supply to depend on the goodwill of our European neighbours? There is also talk of giant solar farms in the Sahara Desert that are connected to the U.K. via undersea cable from Morocco. But again, do we want our energy security to depend on others, in this case the countries of North Africa?

So if the Government pushes ahead with its Energy Strategy, of making us reliant on renewables, then either people will have to accept frequent and lengthy power cuts or the Government will have to come up with a back-up measure other than wishful thinking about energy storage, interconnectors and Saharan solar farms. At the moment the only viable option would appear to be paying the energy companies to keep open the gas-fired power stations. This option is costly; in essence the country would be running two parallel energy generation systems, a renewable one for when it is windy and sunny, and a fossil-fuel based one for when it is calm and cloudy.

In an excellent article in a recent Daily Sceptic it was proposed that wind and solar farm operators must in future guarantee that, every hour of every day, they will supply a certain level of power to the National Grid. So when the wind isn’t blowing or the sun isn’t shining it will not be the taxpayer but the wind or solar farm operator who will be responsible for providing the back-up measures needed to keep the power flowing. If this was done then we would very soon find out the true cost of renewables.

There is an option other than renewables. If we want to keep our Net Zero commitment but have a stable energy supply then nuclear power may be the better way forward. At the moment nuclear power is expensive, but Rolls Royce is developing a new generation of smaller modular reactors that it is hoped will be cheaper. If these are successful then an alternative Energy Strategy would be to keep open our gas-fired power stations as a transition whilst we build up our nuclear capacity.

Any pause in the Net Zero programme will of course provoke a storm of protest from the usual suspects. But even for those who agree with the general direction of travel of Net Zero there is the question of why is the U.K. in such a rush? We are an insignificant 1% of the world’s CO2 emissions. Three countries account for half the world’s CO2 emissions, China 29%, USA 14% and India 7%.  These three countries have far larger carbon footprints than us yet are moving much more slowly to decarbonise. For example, we are proposing to close our fossil fuel power stations whilst these three countries are still building new ones! We are proposing to ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars in 2030 while China is not proposing a ban until 2035 and India is not proposing any ban at all. In the USA it is left to individual states, for example California and New York are proposing bans in 2035 but Florida and Texas are again not proposing any bans at all.

If the U.K. achieved Net Zero tomorrow we are so insignificant that it would make no difference to the CO2 levels in the Earth’s atmosphere. All that is being achieved by our Government’s rush to Net Zero is to adopt bad policies and inflict needless pain on the British people. If we wish to keep to our Net Zero commitment then so be it, although there is no clear democratic mandate for this since all three main political parties support it so it is barely possible to protest. But if we must, at least let us stop the political posturing, the desire to be world leaders, and instead let’s settle for a more sensible and modest goal, namely matching our rate of decarbonisation to that of the major CO2 emitting countries.

Dr. John Fernley is a retired scientist.

Tags: Fossil fuelsGasNet ZeroRenewable energySolar PowerWind Power

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mm99
mm99
3 years ago

Sweet Jesus. These women may as well have been in the Congo.

A pregnant woman dying at home of a UTI without seeing a doctor? Poor, poor girl. What a horrific death.

Great job NHS. Great job Boris.

I feel quite violent, actually.

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emel
emel
3 years ago
Reply to  mm99

But then Our NHS is the envy of the Third World.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  emel

Vice versa, surely?

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

One can argue about whether or not to call Russia “third world” – although I know some “Russia specialists” who do call it that – but the general view among those who compare GPs or primary care services or equivalents between the two countries is that primary care medics in Britain often aren’t even skilled enough to carry out very basic procedures that all of their equivalents in Russia know like the backs of their hands – and that as well as being incompetent lying oafs they’re cocky with it.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I had one of your “I read it as . . .” moments Annie

‘Our NHS is the enemy of the third world,’
(Apologies to emel).

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  emel

Half the NHS staff are from the Third World. Cheap labour.

“These women may as well have been in the Congo.”

Pop into a hospital in the UK and have a look at the staff and judge for yourself are they really ‘qualified’.

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porgycorgy
porgycorgy
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I can only judge by my experience in Guys, London. The people you are talking about nearly killed me. Clueless about proper nursing care. Other opinions are probably available…. and also, it depends on the setting – private hospitals are much better managed.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  porgycorgy

I’m glad you survived, @porgycorgy. The extremely low levels of competence and management in the NHS are evident to everyone who is able to notice stuff and reflect on it, but … who should we vote for if we do notice this? No political party recognises any of it.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

It’s run for the convenience of staff, with the “highest”(most removed from patient care) levels of staff having the most convenience.

I’d guess about 20% of the staff hold it together from the 80% dross.

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
3 years ago
Reply to  porgycorgy

My eldest child was born at Guys. I remember needing the loo while my wife was in labour and going into the toilet next door to the delivery room. It was indescribably filthy to the point where I thought I would vomit. I had to go up two floors before I found one that was even usable.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Plenty of time to muck around during a ‘pandemic’ of such seriousness that all international borders had to be closed (and remain effectively closed), and people had to stay at home under threat of being fined by the Police.
Have a look at this lot without face masks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM9PRY82zng

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Sorry but those “dancing nurses” videos make me feel physically ill.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

That’s the idea!

On the boaters’ forum one of the idiots has been trying to convince me that the nurses did it in their spare time (coffee/lunch breaks) and need to cheer themselves up from all of the acute stress they’d been suffering from at ‘the front line’.

I note there are only one or two of these videos on YouTube now – they’ve been deleting them. Censorship again. Out of being ‘caught red handed’ I assume.

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Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Good job that in many of those videos NHS staff were wearing masks because their participation in those videos will turn out to be sooooo embarrassing !

Also interesting that in some of the videos NHS staff are not wearing masks, but I guess that was in the 2020 dark ages before The Science.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  porgycorgy

I’m a frequent flyer, and can compare. Rubbish.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I’m not surprised at the down votes re. my comment aimed at brainless generalization. It is symptomatic of a recent trend of irrelevancy and peddling of hobby-horses in BTL comments.

In this case, a thoughtful article rooted in the issue of distorted data quickly resulted in a mass of generalized and inaccurate whinge-fest about the NHS.

The hobby-horse is ridden into the ground.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Your comment is going to be unpopular but the truth is not trendy these days.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

It’s a time of universal deceit

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Several years ago I called an ambulance to take my son to an NHS hospital in an emergency after he injured his head in an accident. He was about 7 or 8 at the time. (He had minor concussion but he was OK.)

  • When I said I would travel in the ambulance with my son rather than follow by car the paramedics in the ambulance kept asking how we were going to get back to the house (which was my aunt’s house, where we were on holiday) from the hospital and they kept saying they weren’t a taxi service. (Obviously I didn’t expect them to bring us back to the house, a job for which I called a real taxi – I am well aware what ambulances are for – but that was their attitude.)
  • A paramedic lowered a step for me at the back of the ambulance, without asking whether I needed it, and when I didn’t use it she tut-tutted as though I was exploiting her and ungrateful.
  • At the hospital, we were kept waiting for two hours while a group of nurses stood nearby attending to some sh*t on a computer screen.
  • When I stood up in the waiting room, mainly so that everyone could see us, we were asked to move to an inner waiting room.
  • The nurse who stitched my son up seemed well-mannered and competent – about the only person we met who was.
  • There was no water machine, but bottled water was on sale at a high price.
  • A medic who came to see us when we were leaving couldn’t speak English properly and read a few points from a card she held in front of her, including things like “Contact uz eef he or she experieyeeces proplemms, yes?” Because she couldn’t speak English properly I couldn’t understand about a quarter of what she was saying, but when I asked her what she had just said, she held the card so I could see it and then I did understand. Her tone of voice in any case suggested she was just reading stuff for reasons of formality and insurance, similar to how a police officer might read an arrestee their “Miranda” rights.
  • They gave us a card with their number on it, on the back of which was an advert for a solicitor’s firm. I said something to the competent nurse about selling space on the back of hospital cards, and he said oh no, the solicitor didn’t buy the space – the solicitor had actually had the cards printed “for us”, and the hospital allowed him to advertise on them because he had agreed to tell them if any patients came to him wanting to bring cases against the hospital and he had agreed not to represent such patients.
  • When we returned to the hospital to have my son’s stitches removed, the nurse who removed them (a different nurse from the one who put them in) moaned her flaming t*ts off the WHOLE time she was doing it, because she assumed that since our home address was in a different area we must have had the stitches put in in another area too, and she wanted to show us how deeply she begrudged removing them. She was less than competent at picking the bits of thread out, and she kept complaining that people put them in differently in other areas. She showed absolutely no care for the feelings of my young son at this time, and was obviously unsuited to the job.

But wait – let’s all follow the prime minister and clap and be “grateful”.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Can you tell just by looking?

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

I do go by appearances, but that’s because my experience tells me I’m usually right to do that. I take people as they come.
“Just because you are born in a stable does not make you a horse”.

I think I am clever enough to quickly latch on to whether someone is liable to be competent or not.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

as it seems are a large amount of the patients…

Another (of the vast number) reason why insurance is better is that the hospital checks who’s paying rather than slinging the bill to their fellow citizens.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I ‘pop’ in frequently – unfortunately.

Utter nonsense.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I’ve had several in-patient hospital stays recently so ward staff dealimg with a variety of ailments and general medicine.

Never once have I felt my nursing care to be less than first rate. As you suggest, about half are from Developing Nations, primarily Philippinas. Their main problem seems to be dealing with cantankerous old X Services who seem to think verbal bullying of young nurses is all part of the NHS Experience.

They like to come over all Sergent Major boombastik but I got Harry’s number when he started boasting about being X SAS and told him so.

The other one liked to summons juniors (loudly) and berate them about things that are none of their concern (catering/med doses/bus routes maybe) yet when he gets an answer he calls the next one, loudly, with the same complaint.
I shouted at him to pack it in, which he did, being a coward.
My support for the ward staff does not extend to management. I could go on but I’m tired.

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godders
godders
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

A lot probably come from the Congo.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

The downtickers don’t know the elephant in the room within what is now “Women’s Services” and what was “Obs and Gobs” is the extent of language challenged, poorly trained by historic standards staff and the extent of upheld complaints – it is not just about trawling other countries hospitals, but most definitely is a reduction in training standards as well as whole swathes of experienced clinicians who have left in the last decade, never to return.

And it is also the case that the NHS is, has been for decades, very reluctant to address treatment tourism from the third world and elsewhere for fear of being branded as racist – I could say a load more but daren’t – dealing with pregnant women, who cannot speak English adequately, in acute medical situations is patently very difficult…

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Gefion
Gefion
3 years ago
Reply to  186NO

I taught in FE and we had students who came from other parts of the world ostensibly to study but there was a noticeable percentage who also had babies, joint replacements, cataracts fixed etc. There were language difficulties so I know what you mean.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  emel

A neighbour of mine whom I stopped talking to a few years ago used to say “Britain’s health service is the best in the world”. There is no teaching some people.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

I am 100% for a properly-run National Health Service – it’s a sign that a country is ‘civilised’.
However, it isn’t run well, and how can it be when you see what kind of greedy snouts-in-the-trough politicians are responsible for it? They have already flogged most of the NHS off to private ‘providers’.
The Conservative Party sees the NHS as being ‘for the plebs’ – in their eyes the poor should just stop whinging of hunger, being cold, and illness, and just die in the gutters. The rich will go to their private doctors and hospitals.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I think extortion funded treatment rationing is the opposite of civilised!

Especially when it incentivises poor health by punishing people for work

Simply put he NHS is the worst treatment, funded in the worst way, with the worst incentives.

It’s a civilisation destroyer.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  mm99

I’ll clap for my carers.

As the NHS did not care i will not clap for them!

It’s notional, not national health system.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
3 years ago

Excellent article. Please, dear anonymous pregnant woman, could you also investigate the scary stories that pregnant women are being given about miscarriages/still births etc?

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Deborah T
Deborah T
3 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

And, to clarify, what I meant by the above, is the scary stories of miscarriages/still births being higher amongst the ‘unvaccinated’. As there are also claims that in fact the opposite is the case, it would be good to investigate this further as well.

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godders
godders
3 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

Stop relying on others do your own research – for example into the Pfizer trials and their attempt to hush up the truth about their experimental gene therapy’s effects on pregant women.
Try this link for starters:
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/01/19/foia-docs-reveal-pfizer-shot-caused-avalanche-of-miscarriages-stillborn-babies/

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
3 years ago

Excellent work by your reader – well done Will for popping onto the news feed.

Lets hope this madness changes soon. I can’t imagine how annoying it must be to belong to a Mum’s group, most of whom are Covid mad!

I went on a film shoot yesterday which was massively hampered by idiots taking tests then having to go absent halfway through the shoot! I was asked to do a test beforehand and I refused, like I always have. It’s the main driving force behind this madness now.

I guess a positive (ha!) was that many more people didn’t care and stayed on to finish the day’s work.

when I returned home after a 3 hour drive, I received an email from another colleague saying they’d got home, done a test, and they’re positive. My thoughts were – why take a test? And….oh. Don’t care.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Covid didn’t kill them. The National Hell Service did.

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TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
3 years ago

Strikes me that all NHS “data” is essentially worthless, but extremely expensive in terms of monetary cost and patient suffering.

Patient outcomes would be far better if the NHS did away with data gathering, statistics, digitisation, databases, charts, graphs, awareness (propaganda) campaigns, initiatives and all the rest, and put this effort into actual, hands on, patient care.

Those stories are tragic, but not surprising. There is a thread somewhere on mumsnet about medical care as experienced by women, which is utterly shocking and illustrates how poorly women are treated by the medical profession – ignored, patronised, trivialised.

Those poor women and babies, the fear they must have felt. God rest their souls.

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Margaret
Margaret
3 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

Totally agree, particularly with your second paragraph. I’ve watched the statistics from my local, very large hospital. Some weeks deaths have gone up by 100%- meaning they’ve increased from 1 to 2. Not so scary when they use absolute numbers.

We’ve known from the very beginning, from Twitty, the Diamond Princess and the Theodore Roosevelt, that we were not all vulnerable to this, but governments have treated us all as if we were.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Great comment. I routinely bore people with this very observation. The Diamond Princess data was especially useful given the nature of it; old people trapped on a floating petri dish etc. All totally ignored in favour of a panic-inducing narrative.

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V Detta
V Detta
3 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

To me, the lessons that were clear from the Diamond Princess were an opportunity to get things right yet ignored. Not everyone was going to get CV-19 – but we were told to act as though we had it even if we didn’t. Another fallacy which drove the power mad narrative was asymptomatic transmission. Things will never be the same again and it didn’t have to be that way.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  TheTartanEagle

It’s probably a common problem that systems requirements are created by accountants for accountants not the use of medical staff being a distant second.

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m vendee
m vendee
3 years ago

Depressing reading

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago

Absolutely shocking information. Meanwhile the mainstream media is tackling transphobia and climate change as the major threats to our society.

However, I am not surprised. Recently my 81yo mother developed pneumonia and her doctor refused to visit until she had conducted a PCR test. A negative lateral flow test was dismissed as useless by the doctor.

My sister had to drive her to a special clinic designated as some kind of medical clearing house, where they quickly diagnosed pneumonia after conducting their own covid test.

My sister then had to take her to A&E at another hospital where there was a three hour delay seeing a doctor while they waited on the results of yet another PCR test.

Once seen by the doctor and x-rayed she was again diagnosed with pneumonia and given antibiotics etc.

My mother was lucky. My sister was on hand and is quite forceful in getting treatment for our mother. Quite how a non-English speaking pregnant woman would fare in all of this is anyone’s guess, especially if doctors will not see them face to face.

This is one of the many examples of the true cost of our two-year experiment in top-down, politically-driven responses to a pseudo-pandemic that discarded decades of sensible medical practice.

However, a day of reckoning is needed for our medical fraternity. My mother received good treatment from the doctor at the hospital when she was finally seen. The local GP was literally worthless.

Our family are acutely aware we have no one to complain to. The local MP will not care. The BMA are a trade union whose job is to look out for doctors’ interests. None of this really works.

But a day of reckoning is needed.

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John
John
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Having worked in Leicester, where there are at least 95 different languages/dialects spoken it’s an absolute nightmare to try and communicate SAFELY with patients who don’t speak English. There were times I reverted to using Google translate! If the patient is from India there are usually staff around who can speak to them in Hindi or Gujarati, but it’s the Eastern European languages or African languages that probably pose the biggest challenge. Languageline is available but it means the patient has to be seen face to face in person.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  John

There is obviously a broader debate needed about the effects of mass immigration. We all generally buy into the notion we treat human beings if they need it and politely ignore their immigration status. But our nationalized health system was designed for a different world and a different time. Your comment is a reflection of how seemingly unrelated political decisions have unintended consequences. And it is us who pay for those consequences.

At the hospital A&E I recently spent time at there were a number of foreign nationals waiting around. A young man sitting opposite me was jabbering on his phone in Arabic, although he did seem to speak good English.

But we need to recast discussions about mass immigration in these terms. There is a human and economic cost. The entire debate has been presented exclusively in cultural terms, that rejection of huge numbers of foreigners is some cosmic test of our decency. But these practical effects need to be part of the debate.

I hope the young Arab man’s friend in A&E got the treatment he needed, but who is paying for it? What is the cost in terms of treatment, translators and other factors? Why are we unable to discuss this in a rational manner?

What a world.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

We need urgent discussion and action, predictions are 65,000 per year and that’s just the dinghy crew

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

The English channel crossers are the sideshow. It is the 600,000+ flying in via Heathrow each year we need to discuss. Although you are correct, people washing up on the southern coast should be stopped. A handful of Type 45 destroyers would bring it to a swift end.

More importantly, in a country with millions unemployed, why do we need any foreigners?

My favourite statement from history that sums up my view was from Charles De Gaulle when asked about France’s foreign policy objectives; our focus is France first, everyone else is a distant second.

I refuse to have these practical issues overlayed with vague claptrap about racism, decolonisation or culture. This is our homeland and mass immigration is affecting every aspect of it’s functioning.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

With you totally.

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John
John
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

A&E and Urgent Care Centres provide treatment free to everyone, irrespective of country of residence. It is on admission that it is only “free” for U.K. residents, other residencies have to pay.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Thanks for this. I wasn’t sure how it worked.

I dimly remember an article from about ten years ago discussing the issue of medical tourism in London hospitals. They were then employing “administrators” to monitor foreign nationals and, where needed, send them on their way.

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JIGR1969
JIGR1969
3 years ago
Reply to  John

That sounds good in principle, but in practice it is meaningless. Having spoken to a number of financial directors at large foundation trusts around the country, health tourism is a massive issue, but no one seems to want to talk about it.

Fortunately for me, these FD’s were quite lubricated at an annual gathering of hospital bigwigs, what they then talk about is quite telling.

How much time and effort do you spend trying to get £1,000 from someone in Poland or Ukraine? One FD was trying to recover over £80,000 from a woman in Africa who had used the hospital 3 times to give birth. Each time using a different name (although distinguishing features gave her away).

They can spend as much again trying to recover the original sums, which is pointless in trying to do so. Similarly to receiving a bill for £0.50 posted with a first-class stamp!

So, yes it sounds good in principle, but as always, when it comes to the practical element of it, in the real world, it falls way short.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  JIGR1969

Indeed. Tackling health tourism is really about tackling immigration itself. Perhaps strcter visa requirements just to enter the country. I believe we used to use a system where if you lacked the entry visa the airline had to manage their return, prompting them to insist on visas at the other end before you stepped on the plane.

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The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

A few years ago my wife did her ACL skiing in austria

They wouldn’t put her in the ambulance without an e111 card, proof of insurance or a valid credit card

Why can’t we do the same?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  JIGR1969

I think every entrant to the UK needs a sponsor, who’s on the hook for NHS etc.

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Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
3 years ago
Reply to  JIGR1969

In vino veritas !

– Latin for “when you’re pissed you’re more likely to blurt out stuff that you’re not supposed to say”

Having said that, we need to weigh up the cost of treatment for scammers against the cost of prevention or recovery of money. If it’s only a tiny percent of NHS budget then it may not be worth worrying about. I said “if”, I don’t know the percentage.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Apart from those who don’t – the NHS can’t be bothered to chase them up:

“NHS overseas patient’s £330,000 unpaid bill
A Public Accounts Committee report says the system for recouping costs from overseas patients is “chaotic”.

Treatment given in A&E departments is free to all, however, once you are admitted, even as an emergency, overseas visitors are chargeable.
In October, it was revealed the government was expected to fall short of its target of recovering £500m a year from overseas visitors and the Department of Health “refined” its target for 2017-18 to £346m.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38809530

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Well known that certain Trusts within the NHS are less than “meaningfully engaged” in recovering the cost of treatment of non residents who coincidentally on a trip to the UK need urgent acute medical treatment – and pregnant women is a massive issue. We need to see a breakdown of those trusts who are serial offenders , where they are geographically situated – and…… you can fill in the rest of that …

This very easily sorted: Airlines to be made financially liable for the costs of any non emergency medical treatment incurred any non UK resident who is not deemed fit to travel but does so; Passport checks must be mandatory before any NHSnon emergency treatment is given, with airport/border control technology; non UK residents to provide evidence of travel insurance covering non emergency treatment costs BEFORE entering the UK, if they are seeking non emergency medical treatment.

If anyone dares to think I am being unduly aligned to women from Africa/Middle and Far East and thinks what I outline above is biased in any way, I have experienced treatment in the EU under the former EHIC arrangements; or rather not experienced because it was rejected from the start by the medics involved due to the length of time the DWP/NHS refunded agreed costs – so we paid privately and yes we got it back but months and months later. So if the constituent members of the EU can do to the UK pre Brexit exactly what I suggest, why don’t we follow their example?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Below average wage immigration is obviously economically harmful in-tot

It’s as simple as that

Below that wage there’s an effective subsidy than is shared with the establishment via higher rents and lowered wages.

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Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Someone said that these daft COVID protocols are like throwing sand into a gearbox. They were correct.

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djmo
djmo
3 years ago

I recently saw something similar put out by my local NHS propaganda machine, saying that 98% of pregnant women admitted to intensive care in the area were unvaccinated. In that case, the relevant period was December 2020 to October 2021.

When I looked at the report behind the graphic, ‘unvaccinated’ was anyone with no jabs or within 3 weeks of their first jab.

It was only in April 2021 that the JCVI changed its advice to pregnant women, saying that they should get jabbed when their age group became eligible. For the age groups most likely to be pregnant, they wouldn’t be getting invited until well into the summer. Add in that three week period before they’re considered vaccinated, and for probably around 2/3 of the period they’re considering, the percentage of pregnant women who were unvaccinated would have been close to 100%. And that figure wouldn’t drop to 0% once it became possible for them all to join the vaccinated group either. My suspicion is that there would be higher rates of resistance within the pregnant, and that those who were close to their due date would be more likely to be in intensive care and also more likely to hold out until after the baby was born before getting jabbed. Across the whole period, what was the average percentage of pregnant women who were considered unvaccinated? I don’t know, but if it was anything close to 98%, it makes the whole thing a piece of manipulative misinformation (though, funnily enough, not the kind that social media companies are removing).

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Trabant
Trabant
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

I don’t have the references to hand but I have read reports by whistleblower OBS / gynies that miscarriage and stillbirth are up around 3 fold in vaccinated women. God help them.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

clots shots + placenta = still birth

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HaylingDave
HaylingDave
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

Yes indeed, I was about to write similar. All “adults” were finally offered a “treatment” by June 18th, 2021. In fact, sub 40 year olds weren’t offered access to “the ceremony” until middle of May, 2021.

There period above is from Feb 1st, a disgraceful slight of hand which has been used before , as we are all aware.

Sure, there would be pregnant social, front-line and care workers eligible before this, but as you’ve stated, I suspect only a statistically insignificant amount would have taken up the offer, given that it wasn’t even recommended for pregnancies.

The deaths and manner of which are absolutely awful, just heart-breaking some of the stories, and well done for putting together a piece which is unpalatable for the general public, but stories which need telling.

But the overt and obvious manipulation of the vax vs. unvaxx figures are criminal, in my humble opinion.

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Trabant
Trabant
3 years ago

Reading that report of those poor womens’ standard of care. GOD HELP US! I’ve lost even more faith in the Nazi Hell Service now!
I’ve recently purchased these books :

Last edited 3 years ago by Trabant
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Trabant
Trabant
3 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

Medical books

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

I see that one of those is a Dorling Kindersley book.
For information: DK was a company that sold its books (and other stuff) via teams of (mainly) self-employed women. Eventually the owner sold it to a big publisher who immediately squashed that entire sector of female earners (possibly since it didn’t understand the workings or couldn’t be bothered).
I know of one woman who lost something like £50k per annum overnight, followed swiftly by her husband being made redundant by his company, leaving a family of 5 with zero income.
I’ve not bought a DK book since, which is sad, because they’re generally of high quality.

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Trabant
Trabant
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

Ooh I didn’t know that about DK.
I bought that one in a charity shop.

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DS99
DS99
3 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

You’ve been downvoted for this – someone wasn’t a boy scout/girl guide and doesn’t understand about being prepared! Yes, great idea and have just purchased the medical survivor one – thanks for the suggestion.

I purchased a very large nursing text book last year and went on a herbal medicine course (and stocked up on suitable remedies/first aid items) … always good to be prepared anyway but I realised when I couldn’t see a GP last year for three weeks (and then only a phone call so that she could refer me on to a consultant) that the signs for healthcare weren’t good and being unvaccinated I might one day be shut out of traditional healthcare altogether.

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Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
3 years ago

It is sobering to realise that the horror we feel on reading this will most definitely not be shared by those benighted souls driving this insanity – the Johnsons, Sturgeons, Drakefords, Javids, Trudeaus, Arderns, and all the countless karens and dereks who shore up their inhuman diktats.

It’ll be “Yeah, but covid, pandemic, emergency!”

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  Dame Lynet

Just read pp. 44-53 of “The Real Anthony Fauci” by Robert Kennedy Jr. re info that Matt Hancock was sent re IVM. and managed to ignore. It is truly, truly shocking. Since he is a highly-rated defence lawyer you may be certain it has been gone through thoroughly, but thoroughly, with no holes in it for adverse legal action.

How many people died because of the absurd narrative put out into the media about “horse dewormer”? What a very, very stupid phrase that is, but it has been quite effective with suburban people who evince disgust at anything that connects them to those creatures called horses. The hollow dimwits omit to recognise either the beauty of horses or the connection between human beings and parasites, including worms. (Police forensic pathologists would not of course.)

I don’t think IVM is recommended for the pregnant with Covid19, but I am sure there is treatment possible with other medicines, and McCullough probably has suggestions which could be shown to a treating doctor.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

How many pregnant women have died due to vaccine complications?
How many unborn have miscarried or been affected by the vaccine?

Last edited 3 years ago by NeilofWatford
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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

The menstruation clotting problems common in women (but not those who pretend identify as) post jab will right royally FUBAR a placenta.

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

What should I recommend a friend who is pregnant and has been jabbed ‘up to date’ and is just in the second trimester? I feel awful knowing what I know, and just hope the injections were somehow ineffective.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Liberty4UK

I’m not a god-botherer but prayer is all I can think of!

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Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

God is never bothered, being above and beyond such things, and I would be a real old crock and so would my spouse had we never been prayed for by ministers with remarkable gifts, and I certainly mean remarkable. So don’t worry about that! Thanks for the answer.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

I’d note that you know about the success of a pregnancy by looking at a healthy child at their first birthday. Any data before this point is preliminary and incomplete.

We should start having information on the impact of the vaccines on the unborn child around Christmas this year, and have a fairly good understanding of the situation by the end of 2023.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

It’s like a catalogue of manslaughter and death by negligence and it is damning on MBRRACE that they have, like so many others, lied and hid the truth.

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Star
Star
3 years ago

A quick look at the graphic shows it’s all lies:

  • Lie 1. “Symptomatic Covid”

Truth 1: there is no such thing as asymptomatic Covid.

  • Lie 2. “24%” of “hospital admissions” (what a way to refer to human beings!) with “symptoms” of “Covid” had pneumonia as an “outcome”.

Truth 2: Covid always features double pneumonia. No pneumonia, no Covid.

General point of advice: stay away from medics and hospitals and nurses and midwives as much as possible.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

Another scandal, another pack of lies, and another group of people trampled on in this awful period. The attempts by media and the NHS to scare pregnant women into submitting to an experimental drug are just about as low as it’s possible to go. Heads must roll.

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Proveritate
Proveritate
3 years ago

There has been no intention to educate in any of the propaganda being given out, whether by government or health providers. If they can twist the data in order to deceive the person into getting a jab, they will do so. So there can be no ‘informed’ consent.

I see from the poster that 235 pregnant persons were admitted to intensive care from February 1 to September 30. Government reports show that only 0.4% of those were ‘fully vaccinated’, i.e. had two doses. Hardly surprising since no one in their third trimester would have time for a second dose, and there was very little take up of the vaccine until April/May, so anyone vaccinated after June would not have had time for a second dose either before the September 30 cutoff.

Anyway, 0.4% of 235 is less than 1 person, so if the vaccine was totally ineffective we would still not have expected even one ‘fully vaccinated’ person in ICU. So when the government states that none of the pregnant women in ICU were fully vaccinated, that statement is entirely consistent with a finding that the vaccine was ineffective. Certainly nothing whatsoever with statistical significance could be said about the efficacy and safety of the vaccine in pregnancy from the data, but that is not what we were told was it? We were expected to believe that because 100% of pregnant women in ICU were unvaccinated, then being unvaccinated was a BAD THING. So the data was deliberately used with an intention to deceive, to get people to draw a false conclusion.

The biggest purveyors of misinformation and disinformation have been government and government services and agencies.

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Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
3 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

Which is very, very sad indeed. If government and government services and agencies are not trusted then people are driven into the arms of conspiracy theorists and quacks.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
3 years ago

We haven’t got a national health service. We’ve got the NHS.

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

Ahem. OUR NHS, don’t forget.

Now get out there and rattle those pots and pans!

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Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

On 28th January 2022 I saw an article on UK Column which said it was a transcript of a video from Mike Yeadon giving testimony on 7th January 2022. I’d seen it previously on other sites but don’t recall which. It covered several aspects including pregnancy.

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kate
kate
3 years ago

Dr Thorp’s letter to the American board of Obstetrics and Gynaecology.

https://www.rodefshalom613.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Thorp-ABOG-Letter-.01.12.2021.pdf

….Please see my Power Point slides below from my personal analytics from the CDC/FDA VAERS database via medalerts.org.
This was analyzed in conjunction with a Silicon Valley IT expert procurator of this database
…..The COVID-19 deaths, fetal malformations, and pregnancy loss are stunning when compared to all other vaccines in the VAERS registry combined, the influenza vaccines, and the pertussis vaccines.
Regardless of how you criticize my analytics they are extremely robust, complete, broad and irrefutable. You are morally, ethically, and legally obligated to follow this verified safety signal.
There are NO credible safety data that you have in pregnancy. ZERO.
The NEJM article has absolutely nothing safe about it; the VSAFE procurement of data is totally irrelevant, unreliable and laughable.
The longitudinal study in the very poorly done study lasted less than 8 weeks; last I heard, pregnancy lasted for 40 weeks.
This is complete nonsense. There was ZERO newborn follow up.
The fact that ABOG would push this vaccine in pregnancy is an abomination and will be the greatest disaster in the history of obstetrics.

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kate
kate
3 years ago

https://www.bitchute.com/video/TGjFPyE3L4JX/
Dr James Thorp.

FETAL RISK WHISTLEBLOWER OBGYN DOCTOR “THE VACCINE INCREASED THE DEATH RATE 25 FOLD IN 10 MONTHS”

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Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

This link is to a 4-minute video about Bill Gates. This man was, and is, one of the main driving forces behind these toxic and fake vaccines.
 
Gates is also, very probably, one of the main characters that drew up and dictated the type of policy that the British government and UK health authority enforced from the onset of the plandemic until now – and, most likely, will still be dictating policy going forward.
 
Just take a look at that video and see the personality and character of one of the principle people responsible for how the plandemic was managed in the UK.
 
Bill Gates is accused of committing very serious crimes in India and Africa:

“Bill Gates’ Vaccine Crime Record: 496,000 Paralyzed Children In India And More …”

“Gates’ Globalist Vaccine Agenda: A Win-Win for Pharma and Mandatory Vaccination …”

“Bill Gates told us about the corona virus 2015 …”

 
If you skip to the 01:16 mark in this video you will hear Bill Gates gloatingly say:

“We’re taking things that are genetically modified organisms and we’re injecting them into little kids arms, we just shoot them right into the vein.”

 
And if you skip onwards to the 03:40 mark in this video, you’ll clearly hear Bill Gates’ say:

“… Vaccines are going very well, things like producing childhood death …”

 
Would the people of the UK vote for this creature to manage the country’s health system? But yet Gates and others like him are practically doing just this. 

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

86,048,246 pregnant women in the UK died of covid in 2020

The figures for 2021 have not been published yet

Last edited 3 years ago by Cecil B
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TheJamFan
TheJamFan
3 years ago

Slightly off topic, but it’s worth noting that oddly censorious rocker-in-the-free-world Neil Young – who sold half his back catalogue to a huge investment company which is advised by the former CEO of Pfizer and is itself vastly invested in Big Pharma – appears to be happy to allow his music to be available on the Chinese version of Spotify, QQ Music.

That’s the China that murders political prisoners, runs vast concentration camps for Uighurs, and allowed international flights to continue for days after it shut Wuhan airport to internal traffic.

But that’s of no concern to brave, principled Neil Young, apparently.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  TheJamFan

Keep on rocking rent-seeking from the East’s slaves!

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GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
3 years ago

“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s recommendation that pregnant women get the COVID-19 vaccine is based on limited data, poorly matched cohorts and inexcusably low representation of pregnant women in their first trimester.”
By
Madhava Setty, M.D.
Jennifer Smith, Ph.D.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-study-wrongly-concludes-covid-vaccines-safe-pregnancy/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=055ac3f1-b92f-4165-bc2a-acda9e8cf317&fbclid=IwAR2Vv5Zu2VD90Et8zxQlkQ9flSTYQp2TnHSJc5ly9P1odpfU3jp5c80cLdk

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

A critical insight into the wider distortions of ‘Covid’ propaganda, where even the distinction between SARS possible presence and secondary ‘Covid’ has been deliberately confused.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
3 years ago

I remember reading these reports and sharing them here a while back. The main thing that struck me, was that in 2020, a lot of these women were basically put into Covid wards, treated as Covid victims and were completely cut off from their care pathways. In other words, negligence.

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scaredmama
scaredmama
3 years ago

I think I’m going to vomit.

You know, I’m a very ordinary person. I’m not a vaccine sceptic because I am prescient, or medically educated or anything. I just thought it seemed wrong, and I had some good input from someone who actually knows stuff quite early on, which knocked a tiny hole in my middle class wall of MSM and let some light in. So I find it incredibly difficult to comprehend that this can have actually happened. I am so sickened and so tired and scared that I am not sure I’m strong enough to double check this article. The NHS hospital near me is pretty good, I’ve never had anything but good help from my own doctor. I find it terrifying to imagine those poor women, lonely and afraid, not speaking the language, not knowing what was happening to them, DYING. And the people meant to help were so scared or blinded that they didn’t help them. Imagine how those doctors felt when they found out. What their selfishness and cowardice did to the people in their care.

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oblong
oblong
3 years ago

Shocking. Sickening.
What are the NHS up to.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  oblong

even more sickening is what they’re not up to,
Which is not health and not care!

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago

How many babies have been born from women who had the ‘vaccines’? Are they all deformed/damaged? We could start with outward appearance, as of course no-one can say if there are internal problems – perhaps after 10 years ‘things’ will start to become noticed. Or not.
When these babies start catching flies with their tongues we can get back to the ‘Lizard People’ / genetically modified conspiracy theories.

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago

When pregnant you’re told to avoid a long list of foodstuffs, soft and mould cheeses, curred meats, liver, pate, game meat, fresh eggs without a lion stamp on them, goose/quail/duck eggs, no more than 2 portions of oily fish pw, limit tuna, shellfish, vitamin A and limits on lots of other stuff.

But they encourage you to get injected with an experimental transfection that produces cytotoxic genetic material with a long list of known risks, and potentially many unknown unknowns. In the “trials” that have been carried out, the cohorts are so small so as to produce worthless data who’s only use is for advertising material for transfection products.

Having read >800 biology papers, and watched hundreds of hours of streamed immuno/biology presentations from experienced PhD neurobiologists and neuroscientists focusing on SARs-CoV 2 and the transfection technology, there’s no way on earth I’d take the transfection, let alone allow it for my child/baby.

If the OP would like to research this subject I highly recomend Jonathan J Coueys review paper, and his streams at gigaohmbiological.com he’s a neuro-biologist from the orginal DRASTIC team, he was sacked from his research position at UPitt for publishing youtube videos in a journal club style (back when the lab leak was still a conspiracy theory) UPitt gets funding for GoF research. He streams regularly on twitch. I doubt he can give medical advice but he would answer personal emails that mite direct you to relevant research.

Secondly I would recomend Kevin McCairn PhD at mccairndojo.com (warning: he is “anti-woke” to the point he comes across as a casual racist/misogynist until you ‘get him’ and his style in meme form can be very odd) He is a well published Neuro-scientist, more pessimistic than JC above, but he’s on top of all the relevant neurobiology/miscroscopy than any other independant scientist I’ve seen in this area. He has a large DISCORD community you could join that is very supportive with members, I’m sure many of the experienced researchers in the group would go out of their way to help you with researching any data you would like to find. Kevin streams regularly on various platforms, you’d have to sign up for stream notifications at his website since he is often deplatformed he uses a Guerrilla warfare system with different new channels in an attempt to get the info out before big tech can deplatform again.

Both have young children and remain very strong advocates for them.

Good luck with your pregnancy!

Last edited 3 years ago by ImpObs
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hurleyp
hurleyp
3 years ago

🙂 Careful! You might get “cancelled” for not saying “pregnant people” 🤣

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Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
3 years ago
Reply to  hurleyp

I’m offended by your comment! I’m a 62 year old bloke and still hoping to get pregnant.

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kate
kate
3 years ago

 https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-pfizer-vp-michael-yeadon-demands-apology-from-media-over-lies-asserting-vaccine-safety/

…..these data leaks, given by three “decorated high-ranking soldiers who are doctors and public health officials,” in sworn declarations under penalty of perjury, show several increases in negative impacts upon fertility, including spontaneous abortion, among this military population where enforcement of an experimental COVID gene-vaccine mandate is strictly observed.

 As presented by these soldiers, the following 2021 increases only include the first 10 months of the year (January through October) and are compared with the full five-year average of figures taken from 2016 through 2020. 
 

  • Miscarriages — increase of 279% 
  • Female infertility – increase of 471% 
  • Male infertility — increase of 344% 
  • Congenital malformations (birth defects) – increase of 156% 

And considering most children conceived after these injections had not been born before November 2021, the final figure of birth defects is likely to significantly increase as well. 

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4PureBlood
4PureBlood
3 years ago

If science can’t be questioned it’s not science anymore. It’s propaganda. They want to rip on people for taking Ivermectin. I researched and saw the evidence on the internet. Research papers are on the internet for those who wants to see. Top respected world doctors are being under defamation by MSM and vaccine manufacturers. I won’t back down recommeding IVM. You can get yours by visiting https://ivmpharmacy.com

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V Detta
V Detta
3 years ago

BBC Woman’s Hour have pushed and bullied women with scare stories about the dangers of CV-19 for pregnant women. Several features interviewing women and shaming them for not having the v and telling them how necessary it was. I used to trust this programme…. Utterly scandalous…

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dangerous granny
dangerous granny
3 years ago

A pregnant fully vaccinated friend wants to know where/how the author got her information? Is this info available to the general public of you know where to look?

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Gefion
Gefion
3 years ago

This made for interesting reading. Last night one of my oldest friends was going on about the fact that ALL pregnant women should be vaccinated. She’d read that ‘lots’ of pregnant women had died of Covid and is absolutely convinced that vaccines are the way forward. When I pointed out that when we were pregnant (our children are the (same ages) it was frowned upon to even have an aspirin she said that was OK then but now that Covid was around it was imperative the everyone got vaccinated as it’s a terrible thing that all these women are dying and babies are left without their mothers.There is no point in trying to give her figures or talk to her about her very fixed views so I changed the subject. However, she’s just booked her next holiday in France so all is well in her world… We’ve known each other for 38 years but now we have an elephant with us.

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SueJM
SueJM
3 years ago

So very well done by this woman who had the strength and foresight to look into things. This is exactly the kind of piece that should go to MSM to shame them (and all those responsible for the humungous lies and manipulation of the truth) and wake up more people. Congratulations, anonymous pregnant woman.

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SomersetHoops
SomersetHoops
3 years ago

How many times are these kind of incidents claiming to be the result of Covid infection multiplied by the number of statistics giving government’s lying numbers of Covid deaths. The actual number could be even less than the 17500 suggested as the accurate figure.
I’m sure the majority of health profesionals are competent, hard working and caring about people they should attend to, but it is clear there are some who are absolutely none of those things.

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