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‘Net Zero’ is Driving Inflation to Dangerous Levels and Must Be Abandoned to Avert Economic Collapse

by Richard Lyon
6 June 2022 5:44 PM

In a recent article, regular contributor Guy de la Bédoyère described the relationship between the supply of money and the quantity of goods and services in the economy. He noted that increasing the supply of money against a fixed or falling supply of goods and services produces inflation. If you haven’t read it, I highly recommend it.

In this essay, we’ll go beyond the immediate inflation created by the pandemic response. We’ll look more closely at the relationship between the supply of goods and services in the economy and the supply of energy in the world. Then we’ll examine fundamental changes taking place in the supply of energy and the effect this has produced on the global money supply to understand why hyperinflation is now inevitable. Finally, with a sceptical eye, we’ll briefly examine the implications of so called ‘Net Zero’ energy policies.

As Guy noted, if the quantity of goods and services in our economy is increasing, the supply of money can (and should) also be increased.

A corollary of this is that, if the quantity of goods and services decreases then, to preserve the value of each unit of money (prevent it dropping, i.e., inflation), the supply of money must also be decreased.

Since all goods and services require energy for their manufacture and supply, the quantity of goods and services at any time is determined by the availability and cost of energy. For over 100 years, the economy has benefited from an energy format – hydrocarbon – that has provided extraordinarily cheap and abundant energy. The economy, and the money supply, have grown as a result.

They have not just grown. They’ve grown exponentially. Rather than increasing by a fixed amount in equal time intervals, they have doubled in equal time intervals  (the time interval has varied at different times). Why?

It’s the consequence of the most fundamental operation in the Western capitalist finance system – interest. Our finance system employs interest rate (prohibited in Islamic finance) as a mechanism for pricing and rewarding risk. So, in our system, money doesn’t just get created from goods and services. Money gets created from money. And that is why the financial system must grow exponentially with time, even when the economy of goods and services does not. 

This means that, to avoid inflation, the physical economy of goods and services has also had to grow exponentially with time. And, as we’ve seen, this means that the net energy supply has had to grow exponentially with time.

And until around 2006, it did.

Around 2006, for technical reasons associated with irreversible changes in the largest oil reservoir in the world, the ability of the global oil system to sustain an exponentially rising net supply of energy ended. Over the next two years, the price of energy shot up, breaking the global financial system at its weakest point – the securitised subprime mortgage market – and triggering a cascade. We call that event the ‘2008 financial crash’.

The appearance of solvency in the global financial system since then is an illusion, sustained (until now) through the production of vast quantities of hallucinated money. And that process is accelerating. In the six months prior to the March 2020 placing of the global economy in an induced coma through a coordinated global programme of ‘lockdowns’ – worldwide suspension of economic activity and credit demand – the Federal Bank of New York created and injected $9 trillion directly into the U.S. banking system. That’s 40% of US GDP.

Why hasn’t printing money worked? Because even without printing it, as the supply of money continues to expand exponentially, the net supply of energy to support it is now contracting. At a time when the supply of money should be reduced, we are experiencing an exponentially widening gap. 

This is not easily addressable. The amount of oil that remains is not known, but is quite easy to estimate. Since we can’t produce what we haven’t found, the pattern of oil discovery – which is known – defines the upper limit of what can be produced. The peak of oil discovery occurred around 1970 as we were landing on the moon, and has declined at around 5% per year since then. That defines the upper limit of all that has been and predictably will be discovered unless efforts are stepped up. At current drawdown rates, the known and anticipated oil volume will be exhausted within 30 years. Rystad Energy, a respected Norwegian energy consultancy, estimates that global oil discovery in 2021 was the lowest in 75 years and that commercial oil firms have around 15 years of reserves left. Yes we have gas, but rapidly increasing amounts of it now have to be reallocated towards maintaining the services we already need – most of them critical, such as food production – that oil currently supports.

Contraction of the net supply of energy has thus been driving inflation for over a decade; printing vast quantities of money to pay people to sit at home is throwing fuel on the fire. What about ‘Net Zero’ policies?

‘Net Zero’ policies presuppose that our energy system can be replaced by contraptions that harness ultra-diffuse sources of energy such as wind, and should be replaced by them because of changes in the climate that, it is claimed, are catastrophic.

The merit of such policies on the basis of ignoring the laws of thermodynamics and reliance on controversial, contested and increasingly falsified claims about the future state of the climate obtained from observably broken toy models of atmospheric physics, is beyond the scope of this essay.

But irrespective of those grounds for dismissal, the policies are absurd and reckless. Three points stand out:

  1. The construction, operation, maintenance and endless replacement of ‘Net Zero’ devices in fact require an ongoing supply of colossal volumes of hydrocarbon to provide the energy and advanced composite materials needed by the global industrial manufacturing system necessary for their production. Long before these devices are constructed, that hydrocarbon will have been reallocated to higher utility applications, such as food production, to avert shortages. They will never be built, much less operated, maintained, and replaced.
  2. The establishment of such a system will require colossal quantities of additional debt, driving an already unstable financial system even closer to (and probably beyond) collapse.
  3. Substitution of high density energy sources with these ultra low density sources will intensify the reduction in net energy already underway, reducing further the capacity of the economy to produce goods and services, accelerating hyperinflation and eventually collapsing the financial system.

What can we do? I can’t advise. For my part, I withdrew a significant fraction of my ‘pension’ (a hypothetical sum of money payable at some time in the future from funds that do not currently, and now never will, exist), and used it to build a house that maintains 19 degrees year round in Scotland without a heating system. I’m growing a large supply of potatoes for the coming winter. You might speak to your political representative and instruct them to end Net Zero policies that are unachievable and suicidal, and re-establish our financial and energy policies on sound principles informed by the physical laws as they operate in this universe.

Richard Lyon is a former senior oil and gas operations manager with 35 years of international experience and academic qualifications in electrical engineering and power systems, petroleum engineering, and energy economics. He maintains the Substack newsletter the State of Britain and can be contacted via LinkedIn.

Tags: Climate AlarmismEnergy crisisGreen EnergyInflationNet ZeroOilRenewable energy

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John
John
4 years ago

Good morning world!

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
4 years ago
Reply to  John

The Government seems to be living off mirage money.

Who is the de facto Prime minister of the country?

What does levelling up mean if by 2030 only very expensive electric cars will be available?

Why does Prince Charles think that the currently crisis is a great opportunity?

Why does the Labour health spokesman want to suppress any open discussion on vaccines? Does the left suddenly love Big Pharma?

Are these peoples right to be crush by a Labour Health spokesman with no medical qualifications?

Coronavirus: NHS staff flock to anti-vax group (The Times)

Hundreds of NHS and care home staff have formed a group opposed to vaccinations, wearing masks and testing in hospitals.

The group, NHS Workers for Choice, No Restrictions for Declining a Vaccine, has gained more than 250 Facebook members in a month. They include a GP, several accident and emergency nurses, healthcare assistants, lab workers, and private and public care home staff.

It says it is not an anti-vaccine group and exists to support healthcare workers, but The Times found posts saying that the Pfizer-BionTech coronavirus vaccine was a new frozen virus, similar to smallpox, to be “unleashed” on the world. They compared it to “poison”.

One member who works in a GP’s surgery, said that she would rather quit than help with a vaccination
 

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Sodastream
Sodastream
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Thanks for that info on the nhs group, I’ll be joining.

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blunt instrument
blunt instrument
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

I’m not on Facebook, but I rather think that group will not be an official NHS one.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
4 years ago
Reply to  blunt instrument

Dear Blunt

This Is How Great Reset Will End Western Democracies
Mahyar Tousi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk2W7rOFatg

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

on Steve Bannon’s War Room on You tube Raheem Kassam has just explained how Carrie Symons (who he knows) if full on left wing globalist into the Great Reset and has been aiming to get rid of Cummins for over six months to stop Brexit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hT1Ext46qA

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

29:00 minutes in….

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

I think she was a honey trap

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

and Denmark seem to have thrown out the compulsory vaxx bill
https://philosophers-stone.info/2020/11/15/denmark-throws-epidemic-law-in-the-bin-a-week-long-fight-with-pots-and-pans-and-the-people-win/
http://tapnewswire.com/2020/11/denmarks-proposed-epidemic-law-getting-days-of-public-protest/

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

here’s what happened with the swine flu vaccine, narcolepsy and death
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v08n10.shtml

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Horatio Hornblower
Horatio Hornblower
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

WordPress is being censored.

GatewayPundit 15th Nov 2020.

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Helen
Helen
4 years ago
Reply to  John

Good morning John!

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  John

In regards to the 2009 swine flu here is the article fmor the Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242147/The-false-pandemic-Drug-firms-cashed-scare-swine-flu-claims-Euro-health-chief.html
The EU tried to take the WHO to court accusing it of collaborating with the pharmaceutical industry to declare a pandemic to trigger the vaccine contracts with governemnts.
We had Ferguson at the helm then and at the time also took money from GSK. He is more careful nowadays.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

The Guardian discovers herd immunity
”Our immune systems can cope with Covid 19- it’s our politicians who can’t”

They’ve found out about T-cell immunity, that reinfection is vanishingly rare all sorts that might have seen here at LS.

‘It is tempting to think that the virus is a pathogen the likes of which we have never seen before.
In reality, it is our inadequate policies and lack of evidence based public health strategy that have gotten us (sic) to where we are today. . .”

Good old Guardian, got there in the end.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Somebody send it to Boris, give him something to read while he’s isolating. For an illness he’s already had.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

I suggest he binge-watches Ivor Cummins first

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Nice idea, but have we got anyone to subtitle the videos in ancient Greek?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

And footage from Australia.

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paulito
paulito
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

What a coincidence that Alexander Johnson has to self isolate when Downing Street is in meltdown. Sel isolating? hiding and plotting more like. What an absolute lying piece of shit.

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6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Don’t blame for isolating from Princess Nut Nuts

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

His hair is getting whiter by the day.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Send him Hugo’s Les Misérables.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

No, send him a variety of descriptions of life under Communism or Fascism, and ask if he can tell the difference between them and life in present day Britain. Answer – they were generally freer under Communism. At least they could meet as families, and buy stuff when there was any, in shops.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Anne Passman

no, send him a summons to Court for fraud

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Shadow
Shadow
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

Add to the court case mass murder. He certainly did that one really well. Send his friends right along with him.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The Guardian: Japan shop deploys robot to check people are wearing face masks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/japan-shop-deploys-robot-to-check-people-are-wearing-face-masks

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

This is why suicides have rocketed in Japan. It’s an inhumane, plastic, concrete dystopia

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peter charles
peter charles
4 years ago
Reply to  James

yes, I went there expecting mountains and green tea and plinky plonk music, but I found it, instead, to be a massive factory. I should have expected it really. On the other hand it made me realise that UK has no industry in comparison.

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  peter charles

You can find the mountains, green tea and shamisen/koto music but you have to leave the built up metropolitan areas to do so. Sounds like you had a disappointing trip though and I’m sorry to hear that. Rural Japan is still very beautiful.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  James

I suggest that when (or if, of course,. I wouldn’t put it past Boris, and his malign quartet to keep them permanently) we get rid of face masks we have a Bonfire night Day of burnings, with Vallance, Whitty, Ferguson (plus his forecast of 250,000 dead) Boris and Hancock on top. Bags I light the fire!! Oh, and can we sack all the inhuman care home bosses etc.

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Plus there is a whole different attitude to suicide in Japan. It is sometimes seen as an honourable thing to do. (I speak from experience as my Japanese father-in-law took his own life)

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Rasmussen sounds a bit Scandinavian to me..,

This whole thing has been traumatic for the Guardian. It’s been an article of faith for 70 years, possibly longer, that “Swedes do it better”…to have to reject the Swedish approach to public health has been unsettling for them.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

The Guardian won’t admit that the WEF, the banks, Pharma, Gates etc are seeking to enslave us and to parasite off of us indefinitely under the guise of a virus that for most people can be treated by Lemsips and rest

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nat
nat
4 years ago
Reply to  James

The Guardian is all on board for that.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  James

of course not as Gates pays them!

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Shadow
Shadow
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Bill Gates pays off the Guardian, They will never say anything against him. He gives many medias out there money to shut them up. Including the BBC as well if I remember correctly. Anyone who praises him gets his money. He buys of anyone and everyone he can, including the WHO.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Very slow on the uptake but at least they got there in the end.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The Guardian will soon be pushing for Canadian and New Zealand style ‘quarantine camps’ (concentration camps)

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  James

They can push all they want. Very soon nobody will be listening to them.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

only other journalists, the BBC and politicans

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

But will it stay there, seems unlikely.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Tried to find the article but failed. It’s buried somewhere beneath a mountain of articles pretty much pushing the opposite view.

So wouldn’t congratulate The Guardian just yet.

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Kf99
Kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/15/immune-systems-covid-19-politicians-virus

Usual problem of headline not written by the author. Comments are entertaining…

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Ndovu
Ndovu
4 years ago
Reply to  Kf99

I very rarely read the comments in the Guardian – but some of those are hysterical!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

url link posted by Cheshirecat just bellow.
Sorry can’t do it via Android.

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

In my view, the highly critical article that appeared in the BMJ a couple of days ago and written by their executive editor was a major piece of news.

In normal times I would have expected it to have been given significant coverage in the media but there is no evidence of this happening.

Have I misjudged it’s importance or is something amiss?

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

PS The lead article in yesterday’s Sunday Times was of a similar nature but does not seem to have created much of a stir.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

But the medics will know that they will not be able to pretend that they did not know.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Ofcom rules still a barrier

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

I’m not sure it was written from a sceptical position. Sounded more like a turf war with the medical establishment peeved at the way Big Pharma is taking over policy formation in this area across the board. Adult vaccination programmes must be a bit of a pain for GPs.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Oh but it did mention PCR not being fit for purpose. And the citation they used was the same document cited in the Portuguese case mentioned in today’s update as evidence to bin it.

Thats the Pandoras box. No going back.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

They are getting paid 20% more than for the normal flu jab, £25.00 a head for the double dose.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Most GPs are mega rich in comparison with the communities they serve. I saw a top of the range Bentley in the the car park to a GP centre in a poor part of town the other day. Chances of it belonging to anyone else but the GP must be close to zero. My point is that they really don’t need more money – they are after more time to enjoy their money, so anything that adds to the management burden is not welcome.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

My GP seems to employ pharmacist prescribers in place of GPs now. You ask for an appointment with a GP and its only once they get to something they cannot do they admit they are not actually a GP. Seemed a bit of a racket even before all this.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

You have not misjudged. It should have brought down the government.
The lack of interest demonstrates what we are up against.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

The machinery of fascism has taken over. Plain clothes police in Italy are beating up unemployed anti-lockdown protestors. Those pushing the Great Reset don’t care about the science. They never did

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Carlo
Carlo
4 years ago
Reply to  James

I am half Italian and it is disgusting what is going on in Italy.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago

The Guardian article is good about immunity, comments are horrendous.

Here’s a prize one

“What a disgrace of an article, I have been ill for 4 months straight after being infected, a 30 year old in perfect health and know many others who have been also. No mention at all that this virus is causing mass auto immune disease, that can disable you for life, in 10s of 1000s of people in this country and 100s of 1000s globally.
Criminal”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/15/immune-systems-covid-19-politicians-virus

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Probably the Mail commenter who claimed

“I know three people myself who have had the Covid twice”.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

To have Covid once may be regarded as a misfortune. To have it twice looks like carelessness.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

The Importance of Being Johnson

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

I have nothing to declare but my exemption.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

“Exempt, your honour”

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

“Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people”.

Oscar saw the future

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

“A man who does not think for himself does not think at all”.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Down at the Weight Watchers club?

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Jamie
Jamie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Surprised they didn’t say they know 3 people who’ve died twice!

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rose
rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Jamie

a famous Trump quote about Covid ” People are dying who have never died before”

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Well, it does take a little time to convert zombies back into human beings, when you’ve spent the last seven months converting them into zombies.
That’s assuming that the Grauniad doesn’t immediately revert to arch-zombyism. They do owe a duty to their readership, after all.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

This is promising. I have been boycotting the Guardian since January, before all this madness, when they published the name and photo of a man who went on a knifing rampage in Streatham. The article basically said: the man was known to authorities as someone who wanted fame for a terrorist attack… here is his name and photo. Since the madness started they I have been reliably informed that they went so deep down the rabbit hole, they met The Times coming down its own hole. Both have been stumbling around in the darkness ever since. If anyone is calling for censorship and criminalising the spread of misinformation, they could do a good sweep of the MSM right now and shut them all down!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I expect they’ll make it a threesome with the boycotted Telegraph.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

BBC, Sky, C4, ITV, GMB should also join them.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I’ve been boycotting them for 15 years when I saw the light!

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RyanM
RyanM
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

I would bet money that the “facts” in that comment are completely fabricated.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Oh diddums!
(to the poor person with ‘long covid’ (I assume)

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Then a Chron’s patient enters the chat…

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Guardian readers love ‘auto immune disease’. They don’t, of course, mean real ones like diabetes or MS. Theirs are the modern equivalent of ‘a bad back’ and the aim is to avoid work and make the argument for a Universal Basic Handout.

It would be interesting to see a study into the psychological effects of the belief that one has a potentially fatal disease. If they had never been told that they had The Lurgy, would they have all these symptoms? I doubt it.

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

That’s undoubtedly true and I think it has it’s origins in so-called complementary medicine that they’re so enamoured of. It’s the go to explanation every time.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

Ivor Cummins pointed out the similarities between homeopathy and PCR testing producing something from nothing. Money in the case of homeopathy and also a major byproduct in PCR.

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Sylvie
Sylvie
4 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

You may doubt it, but the immune system starting to attack the muscles and organs in a cytokine storm triggered by a viral infection is a scientific fact. Use your Googling finger on Guillaine Barre syndrome, Kawasaki disease etc etc. It would actually be a bit strange if CV19 never eventuated in this in some subjects. Why do steroids help to combat this? Because they damp down the immune system. Why are some people more susceptible than others – women certainly are? Its a genetic and sex linked factor in the way their bodies process steroids, hormones.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  Sylvie

Housewife illnesses, in other words. Children far too old to be an excuse, don’t want to work for a living, what’s the answer? A ‘syndrome’, of course. And the body attacking itself is the ultimate narcissm.

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Sylvie
Sylvie
4 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

I bet you’re one of those who never believed in others’ period pains, either. “Get over yourself, run 3 times round the hockey field, that’ll do the trick!”

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Sylvie

susceptibility depends upon the state of the immune system and previous vaccines do not help. Look what happened after the swine flu vaccine! Narcolpesy!

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nat
nat
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Must have been a troll.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

CCP bot most likely.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

What are we dealing with here?

Cameron describes the pig dictator as a slippery pig (a bit rich coming from him but hey ho)

Rory Stewart describes the PD as the most accomplished liar in public life in the UK today

The PD’s own family have disowned him

Let’s go back to the weekend of the second lockdown leak

We are asked to believe that the PD had been told that 4,000 a day would die by December if there was no lockdown; and with a heavy heart he was considering the options.

Then the leak and he is ‘bounced ‘ into locking everyone up

Leak enquiry. Every suspects phone is examined

Low and behold the evidence is found to sack Cain and Cummings

Princess Nut Nuts seizes power

Remember the Sunday night press conference? Delay after delay. The sense of drama? (even though an insider said the PD was actually watching the rugby)

So who leaked the document?

Well, follow the money

The PD always knew what was on those phones. The whole thing was contrived and a confection

Innocent people locked up and prevented from seeing their grandchild in order to get rid of Cummings and install PNN

This whole rotten edifice needs tearing down

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Can I have one of those machines with a ball on a chain that knocks walls down? Always wanted a go on one of those.
Oops, sorry, Mr Wancock, I just didn’t see you.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

http://raebear.net/comics/faith/bc-devil.jpg
B.C. by Johnny Hart

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Mister Prime Minister, tear down this wall!

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annie
annie
4 years ago

You’ve got to admit that Bozo is erring on the side of caution. Five Covvie reinfections ‘confirmed’ globally.
Five out of more than seven billion people. We tremble, yes we tremble.
However, we can agree that Bozo is infectious, having spread enslavement, misery, despair, bankruptcy, terror and zombyist stupidity through the entire country.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

He has posted a pathetic comment that even though he has had the disease he has to follow the rules, but he is the PM does he not have some influence on the rules? The NHS is currently advertising for people who had Covid to donate blood plasma for the treatment of current patients, I understand this plasma treatment is proving effective. So that means that as a former covid sufferer Boris could offer to donate his blood plasma whilst at the same time self isolating!
I somehow do not think Winston Churchill or Margaret Thatched would have put up with this nonsense for 5 seconds. Apparently King George suggested to Churchill that the country should give up alcohol during the war, absurd said Churchill and opened another bottle of Champagne, I somehow cannot imagine him self isolating, cowering like a sniveling wimp in his wood shed.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Churchill’s annotation to a favourable memorandum
“Action This Day !”

bozo ‘I’ll just have to check with Carrie and get back to you’.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Clearly those who have had COVID need to be given new careers as blood plasma producers. They will be put up in shared accommodation (own bedroom/bathroom) and looked after by the NHS (bites lip to stop laugh) and will be required to donate blood plasma weekly for the common good.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

People who have had Covid to donate their blood?

PCR positive you mean? Jesus. So someone who w as asymptomatic and for some reason got a test is now being asked to donate their magic beans? Yeah, nothing can go wrong

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D B
D B
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I was in hospital in March and tested positive (was in for appendicitis) and then went to donate my blood plasma after I had recovered – they chucked it in the bin cos there wasn’t enough covid in it haha.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Johnson is following the rules because we are supposed to believe that without vaccination immunity is not possible. He is again doing his bit on behalf of Bill Gates.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Now he’s been a good boy by getting rid of Dom and wotsisname he’s probably getting that ‘special thing you do’ from you know who.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Shanghai grip?

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago

A brief comment on the AIDS panic , discussed in Nick Macleod’s article: when on a clinical placement-part of my degree course-a fellow mature student and I spent time in an outlying hospital ,one of whose patients was a young man suspected of being HIV+ve.

Our tutor adopted biohazard panic precautions- gown, mask, gloves etc, at which point we explained that the virus causing AIDS was transmitted by exchange of body fluids, usually by sexual or infected needle transmission, and that therefore the gown and mask outfit were entirely useless .

Furthermore the tutor’s anonymous impersonal appearance added to the unfortunate young patient’s fear and apprehension.

Gown and mask removed.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

I remember the tabloids asking. whether you could get AIDS off a toilet seat.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Fouci said it could be transmitted by ‘casual social contact’.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Aha.Confirm toilet seat.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

He has much to answer for.

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Once as a church minister I helped a young man who was AIDS positive. He said that on one occasion police came to arrest him with bio hazard suits and riot shields.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Shocking; what goes around, comes around.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

The big difference between the Covid and HIV/AIDS panics is that with AIDS it never occurred to governments to grind all social and economic activity to a halt in a mad, futile attempt to suppress it.

It seems that every new disease causes some degree of hysteria and over-reaction.

What is exceptional about this one is how easy it has been for governments to steal away our civil liberty, how willing the population has been to give it away and how much collateral damage we have all been willing to inflict on ourselves and others.

This is an unprecedented collective mental disorder.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Correct

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Totally agree. How on earth did the public fall for this load of shxxe from this load of shysters? The lockdown protests so far have been very low key. Can someone please think of a way of getting the message through to the malign quartet before our entire life goes down the proverbial plughole? Personally I’m up for anything legal. Can’t decide if I’m incandescent with fury, in despair , disgust or disbelief at the attitude of a great many of my fellow citizens. I’m 74 and unafraid.

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annie
annie
4 years ago

Covid drives you mad.
Being mad gives you Covid.
Read all about it here:

https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/11/one-in-five-covid-19-patients-diagnosed-with-mental-health-issues-after-testing-positive

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

“It’s above and beyond what we would expect for *influence* and skin infections’.

They need a copy editor.

Last edited 4 years ago by karenovirus
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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They need a brain editor.

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Cambridge N
Cambridge N
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Reminiscent of Catch 22. Or ‘Catch 23’ as I once heard a non-native speaker misname it. But a nice coinage, I think, meaning even worse than Catch 22.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago

“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.” 
― Edmund Burke

“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.” 
― Edmund Burke

“Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government.” 
― Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France

The thoughts of a wise man; wisdom ,common sense and moral courage are now consigned to the social and political lost and found.

Escape route needed.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago

The other day there was a useful schematic on this site showing the extent to which the Pfizer vaccine works in a very different way to any of the traditional vaccines. I find its mode of action disturbing to say the least. The other thing that disturbs me is the way all this vaccine stuff is being manipulated in the name of money and power rather than any real concern for people’s health. To the extent that it is not at all clear that the vaccine proposed last week is actually a viable practical proposition?
It seems to me that these vaccine announcements are being used to convince us all to hang on a bit longer in misery until a vaccine comes along to save us. With no prospect of a vaccine we would be obliged to face reality and develop policies to enable us to live with the disease.
It is appalling that there is so much talk of a vaccine and so little about effective cures. Treatments for serious covid have got better and could do much better still but all the talk is about vaccines. We never got a vaccine for AIDS but we have got effective treatments, do we learn nothing?

In the end, if there is a vaccine I too may need it for International Travel but I still think we should be fully aware of what is happening and not be afraid to make our voice heard.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I agree. We’ve had the novel pathogen. Now we’re getting the novel vaccine. Isn’t directly affecting DNA genetic engineering? At a minimum there should be free and open discussion about this new approach. If it’s avoiding a toxic adjuvant (is it? ) that’s good but what else are we opening the door to?

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djaustin
djaustin
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It is appalling that there is so much talk of a vaccine and so little about effective cures.

Little talk, but plenty of activity. Treatments are ranging from antivirals for very early mitigation of severe disease (principally antibodies and more potent tablets – remdesivir is neither potent or a tablet), through to treatments for the inflammatory effects (dexamethasone is the first to work, baracitinib is coming and others are being tested). Treatments don’t prevent infection (much), and the public only really understand vaccines anyway.

Viruses are really only self-assembly programs. the mRNA vaccine is like giving a subroutine to assemble part of the virus. It’s pretty cool. The next level up is to give part of the virus (spike protein) itself, and the final level is to give a whole virus which may be a mix of non-replicating foreign virus with the protein on the outside (Oxford), killed vaccine, or live but attenuated. All of these are being tested.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

The NHS dislikes people who ‘jump the queue’ by going private.
Some years ago I damaged my back and while waiting 6 months for the NHS to spring into action was feeling some considerable pain.

I was recommended a chiropractor by an associate so went there weekly for pain relief (£40.00 a pop, very well worth it). When I asked them they suggested it was probably for the best that I did not tell the NHS for that very reason.

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Arkansas
Arkansas
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Literally a “pop”.

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jhfreedom
jhfreedom
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And yet were it not for ‘going private’ the NHS would be swamped.

Ditto schools.

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Laurence
Laurence
4 years ago

I’ve noticed that a particular correspondent who has often posted in disagreement with my comments has been conspicuous by his silence the last few days – am I to assume that he now accepts that I am correct ?

Please respond either way – you can read my post from yesterday.

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annie
annie
4 years ago

I’m sure none of us would blame anybody for taking the vaccine. What we object to is people being forced to take it, or being pilloried for choosing not to.

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danny
danny
4 years ago

A supermarket near me has reintroduced the rule that NHS workers can jump the queue. Although there are a great many brave, extremely hard working and poorly paid people in the healthcare system, and always have been, the idea that in theory my GP, who has refused to see anyone without a zoom meeting or photo of an ailment since March, should be given hero status, is particularly galling. Many in this profession should be slow clapped out of shops, not given special treatment.
Have spoken to quite a few friends who work in hospitals (nurses etc) who all admit how bored they are with nothing to do.

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Steph
Steph
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

Boycott them. If they have decided another group of the public are more important than you then go somewhere that treats you as an equal.
This NHS worship turns my stomach.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

Same here. Plus said supermarket also announced on Twitter that they were going to extend discount to teachers.

Hot off the heels of the teachers’ union demanding that the schools shut, you can imagine that proposal went down like a lead balloon.

What makes them special? Are they not being paid for a job that they’ve been contracted to do? Personally I would rather the discounts & special shopping hours be given to cleaners, bin men, delivery drivers.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

So would I!

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

i’d rather discount to all those who have lost their jobs and livelihoods uneccessarily due to the government’s incompetent in managing the economy!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Sue

Agree. What’s galling with the discounts for the NHS workers & teachers is that someone else is actually paying for the difference which means the rest of us.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yep.
The only ‘good’ thing, which they don’t grasp yet, of course, is that they and all civil servants and final salary pensioners will jump from their current position at the top of the food chain to the one at the very bottom immediately after the catastrophes have occurred, for at least a generation.
German Civil servants and retirees were back and stayed in the poorhouse from 1945 to 1975.

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TyRade
TyRade
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

this is the COVID equivalent of Danegeld. Ransom to the thugs who wield the power (even with a ‘Conservative’ government). Expect we’ll still be raped and pillaged for the collective kow tow.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Does this supermarket begin with M by any chance?

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MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

If you mean Morrisons, they have a banner outside our local which says exactly that i.e. they are giving discounts to our ‘hero’ teachers or some such drivel. MW

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

ALDI and Tesco are doing the same near us. I could use the system but I refuse as why should I have any special treatment because of the job I do? It made a certain sense back in March when people on shift couldn’t buy essentials as they had disappeared, but there’s absolutely no reason now. I have really hated the whole deification of the NHS over the past 9 months.

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The Spingler
The Spingler
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

If anyone deserves special treatment it should be the delivery drivers who have worked throughout the pandemic on crap pay, crossing paths with 1000’s of people, ensuring the terrified middle classes can stay ‘safe’ at home. Teachers?!! You have got to be kidding.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Most definitely; unsung heroes

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Didn’t someone describe lockdown as so that the rich middle classes can stay home while the working class go to work or something to that effect?

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Lockdowns are middle class people hiding while working class people bring them things.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

That’s the one, cheers!

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Guirme
Guirme
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Not a god comment. This is nothing to do with rich versus poor, young versus old or any such divisive groupings. If you must have groupings it is those who have common sense versus the rest. My experience is that those who are critical of the nonsense come from all walks of life and indeed I have often been surprised that totally contrary to my expectations some people have been very critical indeed. It is also very clear that the ranks of the sceptics are growing – people that I talk to when I am out and about are now much more openly critical of what the politicians are doing. We are moving in the right direction albeit more slowly than I would like, but at least there is now movement.

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Guirme
Guirme
4 years ago
Reply to  Guirme

Strangely religious typo – third word should be “good”!

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Alan P
Alan P
4 years ago
Reply to  Guirme

Spot on! There is no defining group of believers or non believers. The range of types across both camps cannot be easily categorised. What there is is two very polarised positions. There appears no middle ground on this crises. It’s similar to how the recent Brexit referendum played out.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Divide and rule.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Guirme

Politicians with their guaranteed salaries are insulated against the poverty that many who’ve been made unemployed from lockdown are suddenly finding themselves in.

It absolutely is a class issue, especially in Italy where people are literally starving

Italian woman protests against lockdown which has destroyed her life and caused hunger for her and her child:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1321785323676991489?s=20

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Guirme

Bart is comparing the middle classes comfortably WFH while the workers supply their needs.
Whether they believe the nonsense is another matter.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Guirme

Skeptics United. The latest entry to the Premier League. Need uniforms, boots, socks, logos.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Guirme

i really hope more will be against getting the vaccine i want to travel and i wont get this vaccine .anyone else feel that way?

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danny
danny
4 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Completely agree. And I am a teacher myself. As such I am lucky enough to have not lost my job and I consider it my responsibility to be in school, teaching. The attempts by the unions to further terrify an entire generation of kids and deprive them of learning and being with friends is shameful.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

Hat off to you Danny.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

Blunt this may be, but working as a healthcare professional does not make you ‘brave’. The risks are a known quantity when you embark on a career in the health sector – dealing with the ill, the sick and the dying. This hero worship of people doing the job they chose really needs to be put into some perspective. Someone working in close contact with lepers in a leprosy colony, such as past missionaries was brave and self sacrificial, a soldier defying gun fire to save a colleague is brave, diving into a cold river to save someone’s life at risk of your own is brave, if we continue to abuse the definition of words such as ‘brave’, what words are left for those who truly meet the real definition.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

When I came back from overseas after 2 tours with a nice C PTSD and minus 3 of my best friends nobody told me I can jump a queue at a supermarket, or gave me any discounts. Nobody even noticed besides our neibhourghs student daughter who told me one day at a barbecue that I disgusts her as I went there to kill innocents ( apparently she learned that at Warwick Uni). Besides that there was no adulation , no clapping , no Save our forces campaigns, no adverts. That is why I refused to clap when this whole thing kicked off..Ok I lie, I did it once for my daughter as it meant a lot to her. I would clap for all the other people, the supermarket workers, the postmen, the milkman, the cleaners etc who went to work every day during this Plandemic and got ZERO acknowledgment.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

So true. Why have we made saints of those who are doing their job, having willingly signed up for it. Soldiers can and frequently are heroes – NHS staff get full pay, will get a full pension I to am very grateful for all the UNSUNG people like you mentioned who have been quietly getting on with it keepin the country going.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Totally agree. NHS workers signed up for working with the old, the ill and the dying. They are getting their full pay, will have a decent pension and have a secure job. On the other hand the business owners who have been criminally sacrificed to the behemoth that is the NHS are being metaphorically crucified. I agree with the examples you give of heroism – NHS workers don’t qualify

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

And presumably they are all jumping the queue in clothes that have spent several hours in hospitals and are, thereby, shedding virus all over the supermarket.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

I hate this faux favouritism virtue signalling bullshit.

I watched a fat sunburned twatt of a woman jump a huge queue outside my Waitrose back in May and try to blag her way in with her stupid ID card. The security were checking her out as they had watched her when she arrived in her car and checked out her ID very carefully.

I honestly couldn’t believe the sheer front of the woman.

The cheek.

I would never do that even if I did have a pass that would allow queue jumping.
Mrs 2-6 can show her carers pass id thing and jump queues but she would dream of trying to use that “privileged”.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

Slow clap them when they jump the queue.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

I’ve always been suspicious of the notion that certain professions are more “virtuous” than others and should therefore be given privileged treatment. When there was still a coal mining industry some people said “It’s a tough job, they deserve high pay”. Similar things were said about nurses. But if you try to grade all professions according to presumed virtue it becomes absurd.

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MsStroppster
MsStroppster
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

Yes special high rates….I’d charge them 50% extra and tell them to start doing the job they are bloody paid for

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

Good for you. They have attempted to brainwash the entire country into almost worshipping the monolithic monster that is the NHS.. “Save the NHS”. They get billions for treating us and waste billions on inefficient management, expensive drugs, unnecessary cosmetic surgery etc. Your business and thousands like you, run by get up and go people has been ignored and bypassed by public servants on full pay, with no initiative, looking forward to index linked pensions, whereas you have to make your own. It’s more than iniquitous, it’s criminal. And Vallance Whitty Johnson and Hancock are just the front four of this mob. You, on the other hand, are the lifeblood of this country and I am so sorry and angry for you .

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

Bojo self isolating: If I was mean spirited, l might say: “how convenient”
IF?

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

All together now:”AND SO SAY ALL OF US!!!!”
PS: AND ALL THE EXPERTS AND ADVISERS AND MOST OF ALL, THE COLLABORATORS, SHEEP AND MASKATEERS.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Been said many times by Daily Mail commenters.

Last edited 4 years ago by karenovirus
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Steph
Steph
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Yes, just issuing the same old lies via the WhatsApp group and then going into hiding. He must know by now that test & trace and the vaccine are not going to “save us”, not least because we don’t need to be saved.
He also knows that documented cases of reinfection are rarer than hen’s teeth.
However he is going to perpetuate the lie and keep us in prison until 2nd December at the earliest.
Sir Graham, how many letters are in the drawer so far? Hopefully many more will arrive early this week now we know Bojo lets his 32 year old fiancée have more say that backbenchers or indeed cabinet.
What a fool of an excuse for a PM.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Steph

How much longer will the “Sheep, etc” believe an argument that the government has clearly lost?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

At the same time the NHS is advertising for people who have had covid to donate blood plasma, boris qualifies to be a donor and so he can donate plasma to help others while self isolating himself? Is there no opposition to all this madness?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Don’t believe him. Bet this is to take the heat off Alexandra (aka Princess NutNuts – did I get that right?) and Rasputin.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Who the hell as ever believed him?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

You’d be surprised.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR9T0sH1xH4
Marilyn Monroe: You’d be surprised

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Ed Turnbull
Ed Turnbull
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I’ll happily volunteer to help Johnson ‘self-isolate’. I’ll pop round to No. 10 with some bricks and mortar and carry out a little re-creation of The Cask Of Amontillado. And, as each brick is laid, I promise you (Scout’s Honour) that I’ll take no pleasure at all in his piteous cries of “For the love of God, Montresor!”. Chin chin.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Ed Turnbull

Enjoy the Sherry.

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Recusant
Recusant
4 years ago

I picked up some furniture from Ikea over the weekend. Closing the store greatly improved the Ikea experience. Instead of having to walk all the way through the route only to find the shelf empty, I ordered online and someone brought the packs to my car. So plus one for lockdown.

But there were more than 15 people there, and the idea that buying pre-packed crap is essential and baptisms are illegal is chilling and wrong. This legislation is evil.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Recusant

I’m an atheist and I love shopping. And I profoundly agree with you.

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Disbelief
Disbelief
4 years ago

People WANT to be asleep.
They don’t WANT to have to THINK.

They want the news to tell them what to do next and what to be outraged about. So they can commiserate with their coworkers and feel like they’re apart of a group.

They want to go out every month or so and see a movie in theaters.

They want to scroll their news feeds and find things to agree with.

They want to be sedentary, fed and in a comatose.

Critical thinking is hard and to be fair, the large majority lack the intelligence and awareness to objectively pick apart historical/current events.

That is why, the youth is the answer. They always have been. That’s why the media has thrown EVERYTHING in their arsenal to manipulate them.

The youth are the only ones (realistically) that are actually living and paying attention. The sad part is, they’re too naive/ignorant to really use deductive reasoning properly. Also they’re PUMPED with hormones.

They’re the only ones WILLING to overthrow ANYTHING! They aren’t invested into society. They are the keys.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Disbelief

There are few my kids know who will rebel – their whole lives thus far have been in a virtue-signalling cloud of brain-washed nonsense fed to them by teachers, who are young enough to have had the same done to them.
This young cohort are very difficult to persuade that it is their job to rebel and fight against the system.

Last edited 4 years ago by CGL
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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Disbelief

The millenials are far gone – from my experience they’re more likely to believe in the propaganda and have been ruthlessly conformist with following the rules but its the ones after them who seem to be more sceptical and are seemingly more likely to push back,

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

Rushi Sunak reported in the Mail as considering charging motorists £1.50 per mile to cover the loss of £40billion in fuel tax as johnson nudges us towards electric cars.
All part of the Reset or do they just want the money?
It will, of course, have no greater impact on those who choose to drive gas guzzling SUVs rather than compact hybrids or indeed electric vehicles.

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Andrew Fish
Andrew Fish
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

That’s insane. To pay that much in fuel duty at present you’d need to have a car which only did about two miles to the gallon. Pre-corona, my wife and I commuted together in our car, driving about 50 miles a day. That costs us about £5. Sunak would have us pay £75 to do the same journey. Since it’s not possible to get to work on public transport from here (at least not if you want to work sane hours) that would make it impractical for us to continue working unless we could continue to work from home.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Well you have to remember that one of the primary objectives of government policy over the next few years will have to be finding ways to massively fleece us all, over and above the fleecing that routinely takes place or just replacing any additional losses in revenue due to other panic policies such as forcing an over rapid change from petrol and diesel to electric, to recover the money they’ve splurged to assuage their own panic over this new cold virus.

Never forget. Never forgive.

And remember that applies to both the government who did it to us and the Labour “opposition” who wanted to do worse.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

I think your concluding sentence might rather be the point.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fish

Practical thinking is not his forte. It’s too complicated for his muddled brain.

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paulito
paulito
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Remember the reports thatSunak was going to resign if there was a second round of house arrest while in reality, he extended furlough, one of the main things underpinning the whole scam. Sunak is just as culpable as De Piffle Johnson.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

We have all seen those purple plastic pipes they have been laying beside the motorways. Ever wondered what they are for?

They are so that they can support a network of RFID sensors above the roadway that detects your vehicles RFID tag as you pass. This is to enable pay per mile charging.

The next step is for the Tories to literally sell off the motorway network. Ker ching!

Also those blue cameras that are everywhere else. That’s the “Road Angel” network. This uses numberplate recognition to “monitor trafic levels” at the moment…However this network can be used to again base a pay per mile charging system on.

Oh yes they will scrap road tax, hurray say all the motorists…..

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

How people will moan once payback time comes.

They have been completely scammed by the establishment for years, theres nothing emergency about their introduction.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Wait until you find out about his capital gains and wealth tax plans. 33 million cars x 10,000 miles x £1.50 = 495 billion (thousand million) so some maths issues there.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Sunak is a dangerous idiot.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago

The word proportionality keeps coming to mind: the entire government strategy to date,and for the foreseeable future, is disproportionate, based as it is, on sloganising,mass manipulation, suppression of informed dissent, denial of informed consent, doom laden forecasts based on dodgy data and repudiation and ostracism of dissenting experts.

How can a supposedly mature democracy continue to promote this increasingly shaky agenda?

The chaos now unfolding at no 10, reflects the shoddy lack of conviction and integrity amongst our establishment members, both in the media, the government and the various affluent members of the so called chumocracy.

Are gagging , widespread anomie and repression likely to maintain the trust of the hitherto gullible and compliant public indefinitely?

And how exactly does no 10 expect to deal with the finalising of the Brexit negotiations, particularly the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Ireland Protocol, the SNP’s apparent mastery of the propaganda war, the looming recession and the mass redundancies?

Boris is floundering, rudderless and Carrieified.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

“The word proportionality keeps coming to mind: the entire government strategy to date,and for the foreseeable future, is disproportionate, based as it is, on sloganising,mass manipulation, suppression of informed dissent, denial of informed consent, doom laden forecasts based on dodgy data and repudiation and ostracism of dissenting experts.”

Never forget. Never forgive.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

When you have Sir Graham Brady saying in effect that if these measures were introduced in a totalitarian regime we would condemn them as evil, it’s about time Johnson, et al sat up and took notice. I will never, as long as I live, forget what has been done to us in the name of “controlling the virus” “save the NHS” etc. These are slogans for a country under the rule of a tyrant – the country that we have become, without our consent and against our will. Forget – forgive- never.

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

Boris Johnson ‘said partner would be angry’

https://mol.im/a/8951629

”But a number10 figure claimed Miss Symonds ‘bombards’ (Mr Johnson) with texts and everyone in Downing Street knows about their rows.
I used to get angry with him for letting her get away with it, but now I just feel sorry. He looks very unhappy. It is as though she has taken him hostage. It cannot go on because it is terrible for our country”

Yes, she definitely has him by the short and curlies. I posted my concerns yesterday that she may be high maintenance.

I know from personal experience how this type of person (man or woman) works. They go after their prey, all sweetness and light. Once the prey is captured, the captor turns into a demanding monster, becomes pregnant or ensures that their partner becomes pregnant, creates a child who can be used as a bargaining tool and rules their victim by threats and text messages.

If Bozo walks away from Carrie and their baby now, he will be accused of being a heartless beast. If he does not, she will continue to wield power over him without being elected.

This will not end well for the country or for Bozo. More fool him.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

My thoughts exactly: the speedy conception and pregnancy , following yet another instance of Boris’s wandering willy exploits seemed to me to be a hook with which to ensure control and demand for the long term.

A classic power grab.

Boris has now lost the little credibility he had back in the day.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Boris’s Wandering Willy. The Wanderer and his Willy Shadow.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

See also Meghan.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Pig Dictator and Princess Nut Nuts are both full-blown NPD. They deserve each other.

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Recusant
Recusant
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

But he is a heartless beast. Character is destiny, and this is where his character is leading us.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

This to me reeks of Harry and Meghan Part 2. Both men are trapped and are reaping what they’ve sown.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Classic Lady Macbeth stuff.

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Cambridge N
Cambridge N
4 years ago

A dawning, terrible realisation, not least for me since March is that the NHS kills or damages people either through sins of omission or sins of commission.

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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

I read a post on a local ‘Live’ page from a current nurse who said that, far from having a right to treatment from the NHS because they had paid into it for 50 or more years (my father since the day it began), old people had used up all their credits and should expect to be sacrificed for the feckless and obese who had never worked in their lives, and for recent entrants to the country.

That is the mindset that threw the elderly out of hospitals to infect others in care homes, is is now subjecting those left in care homes to inhuman incarceration. Meanwhile my father is terrified to attend hospital for tests into what may be bowel cancer because, at nearly 90, he believes that it will kill him. He’s more afraid of the hospital than the potential cancer, and he was married to a nurse for years.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

I’m with your father I’m afraid, best of luck to both of you. NHS disabled my father with a lumbar puncture and then refused him treatment or respite while we rushed to convert his house because he had too much saved despite having paid in since the beginning and paid taxes for 70 years. They got my lecture about his having fought totalitarianism from Japan to USSR for 31 years in the Indian and then British armies. Made no difference of course but I felt a litttle better.

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VickyA
VickyA
4 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

I once suggested to a Nurse that the NHS should adopt the philosophy of Chinese medicine. Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners would only be paid if their patients remained healthy. This suggestion was greeted with horror.
But I’m afraid we have multiple systems in all areas of society that reward failure. If we could turn that around, that’s the kind of “reset” I could support.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  Cambridge N

It’s a monster totally out of control.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
4 years ago

Having read up until the reader who kindly added the information that our dictator, sorry, leader has up her sleeve for Scotland in the coming weeks, makes me leave a comment.

She may give a reprieve to us on Christmas day by moving temporarily tier 4 down to tier 2. How extremely generous of her. Just in case anyone is unclear ( most of Scotland certainly is) on what the tiers this dictator dreamed up to punish us is, tier 4 is LOCKDOWN, there is no tier 5 as she decided on tier 0.

So for Christmas day the little stasi is allowing the Scots to have Christmas dinner outside, yes outside in groups of no more than 6, in Scotland, on the west coast of Scotland where the wind blows every time there is as storm somewhere over the Atlantic and as for the rain well, let’s leave it at that.

Now I know my fellow skeptics believe me but just in case here is tier 2 rules from our dictatorships website.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-protection-levels/pages/protection-level-2/

I can only hope this reader is wrong but somehow I don’t think so.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

I’m dreading the next step up in the incarceration stakes, living,as I do, on the wet and windy West Coast; the current monsoon promises to be with us for some time yet.

Masks everywhere, zombies abound, Sturgeonising ad nauseam.

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Kf99
Kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Are there any sceptical MPs (or MSPs) in Scotland, in any party?

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Guirme
Guirme
4 years ago
Reply to  Kf99

My MP and MSP are both SNP extreme nutters who will hear no criticism whatsoever of their mad leader. Scotland has become a very evil dictatorship.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Guirme

It really has. Utterly evil. Such a shame.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Agreed. Sir Graham Brady, Chairman of the 1922 Committee has said that if these measures were imposed under a totalitarian regime we would condemn them as evil. They are evil. Inhumane, despotic, tyrannical, heartless and totally evil and those who impose them are likewise evil. We praise those in Belarus who march against a totalitarian dictator – should we not be doing likewise?

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago
Reply to  Kf99

No, unfortunately not.
I’ve challenged my MP by email recently, hoping that she, as a former consultant surgeon,would respond at least with some consideration of the many points raised: nothing.

Last edited 4 years ago by wendyk
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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

I feel so sorry for you. Not sure who is worse, the Sturgeon or Johnson with his “we will give the virus an left and right hit” type of rhetoric. We all have tyrannical and totally useless leaders, being led by the nose by lying medicos and discredited scientists and the only way is a mass revolt and civil disobedience. And this is a 74 year grandmother advocating it. I live in the balmy south west of England and I’m expecting my Christmas to be a trip by car up to Dartmoor rather than seeing my granddaughters. No wonder the suicide rate is going through the roof sometimes I feel like driving off the local cliff

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John Stone
John Stone
4 years ago

I wrote to my MP yesterday:

Dear Catherine,

Let me be clear, I do not think anyone should ever put false information up on the web but if people are prevented from discussing vaccine data or experiences this will give a false picture. Politicians have a completely unrealistic view. For example, last year Jon Ashworth wrote an editorial in The Times where he only gave a single example of “vaccine misinformation”:

“I’ve found posts from terrified parents asking for advice on how to make sure their newborn babies aren’t taken away from them shortly after birth to be vaccinated.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-government-can-t-just-blame-social-media-for-our-vaccination-crisis-cffq2bwhp

But, in fact, he did not understand what he was reading because the correspondents were almost certainly writing from the US where infants are given Hep B vaccine at birth. I wonder whether he cares about his own piece of vaccine misinformation – he did seem appalled that an infant should be vaccinated at birth and perhaps he should speak out further against this barbaric American practice. Perhaps he should be prosecuted for his own misinformation, I don’t know.

Meanwhile, Labour is indifferent to the “chumocracy” behind government contracts including presumably vaccine contracts.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/george-pascoe-watson-among-lobbyists-given-secret-access-to-covid-meetings-tzxkc0jkp

Or note the excellent editorial by Kamran Abbasi at BMJ: “Covid politicisation, “corruption” and the suppression of science”.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425

I fear Labour have been so busy virtue signalling during the Covid episode that they have failed to do any useful or competent job as an opposition.

The cult of the immaculate vaccine deserves ridicule. We have no idea whether there will ever be a safe effective Covid vaccine and actually it seems very unlikely: the only certainty is the industry will clean us out with Labour helping by trying to suppress information and debate.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  John Stone

Excellent. It sums up the traps they will end up laying for themselves. To try and police misinformation is absolutely impossible.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

There are some good interviews on this site

https://lawfulrebel.com/

Check out 119

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago

Apologies for dumb technical legal question. 

I think I remember reading, on here or elsewhere, that you can’t be arrested for breaking the current covid restrictions – e.g. not wearing a mask, or meeting at someone’s house. Is this correct?? Would Piers Corbyn agree?

If you can’t be arrested, how can you be fined (unless you want to be)? If you are stopped and questioned, can’t you just refuse to say anything, and eventually they have to let you go? 

I’m sure there is probably a simple explanation here – probably that you can be arrested, at least if you persist in your actions – and would be grateful if anyone could cast some light on the proper procedures. 

Incidentally, I understand that if you are driving a vehicle you are obliged to give a police officer your details, but am happy to be corrected on this. 

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

My understanding is that the lockdown & facemask rules are Statutory Instruments (SIs) made under the Public Health Act, I think that you can be fined fro breaking the requirements of those statutory instruments. I think that people are getting arrested for public order offences which it is quite easy for the police to do.
The validity of the covid SIs made under the Public Health Act are being questioned.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Yes, that makes sense, and ties in with my current understanding.

But if you are in breach of one of the covid SIs and are challenged by a police officer and you simply refuse to say anything, what can the police officer do? Arrest you?

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Gillian
Gillian
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

As I understand it, you have to identify yourself to any police officer reasonably suspecting the commission of a criminal offence by you, so you have to give name, address and DoB if asked (if you refuse, you will be arrested and hauled to the police station where steps will be taken to identify you by eg searching your wallet or other means). If you do give your details without being arrested in response to the requirement to do so, the officer can then give you a fixed penalty notice without arresting you. If you pay that, that’s the end of the matter (although the notice will show on a criminal record check for a time at least and may have consequences for eg getting a visa to the USA or other countries or certain job applications). If you don’t pay it or challenge it within the time allowed, it racks up as a fine and can be enforced as if it were a fine (possibly imprisonment, but only after a long process). If you challenge it within the time allowed, you may/will get summonsed to court to plead guilty or not guilty. If you plead guilty you will get fined (at a rate higher than the FPN) and that is enforceable as any other fine. If you plead not guilty you will be tried before the magistrates and may be found guilty (and then fined even more than if you had pled guilty) or found not guilty (end of story). The police don’t need to arrest you to start off the process with the issue of a FPN.

Last edited 4 years ago by Gillian C
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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

I didn’t think these FPN’s appeared on criminal record checks if you just paid up. If they do, that could be a big problem for some of us.

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Gillian
Gillian
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

In Scotland, they show up on an enhanced criminal record check for a period of time. Situation in England probably similar. It depends what sort of check the checking authority is carrying out. For some jobs (eg working with children) it will be an enhanced check but the existence of the notice on your record would not necessarily rule you out but it would show up and then would depend on the relevance to the potential employer. For visa purposes for some countries, anything on your record could be problematic.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

Thanks. Just did a quick bit of research. It seems that in England, FPNs would not be listed on a basic disclosure but can be added to an enhanced one at the discretion of the police. Apparently it’s unusual for them to do so, but in these strange times who knows.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

Many thanks Gillian for such a comprehensive explanation.

Am I correct to infer that infringing the covid SIs constitutes a criminal – i.e. arrestable – offence?

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

no read the legislation, the word arrest does not appear anywhere in the text at all.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

I think the regulations come under Civil Law, therefore you wouldn’t be committing a criminal offence.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

That’s appalling!

I say the UK is a totalitarian shit hole

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

You are not committing a criminal offence, the SI under health legislation is not an act of parliament, and the penalties (FPN) are exactly the same type of penalties as parking tickets. They are enforced by fines. You cannot be arrested for any contravention of the SI. Police and various others ie Envirnomental officers, who are specifically employed to monitor compliance with health legisilation ie rats in the kitchen etc can issue FPN’s you never see the police enforcing restaurant cleanliness FPN’s do you. The FPN’s being isssued are under the same statute (not law) as the restaurant and other health checks.
Its utter bollocks. So yes if you are stopped in the street for walking too close etc by some snivelling PCSO, likewise COVID marshals what ever that means have no powers whatsoever. I believe that you are OK just to refuse to give details, they cant arrest you, carry copy of the SI on your phone MabelCow issued a link to it, then you will always be better informed than who ever is challenging you. Here is a link to the day to day management of health regulations which the government is using to enforce lockdown and all the other restrictions. Notice reason and proportionality is key to enforcement, his should be done at every stage, not flying in mob handed as the police insist on doing. The charges for not complying with the FPN are just a scale of increased payments. Cautions and or prosections are for serious breaches of the legislation ie causing mass food poisoning of customers, repeated breaches of advice ie rats in the bakery, even there they are more likely to shut you down with advice that to re open you must put it all in order then you can reopen etc than sending it to the CPS
https://www.tunbridgewells.gov.uk/environment/environmental-health-enforcement-policy

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

Many thanks iansn – as I’ve replied to Quernus below, doesn’t this mean that, in effect, if a police officer asks why you are not wearing a mask, and you simply say because I don’t want to, he can’t arrest you, and can’t compel you to give him your name and address so he can fine you.

So the law is unenforceable? You only get a fine if you want one? (or they trick you.)

Incidentally, you’re not related to ianess on the Speccie site are you?

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Quernus
Quernus
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Have a read of this thread in The Light written by a former police officer. We should all keep this close at hand. It sets out very clearly what the police obligations are, and what they have to do to comply with PACE, etc.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1327725769745952777.html

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Quernus

Great! Thanks.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Quernus

Thanks, I think I saw an extract of this on this site – hence my question.

The way I’m reading this though, is that if a police officer asks why you are not wearing a mask, and you simply say because I don’t want to, he can’t arrest you, and can’t compel you to give him your name and address so he can fine you.

In which case fines are voluntary?

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

Adolf Johnson retreats to his bunker once more. How convenient.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Someone should do another Downfall parody about this.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/15/immune-systems-covid-19-politicians-virus

A somewhat confused article in the Guardian – acknowledges the body’s immune system and that the body does not retain substantial levels of antibodies after infection but can produce these if the virus in question reappears, but includes this bon mot:

“This suggests that vaccines may provide more potent, durable protection than natural infection.”

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Jakehadlee
Jakehadlee
4 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

Isn’t it time we started calling these people “immunity deniers”?

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

Symptomatics in UK continues to decline. Decline started before lockdown – lockdown just slowed it a bit (presumably locking up 500,000 symptomatics 24 hours with their families would do that)

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
4 years ago

Carl H about to be on Talk Radio. Followed by Obergruppenfuhrer Hancock. Should be interesting.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

Wanksock on GMB this morning apparently. Against my better judgement, I’ve tuned in. Piers is getting worse in the bedwetter stakes !

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Brave!

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

FFS will you listen, they are on the list already I can’t keep adding them every day

There will no room for anyone else.

Their entries are already more numerous than PNN’s texts (well perhaps not) but I sure you know what I mean

I do have have a life you know, I never asked to spend my waking days writing PM and MH’s names on lists

I’d like to be taken out once in a while, you know to the pub or something, get my hair done, go to a restaurant

NO! I WILL NOT WAIT TILL DECEMBER YOU FECKIN CHEAPSKATE

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Just doing “a reccy”. Wanksock bumbling away already.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Your forgiven but I want something nice for Christmas, not the usual crap

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Pig Dictator 2021 calendar?

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

You need to use a more recent version of Excel to avoid the 16,000 line limit 😉

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Taking one for the team!

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

So the brain damaged pig dictator is going to be locked in cell for 14 days with Princess Nut Nuts

A fate worse than a fate worse than death as Captain Blackadder once opined

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Was he ACTUALLY “pinged” by the app? Is this verifiable? Was he pinged on a personal or work phone? Are the people he has been in contact with now going to have to needlessly isolate? All valid questions.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Not the people he has been in contact with, just him and others in contact with Lee Anderson. He said he was contacted by test and trace, so maybe nothing to do with the app (if it’s not all a fantasy). The app wouldn’t tell you who the contact was anyway.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

They phone you, though as I understand it they don’t tell you who the contact was so he probably found that out directly. Whether they really phoned him or not is hard to say – he’s hardly going to announce he is self isolating and admit that T&T didn’t work. I suppose if he is lying someone could check the phone records.

The numbers they use to call you are on public record and can be pre-blocked easily on an iPhone

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

a lot of people have given the No 10 switchboard number as their contact number 🙂

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

He could have a test and be back at work in no time. Definitely a sham.

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Helen
Helen
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

now that he’s out of a job the Donald might try to get your ones job off ‘ve him..if you are lucky (or do I mean unlucky who knows).. he’s been trying to get Angie’s job off’ve her….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp2A1lvoJRc&feature=youtu.be

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

or it could have been staged?

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Poetic justice though, something to add to the gaiety of the Nation in these dark times.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Messalina Nut Nuts.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago

While I am not in favour of rejecting JHB’s support for the anti-lockdown cause on the basis that she is not ‘all in’, she is driving me insane this morning. Banging on about lack of social distancing at Downing Street being the problem. Oh christ! Heneghan seems to be going along with this – apparently they should have been using Zoom. Shoot me now.

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anon
anon
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

agree

it’s sad to see

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Helen
Helen
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

he’s part of the problem in my opinion these scientists just can not see the woods for the trees

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Helen

He has been consistent from early on in quietly and systematically debunking a huge part of what SAGE and the government have come out with, and has written very strongly, often, to criticise the approach. That doesn’t seem like being “part of the problem” to me.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

He was prattling on about testing, testing, testing when I last heard him a couple of months ago. Not sure if he dare fully challenge the narrative.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Me neither. She’s nowhere near as smart as she thinks she is.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

I fear that if Heneghan is man down, then it’s all immatieral.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

He has been very cautious from the start, and stuck to his specialty. Whether that’s by inclination or because he doesn’t want to get attacked or defunded or accused of playing politics, we don’t know.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Indeed. But I didn’t think I’d hear him talking about extending school holidays, or, at this point, that work should be done via zoom – he used to be very clear that life could and should go on as normally as possible (or at least that’s what I understood him to say). I do think he’s falling into line increasingly, whatever the reason.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

And this is why the world is heading towards totalitarianism. Because scientists have abandoned science to protect their funding.

Their funding might make things less unpleasant for a while in a dystopia. Until it runs out

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  James

“world is heading towards totalitarianism”
Indeed, so we need to support all those who are working to repeal the CV Act and bring this so-called government to heel.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

It’s not heading towards totalitarianism – look at our lack of freedom – we are there already

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Just heard a replay of what Heneghan said. He said Boris set the rules and he has to abide by the rules – it is nothing to do with science and logic and everything to do with PR and staying on message.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

That’s more like it. I only heard the first couple of minutes, so perhaps I was being unduly pessimistic

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

That’s a relief! Thanks.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

She’s controlled opposition. A Quisling. I don’t trust him either. Just my humble opinion

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/7-ways-protect-against-covid/ (paywall). My flabber is gasted. No mention of “wear a mask”.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago

I do fear for my future with no travel to look forward to. At the moment my principles will win, but not sure for how long. I long to see the other parts of the world, and share experiences with my OH and kids. It’s what we work for – nothing else comes close. We collect memories, not stuff.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

That freedom will not return after taking a vaccine. The only way it returns is when those who have done this to us are held to account.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

Note to editors: baptism is not only for babies.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Isn’t a baptism central to the Catholic faith? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

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Recusant
Recusant
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Baptism is central to all Christians. Christ’s final command was to make disciples of all nations and baptise. It is the sine qua non of Christianity.

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James
James
4 years ago

Shielding from the media whilst the establishment jostles to bring in totalitarianism via Keir Starmer

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A jab in the dark
A jab in the dark
4 years ago

I recently had my seasonal ‘flu jab encountering my local GP Surgery looking more like an episode of Chernobyl, and I hope that in a year’s time that picture will have been replaced by the same warmer welcome of 2019. I am not anticipating a Covid-19 vaccine in the near future be it one at minus 70 Centigrade or the more usual stuff becuse the race to be first tese days does not often mean the winner is the best. The latest Test’n’Trace debacle has confirmed to me what a disaster we have made of the NHS and public health matters in the last decade or so and that is where the good money needs to go if we are not going to keep repeating this farce annually..

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Hoppy Uniatz
Hoppy Uniatz
4 years ago

This Government has squandered the trust of the people in the same way that Gordon Brown squandered the pensions.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Hoppy Uniatz

I suspect politicians the world over are being bribed, coerced or blackmailed by whoever is issuing orders for governments to lockdown and impose restrictions. Only Belarus said ‘No’

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Belarus said No to The World Bank.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Check out the latest statements from Christine Lagarde.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago

Tory MP gets pub ban for LIFE: Andy Carter is barred from every local in his constituency after voting for lockdown 10pm curfew

  • DM

after a very depressing morning read of the news, this article cheered me up somewhat. This should be done everywhere to all zealot MPs.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

and from hairdressers, churches, corner shops, gyms, etc we can isolate him from all human contact till the end of his days

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Don’t just do that. Hound him – you can find out his email and email him/her and any other MP you like,. Bolster the 39 who opposed the second lockdown and harass the others. Try to make their lives the hell that they think fit to inflict on the rest of us

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paulito
paulito
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Totally agree. Ostracise every single one of the monsters. Treat them like the pariahs that they are.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

And their families as well. See how they like it.

Now to make it clear I don’t believe in collective punishment but since what they’re inflicting on us is collective punishment then their spouses and kiddies should carry the can as well to see how their insane diktats have inflicted damage on people and the economy.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Refuse them food at the grocers, the bakeries, etc. Haggis every day for Sturgeon.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Find out their email (they’re not worth a stamp). mail them, harass them, and email the ones who are anti lockdown to bolster them. It only takes a minute.

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago

So, Boris the butcher’s dog has come within sniffing distance of someone who has had the crap snot test.

Who else is infected in the Downing Street plague-pit? No wonder the rats have baled out.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Will the pig dictators latest mistress have to isolate?

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Van Allen
Van Allen
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Whilst I realise that this particular self isolation period is very convenient for Boris, I do think that all MP’s and their family should be PCR tested at least twice a week. Only when the the stupidity and inconvenience of false positives affects them and their loved ones will they do something about it.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

They should be made to live in a bubble like the elite sports people and TV show casts – away from their families

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

And extracurriculars!

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stevie119
stevie119
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I`m a politician – get me out of here!

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

I think politicians, civil servants, high profile journalists, Jacinda Ardern, Jeremy Corbyn et al are exempt from PCR testing

The tests are for the plebs

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

They should all do one day a week as Covid Wombles.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

Yeah, down their throats and up their hooters.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

The brave boys in blue wear Black. A paramilitary black seemingly influenced by terrorism, contrary to what the politicians say, terrorism has changed our way of life. The boys in blue flare their trousers over the top of their boots, they display a greyed out version of the union flag. With the current attacks on rights and freedoms it is curious the boys in blue now dress in a fashion influenced by terrorism.

Boys in blue is no longer an appropriate term of description. Simply put yourself in the mind of a victim of crime and then encounter one of these black-uniformed people it is not a confidence giving impression. The uniform is there to intimidate it does not lend respect to the wearers who often hide their hands in their pockets or behind their plate vests.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Black was de rigueur for the SS

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Brownshirts

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Not helped by also wearing muzzles even in the great outdoors.

Every time I see them, I cross the street to avoid them.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

And hide their ID numbers behind their strategically placed phones.

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Kf99
Kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Agree it’s very odd. No politician has ever seems to raise this issue. The uniforms changed very rapidly about 10 or 20 years ago in the name of “practicality”. The stab vests and all the rest of it could easily be concealed behind normal clothes, not worn like a badge of honour.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

They’ve locked themselves in the bunker and won’t come out, or talk to anyone

Victory is ours

Just the tidying up now

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago

To all those who would ban vaccine dissent and support adherence to the government line, I will say one thing – weapons of mass destruction.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Indeed. As Peter Hitchens wrote last weekend:

If Watergate happened today, Nixon would get away with it. If WMD were alleged today, you’d never know they didn’t exist.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

So true. Journalists used to be able to investigate and publish without being censored

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jhfreedom
jhfreedom
4 years ago

Not sure if you can see this piece from the WSJ:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-covid-surge-u-s-restrictions-11605466754?mod=hp_lead_pos1

If you can’t then this quote will give you the gist of it:

“Now, it is everywhere. People are becoming infected not just at big gatherings, but when they let their guard down, such as by not wearing a mask, while going about their daily routines or in smaller social settings that they thought of as safe—often among their own families or trusted friends.”

Add to this the Boris news, in which his group were put at risk despite the precautions.

And overnight, the two of Biden’s top Covid advisors stated:

“If we just lock down the entire country without targeting our efforts, then we are going to exacerbate the ‘pandemic fatigue’ people are feeling, you’re going to hurt jobs and the economy…”

I sense we are getting to the point where there is little that can be done to practically stop this virus now. You would need to hide in a cave to halt the spread, and we are well past the point of any public willingness to do that, regardless of how many people it kills. So whether sceptic or zealot, aren’t we converging on the same place, namely a get-on-with-it fatalism?

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

Covid seems to be one big con, paving the way for many people with agenda’s.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

“Seems” to be?!

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Indeed.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

We can’t stop viruses. It’s better to let them spread so immunity develops.

Do we stop living because people die? More people die globally from starvation and heart disease

We live with nature’s risks, as we’ve always done, or we imprison ourselves and stop living to stay alive

This is not ebola

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

“So whether sceptic or zealot, aren’t we converging on the same place, namely a get-on-with-it fatalism?”

FFS! Just think how many lives, how much past and future misery, could have been spared if the likes of the WSJ and the media/political elites it serves had been wise enough to recognise that reality nine months ago!

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jhfreedom
jhfreedom
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The WSJ’s editorial team are actually quite sceptical versus their newsroom. There was an internal coup of sorts recently there that is worth a read! Also, I’m not sure the article arrives at my conclusion, but the points it raised suggested there’s little worth in chasing this anymore. However, we will face the ‘we must redouble our efforts’ gang before we get to this state of helplessness (or enlightenment).

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

Pretty sure I have a WSJ subscription somewhere, but I’ve not been keeping up with viewing it. From what you write, perhaps I should have made more of an effort.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

I’m perfectly happy for us to reach this point, as long as these people then step down and are never in positions to influence again. They failed the logic test.

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jhfreedom
jhfreedom
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Yes I agree, their route has killed hundreds of thousands in the process. Still, better get there than not at all?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

Get-on-with-it fatalism is where the little old ladies were before lockdown 1.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

Stop denying HCQ.

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

So we all need to come out, live life as it is meant to be lived, take our chance as we do every day in daily life, and realise that we have a minute chance of dying or being ill from this virus(why is it called now “the virus”? There are hundreds of viruses,) And before anyone asks, I’m over 70, so am supposed to be “vulnerable”

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Hancock on Talk Radio soon

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Shame, they haven’t arrested the bastard yet then.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

BBC

On Thursday Mr Johnson spent about 35 minutes with Tory MP Lee Anderson, who lost his sense of taste the next day.

I beg to differ, I think Mt Anderson lost is sense of taste on Wednesday

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

This ‘lost of taste’ symptom should only appear after high temperature and feeling lousy.

Anderson then tested positive using a very unreliable test, that does not mean he has it. As the PM has been affected (T&T) Anderson should get further tests and symptom verification to confirm the Covid diagnosis

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

dePiffle should be tested!

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Is it not the loss of taste a result of the immune system commandeering all the vitamin D?

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

There is no way Corbyn would have been worse than this joke of a man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlGTrk2dLWc

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I couldn’t have been more anti-Corbyn, for many reasons. However, he could not have been worse than PD. The bloated, overreaching state, debt, intrusion on liberty, dishonesty, etc etc. PD is worse than what I feared Corbyn would have been.

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Chicot
Chicot
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

At a guess, Pig Dictator.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Pig Dictator?

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Kevin 2
Kevin 2
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Pernicious Disaster.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

Pig Dictator. Thanks to Cecil B for the catchy moniker.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

How did this man ever become prime minister ?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Gullible people voted for him.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

I have no idea of the long term safety of any new vaccine.
I have no idea whether it will prevent very old people dying.
I have no idea whether it will prevent transmission.
But then neither do the makers of it.
But I do know that I should be able to ask why would I want a vaccine with an alleged 90% success in reducing mild symptoms of a virus to which 90% are immune.
Why would I want a vaccine for a virus that has killed only about 300 healthy people under 60?
Finally how can Starmer, a former human rights lawyer agitate to deny me the right to ask those questions?

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

The vaccines will be regular ‘updates’ for life, guaranteeing indefinite and secure profits for Pharma, and tied to immunity passports which will serve as a Chinese style social credit system of control

It’s about money and control

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Looks like it.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Let us find ways to derail it.

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Van Allen
Van Allen
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

So pro-vaccine misinformation is fine but anything that questions the necessity, efficacy or safety is not? Extremely disturbing.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

Very, very sinister.

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Spot on! I’m going to share your post with friends and family who are under the spell

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Great post

But I do know that I should be able to ask why would I want a vaccine with an alleged 90% success in reducing mild symptoms of a virus to which 90% are immune.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

‘Finally how can Starmer, a former human rights lawyer, agitate to deny me the right to ask those questions?

Because he’s a fraud. The United Nations Declaration on Human Rights is not as airtight as we think. Not well written either.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

He has allegiance to the Trilateral Commission, a Rockefeller institution.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Don’t know what planet they are on, but their waffling sounds utterly ridiculous now. Every speech is filled with Nudge Unit repetitions

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

All working from the same script

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paulito
paulito
4 years ago

Good choice of theme tune today. Doesn’t the chorus of Carrie go something like “Carrie doesn’t live here anymore”. if only Cliff were talking about Downing Street.

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paologrigio
paologrigio
4 years ago

Imagine a Venn diagram of the world. Within the UK circle, we’d have a much smaller circle representing the NHS. By trying to protect/save that small circle, we’re causing immense damage to the larger UK circle without which the NHS circle could not even exist.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

‘For 24 days I’ve been living next door to Carrie

Who the feck is Carrie’

Thanks Rishi please exit stage left

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pwl
pwl
4 years ago

They must think the British are a special kind of stupid with this second crack at Boris’ adventures with Covid-19 horse manure – and they would be right.

This is what happened the first time:

Boris Johnson’s big lie in, and lying; Part One

Boris Johnson’s big lie in, and lying; Part Two

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
4 years ago
Reply to  pwl

This amongst other quotes caught my attention, “Could anyone read this and not understand that Johnson was in rude health, and also wonder if in fact he was in too good a shape to warrant being in intensive care?”

I noted more recently when the BBC was interviewing “COVID” admissions in Liverpool that one of the people they spoke to clearly wasn’t as “ill” as portrayed. Despite being on oxygen therapy the patient (an elderly gentleman) had a remarkable ability to speak lucidly without pausing to gasp for breath which caused me to remark that there doesn’t seem to be much wrong with him and his ability breath and talk at the same time.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  pwl

That “we” chose war against coronavirus is a despicable piece of gaslighting to have us understand that “we” are responsible for the economic ruination of a lockdown. You are going to see more of this in the coming weeks.

Written on April 16th!

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

Bojo says he’s “as fit as a butcher’s dog”
To misquote Churchill: “Some butcher, some dog!”

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Butcher dogs eat meat and bones. What will the Vegans say?

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Even talk of a vaccine is playing to the Dr Evil’s

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago

Have just started reading St Augustine’s City of God and this seems to be very apt in our current situation especially with those who simply go along because they want a quiet life and still believe the propaganda:

“They are not so afraid of the wicked as to yield to their villainous threat to the extent of committing crimes like theirs; but though they do not commit them they too often fail to reprehend them, for although they might perhaps convert some by such rebuke they fear that, if the attempt failed, their safety and reputation might be endangered or destroyed.”

And this I think can refer to the lockdownistas, mask zealots and zombies:

“And this is not due to prudence, nor is it because they see their reputation and safety as essential means whereby mankind may receive the benefit of instruction; it is rather due to weakness – because they delight in flattery and popularity and because they dread the judgement of the mob, and the torture or death of the body. In fact, they are constrained by self-interest, not by the obligations of charity.”

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Stanley Milgram’s experiments come to mind

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

St Augustine was a very, very wise man.

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danny
danny
4 years ago

Have you never seen a Disney film? It’s all those strings of sausages they steal.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

He thinks the plebs all talk like they do in Mary Poppins and Eastenders and Only Fools and Horses… only very posh people these days shop at a butcher.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Yes, the modern equivalent would be “as fit as a gang member on steroids in a fully equipped state-of-the-art prison gym”.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Hancock says more people than ever are taking the flu vaccine. Because they reduced the Free vaccine age to 60.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

So the fear porn worked did it?

Last edited 4 years ago by CGL
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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Headline ness in Northern Ireland is that we are short 200,000 doses. Prepare for the worst.

Someone should let them know that flu was eradicated in March

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Someone should let them know that flu was eradicated in March

EASY PROFIT!

Flu vaccines are triggering the PCR for even more “positives”… In the Plantation where I live they started the (profitable) FLU jab in Sept 28, see for yourself!

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MORE “PANDEMIC” CASES… so they can go on testing the tools for the next operation.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

W.C. Fields said that a sucker is born every minute. How right he was.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

There are billions of those every year getting the flu jab!

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Might Flu Shots Increase COVID-19 Pandemic Risk?

  • A 2020 study found people were 36% more likely to get some form of coronavirus infection if they had been vaccinated against influenza
  • People who received the trivalent influenza vaccine during the 2008-2009 flu season were between 1.4 and 2.5 times more likely to get infected with pandemic H1N1 in the spring and summer of 2009 than those who did not get the seasonal flu vaccine
  • A double-blind, placebo-controlled study on ferrets confirmed the results, showing the seasonal influenza vaccine did worsen symptoms after subsequent exposure to the H1N1 virus
  • A 2011 study found the seasonal flu vaccine may weaken children’s immune systems and increase their chances of getting sick from influenza viruses not included in the vaccine
  • In a 2012 study, children receiving inactivated influenza vaccines had a 4.4 times higher relative risk of contracting noninfluenza respiratory virus infections in the nine months following their inoculation

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/08/will-the-flu-shot-help-with-coronavirus.aspx

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

That is OLD! Since the 60’s 70’s we know (apparently we forgot!) that influenza artificial infections (vaccines) create the conditions for other viruses/bacteria to replicate.

There are plenty of that going around
“Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season”
See table 5

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Many of these bacteria are capable of mutating. So what’s the point?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

What’s the point of what?!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

How can he claim that it’s free? Who paid for it?

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

Surely to god letters must be going to Graham Brady?

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago

What the actual fuck is Doris doing in isolation???? A very convenient way for him to again hide from scrutiny. What a complete tosser

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pwl
pwl
4 years ago

So, is Johnson going to have a sun-cult symbolic resurrection at the Winter Solstice like he did at Ishtar? That would be right in your faces, and you people still wouldn’t get it.

Boris Johnson’s big lie in, and lying; Part One

Covid-19 as a modern day variant of an antique technocratic control device

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  pwl

excellent, thanks

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  pwl

One can’t help but wonder if Johnson had been at Chequers the entire time.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

Please please please god wake us all up from this never ending nightmare.

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Nic
Nic
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Yes are lives are being destroyed for no reason.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Nic

and businesses and jobs

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Mrs issedoff
Mrs issedoff
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I feel exactly the same, but it is amazing the amount of people who seem unfazed by it all. My sister said to me yesterday, ‘stop getting wound up, we both have a nice houses and food on the table”. So that makes what this lying evil government are doing ok then!?, what about the people who no longer have or certainly won’t have much longer?. I have to keep my distance from people who I would really like to punch.

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago

I notice that Hancock has changed the narrative back to number of “cases” from hospital admissions, and picks a single day’s results to illustrate a rise.

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
4 years ago

The prime minister is isolating for a fortnight even though he feels as fit as a butcher’s dog. Two questions.

Can you have Covid and feel as fit as a butcher’s dog?

And if so what is the probability if you are in that condition that you can infect someone else.?

What’s the “science” on this? Is it all guess work?

I’d like to know because all year so far I’ve been feeling ticketyboo – I’d hate to think, maskless as I have been, I’ve been infecting people.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Ned of the Hills

We’re witnessing a PCR test pandemic or casedemic. Stop the PCR tests and life returns to normal

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  James

A PCR/SNOT fake pandemic planned (last training) in Oct2019 in New York, and execute masterfully via Bill Gates controlled WHO…

And the fun part… it is working! The herd of modern moron slaves really believe ALL this garbage.
Just look at them wearing muzzles, and self-isolating and all the rest of the nonsense…

The always present factor for ALL these past fake pandemics is that they always use “pneumonia”!

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Ned of the Hills

There isn’t any science, Ned. They assume that asymptomatic transmission is possible. Precautionary principle again.

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Thank you for that.

I’ve just read the first piece above and it does say:-

“Even if a patient is a-symptomatic, they may still be able to pass on the virus to people they are in close contact with.”

But is that just an assumption. How would they know? Does someone turn up at hospital with the disease and say:

“Don’t know how I got this – I haven’t been out the house for month. Ethel’s the other only person in the house, she goes out for the shopping, but she’s been fine.”

Ergo Ethel picked it up going shopping but she’s asymptomatic and has passed it on. Proof! But would it be? It could have been picked up from the half pound of pork sausages she brought back.

Then there’s that sub-clause “close contact” – can that be just brushing shoulders with someone as you pass in to the supermarket?

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Ned of the Hills

Yes, Ned. It’s an assumption. Dr Claire Craig hasn’t been able to find anything in the literature to support the idea, other than a few studies from early on in China.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

But he is supposed to have had the “disease” and would be immune.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Ned of the Hills

He doesn’t claim to have covid. He’s been near someone who got a positive test and conveniently claims he needs to quarantine.
Why hasn’t dePiffle taken a test?!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Seems, you can fool parliament all of the time

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James
James
4 years ago

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  James

ALL ARE WELCOME!

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Tasteless is to kind a word for this montage.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Ned of the Hills

Do not worry… You’ll taste it.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago

Did he call Professor Carl Heneghan, a general practitioner physician, director of the University of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, and a Fellow of Kellogg College (He is also Editor-in-Chief of BMJ Evidence-Based Medicine) – a liar? Or did he just the evidence based scientist is wrong?

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

I think he said outlier. But that was the implication.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Surely Sir Carl will come back on that later?

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Galileo was an outlier as well.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Outlier. Liar. Matt’s the Outlying Liar.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Covid Friendly loans from The World Bank. All aboard!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Pish – who needs evidence

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Origin of “As Fit as a Butcher’s Dog”
The phrase “as fit as a butcher’s dog” originated from A Dictionary of Modern Slang, Cant and Vulgar Words written by John Camden Hotten. It was published in 1859. Hotten states that this simile is often applied to married men. In the past, however, it meant that there is a something very close to a person, but he has no access to it exactly like a butcher’s dog that cannot touch the beef though it can eat scraps if allowed.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Received form a friend, an interesting read about the whys behind everything that is going on from a bit different perspective.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Forgot the link:

https://maalamalama.com/wordpress/real-reasons-behind-global-pandemic-lockdown-/28/04/skwealthacademy

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

….My belief is that the real reasons behind the global pandemic lockdown was a global coordinate effort to instill mass learned helplessness among the vast majority of populations worldwide.

….. later studies revealed that a subject’s hopelessness did not result from his or her feeling of powerlessness but resulted from the combination of an exposure to aversive stimuli AND the lack of control over one’s situation. Consequently, it should be easy to understand how our prolonged exposure to aversive stimuli (a viral pandemic that is exaggerated for its severity among healthy populations) combined with a lack of control over this situation (implemented lockdown measures for everyone that amounted to prolonged house arrest for billions around the world) will instill conditions of mass learned helplessness around the world….

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cloud6
cloud6
4 years ago

Catching Covid in Hospital? It’s long been the fact that the quickest way to get an infection is a stay in hospital, they are breeding grounds for loads of bugs (C.dif, MRSA, VRE, CRE, CRKP etc…). If you do need hospital treatment the secret is to get out of there as soon as your treatment is done.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

If you do need hospital treatment the secret is to get out of there as soon as your treatment is done.

Very wise

Preventable Medical Mistakes Account for One-Sixth of All Annual Deaths in the United States

  • Preventable medical mistakes are the third-leading cause of death in the US, right after heart disease and cancer. In all, preventable medical mistakes may account for one-sixth of all deaths that occur in the US annually
  • According to the latest estimates, between 210,000 and 440,000 Americans die from preventable hospital errors each year
  • The US has the most expensive health care in the world. It spends more on health care than the next 10 biggest spenders combined, yet ranks last in health and mortality when compared with 17 other developed nations
  • An estimated 30 percent of all medical procedures, tests and medications may be unnecessary – at a cost of at least $750 billion a year
  • Once you’re hospitalized, you’re immediately at risk for medical errors, so one of the best safeguards is to have someone there with you to act as your personal advocate

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/09/preventable-medical-errors.aspx

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago

Boris – For heaven’s sake man – GO!

(as Cameron once said to another pointless fool)

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Rich’s green reset for roads matches up pretty well with this lot:

https://trimis.ec.europa.eu/programme/horizon-2020-smart-green-and-integrated-transport

https://egnos-user-support.essp-sas.eu/new_egnos_ops/sites/default/files/documents/EGNOS_GALILEO_Road.pdf

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/themes/its/road/action_plan/doc/2014_uk_its_report_2014_en.pdf

https://www.gsa.europa.eu/vehicular-remote-tolling

https://www.unece.org/trans/welcome.html

Starts with the UNECE, cascades down through the EU to national governments.

Been planned a long time.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago

Help please – on the 14th I had a conversation here with someone who pointed out that Dominic Cummings had not been defenestrated or thrown out of a window, and that choice of words is very important, and then we discussed climate change.

I’ve tried using control f but not found it. I want to recontact that person, he had his own website. Can someone help me out?

The point is that language is very important – or anyone else who is interested in this aspect?

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I think that was with Steve Hayes, if you mean the exchange here:

https://dailysceptic.org/2020/11/14/latest-news-193/#comment-245853

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Use CTRL-F again.

Go back to the 14th.

Beecuae not all of the comments are on the page at the same time it is unlikely that one search will find them.

So, start at the top and do the search. If you do not find, what you are loooking for, then go right to the bottom where the next page of comments will appear and so on.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Thanks, that’s it – it was Steve Hayes. I’ve gone into his Blog here https://www.blogger.com/profile/03248828744039419832
And here https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2017/09/climate-change-is-pseudoscience.html
but is there a way now to contact him through his blog?
There’s a need to talk to scientists about their methods – this has come via people connected to Fuellmich’s work – so that’s why this is important.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

The Oxford dictionary gave the second meaning of defenestrated as one who has political power taken from them.If it was used in connection with Cummings then it was correct.
I prefer plain terms readily understood by everyone.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Agree Jonathan – that’s what we want. People who can convert complex legal and medical arguments into plain terms readily understood by anyone. Please join our team.
I’m here https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

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Recusant
Recusant
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

The word defenestration comes from an incident in Prague where a Hussite crowd threw a judge out of a window (“fenestre” in French). There were multiple defenestrations in Prague.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

If you use this: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm it’s easier to find as it loads the whole page at once so you don’t need to scroll down interminably before you can use ctrl+f

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I did try that… either my fingers shake too much or smth, but thanks everyone.

What I’m really looking for is People who can convert complex legal and medical arguments into plain terms readily understood by anyone. Please join our team.
I’m here https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

as well as someone to set up a new website that is specifically to support Fuellmich and is user friendly to conspiracy theory-phobes.

While Micheal Bernicia’s work attracts people on one end of the ‘conspiracy theory’ spectrum, Fuellmich’s can appeal to conspiracy-phobes. That’s what we need, for people to be helped to understand that this stuff is wrong.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago

“continue to pummel covid into submission”

“follow the rules and beat it together”

Pretty clear just how far Johnson has fallen into becoming obsessive about “fighting” a disease rather than governing the country sensibly.

There is no hope of rationality on this topic without a change of leadership.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

He hasn’t though has he? He’s either in on the great reset and/or vaccine $£$ scam. Or other motives. Or he’s pulled this way and that by such people because he is so indecisive and weak and out of touch.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I don’t believe for a moment that Johnson is in on any great reset, and I doubt that he’s motivated by bribery.

In relation to the former, it just doesn’t seem to fit with any of his past attitudes, even allowing for his dishonest posturing, and it’s much more likely imo when he does stuff that enables the “reset” and pc bollocks that he’s just being led about by the nose (or other parts of his anatomy), by manipulative lefties like his woman.

As for the latter, while he does seem to be hurting for money since getting into office, he wasn’t before, and he seems to me more the kind of person who doesn’t worry much about money as long s there’s plenty coming in. Not an obsessive pile-builder like, for instance, Blair. Direct bribery would be too risky even for Johnson, and the ind of indirect long term bribery that probably motivated Blair to some extent is probably outside Johnson’s scope of awareness.

It’s possible he’s motivated as Blair probably was by future personal gain, but seems to me functional stupidity adequately explains his behaviour.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Believe what you want, your integrity is obviously far greater than his.
It’s not about money with the likes of Boris, he’s there to persuade the people that they lives need to change , it’s for the good of the planet . It’s his moment of destiny.
we all know that it’s garbage but he is just a gullible fool who’s been brainwashed by very sophisticated operators.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

I can believe he’s soft-witted enough to fall for the green nonsense, and also that he’s dishonest enough to pretend to if he thinks he can gain from doing so (whether it’s votes or sex).

I don’t believe he’s any kind of driving force for it though.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Didn’t Boris Johnson quote from one of Klaus Schwab’s books? In which case I’d say he’s in on the Great Reset

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Build back better;he explained what he thought it meant,a green new deal.He’s also met Gates recently and referenced him in a number of speeches.Whatever is going on,Johnson is up to his neck in it.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Build , back better…this is the slogan of the Great Reset and Agenda 2030 is all about getting rid of normal cars and have EVERBODY on electric ones…so yeah…He is neck deep into this shit!

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

He’s been on it a whileAs mayor of London he made it that all new London taxis had to be electric by 2018.He also put gridlock causing cycle lanes everywhere.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

And these traffic gridlocks pumps out much more pollution than the so-called ‘reduction’ by cyclists

Recycling has also declined steeply since lockdown.

Much easier to chuck stuff in the rubbish bin:

  • charity shops closed during lockdown and now closing shop.
  • no plastic recycling at supermarkets as people shop online or bins removed
  • Council dumps closed during lockdown (WHY?) and afterwards had to make an appointment (WHY? At no stage prior to lockdown more than 3 cars at the dump, so more than enough space to distance)
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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

They should all be obliged to take tours around the areas in the city of London and elsewhere where their green deal programs were implemented to assess the damage. They sit in offices all day long and dream about new, stupid ideas.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

They are nuts. Impractical. An impossible task.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Up to his neck in green slime.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Why else would he ponce around with Gates and the dodgy vaccine crowd?

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  James

He also mentioned the anti science of anti vaxxers in some recent speech. WEF?.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

The first case of infection of Sars-Cov2 was 3rd Sept 2019 was found in a saved blood sample in a person from Venice region. This was one of the blood samples collected all over Italy since Sept 2019 as a part of lung cancer investigation. The person was most likely asymptomatic but had evidence of acute infection in form of IgM antibodies to Sars-Cov2. Where did he/she get it from? The time of infection must have been in late August. Venice, contact with China since Marco Polo, now in the form of a Chinese tourist? Maybe? Maybe not?
Astonishingly, already the day after in Emilia Romagna, another infection in a saved blood sample. In September alone, 23 infections in eight Italian regions, indicating a wide spread. However, these detailed information is not found in the abstract published on line below as the whole article was behind the paywall(the detailed information above is from one page in the whole article I got hold of, see below added picture). As earlier Sars Cov-2 virus in Barcelona Feb 2019 and Oct 2019 in Sao Poulo detected in sewage waste has been debunked, this must be the first detection of wide spread Sars-Cov 2 in Italy Aug-Sept several thousand miles from China.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0300891620974755

Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the prepandemic period in Italy 
 
 
 
The reaction in the Establishment of this possible scenario has been furious. The article was published in an obscure journal owned by one of the authors. It has not been properly peer reviewed before published. One of the angriest comments was from Prof Balloux, who has published the below article stating that the animal to human jump was in Wuhan Oct-Nov 2019 according to his investigation and genomic studies,

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1567134820301829

In a twitter thread he said that the result was probably cross reactions to other normal corona viruses

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1328058413222400007

But the riposte came quick from an irreverent Dutch scientist calling Prof Balloux a stupid fool and he has obviously read the whole article according to this twitter thread. In fact, the Italian scientists have done lots of checking and there is no cross reactions with other corona viruses. His twitter thread is here mostly in English debunking Balloux’s objections.

https://twitter.com/hommel_b/status/1328067660471545856
 
Interesting to see what happens. Perhaps they are both correct. There was earlier in May a suggestion and hypothesis by two Israeli scientists ( I have lost the link but published in LD sceptics) that there were two competing strains of Sars Cov2,the first wide spread milder earlier and replaced by the later more serious Wuhan strain.
 
 

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The first case of infection of Sars-Cov2 was 3rd Sept 2019

One cannot declare that!

We only know that this new piece of RNA was detected on that sample! Do you have older samples to make the same “test”?

This piece of RNA can have a decade or more of existence but we “found it” only now…

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Anthony
Anthony
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

I think the paper is talking about the detection of Covid specific antibodies, not RNA.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Anthony

There are NO specific “covid” antibodies…

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Anthony

They are referring to RNA “SARS-CoV-2″…

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Anthony
Anthony
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

No they’re not:

‘The person was most likely asymptomatic but had evidence of acute infection in form of IgM antibodies to Sars-Cov2’.

Of course there are Covid specific antibodies. There is a possibility that the testing methods detected antibodies which react against Covid proteins (but weren’t produced in response to Covid) but there will always be these sorts of anomalies in any antibody test.

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Anthony
Anthony
4 years ago
Reply to  Anthony

By the way, when I say Covid I mean Sars-Cov2 – just couldn’t be bothered type the full name in.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Anthony

When they write “SARS-CoV-2” that’s a reference to RNA! What do you “think” label “SARS-CoV-2” refers to in this scam? A piece of cheese?!

If an organism generates antibodies it means it had contact with either RNA or DNA. In this case RNA.

Of course there are Covid specific antibodies.

Oh! That’s a first!

Can you tell us what are the scientific papers (from two different teams) where they demonstrated that RNA labelled “SARS-CoV-2” is an infectious viral particle, capable of causing a disease (pneumonia) and eventually kill the [weak] host?

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Anthony
Anthony
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

SARS-Cov-2 is the name given to the virus, it’s not a reference to RNA at all. The viruses genetic material is made up of ssRNA. When the virus infects someone the host can produce antibodies against the protein envelope of the virus (not the RNA within that envelope).

Any antibodies produced in response to this virus will be specific to the proteins of the envelope, in the same way that every antibody directed against every pathogen will be specific to that pathogen. There will however always be cross reactivity due to similarities across epitopes (the part of the protein to which the antibody is directed).

Look it up

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Anthony

Well… you do write a lot of fun stuff!

They’re specific BUT there are non-specific events… you just call it “cross reactivity”.

You keep assuming RNA (ssRNA) (mRNA) labelled “SARS-CoV-2” is a “new viral infectious particle”!

Happy dreams… Over and out! No more time to waste.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Anthony has explained that it was not PCR. There are people on this site who believe that Sars Cov+2 exists incl antibodies but that does not detract from the fact of overdiagnosis by defect PCR test and disproportinate response etc.This article is very interesting suggesting of spread well before it was detcted in western Europe.This would have very important consequences if this was true concerning the origin of the virus most likely from Yunnan area in China with possibly mild variants circulating.But this is not for covid-19 deniers.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Well… I never said is was about PCR.

So your entire comment it at the same level of the dogma “RNA labelled “SARS-CoV-2 is the cause of pneumonia (a special one!)”

And I read that paper before this fun swap of comments.

We only know that this new piece of RNA was detected on that sample!

If the sample had the antibodies they claim are “specific” for “SARS-CoV-2” then the piece of RNA we label today as “SARS-CoV-2” was present on that organism causing the production of those antibodies.

That’s what I wrote… Use few words the 1st time?! Well… Why waste many with this nonsense?

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago

So we have 5 possible reinfections out of a worldwide count of 55 million infections (Worldometer). They are almost certainly misdiagnoses and even if they aren’t that is essentially the same as saying it can’t happen, at least in any meaningful sense. Anyone who sets a policy that assumes that as a meaningful risk is an imbecile.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

I expect you can get it again – like the other 4 coronaviruses – it will just be mild – like a cold. when we’ve all been exposed, it will just be annoying cold #5

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Then either it doesn’t happen or if it does it isn’t noticeable. Either way it should have no bearing on policy. Unfortunately they don’t seem to be able to distinguish between being precautionary and paranoid, to all our cost.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Or it takes a year before you are susceptible again. I just can’t see an immune system bothering to create a lifelong immunity to something very mild. waste of resources

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

T Cells remember similar invaders and so lifelong immunity is possible I’d say

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  James

I don’t see why I keep getting colds then

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Do you get the same variety each time though? There are many corona , rhino and adeno viruses.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Increase the Vitamin A/C/D!

But colds (with just very minor symptoms) in Winter is pretty normal… That’s all I have since 2007!

During Winter I take 2 grams (some times 3 during a day or two, when I feel the signs of immune system activation) Vit C every day (1 gram the rest of the seasons) with a multi-vitamins and mineral every two days…

No colds/flu/pneumonia… since 2007.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Do you don the nappy?

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Apparently there are over 200 different cold viruses.

I’ve definitely had fewer colds as I’ve got older. The same goes my wife who used to be a primary school teacher in her 20s and was routinely bunged up at this time of year. Very romantic it was.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

The scam is FUN…

For every single PCR chemical reaction with amplification we can have another one without amplification!

comment image

So when you say “55 million infections” I can guarantee that we have ZERO infections.

Isn’t this a GOOD SCAM/TOOL?

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Talking things Covid is like arguing about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. We need to concentrate on ways to end lockdown and repeal the coronavirus act.

Michael O’Bernicia is using Common Law to end all the governmental corruption.
See https://lawfulrebel.com/ interview 119.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Great website

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Thank you for the response. I came across lawfulrebel quite recently by way of UKColumn. We need everyone to support Michael O’Bernicia who is using Common Law to remove the Coronavirus Act and to have Hancock and others to face charges of genocide.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Or a member of the British government. Synonymous terms.

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chris
chris
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/DystopianEarth/status/1328268189936054273/photo/1

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

Amazing tweet

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

There are some good interviews on this site
https://lawfulrebel.com/
Check out 119
and
121 (14:30 mins in talking vaccines)

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago

Looking around at the paucity of political talent, the sub mediocre apparatchiks and corrupt political influence peddlers it’s hardly surprising the country is in such a state of decline.

That acres of news print can be devoted to the shenanigans around a small group of intellectually vacant agenda mongers vying for the ear of the present moronic encumbent in no 10 to sway public policy , and yet none see the same game being played by a clique of globalist/pharma/globocap to sway global society is a demonstration of the total failure of the media and our wider political class to see beyond their very limited horizons. To see such would be to support “unsubstantiated conspiracy theories”, while we wait and listen attentively to the micro analysis of the political soap opera being used to distract the stupefied masses.

That the country has been unable to produce a governing body of stature is fundamentally shocking and a shaming testament to the corrupt and perverse manipulation of merit driven success overridden by the global power agendas over successive decades to produce delinquent and subservient national governments.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

All countries around the word, save Belarus, are under occupation by the WEF et al

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Carrie, Stanley, Starmer and Rishi and others all work for or worked for or have links to WEF Davos members e.g. Rockerfeller, Goldman…

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Correct. Look I don’t want to sound crazy but it looks more and more like Carrie is basically an plant to control him.

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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

If se was a plant to control him I don’t think she’d take it as far as having a baby by him.

DavidC

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

The media wants you to think that. I’ve no doubt all spouses influence politicians.

The establishment wants a tougher, more authoritian government, so they’re discrediting Johnson to justify a general election. I fear one will be called and Starmer will become the new Mussolini

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  James

From Human Rights lawyer to Mussolini 2.0. What a world!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

She was desperate to get the SPAD role to Boris when he was Foreign Secretary. Apparently she lost out to Lee Cain. It does sound like she was targeting him.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Like Me-again Markle..

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Exactly, you just need to start joining the dots to see the picture

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Yes, and a lot of people wonder why Rees Mogg has been so quiet. His dad has relations with the Rothchilds. He started off his career in a Rothchild investment fund.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Mark Malloch Brown of Smartmatic also has these links..

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

The medical/health experts at Goldman Sachs.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago

He’s also a lying, lazy and incompetent cad. This looks staged to me. Either, to give him the cover to hide from making any decisions in the next couple of weeks and ride out the tsunami of bad press that is imminent on the Cummings/Cain vs Ms Carrie/Ms Allegra spat. Or, to promote the ‘we need to socially distance and wear masks even if we have had the vaccine or have had the disease already’. Neither will work. He is on his way out.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Boris Johnson is simply taking orders

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  James

He CHOOSES to take those orders – never forget that.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

I feel rather downhearted this morning. My only sense of fun is that I hope De piffel is Isolating in a freezer. He has form for than.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-11/13/c_139512147.htm

Towns in Belarus now mandating mask-wearing in public places.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

omg

This is all coming here.

What we need to do is have an organised way to make people aware of Reiner Fuellmich and his work. The factual lawyerly approach is what’s needed. Please get more urgent, day by day.

I’ve a small group of people who agree – and it links up to the concept of talking to people one at a time, carefully avoiding conspiracy theory triggers. Small local groups. Now we need a website that is not off-putting to sheepie.

Who agrees? If you like this concept then please contact me, as usual I’m to be found here as usual
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I agree with that kind of sober approach.

We have got to keep persuading. I think we underestimate the number of scepics.

Ultimately though, it will be events that change people’s minds not arguments.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Right – the events are more likely to go our way if there is a groundswell of support for the legal actions being taken. Otherwise they could fall as flat as the BMJ editorial, or even turn into major violence.

There is no time to waste and we can’t sit around waiting for other people to do things for us. Everything is going the wrong way still.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Yep, you’re one of the heroes! Inspirational 🙂

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I bet what you really wanted to do was bar him for stupidity? But alas having owned a business all custom is precious and teeth gritting is required.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

That has to be true. A lot of shopkeepers will talk fluent zombie or fluent sceptic, as required in order to keep the customer.
My greengrocer lost my custom when he tried talking zombie to me. I expect his zombie customers are by far the more numerous, and even a courgette merchant gotta live.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Oh no! Corrupt politicians 🙁

Very disappointing

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Without exception

Wow!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago

Why the hell is the moron self-isolating if he said he already had it?

JUST PLAYING THE PART!

Probably this is just their move to say that even with a “Vaccine” modern slaves will never have the life they had before… Like some other scoundrels (Fauci & Friends) are already saying.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Either trying to set an example (that we don’t need) or take a break after sacking his ‘trusted’ aid (the one that actually did the PM job) OR both

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

BBC fact checkers confirm that the earth is flat.

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andrew webb
andrew webb
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Anyone noticed that the “fact checkers” appeared everywhere when the truth started coming out?

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

You mean the BBC “Inconvenient Fact Deniers”.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Labour demands instant imprisonment for flat earth deniers.

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andrew webb
andrew webb
4 years ago

Has Boris got a serious drinking problem?

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

Wouldn’t be surprised.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

yes. look at his girlfriend

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

I very much doubt it.

His drinks cabinet is probably his one well-stocked cabinet.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

Has been rumoured – from around the time of the Carrie/Boris argument in their flat prior to election.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

Johnson is simply following orders. Starmer wants more devastation

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

No he’s got a serious thinking problem.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/13/my-little-crony-map-shows-deals-between-government-mps-and-tory-donors-13587900/?fbclid=IwAR00UjEjvbucvJSyHAYhusBXLtsUeoFScdNb2Lmvu1Z1qHR3cBRbjvPK3CE&_rdc=11

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Cronyvirus

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Phonyvirus.

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Interesting but not sure you can credit labour with being truly concerned about cronyism- more that it’s the “other sides” cronyism and they’re wishing it to be labour cronies?

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

This needs wider coverage – I’m sure that this will be a story that will run and run.

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peter
peter
4 years ago

Analysis of the covid Vax ingredients, no wonder the Gestapo want to censor all discussion of its contents https.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHn8c65A1JE/?igshid=1moj9l9963r3a

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  peter

Great link.

~ Always do independent research (side effects, ingredients etc) when considering to take a vaccine or prescribed drug, then make an informed decision whether to take it or not ~

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

https://mattbell.org/only-informed-consent-should-be-given-to-experimental-vaccine

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  peter

Scary… do we know what is in the Pfizer one?

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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago

Interesting how Boris is bursting with antibodies when they are only supposed to remain for about three months and he supposedly had Covid19 in April…about 7 months ago…

DavidC

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

That Portuguese Court of Appeals ruling throws up some very real issues which could be applied to us here in the UK. And the scope of the decision could be tended to other spheres – such as unlawful removal of livelihood and unlawful refusal of non-Covid medical treatment.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Please join my team. We’ve 6 so far, here and in France and Germany trying to focus our strategy around this angle and connecting up to the grassroots
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

Regarding the Portuguese judgement requiring a doctor to diagnose SarsCov2 in addition to a positive PCR test, the attached document, released by our government on October 28th, said a similar thing. When the number of cycles required to confirm a positive PCR test is high, clinical history is also needed.

This should be front page news.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

I think about the Luddites who attacked the new technology that planned to destroy their livelihoods.

The PCR test is destroying humanity. They should be scrapped

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
4 years ago
Reply to  James

If those who have used the PCR test as one of their tools to terrorise the population are not held to account then they will just find another wrecking ball.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Who Pressed the Great Reset Button?


  • The globalist technocracy is using the COVID-19 pandemic to bypass democratic accountability, override opposition, accelerate their agenda and to impose it on the public against our will
  • The Great Reset refers to a global agenda to monitor and control the world through digital surveillance. You’ll be tied to it through an electronic ID linked to your bank account and health records, and a social credit ID that will end up dictating every facet of your life
  • The Great Reset is about getting rid of capitalism and free enterprise, and replacing them with technocracy, publicly referred to as “sustainable development” and “stakeholder capitalism”
  • There’s not a single area of life that is left out of this Great Reset plan. The planned reform will affect everything from government, energy and finance to food, medicine, real estate, policing and even how we interact with our fellow human beings in general
  • Privacy protections are a major hurdle in this plan, which is why every effort is made to get people to loosen their views on the right for privacy. In the U.S., we also have the Constitution that stands in the way, which is why efforts to undermine, circumvent, ignore or nullify it are increasing

Ultimately, the Great Reset will result in two tiers or people: The technocratic elite, who have all the power and rule over all assets, and the rest of humanity, who have no power, no assets and no say-so in anything.

  • Build Back Better
  • Social Engineering Is Central to Technocratic Rule

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/16/what-is-the-great-reset.aspx

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

It’s actual fascism

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

utter retards

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54916159

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I need to eat breakfast again now.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Thing is, he’ll need to wear a mask aswell to stop him licking the visor

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Thank you,you made me laugh today.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

That’s an “old story” from I think June, cause I’ve a gif of that stupidity with July timestamp!

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andrew webb
andrew webb
4 years ago

What virus?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

The Mythical One!

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

Genius really. Turn the world upside down for a cold.
Meanwhile.. no great reset for China.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Since China is the TEST ground for the tools to be deployed in Western “democracies” they are well ahead. So their reset started around 15 years ago…

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

I think their reset started with the communist revolution. First the get decades of abject poverty and starvation of millions while a small elite rules over them with an iron fist. Eventually they get ‘permitted’ to do something other then starve to death under the total control of that small elite.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

I was just talking about the MODERN TOOLS that the deployment of the WWW and “SMART”phones Social Media 24/7 connection addiction allowed to be implemented…

Without these tools they couldn’t had pull this SCAM at this scale!

Just look at the previous attempt in 2007/8… A failed fake pandemic.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

China already has its dystopian Social Credit System. Destined for us via Covid-Pass and Clear

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  James

They tested the systems with the help (tech and money) of the Western Corporations and now the SYSTEM are “DEPLOY READ”!

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

China is the model, hence the lack of recent bollocks.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Exactly. How many coal-fired power stations are they building again? While the rest of the world has net zero imposed on them..

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

A Global, Synchronized, 24 hour Cellphone Blackout.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago

How Many People Are Catching Covid in Hospital?

around the same that catch PNEUMONIA EVERY YEAR in hospital!

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Found this article in Pie Pony’s response to Harry Cole’s twitter message ‘the rules are the rules’ (find in Toby’s article above).

There is no Covid vaccine………

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1327805882063720448.html

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I don’t think that’s true, I really don’t. There are vaccines and people ready to administer them.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I don’t think the thread is actually saying there is not a vaccine. He or she is saying that the vaccine is not as claimed by Pfizer et al.

Whoever has written the thread seems pretty knowledgeable and they do raise some reasonable points. They are probably being a little over-pessimistic though.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Oh there are vaccines. Just not for COVID19.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

Exactly….

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago

Off leafletting now in Wimbledon. Wish me luck!

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Good luck!

A close friend has become suicidal because of lockdown. We are witnessing crimes against humanity.

The PCR tests, the forced isolation of those testing positive, the destruction of the economy and people’s livelihoods and ambitions, the trashing of civil liberties, the cancellation of medical treatment, the forced wearing of masks (especially on children) are crimes against humanity.

Life is not worth living anymore.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Don’t give up. There are people fighting this all over the world. I was listening to a couple of things on Youtube yesterday. I may have found the links here originally, but they’re worth repeating:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYzb5_kax8
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE&feature=youtu.be

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Jenny
Jenny
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

You’ll get a warm welcome from this SW19 resident.

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l835
l835
4 years ago

Poor old Boris! Should have followed the rules and socially distanced, but didn’t, again… He can’t take a pcr test, as he knows it will detect virus fragments from the spring. A positive result when he’s clearly not infected (or the sixth person in the world to catch it twice) would undermine gov statistics and the legitimacy of everything he’s done! If they fudge the result and it’s negative, he’s just proved herd immunity through antibodies! And no Dom to rescue him! Wonderful!

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  l835

excellent logic, go to the top of the class ! Love it

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  l835

Brilliant!

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago

Oh my god I can’t stop laughing at that WhatsApp message. Are we seriously meant to believe he sent that of his own volition? “THE RULES ARE THE RULES”, “IT DOESN’T MATTER THAT I FEEL FINE”, “NHS TEST AND TRACE IS IMPROVING”, “STOP THE SPREAD”. Could it hit any more buzzwords?

When I heard about this story yesterday I said oh that’s convenient, perhaps he’ll be in a coma and near death again, before making another miraculous recovery, then they can spin out a bunch of stories about how people are getting “reinfected” to keep this going until it’s time for the vaccine. Now it becomes even more ridiculous after reading that WhatsApp message.

How stupid do they think we are?

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

These ‘leaks’ are State broadcasts for propaganda. They do think we’re stupid

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  James

They’re mainly preaching to the ones who ARE stupid – usually identified as those muzzled up to the eyeballs out in the open air.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Did Carrie write it?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Very stupid.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago

All of this tracks back to political agendas , this fundamental issue cannot be avoided.
1,The primary causation event is when the WHO determines a “pandemic situation” arises.
2,Then each country , as signature to the IHR, is legally bound to implement it’s IPPP.
3,Paid for apparatchiks like Ferguson then create “modelling” to the “known” info.
4,This then determines what “level” of national response is applied.

In initiating event was the “outbreak” in China. 
The Chinese medic institutes tried to “isolate” the pathogen/“virus” in early patients. The little round thing with lumps on the side couldn’t be found in several of the early cases but they determined that didn’t matter and announced it as the “virus” 
This is what is being used as the base point for the whole scam. 
Nobody knows if the round thing with lumps on has been in existence for ever , they have never looked for it before.
The “symptoms” are essentially undefined and cover almost anything – so far as case numbers are concerned.

5,The “pandemic” won’t be over until the WHO say so . Therefore the national govts have to keep 
  the circus running until they are told to stop.

Please visit the UN WHO international health regulations 
                Also GPMB report from Sept 19 page 38/39 :-“ a full system live exercise will be conducted before Sept 20”

Please look who gets paid by who , whole careers have been waiting for this moment and they are going to milk it for all it’s worth.
eg who’s in charge at the GPMB ? …. Fauci
All the SAGE “advisers” are heavily embedded with …. WHO , UN sustainability programs.
All influential bodies are funded by …..WHO , Gates Foundation 
Check out the back story to these people. They are dangerous ideologs and their stupidity blinds them to reason.

The likes of Hancock/Boris , they are low grade middle management material who’ve been promoted way beyond their capabilities, why ? , to do the job they’ve been put there to do . They are arrogant enough to think they are chosen on merit. These people are servants of the agenda setters , and are dangerous to the rest of us .

Please read Boris’s speech to UN 74th council Sept 19 
Also Hancock speech 2017 re 4th industrial revolution and praise for Schwab . 
These people are gullible brainwashed idiots.

Ditto Labour , they think this is the “revolution” they’ve been waiting for.

The problem we have is that the political/state technocrat class think this “change , new normal” is inevitable and desirable. The fight between them is for who is going to be in charge at a nation level and thereby able to dictate national policy.
Not one of them , right down to local council level has any interest in slowing, much less changing direction or exposing the whole charade for the total nonsense that it is.

The only ones who may help are the Conserv backbenchers , and most of them will be compromised as well. 

Have a great day.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

Bill grates on me too.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago

The maskista venn diagram:

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Brilliant

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Yes.

For the record, not my creation. Just pulled it off a social media exchange.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

The mention of ”Der Spiegel” reminded me of something I found on Youtube a few weeks ago. ”The Covid Blueprint from a decade ago”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45F44ZuwL50&t=3s

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago

As has been obvious since early in the year, this isn’t a conspiracy it’s an agenda .
Hancock is mediocrity personified, it almost makes it worse being mugged by such an obvious puppet.

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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

I looked at Hancock’s Wikipedia entry last night. He’s obviously not stupid and has done well academically but I do wonder whether he’s one of Nassim Taleb’s IYIs – Intellectual Yet Idiot.

DavidC

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago

I watched a docu drama on the Battle of the Somme last night. Gave a kind of comparison to whats happening at the moment. 25,000 young fit men died in the first hours of this attack, the brainfart of General Henry Rawlinson. In the end it killed more than a million. Compared with the current ‘pandemic’ where the average age of death is old than the national average age of death. That’s a perspective that people in government and health should be thinking about. The quote at the end was most apt for our current situation. “We are ghosts, in this game played by monkeys and organised by lunatics.” All of our so called leaders would have made perfect world war one generals, sitting in the back away from battle drinking and smoking and enjoying life as their charges on both sides were slaughtering each other. Rawlinson believed that there was no opposition left after 7 days of barrages. How wrong he was.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

They died so we can hide .

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

Yes. My maternal great grandfather was one of those who died in the name of Tyneside Irish. His wife was left with three young children and turned to drink.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

If you go to Betwys-y-coed, there is a memorial there, almost all the young and middle aged men who volunteered from the village died in a battle. That is real suffering. Whats happening now, globally, is as nothing compared to the suffering experienced in the two world wars, yet we been jailed by 3rd rate schoolboys. Im way beyond being angry now.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Mine too, they lived in Greenside, gt grandfather had 4 children died on the Somme

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

War Is A Racket

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

the banksters in the USA paid for both sides in WWI.

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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

And WW2

DavidC

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

I understand your sentiments. But you’re wrong about the Generals. Read up how many actually died on the front line. I know it’s a cliche, and some might have been like this – but really it’s most unfair to many high ranking officers who suffered and fell along with their men.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago

WankSock also said in that JHB interview that “once we roll out the Virus” rather than “Once we roll out the vaccine”. Oops.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Another ‘Slip of the tongue’ here from a doc:

https://twitter.com/Salajayne/status/1327882014737960961?s=19

Deliver the virus

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

OOps

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Oops – covid 21 anyone? As in the Canadian leaked document from about a month ago? (all of which has come true so far…)

Did JHB pick him up on it?

Last edited 4 years ago by Carrie
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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago

Fuck you Stamer, and fuck you Boris.

And yes, I do feel better now.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/16/boris-johnson-self-isolating-brexit-trade-deal-latest-news/ a very apt song came to mind after looking at that crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX4UvFE5f-c

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

According to broadcaster Sue Cooke’s Twitter, Handjob has just dismissed Carl Heneghan as an “outlier” on JHB’s radio programme.

Why is that I wonder?

Is it because Heneghan was responsible for getting 5377 deaths removed from the total back in August because everything was put down to Covid until that point.

Or maybe it was because he questioned the data behind Twitty and Unbalanced’s ‘not a prediction’ graph?

Perhaps it was Carl’s revelations about care homes or catching the disease in hospitals.

Whatever Carl Heneghan is, he is no longer an outlier.

Handjob, on the other hand is an out and out liar.

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

He is an outlier in the sense that he stands outside the group think of SAGE and Whitty and uses evidence rather than models. As an attempt to discredit it’s not even clever.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Yes he actually said to JHB that he didnt believe him and was asked if he was calling him a liar

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

A couple of months ago handjob was saying that Professor Heneghan was part of the wide group of experts that he consulted with with and had done so the day previously.
This was in response to a beeb journo querying whether he listened to sceptics ‘like Heneghan’.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

My opinion is, he’s in denial of a holocaust which he’s helped to create and becoming, along with the rest of the guilty, increasingly desperate.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Hopefully that notice will get wet and unreadable

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

or it might get dirty! You wouldn’t want it to be unreadable due to mud, dust, etc. Best give it a quick wash with a hose. The precautionary principle.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

The PM has never worked, that was done by Cummings. Not sure what he will be doing

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago

Like Biden accidentally referring to his ‘voter fraud organisation’!

Last edited 4 years ago by Carrie
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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago

That is interesting. Near to us there is an open area, not a park, just a public open grassy space, no chairs, just an open area, fenced off with a low fence (easy to step over, it was put in place to stop ‘travellers’ a few years ago).
About a week ago notices appeared on the trees to the effect that if someone wished to use the space for an ‘event’ it was necessary to apply to the council. It was not easy to tear these notices down (laminated notices, zygology ties, that sort of thing), but I did not like the idea and thought I would complain to the council or whomever.
Anyway, yesterday, passing the same spot, I noticed that the notices had vanished. I wonder if some legal eagle had made a formal complaint, or perhaps someone simply tore them down.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

A lot of councils are overstepping the mark and if people are not vigilant, getting away with it.

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago

The author of this article explains the issues around the vaccine very well –

The Pfizer Vaccine’s Meaningless 90% Effectiveness, And The Circus Surrounding It http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/11/the-pfizer-vaccines-meaningless-90-effectiveness-and-the-circus-surrounding-it/

This is an interesting point – ‘Contracting Covid-19 depends on the presence of ACE2 in the lung, with SARS-COV evidently delivered to it through the respiratory tracts.’
‘If a host is ripe for the plucking through his ACE2 situation (although how this is the case remains in dispute), then he’ll get a lung condition. If he isn’t, and the vast majority of people are not, then he won’t.’

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

If the vaccine is going to be so safe, why has the MHRA awarded a $1.6 million contract with Genpact to develop AI tech to monitor all the undiscovered side effects, which they expect will occur? Just asking for a friend….

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Has your friend got a link to any details?

1.6 million dollars doesn’t really sound like enough money to develop something like this, unless it’s something along the lines of…

10 PRINT "NO BAD THINGS TO DO WITH THE VACCINE DETECTED"
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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

20 GOTO 10

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

It’ll cost an extra $1.6 million to develop that line…

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

In the company I worked for any programmer who coded a GOTO was dragged down the pub on Friday evening after work and required to stand a round for the whole development team. Admittedly not $1.6million dollars but expensive enough.
Problem solved!

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blunt instrument
blunt instrument
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

and it will come in late, and not work properly, and they’ll have to tender for a replacement

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

It’s this tender:

https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0

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mjr
mjr
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

it will be some vb coding linked to an access database with web access that could be done by a small team over a few weeks but somehow will cost $1.6million
what was interesting in the reasons was that the existing MHRA process for recording vaccine side effects could not be retro fitted to cope with the additional volumes. i wonder how many they expect

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago

The other day someone mentioned that the annual all causes death count is up 50,000 above the norm because of the ”died within 28 days of a PCR test” from the wave in spring.

Another way of looking at it is that most of the excess deaths in spring (with positive PCR tests) were people nearing end of life and would likely have passed later in 2020 anyway – which would have brought the annual all deaths count into line with the norm.

But this has not happened as tens of 1000s of people have died prematurely (by many years) as a result of the lockdown – not covid.

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blunt instrument
blunt instrument
4 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Check out Ivor Cummins’ channel on Youtube. He has the best breakdown of stats that I’ve found.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

If anyone sees a reference in the mainstream media to the Liverpool Lateral Flow tests showing 0.4% positive tests v PCR tests, ONS & React monitoring claiming 2.2% across the North West can they flag it up.
This really looks like a very sharp needle that, if directed with precision & force would burst the balloon of puffed up hot air.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

My mum’s funeral is in a couple of weeks and I really don’t want to go. Not because I don’t care but because I’ll get to see my family in their muzzled sheeple glory. How fucking lovely.
Last night’s argument was related to that and about my reclusiveness and muzzle refusalism, just awful as properly arguing back is just futile.
I honestly don’t think I can last much longer, life really isn’t worth living anymore.

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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

You’re exempt. One of the exemption clauses is if wearing a mask causes distress, which it most certainly would if you were to wear one at your Mother’s funeral.

DavidC

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  DavidC

It’s looking at them for some of us though, and I think DRW feels this way

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Yes, I know about exemptions but everyone else will be complying.

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blunt instrument
blunt instrument
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Just back from an afternoon’s shopping. Utterly depressing. Convinced even more that the BBC is the chief enemy.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I had to go to a funeral of a close family member a couple of months ago.

At the entrance to the church (Catholic), no holy water just hand sanitizer.

Pissed me off no end.

But she was your mother you obviously have to grit your teeth and go.

For what it’s worth DRW, I belong to the optimists on here. I think a financial reset is coming – very likely 2021, and that that is the probable reason for all this.

I am convinced that by early next summer, people won’t stand for it any more. So, I am expecting some kind of culmination, very possibly in the next few months.

You are a young man I seem to remember.

In 50 years you will be telling your grandchildren about how crazy 2020 was. and about how difficult it was to come through it, and they won’t believe you.

Condolences and Best Wishes

Calchas.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Could they have blessed the sanitizer instead?

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

I like to joke that sanitiser is Covidian Holy Water.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

What do they put in the wine bottles?

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I am young yes but I struggle with positivity at the best of times, let alone now when you consider what we’re up against. Thank you for your response.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

The Heptones – Stand Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofBwAbnV9tI

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

“life really isn’t worth living anymore.”

It is worth a great deal to us here, beyond of the ranks of the insane. We are few enough as it is.

I agree though, it is hard to watch loved ones succumb to the nonsense. Understand though, nothing about them has changed – only certain truths about what lies in their hearts have been revealed. They have always been this way, and you still loved them, so nothing has changed.

They are as they are, they act only as they can, and so it is with you. Rejoice in what has been revealed about you, what is truly in your heart, and stand strong, embrace it. You have a strength that it is not a little outside of their understanding, but in another galaxy entirely. Your mind is not ruled by fear, but spirit, and that is rare indeed.

And what is it you truly wish for? Freedom of choice, an end to lies and manipulations. And you want this, not only for yourself, but for them too. So does this not make you the guardian of their best interests where they have failed to understand them?

If you let this thought lead you when they fling shit at you, then you will see them as just misled. As long as there is no threat of violence, what does it matter what they say? The easiest victory is to not react, and to say nothing at all until their powerful emotions pass, concentrating all the while on your own calm and standing on your pricinples. And yes, it takes daily practice, but your strength of mind can only grow in doing so.

And who can blame your loved ones, really? This has been a psychological operation of gargantuan proportions. Another testament to your strength of mind and your convictions, no?

Do not argue with them – come here to let off steam instead. In the meantime, commit to not explaining but demonstrating your refusal to submit. We here are all grateful for your example.

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Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

Great post and a good way to try to look at my own brainwashed people.

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

Wonderful contribution and a great help to me too.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

Thanks, this is applicable to all of us.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

Thanks for this. There are times I feel the same way as DRW so this advice is very, very welcome.

Last edited 4 years ago by Bart Simpson
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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

DRW – Only you can decide. But I think you may, on balance, feel better by going and dealing with the mask issue as a separate issue.

Whatever your decision, I wish you well, and people here do understand the conflict.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

You must go DRW – for your Mum and yourself – I believe you will regret it later if you don’t.
I lost my Dad at 25 – I have some idea of how you are feeling at the moment.
And you must stay here – for your Mum, if not for yourself right now. She would not want you joining her, would she.
Please don’t give up on us. We need you.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

My mother’s was recent and max of 20 in the crem chapel. I wasn’t muzzled but the rest were -when making a speech , it felt like being an actor in a horror movie. No wake afterwards either. One of those things that you have to go to. There was an article written by an exlifer in the Newcastle Evening Chronicle saying that this will end and you have to take one day at a time.

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willhhand
willhhand
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

You have to go. You will regret for the rest of your life if you can go and don’t. Just ignore the muzzles, think of your lovely mum and send thoughts of peace to her. Leave quickly if you have to. The wake is not important, but the funeral is.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  willhhand

Absolutely right.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

DRW i’m sure your mother (whether she believed in COVID or not) would admire your strength of conviction. Go to the funeral without your mask and your head held high. Have faith, things have to get better from here!

A man should not be without morals; it is better to have bad morals than none at all.
– Mark Twain

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I can imagine how you feel. So sad for you. Inside would be just about bearable – I think, like you, it would be a pretty awful feeling talking to muzzled-up people outside. Make a point by taking big dramatic lungfuls of good fresh air as you’re speaking to them – saying that you’ve been told it’s good for the immune system (for fighting the dreaded virus….. I know, ‘what virus?’). You might even plant a little seed…….
Please hang in there. We need more muzzle-sceptics. All the best. Stay with us!

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Thank you KH.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

The Last Poets – Hold Fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sKHlNp5ZZE

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Go if only for your mum and for that sense of closure for the life that she’s lived. Don’t muzzle up, you’re exempt, that’s all there is to it.

Stay strong.

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blunt instrument
blunt instrument
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I feel for you. Probably everyone here does. Try to be patient with your relatives. Explain what convinced you. Concentrate on the ones that voted Leave. They’re the ones most likely to be open to anything other than the BBC’s narrative. Marshal your facts. You’ll strengthen your own resolve in the process.

Last edited 4 years ago by blunt instrument
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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago

Build Back Better (n) – Using debt to bulldoze one’s adequate house to rebuild based on undefined fantasies in the indefinite future.

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PhilipF
PhilipF
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Lockdown (n) – burning down a house in response to finding a small spot of dry rot in the basement (or a wasps nest in the attic).

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

More likely ‘cellar rot’ coniophora puteana (wet rot) in basement but the point holds.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Waltham Forest.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago

THE JAB “Will save YOU”! Or not… It really doesn’t matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB0MEjHgkfM

What matters this time around is that you will not be allowed to sue the corporations for any healthy problems!

Have fun…

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MutzNutz
MutzNutz
4 years ago

Apparently Prof. Carl Heneghan has not signed The Great Barrington Declaration.
Why not I wonder ?

Last edited 4 years ago by MutzNutz
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microdave
microdave
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

Apparently Prof. Carl Heneghan has not signed

Probably because he is an “Outlier” – according to that arrogant ******* Twatcock:

https://twitter.com/AlistairHaimes/status/1328282075494047745

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

Maybe he sees his job as presenting evidence rather than drawing conclusions from it or proposing an alternative. Prefer him to keep his job and keep having a platform to rubbish what the government is doing than start getting “political”.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Having observed him now for some time, I think you’re right. Although he has been more outspoken recently on some media outlets, he has been quite careful in terms of the CEBM pronouncements – that they adhere to basic scientific protocols.

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

Is that so? Maybe to avoid politicization of it?

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Politically the resistance needs to send the tanks direct to our moronic PM and his merry band of comrades. Build back better ! ahh yes, let`s go for the driver next.
Labour are next to useless, so, in view of being nohing else, bring on the Reform UK Party and all the best to it !

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I suspect many UK politicians (and many around the world) are being bribed, blackmailed or coerced by the same entitity that is orchestrating lockdowns around the world. Whether it’s the WEF, the banks, the UN who’s pushing it.. I have no idea. But every country is reading from the same script

Masks are being mandated in Belarus. So even Lukashenko who said ‘No’ to lockdowns seems to have succumbed to pressure

Unfortunately, I don’t think Parliamentary politics will save us, especially when the likes of Valance and Whitty have shares in Pharma companies who stand to profit from ‘Covid’

I can’t think what the answer is

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blunt instrument
blunt instrument
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

BBC is the real enemy.

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microdave
microdave
4 years ago

Channel 4’s Dispatches has an undercover report from one of Britain’s biggest COVID-19 testing labs this evening, where evidence of serious failings have been uncovered

There must have been failings at one test centre as well:

A drive-through coronavirus testing site on the edge of Norwich has had to close – because of an outbreak of Covid-19 among the staff who work there
If having antibodies doesn’t save BoJo from isolating, what is the point in the rest of us wearing face nappies? They clearly don’t work.

But I think we all know that anyway….

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Chatting to an unmasked guy in a shop last week, I asked him if his work was ok with it. He pulled out in lanyard and replied
‘They’re fine with it, I’m Security at the Covid testing station”.

Last edited 4 years ago by karenovirus
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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  microdave

All except the ones who muzzle up to the eyeballs in the open air. I wonder if they ever consider why people with respiratory problems use oxygen. The main ”offenders” seem to be young adults and people in wheelchairs – the very ones who should be taking great lungfuls of fresh air for the sake of their immune systems.

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blunt instrument
blunt instrument
4 years ago

Surely a false positive rate of 0.4% means that a test is 99.6% accurate. Or can someone explain my mistake?

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  blunt instrument

You need to consider the false negative and prevalence of what is being tested for in the equation. Taking FNR out of the equation, if you prevalence was 0.4% too, then roughly half of any positive results would be false.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  blunt instrument

0.4% false positive means that if, say, 100 000 people aretested, then 400 people will produce a positive result, even if what is being tested for is not present in the population.

So, if 100 000 are tested and 1000 are positive, then only 600 of those will be real positives.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

That still doesn’t sound too bad until you learn that the likely real infection rate (not random bits of dead virus) is much less than 0.6%.

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peter charles
peter charles
4 years ago
Reply to  blunt instrument

I think the formula is: True positive rate = positive rate – false positive rate. I always get confused by explanations of maths using numbers.

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blunt instrument
blunt instrument
4 years ago
Reply to  blunt instrument

Should it just say 0.4, without the percentage? That would be a ratio of 2/5, or 40% false.

Last edited 4 years ago by blunt instrument
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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

The proposed move to all electric cars will cost the Govt £40bn a year in lost tax on fuel

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1328283209898057728

Electric Cars.png
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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

To be recovered by putting up the price of electricty no doubt.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Possibly that, possibly tolls on all roads, probably both.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Don’t even need tolls for that, just black-boxes to record the bills.

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microdave
microdave
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Possibly tolls on all roads

Already being looked at by “Dishy Rishi”:

https://www.thegwpf.com/uk-plans-to-charge-motorists-for-every-mile-they-drive-to-fill-40billion-tax-hole-left-by-the-switch-to-electric-cars/

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Watch Dr. Vernon Coleman’s take on Electric Cars. 13 minutes of nonstop debunking.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

No, by charging £1.50 per mile driven.

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

They want the energy requirements of every vehicle in the country to be delivered by the national grid, which can barely cope with current demand.

Only a politician can dream up an idea that a primary school pupil could destroy in seconds.

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mike
mike
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

I’m pretty sure that they are fully aware that the system cant cope with increased demand. They are most likely counting on 1 of 2 things:

  1. reduced population (they’re certainly giving this a fair go at the moment with the older generation).
  2. Rationing of energy through ‘smart’ technology and micro grids. I think something similar has been put forward on the progressive west coast of the USA to help combat climate change.

My take is that it is likely point 2 that they are currently aiming for under the ‘Reset’ agenda, with the gradual knock on effect leading to point 1 over 10-20 years.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  mike

Even simpler approach: just make it illegal to leave your house. No need for cars then.

Oh, wait…

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

I believe you are wrong about this. There is plenty of overnight capacity in the grid.

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

The grid hit margin and issued a warning at the beginning of the month:

https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/national-grid-eso-assures-security-of-supply-as-margin-shortfall-reaches-477mw

“Not enough wind.” Perhaps they should set up a windfarm in parliament?

Last edited 4 years ago by G.Fawkes
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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

As I filled up my tank this morning, I was thinking that very thing (well, apart from the amount, though I knew it was large!).

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I thought that the Dodo bird was extinct? Rishi could be a reincarnation of that wingless bird.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago

They will give it a QR code. Insane bastards.

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Shhh!! Don’t give them ideas – they’ll gold-plate them and impose a booking fee. 🙂

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago

Didn’t realise Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum has been talking up a ‘Cyber Pandemic’. The man seems to want us to live in a permanent state of fear – not working with me, tyrannical regimes always need an enemy, real or not.

“NEXT CRISIS BIGGER THAN COVID” – POWER GRID/FINANCE DOWN – WEF’S CYBER POLYGON https://www.bitchute.com/video/7jdzaIvviv0x/

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

People don’t realise the fun has only just started .
The globalist maniacs are going to pursue this to their desired destination unless they are stopped.

We only have two tools at our disposal,
1, mass refusal to comply , basically a general strike by the population.
2, political resistance in parliament

what hope of either ?

People need to get their affairs in order , pay down debt and develop methods of survival through a prolonged period of serious disruption to normal service.

This isn’t going away.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Insane. Shoot down his private jet.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Re NHS to set up 43 specialist long Covid clinics

Forget about cancer and heart disease. Let’s set up 43 new clinics to deal with people exhibiting perfectly normal post viral symptoms, including brain fog and stress

Lets all clap for the NHS…

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1328248388253605888
—— ——-

There is no such a thing as Long Covid – just another thing invented to scare people

It is called post viral syndrome. Easily fixed by improving nutrient deficiencies. The body chews through nutrients in an effort to get rid of viruses

COVID-19 is a lack of nutrients, exploited by a virushttps://rclutz.wordpress.com/2020/09/10/covid-19-is-a-lack-of-nutrients-exploited-by-a-virus/

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Forget the 2nd wave…….

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago

Excellent from Nick Macleod, arguable at the very least that Fauci et al and activists caused a great deal of damage by insisting that it was an equal opportunity plague.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago

Have any of you seen this –

“quote from the chair of KPMG to the WEF last week, who said that;
“Covid – 19 was just a dress rehearsal.”

Another related comment says :-

“Jeffrey Broom it was stated in the Rockefeller lockstep document dated 2010 that a virus would be released in order to bring in stricter controls of the population and if people don’t comply, a more deadly version would be released with 30% fatality rate. Who knows if it’s true”

These are comments on a SORUK thread. Don’t know the source for either yet.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I must admit to being quite concerned to Gates’ smirking “they’ll notice the next one” comment.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I saw that video of Bill and Melinda Gates’ duping delight too. Are they genuine psychopaths?

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Occam’s razor on that one.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

PS – the lockstep document doesn’t say anything like that. It’s worth a read though if you haven’t read it.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

No I haven’t – I thought you lot may have though 🙂
I am sceptical about sceptical stuff as well as non-sceptical stuff – can’t trust anyone these days!! Not sure I like being this paranoid though.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Duckduckgo it, it’s out there. Makes an interesting read for sure.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I wonder if that’s ”who knows” or ”WHO knows”?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Digital identity anyone?

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/entry-point

Note the date of the article!

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Watch the video. Sorry, I did not as I would not have been able to deal with the smugness

He says,

“It doesn’t matter about social distancing, or that I am bursting with antibodies. If you go near anyone with COVID, you have to isolate for 14 days”

So when does this end then Johnson?

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1328242621014290432

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Did you notice the nice #buildbackbetter tag too?

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merlin
merlin
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

This latest stunt is telling us that the misery will never end. Don’t even dare mention that you have an immune system, it is useless against covid.
We will be allowed into their new normal if we accept a vaccine and have them boosted as and when they see fit.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  merlin

The BEST PROOF our immune system is WORKING VERY well is this one…

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In fact in the Plantation where I live, the “doctors”/”health experts” don’t even prescribe any special drugs for those that have a “positive” amplification and are without symptoms! They just have a few extra days off… and that’s it!

Lovely scam isn’t it?

In reality OPERATION COVID main goal is just to START the CHANGE of Their Civilization.

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merlin
merlin
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

It’s just viral, plenty of fluids and rest. But covid is special.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  merlin

“covid” is just a special kind of stupidity.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

He looks worse every day.

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

He does. I think somewhere deep down he knows that this is all wrong. It is not what he thought he signed up for and he’s deeply conflicted over the government’s actions. Couple that with the fact that he is (in my opinion) in a coercive relationship with the Princess NuttyNutty, and mental breakdown is far from impossible.
Or am I just giving him too much benefit of the doubt?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

This is just inane bullshit. Boris really is just far and beyond behaving in any way that could be described as sensible. This guy is now null and void.
A bullshit machine. Nobody can take him seriously any more. Boxing glove to pummel the virus with. FFS

There is no pejorative that is bad enough for this evil clown.

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Can one imagine Churchill saying: “Hi, Folks.”? It will be “guys” next.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Ned of the Hills

Or shakily videoing himself close-up in portrait camera position. I like to think he would have at least used a laptop.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Guardian getting worried.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/16/donald-trump-concede-joke-precedent-us-institutions-democratic

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Hester
Hester
4 years ago

Has anyone read the Telegraph and Matt Hancocks comments regarding the vaccine?On Talk radio he said that
The Health Secretary said he could not rule out making the Covid vaccine compulsory, but stressed he was hoping enough people would take it voluntarily. 

This is Eugenics, It is also ilegal under article 6 of the Universal Bioethics and Human rights Declaration. Which incidentally this Government is trying to get us removed from.

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Wolver
Wolver
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa5ruw4nOLg

Link to full interview.

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

What is particularly worrying is the Telegraph and even its more sceptical columnists have unquestionably got behind the vaccine bandwagon (whether they personally take it is something we probably won’t ever know). Anyone influencing the public should make this clear.

I still assume they will just up the fear and propaganda via the controlled media to the point where there will be long queues for the vaccine. Most of the public clearly believe the false narrative and harder to reach groups such as football fans are clearly going to be coerced via the ticket providers (I suspect many would inject anything if their favourite team and told them to for the greater good).

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Football fans are absolute clowns when it comes to politics. If they spent half as much of their energy berating the government as they do with their team we might actually get places.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Absolutely I feel I’m banging my head against a wall on the forums I used to belong to hence the phrase used to belong to

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

It’s not cool to talk about politics that affects there whole way of life when you can discuss the merits of 352 vs 451…

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Yet when they do, they are painted as right wing extremists and deplatformed.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Yeah fair enough where I am from though the majority of celtic fans (of which I am myself) are hard left. They have this strange affiliation with the likes of Palestine because at some point the Irish immigrated over here. It’s a bizarre relationship.

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Steph
Steph
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

It’s truly tempting just to let them get on with it. After all if they want to push ahead of us in the queue I’m happy.
I just have a couple of concerns
1) I believe on balance the vaccine will be safe, if pointless. However, we haven’t done the trials yet to prove that. Suppose it isn’t safe and shows really nasty reactions that cause such bad outcomes that the NHS is overwhelmed? Oh dear, who pays for that both financially and with worse health care outcomes for the rest of us?
2) Much simpler point – I don’t want my taxes spent on something we don’t need. We sure as hell need all the cash we can hang on to.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Perhaps I found this link here – anyway, it’s interesting:
https://mattbell.org/only-informed-consent-should-be-given-to-experimental-vaccine

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Send him to prison.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago

Quite a lot of the hospital data is here:

https://adapnation.io/how-is-your-local-hospital-coping/

If you download the spreadsheet, it’s clearer.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

They have a new insights dashboard also – https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

See Live Data on https://pandata.org

Also look to connect with Simon Dolan on twitter – many times he has great links

Obviously LS is a great source

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Someone above posted this website

https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Yes, Ivor Cummins’s interview with the South African Pandata chap was excellent. Adding important information on the devastation being wrought in the developing world on people living hand to mouth. The same people who need and are denied cheap electricity.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

That latest Triggonometry interview with the Thai-German doctor is worth a watch. Plus James Delingpole’s interview with Prof Michael Yeadon.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

I wasn’t really listened but he said something about getting on with his green agenda.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

The Portuguese ruling is a bright spark in a pretty dark scene. Its rationality is an inspiration.

Would that we could achieve a similar judgment in this country. Are we buggered by the lack of clear constitutional principles?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Maybe, though principles are worthless unless there are people prepared to apply them honestly

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago

Surprise surprise, another vaccine now passed trials and it’s even better than last weeks!
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908

What’s interesting is this statement:

Is it safe?No significant safety concerns have been reported, but nothing, including paracetamol, is 100% safe.

Is that the best they can come up with as an argument against the ‘anti-vaxxers’? If you are happy to use paracetamol then you should be happy to take this vaccine!

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

They presume that the vast majority of the population are gullible idiots. They’re not wrong.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Indeed, that was spouted by Professor Robin Shattock of ICL, on Thursday’s Question Time. A spurious and wholly non-scientific response from someone who ought to know better.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

When Russia announced it had developed a vaccine, the elite told us that it was impossible for Russia to have developed a safe and effective vaccine as the process takes years.

When Pfizer announced they had developed a vaccine, the elite told us that anyone saying that it could not be known to be safe and effective as it takes years was spreading misinformation and should censored and criminalised as they pose a serious danger.

Apparently we are not supposed to recall what they said in previous news cycles and just believe and parrot the narrative of the day.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Perhaps they meant that a couple of asprin was all that was needed in most cases?

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

bloody sweden still not playing ball!

deaths below 5 year average – updated data set. table 1

https://scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/befolkning/befolkningens-sammansattning/befolkningsstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/preliminar-statistik-over-doda/

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

yes, maybe most of those who died in spring in Sweden were ready to go and were simply taken a few weeks/months early, and so deaths now are currently below the average as things balance out.

Sweden do not have all the additional and unnecessary deaths that the UK have because of unintended consequences of our lockdown and shutting down health services.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

My first and preferred theory so far for explaining the insanity we are living is that governments overreacted, screwed up the initial response and then saw the damage they had caused and realised they could never admit to it. Basically a giant cover up. And as long as they all stick to it they are fine.

They hate Sweden because Sweden is like someone telling on them.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I agree. They are so complicit that they’ll double down. They’ll tell themselves that the people can’t handle the truth.

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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Ivor Cummings said in the Energy Blueprint interview that most of those who died in Sweden (apart from the care homes residents) were Somali immigrants (lack of Vitamin D).

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, was on BBC Breakfast this morning. Dan Walker, one of the BBC’s journalists presenters, attempted to challenge Hancock on Boris Johnson and Lee Anderson not practising social distancing in Number Ten. Hancock was in the BBC’s newsroom. Behind him, all through the interview, one could see lots of BBC personnel moving about. They were very clearly not practising social distancing. It seems virtue signalling hypocrisy is institutionalised at the BBC.

Not to be out done, on ITV’s Good Morning Britain, Piers Morgan condemned all the misogynistic and sexist abuse that Carrie Symonds has suffered and asserted that she ought to be the prime minister.

Watching the corporate media’s purported news is like watching an alternative, surreal parody of reality.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Carrie Symonds is the prime minster.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

How do you know this?

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Through the power of flippant observation. 😀

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

You should be on SAGE.

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

I for one welcome our new leader Princess HubNut.

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Sylvie
Sylvie
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Sine qua non…

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It really is a window into the mind of a psychotic mind. These see through masks they are now wearing are absolutely dystopian

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Kf99
Kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Surely the rules are Johnson has to isolate regardless of whether they were distancing? Why can’t Walker attack the rules, not that they weren’t being followed (which they were as far as I can see).

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Kf99

Boris Johnson and Lee Anderson were photographed indoors, not wearing masks, clearly significantly less than two metres apart. That is not practising social distancing.

As to why can’t Walker attack the rules? He works for the BBC. As I suspect you will have noticed, they have a clear editorial policy on the issue.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It’s the new and improved Jerry Springer Show.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago

He wants to show everyone he is the most virtuous of all the virtue signallers.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Moderna Covid Jab shows 94.5% efficacy in clinical trials

“Out of 30000 people in the trials,95 had been identified with confirmed cases of Covid.Among those infected,5 people had received the two-dose vaccine,while 90 had received a placebo”

Remarkably similar to Pfizer

Shows there is no need for a vaccine

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

He experienced a severe reaction to Moderna’s covid-19 vaccine candidate. He’s still a believer

He is apparently, one of three people in the trial who had a systemic adverse reaction to the vaccine

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/26/moderna-vaccine-candidate-trial-participant-severe-reaction/

NIH owns half of Moderna vaccine
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-07-10-nih-owns-half-of-moderna-vaccine.html

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

He’s 29 years old, slim and presumably was healthy.
What about people 40 years older??

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merlin
merlin
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Moderna have never developed an approved drug , let alone a vaccine for a novel virus in world record time using mRNA technology. But BBC thinks it is safe so all must be good.

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Assuming 15k were given vaccine and 15k the placebo then only 90 people out of 15k became infected without vaccine = 0.6%. Hardly a deadly infectious virus we should be worried about! Take the vaccine and reduce your chances of catching it from 0.6% to 0.003% when most people have 99.9% survival chance if they do.

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merlin
merlin
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

This is a low prevalence virus ( in pfizers trial only 0.2pct tested positive) , with very low mortality if caught. On what basis are they going to receive emergency use authorisation. Surely every scientist and doctor in the world should find this completely unethical.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  merlin

You’d think….

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  merlin

It’ll have absolutely no impact on death numbers given the fact that so many of these Covid deaths are classified as such due to process and not clinical diagnosis

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  merlin

You could give it to the New Zealanders and the Australians. Will be the vaccine trial to end all vaccine trials.

Agree that the 95 out of 30k participants in the placebo group speaks volumes– although we knew that was about what the prevalence was.

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Yes, if the trial was done properly then surely both groups weren’t hiding in their homes and were out to shops, travelling on public transport etc as much as possible and only 0.6% became infected.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  merlin

It’s easy when They are all in this together!

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Utterly bonkers. There’s an argument in saying that based upon these trials, our immune system is 99.7% effective and that the vaccine may help to assist the 0.3%, but not all of them either.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Cue an announcement by the end of the week that the Sputnik vaccine is 97% effective after further trials. Great news – we’ll be in the 100% plus effective zone by the end of the month and the whole thing will be over.

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James
James
4 years ago

Once the person of influence realises we’re being lied to and learns about the politicians with conflicts of interest, the World Economic Forum and how every country is reading from the same script.. How the world is under attack from Pharma, the banks, and multiple vested interests in a ‘flu d’etat’ what then?

It’s gone past the science stage unfortunately

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  James

We have to link up with other sceptical groups around the world and set up our own global network.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

You make some reasonable points, and then go barmy with this :

“The education system was contracted out to the Marxists forty years ago “

Of course it f.ing wasn’t. The main influencers were actually nostalgic reactionaries with personal ideas of grandeur – from Baker to Gove.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Daughter’s English teacher a fully paid up Marxist – and vocal.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I was rather surprised to see a canal boat near Devises, very smart looking, matt black with gold trimmings with a red hammer and cycle painted on it.

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Steven F
Steven F
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Cycle?

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dickyboy
dickyboy
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

My teacher in 1982: “theres no point in you lot learning anything, Reagan is going to drop nuclear bombs and kill us all soon”. We were 9 years old. Sheffield’s education system has always been run by marxists.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  dickyboy

And that was two years before Threads, as well. Reagan derangement was that generation’s Trump derangement.

“Sheffield’s education system has always been run by marxists.”

Wasn’t known as the People’s Republic of South Yorkshire for nothing.

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Our education system is based on the Prussian model:

https://www.forcedschool.com/post/69947261758/the-prussian-model

“The Prussian mind, which carried the day, held a clear idea of what centralized schooling should deliver: 1) Obedient soldiers to the army; 2) Obedient workers for mines, factories, and farms; 3) Well-subordinated civil servants, trained in their function; 4) Well-subordinated clerks for industry; 5) Citizens who thought alike on most issues; 6) National uniformity in thought, word, and deed.” 

John Taylor Gatto, The Underground History of American Education

So the current ruling class weltanschauung is stamped on formative minds, which is indeed an increasingly Marxist ideology.

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JudgeMental
JudgeMental
4 years ago

Simon Dolan on Twitter

I have come to the conclusion that the Govts intentions are simply to break the spirits of people and to decimate the economy.

The purpose?

To make you reliant and dependant on the Party

Look to China. That is their model.

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mike
mike
4 years ago
Reply to  JudgeMental

spot on.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  JudgeMental

LS keeps us sane

Last edited 4 years ago by Victoria
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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  JudgeMental

I agree. I have been thinking thus for some time.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  JudgeMental

China decimated its economy. I must have missed that. I thought China had made massive strides in developing its economy and reducing poverty over the past decade or so.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Actually, FIRST it decimated its economy and broke the spirits of its people and then it went on an economic growth rampage.

A few decades of Maoism destroyed the economy and the rebellious spirit of the Chinese. Then they opened the economy up, but fully under the control of the CCP.

Simon Dolan’s observation is spot on.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Correct! Many parallels, Great Leap Forward, Red Guards …

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

My mistake I hadn’t realised that the reference to China decimating its economy referred to the Great Leap Forward, instituted in 1958.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Mao drove the economy to ruin with 5 year plans, destroyed the family and education with the cultural revolution so as to begin a new beginning.
Pol Pot tried the same in Cambodia with less success.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Millions starved to death first.

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  JudgeMental

I am the only one who gets to choose what breaks my spirit and what does not.

Last edited 4 years ago by G.Fawkes
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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

A box tied to your face with a rat in it says you’re wrong.

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Steph
Steph
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Or whatever your major phobia is. Mine would be a tarantula. I really doubt I could resist that threat. We all have breaking points.

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

And yet, the choice still remains.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

Not once KGB have finished with you.

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

James Stockdale would disagree.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Govt want to clamp down on ‘misinformation’ but media doctors like Hilary Jones & Sarah Jarvis are the real danger. Under the guise of expertise, they’re given big platforms to tell us to conform to whatever is being asked of us. Far superior doctors don’t get that exposure.

https://twitter.com/SoniaPoulton/status/1328304442131755010

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

The most damaging piece of misinformation currently in circulation is that the PCR is fit for purpose.

The government should start by publicly debunking that.

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merlin
merlin
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

PCR testing is brilliant, more positive tests given out means more business. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the labs just look at the sample and give a result.
I can’t believe wancock will allow any debunking.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

When they say misinformation, they do not mean inaccurate information. They mean anything that challenges the official narrative. But Labour’s Shadow Health Secretary can hardly be seen to be publicly calling for the criminalisation of anyone who challenges the official narrative.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

“Misinformation” now means The Truth.

Last edited 4 years ago by Cheezilla
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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Maybe we can use their impending new laws against them?

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

It’s more that the purpose isn’t fit for the PCR. It’s a perfectly good test if done properly and the results interpreted correctly.

I think the most shocking piece of misinformation is immunity denial. Of course there is a grain of truth– immunity after an infection is not total sterilizing immunity for life. But nobody ever thought it would be.

The immunity denial you see in the Guardian, BBC etc. is every bit as ridiculous and unfounded as the theory that 5G causes Covid. And yet it’s somehow become mainstream.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

It is fit for purpose – but diagnostic testing isn’t its intended purpose.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago

No charts, but the facts about Covid-19 page is a good starting point for a fact-checked list of non-hysterical information.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

New Zealand beaten Covid? Really?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-masks-required-on-auckland-public-transport-all-flights-jacinda-ardern/BWWTUWOSPY6HUVSLHXUEJFTZRM/

Let’s bring in masks just to make sure.

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

She is clearly a NWO puppet, I literally don’t understand why the majority of people can’t see what’s going on.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Just nuts isn’t it. No virus, let’s get masked. #buildbackbonkers

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

And the majority of the gormless population will applaud it.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

It is summer in NZ. Wait for winter to roll in

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago

Fascists to the right of them,
Totalitarians to the left of them.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago

Toby, there is no such thing as “scientific data”. Data are facts, and no amount of facts constitute science. Science uses facts to establish laws and test hypotheses and generate theories, but the facts are not science. I mention this, not to be pedantic, but because the misuse of language is part of the reason we are in this (constant yet ever changing) lockdown nightmare. True, your misuse of the language is nothing like as egregious as Patrick Vallance’s “The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at” which was used to justify lockdown version two. But it all adds up. The pretence that positive tests are cases. The pretence that death with a positive test is died from the virus. The pretence that a vaccine is a public health measure, rather than a clinical treatment to confer immunity on the vaccinated individual. The pretence that an opinion from some hand picked expert is “the science” etc. We need accurate use of language if we are to demonstrate the deceptions of the lockdownistas.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

This is so very very true.
The casual use of language is proving to be very insidious.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I suspect a great deal of this casual use of language is anything but casual. I suspect much of it is intentional. When Jonathan Ashworth, the Shadow Health Secretary, calls for the censorship and criminalisation of people promoting misinformation, I am sure that he does not mean inaccurate information and does mean information and opinions that challenge the official narrative.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

21st Century Newspeak.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I reckon you have an important point. ‘The Science’, if it is anything is a process, not a series of ‘facts’.

In the most accepted framework, ‘Following the Science’ means following a rational process of hypothesis testing, and accepting that the null hypothesis stands absent a convincing measure of the probability of the hypothesis being true.

By those normal and accepted criteria, almost all the key statements made by government have not stood the test, from assertions about the seriousness of SARS-CoV-2 to the measures implemented by regulation that bypasses the democratic process.

In short : the government case is based on unverified counter-factual assertion, not ‘The Science’.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The government’s “science” is in fact pseudoscience. All of it. I have pointed this out before, so rather than repeating it: https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/10/coronavirus-pseudoscience.html

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

If you believe in science being objective see Stuart Richies book.. Science Fictions, Exposing Fraud , Bias, Negligence and Hype in Science to see it is anything but.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago

Does the government have a plan of any sort?

Or is our life from now on just going to be dedicated to achieving an r-rate below 1 for the coronavirus?

If the only firm policy the government has is to achieve an r-rate below 1, then I guess we are all going to spend the rest of our lives as state lab rats for various cockamamie experiments on how to reduce coronavirus spread to less than 1. Lockdowns, masks, isolations, tests, vaccines and whatever crazy idea comes up next.

Coronaviruses have been around since before humans appeared on the scene and will certainly be around long after us.

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merlin
merlin
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The plan is clear, slowly suffocate the population.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  merlin

I can’t breathe (now where have I heard that before . . .)

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Let’s be honest, life is over from this point on unless the masses realise what is going on.

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

They’re getting paid for masturbating and watching TV. It seems unlikely.

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DJ Dod
DJ Dod
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

Coronanists?

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

“There is nothing more corrupting, nothing more destructive of the noblest and finest feelings of our nature, than the exercise of unlimited power.”

William Henry Harrison

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The plan is to roll out the vaccine, and depending on who you think is right and the real reasons behind this they will either then gradually get us back to normal or the nonsense will carry on forever, or some combination of the two

The “plan” was always and only to have a continuous lockdown of varying shape and size until there was a vaccine

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I very much doubt that the “plan” is to stop all the lockdown nonsense when a vaccine is rolled out.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Actually, the first plan was to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the NHS.

But that changed.

Keeping the R-rate below 1 isn’t really a plan. It’s more a way of life.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The R rate is a red herring!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

This isn’t about a vaccine!

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The only identifiable plan is that which has been and is being promoted by the WEF. The very fact that numerous Govts around the world are reading from an identical script using the same language confirms that this is no conspiracy theory but documented, widely advertised and supported, provable reality. Either our various Judiciaries will save us from the totalitarian demands with which we are faced or they will be revealed to be yet another part of the problem. I am half way through watching the Reiner Fuellmich/Mike Yeadon/Clare Craig video, long at nearly four hours but enormously rewarding as it comprehensively examines and dismantles the narratives with which we have been presented and which have got us to where we are now. The three uniformly central suppositions of this narrative are: 1. There is asymptomatic transmission 2. There is no prior immunity 3. (mass) PCR testing can reliably demonstrate infectiousness. None of these are true, yet they are all being parroted simultaneously in multiple locations. If the Judiciary, when invited to do so, are unable or unwilling to find that deception, deliberate or otherwise, is at the root of this travesty of public health policy and curtailment of our civil liberties, then we shall have to soldier on until the emperor stands exposed in all his naked odiousness. We will do it, of course, because there is simply no alternative.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

They don’t want it to end, see JHuntz above. State of Emergency called so ECHR circumvented = loads of power for as long as it lasts.

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Emma
Emma
4 years ago

Has anyone had any experience of challenging hospital protocols in place around restricting visitors? My 83 year old mother had a massive stroke yesterday and the hospital refuses any visits for 10 days, then only twice a week for an hour. They will not budge. I’m wondering if it could be challenged under ECHR right to family life? They think my 90 year old dad, very deaf, can communicate with my mother, who can hardly speak, over zoom ffs.

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Steph
Steph
4 years ago
Reply to  Emma

Sorry you are having to go through that. It must be very stressful. Hopefully some of the knowledgeable people on here will have some pointers.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Emma

The problem is the government have declared a state of emergency that allows them to circumvent the Human Rights Act. The ECHR is effectively not worth the paper it’s written on. The relevant section is article 8 it may be worth a shot regardless. So sorry to hear this is happening to you.

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Hoppity
Hoppity
4 years ago
Reply to  Emma

That’s really rotten. Only thing I can think of is trying the hospital’s patient liaison service, assuming they have one, and if the office is open. If I were you I’d go along in person. I’ve done that before now, sooner than phone or email and have to wait for a response. They’ve always been very good when I’ve been in touch with them – really understanding, and able to help. Good luck!

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Mrs Two-Six
Mrs Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Emma

This is beyond cruel. I feel for you and your family. I don’t know if quoting The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020 would help in this situation?

 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/made

Restrictions on leaving home
5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.
(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)—
(a)the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies;

Exceptions: leaving home
6.—(1) These are the exceptions referred to in regulation 5.

Exception 4: medical need etc
(6) Exception 4 is that it is reasonably necessary for P to leave or be outside P’s home—
(a)to seek medical assistance, including to take any medical tests, be vaccinated or access any of the services referred to in paragraph 47 of the Schedule;
(b)to donate blood or attend medical trials;
(c)to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm;
(d)to attend a person giving birth (“M”) at M’s request;
(e)to visit a person (“V”) receiving treatment in a hospital or staying in a hospice or care home, or to accompany V to a medical appointment and P is—
(i)a member of V’s household,
(ii)a close family member of V, or
(iii)a friend of V.

If that does not work get onto your MP and create merry hell.

I hope you get to visit.

Mrs Two-Six

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Mrs Two-Six

Good work Mrs 2-6

This a situation I think a lot of us hope never to find ourselves in and you just never know if it might happen.

It is bad and stressful enough even in normal times but the inhumane cruelty that people are now being treated with is indescribable.

Emma I hope you and your parents can get through this. Much love to you.

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  Emma

Ask the Ward Sister for the name and contact number of the social worker that covers your mother’s ward.
Ask for an urgent urgent social care assessment. This is your entitlement. (Hospital discharge planning was my former job!)

The assessment should include your father’s view as well as your mother’s. Also it should include physiotherapy & occupational therapy as it’s vital to mobilise as much as possible soon after a stroke. Your mother must sit out in a chair daily & not stay in bed.

I would be worried about these first 10 days without a visit as she may feel abandoned and this will impact on her willingness to mobilise. Stress how the contact with your father is thus vital for her well-being to improve mobility and independence and facilitate early discharge (These are started as early as possible).
P.S. Use as many of these Buzz words as possible,

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

AdapNation have launched a brilliant new insights dashboard:

https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

Cracking information.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Great website

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

False Positive Covid Tests Will Extend Unjustified Lockdowns, Fauci Admits ‘Miniscule’ Accuracy

Fauci added, “If you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more that the chances of it being replication competent are miniscule.” Got that, minuscule. Fauci didn’t stop there. “You almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle. So I think if someone does come in with a 37…38, even 36, ya gotta say, ya know, it’s just dead nucleotides. Period.“

After hearing Fauci, the next logical question for populations being held under lock and key is: What cycle thresholds are being run on the current Covid tests?

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On two separate occasions, Jefferson and Heneghan attempted to warn UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson against the lockdown strategy. They called for a national program of testing quality control to ensure accurate, precise and consistent results, among other common sense ideas. The two had said they searched in vain for evidence that the tests in use in the UK have been independently validated. They further called for transparency around data showing how sensitive the laboratory processes have been. 

In the UK, the reality of false positives is urgent. Johnson and his gaggle of tone deaf officials are rolling out mandatory testing for all residents of four towns and counting. 

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/false-positive-covid-tests-will-extend-unjustified-lockdowns-fauci-admits-miniscu

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I wrote to my local Minister three times in the past 4 months with two specific requests. Always the same two, just with added citations of information each time.

Publish the FPR and NPR being tracked by the health authority here in Northern Ireland

Publish names of all PCR tests being used and their CTs.

Thats it. I knew that if they did that, it would be game over. He’s ignored all three mails. In that time now we’ve manufactured a crisis with chool closures, exam uncertainty, NHS staff shortages, cancellation of electives and subsequent deaths, loss of liberties and freedoms.

Complicit. No other word for it. He’ll be forever reminded of this

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Has there been any press coverage of the Portuguese Court decision? Can’t find anything online

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

You could try emailing Deborah Cohen. She’s pretty honest I think and has done some OK stuff for the BBC. If you do an internet search for her, she has her own website and that has her email address, which she does look at and sometimes answer. You could email her some snippets from the piece above the line.

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jrsm
jrsm
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I am Portuguese and have been watching the news here today and yesterday. If there was any mention of that decision, I haven’t seen it – I learned of it through here. The news are almost exclusively “in five days we are all going to die, because the hospitals are overwhelmed if you don’t all wear masks in your sleep” propaganda.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Ivor Cummins on Lockdowns, Immunity, Curves, Mortality Rates, and Making Sense of The World’s COVID Data

  • The three primary reasons why a curve goes down during an epidemic   
  • The WHO guidelines to a pandemic (This will shock you!)
  • The critical role of herd immunity
  • The link between mortality rates and prior seasons
  • Why Sweden is getting shamed in the media for their COVID strategies
  • The shocking data on mortality rates from COVID-19
  • And much, much more…

https://www.theenergyblueprint.com/ivor-cummins/

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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Excellent interview, highly recommended. The interviewer is well-informed and asks intelligent questions.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

People need to realize too, that the WHO guidelines were absolutely crystal clear on this in November 2019 publication, decades of science. No quarantine for pandemics. Once the virus is in the country, no point, just no point. The Irish pandemic guidelines, I downloaded the same thing. They also say the test and trace, there’s no point once the virus is broadly in a country. These measures are only if you’ve got an Island nation, and you’re actually attempting to keep it out.

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

Our visit to the out-of-town retail park this morning just underlined how stupid are the “rules”

Asda, fully open including all the franchises inside, selling food, clothes, homeware etc.

B and M next door, fully open, selling food, homeware, toys, gardening goods, a few clothing items.

Matalan next door, closed apart from click and collect for clothes and homeware.

M and S lower floor open, selling food, a selection of ladies’, men’s and children’s ware, Christmas shop open. Upstairs closed for homeware and the rest of men’s and children’s ware.

If you tell the shop assistant at the bottom of the (working) escalators what you want from upstairs, she will fetch it for you. No, We want to be able to see and feel the fitted sheet we had gone to buy.

Overheard an assistant explaining to a customer “Asda is open because it is about 80% food and 20% clothes, whereas M and S is the other way round”

Madness!

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

So there is an 80/20 rule in play now. Who knew?

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Sorry, can’t tell ware from wear!

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

As a native German I check the RKI data every day.
They have a useful graph, comparing date of illness onset with date of test/notification to the authority.
The “date of onset of symptoms” has been very low for 10days, compared to “date of reported positive test”.
Today I noticed an explanation at the bottom, that much more “asymptomatic” tests results are being reported than actual illness.

On Fri 13th “ill” 537 , +tests: 15.358

I doubt the German MSM uses this info in their reporting.
And as at least 2 states have declared that they only want to test people with symptoms (as it has become too expensive to test people for free), the +test number should come down to more realistic numbers.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

That will be sold as ‘lockdown working’

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Yesterday, due to dislocating my shoulder i had to visit my local A&E. Nurse, Consultant, x-ray, consultant, x-ray, consultant again – and then out with mended shoulder in 1.5 hrs.
Can`t complain and well done NHS !

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Did they try to stick anything up your nose or were you not “admitted”?

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Just a quick temperature check at the door.

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I got the temp check and had a few questions… lost your sense of smell? Had a cough? Etc.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Around here anyone arriving without a negative test, ie emergency, is tested on arrival.

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Exactly my experience of 2 A&E visits in recent months. Triaged 5 minutes after registering…

At a visit for a pre-op assessment in July I was greeted by five staff who jumped to attention and were all desperate to claim me as I was the only patient there.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

Remember 2016:”Take back control!!”
Dunno about that but this government has TAKEN CONTROL alright; control over absolutely every sleeping, waking moment of everybody’s life, day in, day out.

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago

With 26,000 more “excess” non-Covid deaths in the home this year (a firmly established upward trend) the NHS can soon commence to close its empty Covid-only hospitals and save a pile of money.

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miahoneybee
miahoneybee
4 years ago

https://youtu.be/ZnpnBYgGARE

Well worth taking an hour out to listen to ( not much else to do anyway apart from work 😉).

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Johet
Johet
4 years ago
Reply to  miahoneybee

I watched it last night. I thought it was excellent and am now contemplating whether I should risk sharing it with my non sceptical family.

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Simon Cook
Simon Cook
4 years ago
Reply to  Johet

Hi Johet,

Not sure how relevant (or not!) this is, but I realised yesterday that the chap behind the new vaccine is also at the University of Mainz which is where Bhakdi was from too.

Kindest regards

Simon

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Mrs issedoff
Mrs issedoff
4 years ago
Reply to  Johet

I tried it on my sister, thinking surely this would make her wake up and smell the coffee. No such luck!. Even though she is anti vaccine and has strong views on big pharma, she still believes all this rubbish. I have given up now, I truly believe that a lot of people have been brain washed to such a degree that there is no way back for them.

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CathnotChas
CathnotChas
4 years ago
Reply to  Johet

I commented on this yesterday. I also thought it was excellent and enthused about it to my husband but he hasn’t watched it. He is a ‘stoic’ , not quite a zealot!!

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  miahoneybee

This is the triggernometry with Sucharit Bhakdi in case anyone’s wondering pre-click.

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Steph
Steph
4 years ago

Some of Ivor Cummins presentations? He often starts with an Irish centred view point which is fair enough. But he usually has other countries in the graphs. His most recent crucial update was great to show downturns before lockdowns in all countries that applied them. He also shows that excess deaths and ICU occupancy have not been out of the ordinary. Just search for him on YouTube

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Agreed re.Ivor Cummins – really good graphics.

Then there’s :

  • the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine – really sound analysis and concise articles.
  • InProportion website – the new dashboard is particularly good
  • https://adapnation.io/how-is-your-local-hospital-coping/ – good graphics and database.
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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Definitely Ivor Cummins. He presents the info very clearly.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

BBC report on new vaccine with smiling Fergus Walsh, onto Hull and packed ICU scenes. Interviewing ICU patients (???). One person blamed it on not wearing a mask for her ending in ICU.

You have to hand it to them. They are persistent

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I know. It’s absurd interviewing ICU occupants. Anyone fit for interview wouldn’t normally be in ICU.

Last edited 4 years ago by Jonathan Smith
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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

I wouldn’t put it past them to be dragging people into ICUs that don’t need to be there. Got to keep up the fear level, don’t you know?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

The lady who blamed her condition on not wearing a mask should review the papers showing correlation between obesity and ICU intake. Just saying

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John K
John K
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Definitely wasn’t the chicken nuggets and pork pies she scoffed for breakfast, lunch and dinner…

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

According to Dr Vernon Coleman a white paper by Moderna freely admits that their vaccine will affect your DNA. Check it out.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Smith

Keir Starmer is not a Human Rights lawyer he’s a Human Blight lawyer.

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Locked down and out
Locked down and out
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Fergus Walsh’s reporting has been an utter disgrace throughout.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago

Spot on assessment of the anti-vaccine censorship conundrum.
The more they argue for or do ignoring and censoring questions and criticism of the vaccines, the less trust will any rational person have in them, scientists and the vaccine.
Why can’t or don’t want they, and in particular the judges, understand this simple fact?!

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Will
Will
4 years ago

The absolute priority has to be going after the efficacy of the tests. Don’t worry about the vaccine rabbit hole, focus on false positives.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Even if every single positive is a real positive, our case still stands – a vaccine is not necessary and the amount we are spending is not proportionate, because the risk is not great enough.

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billh
billh
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Spot on.

What’s the latest on the Scouse lateral flow tests ? It looked to be a potential game changer last week when the initial results revealed a (not) surprising absence of the Deadly Virus. Anyone heard or seen anything more ?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  billh

MSM seem to have lost interest in mass testing for Liverpool, can’t imagine why.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Maybe

The vaccine is a worry

I think it’s too late for the vaccine to be abandoned

I suppose if the tests are exposed as the nonsense they are, people will be much less bothered about the vaccine and it will be politically harder to make it mandatory

But it’s a big risk

A mandatory vaccine will be damaging to health and liberty – enormously so – and a de facto mandatory vaccine will restrict the lives of many. There are medical reasons why I would not take one, over and above the general objections, but it might mean I can never leave the country again

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merlin
merlin
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

You are right , but to fight these people we need to use their tactics e.g I have tried to convince many lockdown zealots that their level of Fear is unreasonable and no amount of hard data or logical reasoning gets through.

However the prospect of rolling their sleeve up for a vaccine is genuinely frightening for a lot of people. There will be huge resistance to the vaccine, I suspect the nhs collaborators will also very quickly find their voices.

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Templeton
Templeton
4 years ago
Reply to  merlin

Am I correct in thinking that the manufacturers are not legaly liable for any adverse reactions and the fact there is a legal system in the UK with a capped payout for damages?

Last edited 4 years ago by Templeton
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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Stop the PCR tests and the ‘pandemic’ stops

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Steven F
Steven F
4 years ago
Reply to  James

That’s it, in a nutshell.

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rose
rose
4 years ago

perhaps we can just slip a doctor £50 just to get the travel passport without the vaccine?

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  rose

Try eBay.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

Hundreds of dentists in danger of going out of business with increases in jaw cancer, tooth decay,infections and other medical problems in the next few months.
I hope that the sheep and collaborators suffer from the toothache from hell.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Who would have thought in the beginning of the year that we will not have access to dental services? More like 3rd world lack of services.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Dentists refuse to see patients and are in danger of going out of business. Who would have thought it?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Yep – serves them right, except it’s us that will suffer.

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Mike
Mike
4 years ago

Can someone explain to me how they are working these vaccine trials?

Am I right in thinking that they are injecting half of the volunteers (30K in latest one) with the vaccine and half with the placebo (aka another vaccine), then seeing who (if anyone) develops covid like symptoms?

Am I right in assuming they aren’t actually treating anyone who actually has Covid?

If no one has it but they illicit an antibody response to the vaccine but haven’t trialed it against the real deal, how do they know how effective it will be. Are they not opening themselves up to the ferret scenario and wild virus exposure?

If the latest batch of poison being touted today has had 95 people (out of 30K) show covid symptoms, only 5 of which had the actual vaccine, doesn’t that in itself highlight how easily other illnesses can be attributed to Covid if the other 90 people with symptoms had an alternative vaccine (presumably something like MMR)?

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

That seems to be it. Life appears to be a 99.7% effective vaccine.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Moderna Vaccine TLDR:

30k in trial.

15k on Placebo.

15k on Vaccine.

90 on Placebo caught Covid.

5 on Vaccine caught Covid.

29,905 did not catch Covid.

14,910 on the Placebo did not catch Covid.

14,995 on the Vaccine did not catch Covid.

Laughable

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Gerry Mandarin
Gerry Mandarin
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Sames statistical twisting they do with statins.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Gerry Mandarin

I doubt they have considered false positives either.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

90 caught Covid of which how many ended up ill? Did they only count symptomatic?

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Gerry Mandarin
Gerry Mandarin
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

They use another vaccine so that it hides the number of extra side effects that would be noticed against a sugar/saline solution.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Gerry Mandarin

I believe in the US trials the FDA — because of Del Bigtree and his non-profit ICAN — made the manufacturers use an actual saline placebo vs. the meningitis vaccine which they had intended to use as the “placebo.” Trials outside the US are likely using the meningitis vaccine as the placebo.

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chris
chris
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Try this

https://twitter.com/Arkancideisreal/status/1327805882063720448

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

placebo (aka another vaccine)

A vaccine is not a placebo. A placebo is a substance that has no therapeutic effect. A sugar pill or a saline solution are typical used.

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Mike
Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Agreed, however they seem to use placebo and placebo group to represent the comparison group in these types of trial. I agree, what they actually do and how they test is far from a placebo but it keeps the sheeple from asking to many questions.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Found this yesterday:
https://mattbell.org/only-informed-consent-should-be-given-to-experimental-vaccine

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mjr
mjr
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

some time ago one of the “tv doctors” said that she was participating in a trial – i think it was the oxford – and the control sample on that trial was given a meningitis vaccine . i would agree that placebo is not the correct word to use as a placebo is a substance that has no therapeutic effect

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  mjr

The ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine trial (2020-07-20) used the MenACWY vaccine as the control.

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Pendolino
Pendolino
4 years ago

Hi everyone, Can I reach out to the Scottish reader who tipped off Toby re the National Records of Scotland table published in today’s Lockdown Sceptics main page? Bearing in mind that the Holyrood Harridan seems poised to jail the million or so of us in and around Glasgow, I was poised to fire off a letter to The Herald et al with a link to the table. The LS link takes you only to the main dashboard page. Alas, I have combed through the entire dashboard including the excel charts but can find no such table. Can you point me to its location please?
On closer inspection I can see that it might be a painstaking construction arrived at through compilation of various charts. If so, may I ask how it was put together and precisely what information sources were used? I am NOT trying to trip anyone up here. Nor do I have any suspicions about the data the table reveals. I just want to ensure absolute accuracy in any dealings with the media.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Pendolino

Yeah, it would be good if we could find the sources i’d like to issue this out also

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Just about sane
Just about sane
4 years ago
Reply to  Pendolino

I would be interested as well. In fact I would like to see more charts and graphs for Scotland as there seems to be very little I can find online.

I do like your term for her in Edinburgh, Holyrood Harridan seems much more educated than my term which is not for print.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago

How do you even begin to break down this level of brainwashing/propaganda?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

It’s a cult. Simple messaging with no real point to it, while the Wizard pulls the levels in his Palace. A lack of belief in the cult is the reason for all woes.

Positive psychology bullshit. Believe and it shall be so.

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Believe and it shall be so
In a post-truth world it is so, whilst objective fact, scientific reasoning, and culture all hurtle over the cliff into oblivion.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Just reply with the same slogan they are using this year!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Do we have any proof that rreal ‘Nurse Kelsey’ exists?

Propaganda – you can bet real nurses know the situation.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Well the girl that whisteblowed about the trust in Cornwall said she was surprised at how much her colleagues bought into COVID even when the data didn’t support it.

Lets face it a lot of NHS staff are loving this new found self importance coupled with a reduced workload.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

As René Artois would say – Stupid Woman!

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Mrs issedoff
Mrs issedoff
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I have just thrown up my late lunch!. This makes me so angry that I could happily throttle the person who wrote it.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Mrs issedoff

They’re probably surrounded by several other blokes of the 77th.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Kelsey is/was the name of a key nurse character on Casualty …..

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Goodness me, how about you just shut up and get on with your job, you annoying nurse.

What did you think your job was going to be when you signed up to be a nurse? Has it come as a shock to you that you have to deal with sick people?

Note to doctors and nurses who are planning on complaining: shut up and do your jobs.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

First, these are the people in full PPE and yet patients are still testing positive for Covid after being in hospital settings. How does she explain that? Can’t very well blame the rest of us for nosocomial infections.

Second, maybe she thinks firefighters should stop doing their jobs because fire can burn and even kill, therefore those in burning buildings should fend for themselves and not expect firefighters to come in after them. Policing is dangerous too, so cops should just declare themselves vulnerable and only agree to desk duty.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

That’s good, because they’re not getting my applause or donated pizza.

Someone like this should have never gone near a nursing qualification. This is basically what they are saying:

We need you to stop going to work and doing your job so that you stop earning money and paying taxes that literally and figuratively pay our salaries… oh, wait.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

A FOI appeal just came back.

In the opinion of the County Council’s Director of Public Health the subject of your request relates to Central, and not, Local Government policy. The Director of Public Health has confirmed that neither he, nor the County Council, have been provided with the government’s ‘workings out’ and have not been provided with, what you refer to as “official document(s) and guidance”.

As your request relates to Central Government policy and you have already, according to your request, contacted the Department of Health and Social Care, I would recommend that you take up the matter either with your MP or the Secretary of State.

So again, a council has no supporting evidence ro science to justify enforcing ny legislation.

My reply to them just for the hell of it:

Thank you for your open, honest but unsurprising answer.

Central Government have so far been unable to supply any scientific evidence under FOIs to support any of the measures taken since March 2020.

I am surprised that the Council, who are sometimes heavy-handedly enforcing these measures in conjunction with the Police have not researched the science for themselves but just taken the powers given to them and commenced enforcement of the legislation without regard if the measures are proportionate, will work or have any justification.

In short your answer amounts to “we are just following orders”.

Articles 3, 5, 9, 12, 13, 18, 19, 20.1, 23.1, 25.1, 27 and 30 in the UN Declaration of Human Rights are all being trampled upon.

Articles 3, 4, 8, 16, 25, 26 and 41 in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union are all being trampled upon.

Under the UN Principles of International Law Recognized in the Charter of the Nürnberg Tribunal and in the Judgment of the Tribunal 1950 the Uk Government is committing Crimes Against Humanity.

Under this document Principles III, IV and VII are relevant to your actions in willingly enforcing any legislation and that your defence is not acceptable.

Class action lawsuits against Governments are in the process of being prepared in this and other countries on exactly these grounds.

Once again, thank you for your honest answer, it is much appreciated.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Sterling work once more AG.

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bluemoon
bluemoon
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Bloody fantastic.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Comrades!

Comrade Chairman (who overcame previous infection) has been in contact again with deadly disease, so must isolate in case of re-infection.

To prevent future need for isolation, glorious Party will spend billions of Party money on vaccines produced by Party patrons which will mean isolation is no longer needed!

Vigilant comrades are advised to be on guard against wreckers, bigots, oppositionists, other *ists and *phobes who spread rumours that there is a contradiction in a vaccine giving better immunity than an actual infection.

This will increase tractor production!

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NoelGallagherseyebrow
NoelGallagherseyebrow
4 years ago

Am I being stupid here? Surely if no immunity was gained from having the virus once (sorry a positive test result) then we would be hearing of millions of reinfection stories? Haven’t there been like 5 worldwide and even they were dodgy? With that in mind, why is Boris isolating again?

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  NoelGallagherseyebrow

To coerce the population to comply with rules
To make them think that a vaccine is the only solution
To make them think that you can still spread it even if you have had it

It is pure theatre

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Steven F
Steven F
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

As was the staged departure of Cummings. All conjurors rely on their audience seeing what they expect to see. If it is a particularly tricky trick, the use of some smoke and a few mirrors will always create the desired effect of mass credulity and open-mouthed wonder.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  NoelGallagherseyebrow

perhaps because if having had it gave you some immunity from self-isolation and their other stupid rules, everyone would go and get it on purpose.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  NoelGallagherseyebrow

Because his handlers have told him that we’re too stupid to realise that actually he doesn’t need to. That we couldn’t possibly have read reports and opinion by REAL experts more qualified on the subject than the risibly named ”sage” bunch. And that many of us now have a rough layman’s idea of how this (fast vanishing) virus and immunity works.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  NoelGallagherseyebrow

He’s got to because they’ve told us that you don’t gain any immunity.

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  NoelGallagherseyebrow

He has to pretend to follow his own stupid rules or people would make even more fun of him. Maybe Dom’s cunning revenge plan is to catch him breaking them.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  NoelGallagherseyebrow

Because he’s like a petulant 8 year old stomping off to his room in a strop and doesn’t want anyone around. Merely convenient imo.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  NoelGallagherseyebrow

Kerrrrrrchingggggg!

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Steven F
Steven F
4 years ago
Reply to  NoelGallagherseyebrow

That’s exactly the ridiculous but scary point Mike Yeadon made in his conference with Dr. Fuellmich a few days ago.
Link here in case anyone missed it elsewhere on these threads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kANkpqtWLN4

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago

Why isn’t the BMJ publishing the Danish mask study?

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Because it will get in the way of the politics.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

We’ve just been told that they are denouncing the politicisation of science…

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Have we tried asking them?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

BBC news website

A question for the dimwits who read the BBC garbage

Why does Boris Johnson have to self-isolate?

Because he’s a feckin knob that’s why

(he looks like he’s been on the piss all weekend)

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

That’s true. What an insult to the nation, appearing before the cameras looking a mess like that.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Yes, the lovable buffoon act has run its course.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Carrie’s been ruffling up his hair and planting big slobbery kisses all over his head: “I love you Pubblebuffs… you’re such a clever Bowis getting rid of that howwible Dominic thingey…We won’t even mention his nasty name will we You know I once saw him step on a spider…deliberately. You’d never do that would you Pubblebuffs? Of course you wouldn’t…”

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

Moderna, have the chiefs there got much stock left to sell? It’s all about the money..

  • Selling To Zero: Generally, corporate best practices suggest that a company’s leadership should hold on to at least some stock in their company to have “skin in the game.” That way, the thinking goes, an executive has an incentive to improve the company’s performance. As Moderna has been developing its coronavirus vaccine, two executives, including the Chief Medical Officer, have sold all their stock holdings in the company. The General Counsel has sold nearly all of her holdings.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns?t=1605535476785

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Obvious fraud.

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yohodi
yohodi
4 years ago

As someone has already mentioned below, the Doris Johnson thing is all theatre, actually it’s all pantomime, November right on cue..Jeez, how in the name of God did we get stuck with this idiot?..a man who would not look out of place sitting on a lilly pad… Thinking about it, I do know how we are stuck with this idiot, the ‘real powers that be’- singled him out from a line up of Village idiots.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  yohodi

The positive test may be true but the rest is theatre

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Test done at 65 cycles?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  yohodi

There is no genuine opposition or journalism with integrity surrounding Westminster. It’s us against them now.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

The shirkers I worked with might ring up on a Monday morning and say they won’t be in as they have a cold

The pig dictators lame excuse is that he might have a cold

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

A cold is a viral respiratory disease that can kill people, especially the old and vulnerable.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It an annual pandemic. Long Cold is a terribly debilitating syndrome,

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago

Unless I’ve missed it, why hasn’t the main update mentioned that the vaccine is new technology that’s never been used before? Alongside the lack of testing, this is the most important piece of information to use as an argument against the vaccine. Forget “misinformation”, we don’t need to get into theories, this vaccine is the “first of its type” and it’s not like a normal vaccine.

I’ve posted this before but I’ll post it again because I think it’s very important:

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Yes, thanks, very important

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

I honestly think a percentage of people who assume they’ll get it could get swayed by this, because I’m near certain that everyone who thinks “oh, I’ll just get the vaccine” assume it’s going to be like a normal vaccine where you’re injected with a dead or weakened form of the virus to build immunity against it. Not only is it barely tested of it’s own accord, which is worrying enough, it’s a whole new type of vaccine! It’s absolute madness. They need to post about it in the main update, because even I had no idea until I read a post on another site that mentioned it.

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Chicot
Chicot
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

A whole new type of vaccine, planned to be used on the entire population of the world and for which the manufacturers have been granted complete indemnity in case of any adverse effects. What could go wrong?

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Dr Mike Yeadon took issue with Madge Hancock a couple of months ago:
https://mattbell.org/only-informed-consent-should-be-given-to-experimental-vaccine

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Good link, thank you.

Several of the vaccine candidates use novel technology which have not been previously used to create vaccines.

There is therefore no long-term safety data which can be pointed to in support of the notion that it’s reasonable to expedite development and to waive absent safety information on this occasion.

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

I saw you post this before and was grateful. I’m glad you posted it again, as I couldn’t find your previous, there were too many posts to go through.

I think you should keep posting this tbh, and spreading the word – at least until you go Galt 😉

Since your post I’ve noticed questions about the function of the vaccine being carefully evaded. Ha.

Thanks again.

(oops, hit reply on the wrong post – this was in reply to John Galt’s post. Apologies)

Last edited 4 years ago by G.Fawkes
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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

Yes, there are always loads of posts to get through! I’ve ended up keeping a coronavirus folder on my computer and it’s absolutely filled with images.

Haha, “who is John Galt?” When I was going into restaurants I was putting down John Galt as my name, I always wondered if anyone would get the reference.

And no problem at all.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

You have to be older or a Libertarian to get the John Galt reference! I’m both.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Can they guarantee that it will produce the same result for every human being that gets vaccinated?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Use the mouse wheel to scroll up and down.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

HMG=Sound Byte Central.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Its not just the rNA in the Moderna jab, its the bioluminescence and the nanotech.
No way should this be rushed through.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Can’t wait to see a mutation on that piece of code!

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

I posted these links yesterday – can’t recall how I found them. It may have been here! Anyway, worth reading to get to grips what these people are about:

https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/sage-conflicts-of-interest/
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago

I posted this last night but its worth posting again. It’s very relevant.

George Hunt in 1992 made this film about how big banks planned the great reset. Well worth a watch. (36 mins).

Look out for the bit where David Lang a Montreal banker says ” I suggest therefore that this be sold not through a democratic process…that would take too long and require far too much of the funds to educate THE CANNON FODDER which unfortunately populate the Earth”.
This quote is at about 7:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8c-NKjOOA0

This is what is happening now, it has been in the planning for a long time.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I’m going to watch that later, thanks.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

And many, perhaps, stand to gain from it.
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Seriously scary…

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

Revenge will be ours.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I hope so and I hope it will be soon and savage too.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Yes.
I’m sure that us sceptics can think of worse punishments than the death penalty which I am against (don’t tempt me)
Come on, fellow sceptics, I’m sure we can think of some really appropriate ones, how about this one for starters: Cleaning Downing street with a toothbrush from one end to another (don’t worry, Bojo,Wankcock,Useless,5 homes Jenrick,Whitless,Vacuous, etc, we’ll supply the toothbrushs.
I’m sure that my fellow sceptics can think of plenty of others.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

We could dangle the guilty in cages from the poles they usually hang the Union Jacks from along Pall Mall. If they starve, that will technically be neglect, rather than a death penalty.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Nice one!

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I think they should be made to personally visit the families of every person who has died as a result of their disastrous lockdowns and stopping of all NHS services except for covid and be made to explain their reasoning and atone for what they have done.If there is anything left of them after that I’m sure we can think of something else.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

We will.

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Lili
Lili
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

They have to forfeit all finances and any gains, during their duration in politics in any role, and live on Universal Income on a council estate for the rest of their lives.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

The Cannon Fodder fight back.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Revenge of the Cannon Fodder.

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2 pence
2 pence
4 years ago

Pharma has 80 COVID vaccines in development, but Gates & Fauci pushed Moderna’s “Frankenstein jab” to the front of the line.
Moderna has never brought a product to market, proceeded through clinical trials, or had a vaccine approved by FDA. Despite Gates’ investments ,the company, was teetering on bankruptcy with $1.5 billion debt before COVID.
Fauci’s support won the company an astonishing $483 million in federal funds to accelerate development. Dr. Joseph Bolen, Moderna’s former R&D Chief, expressed shock at Fauci’s bet.” I don’t know what their thinking was”, he told CNN, “When I read that, I was pretty amazed”. Moderna and Fauci launched federally-funded human trials on March 3rd in Seattle. Dr Peter Hotez warns of potentially fatal consequences from skipping animal studies. “If there is immune enhancement in animals, that’s a show-stopper”. Dr Suhab Siddiqi, Moderna’s Ex-Director of Chemistry, told CNN, “I would not let the [vaccine] be injected in my body. I would demand: Where is the toxicity data?”

https://abyssum.org/2020/08/04/robert-kenedy-speaks/

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Moderna and Fauci launched federally-funded human trials on March 3rd in Seattle.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Dr Mike Yeadon to Madge Hancock:
https://mattbell.org/only-informed-consent-should-be-given-to-experimental-vaccine

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Moderna was previously the company IG Farben, who made Zyklon B, used to kill people in concentration camps..

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

The Sanity Network. Not bad.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Are you a new kid on the block?

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James
James
4 years ago

A decade of vaccines, courtesy of Bill and Melinda Gates

https://twitter.com/9thfloor/status/1328322121756512257?s=20

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  James

…guaranteeing the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine…
???

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

Is Sweden caving in?

https://www.thelocal.se/20201116/breaking-sweden-introduces-limit-of-eight-coronavirus

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

If so, then that’s my sanity shot down in flames.

The only thing that has been keeping me going has been learning Swedish on Duolingo with a view to getting the hell of out Dodge.

Time to reach for the pitchfork.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Let’s ask Carrie? On here, not Nut Nuts.

Last edited 4 years ago by CGL
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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I have been getting confused the last few days which Carrie is meant in the comments, as I often just scroll through.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Yes – it could get a bit confusing.
Maybe ‘our’ Carrie should be Sweden Carrie, or Carrie from ? (as in Lisa from Toronto)

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

No. They always have these stories to smear Sweden.

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BJJ
BJJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

It seems the politicians are breaking. They are overriding Tegnell with these measures. It is not he who is setting those rules.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

Indeed, if Tegnell is being sidelined then even the flagship is heading for the rocks.

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Even if they have advisory restrictions it would be a shock if they went for the coercion of fines and criminalising behaviours. For me it’s the lack of trust our government have shown in the population which is the worse aspect.

Last edited 4 years ago by wendy
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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

They didn’t lock down initially because it was against their constitution.
(It’s against ours but our government is clearly less principled!)

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Catching up at last, drip by drip. Even the last holdouts of real normality are now falling.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Checked their government website, krisinformation.se and it seems to be true. However, it does not include private events, and I’m not sure how they are defined in law there.

Strange move.

Last edited 4 years ago by Lockdown_Lunacy
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stewart
stewart
4 years ago

I wonder if Bill Gates’ obsession with viruses is a mental disorder he developed because his WIndows operating system kept getting attacked by them.

This is only a half joke. I really wonder whether his mind – and the public’s – has been warped and is now confusing computer viruses and biological viruses and how you deal with each of them.

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Maybe he needs to “level-up” and “reboot”

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Arkansas
Arkansas
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

Try turning him off and then… don’t bother turning him back on again.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Arkansas

Ctrl+Alt+Delete =. The Great Reset

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Skippy
Skippy
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Punch him until he reaches the BSOD!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Well he managed to design a system that was shockingly open to them.

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Arkansas
Arkansas
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

A “conceptual phantom” that’s become a sort of template, overlaid upon wherever the “host/attack” type metaphor has become the format.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Yes, and if someone told you that simply turning off your pc would rid it of a trojan computer virus they would call you mad. Yet, here we are with endless lockdowns.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

*you would call them mad

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

I think PCs need turning off a bit more at present 🙂

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I think you’re right 🙂

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

“Gates was small for his age and was bullied as a child.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

and his dad was a nutjob

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Well he could have used his money to improve food, water, sanitation to greater health effect but perhaps you have something as he went for the technical approach

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

As pointed out before Gates has Aspergers which explains some behaviours, as doe’s Thunberg.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

He has Asperger’s…

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago

These snitches/collaborators would do well to look up what happened to their kind in Europe from 1944 onwards,they are drunk on the supposed power they feel the state has given them and feel protected by the regime but when it all crumbles their overlords will be too busy saving their own skins to care about them.
On local social media groups around here there are a few virtue signalling morons bragging about making complaints to the council and naming businesses they have got it in for,seemingly with no idea they are putting targets on themselves.I desperately hope that one day they get everything they deserve.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

If not already posted..Scathing BMJ piece on mass testing..

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4436?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage

Spending the equivalent of 77% of the NHS annual revenue budget on an unevaluated underdesigned national programme leading to a regressive, insufficiently supported intervention—in many cases for the wrong people—cannot be defended. 

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

It’s certainly scathing! Who would go for these tests voluntarily – that would be people who can afford to isolate. I wouldn’t imagine many working people would go and my sense is that minority communities do not trust these tests. As for using these on school children, how can a parent not consent without putting their child at risk of being shunned.

Its a very bad idea and I think Toby suggested it is Dominic Cummings idea. Hopefully it will fizzle out as less people put themselves forward.

90,000 tests done in Liverpool with 336 positives found and Liverpool according to ONS has an infection rate of 2.5%.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

This is a corker! Thanks, PP. I just wished it undermined the case for lockdown!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

It does undermine the case for lockdowns, which is made largely on the basis of mass testing results

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I’m not so sure, Julian. They are only having a pop at the rapid tests, not PCR, as far as I can see. Most worryingly they suggest that “nobody’s freedom or behaviour should be made contingent on having had a novel rapid test. It is premature to offer testing as the route to individuals’ release from restrictions. Instead we must heed the advice of the World Health Organization and the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE)”.

I read that as there is no way to offer anybody a route to release form restrictions at the moment. And heeding SAGE means lockdown, doesn’t it? I think this editorial may represent political bias (anti-Conservative Govt) rather than a serious attempt to advocate for our freedoms or a return to anything we would recognise as sanity.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Well spotted!

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Good catch and yes, this might be seen as political bias. However, as pointed out already, it highlights the question of either a very accurate test, but no genuine “cases”, or it’s completely flawed.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Abso-bloody-lutely.

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Professor
Professor
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

The article, which is in a highly reputable journal, quotes a false positive rate of 0.6% for these rapid tests. As of 12 Nov, we are told that the Liverpool rapid testing regime had achieved 44,233 tests, with 249 being recorded as positive (https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-the-liverpool-mass-testing-scheme-a-gimmick-).

Given that this is 0.56% “positive”, so just the same as the false positive rate, what this means is that either there are essentially no genuine COVID-19 cases in Liverpool, or the test itself is fatally flawed. Shouldn’t we know which?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Professor

The revelation that both Pfizer and Modena have created seemingly effective and safe Covid vaccines that could be here by December is surely the first bit of good news 2020 has brought us…..

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

That’s what you think. Dr Vernon Coleman just read a White Paper from Moderna that freely admitted that their vaccine will change your DNA.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

On today’s Richie Allen Show around minute 65.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

DNA VACCINES
DNA vaccine work began thirty years ago, but as yet there are no licensed DNA vaccines and most remain in Phase 1 testing.
(Figure 5)
The key challenge associated with DNA vaccines is that they must penetrate the cell nucleus (crossing two membranes; the
cytoplasm and the nucleus). The DNA must then be transcribed in the nucleus into mRNA before moving to the cytoplasm to
stimulate antigen production. This core complex pathway often requires both larger doses and special, often painful delivery
devices using electric shocks or gold microspheres into person’s skin to deliver the DNA vaccine. Once inside the nucleus, DNA
vaccines have a risk of permanently changing a person’s DNA.

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/RNA_Vaccines_White_Paper_Moderna_050317_v8_4.pdf

Moderna Covid-19 Vaccine Could Add Nearly $35 Billion To … https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.forbes.com.ico https://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2020/11/16/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-could-add-nearly-35-billion-to-its-revenues/
TodayEstimating What the Covid-19 Vaccine Could Be Worth If Moderna can get approval for its vaccine and make enough doses, it could be worth $40 billion to its top line. The answer depends on what … $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Professor

I hope this question will be urgently put to either Johnson or Hancock.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago

Don’t think this has been posted . Our boys in blue covering themselves in glory https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lidl-shopper-asthma-fined-200-23018441

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Considering they’re not allowed to ask, expect more of this from coppers not knowing what they’re attempting to enforce.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

Actually police officers are allowed to ask. But if someone says they are exempt, they are exempt.

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

That’s what I meant, they’re not allowed to ask why. Anyone can ask, but no one is required to prove why.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

So this is the West Midlands Police, who previously had to issue an apology for not accepting that a shopper was exempt because he said he was exempt. When they made that apology, they claimed it was difficult for their officers to know the law and Guidance. In this instance they again claim it is difficult for their officers to know the law and Guidance. Whatever happened to the doctrine: Ignorance is no excuse?

Last edited 4 years ago by Steve Hayes
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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

This is another bugbear, is it a law or is it guidance? The latter suggests you don’t need to follow it…

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

There are laws and there are Guidance (what’s the plural for guidance?). The laws were statutory instruments, first for public transport and then for shops and other indoor public spaces. Each time Guidance was issued. The Police College has also issued guidance. But these all make it clear that there are exemptions and that the person who decides who is exempt is the individual, no one else, and they do not need proof. If a police officer is unable to understand these written materials, they are obviously unfit to be a police officer.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

“what’s the plural for guidance?”

‘guidance’ 🙂

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Actually, it depends on the context and, in this context, I am pretty sure the correct form is guidances, but it sounds clunky.

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Good to see that the fine was rescinded.

It was nice that they offered a sincere apology too.. oh wait..

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Last edited 4 years ago by John Galt
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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Twats.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

The problem is always the same – the cost of taking action. But I reckon this guy would be entitled to damages.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Have you seen the comments?

I can see why people are pleased they live under a dictatorship

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Strange… my sceptical comment didn’t appear… funny that

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

The comments are pathetic!

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/506848-boris-isolating-covid-immune/

a good one from RT

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Great article

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

He doesn’t need to isolate unless he’s had a positive test.
He hasn’t even had a test – or they would declare it!
A negative test result would allow him to go straight back into circulation. He’s just hiding – again!

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago

Top comment on the Mail’s headline article:

Here a jab, there a jab…everywhere a jab jab…

I’m sure someone creative could write the rest of the song – “old man Bill, he had a lab” etc.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Just got back from the local quacks dropping off the wife’s repeat prescription.

Signs everywhere – walls, doors, floors etc – all point to the “flu jab clinic”.

Not one person, anywhere, at all except the nurse on the door in full PPE and me.

Not quite sure who is getting the flu jab but not many round our way going by how deserted the clinic is.

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago

Nineteen million missed dental appointments due to the lockdowns, it is reported.

DIY as in olden days with a large whisky and a robust pair of pliers will save the NHS another pile of money and release dentists for redeployment elsewhere in the Covid service.

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

And is that on top of at least 26 million fewer GP appointments? How are they going to try and spin the massive excess deaths we’ll see over the next few years?

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

with Covid…

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Which one? Covid 19, Covid 21 or Covid 23?

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

I am having to pay £270 to have a wisdom tooth removed because the NHS won’t allow dentists to operate under them. I asked about going onto NHS treatment later and I was told that it will take ‘months, if not years’ to get through the backlog. NHS dentistry is done.

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wendyk
wendyk
4 years ago

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-role-of-the-maitresse-en-titre/

Power behind the throne in historical context

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

If Ms Symonds thinks that all the people who voted for Brexit will happily agree to the UK being reabsorbed into the EU, she will have another think coming…

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago

Laurence Fox

@LozzaFox

Just a quick one @MattHancock
. I’m sure I don’t need to say this, but If you do try and take away the last vestiges of my personal freedom by trying to stick a needle in my arm without my consent, bring at least four police officers with you, you are going to need them.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1328338289275908098

Looks like Laurence Fox’s party will be pretty solid on the coronapanic.

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Steph
Steph
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Those were my exact thoughts. When you are allowed to open up properly again I’m driving out to Saffron Walden to shake you by the hand.

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  Steph

It’s a long way from Lancashire to Saffron Walden and I’ve not been there for many a year, but you sound like a good reason to make the trip!

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The difficult thing is that you are almost certainly going to need a vaccination for any International travel ( and that may include between England, Scotland, Wales & N Ireland) and it may also become a condition of carriage on main line trains. I think they will let it be voluntary it will just be that to take that option you will have to live like a hermit in a cave. I will hold on as long as possible but some of our family are going back to work in Africa for a few years and we will want to visit, if there are still flights? and so for us it will be vaccination or do not see your family, I expect in the end we’ll have to take the jab.

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Currently illegal to try that though

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

You need vaccination against certain ‘killers’ to fly in and out of some countries. Not inconceivable that it will be extended. And of course airlines can introduce their own criteria as private companies.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Not sure about within the UK, or on trains, but yes, for international travel it’s very likely to be mandatory. I do – or did, before the Hysteria set in – a significant amount of international travel, so it’s a bit of a worry for me. The best I can hope for is that whatever vaccine comes to the fore will be well and truly tested by human lab rats before I have to have it.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It won’t happen

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

IDs are already being rolled out for international travel.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Take the jab, if you are tired of living or being remotely well, or just plain stupid.

For those who think that the coming vaccines are about protecting from coronavirus infection Hancock & Co are doing a special deal on those very famous Brooklyn bridges. Be quick though, as stocks are limited, until next delivery.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rowan
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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Any form of compulsory forced medical treatment – particularly involving a novel vaccine – must go against a whole slew of human rights laws – the thought of people being rounded up by police and forcibly injected is utterly repugnant to anybody with a shred of humanity

You can chose to take the vaccine under consent, and I might do if it is demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt to be fully safe – nobody should ever be made to have it

My grandmothers brother was a holocaust survivor being imprisoned in Dachau – he did not talk of the horrors that he experienced

Very frightened of what is happening in my adopted home

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

You can if you do it very quickly the first time.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago

100% correct.

For any doubters on the debasement of eduction please research Robert Muller and his global curriculum agenda etc etc.
The system has been reconfigured over the last 30 yearsto exclude, amongst other things , the teaching of critical analysis. This is one of the reasons there is so little questioning of whats going on. People have been schooled to accept the bs they are given without question.

The power of NSU etc leftist leaders was never controlled, certainly not be any conserv politicians.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

If Sweden does actually catch up with The Madness then we really are in trouble.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Or it means the whole thing is coming to a head.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

How might it, out of interest?

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

In my opinion, this whole affair is very likely to do with a financial reset, which in effect will be a massive debt jubilee.

This will have to be global.

Sweden getting with the program, will show we are one step closer to that happening.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

That might be the end of this but the start of something much worse.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

A debt jubilee for who? I can’t see Mr Unwashed being a beneficiary, unless of course part of the deal is to sell yourself into permanent UBI slavery and forfeit all your worldly goods..

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

There has never been a deviation from the trend on deaths. Cases should be disregarded.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

We know that but their politicians are now caving into it.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

In what way?

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

They’re planning a curfew and now a rule of 8, as posted lower down. Even if it’s just advisory it’s not good news that they’re jumping on international bandwagons.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Well if that’s the case so be it. I think the anti Sweden rhetoric has been firmly consigned to the bin given we are almost in December.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I’m expecting another blast of that with “ha ha Sweden got it wrong!”

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Mainly the government diktat bandwagons, although the fact they’re doing it just as the “vaccines” are readied for deployment is probably not just a coincidence.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

If it does, then we will still keep fighting. If it doesn’t then everyone other Government will continue to ignore them. Try not pay too much attention to rumours about what might be going on there.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

It’s another defeat for our cause, MSM and zealots will be celebrating that “they got it wrong.”

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

It’s inevitable sadly. They must be under huuuuuge amounts of pressure.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

It has been speculated on here before that Sweden has been a control arm this whole time. Now it’s been decided it’s not needed anymore and can catch up with everywhere else.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Equally plausible is that their politicians are under the same pressure ours are under, domestically, from a fearful populace and evil media

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Maybe that too but still bad news, the bandwagon is an exclusively one-way vehicle.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

Zoom university doesn’t even teach that.

Last edited 4 years ago by DRW
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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

Doctors take part in Leipzig demo on November 7th

German

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9w3P04_fPA

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Johnson, Hancock etc remind me of spivs, touting their wares

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago

Never forget. Never forgive.

There will come a time when this particular crisis of illiberalism is past, and we will be tempted to concentrate on other more urgent issues, and our anger will have faded with time.

That’s when we will need to remind ourselves of how we are feeling now, of the depths these scumbags in office and in authority and influence plunged us to, in their pathetic panic, using our own tax money to propagandise and manipulate people around us into sharing their fear, and blaming us for the suffering inflicted by the crimes they commit.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Newsletter from Ari Whitten on 12/11/20

I’m incredibly excited to announce the results of a new “vaccine” study. 

Unlike Pfizer’s recent announcement, this one is actually solid, statistically significant data that has already been published in a medical journal and peer-reviewed.
Get ready for it… This is mind-blowing stuff. (And make sure to read all the way to the end — because there is an important surprise!).

First, here’s what the prestigious, top-tier medical journal, the British Medical Journal said about the results of this study: “Although this was a small trial, the intensive care unit (ICU) results are so dramatic that they are statistically highly significant.”

SO HERE’S THE STUDY…
Researchers randomly assigned 76 people with moderate to severe C19 into the vaccine group (50 patients) or no-vaccine (26 patients) group on the day they entered the hospital.
RESULTS…

  • NO ‘VACCINE’ GROUP: 13 out of 26 patients (50%) were admitted to intensive care unit (ICU), and two died in the end.
  • ‘VACCINE’ GROUP: Only 1 person out of 50 (just 2%!) required ICU admission, and NOT ONE PERSON died!

This means that the ‘vaccine’ led to a mind-blowing 93% reduction in odds of ICU admission!
Amazing, right? 
This ‘vaccine’ could save untold hundreds of thousands or millions of lives! It’s a huge breakthrough!

Here’s the best part… It wasn’t actually a vaccine that was given in this study! …It was actually VITAMIN D!
(So in my description of the study above, just replace my words “vaccine” with “vitamin D” and you have the real study.) 🙂

Yes, really. This a real study — it was just published. Here’s the link to the study if you want to check it out. 

Now, why did I present this information this way? Why did I portray it as a “vaccine” instead of telling you it was vitamin D?

To make this one important point: Can you imagine the publicity that this study would be getting right now if these SAME exact results were on a vaccine instead of vitamin D? 
We would be seeing MASSIVE publicity all over the world. It would be hailed as an amazing breakthrough and the media would be talking about its potential to save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives. 

But the same thing for vitamin D??? We have crickets in the media and from public health authorities.

Isn’t that an interesting phenomenon to think deeply about? Why aren’t the public health authorities and media talking about this? (Please think about the whys behind this phenomenon).

Please be aware… no matter what you hear in the media, you DO have options to minimize your risks. You do have power to do more than simply wait for a vaccine. 

You do have the ability to take charge of your health, improve your metabolic health and dramatically reduce your risks. (We know that metabolic health is by far, the best predictor of risk, next to old age. And we now know that vitamin D status is one of the other critical players in predicting risk of severe C19).

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

2 of the control group died? Really?

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

The legislation in the US that allows approvals for vaccines to be granted emergency use, has a clause that says that this approval will be given if there is NO OTHER alternative which will give comparable results.
Why do you think HCQ was squashed remorselessly?
No great publicity will be given to any remedy outside money making vaccines, and especially those using new tech.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

The absurdity of it all:

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George L
George L
4 years ago

I feel something so big is going on here beyond our view. A website I dismissed years ago as bunk has taken on new meaning to me with all that’s been happening over the last year, and now the threat of mandatory vaccinations being voiced. Also reinforced after reading somewhere this covid-19 project was a 5 year plan finishing in March 2025.

I think it was around 2016 I first became aware of the site and its global depopulation forecasts. Read the ‘disclaimer’ at the bottom of the page.

https://www.deagel.com/forecast

Predicted 2025 UK population 14 million, down 78% from 65 million.

I have two daughters and three little innocent grandchildren and feel desperately responsible for their safety but feel so impotent despite the fact I’ve never been a risk averse individual.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

They must want to use our nukes on us then..

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

God knows! Such a beautiful world, heaven on earth, but always a tiny minority and their useful idiots want to trash it

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Looking at those projections – the USA is predicted a similar hit. Best move to Russia then by the looks of it.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Yeah.. I’ve just put Vlad on my Christmas Card list..

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

I look at something like the potential disaster waiting to happen that is Sellafield which would also explain the population decline in Ireland.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Have they done away with the population forecasts? They were there a few months ago, but I can’t find them now.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

That link in my post should take you to the forecast page..

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Ah, hover text – thanks.

Until recently it was textualised.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Honestly if this was the plan. They’ve got to have Covid-20 up their sleeve. Because I honestly can’t see how it can be sustained into a mass vaccination cull

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

The forecaasts are predicated on financial collapse. resulting in health and age care systems in developed countries being obliterated. along with other cascade effects, such as civil strife, as various groups fight over dwindling resources.

When one notes the demographic structure of our societies, together with the the number of chronically ill, then one can begin to imagine that it might be possible.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Wasn’t it Maurice Strong, he of the Club of Rome, founder of the IPCC and Climate Change scam that wanted to bring about the collapse of the richer industrialised nations..

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

“If we don’t change, our species will not survive… Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse.”

  • Maurice Strong, September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong

The Deagel forecast as I recall is based on the internal dynamics of economies and societies.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Yes, all that stuff turned out to be true. It’s a bit like Mein Kamf – he said he would do it, and then people were surprised when he did do it.

If you contact me I’ll put you in touch with people to talk to and a way to do something useful for your loved ones.

https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

Some of my friends have known about this for years, and yet they continue to campaign and do what they can. Now with covid many people are frightened and we have a last chance to put a stop to the whole lot. Reiner Fuellmich is on the case, he has a plan, and what he needs is support from the likes of you and me. SO contact me, I’ll find people for you to work with in a team, and take it from there.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Matt Hancock is on the telly at 5 pm, fortunately i wont be watching as im breaking lock down rules again by visiting someone not from my household for a few cans and a curry !

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

but Nick, they know who you are….

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Well, if you and this person consider yourselves to be in an “established relationship”, you won’t be breaking the rules, as Matt Hancock coyly explained to journalists when they asked him for the government’s justification for making having a sexual relationship with anyone outside your household illegal. He said, the rules did not apply to people in an established relationship and declined to defined the phrase, saying that the people involved would know.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Smashing. No reason to watch T.V at 5pm then.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

What, another bloody Clown Show?

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago

Here’s something that I find puzzling. In all the government’s responses to the coronavirus, the one response that has been a positive is the immediate finding of accommodation for all the people living on the streets. Yet, government ministers never mention this success. Never. I would have thought they would have wanted to take the credit for the achievement, after all, they had spent the previous decade telling us that it was a seriously complex problem that the government could do little about as it was a result of the dysfunctional choices of the street dwellers themselves and that such people refused to accept the help available. And yet they solved this incredibly intractable problem overnight. Why aren’t they celebrating their success?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It’s probably not on their radar – they are looking at the bigger picture

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Because they kicked them all out again?

Let’s be honest, with the amount of money being thrown at this, we could have pretty much eradicated societal problems like poverty and homelessness. Probably several times over. It’s all part of the deception.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

So true.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

So this covid thing must be pretty important.

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The government took over many local hotels, some run by the Britannia Group. One of these in my area which is one of the most expensive areas in London.

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

hmmm

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Andy Riley
Andy Riley
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

They are now accommodating illegal migrants in hotels, I guess they don’t want to draw attention to this.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Andy Riley

They’ve been doing that for years and years and years.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

Matt practices in front of a mirror every chance he gets. Like Pierre Léaud in that Francois Truffault film ‘Stolen Kisses’: Antoine Doinel, Antoine Doinel, Antoine Doinel …

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Anne Passman
Anne Passman
4 years ago

But since March 23rd we have been living under a tyranny. When Sir Graham Brady says that if these measures were in place in a totalitarian state we would condemn them as evil, he is totally correct. Only trouble is, our politicians are happily in thrall to the diktats of mad scientists.and they all love having power over us. Any ideas for a revolution eagerly received

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

“Due to technical difficulties we are unable to update the dashboard before 6pm.”

windows updates?

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Give hancock a chance to do his speech at 5pm?

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago

More suggested prezzies for the kids this un-Christmas…

This time it’s Guess Who: 2020 edition

(Not as happy with this as Monopoly: Lockdown edition – you might need a sick bucket if you look at it too long)
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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

That’s powerfu good stuff
One request…. really don’t want a special part of my anatomy associated with those psychopaths. It’s a giving me a very bad sensation worse than feeling sick

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Sorry, couldn’t resist…

I feel sorry for deaf people in our brave new world, I suppose everyone should just communicate with each other using WhatsCrap or something…

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

If you look up the Constitution of the WHO, the first principle laid down is:

“Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.” (1946)

https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/constitution-of-the-world-health-organization

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Not the only ones riding rough shod over constitutions are they.

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assoc
assoc
4 years ago

Re Moderna, from BBC news.

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago
Reply to  assoc

95% of scientists agree with those that fund them.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  assoc

“It is likely that convincing evidence in respect to deaths will probably only be obtained when the vaccine is in use.” he didn’t actually say that, did he?

And this: “A wide range of people with illnesses and from minority groups were included in the trials”. What is all this garbage about? They are only ‘minority groups’ in specific locations. Black people are not a so-called minority group on a global basis.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

blacks will always be an oppressed minority. Get with the 2020 PC agenda.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  assoc

However did they manage to infect the control group??

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  assoc

Moderna’s earlier ‘incarnation’ was as the company IG Farben, who made Zyklon B, used in the concentration camps…

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  assoc

Mmm… what “placebo” were the control group given?

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago

Has wan-cock been nicked yet?

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Sir Matt. As he will be one day when we are all on universal credit.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

This Covid stuff dominated most of my year due to my job. Initially I was scared, especially so for my kids. But even at the start I was worried about over reaction and had a sense that the odds were in my favour.

Then as I realised the full reality of it. I just became angry, and more and more angry as it got ever more political. You can’t even catch it and be allowed to get better in this world. It’s insanity.

But days like today when Gobshite Boris lies to the world I am left with little but contempt to supplement my anger and I feel like giving up. These people risk blasting us back to the Stone Age and far too many others seem to think their masks and compliance will somehow save them.

Specific to Boris today, if you honestly believe he did not know of a “risk”within 5 minutes of Anderson being ill on Friday then you must also honestly believe the world is flat.

It simply does not work that way, even allowing for Anderson finding out on Saturday / Sunday, Johnson’s private office would be all over this before any dope from NHS would have been in touch. That’s the reality of high office. There are no surprises. Funny how he was not in chequers this past weekend, no ?

Humanity always risked being over rated but I never expected to find myself on the desks of the Titanic @ 1:30 am and being played a jolly tune by the orchestra…..

Nothing seems likely to come along and stop this now, no judicial review, No media, no political opposition, nothing !

no life boats or big boats in the distance, it’s done. And the band played on.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

That’s how they want you to feel. Don’t give them that pleasure.
And don’t give yourself a bad conscience, a year from now when it really will be bad if they win

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Absolutely don’t give up now!
They are pushing so blatantly they think they’ve won but they have no reason for complacency.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Don’t give up now. We’ve come so far. We’re still waiting on a judgement in the Dolan case. The longer this takes, the more the judges are clearly asking questions and researching the Law.

Hang on in there…

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Hang in there fella. Its a bloody awful rollercoaster of emotional shit for sure. We will win this. Don’t let the buggers grind you down, as my old Dad would have said.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago

New Zealand masking up https://covid19.govt.nz/health-and-wellbeing/protect-yourself-and-others/wear-a-face-covering/

St Jacinda has decided that the people have not been punished enough.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Mummmm just in time for summer. Nice and sweaty.
Bastards

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

WTF! They haven’t got any lab flu in NZ. This does not bode well.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

And it sounds like they are still on with antisocial distancing.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

I thought they had pretty much eradicated it due to shutting themselves off from the rest of the world so why the need for the muzzles??

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

Becasue Kiwis evidently aren’t scared enough and they’ll soon need to flog dodgy vaccines.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

All that glee at having beaten the virus and being the envy of the world. And yet, they are still being humiliated by following junk science. So what was the point of the last 9 months

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

But they’ve got no Covid! It’s official!

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago

Back from a successful day’s leafletting. Real shift in mood. Talk to those who are asking questions rather than brainwashed people. Now’s the time to get out there. Increase the number of activists. Late teens especially.

Want to hear the full report?

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Yes, Rosie, yes.

Stop teasing.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

well I got back in just before the rain came down, a a concerned person warned me that the paths in the park are muddy and I might want to go the other way …..
seriously, does anyone here think a bit of mud would put me off?

No, thought not 😉

Very sweet person though,and I was wearing a lovely silk/embroidered skirt (amazing what you can buy second hand 🙂 )

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DocRC
DocRC
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

yes please! I have been putting sensible (sceptical) information on Facebook (my friends only) and have had no negative comments which tes in with what you are finding!

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Great to hear.Keep going!

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Andy Riley
Andy Riley
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Please!

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Helen
Helen
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Great work Rosie

Response to Editorials Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science BMJ
..never thought it would be..
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425/rapid-responses

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

yes please

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Yes please! 🙂

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Ok I put the first part higher up, but I really had a lot of interesting encounters today so will have to post in several sections.

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john
john
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/TheCoronaCure_/status/1328007641038204932?s=09

not sure on the full story here but it seems like a positive development in Denmark

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  john

Let’s hope so!

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  john

Here’s some background on the proposed Danish epidemic law.

And a short video showing the protests.

I haven’t yet found any links about the proposal being rejected.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago

These bastards just won’t give up. From the Telegraph live feed:

‘We still have a long road to travel’ despite vaccine hopes, warns WHO

Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director general of the World Health Organisation, said that a “vaccine on its own will not end the pandemic”.

He told the global health body’s executive board meeting: “Since the beginning of the pandemic, we knew that a vaccine would be essential for bringing the pandemic under control.

“But it’s important to emphasise that a vaccine will complement the other tools we have, not replace them. A vaccine on its own will not end the pandemic.

“Initially, supply will be limited, so health workers, older people and other at-risk populations will be prioritised.”

He added: “We still have a long road to travel.”

So if a vaccine won’t end the ‘pandemic’ what the bloody hell will? “Other tools”, what, like those that work in the WHO?

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

complement the other tools we have,

health id then?

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Treatment won’t end the pandemic.
Vaccine won’t end the pandemic.
Non pharmaceutical interventions won’t end the pandemic.
No amount of personal sacrifice will end the pandemic.
Nature itself won’t end the pandemic.

So what will ? Bugs Bunny and the Looney Tunes gang.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

So what will ? Bugs Bunny and the Looney Tunes gang.

Sadly, I think a lot of people would go along with that strategy as long as it ‘saves one life’!

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

The World Health Organisation is the virus. They’re a fascistic organisation terrorising the world. How did they get such power?

Things are bad in Canada. Here’s Justin Trudeau

https://twitter.com/roccogalatilaw/status/1328189823866331136?s=20

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2 pence
2 pence
4 years ago
Reply to  James

The World HORROR Organisation .

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  James

As James Delingpole says – ‘its not a conspiracy if there telling us what they’re going to do’

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Rocco Galati is the constitutional lawyer who is suing the various levels of government for the Covid response. I’m a member of the organization that hired him and I have donated to his Constitutional Rights Centre. He’s one of the few hopes I have for this country. He has always known this was about the Great Reset, which is no secret since it’s all out there for anyone to see and our PM and his acolytes have been spewing the Build Back Better nonsense since the beginning of this insanity.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Talking today to a station/platform type of person ref masks.
He first said optimistically that it’ll be over by March/April and we’ll be rid of the things …. as he spoke and I said nothing his voice tailed off and he seemed to realise as he spoke that wouldn’t be the case.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

I’ve just been reading about Tedros in Pam Popper’s book. Proper shady character. Seems to have been involved in many scandals in Ethiopia including membership of a terrorist group and no small amount of ethnic cleansing. He nominated Robert Mugabe as a WHO Ambassador. Also has no medical qualifications.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Clear eugenics if you are aiming to get rid of anyone who is physically ‘weak’ and not able to work..

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
4 years ago

on Steve Bannon’s War Room on You tube Raheem Kassam has just explained how Carrie Symons (who he knows) if full on left wing globalist into the Great Reset and has been aiming to get rid of Cummins for over six months to stop Brexit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hT1Ext46qA

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

oh, so it is bad news then, Cummings going. I was coming to that conclusion 🙁

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

No he was scared of getting CCP Virus. So no use at all, tough guy turned coward.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Who’d have thought that she was a Globalist apparatchik!? 😉

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

War room is a good source of info – definitely recommended. Pity the 2nd broadcast each day is late in the evening for us, but one can always watch it the following morning 🙂

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chris notifier
chris notifier
4 years ago

Why would I get vaccinated if even when Johnson has anti-bodies enough from a verified severe infection he is supposed to go through a 14 day self isolation… CANT THESE FUCKWITTS SEE THE INCONSISTENCY? Heaven help us.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  chris notifier

I’m sure they can see it, but they tell themselves that we can’t.

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John Stone
John Stone
4 years ago

Just posted BMJ on-line:-

Informed Consent and the Government’s Legal PositionRe: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue?  Daniel Sokol. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m3933
Dear Editor
As I understand it the British government’s legal position over vaccination presently hinges on informed consent [1]. The citizen or patient makes a decision on what should be a full disclosure of the benefits and risks [2], and while the patient may theoretically be able to sue if something goes wrong the risk in the first place lies with the patient rather than state or the manufacturer.
But surely the government will put itself in an invidious positon and undermine its own legal defence if it seeks to limit public discussion about products and promotes a public hue and cry over citizens accepting them [3,4,5].
I am not for a second suggesting that anyone ought to be able to promote false information about products only that they must be allowed to discuss them publicly in a normal, civilised way like anything else [6]. Otherwise the legal condition for informed consent will not exist, and the government may nullify its position, particularly if relevant information was prevented from coming to public light by its actions.
[1] John Stone, ‘Re: We can change practice—can we also change culture?’, 13 August 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l108/rr-9
[2] Daniel Sokol, ‘New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue?’,
BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m3933 (Published 12 October 2020)
[3] ‘ Social media giants agree package of measures with UK Government to tackle vaccine disinformation’ GOV.UK, 8 November 2020, https://www.gov.uk/government/news/social-media-giants-agree-package-of-…
[4] Danyel Hussain, ‘GCHQ spies launch cyber counter-attack against anti-vaccine propaganda being spread by Russia’ , Daily Mail 9 November 2020, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927865/GCHQ-spies-launch-cyber…
[5] Jon (sic) Stone, ‘Coronavirus vaccine: Labour calls for emergency censorship laws for anti-vax content’, Independent 15 November 2020, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-covid…
[6] John Stone, ‘Re: New guidance from the GMC: what constitutes meaningful dialogue? (Coercive atmosphere over vaccination)’, 13 November 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-12

16 November 2020
John Stone 
UK Editor 
AgeofAutism.com 
London N22

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Laura Suckling
Laura Suckling
4 years ago

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Laura Suckling
Laura Suckling
4 years ago
Reply to  Laura Suckling

My recent submission for the Turner Prize.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Laura Suckling

I was gonna say that!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Laura Suckling

I’m just trying to tease out all of the hidden subterranean meanings and the structure of the subtextual semiotics Laura.

mmm – what message does it have for the post-modern world

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Laura Suckling
Laura Suckling
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Well, in a post-modern context; I would surmise that (from a feminist and gender neutral perspective) the structural nature of the ‘perception of world inclusive and diversity context’ is apparent. However, on reflection, regarding the colour and shape of the exhibit and having consulted my esteemed colleagues, it’s a load of shit.

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

That planks wear masks.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Laura Suckling

Its a winner!

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Laura Suckling

YAY!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Laura Suckling

They are as useful now as they were before being on the floor… Great message!

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago

Handsy laying on Long Covid just a bit too thick.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Looks act the bumbling buffoon links to:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BuildBackBetter?src=hashtag_click

Same as everyone else.

Still not an agenda?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Free press!

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Good Grief…Move along…Nothing to see here….

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

The MSM seems very happy about a Biden win. Why do I feel afraid?

I’m hoping for an asteroid..

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  James

When the sun swallows the earth in 4 billion years it will not be humans looking up at the dying and expanding sun.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

The Planet of the Cows.

My offspring will rule it all. Unless Ferguson burns us all again.

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

That would be fine , I feel they would be wise and just rulers 😆

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  James

He hasn’t won yet. Dominion, what the MSM says means jack.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Welcome to My Club!

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mjr
mjr
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

carl vernon video shows how US MSM all give the same message

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Not surprising at all considering the REALITY…

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago

So what are the chances of a ‘journalist’ asking MH about Liverpool?

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

zero

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Zero.
What are the chances of MH being able to explain the Liverpool results?
Less than zero!

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Wandered into living room where my OH had been sent to sleep by the briefing. God, the questions were dire. None questioning facts or narrative, an awful lot NHS based whinging.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Yawnyaman

It’s so bare. They have to self censor, those journalists allowed near Hancock. They must go home and cry into their microwave dinners after another day of emptiness

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Couple of interesting off-topic snippets:

https://twitter.com/LawDog323/status/1328145585279365121

https://www.facebook.com/Principessa.NY20/videos/10158788198241100/?_rdc=2&_rdr

https://theoregonconservative.com/2020/11/15/biden-top-campaign-official-arrested-voter-harvesting-in-texas/

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

Just saying if we do actually lose this then I will be gone, no question. If the braindead are fine with global dystopian hell then they can fucking enjoy it themselves. Death will be the only escape, they might finally understand that one day.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

We have to win then because the alternative is unthinkable

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I’m hoping for an asteroid or assisted suicide in another country. Dystopia – no thanks

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  James

I’m still holding out hope that we might be rescued by benevolent aliens 🙂

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Me and Mrs Awkward feeling the same so you are not alone with these thoughts.

We’re discussing if it comes to that point it will be liquidise assets, go on one mad splurge and blowout and then put 2 finger sup to them all.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

II just received an unsolicited email from Prof Martin McKee at Marchforchange.
I’ve reported this as spam. If anyone else gets one can I suggest you do the same.

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D B
D B
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Yes I got the same – I’ve had a few now, no idea how they got my details

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microdave
microdave
4 years ago

It seems we will be having a “Normal” Christmas after all. Among the pile of junk mail on my door mat was a glossy leaflet from a local garden centre. There was not One. Single. Mention. of Covid, Lockdown restrictions, Muzzle wearing or Anti-social Distancing anywhere to be seen! Considering what a largish mail-shot must cost, that seems pretty brave of them…

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  microdave

A “normal” Christmas after all – that’s nice of them, but we’re still being played. I think the government has realised that it cannot enforce Christmas restrictions if enough people decide to break them. So to avoid loss of face, they will step back over Christmas and tighten up again afterwards.

Remember a couple of weeks ago, the police in Bristol could not control a party in the woods involving something like five hundred young people. They had to appeal to two other forces to assist. A ‘lockdown’ Christmas could lead to an astonishing and highly visible loss of control – which could become permanent.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Normal Christmas in the U.K. involves very little advertising of the word “Christmas” That’s sickening on its own.

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westkentim
westkentim
4 years ago

Am I missing something, or do many of the symptoms of “long Covid” sound very similar to myalgic encephalomyelitis (M.E.)? Horrid, but not new, and commonly thought to occur after a viral infection.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  westkentim

Or stress and fatigue caused by lockdown and Piers Morgan?

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  westkentim

post viral infection. Easily solved by fixing nutrient deficiencies

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  westkentim

It’s clearly nothing new. I had a proper rough time for ages after a nasty dose of glandular fever in my early 20s. But everyone wants to get in on the action now, so “long covid” it is.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Me too. I ended up in hospital, took weeks to fully recover. No one really cared, it was just one of those things. Certainly no one shut down my university or set up a dedicated rehabilitation centre for me…

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jakehadlee
jakehadlee
4 years ago
Reply to  westkentim

I suspect a lot of it is hysteria, psychosomatic and caused by “the fear”

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago

Sorry if already posted, but this is potentially good news
https://thedailycoin.org/2020/05/31/german-official-leaks-report-denouncing-corona-as-a-global-false-alarm/

It seems that the German Govt are unable to rebut the report of a panel which advised back in May that the consequences of lockdown were worse than the disease, and that Corona was a false alarm. Sound familiar?
And this week Reiner Fuellmich is serving writs against Droster at al?
Oh please, it would be good to see some really good news

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

The Covid Cabal, or the global entity that’s pushing the Great Reset in every country won’t be happy, and I’m guessing they are more powerful. Fuellmich is brave, and perhaps naive. I don’t think the courts can save us when politicians are prostituting themselves for the Covid Cabal

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Look, heads up guys – if Fuellmich does not get something happening then nobody but nobody will be able to. He is under no illusion, but he’s one of the few, and we should be joining him. One of his friends got confined to a mental hospital for speaking out – that’s not naive, that’s doing all he can with the tools at his disposal. He’s trying to get people to join him, and is calling for public support!

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago

On the other hand, this is bad. Watch it all you reset people – Trudeau is saying it as it is, nothing oblique here.
https://twitter.com/derf_anon/status/1327967377447936001

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

I’m too scared to watch that. Canadian politicians are calling for concentration camps FFS!.. What happened to Canada?

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Convert the fear to anger, to cold fury, and get to work

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  James

They don’t call them concentration camps, they’re “voluntary quarantine facilities.” Trudeau is the biggest China-loving globalist around and I fear for my country, but most of all my children. Canadians have always been sheeple as we’ve had to differentiate ourselves from our US neighbours by being “kinder” and more communitarian. Canadians are begging for a Melbourne-style lockdown now. I even read a comment the other day from someone who lives in a house but thought it would be a great idea to “allow” apartment and condominium dwellers to only leave their units every other day — odd floors one day, even the next — and prevent the elevators from stopping on the floors that weren’t allowed out that day. That would work really well during a fire or health emergency. With assholes like that I couldn’t be happier we sold our Toronto condo and, as of tomorrow, are living permanently in the country.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago

Just researching this mrna vaccine and another convenient ‘benefit’ raised its head. It appears that if ‘successful’ these vaccines would be easier to produce, manufacture at scale and lower cost (as they do not need the virus present). In a benevolent world this may seem worth pursuing. However, the cynic tells me this means we would be getting vaccinated regularly at a high margin of profits for Big Pharma.

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chris
chris
4 years ago

Based on available information, By March 2021 I am guessing that this Gov will have borrowed/spent £2B (£2,000,000,000) on this so called pandemic. Furloughs, track and trace, Nightingales, loss of tax base, vaccines, knock on economic losses. This is money which will never be, directly, paid. It will be recouped from future generations by loss of life quality and soon from pension funds, savers and inflation.

My question is what happens next time China decides to develop and release a virus. This could be an annual event. We simply wont be able to waste all this ‘money’ again.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

Also the human cost. The young are being asked to sacrifice their whole lives to protect a group of people who’ve already lived their whole lives free

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

Two billion? Should that be two-hundred billion?

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Yeah, 2 billion seems very low. Furlough alone sits at around 40 billion:

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

What kind of jobs do people on furlough do? It seems like a lot of people are back at work now. Is the bulk of them made up with people directly in the entertainments and hospitality sector?

It would be interesting to see a more detailed break by job type of who is still off sick.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I am in aviation and furloughed. Most airlines seem to be rotating staff on and off of the scheme.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

I think if you include likely future losses as the original poster mentions then it’s going be trillions, not billions.

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zacaway
zacaway
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

I work for a major financial ratings agency, the CEO mentioned in a town hall meeting to the staff last week that governments around the world have so far spend 8% of last year’s global GDP on “fighting” Covid. According to my maths[1], that is about $7 trillion.

To put it in context, total government revenues of OECD countries in 2018 was about $14 trillion [2].

It is being paid for by central banks across the West just “printing” money, because politicians have convinced themselves that Modern Monetary Theory[3] is real and works.

[1] 2019 GDP was $87.8 trillion, so 8% of that.
https://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP.pdf
[2] https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=RS_GBL
[3] https://www.investopedia.com/modern-monetary-theory-mmt-4588060

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago
Reply to  zacaway

They don’t add credit guarantees and as of yet uncalled upon but agreed commitments to those figures.
For Germany that amounts to well over 1000 billions already.
Note also, that GDPs would have contracted far more if the governments hadn’t stepped in.
A country with minus 7% GDP this year really saw the private sector being down 25% that year.
Swedens – 4% is much more healthy with government debt up 10% than another countries minus 4% with government debt up 25% and further likely to be written down loan guarantees of 25%….

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hT1Ext46qA
Fast forward to 29:00……

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Still a brilliant listen.

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microdave
microdave
4 years ago

We already know that Google, Farcebook & Twatter are doing their level best to shut down debate. Now it seems WordPress are doing the same:

The Treehouse is Deplatformed…

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago
Reply to  microdave

WordPress have been doing this for years.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  microdave

Put comments on there and invite them here while their site gets itself organised. The readers there are a knowledgeable bunch!

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago

So I’ve a lot to report from my day of leafletting – part 1

I went to Wimbledon which has a small-town feel to it, and found plenty of positive responses. The leaflet is invaluable, and Mabel Cow’s front page is now exactly right for the mood. I usually handed the leaflet over with the picture folded inside, which was less confrontational and worked well. Here’s my leaflet, to remind you
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

Mabel did the front, I did the text, and a friend got the PDF and printing done #TeamWork.

There’s quite a steep hill in Wimbledon and this was the best place to go, because people can see you as you stand there, and you aren’t suddenly confronting people. I did wonder if the steep slope gives people’s brains the opportunity to see things from a different perspective, I think that’s possible.

Several people took it eagerly and thanked me. Next time I need to carry with me a slip of paper with the links for the campaign groups, the ones doing marches.

It’s still a small minority, but my aim soon became clear, to convert people who are worried into people who are activists, whether in their own circle, or coming here, or what have you.

At the other extreme met a doctor who says “I’m a doctor” and absolutely we must have lockdown. I said the PCR tests aren’t accurate, no she said they are completely accurate. I asked her if she knows better than Prof Yeadon and she threatened to call the police – said I was harassing her. Anyone know at what point talking to someone becomes formal harassment? She did’t ask me to go away, just asked if I wanted the police, and started texting someone as well which was a bit freaky. Hope I never come across anyone like her as a doctor – there was nil human connection, nothing but heartless cold eyes.

I think a leaflet specifically on the subject of PCR tests would be good. Anyone seen one?

More later, I’m tired!

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Brilliant work. You’re a total star Rosie.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Wow, the evil doctor sounds evil….

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

She said she was a doctor.What’s the proof she was one?

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

If you are to meet the doctor you might just say one word “Metrology” – not meterology.

It sounds cryptic, but metrology is the study of measurement. And most people have no clue about it yet will happily accept that something is “accurate” without understanding how it came to be “accurate”

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Probably not a doctor at all. I’ve never met a doctor who volunteers their profession, and I’ve met quite a lot having doctors and nurse in the family.
Witch doctor, more likely!

Well done, Rosie.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Great effort!

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

More later, I really am tired!

But now’s the time – go and speak to people – do – if you want this to stop, right now is the critical moment. Don’t be shy, don’t delay, and don’t wait any longer.

Don’t waste you time on Lockdown Believers, but devote it to people who are worried – ask them what they think, don’t scare them further unless they are already aware of the plans, there’s a lot of opposition to vaccination so encourage that, and get them into activism as well.

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

When people threaten you with the police you know they feel threatened by what you say and know they have no real defence.
One of the things this situation has confirmed to me is how little actual knowledge GPs seem to have. I can only think they are so mind-numbingly bored with diagnosing the same thing day after day that their critical faculties become blunted.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Hi Rosie People i know find it easier to put them through doors as you have a map and just cross of each street as you do it .Best also to do in the morning start about 9 as doing it in the evening is disturbing people as they are eating and people don’t want noise at the door if dark .Get a map of the area and photocopy in to sections ,get your people into groups of two and give a section each .As they cover their section they mark off each street as done and when finished bring the sheet back to you ,then you mark what they did onto master copy map .All organised and no one goes over old ground .When finished move to next map and repeat .

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Love your doctor moment, she was probably thinking that you might just spoil her Covid vaccination pay off. May she rot in hell.

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janis pennance
janis pennance
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Just epic !

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Pendolino
Pendolino
4 years ago

Susan Hopkins, public health England epidemiologist has said the new antigen test has a false positive rate of less than 5 in a thousand. She then said that 100,000 people had been tested in Liverpool and that 700 positives had resulted. So by my arithmetic that means around 500 of these were false positives…?!

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Pendolino

Indeed. And nobody in the MSM will notice or understand this.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Pendolino

It’s almost like she had her GCSE maths exam cancelled.

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Steph
Steph
4 years ago
Reply to  Pendolino

Yes. People often misunderstand that it is a percentage of the positives but it is a percentage of the overall number tested. With such a low rate of infection most of it is “noise”. I told this very clearly to my MP about the PCR false positives weeks ago. Silence was the reply.

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Likewise, I explained all of to our MP with references to back up my claims and silence as well.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

Similar experience from me. Sent three emails since August about PCR. Ignored despite dynamite stuff from journals and FOIs awkward git on here obtained. Tumbleweed. Then I see this today on his FB page. Banging on about a flu vaccine shortage he warned about last year

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Steph

It’s a percentage of the negatives. Which is basically the same as a percentage of the total tested when prevalence is as low as it is now.

If 99% of people had Covid and your test had a 1% FPR you’d need to test about 10000 people to find even one false positive.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Pendolino

Ah, but they tested asymptomatics so the FP rate actually increases. Less prevalence, more FPs.

For example, a test with 98 percent specificity would have a PPV of just over 80 percent in a population with 10 percent prevalence, meaning 20 out of 100 positive results would be false positive results. “Healthcare providers should take the local prevalence into consideration when interpreting diagnostic test results.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Oops, commented before seeing your post.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Pendolino

Someone suggested in a Telegraph comment that the 700 positives might be a final total following elimination of the false positives, so 1200 original “positives”. If so, they must have re-tested all positives. Any thoughts?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Pendolino

700? I thought it was more like 400-odd?

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  Pendolino

These maths work if you assume really high sensitivity (example 4).

Example 1:
100,000 are tested. None currently have it. Specificity (false positive rate of test) set at 0.995 (5 in a thousand).
= 0 true positives, 500 false positives

Example 2:
100,000 tested. 1% have it (1000 of this group). Sensitivity could be estimated at 0.8 (200 in a thousand false negatives). Specificity is 0.995 (5 in a thousand).
= 800 true positives, 200 false negatives, 495 false positives

Example 3:
100,000 tested. 0.2% have it (200 of this group). Sensitivity also 0.8. Specificity also 0.995.
= 160 true positives, 40 false negatives, 499 false positives

Example 4:
100,000 tested. 0.2% have it (200 of this group). Sensitivity 0.99. Specificity 0.995.
= 198 true positives, 2 false negatives, 499 false positives

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

On Channel 4 at 9pm tonight there is a programme called Lockdown Chaos

What expectations should we have for it raising the issues that need to be addressed?

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

The only chaos is that caused by the government!

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

0% – i can only imagine it will be saying that the lockdown should have been earlier/stricter/longer…

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

reminds me of this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x84m3YyO2oU

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

With a sprinkle of “New Zealand did this” and “Trump is baaaaad”

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

It’s not chaos. It’s deliberate. To make us suffer so that we accept the Great Reset (vaccines, immunity passports etc)

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  James

It’s deliberate chaos. They love it, order from chaos.

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

And no doubt everything will be ‘because of Covid’ and most certainly not ‘because of lockdown’.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

I said to Mr CGL yesterday when we saw the trailer that we mustn’t get our hopes up- it will be the disaster of not locking down sooner and the disastrous t&t system and the testing. This is channel 4 after all – we can’t possibly expect more.

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ianric
ianric
4 years ago

When lockdown was introduced, did you find many of the businesses closures were irrational. I can understand night clubs, theatres and cinemas have largers numbers in close proximity to each other. I can never understand why so called non essential shops were forced to close. Clothes, electrical and book shops are often very big and it is easy for cusomters to stay apart even with a large number of customers in the store. These shops often don’t have a large numbers of customers in store. In hotels guests stay in their rooms and don’t mingle with each other. The amount staying in a hotel will vary. The cafe in my local Tesco is huge and customers can easily stay apart from each other. I am sure there are other similar restaurants. How can clothes and electrical shops be classed as non essential.

Do you feel that even in a real pandemic with an infectious and dangerous disease about, closing the business described above could not be justified and the purpose of closing so many types businesses was psychological and designed to give the message “covid is so bad we have to close a hugh range of businesses” which scares the population.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  ianric

Yes, it’s the government hitting us with psychology – and they are piss poor at it.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Either that or some of us have natural immunity!

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DickyBoy
DickyBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

I’d have to say, regretfully, they’re bloody brilliant at it.

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Maverick
Maverick
4 years ago
Reply to  DickyBoy

It’s the only thing they got right, unfortunately for the people!

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  ianric

Yes, I had to laugh so much when a very expensive clothes shop in my town displayed a sign max 6 customers at once. I was like, you are lucky if you get 6 customers A DAY!

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  ianric

Closing of businesses is to create unemployment and to allow the rich to pick off the failed businesses cheap. Destruction to create the Great Reset

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  ianric

Looking for logic in what the government do is futile – unless the logic is political expediency, appearances and theatre

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  ianric

Also it makes no sense – everyone has to crowd into supermarkets to get what they want, rather than spreading out between shops. It’s counterproductive.

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago

Just came across this website which graphs ONS data – probably already posted previously. Very clear and well presented.

https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/

Last edited 4 years ago by Ozzie
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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

It does look good – but they’ve got the mask mandate date wrong. It was 24 July, and there’s is recorded as around 12 June. Couldn’t find a contact or comment address

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Was the public transport mandate the 12th

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago

Following my post yesterday about cats, this in the DM: “Do dogs spread coronavirus?”

The government has now spent months securing for itself the power of absolute authority: above God and religion, truth, morality, family ties, your children, your body. It makes you wonder if they’re testing how far they can push you. Can they achieve an Orwellian devotion to Big Brother above anything else? Can they keep updating and varying ‘the guidance’ so that you learn submission to mere will, rather than law?

The British are noted for their love of animals. Is this a further frontier for HMG – to drive a wedge between you and what you love, thus proving your endless, undying loyalty to the Covid-cult? “Protect your neighbours from Covid even if it means killing their cats.”

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Been part of the green Agenda 2030 for a long time – pets are not sustainable according to the new green gods.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Judging by the numbers of outdoors nappy wearers I’d say submission by will is pretty much complete

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

No so much here in Sussex.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Oh good – I’ll add that to the list of places to visit (goodness knows when!)

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Old Mum
Old Mum
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Hmm, not sure that’s true where I am – more outside wearers, definitely 🙁

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Authority has always been the dominant superstition.

Take the Christians for example. Their book tells them that their God is the highest authority. They are commanded directly by their God not to kill, yet they are content to let ‘their representatives’ order thousands of deaths in far off lands. Perhaps they believe that the commandments of their God can be dismissed on a technicality.

And authority is a superstition. We confer the title ‘Government’ on average, or very often below average, human beings, and we expect this will give them superpowers of morallity or organisation, or fairness. It does not. No matter how fancy and elaborate the buildings, titles or rituals that they use are, you still get the same old authoritarian shit.

Government, authority, is anti-human, and always will be. The leading cause of unnatural death in the last century was Government. It is a blight and a curse. Follow their thousands of arbitrary commandments or be kidnapped, robbed, threatened or confined by the violence of the state.

Sadly, it takes an overt demonstration of authoritarianism before the ‘sensible grown up people’ begin see it for what it is.

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Laura Suckling
Laura Suckling
4 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

So, not content with taking away our means of making a living; stopping us from seeing relatives or friends, restricting all social life (closing pubs restaurants, social clubs and gyms) they now want to kill our pets.

Imagine for a moment an elderly person unable to see family of friends but has a pet. This may be the only comfort he or she has, the only companion and they look forward to their daily walk.

What disgusting psychopath would take that away?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Laura Suckling

Hancock.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Laura Suckling

As the toffs always get looked after, I expect hunting dogs will be exempt. I’ll have to train the bulldogs to point.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago

What a jeffing legend.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago

Excellent article in TCW:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/wholl-grab-the-steering-wheel-from-out-of-control-johnson/

I left the comment below. Interestingly, the poster below me, “Jean Claude Junket” was foremost among those slating me for it. He’s come a long, long way since March:

I said from the start of the lockdown that we had just witnessed a power grab from the people and was slated for it. I stand by those words and warn you now that we may only get those rights and liberties back by taking to the streets and mass civil revolt. Johnson’s behaviour right now is psychologically similar to that of Hitler’s denial in 1944-45, and the “Germany doesn’t deserve me so it deserves to sink” attitude right at the very end.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Elderly Germans recognise this from their youth. They’ve seen it before.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Indeed they have. And East Germans have seen it even more recently.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

A great article. Yes, I agree with the author that there is something seriously wrong with Johnson. It’s no use trying to work out what he’s doing on rational grounds because he is a psychopath or similar. This is obscured by the ‘scientists’ who seem to back his destruction of the country, but this is because they, too, are psychopaths. Not all scientists are like this, such as the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration, but their humility and admirable lack of blind certainty makes them less persuasive to the public.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-nhs-staff-flock-to-anti-vax-group-k8sq7q63w

NHS anti-vax group.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I know what you mean, but don’t let the MSM label the idea of being opposed to an undertested Covid vaccination as ‘anti-vax’.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

The term ‘anti-vax’, complete with negative connotations, will come just too handy for the Hancocks of this world. I’m afraid it’s too late.

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Ffs, they are opposed to a vaccination. But we shouldn’t let the msm call them anti-vax ?

(The desperation is only surpassed by the missing means we could use to stop the msm calling anything anything. ).

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

What’s the opposite of ‘anti-vax?’ I assume it’s “immune system denier”!

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

“Covid vaccine cautious. After you.”

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Anti this particular hardly tested vax – we need a new word for it don’t we.
It was how The Times headlined it.

And I typed the above without having looked at all the suggestions already posted! Well done you lot!

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

In the Mail too – comments overwhelmingly sceptical.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8952939/NHS-workers-join-anti-vaxxer-group-compares-Pfizer-jab-poison-opposed-masks.html#comments

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Except this absolute classic:

“Look have it or don’t have it. Just don’t come crying to the NHS if you catch and die from covid in the meantime,”

A voice from the Tomb.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

That’s going to be tough on them, since presumably they’ll be compelled to have it.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

I believe the lady in the photo has said she’ll resign first, so I suppose it will be full of ex-NHS staff by that time

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

57 new posts today
218 in the last month

474 total members
+ 227 in the last week

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I think may we have another ‘exponential’ thing happening eh?

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Also anti-nappy and anti-test.
Hallelujah.

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago

Seriously, what and when will be the ‘tipping point’ when a majority of the population say ‘ENOUGH’. I’m really starting to lose what limited patience I had. I have days of feeling sheer rage at the stupidity and seriousness of the whole situation.

Is eight months of this dystopian crap, coupled with mass unemployment, mental health hell, being locked up, the mandating of hideous, useless, humiliating face nappies and now the threat of mandatory vaccines still not enough for them?

I only wish I had their patience. Wait, why are they suddenly so patient? You give way for too long at a roundabout and people behind you go mental. Take away their broadband for ten minutes and they have a hissy fit. But the above? Total legit!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

Totally with you.
Mind you i get a lot of road rage too – i have to take it out on someone!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

When I go to see my family in Essex I am coming to your cafe!

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Better get a bigger cafe,kh.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

See you there.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I’ll happily bring a sound system for some tunes if we can run a cable 🙂

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I believe 2-6 has a disco van!

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Sounds nice.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

If I can fly without a muzzle I’ll be there!

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

Same here!

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Steven F
Steven F
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Which cafe? Where in Essex? I must have missed all previous caff talk. I’ll be going back for a family visit to Essex again soon. Would be good to find some sanity and sanctuary for an hour.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Steven F

Saffron Walden – I’ve been on here for what seems like forever now.
I’m pretty sure none of you will look how I picture you in my head!

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

I fear there will never be one.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

It’s coming though. It is coming. Hold fast.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

What do you think it might be?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

No idea. But when it comes, it’ll be fast.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

The problem is I just don’t see how it could happen. Which doesn’t mean it won’t but I can’t imagine that it will.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

One simple reason – fear. Everything else has gone out the window.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

I think it was in Orwell’s 1984 that Winston Smith observed the old man he talked to in the pub was like an insect, in that he could only see little things close to him, he could not see the big picture looming up in front of him. I suspect most people are like that nowadays. Loss of broadband for ten minutes = hissy fit. Biggest loss of civil rights since Cromwell = you what, mate?

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

That scene in 1984 is rather odd. The old man actually provides answers to all Winston’s questions, but Winston doesn’t have enough intelligence to process the information. When it comes to criticising the old man’s narrowness of view, Winston is the pot calling the kettle black.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

You nerd 😉

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago

Check out this absolute nonsense from a local council regarding school attendance and negative test requirements.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I am now at the point where I no longer feel it is appropriate for these idiots to be supervising my kids all day. They have completely lost their shit. Our kids are now more intelligent and knowledgeable than their supposed educators – well mine are anyway.

Can we not just claim they are not of sound mind and be done with them?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

The time has come to vastly reduce the influence government, at whatever level, is allowed to interfere in our free society.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

The sense of relief that I feel now that we’ve pulled our calf out of school is enormous.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Well mine are at home at the moment – 1 is isolating, and the other just has no motivation to be at school. I’m fine with that. Whatever they want to do now to be honest. They do better working by themselves it seems anyway.
I’ll wait for the authorities to hassle me before I raise my head above the parapet now. They can stay here as long as they like.
You have no idea how different I sound from 8 months ago!!

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I believe that council is one which intends to teach six year olds how to masturbate.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

You know, I think you may be right. It’s not my local authority, but I do recall some horror stories.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Yes …. and I know some horror stories about the dangers of a seasonal virus.

… but I don’t believe what the media tells me.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

What the fuck ? Honestly ?

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Parents shocked as UK schools teach 6-10yo kids to touch their ‘private parts’ in beds & showers

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Wow. That’s actually despicable.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

It’s very creepy – especially as many kids will already have sussed that with no paedophilic adult assistance.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Aha, but they need to know The Rules so as to do it properly.

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Alan P
Alan P
4 years ago

Fraser Nelson article in the Spectator just now re: Sweden introducing rule of 8 at gatherings due to increase in hospital admissions exceeding 1st wave. Can’t see it backed by the graphs in the article myself. Anyone else who’s got access confirm?

first Belarus, now Sweden. Are they being leaned on heavily do you think?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

The Spectator is a waste of time

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

They went a little bit sceptical for a time but now seem to be back on Gov message again.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Yes. I had a month’s free trial and no way would I go on to pay for such fluffy rubbish.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Heavily probably doesn’t even come close to describing the pressure they’ll be under.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

They are listen to Fuellmich being interviewed by a Swede here. Long but riveting and of essential importance.

https://soundcloud.com/ulf-bittner/dr-reiner-fuellmich-about-crimes-against-humanity-and-corona-fraud-2020-10-20 from about a month ago with Swedish interviewer.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

The graph in the article shows nothing of the sort, for ICU admissions at least.

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Deaths likewise are way lower.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

No good fighting the rhetoric. Fight the lockdowns and the mindless restrictions.

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2 pence
2 pence
4 years ago

UK Column News – 16th November 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MTuA9-aqCs&ab_channel=UKColumn

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/can-boris-be-reinfected-with-covid-

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Is this a petition?

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

HaHa! Good one.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

At the very least, all politicians should be vaccinated and then challenged, aka confronted with the virus.
Ideally before the population starts to get vaccinated.
Let’s see first, whether they do better than the ferrets then.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

Best laugh I’ve had all day. Brought a genuine smile to my face.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

We’ve got to pray very hard that he doesn’t achieve a “positive test” or this will be taken as de facto evidence that reinfection is a Thing.

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Eddie
Eddie
4 years ago

Great news! Took a call from my father yesterday and I’ve been banned from visiting them for the time being. Apparently the MSM did a lot of scarey-scaring this weekend and my folks seem to be more scared than they were back in Mar/Apr.
The government knows best, stay home and hunker down – cold season is upon us!!!

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Emperor Creepy Joe said it may be a ‘Dark Winter’.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-pandemic-war-games-simulation-dark-winter/

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  G.Fawkes

Well let’s hope Sidney Powell releases the Kraken imminently.
Just seen this regarding Mark Malloch-Brown (the Brit with the links to Soros): https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1328165287594606592

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

He spelled Molloch wrong.

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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

That’s been my experience this time, people appear to be more scared than they were with the first Lockdown. I was in Morrisons the other day, the ONLY unmasked person, a garden centre today, the ONLY unmasked person.

Why aren’t people THINKING?

DavidC

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  DavidC

If anything I’ve noticed the opposite. I was up in London last Saturday and, at least in the suburbs, road traffic was pretty much at pre-Covid levels; in a local beauty spot near me in East Anglia yesterday there were lots of people out walking, I didn’t see anyone in masks and several were clearly not in ‘family groups.’

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  DavidC

All the other masks haters are staying away.
Morrison does click snd collect.
There are other garden centres.
The nappied morons were incapable of thinking to start with. It’s just become more noticeable now that their repulsive non-faces are so easily recognisable.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
4 years ago
Reply to  DavidC

Because they were sinners who didn’t worship hard enough at the covid altar the first time round.

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DThom
DThom
4 years ago
Reply to  DavidC

Same here
Even more idiots masked outside the supermarkets!

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

insurance – really boring ain’t it? maybe not:-

https://www.bighospitality.co.uk/Article/2020/11/16/Coronavirus-business-interruption-insurance-test-case-heads-to-Supreme-Court-FCA-Hiscox-RSA-QBE-High-Court-ruling-appeal

if the insurers lose the appeal and have to pay out, might they then turn their hostile attentions to the govt???

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

More likely, the treasury will shake the magical money tree once again and bail out the insurers.

Gasp! as the British taxpayer underwrites all risks and all incompetence.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

yes i think you could be right unfortunately…

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago

Need to go and rest and eat, will report more later, but come on peeps, follow my example and get out there.

Now’s the time – go and speak to people – do – if you want this to stop, right now is the critical moment. Don’t be shy, don’t delay, and don’t wait any longer.

Don’t waste you time on Lockdown Believers, but devote it to people who are worried – ask them what they think, don’t scare them further unless they are already aware of the plans, there’s a lot of opposition to vaccination so encourage that, and get them into activism as well.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

PROTESTS Saturday – 21st November:

Bedford – 3pm – Russell Park (weather permitting) (Free Nation)

Belfast – 12pm – City Hall – Savour Our Rights (SOR)

Bournemouth and Portsmouth – 1pm – Town Hall – Stand Up X (SUX)

Ipswich Town – 2pm – Market Square

Liverpool – 1pm – Bombed Out Church

Morecambe – 1pm – Meet at the Battery – Lancashire Action Group

Norwich – 1pm – Chapelfield Gardens (SUX)

Nottingham – 1pm – Market Square by the Lions #MidlandsFreedomGatherings

Sheffield – 12pm – Town Hall Peace Gardens (SUX)

York – 11am – St Sampsons Square (If no rain) (Free Nation)

All are subject to change.
Please check with individual organisers for more information.
(Individual organisers are in brackets.)

For latest updates please go to the Telegram group ‘Protest Everywhere.’
https://t.me/ProtestEverywhere

Please be safe and know what your rights are when attending events.
So please ensure that you are up to date with ever changing legislation and how that may personally affect you.

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Cotton
Cotton
4 years ago

What is happening in Sweden? Usual media bullshit or actual (awful) u-turn?

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Cotton

I wonder if Simon Dolan knows? I think Sweden’s been leaned on. Depressing

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Some additional restrictions, nothing like what we have here. Sad to see, but light years away from where we are.

I think they are being “leaned on” by their citizens and media, who are not magically immune to coronapanic. Why would they be?

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Wake me up when they actually impose an actual lockdown.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The media are leaning on behalf of their masters. The Covid Cabal is running the world. It doesn’t look good

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Agreed, but it will be presented in the UK by the Fake Media as a full national lockdown, an admission of failure.

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BJJ
BJJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Cotton

I would not be surprised if Tegnell resigned now. The idiots have launched a counter attack.

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Cotton
Cotton
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

I was just saying to my dad today about the force of character he must have to resist even so far. I also said it was so important they went through the whole winter without locking down – looks like as others say that they’ve been significantly leaned on.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Cotton

It isn’t Tegnell, it’s the politicians now taking matters into their own hands.

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Yes, I was reading on Twitter that Tegnell said the new measures were ‘a waste of time’.

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DickyBoy
DickyBoy
4 years ago

Stockdale’s Paradox:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockdale_paradox

James Stockdale was a POW 7 years:

When [he was] asked which prisoners didn’t make it out of Vietnam, Stockdale replied: Oh, that’s easy, the optimists. Oh, they were the ones who said, ‘We’re going to be out by Christmas.’ And Christmas would come, and Christmas would go. Then they’d say, ‘We’re going to be out by Easter.’ And Easter would come, and Easter would go. And then Thanksgiving, and then it would be Christmas again. And they died of a broken heart. This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.

Those of us who aren’t optimistic can draw some strength from this.

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  DickyBoy

Yes – although that 7 years looks pretty optimistic to me: maybe 7 generations!

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MutzNutz
MutzNutz
4 years ago

Anna Brees
So this grifter – sorry ‘Citizen Journalist’ is whinging about Facebook restricting her content and that she ‘doesn’t understand why’ She knows exactly why. There are ample examples of her giving enthusiastic coverage to 5G, Bill Gates, NWO, Jon Wedger and all that kind of bollocks as well as chasing David Icke & Piers Corbyn around Trafalgar Sq for an interview. She has also been the subject of unflattering coverage in Private Eye. She initially comes across as ‘oh so reasonable and objective’ she is neither.

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DickyBoy
DickyBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

She has also been the subject of unflattering coverage in Private Eye.

Whoever you’re ranting about, I like and admire them due to this fact alone.

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MutzNutz
MutzNutz
4 years ago
Reply to  DickyBoy

UK Column, Breibart etc fan I bet

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

What are you a fan of? Just to give us some perspective.

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MutzNutz
MutzNutz
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I am a fan of Lockdown Sceptics. Not the cranks who hitch themselves to the cause

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

What are your thoughts on the trolls that come here ?

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MutzNutz
MutzNutz
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Not enough of them 😉

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

So kind of a ve vill zennzor de views of ze peepul ve do not agree vis kind of type?

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

This thing encompasses far more than just lockdowns. Its global psyop on steroids..

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

No you’re not.

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MutzNutz
MutzNutz
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I am not what?

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

The guardian is that way 👉

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MutzNutz
MutzNutz
4 years ago
Reply to  KBuchanan

Just because I don’t go with the some of the crank narrative here, why do you assume I read or agree with anything in the Guardian (which I don’t read BTW)

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

That’s just the sort if lie a Guardian reader would come out when engaged in disruption duties.

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MutzNutz
MutzNutz
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Oh please. This childish ya boo response just confirms the extent of the silo/echo chamber this place has become and the sadly narrow minded attitude of too many here.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

Let’s hope so.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  DickyBoy

Yep, to be targeted by defender of the rich and powerful, Ian Hislop is a badge of honour.

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

Are you talking about Anna Brees? What do you have against her?

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

Wouldn’t be surprised if Ms Brees was controlled opposition. She couldn’t understand why people were criticising the World Economic Forum

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Bullshit.

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Are we talking about the same person? she has given many people a platform to voice their concern and distress about what is going on.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  watashi

Exactly. I’m not a fool. She was championing Dr Schoning (rightly so) but earlier in the year she was questioning why there were negative comments on WEF Great Reset sites. The replies to her were incredulous.

Lara Crab is suspicious of her too. James Melville is another. He spent six months opposing lockdowns then yesterday advised people to take the vaccine.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  James

How would you determine if someone was “controlled opposition”?

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

None of which is a good reason for her to be censored.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  MutzNutz

She has done a lot of work to promote various voices of all kinds dissenting from the narrative, probably at the risk of destroying her career

Whatever her motivations, I think she’s been more of a help than a hindrance

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago

Operation, 2020 edition…

Instructions:

  1. Place a AA battery into the board – the patient’s nose will light up
  2. Do nothing
  3. Wait for the bulb to go out
  4. Issue a death certificate with “Tested positive” and “no autopsy”

(I promise to stop doing these if they are annoying… 🙂 )
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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

I’m enjoying them, thank you

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Helen
Helen
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

Keep them coming!

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

Can I have a go?

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Hospitalisation rates feed directly into deaths data about 2 weeks down the track so we can see now that there isn’t a big death wave coming down the track because hospitalisations haven’t gone up.
Likewise positive tests haven’t gone up so hospitalisations aren’t going up much or the coming weeks.
The 2nd lockdown started on the 5th so we still shouldn’t expect to see any impact on hospitalisations until the back-end of this week. But we know it isn’t coming coz the infections aren’t there. The whole thing is a ponzi scheme.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

We don’t hear much about “doubling rates” anymore!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Indeed we don’t. And the fucking useless/evil media have not noticed.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Or the malevolent media have.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

We could be having lower than normal death rates and much of the media would neither notice nor report on it. It would be an ‘inverse death curve’ or something to get frightened about instead.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

We are, in fact, having lower than the median mortality (27-year baseline).

So – innumeracy or lying is winning the day.

Simple

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Or now retracted SAGE doommodelling…

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I am numblexic, can you get an exponential flat-line?

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

x^^0

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

sorry that means nothing to me

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Any value of x^0 = 1 hence a flat line ?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago

How does this all end was a question posed somewhere back down today’s list of posts? no real idea but as a step in the right direction; NHS England announced today that total Covid 19 patients in English NHS hospitals rose by 54, I think they can cope? overall in the last 7 days the total Covid 19 patients in English NHS hospitals rose by 18.6%. So yes a rise but it is a wet autumn in the UK that is what happens. If things carry on at this rate the total figure could double by the end of the year, it will keep the NHS busy but that is what it is there for and again, it should be able to cope.
How does it all end? still no idea but when the scary data becomes increasingly hard to find it will be a step in the right direction

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It seems cuddly Klaus Slob and his team at the WEF club are cooking up a few ideas as we speak.. a huge cyber attack taking down the worlds power grid and banking systems seems to fit the bill. Klaus is literally wetting himself in anticipation..

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

This.. https://youtu.be/tSuCuoQxI20

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Literally?
How do you know?

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andrew webb
andrew webb
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Read 1984

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

As Mr Hitchens points out, if governments will lockdown like this for a relatively harmless disease such as Covid, a vaccine won’t make any difference, because what happens when the next relatively harmless disease comes along? We will have to lockdown again.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Indeed, LDs “until there’s a vaccine” will be a standard response to every new virus.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

Saw the insufferable David Nabarro (a kind of Papal Legate to the UK appointed by WHO) do his usual schtick on the BBC News channel, being lobbed soft ball questions by the lobotomised BBC guy. It’s all about the betterment of humankind, you’ll be pleased to learn – that’s all he, and the scientists of the world are interested in…so not the mega tax-free salary, then David?

A minor observation – the clock on his wall bore the legend 4SD, a sustainable “initiative” forming part of Agenda 2030 – no doubt a freebie at one of the many international conferences he will have attended in his various WHO and UN roles.

He’s a close relative of Sir Gerald Nabarro, the fine upstanding MP of old,whom some of a certain age may recall and, to top it all (had not realised before) a Professor at Imperial College.

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

That guy is pure evil

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

It’s a mediaopoly. Banned 1998 short cartoon strikes many a chord in 2020:

https://youtu.be/nh6Hf5_ZYPI

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andrew webb
andrew webb
4 years ago

It’s getting bad now. Just been arrested for looking at David Icke’s website.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

i don’t look, it’s too scary

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

Being Canadian, I had no clue who he was pre-Covid but when I saw the interview he did on Brian Rose’s London Real just before Lockdown 1.0 he’s positively prescient. Maybe 5% of what he says is “out there” but the other 90% was spot on if you watch it now. Frankly, I couldn’t understand why he’s considered such a nutter based on that interview.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

It’s because…back in the old days in the 80’s he was a BBC TV sports presenter and before that a footballer. So he had quite a high public profile, then he left the bbc and worked for the green party and perhaps got in with the “wrong” people. Then he went to Peru or somewhere in the Amazon and took Ayahuasca, the strong hallucinogen. He went a bit “funny” after that and had a spiritual revaluation or two and started speaking out about what he saw as injustices and untruths and this went against the establishment’s grain. They got him on prime time BBC TV on the Wogan show when he in reality wasn’t psychologically stable and absolutely pilloried him. Wogan was terribly cruel and mocked him mercilessly. It literally destroyed his career overnight and the nation viewed him as a laughingstock.

That’s how it all started.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

We he did actually claim to be the Son of God. Well I guess he’s ticked the “mocked” box. If he could get us out of this mess, that would certainly qualify as a miracle.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

https://lawfulrebel.com/ep119-michael-o-bernicias-common-law-solution-to-tyranny/

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

Apparently he once declared himself to be the son of God. That was enough for most people to judge him. I’ve not looked into the validity of that statement to be honest.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

This was something he did say but obviously it was taken out of context. It stems from the psychedelic revaluations he thinks he received from a sort of spirit guide that said his reason to be on earth at this time was to save mankind.
Err sort of a reborn of The Gods kind of monent I guess, so him saying he was the son of God or the son of his spirit guide was sort of where he was coming from. I think anyway.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I heard him on one of his first post-Wogan speaking tours, about 1991 I think. It started off reasonably well about environmental stuff, but then descended into green-ink type ramblings about ‘channellings’ etc. When I watch his videos now, he seems an almost completely different person and I suspect he was really not in his right mind back then.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

No, Schizophrenia most likely, his obsession with coloured track suits, auras, it’s not surprising strong hallucinogens can easily trigger Schizophrenic breakdowns and he was still pretty young then too, so much more at risk of lasting psychological disturbance.

It’s not surprising, I have heard that Ayahuasca can be extremely strong.
.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

He’s been spot on for decades.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

By the Reptilian Support Group?

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew webb

?

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago

Received a boiler plate paper letter from Lucy Allan MP today, in response to my email prior to the lockdown vote. Had thought she was showing promise but she seems to have fallen into line now. Never mind. I’m sure she’s already looking forward to my next communication. And I am looking forward to composing it.

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JYC
JYC
4 years ago

Where was the Scottish table on the NRS dashboard? I couldn’t find it.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

LEAFLET
To the occupier. Good News.
Congratulations. Your home has been under remote surveillance and we are pleased to inform you that nobody living at this address need wear masks anywhere. If anyone challenges you in this regard, you should reply that you are exempt. No person has the right to ask you why you are exempt. You can check details of exemptions on the internet at https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/903454/Exemption_from_face_covering_card_to_print.pdf

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago

Very depressing article in Speccie today – looks like Sweden is under pressure from our unelected global rulers to change their strategy… https://www.spectatordotcodotuk/article/sweden-s-rule-of-eight-marks-a-change-of-strategy

A few weeks ago, Sweden was held up as pretty much the only country in the world to have responded to coronavirus using a voluntary system: advising, rather than instructing, the public. But this has changed today with Stefan Löfven, the Prime Minister, saying he will pass a law to introduce a ban on gatherings of eight people or more. ‘Do your duty. Do not go to the gym, do not go to the library, do not have parties. Do not come up with excuses that would make your activity OK,’ he said n a press conference. ‘It is your and my choices — every single day, every single hour, every single moment — that will now determine how we manage this.’

It then goes on to say:

But now, the second wave is striking Sweden hard. Fredrik Elgh, professor of virology at Umeå University, recently told SVT that Sweden is two weeks away from surpassing the first wave’s peak hospitalisations. This builds political pressure — which Tegnell has tended not to respond to.
Sweden has been tightening in stages. On 22 October it imposed a 50 person limit on public gatherings, with 300 on concerts and sporting events. Last week, the government proposed a 10 p.m. pub curfew. The week before, a rule of eight was imposed in restaurants. Anna Ekstrom, the education minister, has even said that ‘should it be needed, we will not hesitate to close the schools’ — in the first wave, Sweden kept schools open up to sixth form”

Doom and disaster is of course, not in the least bit evident from the WHO cases vs deaths chart for Sweden – in fact, the graphs show deaths trending downwards after a small spike at the start of Nov.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Who are these global rulers imposing lockdowns on every country?

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Scared and panicking, or just conformist, elites – academics, doctors, media types artists, managers, civil servants, etc. They aren’t the only scared panickers but they are the ones who can make their opinions felt in media and politics.

Panic is contagious, and so is conformism. Only “hard right extremists” and uncaring people who “put money ahead of lives” are resisting the panic measures, and who wants to be associated with those kinds of people?

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Boris Johnson in my country. You?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Have you watched that video I posted a link to earlier John P?

It explains very well who these global rulers are.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

They can switch back to “cases” now, they’ve been consistently headlining the superficially worst metric. Also “second wave”, ugh.

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Tegnell faced opposition in Spring, too.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Technically “covid” deaths in Sweden have had an uptick, but Euromomo still has their current death rate below the 5-year average.

The obvious question to the zealots is surely: if Sweden are in the midst of a dangerous pandemic, how can the death rate possibly be lower than the 5-year average, especially after rejecting lockdowns and face masks?

I would genuinely love to hear the logic of their answer.

Unfortunately the pressure is coming from the “case” numbers again. Does anybody know what the Swedish testing model is (ie. have tests increased, if PCR what is the number of cycles etc.)?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Yes – there is no sign whatsoever of unusually high mortality in Sweden : quite the reverse.

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago

Aren’t people like this the absolute worst?

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

Just have to hope the vaccine – that they will be pushing to the front of the queue to take – actually just kills them off!

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G.Fawkes
G.Fawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

The Karen is strong with this one.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

Michael O’Bernicia
@TheBernician
·
Nov 13

The time for protest is over. The time for nationwide totalitarian non-compliance and non-violent direct action is upon us.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Wasn’t he supposed to have arranged for MH to be arrested today?

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Hmmmm, yes he was wasn’t he.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Apparently Common Law summons was presented to Nicola Sturgeon today and lodged with the Edinburgh Sherrif. I’ve no idea about this stuff. And I’ve tried to grasp it.

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Latest from The Bernician on Facebook:

We chased the chief magistrates office all day today (Monday). We’re still waiting for a reply to two messages and an email, which we were hoping would come some time this evening.
That not being the case, we will continue chasing until we ascertain how far the warrant application has progressed. As soon as we have any news on the PCP, you’ll read it here first. Until then, remember that patience pays the greatest rewards.
Meanwhile, fourteen members of the People’s Union of Britain, who have witnessed the emails which have passed between PUB and the Chief Magistrates office, have pledged to execute witness statements to that effect.
These affidavits will form the basis of defamation and malicious falsehood complaints, against every fraudulent fop who made serious allegations they knew to be untrue, for their own material gain.

Make up your own mind – I am sure you will.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago

Can messer’s Johnson and Hancock permanently self isolate in perpetual retirement

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Adam

Or, a the risk of sounding like Miryam Margolyes (and looking increasingly like her as it goes) – they could just die.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Interesting. I was only suggesting this morning that, in order to circumvent the “agreement” to allow a vote on December 2, They would want to leave the country in a mixture of level 2 and 3 mockdowns.

From the DT live:
Conservative MPs have blasted the “grim” and “terrible” suggestion that lower tiers could be “strengthened” after national lockdown is lifted, with Boris Johnson on another collision course with his backbenchers.

…. Matt Hancock noted it was “too early” to say whether the UK would be able to leave lockdown on December 2.

…. Dr Susan Hopkins, chief medical adviser to NHS Test and Trace, went on to suggest those in areas with lower case rates could emerge from current restrictions to find themselves under harsher rules than before. …. “We see very little effect from Tier 1 and I think when we look at what tiers may be there in the future we will have to think about strengthening them in order to get us through the winter months until the vaccine is available for everyone.”

…. Matt Hancock might have hoped the good news about securing five million doses of a brand new vaccine would win people over – but he didn’t count on being overshadowed by the threat of “strengthened” tiers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/16/boris-johnson-self-isolating-brexit-trade-deal-latest-news/

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I literally have no words.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

Well no more than five anyway …

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

That means they will look at “strengthening” the bottom tiers to have more of an impact after the national lockdown, Dr Hopkins says.

Tier 3 for everyone then. ie full national mockdown continues.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

We already don’t have a None or a Low

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

No surprise there then,more time needed to destroy the small business and hospitality sectors obviously.
This is our permanent future if we,as a population,don’t stand up and stop it.
No more talking,no more peaceful protests,they are achieving very little and we don’t have the time to waste.
The government,the police,the political parties,they are all our enemies,they are laughing at us and our belief in democracy and free speech and decency.We need to fight them in the same way they are attacking us,we’ve got to stop worrying about holding on to the moral high ground,unfortunately we are going to have to lower ourselves to their level to be able to beat them.No speech,no matter by whom,is going to stop them,no court case,even in the extremely unlikely event of it being in our favour,will stop them.
I have tried all the usual ways to fight back for months now,writing to MPs,councils,large organisations you name it,I’ve spoken to people to encourage them to think for themselves and do their own research etc.,virtually none of this has made any difference at all.
I know I might upset some people with this post but it seems for every step forward we get sent 100 backwards,it feels that we are being allowed to dissipate our strength and fight in certain ways until we are as demoralised and submissive as everyone who is taken in by the propaganda.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Yep some of us small businesses are clinging on as long as we can. Hard to sell holidays when you can’t go anywhere though.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

God I think we all wish we could Sarigan. We all need something to look forward to.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
4 years ago

I posted yesterday YT footage of @Resistance GB being arrested for speaking at Speakers Corner:

Arrested

Later yesterday Sam of Subject Access YT channel live streamed from the South bank, no police stopping people from going about enjoying the Sunday afternoon:

Not Arrested

Free speech is no longer allowed.

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Absolutely, it’s nothing to do with crowds gathering, it’s all to do with intimidation and control. The Met police are particularly tyrannical and the officers on the whole seem to love the extra power.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Well they’ve been told they can’t be racist any more so they have to take it out on someone.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Is it possible to get one of those very fat dwarf PCSO’s as a Christmas present

Do John Lewis sell them?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Speakers Corner is taped off!

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago

Interesting video, not long before this type of information is banned. Establishment loves to treat us like children. They might as well officially rename the BBC as The Ministry of Propaganda.
Former Vice President at Pfizer, Dr. Michael Yeadon, who has over 32 years of experience in pharmaceutical research and development, has penned a letter to Matt Hancock, the UKs head of Health and Social Care, expressing his deep concerns over the experimental use of #COVID19 vaccines coming to market. In kind, Doctors are voicing their concerns about how little they know about the most anticipated vaccine in the modern era.
EX PFIZER VP CONCERNED ABOUT EXPERIMENTAL COVID VACCINE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rWGDYZnqR3kQ/

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Did you spot this?
BitChute needs your help! We have been deplatformed by service providers and we are in the process of moving providers. If you experience an issue this is likely the cause.

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I have a bad feeling that unless people support alternative platforms we will only have the option of a heavily censored YouTube. Funny how the ruling elites seem to like monopolies when it suits them for their propaganda purposes.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Yeadon keeps banging on that all positive tests are False Positive. This is very, very unlikely.

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DocRC
DocRC
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

evidence for your statement?

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

The recent positivity rate for ONS is about 1%. For government tests it’s higher because tests are more targeted.

If all these positive tests are false – Why were the ONS and government not getting anything like 1% during the summer?

The False Positive rate can’t just increase 20-fold or more for no reason.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Can you provide a link for the positivity values in the summer compared to now?

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The simplest way to show this is to go to the link below

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyuk13november2020

Then download the data (Excel spreadsheet)

The first table (1d) probably best demonstrates the point. For example

Jun 20- Jul 3 14 positives from 25359 tests (~0.06%)
Oct 24 – Nov 6 1858 positives from 154159 (1.2%)

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Presumably the fp rate can change pretty dramatically in response to changes in handling of the tests, such as massive ramping up of numbers, changes in outsourcing, staffing, etc.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Even if that were happening with government tests, it would not be the case with ONS tests which are recorded over a longer period.

The fact remains that ONS was only recording ~0.04% positive tests in the summer.

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Of course all the positives aren’t false. But where is your evidence that Yeadon is saying they are?

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Listen to him.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

The less virus there is circulating in the population the higher the false positive rate. And depending on the amplification cycles being used, you can get a positive PCR from a swab of a banana. At a minimum we can agree that the test is not fit-for-purpose and there are a huge number of false positives.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

The less virus there is circulating in the population the higher the false positive rate.

No. The FP rate depends on the specificity of the Test. It’s the percentage of negative cases that return a positive result.

And depending on the amplification cycles being used, you can get a positive PCR from a swab of a banana

ONS have been consistent. The FP rate can’t be more than 0.05% as that was the positivity rate during the summer.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

What number of cycles are the ONS using?

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Providing they are consistent what does it matter?

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Well you seem to claim expertise on ONS testing methodologies so surely a simple question…?

OK, let’s make it a theoretical question to start with then. Do you think that a test run on, say, 25 cycles will have the same FP rate as a test run on 45 cycles?

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Are they consistent? I can’t see anything about it in their blurb. A great long document about ‘methodology’ but nothing at all about the absolute core of what it is they’re supposed to be doing. They say:

We know the specificity of our test must be very close to 100% as the low number of positive tests in our study means that specificity would be very high even if all positives were false. For example, in the most recent six-week period (31 July to 10 September), 159 of the 208,730 total samples tested positive. Even if all these positives were false, specificity would still be 99.92%.
We know that the virus is still circulating, so it is extremely unlikely that all these positives are false.

How do these statements relate to the government’s research into false positives?

An attempt has been made to estimate the likely false-positive rate of national COVID-19 testing programmes by examining data from published external quality assessments (EQAs) for RT-PCR assays for other RNA viruses carried out between 2004-2019 [7]. Results of 43 EQAs were examined, giving a median false positive rate of 2.3% (interquartile range 0.8-4.0%).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf

As for the bold bit above: this seems like a circular argument. We don’t have many false positives because we know the virus is still circulating and we know that the the virus is still circulating because we are getting some positive tests.

Something doesn’t ring true here. The assertion is that the testing system’s false positive rate is indicated by its lowest ever incidence level, the inherent assumption being then that it has been consistent throughout.

If I dishonestly wanted to suggest a very low false positive rate, therefore, I would arrange a couple of weeks when it didn’t matter (the summer) where my positivity rate was almost zero. To do this I would lower the number of cycles (for example). And then I would subsequently ramp up the number of cycles when I wanted to suggest a ‘second wave’. I would avoid all mention of the number of cycles and any other detail about the core of my testing in all documentation because I would then have to reveal my sleight of hand or tell a lie. Instead I would go into great detail about everything else to make it look as though I took this really, really seriously and hope that no one asked any awkward questions about numbers of cycles and so on.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Haven’t watched dispatches tonight but the plug was that they were to show some undercover reports on the chaos in labs. We have no idea how that uptick in capacity has impacted quality. False positives could well be sky high as a result

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Not for ONS.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

ONS just take the numbers reported to them.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Explain what you mean. Where do you think the ONS might be going wrong? And, of course, where France, Italy, Germany , Spain and Sweden are also going wrong.

Remember Sweden were supposed to be ahead of the pack in the race for herd immunity. In recent days Sweden has recorded some pretty big case numbers.

The Covid symptom study which is totally independent of govt or ONS also recorded a rapid rise (now falling) beginning in late September.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

I do start to loose the will to live with all this rate data, when I look at the NHS dashboard it says there have been 33 million pillar 1 & 2 tests of which 1.4 million have been positive and yet with all that, in NHS England Hospitals there are currently 12,000 Covid 19 patients in hospital. To my simplistic mind it all starts to look as though much of this is like the old discussions about how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin.
The main point is;
‘ain’t nothing shaking but the leaves on the tree’
These are not the statistics of an emergency demanding dodgy Statutory Instruments made under a Public Health Order that was never designed for this purpose. To my mind these are the statistics that suggest we are now at the stage when we should rescind all legislation and move all this on to a more normal Public Health approach.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The bottom line:

Throughout the summer the ONS (forget the government tests) were consistently recording 0.03%-0.05% positive cases. This has gradually risen over the past 3 months.

In the most recent fortnight (to Nov 6th) the positivity rate was 1.2%

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

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Matt Hancock has refused to rule out making a coronavirus vaccine mandatory, suggesting ministers could make it a requirement if initial take-up is lower than expected. 
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…. asked whether those without underlying conditions could be forced to take the vaccine in the future, he said: “I’ve learnt not to rule things out during this pandemic because we have to watch what happens and you have to make judgments accordingly.”
His comments come amid growing concern in Government over the dissemination of anti-vaccination material online.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/16/matt-hancock-refuses-rule-making-covid-19-vaccine-mandatory/

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Remove that offensive image now!!!

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I know Toby believes in free expression, but … I don’t know … I think posting these sort of indecent images is maybe going a little too far.

Even with it’s face half covered the image is still nauseating.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I have just killed a kitten.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

One less covid vector at least

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Steeve
Steeve
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I second that!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Sums it up, doesn’t it?!

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

There. Fixed it for you.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Nice mask – shame about the (half a) face!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

That’s so much better. Thanks!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

If you hover your cursor over it, the label is “the right honourable Matt Hancock.”

Even his jpeg label is a lie!

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Sorry, that was me. I always use his full appellation as a piss take.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

I like a bit of irony with my piss takes.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

lovely

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Eddie
Eddie
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I was just gonna say it too!
He looks at his worst with that awful NHS mask on. Somebody black out the whole thing!!

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I hate that man. Would contemplate doing a life sentence….

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

I thought I was

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

They do this because they know the sheeple… well this last word says it all!

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

He really is utter scum.

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

‘anti vaccination material’ – i.e. anyone who doesn’t much fancy taking a rushed-through vaccination pushed through by utter bellends who saw nothing wrong with locking people up and by so doing ruining their civil liberties, livelihoods and mental health.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

Del Bigtree should make him the next vaxhole of the week after Moron.

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Miss Owl
Miss Owl
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I understand he is way out in front in the voting for ‘political c*** of the year’ on the isac*** website (parental advisory. Obviously, lol).

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Steeve
Steeve
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Do the right thing Cheezilla!

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Virtue signaling piece of vermin. Part human , part rat.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

Not chatty rat, surely not

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

Where’s the human bit?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

You too Voz.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago

Breaking – Govt have now purchased 5m doses of the Moderna vaccine. That’s 355 million doses of vaccine they’ve ordered. WTAF?

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Enough to do everyone five times.

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Where are the millions demanding this vaccine? How much is this costing? Is it safe? Why are they so desperate that we take it? Utterly utterly sick of this shit show. Just think what else they could’ve done with the money that they have casually spunked during this lunacy.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I think it’s called panic buying. But it’s our money

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Are the police suffering from some kind of group psychiatric disorder?

One moment they are catatonic to the point where even a polite ‘good morning’ doesn’t arouse a response

The next moment they are screaming incoherent banshees attacking passive people with batons

What happened to the calm and collected British Bobby who took everything in their stride

Today you only see them in groups of ten or more, and then they are kitted up like they are about to dropped behind enemy lines

Indoctrinated and incapable of independent thought

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

It does make you wonder what’s happened to them doesn’t it.

Maybe they’ve been undergoing some independent brainwashing.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Common Purpose! See here: https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-16th-november-2020

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Politicisation under the Blair government is the main reason, I think. They were one of the last of the institutions to be taken over. The Stephen Lawrence case was used as the justification.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

People do not understand the significance of the Stephen Lawrence enquiry.The police were unfairly tarred with the accusation of institutional racism.due to one operational decision on whether to arrest the suspects,based on hearsay evidence or wait for more solid evidence.
The government then purged the Police of old fashioned police officers and cowed the rest.
They then promoted political correct officers such as Cressida Dick.The knife crime epidemic in London is a result of this.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Indeed Jonathan. I was naive back then and didn’t realise what that apparently neutral phrase “institutional racism” which appeared to have a grain of truth but maybe just a bit overstated really meant as a trojan horse for wokery to rampage through coppering. I’m wiser now but it’s too late.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Having worked in the criminal justice system, I think that since PACE regulations, (another 1984 Act) they have felt their natural tendencies constrained. Now they have a bit of power against totally harmless non-criminal people and are letting rip.
And I sincerely apologise to the many – but sadly not majority – of really good police officers I have encountered during my career.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Dress them up like the army and they start acting like stormtroopers

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago

Re. Sweden. Not quite how the MSM have been reporting it.

https://twitter.com/kynohy/status/1328350108774264832

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

“Sweden. Not quite how the MSM have been reporting it.“

Could have written that comment, legitimately, almost every single day since early April.

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DocRC
DocRC
4 years ago

Earlier today, a man who does Health Secretary impersonations told a radio interviewer that Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-based Medicine at Oxford University, was an “outlier”. In an interview earlier in the same radio programme, Prof Heneghan had presented several important pieces of evidence; the projected figures presented by The Prime Minister’s advisors at a press conference to justify lockdown 2.0 were false, the NHS bed and ICU occupancy figures show that the health service is not being overwhelmed and the numbers are normal for the time of year; and although there were some excess deaths over the 5 year average, 90% of these are in the home (which he linked to the NHS being less accessible).

I am not entirely sure what The Health Secretary means by “outlier.” Is it that Prof Heneghan didn’t go to Eton, or that he has a northern accent, or that he didn’t study PPE at Exeter College Oxford (he has a Medical degree from New College, Oxford) or that in the evidence-free zone between Mr Hancock’s ears Prof Heneghan inconveniently disagrees with the deranged statistics of Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson?

I know who I believe!

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Old Mum
Old Mum
4 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

I heard it – couldn’t believe JHB didn’t pick him up on that – maybe she was speechless!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Mum

Or maybe she just let him dig his own grave – oh god there I go again wishing his life away

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Mum

They’re mates apparently.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Heneghan is northern working class. So am I. I was also at Oxford. Agree with your post completely DocRC.

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DocRC
DocRC
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

That makes 3 of us!

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

I saw the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration — renowned scientists from Stanford, Harvard and Oxford — referred to as “fringe” scientists. In what universe??? Oh yeah, the Covid universe.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Fabulous post, thank you!

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Tommy Hutchinson
Tommy Hutchinson
4 years ago

There are no infectious, contagious diseases. Germ theory is deadly myth!

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago

A fascinating post by DickyBoy refers to “Stockdale’s Paradox” and the danger of false optimism: https://dailysceptic.org/2020/11/16/latest-news-195/#comment-250183

So with that in mind, I’ll get this off my chest:

The tide is not turning.

Even if the tide was turning, it wouldn’t matter.

The most interesting aspect of the obviously stolen election in the US, is how little effort has been made to conceal the fact. The perpetrators know that there is simply nothing their opponents can do about it.

People respond to incentives. About 5% of the population are being financially vaporised. The rest couldn’t give a shit.

I’m in the conspiracy camp, but regardless of where you sit, budding global technocrats and envirofascists are running absolutely rampant. Lovers of freedom everywhere are being given a bloody good hiding, and there is no sign of abatement or respite.

I just spoke with two neighbours – successful business people – bemoaning the current business climate. They were having none of it, pinning everything on “the vaccine”. An experimental vaccine – barely more effective than a placebo – for a trivial disease.

These people think the vaccine is the end of this. I’m worried it’s just the beginning.

The outlook for the West is absolutely grim. I’ve just been for a run. I’ve done my meditation. I’m making slow progress on some new product development. I feel strong today.

But intellectually, today is a low point. Our situation is dire.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

Have to say, I agree with you. It is difficult being alive at the moment. I am a person who has contemplated what it has been like for people in war torn parts of the world – especially Syria, I listened to loads of reports about that and thought what it would be like for ordinary educated people to be plunged into the abyss. In my riverside village, two Syrian refugees died by drowning in June. I imagined their back story – gave up their jobs, paid shitloads of money to thieves to get a chance to get over here to “safety” – locked down in a flat in west London and then – hey – a bit of freedom – they swim in the river too near the weir and they drown. So sad. But we too are now on the brink.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

I agree, I don’t think I will be around much longer. Not in this world.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

DRW, you are saying this so often. I can’t imagine what you are going through at the moment and it is no surprise that you feel at the very end of your tether. Please speak to someone (in addition to us) if you aren’t already doing so. Start with Samaritans, if you don’t have other obvious options.

Please forgive me for being a mother hen, but sometimes we all need a bit of help to get by. Maybe you assume it won’t help, but you don’t know unless you give it a chance.

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BJJ
BJJ
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

It is not about optimism. It is about attitude. Listen to this great British philosopher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-7xyd5_IfY

This is not about who will win. We always win. It is about accepting that what we are experiencing is really happening. And I must break it to you. It is happening. Ok, so we have to fight. That´s all. As the above mentioned philospher says: “Use the difficulty”.

We are now around about the year 1700, Montesquieu´s manuscript The Spirit of the Law is being hidden away and only printed anonymously 5 years before his death. John Locke is publishing his essays on Tolerance.
Friends, this is a constant struggle. We are not the Wokists, we never give up, we realise freedom is a constant struggle.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

Absolutely right.
And, for the umpteenth time, MOANING AND GRIZZLING ‘I DESPAIR’ IS PLAYING RIGHT INTO THE ENEMY’S HANDS.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Annie – I love you!

So right!

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Your reply made me smile, Annie, because when I was a little girl many moons ago, and whinging about something, she used to say, “I should have called you Mona Griselda because you’re always moaning and grizzling.” It used to shut me up instantly! 🙂

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Bella
Bella
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Absolutely!!!!!

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

I often think of it like that. Truth is what needs a reset. Not some government sealed version of it. It won’t be easy. It’ll take very prominent players in this to be brought into the open and shown for what they are. We are a long way from the kind of mass protests we need to see. I have a feeling in this past month that some big parts of the narrative have been pushed further into the mainstream and their weakness being unveiled.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Bear in mind the most important part of Stockdale’s message:

“You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.”

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Wrong time to give up now. The resistance is growing!

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

It’s interesting that at the end of a article I read today the author writes this –

‘People, e.g. LockdownSceptics readers, will no doubt react to this asinine activity by grieving about the never ending machinations (that are reliably reported on daily, without any solution offered, to maintain the sense of dread, and to motivate parting with the coin to no good end), and the ever new escalation of intolerable encroachment upon freedoms (which have long since been eroded, but this never registers); the complaining is of course aimed at those who institute the measures. However, what this overlooks is that the suffering of the abuse is entirely voluntary; in fact, the willingness of the British to volunteer into lockdown – helped to it enormously by their choice of media – is why there is no let up.’

Maybe we are too sceptical?

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/11/the-pfizer-vaccines-meaningless-90-effectiveness-and-the-circus-surrounding-it/

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

I disagree. This financial system, which ha been in place with modifications . is finished. Those who profited from that system are trying to preserve their power and privilege.

They won’t succeed.The very fact that they are having to get ever more authoritarian shows us that the game is up. Their myths are disintegrating.

Look at the government deficits in the developed world sustained only by money printing. We are heading for hyperinflation, which will sweep away the old order.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

We just need to wait for the January 2021 meeting…
The SRF & Billionaires WANT to reshape Their Planet. And They are doing just that. If a billion or more sheeple needs to be culled, then CULL AWAY!

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

It’s WW3. The whole world is under attack, but no one knows who the enemy is.

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Lili
Lili
4 years ago
Reply to  James

We know who the enemy is.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  James

I know who THEY are…

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

Some progressive countries offer assisted suicide on demand for medical reasons, including mental health reasons. I would take it. The suffering is immense. The loss of autonomy. The feeling of one’s life being owned like a slave by an entitity (WEF, Pharma?). A close friend is suicidal. Life has been stolen.

It’s unbelievable that people, including children have killed themselves because of lockdown.

To see people endorsing lockdown makes me sick to my stomach. Never knew there was so much inhumanity and fascism. The police have become brownshirts. The human race disappoints and disgusts me.

But I’d like to see justice. To see all the politicians and the journalists responsible for lockdowns and restrictions in court for crimes against humanity. I don’t think it will happen sadly.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  James

OK, now I’m just channelling Annie. But, we are all here too. We too are members of the human race. I, to speak just for myself, am very much human and very much sane. I really exist. So do you. We are the resistance; there’s no getting rid of us.

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago

https://www.independent.ie/news/potatoes-thrown-and-customer-offering-money-in-mouth-shop-workers-feel-force-of-covid-19-anger-39754929.html

TLDR Retail workers in Northern Ireland experience abuse at the hands of some customers, which they put down to COVID19 frustration. These experiences include having a potato thrown at them and a customer insisting that money be taken from their mouth!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

This makes no sense.

“Every shift during Covid-19 feels like the run up to Christmas in terms of how busy it has been and the sheer amount of so-called self-isolating customers ignoring government advice/rules to buy non-essential items appears to be a bit of a running joke.”

Self-isolating customers surely stay at home?
Doesn’t online shopping mean shops are quieter?

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

The whole article doesn’t make sense. How does a conversation arise whereby a customer admits that they should actually be self isolating and even if it does surely this isn’t a common thing like the article implies.

The potato/ money in the mouth and customer walking around threatening to punch people clearly points to mental health. I would argue the sort of behaviour you might see when you lock vulnerable people indoors for the best part of 8 months.

Gutter journalism.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

Is throwing a potato the Irish version of Iraqis throwing shoes at people they disapprove of ?

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago

Tumbling so called ‘positive cases’ in Student areas

Students seem to have gotten cleverer and given up with testing…..unless there is another explanation. New Cases by Specimen date.

Fallowfield Central (Hub of Manchester Students)

30/09/2020 = 821 Cases
04/11/2020 = 46 Cases
11/11/2020 = 25 Cases!

Durham City (Durham Uni)

14/10/2020 = 1023 Cases
04/11/2020 = 53 Cases
11/11/2020 = 38 Cases!

OK. Good result. They have now used up a lot of credibility and goodwill with these tests having gone through students and ruined the experience for many, so apart from compulsory testing in Care Homes and Hospitals I wonder if another group could be the next target? People need to stop getting tested.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

The HERD wants to get “TESTED”. It is what they are programmed to do. “TESTS”.

Since birth… The entire existence of modern slaves revolves around “TESTS”. This is for 99% just another one.

And besides the large majority has huge levels of irresponsibility in regard to their own Organisms that they simple obey what the scoundrel with a white piece of cloth tells them.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

I need to correct myself!

Even before birth we are addicted to TEST… and not since “birth”!

How many tests are done to an unborn animal?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

The next target is of course all of us via the moonsh*t regime.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

My daughter won’t come home from university for the holidays because she would have to submit to 3 Covid tests over a 2-week quarantine period upon return to her university’s province. She broke quarantine when she arrived at her apartment in town back in August (she’s a chip off the old block) but couldn’t escape the Covid tests. I would have never sent her back to residence, but we started paying for an off-campus apartment and she does have the odd in-person lecture. She’s in Canada and yet can’t come home, which makes me very angry. So I don’t know about the UK, but some students are being forced to get tested, as is the case with my daughter. On the other hand, my idiot niece at a different university town voluntarily gets tested every 2 weeks “just to be safe” — and that after telling me she thinks she had it back in February. She’s a political science major, which says it all.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

What force is being used? Forgive me for being obtuse here, but I want to be clear. When you say your daughter is being forced to submit to what is an invasive medical procedure, what is the nature of the force being applied?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

White Cloth Myths and, above all, personal irresponsibility!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

Tell her to forget university! It won’t matter if she has a degree or not.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

I do not get this, “just to be safe”. Who is she protecting? Herself? If you are not ill, what’s the problem? You cannot pass something on you haven’t got.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

And no one’s asking what cases are. Our lives are being literally destroyed for ‘cases’.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  James

“cases” are FUN!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Freshers Flu.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
4 years ago

Dear Lockdown

This Is How Great Reset Will End Western Democracies
Mahyar Tousi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk2W7rOFatg

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

He doesn’t sound very confident when he said “We believe in Britain, and we’re here to defend it” or some rubbish like that.

And that’s where I stopped watching…

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Build Back Better is such a third rate slogan.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago

I’m surprised that there hasn’t been a hatchet job done on LS yet. Do you think the media are scared of people coming here and finding some truths?

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Poppy
Poppy
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

The Guardian did a hatchet job a while back (months ago now) but nothing really since.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Do you mean something like this:

The ‘lockdown sceptics’ want a culture war, with experts as the enemy

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I’ve seen far more intelligence and common sense here on LS than I’ve seen from most so-called experts. We here seem to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, by which I mean consider the psychological costs of lockdown, the economic devastation, lives lost to other illnesses, etc. vs. an all-consuming, singular focus on Covid and nothing else.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Try linking to this site and see what happens. At best you might get called a conspiracy nut.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago

So latest reply from MP re the vaccine goes like this:-
“Thank you for your email. 

I warmly (though cautiously) welcome the news that a vaccination is on the horizon, but I do recognise that this may be no silver bullet out of this crisis. 
As far as I am aware, there remains no intention of making vaccinations compulsory and there is currently no legislative facility or framework to allow them to do so. This was most recently confirmed by Matt Hancock in an interview on the 10th November.
The government’s own guidance remains that “[individuals] must be given enough information to enable them to make a decision before they can give consent.”
Very best wishes”

She didn’t really answer any of my other questions, but I didn’t expect this much of a response really.

I want to send a reply, and what I have written so far is below. But what other questions could I raise – bearing in mind this woman is apparently a barrister, so she must be fully au fait with the idea that a mandatory vaccine not being counted out, has to imply that our laws would need to be significantly changed :-

“I do not doubt that a vaccine will not be directly or honestly mandated – when has this government ever done anything honest?  But there is every reason to expect that it will be forced by coercion – ie not being able to work or take part in society in any meaningful way, unless you can prove your vaccine uptake.

Why would Ticketmaster have suggested that they would require evidence of such, if they hadn’t been primed by someone?  They have backed down – for the time being, but it will resurface.

Why does a BA flight information pack suggest that a vaccine certificate should be carried?”

Any ideas? Didn’t someone say, in the last few days, that anyone who doesn’t have the vaccine should stay at home, or not be allowed into their place of work? Did someone mention camps or something like that (Feotida Dick maybe)?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

tom tuggen-hat and dom rabh said some pretty terrible things

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Mr CGL told me – I can’t bring myself to watch anything like that – said they are purest evil – how can the rest of the populace not see this?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Also, the law means sod all anymore – as we’ve seen they can just change it overnight on the grounds of an “unprecedented emergency”.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

The misuse of the law for nefarious ends is probably intoxicating at first to those in power – but it works both ways. One step too far (eg, proposing a pet cull, or something perceived to be harmful to children or which affects benefit or pension payments) and public opinion could turn, the way starlings suddenly turn in flight.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

This is an encouraging way of expressing this idea, which I too hope is right.

I’m very keen on starlings – a large flock visits my garden every day for dried mealworms – but my, they are jumpy. Flighty, in fact.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

They don’t seem to mind masking their kids though, even though there is plenty of evidence to suggest that it may harm them, and not a lot to suggest any gain.
I thought that might do it, but it didn’t.

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I’m new to the BTL forum but felt compelled to respond to your post. You may have seen this but, if not, be very afraid…

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/

This information was requested by a Parliamentary Committee and the ‘expert’ advice is clearly to give the green light to the principle of compulsory vaccination.

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Bella
Bella
4 years ago
Reply to  Dodderydude

Will people please stop writing ‘be very afraid.’ There is no earthly point in ramping up fear, particularly when a lot of it is speculation. It is simply an argument from four academics with doctorates (not necessarily medics) about whether compulsory vaccination will contravene ECHR. There would be massive opposition. There is enough people on this forum saying they are more depressed than ever and it’s becoming a platform for completely unnecessary scaremongering and it is feeding negativity.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Thanks Bella. Steadying words!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago

I guess WWW and SMARTPHONES are really awesome!

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

What are you using? A computer… maybe running linux – to avoid being like all those moron slaves?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

I’m using a piece of rope and a plastic cup!

I use linux for many years… it just works better.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago

Cool Main Headline on the Daily Telegraph Website…not sure how long it will last.

‘Not fit for Purpose’ -PMs self isolation shows rules must change.

‘Scientists and MPs are calling for urgent changes to Britain’s isolation rules, saying the confinement of Boris Johnson demonstrates the folly of the UK’s testing regime.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

LOL – It has already been downgraded to minor second place…first headline now reads ‘Covid Lockdown Looms over Xmas’. Bollocks to that. I’m ordering a Turkey for 12.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

I almost hope they do. As someone said a good bit below, and a friend said to me earlier today, people will just ignore it and the government’s authority will be terminally undermined.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Agreed. They should do it.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Yet one of the chief peculiarities of the self-isolation rules is that people must remain at home for 14 days even if they test negative.

My son had to get tested because a work colleague tested positive. Son’s test was negative and the instructions were that he could return to work immediately.
So what’s going on here??!

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I don’t understand this. How can anyone be compelled to submit to an invasive medical procedure? I can see that pressure might be applied, but if you just stay out of the employer’s premises for a fortnight or nine days or whatever, surely that satisfies any legitimate demand. Or have I missed the descent into total fascism?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

The staff were ordered to leave the premises immediately and get tested. This was the boss covering his own back and avoiding massive fines.

I think those who test positive get some paltry form of financial compensation, maybe £75 per week?
If you just self-isolate, you go penniless for two weeks.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

‘Ordered.’ Staff can be ordered off the premises. Is there any legal authority, contractual or otherwise, by which one can be ordered to submit to an invasive medical procedure? I take the point that one might be made to suffer a loss of income.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Schools do the same in some cases. The truth is the official line is isolate for 14 days as you may be asymptomatic for a few days and then begin your viral murder spree a few days after your negative test.

Of course this is just a nonsense. Because to be infectious you’d need to have virus picked up at low CTs. And they want us to think asymptomatics spread as well (high CTs). And yet they can be tested as negative. The whole doublethink around PCR screening is just incredible. A child could see it doesn’t make sense

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

Ch4 Dispatches
“These are very sensitive tests we’re using. It is very easy to get false positives”. (From cross contamination)

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Zak Thelotofem
Zak Thelotofem
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Unbelievable (though not really). They may as well send them to the local children’s nursery to get processed.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Zak Thelotofem

Worth watching – this is the type of stuff which resonates with Joe Dickhead Public

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mjr
mjr
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

except Joe Public is watching “I’m a celebrity…” on ITV

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Zak Thelotofem

Lol! “This one’s green!”

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Wow. That’s all I can say right now about the lab practices demonstrated.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I’d that the new rapid tests? The ones that found even fewer positive cases than the PCR tests…?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

They are chucking them all in trays together. The only ones getting priority are the private VIP ones – Emirates, elite sport etc. Some tests are staying in boxes for 24+ hrs before even being unpacked.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Mike Yeardon called this two months or more ago. While in perfect conditions the FPR is between 0.8 and 4 percent. In the testing industry we’ve built up overnight? Could be almost all positives have to be considered FPs

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Dr Sebastian Rushworth wrote a very good article on the PCR testing.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

Check out today’s UKColumn

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago

Your Vaccination Pass must be displayed on your person, around your neck or sewn on your clothing and visible to the authorities at all times.

The cost of issue will be modest, not much more than the TV licence.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

There will be exemptions – for persons who can show they have been invited to attend a meeting the World Economic Forum at Davos in the last five years.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago

My god. If you don’t subscribe to the telegraph don’t worry, it’ll spare your blood pressure.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/11/16/businesses-must-join-fight-against-anti-vaxxers/

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

“A Covid vaccine bonus would cost companies much less than another lockdown – and they could sack staff who refuse to be inoculated”.

I have no words.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

I do. And it involves lawyers, should this come to pass.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Tribunals bought and paid for – remember the lady sacked for expressing non-woke views on transgenderism?

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

In practice, it’s legally improbable, as you imply. I’m more distressed at the sentiment of author and editors. This is what passes for mainstream now.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

Crimes against Humanity

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

I guess if this was/is good to solve the Oligarchy unbalance…
comment image
… it must also work to solve that problem!

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

It’s a disgrace from someone who should know better (Matthew Lynn). There is also an article from Mrs Piers Morgan (Celia Walden) that is equally disgraceful. Comments switched off. Complaints on the live blog about it.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

I read that too but don’t really care what she has to say about this. Not worth engaging with.

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Lockdown sceptics would be better off simply not funding mainstream media propaganda outlets. They act against our interests so what is the point in giving these people a living to enslave us?

I cancelled my Telegraph subscription due to the general scaremongering and Celia Walden articles. I now just give money to the independent media outlets who support the anti lockdown cause.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Yeah, I have no idea why people pay for the guardian et al. They do not represent us.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

The Grad is free, it isn’t cluttered with jumping adverts and you don’t have to dodge a load of fake boobs thrust in your face.
Unfortunately, there’s nothing else good about it.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

From what I gather it’s always begging for money to keep printing. I presume people are donating and I personally have no idea why.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

get your point about adverts etc I just can’t stand the woke narrative.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Yes. I won’t be renewing mine. I only subscribed to the DT so I could follow Toby’s links. The Spectator didn’t even pass the free trial!

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Lili
Lili
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

That’s what I do.Our TV license money that we no longer pay goes to Triggernometry, Mahyar Tousi and The Free Speech Union.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Matthew Lynn (author), a pro-vaxxer of the worst kind. He’s talking total codswallop, and he’s an award-winning wanker.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I’ve boycotted the Telegraph since it went Covidmental in March.
Saw a couple of encouraging headlines a week or so ago and considered subscribing. Not now, not ever if they can print tripe like this.

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Bella
Bella
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

The problem is: I don’t think ‘the plan’ is for us to get back to normal. The agenda is the ‘great reset’. Whether it ever happens is another matter, but ‘they’ can’t surely see the vaccine as a panacea because ‘they’ don’t want a panacea.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella

The vaccine is the key to the immunity/digital passport.You will need this to travel,work go to pubs,restaurants etc.That is why there is such joy in newsrooms at the announcement of the vaccine.
Once we are all tracked and traced then they can move onto the next stage of the plan.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

It feels like they want to brand us like cattle.

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Sylvie
Sylvie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

I wonder about this idea that effectively you’d be forced to have a covid vaccination to be allowed to travel abroad. Consider for example the current advice for travel to Laos. You should:

‘Confirm (in other words, make sure yourself that) primary courses and boosters are up to date as recommended for life in Britain – including for example, seasonal flu vaccine (if indicated), MMR, vaccines required for occupational risk of exposure, lifestyle risks and underlying medical conditions.
Courses or boosters usually advised: Diphtheria; Hepatitis A; Tetanus.
Other vaccines to consider: Hepatitis B; Rabies; Typhoid.
Selectively advised vaccines – only for those individuals at highest risk: Cholera; Japanese Encephalitis.
No yellow fever vaccination certificate required for this country.’
So, as others here have said, there’s only a few countries worldwide where you need an actual yellow fever certificate. Laos isn’t one of them. For Lao, all the rest is advice, a.k.a. ‘guidance’.
For malaria, which you can’t vaccinate against, you are advised to take anti malarial pills beforehand only if visiting certain areas.
So why would a country require compulsory CV19 vaccination if flu certificates aren’t mandatory, when it’s demonstrably less deadly?

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Nsklent
Nsklent
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I cant believe I have just read this dystopian trash and his reference to, it just needs ‘a tweak’ to the law. That is what our law system has now become, thanks to our useless, criminally inert parliament – something that can just be tweaked with no scrutiny or debate. Has this author never heard of the Nuremberg Code or have ant concept why this code was devised. I guess he wore his poppy for a bit of virtue signalling.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

Michael O’Bernicia
Nov 15
Truth is immutable whether we believe it or not but lies depend on us believing them.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Is this guy a bit of a bullshitter?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Find out for yourself. I’ve tried to unpick his stuff and I agree on his knowledge of banks and their ability to foreclose on homes via use of common law. The idea is that a contract is only valid if it follows a set of fundamental and simple laws.

But the peoples arrest of the MPs? From what I read it seems like they are doing this as part of a peoples court. I don’t know. I get lost when he speaks of his support from very respected lawyers, it’s sounds legit. But then I’m back to the Peoples Court tokenism of it.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

There’s still a lot of Common Law around but the courts will just throw it out if it doesn’t sit well with the modern world.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Maybe he has someone who can argue the point of law from a common law basis. It seems to rest on the opening gambit of tbe Court establishing authority over a sovereign individual from its base statutes. Drawing out the Admiralty aspect of the laws under which they want you to stand. I can see how that would work if they are trying to enforce a contract over you etc.

But how you can achieve this on the level of arrest of MPs I have no clue.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

So was it true that Wancock was being arrested? Maybe that was the name they had on the warrant, so they couldn’t do it.

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Lili
Lili
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Apparently the paperwork was issued today for his arrest. I don’t see it happening.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

https://twitter.com/righttospeak3/status/1327364050137788417

This guy says RT will report it. I’ve no idea. He seems. Pretty chuffed. The Peoples Union of Britain

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

Is nothing sacred?
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/cathedrals-to-open-their-doors-as-covid-19-vaccination-centres

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

….while vaccine heretics are burnt at the stake in the local market square.

The Archbishop commented: “The Church has always sought to move with the times whilst honouring its long history. We think we have achieved the perfect balance between ancient and modern.”

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

This is what they said in July:

“We’re just praying for God to have mercy on Blackburn with Darwen at this time. Prayer works. We believe that God is listening to us.

They’ve now given up on God, apparently.

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

NHS worship replaced religion for most people. Most churches might as well close for alternative use, religious figures have been completely useless, I suspect they have received some government bribe for property maintenance or other promises to keep them onside.

I have met many ordinary Christians at anti lockdown events but never seen a single priest take a stance other than to preach about taking the vaccine and obey the government.

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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Some at the Christian institute and Christian concern are taking a stand but Christians of all people really need to be more vocal about something as deceitful and unjust as this.

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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Appalling! This is the latest thing in the divide, labelling anyone with genuine concerns as a nut case. It is truly awful to see how degenerate our nation has become, some people actually believe 4000 a day could die. The church as a whole seems complicit in the whole thing, it’s awful.

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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

Today’s update mentions Angel Baptist Church – Brave Boys in Blue Break Up Baptism. That’s the true church, resisting tyranny.

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Recusant
Recusant
4 years ago
Reply to  Alice

They should be doing something essential, like click and collecting from John Lewis, not doing pointless stuff like saving their immortal souls. The Covid vaccine ain’t going to pay for itself, you know.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Darwinism in action… Sigh.

Arnie.

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ColoradoGirl
ColoradoGirl
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Appalling.

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
4 years ago

In case anybody has not yet seen this downfall parody – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4bzwNH7XnM&feature=emb_logo

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

Thanks, I needed a good laugh!

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

Hancock is full of himself again, isn’t he?

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janis pennance
janis pennance
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Isn’t he just a complete twat ?

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FenTyger
FenTyger
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Full of something.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

Ch4 Dispatches
Ferguson still sends models to the govt apparently. On the box now.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Isn’t there something called “fraud in kind” where you get a load of money through misrepresentation of the facts?

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Wouldn’t trust him to model balloons

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

2020 – The War on the People. The Globalists’ “Operation Barbarossa”.

Globalists simply can’t live with the idea of populism, the refusal of the masses to be directed by an elite.

I hope populists like Farage have learnt the lesson from Orban. It’s not good enough to win free and fair elections against them. You have to dismantle their structures of influence. After 4 years Trump still has an FBI that won’t lift a finger to investigate any allegation of election fraud by Democrats.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I hope Trump is not dependent on the FBI. But I do think we have evidence here of where Trump went wrong. As Bannon seemed to understand, there was one chance to redefine institutional America, and the West. Trump was just too moderate, tried to be too consensual. He’s being punished for that now.

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

“we have evidence here of where Trump went wrong…” well he got more votes than any incumbent before him, yet [supposedly] lost to a guy who struggled to come up with any clear-cut policies in the last 9 months, apart from – pledging to open up the southern border during an international pandemic, and offer tens of millions of illegals undocumented Democrats a path to citizenship, healthcare, legal representation; to be paid for essentially by working class Americans currently struggling to feed themselves. Apparently that was the winning strategy. 🙂

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  String

Yeah, the steal is blatant. Even taken at face value the result raises questions, and the failure of the meedja to ask those questions is notable in itself. Key question: where did all those new voters come from?

Are we really expected to believe that Creepy Joe galvanised first time voters who had stayed at home for Obama? Well no, supposedly Biden’s wave came from ex-Republicans, which covers (cough, fits with) the large number of split votes. But as Trump did clearly attract a vast number of voters, for that to hold up you have to believe Trump galvanised large numbers of first time voters – who had not bothered to vote for him in 2016. Yeah, me neither.

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OKUKbe
OKUKbe
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I think you’re right. Sloppy Steve called it right. Trump’s always looking to do deal. Sometimes you can’t do a deal. He also has that businessman’s idea of putting a “good guy” in a top post knowing they will do a “good job”, thinking that’s a solution. It’s not in a bureaucracy. Totally different sorts of dynamics apply.

I saw an amazing interview with Bannon about two weeks before the election. He predicted:

– The opinion polls giving Biden a 10 point lead were totally (and deliberately) wrong. He was right.

– The vote would be much closer but the Democrats would move to steal the election, by fraudulent practices in key states. He was right.

– Trump would need to be adamantine in refusing to accept the fraudulent result but he would be on the back foot because the media would pile in to support Biden’s fake win. He would need to mobilise all his forces while putting together his legal challenge.
The Democrats would unleash violence to support Biden. He was right.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUKbe

I wasn’t aware of that interview. Clearly spot on.

I hope Trump can pull this off, and that he moves afterwards to validate the deepest terrors of his enemies, starting with anti-trust action against big tech.

Can he do it? The alternative is a definitively post-democratic future, so I hope so.

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Zak Thelotofem
Zak Thelotofem
4 years ago

So, with our wonderful, flawless, nothing could possibly go wrong Covid tests (massively more than any other country in Europe), we also have the most number of ‘Covid Deaths’. One for Columbo I think.

Last edited 4 years ago by Zak Thelotofem
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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Zak Thelotofem

Just one more thing . . . .

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago

Last one of the evening (mainly because it requires no work)

“Socially Distanced Twister”

A game for one player.

The board looks like this…
comment image

Last edited 4 years ago by captainbeefheart-2.0
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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

Banzai or kamikaze ?🇯🇵

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

Genius!

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

PMSL! Great one Captain, gonna show the kids in the morning. My little one plays ‘mask zombies’ at school…

Arnie.

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

Wonderful! Thanks for the belly laugh. They don’t come so easily these days…

Last edited 4 years ago by DomW
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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago

Probably been asked before but why do all police officers now wear masks outside? It’s very intimidating.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

That’s why!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

When wearing masks started to be talked about I asked a traffic cop whether he/they had a view on masking while driving.
He said very neutrally

“We don’t wear them “.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

So they become empty vessels, cowardly autonomous goons

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

They’re probably sick of people complaining:

“I nearly had another stroke earlier as I walked into Asda. Outside was a Police Office (unit number #284BF) who was NOT wearing a mask!

The Police should be setting an example. I am forced to walk to the shop because I daren’t get in a taxi and there are hardly any buses. I have not got a clue how to use online shopping.

That officer might have killed me. I am going to get a test done tomorrow and If I die within the next 28 days, I have recommend that my lawyers proceed to charge the officer with manslaughter.

I expect much better from the British Police.”

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

To hide their faces

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jim j
jim j
4 years ago

Sorry if it’s been asked before –
Remember about a month ago there was a study from Denmark on whether masks worked which seemed to be being suppressed?
What happened to it in the end?!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  jim j

Three major medical journals refused to publish it, including The Lancet, but I believe it was printed in a normal Danish daily paper.

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago
Reply to  jim j

It still hasn’t seen the light of day AFAIK. No idea what’s going on behind the scenes.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  jim j

No progress that I’m aware of. I’m afraid that even if it did get published and the results are as we suspect, it would be completely swept under the carpet. One lone study could not be allowed to overturn the now near religious belief in the benefit of masks.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  jim j

This is a much better one that PROVES that even under a military quarantine masks do not work, as well as all the other rubbish.

SARS-CoV-2 Transmission among Marine Recruits during Quarantine
11 November 2020

Do enjoy the reading!

Last edited 4 years ago by voza0db
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jim j
jim j
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

That is extraordinary, thank you.
Why is this not hands down NPIs Do Not Work?! I only wish this virus had more balls and had gone through the whole world already, it’s taking forever!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  jim j

The FUN part is that there is nothing new happening… They always use pneumonia for make belief pandemics for a good reason!

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  jim j

Perhaps it has, since these pointless PCR tests pick up bits of dead stuff. Lots of healthy people ”with” it obviously – but isn’t that what herd immunity would be?

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  jim j

For whatever it’s worth, here’s the description of the study. It’s called DANMASK-19, and the associated clinical trial has the code NCT04337541.

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Ian
Ian
4 years ago

I’m feeling pretty low tonight. I had thought it was looking better, their figures had been proved to be crap and even mainstream papers questioning the egregious use of data. But the pressure has been ramped up. Heneghan dismissed, vaccine welcomed, alternative perspectives derided. I thought I had detected that the public had finally seen through it. But I’m in despair now. I keep thinking about everything we’ve lost, too much to mention, but the govt keep piling it on. There is no mainstream narrative building against it, even
Sweden seems to have been cobbled. I have never felt so impotent, angry and frankly ill as I do now.

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian

Reasons to be cheerful:

  • Boris has gone into hiding
  • High profile government advisors have resigned
  • The more hysterical the government wants to make people, the clearly more rattled they are.
  • They have no choice but to do this because the alternative is for them to be spending a long time in prison
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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

let’s just get straight to the long time in prison bit shall we?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

That’s a nice dream… But that scoundrel MUST remain in office until the next G7 gather where he must transmit the ORDERS he received from Bill Gates and Friends (other Billionaires and the SRF).

If he can’t handle the pressure then Bill Gates will have to return to DS10 again to transmit the ORDERS to the new jester in office.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Seems a bit old fashioned transmitting ORDERS in person. What’s wrong with unhackable encrypted both ends communication?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

They do not care about fashions… Just efficacy and efficiency.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Your English isn’t very good.

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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  captainbeefheart

I feel like lockdown scepticism is still placed in the “conspiracy theory” category by most. This enables it to be dismissed without having to have any arguments or examine the evidence. However there are now several high profile sceptics, including some who supported the first lockdown. I think Lawrence Fox is working on a proper launch of his party, which I hope will be strongly pro-freedom and anti-lockdown. I think there are some signs of hope.

I was pleased to see that even the Guardian has run some stories about the effect of lockdown on the vulnerable, (including a story with OFSTED evidence of how some children have significantly regressed).
The penny hasn’t dropped that lockdowns are an insane waste of life, but hopefully there are signs that people are realising the scale of what has happened.
I am still depressed most days though.

Last edited 4 years ago by james007
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Lili
Lili
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian

Remember that it’s always darkest just before dawn. Keep the faith.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Lili

It does just seem to keep getting darker though, he’s not wrong.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

It might still only be late evening…

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I try not to get too pessimistic on here because of the people such as yourself, and others who are having such a tough time.
It’s not easy for any of us, but it is always true that there is someone who is suffering more.
I am not a natural optimist – but when I see your posts, I have to try to say something that I hope might help in some way.
Please ignore this one DRW – it wasn’t for you.

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Ossettian
Ossettian
4 years ago
Reply to  Lili

But it isn’t: it’s quite light just before dawn, as I observed when I walked my dog this morning.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Lili

Indeed. But I do think this is going to be a tougher fight than ever I expected.

It’s become clearer and clearer by the weeks that this is all wrapped up in a much, much bigger battle. As Delingpole says, it’s not a conspiracy if they tell you what they are planning.

The big battle is populism v elite-controlled politics.

We need to migrate en masse from Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems to whatever is an effective populist vehicle. As things stand that is likely to be the Reform Party (note: the pro-globalist Electoral Commission is deliberately dragging its heels on a simple name change).

I predict if the Reform Party puts together a freedom platform – We will end the lockdown, give you back your pubs, let you meet your family, let you decide about a vaccine, let you decide what car you buy, defend free speech – they will rapidly climb to a lead in the polls.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Totally agree OKUK.
Arnie.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

The First Past the Post system is an impediment to smaller parties but in a situation where a populist party can get to 30% , then all bets are off. If it was a concentrated vote, that could deliver a thumping parliamentary majority.

The new factor now I think is GPD – General Political Disillusionment.

We’ve been put through Hell in such a careless fashion by our political elite that as soon as the virus is “over” (like the war in 1945) there will be a real hunger for change – real change for the better.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Yeah, you are right. Populism is kryptonite to this scum, it’s what they fear most. That’s if they let us vote again, without using tactics like we have just seen in the US.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Exactly. Wholesale electoral fraud is more difficult in the UK bug they might try ploys like deregistering parties a couple of months before a General Election on spurious grounds.

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Nsklent
Nsklent
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Trouble is, I have a negative gut feeling about Farage. I must admit I have my prejudices after the way the Brexit party recruitment was handled and the ‘surrender’, as I see it at the end, a very similar format to UKIP. Reading his comments in the DT today, his attitude to lockdown, vaccine, virus facts is very much on the narrative. For someone who espoused the tenets of freedom and sovereignty as the purpose of Brexit, he seems very luke warm on those in this current situation. I was once an avid Farage fan, but this just smacks of the same format as the Brexit campaign, and I now don’t trust him, particularly as he is relatively on board with the current barrative.
I remember the time I went off Boris, years ago, but proved to be right. It was when he was editing the Spectator, and he called those opposing the invasion of Iraq as ‘Saddamites’. Ended my subscription that day, never to be renewed and my view of him then has now been proven.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Absolutely! Trouble is – will this bunch ever ”allow” a proper election to take place? If they do, they’ll have to use Dominion software (you know – the stuff they’re using now to produce the ”infection cases”).

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Lili

This is true. I feel it gets darker given how pathetic the politicians seem to be. Even the so called sceptics. The sceptic analysts are just angry now. The see the importance of strong protest now. The data is in. They know its a hoodwink.

However, if any sceptic politician had a similar attitude they’d join a protest. David Kurten was at the London one over tne weekend, but Desmond Swayne surely must feel in his bones that he must make a move to the streets now. Parliament rolls back and forth between sceptical speeches from some to eerie quiet.

It needs to go up a level soon. Its building but if we could get something like the Portuguese Court decision in tbe UK it would be a massive boost.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I still can’t get over the hypocrisy of our MP, who voted FOR this lockdown, then immediately joined the ”rebels”!

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Bella
Bella
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian

It is looking better. More people are out on the streets in more countries, the official data is now so obviously bogus. As someone said here yesterday has anyone heard of asymptomatic flu, or asymptomatic pneumonia? If you’re not ill, you haven’t got it. And in Liverpool where they are going mental with their testing only 004% have been positive, and most of them will be false. They can’t keep the bulshit going for much longer. And now there are at least 70 (mostly) Tory MPs against further lockdowns. Where I live no-one’s taking any notice anyway. Went for a walk in a popular forest last Friday, scores of people, cars and dogs. Never saw a soul out in May/June..

Last edited 4 years ago by Bella
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Ossettian
Ossettian
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella

“Never saw a soul out in May/June.”

Same here, but met lots of people this afdternoon.

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Sylvie
Sylvie
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6518513/#:~:text=Among%20respiratory%20viruses%2C%20the%20role,infection%20%5B15%2C%2016%5D.
Actually some 75% of people found to test positive for flu have no symptoms. The real question, as with CV19, is whether they’re infectious to others. Probably not.

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Ianric
Ianric
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella

If people have to resort to telling healthy asymptomatic people they are carrying Covid, doesn’t this reek of desperation as there are very few people actually sick with Covid symptoms and this falls under you wouldn’t need to resort to this in a real pandemic category.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella

I went to the local NT property last week (before my membership runs out, not to be renewed until they change their agenda). Far more cars than usual, even at weekends, and a young man said that people were driving in individually and joining up for a walk. I’m glad that people are finding a way around silly rules, even in a minor way. It’s a start.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian

Be strong. The narrative is breaking down. Eg, if they are trying to pretend that Boris has been re-infected, then that means ‘the vaccine’ is no good. There seem to be a lot of internal problems in number ten. If, as is being predicted by some, a Brexit betrayal takes place, that is going to make the government even less popular.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian

There continues to be a rising number of doctors officially speaking up

Ireland Recovery Group have launched their white paper.

https://covidrecovery.ie/

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian

Protesting Danes stopped their fascist politicians from implementing a proposed vaccine law. The politicians who proposed it should be sacked in my opinion, but it’s still a victory.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian

I am feeling the same today. Hearing Handjob getting away with clear lies (first on talk radio and then in the “briefing”) has depressed me thoroughly. He has become more brazen recently and will now actually commit to calling people like Heneghan a liar.

The only silver lining in this shit-show is that I can take comfort in having passed the test confirming that I cannot be corrupted. You can torture as much as you like but I will never pretend to believe something that I know to be a lie. And I am never taking your dubious, unnecessary, untested, extortionate experimental vaccine. Go fuck yourselves.

The only way I can see out of this is the hope that someone will cockup. It will happen. Just a stray unauthorized question from a meeja taking head in the conference today would have done it. “So Mr Hancock, given that you have detected 700 cases in Liverpool and you have just told us that the new test is so accurate that only 500 of them will be false positives, doesn’t that mean that approximately ¾ of cases are false positives”. If this ever ends I will be devoting every spare effort into making sure that these criminals pay a heavy price for their crimes against humanity.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian

The more hysterical Hancock becomes, the more obvious his lies, the sooner he will be exposed.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54937713
Working from home could lead to more prejudice, report warns
What a load of utter bollocks from our national broadcaster. You would think getting all those ‘racist’ white people to work from home would be a good thing aswell.

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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Sometimes the BBC looks more like a student publication rather than a serious news organisation.

Working from home does have some consequences. I started a new job last week and insisted on working in the office, as I have a children at home and I would get nothing done. I am sitting alone in an office which must have a hundred or so empty desks on my floor. It is so hard to get to know people, or ask for help. No spontaneous chats in the kitchen or people passing the desk to say hello.
I’m sceptical that there would be any productivity improvement overall from working from home.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  James007

There isn’t, I do the absolute bare minimum working from home. It doesn’t help though that I have absolutely no means of a social outlet at the moment. Saturdays feel no different to a Monday.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

That’s exactly the problem I have. Same four walls day in day out. No travel to client sites. I could just as easily be retired and the only difference would be that I wouldn’t have any work shit around me and I would have my personal space back.

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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

I completely understand that about the days feeling the same. I had absolutely no idea how simple things – like being able to go to a concert or go to dinner with a friend were so important to me.

The innane emails from HR, posters and announcements about “hands, face and space” and “keeping safe” like I am a child don’t lift the spirits.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  James007

Mine has now sunk completely

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago

The controlled media keeps on talking up the mandatory vaccine (no doubt they enjoying their part in Boris Johnsons ‘war’ effort as propagandists). I suspect it is just more fear mongering to make people feel powerless and submissive. Why consume their products, we know they are used against us? Don’t let them wear us down.

If their vaccine is so wonderful why are they doing this –

UK EXPECTS ‘HIGH VOLUME’ OF COVID VACCINE ADVERSE REACTIONS
The UK is preparing for a mass Covid vaccination campaign, anticipating the injection of millions of citizens with the experimental vaccine. As the date approaches to launch this unprecedented measure, the UK’s top health body, the MHRA, makes a shocking, urgent request which begs the question: ‘Is the Covid Vaccine safe?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SVv28Aga5M4C/

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago

31 minutes of pure unadulterated clarity and optimism:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=RPd5l2ekdu4

If you’re having a crap day or feeling browse beaten by all the small minded nonsense please have a look.
10/10

Arnie.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

We will win.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

This one is really doing the rounds – I’ve watched the last 10 uplifting minutes as recommended by someone earlier I think. Thanks Arnie.

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James
James
4 years ago

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  James

It’s not a conspiracy theory if they’re telling you.

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Yep. like in the US, Pelosi saying some time ago “whatever the count is” Biden is the next Pres!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  String

And Biden said the Dems were running the biggest voting fraud ever in America. 🙂

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Got to be one of the most disturbing photos ever.

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Nic
Nic
4 years ago

I was in Halifax today , it was pretty busy considering most of the shops were shut , but the market was open and people were buying g their meat veg etc.
So people are s lot less fearful now . The government now this and have ramped up the scare tactics via Hancock today.
But there is light at the end of the tunnel boris is scared and has gone in to hiding the inner circle have gone in to melt down, and many Tory Mps are against continuing the lockdown.
It’s up to us to continue with passive resistance . Continue to meet up with friends , visit relatives etc get out and about . But most of all remain positive they will crack eventually.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Nic

It makes no difference. If every politician is replaced, the orders to lockdown and to impose restrictions will keep coming from the same source. Every country is under occupation.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Ben Bradshaw on lockdown 2. “Too little too late”

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

Cheezilla
1 hour ago

On the Richie Allen show today Dr Vernon Coleman read from a Moderna White Paper that freely admitted that their vaccine will change your DNA. Check it out.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Thanks I will!

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

listening to that now

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Emm, wonder if that will shaft the police with their DNA raping?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Good comment BTL in the mail:

Think you’ll find people are not anti-vaccine per se. Our puppet government, fronted by its ‘butcher’s dog’, may have shot itself in the paw. Its lockdown agenda has allowed people more than adequate time to research its contradictory conduct throughout and many have simply decided not to risk any vaccine marketed via such an outfit. Nothing to stop you taking it though Squigzo – have mine as well if you want!

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Looks like Boris may make it illegal to say the vaccine is dangerous. Well, I don’t hear people saying it’s dangerous without any evidence but I do hear a lot of people saying it’s safe….. without the evidence.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

If it’s safe, then there’s no need for indemnity for the manufacturers.

They can’t have it both ways.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  James

But it can be made illegal to point that out.

The country is truly fucked, and Boris is enjoying it.

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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

“Illegal to say that…”

Terrifying words. It may be illegal to have a contrary opinion and to speak it.
BTW, what is the definition of an “anti-vaxer”? I think that vaccinations should be on the basis of informed concent. Does that make me an “anti-vaxer”?

The worst Prime Minister we have ever had. FACT!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

On Newsnight there was a bogus academic who told the viewers the newlu announced vaccines (that have never been properly tested), were both “very safe” and “quite safe”. I was just waiting for her say “almost safe” .

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Mostly safe

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Nsklent
Nsklent
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I would say to these people, so would you drive a car where the breaks are deemed as quite or sort of functioning, or would you then be anti-car.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

Hancock pictured with schwab. Tweeted by hancock celebrating closer working with WEF

https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/956851034797891584?s=20

Ps what a fucking joke. LS now with adverts say “protect the NHS wear a mask” picture of two collaborators in black masks Tamboola. Suggest not bright or clever to be advertising such a product – LS going to be advertising Moderna Vaccine next? Have some moral fibre.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

The ads are generated by big tech algorithms, it’s not Toby’s fault.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Yeha the adds are nothing to do with LS

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

AdBlock gets rid of ’em, and lots of other annoyances as well.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Just click on one or two to earn Toby some pennies. It doesn’t cost you anything.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

“It doesn’t cost you anything.” Yet.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Preprint regarding the testing approach in elite sport, NBA. PCR used but second tests after two days. on + players indicate whether the viral load is increasing or decreasing.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20217042v1

While it might seem to support such approaches in tightly controlled environments, it demonstrates that its simply not possible to use double testing on mass populations. Again. Mass screening is impossible

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Mike Yeardon looking to run a lateral flow mass test on a couple of villages to prove their is no second wave given Liverpools 90,000 threw up 0.5%

https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1328113211632209922

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I like Yeardon. He’s said lots of good stuff that makes a lot of sense. But to say there is no second wave from the lateral flow test results when you have a detected infection rate of 0.5% seems odd to me.

Over a month in a city of 500,000 that could amount to 10,000…Across the country that could be 140,000 people. And remember because the testing is voluntary it will include a higher proporion of “worried well” while a lot of people who feel unwell but have no personal transport are going to stay under the duvet rather than brave the elements to get tested.

My view, based on Henneghan and others is that there is a second wave and it’s a seasonal wave but with areas that escaped a real pasting first time round getting a bad run now (eg Liverpool) whereas parts that were struck badly I the Spring like London seem less affected now

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Or maybe none of this of matters and we should have our civil liberties and lives back

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Well quite! If these liberties we had can be do easily taken from us they are not liberties.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

They were not taken, we lent them.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I think he distinguishes between a “second wave” and a seasonal increase for a now endemic seasonal virus.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

As predicted here 6 months ago.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

CEBM has taken apart the notion of a general ‘second wave’ for viral infections. Heneghan is certainly no advocate of the idea.

What is visible in mortality figures is a totally unexceptional, gentle rise, consonant with what happens every year at this time. It’s not a ‘wave’ in any terms but a fevered imagination. Even in the bent PCR terms, SARS-CoV-2 is a small part of that mortality – not a driver.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Not happening in the SW which had it easy first time around too.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

CEBM has taken apart the notion of a general ‘second wave’ for viral infections. Heneghan is certainly no advocate of the idea.

What is visible in mortality figures is a totally unexceptional, gentle rise, consonant with what happens every year at this time. It’s not a ‘wave’ in any terms but a fevered imagination. Even in the bent PCR terms, SARS-CoV-2 is a small prt of that mortality – not a driver.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

India having their third wave already apparently despite their mortality bring insignificant given the total population.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Sorry – bit pedantic I know – no R in Yeadon.

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OKUKbe
OKUKbe
4 years ago

NEWSNIGHT REVIEW

Tim Harford enjoying a soft ball interview from Oor Kirsty. A Wark in the park you might call it. None of that “interrupting every third word” she reserves for Tory MPs and anyone to the right of Angela Eagle.

Harford (FT) is a globalist par excellence but he’s not very honest about it. For most of the pandemic he has been posing as an objective and disinterested observer looking at the facts and figures.

But now he’s finally come out as being on board the Big Bus. His latest lie fest on Radio 4 is called uncompromisingly:

“How to Vaccinate the World”.

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andrew
andrew
4 years ago

Hancock is a twat. Good night.

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John K
John K
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew

You forgot the operative word MASSIVE just after ‘a’ and before ‘twat’

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peter
peter
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew

My dad just cannot fathom why he still has a pulse.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  andrew

Seconded. Good morning

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Profound
Profound
4 years ago

Regarding the moderna test. How did they confirm the positive results. If it was via PCR, why weren’t more than 5 tests out of 15000 positive given the PCR false positive rate?
Would appreciate thoughts.

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John P
John P
4 years ago

I don’t know if this has already been posted here, but it is really shocking.

There was some footage of a man being manhandled and arrested by police a couple of days ago. In particular it was posted on Peter Hitchens’ twitter feed. Although shocked, he declined to pass judgment as he didn’t know the reason for the arrest.

On the link below you can see what happened before the man was arrested. His companion, a woman, stopped to ask the police why they were apparently arresting a man outside a pub. The woman then realised that she was going to receive similar treatment so began to walk away with the man who was later manhandled.

Despite her protestations the masked-up militia followed them and would not leave them alone. I think it’s possibly one of the worst things I’ve seen – really appalling. The link below shows the footage made by his companion before the arrest:

https://twitter.com/UtdJXK/status/1327986090070974469

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Chicot
Chicot
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

I think they arrested them because the woman made the mistake of mentioning the protest. That tipped them off that they were probably on their way there. Obviously no excuse but this sort of thing is happening all over the country now. Today’s UKColumn had a story about a 19 year-old girl arrested and held for 24 hours for speaking at a protest.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Disgusting.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

1. When putting the chap down imagine how much worse the police might have behaved had they not known they were on camera.

2. The woman is retreating yet the police repeatedly approach yelling ‘two metres’ when it is clearly themselves invading her space.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

AMERICASTASIDE

The antidote to the BBC’s so called “podcast”, really an exercise in Goebbles-style strict censorship and Big Lies…

1. Don’t know if they’ve broken cover but so far from all I’ve seen the BBC and their media mates are simply pretending Trump’s legal team haven’t filed any evidence of fraud with the courts , despite there being hundreds of pages of sworn affadavits from witnesses that have been submitted. The lying BBC seem to be doing whatever lying CNN do.

2. Liar Sopel is also hiding the evidence on his twitter account.

3. The key will be I think whether the Trump Team can prove malpractice by the Democrat controlled Dominion-Smartmatics vote-counting system. I think the malpractice is there…but can they prove it?

4. Never underestimate Trump and his team, They are currently directing your attention to the courts but this election could be put right in the Republican controlled legislatures within the swing states.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

“Never underestimate Trump and his team”

Impossible to do!

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BobT
BobT
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

 “The key will be I think whether the Trump Team can prove malpractice by the Democrat controlled Dominion-Smartmatics vote-counting system. I think the malpractice is there…but can they prove it?” 
These vote counting systems are the same as last time so how come Hilary did not win then?
“this election could be put right in the Republican controlled legislatures within the swing states”.
I think that you are suggesting here that the states could put forward electors to the electoral college who would vote against the popular vote in their states against the will of the people. If this were to happen democracy in the US is finished and it would become no more than a Banana Republic.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

Creating vaccines that are 90%+ effective seems a little too easy to me.

Whilst some may look at it as a miracle I would tend to err more on the side of it not actually being necessary. It won’t surprise me in the slightest if more vaccine candidates subsequently come out with equally high efficacy claims.

It’s not exactly a miracle if everyone and their dog can do them.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Especially if one of the conditions is: “It is essential that all mutations of the virus from now on are prevented. This includes animal species that could host a mutated version of the virus that could jump to humans. These must be exterminated until there are none left on the Earth. Forever.”

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Horatio Hornblower
Horatio Hornblower
4 years ago

Switzerland has stopped reporting their deaths by age group in the last week. I wonder why……

The last time when such data was available on 12th November there had been a grand total of 7 deaths reported in the 40-49 year age group. A total of 14 people had died under the age of 50. Total ‘Covid’ deaths currently number 3158. As of last week more than 97% of deaths were in persons sixty years-old or older!

…….This information cannot be allowed to get out to the general public.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

Local Live
Quiet day for covid news, 12 items about cases rising and spreading, numerous school classes self isolating.

Deaths ? Just the one elderly person in hospital with ‘underlying conditions’ which is somewhat low for the time of year.

Yesterday’s lead item was about a 24 year old murder
Still Not Solved.

Last edited 4 years ago by karenovirus
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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

👸🥜🥜 ❓

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/spencermorgan93/status/1328450549302366214?s=20

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ArjayD
ArjayD
4 years ago

Labour calls for anti vaxx censorship . . .

“But if your aim is to reassure those people that the vaccine is safe and effective, with minimal side effects, censoring anti-vaxxers won’t help. On the contrary, they will conclude that their concerns are well-founded. After all, if they were easily rebutted, why not engage with the anti-vaxxers in the public square? If the pro-vaxxers are relying on censoring their opponents to win the argument, that will make the fence-sitters more nervous, not less.”

I couldn’t agree more 👏👏👏

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PowerCorrupts
PowerCorrupts
4 years ago

In response to the government’s mass vaccination plan the MRHA has issued an extremely urgent tender for a covid19 vaccine Adverse Reactions AI system which states their current system will not be able to handle the volume of adverse and unforeseen reactions they expect, quote (emphases added):

‘It is not possible to retrofit the MHRA’s legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine. Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively. This will hinder its ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health.’

Safety testing is thus going to be done via observation of the mass vaccinated population. The government has removed liability from vaccine producers and administrators by emergency legislation. The government’s maximum payout for injury is £120K. Government ministers, advisers, media and big tech state experimental vaccines are safe and risk-free, not consistent with the MRHA’s expectations.

https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago

https://mobile.twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1328666061848375317

Breaking news: lateral flow tests in Liverpool show 80% fewer cases than PCR.

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HarryJ
HarryJ
4 years ago

So, some NHS workers have formed a gorup to oppose a probably perfectly safe vaccine, where were they when we needed them to oppose a demonstratably utterly unsafe lockdown? There’s plenty of us who are pro-vaxx and anti-lockdown, I can understand that also some people may have concerns about this vaccine AND oppose lockdown, but I can’t see how one could worry about the vaccine but not oppose lockdown. We needed those workers’ help fighting off the attacks on our basic liberties, supposedly made for the NHS’s sake, why do they only unite now to quibble about something so, comparatively, petty as a vaccine?

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Bob
Bob
4 years ago

Now it takes Courts to decide what is has already been settled by science? Even the inventeorof the PCR test said this.

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Mr_Mayhem
Mr_Mayhem
4 years ago

This Portuguese court ruling against PCR testing would get much wider publication across the alt-conservative landscape if you can link to a PDF of the court ruling in question, even if it’s in Portuguese. Even better with a full English translation. Without citing the document showing the ruling, the rest of us think it’s echo-chamber material and are reluctant to amplify it. Link to the PDF please…

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Neil
Neil
4 years ago

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/17/covid19-evidence-of-global-fraud/

As thousands (more) declared from the start of this debacle, SARS COV-2 is a computer generated fiction, from the WHO.

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BERNHARD DOBOVICNIK,
BERNHARD DOBOVICNIK,
4 years ago

am a retired Canadian primary care/ER physician and have spent considerable effort to gather accurate info on this “pandemic” and recently signed “The Great Barrington Declaration”.
There is a serious lack of scientific rigor from one end of this debacle/catastrophe to the other.
The C19 “pandemic” could not have been declared,had the WHO not altered their definition of the term in 2009.
:From their own website:
Bulletin of the World Health Organization

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The elusive definition of pandemic influenzaPeter Doshi aa. Program in History, Anthropology, Science, Technology and Society, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 77 Massachusetts Avenue (E51-070), Cambridge, MA, 02138, United States of America.
Correspondence to Peter Doshi (e-mail: pdoshi@post.harvard.edu).
(Submitted: 13 January 2011 – Revised version received: 30 March 2011 – Accepted: 31 March 2011.)
Bulletin of the World Health Organization 2011;89:532-538. doi: 10.2471/BLT.11.086173
IntroductionIn 2009, governments throughout the world mounted large and costly responses to the H1N1 influenza outbreak. These efforts were largely justified on the premise that H1N1 influenza and seasonal influenza required different management, a premise reinforced by the decision on the part of the World Health Organization (WHO) to label the H1N1 influenza outbreak a “pandemic”. However, the outbreak had far less serious consequences than experts had predicted, a fact that led many to wonder if the public health responses to H1N1 had not been disproportionately aggressive.1–3 In addition, concern over ties between WHO advisers and industry fueled suspicion about the independence and appropriateness of the decisions made at the national and international levels.4
Central to this debate has been the question of whether H1N1 influenza should have been labelled a “pandemic” at all. The Council of Europe voiced serious concerns that the declaration of a pandemic became possible only after WHO changed its definition of pandemic influenza. It also expressed misgivings over WHO’s decision to withhold publication of the names of its H1N1 advisory Emergency Committee.3 WHO, however, denied having changed any definitions and defended the scientific validity of its decisions, citing “numerous safeguards” for handling potential conflicts of interest.5
At stake in this debate are the public trust in health officials and our collective capacity to respond effectively to future disease threats. Understanding this controversy entails acknowledging that both parties are partially correct, and to resolve it we must re-evaluate how emerging threats should be defined in a world where the simple act of labelling a disease has enormous social, economic and political implications.
What sparked the controversySince 2003, the top of the WHO Pandemic Preparedness homepage has contained the following statement: “An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in several simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness.”6 However, on 4 May 2009, scarcely one month before the H1N1 pandemic was declared, the web page was altered in response to a query from a CNN reporter.7 The phrase “enormous numbers of deaths and illness” had been removed and the revised web page simply read as follows: “An influenza pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity.” Months later, the Council of Eu rope would cite this alteration as evidence that WHO changed its definition of pandemic influenza to enable it to declare a pandemic without having to demonstrate the intensity of the disease caused by the H1N1 virus.3

Since we know now that in most countries,there has not been an observed significant overall excess mortality in 2020,compared to previous years(see https://www.euromomo.eu),the whole thing should have been called off a long time ago,were the old definition of pandemic still adhered to.
This might be an appropriate item for legal action.
There are also serious concerns about the accuracy of the PCR tests.
Plus, there is strong evidence that perhaps 50% of populations may have preexisting immunity to C19(this would also disqualify C19 from being a pandemic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZjtiqujql8
By now, many of my colleagues have found numerous effective treatment/prevention strategies for C19,some as simple as taking vitamin D(up to 50% of many populations are deficient in this vitamin and C19 severity and mortality is significantly elevated in vitamin D deficient individuals.
There seems to be an unexplicable resistance by mostly western health authorities to im these well documented/proven strategies/treatments.
I will spare the details.
hope this info is helpful.

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