We’re publishing today a piece by Robert Carnaghan, in which he challenges the received wisdom that adding fluoride to drinking water to protect teeth is safe and effective. In fact, he says, there is no robust evidence it is effective, and plenty of evidence it is harmful – but all of this is suppressed by a medical and scientific establishment that is in up to its neck defending claims that don’t withstand scrutiny.
Here’s the introduction:
The addition of a fluoride, such as hexafluorosilicic acid or disodium hexafluorosilicate, to public water supplies has been recommended in a joint statement by the four Chief Medical Officers of the U.K. The Government’s Health and Care Bill, which has reached its final stages in Parliament, includes a small section to facilitate water fluoridation, which is now expected to be spread throughout the U.K.
Although water is already fluoridated in a few parts of the U.K. (mainly Birmingham), for nearly forty years no new schemes have been implemented since local opposition has managed to defeat them all. The Government is now determined to impose its wishes.
A recent press release said that “higher levels of fluoride are associated with improved dental health outcomes”, and that the “Health and Care Bill will cut bureaucracy and make it simpler to expand water fluoridation schemes”. The Bill’s explanatory notes state: “Research shows that water fluoridation is an effective public health intervention to improve oral health for both children and adults and reduces oral health inequalities.”
For about 70 years it has been claimed that fluoridation reduces dental decay, and that it is safe. Although there is abundant evidence showing that in fact it is neither effective nor safe, the proponents of fluoridation have long had the advantage of far greater funding than that available to sceptics.
Trials of fluoridation started in 1945 in the U.S. and Canada but, before any had been completed, and without any comprehensive health studies, fluoridation was endorsed as safe and effective by the U.S. Public Health Service. The American Dental and Medical Associations soon added their approval, as later did their equivalents in the U.K.
The original trials were studied by Dr. Philip Sutton in Australia who graduated with honours in Dental Science. Asked to examine them, he found they were of low quality, full of errors and omissions.
In Austria, Rudolf Ziegelbecker also studied the original fluoridation trials and found they did not show what had been claimed. Professor Erich Naumann, Director of the German Federal Health Office, said of him: “Your results have been accepted everywhere in Germany with the greatest interest and have increased the grave doubts against drinking water fluoridation.” Prof. Naumann added: “It is regrettable that the existing data on water fluoridation had not been examined earlier using mathematical-statistical methods. Otherwise the myth of drinking water fluoridation would have already dissolved into air long ago.”
Worth reading in full.


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When we are being urged not to waste water, it seems that RO filters do just this – UK Water Filters state: “As part of the Reverse Osmosis filtering process about 70% of the water is rejected / wasted.”
Considering the number of households that are now seriously looking at investing in one, the environmental lobbyists ought to be getting on their high horses, and making a fuss.
As well as the negatives outlined in the article, it is also a fact that fluorine binds magnesium, and makes it unavailable to the hundreds of important processes it is involved in within the body. Certain prescription medications already do this. Carolyn Dean MD explains this perfectly in The Magnesium Miracle (2nd edition recommended).
Interesting on both aspects.
Specifically regarding magnesium thanks for the reference; that’s something also addressed by Cummins/Geeber in their Eat Rich Live Long and I will be checking my copy of The Magnesium factor (Seelig/Romanoff, 2003) for any additional info.
Calcium fluoride is the naturally occurring stuff, which can also be problematic but less perhaps than the industrial offal herebelow:
“The 2 fluoride compounds currently used in England are Hexafluorosilicic acid [and] Disodium hexafluorosilicate.”
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1561275/Fluoride-side-effects-high-blood-pressure-skeletal-weakness-seizures
Material Safety Data Sheets on Hydrofluosilicic Acid and Sodium Fluoride giving details of the dangerous effects of exposure to those compounds summarised in commenter’s remarks at above express article:
https://web.archive.org/web/20111101151444/https://www.mosaicco.com/images/Hydrofluosilicic_Acid_05_11.pdfMSDS/Material Safety Data Sheet: Hydrofluosilicic Acid
https://web.archive.org/web/20111202225051/http://www.wku.edu/msds/docs/6254.pdfMSDS/Material Safety Data Sheet: Sodium Fluoride
https://web.archive.org/web/20051231125944/https://www.salon.com/news/1999/02/17news.htm
“Fluoride’s positive image in the United States may rest in part on the whitewashing of unwelcome research findings and the firing of scientists who dared question fluoride’s benefits. Dr. William Marcus, formerly the chief toxicologist for the EPA’s Office of Drinking Water, lost his job in 1991 after he insisted on an unbiased evaluation of fluoride’s potential to cause cancer. Marcus fought his dismissal in court, proved that it was politically motivated and eventually won reinstatement. Marcus now declines comment on the episode beyond saying, “I was right about fluoride’s carcinogenicity, and now we know that.” An investigation by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee in 1991 supported Marcus’ charges, documenting that government scientists had been coerced to change their findings… Read more »
“There is a feeling fluorine-treated teeth give protection against caries for a lifetime. Many studies have shown this protection disappears toward the end of the teenage years.
Because the use of fluorine cuts down the need for dental treatment, it encourages people to believe it’s okay to eat sweets and junk food.”
pp84-85 of Meinig, George E., DDS: “Root Canal Cover-up” (1998)
“…the vast majority of people consuming such doctored water are incapable of deriving benefit from the purported reduction in dental decay, since this is only achieved in childhood….”
p161 of Leon Chaitow’s “Vaccination and Immunization” (1990).
This government like its predecessors has an absolute fixation with mass medicating the population and one assumes in part its attitude is shaped by lobbying on behalf of persons with an eye to the main chance – the taxpayer’s wallet.
See following link for reply from my MP and some comments/links
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/03/10/news-round-up-365/#comment-764708
The only hope now is localised lobbying against water adulteration. And no it’s not just a matter of having to spend money on a water filter, you get exposed to fluoride in bathing, washing, cooking preparation etc etc. And recall fluoride is in mouthwashes, toothpaste etc and if memory serves also… Read more »
‘It is regrettable that the existing data on water fluoridation had not been examined earlier using mathematical-statistical methods. ‘
A model, they’re useless aren’t? Seem to recall scorn being poured upon modelling in a climate change post…
I had a personal tour of a borehole pumping house for Wolverhampton 50 years ago. There was a machine for fluoridation and my host was very nervous as he said in larger amount the fluorine they were using was poisonous. The dosing machine had quite a few alarms attached!
The vaccine is not enough to turn the population into being chronically ill – nor adding flouride to make us sick …..
Fluoride and your Thyroid–a dangerous connection
https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/fluoride-and-your-thyroid/
Removes fluoride and a whole bunch of other crap too:
Alexapure Pitcher Water Filtration System, Reduces up to 92 Contaminants, BPA-Free 8-Cup Reservoir : Amazon.co.uk: Home & Kitchen
Don’t know how good these are, but perhaps worth a try:
pH Recharge 3F Alkaline Countertop Water Filter Dispenser – 3.3 Gallons Water Jug Dispenser – Removes Fluoride Chlorine & Impurities – Improves Water pH – Clean Healthy Drinking Water – 12.5 Litres : Amazon.co.uk: Home & Kitchen
to me looks like a cheaper and plastic version of Berkey which it states itself removes “some fluoride”
That fact it is plastic would be a no no for me as the plastic can contaminate the water with stuff which will cause hormone damage – especially if the water sits in it over an extended period of time.
Berkey would be better – it is stainless steel
If there is any silver lining to this pandemic and our utterly catastrophic response to it, it is that now more and more people are finally questioning things that were once taken for granted as unquestionable. Water fluoridation is literally mass drugging of the population without informed consent, and with very questionable benefits and clearly doing more harm than good on balance–sound familiar? Notice a pattern here?
Absolutely. I think it is designed to do away with the vaxx refuseniks – but will take a longer time than the clot shot
Recommend this filter
This site lists areas that have fluoride added to the water
https://www.uk-water-filters.co.uk/fluoride_areas_uk.html
3 Reasons to end Water Fluoridation
Reason #1: Fluoridation Is an Outdated Form of Mass Medication
Reason #2: Fluoridation Is Unnecessary and Ineffective
Reason #3: Fluoridation Is Not a Safe Practice
https://fluoridealert.org/issues/water/
We really need to push back against this.
I’d suggest a petition but Emerald Fox would deride the idea.
OP-ED: IT IS TIME TO PROTECT KIDS’ DEVELOPING BRAINS FROM FLUORIDE
Mounting evidence suggests fluoride may be hampering brain development and reducing kids’ IQ. The US needs to rethink this exposure for pregnant women and children.
https://fluoridealert.org/news/op-ed-it-is-time-to-protect-kids-developing-brains-from-fluoride/
https://www.mercola.com/infographics/avoid-fluoride-exposure.htm
https://fluoridealert.org
What else do they intend to dose us with in our water? A great opportunity for the evil ones in government.
If it is safe swallow the toothpaste….oh wait.
There is nothing that Government implements that benefits society. Nothing!!!!
Water is for brushing teeth Wine is for drinking 🤣
Canadian (previously unaware of the dangers of public health) sitting here thinking how much higher my IQ would have been and how much more successful I would have been as a result if my mom and subsequently I had been aware of this. That’s a lot of years of fluoride consumption, can one detox fluoride? Damn gas prices, these water filters are $ and non-fluoride toothpaste $ too.
The medical cartels need to be shut down, they are bad for your health!
A word to the wise: in addition to distilling/filtering fluoride out of your drinking water, use a fluoride-free toothpaste, e.g. Euthymol.
Avoiding any and all vaccines is also sound advice, the globalists love pumping toxins into the people.
Or even better re-mineralising toothpaste
Is that a thing?
I suspect it’s a marketing gimmick. Growing up in the ’80s we had like 1 or 2 types of toothpaste and the family shared 1 tube. Now you go to the shop and there’s such a huge array of various ones I’m convinced it’s mostly just marketing. It really should not be that complex of an issue. haha…
Yep – it most certainly is – you can even make your own at home.
All commercial toothpastes contain a chemical which sits like a biofilm over your teeth and which prevents your teeth being re-mineralised from the calcium and magnesium rich foods you eat. You can easily make your own toothpaste at home, which will leave your teeth feeling cleaner than anything you can buy in the chemist. See my reply above to Mogwai.
If it wasn’t harmful the Tories wouldn’t be doing it.
So despite the water coming in contact with our teeth for less than a fraction of a second, they care more about what it does to our teeth than what it does to our bodies, once it is absorbed? Typical.
I really do not understand where this absolutely idiotic and destructive idea that grips the population comes from, that we must force people to do things “for their own good”. And not only that, but that we must force ALL people to do something because it is for the good of some very few. Why am I being forced to ingest fluoride because some other person that may or may not exist has made the conscious choice to not brush their teeth? Not to mention that there may be no connection between the two.
It really is to blame for a lot of the problems we have in society. People are somehow ok with taxation being used as a deterrent. They’re ok with exorbitant fuel prices meant to deter people from buying and driving cars. They’re ok with taxing company parking lots in order to discourage people from driving to work. I cannot understand how someone can be so stupid as to agree with this.
Quoting Alex Jones once on the radio when the discussion got a bit heated
“Flouride Head”
There are way too many Dentists around. Signals how poor and sugary a diet society has.
Ffs. What bollocks now. I already have fluorosis from growing up in a naturally high fluoride area, and my mother having the genius idea of giving me fluoride tablets on top of fluoride toothpaste.
JUST STOP MEDDLING.
Looking at this I read it as not present (at meaningful levels) in my post code IP32?
But maybe in my neighbours? Do post codes and water supplies align to such a degree?
I’ve just now started filtering my drinking water/coffee water, but I suspect any damage that was likely to be done to me (after 42 years) by trusting Drs, Pills, Vaccines and now ever water suppliers has mostly already been done.
Areas of the UK with Naturally-Fluoridated WaterThe following Postal Districts have naturally-fluoridated water at more than 0.5 ppm:
Durham: DH1, 2, part of 6
Essex: CO1-6, 8-10
Lincolnshire: Part of LN13
Peterborough: PE2, 4
Suffolk: IP1-8, 13, 14, 28 to 30, 33
Teesside: TS27, 28
Tyneside: NE25, 26, 29; part of NE30
https://www.uk-water-filters.co.uk/fluoride_areas_uk.html
I know those postcodes in Tyneside well. When I visit family/friends their water always tastes dreadful. Even when I make tea it tastes really odd. The water comes out the tap white and clears from the bottom up. I figured it must be the mineral content but anyway, the water tastes disgusting there.
Where I spend most of my time, according to the water company the mean value is 0.16 mg/l (or 0.1602 ppm). This is a Thames Water area, which gets much of the supply from Oxford Farmoor surface reservoir, but mixed with other ground water from time to time.
Popular in dentistry though. One of the dentists I used a while back actually prescribed some high fluoride toothpaste – still got some of it, albeit past it’s expiry date; It’s 5000 ppm. The normal toothpaste I use has 350 ppm.
Tales from the Marxist State
Full pay for no work to be extended beyond 12 months
Welsh NHS staff sick with long Covid stay on full pay – BBC News
Totally unconnected
Bang goes the 5year wait for a knee operation, now looking more like 10 years
Covid: NHS Wales planned care will slow down – health minister – BBC News
The best solution is to get a reverse osmosis filter. The tankless 6 stage ones are the best as they filter out absolutely everything and then remineralise your water. They’re pretty hard to come by in the UK but I heard Toby and James Delingpole running an ad on the London Calling podcast for one that seemed very reasonably priced. I looked at the website and it’s also too spec. The site they advertised was filterlondon.com and it sends you to the Finer Filters website which seems to be a fully UK based company.
I live in Dorset and Wessex Water say that they don’t add fluoride. Presumably the Health and Care Bill will change all that.
About a year ago I bought a water distiller for about £100 after becoming concerned about the presence of other toxins in the water but it also removes ALL fluoride. I recommend buying one – the gunk left after distillation is something to behold.
can you tell us what brand you bought?