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Were the ‘Spontaneous’ Anti-Racism Rallies Even Real?

by Steven Tucker
10 August 2024 7:00 AM

This is a tale of two placards.

Here’s one from recent anti-immigration protests in Middlesbrough on Sunday August 4th, pointing out that “Tom Jones is Welsh, Axel Rudakubana isn’t!”, Axel being the main suspect in the Southport mass stabbings of schoolgirls on July 29th.

Here, meanwhile, is one from pro-immigration counter-protests in Birmingham on Wednesday August 7th, arguing that “Migrants make our NHS: Stop the scapegoating”.

Guess which one of these two signs the media and political class will most approve of? It would be extremely easy for such superior persons to mock the Middlesbrough banner. Quite apart from its message, it just looks so… amateurish. It’s all done in crude capitals, barely fits onto the right-hand side of the sign, and the word “chld” has a missing ‘i’ in it and its makers haven’t even noticed. The Birmingham one is altogether more acceptable. Professionally printed, with bright block colours and easily readable, properly spelled text, with its right-on slogan cannily linking migrants back to the U.K.’s current national religion (its forthcoming one is Islam) of the NHS, it almost seems to have been produced via focus-group. Which, on reflection, it may very possibly have been.

The word ‘amateurish’, after all, is often just a synonym for ‘home-made’ – or, put another way within the present context, ‘real’. ‘The word ‘professional’, however, has altogether different connotations. Rather than ‘home-made’, it indicates something more like ‘factory-made’, ’precision-tooled’ or ‘specialist-designed’ – or, within the present context, ‘unreal’.

According to the standard media and political narrative, we are now told that, following a week of supposedly wholly “unrepresentative” and “fascist” anti-immigrant riots, on Wednesday night, under threat of an imminent neo-Nazi assault upon the entire nation, a far greater number of “real” people, representing the “true” nature of Great Britain and its shared collective values, took to the streets to show the world who the country actually was: a bunch of bleeding-heart hippies. If that’s so, how come the former protests all looked so incredibly amateurish, chaotic, but real, whereas the latter gatherings all appeared so impeccably professional, well-organised and artificial?

Perhaps it is because the much-vaunted anti-racism rallies did not actually take place at all.

Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Whiteness of Crowds

I do not mean to suggest the counter-protests literally did not take place in a physical, three-dimensional sense on the ground, or that photos of them were all faked. I just mean that, unlike the original anti-immigration ones, they seem far less organic and self-organised from the bottom up by members of the actual local community. Instead, they appear far more top-down in their nature.

Here, for example, is the full, uncropped image of the pro-immigration protestor in Birmingham on Wednesday, and his lovely, diversity-loving chums: 

I would remind you, this particular protest took place in Birmingham, a city where outside visitors are usually forced to play a game of ‘spot the white face’, one they can only usually win if they happen to be Caucasian themselves and carrying a large mirror. And yet here, it is more a case of ‘spot the black face’ (there is one hiding away in there: see if you can spot him yourself, it’s like Where’s Wally for armchair demographers).

That’s not a real Birmingham crowd is it? I mean, they’re all physically standing there, sure, this isn’t The Matrix. But, to echo Sir Keir Starmer’s recent post-Southport riots speech to the nation in reverse, they do look as if they may have been somewhat “bussed in”, as it were, like Keir claimed all his imaginary mosque-demolishing ‘Nazis’ were in Southport.

Now compare this suspiciously staged-looking scene to the fuller, uncropped version of the Middlesbrough sign-wielders:

Which looks more authentically unstaged to you? It’s obviously the latter, isn’t it? The gathering’s complete and abject mediocrity would tend to prove it. And I don’t mean this as an insult – unlike the counter-protesters, these poor people no doubt have massive, local, immigration-caused problems, and absolutely zero resources other than their own anger to tackle them with, as their direly-produced (but witty and honest) banner proves. With the smug, performatively cosmopolitan, comparatively well-resourced counter-protesters, it’s exactly the opposite.

Methinks They Doth Protest Too Much

I am reminded inescapably of French philosopher Jean Baudrillard’s 1991 text The Gulf War Did Not Take Place, in which, contrary to the title, he does not argue that the named conflict did not actually happen, just that it may as well not have done, for the watching Western TV audience at home. Baudrillard alleged that many bombing-raids the U.S. performed in Iraq had no actual military utility, but simply functioned to shape the narrative for TV-viewers: already-destroyed factories got a second superfluous bombing on a second night when there was no logical need to do so, purely to reinforce for viewers how overwhelming U.S. airpower was.

Likewise, it seems likely Wednesday night’s anti-racism rallies served no logical ‘military’ function, either. We are told their whole purpose was to counter a forthcoming far-Right conquest of the whole country, with violence being organised for around 100 separate locations by Nazis on the Telegram messaging app for that same evening. Police officially notified the public Britain was due to be blitzkrieged thus, as did the Home Secretary and PM.

But was this ever really likely? Britain’s actual full-on neo-Nazi fringe is tiny. If they really were planning to attack in 100 locations simultaneously, this would have to be done in the shape of 100 one-man-army Fourth Reich Aryan super-soldiers, like Arnold Schwarzenegger in Commando. Sure enough, come Wednesday night, precious few anti-immigrant protestors took to the streets at all. The whole thing seems to have been at best a moral panic, at worst a hoax.

Instead, the main predictable result of the police, media and politicians pumping out this alarmist fable was to flood the streets with far-Left protesters instead (not that they are ever called that by most media, of course). Watching rolling-news coverage that night was to see a new, politically useful counter-narrative being born before our very eyes. As it became increasingly clear the Nazi army was not going to turn up after all, primarily because there wasn’t one, banner headlines changed abruptly from ‘Communities Braced for Far-Right Anti-Immigrant Invasion’ to ‘Pro-Immigrant Communities Defeat Far-Right Invasion’ instead. The overriding meta-narrative was clear. Set up expectation of imminent social disaster, then let it down with an outpouring of love, unity and collective public Muslim-loving: redemptive bathos on a grand scale.

But if no such invasion was ever due to actually occur, how could it ever have been defeated? If I hang a big banner from my window saying ‘Vikings Not Welcome Here!’ and then no Vikings do actually come, can I really take any true credit for the fact?

Stand Up Comedy

How ‘spontaneous’ was this impromptu outpouring of mass foreigner-worship? Read your Jean Baudrillard. Watching Wednesday’s anti-racism rallies on live TV, unlike ill-organised fuming men and women improvising missiles and firebombs before asylum hotels, I saw speechifiers addressing crowds with microphones, men in hi-viz jackets walking in front of crowds directing their path, and masses upon masses of professionally printed signs, banners and placards, most of which seemed to have been industrially produced by the Stand Up To Racism (SUTR) organisation.

What is SUTR? According to journalist James Bloodworth, it is a front for the Socialist Workers Party, an extreme Leftist body who, Bloodworth alleges, seek to recruit new members by luring them in with noble-sounding causes like anti-racism, as these appear rather less fringe. SUTR denies this, but what it cannot deny is that it is well-funded by the British trade unions: on its website, it specifically says that “Most unions are affiliated to SUTR as part of their work to combat hatred and division”, and as a result these same bodies have just been busily doling out cash to SUTR’s “Emergency Unity Fund” designed to pay for organisation of all those ‘grass-roots’ rallies you saw taking place on Wednesday.

Why are trade unions using their members’ fees like this? Don’t many working class people despise mass immigration because it pushes their wages down? Isn’t that one reason they have been protesting lately in places like Middlesbrough? Ah yes, but, explained the SUTR-affiliated Communication Workers’ Union to the minimum-wage thickos whose interests they claim to represent:   

This truth now firmly established, several unions listed as donating to SUTR on their site made promises of practical organisational support to the Wednesday night counter-protests like so:

So, the ‘spontaneous’ counter-protests were not really entirely ‘spontaneous’ at all, were they? They were actually fairly well organised from above. I’m not trying to claim there were no genuine local protesters at the counter-rallies. I’m sure there were plenty. But it wasn’t quite the 100% organic, grass-roots movement it was falsely portrayed as being, was it? The gangs of outside white-skinned people invading Birmingham on August 7th were actually the far-Left, not the far-Right.

Non-Spontaneous Human Combustion

Back in 2019, online outlet Middle East Eye published an excellent investigation into something called “controlled spontaneity”, a method of psychological control over the general population devised by the state following Britain’s last major riots of 2011.

Fearing more riots may erupt during the 2012 Olympics, should any terror attack occur during it, a project was designed with the intention “to shape public responses, encouraging individuals to focus on empathy for the victims and a sense of unity with strangers, rather than reacting with violence and anger” – in 2024 terms, that means holding up placards praising Bangladeshis for supposedly saving the NHS, rather than fire-bombing any more mosques.

The whole idea was to provide “an anaesthetic for the local community” by diverting public anger instead into becoming an orgy of saccharine “Princess Diana-esque grief”, with love being the drug considered to have the greatest soporific effect. Government psy-ops agents were co-opted to hand out free flowers to strangers in ‘impromptu’ displays of public-spiritedness, or paste up posters with pre-written, focus-grouped hashtags like #LoveWillWin or #UnitedAgainstAllTerror, designed to go viral online.

Within the current context, one wonders if the present 10-day wonder of #NansAgainst Nazis, which we are told was devised by a mysterious elderly Liverpudlian anti-fascism veteran known only as ‘Pat’, was another slogan designed by a PR expert then stored away just waiting to be unleashed as soon as ‘Nazis’, not Islamists, became the new temporary public enemy number one. (The nans have since magically multiplied like amoebas to defend random Muslims even further.) Here’s a handy list of other ‘heartwarming’ events from recent days printed by the Guardian: real or psyops? You decide!

Bee As One

It seems one of the places this plan of “controlled spontaneity” was put into operation was in Manchester, following the Islamist bombing of little girls gathered at Manchester Arena to see a concert by teen-pop idol Ariane Grande back in 2017. An interesting 2021 academic study of events organised by Manchester City Council in the aftermath of the atrocity shows how they were specifically designed to bring people together and brainwash them into thinking “there is more that unites us than divides us”, a palpably false slogan I’d love to see these same people try and push in the Gaza Strip right now.

The basic idea was to create a “community of affect”, or emotion, in which, via public singalongs of appropriate songs, like ‘Don’t Look Back in Anger’ by Oasis, rather than ‘The Wake-Up Bomb’ by R.E.M., people would be made to feel as one, and not go all Tutsi and Hutu on one another with machetes in the middle of the Arndale Centre. The bee, meanwhile, formerly an obscure civic symbol of Manchester as a hive of 19th-century industry, suddenly became reborn as an all-purpose emblem of togetherness – bees tend to all share the same opinions in their hives, you see, very few are independent-minded dissenters from enforced political consensus like Daily Sceptic readers. Did these newly ubiquitous bee-logos in question really just begin ‘spontaneously’ appearing printed or graffitied all over local T-shirts, posters, walls, etc.? Or were other, higher, forces at work here too?

With the concert of a popular popstar attacked, the bombing was also opportunistically repurposed to become “an attack on a fan community” too, rather than, say, an attack on underage white non-Muslim infidels, which is what the perpetrator presumably actually intended. That’s not very conciliatory an image, though, so instead innocent-seeming visual iconography relating to Ariane Grande was repurposed as peace symbols, with the bunny ears she sometimes wears on-stage being reshaped into a peace-ribbon, for example. In this way, the fact there is no genuine shared cohesive community in existence across multicultural, mass immigration Britain any more is disguised by constructing a wholly artificial pop-culture one instead. This was an attack not on white non-believers but on innocent little ‘Grandies’, or whatever the singer’s fans are called.

As the authors of the study show, the state-directed inducement of positive affects or emotions acts as “a resource for techniques of power”, with members of the public participating in “events planned by the municipal authorities, sometimes accepting the terms of togetherness offered by the city, and sometimes improvising responses that repurposed elements of the events”. In other words, the state provided a basic ‘framework’ of acceptable emotions to be expressed in public, channelled citizens towards them, then allowed them to semi-improvise around these themes semi-independently.

Peace, Love and Complete Misunderstanding

Due to such techniques, state manipulation of the public psyche becomes deniable. Not every poster or cuddly toy placed in shrines to the dead is a Government plant, nor has every placard or hashtag been designed by Svengalis from on high. But, once you’re aware of such devious psyops techniques, every local tribute, genuine or not, suddenly begins to look potentially suspicious.

Post-Southport, one local tribute to the stabbed girls was called ‘The Swifties Bubble Blow’, “Swifties” being Taylor Swift fans, as the children were stabbed whilst attending a Taylor Swift dance event. Here, local kids and their families were asked to blow bubbles into the sky thereby to “send kisses to Heaven” to comfort the dead girls’ souls, whilst a local musician sang “a heartfelt song”. Was this a real, organically-generated event? Or a state-generated pseudo-event?

The named organiser could well have been completely genuine. Then again, the ceremony does have distinct echoes of the state’s alleged controlled spontaneity plan post-Manchester to disingenuously relabel an attack from a non-white adult on little white children as a non-religiously motivated attack upon an arbitrary community of pop-star fandom instead. Now we know this kind of thing happens, we begin to become paranoid, capable of interpreting any expressions of grief as manipulative Government psyops campaigns.

My own opinion is that the Bubble Blow was indeed a real tribute, but I’m equally suspicious that state operators will one day try to imitate the previous Manchester Ariane Grande campaign by co-opting Taylor Swift imagery into future tributes in order to spuriously “bring us all together”. But if so, this would surely only end up being a mere sticking-plaster. Making people go all gooey inside over dead infants for a few minutes doesn’t really alter the fact that, once the music has stopped, the nation is still stuffed full of opposing camps who hate one another’s guts – do note how, within a week of the ‘healing’ Southport bubble-blowing extravaganza, Islamists over in Austria unaccountably still tried to kill yet more of her young fans with bombs and knives.

Controlled spontaneity is really just a form of temporary displacement activity, designed to distract us all from the unmitigated civilisational disaster being imposed on us from on high by a morally blind, immigration-addicted state whose agents then claim falsely to be able to step in and protect us all from the very problem they themselves have artificially created for no good reason. 

There was one remarkable image last week of true overriding unity between previously divided camps in Belfast, where men brandishing Irish tricolours and British Union Jacks marched down the streets together – in the name of kicking all the blacks and Muslims out. Somehow, I don’t think MI5 was behind that particular potential future Hallmark Cards image.

Tags: Anti-RacismControlled spontaneityCounter-protestsFar LeftFar RightIslamProtestersPsyopRiotsSouthportTerrorism

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago

I’m honoured

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Congrats! I thought only supporters of the vaccines/lockdown narrative were in line for honours these days – I suspect it will be a cold day in hell when professor “sir ” Carl Heneghan gets his gong!

So how long until the nightmare’s over then? next May? 2022? never?

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It’s only over if enough people say it is.Millions have ignored the governments edicts over Christmas.That needs to translate to mass civil disobedience over all the restrictions.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

I live in hope. “A lot of frightened people out there” though. (Name the film…)

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Someone put this link up yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1t8g-Q3rVI

19 mins in are DR’s suggestions as to what is needed.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

That’s brilliant. Thanks.

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

The whole thing is definitely worth watching. Thank you 🙂

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Gandhi, Vaclav Havel and Mandela all said it takes only one person to stand up against the lie.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I find it possible to pick holes in all three. Gandhi was tolerated by the British because he did not favour violent opposition to British rule, and towards the end of his life he preached holy poverty while staying on the grounds of Birla House, owned by one of the wealthiest people in India. Indian leftists certainly noted the contradiction.
Havel came from a wealthy Czech family that lost property and social status when the Communists came to power but had no problems under the German occupation. His uncle ran the Barrandov film studios during the occupation and postwar was charged with collaboration. Although acquitted, he moved to Germany.
Mandela for his part was close to the South African Communist Party, although when asked whether the CP was using him, he replied that it could just as easily be said that he was using the CP.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

None of what you say has any real bearing on what karenovirus posted, so I have to wonder why you actually bothered.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

It does if you think about it a little. All three are held up as exemplars of resistance. But the Brits preferred Gandhi to more violent opponents of British rule like Bhagat Singh and the rich also felt unthreatened by him, for all his praise of poverty. Havel’s family did not resist the Germans and even prospered under them, which made things difficult after 1945. As for Mandela his link to the Communists was controversial although of the three he is the one I find least objectionable. Although the real fly in the ointment was Winnie.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

What (or who) can you not tear down and stand over, as righteous judgement?
The persona is the focus of moral oneupmanship.

But the pivotal moments of all changes are lived through specific situation in which a more universal recognition allows the release of a situation of conflict to one of some measure of cooperation.

The principle is key – not worshipping and idealising or idolising the person or event.

As one who identifies in terrain theory, I don’t see the pathogen or the apparent saviour in isolation from the context that draws forth the condition. This is a different way of seeing – as within a wholeness rather than as if set apart and set over a wholeness torn down and stood over in a game of ‘king of the castle’ – and the dirty rascal.

Nothing can bring recognition of life as whole to a mind intent on picking holes.
However, when any form, idea or system is idolised, and presented as a god-narrative to comply and conform in, the willingness to see it is full of holes is the release from taking one’s identity from its compliance, worship or accepted currency.

Politics has been called the art of the possible, and like parenting is both impossible and necessary. Social organisation is an ordered chaos or chaotic order. Ideals of order and control operate as conflicting interests and power struggle consolidates the means to prevail as control. Yet this kills the life it claims to serve or protect and is a generator OF chaos at system level.
Order within chaos is a discernment of compassionate presence, rather than conflicting sympathies and antipathies of narrative driven identity.
Anyone who gives attention and aligns support in this is generating the pathways for a win-win perspective instead of ancient hate set in power struggle. Does it matter how many or who serves to hold the way open for release of ancient hatred to a truly workable way of living on this Earth.
The eugeneticists actively generate ‘the degradation of the stock’ they claim to be saving humanity from. But are one extreme example of how we become the thing we hate – under narrative blindness of being ‘right’ against the lack of virtue seen or extended to the ‘unworthy’.
The politicisation of hate crime is operating against the potential to freely recognise hate in our own heart and choose not to use it.

Freely means free of blaming hate that thinks to ‘make a better world’ (sic). But if our measure DOES come back to us, then our call to re-evaluate where we are coming from is not a witch hunt but a living desire for a better world right Now! Without justification or apology to anyone else.

‘Where do I stand?’ is first.
Where do I stand in terms of a presenting problem will be seen from a true understanding, or else frame me in someone else’s problem running as a currency of contagion.
Many identify from their problems and would feel lost, exposed and naked without them. The devil they know…
‘Just give me whatever makes it go away doc’.
The choice to abnegate responsibility is different to the period of dependency that calls for orientation and support in learning to live. And is fed and nurtured by the role given to those who then take that as the basis for control, leverage, and use of the living as a food source, energy supply or bio-assets to develop or discard.
The unholy alliance of fear and control is the subjugation of the living will to systemic compliance. But the Law is made for Man – not the other way around.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Binra

Bill Gates and many others who embrace the Global Action Plan consider themselves superior beings.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Forget Mandela, listen to Hugh Masekela.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

Hugh Masekela: Mace & Grenades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3LRDZkgJTY

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

WOW!!!

Somewhere I have a reel to reel tape from long ago of a concert by Abdullah Ibrahim. One of the songs made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up

“South African sunshine

You can see the guns shine . . .”

The only good thing to come out of apartheid was all the ZA musicians who went into exile in the UK. US and Europe. Chris MsGregor’s. Blue Notes became the Brotherhooid Of Breath with the addition of local jazzers. They’re pretty much all dead now except for Louis Moholo, nearly 80 and still drumming though he needs to be helped on and off stage, playing with some of the New Young Lions like Shabaka Hutchins, Alexander Hawkins and Kyle Shepherd

An old favourite. Mra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxl0tz6X7ug

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Yes, it goes on for ever unless or until the sheep themselves fight back.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

And the Chinese one re. HK. Is it still the case that no teacher has died from Covid-19 after being infected by their pupils?

And re. professor pantsdown, who believes that copying Chinese lockdown measures has moved the parameters of what Western populations consider acceptable – perhaps we should have a slogan in May – “vote Tory/Labour, get China!”

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

That’s my theory, CCP ramped it up to deal with its HK problem and then spotted the wider benefits to them of worlwide panic.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Yes if it was a Chinese master stroke, then who could blame them.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Great slogan. Who will use it? For whom can we vote?

Assuming we do get a vote. I have said before I think it will be postal only and involve some Dominion voting machines

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The only option I will be considering is to spoil my voting paper with a written message. If we keep voting for a rigged system, we’ll continue getting a rigged outcome.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

I started watching a film called “1984” (freedom is slavery, apparently). I wondered if it should be renamed “2020”.

Annie, you might get this reference – ” Furcht und Elend des Dritten Reiches” (Bertolt Brecht). That. And under “libertarian” Boris Johnson too! What have we become?

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

[edit not working again] I’ve got to the bit where she says “We can even touch each other if we want to”. It really should’ve been called “2020”!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

My edit is working, on an Android.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Funny thing, edit seems to work on some messages and not others.

Must admit I have only a hazy notion of what android is (love Arkanoid though!). I never signed up to Twitter or Face Book either…

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Android phone, perhaps the site works differently with different devices.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I suspect that once a post has been up or down ticked …or replied to, it becomes uneditable. Just a theory.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Llamasaurus Rex

There is a ten minute window to edit unless some replies first. This is to stop their reply being made to look ridiculous.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Thanks. Thought it’d be something like that.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

And this – “If the state says ‘I am not holding out 4 fingers but 5’, how many fingers am I holding out?”

This really is 1984!

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Always loathed Brecht. His preferred cure for Fascist tyranny was Communist tyranny. Now we’ve got both. It’s all fear and misery, as the murderous Fourth Reich, controlled through Communist stooges like Pantsdown, extends its tentacles across the globe

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’d already read the deconstruction of ferguson’s Times interview in UnHerd (main article). Obviously I didn’t want to look at his ugly mug so enhanced his image.
Further down todays main page we come to Baroness Nicholson’s photo montage of bemasked persons and offer it for future inclusion.

20201227_054521.jpg
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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

This was pretty good though, so cut him some slack (June 1953).

After the uprising of the 17th June
The Secretary of the Writers Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

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HoMojo
HoMojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

And Mother Courage is a damn fine play.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

China has the worst features of every form of government according to Roger Scruton. Brecht has a certain heroic austerity, but believed that poetry should be politically useful. I think poetry should be read for its artistic merit only. For the last 30 years at least, English Lit has been used as a vehicle for encouraging ‘right think’.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

As Hitchens likes to point out, the PM is not a libertarian, he’s a libertine.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Or as Sumption said, a Johnsonite.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Best version is the original book – a true movie adaptation would be very difficult to make.

It has always been thought the book is named after the year the story is based. I’ve learned not to believe there are coincidences in politics and I don’t think it’s coincidental that the act used to lock us down is the 1984 Control of Disease Act. I agree with those who say the book is not a prophecy, it’s a warning.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

The title swapped the last two digits if the year the novel was written.
Always found it hard to believe that this intensely urban story was written on the coast of Jura, as wild and remote a spot as you’d find in Britain.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I have read Orwell intended ‘1948’.
Publisher insisted otherwise.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

Last week I posted that my father was discharged from hospital for a problem with his lungs. Unfortunately he had a stroke a few days ago and will probably take a long time to recover, if ever.

He has had a bad heart for a while and things have finally caught up with him. 2 tests for sars-cov-2 have turned up negative. However both the lung condition and the stroke are in the list of possible effects from covid-19.

Is it possible that it was undetected virus that caused both of these things? Sure but it’s also likely that it was something that was going to happen anyway. It sucks but there’s never a good time for these things to happen. They just happen and you have to deal with them as best you can.

If he had tested positive would I be expected to blame it on somebody else even if it turned out to be my wife, daughter or even myself? Maybe it was another person, should I seek them out for retribution? Should whoever was responsible be made to feel guilty or even be punished?

Since he tested negative there is no-one to blame but how many people have been led to believe that they should look for blame simply on the basis of a positive test? Does it some feel better to have another they can point a finger at? Should I be glad that what happened wasn’t due to the virus?

This is the society that is being created right now where everyone looks at each other with suspicion. People are being told to ask “Is that person a potential killer” about everyone. If somebody dies it is the fault of somebody else. Anyone who disagrees is advocating for or an accomplice to murder.

Is this really what we want as a society? I certainly don’t and the worst thing about it is that nobody has been given a choice or even the chance to discuss whether it really is what they want.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

1984!

“As best you can”. Seriously, try “The ABC’s of Disease” by Philip Day. He was recommended by one of my Christian friends who knows him and who has worked in care homes and seen the abuses and problems. Day is very much on our side re. the abuses of big pharma and takes a nutritional approach to diseases. His book contains useful info on many diseases including heart disease and stroke for those who want an alternative to the drugs based approach of medicine

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Jack62
Jack62
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Completely agree that nutrition is a key factor in disease control…and yes, I know of Phil Days work, very interesting….goes hand in hand with what some USA doctors and scientists have been trying to get out to the populace… Vit D, Vit C, zinc and lysine prophylaxis treatments have been shown to stop covid symptoms in their tracks…lots of research coming through online, but it’s being suppressed…. These substances are for free, in food and supplements so can’t be patented, so Big Pharma can’t make any money from it!
If you keep a population sick, scared and stupid, you can do what you like as they’ll follow like sheep…. So stay healthy, unafraid and we’ll informed, that is what this govt and other powers are afraid of….their mantra of ‘problem, reaction, solution’ can and must fail..

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Jack62

We’re taking extra vitamins since Professor Delores Cahill spoke out earlier on this year. Neither of us have been ill so far, and no colds. Some might say the restrictions this year may have attributed to being healthier perhaps that is so, however our waistlines have disappeared instead.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Yes! Philip Day deserves a lot more attention.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Getting the population to be suspicious and fearful of each other has been part of the plan for years. Makes them easier to manipulate.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Sorry to hear about your dad

The desire to blame others (the state or inviduals) for misfortune, and to believe that if somehow things had been done different you could have avoided misfortune, seems natural but is insidious

Of course there are times when misfortune is a result of others actions or lack of action in bad faith, but often it’s just the inevitable result of life. Stoicism in the face of adversity seems to reduce in line with our increased comfort, and this has led us to the disastrous state we’re in now

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

I think much of the worry for people is not that their loved ones, suffering from other issues, become ill. Its that they are marked as Covid. Given that need to then blame non compliance, or at least the fact that such scapegoating appears widespread, it comes with so much baggage.

I put this down to the lockdown lovers who are forever trying themselves in knots, so determined they are to control the moral high ground. They do not recognise the insidious hate they hold for their fellow man. If everyone could only just be like them.

Sorry for your troubles by the way. I hope 2021 brings more to be joyful for

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Covid-19 is a scam. If you want to blame someone, then start with the government, which is doing everything it possibly can to keep this blatant scam going.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Excellent post. The government and SAGE think their messaging is “clever”. In reality it’s deeply corrosive of the bonds that tie us together as a society. It’s very damaging. One of the worst elements us this objectification of humans as medical cases rather than loved ones, people we hold in our heart, people we view and understand subjectively as our gran, husband, child, friend or even neighbour. This is how we end up with the idea -as insisted upon by government – that it is “bad” for an 89 year old nearing the end of life to die after contracting Covid.

Only the person departing this world and those who loved them can offer any meaningful judgement on that – and it is contingent on what will happen if the person does not die of Covid: would it be “good” if they don’t die of Covid but contract septicaemia the following month, have to endure double amputation and linger on for three months in misery and pain before they die?

The government’s position is a curious mix of political cynicism, cold science and lazy sentimentality.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

I watched The Snowman on Xmas Day, totally lost its magic I’m afraid.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

I live in what had been an active and prosperous small city, we barely noticed Austerity with unemployment bumbling along at 1-1.5% for the past decade or more.

Parts of the city are now Desolation Row.
These three retail premises are just off the high street and within 50 yards and sight of each other.

The first used to supply equipment to commercial kitchens, hotels, restaurants and the like, this pic only shows half of it.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Up the street was a large bicycle outlet

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And on the corner was a wedding dress retailer.
The whole unit, the food image in the window is presumably an attempt to make it look less tumbleweed.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Very disturbing photos. Some time ago, a journalist on Twitter invited people to reply to a thread he started by posting photos of their local high street or any they happened to be in.

The response was overwhelming and while the images were depressing what stood out for me were photos sent from affluent places like Bath, Richmond, Oxford, Kensington, etc. Which is a dead giveaway that this is extremely bad when even businesses in rich areas are also going under.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

On St Lawrence, Montreal, there are many closed shops that have similar window dressing to yours.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They want to ban cars and make everybody walk or ride bicycles, yet their actions have closed down a bicycle shop.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

I’ve noticed that TFL have stopped with their walking or cycling adverts and announcements. Plus the cycle lanes in central London are pretty deserted.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago

Peter Hitchens in the MoS has made up some little fables. He orovides a moral, but nobody here will need it spelled out:

“The first is The Man Who Burned Down His House To Get Rid Of A Wasps’ Nest. In this, citizens see their neighbour doing this mad thing and rush to try to stop him. 
But he refuses to be dissuaded, shouting as he throws petrol on the flames ‘Well, what would you have done?’ while his neighbours shout back ‘Not that, anyway!’ until the entire street is burned to embers, while the unharmed wasps buzz round his silly blond head.
The next is The Surgeon And The Verruca, in which a man comes to see his doctor with a verruca. ‘That’s a really terrible verruca,’ says the medic. ‘The only thing I can do is cut off your leg.’ 
The man is not sure about this but the doctor tells him that this is an advanced new treatment and that without it, the verruca will probably be fatal.
 
His assistant, an eminent sage, produces reams of figures which seem to prove this. The man submits and duly wakes up with one leg. Filled with remorse, he questions the surgeon’s wisdom. 
‘Well,’ stammers the sawbones defensively. ‘Your verruca’s gone, hasn’t it?’ He then adds sternly: ‘Actually, I should have cut your leg off sooner because look, there’s now a second verruca on your remaining foot and the other leg will have to come off too.’ The sage proclaims: ‘He’s right, you know,’ and out comes the saw again.
And the third is thes story of The Great King Who Thought He Could Stop Autumn. In this, a prince who has longed to be World King since boyhood ascends to the throne. He finds his royal duties surprisingly dull until a courtier rushes in to say: ‘Panic! The leaves are falling from the trees! Something must be done!’ And so the King orders his soldiers out into the forests to glue the leaves back on the trees.
Advisers who grumble that the fall of the leaves is a normal event called autumn are shouted down, dismissed and accused of being callous and cruel to leaves. The King spends all the money in the country on glue, ladders and soldiers’ pay. 
And after he has made his kingdom bankrupt and autumn takes place as usual, he says: ‘We should have acted sooner.’ Moral to all three: the cure can be worse than the disease.”

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The Australian outback farmer who was forbidden from clearing the scrub around his farmstead to preserve the environment for a special breed of frog that lived nearby.

Following a firestorm he told a news reporter ” the the house has gone, the scrub’s gone and so’s the bloody frog’. “

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

not sure if Karenovirus’s example is meant to be a fable or not. certainly most of the forest fires that devastated Australia last summer and which were all put down to global warming were because, as per Karenovirus’s example, people were prevented from carrying out clearances of scrub by government. This scrub and undergrowth provided the fuel for the fires. America has had the same issues, with authorities cutting down (excuse the pun) on forest maintenance,so making fires there more frequent and bigger.
The law of unintended consequences

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

Australia deliberately released the RHD virus to kill its rabbit population. That virus spread around the world and begun killing rabbits elsewhere inc. pet rabbits. Now most rabbit owners in the world are told to vaccinate against RHD.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

It was widely reported following a series of bush fires some years earlier.
The farmers point, as you suggest, was that he routinely cleared the scrub to create firebrakes and to prevent such fires reaching his home.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Similar circumstances in California (see TC interview linked here) with new homes in forests where occasional fires were a normal part of the life cycle of the forest.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

The best speaker that I know of about California is Victor Davis Hanson who is both an academic and a practicing farmer.
His number one point is that on environmental grounds the State has not built a single reservoir for forty years despite an ever rising population.
Calufornias ruin will not be tectonic it will be lack of water.

And their public schools vie with Mississippi at the bottom of the league table despite having more top Universities than any country except the USA itself.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Meanwhile Governor Nuisance wines and dines his ministers in expensive French restaurants.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

The same applies closer to home and the dredging and maintenance of the Somerset levels drainage system. After the devastation of 2013/14 they finally told the idiots to piss off and dredged the system properly having left it to silt up for a generation and since then the flooding has only happened where it is meant to, on the moor and not into houses.

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TJS123
TJS123
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

I live there, and there are still floods that have closed many roads and flooded areas of farmland, over the past couple of weeks, but not to the degree seen in 2014. Yet!

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

Fields and roads flooding has always happened. In 2014 houses flooded that have never even come close and the rainfall wasn’t as severe as 2000/2001. I am born and bred on the levels, my family still farm there and much of the ground is under water as we speak. But, crucially, because they have properly cleared the system, and maintained it since 2014, the arteries are no longer clogged which means the water can be pumped away between storms.

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Thomasina
Thomasina
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

I live on the levels too – and what they have done appears to be working. Parts of the Levels will always flood but the closure of the A361 for months on end was something else. Water levels 8ft deep upto the roof of the old willow works never seen before.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Re the Levels, I believe they also no longer had their dredgers and had to import new ones.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

Yes, because the bitch who caused it all, sold the dredgers off for scrap and turned off the pumping stations. She should have been sued into penury for what she did.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Yes I remember it back in the seventies, there was constant dredging on the Tone and Parret and the floods went where they were expected to. Meanwhile in other parts of the country they built houses on the flood plains and were surprised when they got flooded.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

for example – China and the “four pests campaign” they exterminated the sparrows because they were eating grain. This caused a famine because all the grain was then eaten by locusts and other insects that had boomed in numbers as there was no sparrows to eat them. Links to wuhan flu????

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

Social Engineers imposing their stupidity on Nature.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

Another example: Cats culled in one of the plagues, just encouraged the higher infected rats.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Consequences eh?

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

Anything to help push Agenda 2030.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Past ages knew that the doctor could be more dangerous than the disease. Many common medical practices like bleeding are now known to have done more harm than good.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

I recommend Molière’s Le Malade imaginaire. Not just for its hilarious satire on doctors, but for its portrayal of a stupid, selfish, gullible man whose every decent instinct is perverted by pseudo-medical tyranny. I bet the author never dreamed that four centuries later, most of Europe’s population would be exhibiting exactly the cretinous stupidity that he thought he was exaggerating for comic effect.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Welsh Government Press release

‘We are concerned that the public have confused themselves about what constitutes ‘essential goods’ to be sold in shops under our new life saving laws

We have taken on board concerns about children’s winter clothes and items such as toasters and microwave ovens that that occurred during our much praised firebreak

We are therefore pleased to announce that the above goods are available for sale in supermarkets on the basis that the original item is ‘worn out’

The decision about wornoutedness is strictly a matter for the store

In order to ensure compliance and uniformity across the country we have issued the following guidance to supermarkets

Each application for purchase should be dealt with by an instore Court of Compliance

The quorum for the Court must be at least two and up to a maximum of three officials. The quorum must include either the Manager or Deputy Manager of the store.

Heads of Department should sit as appropriate. For example if the item in dispute is a toaster then we suggest the head of soft furnishings is co opted

In order to minimise the burden on stores, Courts of Compliance will only be required to sit between 10am and 11am each day (see: cuttingredtape.org.cymru)

Applications to purchase must be in writing and submitted in triplicate through your local police station

When your case is heard evidence must be given in person. Legal representation will not be permitted, and you may be subjected to a brutal cross examination

The decision of the court is final and cannot be appealed

To prevent multiple applications the decision of the adjudicating Court will be branded on the forehead of the Applicant (including successful applications)

In the interests of fairness the government indemnifies itself, the police and supermarkets against child deaths or house fires that occur as a result of delays in the above process’

Further helpful information is available on our website:

www/http/shedinthegarden.com

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Unbelievable, thanks for posting. Just heard that a call has been put out on Twitter for medical students to assist in Cardiff ITU departments. They need to know how to prone a patient with respiratory trouble.

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

PS mine is for real😌

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

You may mock Cecil B but worn out equipment can be a real hazard.
For many years the Fire Brigade were plagued by frequent fire alarms from the University to which they were obliged to send two tenders and the ladder, the vast majority turned out to be false alarms.

Following in-depth research the problem was resolved by forbidding students from having toasters in their Uni rooms.

In view of this would the First Minister consider allowing students to self-certify the wornoutness of their electrical equipment during this cataclysmic pandemic ?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Ok, I promise to be mockless for the remainder of the day

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Insane. This has nothing to do with the virus.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

None of it has anything to do with the virus. Lighten up!

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Viv
Viv
4 years ago

And so the game in the MSM, of ‘save the NHS’ and it’s all the fault of ‘Teh Torees’ goes on. We read that the NHS lacks 80,000 staff. Cue: outcry.
We don’t known if this is all frontline staff (one is permitted to have one’s doubts) but the number has been bandied about for some time.
One also wonders if and when the NHS top administrators will realise that the ongoing isolation scheme (isolate and get tested because one of your contacts might have ‘the virus’) is in any way to blame.
Yesterday we read that the Armed forces using the fats, laminar flow test to get the truckers moving through Dover four only four (!) positive covid cases in the 1,600 they’d tested that far.
But of course – “We” can’t trust those tests, can we – we must trust only the holy PCR tests …

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Viv

Yesterday the BBC website was reporting 24 positives from a total of 10,000 tests at Dover.
Another LS reader worked out that statistically every one of those 24 was likely to be a false positive.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Viv

At its peak the RAF had over 1 million personnel and was consider the biggest employer of all time, the NHS has now exceeded that with somewhere around 1.5 million staff, which I understand is the biggest workforce of any organisation in Western Europe. There are around 21 thousand covid patients stated to be in hospital, so by my rough calculation this equates to 70 NHS staff for every covid patient. If that overwhelms the NHS then it is not fit for purpose and needs a radical review and reform.

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TJS123
TJS123
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

They’re not all nurses and doctors though! Subtract HR, payroll, audit, procurement, cleaning, estates, finance, recruitment, RTT validators, coding, general management, etc etc and the actual number of patient facing staff is much less, with many off forcibly isolating. In my hosp, we were running with a staff nurse vacancy rate of about 60, and now another 60+ are isolating at any one time due to “the rules”.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

At the start of lockdown the entire office /management workforce happily went off to WFH leaving the front line staff to their fate.
Judging by the car park of nearby County Hall I expect that many still are. I have no idea if WFH staff are included as ‘absent’.

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Felice
Felice
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

My daughter works for a city council, so I have a few anecdotes as to what they are up to.
She’s WFH, with a real emphasis on working – her team, in the information governance dept, are snowed under with work and can hardly cope. She’d love to be back in the office, if only because her heating bills have grown so much, but the building design prohibits more than about 1/3 of previous number of workers. They were hot desking before March. Now the lack of lift capacity in a 10 storey building severely limits numbers in the office.
Lots of employees were reallocated during the first lockdown – parks and gardens staff were all involved in distributing essential supplies to those who needed them, others were drafted in to help with bereavement, etc etc. Things have pretty much gone back to normal now, but my daughter does not know what has happened to those who are classified as vulnerable, and who can’t WFH, nor what proportion of the work force they are. Having stood watching staff flood out of the building in happier times, I suspect quite a few are vulnerable, just from their size….

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Interesting isn’t it? With all the jobs in admin and management that are worthless jobs, non clinical and completely unnecessary, that not one NHS has been furloughed.

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Alan P
Alan P
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

How many diversity officers and supporting staff?

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

Posting this from a standpoint of virtual ignorance but isn’t it the case that the nursing profession was made all graduate in recent times? Surely such an arbitrary rule limits the number of potential applicants? If I’m right wouldn’t it make sense to abandon this and offer apprenticeships instead, requiring minimal entry requirements? I suspect that a great deal of fetching and carrying goes on in a hospital ward, for medicines, meals, equipment, cleaning materials, moving patients in wheelchairs and on trolleys etc, for which graduates are over qualified. Let young apprentices do this while learning on the job.

I may be way out on a limb here, but something tells me there are going to be a lot of people, young and not so young, looking for work next year.

It might also help if there was rule limiting the number of non-medical staff e.g. so many administrators per front line staff member so that we had a sensible ratio of chiefs to indians.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  charleyfarley

Yes I was told by a nurse at a high end hospital the dates when the non-medial staff outnumbered the medically qualified and the managers outnumbered the nurses. It was something like 1984 and 1987 and has certainly got worse

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

If the health service cannot cope with a “second wave” of an epidemic, for which it had 9 months to plan, having had at least a decade to plan for a putative epidemic in the first place, without completely subjugating the population and removing all of the citizenry’s freedoms, the health service is not fit for purpose.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Viv

If the PCR test was banned and the LFT used the whole crisis would be over.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

I suspect France, Spain and Belgium switched to LFT in the last couple of months. All have <300 per 100k positives. Previously it was closer to 1000 per 100k.

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Thomasina
Thomasina
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

But that apparently throws up too many false negatives. Cant win.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomasina

Except that the proof of that assertion is based on the PCR being gold-standard.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomasina

According to PCR. As the crimson pirate said, France, Spain and Belgium appear to have moved over to LFT and the crisis has gone.

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mikec
mikec
4 years ago

I’m normally fully supportive of everybody who contributes to the lockdown cause. But you have to ask why the gent who submitted TWO tests taken from the same person has been featured. We all know the ‘test‘ is fatally flawed, but if he had no symptoms why did he submit to being tested? He’s manufactured his own problem, if it’s a struggle to test his son he should have said so, not just blundered on. We’re going nowhere fast if we keep this up, and we wonder why thousands are still being ‘tested’.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  mikec

I thought from the article that he and his son had to be tested so that his son could go back to his special school. A lot of the pressure for testing seems to be coming from schools, colleges, institutions and workplaces who are insisting that in order to attend people and their relatives, carers and associates must all have a negative test result. It has grown into a monstrous self perpetuating cycle of testing and pointless restrictions.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Yes, my two year old grandson had to be PCR tested along with his parents after he returned from nursery school with a (predictable) sniffle at th end of the first lockdown. All negative thank God. He took it in his stride, just one more crazy thing that grownups subject you to.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  mikec

Because he had to do it to get his disabled child back into care. My daughter had to be tested to be admitted to hospital. It looks like kids are going to have to take a test to go back to school.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

But, what sort of moronic system totally forgets that vulnerable people have issues. You are supposed to CARE for the sick not fucking put them through hell. Where is your common sense? He clearly states his son won’t even let him put a toothbrush in his mouth. What is the matter with these people.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Anyway, the important general point is that ONE AND THE SAME SAMPLE TESTED BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE.
Witchcraft!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

But, what sort of moronic system totally forgets that vulnerable people have issues.

The sort of hideously callous and cruel setup that’s in place at the moment, instigated by a bunch of psychopaths who don’t care about the harmful consequences of their politically-driven edicts.

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Alias Margaret
Alias Margaret
4 years ago

“The remarkable divergence between the number of “cases” and those reporting symptoms provides yet more evidence that the vast majority of those testing positive do not have the virus.”

http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2020/12/covid-19-in-uk-remarkable-divergence.html

My dearest friend, from our university days together, has been taken in by all of this. Her husband had a few symptoms and as they had downloaded the Zoe app, got a PCR test. He tested positive but wasn’t ill at all. She tested negative and thinks that either she has had the virus and didn’t know it, or is immune from it.
This is someone who has relatives working high up in the NHS.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Alias Margaret

Which is why the press are now reduced to reporting
‘deaths where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate’

And using misleading headlines
’14 deaths were recorded in the countys hospitals on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day’

Reading further on we find those deaths occured 17th to 25th December, ie a full week, and that just one person sadlidied at the main hospital on Xmas day.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yep, here we go again. Death porn. Let’s see if we can get back to the top of the European death list. Come on, you people are not trying hard enough. Do you remember when Carl Hennighan took the figures and proved they were over counting the covid deaths. Now apparently they don’t release the details. Terminal cancer, covid, heart attack, covid, fell off ladder, covid. Can you imagine the sick bastard who goes around terminally ill patients sticking swabs up their nose or down their throat.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

They exist. An example was reported on this site a few weeks back. Sticking a swab up the nose of a dying man. We have bred a race of monsters.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

…. an emerging minority race of mutant monsters.

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

I’ve said this before. The actual numbers are irrelevant: you only need to look at the data sets they’re reporting to know that they’re lying, or at best, making it easy to lie if they want to.

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alw
alw
4 years ago

From South Africa

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago

Apparently the Irish Government have had to admit that they have no evidence the virus exists.

“AS PART OF OUR LEGAL ACTION we had been demanding the evidence that this virus actually exists [as well as] evidence that lockdowns actually have any impact on the spread of viruses; that face-masks are safe, and do deter the spread of viruses – They don’t. No such studies exist; that social distancing is based in science – It isn’t. it’s made up; that contact tracing has any bearing on the spread of a virus – of course it doesn’t. This organisation here – is making it up as they go along.” – Gemma O’Doherty

https://principia-scientific.com/irish-government-admits-covid-19-does-not-exist/

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Interesting isn’t it. As it hasnt been isolated it’s quite right to question its existence.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

The response is “Are you saying the virus isn’t real?” and the answer is of course “Well no, the government is”

“So who are all these people in hospital?”

I find people’s questions stop at that point. They sort of reach their limit. To go any further would either be too much work or they know it would be risking the months of effort they’ve put into justifying all the pain to themselves.

I just wish they would try and find out the answers themselves instead of expecting someone to be there and hand it to them on a plate

Last edited 4 years ago by BeBopRockSteady
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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

“So who are all these people in hospital?

What do you mean?

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago

I had an interesting chat on the phone with a distant family member who is a part retired virologist. He is certainly on board with the narrative that the government have got it badly wrong, with the skills set in SAGE being poorly matched to the needs. However, he is more optimistic than I am about the vaccine.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Very few here are outright anti-vaxxers but many dispute that such a rushed untested vaccine can be guaranteed to be ‘safe’ as is claimed.

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Wolver
Wolver
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Or that one is necessary for the vast majority, when our own immune systems can do a better job. By all means vaccinate the vulnerable, just give the rest of us the choice.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Wolver

Erm, everyone who has capacity must have a choice regarding an invasive medical procedure. Vulnerable or not.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Agreed. ‘Vulnerable’ are like to be vulnerable to the vaccine.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Absolutely. No one should be vaccinated with these vaccines unless the person has been made aware of the risks and have consented.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

These risks cannot be quantified or extrapolated to any risk factor.
But you are completely missing the awareness of what benefits are likely or expected or wished for and whether crossing fingers behind your back actually magnifies the benefits.

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Wolver
Wolver
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Of course that is what I meant, though very poorly worded.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Wolver

🙂 Good to know, Wolver. Have an ovine uptick.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Wolver

Look up the top down advices and training relative to the informing of the patient as to any kind of choice. (pre covid).
There is no intention or trust in the information as being something that if all was out front would be willingly chosen.
Its the same with eugenics. People just don’t seem to want to do their part for humanity, so we have nudge units and behavioural insights teams etc.
Fear breeds and feeds control breeds and feeds fear.

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Hattie
Hattie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I am surprised how regularly the term anti-vaxxer is thrown around on this site, it seems somewhat of a contradiction to use such a term when most of us oppose being considered tin foil hat weirdos because of the views we hold. What is the definition of an anti- vaxxer as so many claim not to be one – surely there is no set definition but is open to interpretation (and that’s the point) and as such is not a useful or fair term. If I had children, I would vaccinate them for measles, mumps and rubella as separate injections, but never a combined MMR, the assault on a young immune system seems excessive and why would a government make it difficult to access separate vaccines. Does that make me an anti-vaxer ( not sure why 2 x in vaxxer, maybe makes it look more sinister) or someone who has enough sense to question.
I feel starting a sentence with ‘I am not anti-vaccine’ is an apology for the statement about to be made and undermines the argument, similar to those who feel they have to state I am not racist, before presenting a well supported argument on illegal migration.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

I’m not anti-vaccine but
despite being very pleased to have been vaccinated against Polio, TB and the rest I would agree that my own immune system (boosted by multiple exposure to all and sundry over the past nine months) is likely to afford much more protection than Pfizer.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Having been vaccinated against TB Polio Smallpox Diphtheria and Measles I consider I’ve had all the important vaccinations so I will not be having the Covid vaccine or flu vaccines either. I’ve never had the flu despite commuting to London for over 30 years, my immune system must be doing something right.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

It is worth wondering if this Pfizer vaccine can defeat the protection that you were given with your previous one. Could they clash?

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Those who have to openly kneel to the narrative seek to ward off attack thereby.
What have you met regarding the knowing contamination via polio vaccines with SV40 over (if I recall) 25 years. The spreading of polio via polio vaccines and the shenanigans around polio’s definitions, media blitz, vaccine funding drive, and the shifting of diagnostic and testing procedures to make problems ‘go away’ – as in under the carpet?

If you researched Polio you would never have took the covid bait. Or HIV AIDS for that matter.
Cures for polio were ignored, blindsided. The issue was toxic exposure not contagion.
http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

While I take your point, to me an anti-vaxxer is somebody who will not have ANY vaccination, for ethical, religious or personal reasons.

The government takes anti-vaxxer to mean anti Covid vax. Those of us who begin a sentence with “I’m not anti-vax but” are reinforcing the former meaning above, not the latter.

I’ve had lots of vaccinations, but won’t touch any of the Covid ones until the safety cards are available, together with the various data to prove them as safe as is practicably possible. I fail to understand why taking precautions is considered anti-vax.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

It’s government psychops, labelling us as trouble makers, it was the same with voting to Leave the EU being labelled as racists and isolationists, exactly the same M. O.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I agree.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I suppose I could be labelled anti because I will never have another vaccine in my life. Other people can have as many as they want. I previously didn’t travel to countries that required a vaccine (but agreed with the requirement – it just put me off going.) I had a small number of vaccines as a child but am old enough to have had the diseases of measles and mumps. I first refused a vaccine at age 14 (Rubella) because I didn’t think I needed it, as didn’t want children. I refused Hep B when I went to work at Broadmoor. I didn’t think the risk was sufficient, and had recently heard a very good programme on Radio 4 which discussed the small but potentially very severe risks of that vaccine, talking to several people who had been injured by it. Those were the days, when they had balanced and intelligent reporting on the BBC. It was another world, for sure.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Panic and mass hysteria from the politicians are not good traits are they?

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Or is necessary for a disease that has killed 377 people under 60 without significant comorbidities.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Numbers eh!.
As the Virus has killed 377 Brits with no known preconditions in the past 11 months, how many have been killed on 737’s?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m not anti-chemicals, but it doesn’t mean I play “catch” with nitro-glycerine.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Brilliant!

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

For me, above all it is because of the coercion lurking on the horizon. We allow that now and we enter into a new era of state surveillance

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Exactly. We should be highly suspicious of a rushed and untested vaccine but also be wary of its red-herring properties.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

if i was such a entity – i wouldn’t be! For i require the vaxxer to provide evidence to support such a by passing of immunity for toxic injections of unproven benefit but inevitable undermining of what they claim to boost.
It is not enough for authority figures and celebrities to SAY things to make them true.
So likewise I don’t use ANY weaponised speech that frames life and freedom to ask real questions as some kind of ‘terrorism’ – including the redefinition of terrorism.

The precautionary principle as I value it is not to implement something new if there is reasonable doubt as to its safety or worth until it can be tested.
Vaccines are not allowed to be tested.
They use the term placebo but it means an existing vaccine.

If you are too frightened to investigate the so called anti vax views is that not exactly WHY to take of the masking blinkers and look?
RFK jrs CHD site is balanced. He never says anything he isn’t willing to be sued for.

Maybe the issue isn’t the vaccines but the mindset of sacrifice to idols.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

there is a fundamental difference between tried and tested vaccines against diseases that can be really harmful and / or cause life changing illnesses and those that are untested and intended to cure a disease which in most cases is not life changing.

Like most people i had all the jabs as a kid, as did my kids. .. . However i only had the flu jab once – a few years ago… and never bothered since as it was pointless. As is covid vaccine for most people .

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

I’ll certainly be keeping my head down until there is a lot more data available concerning these “vaccines”. Maybe next year (ie 2022), or the one after.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Apart from the obvious concerns about it being rushed and political, my fundamental problem with the vaccine is as follows.

Let’s say it works really well and “saves lives” – we will move on and people will think the vaccine saved the planet from eternal lockdown, and that the next “pandemic” we should take the same approach.

In reality it will be hard to tell how well it works, given that the way countries count covid “cases” and “covid deaths” is so unclear and generally political, and we’ve already seen scientists talking about how lots of people need to be vaccinated to reduce “infections” (dubious positive PCR tests) – surely the point of a vaccine is to stop people getting ill

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I agree. The problem with the vaccine is that it will encourage people to believe that “locking down until we have a vaccine” is a rational approach to the next epidemic. I’m already reading articles explaining how the moderna approach might mean that we can produce a vaccine almost instantly when a new virus is identified. This distracts from the disaster and shouldn’t be let lie.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

I refuse to accept a medical procedure the primary purpose of which is to enable the regime to save face politically. The regime should be humiliated, and it is in the national interest that it is. If the regime – by which I mean more than just Johnson and Starmer – comes out of this smelling of roses, I think we have a dark future ahead of us.

The phrase in vogue is ‘systemic failure,’ but in this case the better description is ‘constitutional failure.’

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Excellent comment.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

The inadequacy of the ‘constitution’ has been evident for a long time. Unfortunately, there never has been, even now, any majority impetus for reform.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Well said. We should not legitimise their nonsense and their failure, if anything they should be punished when all of this is over as to avoid a repeat of this whole shit show.

And its not just the government and MPs who should pay but each and every institution that aided and abetted this nonsense.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

The flu vaccine has never been about saving your life. As far as I can see, it’s always been a public health measure to ‘save the NHS’ during ‘winter pressures’ on the clearly inadequate system (on international comparisons). The ease with which flu deaths have become covid deaths shows how little tested flu there has actually been, with flu on death certs clearly a catch-all for ‘some untested for nasty seasonal virus death in a frail elderly patient’

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

The stats for ‘flu deaths’ are no more real than covid deaths.
Yes there are deaths associated with respiratory disease complications but viral testing is not required (at least not for end of life deaths with co mordibities etc) and the vaccination agenda owns the PR machinery in public and private spheres.
There is very little independent science on the flu or any other vaccination in terms outside the minimum required to claim effectiveness.
So death by all causes can be used to ensure that for example flu vax doesn’t simply drive recipients to other respiratory vectors such as corona.
I have seen evidence that the strain vaccinated can be worse the following year.
I have no basis to trust the people and corporations pushing the biological and pharmaceutical agenda, excepting the pursuit of profit and the means to capture and protect revenue streams.

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alw
alw
4 years ago

A lot of pressure coming for those over 70 to be vaccinated as they are elderly. Well both the husband and I are in our early 70’s. Neither of us have any underlying health problems or are on any medication. We are fit and healthy and lead an active life and do not consider ourselves elderly. There are very many like us and who have the same mindset.

We are refusing to have what is called “the vaccination” because we consider it to not be one, it is yet to be proved whether it will make any difference or not to a virus which is now endemic throughout the world and for which over 99% survive. We would prefer to have an antibody test to see whether we already have immunity. Have talked to a number of Doctor friends who whilst not saying so many seem to question the efficacy of the vaccine.

Despite the continuous exhortations from the offspring, at the current time we will not be having “the vaccination”. We prefer to take our chances, we are not selfish and will not be hoodwinked by the politicalisation of the virus.

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Hattie
Hattie
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

My father in law is in his 80s and very active – mentally and physically. Unfortunately he bowed to pressure, had the vaccine and is now suffering from bad flu symptoms and taken to his bed.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

Which is one reason a very large proportion of health professionals refuse the normal winter flu vaccine.

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

My great aunt lived till 103. She lived in a care home, was compos mentis until the last 18 months of her life and always refused the flu jab. Meanwhile all those around her who did have the jab, succumbed despite having it.

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Louieg
Louieg
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Well done you! My partner is in his seventies and no medications at all. Apart from ex builders arthritis he’s fit and healthy and also refuses to have the vaccine or the flu vaccine! We are lone sceptics here in our village!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

It is only a ‘vaccine’ down Alice’s looking hole where a word can mean anything they want it to mean.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

An antibody test does not prove immunity, particularly if you have prior immunity, eg T-cell immunity. Unless you are in very regular contact with your doctor, I’d just keep your heads down and burn the letters.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

I don’t want an antibody test either. In fact I’m staying clear of the NHS. I trust my immune system I do not trust the government nor the NHS. They’ve killed any trust I had this year.

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Me too…

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Add me to the list of over 70s who will refuse it…

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Well – I’m in the over-70 category that definitely doesn’t want Covid.

But I would prefer to make my own risk assessment and act accordingly, rather than listen to anything that this bunch of snake-oil salesmen tell me about the incidence of SARS-2, or trust to a patently undertested concoction that is driven by financial gain.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

These so called vaccines will almost certainly be intentionally harmful and should be resisted at all costs.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

I should say that the DM is apart from the Sun the most read weekly paper and the MOS, I would say is the most popular Sunday one ( I welcome any corrections).
What mystifies me is for quite a while now there has been countless sceptical articles by journalists,scientists, medical people, lawyers and a retired high court judge in these two papers but still the majority of our people refuse to countenance any other ways to deal with Covid other than the complete and utter destruction of our country as dictated by our politicians and so called experts
Any ideas why this is so?

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Hattie
Hattie
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Look at the response to the Labour guy who pointed out a factual statement about the 377 deaths from Covid – seems people can’t tolerate the truth.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

The SS – 77th Brigade – is always lurking to try to destroy sceptics, but never add anything to the discussion.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

There is an underlying ‘narrative’ that has to be protected because its premise is that it either protects you or is in the protecting the Earth from human environmental evil, or is providing the gravy train that others pay in sickness, poverty and early death, for the ‘eaters’ to ride over the ‘meat’.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Unless the DM/MOS commentariat are some strange self selected minority of Sceptics I feel inclined to the opposite view.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

MSM is the consistent. — whilst sceptical articles and opinions are regularly shown (they cannot really shut up their columnists), the editorial narrative is still total propaganda. So looking at my papers this morning headlines are both re vaccines are going to save us all.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

I’m not convinced the majority ARE in favour of the regressive and repressive measures imposed by governments. But the majority are prevented from meeting to discuss these issues and only get the MSM to keep them company.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I agree that has been the intention all along to stifle debate by any means possible. These people are evil.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

The thing is that the Fear factor dominates everything.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Although they do indeed include such articles they are usually accompanied with the words ‘controversial view’ or ‘personal opinion’ which implies the official government rhetoric is right and the contributions of such people like Lord Sumption, John Lee and even Peter Hitchens are there just to placate the ‘doubters’. The Daily Mail has been quite underhand in a lot of its coverage, seeming to have a foot in both camps at times trying to guage how the wind blows. Overall, I would say it is a pro-lockdown publication and just pretends on occasions to question the government but its heart isn’t really in it and is quite enjoying the situation as it is.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Unprecedented relentless global propaganda and censorship from almost every world government, TV station, newspaper, celebrity, social media platform, public health body, institution – people simply cannot process the fact that so many people and organisations across the world could simultaneously get things so terribly wrong

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

If you listen to what comes back at you from someone who has swallowed the narrative, this is a massively important factor.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

They haven’t,they are being paid to lie.The Government were the biggest spenders in advertising for the first 5 months of this crisis

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

I was about to make the same observation.

Gates buys Media.JPG
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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

In April the Chancellor announced that the country faced it’s biggest economic crisis in 300 years

He has since doubled down twice on his great furlough delusion

He might have spared a moment to look at what occurred 300 years previously

What he would have discovered was the great South Sea Bubble fraud

In an exercise in mass hysteria the whole economic future of the country and individuals was invested in worthless joint stock companies

Financial ruin was visited upon the land

My favourite tale of the time is people investing in a joint stock company titled

‘For carrying out an undertaking of great advantage; but nobody to know what it is’

The Chancellor has invested the future of this country in a joint stock company titled pandemic

Suspect the outcome will be the same

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

At least it wasn’t bloody tulips.

Mark Carney gave the Reith lectures two weeks ago. Discussing Isaac Newton being taken for a ride with the South Sea Bubble.

“Quite often things occur that seem to make no sense. This is because they do not make any sense. If you see something that seems to make no sense, don’t invest – run away”. MC

Lockdown as a response to Covid makes no sense.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

He could just as well be talking about himself, the Global Action Plan and Climate Change. It makes no sense, run away. Do not invest.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Unless you are the prison staff.

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Hattie
Hattie
4 years ago

Ferguson’s statement must be one of the chilling so far since this debacle began. If people still can’t see this virus response was an act of experimental control of populations after this, then they are beyond stupid, or rsther mindless . As an applied linguist I am particularly interested in his comment that they didn’t think they could get away with it, but then found they could Now when did you ‘get away’ with doing something good, benign, beneficial etc. – this phrase has only negative and usually law breaking connotations. So, now we have complied with this evil, we have emboldened the power structure of governments. So what next, as they are now so enthused by China’s model – political prisoners, torture, executions, forced sterilisation – they must all be salivating at the prospect.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

I am convinced he lacks the basic social skills (suspect he is on the autistic spectrum somewhere) to understand the gravitas of his thoughts and decisions. He thinks in graphs and models.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Worse, he thinks in graphs and models that are wrong, based on incorrect assumptions.

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Worse than that, I don’t think he really thinks, he reacts reflexively and then defends his position

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

I think he reacts to his paymaster.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

He is, in fact, a very stupid individual, and the stupid are dangerous if given power.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I think Camus says that good intentions can be as dangerous as bad deeds if ill-informed (or similar). He goes on to say, for this reason, that ignorance is the biggest vice.

Last edited 4 years ago by Tom Blackburn
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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Belief that you know is active ignorance

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Ferguson is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, who is a generous benefactor of Imperial. No doubt he is also saying what the government wants to hear as well.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

Been saying that since April, they were amazed at what the public would put up with and had to speed up the introduced of further inanities just to keep up.

And don’t forget the organ harvesting.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’ve already declined giving my organs to the NHS. Their assumption that my organs belonged to them was a step too far.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Same. Ironic, as I had been coming round to the idea of donation, but the only way to protest against the state claiming ownership of my body is to opt out.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

I studied the death penalty as part of an MA in Criminology. Amnesty collect figures world wide on the numbers of all countries’ citizens put to death by their heads of state, and the only country they could not collect figures from was China. And they were not even able to make a rough estimate.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

My biggest problem is how can this dick keep saying this shit and nobody challenges his. One interview on the BBC with him and any of the proper scientists like Mike Yeardon, or Dr Lee or Prof Gupta and his whole bullshit world would come crashing down. But why has this not happened? There has been zero debate just junk politicians and advisors spouting bullshit and not one dissenting voice.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

There are plenty of dissenting voices but the British Bullshitting Service isn’t going to let them be heard.

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago

https://www.aier.org/article/who-deletes-naturally-acquired-immunity-from-its-website/

For anyone who missed the WHO removing mention of natural immunities from its website this article by Jeffrey A Tucker provides the screenshots from June 9th and November 13.

”It is thoroughly unscientific – shilling for the vaccine industry in exactly the way the conspiracy theorists say that the WHO has been doing since the beginning of the pandemic”

“ What’s even more strange is the claim that a vaccine protects people from a virus rather than exposing them to it. What’s amazing about this claim is that a vaccine works precisely by firing up the immune system through exposure. …….This has been known for centuries. There is simply no way for medical science completely to replace the human immune system. It can only game it via what used to be called inoculation. “

An amazing example to use to persuade anyone who cannot see how the political industry and Big Pharma are intwined

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

Until all this nonsense big Pharma we’re having a hard time and lo and behold the virus gifted them opportunities beyond their wildest dreams.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

The other thing to note is that he same strategy was used to ramp up swine ‘flu.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Which led to the seed companies gaining yet more control over our food supply ….

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2020-12-26/concerns-grow-fo-new-strain-of-covid-19-in-dumfries-and-galloway

‘Concerns grow for new strain of Covid-19 in Dumfries and Galloway’

Just as the vaccine bandwagon grinds on, suddenly a new sales pitch.

“It’s now more important than ever that everyone follows the national directions, including the FACTS guidance around wearing face coverings, hand hygiene, physical distancing and social interaction, and crucially around immediately self-isolating and arranging for a COVID test if we experience symptoms of the coronavirus, however mild.” 

It’s at least something that they don’t mention the salvation elixir. But they will.

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

‘ however mild’ shows the level of desperation. A sniffle? In winter too how uncommon.

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Waldorf
Waldorf
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

I usually have a bout of cold or the flu in the autumn, probably caused by the change in temperatures. Sometimes there is a repeat in spring. This year, nothing like that so far. Maybe lockdowns have prevented it but at what cost? I have certainly been psychologically worse this year than usual.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

same here. Noticed that strepsils and lemsip were on special offer for the first time ever.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Waldorf

Buy pine tar gum. Or, go to the country, tear off the sap from pine trees and chew it.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Refuse, refuse, refuse. Let the testing meatgrinder fall silent and still.

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Hattie
Hattie
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

The new strain … Why do people not question how on earth they know it is the new strain when the the PCR merely gives a negative or positive, no test determines the ‘strain’. 10 days ago Covid 19 was rampant, now old Covid appears to have disappeared.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

The flu season has been hijacked by Covid, no one catches the flu anymore, the pity is most of the general public don’t seem to realise what is happening. I think something has been put in the water supply that fogs their brains.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  Hattie

I think Wancock stated something about Porton Down Lab working on this. Now, as soon as I heard Porton Down I knew it was a load of rubbish just to keep Tier 4. They were heavily involved in the Skripal pack of lies – which is a lot like this now – lie, on lie on lie and ridiculous ones at that.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Is this another version of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus that Wancock is trying to scare us with?

Are they getting desperate or what?

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Similarly to when someone has been arrested but not yet faced trial and their crime has to legally be described as ‘alleged’ in media the mutant strain should have to be described as ‘allegedly more contagious’ until someone can provide actual data that can be verifiued to prove that it is.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

That Nicola Huh. Always has to have from for herself.

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MikeMayUK
MikeMayUK
4 years ago

“According to a Daily Mail poll, 85% of Britons complied with the rules.”

Have you complied with the latest lockdown rules?

Yes. After a fashion. I mean, I have a vague awareness that there ARE rules and I was careful not to damage them as I drove around them. |_|

No, I want puppies and kittens and babies to die. |_|

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeMayUK

I ignore all polls just as I do any government announcements.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeMayUK

It’s hard not to-you can’t shop in closed shops or drink in closed pubs.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeMayUK

plenty of traffic round here on Christmas day-hardly a sign of compliance

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Christmas morning traffic on the M25 and M40 pretty normal for a Christmas morning… as I escaped the tier 4 gulag to illegally visit my parents and sister sans the credulous fool to whom I am married, and who has started recently whining on about how he is in the ‘high risk’ category, being a little over 50!! And slightly overweight…

Last edited 4 years ago by HelzBelz
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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Tell them to go in a bloody diet.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

God help you if he gets a slight sniffle!

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeMayUK

Do you think 1. Anybody knows all the rules and 2. Anyone is going to admit they broke the rules. Personally I broke most of them, but do people trust if the confess the old bill might be knocking at your door after your confession?

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Darling there is someone at the door……..

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago

I note the fear porn is being ramped up again, based on “cases”. These bastards need lining up against a wall and shooting. I was originally inclined to restrict the total to eight (Johnson, Gove, Hancock, Sturgeon, Drakeford, Whitty, Vallance, Dick), but we may as well shoot the lot while we’re at it.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Either they are all unbelievable stupid and short sighted or they have been sucked into some megalomaniac power trip that this virus hoo-haa has given them a taste for and they are now addicted and like any addict cannot give it up.
If you see a beginner steering a boat it lurches from port to starboard and back as they overcorrect on the tiller, an experienced boatman knows how much of a gently nudge on the tiller will keep the boat on line. The clowns we have in charge of UK Public Health policy and action are like putting a toddler in charge of steering the Isle of Wight ferry and ending up swamped in the bay of Biscay.
To my mind the only factor that can ever justify real dramatic Public Health action is the total registered death figure, this did have an unprecedented leap in April/May and fair enough, we took unprecedented action but when it went down the powers that be had become addicted and could not give up and we have suffered pointless damage ever since as they try and control the uncontrollable.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Megalomaniacs boosting their own egos were always going to float to surface like turds once Public Health came to trump my health or your health.
The most radical stage of the French Revolution came under

The Committee Of Public Safety.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

They have only ever been trying to control the populace – and it’s worked for an alarming percentage.

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Robin Birch
Robin Birch
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Def would add the Chris Hopson of NHS Providers to your list

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Gimme a gun. Gimme.
Or, as Gimli would put it, ‘Give me an axe and a row of Welsh Coronastalinist necks and all weariness will fall from me.’

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Oh prof pantsdown is top of my list, ALL of sage, and that moronic Devi bitch in Scotland, a special death from a thousand cuts for dem bastard.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1342926294523248641

This is an updated twitterthread about LFR and testing the truckers.According to Yeadon the rate of pos is in the range of FP for LFT which is quite low.
Yesterday I posted a comment that even if these were true positives this did not indicate a pandemic virus spreading but a low frequecy endemic virus with mild symptoms and not any asymptomatic carriage.
The house of cards of mass testing with PCR must fall. LFR must replace it as it seems to catch the infectious virus (those less than Ct 25).

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Sorry LFT

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Like everything else with this hoo-haa the powers that be will never admit a mistake or acknowledge the need for a change. The House of Lords and the Parliamentary Health committee have proved totally ineffective at challenging Gruppenfuhrer Hancocks wild and maniacal Dr Strangelove approach to Public Health policy.
So much of this hoo-haa has exposed the shortcomings in our National Life but will we learn or do anything about it?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

But the political rationale is to persist with PCR.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago

Two experiences yesterday that demonstrates how far the brainwashing is really going:

  1. Mr Bart and I went for a Boxing Day walk round Hampstead. There was a fair number of people about especially as the cafes were open for takeaway. We have to shake our head at the number of people muzzled up in the Great Outdoors!! There must be really something about this that even supposedly well educated people can fall for this. That said, won’t be surprised if Hampstead is Lockdowinsta central given the population that are fairly affluent and have not really been affected by this shit show.
  2. Evening – watched the Royal Opera House Christmas concert which was an enjoyable hour and a half of performances from their singers and chorus. The only thing that ruined it for us were the musicians in the string and percussion sectors (save for 1-2 who I suspect are exempt) all muzzled up with one even wearing 2 muzzles (or has sellotaped his nose)!!! As Mr Bart has said it made the whole concert depressing and he was relieved when the camera was focusing on the performers or the wind musicians, even the conductor.

We’re reaching the conclusion that if this becomes more common we will boycott any future streamed performaces and simply travel back in time via YouTube and archive performances.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The Covid makes an exemption for woodwind players ? How sweet.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It’s a very intelligent virus 😉

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Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Just a look, though, not a rational argument in response.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Glad you’ve been busy!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Sounds as if the cameraman felt like you!

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optocarol
optocarol
4 years ago

Felt the need for some light relief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A
Yes, minister – always good for that.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago

They reckon the Oxford vaccine will be approved next week;
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13579656/covid-vaccine-oxford-approval-next-week/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly
I cannot say I am personally very keen but I guess on the plus side it could lead to pressure to relax some of the restrictions. From what I hear there will be a good number of people queing up to get it, hopefully so many that they will not notice I am missing from the queue.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Nothing says Happy New Year more than Pathogenic Priming.

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Me too.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Why would they relax any of the restrictions given the supine surrender of most people thus far ?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I guess in the coming months we’ll find out whether the government have any interest at all in an exit strategy

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It is clear all of this will not end with a vaccine; they have said as much. This is societal-level restructuring towards a more ‘inclusive’ system.

Last edited 4 years ago by jb12
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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Hopefully that will wake more people given many are pining their hopes on a vaccine to end all restrictions. Once they realise that it ain’t gonna happen that way plus with a trashed economy, I think that could be where the shit hits the fan.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I am less optimistic. People will believe whatever they are told to.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Sadly I think you are right, because the majority of people simply cannot think.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  charleyfarley

I’m reminded of the smaller chocolate bars, propagandised as being bigger in Orwell’s 1984.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Agree with this and I’ve long given up trying to wake them up.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I can imagine that more redundancies and bankruptcies and coming in January. Mr Bart doesn’t think that many of the shops and restaurants forced to close in December will survive into the New Year.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Inclusive=Totalitarian.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The vaccine is not the end but the beginning.Tied to digital / health passport it is the end of freedom.The government will know where you are and what you are doing at all times.
They have already said it won’t be the end of social distancing,masks etc.
This is the new normal they promised us.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

There was a thread of comments on my Nextdoor feed of people complaining they were not included in the first batch of vaccine dished out by a local surgery.
I considered posting something warning of the dangers but then I thought let them. They are gone.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

A higher than usual number of attacks on Sussex police over Christmas. I seem to recall Peter Hitchens warning that the government is creating widespread disrespect and disregard for the laws, a situation which is in many ways as bad as totalitarianism. https://www.rt.com/uk/510822-sussex-police-16-assaulted-christmas/

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

That’s good to hear, I’m fully in favour of people taking their lives back from these b’stards by whatever means necessary.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I suspect that there are many people who will never co-operate with the police again after their disgusting behaviour this year. And rightly so.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I’m one of them, for starters.They aren’t police hereabout, they’re Stalinist thugs.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Not just the police. Any form of authority in fact. Any at all.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I avoid them like the plague now. Especially if they’re wearing masks, I cross the street to avoid them and don’t respond to any police officer who says hello to me.I’ve become suspicious of them being “friendly” and think they have an ulterior motive.

Last edited 4 years ago by Bart Simpson
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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I am going to make a plea for police officers.

I know some have behaved appallingly, and many have not behaved well. But I know of others who refuse to wear a mask, and have views on the Rona Reaction that are the same as opinions you might read here. I can believe the rumours aired here that off-duty officers were among those arrested at the last big march in London. Certainly there must be many who are in sympathy with the protesters.

We are going to have to live together as a society after this, and the Police do vital work. Not all officers have failed in their duty, even if some have. I will continue to smile and say good morning.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

If the police were playing busybody, they have none of my sympathy whatsoever. They could have chosen to sit in their cars eating doughnuts, like the good old-normal days.

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Weird. 12 in W Sussex, 4 in Brighton & Hove.

Which means we in sunny E Sussex are good boys & girls. 🙂

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

Oh for fuck’s sake!:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55456795

‘Covid: EU launches mass vaccination in ‘touching moment of unity’’

‘The EU has so far reported more than 335,000 Covid-related deaths.’

The key word as always is ‘related’. A weasel word which could mean anything really.

Can’t wait to see the Left version of this. No doubt it will be something about how humanity can always pull together when a real crisis arrives. Especially now that Covid Max has arrived.

Ursula von der Leyen, president of the EU commission tweets, ‘Vaccination is the lasting way out of the pandemic.’ Such is the cheery riff for the moment. Personally I think this calls for a re-shoot of that old Coke commercial about teaching the world to sing (Coke after all being the perfect face for Covid since it always tests positive.)

And as if to confirm that message of jubilation:

‘German Health Minister Jens Spahn said on Saturday: “This really is a happy Christmas message. At this moment, lorries with the first vaccines are on the road all over Europe, all over Germany, in all federal states. Further deliveries will follow the day after tomorrow. This vaccine is the crucial key for defeating the pandemic. It’s the key for us getting back our lives.”’

‘Italian Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio urged his compatriots to get the jabs. “We’ll get our freedom back, we’ll be able to embrace again,” he said.’

I’d like to buy the world a vax
And furnish it with love etc.

Last edited 4 years ago by George Mc
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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

and so everyone can have nice clean carpets and upholstery

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Matt must be so proud to have got ‘Our Vaccine’ out first.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

It’s the Real Thing.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

Morning all. Although Christmas was always going to be rubbish this year for me it was nice just to have one day without propaganda.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Isn’t that the truth. I don’t watch televised news or read newspapers so am spared quite a lot of it fortunately. I’m better for it too.

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Hester
Hester
4 years ago

Just to say regarding the piece on Neil Ferguson and his admiration for China, please note that at Imperial at least one of his research groups he is a member of one into Arboviruses is sponsored by Bill and Melinda Gates. Huge advocates of Lockdown and enforced vaccintions and tracking of the individual. I haven’t investigated any further yet but I suspect much of Mr Fergusons financing for his”work” is from other Lockdown fanatics with lots of money

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

The fact he was never sacked proves the government is fully on board!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Lockdowns, they’ll only win when its raining

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John
John
4 years ago

I suspect that there will be little change to the tiers on Wednesday due to the little issue of the U.K./EU Trade agreement which is up for debate on the same day. Unless, the decision is devolved to Whitty et al.

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
4 years ago

Wow…we’re all still here even after this new mutant strain of DEATH!

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

I’m pinching myself, yes I’m still alive as well!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

Gosh

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

Yes after 9 months of not wearing a zombie mask, not antisocially distancing and ignoring the rules we are still here. Anybody would think the whole thing was a massive hoax which only the gullible believed in.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

I feel a little bit dead today but due to the virus that is single malt whisky.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Be careful not to spread it.
It’s expensive.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

Yeah can’t believe it. I don’t wear a mask, don’t sanitise, don’t social distance, go out a lot and I’m still standing.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago

Love that cartoon! Funnily enough we watched the Snowman on Christmas Day! We will definitely be breaking open the champagne New Year’s Eve and toasting the back of this year. The government stole this year from us I won’t let them steal the next one! They can stick their Build Back Better where the sun don’t shine along with their vaccine !

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Anyone see any Happy Vaccination cards yet?

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

There are lots of cringeworthy GIFs you can send to a recipient of your choice
https://giphy.com/search/happy-vaccination

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

How about this one

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Took time to look at the responses to Paul Emberys tweet. Just when you think we have a chance of winning the argument it leaves me deflated.

One example is one person mention the extremely broad categorisation of Covid deaths. PCR positive etc. Some people answer this with “Source?” or “Really? That does not sound right”

Living under a rock being fed their news by the BBC

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Yes I find this. Basically if not in the BBC news it’s not a credible source do they won’t read it.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

And if you quote a source it gets taken down. Well that’s a winnable argument.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

77th?

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Source? He clearly stated they’re official NHS stats. Fuckin source? I’m all up for a de-population exercise alright.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago

Just watching “The World At War” on Yesterday Channel. Doesn’t Arthur Seyss-Inquart sound like Bill Gates? Just thought I’d mention it…

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Enough to make you believe in reincarnation.
Stalin is, of course, reincarnate as Mark Dungford, having first spent a purgative period as a slug.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I think being reborn as Mark Dungford is purgatory enough.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

A slug is certainly higher up the Great Chain of Being.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

And better looking and less slimy!

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Send Mark slug gifs.

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peteupnorth
peteupnorth
4 years ago

Save the country 

Stop covid deaths

Do not get tested

please feel free to copy and paste the above.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  peteupnorth

There’s been little mention of all the folk in March/April who caught the Plague and then simply went to bed for a few days. Of course, they’ve never been counted, but add those to the ones who were known about, and I daresay it would show that a huge number of people have ”had it” and are now immune.

(As an example, I am sure that my next door neighbours ”had it” in April. They don’t think so, because they seem to believe that if you ”get it” then you end up in hospital. Having said that, they’re not of the Terminally Terrified brigade. They just get on with life.)

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  peteupnorth

I didn’t think the issue was which test is the best-more like which one is appropriate for a given circumstance

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

I found this terrible depressing and frustrating:

  • “Back to Normal, Save Lives” – If you want to get involved in a grass roots campaign, contact this group and ask them to send you some of their leaflets to deliver

I have huge respect for these people, but surely by now some rich business people should have clubbed together to fund a campaign that would deliver weekly leaflets to every household in the UK, ads on social media and TV and in the papers, etc.

Where is the equivalent of “Vote Leave”, or “Vote Remain”?

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes I’ve wondered this too. I concluded that the organisations capable of setting up such a campaign are in fact fully supportive of the massive social experiment in which we find ourselves.

We did get a leaflet through our door a couple of months back – not sure who was behind it but it was good, lots of facts and data. My Covidarian husband refused to even look at it. So I concluded that leafleting is pointless – if you’ve made up your mind that lockdowns are the answer, no facts or truths will change it at this stage.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

I don’t think anything is pointless. If propaganda didn’t work, no-one would do it. If governments thought people were on board, they would not keep up the relentless barrage.

It’s a mountain to climb because of the incredible volume of lies that need to be counteracted, global lies, with fear as the magic ingredient. And the enemy have a head start.

On our side we have human social instinct, economic self-interest and the truth and the facts.

Public companies are probably afraid to speak up for fear of upsetting shareholders and regulators, but there are some rich, prominent sceptics – Simon Dolan (who has made tremendous efforts), Luke Johnson, Hugh Osmond, Tim Martin, Rocco Forte, Elon Musk I suppose

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Where propaganda works, the mind is not working.
Engaging in propaganda war is to lose your mind to a polarised narrative identity – set against ‘whatever’.

Awakening the mind to that it is a mind and not a shaped narrative identity, is the communication of equals – for minds are in communication only there.

To meet another in worth and shared value is to extend it because you have it.
The ‘serpent in the Garden’ represents the propaganda of self-lack, doubt and perverted desire. Deceits take over the mind in its own spin as the mutually reinforcing ‘identity’ set apart or distanced from all Relationship, in fear of pain of penalty and loss for te resulting lockdown to physical limits and broken and denied communication, hidden only by the asserting of the mask of both figleaves and thorns.
But WHO told you you were naked?
is the Thought God gives as the stirring of our own capacity to discern and recognise truth from fictions that may be given priority as if true,and reacted to, suffered and died in as real.
This need not be.

But the willingness to question is not IN the mind-spin of a masking identity.
So addressing another by that name is to feed the mask in them – and in yourself, because, its takes one to know one.

Tune into your heart, and note that your problems will want priority and perhaps deny the heart except as can be filtered and fitted to the demands of war against evils. If you need to use another to work out your problems upon, they will not recognise an extension of love, but the imposition of demands.

Questioning in the mind is always some form of circular self-reinforecment, but a true question is not propaganda that states its predicate as the frame an answer must then fit. The heart and mind work together as one or they are not really working at all, for each will deny the other.

Education in recognising propaganda and deceit, is of our own willingness to question our own presumptions, definitions and core beliefs. One could say it is a program running, or a ‘normal’ of subconscious learning, that operates automatically to mask over and support a mutually supported sense of self and world that is already distanced, locked down and ruled by narrative dictates, only the reiteration of this at this time offers a means to recognise the pattern.

There is a world and reality that is truly shared and not merely a shared way of thinking and looking at it from a bubble of distancing set in control and fear of loss. But propaganda operates to deny truth for the necessity of conflict, war and division, without which a private mind will be undone of hiding in darkness.

The beliefs to which the mind clings are its seeming protections. The basis for questioning has to be from an instant of connection. If I attempt to draw on sympathies or leverage fear as antipathies, I cannot simply be the expression of an already present humanity.

While I might THINK I know what is needed in the current situation, I am moved in the heart to recognise that an awakening at the heart is freedom to accept, and that this choice cannot be thrust on another or wilfully enacted myself.

So whatever you do, look to the way and the spirit of the why and what for of the doing. The witness for a love of life and of Humanity can express and share through simple acts in which we have learned to get out of our own way.

The old ‘normal’ is by definition recast by the new conditions – which are of fear and control. But our recognition of these is our freedom to choose not to align or accept this and to reach within for a new expression and witness for the original nature or the free natural – which is not dog eat dog, but a willingness of giving and receiving by which truth aligns our relationships, interactions and exchanges.

If you cannot extend a true presence you can learn from the experience.
If we meeat hate with hate and lies with lies, what good can come of it once its moment of personal fantasy gratification is spent?

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

OFCOM will ban any TV adverts as against the guidlines introduced in March April…

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

Yes, it would be very hard to do something that didn’t get banned, but not impossible

Some graphs based on NHS/ONS data

Some speeches from sceptic MPs in parliament

I’m sure something could get through

Worth a try

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

But they won’t ban this:

https://www.wisdomkeepers.net/

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

Mark Windows June 2019:
GLOBALIST “SHAMANS” OF GAIA
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VKy-sn0KY_4/

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

One doesn’t stay rich if one swims against the flow, Julian.

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

Covid isn’t a virus but the name for a new society which requires constant masking and distancing. That the mighty absolving vax will not change anything whatsoever has already been declared by the media priests who have already brazenly declared that even the inoculated will still be too unclean to bare their faces. Social distancing will also continue since face to face groups are the greatest threats to the sacred COVID scripture. The media will also continue to relay moral instruction pieces that expose the retribution meted out to COVID deniers, edifying warning sermons.

Any who persist in the blasphemy of asking the wrong questions will be ambushed by the designated Left who now act as the newly instated revolutionary council to preside over a ‘post-capitalist’ world.

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John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Politically immune … or medically immune because of a good diet and vitamin D?

Don’t forget, Anthony Fauci takes 6,000 IU per day of supplemental vitamin D. The elite might know that the middle-aged or elderly need this much when the sun doesn’t shine.

It took me years to realise this point. I was too trusting of the authorities. The NHS advises us somewhat patronisingly to consider taking 400 IU per day. Before about 2016 it said that we got all we needed from sunshine and a good diet.

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Albert
Albert
4 years ago

Tony Blair, speaking with Neil Fergusson . . .

“One of the huge problems we have in the UK is compliance has dropped”

“How far are the public prepared to go to accept tough surveillance?”

For me? Not a inch.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Albert

No chance at all. Tried that, it failed. Back to where we were and start over.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Albert

Blair and Ferguson – experts only in the skills required to manufacture fake evidence and make disastrous decisions..

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  Albert

What? I haven’t seen the interview but your 2 quotes read as people have stopped complying, for this we will have to go further to ensure they do. Was that the gist?

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Albert
Albert
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

See for yourself.

https://twitter.com/lyne_ian/status/1342905025555619840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1342905025555619840%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.anti-empire.com%2Fneil-ferguson-china-changed-what-was-possible%2F

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  Albert

Thank you. They cannot seriously believe that the virus is as deadly as they continue to tell us yet they are pushing for the totalitarianism of the PRC. As the comments say , this has the Great Reset stamped all over it.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

It’s a big clap clap for China and Lockdown 1 saved half a million lives. We just need to do it properly this time and weld people into their apartment blocks. Maybe a sprinkling of re education camps too.

The whole discussion is sickening on multiple levels.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Albert

Ferguson wasn’t very compliant – travelling all the way across London to shag his bit on the side. Had Tony forgotten?

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Yes, but Prof Pantsdown is not part of ‘the public’!

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

Doh.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Aha, but Pantsdown ‘considered himself immune’. So that was ok then.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

He’s not in London on that video.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I was under the impression that she travelled to him – which makes sense if she’s married.
So he didn’t technically break the “rules”, she did.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Thought I would finish the year the same way I’ve spent the past 9 months, being awkward, so sent the following e-mail to the test kit manufacturer I was in contact with in November:

With reference to our previous e-mail correspondence in November 2020 about the number of cycles to use in RT-PCR test analysis, you said the PHE requirement was for 45 to be used.

On the Government’s website, published mid-October 2020 there is this document:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sars-cov-2-rna-testing-assurance-of-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence/assurance-of-sars-cov-2-rna-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence

In it it says:

Recommended actions

All laboratories should determine the threshold for a positive result at the limit of detection based on the in-use assay.

It is necessary to strike a balance between the risk of false positive test results and an acceptable level of delay in test turnaround time (time taken to report results).

This basically mean that the laboratory is responsible for deciding the number of amplification cycles to run, not the PHE, and research shows that any more than 28-32 is not recommended.

Recently Portugal’s courts has ruled that positive RT-PCR results cannot be used to justify isolation or other restrictions on individuals, there are court cases on-going in Germany that are similar and cases are being prepared in the UK for court cases on the same matter.

I’m guessing this recently published document is Government’s defence and they can blame the testing kit manufacturers such as yourself and testing labs for the “results” and a pandemic based on testing, not a real virus, when the court rules that the RT-PCR tests are being used in such a way they are outwith their recommendations and used in such a way they deliberately increased the number of “positives”.

Feel free to pass this information on to the relevant departments in your company, other test kit manufacturers and laboratories.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Hummmm Awkward…..

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Wow. Great work AG! 🙂

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Very good. Playing them off against one another

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

All hail, AG!

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Skippy
Skippy
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I am in awe of your tenacity and think you should be promoted! Full Awkward Bastard, with bar

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

All is not lost

There is a bright light on the horizon

Tomorrow evening the BBC will be screening live

Dundonald Bluebell v Queen’s Park

In the Scottish FA Cup

Can’t fecking wait

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Dumdonald Celtic West Arsenal Rangers were Cameron’s favourite team.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Real football, like Accrington Stanley v Rochdale.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/asian-countries-that-had-contained-coronavirus-are-hit-by-new-surges-hczqtpvpr (paywall) but you can get the jist that the naughty virus is not being wrestled to the ground/supressed by any of the measures. In other news, tide continues to ebb and flow.

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Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
4 years ago

To study and succeed in medicine you need to be good at rote learning. This has been evident to me recently on meeting colleagues and discussing the vaccination campaign. I am not an anti vaxxer but I do have scepticism about the present mass media campaign in favour of the current vaccines on offer.

My colleagues all repeat like parrots the same line about the need for top secrecy in supply and storage of the vaccine because criminals want to steal it and anti vaxxers want to destroy it .

I just point out the ridiculousness of this. Where does your local crime family have a -70 C freezer and how would they go about undetected with an undercover vaccination program which despite the media campaign has little demand from the healthy population

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

They tried to say the same about Al Qaeda and ISIS making them out to be a sophisticated network of criminals rather than separate groups or individuals with no real links other than a shared common belief or hatred of the West.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

Is this too cynical…?

Once they saw what was possible, what people would actually put up with, they also realised how easy it would be to steal from those very same people.

Also by making them dependant upon the state how would they be able to complain or rise up against the hand that feeds them.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

I remember hearing something at the start of all this where Johnson ‘allegedly’ said ‘ they won’t go for it’

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

Developers of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Tied to UK Eugenics Movement

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/investigative-series/developers-of-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-tied-to-uk-eugenics-movement/

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mikewaite
mikewaite
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Thank you for that post and link . I have bookmarked it so that I can quote the damning paragraphs ( virtually everyone) to my doctor at the appropriate time.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

I am my own social experiment, after 9 months of ignoring everything, even the first time around, when many were in hiding, and we non lockdowners had the place to ourselves, never worn a muzzle etc, I’m still here, not even a cold, I just touch wood and that seems to work.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

10,000 lorry drivers tested with lateral flow tests yielded 24 positives, all of which were asymptomatic. It’s fair to conclude you could french kiss all of Slough and lick all of its car door handles and not get covid. Probably not even that tin foil hat to wonder whether covid 19 was even a novel corona virus.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

No … please … not Slough.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Friendly bombs and all that.

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davews
davews
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Unfortunately we here in Bracknell are about to pass Slough as being the hotspot of Covid in Berkshire with over a hundred positive results yesterday. Where on earth they are no idea. Not sure if the Lighthouse lab down the road, about to open, is the cause. Hopefully they will roll out mass LVT testing soon and dismiss all the ‘cases’.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

Who gets tested on Boxing Day????

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

After you sir, after you…

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Likewise.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

My wife and myself suffered from a very nasty case of the flu at the age of 70 two years ago with the after effects lasting well into April but since then (touch wood) both of us have been cough and cold free.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

I rest my case, wood every time.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Actually Dan, if they told some of the morons that in order to protect themselves from the virus, they should balance a plank of wood on their heads whilst wearing a face nappy of course, expect builder’s merchants to run out of planks.

Last edited 4 years ago by Fingerache Philip
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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Remember the film with The Plank? Imagine all the zombies chasing after it.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Brilliant film!

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

So what will the coming months bring?

First off, New Year will be impossible under the circumstances. Everyone will be relegated to the most minuscule ‘bubbles’ which will amount to ringing the bells from locked toilets. (And even then I’ll bet they’ll still keep their rancid masks on just on case they catch you-know-what from the shower curtain.)

The mighty vax salvation show will continue although the pestilence priests may have overplayed their hand here. Two variants announced so far. Mind you, the truly evil South African one seems to have disappeared at the moment. Matt and Ferguson and Fauci (and the WSW) will continue to hyper ventilate although it will become increasingly difficult since they have already killed off the world’s population many times over.

The TV and film industry are probably already embarked on COVID related shows, perhaps a COVID sit-com with a wacky conspiracy nut fall guy who catches COVID every week? (‘They killed Kenny!’)

COVID songs, covid stand up routines from Stewart Lee, covid porn (masked and socially distanced), rewriting of classics (most obviously ‘Love in the time of covid’ but also ‘The Brothers Koronavirusov’ etc.)

Lots of fun to look forward to!

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Stephensceptic
Stephensceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

I went to university with Stewart Lee. Anything but him. Please……..

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Just took our younger son back to work this morning (no, not everybody can work from home!), and then dropped off his stuff back at his place and then AGAIN cleaned up the dog s××t outside.
I thought to myself : “never mind all this hysterical overreaction to a seasonal flu, what about the diseases that are caused by irresponsible dog owners failing to clean up after their pets?”.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
4 years ago

One of the tools I’ve developed in order to maintain what little is left of my sanity, is to proceed along two parallel interpretations of what’s happening at the same time. You can ride one of the interpretation horses at a time and change to the other at any time the first one starts to feel unstable, and dangerous to the equilibrium.

The horses are called ‘Cockup’ and ‘Conspiracy’ Cockup is a very British breed. Generally placid, content to watch the world go by as long as he has enough hay in the net. He likes his oats too, and can frequently be distracted from what’s going on the other side of the stable door whilst indulging himself. However, if he feels he is being ignored and it looks a bit interesting out there, he is prone to kick the door until he is turned out. If still ignored he can on occasions wreck the joint, and he doesn’t mind causing himself damage in the process knowing it’s going to infuriate the owner and cause expense in mending the stable and its occupant. He is then likely to bite. And if you try to go behind his back, to kick, very hard.

Conspiracy, on the other hand, is a mare. And a foreign breed. She is a pack animal. She must be with others at all times. She like to be the Alpha and will damage any other beast that tries to thwart her. Very showy. Can look the part. Is attractive to showy riders too. The ones who buy all the expensive clobber and think they can ride just because they look good. She will put up with them as long as they’re on the right hack. Conspiracy especially likes going hunting. Things get killed, you see, and that makes her nostrils flare and she will cross any others to get there first, especially if they’re about to jump. The more that go down the better. If she’s the only one left at the kill …. well that’s kind of the point, isn’t it?

There are lots and lots of Cockups around. They’re ten a penny. Very popular breed around these parts. You know it’s probably going to be a disappointing ride, but you’re used to it, and quite like the uncertainty that today, for once, it might be a good day, and generally, whatever happens, it’s a day out and everybody will be home in time for tea.

Conspiracy is one for the terminally bored. It’s sure as shit going to be an exciting ride. You cease to be in control from the minute you mount, You don’t quite know whether you’re going to be with the rest of them at the end. More likely you’re going to be out of control, off on your own and almost certainly thrown and probably trampled to boot. You are unlikely to be home in time for tea, or ever again.

I’ve been riding Conspiracy quite a lot recently. I’m thinking of changing to Cockup as I’m getting getting a bit windy in my old age, and Conspiracy has been sticking her hooves in too many rabbit holes of late. James Delingpole like riding her though. I’d hate for him to reach the line first, because he’d be bound to shout ‘Told you so’ ever so loudly. I WILL come off if I stay on her, though, and I can’t afford to break anything else. So I’m switching to Cockup for a bit and see if I can’t get him in a door-kicking mood at least. And more , if possible.

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

Love this.. and as both horse owner and cockup vs conspiracy flip-flopper, can totally relate…

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

You certainly can’t ride two horses at the same time. No mean feat switching halfway through the race, either.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Midfleet? (In-joke)

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

Good post! I tend to ride the two steeds, like a circus entertainer – one foot on the back of each horse…not comfortable but necessary.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I thought of that but was torn.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

Great post – I think you’ll be back to Conspiracy soon – Cockup just isn’t going to be mountable for much longer.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Nor is Conspiracy, not with Arse Covering steaming up the inside…

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Deserves one last outing otherwise colic & laminitis threaten.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

I used to ride cock up but after the Leicester local lock down it was knackered,been on conspiracy ever since.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

It seems that the WEF is going to hold a special annual conference in Singapore in May 2021, as the normal end of Jan conference in Davos won’t be taking place.

However there will be a virtual Davos conference at the end of Jan, which is billed as “The Davos Agenda”.

When researching this I couldn’t see any reference to “the Great Reset”. Made me wonder: have they realised that the Great Reset was a massive own goal and needed to be junked.

Looks to me like it might have been replaced by the anodyne title “The Davos Agenda”. Same malevolent intent, just trying to disguise it better.

You’ve been warned!

Last edited 4 years ago by OKUK
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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I’m sure they have just changed the title and nothing else.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

As per the great post below by James Leary, 2021 is going to be one hell of a ride whatever horse you ride. 2020 will soon look like a slow burn warm up, with 2021 running on gas mark 5. Nothing to do with horses…

COVID-19 will not be last pandemic: WHO – https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-will-not-be-last-pandemic-who/a-56065483

“For too long, the world has operated on a cycle of panic and neglect … We throw money at an outbreak, and when it’s over, we forget about it and do nothing to prevent the next one,” Tedros said, adding that current mechanisms are “dangerously short-sighted, and frankly difficult to understand.”
He also said the pandemic has “highlighted the intimate link between the health of humans, animals and planet,” and warned that climate change is making earth less habitable.
“Any efforts to improve human health are doomed” without fighting climate change, Tedros emphasized.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

I see that they are raising the old mantra of no snow in 10 years time and children will only see snow on Christmas cards etc. They said that in 2000 and in 2010 my brother held his 60 birthday party. He hired a large house in Brecon and the family came to stay. It was intended to be weekend of walking in the hills and partying at night. However, we were confined to the house as we had a massive snow storm and was trapped in the house.

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Albert
Albert
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

There are plenty of places that never see snow. They seem to manage just fine.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Be glad to see the back of snow, personally. The cold kills a lot more people than does heat. And coronaviruses are a lot more active in cold seasons than warm ones…

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

I see they are linking health to climate change – incompetence, I say! I am now convinced that these lockdowns are going to be used to justify further permanent restrictions to ‘save’ the planet from the evil, dirty plebs. All part of the plan.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

They’ve tried that before.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Yes, I remember the lockdown on ’96 – not a patch on this one!

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

All sounds vaguely familiar from somewhere. Oh yes, the thoroughly debunked IPCC. This will go the same way, I hope!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

“For too long, the world has operated on a cycle of panic and neglect … We throw money at an outbreak, and when it’s over, we forget about it and do nothing to prevent the next one,”

So no panic this year, Tedros? And we’ve had great success preventing the spread of covid….

What a crock of shit

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Here is some more shit, from Snopes, the Fact Checkers:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/google-black-lives-matter/

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago

Found on Twitter:

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Don’t forget…

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Brilliant!

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Ianric
Ianric
4 years ago

There has been discussion about asymptomatic transmission. I feel this is s a myth the government has deliberately built up. In a previous post I used an anology where the government bans microwaves on the basis they are a fire risk and microwaves must be sent away for repair. When microwaves eventually return there are restrictions on what days microwave can be used, they can’t be used after a certain time, there are restrictions how long items can be booked and what foods can be placed in a microwave. Under this scenario the idea is planted in people’s heads all microwaves are dangerous fire risks regardless of whether this is true. People become reluctant to use microwaves.

I feel the government has done something similar with covid. Right from the start lockdown rules have applied to the whole population. When this happens the idea is planted into people’s heads that everyone even healthy people with no symptoms can spread covid which is an effective way to terrorise the population. There is an element of social engineering in lockdown measures as they are designed to isolate people from each other and prevent interaction eg people not being allowed to see family and friends, venues where people socialise such as pubs being forced to close. If people are taught everyone around them is a walking biohazard, it prevents people interacting with each other. I feel there is an element of divide and rule in lockdown measures. If people believe everyone can carry the disease, people become angry with those who disobey the covid cult eg not wearing masks, gathering in groups. Normal socialising is now seen as nothing more than a disease spreading event. The word covid idiot used to describe those who don’t comply.

I have doubts about asymptomatic transmission because I feel it is too convenient for the government because what I have described would not be possible without the idea of asymptomatic transmission.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

Excellent post! I’ve taken the view that if you can’t garner enough virus to infect yourself, it’s unlikely you can pass enough of it on to infect other people.

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Stephensceptic
Stephensceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

I agree. There is very little, or no, real data based evidence for most of the stuff we get told.

I read somewhere that asymptomatic spread was allegedly identified at the start in China. Not clear that any study has corroborated it since. Mike Yeadon states in one of his podcasts that it makes very little sense because someone who is asymptomatic has, by definition, a low viral load so would find it hard to infect anyone.

My sense is that this is now one of the axioms of the Covid religion along with masks, lock downs, social distancing, deadly mutating viruses and general population level fear. This is not to forget that vaccines are the Holy Grail.

But nobody ever produces true evidence for any of this stuff.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

That’s the problem with the whole official narrative – there isn’t an iota of evidence for any of it. The real Data NHS Dashboard, Government Dashboard, Zoe App etc is never seemingly referred to.

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephensceptic

“I read somewhere that asymptomatic spread was allegedly identified at the start in China.” Yes, I believe this is where it started, and appears to have been comprehensively debunked:
The study, published in Nature, identified 300 asymptomatic positive cases through a massive screening program of more than nine million Chinese citizens post-lockdown in Wuhan—where the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus originated—from May 4 to June 1, using PCR tests.
Samples of all the asymptomatic cases were also cultured in the lab and “no viable virus” was found, meaning it cannot transmit a virus.”
https://www.educationviews.org/study-finds-asymptomatic-spread-not-a-significant-source-of-the-ccp-virus-pandemic/

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AshesThanDust
AshesThanDust
4 years ago
Reply to  String

Asymptomatic, or presymptomatic, transmission is the absolute crux of the matter. The assumption that those who appear healthy may be unwitting killers is the basis for all the restrictions. The trouble is that even studies showing that there is negligible evidence for such transmission cannot say definitively that it doesn’t exist – and combined with the “if just one life is saved . . .” mentality, means that we’re stuck in this nightmare loop for the foreseeable. Argh!

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

Terrific summing up, Ianric. It realy is voodoo, isn’t it? They are like a child desperate to be right, with an answer for everything:

If you haven’t got it, you’ll get it;
If you get it, it won’t go away;
If it does go away, it will come back;
There’s no immunity;
Then you’ll have long covid;
If you appear healthy, you’ve probably got it without knowing;
You will kill granny;
Now there’s a new strain… and on and on.

Completely new virus next?

‘Asymptomatic transmission’ really is the giveaway – it’s their only answer for people who say “I’m not ill, I haven’t been ill and neither has anyone I know”.

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Ianric
Ianric
4 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Even if you are sick and symptomatic, just how infectious are you. This is an article which was brought by someone on another post

Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 16.6% | Daily Mail Online

If people who have covid are not that infectious and healthy asymptomatic people can’t spread covid, what exactly is the justification for lockdown?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Asymptomatic transmission to make someone else asymptomatically “ill”?

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

“I have doubts about asymptomatic transmission because I feel it is too convenient for the government because what I have described would not be possible without the idea of asymptomatic transmission.”
Yes. This.
Another way to perhaps test this theory – is to go to your GP and say you think you could possibly have [SARS, ebola, TB, diptheria, pneumonia, rocky mountain fever…or almost anything else of choice ] tell them you have absolutely zero symptoms, have zero problems whatsoever going about your day, but you want to be immediately tested. See what the Dr says, either they welcome you with open arms & say you are spot on & must immediately be tested, or they will tell you to sit down, have a cuppa, and not bother them unless you are ill… any betting people here, want to give odds?! 🙂

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  String

Well put, SH.

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Liewe
Liewe
4 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

You are being trained as the South Africans have been. When the government is corrupt and incompetent, you run out of electricity. In stead of fixing the problem, government claims that the people are wasteful and use to much electricity. The solution is to “load shed”. Rolling black outs, all the while berating the populace for being so selfish as to light their houses and refrigerate their fresh goods.
To force people to use less, you quadruple the price of electricity and it never comes down again. In summer we can function and in winter the population are hectored as selfish idiots who bring loadshedding on themselves, “overwhelming” the grid. The same happened with our water. Sheer mismanagement by government, aided by corrupt “businessmen”.

Does this sound familiar?

Now at a Covid cinema near you

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago

We had the best two days of Christmas for many years,all of my family in one place for the first time in years,luckily all are sceptical and equally sick of the insanity.Plenty of hugs and laughter,we partied like it was 2019.Most of our neighbours appeared to be doing the same.
I expect the iron fist of Big Brother to descend soon now.

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
4 years ago

My mate who worked at the Excel centre who told me a week or so ago that the Nightingale had been dismantled just messaged me and said he’s just been told it has to be put back by the 31st of December which he said is impossible, seems another bout of fear mongering before the January lockdown

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

They only need to erect the facade. Don’t need to actually equip the place.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

I do hope so. it is almost impossible to find “normal” fitting jeans!

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robnicholson
robnicholson
4 years ago

I found the piece in the Times very worrying. I’ve recently signed up to the Times in order to get a wider view of the news compared the FUD the BBC usually pump out. My instant reaction on this single article was to cancel it.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

For much of my life the Times was regarded as THE go-to newspaper. Those were the days!

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

Boycott and cancel all subscriptions in one great rolling wave.

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

Yes, I used to like the Times and did buy it for a few weeks into the Rona episode, but saw that it quickly turned into a propaganda organ for the government. I suppose I should not have been surprised – it really is, along with the BBC, the voice of the British establishment.

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Poppy
Poppy
4 years ago

Hello everyone – had a great Christmas at my boyfriend’s parents’ house. We travelled outside the measly one-day window so that we could have a drink and so that we weren’t tired as dogs having criss-crossed the country twice in one very long day. Luckily bf’s parents are not Covidians – both NHS workers, one of whom will be administering the vaccine next month, so as health professionals they are probably able to look at the bigger picture at the wider non-Covid health problems, unlike mathematician Neil Ferguson who seems to think that the real world follows his exacting mathematical models.

Barely a mention was made of the C word while we were there and we had a great time. I almost forgot about Covid and lockdowns and restrictions. This just goes to show that the insanity exists within the news and social media; once you shut the laptop lid and go into the real world, it practically disappears. You wouldn’t know there was a ‘pandemic’ going on, were it not for useless face rags and silly stickers on the floor.

We drove past a testing centre on the way home, and saw a car turn into it – I’d been driving behind them for the previous 20 minutes doing 60mph, and something tells me that it’s very hard to competently drive a car at that speed when you’re supposedly ill… which begs the question: if no symptoms, why the hell get tested?! On Boxing Day too?! Go back to sitting at home watching crap telly and eating leftover turkey ffs.

Having read Ferguson’s interview in The Times yesterday has made me more sure than ever that we will be proven right eventually and has just convinced me even more than this whole farce is rotten to the core and is no longer about doing what’s best for people’s health. Saying that China – a country with one of the worst human rights records in the entire world – made it possible to ‘get away’ with draconian restrictions in the West, which he himself acknowledged would never have been used otherwise, is an absolute disgrace.

These are not the words of a man who wants to protect the health of the nation he serves.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

“his exacting mathematical models”

No – they’re not ‘exacting’. Or they’d be accurate. Mickey-mouse nerd stuff.

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Poppy
Poppy
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It was meant ironically – I’m sure he thinks his models are ‘exacting’ when really they are anything but.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

His models are excellent examples. Of shite.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Hail Poppy! Glad you had a sane Christmas.

Ferguson's sole aim is to advance the cause of Ferguson, and his sole method is the death of the innocent, be they  animal, human or zombie subhuman.The 'man' is a monster
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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Yes, I agree. I was actually shocked by how candid Ferguson was about this – and I didn’t think anything else in this sorry Rona episode could shock me! It’s so chilling I am going to use the quote in the book I’m trying to finish (about democracy).

While much of what we see is discouraging, I think the reason why the forces of darkness are doubling down now is that they are desperately trying to milk what remaining fear there is out of a declining virus. As we go into spring, respiratory viruses fade out, and in the UK, the restrictions come up for renewal, so we must resist this authoritarianism even more so that the false narrative falls apart publicly.

We must also remember all those who participated in this crime against humanity and those who thought emulating China was a good thing. I really want to see professional humiliation for academic people who have said things like this (there is someone based at Oxford who has done this and she’s also going into my book). It’s beyond disgraceful. It’s evil.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m having a problem with the media’s increasing use of the word “jab”. It seems designed to sound safe, cuddly, trivial and to reduce the seriousness of vaccination to the level of changing to a different shampoo. Ryanair’s ridiculous “jab and go” advert is an example of this. Have a look around – it’s everywhere – and it looks coordinated like much of the other COVID-related language.

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danny
danny
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Change it to stab. Or lobotomy.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

If anyone tries to give me the latter, I shall give them a piece of my mind! [Oldie but goldie.]

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

I saw that ridiculous Ryannair advert. What part of ‘it’s optional’ do they not understand?

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

A co-ordinated plandemic.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Jabbing is the syringe’s raison d’être. I jab, therefore I am.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/Albion_Rover/status/1342971818093780992?s=20

So Bliar and Fergusson choose to chat via webcam in a public conversation. The talk about tough surveillance and ponder how much the public will accept. They also moan public compliance has dropped.

Two evils feel it is their place to talking head to speak in such terms. I woukd be very interested to know who in tge general public values these opinions and respects the men speaking them.

I wonder if bliar and fergusson share common beliefs/religion, it is an odd pairing on the face of it.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Both in the pay of globalists.It just shows that if you hold the right political opinions there is no punishment of failure in public life.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

Or attended the right courses…

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Both former or current Marxists.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

Both like feeling important and having power over others and don’t care much about the negative consequences of their actions

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Sociopaths.

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danny
danny
4 years ago

Merry Christmas everyone.
Like many I have detoxed from the news this week to spend some lovely, normal, time with loved ones.
A brief cursory glance at the news today though and it looks like lockdown has never happened.
The papers are full of celebratory pieces about Boris “winning” the Brexit war.
The way the DM is going, he’ll be up for the Nobel prize by the new year.
Meanwhile the country is masked up and locked down. Have often wondered how much of the “pandemic” was a handy diversion from Trump and Brexit, plus of course the trillions of dollars involved in vaccines.
My guess is the pandemic will start to miraculously diminish soon now we have Brexit and Biden.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  danny

This one might, but the precedent has been set and is now being entwined with ‘climate change’.

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stevie119
stevie119
4 years ago

I saw some graffiti spray painted on a river bridge just outside Dorchester last week. It said COVID CORRUPTION. Splendid.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

Queen wore purple dress for speech. Same shade as starmers kneeling tie, the illuminated London eye and the covid vaccince card heart/crown motif.

Boris wore tiny fish patterned tie to announce Brexit Deal.

Queen wore obvious EU blue dress complete with yellow flower/stars in hat for state openining of parliament in 2018? (19?) When she wore no crown – against protocol.

What they wear seems to matter to them.

Haven’t listened to queen’s speech so do not know if purple has any relevance to the common colour.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Purple has been used for “colour revolutions” by groups funded by a certain Hungarian businessman.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Purple = the colour of aubergines, and we all know the associations they have with the Illuminati.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Fashion Choices Matter

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

UK Column did a slot about wearing purple a few weeks ago. Purple and green signify Common Purpose. Watch out for purple ties etc.
Very sinister!

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Thanks for the heads-up!

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago

It’s now fashionable to report on “covidiots” in the courts for “coronavirus crimes”

The man who spat on the police officer saying that he had the “virus” was then tested afterwards & didn’t have the “virus”

But it left one officer ‘absolutely terrified’ and worried about potentially passing the virus to his two-year-old daughter.

Unbelievable. Fucking woke, brainwashed arseholes.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/coronavirus-covidiots-manchester-court-police-19520576

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

Just remind me, what does plod wear that kevlar vest every day for, again?

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

To protect against the big scary made up virus is my guess Sam….I could be wrong though.

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Jonny S.
Jonny S.
4 years ago

Apologies if already posted.
Interesting stuff from Bosnia

https://mobile.twitter.com/bl_byrne/status/1342997359639277573

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonny S.

Just below the Bosnia tweet I found this

https://twitter.com/i/status/1342995101149245440

Everybody should support the aims of this guy.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonny S.

Brilliant!

So one of Europe’s most recently war damaged nations is now its most liberal nation.

I can understand that. I looked over the East German border, goon towers, electric fence, minefields, guard dogs etc in 1977. I did not like what I saw.

Do we really have to go through real human catastrophes every few generations so that we can recognize fake catastrophising?

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Bruce Reynolds
Bruce Reynolds
4 years ago

Next year should be a watershed moment for the sceptic cause, the amount of sheep pinning there hopes on a return to normal life around spring 2021 is quite astounding, plans being made for family get togethers, Holliday’s,etc etc… The level of expectation will reach fever pitch as the lighter night’s and spring comes into view… could this expectation be the straw that broke the Camel’s back.. things are about to get very interesting…

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Bruce Reynolds

The key date is when the current extension of the Coronavirus Act expires (31st March).
That will be crunch time.
For anyone wanting to reclaim their freedom and put an end to this nightmare, all campaigning efforts should be focused on creating pressure ahead of that vote.

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Yes, I agree. If they try to extend the restrictions into the time when respiratory viruses are uncommon, one would hope that even the Covidians would see that this is not about a virus, but perhaps I’m being too optimistic. I know that the Covidians are probably lost, but I think a lot of people ‘in the middle’ are waking up and I do expect more resistance in the coming weeks, so by the time Parliament gets to the extension, I’m hoping we will have reached critical mass. We must push hard to get the message out before this.

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago

Having had a little normal time for a few days of Christmas I feel very worried about some of the developments. There’s Neil Ferguson praising China in the Times, discussing China with Blair and then Francois Balloux has commented on a tweet where Tony Fauci is pushing the idea that 95% vaccination is the only way to stop COVID spreading. And then there is the abuse Paul Embrey has got on Twitter for quoting and providing a link to government data.

I suppose it is the same things to push back against but it feels to be coming at us fast now. Is the population just seen as a biohazard threat to the elites now? I am feeling a rising panic and like there is no where to hide!

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Yes it is coming at us fast but I think that’s evidence that perhaps things aren’t necessarily going to their plan so they are doubling down on the message now. Don’t panic Mr Mainwaring!

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Agreed!!

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Thank you all, I’ll not panic and I do know I am not on my own with this

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Hattie
Hattie
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Yet Fauci openly admitted he has ‘nudged up ‘ thevoercentage to see how far he could get it. Started at 70 then said that as that seemed to go down ok nudged it to 80. This has been the MO all along – get the media to sample the response, if it is accepted without too much push back then implement then tighten the screw further. I remember Junker openly admitting this is what they did with the EU, put out some supposed new law and impose tighter laws by stealth.
This would have stopped sooner if people pushed against it.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Not for you to panic, Wendy. They’re the ones who are panicking, they are frit the “cases” will run out before they’re ready with their escape plan.

Hold fast.

:o))

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I wish I could agree, but I see things darker and bleaker than ever.

The problem I see that when bad actions have no consequences they become normalised.

Ferguson, despite being wrong about everything, despite openly flaunting the rules which clearly show he doesn’t even believe the stuff he says, is back advising the government. And nothing happens.

Ferguson claims that they are copying Chinese authoritarianism. And nothing happens.

And that is how we’ve got here.

They locked us up in our homes. And nothing happened.
They told forced us to wear masks. And nothing happened.
They forced us to be tested. And nothing happened.
They shut people’s businesses arbitrarily. And nothing happened.

When terrible things are done and nothing happens, more terrible things happen. It just emboldens the psychopaths pushing all this.

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

I don’t believe a word of the 85%. Indeed all polls are pretty much fixed.

I worked in media myself for more than 10 years (international news monitoring service), and the level of manipulation, propaganda, and sheer hysterical incompetent journalism I have seen this year has left me deeply shocked.

I do not underestimate the forces we are up against (both arse-covering for incompetence, and interest groups pursuing agendas), but we must keep fighting. Certainly, ramping up the censorship shows that they are not so sure of themselves.

I will not be taking any of these vaccines. Keep calm, stay strong.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

And the WHO has altered its information on herd immunity on its website, i.e. only vaccines can produce immunity in populations, i.e. no natural immunity is mentioned now,
but dear Toby Young still doesn’t see any collusion or conspiracy.

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago

Just to get the brainwashed sheeple ready for the next round of “the NHS is overwhelmed”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-facing-perfect-storm-scotlands-23225959

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

Krankie and her sockpuppet dentist lying with stats they don’t understand, combined with a complicit BBC pushing project fear and refusing to cover the multitude of Natzi failures and corruption:
https://www.effiedeans.com/p/function-loadthearchivetotalfeed-var.html?m=1

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Our brave “boys in blue” sent to the Scilly isles to order 5 “criminals” who tried to enter teir 1 from their teir 4 plague pit to return from whence they came.
“Just following orders,madam, you understand”.

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james007
james007
4 years ago

I would be cautious about the Mail poll saying that 85% are following the “rules”. Firstly, I think a significant number of sceptics are not reading the news, and certainly not participating in polls. (Watching/reading the BBC causes me significant anxiety). More and more people are abstaining from the mainstream outlets, because they see that they aren’t doing anything like “journalism”, more like presenting acceptable opinions, asking the questions which are ok to ask, and taking the Government’s propaganda as news in itself.

Secondly, it is important to note that many following the rules are doing so as they have no choice. How many are on their own this Christmas, in care homes, or sheltered accommodation this year- as their Guardian-reading, BBC-watching families will not see them this Christmas”for their own safety”? Not just the elderly, but also those with mental health or other disabilities. (Incidently, removing choice and agency from a vulnerable person, except if they are incapable of exercising choice, is a form of abuse).

On Christmas day, traffic on the road was typical for Christmas day. It wasn’t the deafening silence of lockdown 1. Perhaps all people seeing support bubbles, or perhaps a growing minority see the huge dangers in this Government’s policies, and where they are taking us. Along the “road to serfdom”.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  james007

Don’t know how many households mixed indoors here over Christmas as we don’t know people round our way very well yet, but long walks yesterday and today we saw a large proportion of obviously multi-household groups

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago

If ever/whenever this country finally musters the courage to look itself firmly in the eye, here is the very first immediate problem for resolution:

‘….the formal checks and procedures we have in place to ensure that public inquiries lead to change are inadequate. There is no routine procedure for holding the Government to account for promises made in the aftermath of inquiries, the implementation of recommendations is patchy, in some cases repeat incidents have occurred and there is no system for allowing inquiries to build on the learning of their predecessors.’

This is the remedy required, forthwith:

‘….the Liaison Committee should consider adding an eleventh core task to the guidance that steers select committee work: scrutinising the implementation of inquiry findings.’ 

‘….interim reports should be published as rapidly as possible, setting out any immediate changes that need to be made to prevent recurrence.’ 

‘…inquiries should adopt a seminar process to involve expert witnesses when developing recommendations.’

‘Government should implement the repeated recommendation of Parliament to create a permanent inquiries unit within the Cabinet Office’  

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Public%20Inquiries%20%28final%29.pdf

It should beggar belief that this country’s government is still manifestly unaccountable for its actions………but it does not…….

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

All excellent ideas: hmm, no chance!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Also the judiciary seem to have completely ceded any authority in the face of an “emergency”:

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1342029061481254916

“Our second case (Dolan 2) totally rejected.

‘Justice’ Saini:

“There is no basis for a court to second-guess the assessment of urgency in the context of decisions made in a fast-moving public health crisis”

Also, deemed ‘academic’, as the rules now changed.Again.”

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago

Deleted. Already posted. Sorry

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Oooops!!!

Someone cocked up with the corona porn story

From Armageddon to don’t ring us in 12 hours

This story was due to be planted in 10 days time when those who had celebrated Christmas were to be blamed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55454280

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John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

A hard argument to sustain; the US and Canada had no Thanksgiving-induced peak.

Anyway if Ivermectin and HCQ are proven for COVID-19 patients in a moderate to serious condition, i.e. they usually stop them getting worse, how did a hospital get into this dire state?

Then there’s vitamin D. Dr David Grimes in his last blog started comparing the benefits of a cheap, safe pill to the vaccines on offer

http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/12/covid19-and-vitamin-d-efficacy-of.html

I’d say he isn’t on the government’s Xmas card list.

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robnicholson
robnicholson
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

That Grimes article is a very interesting read. First time I’ve seen the costs of the three vaccines compared. Anyone else gobsmacked at the cost per death saved? What price a life?? Or does it just confirm that it’s not that deadly?

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

These things are cheap. The big powerful pharma companies who are running this show (along with those who have vested intrerests – https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/ )
don’t like ”cheap”.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Once again, I will attempt to play devil’s advocate here (go easy):

Is there a genuine lack of capacity within the hospital system because,
1. It is winter (obviously) but also
2. The closure / severe curtailment of primary care now and earlier in the year has caused certain groups to require in-patient treatment where preventative care may have … erm … prevented the need for this?

Instead of constantly butting heads with bedwetters, are our efforts better spent pointing out that in-patient admissions for RTIs remain roughly as expected (%) for this time of year and that any capacity issues (if any) arise instead from govt and NHS policies. Reframe their ‘problem’. Like redirecting a sleepwalker safely back to bed.

Just thinking out loud here…..

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

You forgot the masses of staff who are off work due to self isolation policies.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  jonathan Palmer

If you mentioned that, it’d be an immediate red flag – ‘What you don’t think nurses isolating with symptoms is necessary?’

As I think the vast majority of genuine cases occur in hospitals (the NHS’s dirty little secret), I’m inclined to agree

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

All good points

The money being spent on useless T&T, furlough etc would be better spent on actual healthcare for sick people

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I think that has been the only sensible option from the start. Protect the vulnerable as best as possible and increase capacity within the health system. Everything else as normal.

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TJS123
TJS123
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

And for those who say “you can’t lock up the elderly and vulnerable” – they’ve been locked up since March, with no access to the outside world or their families, what’s the difference?

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Except many of the staff isolating don’t necessarily have symptoms, but have tested positive for CV19, or have family members who have tested positive.

There are also staff who have been “shielding” since this all started, i.e. they’re at home and haven’t come back to work for months.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

If I look at Northern Ireland’s bed count, it’s been in decline over the last 10 years.

• Available hospital beds Northern Ireland 2009-2020 | Statista

From 7,200 to 5,200 and that is with a growing population both in number and age.

That 5,200 number is a reflection of general estimated bed numbers. Not really real time. What is real time is the Department of Health’s daily dashboard and guess what the number of beds is stated as?

2,895 beds of which 2,888 are currently occupied

Microsoft Power BI

This is shocking to me. The dashboard sets off alarm bells showing 100% occupancy in hospitals in Northern Ireland. There were reports of 7 ambulances in the Antrim Area Hospital last week and this bounced the local gov into another 6 week lockdown. My town has been in full lockdown now since October 3rd save for a week before Christmas.

So why the huge drop? Is is social distancing of beds? Of staff being relocated and isolated on top? Who the hell knows. This kind of context is just side-lined. Nobody here is asking these questions in any public capacity.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Our local,reasonably large,hospital is declared a ‘covid – free green site’ and used for some surgery etc.It is shamefully being used at around 20-30 % of it’s capacity and has been since August and is according to our daughter who works there ‘being used as a giant storeroom for all the crap the other hospitals don’t want.This means operating theatres and wards are full of old equipment,paperwork and old patient files.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

This is the type of thing that needs whistleblowing

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CapLlam
CapLlam
4 years ago

Yes hate skinny jeans!

I get annoyed at the fact when trying to buy Jeans for my toddler most places have skinny jeans . I tend to buy boys jeans for her instead.

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number 6
number 6
4 years ago

Count me in as one of the 15% “Law Breakers” !!! Grandchildren, Dog, etc. Christmas Eve Christmas,Boxung Day, Today. Let’s keep our immune systems upto date with the REAL Eko system we’ve been born into. Much better than synthetic vaccines / drugs.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  number 6

Fifteen human beings and 85 zombies out of every hundred is quite a good score really.Supposing the poll is to be relied on either way.

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TheBigman
TheBigman
4 years ago

Is anyone else sick of spineless people recognising what’s going on but cowering away in vain hope that it’ll ‘all go away’.

I encourage LS to get all freedom loving groups/parties/cultures to unite and take down the authoritarian governments.

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Hattie
Hattie
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

Yes,the other day two women chatting cheerfully in a shop, one remarked ‘ we have to just get on with it’, took all my strength not to throw my packet of Christmas cards at her.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

Out of interest, what are “they” expected to do exactly to win LS favour? Burn the local town hall down?

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago

Stay Safe Plebs
🤣 😷 🤣 😷 🤣
The Jab is Coming

My latest back window signage, too subtle?

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago

Yes please. Can we return to the David Bowie let’s dance era zoot suit style baggy trousers. My dad used to call tight trouser St. Paul trousers. You know, no ballroom

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Skippy
Skippy
4 years ago

A decent pair of bootcut denims. With no bloody tears and holes. Shit I’d even wear a bright green baggy denims of the 90’s before I attempt skinny/girlfriend shite

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Skippy

I wear bootcut cutoffs. (They only had 36″ leg and I’m 5’2″)
The frayed bits trail in puddles but they’re otherwise very practical and comfy – plus they go over my hightops without bunching up.

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2 pence
2 pence
4 years ago

ITALY –
Group of doctors in the laboratory swab a kiwi and
find it is positive for Covid.

https://twitter.com/MediaShattered/status/1342140955214942209

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2 pence
2 pence
4 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Original video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmmz_YfxXTE&ab_channel=ItaliaSera

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Supermarkets in Wales are completely ignoring the Rapists Dad’s new laws

They are openly selling children’s clothes and toasters

The revolution is starting

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Please let it be so,please.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

This just in – Welsh Senedd building blown up by IED made from toaster stuffed with children’s clothes. Thought to have been detonated remotely by non-essential mobile phone…

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Toasters?
Raise a slice of toast to freedom!
I’ll have marmite on mine please.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
4 years ago

One of my ‘things’. The current distain of history and its lessons amongst the Establishment (We’re much better educated and cleverer than those old, stale, pale and possibly smelly people) means they are destined to repeat it all.

Except, if you read the first conclusion of the German intelligentsia, it rather leans towards not letting the messy democratic process decide – just in case the fascist proles elect ghastly populists to did us out of this hole.

An eye needs to be kept on these sort of people. Having lockdown power over the proles has quite gone to their heads.

I’ve shared ‘Why a row about the rise of Hitler has erupted in the German press’ with you from Spectator

https://app.spectator.co.uk/2020/12/27/why-a-row-about-the-rise-of-hitler-has-erupted-in-the-german-press/content.html

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist by an actual teacher of history. For the audacity of questioning the proportionality of lockdown – you couldn’t make it up.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I’ve pointed out to people that totalitarian regimes have risen in supposedly sophisticated countries in living memory and been laughed at and called a madman

Do people somehow think that Homo Sapiens 2020 is incapable of evil and stupidity?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The arrogance is astounding.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

There is no Homo sapiens 2020, only Homo incredibiliter stultus gullibiliter moronicissimus cretinissimus. And then some.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Reminds me of Wily E. Coyote and the Roadrunner Latin words.

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PompeyJunglist
PompeyJunglist
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

People are incredibly naive and complacent. They are certain it couldn’t happen here but can’t articulate why….

Such thinking is lazy, entitled and stupid. Which kind of sums up the West at this point.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  PompeyJunglist

There’s a very good film from 1964 (available on Youtube) called ‘It Happened Here’ about a fictional German conquest of Britain in 1940. It shows that all the collaboration and atrocities that happened on the continent would have happened here as well, because the German method was basically the same: create a native gauletier class with pay and privileges and get them to spy on and denounce their neighbours to prevent any opposition.

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frankfrankly
frankfrankly
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I was called a plague rat when I wrote to the local paper

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

Hmm perhaps I am being overly suspicious but I just did a little look through some of the sites I used to respect just to see what their latest take on COVID is. As per usual, you would think there was no virus situation at all as far as they were concerned.

And there’s Richard Murphy of Tax Research. I had heard how he ‘doesn’t suffer fools gladly’. So I was looking forward to some incisive sparring from this pro-covid warrior. Well, I had to go back pretty far to find an article specifically about the virus and it was all about that Great Barrington Declaration to which our Richard gave the customary Leftist objection: it was a ‘Right Wing thing’ or in this case ‘Far Right Economics’.

At the end of this article he posts a warning to posters with ‘Right Wing sources’. He doesn’t want to hear from them. Since the standard Leftist position is to see all COVID scepticism as ‘Right Wing’, this is pretty much fixing the fight in advance.

Anyway, about half way down he gets some stick from a ‘Joshua’ who starts off sounding reasonable even though Richard calls him a troll. But as the argument proceeds, this Joshua becomes increasingly irate and ends up with juvenile insults, at which point Richard considers himself justified and then utters a blanket ban on those he considers ‘from the far Right’.

So – was that a little staged pseudo-fight? A little bit of theatre to guide the Left faithful away from troublesome COVID scepticism?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

The characterising of anti lockdown opposition as right-wing has been one of the many things that has reduced our effectiveness

I’m not a leftie but I wish there were more people on the left who speak out to debunk that particular position

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I am a Leftie which is why the ferocious gullibility of these Left sites irritates the hell out of me. I have experienced a sense of utter betrayal from them which has led me to the suspicion that they are controlled opposition. Thankfully there are some on the Left who can see through the manipulative shite but so many have been hoodwinked by the skillful use of partisan mentality.

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SimonCook
SimonCook
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Good evening George,

I very much second your comment.

The worst betrayal (in my eyes) was Medialens. Repeatedly retweeting Piers Morgan really took the absolute biscuit. Even Neil Clark was initially suckered in before thankfully coming round. In fact it was only Off-Guardian that called it from the beginning.

Can I recommend Charlotte Gracias if you aren’t already aware of her

Best regards

Simon

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

shame about that kier “trilateral commission” starmer ain’t it though?

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FK8v1P-Psog/

Mark Windows, June 23, 2019 Surviving the Mass Extinction.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

https://principia-scientific.com/lloyds-insurers-refuse-to-cover-5g-wi-fi-illnesses/

Lloyds of London not interested in insuring 5g, smart meters etc.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=7120

David MacKay on the fallacy of renewable energy.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

LLoyd’s (ahem, note apostrophe) and the major insurers have got quite a big angry dog in this fight – namely the Supreme Court appeals against the earlier FCA ruling on business interruption insurance claims. If the insurers have to pay up (as they should), the hope is that they will then release the hounds on the govt in order to try and recoup their losses – the PCR test would seem to be the achilles heel at which they should be nipping…

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago

A Covidian letter in ‘Rail Magazine’ this week,

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Once again his argument could be destroyed by the taboo subject of whether asymptomatic individuals can infect others. If answer is no he has almost nothing to be concerned about.

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davews
davews
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

And ‘vanishingly known risk’…. I have always felt perfectly safe in the largely deserted trains mask or no mask. Sadly the railway forum (WNXX) I visit seems full of similarly minded individuals, their Covid threads have been repeatedly closed when us sceptics try and make our views known.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

If asymptomatic transmission happens there is no way to explain the absence of any significant covid transmission in most of Asia, unless you accept herd immunity through prior exposure to other corona viruses.
Asia puts a lie to virtually every supposed known about all this.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

A letter that does nothing but to say “I am a covid crazy and can’t use your service”. The rail company seems to have done quite a lot to pacify this person but because other people still can’t be as virtuous as them, they have to remove their business. Jesus. Why take the effort to write in? “Hello, my name is John. I hate myself. Thanks”

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago

I hope this comes to pass soon:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914971/Britons-launch-class-action-lawsuit-Government-falsely-imprisoning-nation-says-lawyer.html

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

God Almighty, I should SO love to see that happen!

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Contacted Simon Dolan over it. There’s still a slush fund sloshing about…

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Another link if the DM site is too much:

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2020/11/03/jonathan-morgan-covid-19-and-false-imprisonment/

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Operative word: could.

But maybe LS should get together with Conservative Woman and any other interested party, and crowdfund a class action lawsuit against the government.
Simon Dolan and others have been trying to stop the government action in the courts, but so far it’s been unsuccessful. The courts have interpreted it as necessary to “fight the virus.”

If we don’t fight back, they’re never going to let us out.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

The courts are a joke. Example: The US Supreme Court.

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I would happily chip in whatever I can afford to support this as I’m sure many fellow LSs would too. But there is no call to arms, no how to support in this article. But great idea – when can we start?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Not a prayer, I’m afraid.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

If there are no legal options then the people of any nation are effectively powerless against a rogue government.

Power should not and cannot ever be absolute. There must always be checks and balances to prevent something like this happening again.

As many have said before if there was a proper threat to humanity then there would be no need to coerce people into believing it was so.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

If there are no legal options then the people of any nation are effectively powerless against a rogue government.

The Vietcong effectively defeated the might of America. So maybe not so. Of course it took many years and they had to live like animals to achieve it (underground). The main difference here is that Americans were not endemic in Vietnam, but Greens and Wokes are totally endemic in GB.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

i don’t think there are no legal options; i just think that so far the wrong options have been pursued. Once the PCR test is legally blown out of the water, everything else will come a tumblin’ down

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Your first paragraph just about sums up our predicament.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

the money should be paid by asset stripping anyone who has advocated lockdown

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

2021 will be quite a year. As a prelude to building back better, Boris Johnson wants to level the country first. Now might be a good time to invest that spare cash in this exciting new project. Top tips for the early stages are investments in heavy demolition and earth moving equipment. 

boris levels country jcb.jpg
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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

earth moving equipment.

Is that for digging his grave?

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

I think there would be enough volunteers with shovels for that job!

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Move #10 Downing Street, with everybody in it.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Would be impolite of me not to say ‘nice job!’. 🙂

So much fun to be had with the Beeb in Developer Mode, don’t you think.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

London looks increasingly like it’s peaked in advance of Tier 4. Peaking before lockdown, now when have we heard that before? Oh yes, Lockdown 1, Leicester, Lockdown 2, Liverpool, Manchester, Northe West in General, Nottingham, Sheffield, Newcastle, Lockdown 2, London. Have I missed any?

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Jonny S.
Jonny S.
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Try west yorkshire

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

What has this country done to deserve Blair and Ferguson, sick and evil both of them. They’re losing. The first lockdown, the seafront near me was deserted, even in the good weather, today, manic busy, great to see, we are winning.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Hooray! Keep it up.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Northern Ireland just entering a new Lockdown in response to rising falling hospital admissions.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

They don’t want to be left out of the fun.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/mn_legislators_review_thousands_of_deaths_attributed_to_covid_discover_up_to_40_due_to_other_causes.html

“Two Minnesota state lawmakers are calling for an audit of death certificates that were attributed to the coronavirus, saying COVID-19 deaths could have been inflated by 40%.

State Rep. Mary Franson and state Sen. Scott Jensen released a video last week revealing that after reviewing thousands of death certificates in the state, 40% did not have COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death.

“I have other examples where COVID isn’t the underlying cause of death, where we have a fall. Another example is we have a freshwater drowning. We have dementia. We have a stroke and multiorgan failure,” Franson said in the video.

She added that in one case, a person who was ejected from a car was “counted as a COVID death” because the virus was in his system.

Franson said she and a team reviewed 2,800 “death certificate data points” and found that about 800 of them did not have the virus as the underlying cause of death.

Jensen pointed out that he gained attention back in April when he criticized the Minnesota Department of Health for following federal guides on recording coronavirus deaths.

“I sort of got myself in hot water way back in April when I made the comment that I was, as a physician, being encouraged to do death certificates differently with COVID-19 than with other disease entities,” Jensen said.”

I wonder what would come out if someone did a full audit in the UK.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Even more lies, that’s what.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Update on 27 December

We can confirm that sadly five patients, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were two women; one in her 80s and the other in her 90s and three men; one in his 60s, one in his 70s and one in his 80s. All had underlying health conditions.

Update on 26 December

We can confirm that sadly five patients, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were two men in their 80s, a woman in her 50s and a man in his 70s, all with underlying health conditions; and a man in his 70s, who did not have any underlying health conditions.

Update on 24 December

We can confirm that sadly two men, one in his 80s and one in his 90s, both with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19 have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 23 December

We can confirm that a woman in her 90s with underlying health conditions, who had tested positive for Covid-19, has passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 22 December

We can confirm that sadly a man and a woman, both in their 70s and with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19 have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 21 December

We can confirm that a man in his 60s with no underlying health conditions, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 20 December

We can confirm that sadly a man in his 70s and a man in his 80s who both had underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 19 December

We can confirm that sadly a woman in her 90s with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, has passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 18 December

We can confirm that sadly three patients who had underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were two men and a woman, all in their 80s.

https://www.nnuh.nhs.uk/news/2020/12/daily-announcement-covid-19-deaths/

Almost no one without underlying conditions, i.e. probable primary cause of death, or under the age of 70.
I’d like to see a comparison with deaths during the last few winters with flu or other respiratory infections circulating.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Sadly.
How sad.
Too bad.

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liztr835
liztr835
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

The way that is written is interesting, they have not put died of Covid, rather “who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away” If they had died of it, they would have worded things differently.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

West Yorkshire. I’d be surprised if anyone’s left alive up there!

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Nobody at all, in fact so few survivors remain that the entire county is going to be incorporated into Lancashire.

(If nobody will start the war of the covids perhaps I can reignite the war of the roses, anything will help the cause)

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

It’s not wet enough to be incorporated in to us. Bloody woolly backs and their nice weather.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

last week of data available from ONS was for week ending 11 Dec

total deaths 12,292

apart from the march/april peak we have to go as far back as weekending Jan 17th 2020 to get numbers as high at 12,990 deaths

ie current death rates are lower than for a normal January (where I can’t even remember the BBC doing their annual NHS overwhelmed stories)

its a very strange ‘pandemic’ – its just not reflected in the data. Of course we have lots of ‘cases’ just as we would if we widely tested for the other 4 coronaviruses. And lots dying ‘within 28 days of being found +ve’ just as we would if we tested for the other 4 coronaviruses.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

2020, the year many people first discovered death and were spooked by it,
“Man is born to live, to suffer, and to die, and what befalls him is a tragic lot. There is no denying this in the final end. But we must deny it all along the way.”unfortunately this included the politicians, I recall the bizarre spectacle of Angela Merkel apparently distraught over deaths when in fact the German death rate was about normal! It has also been the year when politicians and officials have shown (wilfully or in ignorance?) an inability to review death statistics objectively and realistically to decide on a good public health policy.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

all 100% wilful i’m afraid

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Biggles
Biggles
4 years ago

It looks like they don’t teach English very well in the Isle of Wight.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

Norfolk has gone from Tier 2 to Tier 4.
Still not sure why, but I’m sure it’s not to do with people coming here in droves.

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FenTyger
FenTyger
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

We have “droves” around here in the flat country but generally they are long straight roads with deep drains alongside. Also jumped from 2 to 4 without passing Go!

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

i used to have a drove but it kept breaking down and it was difficult to get the parts from China. Swapped it for a Mini

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

Austin or BMW Mini?

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

a real mini.. not a tonka toy version on steroids

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

Looks like the virus of stupidity was there already.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

News Flash:
Our country has many imbeciles.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

Paranoics like this pre-Covid had to make do with handing out badly photocopied rants in pubs, painting slogans on walls, or at best running websites that looked like they had been designed in 1995. Now, they can produce rubbish like this and people actually listen to them.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago

“Stop Press: A joint investigation by the New York Times and Politico has revealed the extent of China’s efforts to censor social media at the beginning of the pandemic, hoping to conceal its role in triggering the global crisis. Were the architects of the West’s lockdowns inspired by that policy too?”

Censorship of anything governments don’t like isn’t anything new. There’s been increasing censorship for several years. Look at the BBC and Brexit as a prime example.
Or Mark Zuckerberg and Angela Merkel in a hot mic conversation about censoring views that didn’t support mass immigration into the EU and Germany.
The big tech giants swore back in 2016/17 that they wouldn’t allow Donald Trump to be re-elected. They’ve been censoring views that are in support of him, deleting entire conservative YouTube channels

We’re headed towards a CCP-style social credit system, underpinned by big tech.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=angela+merkel+communist+youth&ia=web

Read it and weep.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

weekly deaths ran a little below 5 year average earlier in the year and a little above now

woopee doo. Can I have my life back now please?

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Don’t ask, take.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

When I looked at the ONS figures, it seems to me that 90% of the people reportedly dying of/with Covid were in receipt of the state old age pension. When a disease has such a distinctively specified target group it is hard to see how it is appropriate to impose restrictions on the whole of society.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

The entire of Buckinghamshire has 6 patients on ventilators.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhstrust&areaName=Buckinghamshire%20Healthcare%20NHS%20Trust

I could look after them myself. This is ‘overwhelmed’?

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Mr Taxpayer
Mr Taxpayer
4 years ago

I have delivered 1000 leaflets for Back To Normal around my Tier 2 locale. I have read the Tier 4 legislation and it would appear that ‘delivering leaflets’ is not a reasonable excuse or exception to leave home.
Persons may with to rely on Article 10 Clause 1 of the Human Rights Act…This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. Delivering a leaflet is imparting information.

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stevie
stevie
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Taxpayer

It’s not stopped the estate agents near me from putting leaflets through the door and yes I am in Tier 4. I guess they are exempt as it is work.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Taxpayer

Gov.uk states that people are allowed to meet (and thus leave their homes) for ‘work, or providing voluntary or charitable services.’ I would argue that delivering information leaflets on Covid is a voluntary service. Not sure if it would stand up in court but I think it would be worth a try.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

Sweden’s negligible ‘second wave’.

Ferguson must be fuming.

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Cedric the dragon
Cedric the dragon
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Excellent!

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Jees! Is that pre Christmas dip for real or did the person drawing the graph suddenly die from coronavirus?

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

Either that or a poisoned umbrella was used on him just before he finished it.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

No, they’ve just got the axis running to the end of the year and the data point there is zero (for now)

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago

I’m just back having repeated the same 150 mile round trip journey that I also happened to make during lockdown 1 in April. Purpose the same, to collect number 1 daughter.

In April, the journey was like something from 28 Days Later with nothing on the roads bar the odd truck. Despite now being entirely through fear tier 4, there were thousands upon thousands of vehicles on the road. Retail parks were packed with cars, as were car parks for the beauty spots and golf clubs I passed. Does rather seem like the wheels are coming off Boris’ lockdown bus to me. The momentum is with us despite the media fear porn.

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liztr835
liztr835
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I was out and about today, plenty of people around, no police, huge queue outside the big Smyths toys. Also drove in and out of Tier 2 to Tier 4 over christmas, no issues at all.

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Bill H
Bill H
4 years ago
Reply to  liztr835

Except the pubs and restaurants remain shut 🙁

And bleeding cash.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Time they stopped being servile dickheads and asserted themselves.
Every pub and restaurant reopens.
Gestapo overwhelmed. Ban ends.
Either they do that that or they go under. Their choice.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

That is what it will take. Every time the police leave, open again. Never pay a fine, clog up the court system.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

SAGE will have to come up with a novel more virulent variant, pronto!

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

isn’t there a new one from Nigeria?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I did the same today, 130 mile journey from Tier 4 to Tier 2. Plenty of other road users, much quieter than pre-covid but then there’s nowhere much left to go any more and we are in that dead period between Xmas and New Year. Zero police cars for the entire two hours. Basically, you can do what you want it seems.

Blair is worried about this as we know – not enough compliance. If only we were as obedient as the Chinese…

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

as i’ve said before, if blair thinks it’s wrong, you know it’s right!

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Could be a great thing if they give him airtime to pontificate on lockdowns.The most discredited politician up to now.Im not including any of the current Parliament in that assessment.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I have been in and out of tiers, lockdowns etc since day 1 in my car and have seen no more police than usual (ie, hardly any) and no roadblocks or anything like that. Even if I am stopped I will simply say I am visiting a support bubble. I don’t see how the police can realistically stop people because there are so many legitimate exemptions to the restrictions.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

exactly!

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TC
TC
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I hope and pray you are right but suspect more people will not comply with restrictions as they see they can do so and are not subject to enforcement action.
Would the msm ever recognise a turning point and give it the air of even non-committal publicity?
The distrust I now have of the media is huge.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Does anyone know why excess deaths in Wales are no longer being reported on https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps# , of course it may be because, last time I looked they were significantly below the significantly low level of deaths.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I assume everyone there has already died

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Sadlidied? Not bloody likely.
There’s me, for a start. I’m still happilialive and intend to stay that way.

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Well going by the regular strategy, the perfectly verifiable scientific claim will be that twice as many people died in Wales as actually live there. And that was just today.

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Cedric the dragon
Cedric the dragon
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

We’re still alive too but have escaped the Welsh gulag to Madeira! Not sure when (if) we’ll be allowed back.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

That’s why! Do keep up…

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

looks like no pandemic just a return to normal seasonality

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stevie
stevie
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

How strange. Wales no longer in list of countries.

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l835
l835
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

No longer reported as the dictatorship no-longer needs to justify its actions.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Don’t believe anything that they tell you.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

euromomo@ssi.dk

worth asking

Partners — EUROMOMO

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John P
John P
4 years ago

I thought now that I am in a better frame of mind I might add a little to my comments on Christmas Day regarding the new login mandate. (Don’t worry, I’m not staying.)

Typically my right to free speech was met with derision and contempt. (Such decent, tolerant people the Brits. I digress.)

Masks and the white sheep:
Masks were mandated for wearing in shops in July.

white sheep:

“wear a mask!”
“what’s your problem, it’s no real inconvenience”
“it’s for your safety!”
“if our betters think it’s a good idea then I won’t question it”
“wear a mask you fool, don’t be a covidiot!”
“what a muppet – he won’t wear a mask”

black sheep:

“login to comment”
“what’s your problem, it’s no real inconvenience”
“it’s for your safety!”
“if our betters think it’s a good idea then I won’t question it”
“login to comment you fool, don’t be a logidiot!”
“what a muppet he won’t login to comment”

Those of you with more than mutton brains between your ears (I think there may be a handful) may now begin to understand my anger at the imposition.

Masking-up and logging-in have some very strong parallels.

In both cases a smug lover of bureaucracy has deemed it a good idea and has put it to the-powers-that-be. In both cases the powers-that-be deemed that it might be good for safety (I think they’re both pointless) and will vocally defend their undemocratic imposition.

And in both cases the regular white sheep and the “black” sheep that come here have given way to something imposed upon them without so much as a bleat.

(And those who oppose the imposition will be derided and sneered at for their pettiness.)

There are people who come here who consider themselves rebels. but in my opinion the majority of you are dull conformists at heart.

You may be able to vocally assert that – because of your dark fleeces – that “I am black!” but in my view it’s just black ink.

You’re fakes.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Baah.
Bleat.
Lamb chops.
Go away.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Oh dear,keep taking the tablets.

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Here’s a radical thought, John. Maybe it isn’t about you.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Hi John P, I don’t wear a mask because they’re bad for my physical and mental health.

Last edited 4 years ago by PatrickF
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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

You’ve obviously wound yourself up to an absurd extent, John. Get back some perspective – there’s enough real enemies around without confecting a new army of them.

“Masking-up and logging-in have some very strong parallels.”

Put simply – no they haven’t. One is an blanket imposition with severe social and psychological consequences, based on mythology. The other, at worst, is an irritating inconvenience that perhaps exaggerates a real problem.

You’re boxing with shadows.

Last edited 4 years ago by RickH
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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

What the fuck are you going on about? If logging in again has made you wet the bed it’s probably best you do one. You’re clearly a flake and not cut out for this.

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Edmund Mortimer
Edmund Mortimer
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

We would like to be your friends but it’s getting harder. Try not to insult random strangers and you might enjoy your own life more.

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tjvs
tjvs
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Nobody makes you come here

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

At the risk of making myself unpopular here, I’m glad you’re back – no really I am. But you seem to revel in insulting everyone else. This seems very self destructive to me. Maybe you get off on being abused in response? Maybe you are laughing at us all? You make some good points (though this isn’t one of them) but you ruin your argument most of the time with your attitude to others. Try a different approach perhaps. All the best.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Is everything OK at home?

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Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Hi John, I can see the point you’re trying to make but it seems a bit harsh. For many, this website provides a welcome space to share and try to understand what the hell is going on around us at the moment. I’ll admit that normally I would probably be classed as “conformist” and don’t consider myself to be a “rebel” but I don’t think that necessarily makes me dull (some may disagree). If we need to log in to comment on this website to stop arsehole trolls from stirring up trouble then that makes sense. I believe many websites require you to log in if you want to comment. You do have friends here so try not to turn people against you.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

I can’t listen to Spiked any longer because I refuse to sign in to Audioboom.

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PompeyJunglist
PompeyJunglist
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

This is tragic.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Have you tried not logging out?

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Suzyv
Suzyv
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

What on earth are you talking about?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

I do not necessarily agree with everything and everyone here but to my mind the important thing is that what unites us is far far bigger and more important than any differences we may have.
The outrageous and iniquitous lockdowns and restrictions, the silly mask wearing, the appalling misuse of the law to impose police state controls on healthy people supposedly for our own good, the crazy testing and tracing scheme, if we are going to oppose these then I feel we need to put aside any minor differences and combine all the great skills and various viewpoints that are represented here, to borrow an old Trade Union chant.’The sceptics united will never be defeated’.

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Ian Rons
Ian Rons
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Hi John,

I’m one of the people to whom you have been directing your ad homs since Christmas Day, as I suggested requiring a user account for commenters as a remedy to some trollish behaviour that we were seeing, although the decision was ultimately Toby’s, made with a lot of input from the great team of moderators who help out here. I think we’re all in agreement that it was the right decision.

As I said on Christmas Day in response to some pretty unpleasant stuff from you, I simply don’t understand the hostility – in fact it seems unhinged. The idea that making people log in to comment here is equivalent to a government mask-wearing diktat is just absurd. If you set up a website, would I have some sort of freedom-of-speech right to post comments there? Obviously not.

Clearly, given that you felt the need (as you said previously) to call the Samaritans because of what seemed like fairly mild criticism of you by one commenter the other day, and given your responses to being asked to log in before commenting – in particular the fact that you’ve obviously been stewing about this for a couple of days – I’m quite concerned about your mental wellbeing and I seriously think you need time away from this site (or at least the comments section) to calm down and take stock.

We’ve all had a very tough year – none of us have gotten out and had enough human contact with friends and family, and we’ve had to endure all manner of craziness without much chance of having our voices heard; but don’t make it worse by causing needless problems with people who are (broadly speaking) on your side. And there’s obviously been some goodwill from other commenters both today and on the previous couple of days, so don’t blow what reputation you have here by having a public meltdown. Come back in a couple of months when you’ve got all this out of your system.

Get well, and best wishes,

Ian

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Bill H
Bill H
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian Rons

Ian,

Thanks for all your good work.

Cheers

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Seconded.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  Ian Rons

This is a really well considered post which does you, and this site, a great credit. Thank you. I really hope that John is ok.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Sergeant John reporting in after Christmas leave.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

John, the login requirement was to stop trolls like MutzNutz from filling the threads with puerile bollox.
A boss of mine once said I was like sandpaper to a match. I’m afraid you often have the same effect.
I hear the frustration in your posts but taking it out on people who have tried to be your friends will not improve anything.
This is admittedly a talking shop, not an action group. It’s also a very important supportive community where we can at least ridicule the anomalies and encourage our practical subversive efforts.
Maybe try to link up with some local anti-lockdown groups. To do some leafleting or something practical would be less frustrating.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

hello toby young – you cant fool me!
😉

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Meanwhile, in Scotland, good to know that Nicola is taking good care of her adherents. A new lockdown in the face of rising, ooops no, falling hospital admissions.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

If “cases”, deaths or hospital admissions rise we get lockdown to bring them down.
If they fall we get lockdown because lockdown is doing the trick.

You either buy into the madness, or your your soul slowly gets crushed by the relentless evil being perpetrated.

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liztr835
liztr835
4 years ago

Worth watching the following video, espcially if your business has been wrecked by covid
https://pcrclaims.co.uk/videos

I am certainly going to be documenting everything and the many thousands of pounds I have lost, and now in tier 4 and closed down again, this will be the 6th month in a year that I have not been able to earn a living.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  liztr835

pcrclaims are really talking the talk – i’ve got a lot of hope for them in 2021…

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

I’ve just been re-reading the report :

The handling of the H1N1 pandemic : more transparency needed

… prepared in 2010 by Paul Flynn for the Social & Family Affairs Committee of the Council of Europe.

It really is worth taking a detailed look at this; you could slightly amend the wording to refer to Covid in 2020, and the criticisms and reservations fit perfectly with the present debacle. What we are seeing is a long-term policy of strategic graft and corruption that they didn’t pull off for H1N1 before being caught out. The detail is all there – almost a blueprint.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

A link to the background you mention
PACE Health Committee denounces ‘unjustified scare’ of Swine Flu, waste of public money (coe.int)

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mj
mj
4 years ago

just watching the 30 years of Have i got news for you. including much stuff from the old days when they were still satirical .
One quote from today from Hislop about the early days stands out . “someone asked how were we able to be so rude about the government and i explained to them “this is the point of being in Britain … this is one of the freedoms we have”

I think he meant Had not have . we dont have freedoms anymore .. Clearly filmed before lockdown.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

well to be fair we can still be rude about them – (“Boris Johnson is a Fucking Cunt” etc). What we seem to be lacking is the ability to stop them doing everything wrong all the time…

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Only song in the top 40 on the official chart website that doesn’t have a link next to it to buy or listen

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

fucking cunts!

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

NHS bed occupancy having been well below 2019 levels across the NHS has finally caught up. However, critical bed occupancy still significantly lower than the 5 year average in every region.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

Tonight I write to you with fear in my heart. We just received a yellow snow warning for my locality. We could receive up to 1cm of snow which may last more than an hour. This will cause untold mayhem and chaos despite all the precautions and measures in place for such a deadly weather predicament.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

and remember ,,, you dont eat yellow snow !!!

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

Thank you for the reminder. I have just been out prepping and have enough toilet roll and tinned food to see us through until late tomorrow afternoon. I will sleep easier now.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Don’t go outside, or you may be some time

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

OMG! How I feel for you in your hour of catastrophe.
I hope you have made peace with your maker.

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Liewe
Liewe
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

OMG, a cm of snow is a cm to much! Do you think SAGE will recommend that clouds must stop snowing? If all the snowflakes would just socially distance the situation could be turned around and many lives could be saved!

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

I am placing my faith in the science and SAGE. They will tell us the right thing to do and at least I can be sure of that. For now I am just looking out of the window every 30 seconds because that snow could be everywhere and get us at any time. Can’t believe I just saw the neighbours leaving in their car – idiots.

Last edited 4 years ago by Sarigan
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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Governance not government.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

I have lived 52 years in Canada and the only yellow snow I have seen was produced by urinating dogs. Maybe your snow passes by Sirius on its way down to Earth.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

Only by dogs?
It’s clearly much warmer here, even in a snowy winter!

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

When I was growing up such events would be reported as heavy snow and people would know what to do. There were no warnings that you could die if you dared to venture outside.

Last edited 4 years ago by Nobody2022
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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Deadly killer snow that will spread to the rest of the country

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

If it’s asymptomatic snow you won’t be able to see it, it won’t even be cold

You will only know it’s fallen if you test for it

Stay in anyway. Stay safe

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I heard asymptomatic snow was the most dangerous. You don’t know you have it and can slip and kill yourself if you are foolish enough to step outside. Will a mask help?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Padding might help. Perhaps a helmet.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Remember, the government say 6 feet equals 2metres, so 1 cm is?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

25/64″ or 0.394″ if you like these things in decimals. So let’s call it half an inch. Ish.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Snowcial distancing

Last edited 4 years ago by Annie
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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

It does look like we are going to get a couple of weeks of proper cold weather though to which I am very much looking forward.

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l835
l835
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

No two snowflake the same, it’s mutating!

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Unprecedented..?

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

set fire to your garden . that should melt the snow . and i think that follows the sage approach to such events

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Close all weather. We need to have nothing but bland run of the mill weather for 6 weeks.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
4 years ago

Hugh Masekela – If There’s Anybody Out There – 1969
Hugh knew what was going down a long time ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPCMfg4jaE

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PhilipF
PhilipF
4 years ago

“Can you have sex in the four tier system? The government rules if you live apart
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/sex-tier-3-2-1-rules-law-covid-dating-allowed/

Unbelievable… Well, it used to be. Another aspect of “1984” becomes reality: Sex Crime.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

Well I guess if you can’t see anyone, sex is out of the question. Unless you do Zoom sex. I don’t want to think about that, or all the spies watching….

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Apparently there’s a answer to that:
“In August, the Terrence Higgins Trust published advice suggesting people avoid kissing, wear a face covering and choose positions that aren’t face-to-face during sex. The organisation maintains that the safest form of sex is with yourself. “

Last edited 4 years ago by Annie
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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

only if you pay for it .. Then it becomes a business meeting which of course is allowed

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

Kind of annoys me more that this is in the Women’s section.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

for (quite literally) fuck’s sake!!!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

Who says sex only happens on a sleepover?
You’re allowed to have tradesmen, so why can’t your partner visit you for essential services?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

CNN: Dr. Fauci explains why his herd immunity estimate has shifted.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/12/27/fauci-coronavirus-herd-immunity-range-estimate-shift-intv-sotu-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Can’t bare to watch the tool. Is it less or more?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  wayno

I don’t know. Was hoping someone else was going to watch it and tell me.

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

😀

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  wayno

Guess we’ll never know 😃

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Oh dear! 😀

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

If this is what someone posted about the other day, he’s basically saying that his initial utterance on what would be a good percentage of the population having the vaccine to aim for was something of a punt, and given that there wasn’t much pushback he’s now upped it. As long as we’re following the science…

It’s a bit like what Ferguson said about the lockdowns

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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I was disgusted beyond words with Ferguson’s admission, and I wonder if other people are equally disgusted – and angry. Maybe Ferguson should consider having a personal bodyguard from now on…

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Alice

Nothing could make me more disgusted with the nasty little bastard. It’s like absolute zero.

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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I wonder if he knows how much he’s hated. I’d like him to know, but it could be a dangerous thing to do…

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Alice

I hope he suffers a solitary, long, agonising, spirit crushing, (natural) death.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Extra long covid?

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  Alice

I posted this below, in response to what Poppy said about Ferguson’s comments in the Times:

I was actually shocked by how candid Ferguson was about this – and I didn’t think anything else in this sorry Rona episode could shock me! It’s so chilling I am going to use the quote in the book I’m trying to finish (about democracy).
While much of what we see is discouraging, I think the reason why the forces of darkness are doubling down now is that they are desperately trying to milk what remaining fear there is out of a declining virus. As we go into spring, respiratory viruses fade out, and in the UK, the restrictions come up for renewal, so we must resist this authoritarianism even more so that the false narrative falls apart publicly.

We must also remember all those who participated in this crime against humanity and those who thought emulating China was a good thing. I really want to see professional humiliation for academic people who have said things like this (there is someone based at Oxford who has done this and she’s also going into my book). It’s beyond disgraceful. It’s evil.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Latest NHS tests conducted & positive results. Positive results less fast than tests conducted.

271220 Test v results.jpg
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dhpaul
dhpaul
4 years ago

Lots of talk in MOS etc about the vaccine rollout meaning that by easter the restrictions, masks, SD etc will disappear. I’ll believe it when I see it. But lets just go along with this a little. The virus won’t have disappeared, it will still pose a level of threat, albeit low. So we might then see things like screens in shops removed, again I won’t hold my breath. But what really interests me is how the NHS will react to this. Will I be able to walk into my local GP surgery again? Will I be able to get my NHS dentist to give me a check up? Or will he still have to disinfect between patients as now, which as an aside surely means that the precautions he took when looking at my teeth pre-covid must have been woefully inadequate.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  dhpaul

I don’t believe it either. Even if they decide to claim victory over this virus they will then claim that all the measures have stopped flu and therefore must be continued forever.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

This is what the scientist psychopaths would like to happen:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-questions-social-distance-mask-transmission

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The article is chockfull of mights and possiblies. This sums up the whole situation:

And since the vaccines don’t work perfectly, and it’s not known yet to what extent they prevent infection, it’s possible that a vaccinated person might get the virus and be able to pass it on to others. 

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  dhpaul

A big part of the problem – as I see it – is NHS staff members (some innocently, others less so) loving the Kudos. Going home calling their middle/older aged parents that they’ve been heroes all day – makes Mum and Dad proud and allays some of their anxieties. Proud parents then spread the stories with a little more embellishment for good measure but relayed as gospel.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  dhpaul

I think the after effects of this will last for decades

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

There is A LOT of cognitive dissonance in the general population to overcome.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I have been saying in any conversations about the lockdowns that there is now no reason why they cannot be with us indefinitely, because they are now based on the numbers of people who might become ill (positive test results) rather than the numbers of people who actually are ill (hospitalisations/deaths). There is usually an awkward silence from those who hear this.

Last edited 4 years ago by Cranmer
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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The social, financial and psychological effects certainly will.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago

Let’s move to Mexico!

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador suggested Wednesday that politicians who impose lockdowns or curfews to limit COVID-19 are acting like dictators.
The comments came as López Obrador once again fended off questions about why he almost never wears a face mask, saying it was a question of liberty.
The Mexican leader said pandemic measures that limit people’s movements are “fashionable among authorities … who want to show they are heavy handed, dictatorship.”
“A lot of them are letting their authoritarian instincts show,” he said, adding “the fundamental thing is to guarantee liberty.”

It was unclear if the Mexican leader was referring to authorities in other countries, or the mainly opposition-party local leaders who have tried to impose limits in Mexico.
Many governments across the world have effectively implemented lockdowns or limits on when people can leave their homes, something López Obrador has fiercely resisted doing, arguing some people live day-to-day on what they earn on the streets.
Some local governments in Mexico have tried to use police to enforce limits on masks or movement, which resulted in scandals of abusive behavior by police. López Obrador argues such measures should be voluntary.
“Everyone is free. Whoever wants to wear a face mask and feel safer is welcome to do so,” López Obrador said.

Also, important case Bosnia_Herzogovina – masks and curfews deemed unconstitutional by the Court.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Wow, that is interesting, and I think I’ve got an old Sombrero somewhere.

Maybe after January the Mexicans will have to start building the wall to stop the American wetbacks from flooding the country.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

Careful with that sombrero. dePiffle will want to flatten it.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

Made me laugh.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Mexico lockdowned over the Swine flu panic.It caused so much economic damage they are in no rush to do it again

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are recent onset of a new continuous cough or a high temperature or a loss of, or change in, normal sense of taste or smell (anosmia).
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/coronavirus-covid-19-list-of-guidance

Same on NHS guidance. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/symptoms/coronavirus-in-children/

No mention of sniffles and runny noses anywhere!!!!!!!!!

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Which also makes me wonder the purpose is swabbing the nasal cavity.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Volunteering for a PCR test is an act of supreme stupidity.
Best case you are exactly where you started. Worst case, you test positive and they put you, your family and your close contacts all under house arrest.
You don’t get any extra medical help, just house arrest.

You have to be truly, truly stupid to volunteer for a PCR test.

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Very true ! As Mike Yeadon said “ stop PCR testing & the Pandemic Ends !!…

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Do you mean why nearly poke someone’s brains out?

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Germany in November discouraged people with sniffles to have a test, partly as they were short of tests.

Considering they, like most countries, have carried out very high amounts of tests since then, I believe people still get them with a runny nose.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

People, misinformed as they are, will get a test to ensure they don’t have to admit the shame of having Covid, or a positive test for SARS-CoV-2 to be exact. Such is the social stigma attached to this year’s flu and anxiety that has been induced in these people. The worry would really be that even despite having the highest level of virtue, they still got caught by the PCR.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

your nominations please for “word of the year” 2020:-

to my mind there can only be one winner – “SHITSHOW”, but no doubt you’ll have your favourites….

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Laura Suckling
Laura Suckling
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Fuckery
Tyranny
Sub humanism

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

PCR. Was never in the general lexicon before now. It’ll forever represent the destruction of any faith we had in the state to protect us from shared risks. Instead, everything is regarded as an opportunity to tigthen the noose and enrich the few.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Yes. I guess without PCR it would never have been possible to introduce the belief that every pleb is individually responsible for the health status of every other pleb- the only risk the state now needs to protect us from is each other. Unfortunately many people buy this and I find it difficult to see how societies will ever recover.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

“Asymptomatic”

AKA – Healthy.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

sadlidie

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

“Case”, as in Wancock is fucking head case.

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PompeyJunglist
PompeyJunglist
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Suicide. Suicide of the West and the suicides of citizens as a result of this policy.

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straightalkingyorkshireman
straightalkingyorkshireman
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

I must admit I like scamdemic.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Unprecedented.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Fear

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DomTaylor
DomTaylor
4 years ago

It was interesting to read Neil Ferguson’s confession that he was inspired by China in prompting lockdowns. Whilst the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) may be more effective at manipulating their published figures than most, evidence captured by NTD TV (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBOqkAGTtzZVmKvY4SwdZ2g) indicates that lockdowns have been just as ineffective at controlling the spread of COVID-19 in China as they have elsewhere.
The issue of CCP influence in UK academia and the health service does seem to be at the heart of recent fanaticism for authoritarian control within these sectors. Sadly Professor Lockdown is not alone in his admiration for the CCP. Most of the university’s from which the most vociferous lockdown proponents hail proudly boast of their links with authoritarian China:

  • https://www.imperial.ac.uk/about/introducing-imperial/global-imperial/east-asia/china/
  • https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2017/nov/ucl-visit-china
  • https://www.ucl.ac.uk/ioe/departments-and-centres/centres/ioe-confucius-institute-schools
  • https://www.ucl.ac.uk/china-health/
  • https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2020/uk-china-symposium-lshtm
  • https://www.nottingham.edu.cn/en/index.aspx
  • https://www.reading.ac.uk/news-archive/press-releases/pr647560.html
  • https://www.gov.uk/government/news/matt-hancock-visits-china-to-promote-co-operation-on-healthcare-innovation
  • https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-16/Public-health-experts-from-China-and-UK-move-to-strengthen-ties-QwmBNLjJp6/index.html

Presumably, in accepting lucrative Chinese students and research grants, academics and health officials are content to turn a blind eye to forced-organ harvesting, enslavement of the Uighurs, annexing of Tibet, oppression of democracy in Hong Kong, intellectual property theft, suppression of academic freedoms, mass surveillance, militarisation of the South China Sea, the ‘Great Leap Forward’ and Tiananmen Square.
And of course, if you have not already read it, I would highly recommend Hidden Hand by Clive Hamilton.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  DomTaylor

It is astonishing that in spite of the CCPs litany of atrocities – Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, one child policy, cultural and ethnic cleansing in Tibet and Xinjiang – it is now held as a model of governance.

It shows that the postmodernists may just have been right all along. “Truth” is just a function of power. It has little to do with reality.

We are seeing the transformation of truth taking place in a flash before our very eyes.

Covid is deadly, masks prevent spread of infection, PCR tests detect infection, a vaccine produced in 6 months is safe.

Truth is just whatever those in power tell us it is.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

For people with no interest in truth in its essential form, yes, but truth is important and should always be sought. Postmodernists be damned.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Hear, hear.
Postmodernism is just a recent manifestation of what has always been rife in the acaademic world: the empty posturing of dead souls.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

And yet… here we are watching the transformation of truth before our very eyes.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

There is “truth” and there is Truth. The latter cannot be corrupted, only hidden.
The Light is being shone on much “truth” right now. We are some of those whose purpose is to focus the Light.
Shine on you crazy diamonds!

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rockoman
rockoman
4 years ago
Reply to  DomTaylor

I think you are giving western governments a free pass they don’t deserve.

They weren’t forced to take the steps they did by China

At the core of it all is the fact that the western dollar-based monetary sytem has reached its end point.

The Repo crisis beginning in September 2019 was the signal.

A great deal of history always domes down to the question of who is going to pay the bills.

Last edited 4 years ago by rockoman
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Monro
Monro
4 years ago

That is two important judgements now in Europe

The first, regarding the inutility of the PCR test, in a country ruled by a fascist dictator up until as recently as 1974

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dgsi.pt%2Fjtrl.nsf%2F33182fc732316039802565fa00497eec%2F79d6ba338dcbe5e28025861f003e7b30

The second, regarding the illiberality of lockdown measures and mandatory masking, in a country whose war of independence only ended in 1995.

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/bih/mjere-zabrane-kretanja-i-obaveznog-nosenja-maski-su-neustavne/201222110

How shameful that the self appointed ‘Mother of all Parliaments’ itself should have shown itself to be simply the mother of a bunch of gelatinous zooplankton

The best comment on the Bosnian judgement?

‘Imagine you sign a convention and then actually respect what you signed’

No chance of that in this country. The signs have been there for all to see::

1993 UK signs Chemical Weapons Convention
2013 UK parliament votes no action re Syrian breaches of Chemical Weapons Convention

1994 UK signed Budapest memorandum guaranteeing Ukraine borders.
2014 Crimea annexed

Should we ever gather the courage, as a nation, to look at ourselves in the mirror in the cold light of dawn, the sight on view, for all to see, will be far from pretty………

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Also this, Italian Court rules the first lockdown illegal.

https://www.francesoir.fr/amp/article/politique-monde/la-phrase-qui-tue-les-decrets-du-pm-italien-sont-illegaux-et-anticonstitutionnels

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Evvviva!

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Does anyone know if the judges in the portuguese case were/ are still to be disciplined?

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

No, they won’t be – was heard by the Portuguese SCM on 2nd December:

https://www.portugalresident.com/portuguese-judges-wont-be-disciplined-over-controversial-ruling-highlighting-doubts-over-covid-test-reliability/

It’s still utterly contemptible that “the science” attempted to have judges hauled over the coals.

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jrsm
jrsm
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

That is indeed amazing – I live in Portugal and had no idea they tried to do such a thing. That would definitely have been the end of democracy, if judges had been disciplined for doing their jobs. It probably was designed as a not-so-subtle threat to dissuade other judges from doing the same.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

The total failure of the House of Lords and the Parliamentary Health Committee to challenge any of this virus nonsense clearly indicates that our system is flawed at the most basic level. 2020 the year my faith and belief in our Parliamentary system, the NHS, the BBC and the Police were totally blown away.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Mine too. Likewise the National Trust (trust!?), and of course the. Christian (now Covidian) Church.
So many feet of clay, by now we must be facing a clay shortage.

Last edited 4 years ago by Annie
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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Sadly mine had already dwindled to zero.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I’ve seen people on here talk about losing our hard fought freedoms.

The reality is that there is (practically) no one left in Britain who has ever. had to fight for freedom or democracy. It has all been handed to us on a plate. And the first moment it has been taken away we haven’t the first clue to do.

In Bosnia, on the other hand, most of the population have first hand experience of what it takes to fight for your freedom. So perhaps that is why their high courts understand that they need to stand up and defend them. Not like the high courts in Britain which have run scared.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I agree with this in toto. Please do not forget the complete dereliction of duty committed by the leaders of ALL the churches. I have been battering at this for months and I have given every clergyman and woman whom I meet a very hard time about all this.
Two points in particular:

  1. I have NEVER heard any clergyman fulminate against ‘snitching’ and spying on one’s neighbours. Never mind fulminations, not even one word!
  2. I have never heard any clergyman say a single word about the fact that our liberties have been stolen. And now we have these accursed QR codes outside our churches. Welby (and the Archbishop of York and I think the Bishops of Oxford and Durham) have seats in the house of Lords. Not a single peep from them.
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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

Nor have I heard of any churchman publicly denouncing the hideous treatment of old people in ‘care’ homes, perhaps the foulest chapter in the whole disgusting story.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Thanks, Annie, I had forgotten that! There is SO much to complain of!!

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

I agree the mainstream churches have been complicit. However, there was a group of Anglican clergy who tried to prevent the closure of churches during Lockdown 1 citing a relevant passage in Magna Carta – IIRC the court threw it out saying that Magna Carta was no longer relevant. Also, there have been one or two independent churches which have defied the lockdowns, such as that one in London where a christening service was broken up by the police – a scene that cannot have been witnessed in this country since the Interregnum.

Last edited 4 years ago by Cranmer
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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

There are quite a few independent churches which have defied lockdown, but we don’t see most of it reported in mainstream media. For those who are interested, I recommend subscribing to e-mail updates from Christian Concern and Christian Institute.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Alice

Thank you for telling me about those sites. I read this news article on Christian Concern with interest. Not something we’ll see on the BBC any time soon, I expect:

After 122 church leaders from England and Wales launched legal action against the government over its decision to close churches during recent lockdowns, we are now expecting an oral hearing on 25 January 2021 in Cardiff, which will determine whether the case will proceed to judicial review.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Thanks, Cranmer, I will look up this.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

Those QR codes need surreptitiously replacing with ones that lead to a covid-sceptic website!

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

https://unherd.com/2020/12/why-i-wont-be-closing-my-church-this-christmas/

Giles Fraser writes in Unherd and is refusing to close his church in South London. Worth a read.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

My goal is never to wear a mask, to never have a test, to never have the vaccine, it keeps me going, everyone needs a goal in life.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

The only problem being that you have to win every time, the scumbags only have to win once.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

They still have to win, in order to win. We just have to make it very hard for them.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Dan, I’ll walk the last mile with you.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Excellent approach to Covid-19 and it mirrors mine exactly.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago

Perhaps no surprise really:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1343197648770232325

ITALY: Piedmont, 70% of nursing home staff REFUSE Pzifer vax “we are not guinea pigs”

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Glass of Barolo all round : saluti!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Yay!!

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

36 Covid cases found among more than 15,000 swabs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090727/Lorries-queue-Dover-cross-Channel-Storm-Bella-delays-ferries.html#comments

When you want to lockdown a city you find thousands.. when you need to clear thousands of lorries you find virtually none.

Last edited 4 years ago by chaos
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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Great result for sceptics.

I live in a town with close to 175,000 population. On Christmas Eve we had a single ambulance in operation according to pandemic sister in law. Such is the level of the pandemic out there. Stay safe.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

and the French authorities were happy to accept these negative tests to lift the block!

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DJ Dod
DJ Dod
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Truckers are famed for their healthy lifestyle. They pioneered the ‘greasy spoon’ diet. It should be no surprise that their immune systems are Covid-resistant.

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Turkowl
Turkowl
4 years ago

As a tale pointing towards the psychological impact of this handling of the pandemic, I would like briefly to recall what happened to me on Christmas Day. In the afternoon I saw a neighbour taking pictures of the registration number of my son’s car (he and and his family were visiting). On returning from a walk with my son’s family my neighbour emerged from his property brandishing a long plank of wood and pursued me down the street ranting violently. If I had not been able to outrun him I don’t know what would have happened (my Christmas could have been spent in ICU). When the police arrived they said that independent witnesses (or a filming of the event) were required to prosecute.
My family and I are very shaken but this is an extreme expression of the level of fear and distrust of others here in North Wales.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago
Reply to  Turkowl

Your neighbour is another victim of the mental illness that politicians have caused.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Turkowl

Sorry to hear this. Are there any other neighbours you could contact who might have witnessed it? This person sounds deranged.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Turkowl

So sorry to hear this, but fear we will hear more of these stories (though not in mSM, of course). The vindictive and unstable, filled with self-righteousness and pseudo-religious fervour have been given the green light to victimise anyone seeking to hold on to their humanity.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Turkowl

That’s unreal. What is wrong with people. Have the repressed something that 2020 has given them permission to now unleash.

I heard tonight a 70 year old woman was taken away by police on Boxing night having had a few visitors, 8pm curfew here in Northern Ireland and all. Neighbour had phoned the police. This is mad beyond belief. So much so, that I think the story has to be wrong.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  Turkowl

Since Christmas Day the drives and roads on our estate are full of new, additional parked cars whilst other houses are in darkness with missing cars. Everything is quiet and peaceful. I wonder…

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
4 years ago

The narcissistic bastards are dancing again, dear friends:

https://youtu.be/YRm6k4X3lFg

Are these arseholes openly mocking the dead and, to a lesser (but significant) extent us, or what?

Last edited 4 years ago by Moderate Radical
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SimonCook
SimonCook
4 years ago

Imperial to set up disease research centre with Saudi support
J-Idea’s director will be Neil Ferguson, one of the world’s most distinguished epidemiologists. He expects 250 to 300 people — doctors, statisticians and data scientists — to work at the institute. “For global health researchers, the explosive growth in data represents an unprecedented opportunity,” said Prof Ferguson. “J-Idea will cut through the noise, driving effective and affordable policy responses that will transform the health of communities around the world.”

https://www.ft.com/content/414bd008-ef3d-11e9-bfa4-b25f11f42901

—

There may not be anything at all in this (from October 2019), but wonder whether the timing is more than coincidental.

Best regards

Simon

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

Do they know how many times he’s got it wrong?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  SimonCook

Shouldn’t that read: ….Neil Ferguson, one of the world’s most notoriously hystrionic epidemiologists ?

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scepticScot
scepticScot
4 years ago

I love Bob’s cartoons but feel sorry for 2020 – its reputation totally trashed by idiot politicians and grasping self-interest.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  scepticScot

True, but think what a comeback there has been for 1984!

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

Orwell just got the date wrong.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

And 1917!

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Alias Margaret
Alias Margaret
4 years ago

Oh dear, did someone turn off the fridge by mistake?

COVID-19: Europe begins vaccination push – but delays in Germany after jab exceeds max temperature
http://news.sky.com/story/the-key-to-getting-our-lives-back-europe-begins-covid-vaccination-push-12173342

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Portnadler
Portnadler
4 years ago
Reply to  Alias Margaret

From the same article:

The first person to be vaccinated at that home was Edith Kwoizalla, 101, and Mr Krueger said 40 of the home’s 59 residents and 10 of the 40 workers wanted the vaccine.

I’m not sure why the other 19 residents and 30 care home workers refused it.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Portnadler

perhaps they were the only ones not on sedatives and were conscious

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Portnadler

Maybe because the drug company openly admits that it doesn’t know whether it stops infections or the spread of infection.

Maybe because the drug company openly admits that it doesn’t know how long the effects of the vaccine last.

Maybe because the drug company openly admits that it doesn’t know if it will cause long term side effects (how can it after 6 months…)

Maybe because it is the first mRNA vaccine to be approved and has only got this far in the first place because the health authorities allowed this one to skip phase 1 animal trials, the phase other mRNA were failing to pass before covid.

Maybe because the “health experts” encouraging everyone to take the vaccine are at the same time saying that social distancing, masks and possibly other measures will need to continue regardless of whether people are vaccinated or not.

We can criticise lockdowns, masks, social distancing, the government’s handling of things, we can criticise almost anything, But say a word against a vaccine that even health officials doubt may solve the problem and has no long term safety record and you are considered a danger to society.

It’s like living in madhouse.

Last edited 4 years ago by stewart
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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  Portnadler

Maybe the 19 have other people, like relatives or an authorised person, like the lawyer interviewed for klagepaten on the 24th, to make the decision for them and they are either still filling in the mountain of paperwork or have said “no”.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Alias Margaret

… did someone turn off the fridge by mistake?

By design? Good for them”!

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago

Bunter, Grubber and the Chuckle Brothers have really done us proud! No longer the Chinese flu, it’s now the British flu:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/27/scientists-call-for-nationwide-lockdown-after-rapid-spread-of-covid-19-variant

Their cynical pronouncements last week have now left the UK as a world pariah. What a bunch of bastards.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1342915302833713153?s=20

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

That’s a bit harsh on bastards. That’s not their fault. These (insert own expletives) knew exactly what they were doing.

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Biggles
Biggles
4 years ago

I’m sorry to break the news, but it looks like we will be in lockdown for the foreseeable future. According to the Independent, Long Covid patients are haunted by an ‘unbearable’ smell of fish. Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

can you clarify. do they smell fish or do they smell of fish?
i thought one of the main symptoms of covid was losing the sense of smell.
also isnt it ironic .. i thought it was us sceptics who thought the whole covid thing smelled fishy.

“My sheeps got no nose ” “how does it smell?” “of fish”

Last edited 4 years ago by mj
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Biggles
Biggles
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

I can confirm that they smell fish and………………burnt toast.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

That figures – the whole thing smells fishy.

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

Any numbers attached to that? Missus smell came back after 3 weeks, next doors after 2. Smells fishy to me 😀

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HoMojo
HoMojo
4 years ago
Reply to  wayno

I lost my sense of smell to a virus eight years ago and it’s never come back, what’s the big deal? Loads of people have ‘anosmia’ from viruses in the past, like loads of people had flu in the past. We didn’t stop the fucking country.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

We’ve all been smelling something fishy since the end of March.,.perhaps we’re all suffering from Long Covid.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

Surely some mistake – shouldn’t that read “Pong Covid”?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

They can obviously smell the shoals of red herring that are being stored in Westminster.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

To my nose, fish smells far less in shops on the continent – because it is fresher. I think the UK people don’t like fish much because it smells and is less fresh on these islands. This is my personal experience.

Having said that, we had some wonderful fresh seafood from Newlyn’s Farm Shop in Hook, Hampshire which I 100% recommend.

Perhaps the above means fish in the UK has become fresher…though if so, this is probably nothing to do with imaginary long Covid.

Last edited 4 years ago by theanalyst
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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

My dog’s got no nose…

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

Terrible..
Covidogfish..

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

Whole thing is fishy.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

Could be a red herring.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

If you lose your sense of smell and then it returns the first thing you smell is the inside of your own head ( which normally you wouldn’t notice). Perhaps they have rancid sinuses.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago

Phew, almost caught up. It’s been taking me over 24 hours to read a day’s comments but I don’t want to miss anything.

Here’s a question that will never be asked, let alone answered.

How many cases of the sCaRy NeW vArIaNt aka covid-21 had the flu vaccine?

I was bombarded with texts, letter and phone calls to the point of harassment. Obviously I was not alone and I assume most of the population succumbed to the pressure and were vaxxed.

Now it’s possible the covid was deliberately introduced into the flu vaccine. More likely it got in via the manufacturing process, I recall seeing an analysis of a vaccine (can’t remember which one) which was found to contain various animal cells, other infectious agents, and something very weird, I thinbk helminths. All presumably dross from the manufacturing process.

Actually more plausible is that the the vaccine directed the immune system against specific flu variants and away from things like covid that were actually present. In some years when they correctly predicted the strains of flu the vaccine was 60 – 70 % effective. One year when they got it wrong it was down around 17%.

I recall this was covered in studies suggesting the flu vaccine made coiroinavirus infection more likely and evidence from Italy suggests this is also true of covid 19.

Whatever the mechanism I strongly suspect the flu vaccine was deliberately used to increase the covid numbers and justify yet another lockdown. Coming shortly, as if Tier 4 wasn’t bad enough.

I had a further thought, they will try to make the covid vaccine as safe as possible, to lull us into a false sense of security. The bad stuff will be in one of the boosters a year or two down the line. Well that’s exactly what I’d do if I was a psychotic dwarf who wanted to crash society and the economy to benefit my friends.

Last edited 4 years ago by chris c
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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  chris c

There is a genuine phenomenon called vaccine interference where one vaccine reduced the effectiveness of other vaccines.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

There’s evidence to suggest that last year’s flujab made the early corona symptoms worse. Sorry, I can’t provide links but one was a study from the Pentagon.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

question here is, the annual flujab-how widespread is it. Europe, Asia etc?

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CapLlam
CapLlam
4 years ago
Reply to  chris c

My friend had it due to her work and she was told by the nurse not to get a test as it would be positive.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  chris c

Goodness me, have you been reading my thoughts recently, especially about the innocuous first dose of vaccine??!!

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  chris c

It could be simply that the flu vaccine encouraged mild symptoms, especially as schools were returning. People run for tests, not flu as that is not happening, but Covid. PCR does the rest

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Portnadler
Portnadler
4 years ago
Reply to  chris c

You could look at it in a different way and say that lots of people who might have had the flu didn’t, due to their having had a flu vaccination (at least that is how it is meant to work). And therein lies the problem.

Whatever flu might do, one possibility is that it reacts with cells in order to clear out the bad and prime the body for the onslaught of winter – homeostasis in action. With the vaccination, that doesn’t happen and the person is left wide open for the next virus to take on the job. Enter covid-19.

Flu is seen as an unmitigated evil with no regard to the possibility that it may be the body’s way of clearing stuff out. Flu isn’t nice but the body doesn’t mess about when its survival is at stake.

Not everyone who has the flu jab will get covid-19 (their body is in a good state); but everyone who gets covid-19 will have had the flu jab. Try as I might, I cannot find any reports of covid-19 that don’t involve a person in a group that is recommended for flu vaccination: the over 65s, the immuno-compromised, the obese, health care workers, doctors, pregnant women, people with learning disabilities. These people make up the roll-call of coronavirus deaths. The young and unvaccinated are nowhere to be seen.

Coincidence? Possibly (as people who are old and vulnerable are the target group for vaccination) but who knows?

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

Just caught a bit of TV news and wondered if there can possibly be anyone at all left who is still swallowing this bull. “And these hospitals are filled to capacity as the NHS buckles under the awesome weight of all those piled up corpses!”

Can they say anything now? “And tonight, a special interview with Adolf Hitler who has been discovered doing a stand-up comic routine in Blackpool!”

Last edited 4 years ago by George Mc
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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Loads of people! They are enjoying their starring roles as heroes in the Walking Dead (not realising they are the zombies) and are looking forward to the next 5 seasons. Plenty of bravery and self-sacrifice left in the tank.

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james007
james007
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

In the whole of my constituency (which is in Tier 4), there were 2 Covid deaths last week. The week before that 1, and the week before that 1. It isn’t exactly the black death is it?

(I regularly email my MP with this data, and ask him if he thinks that turning our country into a communist state is proportionate).

If our local is overworked, it will be because of the massive cancer treatment backlog, 10-15% of staff self-isolating, and the usual winter peak demand.

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  james007

Indeed. Sadly there are reports emerging all over the country now of neglect for things like cancer treatment – just one example of several recently: Sherwin Hall, a young father, (under 30) multiple visits to hospital, literally begged for help & scans: Dr’s eventually relented and found a malignant tumour in his pelvis, and 30 other smaller ones in his lungs. According to his family, he was told several times, that his cancer scanning & treatment was being sidelined because covid was being prioritized.

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james007
james007
4 years ago
Reply to  String

That is so sad. My sister is a cancer nurse and they are rationing care and prioritising cases. Basically choosing who should be treated.
Remember in March, when they said we had to have a lockdown – otherwise hospitals would be choosing who should live?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Was talking to a nurse on Christmas Day. She said the problem is staff self-isolating because of +test, babysitting +tested kids, or genuinely ill due to stress and knackeredness from trying to cover for all the staff absences.

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rockoman
rockoman
4 years ago

“Do mask mandates work”?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQyLFdoeUNk

!h 40 mins debate.

Mask advocate gets taken apart by the relentless Denis Rancourt.

Last 10 minutes are especially ‘entertaining’.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

Oh my. 3 piece suite+tie versus tieless shirt. No chance!
Kyle really needs to watch his blood pressure.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Indeed, his anger is just a sign of his lack of professionalism really. DR is a sage compared to him.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

So we’re back at the dawn of the enlightenment when Galileo had to endure debates about whether the sun revolved around the earth of vice versa.

If we keep regressing at this pace, we’ll be back in the dark ages by summer.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The medievals knew how to party. Bring it on is all I can say!

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Waldorf
Waldorf
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

We will be making the ultimate sacrifice – a goat.

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Joseph
Joseph
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

Kyle was decimated in that. A really unpleasant individual – patronising, aggressive and I’d go as far as saying unhinged.

Love how the comments are universally calling him out!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Joseph

Yes I got bored scrolling down the comments trying to find a non-sceptical one

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

That Kyle is so unhinged even if he was right there’s no way he, or anyone of his mentality, should be allowed anywhere near government policy.

No wonder everything’s falling to bits.

Last edited 4 years ago by Noumenon
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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago

Church was enjoyable today, several people took off masks after the service and we chatted and ate chocolates. I sang quietly despite the rules. We prayed for a member’s Aunt who has covid, I think she’s only the second case in the congregation’s circle. I hope she’s OK.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Hope that wasn’t the only person you prayed for!

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

No,we prayed for several cancer sufferers too.

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55461390

‘Covid-19: London Ambulance Service receives as many 999 calls as first wave’

The article is based on ‘an internal message to all staff’ sent by LAS chief executive Garrett Emmerson from which we learn,

‘London Ambulance Service (LAS) received as many emergency calls on 26 December as it did at the height of the first wave of Covid-19, the BBC has learned. Nearly 8,000 calls were received, a 40% increase on a typical “busy” day. Patient demand was “now arguably greater” than during the first wave, an internal message to all staff said.’

But what is this ‘patient demand’? The article is leading you to believe it is the demand for treatment by genuine covid sufferers. Not so:

‘LAS said it was “working urgently” to reduce delays. It urged people only to dial 999 with genuine life-threatening emergencies and to use 111 if possible.’

But then we read, “The demand is occurring because of the rapid spread of the new variant of the Covid-19 virus…”

Disingenuous or what? The demand is not caused BY the rapid spread of the virus but by reporting ON the rapid spread of the virus.

In short, it is a self-fulfilling warning. Whip them up, watch them go, and then report on the damage they do as if it was just happening ‘naturally’.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

I had a very similar opinion when I read that article too: Completely without context but strongly implying that covid was the driving the demand without providing evidence. My thought was – How different is demand to previous Boxing Days? What injuries are people presenting with etc. etc.

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

The article is half a story as it doesn’t really mention what the large number of calls were actually for. Would anyone be surprised if majority were hysterical people phoning for ambulances at the slightest hint of feeling unwell ‘I’m dying of deadly covid, send an ambulance immediately’ due to over the top hysteria in media about alleged deadly new strain.

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John
John
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

University hospitals of Leicester had over 400 admissions for respiratory disorders this week in 2019 or 60 a day or 1 every 25 minutes.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Funny how a virus variant that has been around for months has suddenly run rampant – and yet the number of truck drivers with a virus (let alone an infectious one) is miniscule.

Last edited 4 years ago by RickH
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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago

Fuck ’em. Now, what was the question?

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago

Vaccination, that’s my by-word
Vaccination’s what you need
If you’ve already had the test
And you’re more virtuous than the rest
Vaccination’s what you need…

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

If you wanna be a covid breakeeeerrr…

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Alex Belfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBfrHVqPo44

Julia Hartley Brewer & Nick Ferrari should be sacked immediately say snowflake lefties!

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

A bit of light entertainment from Canada:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=opera+revue

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John
John
4 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55461390 apparently the number of 999 calls are now worse than at the height of the pandemic. However, they don’t say how they compare with this time last year.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  John

It’s worth considering that people may be reluctant to call on friends/family and the default course of action will now be to call emergency services in most situations.

No idea how much this would increase the figures but it’s likely to have a considerable effect.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

If you can’t see your GP and 111 is useless or unavailable, 999 is your only recourse.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

As happened to us this week. We’ve been trying to get an urgent referral and treatment for my son for a month. They gave him an outpatients appointment for mid January, I thought it unlikely he’d make it to Christmas. We called the ambulance on Tuesday as he was nearing collapse. All the box tickers have gone home for Christmas so his earliest chance for the treatment he needs will be next Tuesday. PALS told us to contact our GP ( useless), phone 111 ( useless) or in an emergency 999. Well they created the emergency.

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BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Hope it works out ok for your son. Thinking of him.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  BTLnewbie

Thank you, much appreciated.

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Indeed they did. Heart aches for you – hope all goes well; kick up one helluva stink if it doesn’t. X

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

This is unconscionable. My thoughts are with you and your son and I hope he gets the treatment he needs immediately. Like Jane said, I’d scream bloody murder in order to get him treated.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Suicides are high around new Year in normal times. I dread to think what this year will be like.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

It sounds like The Times have used the interview with NF as a stalking horse (to very good effect) but the other papers simply haven’t picked it up. Undermining lockdown simply doesn’t shift copy.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago

My 76 year old mum is now driving back to Tier 2 Cumbria this evening after 5 nights in now Tier 4 Hampshire. She would have gone back tomorrow morning but for the risk of snow and dangerous roads.

We’ve had a great Xmas and she has been spending quality time with us, her grand daughter, and her 2 y/o great grand daughter. Everyone hugged. No social distancing. Some of us have antibodies (we paid for a test in May when epidemic was over) Mum was a career nurse. She knows its all bull.

I’m proud of my 76 year old mum and hope there is no hold up on the M6 tonight.

Last edited 4 years ago by theanalyst
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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Be very proud of your mother.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Let’s hope that this sort of example of saying ‘f.it’ to the impositions has been widespread.

It may not produce immediate results, but it is a start.

We also had as normal a time as was feasible, without anti-social distancing,given some constraints re. genuinely vulnerable individuals, and some sheer practicalities of travel.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

If I look at Northern Ireland’s bed count, it’s been in terminal decline over the last 10 years.
• Available hospital beds Northern Ireland 2009-2020 | Statista

From 7,200 to 5,200 and that is with a growing population both in number and age.
That 5,200 number is a reflection of general estimated bed numbers. Not really real time. What is real time is the Department of Health’s daily dashboard and guess what the number of beds is stated as?

2,895 beds of which 2,888 are currently occupied
Microsoft Power BI

This is shocking to me. The dashboard sets off alarm bells showing 100% occupancy in hospitals in Northern Ireland. There were reports of 7 ambulances in the Antrim Area Hospital last week treating patients as they waited in a queue outside the ER and this bounced the local gov into another 6 week lockdown. My town has been in full lockdown now since October 3rd save for a week before Christmas.

So why the huge drop? Is is social distancing of beds? Of staff being relocated and isolated on top? Who the hell knows. This kind of context is just side-lined. Nobody here is asking these questions in any public capacity.

Last edited 4 years ago by BeBopRockSteady
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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

The who NHS has halved available beds in the last 30 years. Down from just under 300k. All the time, the population has been increasing. It’s a manufactured overwhelming of the system that we see every winter.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

It’s another aspect of the appalling standard of reporting that we suffer.

There was a time when decent investigative reporters would have been all over these different aspects like a rash.

Not now.

The BBC and Channel 4 get a lot of justifiable stick for pathetic complicity. But – even in the case of the BBC – ’twas not always thus, despite its establishment bent. There was a time when Panorama, for instance, genuinely did do uncomfortable stuff. Similarly, Channel 4’s ‘Despatches’ (10 years ago, for instance,Peter Oborne did an incisive examination of the Israel Lobby’s dire influence on the politics of the nation).

Not now – despite some picking around the edges.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

V. true. Panorama were completely shown up by a certain MrTR. Sweeney who was caught on camera coming out with many unGuardian like comments about gays, gypsies, Irish, women etc while quaffing copious amounts of alcohol during working hours had to leave the BBC service. The BBC claimed the documentary would still appear. It never was. Liars. Is Dispatches still going? It used to be good but haven’t seen or heard anything from them in the last couple of years. Journalism in the MSM in both the UK and USA is pretty much dead.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

I mentioned earlier the Council of Europe report on H1N1.

[ https://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2010/20100604_H1N1pandemic_e.pdf ]

I could pick out the whole of the conclusions as being relevant – but this one struck me forcibly :

“64. The rapporteur considers that some of the outcomes of the pandemic, as illustrated in this report, have been dramatic: distortion of priorities of public health services all over Europe, waste of huge sums of public money, provocation of unjustified fear amongst Europeans, creation of health risks through vaccines and medications which might not have been sufficiently tested before being authorised in fast-track procedures, are all examples of these outcomes. From the rapporteur’s perspective, these results need to be critically examined by public health authorities at all levels with a view to rebuilding public confidence in their decisions. Public health authorities need to be better prepared for the next infectious disease of pandemic scope, which might be of greater severity.”

I think we can safely say that, far from ‘lessons being learned’, the lessons of that other fake pandemic were thoroughly trashed by the same interest groups.

Once might be a mistake. But ….

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago

The Daily Mail Headline of the moment is nonsensical and is being paid for by those with financial interests who even use different names and claim to be in two jobs at the same time. Call me out if I’m wrong. This cuts to the heart of the issue. The paid for media are driving this lunacy.

Look at the name of the journalist here. Ameila Wynne. Google it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090939/Millions-Britons-face-plunged-Tier-4-lockdown-week.html

https://muckrack.com/amelia-wynne

https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-wynne-4787273a/

Who is paying for Emma (or is it Amelia?) Daily Mail, Australia Broadcasting Corporation, or a Bill Gates financial giveaway? I think the latter.

We need more shout outs against mass media. Utter bollo*ks paid for article.

Just my humble opinion.

Last edited 4 years ago by theanalyst
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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

The mutant strain bit us nonsensical, but surely the risk of more going into tier 4 (or just lockdown 3) is factual.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

“Lockdown 3”

We’re still in Lockdown 1, have been since March

Lockdown continues until pre-March normality is restored

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Argh! Sorry incomplete comment and couldn’t edit. Yes, it’s all different shades of the same bollx, but it will do its job with the masses. Keeps people cowed if they think there is a prospect of additional punishment

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I, similarly, have been unable to discern the hiatus between each lockdown. Life has been royally fucked up since it began.

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TimeIsNow
TimeIsNow
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

So true. A surprising prison break on my conformist street over Christmas. Feels much more sceptical. I’m telling everyone to turn the BBC off. Are we turning a corner? Thoughts please.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Correct. It is – I was referring to sentences like “The next tier review is on December 30 and infections continue to climb”

I don’t think they climbed on 25th December. I don’t think they climbed Boxing Day or today either. No-one of sound mind thinks this.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

The threat is there but the numbers in the Midlands and North, even with fake stats don’t warrant CCP shutdown.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

DM commenter sums it up:

So Christmas day mixing has caused this?? Thought the virus takes a week to show symptoms. Then you need a test. Results then take a day or two. It’s only been 2 days since Christmas day so how are the current figures down to mixing bubbles. This manipulation of the data would be funny if most of the country didn’t believe what’s being reported.

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jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

They don’t even try to hide their lies anymore.Why should they,no one is holding them to account.
They are getting more fantastical from 4000 deaths a day to a mutant strain that is 70% more infectious.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

the Nigerian strain may jump the shark

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

The Nigerian strain won’t infect you. It will just phish your bank details.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Notice how the fear factor is being ramped up now that Christmas is over.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

No, but I don’t watch mainstream media. No fear here.

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Same,not for about 8 months

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Just caught the ITV news, it certainly is. However, its been this way since the Pfzier vaccine was approved I think. Cases – Fear – Ambulance Scenes – Hospitals At Capacity – Vaccine – Hope – All In This Together – IGNORE

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

yep, given I live in London I should be kept awake by the sirens

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

It was reliably reported thag during the first lockdown ambulance crews were asked to flash their blue lights when on the move even when there was no need eg returning to their normal waiting area after a call out. I think it’s true. The streets were pretty deserted but I noticed ambulances always had the blue lights on. It was all about raising the perception of peril.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago

Vaccine hesitancy across Europe:

https://twitter.com/SandraWeeden/status/1343303821775265792

Poland less than 40% want the jab, Bulgaria 45%, France 46%, Italy 36%, Sweden 33%. The issue is the speed of development.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Source: Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines-resis-idUKKBN2910J4

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

“Myself, I am vaccinated against everything I can be,” Bishop Tihon told reporters after getting his shot, standing alongside the health minister in Sofia.

A common tactic, hire the local religious leaders to affirm their support.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Call it desperation by the authorities myself ;o))

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Sadly, there isn’t a vaccine against stupidity

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Roll up your sleeve Bish, here comes the saline…

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Let’s take these numbers at face value. If a government feels it is right to force/coerce such people into having a vaccine then that government does not represent the people.

It should lose all legitimacy on that basis alone.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

If there are that many of us (half of NHS staff, maybe?) then the government has a real problem. All governments have a real problem. lol

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

But governments are supposed to represent the science now, not us. Get with the program!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Maybe but 2020 has also been a big lesson for Europeans about how their governments lie to them over matters of life and death. Also – one prediction I got right – the silver lining of the Covid cloud has been that the public have learnt a lot more about vaccine safety. Prior to Covid, the MSM – conniving with Big Pharma and Government – had kept up this facade that all vaccines are “safe” and that to even mention “adverse resctions” in public showed you were some kind dangerous nutjob extremist.

Now? Well of course it’s Pfizer, Moderna and Astra-Zeneca who are referring to adverse reactions caused by their products (!) and although there is still the drumbeat propaganda of “vaccinatom will save us” the public are much better informed and are beginning to understand there is a balance of risks when it comes to vaccination v non-vaccination, not safety over risk.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I’m not all hesitant. Tell me how the full trials went in 3 years time. And it’s not a vaccine; it’s an immunotherapeutic. 🤓

Last edited 4 years ago by Dorian_Hawkmoon
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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Happy to get vaccinated but as I haven’t seen a doctor in over 25 years I guess I will need to register. Hopefully they will fast track me….

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

You are joking?

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I reckon so …

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

All Governments know many won’t take the vaccine, that’s what they want, to string this out until the reset is complete. If you study the great depression of 1929 the ffull force of unemployment wasn’t felt immediately, then suddenly whoosh, everything collapsed. I don’t know when that day is here, but it’s not ready yet, hence the need to keep this going.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

Spent quite a lot of time during the Christmas period talking to an Italian activist sceptic

Situation there seems pretty similar to here – there are people fighting it in various ways but not much mainstream opposition

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Joseph
Joseph
4 years ago

Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19 didn’t occur at all, study of 10 million finds
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/asymptomatic-transmission-of-covid-19-didnt-occur-at-all-study-of-10-million-finds

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Joseph

The evidence keeps on coming but seems to evade all of the governments advisers.

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l835
l835
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

As Ferguson said, they know they can get away with it.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

The DM is very hyper this evening

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Well you would be, sitting on a fence spike! Can’t be comfortable especially when you try to face in both directions.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Sunderland Covid-19 outbreak: Fourth game is postponed amid “volume” of cases – BBC Sport

Any Black Cat fans? Get some lateral flow into ya and end the pain

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Ivor Cummins looks like he’s producing a monthly bulletin on Irish Covid situation. Good for anybody looking to provide a short alternative summary of matters there.

Ivor Cummins on Twitter: “IRELAND RISES. They need to download and print out this – and deliver it EVERYWHERE: https://t.co/YlsxVWwa0m Post: https://t.co/AT8NyabqNG” / Twitter

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

nothing in Cork?-the rebel county

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Joel Smalley on Twitter: “Since 2nd Nov, there is no statisitcally meaningful correlation between deaths within 28 days of a positive COVID test and all-cause excess death. There is no signal at normal scale, log scale or diff-log, suggesting the two are independent of each other. https://t.co/Yn1BWFYuub” / Twitter

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

That’s a good piece of basic statistical work, highlighting the massive question marks around the nature and scale of PCR testing as a diagnostic procedure.

And, of course, he’s quite right – any decent responsible authority would be right into these questions … which suggests ….

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Anyone know why the want us to be locked down at New Year? Law Abiding citizens under house arrest !

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Gotta get Biden over line and CCP like us damaging our economies.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

With all the panic on the MSM news this evening about London 999 calls, it seems its over 50% down on March peak (blue line), also case numbers show exactly what you’d expect with PCR. Many people hotstepped into getting tested for peace of mind ahead of Christmas dinner. I wonder how many isolated when they found out they were PCR + within ten days of the big day. Look at the ramp up, totally irregular and not demonstrative of natural spread. Just an artefact of more people getting tested

Progression dashboard – NHS Digital

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Last edited 4 years ago by BeBopRockSteady
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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

the MSM news this evening about London 999 calls

I’m in London and haven’t heard sirens for months and months; what a load of old bull.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

A very strange anecdote this, a policy of using hospitals as overspill when care home outbreaks reach a certain level.

“I also know of cases where struggling nursing home has bussed in whole cohort of community diagnosed positives not because of clinical need but for infection control”

https://twitter.com/brendanm0ran/status/1342186297633472512

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Developers of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine Tied to UK Eugenics Movement – unlimitedhangout.com

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Just reading this from the article “To fully finance Hill and Gilbert’s Vaccitech, and specifically its quest to develop a universal flu vaccine, Oxford Science Innovations sought £600 million from “outside investors,” chief among them the Wellcome Trust and the venture-capital arm of Google, Google Ventures. This means that Google is poised to make a profit from the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine at a time when its video platform YouTube has moved to ban COVID-19 vaccine–related content that shines a negative light on COVID-19 vaccines, including the Oxford-AstraZeneca candidate. “

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james007
james007
4 years ago

I feel quite depressed tonight. I had a nightmare last night that the police were going round schools, and arresting teachers who were passing on “dangerous” ideas to children. Politicians were considering extending the rules to all adults, including parents.
Today I was thinking that most people now seem to think in binary. If you have questions about the vaccine – you’re an “anti-vaxer” (described by the PM as “nuts”). If you are sceptical about lockdowns, you are a “covid-denier” or a “conspiracy theorist”. This binary thinking extends into many areas of debate, the US election, BLM, the NHS.
I worry that people are loosing the ability to think properly and independently. They fail to see that rarely is an issue binary – there are always nuances and questions. And rarely is an idea dangerous. It is never dangerous to question, debate and reason.
Grown adults, with careers and influence can’t actually think. It is terrifying.
Hope for a better night’s sleep tonight.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  james007

Tbh, I gave up on about half of the people in know and their ability to think critically at least 20 years ago.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  james007

Your “nightmare” was a sound piece of rational analysis. Many inventions, songs and other useful information have come to people during sleep. You can enjoy a good rest tonight knowing you are a sane and insightful person. 🙂

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  james007

Can’t disagree with any of that –

As I ranted a bit elsewhere here just a while ago, I find everything you said to be true and I start to think it’s me that’s going bonkers, because of the constant narrative that seems to have made people I once thought intelligent, apparently incapable of questioning what they are fed daily.

Binary does seem to be the only result now.

With older people I think it’s a burying of heads, and a belief that it will “all be ok in a bit”!

With younger people it’s a lack of attention span and the, once common desire to question everything, has gone.

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  james007

In a way it’s a sign we are winning. When your opponent resorts to name calling — anti-vaxxer, covid denier — instead of arguing the facts, they have lost. I know it doesn’t feel like we’re winning and every day is frustrating, but the zombies can’t come up with anything better than name calling as an argument. Very juvenile and the sign of a simple mind.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

I’m not sure bout ‘winning’ – but it’s proof positive that we are right, since the covmaniac arguments can’t stand up to scrutiny.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago

Well, is there any point any more?

I wake up in the morning wishing I hadn’t.

I go to bed at night half hoping I won’t wake up the next day.

We are screwed day by day with more lies and bullshit.

We are tortured on every bloody radio station with “infomercials” from the effing government which, whilst I know they are crap, do my head in!

Everywhere I look I see the bizarre and weird sight of my fellow Britons muzzled and wandering around like zombies from a horror movie.

I hear people I once thought quite bright telling me it’s because of the fucking “danger” and even people I love looking at me with pity, as though I might have a “problem”!

Well I do have a problem, and I am not sure how much more of it I can take.

Have had a few of the Aussies finest “Merlot” red sleeping drafts (getting a bit expensive now), so probably making a pillock of myself (nothing new there though) and will unfortunately probably wake up again tomorrow and see this post and be mortally embarrassed!

Whatever!

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

Sounds pretty lucid to me! Don’t be embarrassed. Tomorrow is another day which can be better if you make it so.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Thanks!

I do try, it’s just getting harder and harder.

I have had a bit of a crap last 3 or 4 years for various reasons, and I had decided 2020 would be a good year and was feeling positive about all sorts in January.

Then came February and I thought “Oh well that’s a bit of a bummer!” and then… and then…. and so on…

I will try to stay positive….I think!

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

Keep with it fella, been there, just keep venting, no one is judging

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  wayno

Thanks – what would we do without this place?!

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

I know, I honestly think I’d have lost it without knowing I’m not insane and others see what we do.

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  wayno

The lies might have become too big to fail, but we will go to our deaths knowing we were right. We may be a minority, but we are large enough to push back and to remind each other we’re not the crazy ones.

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assoc
assoc
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

Don’t watch TV news, don’t listen to radio news. If you must watch TV there is an excellent channel called ‘Talking Pictures’ (on Freeview) that shows old black and white films and series like Professionals and Persuaders. All from a pre-covid and pre-woke age when all was hunky-dory in middle England. Go for a long walk while it’s still legal.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  assoc

Haven’t done any TV news for quite a while. I only listen to Talk Radio and a local music station which is quite a good distraction and if in the car I just hit “mute” when the crap comes on!

Have watched some of the older (fun) stuff like you mentioned online, along with some delightfully “non-PC” comedy which helps I must say.

Trouble is you have to come back to reality at some point! But thanks for responding.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

Yes, important not to expose yourself to the lie machine too much. Personally I tend to stick to Talk Radio and music stations, though even Talk Radio went all vaccine jubilato and came a cropper recently once they realised it wasn’t the end of the madness. On the other hand I do like to sample the enemy propaganda, so will dip into the BBC News site, Guardian, Sunday papers and Newsnight as the mood takes me. Important to know how the enemy – those seekingnto deprivemus kf our liberty – are thinking. But must admit these diversions have become less frequent as the propaganda has become more and more predictable.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Yeah you could probably do a “Mystic Meg” these days and say what you will find on the Bullshit Broadcasting Corporation et al, and not be far off.

Ironically just hearing a new “safety” message on local music radio about New Year’s Eve,

I would love to know the identity of the voice-over scumbags making these for cash – they know what they are doing and should pay a price for it!

Ah well, Aussie sleeping draft coming to the end, so might hit the sack.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

A message to Ivor Cummins (satire)
Ivor, my imaginary friend, a man of many children, many graphs, many explanatory videos that a child could understand (but not politicians), much logic and data (spock would love it), a great beard, a calm manner and many working hours a day (27 the last time I checked) – you’re still twittering as I write this – what the hell are you doing? Get a life!  I’ve read your great fat book but what fuel are you burning to keep going like this?  It’s no food stuff that I’ve encountered. We’ve had enough of your positivity! Give it up. We can’t take it any longer. Give us some COVID death cult reality – stop saying it isn’t real. Your logic, reasoning  and sanity is becoming too much.  Get on board with the agenda before it kills you. Have a great evening.

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rockoman
rockoman
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7-MyvrT_5M&feature=emb_logo

Resistance!

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

I know how she feels!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

Just saw that on another site. When Americans stand their ground sure do .

People in the UK probably don’t realise but soon into the new year Trump supporters are going to be heading for DC, not in the thousands or tens of thousands but likely in their hundreds of thousands and maybe millions. This is going to be a full blown crisis. Either Pence himself might refuse to accept the electoral votes when it comes to their counting or, more likely, there might be sufficient Republican Senators and Reprentatives to talk out the counting process (each elected member of Congress gets 2 hours to make their cases).

There’s a new serous claim out tonight that forensic examination has shown the Georgia machines (or rather tabulator, at the end of the process ) were (covertly) linked to China. An interesting development.

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Russel
Russel
4 years ago

Dear Lockdown Sceptics. I think there is a way to end lockdowns with immediate effect. Since we are ‘all in it together’ surely it is right that MPs should all take 20% pay cut and a randomly selected 10% of them should lose their pay entirely should they continue to vote for any restrictions. Same with SAGE. Accept the same terms if you want to be in it. Same with the BBC if that’s possible. You’ll see immediately no talk of the virus in the media, SAGE will effectively disband by itself. Literally overnight the lockdowns will end.

Can you campaign for this?

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

First time a UK scientist Andrew Hill Livepool University coming out for Ivermectin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOAh7GtvcOs&feature=youtu.betreatment&ab_channel=TratamientoTemprano

“Meta-analysis of ivermectin studies done by the University of Liverpool for WHO and the logic behind waiting for 3 additional trials due in January to confirm that “this is going to be a transformational drug”

Ivermectin.png
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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Great find, but I know this cure doesn’t fit into the narrative. £1/£2 per treatment. SAGE will have a heart attack.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Virtual silence in the MSM about a Ivermectin . Information control to support the narrative. I bet you these trials were in the worst possible conditions for Ivermectin – nothing in the normal range and still it shines through as an effective treatment. It seen known about for at least six months! And sill are applying all these delaying tactics.

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Bill H
Bill H
4 years ago

So, who are ‘the police’.

Are they simply Robocops? Do they have no views on the ‘duties’ they are asked to perform ?

A while back some Spanish police were pictured ‘coming out’ against lockdowns.

I’d wager the police are a weak link. As individuals, they must see what is unfolding….

I think we will see some snapping.

Views ?

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

I wish, but I don’t think so.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

PCs are very PC these days. The enthusiasm with which they lay into lockdown sceptics is not entirely down to orders received.

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this is my username
this is my username
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill H

Bill, I remember seeing a very interesting protest some years ago where the protestors all just carried mirrors, which faced the police. How would our police feel if faced with themselves in an otherwise silent protest?

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago

QUESTION for MODS!

I am getting multiple confirm subscription to lockdown sceptics emails.
Are these EACH specific to a post where I have rememeberd to uncheck the don’t receive notification of replies?
Or is it teething problems?

Degrading the communication facility is part of the Great Brain Robbery.
I understand why you might want more protections against 77 ways to set people into doubt, division and diversions of delay and distraction so as to deny a consciousness from growing as a movement of recognition and integrative response.

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