For two years we’ve been told by senior NHS operatives that the responsibility for assessing the need for masks to be worn in health care settings has been ‘delegated’ to individual NHS Trusts. Decisions would be made based on the local prevalence of respiratory infections and their associated risks.
Work carried out by anti-mask campaign group, Smile Free, has found this to be a falsehood. NHS staff and service users continue to be subjected to the undocumented whims of unaccountable mask mavens; people who appear also to feel that legislation aimed at fostering a culture of openness in public life does not apply to them.
Ever since 2020, when the ‘health service’ portion of the Medical-Industrial Complex – a.k.a the NHS – and its co-collaborators, the Government, flip-flopped on the question of mask efficacy, we, the public, have been sold the sham that a piece of ill-fitting cloth can insulate us from a respiratory infection.
What we know, with absolute clarity and certainty, is that face masks serve only two possible purposes:
- As a comforter and pacifier for the frightened;
- As a means of creating compliance and conformity amongst those wearing them.
The entire schtick of mutual support and care, encapsulated in the psychological nudgers’ weasel words, “I wear mine to protect you”, is founded on a lie. As opposed to the nonsense espoused by Followers of The ScienceTM, real scientific evidence, found in real evidence-based research, has confirmed that the only contribution masks make is to increase harmful effects amongst long-term wearers.
What has the NHS’s institutional response to the facts been?
During these past three years, Smile Free has campaigned vigorously against masks. Twice, in the summers of 2022 and 2023, we wrote open letters to the NHS Chief Executives of the four home countries, co-signed by thousands of doctors, scientists, medical professionals and members of the public. We asked first that they fall into line with other community settings and remove routine ‘requirements’ for mask wearing, and latterly that they issue new guidance explicitly discouraging masking in healthcare settings.
When, or if, we received a reply, the message from the likes of NHS England’s Chief Nursing Officer, Dame Ruth May, was that masking and other non-pharmaceutical interventions were a matter of “local discretion” and may be used “depending on local prevalence and risk assessment”, a feature of the masking system we called the postcode lottery.
(‘Risk assessment’ – a decision-making tool for systematically identifying hazards and associated risks – is one component of an overall three-pronged risk analysis process, the others being ‘risk management’ and ‘risk communication’.)
Call us sceptical, but we harboured doubts about the objectivity of a bureaucratic process that relied on the overweening influence and power of Infection Control Teams. Often under the direction of a pettifogger, we suspected the activation of safety theatre that left thousands of staff and service users badgered to wear the useless face rags might lack the rigour we would have hoped for.
What did we do?
We decided to put the claims of the NHS ‘higher ups’ to the test: we set out to review measurement of local prevalence and assessment of risks arising from respiratory infections in general, and COVID-19 in particular. During the period between September 2023 and February 2024 we identified seven NHS Trusts (Barnsley, East Suffolk & North Essex, Sheffield, Sherwood Forest, South Warwickshire, United Lincolnshire, University Hospital Southampton) that had restarted the mandated wearing of masks across at least some of their estates.
These trusts were chosen because they decided – and announced – that COVID-19 infection levels were “soaring“, and because they think that masks “prevent further spread and protect patients“. (Why they think these things, we have no idea. We think there is zero evidence to support either assertion.)
Via Freedom of Information (FOI) requests, we raised with each trust these questions:
- Within the geographical boundaries covered or served by your trust, what were COVID-19 case numbers (per 100,000 people), by month, since October 2022 until the present day?
- What was the most recent date that these mask measures were subject to risk assessment and updated?
- What was the latest risk assessment document used to determine that it is necessary for you to reintroduce face masks?
- What were any and all risk assessments that have been used since March 2020 to determine that it is necessary for you to mandate the wearing of face masks?
What were the results of our FOIs?
All trusts failed to offer any statistics on community COVID-19 prevalence within their catchment service areas. Two, Southampton and South Warwickshire, were able to provide some data about COVID-19 rates amongst admitted patients; but not one collected, retained or even appeared to analyse case data from across their entire geographic field of operation. All (bar East Suffolk and North Essex, who flatly stated that “we do not have that data”) pointed at the UKHSA as holder of the information. None were able to show how they had used these actual numbers as part of a risk analysis process.
This prompts the question that if these trusts don’t record or analyse these numbers over time, how can they ever know whether COVID-19 prevalence is changing within their service area, or whether changes are suggesting increasing or decreasing health hazards and associated risks? How were they able to make any scientific decisions on mandating, or even just recommending, the wearing of face coverings as ‘protection’ against a respiratory infection?
Just as worrying is the reality that none of the trusts were able to provide evidence of formal documented risk assessments – let alone risk analysis processes – for all parts of their estates. (One, Barnsley, provided a risk assessment template that it said was used to “inform” discussions about mask wearing within its Emergency Department.)
Within this context, three FOI responses, from Southampton, Sheffield and South Warwickshire, are most illuminating, both for their candour and as a realistic representation of what has been happening across the NHS after the ‘top down’ mandates disappeared and were ‘replaced’ by local protocols in 2022.
Firstly, in answering the questions related to documented risk assessments, Southampton stated that these were:
Not held. Use of face masks would have been reviewed at meetings and we do not have a record of these.
Sheffield’s response followed the same form with its admission:
We do not have a formal risk assessment. However Covid prevalence is monitored by a trust-wide expert group who review and agree all actions required depending on the Covid prevalence level.
South Warwickshire went further and replied that:
Mask wearing was implemented in line with the national requirements to wear masks throughout the Covid pandemic, however we did step up to universal mask wearing approximately one week before it was mandated in April 2020. When the national universal masking requirement was stepped down, we did not then undertake formal risk assessments. Instead, local epidemiology, Covid incidence within the hospital, staff sickness and ward outbreaks are closely monitored and discussed each day at ‘Silver Command’. Masking is stepped up or down in line with this picture, erring on the side of caution. This continues to be reviewed on a regular basis at Silver Command. In addition, we have always supported mask wearing (either FRSM or FFP3) through personal choice.
The major takeaway from these responses is that the idea of formal local risk assessments being undertaken is a bogus one. Based only on a disproven axiom that ‘masks work’ and an unwillingness to acknowledge the real evidence about mask efficacy, there was:
- No systematic risk analysis methodology applied;
- No formal risk assessment carried out;
- No evidence of formal risk management procedures;
- No official documentation related to a risk analysis process created, stored and updated over time;
- No consideration of scientific evidence on the comparative benefits and harms conferred by masks to their wearers.
Instead, what happened is that people who believe masking makes sense imposed – and continue to impose – their views on the rest of us. Why? Because they feel no need to ever re-evaluate or challenge their pseudo-religious beliefs; and because, in the words of South Warwickshire NHS Trust, they want to “err on the side of caution”.
But that’s not all, folks
As concerning as the lack of any rigorous, data-led, local measurement and evaluation of risk from respiratory infections might be, there is a second aspect of our work that is more worrying. And that is the seeming lack of respect exhibited by some NHS Trusts for the regulations that underpin the FOI legislative framework.
Of the seven trusts that we directed our FOIs towards, three (Sheffield, Sherwood Forest and United Lincolnshire) failed, by a considerable margin, to respond within the stipulated timeframe. The worst laggard was United Lincolnshire, which was overdue with its response by more than two months!
According to the law, an FOI response must be created within 20 business days. Despite numerous nudges of our own to these trusts, they failed to comply. In the end, in the form of formal complaints, we escalated these delinquencies to the Information Commissioners Office (the ICO) who then gave the trusts a final ‘10 day’ ultimatum to respond.
Why were they so late? We can guess, but we couldn’t possibly speculate. Suffice to say the excuses given were in essence a variety of the ‘dog ate my homework’ type. Intermediate responses cited problems locating the information and the difficulty of finding a suitable senior manager to sign-off the response.
Our conclusion
We began this exercise with the notion in our minds that, when it comes to face-masking, the NHS has spent the past four years simply making it up. We feel no different now, except that we’ve now got confirmation of this inkling.
Everything we’ve heard from these NHS Trusts speaks to an unchallenged over-reliance on models, non-existent data and a Pollyanna-like mentality where being seen to ‘do something’ is better than following the well-established Precautionary Principle and waiting until we understand and, even better, have evaluated properly the facts.
It seems to us to be a disgrace that the ‘national treasure’ which is the NHS can act in such a cavalier and unaccountable manner.
Paul Stevens is a member of Smile Free which campaigns for the end of mask mandates and masking.
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Governments deftly transitioned from Covid in the air to Reds under beds.
Same overall plan – next: food. heating, mobility under attack!
Reds in Downing Street.
The Consocialist Party.
I didnt do social media but i have been using gettr recently. Yeadon, Malone, Le Tissier and a plethora of sceptics are on there posting freely. Some good info being shared from the other side of the pond. There seems to be more movement against the narrative from a legal perspective over there. Hopefully it can start breaking through. Unless there is accountability they will rinse and repeat at the next opportunity.
The MSM Lie Machine needs disabling
Agree and more. Ignored it for years. Think the Omen films and think MSM.
Their legal system does seem to be somewhat less corrupt than ours in the UK.
I was impressed that unlike our mollycoddled establishment, in the US Fauci was ripped apart on a regular basis by the likes of Rand Paul.
Being the monstrous career criminal that he is, Fauci was able to withstand the pressure to a large extent, but can you imagine our pathetic “leaders” and “experts” under that kind of attack?
I recall Hancock being asked little more that a perfectly reasonable question in the Commons – but nonetheless a taboo question as far as the unfree press were concerned – and he virtually fell to pieces.
Whitty would have almost certainly crumbled, especially as he was lying through his teeth every time he presented data but was never challenged.
Nonsense, he didn’t ask the right questions, he knew the right questions becasue he’d been given the evidence from people like Charles Rixey, but he chose not to ask them.
You’ve missed the point entirely.
You may well be right that Paul could have gone a lot further, but I was comparing the nature of questioning to what happened in the UK.
This was, I think, made clear in the first sentence.
And don’t forget Savage Javid getting very aggressive with a reporter when asked about transmission.
Do some of their judges get elected by the people?
As Neil Oliver put it last night in his monologue; “They think they can get away with it because they think they have us where they want us”
The result of the media acrose the pond being more diverse is reflected in the lower jab take-up. In terms of followiing the narrative, the UK leads the
packflock.USA 23.4% vax free, UK 21.4% vax free doesn’t strike me as convincing evidence that the USA has benefitted from a more diverse media.
And as neither country has the faintest idea how many people live there the figures are, at best, guesses even if the people compiling them aren’t bent.
Look at how many have gone for a third jab.
You can see more polarisation in the UK. In the USA, there is a greater spread on 1st, 2nd, 3rd jabs as people wake up.
Let’s just face it. This country and others have incompetent criminals in charge. Corruption is rife and it is time to start again, and without the Gates’ and Schwab’s of this world.
It is time to abolish it. We did just fine when much of our “government” was the local parish council.
I care about potholes in the roads, crap local schools and those metal railing fences some sadist erects everywhere. Happy to contribute to all of that and do my bit. I’m even open to paying a little more for some things, heated roads for winter or good facilities for local youths. But paying for arms to send to the Eastern Borderlands, not so much.
Motorways and A Roads? Air Traffic Control? Inter-city rail networks?
What about them? I’m sure regional and national initiatives can be handled. The main focus should be more local. Most of what we care about is local.
A call for less centralised government isn’t exactly rebutted by giving examples of a few things that centralised government could still do.
The real issue is tax. A bottom-up system, where you pay the entity closest to you, solves most of this.
You pay a local authority in the place you live. For the things your local group cannot do, like a large section of motorway running through the whole region, they pay a regional government. The regional government pays up the chain for truly national things, like national defence.
The key is you pay local. They are close by. You may even personally know them. It wouldn’t be perfect, but nor is our current system.
When a central government doesn’t have billions it can’t invoke national lockdowns because it doesn’t have furlough cash, to use one example. Naturally a central government cannot be allowed to borrow money.
Power is stopped with practical factors, not mass enlightenment or grand utopias. Starve them and they are automatically reduced in size to only the truly national things we want.
Instead of telling people to be careful when posting to Twitter why not encourage people to post to Twitter – if they start having to ban a significant proportion of their users they might think again.
I very much doubt it.
I cannot understand people continuing to use Twatter and Farcebook,I admit I did try Twatter before dumping it , but can not see the point of the latter
Should we welcome them to the party or tar and feather them?
Its conclusion won’t surprise anyone’s who’s been visiting this website for the past two years.
Or rather, its conclusion isn’t surprising to anyone with an ounce of ability to think critically and do very basic research and arithmetic.
When they started sending daily All Cause Mortality stats to everyone’s little smart friend in their pockets for the first time in human history, I asked one simple question: are these numbers indicative of anything out of the ordinary for this time of year?
The simple answer, after thirty seconds of research to find annual deaths per 100,000 in the UK followed by a simple sum to reduce that to a daily average was, simply, NO. MOST DEFINITELY NOT.
But apparently, this was beyond the abilities of our glorious leaders and their chosen experts.
What a sorry state we have become…
To my colleagues I instantly became a Conspiracy Theorist. Then I became scared and worried in equal measure – something, very clearly, was rotten in the state of Denmark…
I tried to tell everyone: “If what I, as a healthy individual, must do to stay alive – breathe – is supposed to be such a deadly threat to others, then I must stop breathing. Correct?!”
The premise was false, therefore everything which was to follow it was going to be absurd.
It has never been so easy to be right, and yet have so few people see it.
If it had required exceptional research and analytical skills to work out that the official narrative was absurd, I would be more inclined to forgive. But it did not.
I moved from believing that “our glorious leaders and their chosen experts” were panic-stricken and simply foolish (in March 2020), to the disturbing conclusion that they were worse than that. They are liars and sycophants.
Agreed. We’re fooked until enough decide we aren’t anymore.
To paraphrase Peter Hitchens, we’ve entered a period where having knowledge and understanding of an issue puts one at a positive disadvantage.
Exactly. I was looking at all-cause mortality in March 2020 and the predicted IFRs by Prof John Ioannidis. Nothing made sense. Lockdowns made no sense and the public were being terrorised. After months of plotting charts and researching, and finding nobody around of the same mind, I came across identical charts in lockdownsceptics and joined the forum.
It is simply not enough for these public health officials to be proved wrong. They must be held to account for all the damage that they have done. Dig deeper and I think you will find some of them were politically motivated to wreck the economy
There’s absolutely no doubt that many, if not the majority of the people in the medical and other establishments, responsible for the rotten “advice” and the consequent colossal damage to every aspect of life in the UK, together with its ruined economy, had motives other than mere professionalism, philanthropy and a desire “to do good”.
If one proceeds beyond the understanding that many, however qualified, aren’t bright, brave, intelligent or perceptive, and are mere stupid followers, then the “Cui Bono” concept kicks in. The usual drivers in these cases are personal advancement and pecuniary advantage, together with some factors better dealt with by qualified psychologists, such as overweening egos and other mental problems. Build in, as you suggest, a political or tribal motivation, and it becomes a complete package.
They should be held to account, but they won’t be. As the fake “Inquiry”, itself likely to be a source of omissions, misinformation and downright lies, proceeds, it will be plain that to take serious action in one respect or another will likely jeopardise another, better-placed malefactor, and the under-the-carpet sweeping will be intense. There may be a few token sacrificial persons, but, in general, I expect there to be more back-slapping than even light wrist-slapping. That’s not to forget that there will be another manufactured crisis, designed to grab the headlines and divert attention.
The inquiry will find that lockdown should have come in sooner, harder and for longer and that faster vaccines and endless tracking and tracing are needed.
“qualified psychologists”
Haven’t we had a belly full of them?
Correct. And those Chat Fekkers not politically motivated very probably own shareholdings in Big Pharma (or the Ruinable Energy team), or else receive fat brown envelopes regularly.
If our Beloved Leaders must mess with existing law, the only requirement would be to make it mandatory to publish names, full addresses, photographs and qualifications of every MSM or Social Media Chat Fekker, whether employed or voluntary.
Doubt that will happen.
Stop Press: Be careful about sharing this article on Twitter. Professor Carl Heneghan shared the Mail on Sunday‘s article about an Oxford University study that showed Britain’s coronavirus death toll may be lower than the official data suggests on Twitter and the social media platform responded by slapping a ‘fake news’ warning on the post and then locking Prof Heneghan’s account.
People really do need to get off Twitter and Facebook or they are merely aiding the enemy!
Will the penny ever drop?
No
The pound will drop, but not the penny.
Funny but true.
Censorship is almost always for eliminating inconvenient truth.
There was never any science behind lockdowns
It was all theatre and lies from the start
But, we must protect ourselves
The lens with which you use to understand events often matters. Lockdowns were not a failure, but an unrivalled success if the lens was to test levels of compliance to government dictats.
Most complied, very few did not, and a minority loved them. That is useful data. It will almost certainly form the main plank of future initiatives from the Behavioural Insights Team who, along with the civil service, are salivating at the prospects for future variants on lockdown. Health scares certainly, but also climate seem to be on the cards.
Our job is to so thoroughly trash this it can never be considered.
Milton Friedman put it something like this, that he did not see his role as to change people’s minds, rather to make sure his ideas were left “lying around” to be picked up when other ideas failed.
Great quote
That is my approach. I have a couple of small fliers with simple headlines on the front and data and references on the back. These are left ‘lying around’ on walls, in niches, under bushes, in magazines etc.
They say that people go mad in crowds and regain sanity one-by-one. Curious individuals will see these and pick them up.
Exactly!
Well said!
This is a discussion that will never have real answers – “did lockdowns save lives?” – well, the supermarkets (and garden centres, and B&Q!) remained open during a ‘pandemic’ and there were always customers in these shops. I think that’s all I need to know about the pandemic being 100% fake.
People were predicting the Government(s) would summon another ‘variant’ up just before last Christmas, and that’s exactly what they did – just like to order. To me, that also shows the whole ‘Covid Show’ is one big lie, and, to boot, those running it are having a laugh – they know they can do anything they like, and they will always get away with it – and so they have. A never-ending succession of ‘variants’ to look forwards to.
Funny how, apart from a very few brave souls, we heard nadda from these people up until now. The phrases ‘changing their tune to suit the wind direction’ and ‘covering their backside’ springs to mind.
Yes but the wind is still in the same direction …Agenda 2030 “You will own nothing and be happy”
Expect the same in a year or two regarding the mass vaccination program.
Like lockdowns it’s logically preposterous, but still an active part of the not-so-hidden agenda hence the lack of counterviews in the unfree media.
Too many things happening in Ukraine to worry about transparency back home. The government and the media are enjoying a free pass and moralising to the rest of us. You can’t get more warm and virtuous than Nicky Campbell.
Yes and no – it was amazing ‘luck’ that the Ukraine war just started as the ‘COVID’ narrative was seriously on the wane and the reality of the ‘pandemic’ response was on the up, especially as the ‘Climate Narrative’ wasn’t gaining any traction.
Now, of course, they’ll be food shortages, high inflation (including fuel) and what’s the solution – a Green drive, just as the puppet masters at the WEF
wanted‘predicted’.Ain’t coincidences great? Not.
This is, in my view, the elite’s version of ‘hey look, a snowman!’ (made you look!). Distract people from what they are trying to hide and get away with by something big over there.
Many ‘experts’ are now rapidly backpeddling on what they previously have been saying in order to save their own careers / skins.
Why do people still keep calling Lockdowns a “mistake” when they were
obviously such an important part of the plan from the very start?
Will people never wake up?
It is only a “mistake” of the consequences of the actions were unintentional when it is now blatantly obvious they were not.
(Ukraine distraction from their next phase working well).
It’s Sunday, so here’s a Christian perspective.
This video, which explains specifically how to be a watchman over MSM bias, deals with how the MSM, Big Tech and large corporations suppress the facts.
YouTube took it down for breaching their rules, so now its up on Rumble https://rumble.com/vybi3r-omega-programme-mod-3.1-part-22-the-role-of-the-watchman.html0
Lockdown wasn’t a mistake, lockdown was necessary in order to justify the looting of the taxpayern without any of the normal oversight and to push the jabs which they intend to be perpetual jabs along with vax passports.
So yes lockdown was terribly damaging but it was not a mistake, if was perfectly deliberate.
Modern day Robber Barons.
God, how smug do I feel. 4th booster bedwetters?
I’ll admit to smugness. And a mixture of empowerment and fear now I know that 9/10 people are dangerous aliens.
More like 3/10, with about 4/10 compliant with today’s narrative. 3/10 not buying it.
Clare Fox thinks we’re all paranoid conspiracy theorists regarding the WEF, speaking on GB News last night.
Sounds like the thing a WEF young leader might say
But But But! She is one of then
‘The row comes as tech giants may find themselves being handed sweeping powers in the new Online Safety Bill’
You can just imagine our glorious leaders banning informtion exposing their corruption and incompetence as such information would ‘harm’ our magnificent democracy.
Every attempt to further restrict information just hastens their demise. This site didn’t exist a few years ago, and there are many others.
They are panicking. Which is great
There’s the possibility that this site may be wound up with the ‘Restricted To What You May Say’ Bill coming into force.
We are already limited as to what we can type on-line, and in future, anything you write that is deemed ‘unseemly’ may have Plod knocking on your door and for you to be ‘disappeared’. Or, if you’re lucky, just charged and threatened.
These may be the last days of ‘freedom’.
Oh yes, they’ll let you travel to London now & then to wave your placard in Parliament Square and allow you to let off steam. They have already filmed you and taken photos, they know who you are, they read your text messages, know who you’ve phoned to, and can see the location of your phone. They know you are no danger.
“We know what you did during lockdown”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WTpO9y2Dh4
Then others will pop up. That approach only works when it can be conveyed as clamping down on extremism. It is more difficult when it is fairly beign stuff.
I too am concerned. But these attempts to define hate speech and the like are a sign of fear and desperation. It is ultimately them who will disappear.
Another Independent article on Russel Brand, he must be striking a nerve. Or striking things they’re too scared to cover for any number of reasons.
Yes, must be off the reservation. Bad celebrity.
People should stop using Fakebook and Twatter and seek alternative Internet providers They are out there!
There is a war on truth, and the bad guys are going to win. It’s hard to fathom the world of lies and corruption we are living in. Before Covid I was vaguely aware that the medical industry might not be acting in our best interests. It’s now crystal clear that their sole interest is making us sick and keeping us sick in order to harvest as much profit as possible. It’s also clear that virtually all of government and the legacy media are equally corrupt, or just too stupid to understand the problem. There are probably a few decent doctors around but their hands are tied. They have to follow protocols that are controlled by the corrupt cartel. I very much doubt there will be any resolution in this iteration of civilisation. Health-wise, we are on our own. It’s an awful truth to confront but perhaps better to know than not. All we can do now is try to stay healthy despite the system doing everything in its power to make us sick.
An ounce or prevention is worth a pound of cure. That’s been my takeaway from covidmania. Like you I had my suspicions. But now the craven cowardice of doctors, as well as the endorsement of indefensible positions like injecting kids, has tipped me over the edge.
I’ve been religious in taking appropriate supplements plus I appreciate more than ever the benefits of remaining fit and healthy. I’d also throw in a complete rejection of the government approved diet which will slowly kill you.
Remind me why all these proud to be quoted, now outraged at censorship, STILL want to use Twitter?
Nothing short of a mass exodus will work, stop being outraged and DO SOMETTHING about it. There are alternative, free speech focused, platforms.
Y’all are like domestic abuse victims staying with the abusers.
The HYPOCRACY is palpable.
It’s better to be slung out from the platforms rather than just packing up. I don’t bother with Twitter, I already got suspended accounts on there consigned to Hotel California.
Twatter kicked me out in late 2020. I haven’t bothered to go back with a new profile (I refused to cave in to their demands). Facebonk, meh, left that toxic place in 2015.
These experts speak as if there were no other “experts” who were saying, before lockdown began, purely through foresight, not with hindsight, that lockdown was going to be a terrible mistake.
Of course that is not true – there were many in the scientific community saying this at the time, the Great Barrington people being primary examples.
So the central issues which need to be addressed in whatever inquiries take place are these:
And also the other elephant in the room – why did the likes of Whitty U-turn from his initial recommendations that were not too dissimilar to the Great Barrington?
He would struggle to even lie about a justification given that they downgraded the seriousness of the virus to flu level a week before the first lockdown.
Someone had a quiet word. Cushy directorship further down the line and a knighthood to seal the deal
I think it’s more likely to have been them revealing they had video of him.
These experts speak as if there were no other “experts” who were saying, before lockdown began, purely through foresight, not with hindsight, that lockdown was going to be a terrible mistake.
A very good point. Professor John Ioannidis of Stanford, a scholar of outstanding reputation in the fields of epidemiology and evidence-based research, warned against lockdowns on 17 March 2020. His article was called “A Fiasco in the Making?”
He raised issues and questions that were brushed aside or ignored.
To the great British public: “We don’t want to say that we told you so,but!!!!!”
WE
TOLD
YOU
SO
signed: ‘conspiracy theorists’
“the growing number of experts who say that lockdowns had little benefit “
If it’s only now they speak up they are either not experts or deep-dyed cowards. Or both, of course.
Chuffing ‘eck, DS, are you on commission for Woollyhouse’s book sales?
This is the third article that I can recall promoting the’ turncoat’s’ attempt to profit from the collective failings of SAGE.
Having read the article it is not really as challenging as the headline suggests (nothing new there as far as The Mail is concerned) and there still seems to be the implication that the first lockdown in particular was necessary and successful. It is not quite the backtrack the headline implies.
As far as I can see, the lockdown slowed the spread of the virus somewhat.
This was intended to give some time for the vaccine to be developed and distributed. IF the vaccine had worked as planned, THEN the lockdown would have only been needed for a while, and would have been a success.
The problem was that the vaccine DID NOT WORK. And so we kept locking down, and slowly released once we saw that it was pointless, while the vaccine supporters kept arguing for ‘just one more booster’….
As far as you imagine, you mean.
If that’s the conclusion you’ve reached after two years, I’d suggest going back to the drawing board.
Do both of you think that the vaccines DID work?
I rather suspect their point was that lockdowns didn’t work (and wouldn’t have worked even if the clotshot hadn’t been useless).
Look at all the stats from around the world and it’s absolutely clear that that lockdowns, muzzles and all the other NPIs do not correlate with a slower spread or lower infection rates.
And let’s not forget that they straight out lied about three weeks to flatten the ‘curve’.
That was as clear as day. The minute Johnson triggered the original lockdown my family knew immediately we’d be in for years of turmoil and chaos and so it has proved. Johnson knew perfectly well right from the off that the two or three weeks to flatten the sombrero was a load of old crock.
Hi DAEW
completely off topic I know but last week you were asking about why the sudden change in the mask wearing.
As I understand it WHO were looking at the lowest rates for ‘rona in Southern Asia and noted that mask wearing there was commonplace. Therefore they assumed(wrongly) it was due to the mask wearing.
BUT
When people meet in this area it is a very demure hello and Thailand in particular you bow your head when you greet some one. No touchy feely kissy kiss here.
The air pollution in this part of the world is pretty horrendous – from burning field to clear the remainder of the crops, extremely poor mechanical maintainence of cars lorries busses motorbikes and the burning of the forests in Malaysia for the palm oil plantations. N95 masks are the best choice for these conditions.
I hope this sheds some light for you. Sadly I do not have the references for this but I did read it somewhere.
ALL NPI’s were intended to undermine public health.
It was already slowing…
Sorry
What the F. are you smoking?
That is not quite correct. The lockdown was intended to slow the spread to avoid the health service being overwhelmed. (“Flatten the curve” as they put it.)
At the time of the first lockdown, it was thought that vaccines might be years away if ever.
In other words, the lockdown was “necessary” because “our NHS” (sic) had no capacity to handle a sudden increase in demand.
The response to Twitter is more and more people shutting down their accounts.
Twitter’s not your wife you know, it’s where you have some bantz with horny unattached women.
IF the unattached women start pissing you off, you dump them and find some more congenial ones.
Closing down a Twitter account will take less than 1 hr of your time even if the process takes longer than a week start to finish.
Do the same to Facebook, stop watching the BBC, stop buying newspapers and watch their revenues drop towards the floor.
It’s called ‘customer feedback’.
Couldn’t agree more
Throw out the TV too and you’ll deprive them of 95% of their mechanism for propaganda.
Shut down my Facebook account before COVID. Not had a TV for years. Never done Twitter.
I never had a TV in my life (apart from a few student houseshares in London back in the day). Not having a TV or having got rid of it is a common characteristic amongst us sceptical folks, I find.
I’m in the same boat. Drifted away from TV in my twenties and never made it back. My instinct for privacy meant social media was never an option.
Likewise, never done twitter. Shut down my FB account years ago and ditched the tv licence.
There needs to be far greater urgency in combating big tech censorship. It is bad enough these giants avoid tax and constantly lobby governments to grow their power base…shame on our elected representatives for facilitating them instead of opposing them.
Find alternatives. They can censor whomever they like. Fine a platform you like instead.
For the past few weeks, in a series of reports probing the science that has underpinned key pandemic decisions, the Mail on Sunday has investigated the accuracy of PCR tests and the chaotic way Covid-related deaths were recorded.
yes,
amazing how the minority said this for two yrs and was called a conspiracy theorist, does that now mean the daily mail should be banned for being a “conspiracy theorist”?
Perfect track for the BBC and MSM:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoAwsrkLWZE
Spare a thought for the pressure Anders Tegnell must have been under in March and April of 2020.
How easy it would have been to yield, when everybody else was locking down.
In particular Swedish primary school kids have reason to be grateful for having had uninterrupted mask-free education.
Not only that. He provided a very good control.
He could be forgiven for feeling smug now-
I can’t really congratulate myself for resisting the propaganda because I haven’t seen or heard it: I haven’t had a TV licence since 2011, haven’t read a newspaper for around 5 years, never really listened to the radio and live in a village so haven’t seen any billboards or posters. I don’t have children of school or university age and haven’t been ill.
I have received lots of texts, emails and phone calls but I’ve never responded well to being nagged and as soon as I hear a Third World accent I know it’s a scam.
More and More Experts Say Lockdowns Didn’t Save Lives and Call it a “Monumental Mistake on a Massive Scale”
It’s taken the cowardly barstewards two years to reach this conclusion.
Pathetic. Reverse ferret virtue signalling.
(No criticism of Professor Heneghan intended).
I suspect that the fact checkers themselves are not particularly bright. Mostly trainees. They are clearly incapable of distinguishing between legitimate evidence based scientific research and “conspiracy theories”. Safety from harmful content? They might as well subcontract the work to the Chinese. Censorship services are likely to be a lot cheaper.
“mostly trainees”
Trainee what?
Woke warriors. I have an alternative term but I don’t think it is allowed by the community guidelines.
Absolutely furious about this! We conspiracy theorists said this from the beginning and we were all vilified. These scumbags ruined many lives, destroyed businesses and caused poverty because of their decision to lockdown. Now they’re basically saying it was a mistake… oh well… suck it up. It didn’t bother us because hey… we are rich and got even richer.
Need an anti-woke, populist revolution and fast….no more virtue signalling nonsense, no more cancelling debate, free speech re-established by law meaning the right to offend anyone including minorities with social media allowed to let rip as required. (Outlaw fact checking) Get to the truth and then chase down these Government criminals first by getting them out, then by prosecution of them and their cronies. I want my money back for their lockdown fiasco.
Carl Heneghan silenced: the ONS admitted their estimate of COVID deaths was at least 23% over the real figure! How “fact ” checkers are able to rule the roost sickens me. This really IS how nazi Germany started…
Of course Prof Woolhouse is right about the ineffective nature of the lockdowns. But even he misses the point. This debate should not just be about whether lockdowns work or not.
Lockdowns would be a gross violation of basic democratic rights, even if they did work. It is simply not acceptable in a democracy to put millions of healthy people under house arrest in the name of public health.
They are a radical Communist measure, even if they were promoted by highly paid civil servants like “Sir” Chris Whitty.
Professor Mark Woolhouse and other “experts”/experts are mistaken. Lockdowns weren’t “a mistake”: all part of the plan.
I seldom use Facebook and am not on Twitter, and I’m sure my life is less stressful for it.
Just re-posted this using the twitter and also facebook icons above
”A mistake”? Oh, for crying out loud………