Module Two of the Covid Inquiry is now up and running. This module looks at Government decision-making, the use of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) and the impact of lockdowns.
A statement by the Lead Counsel to the Inquiry, Mr. Keith, was up first on Tuesday October 3rd. Immediately, Mr. Keith came to a contentious issue.
The number of deaths across the United Kingdom, calculated by whether COVID-19 is mentioned on the death certificate, is now over 230,000. By the measure of excess deaths or excess mortality, the figures are likely to be similar.
The figures for England and Wales show that between Week 11 2020 to Week 38 of 2023 there have been 2,089,552 deaths, of which 207,814 (10%) mentioned Covid.
Compared to the five-year average, there is an excess of 195,951 deaths. However, we have just shown the methods used to calculate the excess affect the estimate; also, it is incorrect to assume that all Covid deaths equate to the excess.
It is incorrect to assume all Covid deaths (whatever that means) are excess deaths. Particularly given ‘Covid deaths’ could be assigned in 14 different ways, and as we have shown in 2022, the excess deaths remain unexplained.
However, Mr. Keith makes some useful comparisons:
But a broad comparison is still useful. It shows, for example, here that the United Kingdom had a lower burden of excess mortality than indeed many countries. The example that we’ve chosen here is Italy, which had a greater degree of excess death than the United Kingdom. So we were by no means the hardest hit, but we did have a higher burden in terms of the calculation of excess deaths than many other countries, and we’ve put on this chart France, South Korea, Sweden and Denmark.
A lot has been made of Sir Patrick Vallance’s diaries that have been passed onto the Inquiry. An entry from June 10th 2020 from Dr. Vallance records: “I am [worried] that a ‘SAGE is trouble’ vibe is appearing in No 10.”
It may even be the Government selected on occasion from SAGE what it wanted. There is a: “Paper from No 10/[Cabinet Office] for 1[metre]/2[metre] review,” notes Vallance. “Some person has completely rewritten the science advice as though it is the definitive version. They have just cherry-picked. Quite extraordinary.”
But, there’s also a perplexing explanation of modelling by Mr. Keith supporting its use and placing the onus on us – because we just don’t understand.
My Lady, little or no work had ever been done on the effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical interventions such as closing schools and lockdowns, not least because there hadn’t been a respiratory pandemic recently, and no such societal measures had been applied in the United Kingdom for over 100 years. But this field of mathematical and statistical models in public health is an extraordinarily complex one, and there was a basic difference between forecasting and the construction of model-based scenarios, both processes engaged in by this committee.
Forecasting essentially concerns asking the question: what do we think will happen? Model-based scenario construction asks the question: what might happen if we do X or Y? How effective will closing schools reduce the spread of the virus?
That difference between forecasting and model-based scenarios was crucial, because scenarios were often wrongly treated by many as forecasts, so that when a particular scenario didn’t come to pass, for example, the number of deaths that were estimated in that scenario did not come, and, for example, the number of deaths did not go up to the particular levels estimated on the closing of schools, or one of the other social restrictions that was imposed or could be imposed, this was treated as a failure of modelling or as the deliberate propagation of a climate of fear. It wasn’t.
The first reader to decipher this stuff gets a complimentary subscription to Trust the Evidence and our deluxe package: a pint at the John Snow in Broadwick Street with Carl and Tom (don’t worry, the pump’s handle is gone).
Not all is lost! Sir Patrick had some difficulty with this, too, back in September 2020, and there’s some element of recovery when the KC says:
The craving for certainty of what is to come, particularly in the early stages of a pandemic, may mean that model outputs are seen as ‘the answer’, which they can never be. …
So, was there an over-reliance on epidemiological modelling? Was too much time spent analysing the differences between the various models? Could more attention have been paid to tracking the policy responses of other countries and, as I’ve indicated, the likely economic and social impacts of the lockdowns?
But, again, the KC makes a flip-flop:
What may, however, be clear is that there is evidence from Imperial College in June 2020 that, had a lockdown not been imposed at all, i.e., had just the earlier measures of March 13th, March 16th, March 18th and March 20th been imposed, the virus would probably – probably – have continued to grow exponentially.
But the control in this is Sweden, which receives no mention – odd.
On page 103, the KC mentions the September 20th meeting that Carl attended.
On Sunday September 20th the meeting to which I’ve referred took place, chaired by Mr. Case and attended by the Prime Minister, the CMO, the CSA, and Professors Edmunds, Gupta and Heneghan, Dr. Anders Tegnell, from Sweden, and Professor Dame Angela McLean, the Deputy Government Chief Scientific Adviser, also attended. The Chancellor also attended, but he says in his written statement he doesn’t have strong recollections of that precise discussion.
Perhaps we should leave the last words for day one of the Inquiry to Dominic Cummings. “This is a shitshow. We should have gone a month ago as we said.”
On day two, Ms. Twite spoke on behalf of Save the Children U.K., Just for Kids Law and the Children’s Rights Alliance for England, pointing out how children were glossed over in the decision-making processes:
So we ask the Inquiry to start by recognising the distinct needs of children, and then we ask the Inquiry to ask whether the Government considered those needs.
To do that, we ask you look both at how those decisions were made. Did they carry out any impact assessments for children? Were modelling and analysis done about different rules for children? Were children mentioned in their discussions?
Mr. Stanton represented the British Medical Association (BMA). Seems they think there should have been more lockdowns, contact tracing, masks and reduced household mixing – the BMA stance is clear, we need more of everything – and while we’re here, let’s throw the kitchen sink at it next time.
The BMA believes that the United Kingdom Government’s response to the pandemic was categorised by a failure to take a sufficiently precautionary approach.
Also up was Joanna Goodman of the COVID-19 Bereaved Families for Justice, who gave a rather harrowing story of how her father passed away.
Ms. Goodman also painted a picture of several problems in the system that, here on TTE, we’ve banged on about.
Answer: “A lot of people who were in hospital for the entire period, so it was very clear that they contracted Covid. A number of people who also believed that their loved ones had contracted Covid, like we believed my dad did –”
KC: “Yes?”
Answer: “At an outpatient appointment. Also people not being tested on discharge from hospital, and often then going home, becoming ill, being re-admitted. Or actually going home to someone else who was vulnerable in the household. So particularly you can imagine elderly couples whereby one of them would have been in hospital, wasn’t tested, and on arriving home became ill.”
KC: Right.
Answer: “And then their partner then went on to become ill. And, yeah, I think it’s one of the saddest things that there are a number of people in our group who lost both parents to COVID-19.”
As well as the issues in care homes
But also actually concerns around access to healthcare for care home residents. So a lot of members reporting that their loved ones contracted COVID-19 and having concerns about how it had come into the care home, but also feeling as though, because their loved one was a care home resident and had a number of health conditions, it was almost assumed that what they would need was palliative care and that that should be provided in the care home rather than it being possible for them to be admitted to hospital for treatment.
Also up was Dr. Alan Wightman of the Scottish Bereaved Families for Justice, who laid out the problems of confinement in care homes we’ve previously discussed:
The fact that care homes seemed to have been regarded almost as isolation hospitals. Which they’re not.
They’re not designed to hold people in isolation. They are designed to encourage older, predominantly older residents to mix, not be isolated, and not stay in their rooms. And yet, at a certain point in time, they were treated as isolation hospitals, which went against what the care staff had been trying to achieve in normal business.
As we said, some of this stuff is harrowing, but it highlights the sheer incompetence of the thinking:
But we’ve also got instances of where people appear to have been discharged because they were in their early 80s, they were sent home, knowingly having Covid. I mean, we’ve got an example of a gentleman, 84, sent home to his 82-year old wife, and known to be infected with Covid, but there was nothing more the hospital felt they could do for him, sent him home, she got Covid as well, and they both died because of it.
And the irrational approach to different rules access borders:
“It was very confusing which country had which rules. There was also people being treated, that lived on the borders, being treated in England; there was a lot of healthcare workers that lived in Bristol that were going to Wales, so there’s a whole big question around: was it right that different nations had different rules in place, and why, and should that happen again? I’m not here to judge, but it doesn’t seem logical when you’ve got porous borders to allow that, or –”
KC: “And did it make it extremely hard to adhere to, if there was an unnecessary degree of complexity or confusion?”
Answer: “Absolutely. I was travelling between England and Wales, so I was personally affected and I couldn’t – you know, it was difficult, was I wearing a mask here, wasn’t I wearing a mask there? You know, going across the Severn Bridge was like going across the Mexican border; you didn’t know whether you were going to get stopped.”
Perhaps we’ll leave the last word for day three to Mr. O’Connor, one of 11 KCs to join the legal team to support Hugo Keith (please don’t mention the costs of all this, though).
Research suggests that older people who previously did not need support to maintain their independence are now requiring care and support for the first time, and much earlier than would otherwise have been the case. Those who were already struggling to carry out activities of daily living, such as walking, eating, showering and getting dressed, are now finding things harder. The significant drop in activity levels amongst over 50s, and only a third of people aged 75 and over have been active during the pandemic.
Let us, however, leave our readers with a question: is the decline in independence the effect of SARS-CoV-2 or the effect of the restrictions?
Dr. Carl Heneghan is the Oxford Professor of Evidence Based Medicine and Dr. Tom Jefferson is an epidemiologist based in Rome who works with Professor Heneghan on the Cochrane Collaboration. This article was first published on their Substack, Trust The Evidence, which you can subscribe to here.
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ICYMI: It’s not just UK paying farmers to retire – Dutch farmers are being enticed to sell “pig rights” for €700k – but never be able to raise pigs again.
This is the financialization of a basic human right (ability to provide for your family) – and is absolute bullcocks! But they will stop at nothing, including bribery, to achieve their #PostAnimalEconomy
#WarOnMeat
FULL REPORT:
https://www.iceagefarmer.com/2021/03/27/criminalization-of-raising-animals-dutch-sell-pig-rights/
And we pay for the madness.
The money governments spend on these dystopian schemes is taken from us and then used against us.
We are funding our own destruction.
Exactly.
This is exactly correct. We ourselves are funding our own destruction; net zero, mass immigration and now a pogrom on normal eating practices.
But we are addicted to big government, and that is an expensive habit.
Meanwhile Banks continue to block accounts for no reason and interfere with private banking transactions – ready for Digital banking when they will control everything you are allowed to spend your money on ( no meat of course!)
‘Wake up time’ is getting short!
Dr Vernon Coleman reckons we have eight months – at most.
That’s what he said last month – so we should be down to 7 by now.
Experts warn “Stop filling your bird feeders” to “help stop bird flu.”
This is as ridiculous as a mask — just programing to get fearful people to do things that promulgate the fear. “Wild animals are dirty and dangerous and the government told us NOT to feed them!”
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2022/04/bird-flu-outbreak-experts-warn-to-stop-filling-bird-feeders-now.html
They can duck off (
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At least there’s some science behind it, I think? Birds tend to be ‘specialist’ feeders and encouraging multiple species to visit the same feeder is surely likely to increase the possibility of transfer of the disease, particularly now the migrants are arriving? Bird flu is rampant in Europe apparently, to the extent that a local shoot that usually sources birds from Italy has had trouble getting any…
I’ve heard that waterfowl are particularly suspect as ‘carriers’ for some reason, though I’ve never had a goose on my window feeder!
“particularly now the migrants are arriving?”
I’ve never seen a swallow, martin or swift on my birdfeeders.
Nor a Curlew.
The squirrels are keen though.
How about stopping humans shopping in supermarkets? Humans are dirty and can spread Covid. Some of them are wild and dangerous (think: pikeys). Interesting how humans didn’t get the same treatment as cows and sheep and horses (don’t forget that little girl’s pony too!) got slaughtered and piled up into stacks, with petrol poured all over them and burnt, during Neil Ferguson’s Foot & Mouth ‘computer modelling cock up’.
I am reminded of my father telling me during the war they cut down metal railings to donate the steel for the war effort, much of it scrapped. All propaganda to drive the point home. To continue the narrative as we’d say now. You still occasionally see Georgian properties with amputated stumps at the front where I live.
What a farce of a world. How do such simple acts mesmerize so many?
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I’m not addicted to big government. I am an anarchist. I sincerely believe we would be better off with no government at all.
How many problems in your life are NOT caused by government?
It is now a ‘war on meat’ now backed by the Loony Johnson Family Values coming from Number 10 – extremist of all colours and genders are taking over the policies of this country with the backing of Billionaire wealth and the support of our “elected” Emergency Powers Government !
The vast majority of the population oppose the nonsense – but no longer count – in fact they are the target of the policies!
It is time the found a voice!
Sizzle, sizzle….
When you control access to food, you don’t need dangerous vaccines, bullets or any other war type machinery….just food, or a lack of it.
Our prosperity is built on oil, fertilisers, freedom, things that educated elites and their cheerleaders have forgotten about and frown up because they’re too clever for their own good.
Not too clever so much as ‘too bought!’
Deliberate destruction just like the (depopulation) poisonations
… because they know, like the Party faithful in the USSR, it’s the Proletariat that will go without, not them.
Some have been educated beyond their wits, but more than a few are just corrupt.
They are not clever at all.
“On the face of it, a push to organic farming would be seen as laudable, given concerns over the use of chemical fertilisers.”
You can lead a Guardian journo to water, but you can’t make it think.
So you think relying on Mr GloboCap, the Banksters and Bill Gates is the solution?
Bill Gates fans are out in force today…
An outstanding example of stupid politicians meddling in things they don’t understand.
Mao would have been proud.
BoJo the hut is.
The politicians aren’t meddling, they are doing what they’ve been told to do by Globocrap.
The problem here is yet another example of the drive towards arguments that are massively oversimplified into good vs bad. We see it everywhere now — Ukraine is definitively good, Russia worse than the Nazis; covid vaccines are good, those arguing against them literally killing grannie; electric cars good, fossil fuel cars causing climate destruction; paper bags good, plastic bags suffocating the Pacific; etc etc.
The reality is always complex and there’s nearly always a ‘pragmatic best’ solution that would be a far superior solution — but that’s complicated (for politicians to understand) and doesn’t offer the best opportunities for big industry (usually the financial industry) to take yet another generous slice of power and cash from the masses.
There are no solution, just trade-offs. Plastic bags prevent food waste, save money, more hygienic, more durable, more convenient, offends all the right nitwits… trade off – litter, poor fishy-dishy.
There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
This is so very true.
Thomas Sowell is especially good on this point. That’s why someone else’s grand vision often fails. Visions don’t work because life is about trade offs.
Thomas Sowell should be required reading for every politician (I’m sure audio books could be provided for those who would struggle to read a book), as well as every journalist.
The Thomas Sowell reader has plenty of short pieces. But they’d find it uncomfortable reading. As he often says, his family and others like them, poor uneducated blacks from southern states who could barely read and write, managed collectively to make plenty of sensible decisions and choices. No big government needed.
Plastic is poison, same as gene therapy drugs.
Seems like a good idea to me but bad timing and poor support for its implication. Many nations are going to struggle to pay the huge increases in prices for modern fertilizer. A 19% réduction here might not be too bad. Relatively
Exactly, good ideas implemented badly. But the editors of DS want to push its stupid readership, as usual, to a simpler version “the idea has been tried, a-ha, it doesn’t work! like we foretold it wouldn’t! because we are smart and they are dumb – so never try this again”. This in summary is the (fake and contrived) “sceptical” way of thinking around here.
Yes, sceptical my foot. Complain about Pfizer’s gene therapy drugs but put your faith in those nice people in the pesticide industry? I despair!
All that potash going through Belarus and Lithuania from Russia that’s been disrupted. Is balsitic rock dust and real food really such a bad idea now I wonder?
I thought the self- proclaimed Azov Nazis were fighting for Ukraine?
Yes, I can’t help but notice that this very site is a major promoter of such simpleton black-white thinking. For example, this article.
Worth repeating a comment on the Adam Smith article in full:
Such is the truth.
Yeah, that comment is comparing advocates of organic faming to communist apologists, in the same way that those of us who think AGW is nonsense are compared to Holocaust Deniers. It’s a cheap shot at best, designed to poison any argument in favour of organic farming before the argument is made.
Having seen how it actually works, what argument would you make in favour of it?
There was a time, when I worked in a Russell Group University’s Dept. of Agricultural Economics, that I thought organic farming was a fad and just produced expensive food. Now, many years later, I’ve changed my mind.
It’s true that agrochemicals will produce greater yields, but at the cost of produce that is often nutritionally poor. As an example, we all need magnesium and any nutritionist will tell you that you’ve no need to buy a supplement just eat your spinach. But spinach grown in a soil that is depleted of minerals will not have the same nutritional value as spinach that is organically grown, so if you aren’t going to eat organically grown spinach then maybe you will need to supplement.
Monsanto (now owned by Bayer) for example, the maker of glyphosate containing ‘Roundup’, isn’t more ethical than Pfizer. Both companies push products that are harmful simply to make a profit with little or no understanding of the long term consequences to our health or to the health of the ecosystem.
I could go on, but this is a comments section, not a place to write an in-depth argument explaining why organically produced meat and vegetables are healthier than produce that is dependent of agrochemicals. The only drawbacks that I see are the price and the yield, which will be higher and lower respectively.
‘Organic’ is a daft name for ‘organic produce’ as all food is organic.
‘Organic produce’ can also be grown in soils devoid of certain minerals, so you don’t necessarily get ‘all you need’ from them.
A beetroot grown in North Devon might be ‘better’ than one grown in Dorset… all depends on what kind of soil they’ve grown up in.
Nutrition is a complicated subject and few of us know what we’re really eating.
Not to mention vegetables grown in southern Finland which are slightly radioactive from the radium gas being given off by the ‘young’ granites below the soil.
Emerald Fox is a daft name, too, but what can I do about it?
Spot on. “Organic” at most tells you what’s not in produce, not what is in it. It comes with no guarantees of sustainability, or of healing Gaia.
We need good soil. Balsitic rock dust appears to mineralise the soil. What’s wrong with that?
The pesticides aren’t organic.
What does “organic farming” have to do with soil depletion?
I “quote” it, because as far as I can tell, “organic” in the UK means no GMOs, no kryptonite, and some very wibbly wording about “natural or naturally-derived substances” and “low solubility mineral fertilisers”.
I can’t see anything that would prevent soil depletion, other than faith that “organic” and “all practices that I agree with” are synonymous.
You don’t need faith in order to understand that farming without the use of agrochemicals is how farming has been done for thousands of years. It’s called ‘organic’ farming (and I realise you are hung up on the word ‘organic’ for some reason so we’ll use the word ‘traditional’ instead) as opposed to farming using recently developed chemical products e.g. herbicides like glyphosate or insecticides like DDT. If you actually understood anything about farming you would know that farming with the use of agrochemicals depletes the soil of nutrients – even the agrochemical companies don’t dispute that. You’re digging yourself a hole. Why aren’t you as sceptical about the agrochemical business as you are about Big Pharma? I would suggest that your objections are political rather than evidence based.
Wasn’t there something called the Norfolk four course rotation? Fallow fields? There must be plenty of ways of ensuring good soil, and thus no more lockdowns.
Ask any allotment holder. I did this for very many years
Hmm, Magnesium was one of the supplements recommended by the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service to protect against viral infection. Yet people want mineral deficient food. Enjoying their locjkdowns, are they?
Oh, and have an uptick. Great post.
Landsakes, suddenly banning anything else is not what advocates of organic farming were advocating. Most of these politicians are clueless anyway, if Britain is anything to go by.
State planning is common to both, the comparison is correct
State planning has nothing to do with the fact that agrochemicals deplete the soil, produce less nutritional food and pollute the ecosystem.
On the contrary, such self-defeating policy is only possible with state planning, which makes economic calculation impossible.
No farmer, unless he wanted to go out of business, would implement such a policy but state planning, as it always does, results in mass starvation.
And… enough wasn’t spent on it; it didn’t have enough time to work; more effort should have been put in it; Big Industrial Farming undermined it.
Good old Big Industrial farming, with their nice pesticide and fungicide and herbicide industries, who are so much better than big pharma and their sodding lockdowns. Please…\!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As we know “real organic farming” has never been tried. It was corrupted last time by the capitalists. Or was it the fascists?
Next time round proper people’s farming will work. You’ll see, comrade.
It has, for thousands of years. What hasn’t been tried until very recently, is farming with novel agrochemicals. But I’m sure Monsanto and the rest, like Pfizer and the rest, have only our best interest at heart. Who needs an immune system when you’ve got Comirnaty, or a heathy crop when you’ve got glyphosate, brought to you by Monsanto the makers of DDT?
Until recently we hadn’t tried chlorinating water either.
Or experimented with having 7.9 billion humans, and rapidly rising.
Soylent Green is better than nothing, which is (effectively) what you get from faith based agriculture.
Faith based agriculture? Seriously? I would have thought, given the many thousands of years man has farmed organically, that organic farming is evidence based.
How do you feel about water fluoridation?
In what way is a world population of 7.9 billion an experiment?
Indeed, population increase has been going on for a long time. And let’s have it right, living standards increased massively in the 20th century (until population control started to take its toll around 1999).
Evidence-based farming doesn’t result in starvation.
Evidence based anything doesn’t result in starvation (assuming you have good intentions).
Correct, that is why the resulting starvation from this policy shows it was the exact opposite of evidence-based.
Chlorine is poison, 79 billion people would be a good thing (but not as good as 100 billion).
“I’m afraid of babies!”. God coming to Earth as a baby wouldn’t work these days, would it…
Yes.
Are you serious!!!
Have you seen the film?
If not I suggest you watch it.
That’s right it certainly won’t be real organic farming.
No Gates’ Mealy Worms are probably genetically modified. Or perhaps you will be – to make you like them! Yum, Yum!
Gates’ plan for synthetic meat isn’t what I’d call organic farming. Still if that’s what some of the ‘sceptics’ on this site want, so be it.
it’ll be dodgy government.
Shifting over to regenerative farming practices including organic looks to me like a preferable option for the future but it has to be phased in over years you can’t just do it overnight.
Getting rid of pesticides and herbicides has to be a good thing as humans consuming these toxins is known to cause numerous health issues including cancers.
One thing the globalists won’t like is that regenerative farming involves using lots of animals to graze the land and then poop on it to restore the soils, and there only thing you can do with animals is eat them.
Our ancestors had what you suggest, so why did they change. People in poor Countries have what you suggest, so why do they want to change.
‘pesticides and herbicides has to be a good thing as humans consuming these toxins is known to cause numerous health issues including cancers.’
Then why aren’t we all dead?
Absolutely. The life expectancy in the western world has improved substantially over the last 100 years whilst we have all been eating intensively farmed products.
Malnutrition and rickets were the conditions of choice then, now its obesity. How did that happen when the food we are consuming is all poisoned?
Yes life expectancy has increased, but could it have increased further and could our lives be healthier if we were not consuming toxic pesticides and hebicides?
Food is only a part of the improvements we have seen over recent decades, proper sanitation has made a colossal difference, organised household waste disposal, less damaging medical practices, better regulation of industrial processes to eliminate toxic pollutants, moving away from the use of toxins like lead in paint and petrol etc, stopping the use of DDT, stopping the use of asbestos, the list is long.
Ironically the global warming nutters screech about too much warmth yet the increasing co2 content of the atmosphere and the slight increase in temperature over the last 150 years has helped improve crop yields.
We now produce 60% more food from the same acreage as we did 50 years ago. Global population is going to top out around 8bn. We can easily feed everyone with meat, grain or dairy. Educate women, brings down the birth-rate. Economic Development encourages better use of natural resources. We can easily afford running water and toilets. Plumbers save more lives than Doctors, indeed. We are actually close to a sustainable world better than anything we have so far achieved, and the West is determined to run an ideology that breaks it from top to bottom.
Spot on and that’s my take on this madness.
Educate omen in what?
Increase the birth rate! There are plenty of resources in the world if they are used properly. There has been a deliberate policy to decrease British farming produce, and it is an utter disgrace!
should read “women”…
Is that the same argument as ‘vaccinations’ for covid means victims got less sick?
Yes it is, and just as unjustifiable.Your list is long and largely inconsequential as the risks are largely gone and humanity mitigates risk incrementally. Not by turning the world upside down.
You just perpetuate he fear narrative.
The greening of planet Earth…
Life expectancy in western countries has apparently been slowly declining over the past couple of decades or so.
Obesity can be the response to certain toxins (including some fats) which can’t be safely eliminated in the short term.
That’s especially in the UK and USA, I think since the GFC 2008. These countries are examples of extreme inequality.
So far, no evidence of a decline in say Japan, Sweden, Switzerland or Italy and I think their lifespan continues to increase slowly.
The lower obesity levels for Sweden, Switzerland or Italy compared to UK are extraordinary. Surely we’re all ‘Caucasians’? Yet they’re slim and we’re often ‘less slim’.
Rickets is caused by a lack of vitamin D3 which is why it became endemic in newly industrialised countries of the 9th century.
Erratum: 19th Century.
Though saying that, the so-called “Neanderthals” apparently had severe rickets. Miners?
And historically, the investigation into the cause of “Rickets” led to the discovery of vitamin D in the last century.
lot of limeys…
Malnutrition/rickets were probably caused from poverty, rather than the ‘organic produce’ people used to— err… produce. The inability to be able to afford good food.
Anyway, first you have to find soil that contains everything that’s needed for plants to thrive on, and that has everything humans need too, and then you need to be able to keep the birds, slugs and fungus off.
I’m all for ‘natural produce’ – but when you’re on the dole/social security you have to buy what you can afford. All that money for the ‘Covid vaccines’ and not enough money to see the nation can eat properly/healthily.
As for depopulation, it would seem that there are too many people on the planet. Fewer people and more/sufficient for those that remain looks like one answer. Along with proper incentives to study and work.
Japan’s rate of de-population looks manageable. Its all-time peak was in about 2010.
Given that we live on a finite planet, though, it’s a pity that everyone didn’t read ‘The Population Bomb’ (1968) and have somewhat smaller families … e.g. 1.5-2.0 children per couple.
If we had done, the world now might have 4-5 billion not 7.5-8 bn people. Translation: less pressure on resources, especially oil and no excuse for nutters to propose euthanising half the planet’s population.
Wow the sceptics on this site are beginning to sound more like Bill Gates with every post. The Earth can easily support a population of 8 billion or above, but ‘depopulation’ is the in thing it seems. It reminds me of the end of Animal Farm where you couldn’t tell the pigs from the farmers.
No words.
Should read Mark Steyn’s population book, and Tomorrow’s People. The demographic crisis is an ageing population, and it would be even worse without large families.
Too few people. Living standards increased with increasing population through the 20th century but have started to decrease with the demographic crisis of an ageing population,
Population increase has been great, hasn’t it?
‘Our ancestors had what you suggest, so why did they change.’
Farmers changed because government told them to change and offered them subsidy if they did as they were told.
I am not disputing that artificial fertilizer can boost crop growth but I think that it can be done in a better way that is more natural and does not rely on petrochemicals (made in Russia).
‘Then why aren’t we all dead?’
Many people are dead and dying from the various chemicals we have sprayed on foods over the years.
For example Bayer has agreed to pay £10bn in compensation to people that developed cancer as a result of their product Roundup. After years of denying that their product was cancer causing they now admit it, strangely roundup is used by close to every conventional farmer in the world.
I can’t help but wonder how many other people have had/will have cancer but will simply not realise it was down to the roundup they have been exposed to.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53174513
I agree with your main points, but it seems the crux of the matter has been missed by many on here: increasing yields due to fertiliser etc. has a number of undesirable impacts such as:
now I know technically that’s one point but it seems important enough to stress it .
‘Then why aren’t we all dead?’
Lots of people dying from cancer, didn’t you know? And the health benefits of the rationing years are starting to be reversed. Go and read up on the Hunzas when they were originally discovered. That’s what we should aspire to. Read up on cancer free peoples, and Western diseases.
Animals are a vital component of the organic farming circle – have been for thousands of years.
If we don’t fertilise we will not be able to grow crops. If chemically derived fertilisers are not available we will have to use animal so slaughtering our herds is counterproductive.
And then I suspect we will need a massive increase in the science of organic farming and on present outpourings that is not available.
Norfolk four course rotation
It’s the “Sudden [and wholesale] Shift to Organic Farming” that’s the problem, not organic farming itself. There’s no doubt that foods produced by organic farming are healthier than those produced using agrochemicals, but whether they can be produced in the same quantities is another matter. Tim Worstall’s comment is a a tad disingenuous.
“a tad disingenuous” to say the VERY least.
‘There’s no doubt that foods produced by organic farming are healthier…’
There’s no proof.
And these claims are nonsensical.
Why do you say that there’s no proof? Have you scoured the literature and found nothing that supports the claim that organically grown crops and livestock are nutritionally richer than crops raised using agrochemicals? Can you perhaps link to a meta analysis that supports what you say? I’d be interested in having a look.
Read Phillip Day…
Luckily for those of us who can’t afford to eat organic, evidence for the nutritional differences between organic and conventional foods is mixed, to say the least. Some organic methods such as use of – organic – fertilisers rather than inorganic, can bring environmental benefits, for example, in soil conservation.
So can good farming practices.
I’m an OAP and I buy organic produce. Take a look at this: https://e360.yale.edu/features/why-its-time-to-stop-punishing-our-soils-with-fertilizers-and-chemicals
If you consider ‘healthier’ to be smaller, far costlier, with far less productive crop per acre, sprayed with ‘organic’ pesticides which are every bit as toxic as manufactured products, then you have a weird perception of ‘healthier’.
The average age of the industrialised western world has improved over the last 100 years whilst people have been consuming products treated with manufactured pesticides and herbicides, so where’s the evidence of harm?
The average age of the industrialised western world has improved over the last 100 years whilst people have been consuming products treated with manufactured pesticides and herbicides, so where’s the evidence of harm?
Someone who’s convinced that there is harm will have some statistic showing that he’s right. As always.
I suggest a different angle: Can we do without industrial-scale food mass production? If so, and that we could do until into the 20th century suggest we can, we should. The 20th was the American century. It’s time that we sort through the changes and decide which are actually worth keeping. 995.95 different genders (plus another 2.832 on all even-numbered days of a month) and a new cult of the original sin based on falsified and intentionally misintepreted history are certainly not among them.
No. Unless you can demonstrate a version so far not demonstrated.
Where is this “suggested”?
Why? Perhaps Mao might be your preferred reading, that central control murdered at minimum 60M people.
Haven’t you people yet learned from history that free market agriculture is the future of humanity?
The next time it’s controlled by central government, and it’s coming thanks to green nutter and organic fools, billions will die this time.
For goodness sake, what’s murderer Mao got to do with a discussion on organic farming?
Land which could be used for good farming is not being utilised for all sorts of reasons, and I’ve suggested before that there are enough resources in the world for about one million times the current population, theoretically. Absolutely 8 billion, or for that matter 80 billion people could be fed with healthy farming. It would be a long process from where we are certainly, and the Sri Lanka business (like so many ill considered government interventions) was clearly ill conceived. I’ve said elsewhere that governments should have a minister for unintended consequences, and this is a classic example. One that I like to reference was the banning of a certain pesticide as “harmful”, and it turned out that farmers started using an even more harmful one instead that hadn’t been banned. Still, I maintain that there is absolutely a role for the farming I outlined below, (which I described as “healthy” and you described as “elitist”) as long as it is not badly handled by idiot governments like the Sri Lankan one.
Suggestions and theory is why the world is running out of energy right now.
Don’t be a dickhead all your life.
Great. Yet another government intervention.
Don’t you get it? We need less government, not more.
Every time morons like you call for more government intervention, the tighter the authoritarian noose becomes?
Too thick, you are just too desperately thick to even debate.
Bill Gates.
And besides, it is undeniable that during the rationing years, when people grew a lot of their own food, health improved.
No by healthier I mean precisely that, healthier. I’m happy for you to argue against any claim I make here, but I’d rather you didn’t straw man me. I’ve said elsewhere in this comments section that organically grown grown crops are likely to produce smaller yields and to be more expensive.
If you want to talk about increased life expectancy you need to perform a multi-variate analysis. Include thinks like clean water, efficient sanitation, better housing etc.
Where’s the evidence of harm? Seriously? Do you think Bayer paying £8.8bn to settle cancer claims linked to its Roundup weed killer isn’t an indication that some agrochemicals might not be as harmless as sparkling mineral water?
Utter bollox. You’re a fake and a fantasist.
Your multi-variate analysis collapses without the nutrition required to demand clean water and efficient sanitation.
Maslow’s hierarchy of needs places them on the same fundamental level of requirements. Without one, one doesn’t have the other.
The most puerile argument one could bring to a debate. 100 years of human progress and you boil it down to all the health issues derived from a single issue.
Pants. You would not be here were it not for agro science. We would all have life expectancy in the 50’s rather than the 80’s.
Absolute bullshit condemnation of an industry that has brought untold benefits to mankind.
Bill Gates.
N.B. U would not be here if it weren’t for Adolph Hitler. Fact.
Should read “I”!
I bally told you, Straloch farm was getting a pretty decent yield without toxic muck. You’re not making much sense tonight. Been at the chemicals perchance?
(Not that I could blame you with these big agrculture induced lockdowns…).
I understand that starvation comes with a few health hazards.
Still, I’m sure we’ll get it right next time.
Still, I’m sure we’ll get it right next time.
Oh, without a doubt. Lessons will be learned you see.
It does, so does obesity and DDT. Still, I’m sure Monsanto will produce a ‘safe and effective’ insecticide next time.
DDT is still a commonly used insecticide in developing nations, with immense benefits to communities dying from mosquito borne infections.
But indoctrinated western idiots like you perpetuate the myth that Joni Mitchell was a visionary.
Sudden shift to Net Zero plunges UK into worst economic crisis since 1066.
When fantasy and reality collide, reality always wins.
Along with this agricultural disaster in Sri Lanka, their economy is going down the pan as well. They’ve decided to default on foreign/external debts, possibly as much as $51bn. That’s not going to help them purchase any fertilisers (or much else from outside), always assuming there are any to buy, which is doubtful, as they are in very short supply and rising daily in costs by astounding percentages.
I guess that, nowadays, it’s drearily inevitable that mainly politicians, but also other “establishment” figures like medics and scientists, have completely lost any ability to see beyond the end of their noses, or the bottoms of their pockets. We thus have a conveyor belt of Unintended Consequences, ranging from the Comic to the Catastrophic.
There are no Unintended Consequences here. The actions of the Sri Lankan government are clearly intentional.
The country defaults on loans, the farmers cannot produce enough food. I wonder what the outcome will be?
Ferkin hell. Not rocket science is it?
The direction of travel, the meta-concept that ties all these initiatives together is to increase dependency on government and it’s agents. Welfare, jabs, furlough money, megafarming, central bank digital currency. Doesn’t matter what it is. They despise and fear thos who aim for resilience or independence in any form.
Precisely.
Will Irish families be taking in Sri Lankan refugees?
Well, they’ve had practice with the “Ukrainian” ones
According to my local farmer the price of fertiliser has gone from £75 a tonne to £750, to £1500… I doubt that Sri Lanka will be able to afford any of it. Inevitably it will knock on here too, of course, as it makes its way through the chain.
Never mind, plenty of acorns come Autumn…
Reading Rural Rides by William Cobbett, nothing has changed, ‘the price of cows was so low it was beyond belief and the pigs price of pigs was dirt cheap”, the politicians were still ripping off the public and more concerned with their global image than what was happening in their own country
All part of Agenda 2030 and more specifically depopulation.
When 2030 arrives, I expect you’ll have shifted to ‘Agenda 2040’.
It’s always something in the future that’s coming – now that Jabs 2, 3 and 4 haven’t depopulated the world, we’ll label Jab 5 or Jab 9 as ‘The Killer Jab’. Can never be proved/disproved.
Whatever… when 2030 does arrive, there is no doubt we can look back and see what happened with Covid and the jabs.
If we’re still alive, of course.
Speaking of which, did you watch Mark Steyn last night on GB News?
“Yet it was the sudden and obtuse manner in which the ban was introduced – imposed virtually overnight and with no prior warning or training – and the questionable motives behind it, that have left even organic farming advocates furious.”
Net Zero, anyone…?
Plus depopulation agenda of course!
“Organic” or “Chemical” another “Black or white” choice as if there’s no in between or nuance required.
Regenerative Agricuture is already working, on lots as big as 100k acres, but there’s a transition, it’s not a simple switch. See Elaine Inghams ‘soil food web’ or Johnson & Su
Except if it’s done properly, with the correct soil analysis, cover crops, and aerobically composted amendments (tea/extract/seed treatments) it can outperform “chemical” farming both in yeild, higher BRIX, and lower input costs within 4 years.
e.g. year 1 yeild lower by 6%, BRIX higher, input costs lower by $100 per acre.
year 4 yeild higher by 2% BRIX higher, input costs lower by $240 per acre
There’s no ‘one size fits all’ solution, it starts with soil analysis (chemical and microscopy), cover cropping is VERY important (plant roots feed exodates to the soil microbiology), it needs drilling as soon as the crop is off, potash and phos can usually be dropped straight away (there’s usually enough just not available to plants, microbiology makes it available), then it’s about adding the correct microbiology in the soil, and finding the best logistic solution for a given farming opperation.
Mandating a ban on chemical ferts, without a huge educational drive to teach the transition at the same time, well, that’s just plain dumb.
Organic farming practices clearly don’t work.
Look at the Amish and Mennonites they all died out decades ago because they failed to spray big pharma chemicals all over everything and tart up the land with artifical fertilizer.
All those documentaries showing lush Amish farms generating beautiful looking produce along with their and large healthy families are just CGI.
Did I mention they all died out because they didn’t take vacines?
As everyone knows the only way to stay healthy is to take your vaccines and to farm using industrial chemicals.
I can’t help feeling life isn’t all rosy in an Amish community.
You are correct.
There was an incident where an angry Amish family cut off the beards of some Amish men they fell out with, so in truth the Amish are no better than the inhabitants of Chicago.
Basic economics.
Look at the inputs, how many Amish or Mennonites are required to farm.
That agrarian lifestyle requres the same proportion of people working the land as 1840’s UK.
Its doable, next question – is it desirable?
No doubt the Prince Chuckles of this world with their visions of a happy peasantry working the land desires this for the masses.
Seems to be plenty of money for face masks, judging from the photo at the top of this article.
This is not a nice thing to say but I fear there could be another wave of immigration coming our way from our former colony Ceylon.
(Doubtless all part of the planning).
Perfectly reasonable thing to speculate on. We have plenty of Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Kashmiris.
Sri Lanka’s population is 21.5m in case that is useful.
Plastic’s good, innit?
Reminded me of someone I know who eats nothing but organic food – will not eat anything that has chemical additives or has used chemical fertilizers. What I don’t understand about his stance on these food chemicals is that he didn’t seem to have a problem with the chemicals in the experimental mRNA vaccine that was being injected into his body not just once but three times. I saw him the other day in a supermarket loading up with organic fruits and vegetables reading the labels on all the food stuffs checking for chemicals and additives.
I dunno? Perhaps I’m missing something here?
No, he is. A functioning brain.
Same as all of the sportsmen who are ‘careful’ what they put in their bodies but not about this experimental vaccine apparently
From the comments I’ve read on here today, there are a few who rightly think that Pfizer is a criminal organisation pushing unsafe products, but who, at the same time, will defend Monsanto to the hilt and think nothing of consuming glyphosate.
Weird, isn’t it?
They’re very clearly exactly the same kind of greedy vermin.
i know, i couldn’t believe it here of all places .thought maybe is april fools day again, organic consumers organization has lots of good information i found.
https://www.organicconsumers.org/usa
i got name wrong. and it is free speech union here which is so important , so is good to be able to say what think . freedom of speech which in the mainstream news is sure missing !
Does he wear a mask too?
Obviously chemical fertilisers need to be phased out as part of a co-ordinated agricultural policy – the Globalists and Banks who are ultimately in charge, do not want this – they want a “Global food crisis’, which explains exactly what is going on.
The Billionaires and their stooges want a Global Food crisis and the chaos it will cause to help their ‘Great Reset’ along and Governments are helping them get their way – their i insanity is rampaging like a virus around the world infecting all with their obscene wealth which cancels basic morality.
Reminder Gate is said to be the largest individual land owner in the US.But he is not interested in farming.
Excellent farming land in the UK is to be covered with solar panels – which will provide rich returns for wealthy subsidised landowners but not enough electricity fo ‘make a difference ‘.
‘but not enough electricity fo ‘make a difference ‘.
Or even to do ANYTHING.
I may lose whatever credibility I’ve got here but to me, one can equate big agriculture/chemical farming with big pharma. You feed the soil – which feeds the crops, breed (none GMO pest resistant crops) and encourage bio diversity which in turn can reduce pests/slugs etc.
Instead we have big agri interested only in profit. Watch this space for the litigation re Glyphosate – which is poisoning the soil – and us.
Basically the same as virus/bacteria solely cause sickness, therefore hunt down and kill the pathogen and all will be well. Lol.
The terrain/body is everything, the microbe is nothing – Pasteur belatedly acknowledging the wisdom of Bechamp on his deathbed.
Clearly in this case the government rushed things. One has to do this gradually.
The question is: why didn’t the government do this gradually? A cynical person might believe that TPTB really do want a great many people to starve. Starving populations cause instability in regions, leading to greater chaos. The TPTB can then ride to the rescue with digital currency linked to rationing.
Also 100% correct.
The food supply of the world is something that has been the subject of speculation and sensationalism.
If the food production of the world can be controlled then so can the world’s population.
The main focus of food control has been agriculture, with domination of the seed market being sought by five major companies since the mid-1990s.
Biotech companies Monsanto, Syngenta, Bayer, Dow and DuPont – have bought up more than 200 other companies between them to dominate farmer’s access to seeds.
Monsanto in particular has been the subject of much criticism in the tactics it has used to try and dominate the market and keep prices high, also their involvement with governments and other corporations.
The ‘Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’ bought 500,000 shares in Monsanto in 2010 for more than $23 million. The foundation has been heavily criticised in the US and Africa for investing in a GM company that has a history of blatant disregard for the welfare of small farmers around the world.
The foundation has also invested $10 million in a project in Mozambique with partner Cargil, a giant in the agriculture world and known for aggressive tactics, use of slave labour, deforestation, and one of the largest palm oil traders in the world resulting in the destruction of natural habitats.
The ‘Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’ also teamed up with the ‘Rockefeller Foundation’ to finance ‘The Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa’ (AGRA), headed by Kofi Annan.
To read more visit:
https://drrichardday.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/genetically-modified-organisms-gmo-crops/
The Monsanto organisation partnered with the inventors of Golden Rice to deliver free seed to farmers with a turnover of below $10,000 per anum (at the time) royalty free. That represented all but a handful of farmers in developing nations getting free seed.
A few scientific studies have conspired to evangelically pursue a company that delivers $Bn’s of dollars of product, to billions of producers, who benefit billions of consumers, who are leading increasingly healthy lives.
The western health crisis is apparently obesity, but to get obese one has to eat too much Monsanto product!
FFS, get some perspective.
Very naiive.
Refute it then. Don’t make stupid comments.
Here’s another. Bill Gates.
Bill Gates
Goverment and industry haven’t seemed to want to do this. Regenerative farmers like Gabe Brown, Joel Salatin (both USA), Richard Perkins (Sweden) and others have been farming in a way that produces more (nutrient-dense) food and sequesters carbon in the soil. But it doesn’t make pesticide or herbicide manufacturers much profit at all, nor the producers of GM seeds (or artificial NPK fertilisers).
GM crops seem to be a disaster … slowly falling yields, according to the last few talks I watched. Dr Zach Bush is an interesting speaker on this and other topics…
https://21stcenturywire.com/2021/12/15/gmo-chemical-farming-and-the-loss-of-human-health-dr-zach-bush/
Absolute bollox. If organic farming, or derivates thereof, produced more per acre than chemical farming, don’t we imaging farmers would be flocking to it?
The world has prospered nutritionally thanks to chemically farmed foods. You probably wouldn’t be here today were it not for them.
Can any organic nutter demonstrate 100 years of improved human nutrition, health and life expectancy over the past 100 years of human civilisation?
No!
Back in your organic box!
Bill Gates
A few other things been happening in “100 years”. And besides, look where we are now!
You don’t appear to have any knowledge of RegenAg RS, there’s plenty of examples outperforming chemical farming within the soil food web network.
You’d think! It’s not a simple switch, fatrmers tend to do it after they see results of their neighbours, specially when they see the numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLkQJ75GfGY
100% correct.
Consider whether you have blown your credibility, I’m not one to judge.
Mankind has grubbed a living from the earth on a subsistence level for thousands of years.
Industrialisation pops up and along with crop fertilisation/insecticides and herbicides mankind’s life expectancy skyrockets within 100 years.
But today, suddenly, the anti science loonies think it’s a good idea to return to malnutrition, rickets, all sort of poxes, and increased mortality.
It would be really helpful if someone could convince me of the benefits of a backward society.
Bear with me and I’ll have a go at the benefits of healthy farming at least. I will be referring to Phillip Day books, and the Telegraph article from February 18, 2006 – “The answer lies in the soil… how a tract of barren highland was transformed into a fertile pasture – without use of chemicals”.
Whilst the Sri Lanka business was obviously mismanaged, I maintain there is a case for a rethink on farming.
Being that ‘science’ has been roundly condemned by no other than the Editor of the Lancet, kindly do not refer me to ‘science’ as a support mechanism for anything, far less organic farming. We also have ‘science’ supporting AGW and Covid!
There is at least 100 years of indisputable evidence that mankind has prospered from ‘chemical’ farming. A single book, or multiple books, or scientific papers on the matter cannot refute the observational evidence that chemical farming far outstrips organic farming in the progress of mankind.
It may not be perfect, but it’s a step in the right direction. Does your thinking on farming include regression to medieval subsistence farming?
Nutters, all of you. The invention of the plough was considered a crime against God.
See my post and the pictures in the linked article. Looks a healthy harvest to me…
I object to dodgy chemicals in my food on the same grounds that I object to dodgy untested gene therapy drugs.
Right, I’ll start with the Tegraph story, featuring Cameron and Moira Thompson, of Straloch Farm, near Enochdhu. You will see why this may not be in the interests of the pesticides and GM people.
The linked article below, worth reading in full (to borrow a phrase) gives a detailed account of their work, but the quotes below, give an idea of what they are about.
Tribute to Remineralization Pioneer Cameron Thomson of the Seer Centre (1947-2019) – Remineralize the Earth
As such, Angus Horticulture Ltd., which marketed organically-approved products on behalf of Rockdust Ltd. (the trading arm of the SEER Centre Trust), eventually despatched their product to Wiksunds Tradgard — a farm shop and place for courses and events just outside Stockholm, and the general agent in Sweden for rock dust. Lars Angstrom, a member of the Swedish Parliament, and his wife, Katharina, who ran Wiksund Tradgard, recognized that soil remineralization could improve the quality, taste and nutritional value of crops, as well as improve pests and drought resistance and reduce synthetic fertilizer runoff
As Moira has said: “This is a simple solution which could help solve the twin problems of crop yield and climate change, and it doesn’t involve drastic life changes by anyone.”
In recent years, the rich soils Cameron and Moira have regenerated in an otherwise infertile Scottish landscape are capable of producing giant vegetables and a huge biodiversity, which in itself serves as a fitting tribute for Cameron.
Produce that can be the basis for the reversal of human malnutrition and disease. Simultaneously, it can eliminate the “diseases” of the Earth: pollution, erosion, desertification, forest death-dying-burning, CO2 buildup, deteriorating climate, and more.
I shall also provide some information from the Telegraph article that gives additional details.
Predictably your article is drawn from a partisan publication.
And is the Telegraph not an MSM publication roundly condemned for its partisan support of the current narrative?
I’m happy to believe they were immensely successful at their venture however, it’s like maintaining that running a wind turbine, solar panels, batteries and a super insulated house built at exorbitant cost is a scaleable project.
It isn’t!
Scale is the factor here. Whilst running their organic farm in their region (which I know extremely well) with wealthy patrons buying their produce (I have yet to witness organic produce in Dartford market) they live in an alternative world.
Organic produce is a lovely idea but it’s beyond the means of most, just as heat pumps are a utopia beyond the means of most.
This isn’t clever farming, this is elitist farming.
It’s healthy farming – see my comments! With plentiful labour (instead of the current mass killing of children) it would obviously become cheaper. I’m not suggesting it should be forcibly and universally introduced overnight, but it certainly may be usefully increased and followed where practicable. And it would be a far better use of time and resources than many things that people do. And I maintain that vested interests are a factor in pushing chemical farming.I haven’t got to the good bits yet…
Define “healthy farming” you idiot!
That which starves the poor for want of chemical reliant farming that ‘might’ reduce their lives by 5 minutes.
Give me a fucking break!
Do you even understand what you are suggesting here? It’s disgusting.
As can be seen, their methods will not benefit Pfizer, GM or pesticide producers in the least, but would, I suggest, benefit the overall population if more widely adopted.
The Telegraph says of the Straloch Farm neat Pitlochry, “a less promising place to grow food would be hard to imagine”, and describes how “this land is exposed to the full might of the Scottish Winter. With many of its nutrients washed away, the soil has grown acid and sour.” But Moira Thompson’s farm has “made this sesert bloom again”. with “superb vegetables – large cabbages and onions” and “tomatoes, cucumbers, sweetcorn, squashes, courgettes and marrows” in their greenhouses and polytunnel.”
They have “created a fertile soil” and “proved that it’s good soil, not chemicals, that grows healthy crops”. They have done this “mixing the soil themselves” from “fine rock dust hauled from a nearby quarry [made from volcanic rock basalt] and green waste by Dundee City Council”, that produce “ideal conditions for healthy crop growth”, supplying “minerals that rainfall and chemical farming have stripped out of many soils”.with “compost providing organic matter for microbial activity”.
Most importantly, they “have shown that on a soil rich in minerals, and well endowed with organic matter, it’s possible to grow large, healthy crops without the arsenal of chemical fertilisers and pesticides used by commercial farmers today” (but as I say, will be less profitable to some).
The couple contend that “if soil minerals can produce a harvest like that high on a Scottish hillside, they will transform the health and yields of crops across the country”, leading to a “healthier, happier population”.
The couple say, “for years, people have dismissed us as cranks and loonies… bit it’s natures way and it works”. By theit fruits shall ye know them indeed. Naturally they would have suffered from what I would dub the dockleaf problem – pushing something useful, but hardly profitable, and we have seen a similar thing with the dismissal of concerns about untested “vaccines”, and tthe pushing of the gene therapy drugs rather than less profitable prevention of viral illness through vitamin D.
Right, I’ll get onto Phillip Day’s comments on the suject if I have time but his books are available here, and I would particularly recommend the first three on the present subject, though the site has much other interesting information.
Credence UK/Global store | (credenceonline.co.uk)
N.b. Phillip Day is a Christian who was recommended to me by a nun that I know. His newsletter also put me onto the OMNS and specifically this on vitamin D:
orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n04.shtml
FFS….what planet are you on?
Don’t recite bullshit to me, regurgitated from marketing blurb. Explain it yourself.
Describe in your own words what this all means.
Two years of scientific bullshit from ‘experts’, ‘scientists’ and ‘politicians’ and you are still peddling their same old tripe.
We were told wind power is cheap. Not according to my bills!
Food must be affordable and accessible you moron, just like energy.
I don’t give a shit about Philip Day. The chickens are roosting mate. The world is in an energy crisis, and organic farming is not stepping up to a consequential impending food crisis, just like renewable energy didn’t step up to the energy crisis.
Grow up FFS!
Try actually addressing some of my points while I research the Phillip Day stuff. You might start with this one, and expand on your “prohibitive costs” theory By their fruits…
Your points are pointless because they are idealistic.
Let’s all go organic is as moronic as let’s all go renewables.
Let’s all go Universal Income. Perfect in theory, dumb because history tells us so.
Onto Phillip Day.
“Organic versus commercial… another subject over which fatuous wars rage… Would you rather eat food which has been grown in minerally exhausted commercial soils, farmed year in and year out, where only the bare minimum of mineralization (fertiliser) is put back into the soil (usually nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium)?… Commercially grown produce will be drenched in fungicides, pesticides and larvicides to kill bugs because the crops in question because the crops in question are so sick they have no natural defences of their own so they get attacked. That’s the purpose of bugs: to attack and consume sick plants. And that’s the purpose of bugs in your body: to attack and consume sick tissue. Healthy plants can look after themselves, sick plants cannot… Healthy food makes healthy bodies, sick food doesn’t. (Food For Thought, Phillip Day, p31).
“Bad diet crashes immunity and makes you susceptible to disease. Eat food which is organic and know where it comes from.” (ibidem, p32).
David Avocado Wolfe: Health, Nutrition, Wellness And Personal Growth (davidwolfe.com)
(A website Phillip Day recommends on nutrtion etc. – including “5 hidden behaviours of a bully”!).
“Cancer patients would do very well to change their diets to as close to 100% organic plant-based foods, 100% uncooked as they can get.” (Cancer – Why We’re Still Dying To Know The Truth, Phillip Day, p151).
“The average apple sold off the supermarket shelf can test positive for chlorpyrifos,captan, iprodione, vinclozolin and is then sealed in wax for longer shelf life.These pesticides have variously caused birth defects, cancer, impaired immune response, fungal growth, DNA damage and disruption to the endocrine system”. (ibidem, p 248).
To be clear, Phillip Day is a strong supporter of nutritional therapy (which obviously big pharma don’t like), and a trenchant critic of the industrial-chemical complex.
Wonderful news!
Pfizer has just come out with its new mRNA based fertilizer, I’m sure only tinfoil hat nutters will decline.
Why are they all wearing the stupid and pointless masks?
See link below to Ice Age Farmers chart of all the completly coincidental fires & accidents impacting the food supply chain.
Worth considering before arguing about the purity of Organic farming, when The Great Reset mob are clearly targeting conventional food production:
https://iceagefarmer.com/fire/
No point mate. They are all back to their sheepish ways.
Bill Gates
People on a ‘sceptical’ site, drawn in by their personal fear of vaccinations, now revealing their true nature.
Organic food mentioned? They pour in with their virtue signalling about how environmentally cuddly they are.
Hundreds of billions of lives across western nations at least, during the last 100 years, improved beyond measure by fruit and vegetables alone, made readily available by intensive farming across the world.
Do they imagine their Avocado’s and New Potatoes are delivered to Tesco’s thanks to organic farming?
Not an effing chance. We would all be eating cabbages and turnips were it not for modern agricultural.
“Prawn cocktail for your Christmas starter dear?”
“No no luv, I’ll stick with me gruel cos its what me great grandpappy ate in the trenches when he contracted rickets”.
BTW, whatever happened to covid. “Oh! forget that, the MSM now tells us there’s another scare to focus on, the Ukraine crisis, then the food crisis. Covid nonsense is last weeks news.”
You have talked about it to the point of boredom for the last two years.
But up pop’s another ‘scamdemic’ and the whole lot of you return to the sheep you originally were before a few wolves led you into the light, momentarily.
Bill Gates
PS cabbages are great
PPS what u been drinkin tonight?!
This is a very biassed over-simplification of the whole organic versus ordinary farming debate. I have been a member of the Soil Association and they say (and I believe them) that organic farming is really the only way forwards if we want to provide enough food for an ever-growing population. In addition, all those ‘wonderful’ chemical fertilisers are not only doing untold damage to wild life, but also to our bodies. I don’t know the circumstances and hadn’t heard of what happened in Sri Lanka, but obviously an overnight switch wouldn’t be a good idea, as farmers would need training in organic methods – but longterm it would have been a brilliant idea. Less bias in DS, please, in future!!! Perhaps tomorrow we can have an article from a pro-organic farming person!!
Blimey, I do hope so…
It is. As a current member of the Soil Association, albeit not an ‘activist’, it seems to me that they are rather quiet on this issue. Maybe it’s just difficult to achieve publication via the usual outputs.
What is happening ‘overnight’ is the change in prices for the farming trade, including artificial fertilisers – and energy costs for the whole lot.
Potash?
And di we really have to screw over Belarus?
Blaming organic farming for what is going on in Sri Lanka is facile and asinine. To be independent of the global fertiliser and pesticide industry plus that GMO b.s. is exactly what Bill Gates (Guardian paymaster) and the Banksters don’t want – hence the manufactured chaos.
Blaming organic farming for the economic chaos in Sri Lanka is facile and asinine to say the least. Rejecting the global fertiliser and pesticide industry plus GMO crops is upsetting to Mr Globo Cap and the banksters – hence the chaos.
the global fertiliser and pesticide industry
Who are so much nicer than Pfizer
Exactly. The same mindset behind the experimental gene therapy from Big Pharma is at play in world food production. Local natural food production is anathema to them as is natural health care like exercise and vitamin D.
And was there ever a good explanation for those rigged vitamin D trials (which obviously went in big pharma’s favour)?
In spite of the slightly misleading title the section of the article cited above was not about general economic chaos in Sri Lanka but rather the looming threat of famine, ie mass starvation.
With that in mind please explain how the ‘upset’ of ‘Mr Globo Cap and the banksters’ could cause a decline in rice yield from 3.39 to 2.92 million tonnes as opposed to the politically and ideologically inspired imposition of an organic / chemical free (ie archaic and inefficient) method of farming.
In fact all the major worldwide organs influencing individual states such as the UN / World Bank / IMF / WHO / WEF, plus nearly all independent banks and other financial institutions, are entirely behind the poverty and starvation-inducing Green / Climate Change project (though the Sri Lankan government is ultimately responsible for all the policies it pursues).
It is so much easier to attack weaker countries with ruin. Places like Sri Lanka are sitting ducks for the likes of the WEF. Does anyone really think the WEF is looking out for the little guy?
That lot need to stop breeding like rabbits