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Lockdowns and Masks “Unequivocally” Cut Covid Infections, Say Experts. Give Me a Break

by Will Jones
24 August 2023 6:40 PM

Good grief. Will they never give up? A major new evidence review from the prestigious Royal Society has concluded that lockdowns, mask-wearing and other non-pharmaceutical interventions were “unequivocally” effective in cutting COVID-19 transmission. Is such a confident conclusion warranted? Of course not. But then, much of the work was carried out in China and Professor Neil Ferguson was one of the peer-reviewers, so what would you expect?

Released this morning, the report had the desired impact in the media. ‘Lockdowns and the ‘Rule of Six’ did slow the spread of Covid‘ declares the Mail.

‘Lockdowns and masks helped reduce transmission,’ announces the BMJ. “Non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) were ‘unequivocally’ effective when rolled out in tandem during the Covid pandemic and led to ‘powerful, effective and prolonged reductions in viral transmission’, says a report by a team of experts brought together by the Royal Society,” it adds.

In the Times, Tom Whipple writes that the reduction from lockdowns was found to be “about 50%”:

The report involving more than 50 scientists from around the world, found that the strongest impact on coronavirus infections came from a full lockdown. Of 151 studies they considered that estimated an effect of stay at home orders, 119 found a substantial benefit, corresponding to a reduction in the ‘R number’ — the rate of spread of the virus — by about 50%.

And what about the harms, now widely accepted to be exceptionally high? That’s for others to look at, the report says. Why is it always someone else’s job to consider the harms? That was the excuse of SAGE and the Government advisers in 2020 and it’s the same excuse now from the Royal Society. To Whipple’s credit, he goes to Kevin McConway, Emeritus Professor of Statistics at the Open University to make this point. “They seem to be saying, simply, that this kind of assessment is out of scope [for] this piece of work. If not the Royal Society, who is actually going to do it?”

Prof. McConway also criticises the lack of higher quality studies, which he says should lead to some soul searching among scientists as it “shows up the work of scientists on NPIs during the pandemic in a rather unfavourable light”.

Indeed it does. Three and a half years after the advent of lockdowns and mask mandates, where are the properly designed and controlled studies to test the effectiveness and safety of these extreme interventions? Few and far between. Instead we just keep being served up the same low quality observational and modelling studies, which now the Royal Society bizarrely claims demonstrate an “unequivocal” reduction in the infection rate – reported by the Times to be in the region of 50%. This is the kind of spin and misinformation that we’ve all become tiresomely accustomed to since 2020, but don’t imagine the Trusted News Initiative and BBC Verify will jump into action any time soon. Misinformation is only a problem when it contradicts the official narrative, as we know.

Here’s how the report summarises its own conclusions, which is what most of the media reports are quoting:

In summary, evidence about the effectiveness of NPIs applied to reduce the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 shows unequivocally that, when implemented in packages that combine a number of NPIs with complementary effects, these can provide powerful, effective and prolonged reductions in viral transmission.

The report draws on six peer-reviewed evidence reviews commissioned by the Royal Society and published in a special edition of its in-house journal Philosophical Transactions A, which cover:

  • Masks and face coverings
  • Social distancing and lockdowns
  • Test, trace and isolate
  • Travel restrictions and controls across international borders
  • Environmental controls
  • Communication of NPIs in the U.K.

A closer look at the claims about face masks in particular gives a taste of the deep problems that beset this absurdly over-confident report.

Dr. Gary Sidley in the Daily Sceptic earlier today gave a good summary of the real state of evidence on face masks: “It is a long-established conclusion from the scientific world that face masks achieve no appreciable reduction in viral transmission.”

We knew this in 2015-16 with regard to surgeons and their patients (here and here). We knew this in 2020 from a gold-standard Cochrane review, an analysis of 14 studies on influenza and a healthcare investigation that concluded that masks “may paradoxically lead to more transmissions”. We knew this in 2021 based on the Danish mask study and two comprehensive evidence reviews (here and here). We knew this in 2022 in relation to primary schools and universities, and a debunking of premature pro-mask conclusions drawn from the Bangladesh study. And – as if more evidence was needed – at the start of 2023 we had the latest Cochrane review, yet again concluding that covering our faces with cloth and plastic does not significantly reduce the likelihood of contracting respiratory viral infections. 

So what do the Royal Society researchers present to counter this wealth of high quality evidence? A whole pile of poor quality observational studies – the same ones that keep being recycled over and over as though mere repetition can polish the turd. They write (emphasis added here and below):

The investigation included 35 studies in community settings (three RCTs and 32 observational studies) and 40 in healthcare settings (one RCT and 39 observational). …

Most observational studies relied on self-reported mask wearing among participants (n=42/46; 91%). …

Results are not presented as a meta-analysis owing to the great heterogeneity in study design and the variety of outcome measures across the included studies. For the same reason of study design heterogeneity, formal GRADE assessment to assess the certainty of evidence was not universally applied. …

Although most of the numerous studies included in this review found that masks reduce transmission, almost all were at critical risk of bias in at least one of the domains embodied in ROB tools. In addition, the size of measured effects was variable and typically of low precision. …

Most of the studies included in this rapid systematic review were observational rather than experimental. Study designs commonly suffered from a critical risk of bias. The effects measured in each study were variable in magnitude and generally of low precision. Nevertheless, the weight of evidence from all studies suggests that wearing masks, wearing higher quality masks (respirators) and mask mandates generally reduced the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Here’s the summary diagram from the report. I have circled the two gold-standard RCTs that show zero or near-zero significant effect. Note that the Abaluck Bangladesh study which found a small (12%) reduction in infections has been heavily criticised for its methodology, and in any case it found the effectiveness of cloth masks to be around zero. The rest of the studies were observational and at “critical risk of bias”, and so can tell us little of value.

If this is what the Royal Society deems to be “unequivocal” evidence of benefit then it plainly doesn’t understand the meaning of the word.

What about lockdowns and social distancing? According to the report, these were “associated with considerable reductions in community-level transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and the growth of the epidemic”.

Measures of greater stringency were typically associated with greater reductions in transmission during the COVID-19 pandemic, demonstrating what epidemiologists call a biological gradient. Stay-at-home orders, physical distancing measures, and restrictions on gathering sizes were repeatedly found to be associated with substantial community-wide reductions in SARS-CoV-2 transmission and were frequently assessed using the time-varying reproduction number, Rt. …

The body of evidence consistently pointed to substantial community-level benefits of social distancing measures for reducing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, preventing large-scale outbreaks, and controlling rapid epidemic growth. Stringent social distancing measures, whether applied to particular settings or to the entire population, were identified to be the most effective means of reducing transmission.

Was the quality of the evidence any better here? Nope. The study states: “As most of the evidence identified in this review came from observational studies, the quality or certainty of the evidence was mainly rated as low or very low for most studies.”

Furthermore, many of the studies found no benefit anyway:

Three studies did not find a significant association between stay-at-home orders and COVID-19 cases. However, the effectiveness of stay-at-home measures on reducing mortality was mixed, with 16 studies reporting reductions, and nine studies reporting no significant associations.

There was, however, “a multi-national analysis that looked at 210 countries in early 2020 found that stay-at-home orders reduced the incidence of COVID-19 by 11.2%”. Even if we accept this finding at face value (and there are lots of reasons not to, not least that the study came from China), an 11% cut in incidence of a very low-mortality disease as a result of imprisoning the population in their homes should be no-one’s definition of success.

The report also claims to have strong evidence that school closures reduce infections. This is despite the report itself noting that a “study examining schools in North Carolina and Wisconsin, U.S., from 2020 to 2021 did not observe an increase in the secondary transmission rate in schools after distancing measures were relaxed, indicating they had no effect on transmission in these schools”. But not to worry, models to the rescue: “The remaining simulation studies found that school measures were associated with reductions in public health impacts of COVID-19, both in the schools and the community.”

A look at just the first two studies cited in support of the claim about school closures shows the centrality of modelling. From the first: “We estimate the average dynamic effect of each intervention on the incidence of COVID-19 and on people’s whereabouts by developing a statistical model that accounts for the contemporaneous adoption of multiple interventions.” From the second: “Our main counterfactual experiments suggest that nationally mandating face masks for employees early in the pandemic could have reduced the weekly growth rate of cases and deaths by more than 10 percentage points in late April.” It’s safe to assume most of the studies will continue in this vein.

But should we really be surprised that this evidence review came down firmly in favour of lockdowns when the team the Royal Society commissioned to look at lockdowns and social distancing was based mainly in China, the country that pioneered the Covid lockdown? Nine of the 13 listed study authors, including the lead author, are said to work at the “World Health Organisation Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Epidemiology and Control, School of Public Health, Li Ka Shing Faculty of Medicine, The University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, People’s Republic of China”.

What’s more, one of the peer-reviewers for the project was said to be Professor Lockdown – Imperial’s Dr. Neil Ferguson himself – almost literally marking his own homework.

It’s safe to say that this report offers nothing like “unequivocal” evidence of benefit from lockdowns, masks and other pandemic NPIs. As we have seen, in its more candid moments it admits that the results from studies vary considerably and the quality of the evidence from observational studies is low and typically at “critical risk of bias”.

Frankly, the Royal Society should be embarrassed to have put out such a skewed report that dresses up poor quality data as “unequivocally” supportive of the official stance on lockdowns and NPIs – a stance that is, not coincidentally, shared by the Chinese Government, which would have had a hand in the report via the Chinese researchers involved. It should be withdrawn and the misleading media reports corrected.

Stop Press: Professor Carl Heneghan came to much the same conclusion about this report in an interview with Julia Hartley-Brewer on TalkTV this morning.

A report has found social distancing and wearing face masks “unequivocally” reduced the spread of infections.

Professor Carl Heneghan: “There's a mismatch between the conclusion and spin of it… they’re not being critical anymore, it's a disservice to science.”@JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/EfET0E4241

— TalkTV (@TalkTV) August 24, 2023
Tags: ChinaChinese Communist PartyEvidenceFace maskLockdownNeil FergusonRoyal SocietySocial distancingThe Science

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    nickbowes
    nickbowes
    3 years ago

    Gonna need a lot of piano wire for “sage and onions” !

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    DanClarke
    DanClarke
    3 years ago

    Death is always there around us, we live with the thought that we could be diagnosed with cancer or some other serious disease at any time, but its not a preoccupation, it doesn’t stop us just living. Sage and many Real scientists on the other hand, live it, its their raison d’etre, its not ours.

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    Susan
    Susan
    3 years ago
    Reply to  DanClarke

    Death is their raison d’etre? Our death, maybe.
    Don’t make excuses for them.

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    Peter W
    Peter W
    3 years ago
    Reply to  DanClarke

    Well done. Glad to hear some good coming out of the carnage.
    Any way you can help others overcome similar? You are certainly not alone.

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    Catee
    Catee
    3 years ago

    “a solution is to update vaccines to keep pace with virus evolution”.

    The scientists add that “we should also consider whether future vaccination policy will aim to immunise the whole population or only those at risk from severe disease”…..
    Exactly like flu jabs then!

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    Lucan Grey
    Lucan Grey
    3 years ago

    So like the flu vaccine then.

    Sage sole talent is to whip up a scare story out of perfectly ordinary matters.

    It’s time they were returned to obscurity.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Lucan Grey

    Be reasonable, they’re only telling Bunter what he wants to hear. If they didn’t they’d be out of a job in no time flat unable to pay the mortgage. They know that. We know that.

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    st27
    st27
    3 years ago

    The only answer to this “cycle of control and release” is: NO. NO. NO. NO.
    Get out on the streets. London, Saturday 29th is a good start.

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    flyingjohn
    flyingjohn
    3 years ago
    Reply to  st27

    And then watch the MSM ignore it.

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    Epi
    Epi
    3 years ago
    Reply to  st27

    Try and stop me!

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    Cecil B
    Cecil B
    3 years ago

    Events dear boy, events

    This shit show will be overtaken by events

    Mass deaths from ‘vaccines’ this winter.

    Economic collapse

    Insurrection

    Starvation

    The re introduction of Strictly

    Harry eventually shuts up

    This time next year ‘variants’ will be the last thing on peoples minds

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    LMS2
    LMS2
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Cecil B

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0fQ0vYvlI20
    Ice Age Farmer: BRACE FOR IMPACT: “About to get much worse.”

    “We are staring down the barrel of a confluence of several scenarios–each of which individually is a significant, life-changing event–but which are together conspiring is a dangerous and incendiary situation: food shortages, inflation, and a breakdown of the supply chain. A new media narrative today acknowledges food shortages, and blames animal agriculture, indicating we are reaching an inflection point in the collapse. Expect things to accelerate from here. Let’s have a conversation tonight about where we are, where we’re heading, and how to prepare.”

    Intro: (0:00​)
    Shipping: (4:50​)
    Inflation: (8:56)
    Grains Shortage (13:07)
    Meat Shortages (21:56)
    Now you must eat GMO (23:41)
    *HUGE* Narrative Shift! (26:24)
    SOLUTIONS (33:08)

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    Milo
    Milo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LMS2

    the food shortages and supply chain problems have all been planned in advance – this WHOLE thing has been planned in advance – I read something the other day somewhere else about how in final quarter food shortages are coming. And the future jabs for future variants narrative is also what we have been warned was coming down the line. Mike Yeadon has been predicting this for quite some time.

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    Mike Yeadon
    Mike Yeadon
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Milo

    I have never wished so fervently to be wrong.
    I’m very scared about electronic vaccine passports.
    The EU has agreed it’s negotiating text & they expect Go Live to be July 1st.
    Thankfully not 4th of July. That would be too much.
    Once the EU is using VaxPass, has its surely only a short time before U.K. does the same.
    Yet the whole notion is nonsense. You’re not safer being around vaccinated than non vaccinated people.
    The whole notion & system is therefore purely about control.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Cecil B

    The deaths from the vaccines will always be publicised as “Covid deaths”. As far as the mass propaganda media are concerned the deaths and injuries that we all know are happening now after the jabs don’t even exist, just as the case figures deriving from PCR tests are pure BS.

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    DanClarke
    DanClarke
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Cecil B

    They will blame the deaths on ‘variants’ of course and the gullible non sceptics will suck it up. People are still donning a muzzle to go into a cafe to order then taking it off to sit with everyone there, the stupidity doesn’t even register

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    Deborah T
    Deborah T
    3 years ago
    Reply to  DanClarke

    We’re not stupid, Dan! We just don’t want the hassle of EVERY time we go into a cafe/whatever having to argue with others who would like us to wear a mask, who are terrified by our very unmasked presence…if it makes you feel better I generally wear my ‘special mask’ with ‘I hate this Government’ on it. But, no I don’t always, because yes I have a local business, and I can’t afford to be vilified on the local social media group for not wearing a f____ mask, with the subsequent loss of clients (and in my particular business there would be). Please don’t think people are stupid just because we don’t want to have to make a big issue of it every few minutes as we go through a town shopping/eating/whatever, and because we don’t feel like our businesses going into liquidation just yet!

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    RichardTechnik
    RichardTechnik
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Deborah T

    I haven’t worn a mask since last March when I helped a colleague with the impossible task of trying to help the NHS with their PPE shortages when it certainly did not want to be helped. I have had a few people ‘swerve’ but have never, out of thousands who I have encountered, had anyone argue that I should wear a mask. I’ve had others at business meetings take theirs off, acnowledging that “…its all bollox anyway !” Frankly I’m disappointed.

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    Milo
    Milo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Deborah T

    must be very difficult for you.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Cecil B

    You’re right. As long as MeAgain is standing over him with the whip he wouldn’t dare. The funny thing is millions are egging the poor deluded twerp on in the hope he’ll implode in public. And I wouldn’t bet against that happening.

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    Stixcraven
    Stixcraven
    3 years ago

    We’re told that after ‘vaccination’ we only get a mild version of the disease (if we get a disease at all) . We’re also told that there are a limited number of types of spike proteins produced by the body after vaccination due to the ‘programming’ of the mRNA. Therefore is it the case that getting the virus after vaccination may be a good thing so that the body naturally produces a full set of antibodies to more of the spikes thereby reducing the need for weekly /monthly /yearly jabbing? Just asking.

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    RickH
    RickH
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Stixcraven

    There is no ‘need’ in the first place.

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    LMS2
    LMS2
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Stixcraven

    If you get an infection from the virus, you’ll have full immunity until and unless the virus mutates sufficiently to evade your immune system, e.g. like cold viruses.
    New flu vaccines are made available each year because the virus has changed and some people become more susceptible. Most people only get real flu once in their lives. It’s likely that the very elderly will become susceptible again because their immune systems deteriorate with age. But it’s apparently also the case that flu jabs become less effective each year that you have one (I can’t remember specifically why), and for many older people they find that they tend to be more susceptible to respiratory viruses after a flu jab than when they don’t have one.

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    Mayo
    Mayo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LMS2

    This is exactly my understanding.

    Apparently, there was a Cochrane Review (in the US) which showed the protective effect from flu vaccines was only really evident in younger people.

    Basically, the jab was protecting those who would probably have recovered from it anyway.

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    SallyM
    SallyM
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LMS2

    New flu vaccines are made available each year because it makes money for pharma. Most people as they age have likely been exposed to multiple different flu strains. Remember during the swine flu pandemic people aged about 60 and over were largely protected because they’d been exposed to a similar strain in the 1950s, 50+ years earlier!

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    CGL
    CGL
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Stixcraven

    “We’re told that after ‘vaccination’ we only get a mild version of the disease (if we get a disease at all)”
    Tell that to the lady I know of who is recovering from a blood clot on her brain in the last couple of weeks.
    Edit – Sorry I forgot – it’s a coincidence!

    Last edited 3 years ago by CGL
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    Mayo
    Mayo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Stixcraven

    Have you read that somewhere? It’s just that my understanding is that the SPECIFIC high affinity antibodies will outcompete natural non-specific antibodies.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mayo

    Yup, I have read that as well. The result of that is to damage the effectiveness of your immune system, it is the natural non-specific antibody protection that you need.

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    Stixcraven
    Stixcraven
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mayo

    No, I was just speculating wildly about an area in which I have no expertise . Hopefully the job offer from Sage will be in the post soon. I could do with a few extra quid.

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    Nobody2021
    Nobody2021
    3 years ago

    Experts warn everyone to prepare for a world that could look incredibly like the one before.

    Only this time we should all be worried about it, as if not there is a danger that we won’t be needing their expertise.

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    JayBee
    JayBee
    3 years ago

    No sh*t. The vaccines only create the variants, Sherlock. See Prof. Montagnier, who also nailed the origin early on.
    If you want to see something positive in these arrogant, unscientific lunatics remarks here, it’s that they are hereby admitting, preparing people for and covering their a*ses for the fact that the current unofficial but in reality pursued and by them advocated for policy of eradication/zero Covid via herd immunity via ‘vaccinating’ everyone is a gigantic failure and mistake.
    Therefore, lockdowns, masks, NPIs, testing and vaccinating everyone won’t be repeated and the sooner it is ditched and prohibited forever, the better.

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    eastender53
    eastender53
    3 years ago

    There are 300k+ variants so far. If the scare value for each one is, say, 10 days, that’s 30000 days. That’s 80 years of potential SAGE ‘Rinse and repeat’.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  eastender53

    Yippee!

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    Milo
    Milo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  eastender53

    triple mutant variant found in yorkshire – wonder if they will call it the yorkshire variant

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    Deborah T
    Deborah T
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Milo

    We could just call that the ‘triple mutant variant’ then. Then of course there’s the ‘triple mutant with Parmesan’ variety, then the ‘triple mutant with Parmesan and truffles’ variety.

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    bringbacksanity
    bringbacksanity
    3 years ago

    I am not a virologist. So I need a steer here. I have had loads of vaccines (which this is not but humour me). I don’t recall ever being told I need a Yellow Fever booster or update nor a TB one nor a measles one.

    If I have the 1990 TB jab, how come I don’t have the 2021 update – that must be better right ? How come SARS Covid 1 has given nearly twenty years of natural post infection immunity when this upgrade seems to want to change its self as much as my kids change their clothes. Sorry – what am I missing here ?????

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    RickH
    RickH
    3 years ago
    Reply to  bringbacksanity

    “… what am I missing here ?????”

    Just the lies.

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    Mayo
    Mayo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  bringbacksanity

    The standard answer would be that some viruses are more stable than others. For example, flu, which requires a new vaccine every year. There is some truth in this.

    It would seem that SARS-CoV-2 also mutates to the point that the vaccination to the original virus will no longer protect against further variants.

    The real issue is whether a vaccination strategy was the right one when we now know that effective treatment protocols are effective. I’ll say no more because I’ve just watched a video in which Dr Pierre Kory explains how the WHO butchered the evidence which enabled them to reject the use of Ivermectin. I’m still livid.

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    LMS2
    LMS2
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mayo

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/dont_tell_fauci_more_evidence_for_ivermectin.html
    Don’t tell Fauci: More evidence for ivermectin

    Dr. Pierre Kory and his colleagues at the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) are leading an effort to assess the effectiveness of ivermectin as a prophylactic against and treatment for COVID and to communicate to the public the mounting evidence of its efficacy. (Ivermectin is well known as an anti-parasitic, and millions of doses are distributed annually in complete safety.)

    Kory recently published two important papers.

    The first, in the May–June issue of the peer-reviewed American Journal of Therapeutics, is “Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19.” Its conclusions, backed by rigorous consideration of bountiful evidence, are as follows:

    Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

    The second paper, posted on the FLCCC website on May 12, is “FLCCC Alliance Statement on the Irregular Actions of Public Health Agencies and the Widespread Disinformation Campaign Against Ivermectin.” Its subject is the refusal of most public health authorities (PHAs), and particularly the WHO, to address honestly the evidence supporting the use of ivermectin. Its point:
    The … FLCCC and other ivermectin researchers have repeatedly offered expert analyses to respectfully correct and rebut the PHA recommendations, based on our deep study and rapidly accumulated expertise “in the field” on the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19. These rebuttals were publicized and provided to international media for the education of providers and patients across the world. Our most recent response to the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and others recommendation against use can be found on the FLCCC website here.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LMS2

    Unfortunately vaccination programmes cost orders of magnitude more than ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. That is why you’ll have dangerous vaccinations forced on you and be denied treatment with safe anti-virals. As always follow the money, your taxpayers’ money. And see whose pocket it ends up in.

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    chris c
    chris c
    3 years ago
    Reply to  MartinR

    Yes, especially when you will need “vaccines” every six months forever

    And there will still be lockdowns and facemasks forever too

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    Trish
    Trish
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LMS2

    British Ivermectin Recommendation Development
    https://bird-group.org

    Last edited 3 years ago by Trish
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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LMS2

    Thanks for posting.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mayo

    I’ve not had flu for decades and I’ve never had a flu jab. Why did I need a new vaccine every year?

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    Tillysmum
    Tillysmum
    3 years ago
    Reply to  MartinR

    For the same reason that dogs are vaccinated every year. It really isn’t necessary.

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    Mike Yeadon
    Mike Yeadon
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mayo

    SARS-CoV-2 makes typographical errors when it replicates, but the total of changes made in 17+ months is only 0.3%. No change to vaccines warranted.

    Flu mutates using recombination as well as typographical errors. It can change almost completely in a year. Need a new vaccine if you’re using them.

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    LMS2
    LMS2
    3 years ago
    Reply to  bringbacksanity

    Some viruses are very stable, others are prone to rapid mutation, e.g. cold viruses.
    TB is a bacillus, i.e. bacterium not a virus. HIV mutates very rapidly, one reason why a vaccine has not been available.
    Influenza viruses mutate to produce new strains, so new vaccines are required each year, but in the majority of people they only get flu once, and their immune systems have enough memory to recognise new strains. You might get ill, but it will be relatively mild compared to the first time you encounter the virus.

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    I am Spartacas
    I am Spartacas
    3 years ago

    Firstly, from my understanding viruses evolve and mutate and always have done since the beginning of time – flu jabs never exactly match a flu virus of any given year – some flu viruses are so resistant to the flu vaccinations that some flu strains can cause thousands of deaths every year in the UK – I think there were 60,000 deaths from a flu virus resistant to the flu jab in one month alone back in 2018 or something like that.

    Secondly, what is the point of vaccinating the entire population then? Are we going to vaccinate the whole population every month or so … I read somewhere that viruses can mutate ever ten hours – are we to have vaccinations twice a day for the entire country?

    Once the elderly and vulnerable had been vaccinated then the restrictions should have ended once and for all (as we were promised) – there will always be a threat from all kinds of viruses and disease out there – you cannot accommodate for every conceivable variant, strain or mutation out there that may or may not be harmful – at some point you have get back to living your life once again because you cannot continue to hide away indefinitely from a biological phenonenon that is itself never-ending.

    Last edited 3 years ago by Ember von Drake-Dale 22
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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  I am Spartacas

    The elderly need the Wuflu jab like a hole in the head. The deaths of the aged in care homes, not just in this country too, as soon as the jab was forced on them showed that. IMHO the elderly are even more likely to be harmed by this crap than younger age groups.

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    Milo
    Milo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  MartinR

    I agree – my parents are both double vaccinated in part because they feared that being in their 80’s they wouldn’t survive the virus and in part because they thought that, in the wartime like conditions the BBC would have us believe we are living in they “had to play their part”. I’d far rather they had taken vitamin D but could not explain in a way they could understand how it would help them. I have already seen considerable deterioration in them post vaccination – I wonder now how much longer we will have them with us. Very depressing.

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    Fear is Finite
    Fear is Finite
    3 years ago

    I’m still waiting for someone to remember we have an immune system. Anyone?

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    HelenaHancart
    HelenaHancart
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Fear is Finite

    My first thought too!

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    WeAllFallDown
    WeAllFallDown
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Fear is Finite

    I have come to the conclusion that SAGE, Hancock et al have watch too much Battlestar Galactica (V2), and now believes that we are all Cylons who need regular updates to avoid catching some ancient human disease. And what I want to know is where I can get a job where I get to watch TV all day and then make decisions that decide the fate of innocent civilians.

    I think I’d start by watching QVC, and based on the “Science” I’d decree that everyone gets Today’s Special Value item. And anyone who doesn’t comply will be called “anti-value”, and interned until they have purchased 28 days of TSVs, (including one yoga machine, one vacuum cleaner, some toiletries, a 3 million piece socket set and a MuMu). This will be followed by a deradicalisation programme where they spend the next ten years taking crap to the charity shop, (which is almost always not taking donations), the tip, (which is booking only, and has no slots.. ever), and begging fellow citizens to take the junk off their hands.

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    ellie-em
    ellie-em
    3 years ago
    Reply to  WeAllFallDown

    Love it.

    I must admit, I have made several forays to the charity shop and tip to share or dispose of things that I never knew I wanted or needed, until I saw it on the tv and purchased. Gullible?

    Yet I’ve never fallen for the hype (lies) from the government about Covid amongst other things.

    Strange.

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    NonCompliant
    NonCompliant
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Fear is Finite

    BBC say you have no such thing, get in line and wait for injection.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Fear is Finite

    Immune system is so old hat. Every politician knows that.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Fear is Finite

    You’re a very naughty boy then!

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    wendy
    wendy
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Fear is Finite

    Anyone wanting to rely on their own body and immune system seems now to be labelled an alt right, anti vax loon, believed in mass killing. We must all remember there is no such thing as natural immunity to anything from now on and for always!

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    RichardTechnik
    RichardTechnik
    3 years ago
    Reply to  wendy

    I thought that was just a few paid government stooges and some vax zealots on the main fora ?

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    Peter W
    Peter W
    3 years ago
    Reply to  RichardTechnik

    …and our brilliant (so he thinks) Health Secretary Hancock. No such thing as herd immunity (forgetting that his snake oil requires it) and who also thinks Malaria is a virus. This he publicly stated in the House of Commons!
    And this idiot expects us to trust him!

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    Tillysmum
    Tillysmum
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Fear is Finite

    Yes thank you. Mine’s ok I think. 80, take the vits every day walk at least an hour, never take any drugs at all not even aspirin. To my mind Big Pharma is a curse, people need to educate themselves about health and apply some of the cures that were used in the forties.Strangely a great many have become unavailable though.Most people are over concerned about their health now simply because the NHS appears to be free.

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    chris c
    chris c
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Fear is Finite

    The WHO says we don’t have an immune system any more.

    Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss

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    Attaboy
    Attaboy
    3 years ago

    haha whata funny picture… however I would change that to 2029 since the agenda is for 2030

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    Hopeless
    Hopeless
    3 years ago

    I think we’re going to need a Nuclear Armageddon to save us from a mere existence of this sort, if SAGE et al continue to rule the country. The downside to this is that the plutocrats and others of the WEF etc. will no doubt survive in their bunkers, to emerge into the shattered world and join their fellow-cockroaches. The upside is that they might be short of helots and other slaves.

    The alternative is, of course, to terminate SAGE forthwith, preferably “with extreme prejudice”, as the Americans have it.

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    Noumenon
    Noumenon
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Hopeless

    The irony is that the clueless suits who make it out from the bunkers will be the least adapted to the barren and tough way of life they find open to them.

    Those who survive outside in the least affected areas would quickly mop up and probably have a vendetta against those who did it.

    Last edited 3 years ago by Noumenon
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    steve_w
    steve_w
    3 years ago

    every day in the UK 1500 people die. They almost all have been vaccinated against covid. Maybe its a coincidence? Maybe they are dying of old age? Maybe the vaccine? Maybe suicide due to lockdown?

    Its hard to know

    But for the first year of this ‘pandemic’ anybody who died who had previously tested positive for covid was a ‘covid death’ – however previously that might have been.

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    RickH
    RickH
    3 years ago
    Reply to  steve_w

    “Its hard to know”

    Actually, it’s now impossible to know.

    Is that a rat I smell?

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    Peter W
    Peter W
    3 years ago
    Reply to  RickH

    I’m not sure it can be rat. They tend to smell for a while and then go away. This smell is definitely not going away!

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    RickH
    RickH
    3 years ago

    “loss of vaccine effectiveness will result in further economic and social costs” 

    SAGE is now fulfilling the role of Public Enemy No. 1.

    Even a moron knows that ‘social and economic costs’ are mostly to be laid at their door.

    The best vaccination would be to dismiss this body and somehow (given that government and the higher civil service are too culpable to be trusted) find a way of creating a genuine advisory body.

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    steve_w
    steve_w
    3 years ago
    Reply to  RickH

    I agree

    we also need a discussion on the limits of government power, what are true inalienable rights, what rights can be stripped in an emergency and what can’t, what is even an emergency (this isn’t)

    why did we throw away a perfectly decent pandemic response plan in March last year and who do we hang for it?

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    Milo
    Milo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  RickH

    the chant at the march on 29 May should be “get rid of sage”

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    Julian
    Julian
    3 years ago
    Reply to  RickH

    “Somehow” Indeed. I’ve thought about this a lot over the last year and have struggled to find an answer to that. Every check and balance failed us, including the last resort of the general public. Perhaps a very clearly written consitution would have helped a bit – it did in Sweden and Japan, but was simply ignored in many other countries.

    Maybe spotting and combating the early signs of collective insanity should be a subject in schools, along with critical thinking, how to say “no”, spotting a bullshitter. Kind of citizenship classes but with the emphasis on the duty not to comply with things that are mad or morally wrong. Ordinarily you want to turn out citizens who don’t drop litter, drive on the correct side of the road and don’t break just laws, but the dangers of over-compliance are now evident, and disastrous.

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    DanClarke
    DanClarke
    3 years ago

    New Gene therapy labs are opening in the UK soon. The pharma company who is awarded the licence to officially make the covid therapy (vaccine), will make trillions from that and the ‘additions’. Lots of new pharma investors lost money when we left the EU and the perks from that. Follow the money

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    NonCompliant
    NonCompliant
    3 years ago

    Just thought i’d return the favour and repost this here for privacy concerned individuals.

    The thought of Matt Handjob selling on my medical information makes my skin crawl. Conveniently for HM Govt, it’s a two stage process to do it and one of them is manual !!

    https://medconfidential.org/how-to-opt-out/

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    LMS2
    LMS2
    3 years ago

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-coronavirus-enhanced-dangerous-experiments
    Tucker Carlson: Coronavirus was enhanced during ‘reckless, ghoulish, very dangerous experiments’
    “Even liberal media is admitting the coronavirus may have come from a Chinese lab
    for these Chinese scientists, working on the ground at the very beginning of the outbreak, the conclusion was obvious, “the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.” That was the first week of February in 2020.

    That research sat on the internet for weeks, before Chinese authorities pulled it down. And they have, we don’t know what happened to the people who wrote it. But we have a copy. The amazing thing is, even though this was public, public health officials in the west ignored it completely. When asked about the possibility the virus had come from a lab, they became hostile, in some cases, hysterical.”

    Many of us saw videos and information based on the conclude from the scientists in China. It made sense, rather than a virus occurring naturally from a wet market that didn’t sell the animals the virus is said to have come from. But we were just dismissed as conspiracy theorists.

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6255466496001#sp=show-clips
    Dr. Li Meng Ya claims she has produced evidence that COVID was lab-made
    May. 22, 2021 – 6:07 – Chinese virologist joins ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight’

    It’s claimed that the SARS-COV2 virus contains elements of HIV and a prion-like protein. The spike protein has haematological effects, i.e. causes clotting problems, both in the whole virus and the vaccine.
    The last thing the vaccines should be made from is the spike protein. It has too many serious side effects. In the under 50s it’s likely to kill more than it saves, and damages the health of many more.
    To make a proper virus-based vaccine, would it also be necessary to remove the HIV and Prion elements?? That would take more time than the politicians and scientists think they have, i.e. years. Perhaps a vaccine from the original SARS virus would have been better, but not an mRNA vaccine, but an attenuated one.
    Maybe it’s one reason why the zero covid policy is being pursued, even if it’s not admitted? That they’re afraid of the potential long-term effects of infection from the virus, and why they’re trying to force everyone to have the jab?

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    Milo
    Milo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LMS2

    “It’s claimed that the SARS-COV2 virus contains elements of HIV and a prion-like protein. The spike protein has haematological effects, i.e. causes clotting problems, both in the whole virus and the vaccine.”

    these are the “gain of function” elements. You don’t need to be a Nobel prize winning scientist to be able to work out that some pangolin didn’t add these to a virus it was shedding before passing it on to a bat in a wet market.

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    Attaboy
    Attaboy
    3 years ago

    you wont travel, you wont own anything and you will be happy

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    helenf
    helenf
    3 years ago

    Blah blah blah…says the worthless pieces of shit in SAGE

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    DoctorCOxford
    DoctorCOxford
    3 years ago

    And they will be able to get away worn it if the people don’t start saying “No!” The Americans are free now. We will not long put up with this insanity when America (and doubtlessly other nations) are free.

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    LMS2
    LMS2
    3 years ago
    Reply to  DoctorCOxford

    The Americans aren’t completely free yet. They still have the Marxists and radical Left in charge of nearly everything.

    And in the meantime, this is going on:
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/pro-life-activist-daleiden-says-dr-fauci-owns-every-bit-horrific-pittsburgh-study-scientists-growing-aborted-baby-hair-lab-rats/
    “Pro-Life Activist Daleiden Says Dr. Fauci Owns Every Bit of Horrific Pittsburgh Study where Scientists are Growing Aborted Baby Hair on Lab Rats

    As reported earlier — The University of Pittsburgh is growing scalps from aborted babies on lab rats.
    This is straight from a horror movie.

    The scientists are using human baby fetal skin processed via removal of excess fat and growing the baby hair on rats.”

    WTAF!

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    Milo
    Milo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  DoctorCOxford

    yes it beggars belief doesn’t it that americans are free and we are not. confirms further my belief that there are those in this government who have done some kind of deal with Schwab to be the most draconian in their handling of the ‘pandemic’/jab rollout in order to gain some kind of “first nation” status [and big payout]. UK, neck and neck with Israel.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago

    Get used to it guys, you’re living in Lockdownland and it’s never going to change now. Once communists are ensconced in the seat of power they never give up until they (and if) they are removed by force. And I can’t see that happening in this country ever.

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    LMS2
    LMS2
    3 years ago
    Reply to  MartinR

    They have the guns. We don’t. I fear you’re right, and there’s nowhere to run to.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago
    Reply to  LMS2

    To be honest even if you’ve got a gun it won’t do any good unless you’re organised. That is why the left organise into militias e.g. BLM and Antifa. Mind you if you’re on the right, i.e. not a communist, you wouldn’t be allowed to organise into militias like that in the first place. As an individual they just pick you off one by one. Look what happened to Tommy Robinson for sticking his head above the parapet and telling a few home truths. And he didn’t even have a gun.

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    HelenaHancart
    HelenaHancart
    3 years ago
    Reply to  MartinR

    Get off your knees and fight, or lay down and die. Its your choice. I know which side I’m on.

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    HoMojo
    HoMojo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  MartinR

    Come on, a bit less pessimism. Why do you want to lie down and give up? Even China didn’t lock down as much as we have

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    Catee
    Catee
    3 years ago

    While I appreciate writing to/emailing your MP is invariably a complete waste of time please can I encourage you to do so.
    I have emailed mine regularly with links to new research on treatments, vaccine side effects and cost of lockdowns. I intend to forward all his dissmissive replies to any public inquiry and/or legal process, there is no way on this earth I’m going to let him get away with “I wasn’t aware”.

    Last edited 3 years ago by Catee
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    DanClarke
    DanClarke
    3 years ago

    One SAGE scientist “There were discussions about fear being needed to encourage compliance, and decisions were made about how to ramp up the fear. The way we have used fear is dystopian.”
    Another SAGE member said: “You could call psychology ‘mind control’…
    “A member of SAGE said they were ‘stunned by the weaponisation of behavioural psychology’ during the pandemic… ‘psychologists didn’t seem to notice when it stopped being altruistic and became manipulative.
    They have too much power and it intoxicates them’.” Telegraph

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    Peter W
    Peter W
    3 years ago
    Reply to  DanClarke

    We need Derren Brown to get us on a different psychology.
    Perhaps his red or blue placebo pills? The vaccine trick is not working.

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    Trish
    Trish
    3 years ago

    Oh for goodness sake. Do these “experts” consider that there is absolutely no other mechanism by which a body can protect itself other than a vaccine? Have they not noticed that the vast majority of the world’s population has not died of a Sars Cov 2 infection? What mysterious reason could there be for this? Oh maybe it’s the human immune system – just a guess. And are we really expected to believe that after 15 months there have been no treatments developed? Well we know that there have, that they show promise, but they just get ignored, dismissed and worst of all, censored.

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    Julian
    Julian
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Trish

    I’m sure they know plenty about the immune system and are indeed experts. They are also vain, evil, cowardly, power-hungry, corrupt liars and cheats.

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    HelenaHancart
    HelenaHancart
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Julian

    And greedy. Billions of beans resting on the rollout of all these vaccines and all the future ones they have planned…(cough) sorry…they will need to develop!

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    yohodi
    yohodi
    3 years ago

    The Gov and their pet scare tacticians knew this relentless coersion would push people towards voluntarily accepting a jab, nulifying any comeback from Human rights and the Nuremburg code. Very few people know that these jabs are unlicensed and still actually in experimental trial stages.

    Last edited 3 years ago by yohodi
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    Matt Mounsey
    Matt Mounsey
    3 years ago

    Can I have my “already had it pass” then please? As far as I can see, there are no re-infections.

    Just kidding, I would consider any person that participated in such a scheme to be lower than a Nazi collaborator.

    But it does raise the question, do the vaccinated have more to fear from the unvaccinated, or is it the other way round?

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    Richy_m_99
    Richy_m_99
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Matt Mounsey

    Not fear, but sympathy for those who chose to accept, either through fear, peer pressure or coercion to allow their bodies to be violated in such an invasive way. There will undoubtedly come a time when they cone to realise that what they have done is non reversible and they are going to have to live (or die) with their decision. At that point, instead of deriding those who chose to decline, they will be asking themselves how could they have been so stupid as to allow themselves to be fooled by false promises, threats and faux medical analysis.

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago

    If communists and greens stand in elections and call themselves ‘Conservative’ does that make them anything less than communists and greens?

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    MartinR
    MartinR
    3 years ago

    French Nobel Prize winning virologist professor: The COVID-19 Shots are Creating “Variants”.

    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/french-nobel-prize-winning-virologist-professor-the-covid-19-shots-are-creating-variants/

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    James Kreis
    James Kreis
    3 years ago

    Reminder

    image.jpeg.77961a71d9476a76241495a9e354d898.jpeg
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    Moist Von Lipwig
    Moist Von Lipwig
    3 years ago

    Scariants – the new buzzword from Branch Covidian communist doomsday cultists

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    flyingjohn
    flyingjohn
    3 years ago

    This scaremongering will never end until SAGE are disbanded. The trouble is, that would remove Johnson’s ‘shield’ that he hides behind. It looks like we will have to suffer SAGE scaremongering until either the next General Election or Johnson is removed by a coup.

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    Mike Yeadon
    Mike Yeadon
    3 years ago

    Ignore anything SAGE publishes on immunology. They don’t have a card carrying immunologist on board.
    Just a bunch of psychologists & modellers.

    Nothing by way of variants has emerged in over one billion human infections & almost 18 months of replication in human hosts which evades multi locus immunity.

    It’s possible this is the most slowly mutating virus ever to have been studied.

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Mike Yeadon

    Thank you Sir.

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    marebobowl
    marebobowl
    3 years ago

    There is only minimal data on Vaccine efficacy and safety at this point. The trial studies will not finish til 2023. Looks like top ups of the experimental biologicals will be ongoing, which may create variants, which may create the need for another jab and so on. Hard to get off this treadmill.

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    Less government
    Less government
    3 years ago
    Reply to  marebobowl

    Here’s the detailed safety data…. not going well at the moment:
    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/05/13/uk-government-release-15th-report-on-adverse-reactions-to-the-covid-vaccines/

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    HoMojo
    HoMojo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  marebobowl

    Knut Wittkowski says Lockdowns gives the virus plenty of time to mutate and continuing then will continue the cycle. As if they don’t know that

    https://covidcalltohumanity.org/2021/04/06/dr-knut-wittkowski-lockdowns-are-creating-a-new-epidemic/

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    HoMojo
    HoMojo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  HoMojo

    Sorry, full article/interview here https://dryburgh.com/knut-wittkowski-lockdowns-are-creating-a-new-virus/

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    WeWantEvidence
    WeWantEvidence
    3 years ago

    A rare disease that affects mainly those who have one foot in the grave that has a 99.x% survival rate and is rather obviously going endemic in the UK is promoted as being so scary and so deadly that we should expect our lives to be disrupted by it for several years?

    It’s just as easy to buy a Scientist as it is to buy a politician.

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    Epi
    Epi
    3 years ago

    STOP IT – JUST F…ING STOP IT!!!

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    HoMojo
    HoMojo
    3 years ago

    There is no Indian variant https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/05/23/the-mainstream-media-are-lying-to-you-indias-government-confirms-the-indian-variant-does-not-exist/

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