In just the last few weeks, more evidence has come to light suggesting that Ukraine – and not Russia or the U.S. – was behind the Nord Stream sabotage.
We already knew that in the summer of 2022 the CIA warned Germany about a possible Ukrainian attack on the pipelines, following a tip-off from a U.S. ally. We now know that the attack itself “bears striking similarities” to what the U.S. ally (which turns out to be the Netherlands) said Ukraine was planning.
The Dutch intelligence, which was among the materials released in the Discord leaks, was obtained and corroborated by the Washington Post.
It revealed that “six members of Ukraine’s special operations forces using false identities intended to rent a boat and, using a submersible vehicle, dive to the floor of the Baltic Sea then damage or destroy the pipeline and escape undetected”. This of course lines up closely with the story German investigators have pieced together so far.
The intelligence also revealed that the would-be attackers “were not rogue operatives” but reported directly to General Zaluzhnyi, the commander in chief of Ukraine’s armed forces.
German investigators have identified the Andromeda, a 50ft pleasure boat, as the vessel used to carry out the sabotage – which we already knew had been rented by a Polish company that was allegedly founded by two Ukrainians. As Der Spiegel reported recently, an email sent to the vessel at the time it was rented also leads back to Ukraine.
According to the Wall Street Journal, investigators have now “fully reconstructed” the boat’s “entire two-week long voyage”, establishing that it sailed “around each of the locations where the blasts later took place”. They have also confirmed that traces of explosives found on board match explosive residue found on the pipelines themselves.
One of the explosives used in the sabotage was HMX, which is apparently “well-suited for demolishing underwater infrastructure”. What’s more, the quantity required to blow up the pipelines “would have easily fit on the Andromeda”, according to a European official.
In the latest development, various outlets reported yesterday that the CIA actually told Ukraine not to attack the pipelines, though it is “not clear how the Ukrainians responded”.
Some sceptics insist this is all an elaborate cover-up to disguise the true perpetrators of the sabotage – the U.S. government. I’m not convinced. That theory made a certain amount of sense back when it was being alleged that “pro-Ukraine saboteurs” were responsible. But the latest reports directly implicate Ukraine’s government.
Why would the U.S. want its European allies to believe the country they’ve been arming, training and supporting destroyed a major piece of European infrastructure? ‘To stop them blaming the U.S.,’ is one answer. But if the U.S. is trying to deflect blame from itself, why not devise a cover-up in which, say, Russia was responsible? Or at the very least, stick with “pro-Ukraine saboteurs”? It doesn’t make sense.
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Cue Carl-Rons fisticuffs.
I’m keeping an open mind on this one. I’ve been reading Oliver Alexander’s stuff on this, and there are different ideas about how this might have happened, but IMO it was either Russia or Ukraine. I would just question why it’s supposed to have been Zaluzhnyi (rather than Budanov) in direct charge of such an operation, and how the Dutch knew that. I would also question whether a 50ft yacht really could have been used for this, and I’d question the email metadata thing – were these guys really communicating with Kyiv HQ using email over an insecure connection (and I know it’s technically a more complex question than that, because emails are inherently insecure, but really?). I suppose more will come out in due course, and I don’t think Noah’s articles on this topic have been way off base or anything. If Ukraine did it, then Ukraine did it. But there is an article from me coming out later today regarding a different topic (the dam), where I do take a very different line from Noah’s.
You don’t have an open mind.
It makes more sense if one thinks in terms of commercial interests trying to monopolise control of Europe’s natural gas suppliers, as has been done globally with oil for decades, rather than national interests.
..but the pro-Ukrainians don’t like facts, history, politics or anything that doesn’t fit the simple one sided simplistic bad\good theory..everything else, including the truth, is extraneous to the propaganda….!
That is why the MSM are losing this battle..literally millions of people now look elsewhere for actual news….
….do you see anything from the USA about democracy, peace, or sorrow for the poor Ukrainians caught up in this proxy war? This is from the latest ‘op-ed’ in the Washington Post…
“As he heads into next year’s reelection campaign, Biden needs a major battlefield victory to show that his unqualified support for Ukraine has burnished U.S. global leader- ship, reinvigorated a strong foreign policy with bipartisan support and demonstrated the prudent use of American military strength abroad.”
That’s what it’s always about….and tells you all you need to know….
Effectively the USA, Biden has a lot to answer for.
It can’t have been Ukraine, because that country is a model of democracy and virtue, and Zelensky is the new Churchill. If they had done it, it would have been an attack on a NATO state, destroying its prosperity and all the NATO nations would surely have united to strike back, as they did after 9/11 in Iraq, rather than sending their entire arsenals to bolster the regime.
Therefore it must have been Putin in his submersible, because he is evil.
I do believe you have a good point there Jon.. not so sure Putin though. I’d heard he was told to stay in a certain exposed room in the Kremlin and prepare for assassination.. 😉
Good gods, look at excess deaths in Germany 2019 vs 2022. Is this for real?? There has to be something wrong with this data, surely that’s not right?! 😮
https://twitter.com/goddeketal/status/1668906903642972161?cxt=HHwWgoCxrZL_kqkuAAAA
My money’s on Boris.. why.. because he was seen in cash converters (Islington) buying snorkelling gear and an idiots guide to explosives. No brainer as far as I’m concerned.. 😉
For anyone who has been paying attention the alliance between Germany and Russia has been a concern of the Anglo-Americans for several decades – the industrial discipline of Germany and Russian resourses. Unless you understand this battle you understand nothing.
This is not working given the alliance that is forming against the west. I would say pull back we are being drivnen into a cliff. I say this now just look at where you wll be in a few weeks time. I say this from genuine experience and knowledge you have to acceopt the situation.
With all of the talk about blowing up the pipeline how did US and European military intelligence not know this was happening? All the US and UK, being the prime funders of the war, had to tell the Ukraine is, don’t blow up the pipeline. Nah I don’t buy it. A 50 foot boat in middle of the Baltic! Really!