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“PayPal, You Messed With the Wrong Guy”

by Will Jones
22 September 2022 6:13 PM

Laura Dodsworth has interviewed Toby about PayPal’s shocking and “ironic” deplatforming of the Free Speech Union and the Daily Sceptic. In the introduction on her Substack page (which you can subscribe to here) she sums up what makes this latest piece of censorship from the woke tech giant so worrying.

PayPal has closed the accounts of the Free Speech Union, the Daily Sceptic and founder Toby Young’s personal account. Since all three accounts were shut at once and PayPal won’t specify exactly why it has taken this action, it would appear to be a blatant case of censorship.

This is Big Tech bowdlerisation and banditry as PayPal is also withholding Toby’s funds (which it has the right to do) while it decides whether to apply damages. Make no mistake: this is a chilling insight into a world of social credit scores and programmable currencies, where your money can be turned off at the flick of a switch if you don’t behave.

It does not bode well that the Bank of England is consulting with PayPal, among others, about how to develop a CBDC [Central Bank Digital Currency].

Here’s an excerpt from the interview.

How do you feel about it?

I’m really angry about it. How dare they? I’ve had my personal account for nine years and never heard a peep about violating its policies before now. I’ve been paying the 1.5% commission on all transactions without complaint. Where does it get the nerve? To just pull the rug out from under me, with no notice, just accused, tried and convicted all at once, with no possibility of parole. Thank God PayPal isn’t running the criminal justice system!

What are the implications for your organisations and for you personally?

I only used my personal account three or four times a year, although it has more than £600 sitting in it and I can’t get that out. PayPal reserves the right to hold on to the funds for 180 days in case it wants to extract “damages” for violating its Acceptable Use Policy. But the cancellation of the Daily Sceptic and FSU accounts is really serious. About a quarter of the Daily Sceptic’s donors were using PayPal and about a third of the FSU’s 9,500 members are using PayPal to process their recurring membership dues.

Is this an existential threat to what you are doing?

No, we’ll survive. In fact, I think we’ll come back stronger. And the FSU is going to try to get the law changed so PayPal and other financial services companies can’t deplatform other people for expressing political views they disapprove of. I feel like saying to PayPal, “You messed with the wrong guy.”

How will you mitigate the threat?

We’ve had to contact all supporters of the Daily Sceptic and the FSU using PayPal and tell them to switch to a different payment processor. But, inevitably, some of them won’t open the email, some will assume it’s a phishing scam and some just won’t bother to switch. We’ll undoubtedly lose a lot of revenue as a consequence.

What legal action can you take? What are PayPal’s contractual obligations to you?

I’m currently looking into that. More soon. But whatever happens, we’ll make a complaint to the Financial Conduct Authority. 

What sort of company are you in? Who else has this happened to?

It’s happened to Us4Them, the lobby group set up by three mums to try to get schools reopened during the lockdown. The U.K. Medical Freedom Alliance and the Exposé – both have raised reservations about the mRNA vaccines, so that’s probably the reason they’ve been deplatformed – and, in the U.S., Colin Wright, a gender critical evolutionary biologist, and a couple of Left-wing sites that oppose the war in Ukraine, Consortium News and Mint Press. But I’m sure there are many others. In February, PayPal announced it had closed 4.5 million accounts.

Laura provides a helpful list of possible actions for those who’ve had enough of “censorship, deplatforming and the erosion of liberty”. They include:

  • Become a member of the Free Speech Union.
  • Complain to PayPal about this transparently political act of censorship.
  • Write to your MP if you have concerns about censorship, deplatforming and the financial punishment of these websites. As the Bank of England and Treasury investigate the development of a Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) it’s vital that people’s financial security is protected. Not only do individuals and businesses need protection now from companies like PayPal, but they will need it even more so in an increasingly cashless society. It does not bode well that the Bank of England is consulting with PayPal, among others, about how to develop a CBDC.
  • Share the #BoycotPayPal hashtag on Twitter.
  • Share this article and spread the word.

Worth reading in full (of course).

Stop Press: Toby points out that he has expunged all traces of PayPal from both the Daily Sceptic and the Free Speech Union. So if you’re a donor to the first or a member of the second, there’s no need to change anything unless PayPal was processing your payments. He has already emailed all those affected by the PayPal account closures telling them what they need to do. If you haven’t heard from him, there’s no need to do anything.

Tags: Big TechCensorshipDigital currencyPayPalUKMFAUsForThem

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The Caveman
The Caveman
2 years ago

Well, that’s reason enough to make me close my PayPal account.

I even found £39 in there that I didn’t know about, so double win for me.

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Hugh
Hugh
2 years ago
Reply to  The Caveman

Have now closed my PayPal account as a direct result of their attack on free speech. Might I suggest that anyone who has done likewise posts on this forum or contacts Toby Young/admin? PayPal need to know they will lose people over such attacks.

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JXB
JXB
2 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I had two PP accounts. I transferred recurring payments to my CC and closed both, and since they asked told them why.

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Nicholas Britton
Nicholas Britton
2 years ago
Reply to  The Caveman

Just closed mine too. If you select the option to have them delete all your data too then you can leave a comment. I just said I oppose PayPal’s anti-free speech policy

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Deborah T
Deborah T
2 years ago

TRYING to close my account…..have cancelled all active Automatic Payments. But Paypal tells me I can’t close when there is a ‘pending transaction’. I check my account. No pending transactions showing. I ask the ‘Automated Assistant’. It says there are no pending transactions. Interesting. Will leave it a few days and try again. Could they possibly be making it difficult for people to close? Notice Jack Dee has tweeted urging people to close.

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Mark S
Mark S
2 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

I had the same problem! Removed the automatic payments but they’re telling me I can’t close the account as there is an outstanding transaction which is not the case.
I don’t want to leave it dormant, so I’ll ring them tomorrow.
If anyone is interested, contact them via the number from here: Contact Us (paypal.com)

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Deborah T
Deborah T
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark S

Replied to you lower down – just seen this. 🙂 I’ll try ringing.

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JXB
JXB
2 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

I had this problem too. I traced it to a Direct Debit mandate with my bank. Even though all transaction were cleared, recurring subs cancelled the active DD prevented account closure.

I cancelled the DD mandate with my bank, and immediately afterwards I was able to close the PP account.

In fact I didn’t realise there was a DD, but apparently one us automatically set up when you link a bank account with PP.

Last edited 2 years ago by JXB
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For a fist full of roubles
2 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

I had the same response and when I spoke (eventually) to a person was told that the the payee had received the money, but PP had not collected the cash from my bank account and it would complete in a day or two. Ironically it was a sub to TCW, which are in the process of dumping Poopal.

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JeremiaDee
JeremiaDee
2 years ago

I just cancelled my PayPal account. I too found some forgotten funds there — $40. I used it towards a donation to The Daily Sceptic.

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TJN
TJN
2 years ago

Toby appears to be quite hurt at PayPal’s actions, as if his feelings have been wounded. Really, I thought he must have been more thick-skinned than this, but he actually appears to me to be hurt.

Likewise Molly Kingsley at UsforThem, on their own cancellation: ‘it’s painful and embarrassing and makes you feel, well, a bit shitty and crap.’

https://twitter.com/lensiseethrough/status/1572664860055404544

I’m surprised at their apparent sensitivity.

‘A bit shitty and crap’??? Really??? I’d be proud.

Don’t they know by now – they of all people – that we are dealing with utterly evil organisations here, who are a threat to decent humanity and all it means to be human. Really, haven’t they cottoned on to this by now?

Jabbing children with covid mrna – and censoring and ‘cancelling’ anyone with the temerity to disagree? Mrna stab mandates?

These people are off-the-scale evil. That needs to sink in, with Toby, Molly, everyone.

And don’t think it will stop with cancelling a payment facility. Given the opportunity, these people will go much, much further than such flea bites.

They are psychopathically evil. We all need to face up to this fact, square and full on.

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Hugh
Hugh
2 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Becoming a martyr would make me proud. I’d still probably feel crap though. Yes it should be a badge of honour for Toby, but he is right to feel angry about this attack on free speech and him personally.

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TJN
TJN
2 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I wouldn’t feel crap at all. The DS and FSU will survive, so Toby says, and I imagine will be strengthened by these events.

We are talking here about individuals and organisations who support and coerce, through censorship and bullying, the wholesale stabbing of children with mrna poison. I can’t find the words here to express my feelings about such people. I’d be most proud to count them amongst my sworn enemies, and glad that they recognise me as such.

Toby and Molly – pour yourselves a little celebratory drink this evening. You deserve it.

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Hugh
Hugh
2 years ago
Reply to  TJN

The point is that those muppets at PayPal should not be doing this, and we should all be angry about the fact that things like this are happening. I do of course feel heartened that the FSU is going after such people, and Toby has done a great service sending out the message that attacks on these basic freedoms will now be effectively countered.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Hear, hear.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Nailed it.

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Jane G
Jane G
2 years ago
Reply to  TJN

I wouldn’t feel anything other than revulsion at having had anything to do with such a dodgy outfit as PP. (I brushed them off like dandruff long ago for other, related, reasons.)

I’m toying with the idea of going further and closing a small s&s fund I hold with Vanguard; the trouble is, this kind of forensic cleansing of links with globalists probably isn’t really possible or sustainable. Unless I sink all my savings into a cabin in Yakutia and live off fish and melted snow, there’s no real way out.

Maybe ‘ethical’ investing will take on a new meaning; we could instead invest in micro- firms; person-to-person (there’s a proper name for it but I can’t bring it to mind) instead of trusting our resources to these bandit corporations.

Damn it! Another thing I’m going to have to read up on, and it’s tedious and I’m busy enough as it is.

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Amtrup
Amtrup
2 years ago

This act by PayPal has actually caused me to join the FSU today. Maybe it will have same effect on others.

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HicManemus
HicManemus
2 years ago
Reply to  Amtrup

Yep, my other half will be joining. By the way, when you close your account do ask PayPal to delete data relating to your account. It also gives you the opportunity to tell them why you are closing your account.

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Hugh
Hugh
2 years ago
Reply to  HicManemus

Whoops, too late!

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ebygum
ebygum
2 years ago
Reply to  HicManemus

Yes..it’s quite cathartic….I put a little spiel about freedom of thought and action, and how I had never supported fascism, and wasn’t about to start now! LOL!

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JayBee
JayBee
2 years ago

I think cancelling the Free Speech Union is not ironic but iconic, and pretty much the very definition of being Orwellian.
On a positive note, sometimes and with hindsight, such events are watershed events and major turning points though.

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TJN
TJN
2 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Certainly a wake-up point.

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Hugh
Hugh
2 years ago

“No, we’ll survive. In fact, I think we’ll come back stronger. And the FSU is going to try to get the law changed so PayPal and other financial services companies can’t deplatform other people for expressing political views they disapprove of. I feel like saying to PayPal, “You messed with the wrong guy.” “
This on its own is ample reason to join the Free Speech Union for anyone who has not already done so. Make no mistake, we risk sliding further towards dictatorship and tyranny if we don’t fight back.

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
2 years ago

I would close my PayPal account but I realised that they where a bit rogue about ten years ago and closed it then.

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JohnK
JohnK
2 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

I used to have one some years ago, but closed it due to security problems. Some traders encourage it’s use, but there are other ways round.

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petedude
petedude
2 years ago

Closed my PayPal account (that I’ve had since 2004) and made a direct donation to Daily Sceptic using my credit card. Also lodged a complaint with PayPal. Note that the quickest way to complain is to select this option from the dropbox: “I don’t see my complaint reason”, as otherwise you’ll be taken through a maze of other rubbish. https://www.paypal.com/uk/smarthelp/complaints

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Mark S
Mark S
2 years ago

I’ve changed mine over to bank card.

I did use PayPal a lot but in support of this ridiculous decision I’m closing my PayPal account but boy are they making it difficult. Telling me there is an outstanding transaction when there plainly isn’t.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark S

I’m getting the same thing!

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RW
RW
2 years ago

What’s urgently needed here is a law which prohibits discrimination against people because of political opinions they’re suspected to have. So-called democracy cannot work if every sufficiently powerful private entity is free to stage private persecutions of people suspected to be guilty of political wrongthink. It’s absolutely essential that political conflicts in a so-called democracy are resolved through the democratic procedures supposed to be utilized for that.

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Mark T
Mark T
2 years ago
Reply to  RW

Disagree – there should be no law that legally forces two parties to engage. That is a violation of property rights and an individual’s (including a corporation’s) right to choose.

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RW
RW
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

Property rights are a fiction created by the state. In feudal times, one of the essential preconditions for property rights to be recognized was the ability of the person a property was assigned to defend it against people trying to take it (or plunder it) by force. So, please spare me the The state must only ever enforce what’s convenient for me! hymn in disguise.

Refusing to provide a generally available service in exchange for money is nothing but a form of passively aggressive violence whose effectiveness depends on the power the entity (or rather, person acting on behalf of an entity) engaging in this conduct happens to have. There’s no reason why this should be more legal than any other privately employed violent method of settling political disputes.

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TJN
TJN
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

But there are already laws which say the likes of PayPal, or any business, can’t discriminate against customers because they are black, let alone refuse them service.

And rightly so.

Exactly the same principle for political beliefs.

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RW
RW
2 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Mark T is very likely opposed to these as well as he very likely believes in a political theory which states that the state mustn’t do anything save enforcing (my, ie, the ones of the people adhering to this theory) property rights. The ultimate idol here is very likely also gratis enforcement of these property rights, ie, paid for by other people’s taxes. This is presumably supposed to be achieved by abolishing direct taxation altogether and exclusively relying on indirect taxes (like VAT) which disproportionally affect poorer people[*]. That’s so transparently nothing but self-serving greed that it’s best described with a German proverb called the St. Florian principe:

Heiliger Sankt Florian, verschon’ mein Haus, zünd andre an!
[Most holy St Florian, please set my neighbour’s house on fire and not mine!]

That’s the quintessential ethic (or lack thereof) of the honourless, property-owning bourgoise which begat Marxism (and financed the expansion of pro forma Marxists dictatorships over about half of the world if it could only unquestioningly dominate the other half).

[*] Someone who has no property of any sorts because he’s forced to consume all of his income to maintain himself would have 100% of his income taxed, while only a fraction of the income of someone with property would be affected by taxation.

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Hugh
Hugh
2 years ago

Doing my bit to “promote hate, violence and racial intolerance”, can I just say that it would be wrong to allow someone like Mike Tyson into women’s boxing, however he might identify? Might as well get hung for a sheep…
Seriously, these muppets closing the FSU account is the free speech equivalent of the people who tried to shut down Professor Carl Heneghan over lockdowns.

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Mark T
Mark T
2 years ago

Paypal’s actions are outrageous. But as a private company, they have every right to decide with whom they wish to do business (just like each of us has the right to choose the companies with which to do business). As long as it is mutually agreeable, then business is done. But if either side does not wish to engage (even if the reasons are moronic), then it is wrong for either to be legally forced to do so.

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Hugh
Hugh
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

Hey, maybe North West Water can do the same then? But perhaps people who provide certain services should have some obligations too. It happens enough in other areas. No mercy for those Catholic adoption agencies, I seem to remember. But I suppose they were only some Christian group…

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

“But as a private company, they have every right to decide with whom they wish to do business (just like each of us has the right to choose the companies with which to do business).”

However, Toby, the FSU and DS were known entities when PayPal accepted them as clients initially, therefore to terminate the contract subsequently and without legitimate reasons is in my opinion a breach of contract.

I would further argue that withholding client funds on spurious grounds as PayPal are doing with Toby’s money also constitutes breach of contract if not outright theft.

This is not a minor, parochial issue but a matter of national importance and should be recognised as such. If our government fails to intervene we will know on whose side they stand.

I repeat – A Matter of National Importance, that will affect every person in the UK.

It is that serious.

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Lancer
Lancer
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

You said it there yes – a breach of contract. In my mind it’s PP that has breached their agreement with FSU (and others), all predicated and hinging on these spurious ‘terms of service’ that in all honesty I’m amazed how anything so vague would pass scrutiny in a court proceeding (and which these ToS constantly get updated at their whim – AFTER contracts have been signed for existing account holders). Fact is though it wasn’t the social media giants or these internet payment services that concocted these get-out-of-jail-free cards, they’ve simply found an excuse to use them for their own agenda. As we know it was our own governments when declaring such things as “hate speech”, or “harmful content” (perhaps soon to be added – “legal but harmful”) which have yet to be remotely defined satisfactorily that has sent us sliding down toward the proverbial cliff. That’s where our fight should really be focused (and will be without question with the imminent Online Safety Bill – amongst other dictatorial legislation in the making).

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exbrit
exbrit
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

This “they’re a private business” argument is nonsense. Big tech firms have in many cases become the default means of online engagement. In PayPal’s case, they are pretty much the default payment platform, just like Google is the default for search. The monopolistic position of these companies has been fostered by them providing a good product but also by aggressive tactics to consolidate market share, lobby their way around consumer protections and proper taxation of their income. It’s perfectly reasonable to treat such entities differently than a coffee shop that might refuse my business, for example.

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Lancer
Lancer
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

I think it’s a fair argument what Mark T has cited. I don’t really have an opinion either way, or rather I’m torn between deciding on what rights a corporation should have themselves, balanced with what rights of the consumer’s should be respected – no matter what we might think of a particular corporation’s philosophy.

The real problem being is all these internet services are acting like a cartel (since they’ve now an essential monopoly) with a clear and obvious political agenda each time they’re arbitrarily deciding from on high, what’s permitted or not. This is where they’re acting outside of common decency and consumer practice – something you would have thought Trading Standards (if they had some balls) should step in and defend the consumer – with this apparent evidence of their using these ‘terms of service’ as an out for anything they disagree with. This is clearly what they’re doing with such vague terms of service, which can potentially apply to anything they want at the time, but I suspect it would be quite difficult to prove intentional malpractice. (maybe for shareholders? They’re surely taking a financial hit each time they’re purposefully reducing consumers. If I was an investor I’d want to know why beyond any accusation of supposed ‘mean words’).

Of course any of these supposed breaches are unacceptable in a free society unless actual laws are broken – and going by pretty much all known cancellations it never seems to be in response to any breaking of laws, only their interpretation of a users actions or misinterpretation of words as “hateful” or [insert appropriate buzzword]. We still don’t really know WHY people are being cancelled do we – I mean officially. WE know why but what’s their legitimate excuse?

Granted it’s becoming harder and harder to find alternatives these days, especially as new competition is suitably bought out or cancelled themselves by the cartel, invariably as a consequence of their own collective agenda (again where’s Trading Standards or Antitrust Commissions when you really need them? A la Microsoft?) or bowing from the onslaught of the mob, but… I guess as has been said.. we do have but one choice by voting with our custom. Let’s shop elsewhere. Granted profits seem secondary to their desire for power & control but money does still talk.

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RW
RW
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

… and if every grocery store owner in town is member of an anti-abolutionist party, then, black people will unfortunately starve. Denarius vult!

That’s – of course – only the (quite moronic) theory and the real-world practice is race riots but we don’t want these exported to the rest of the word — thanks, but no thanks.

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RW
RW
2 years ago
Reply to  RW

^ anti-abolitionist

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Mark T
Mark T
2 years ago

As an answer to many replies to my comment below: I completely disagree with what Paypal has done. However, I also completely disagree with any action that calls for legally forcing businesses or individuals to transact with each other. This is anathema to the rights of private propery and – by extension (and ironically) – Free Speech. I don’t need a lecture about how big tech is being influenced by government because I am well aware of that. But the answer is NOT to “demand” laws that REMOVE freedom of action and the right to free association. Shout from every rooftop how sinister government’s influence over big tech is (as well as big tech’s complicity) but it is immoral to legally require by the use of force individuals and businesses to engage with each other. It is the OPPOSITE of defending freedom and Free Speech.

(Let’s not forget, this website has this in its comments section: “Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.” I completely agree with it because The Daily Sceptic has the right to determine what it will or will not allow on its private propert business.)

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TJN
TJN
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

Ok, I acknowledge and even in part sympathise with you precept that no one should be be forced to do business with someone they don’t want to.

But two points here.

First. In such a system it is paramount that monopoly businesses are not allowed to emerge, and that there is true competition, lots of it, and plenty of consumer choice. Clearly, we are very far from that with the likes of PayPal.

Second. Individuals have rights too, and these should be – and clearly need to be – protected in law. How can it be right that individuals can be denied services allowed the rest of society – based on, for example, their race, sex, political opinions, football team, favourite band, obesity level, hair colour … – on the whim of whom they wish to do business with? What sort of a society would that be? An absolute nightmare I’ll wager – and one which if necessary there needs to be legal redress against.

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Mark T
Mark T
2 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Firstly, an open market free from government coercion (ie actual Capitalism instead of crony / mixed premise but with strict laws about fraud and banning the use of force) wouldn’t tolerate a monopoly because of innovation and the profit motive. Indeed, the only monopolies that exist today (and have throughout history) are in place solely because of government force (ie banning others from competing / protecting certain industries). If a company was so good that others had no incentive to compete, then that’s great for consumers. To date, that’s never happened (certainly for no lengthy period of time but may happen very briefly in the event of new technology). So the risk you state is theoretical only and virtually 0. None of the giants of tech have monopolies. They have great market share but there are plenty of alternatives – most are just too lazy to use them.

Second, freedom of association and property rights (including Free Speech) are sacrosanct. Forcibly taking that away is immoral. Although it is certainly fair to say that race (in particular as an example) was a massive, massive problem in the past, that is NOT the case today (on any large scale in most of the developed world). Given the scrutiny, outrage and loss of repuation that an individual or business faces if seen to discriminate against certain people / characteristics, what makes you think that business on a large scale could survive today with such an attitude?

EVERYONE (including businesses) should be free to associate or not associate as they see fit. To demand otherwise is to introduce brute force as the arbitrer of deciding who must associate with whom. And that is wrong.

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TJN
TJN
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

But an organisation like PayPal requires a critical mass, and the first outfit to gain that critical mass likely becomes a monopoly? Which can then abuse its position when it wants to, as PayPal are doing now? A fair point about people in general being too lazy to seek alternatives.

Race was a big problem in the past; but isn’t the lesson here that it required legal force to fix it? Human nature doesn’t change, much, and the abusive practices of the past can easily evolve into something else – witness the treatment of the unstabbed, only a matter of weeks ago.

But you make a valid point about the undesirability of legal force being used to determine who deals with whom.

I don’t know what the answer is. Only to say that in life solutions are usually not black and white, but require some form of compromise. Maybe freedom of association could apply to individuals, but public companies are dealt with differently? But doubtless that would become messy, and in itself would entail many ethical problems.

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JXB
JXB
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark T

The issue has nothing to do with economic transactions. The issue is wholly one of an entity being in a position to persecute others on political/ideological grounds, by making it impossible to conduct their affairs.

And it is particularly dangerous when it is enabled, encouraged, supported by Governments which leads to a cartel of entities who together can ruin the lives of others and/or make it impossible for them to go about their lawful activities

Recall: Galileo was ‘cancelled’ by the Catholic Church because he was spreading ‘misinformation/disinformation’ not in accordance with ‘the truth’ as told by the Church, making it impossible for him to work, engage socially, or obtain the necessities for day to day living. He of course recanted just so he could have a life.

And here we are again.

Government is supposed to serve the Body Politic and if ‘We The People’ say we want laws to stop the likes of PayPal because we recognise the dangers, that’s what should happen.

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Covid-1984
Covid-1984
2 years ago

Paypal, Disney, CNN, Halifax. Netflix; et al -Those boardroom doors with soon be knocked loudly by the men in the grey suits (shareholders) and heads will roll. Dividend return is king.

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Human Resource 19510203
Human Resource 19510203
2 years ago

If PayPal wishes to behave like this it doesn’t operate in this country. Simples.

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Trabant
Trabant
2 years ago

I haven’t commented on here for a while but this happening truly sparked my ire so I have just cancelled my ( 20 year + ) PayPal account and sent them this message :

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Alvedans
Alvedans
2 years ago

I gave Paypal 48 hrs to rectify the situation – no change so my account is now closed.
I gave them a warning and a reason, which is more than they did for Toby or Molly….

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RTSC
RTSC
2 years ago

I emailed Paypal on Wednesday, objecting to their policy of censorship. I got no response, so yesterday I closed my account.

I’m not supporting a company which behaves like the Witchfinder General.

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Scunnered
Scunnered
2 years ago

I use my PayPal account EVERY DAY. Got a couple of refunds due in October after which my PayPal account will be closed. In the meantime I’ve spent the last few days making note of who I need to set up on DD and won’t be using PayPal at all. Problem is, vast majority of people won’t know/care that this has happened. Will be interesting to get some stats on account closures.

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Alvedans
Alvedans
2 years ago

What non-woke alternatives are there for banking? Will they stay non-woke?

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Crouchback
Crouchback
2 years ago

I’ve been trying to start a monthly donation using my HSBC debit card. I’m not getting an OTP, so it is not being authorised. Bit of a coincidence, no?

2
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Kornea112
Kornea112
2 years ago

Maybe Elon could buy back PayPal and get rid of all the left wing extremists. The day of recogning is fast approaching. The pendulum is returning.

0
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jsampson45
jsampson45
2 years ago

I have closed my Paypal account, mentioning that I have done so as they contravene my acceptable traders policy.

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SomersetHoops
SomersetHoops
2 years ago

I’ve had issues with Paypal and wouldn’t touch them with a bargepole. If you read their conditions you would understand they control your money and if you accept payment by their system it is up to them whether you can receive your money. I have found I don’t need them and I would recommend that nobody does so don’t use them.

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Simon MacPhisto
Simon MacPhisto
2 years ago

PayPal account cancelled and complaint submitted. Probably futile but need to do something.

2
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JXB
JXB
2 years ago

i have posted this lower down, but worth repeating for anyone having problems closing their PayPal account and being met with ‘can’t be closed because of pending transaction’.

I had this problem which I traced to a Direct Debit mandate with my bank. Even though all transaction were cleared, recurring subs cancelled the active DD prevented account closure.

I cancelled the DD mandate with my bank, and immediately afterwards I was able to close the PP account.

In fact I didn’t realise there was a DD, but apparently one is automatically set up when you link a bank account with PP.

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Michael Staples
Michael Staples
2 years ago

I had difficulty unsubscribing from PayPal’s e-mails. The system just goes round in circles. I will never pay anything or anybody through their system again.

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