Imagine the joy of three million people in Hong Kong when, this weekend, they received their “United we Fight the Virus” kits. It is not clear why the remaining four million were deprived of these kits but, given that I know a leading nursing academic and his family who received theirs it may be that the remaining population are considered dispensable. The kits contain COVID-19 rapid tests and KN95 masks and two packs of a traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) called Lianhua Qingwen Jiaonang (LQJ) which will, allegedly, “clear scourge, remove toxin, diffuse the lung and discharge heat”. Apart from the fact that the Legislative Council of Hong Kong has not bothered to ask a native English speaker to check the above description of the purported action of LQJ, it appears that it has also not consulted anyone with any knowledge of medicine – real medicine – what any of that means.
“Clear scourge” is simply Chinglish gobbledegook; “diffuse the lung” is biologically meaningless and “discharge heat” defies the laws of thermodynamics. Whether or not LQJ is capable of the claim that it will “remove toxin” is another matter. But, notwithstanding that if something is “removed” it must go somewhere which is not specified, at least this is testable. In terms of “removal”, in conventional medical terms this means metabolic removal by “first pass” metabolic breakdown in the liver, commonly engaging the services of a liver microsome enzyme known as cytochrome P450. Otherwise, toxins are removed by the kidneys and excreted in the urine. How LQJ is involved in that process is unknown.
Lest the Hong Kong recipients of the Covid kits are in any doubt about when to use their supply of LQJ, they are advised that the indications are that it can be used for: “Patterns of heat toxin assailing the lung, manifested as fever, aversion to cold, muscle soreness, stuffy and runny nose, cough, headache, dry and sore throat, reddish tongue, and yellow or yellow and greasy tongue coating.” All they needed to add was ‘feeling a bit iffy’ and ‘having the sniffles’ and they would have had a full set of vague symptoms that would turn even the most resilient person towards the medicine cupboard.
But what about the testable claim that LQJ can “remove toxin”? One systematic review and meta-analysis which supports the anti-toxin action of LQJ was published in PLOS One by authors from mainland China, notably including only studies from mainland China. It concludes that: “The treatment of new pneumonia with traditional Chinese medicine lotus clearing plague can be used as an effective therapy to improve the clinical symptoms of new coronary pneumonia.” A promising conclusion, albeit couched in poorly edited Chinglish, and it should be noted that the “coronary” pneumonia means ‘coronavirus pneumonia’ as this was a review of studies on COVID-19.
As with many such reviews, the claims of efficacy in the abstract are not supported when the article is read in depth. Even within the abstract, the results section states: “A total of two articles were identified, including 154 patients.” It should be noted that two articles is the absolute minimum number for a meta-analysis according to the Cochrane Collaboration, which, essentially, sets the gold standard methodology for systematic review and meta-analysis. Thus, the minimum criteria were achieved but a deeper dive into the studies reveals a fatal flaw in both studies included. While the assessors of the outcomes of the included studies were blinded to whether the participants were in the treatment or control groups, as shown in Table 2 of the PLOS One article, the trial personnel and, crucially, the participants were not blinded. Therefore, randomised these trials these may have been but double-blinded – which is the gold standard for testing medications – they were not. Knowing whether or not you are receiving a treatment is important as the placebo effect comes into play, especially where a range of subjective symptoms is being assessed.
In terms of the outcome of treatment of people purportedly infected with COVID-19, a primary outcome was not specified for the studies included in the review as would be required, for example, by PROSPERO. This is to prevent what is referred to as ‘fishing’ for significant results amongst secondary outcomes.
The PLOS One article presents analyses in forest plots of a range of vague symptoms such as “fever”, “cough”, “fatigue” and “chest tightness”, all of which are subjective and none of which, even in constellation, are cardinal signs of COVID-19. None of the outcomes was the presence of the COVID-19 virus by, for example, a lateral flow test. Finally, the article includes funnel plots which are designed to detect publication bias – the phenomenon of burying studies which do not support the effect of the treatment, also referred to as the “bottom drawer phenomenon“. On this point, the Cochrane Collaboration is unambiguous in its handbook that the minimum number of studies required for a meaningful funnel plot is ten. Thus, the funnel plots in the PLOS One study are entirely meaningless.
It is surely relevant to note that the authors of the study reported in PLOS One were from mainland China and that the studies included in the meta-analysis, regardless of the poor methodology in both studies included and in the meta-analysis itself, were both published by Chinese authors. It is not possible to ascertain the quality of the journals where the studies are reported as, remarkably, they are not listed in the reference list. It is also relevant to note that TCM is officially pushed as policy by the Chinese Government, despite the general lack of evidence for efficacy. However, the Chinese Government has that angle covered as it has a law that prevents criticism of TCM. The Chief Executive of Hong Kong, Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor, a Chinese Government approved appointee, also said: “The Government was open to the idea of giving part of its stockpile of oral antivirals to private clinics, which would join private hospitals in distributing the pills to infected residents.” The ‘antivirals’ (not demonstrated to have any such action) to which she refers are the traditional Chinese medicine LQJ. In the letter accompanying the Hong Kong Covid kit, in a typical act of Hong Kong Legislative Council arslikan, the Anti-Epidemic Team Hong Kong SAR says: “Thanks to the tremendous efforts of the Central Government in co-ordinating the procurement, production and transportation aspects, the SAR Government is able to timely purchase various medical supplies…”
It is worth noting that the TCM product LQJ included in the Hong Kong Covid pack is manufactured by Shijiazhuang Yiling Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd, which is located at 238 Tianshan Street High-Tech Zone Shijiazhuang, 050000 China. I can’t help thinking that Shijiazhuang Yiling Pharmaceutical Co. and the Chinese Government are cashing in on a rare opportunity via its puppet regime in the Special Administrative Region.
Here’s the letter in full from the Hong Kong SAR Government:

Dr. Roger Watson is Academic Dean of Nursing at Southwest Medical University, China. He has a PhD in biochemistry.
This article has been updated.


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As a practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine in the UK I’ve helped many people, with a combination of acupuncture and Chinese herbs, to recover from
covid and long covid. Chinese herbal formulae are incredibly effective especially when tailored to an individual. The terminology they use in this article are standard terminologies in my field. Traditional Chinese Medicine has a different treatment paradigm to western medicine and I have found it to be highly effective. If you would like to genuinely discuss the pros and cons I’d be more than happy to. If however you just wish to slate the oldest documented form of medicine on the planet then go for it. Hope everyone stays well out there.
If it is omicron it is a cold. Why not give everyone a covid kit with ivermectin, an antibiotic etc like those available in the smart countries. All hands on deck. The Chinese machine cannot afford people locked down.
Who paid for this smear job?
Herbal remedies beat Western novel experimental gene altering remedies hands down. This Roger Watson is part of the problem.
About as effective as these vaccines, I would say.
No – that’s a misunderstanding.The antivirals she refers to there are Paxlovid and molnupiravir, which are alread being used in the public health system.
And on the question of LQJ, it is clearly not being “sold” as a “cure” for Covid, it is essentially seen as a symptom reliever for the 99% of people whose infections are mild, along the same lines as paracetemol.
(I write as a 20+ year HK resident following the local news closely)
It’ll work as well as the vaccines, and has the advantage that it won’t actually kill anyone.
High rate of BA.1, BA.1.1 and BA.2 in triple vaccinated
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.02.22273333v1
effective? Not.
Does homeopathy work?
I believe that, prior to Rockefeller, homeopaths greatly outnumbered allopaths. At least in the US.
Only if you self-identify as a homeopath, and are friendly with Rex-in-Waiting Chas.
The conventional medicine forces are trying their best to ban it for the last 100 years. So similar to banning ivermectin for covid
Government / NHS expands list of Covid symptoms to add NINE new signs of illness.
Body aches, a runny nose and diarrhoea are among the nine new signs of Covid that have been added to the symptom list.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/nhs-expands-list-of-covid-symptoms-to-add-nine-new-signs-of-illness/ar-AAVPyM7
once the jab knocks out your immune system you’ll be affected by every bug going which leads to all sorts of symptoms.
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Rees Mogg now says the lockdown rules were inhumane
My memory is not that good but I don’t remember Mr Mogg saying so at the time
In fact if I recall correctly Mr Mogg was a member of the Cabinet that imposed detention without trial (amongst other outrages) on the people
Never mind he says, the mass murder in the care homes and forced medical experiments are not that important now
Rees-Mogg loves lying about what he said. After he suggested that the government should prorogue Parliament, he later said it wasn’t him.
The rulers haven’t put him front of stage at any time since he disgraced himself in March 2020 by superciliously reciting “Coughs and sneezes spread diseases – keep it in your handkerchief” and then declaring (probably wittily to his own mind) that we should sing “God save the queen” while washing our hands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f727NW9KeuA
I am quite surprised that there is a rumour abroad that Rees-Mogg might be the next finance minister (“chancellor of the exchequer”), but…it’s possible. My feeling is that if he doesn’t pull out of politics gracefully, one day he’ll fall out so hard he won’t know what hit him.
He couldn’t get a first at Oxford even though his pater had been editor of the Times.
I’ve heard he is personally courageous, but nonetheless he seems to be mostly a one-trick pony where his persona is concerned.
The one trick being ‘I went to Eton’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3TT1VE8Jq0
Of course. We really should all move on. Are you interested in unusual squirrels?
Question no one seems to be answering: should we medicate mere explosive symptoms ? Wouldn’t our bodies know best ?
That should be *expulsive* symptoms.
Come come. If our bodies knew best, how would anyone make a living – and/or a fortune – out of pumping unnatural substances into them?
Okay, you got me on that one.
Im wondering if that text isn’t plagiarised from the Pfizer vaccine study?
Hong Kong is lost to China – we need to move on and look at what out own Government has been doing to us for two years!
Have you heard what’s happening in Pakistan, Parliament has been dissolved and they’re accusing the US of attempting regime change. Well they’ve only been doing it around fifty times in the past and often done covertly.
I understand that Imran Khan has not been toe-ing the line on matters related to Russia: over-stepping, in fact.
He’s a naughty boy. He is not following the west ‘rules based’ orders. Putting his country’s interests above the interests of The West is definitely a big no-no.
I’ve tried TCM. If you have a cold or flu and don’t take anything, the cold lasts 7 days. If you take TCM it lasts a week.
BUT, the same is true of western medicine.
OTC western medicine claims to alleviate cold and flu symptoms but quite frankly do a pretty rubbish job on the whole.
Western pharma, eastern pharma, take your pick. Personally I find it hilarious that western doctors think eastern medicine is a scam.
Case in point phenylephrine, the decongestant that you find on the shelves included in Lemsip and off-the-shelf brands of Sudafed. It is useless as a decongestant, showing no benefit in trials.
Phenylephrine replaced pseudoephedrine, a proven decongestant that they took off shelves because people were making crystal meth with it. You can now only get pseudoephedrine behind the pharmacist’s counter.
So they replaced a working drug with a placebo (except that it has common side-effects). But if you have done your research, you can still get the working drug. That’s Western medicine summed up for you.
BTW, if you ever need a working decongestant, ask the pharmacist for “Sudafed decongestant” the only product in their brand that uses the non-placebo drug.
Those Lemsips have Caffeine in to help give you a lift. There was me taking them to bed!
Seven days is extremely long for a cold.
If you can have ‘Long Covid’ you are entirely entitled to have a ‘Long Cold’.
I think Roger has made the mental decision to leave Southwest Medical Universtity, and is intrigued at the prospect of being blacklisted.
Being picky, in traditional chinese medicine, the term translated as “heat” does not necessarily mean “heat” as in “temperature”. Not that I’m suggesting the remedy works, but it would be nice to be accurate.
“Heat” is understood in many different ways in TCM. “Weak heat” or “false heat” refers to inflammatory conditions.
About as effective as putting a rag over your nose like we do in the enlightened West.
It has an impressive list of herbal and floral ingredients, and is, at least, without those irritating messages on the packet, like “may contain
nutspangolin”.It would be interesting to see some empirical evidence that it does anything it claims to do, but the constituents look to be pretty harmless, compared to Pfizer’s “scientific” jollops.
Presumably facebook, youtube and twitter won’t remove this on the grounds that it is ‘ethnic’ medicine and hence free from censorship?
This in no essential way differs from the quack pseudoscience of lockdown.
If it is genuinely traditional then it does.
It seems it more effective than oseltamivir: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29071849/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25654135/
What’s this ‘Covid’ that certain remedies are ineffective for it ?
I’m sure Lianhua Qingwen Jiaonang is no less effective than the snake oil being dispensed by Pfizer and probably a lot safer than remdesivir.
Chinese traditional medicine snake-oil or Pfizer snake-oil. I’m not sure there is much difference in terms of benefits, but at least the Chinese medicine snake-oil has had thousands of years of testing against long term effects.
Ah but the Austro-Hungarian Empire
western “evidence”forever! 🙂In the overall fight between fly-by-night “western science” (thanks, Trinity College; thanks, DuPont) and Chinese traditional medicine, my money is definitely on Chinese traditional medicine.
Also – a good text can be cr*ppily translated.
I take it you are not “from” that part of the world yourself, then, Roger?
It sounds as though you’re saying that people with slitty eyes who come from the mainland tend to help each other out in defence of weak assertions, and therefore they can’t be trusted unless they’ve checked in with whitey, had him check an English translation of what they want to publish, and got him to greenlight it.
By traditional medicine, you mean mediaeval superstition, another policy the west imported from a Communist dictatorship that has concentration camps.
A literate person would conclude that a superstitious belief in absurdities paves the way for communism and lockdown, but I repeat myself.
“Western countries including Canada, France and Germany called on China on Tuesday to close down detention camps, which activists say hold 1 million Uighurs and other Muslims.”
“Canada’s envoy Rosemary McCarney said Ottawa was “deeply concerned by credible reports of mass detention, repression and surveillance of Uighurs and other Muslims in Xinjiang.”
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/west-calls-on-china-to-close-uighur-detention-camps-3465550
“Sweden called on Western countries including Australia, USA, Canada, France and Germany on Tuesday to close down home detention , which activists say hold 1 million Unvaccinated and other mandated treatment dodgers.”
“Sweden envoy Hurdy Mckwarnery said Stockholm was “deeply concerned by credible reports of mass detention, repression and surveillance of the unvaccinated.”
I have noticed a distinct lack out vocal outrage on the part of the Islamic world in response to this.
Uighers were shipped by the CIA to Syria to train as ‘carefully vetted moderate head-choppers’ aka ISIS, in preparation for them being unleashed on mainland China. Great numbers were taken out by Russia, Iran and Hezbollah.
Let’s look at the evidence for your claim.
Oh wait, there isn’t any.
Russia is a huge backer of Islam, Iran and Hezbollah embody Islam.
Have you had any experiences of ‘Chinese traditional medicine’?
Have you ever been treated by doctors in the UK who use ‘western medicine’?
It would be interesting to look in your medicine cabinet.
Who needs the NHS when you can pop into Holland & Barrett, eh?
Interesting post, Roger-from-another-assembly line.
While you’re laughing at the Chinglish in the claims, how about you hand-translate your post to Chinese (simplified will be fine)?
Quite.
Unusual to get such a bad-faith representation on this website.
Translations aside, TCM has many flaws RW, some grossly negative, but for the past 249,900 years humans have all used its derivatives.
There are plenty of English-speaking/writing people of intelligence that the Chinese could ask to check the absolute cobblers they come out with.
There is no need for the nonsensical ‘Chinglish’.
Many Finns in Finland do the same – they think they are so clever and can translate Finnish into English (or vice versa) – but they can’t. Get an English-speaking person (like me!) to check it over if you value accuracy. (Some things can’t be translated perfectly, I know that).
There are enough spelling mistakes from posters on this site – for example (look above) it’s Pfizer not ‘pfiser’. I know getting the meaning through is more important than spelling/correct grammar, but some effort is required if you want to make academic arguments and observations.
True, although most English used on Chinese products in China is mainly decorative, or to give the impression that the product is made overseas or export-grade.
About as effective but less dangerous than the experimental jabs.
How did SAGE and Boris miss this wonder drug?
Had they known, they could have splurged £millions on it, and it would have been at least as effective as the mRNA snake-oil they bought in.
doing nothing is more effective than jabbing with something that has negative effectiveness.