Outrage. That seems to be the emotion driving current policy towards Russia, replacing in a moment the Fear that had dominated Covid policymaking in the past two years. And rightly so, you might say. Putin has just invaded a sovereign nation for no other reason (if he is to be believed) than to take territory off it and impose an unwanted political neutrality upon it. But while outrage is an understandable emotional response, a justified one even, it is not a sound way to approach grave questions of war, peace and national security.
Our leaders ramp up the sanctions, doing severe harm to our own economies already reeling after two years of extreme responses to the pandemic. The cost of energy keeps on going higher and that’s before Putin has followed through on his threat (let’s assume he doesn’t make idle ones) to cut off the gas. This is despite the fact that the West is not at war with Russia, nor is Russia even at war with a Western ally. Why are we imposing such high costs on ourselves to rally to the defence of a country that we hadn’t troubled ourselves formally to ally with? The answer, it seems, is outrage. The costs we are imposing on ourselves will far exceed the costs of other recent conflicts, certainly in terms of broad social and economic impact, creating severe cost-of-living problems for large parts of society. Which might be fine if we were at war, but we are not. Let’s not forget that the reason we hadn’t allied ourselves with Ukraine is precisely because we didn’t want to get involved in a war with Russia. Have we abandoned that important geopolitical goal?
If media sources are to be believed, the Russian incursion has not gone as well as the invaders had hoped and they have suffered significant losses. Nonetheless, there can be little doubt that the Russian armed forces are laying waste to large parts of the country, killing many people and doing damage the low income nation can scarcely afford and which will take years to repair.
The Russians have now reiterated their war aims, which are the terms on which they say they would end the invasion. They should surprise no one who has been paying attention to what they have been saying since the start. The Russians want Ukraine to recognise Russian control of Crimea and the independence of the eastern pro-Russia regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, plus (perhaps most importantly) a constitutional change which commits Ukraine to be neutral and not join the EU or NATO. They have said they recognise that Ukraine is an independent state and appear to have dropped the aim to “de-Nazify” the country.
The response to these demands so far seems to be that they are unacceptable, and Ukraine must be free to make alliances as it sees fit. This means that Russia will continue to wage its war, continue to inflict substantial damage on the country and its people, and Western economies will continue to suffer, alongside Russia’s, as the war continues.
Russia isn’t (it says) trying to take control of the country (it’s not clear that it could) or impose a pro-Russia puppet Government. It isn’t even trying to take direct control of more Ukrainian territory than it already has. It just says it wants a formal constitutional commitment that Ukraine will remain a neutral border state not allied with its de facto ‘enemies’, and recognition of the independence of two eastern regions and its earlier annexation of Crimea.
This hardly seems an unreasonable price for peace – peace that is obviously to everyone’s benefit. The problem is that Western leaders seem to have become committed to the idea that Putin must be seen to fail completely in his illegal war. Given that we are not actually involved in this war, at least in the traditional, military sense, this is a very tricky aim to have, as it implies that despite not fighting the war we are committed psychologically and politically to Putin losing. If that really is our aim, then really we should enter the war properly and actually do what is necessary to bring it about. But we are not willing to do that, because we know that a direct conflict with Russia could get very nasty for us indeed. So instead we expect Ukraine to fight Russia alone, despite being vastly outnumbered, while we supply arms and sanction and boycott Russia to try to bring its economy to its knees.
A significant problem, however, is that many of the sanctions and boycotts appear to be doing at least as much damage to the West as they are to Russia, whose economy is largely insulated from Western action (though perhaps not as much as Putin had hoped).
Since we are inflicting so much harm on our own economies for the sake of a country that is not formally an ally, one question is what will we have left to defend ourselves and our allies should we be attacked?
Outrage appears to forbid this kind of question – fortified by a sense that Putin must not get away with it. His aggression must not be rewarded. I share these sentiments, of course. But they are in the end sentiments, not hard-headed considerations of national security or what is most likely to achieve and maintain peace.
Some have argued that Putin must be stopped now or he will only keep going. But in fact, his ambitions in Ukraine appear to be relatively modest, restricting himself largely to insisting on it being a neutral neighbour. Maybe we don’t believe him, but then if that was how we felt we should have included countries like Ukraine in NATO years ago. There is no indication that Putin will risk attacking a NATO country; he isn’t even (he says) trying to take direct control of more Ukrainian territory or install a puppet government.
The West is powerful but it is not almighty. Defeats in Afghanistan, Syria, Vietnam and elsewhere over the years have taught us that. We cannot fight every battle, vanquish every aggressor, topple every dictator, avenge every abuse. Just as we need to restore a proper sense of proportion in public health policy that was lost sight of over the last two years – we can’t prevent every infection and death – so also we need to maintain a proper sense of what our foreign policy can and cannot achieve, and how much we can afford.
Putin has set out his terms. I’m sure he is keen to withdraw from a war that is costing him considerably, but equally he will not want to go back without what he set out to achieve. Can Ukraine and we in the West swallow our outrage and accept his terms? They leave Ukraine largely intact as an independent country, albeit one unable to make alliances with Russia’s geopolitical competitors (or indeed with Russia). The alternative is that Russia continues its devastation of the country while Ukraine hopes to inflict enough losses in the process that Russia eventually gives up; meanwhile, the West continues its self-destructive sanctions in the hope they add to the pressure on Russia to throw in the towel. It’s a very costly and high risk strategy, particularly given Putin has a considerable military, some highly destructive weapons being held in reserve and a strong incentive not to end in failure. The question is, is Ukraine’s future membership of the EU and NATO really worth all this death and destruction in the country, and all this pain for Western economies? It’s hard to see why the West deems this such an important geopolitical goal that it warrants paying such a high price economically. Even for Ukraine, under Russia’s terms the country would retain its independent government and almost all its territory – this wouldn’t seem an existential matter. Is it worth paying such a high price to avoid? Are priorities and costs being properly weighed by Ukraine and the West, or is the response being largely driven by emotion?
The only argument I can see that would potentially justify the response is if it is seen as a precedent that must not be allowed to stand. But since Ukraine is not part of NATO, and there was never any pledge of military support (and none has been given), what precedent is this supposed to be? That major powers will take action if their security concerns are not respected by neighbouring countries? It seems a strange precedent to go to war over, particularly as America (for instance) would expect nothing less for itself. We don’t have to agree that Putin is ‘entitled’ to do this in some ‘moral’ sense, just to recognise that he has the military power to insist on it (like America does), and accept it as a cold reality of Great Power politics that we don’t like but is more trouble than it’s worth to change. The idea that Putin is plotting a general imperial project has no basis – he’s not even trying to take direct control of Donetsk and Luhansk, two pro-Russian regions on his border, let alone the whole of Ukraine or any other country. He will be acutely aware of the cost of military action and any attempt to subdue an unwilling country.
It seems to me the response of Ukraine and the West is being driven primarily by outrage – wholly understandable outrage that I share. But outrage is no basis for cool-headed policymaking, and even less is it a formula for maintaining or restoring peace in international affairs. That requires much harder-headed thinking about what’s actually going on in the geopolitical interests of countries, and how mutually destructive situations can best be resolved with the least amount of harm, particularly to the non-aggressors.


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What has happened to the concept of leaving an aggressor with an escape route?
It is clear that if Putin withdrew he would still face sanctions, and all border countries would be given membership of NATO, placing strategic weapons on the Russian border.
Will Jones suggests a solution that would allow Putin to step back from World War; NATO members appear to want escallation.
‘… to take territory off it and impose an unwanted political neutrality upon it.’
And if that produces a lasting regional peace in a territory where there has been a background civil war since 2014 which most probably will erupt into a wider conflict, isn’t that a good aim?
Isn’t it what the virtuous West has been doing since WWII with rather disappointing and mostly contrary results?
It’s fine this guy has our backs. This may not be genuine but lots of other things we have been told were untrue have turned out to be accurate. If nothing else the presenter is entertaining and its only a minute and a half. https://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2022/03/nathaniel-rothschild-warns-british-government-the-new-world-order-is-dead-if-putin-wins-in-ukraine-rothschild-warns-british-government-they-must-not-lose-ukraine-3257569.html
Question: why does MSM think that an average Joe is this stupid? An average Joe with only half a brain by watching previous BBC programs for a couple of hours can at least understand that Putin (in the case of Ukraine at least) is not just a deranged psychopath wanting to indiscriminately bomb Ukrainian citizens and nuclear plants. The points he made before the start are not his pure fantasy. Nazi, militarized by the west/NATO do exist, people in the eastern part of the country have been suffering for a long time from Ukrainian bombardments. US has been preparing to fight Russia by the hands of Ukrainian solders for quite some time now. US/west facilitated a revolution toppling legitimate president. Whether above necessitates invasion depends on which side you are on. There is confirmed evidence that Ukrainian citizens were running away to Russia from Donbass bombardments during all these years. It probably means that even in Ukraine some people may side with Russia w/o mentioning support of considerable part of Russian society (at least relatives of those who have been suffering from bombarded in Donbass all these years).
Western propaganda has just burnt all bridges and made a dialog impossible… Read more »
Ukraine is Russia’s Cuba.
Brilliant piece of journalism. The West seems to have lost its ability to think, responding to everything from the climate to racism to viruses to war with only emotion.
Not just the West. Putin’s pseudo-historical justification for his invasion of Ukraine is based purely on an emotional nostalgia for the Good Old Days of the USSR and/or the empire of the Czars.
Hmmm – a whole article with only one brief, oblique reference to the horrendous war crimes being perpetrated by the Russians. Policy isn’t being driven by outrage. The response of the West have been measured and restrained. Policy and public opinion is being driven by a deep sense of fair play – something that Daily Cesspit subscribers clearly lack.
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Is this about the USA destroying the Russian economy, thereby neutralising Russia as an individual threat and more importantly a useful ally for China, which is the country they really fear?
I am afraid that I am not outraged by Putin’s/Russia’s reaction to all this, which has been provoked by the US and NATO. Has anyone heard that Donetsk and Luhansk have been suffering for the last eight years (no water, electricity, etc)? Plus NATO right on their border would always have been a line in the sand for Russia.
“Ukraine must be free to make alliances as it sees fit”
Tell that to Cuba in 1962. The fact is these principles only apply to the little countries. For the big boys “a Colt 45 always beats 4 aces”.
The problem with Cuba wasn’t its alliance with the USSR, was it? It was the missiles. Try to be more honest.
And Nato hasn’t moved missiles to Nato member countries next to Russia? And wouldn’t move to Ukraine if Ukraine was a member of Nato?
I am outraged and I t hink it does matter to us when an in dependant country is invaded. That sort of behaviour could become normal among the non-democratic coun tries who form the majority of nations . Our difficulty is that the case aghainst our actions in Iraq (2) and Afganistan is similar to Russia’s.
The difference is rthat none of the participating allies actually wanted to annext those countries or any part of them. The justifications fro the politicians are so vague we do not know why we invaded then just left. There were some who thought they would immediately turn democratic but whatever they thought, it was an attempt yo change the nature of those countries.
An answer can be Taiwan. If Putin gets his way China will try too, unless the west have an out that they can look like they’ve won and out China off then they will carry on.
There was a ‘conspiracy theory’ not long ago that the war in Ukraine would detract from discussion of the Covid scam.
Another theory come true!
Great article.
You could make more of Western hypocrisy – eg why we are so outraged over bloodshed in Ukraine but ignore Yemen. Which is being bombed with UK supplied weapons. Innocent people are dying there too.
Ultimately, this is a propaganda campaign waged against western populations. The political and media classes have once again gone berserk and are inflicting their hysteria on everyone else. For senior US senators such as Lynsey Graham to be talking openly of hoping for a Brutus type solution is frankly unhinged.
The only humanitarian answer for the people of Ukraine is to negotiate. And your observation on Putin’s war aims is very astute: they are hardly the aims of a quasi Hitler which is what the western media want to demonize him as.
Are you playing the devil’s advocate… or just lying for more outrage? This is a proxy war with Nato – with their cake being baked in 1991 – icing added in 2008 – and lashings of cream in 2014 – apart from bald threats of (illegal) nato membership in a country that shares a 2000 mile border with Russia, the US textbook soft power via ngos and media was fully amped, along with supplying arms and money to play the Ukrainians – then Nato engineered the coup because Yanukovych knew he’d get a better economic deal from Russia and Nato had to get rid of him via an illegal, orchestrated bloody coup which put neo fascists directly into power… then 8 years of illegally oppressing ethnic Russians in the East, banning their language and cutting off their supplies – and the biological weapon labs and the recent threat of nuclear weapons in the dangerous hands of neo fascists – wtf do you think Putin was going to do? It astounds me how pig ignorant most people choose to be. Read and research, listen to the tapped phone calls of smiling assassins from the US state dept talk about their Ukrainian… Read more »
Of course they should accept those terms. They’re the safest basis for a lasting secure peace in Europe. Failing to realise that will result in years of war, if we’re lucky, or nuclear Armageddon, if we’re not.
But they won’t accept them. Why? Because western politicians have worked themselves into a froth of brain dead indignation and will do nothing to impose pressure for peace on sensible terms. Instead they’ll encourage war with rabid demagoguery & the (highly profitable) supply of weapons to Ukraine.
Our politicians have utterly forgotten their duty (if they ever knew it) to their constituents and their country. Instead they’re entering the virtue signalling Olympics – risking not just Europe wide economic devastation, but the lives of all of us, and of our innocent children, in a nuclear conflict, just to prove how ‘caring’ they are. Egged on of course by Zelensky’s maniacal ranting. Honestly, every time he says ‘no fly zone’ just replace it with the words ‘thermonuclear war’ because that’s what this madman is agitating for. If he gets his way, our children will die. Why are our politicians listening to him?
Why should people living in Ukraine accept anything because you’ve been told to be afraid of something? A global thermonuclear war will be a war with no winners but only losers. Hence, that’s a strong incentive to avoid starting one for anybody who has serious plans for the future. Such as the president of a country which just invaded another country in order to force it to comply with his political designs. Both Russia and Putin in Russia would be much better off with an immediate troop withdrawal without having accomplished anything. Of course, Putin would be even better off when his idle, maybe-nuclear sabre rattling causes him to win the war in Ukraine he started. Coincidentally, these sensible terms are identical with what he wants to achieve.
This is right out of ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ though with a certain grim edge to the humour:
Crisis Actors Pretending to be dead Ukrainians Can’t Keep Still and Fox News Talking Heads Can’t Stop Lying – PaulCraigRoberts.org
Scroll down to the bottom if you just want to see the moving body bag.
I think many people could act his/her part better…
This is double Faked mate, the original was a demonstration in Austria for OE TV, a german news channel reporting on a climate demostraion, the orginal is here:
banner translates from german into “Wine demo against climatic policy”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3Rph8DcUY
Russia is not laying waste to parts of the Ukraine.
International relations focused on the Ukraine are highly unstable right now. At any time, there could be a spectacular provocation – for example at a religious site or at a nuclear power station.
Such a provocation need not be carried out by either Russian or Ukrainian forces.
I am still awaiting the total sanctioning of NATO member Trukey for its invasion of northern Syria and settling the territory with its takfiri waste.
Rinse and repeat. Again. Exactly the same kind of pseudo-argument is made by prominent members of the former East German state party in Germany, BTW. Quo vadis, Will Jones? Have you become a communist? One could feel inclined to think so.
It’s certainly possible to critizice the western We must do something! reaction to Putin’s invasion, especially, the SWIFT thing: Making international bank transfers more difficult for people with bank accounts in Russia, ie, ordinary Russian people, is not going to bother Putin much. But not in concert with the western colonial powers’ boilerplate recipe for dealing with trouble in Europe, tear the damn country apart in order to the create ethnically clean successor countries. Said western colonial powers have been doing nothing but that since 1918. And this has achieved nothing but that. Ukraine isn’t your’s. And hence, you don’t get to fillet it in order to make Putin and his scary war go away for your own, mostly mental, benefit.
In particular, the USA is still advised to solve it’s own ethnical problems first, either by fracturing itself into indepdendent, racially segregrated nation states. Or – even better – decolonizing itself out of existence by returning all of… Read more »
This article is utter. Dribble. Written by someone who has not a clue about Eastern Europe. Or of what Puntin really is. Or worse still believe all that Puntin says. . People across eastern Europe don’t trust Puntin Including Russians Know exactly what Puntin is. And have been warning about him for decades. He is a Starlinest modelled. Soviet KGB dinosaur. Of the cold war. And openly has a desire to take back lands or now independent counties, that he thinks of as Russia. Or russian states that he sees as rouge This includes NATO counties like Poland. Where my girlfriend is from Lublin. Only 120km from Ukraine boarder. The simple way to stop eastern European countries looking at NATO is to for Puntin not to threaten them. Or interfere with politics and place russian controlled governments. We should Listen to the people of eastern Europe. And this whole thing could of been stopped before it started. As for progress. NATO will be involved soon. As Puntin will likely attack a NATO country. Most likely Poland. Like Starlin. He doesn’t care a toss. Hopefully the Russian people will deal with him the Russian way.
Don’t tell me, it’s a similar idea to Butlin’s, right? I claim a tenner off me summer holidays.
Give me Puntin’s over Starlin’s any day
registered a new account today just to say that, triggered much LOL
May I ask if you are a native of Poland or other European country that Putin regards as within “his sphere of influence”?
The apparatchiks being paid by FSB/Moscow Centre controllers are clearly not; it appears they have little connection with europeans who have faced Russian/Soviet/Russian aggressive tendencies since before 1917. Your reality trumps their collective sycophancy – or is it something much more sinister?
Cretinously deluded – but great they live in a country where they can enjoy propaganda masked – but not very cleverly – as freedom of expression. But, they dont see the hypocrisy as others do; hallmark of the successfully brainwashed.
Imagine this whole mess goes from bad to worse and ends up in nuclear conflict and the consequences of that are what we imagine them to be. In 100 or 1,000 years time, children will learn about this in history class . . .
Pupil: “What was the war all about?’
Teacher: “well, there was a big club at the time that lots of countries were a member of – but not every country. Now, there was a small country that wasn’t a member, but wanted the right to join. Its neighbour was a very bid country which also wasn’t a member, but it didn’t want the small country to join.”
Pupil: “So, the small country applied to join the club and the club accepted their application?”
Teacher: “No, the small country hadn’t applied and, even if they did, it’s not certain the club would have approved their application and allowed them to become a member.”
Pupil: Let me see if I’ve understood this right. The small country isn’t in the club. They haven’t applied to join it and there’s no guarantee they would get in even if they did”.
Teacher: Yes, that’s correct.
Pupil: And everyone else thought it… Read more »
Don’t we get enough hysterical screaming propaganda from the UK Mass media with no opportunity to see the Russian point of view without having to be burdened with its repetition on here?
The US the EU and Nato organised a coup in Ukraine in 2014 to break up its ‘friendly neighbour’ policy with Russia and pul lit West. The US ( including the Biden family) have asset stripped the corrupted country ever since. There are serious doubts about the ‘election ‘of Zelensky and growing evidence of genocidal ‘real’ Nazis, sporting the SS runic device of the ‘Wolfsangel’ on their uniforoms and flags, who have been killing civilians in the Donbas for 8 years. It appears that They are now organising their guerrilla street fighting against the Russians, aided by the unofficial militias using gunsand other weapons, given them by Zelensky and the West, in residential areas
Any assessment of why Putin is in Ukraine needs to start with his verison of events not the usual one-sided, shrill US /UK/ EU propaganda.
Banning RT makes the West’s version of events just another propaganda fraud – why are they so frightened of the Russian version – does it have more credibility?… Read more »
We now hear of Biowarfare Labs run by the US and Fauci associates near the Russian border discovered by the Russian Army – is that also credible?
No.
Yes, it is credible, it comes from very upright and numerous sources. Here.
No matter what evidence is offered, you ignore it. Have you been sucked into the COVID-19 mass psychosis formation (MPF) phenomenon? Anyone under the influence of this phenomenon has symptoms like free-floating anxiety, a sense of unreality; and they’ll follow a charismatic hypnotic leader.
The charismatic hypnotic leader in this case is the relentlessly pushed “belief” that COVID-19 demanded the uptake of vaccines and Russia and Putin are very bad and a dangerous enemy of the herd the sufferer runs with.
Those afflicted with MPF will follow this leader (belief) in a hypnotic trance-like state and any attempts to point out to them their leader’s flaws will result in them aggressively and relentlessly defending this leader.
It’s rooted in the primeval/reptilian part of the brain, a desire to keep safe by doing as the herd does. It was very bad for a person 50,000 years ago if their tribe ostracised them, because if they were cast out, death was assured.
MPF probably drove the huge acceptance of the idiotic masks and gene therapies, as it probably drives so many not to question the… Read more »
Putin knows that after the Ukraine was assimilated the West would move onto Russia with a view to turning Russia into a version of Syria.
He decided that he doesn’t like the idea all that much.
The only conclusion I can draw from the past few years is that western countries are run by mad men and women intent on the complete destruction of their nations. Not content with the damage they have inflicted with their ridiculous overreaction to a virus which 99.8% of the population would make a full recovery from and only kills people on the verge of carking it anyway they are now setting about what at best will result in impoverishing their populations through sanctions and fuel prices spiralling out of control and at worst nuclear annihilation by prolonging a war which could easily have been avoided and easily be stopped all over a country we have no significant geopolitical interest in.
Yes, our very nationhood is now under threat from the would -be Globalist tyrants – everything you say is true.
Reagan seizing his ‘moral High Ground”called the Soviet Union an “Evil Empire” – we see to our great cost how the tables have turned!
Are children and old people not being killed in Yemen?
They no more count than the civilians killed in Serbia, Iraq, Libya or Syria, because people killed by the Yanks and their allies clearly aren’t human in the same sense as people killed by the Russians.
Interesting discussion, but it seems not to reckon with ‘a bigger agenda’. If you consider Yuval Harari to be a key spokesperson representing WEF objectives, there is much to be gleaned from this TED talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQqthbvYE8M
The russian people and even his cabinet are not with Putin: they want rid of Putin
This crisis will be a fine way to cut hydrocarbon consumption (esp Germany) while boosting renewables and nuclear, which works hand in hand with maintaining nuclear weapons.
This crisis will bring europeans together and squash national political internal squabbles
… and more, worth a listen
Putin is now asking for what he wanted before he moved in! They should keep the pressure on him, until he moves out of the Crimea!
He lives in Moscow.
Deranged. Have you considered what the Crimeans want, or have you just assumed they are on the same team that you blindly support?
Not only no but hell no.