In the past 72 hours I’ve experienced the unusual sensation of feeling more in step with the mainstream media than I have with my sceptical friends. I regard Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as something that’s straightforwardly wrong and which all right-thinking people should unequivocally condemn, whereas many of the people I’ve been in the lockdown trenches with over the past two years feel more ambivalent about the conflict. (See Russell Brand’s latest video for an example of what I’m talking about.)
In what follows, I’ll try to summarise the doubts these sceptics have raised about the West’s response to the invasion, and the way that’s been presented in the MSM, and do my best to respond to those doubts.
Over the past two years, the MSM has revealed itself to be fundamentally untrustworthy in its coverage of the pandemic. Why should we trust its coverage of the war in Ukraine?
I’m not relying on the MSM’s coverage for my understanding of the conflict, but, for the most part, ordinary Ukrainians and Ukrainian reporters on the ground, such as those included in the Twitter list compiled by Gavin Sheridan and the list put together by Giles Udy. But even if I was relying on the BBC and CNN, what is it the sceptics think is misleading about the MSM’s reporting? Do they think Russia hasn’t really invaded Ukraine? Or that the MSM isn’t giving enough credence to Putin’s pretext for invading, namely, that Russia was acting as a “peacekeeper” to prevent the newly-independent breakaway republics of Luhansk and Donetsk being attacked by the Ukrainian Army? It strikes me as odd that people who’ve learnt to be sceptical about the claims various governments have made about COVID-19 over the last two years should suddenly be inclined to take Putin’s manufactured casus belli at face value.
Putin has been provoked by NATO’s expansion eastwards since the fall of the collapse of the Soviet Union, pushing Russia further and further into a corner and leaving it with no choice but to invade Ukraine to prevent it joining NATO.
This is essentially the argument of Stop the War Coalition – an astroturf organisation created by the Socialist Workers’ Party – and its useful idiots in the Labour Party and the National Education Union. It’s rooted in the hard left’s long-standing opposition to Western imperialism and its associated blindspot when it comes to the imperial ambitions of China, the Soviet Union and now Russia – hence Stop the War’s noisy opposition to David Cameron’s proposal to join the U.S. in bombing regime targets in Syria but conspicuous silence about Russia’s bombing on behalf of the Syrian regime. Or maybe it’s not a blindspot, more a case of ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’. Whatever its roots, it’s not a serious argument. The Western allies didn’t invade Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic in 1997 and force their leaders to join NATO at gunpoint; rather, those newly independent states asked to join because they were concerned about the imperialist ambitions of the former Soviet Union. Ditto the admission of the former Soviet republics Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in 2004 (and Croatia and Albania in 2009). And in case you think their fears of a resurgent Russia bent on territorial expansion were completely misplaced, Russia invaded Chechnya in 1994, again in 1999, attacked Georgia in 2008, annexed Crimea in 2014 and invaded Ukraine last week. Casting these military actions as essentially ‘defensive’, designed to prevent Russia’s encirclement by NATO, is to take Putin and Stop the War’s anti-Western propaganda far more seriously than you should. (For a distillation of the NATO argument, see this piece by Tim Black in Spiked.)
It’s naive to think that Putin and Lakushenko are the baddies and the leaders of the liberal democracies who have condemned Putin, imposed sanctions and are now belatedly supplying the Ukrainians with arms are the goodies. The two sides in this conflict are morally equivalent.
This is a variation of the previous argument – and it’s difficult to take seriously since those making it never protest about Russia’s involvement in armed conflicts and always object to NATO’s. It reminds me of my left-wing contemporaries at Oxford in the mid-80s who argued that the USA and the USSR were morally indistinguishable. If you can’t get a cigarette paper between them on moral grounds, why not protest about the military adventures of both? But those left-wing students only ever protested about America’s ‘imperialism’, not the Soviet Union’s. Okay, maybe that’s an example of ‘whataboutery’ (see below). How about this? Even though the countries that make up the creaking Western alliance have failed to live up to their professed values, particularly in the past two years, those values – democratic elections, the rule of law, a free press, religious tolerance, individual rights, protection of minorities, etc. – are infinitely superior to those of Putin and Lakushenko. What do Putin and his one ally stand for? Abusing the democratic process, imprisoning opposition leaders, shutting down independent newspapers and news websites, rewarding their loyal followers with assets stolen from their people, the persecution of gays and other minorities? At least the apologists for the Soviet Union could point to the underlying egalitarian philosophy which, even if it was never realised and simply used as an excuse to murder tens of millions of people, was rooted in a moral vision. Modern Russia is a kleptocracy run by a former KGB officer. Morally equivalent to Britain and America? Only if your moral compass is broken.
What about Iraq? Why was the West’s attempt at regime change acceptable in 2003, while Russia’s isn’t?
Well, not everyone who is outraged by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine supported the Iraq War and even those that did probably now accept that trying to impose a legitimate democratic government by force was a bad idea. I supported that war because I thought the argument for overthrowing Saddam Hussein was compelling: he was a murderous dictator who’d committed genocide against his own people. Okay, he didn’t have weapons of mass destruction, but he was still a baddy. Putin’s argument that Ukraine is run by a “band of drug addicts and neo-Nazis”, by contrast, isn’t very persuasive. Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a democratically elected leader who enjoys the support of a majority of Ukrainians – particularly now he has proved such a capable war leader. He won a five-year term in 2019 and has pledged to serve just one term. Saddam Hussein he isn’t.
Why the concern for the people of Ukraine but not Yemen/Palestine/Afghanistan? Is it because we value white European lives higher than the lives of brown people?
This is an example of ‘whataboutery’ which, in the words of Wikipedia, “is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy, which attempts to discredit an opponent’s position by charging hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument”. Perhaps those of us who care about the plight of the Ukrainian people should care as much about the plight of other victims of military aggression. But even if we don’t, that doesn’t mean we’re wrong to object to Putin’s invasion.
Isn’t it all about energy? The U.S. is concerned about Nord Stream 2 opening, thereby increasing Russia’s strategic influence in the region and, by extension, diminishing America’s. That’s why it has provoked this attack.
I’m the first to point out that Western European countries should never have embarked on a process of decarbonisation. I think Germany’s decision to wind down its nuclear power industry was insane and Boris’s Net Zero policy is completely bonkers – and would like nothing more than for the U.K. to start fracking on an industrial scale tomorrow, not least because it would avoid us becoming dependent on Russian gas exports as our own supplies in the North Sea (and Norway’s) dwindle. But I don’t think the U.S. would conspire to undermine the security of the U.K. if it became energy self-sufficient and I don’t think it’s manufactured this war because it’s worried about Russia’s gas deposits. This is a variation of the ‘It’s all about oil’ critique of the Iraq War. (For a comprehensive rebuttal of that armchair analysis, see this piece by Tal Tyagi in Quillette.) No one provoked this attack – Putin wasn’t provoked. NATO isn’t hell bent on encircling Russia (see above) and Putin’s claim that he wanted to defend Russian separatists in Ukraine who were at the mercy of neo-Nazis is complete balls. If Nord Stream 2 is now at risk of not opening, it’s because Putin started an unprovoked war of aggression in the region. If the Russian economy implodes after this reckless military adventure, Putin only has himself to blame.
Isn’t it all about digital currency? Russia is an obstacle to the roll out of central bank digital currencies (CBDC) and the creation of a biosecurity New World Order.
I’m inventing this one in anticipation of what James Delingpole is likely to say in our next podcast. A variation of it is that Russia is being punished because Putin is a spanner in the works of the Great Reset. But how, exactly? Russia imposed a lockdown, rolled out its own Covid vaccine and Putin attended Davos in 2021. And while the war may accelerate the introduction of a CBDC in Russia, that’s because it will make it harder for American and European central bankers to control him, not easier. Which is one of the flaws in this limb of the Great Reset conspiracy theory. Central bank digital currencies may may it easier for governments to control their populations via social credit systems or whatever, but they will make it harder for those governments to be controlled by Klaus Schwab and his cronies on the WEF. But setting aside the fact that the Great Reset is a paranoid fever dream, the fundamental problem with this argument is that it appeals to the principle of individual freedom – which is the reason for objecting to the Great Reset in the first place – to justify overlooking the military conquest of one country by another. It’s as though the clandestine erosion of liberty via digital wizardry is somehow worse than a direct assault on liberty, the old-fashioned way – at the barrel of a gun. The way I see it, if you’re a believer in individual freedom, you should object to any and all attempts to undermine it, whether digital or analogue.
The conflict has been manufactured to deflect the world’s attention from what’s happening in Canada.
Too brain dead to bother responding to? You’d hope so, but here goes. First of all, the stand-off in Canada between Justin Trudeau and the truckers is basically over and the truckers won. Trudeau has revoked the emergency powers he granted himself to deal with the protest and the Government of Ontario, Canada’s most populous province, has announced it will scrap vaccine passports on March 1st, and end all capacity limits on restaurants, bars, gyms and other indoor venues. Quebec, Saskatchewan and Alberta have announced similar ends to vaccine passports and other provinces, such as New Brunswick and British Columbia, are easing restrictions. Okay, you still need to show proof of vaccination at the U.S.-Canadian border, but for how much longer? The Covidians are in retreat across Canada, thanks in large part to the Freedom Convoy. Second, how is Trudeau’s grandstanding about Putin helping him, exactly? All it does is underline just what a steaming hypocrite he is. And thirdly, no one has manufactured this conflict apart from Putin and, believe me, he hasn’t done it to ease the political pressure on the Canadian Prime Minister.
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No doubt there are many more points I’m overlooking – and if anyone feels like writing an article fleshing out the case for remaining neutral in this conflict, feel free to send it in. If it’s good enough I’ll publish it, but it will have to be pretty persuasive because when a strongman leader uses his country’s superior military force to subjugate an independent sovereign state to his will my natural inclination is to side with the underdog.
I know many people have been red-pilled by the behaviour of our Government over the past 24 months and the abject failure of the MSM to hold our leaders to account. But just because they’ve been wrong about almost everything in the recent past doesn’t mean they’re wrong about Putin. It’s worth remembering that in the fairytale the boy who cried wolf was only mistaken up until the moment he was right – and the townspeople suffered because they were too sceptical. They should have believed him. Sometimes, when the Government and the MSM cry wolf, they’re right.
Vladimir Putin really is a wolf.


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Thanks for the link to Russell Brand’s analysis, which raises the important point that it’s ordinary people on the ground who get it in the neck when caught between the conflicting interests of power brokers. They who, laughably, still try to convince us they act from sound principle, while censoring your access to information and using the fog of war to obscure the effects of the last pile of poo they dumped on the populace.
They must think we’re thick, or at best, ineffectual.
Yet another Ukraine fake exposed:
Member of the 72nd Centre for Info & Psychological operations of the UAF posing as a devastated victim…image was used widely by the MSM
https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1498454013095727107
It is not a question if invading a country and waging war is right or wrong. Waging war is wrong and should be avoided if ever possible. But the MSM is engaged in a new form of virtue signalling to a point that is obviously hypocrite.
“Weapons of Mass Destruction” is justified and a strategic red line isn’t? I am not answering the question, merely pointing out the difference in how the MSM has approached it.
Who is Hitler? There are many world leaders (and politicains) with very big ego’s that will execute extreme measures when given the chance. If Europe wants to expand NATO without expanding it’s military power and leans on the U.S., combined with dependence on Russian energy and a weak U.S., the opportunity is given. It is not a matter of morality, it is a matter of strategic geopolitical reality. In a world where the U.S. is losing their dominance this reality is becoming more complex.
It is a matter of being given the opportunity. What if Trudeau was a leader in a political system like in Russia. What would have happened to the Truckers and the unclean?
Another article by Tim Black on the Spiked site worth reading: The lethal stupidity of a No Fly Zone
Abusing the democratic process, imprisoning opposition leaders, shutting down independent newspapers and news websites, rewarding their loyal followers with assets stolen from their people,
exactly what the western democratic states have been doing for the past two years….
america and britain are as much kleptocracies as russia is.
and if you think differently you are not thinking hard enough…
that however does not mean that putin is not a real threat to peace and should not be shut down
Really good article, thanks. I hear shed loads of analysis but if there are too many closed or inflexible minds how is the unease of scepticism to be spread?
Toby has been bought! Skirting over the West’s antics of the last 25 years with – it’s whataboutery – diminishes the fact the West has created hell on Earth for some people of the world, either to impose the West’s style of democracy (look where we are now!?!), or to create the conditions for the great movement of people. And sorry, to talk about the WEF, the great reset and build back better has some kind of conspiracy is ridiculous.. it’s being played out I front of us and Ukraine is just another phase. Disappointing article!
For anyone seeking a concise comprehensive backgrouder regarding Russia, Ukraine and Crimea, I reccomend
Everything you always wanted to know about Ukraine
It is intended by the author (an ex-diplomat who worked in Kiev) as a ‘vaccine’ to the MSM frenzy.
Get LT off the case asap…
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The ‘Roses have thorns’ series is good, especially the ones relating to the Maidan, and the Odessa pogrom. The creators used publicly available mobile phone footage taken by numerous peole in numerous positions, all time synchronised, to try to work out what happened, who did what etc.
For those unaware, the Odessa pogrom refers to an incident in May(?) 2014 where pro-Russian Ukrainians in Odessa were holding a peaceful meeting outside the city’s main trades union hall. A massive crowd of neo-Nazis approached, attacked them and drove the meeting attendees into the trades union building. Numerous molotov cocktails were thrown into the building resulting in a massive fire. Badly burnt people ended up leaping to safety from the upper floors. A woman’s scream heard at one point turn out to have been made by a pregnant women, who was supposedly raped (evidence not clear on film), and definitely strangled with a telephone cord. Many of those killed died from carbon monoxide poisoning. Their corpses were then set on fire, presumably by attackers carrying molotov cocktails. The incident was covered up by the Odessa authorities.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WUae74TkoS4/
The latest analysis from Mercouris. The Duran.
What I have learnt in the past couple of days is that this has been a combination of cock-up by the West (especially Obama/Biden and Germany, but the whole foreign policy western world too) and continued excessively unacceptable behaviour by Putin.
If anyone has 45mins (+ Q & A) watch Prof Mearsheimer’s prescient lecture in 2015 in Chicago. It is very enlightening. It does not exonerate anyone using force to get their way. But that never troubled Putin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
The truth seems to be that by being brain dead about Russia’s genuine concerns (because Putin runs a klepto-thug-ocracy) we have taken our eyes off what should have happened. Everyone has been at least ‘un-smart’ to get here. It’s never too late to realise that, but with that old fool in the White House that’s never going to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6YeIM85SJg&ab_channel=AmanpourandCompany
Vladimir Putin – “Empire of Lies” Speech – Full – February 24, 2022
Recommend watching Oliver Stone’s production of ‘Ukraine on Fire’ before you take sides on this particular conflict. Ukraine on Fire: The Real Story – Full Documentary by Oliver Stone (Original English version) on Vimeo
Brand seems to have been red pilled by the Covid Con and its tyranny, though it’s strange to see that he supported the mayhem in Iraq simply because Saddam was a ‘baddie’. It seems he’s applying the same criterion to Putin. And it has to be said, the Russian Presidente is displaying an mind set that might be compared to Saddam Hussein’s with the Kurds.
I’ve visited Ukraine on business many times since just after the USSR broke up. On one trip in the mid 90’s, I was shown around a museum in Rivne (old Poland). It detailed the Soviet Communist forced famine of the 30’s in which millions starved to death. Details of the concentration camps run by the Russians. The executions and and so on. The barbed wire motiff around the walls was particularly apt.
I also visit the Lviv area. In ancient Galicia – nothing to do with Russia. Putin has already been a swear word there for quite some time.
It was very plain most in the Western half of the country, at least, don’t want to be dominated again by Russians, whether communist or old fashioned wanna be Tsars. Putin thinks he owns Ukraine, or… Read more »
“Putin’s claim that he wanted to defend Russian separatists in Ukraine who were at the mercy of neo-Nazis is complete balls.”
Piles of dead and houses reduced to rubble that suggest otherwise.
There are sheep with a better understanding of history than Toby Young.
Toby, this is the article you should publish
si vis pacem, para bellum – bad cattitude (substack.com)
Bucketloads of Putin supporters and apologists here.
Your point is well proven, Toby.
‘Putin apologist’ the new ‘anti-vaxxer’? Engage the arguments, don’t name call. Nuance and complexity exist in wars.
Why would Putin invade Ukraine? There is nothing there, a poor country, is it worthy to invade Ukraine and risk sanctions and another iron curtain? No, if he wanted to create a new empire as they say he would take his time and make it from the inside out – there is a decent Russian population in the east of Ukraine and this territory traditionally was Russian. In a few years he could do this by revolutions etc. Why MSM share fake news about the invasion? I am Polish and watched a lot of not MSM media about some of the incidents from the invasion and Polish army members say that what the MSM is false footage of the war. For example, a film with a ‘Russian’ tank running over a civilian car. This video was analysed by the Polish army and the conclusion was it was a tank running over a car, but it was an Ukrainian tank. Ukrainians took inexperienced people to run tanks and a crew of one of them fired their own tank by mistake. Crew of the tank which was under fire panicked and lost control of it hence ran over a car. Fortunately the… Read more »
Putin may not be entirely wrong about the influence of neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian armed forces or law enforcement? Have there been atrocities in the Donbas v Slavs? Is there an ethnic cleansing going on? The Azov Battalion is a reality, pre-invasion. Simplistic good v evil is too lazy. Doesn’t mean the invasion isn’t evil but there’s a case to answer. We’re arming real Nazis among many normal Ukrainians.
https://maajidnawaz.substack.com/p/russia-ukraine-nato-the-eu-and-a?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjozMTkyMDE3LCJfIjoibGkyK3MiLCJpYXQiOjE2NDYxMzIxMjEsImV4cCI6MTY0NjEzNTcyMSwiaXNzIjoicHViLTY3MjQxMSIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.CylK7xnG8vrDA7CMzm2tzIINhSgFCaIWjPuyAX8MOcs&fbclid=IwAR1pKbCijYho0abYjylF72o3mzp1d57v4uPGPCYp0BV8gt_VQysvcZDbjS0
I do not condone the war and I am disappointed Russia has invaded BUT:
“Putin’s pretext for invading, namely, that Russia was acting as a “peacekeeper” to prevent the newly-independent breakaway republics of Luhansk and Donetsk being attacked by the Ukrainian Army”
Where the **** have you been the past eight years? 10-14,000 civilians already dead from Ukraine shelling of breakaway republics.
Where was all the concern for innocent men, women, and children then?
I believe this is a wrong and illogical take for 2 reasons.
1 – It is quite wrong to think the argument to invade Iraq was compelling. Saddam Hussein was installed and backed by the West to fight against Iran in the early 1980´s and he was funded economically and militarily by the USA throughout the time he gassed his own people. History is full of human rights abusing tyrants supported by the west – just look as Britain’s and USA unwavering support for Saudi Arabia, which are deploying British weapons in Yemen. Actually believing moral reasons for a war is the absolute height of naivety. They always give a moral reason for war – the true motivation was America´s own self-interest – one being Iraq´s oil. It takes an incredible level of double-think to believe the Iraq war – which killed hundreds of thousands of people – was for the good of those people !!
2 – Quite simply – approving of the Iraq war – while disapproving of the Ukraine war is a clear double-standard. If we are being sensible – then the England football tam should also be kicked out the world cup for its role in… Read more »
As mentioned in the following post, Putin is an unhinged psychopath
And your evidence for that is…?
This is precisely why I read the DS – because it makes me feel less crazy, not more!
For some background on the 2014 coup and the conflict in Ukraine and Russia, may be worthwhile looking at this Oliver Stone production.
Ukraine on Fire: The Real Story – Full Documentary by Oliver Stone (Original English version)
Toby Young is wrong on Iraq. The point is not that Saddam was evil so therefore it was alright. (There are plenty of evil leaders we are not trying to otherthrow. In fact some that we seem to do business with).
The point is that our Prime Minister knowingly lied to the public and parliament. When exposed, he tried to pretend the war was about something else. The war itself massively destabilised the region causing much human suffering.
It really matters that the argument for war was a lie.
I believe that we should remain highly sceptical of the mainstream anti-Russian narrative. Having listened to just an hour of wall-to-wall BBC Putin-bashing yesterday, I concluded that this was inciting listeners to beat up a Russian…or worse.
I have supported this excellent daily reading for sceptics from the beginning but, if it loses its scepticism of the mainstream narrative, it will no longer do what it says on the tin and I will go elsewhere.
I would largely agree with Toby, although the specific provocation here may have been the Ukrainian notion of reassessing their nuclear moratorium, as Pepe Escobar notes:
“Comedian/Ukrainian President Volodymy Zelensky, back from the Russophobia-drenched Munich Security Conference where he was hailed like a Messiah, saying that the 1994 Budapest memorandum should be revised and Ukraine should be nuclear-rearmed”
However while it clear Putin has invaded a soverign nation again, after doing so during the previous Democrat presidency, which is undoubtably an awful cause of suffering for thousands of Ukrainians and Russians alike, after years of Russian and US-backed proxy war deaths on both sides already, how should a Russian react to such annual encirclement by forever-warmongers?
Its not much evolved from playground bullying; when teacher comes I claim you started the fight, as no one saw me pushing you around repeatedly until you lashed out. Albeit on a grander scale with almost unlimited levers to pull.
I don’t think you can blame those disenchanted westerners. The blob lied about the vaccines, but they wouldnt lie about the medicines authority. They lied about the medicines authority but they wouldnt lie about the pandemic. They lied about the pandemic but they wouldnt… Read more »
There is no such thing as reality; only individual perceptions!
Astonishing how this video from 2015 still applies today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=380s
I think these arguments are only valid if you also look at the last eight years of bombing in the Donbas and the poverty created by the USA funded Ukraine after the 2014 coup.
I would also beg the question how would America feel if Russia placed bioweapon labs on the borders of Canada. Then there is the question of Clinton breaking an agreement that NATO would not spread further to the East.
This is a very complex situation and I think is the result of unfinished business from 2014 and beyond. I wonder how much information would be revealed from the Laptop of hell, Burisma accounts and Privatbank dealings with EU.
I don’t think any rational person can justify the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I have though some sympathy with the idea that our response to the end of the Cold War may have been a contributory factor in the rise of Putin and the Oligarchs. Perhaps the West’s universal support of Yestin was a mistake and US interference in Afghanistan undoubtably sowed the seeds for the rise of the Taliban. These past two years of Covid panic have exposed our fragility. “Nobody is safe until we are all safe”. Combine this with premonitions of impending environmental catastrophe and job done. Tyrants exploit weakness. It was ever thus. At least those who appeased Hitler during the 1930s could draw on the carnage of WWI to justify their position. We have lost the ability to stand up for ourselves and others. History is repeating itself.