The Political Fairytales of “Nut Zero”

The green lobby will do all it can to remove oil and gas from the UK’s energy mix. Whatever it takes and whatever the cost – including using taxation to deliberately make gas prohibitively expensive.

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A growing number of journalists are casting doubt on the wisdom of the Net Zero political agenda. Writing in Wednesday’s Telegraph, Allison Pearson asks:

Who on Earth agrees with this experiment? Politicians talking hot air while families freeze. I reckon we need a referendum to establish whether the British people are happy to see their heat and light at the mercy of any passing breeze.

Noting that none of the back-ups brought in to help when Storm Eunice knocked out the electricity supply will be allowed under the Government’s Net Zero policy, she continued:

Their idea is to phase out sales of wet wood and house coal. (Bye bye, log burners!) Producing British gas is now deemed so environmentally unfriendly that we have to import it instead (which creates a giant’s carbon footprint, but at least it’s off our books). By 2025, all new homes will be banned from installing gas and oil burners, and will instead be heated by low-carbon alternatives such as… er, we’ll get back to you on that.

Pearson is right to be cynical about the green energy alternatives, which mostly revolve around hideously expensive attempts to convert the heat from sometimes sub-zero winter air and frozen ground. These specialist ‘heat’ pumps require houses to be more or less hermetically sealed (excellent conditions for winter viruses to spread), and radiators and pipework to be enlarged. Inhabitants will need to get used to lukewarm water and living in rooms struggling to reach 18°C. Oh, and they cost around £10,000, plus another substantial bill for all the building work.

Pearson then moves onto the cost of what she describes as “Nut Zero”:

Most people have no idea how crazy this stuff is. I was astonished to learn that when there is too much wind, and not enough electricity demand, wind generators are actually paid by the taxpayer to refrain from producing electricity. Three large wind farms in Scotland received a total of £24.5 million to fail to produce about half of their potential output. In one case, £7.7 million in ‘constraint’ payments handed to the operator of a 23-turbine scheme in Scotland in 2020 led to the wind farm deliberately failing to produce 51% of its potential output. Farcical, but not at all funny.

As the British people faint clean away upon opening their latest fuel bill, how wonderful to know that our energy costs are likely to go up and up because back-up power stations (gas-fired) have to be ready to roar into action when the wind is too low. Or we have to pay hundreds of millions to stop production when it’s too windy.

In Pearson’s view, our entire nation’s future electricity supply depends on a theory to be found in the Goldilocks fairytale: “Not too windy, not too still, just right.”

Pearson is drawing attention to some of the enormous costs involved in keeping the renewables show on the road. The total cost of environmental levies is £11.2 billion this year and this is forecast to soar to £14.1 billion in 2026. This cost is applied to U.K. electricity bills and covers the various financial mechanisms used to incentivise windmill operators. It also helps pay for the enormous extra costs involved in having efficient fossil fuel power stations on standby, to pick up the slack when windmills fail.

However, another major green energy cost recently introduced is often overlooked since it counts as a tax, not a levy. It is called the Emissions Trading Scheme and charges major energy users for their carbon outputs. The so-called cap and trade tax collected nearly a billion pounds this year, a figure that will increase five-fold in 2023 – all ultimately passed onto the consumer; the poorest, as always, paying the largest relative share.

Andrew Neil is another leading journalist casting serious doubt on the Net Zero political agenda. Commenting recently in the Daily Mail on the 50% hike in gas prices, Neil suggested we were reaping the bitter consequences of 25 years of increasingly costly, short-sighted and self-defeating energy policies promoted in unison by these very same politicians – Tory, Labour and Liberal Democrat alike – who now bleat there’s nothing they can do about it.

The solution has been under our feet for more than a decade. Britain sits on some of the world’s richest reserves of shale gas. The Bowland Field in Lancashire harbours 37.6 trillion cubic metres of the stuff. Even if we were to extract only 10% of it – through a process called fracking – we’d have enough gas to be self- sufficient for 50 years. In reality we haven’t extracted a single cubic metre. Our politicians… simply don’t have the gumption to go for it. They are cowed into submission by the propaganda of the green lobby, which hugely exaggerated the environmental dangers.

The green lobby will do all it can to remove oil and gas from the U.K.’s energy mix. Whatever it takes and, seemingly, whatever the cost. None come greener than the Government’s own advisory body, the Climate Change Committee, which is committed to making renewables viable via higher energy costs. In its 2020 sixth carbon budget, it suggested a “strong carbon price” (i.e., tax) would push gas generation down the merit order, “such that it would play a more marginal role, particularly in meeting security of supply”.

What security of supply, the curious might ask.

Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic‘s Environment Editor.

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Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
4 years ago

“These specialist ‘heat’ pumps require houses to be more or less hermetically sealed (excellent conditions for winter viruses to spread)”

Chris Morrison has clearly never heard of heat exchangers, so how come he is the Daily Sceptic‘s Environment Editor? Couldn’t you find someone that is familiar with the subject matter?

Let me explain Chris. Fresh air is brought into the house via a heat exchanger. Heat from warm air leaving the house is transferred to the cold air coming into the house. The result is lovely fresh air and very little heat loss.

Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
4 years ago

Pearson says “Their idea is to phase out sales of wet wood and house coal. (Bye bye, log burners!)”

Why? Does Pearson’s log burner only work with wet wood, rather than the kiln dried stuff that burns cleaner, gives out more heat and doesn’t soot up your chimney?

I have a lot of respect for you Alison, so please don’t make stuff up.

TheBigman
TheBigman
4 years ago

There are other answers that don’t include fracking:

Build cleaner coal power stations (yes they exist) to suplement power generation in the short term.
Invest in major new nuclear power stations.
Build new nuclear tech such as Thorium reactors.

Other non-energy policies to uptake:
Stop uncontrolled mass migration; Parts of England are more densley populated than Hong Kong.
The above point is underrated. All these extra people each year have to live somewhere, have to eat, have to bathe, travel on the much applauded public transport system. That is all carbon requiring energy. Stopping them arriving removes the need for more energy that way we can have a natural increase as would otherwise have been the case.

Properly managed estates e.g heather and bracken management needs to be made an issue as poorly maintained areas create flooded areas etc and this can lead to more issues down the line.

Remove all levies and subsidies to energy production and let there be a level playing field.

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

I seem to remember that there were outline projects to introduce carbon capture sequestration (CCS) in some existing coal fired ones, using redundant gas fields or oil wells for long term storage. However, money said no, so places like Drax switched to burning wood chips transported across the Atlantic, then by train to Yorkshire, touted as environmentally friendly and so on.

In the meantime, this story https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2022/02/china-ramps-up-coal-based-steel-and-power-plants-despite-net-zero-goals/ about China may be of interest.

Michael Sangster
Michael Sangster
4 years ago

Epitaph for a Wind Turbine

Here lies a mighty work of man,
Many a furlong encompassed its span.
Sadly it served a foolish conceit,
That man in his greatness would the world overheat.
An egregious presumption of laborious fools
That all would die unless we followed their rules.
When these goliaths were put in the bin,
One was left, memento of our most besetting sin.
Folie des grandeurs, hubris and fear,
Made man this monolith high to uprear.
They stood in their legions on sea and on land,
Blighting all beauty and dismaying the mind.
One small oversight had these masters of science,
That wind’s not a thing on which you place much reliance.
This a child could have foretold,
But the wise never listen and we got very cold.

Michael Sangster.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

And getting much of it from Australia, which is doing away with its use. Barking mad.

Human Resource 19510203
Human Resource 19510203
4 years ago

The more I learn about the Great Climate Scam the angrier I get. This MUST be stopped.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

Have you signed the petition? Doesn’t do much to help, I know, but you can see that others agree with you.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

Allison P says: ”We need a petition….” There is one, growing suspiciously slowly. Closes on 27 April. Perhaps she should promote it.

”Hold a referendum on whether to keep the 2050 net zero target”

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/599602

SimCS
SimCS
4 years ago

Glad to see Allison Pearson etc. have started writing about this issue, but you have to ask, where have they been all these years, when so many have been highlighting the utter folly, even impossibility of what is now known as net-zero?

Will our idiot climate change believing MPs now start to understand, grasp the mettle, and start pushing back against Boris and the CCC, or will doing a political U-turn be considered a no-go area?

bowlsman
bowlsman
4 years ago

We have the solution. Nuclear and shale gas.
But Carrie and co plus Zac Goldsmith (another rich modern pirate) are ruling Boris.
This is basically a war, a war on life as we know and want it to be.
WE are the ones who must find a way to defeat the eco loons and climate warriors.
And we must start now.

godders
godders
4 years ago

The zero carbon policy makes about as much sense as the failed zero COVID policies.

If we’re smart, we won’t insist on finding this out the hard way.

brachiopod
brachiopod
4 years ago

If you put your money in shale gas in the UK you will lose your shirt – something you might need to keep warm. The UK has a highly complex structural geology that will make extracting the entrained gas very difficult and costly, not to mention destructive of the environment. The one thing most of that land, beneath which the gas hides, can do well is raise woolly pigs aka sheep, good as a source of ‘clean’ meat and wool for the jumpers we should be using to keep warm rather than expecting to heat our homes to subtropical temperatures.

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

There’s a lot of truth in that but at present the market price of wool is not good for the farmers in the UK. Most of the woolly things you can buy in typical stores come from the far east.

NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
4 years ago

‘Oh, and they cost around £10,000, plus another substantial bill for all the building work.’
Plus the huge electrical bill for pumping the system 24/7.

JXB
JXB
4 years ago

‘… – all ultimately passed onto the consumer; the poorest, as always, paying the largest relative share.’

It’s a Pigou Tax, the purpose being to ‘internalise’ the cost of a negative externality – that is a cost not included in the price to a consumer of a good, but a cost borne by some other who does not benefit from the good but will be made worse off.

it is meant to be an end-user tax to encourage decreased use of a good and encourage a move to an alternative. It is an indiscriminate, regressive tax like VAT so it hurts the poorer most. It is noticeable that the cheerleaders for all this tosh are well-off, many nice comfortable, middle-class Tofu-munchers.

The problem with Pigou Taxes is there is no way of determining the ‘correct’ level. Too low and they fail in their objective, too high and they cause economic harm. And the other big issue is Governments get addicted to them, so even if they do have the desired effect, Government will continue with them or seek alternatives to tax to maintain revenue.

The assumption is we are enjoying the benefits of fossil fuels but not… Read more »

Mumbo Jumbo
Mumbo Jumbo
4 years ago

I think you are all being remarkably restrained. I find it impossible to comment effectively on the situation without profanity and abuse.

JXB
JXB
4 years ago

The effects of supposed ‘climate change’ and response to it is all based on computer models, constructed by charlatans… just like CoVid.

And as with CoVid observation diverges widely from prediction. There is no evidence that weather patterns are trending in any direction or moving outside natural variation for the last Century.

The average global temperature, for a long list of reasons, is accurate to about +/- 3C, so nobody actually knows true global temperature; there is no way to monitor supposed reduction in global temperature if we ‘decarbonise’ with any accuracy. So keeping global temperature changes within 1.5C is absurd – we can’t do that in our living rooms!

Climate is an average (as such it doesn’t exist, like the ‘average family’) of meteorological events which in the short term, 24 hours, we call weather, over the long term we call climate. Thus 50% of the data is above, 50% below average, with 5% at each extreme. There is no default climate therefore.

Climate can only be considered retrospectively over thousands, tens of thousands of years. Making prediction about future climate is fortune telling and hucksterism.

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Planet’s been cooling for 7K years, and this interstadial is following exactly the previous ones

https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/holocene-context-for-catastrophic-anthropogenic-global-warming/

The level of wilful ignorance re climate is a disgrace.

Add to that that the models are beyond useless; even Gavin Schmidt, recently NASA GISS head and a climate change crazy has admitted the models run too hot (and we base our policy on these nonsense projections, not on real world data, such as the current Grand Solar Minimum {not predicted by the models btw)

https://www.cosba.com.au/2021/07/climate-change-science-magazine-article-blows-the-whistle-on-model-failure/

“Leading climate scientists conceded that models used to estimate how much the world will warm with rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are running too hot.

“It’s become clear over the last year or so that we can’t avoid this,” Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, told Science ­magazine.
The admission is seen as a significant development by scientists who argue that not enough attention has been paid to natural ­cycles in the earth’s climate.”

And two other NASA scientists blow the whistle on how bad the models are.

https://principia-scientific.org/top-nasa-climate-modeler-admits-predictions-mathematically-impossible/

https://notrickszone.com/2019/08/29/nasa-we-cant-model-clouds-so-climate-models-are-100-times-less-accurate-than-needed-for-projections/

Svenmark’s work on cloud nucleation by cosmic rays is critical to the above. Cosmic ray intensity varies hugely according to… Read more »

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bresbo
bresbo
4 years ago

Please, please don’t print anything that favours fracking in the UK. It’s one of the few things worse than Andrew Neil opening his mouth.

Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
4 years ago
Reply to  bresbo

or what?

Will you report us to your Sgt?

John001
John001
4 years ago

As a scientist who worked in the energy field as a ‘day job’ for 40 years, I find that the DS discussion of energy and climate change consistently fails to be as sharp and incisive as its discussion of COVID. The latter has been a breath of fresh air.

The DS position on climate change slightly reminds me of Piers Corbyn’s website. I’m afraid most people dismiss Piers’s views as being not quite credible, although they could of course be tested by having him in a TV debate with a Met Office person.

To see a country that’s got to grips with declining fossil fuel resources, I suggest a visit to Denmark. They had a coherent energy policy in the 1970s, long before CO2 was discussed. This was because of the effects of the 1973 and 1979 oil crises; they were much more oil-dependent than the UK.

Danes mostly expect their houses to be heated to 20 to 24 degC. By comparison, it’s the UK that has freezing cold homes, even with natural gas still being available. But as usual with the press, never expect reality to get in the way of a good story.

Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

I’m also a retired research scientist. I seem to recall that Denmark went heavenly into wind turbines to supply most of there electricity. Unfortunately due to the vagaries of the wind the Danish electrical supply network became unstable and they had to export some of their wind generated electricity to other countries and import hydroelectricity from Norway to maintain a stable supply.

Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Why “unfortunately”. We import and export pretty much everything else, so why not energy? Moving electricity around like this is a great way to stabilise power systems and use the cheapest available source at any given time.

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

“declining fossil fuel resources,”

Um even Moonbat has agreed that peak oil is rollocks.

Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
4 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

Interesting viewpoint.
Fossil fuel resources are increasing rather than declining?
How does that happen?

Anthony_Blighe
Anthony_Blighe
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

I agree entirely.

Chris Morrison clearly does not have a clue, or he is deliberately mangling, exaggerating and omitting to promote a particular narrative. Employing him as Environmental Editor is bringing the Daily Sceptic into disrepute and casting shade on their excellent informed work on COVID.

“fails to be as sharp and incisive” – something of an understatement!

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago

Eco craziness was gifted us by the Nazis…

https://epublications.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1155&context=hist_fac

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35941487-green-tyranny

And much is still held in common – for example, for Greens, however much pollution, child labour and related diseases are caused by rare metal mining for turbines and solar, that we get “clean” energy at the end is all that matters; that old Fascist mantra – “The end justifies the means”

JeremyP99
JeremyP99
4 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

Excerpt from Link #1

“”We recognize that separating humanity from nature, from the whole of life, leads to humankind’s own destruction and to the death of nations. Only through a re-integration of humanity into the whole of nature can our people be made stronger. That is the fundamental point of the biological tasks of our age. Humankind alone is no longer the focus of thought, but rather life as a whole . . . This striving toward connectedness with the totality of life, with nature itself, a nature into which we are born, this is the deepest meaning and the true essence of National Socialist thought:'”

Matt Mounsey
Matt Mounsey
4 years ago

‘Nut Zero’, eh? Please be careful in creating terms with ambiguous meanings or we’ll all be a laughing stock.

Mark76
Mark76
4 years ago

We could all just move somewhere warmer. Syria, say. I don’t think their military would pose any serious impediment to us establishing colonies there.

Mark76
Mark76
4 years ago

Can we just help these people (the net zero lobby) reduce their own carbon footprint? If you get what I mean

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago

When Maggie shut the pits I said at the time we will have to re-open these in 50 years.

I might be slightly out on the timing but the pits will have to be opened again at some point, shale gas notwithstanding. We’ll probably need Indian and / or Polish expertise but 300 years coal supply cannot be left alone while the nation goes cold.

Utter bloody madness.

A bit like the national food policy. Oh, whoops we haven’t got one of those either.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Thye were on sale for a single pound.

The NUM didnt want to buy them, they wanted to be subsidised, bit like the owners of wind totems do now.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

‘we’d have enough gas to be self- sufficient for 50 years.’

Not really true as things stand because all that gas would have to be sold on the world markets at world prices, we are globalists don’t you know.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Time to realise that like the sanctions on Russia that will not affect Russia, who will merely lean more on China, but will create shortages and hyper inflation in the west , this is all about ‘Taking Down’ the western ‘democracies'( sic) and our own Governments and 90% of our politicians are in lock-step collusion with the WEF are out to pile on the pressure ruin our lives our livelihoods and impoverish us. They have now seen an example form Canada on how to steal our bank balances too!

We are under a crazy assault from a bizarre and deranged alliance of enemies of the Western World and those who despise ordinary people- but ironically that does not include the Russians!

The first principle is to believe absolutely nothing any Western politician or media source ( bar those few inanely bleating “why oh, why” all the time) tells you – the world – in fact the whole last crazy decade of Culture Wars – begins to make more sense.

When Trilateral Globalist Useful Idiot Kneeler Starmer succeeds in fulfilling his orders to prime Johnson into taking down ‘Russia Today’ , we shall have no world news source not locked into… Read more »

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

This goes hand in hand with their digital harms bill.
Misinformation will become a criminal offence and is being defined as a path to terrorism.
So anyone guilty of posting misinformation will be a criminal/terrorist.
Naturally misinformation will be defined by the actual terrosists sat in Cabinet.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

The stated aim of Schwab is One World Government.

I stand by comments made yesterday that our so-called leaders deserve to be tried for treason.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

The Queen gets paid an estimated £200 million a year rent for the inconvenience of having off shore wind turbines disturbing her sea bed.
The likes of Cameron’s father-in-law gets £600 000 a year for hosting a dozen turbines on his estate.
The ruling class are making out like bandits from all this eco guff, this is the only reason they support it.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

It’s taxpayer farming AKA stealth-feudalism, let’s plan to ensure the globalists reap the whirlwind.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

Same thing with Boris and the covid fraud.
Boris has sold access rights to British people’s bodies to big Pharma.
The whole idea of the vaccine passport is to make life impossible for people unless they submit to being perpetual pharma customers that are injected with whatever is demanded whenever it is demanded -thus giving pharma a perpetual profit stream.
Undoubtedly the Tory party and the top players in the Tory party will get their cut in due course.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Book deals with ridiculous advances for pulp autobiographies is one of the more obvious ways.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Nothing but scams from the moment Johnson took over – including carrying on the scams of his predecessors!

Have we ever been the victims of such overt corruption in the entire Body Politic?

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

There is not even attempts to hide what they are doing. This is not euphemistic ‘daylight robbery’ this is in your face and what are you going to do about it THEFT?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

That’s what’s most scary. They’re not even trying to hide the looting.

dearieme
dearieme
4 years ago

“Nut zero” Are you hinting at Princess nut-nut zero?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  dearieme

Carrieservatism is a total disaster.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

She should stick to showing off at ‘Annabel’s’.

Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago

Off topic, but after 2 years of non compliance I’ve decided to start wearing a mask. Just in case a nuclear bomb is dropped, it’ll protect me.

Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Masks have magical powers, don’t they? The only reason my recent flight from Lisbon was able to take to the air was because all the passengers and cabin crew wore them. Thankfully, the air hostess, a Portuguese teenager, educated me on this subject. I was ignorant. And yes, as soon as I put it on, the plane took off. Amazing!

Obviously we were never told that Orville and Wilbur discovered the missing component to heavier than air powered flight was a bit of fabric over their mouths and noses. I am going to request from Kill Devil Hills museum that they add this information to their wonderful displays.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

You can get a fantastic fabric mask.
It has an image of a hot woman in stockings legs akimbo printed on it, as you are wearing the mask it looks as if you are providing her with a special service.
I wonder what the air hostess would makeof that?

Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Let me check The Science. I’m a bit out of date, the flight was on Saturday.

Doom Slayer
Doom Slayer
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Dont be silly. It wont protect you but it will your neighbour. And make sure they know you are talking those iodide tablets to protect them. And dont forget to duck and cover.

Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  Doom Slayer

The bomb is also there to protect others, all at the same time, permanently.

Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago
Reply to  Doom Slayer

Should I put my fingers in my ears or in my neighbours ears as I’m not sure who to protect from the bang?

Doom Slayer
Doom Slayer
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Well the kind and caring option is to put them in your ears to help keep them safe from said bang. The selfish option being to let them borrow your ear defenders.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Mind where you put your fingers in your neighbour – I see a potential “sex crime” possibility!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Doom Slayer

Those cupboards under the stairs were built with a cunning purpose- (another hint: newspapers over the windows too, to deflect the blast of course!)

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mikec
mikec
4 years ago

I’ve seen a number of polls that show the British public don’t believe the climate con and education, housing, immigration, wages and healthcare – the difficult things to do, rank far higher. Stop electing political parties, vote on policies (as long as they publish them!!!). Personally I will never vote Blue ever again.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  mikec

Brown went to court to ensure he didn’t have to follow what was in his manifesto.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

The only way to achieve net zero is to tow the British Isles out to the mid Atlantic and sink it

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Depopulation would be much easier. Stanley Johnson favours around 15 million!

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