Ever since the airing of his interview with Dr Robert Malone, a critic of the mass rollout of Covid vaccines, Joe Rogan has been under more or less constant attack from those who would have him cancelled.
First, celebrities like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell threatened to pull their music from Spotify unless the company dropped him. Spotify owns the rights to broadcast Rogan’s hugely successful podcast, ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’, after signing a $100 million deal with him in 2020.
Next, a group of 270 ‘experts’ (only 87 of whom were actually doctors) penned an open letter denouncing Rogan, and demanding that Spotify “immediately establish” a policy to “moderate misinformation on its platform”.
Then the singer-songwriter India Arie posted a video compilation of Rogan saying the N-word, leading to accusations of ‘racism’ and further calls for censorship. Though Rogan apologised, as far as I’m aware, he never actually called anyone the N-word. Rather, he uttered it while commenting on the term itself.
And, remember, it’s only in the last few years that you’re not even allowed to mention the N-word (in the sense of what philosophers call the use-mention distinction). Even President Biden said it out loud when quoting someone else in Congress in 1985. Should he now be cancelled?
In the most absurd twist yet, CNN ran a piece titled ‘Joe Rogan’s use of the n-word is another January 6 moment’, though the title was later changed.
One could be forgiven for assuming that the campaign to cancel Rogan has less to do with his supposed role in spreading ‘misinformation’ than the fact he doesn’t blindly parrot whatever narrative the media is pushing at any particular time. After all, he’s interviewed pro-vaccine scientists as well as those who’re more sceptical.
Rogan’s own position on the Covid vaccines is perfectly reasonable, and barely differs from what scientists like Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya have been saying. In April of last year, Rogan stated:
I’m not an anti-vaxx person. I said I believe they’re safe and I encourage many people to take them … My parents were vaccinated. I just said that if you’re a young, healthy person that you don’t need it.
Here’s the strongest way of framing the case against Rogan. By exaggerating the risks and downplaying the benefits of vaccines, or interviewing scientists who’ve done so, Rogan has discouraged people from getting vaccinated, which has cost those people their lives.
Even if this is true, I would say that mainstream media ‘misinformation’ has caused far more harm. So if you’re going to censor Rogan, you ought to censor all the big newspapers and TV channels as well. (Or better yet, don’t censor anyone.)
What do I mean? The media repeatedly told us that everyone needs to get vaccinated – regardless of age, health or prior Covid status. But if we’d refrained from vaccinating healthy young people, and those with a prior infection, we could have donated millions of vaccines to people in poor countries who actually needed them.
Insofar as it prevented us from donating vaccines at a time when doing so could have made a difference, the injunction to vaccine everyone has cost many more lives than anything Joe Rogan or his guests have said. And note: this injunction was partly based on yet another piece of ‘misinformation’ – that the vaccines stop transmission.
Even if we just consider ‘misinformation’ surrounding the vaccines, the mainstream media comes out looking far worse than Rogan (who, I’d remind you, has interviewed people on both sides of the debate). Add in the ‘lab leak conspiracy theory’ narrative, and there’s really no comparison.
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Indeed, Joe Rogan has not been broadcasting ‘misinformation’, he’s been broadcasting opinion.
By contrast, the media has been the equivalent of the Pyongyang news bureau in broadcasting the repackaged fake science of Trofim Lysenko and demanding everyone disagreeing be censored and shamed.
This is what the Danes say. Quite a U-turn. Straight from the Horse´s mouth.
https://en.ssi.dk/covid-19/typical-misinformation-regarding-danish-covid-numbers
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/yes-the-vaccines-were-supposed-to
Some misinformation providers
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/yes-the-vaccines-were-supposed-to
Didn’t they know by May that it didn’t prevent transmission? And for that matter did they know about the “extremely rare” myocarditis links by then? (And did we ever find out anything definite about Christian Erikssen? It seems it is still disputed).
It was clear to those of us who live in the real world before May last year that the vaccines didn’t prevent contraction or transmission. Only the “experts” remained convinced – or pretended to be – that this was not the case. It is also true that someone who is not vaccinated poses ZERO “threat” to someone who is, which makes the vicious campaign against by the media and certain politicians so utterly disgraceful!
Almost everything about covid from MSM, almost every government, public health body, academic institution, Big Pharma, etc has been a Big Lie
It’s the biggest lie ever told in human history, by far
Yes and currently the children are the innocent victims of the Big Pharma lies! But nobody seems to care!
What horrifies me is the extent to which it has been believed. I found the atmosphere of hysteria astonishing in March 2020, and since then there seems to have been what looks alarmingly like a willing suspension of disbelief.
Were people’s lives so dull that they believed anything that seemed exciting? How could they accept restrictions they had never before encountered as civic duties incumbent upon their entire society?
Dutifully brought upon us by our caste of politically and socially leading Quislings.
Police Came To Arrest Protesters in Canada, and then THIS happened ….
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Instead of framing it the pious, virtue-signally way of ‘saving poor people overseas by giving them our unused jabs’, we could have just stuck to viewing it as both saving them and also people in our own countries from jab injury and death.
The Ministry of Propaganda has a message on how we move forward and live with Covid.
Don’t be alarmed, it’s definitely not misinformation..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5gvVZ7wSs&t=1s
Nasty business, cant be too careful. Thanks for sharing.
Do us a favour. Either actually use the word under discussion, or if that’s too horrifying a prospect, at come up with something snappier for it. I like “the rap-word”.
Pisses me off seeing it written as ‘the N-Word’. I’ve vented below about it.
“we could have donated millions of vaccines to people in poor countries who actually needed them.”
What have poor people ever done to you, Noah?
What an incredibly stupid suggestion.
Suggestion – put ‘cancelled’ in quotes? Let’s not use their silly language.
Done. See post below!
But are the deaths of those supposed poor countries higher or lower than those in the rich ones… I think we’d kill them more if we donated vaccines as their health systems are unlikely to be able to cope with the side affects.
I’m with you on this. The ‘undeveloped’ world seems to have weathered the last 2 years relatively unscathed. The only reason to give them vaxxes would be to emulate those drug dealers who give the unwary a free ‘taste’ in the hope of stimulating a more lucrative future relationship.
Unscathed in terms of “covid”. Disastrous in other ways (can you still say “third world” or is that now banned like “BAME” (apart from in NHS job ads) and “N-word”?).
A reminder. Current “covid” deaths in Kenya (a country with a similar population to England) according to Worldometer are currently 5,633. A country where people went hungry and teenage girls had to do “bad things” to survive as a result of lockdowns around the world, including the UK’s, which badly hit their vital flower exports, and with no equivalent generous furlough scheme. Never forget.
The MSM misinformation and censorship of truth is still happening – shock pictures of young children being force vaccinated (wrongly, without aspiration of the syringe to ensure the the needle has not gone into a vein) in Dorset posted today -surrounded by Disney characters!
Myocarditis in children caused by the injections anyone? Vaccine of no value to children and much more dangerous than a virus that does not affect them ?
No-one in Government media the least bit interested. What else is being concealed by the “real news” Media blackout ?
In Dorset?!! So human rights violations not just in the Democratic Republic of Congo or tyrant Trudeau’s Canada or Austria, but here in England? A new low.
The mainstream media has it in for Rogan because they can only dream of drawing the audiences he attracts. Not once has it occurred to them why it might be that audiences are flocking to Rogan while simultaneously abandoning “trusted news sources.” They arrogantly presume it is because us thickos don’t appreciate proper journalism but on the contrary it is because the mainstream media no longer questions anything and often manipulates its audience with outright dishonesty (the “horse paste” nonsense being a good example).
The mainstream media’s modus operandi is to parrot the establishment narrative and shut down any alternative. Why would anyone choose to tune in to that? Why should anyone care what these people have to say? At least Rogan treats his audience as adults who can make up their own minds and is genuinely curious about the subjects he talks about.
As for Neil Young and Joni Mitchell, just another couple of frightened old boomers who have completely lost touch with reality after two years of brainwashing. None of us should be taking directions from the mentally ill.
I suppose Neil and Joni are straining for updated relevance, since ‘enthusiasts’ listen mainly to their early back-catalogues.
I don´t think they own their catalogues any more. There are other people calling the shots.
During the Irak war (ok, that’s already a long time ago for a lot of people) CSNY did a protest album & tour. I have that and quite liked it at that time, ie, before I stopped believing in counterculture-anything due to learning how it transformed into current practice. It’s also a bit unclear why rich older people would strain for relevance. The idea that they’re actually afraid of The Terrible Rona[tm] due to belonging to a so-called vulnerable group seems more plausible to me.
“But if we’d refrained from vaccinating healthy young people, and those with a prior infection, we could have donated millions of vaccines to people in poor countries who actually needed them.”
yes. literally no point vaccinating me while vulnerable people abroad go without.
the covi-panickers do not have the moral high ground. they are vaccine nationalists
Indeed, Joe Rogan has not been broadcasting ‘misinformation’, he’s been broadcasting opinion.
By contrast, the media has been the equivalent of the Pyongyang news bureau in broadcasting the repackaged fake science of Trofim Lysenko and demanding everyone disagreeing be censored and shamed.
That’s a great analogy!!
Totally agree about MSM, also the nightly media bulletins, nothing to reassure anyone. But the comment ‘I’m not an anti-vaxx person. I said I believe they’re safe and I encourage many people to take them … My parents were vaccinated. ‘ is no argument. People took many things in the past that we wouldnt recommend now.
I’d recommend a pinch of salt be taken with virtually anything in the MSM.
Remember folks, recommended daily max for sodium is 2.6 grams, which might required rationing your exposure to MSM output.
Interestingly, perhaps, the BBC’s Covid in Africa Tracker seems to suggest that the poorest countries, least able to afford the vaccine, which might have benefitted from the donation of supplies as suggested, have the lowest death rates from Covid… go figure, as our American friends might say!
A lot have gone ivermectin and CHQ route, with greater success than the West’s expensive vax drive. But Fauci doesn’t want you to know that.
The murderous Eugenicist Neo-Nazi establishment are apoplectic because it would appear that Rogan has woken a few million compliant cretins from their Government induced psy-ops coma! He’s still poking the globocap Wasps nest with his latest interview with Steven E Koonin! Good man, keep it up Joe
They seem to have adopted absurd twists as their USP at the increasingly irrelevant CNN.
I wonder if the medics will switch off their life support, or whether they’ll be left to gasp their last.
Here’s the strongest way of framing the case against Rogan. By exaggerating the risks and downplaying the benefits of vaccines, or interviewing people who’ve done so, Rogan has discouraged some people from getting vaccinated, and this – in turn – has cost those people their lives.
That’s no case. Rogan hosts a show, he’s not an evil sorcerer. Hence, his words have no direct power over either people or things. That some people claim to believe otherwise is of no consequence. And since the dead are dead, they can’t serve as witnesses for some case anymore and no one can legitmitately claim to be a spokesperson for them unless he considers himself to be a psychic (hopefully the correct term).
Side conclusion: If Corona’s Witnesses (and wokester in general) are serious about the need to fight against words of evil power and in speaking on behalf of the dead, they must believe in magic.
“Here’s the strongest way of framing the case against Rogan. By exaggerating the risks and downplaying the benefits of vaccines, or interviewing people who’ve done so, Rogan has discouraged some people from getting vaccinated, and this – in turn – has cost those people their lives.”
This is merely a justification of censorship, which can be extended to anything those holding the levers of power wish to determine/pretend might lead people to doing the wrong thing.
I know that. But they’re essentially accusing Rogan of witchcraft. And that’s nonsense. The weasel-wording doesn’t change this.
‘This in turn has cost people their lives’, there is no more proof than those saying the vaccine has saved lives, how do they know people would have died, the av. age of dying is still 82
This is a quote from Carl’s article and not a statement I made. I’ve addressed a specific point of that I wanted to address. Other points can be addressed as well. But this would be better done in a comment that’s not related to mine.
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/085/284/838/original/b77baae8ab60b848.mp4
Thanks, I did realise that and was re quoting a point from the statement
News from Canada. Trudeau and Canadian government have interests in Pfizer…
https://youtu.be/GH83mObwP1M
Shock. Horror.
Do let me know when one of these crooks doesn’t have interests…
EXPOSED: Neil Young heavily linked to big pharma and Pfizer (poptopic.com.au)
“On January 6, 2021, Neil Young sold half of his catalogue to Merck Mercuriadis’ Hipgnosis Song Management company. Later that year Hipgnosis merged with Blackstone in a USD$1Bn deal. However, just a month before the merger Blackstone announced that they appointed Pfizer’s former Chairman and CEO Jeffrey B Kindler as the company’s Senior Advisor.”
Another one…
Only idiots believe that a politicised ‘consensus’ about dubitable scientific questions in the MSM justifies absolute faith in those shifting questions and hatred of those who point out holes in them.
In short, most people are fools who do not know what science is nor how it works. They swallowed The Science and cannot now regurgitate it.
I wonder what the consensus is among physicians and medical scientists (including those who are retired or no longer working for them) who definitely do not have links to the pharmaceutical industry?
The ‘N-Word’. FFS! Context is everything and how you use a word is paramount. More woke bullshit. You can’t say that word if white, even as a quote, but can if any other colour, even mixed race and in many forms of music is thrown about as if it’s word of the week.
Isn’t that racist?
I seem to remember that some people in the North of England have been proven to have African ancestry from when the Romans were here…
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Did we ever find out if “the N-word” can still be used on LS?
So far as I’m concerned, The Dambusters is a nice family film, but maybe it would be considered 18 rated now?
I’ve no wish to offend anyone. Still, I’d like to know what year this word became x-rated, and why nobody should be allowed to use it in any context now – apart from groups who are allowed to use it.
I assume that Trudeau will face being “cancelled” on similar grounds…
I understand Neil Young is is back on Spotify, just didn’t tell anybody.
Prosecuting Fauci should reveal much about the origins of this malaise.
If anyone out there is a christian, know that Joe Rogan is an anti-christian bigot, a freemason/satanist with links t o church of satan’s Stanton LaVey.
So what?
Jesus H Christ…… I’m with Ricky Gervais on all this. Everyone has the right to offend anyone, by saying anything, as long as not inciting violence. Then anybody who is offended can either leave, or retort, or call-out anything that is blatant misinformation. Those rights to free speech are being cancelled by this virtue signalling, woke, lefty nonsense!!!….and Science is a debate of theories and analysis, slowly refined to an agreed position based on proven facts.
There is no trial on the use of mRNA vaccines in those with previous infection.It is not only MSM but supine clinicians and scientists who are aware that masks don’t work and vaccines are leaky and most importantly that the unvaccinated carry no measurable risk.Vaccination of 5 year olds! We need a U.K. Joe Rogan
Instead of donating useless vaccines how about use the money wasted on them to build a decent health service? (not a new thought I know)
If by “poor countries” you mean Africa and India, take a look at their per-capita death rates. They’re at the BOTTOM of the table. If you really want to save lives via the vaccine, then just don’t give it to anyone, and instead use the well-known, provably ‘safe and effective’ therapeutics for both preventative and early-stage treatment.
Joe Rogan hasn’t ”caused any harm”.