Natural immunity from previous infection remains strong against Omicron, particularly with respect to severe disease and death, a study from Qatar has found.
The study, published in the NEJM, included all reported infections in the country, excluding only those with Ct value over 30 to avoid non-infectious and false positives. The study is a follow-up to one we reported in December, with the new study including results for Omicron (we have previously linked to the pre-print version).
The researchers used a test-negative case-control design and matched cases to controls according to sex, 10-year age group, nationality, and calendar time of PCR testing to avoid biases and confounders. The limitations of a test-negative case-control design need therefore to be borne in mind.
The topline finding was that previous infection was 92% protective against Delta and 56% against Omicron – so reinfection is significantly more likely with Omicron but protection is still strong. Two Omicron reinfections became severe, but none became critical or fatal. Here are the result in full, with the table below.
The effectiveness of previous infection in preventing reinfection was estimated to be 90.2% (95% confidence interval [CI], 60.2 to 97.6) against the Alpha variant, 85.7% (95% CI, 75.8 to 91.7) against the Beta variant, 92.0% (95% CI, 87.9 to 94.7) against the Delta variant, and 56.0% (95% CI, 50.6 to 60.9) against the Omicron variant. Sensitivity analyses confirmed the study results, as expected for this study design, which is robust regardless of the approach that is used to control for vaccine-induced immunity. An additional analysis that was adjusted for the interval since previous infection also confirmed the study results.
Among the patients with reinfection, progression to severe COVID-19 occurred in one patient with the Alpha variant, in two patients with the Beta variant, in no patients with the Delta variant, and in two patients with the Omicron variant. None of the reinfections progressed to critical or fatal COVID-19. The effectiveness with respect to severe, critical, or fatal COVID-19 was estimated to be 69.4% (95% CI, −143.6 to 96.2) against the Alpha variant, 88.0% (95% CI, 50.7 to 97.1) against the Beta variant, 100% (95% CI, 43.3 to 100) against the Delta variant, and 87.8% (95% CI, 47.5 to 97.1) against the Omicron variant. Limitations of the estimations (e.g., the relatively young population of Qatar) are discussed in Section S1.
Overall, in a national database study in Qatar, we found that the effectiveness of previous infection in preventing reinfection with the Alpha, Beta, and Delta variants of SARS-CoV-2 was robust (at approximately 90%), findings that confirmed earlier estimates. Such protection against reinfection with the Omicron variant was lower (approximately 60%) but still considerable. In addition, the protection of previous infection against hospitalisation or death caused by reinfection appeared to be robust, regardless of variant.
Other studies, including one from Qatar, found vaccine immunity waned much more quickly than natural immunity. Natural immunity is topped up by repeated exposure to the same or similar viruses, which sometimes results in mild illness but, as the results from Qatar show, rarely progresses to anything serious.
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I’m deeply suspicious about all of these party stories from 2020 surfacing now. Methinks someone wants to get rid of Johnson in order to replace him with someone more willing to enforce EU-style corona restrictions.
NB: In my opinion, Johnson should certainly go, or rather, be kicked out. But because of what he inflicted on the people of England, not because, he, too, like everyone else, broke every Corona restriction he could break.
It’s no coincidence, get rid of Boris and you rinse the public’s perception of wrong doing by providing someone to blame. That’s all these straw men exist for, there is no government in reality. Fauci is being prepared for sacrifice in a similar way, watch the lab leak theory gain traction in the media, and watch intelligent people fall for it hook, line and sinker.
They have worked the numbers and know vaccination uptake is tailing off, so it’s time for the next phase of the agenda, and that requires fresh faces to sell it.
But was it Moderna’s lab it leaked from?
“It’s no coincidence, get rid of Boris and you rinse the public’s perception of wrong doing by providing someone to blame.”
Cf. how Tony Blair is widely remembered as the war criminal he is, but Gordon Brown, who was a senior figure in Blair’s cabinet and in his war cabinet throughout Blair’s entire stint at Number 10 and who is therefore just as much a war criminal, is remembered as “austere Gordon”.
So, leaked DARPA document is a …..plant/forgery/something else? Fauci has been walking the political green mile for many months; he has been up to his neck in this for decades as revealed in massive detail by David Martin; Farrar saw the light and quit SAGE, van Tamm equally so and will disappear into academia having been party to wreaking massive financial, mental and physical health havoc on the UK since early 2020.
Johnson may well be the fall guy, but it might become very clear very quickly that Project Fear is to return – with viruses and EU as the subjects.
Politicians know Covid 19 is a scam and Climate change is a scam. They are part of the scam.
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Excellent; I agree.
@RW – Agreed it strongly looks as though powerful figures want Boris Johnson out – and they are likely to get him out too. I’ll be very surprised if he’s still in office in February.
As for the story about a “member of his immediate family” testing positive, then assuming it’s not one of his children, nor himself, and also assuming it’s true, then the only person it could be would be his wife, and why not say so? (Is she out and about? I have no idea, but the in-crowd will certainly know.) I don’t believe the story for a moment. More likely, he’s on his knees every day to US and Israeli diplomats, probably by now negotiating the Etonian or Sonning equivalent of making it to Heathrow before he gets clapped in handcuffs. There are many things that could ruin his reputation to a point where he’d be as unwelcome in the worlds of book publishing or after-dinner speeches as “Prince” Andrew already is.
The Christine Lee story is probably to pull the rug out from under Jeremy Hunt (an Old Carthusian – don’t laugh.)
Incidentally, I recall that Dominic Cummings has an interest in the Chinese state’s intelligence activities. (On Cummings: I imagine he wants to put a useful idiot into Number 10 before replacing said idiot with Michael Gove in a year or two’s time. Whatever might be said about Mr Cummings, his horizon does stretch more than five minutes into the future.)
Other rivals of whoever the chosen replacement for Johnson is may get similar treatment if they start getting too cocky.
Is anybody getting ramped yet in the Torygraph?
Who are these figures and what harm do they have planned for us? Is the EU demanding th eUK falls into line with their overt Fascism? Is Blair in the centre doing his rounds? We know he advised Gove of imposing vax passes.
We need Johnson to stay until we know what is really going on.
I agree. He shouldn’t be allowed to escape. No-one can undo the harm he’s allowed to be caused (always assuming he ever had any power at all) but as the frontman he should be punished by being made to squirm and snigger for as long as possible, and be the whipping boy for all those who’ve suffered terrible deprivation and heartache. He should NOT be allowed to slip into the shadows.
We need a full confession from him of what has been going on!
‘Thumb screws’ perhaps?
Well put. The only problem with Johnson going is that he will be replaced by someone who is even more of a lockdown fanatic.
0r even “greener”; i.e. even more willing to comply with the UN and WEF agendas.
EU using its many ‘sleepers’ in our Parliament to get rid of Johnson to impose the Full Nazi on the UK as UVDL wants?
Surely the logic of what you say must be that Johnson should stay unless we want total lockdown tyranny and forced vaccinations?
The sudden orchestration and drip feed release of all the party evidence suggest an organised plot – a campaign to get rid of his – but who are the backstabbers and what are their motives?
We can no longer trust this non-Conservative Conservative party of self-serving chancers with anything- least of all our medical health and our freedoms !
Trouble is Johnson and jabit are also pro vax tyrants , are you suggesting they’re now too weak to mandate jabs for all ?. Several Steve James character assassination pro forced injection articles doing the rounds this week , the government propaganda unit obviously kick starting in earnest.
My money is on Cummings – a Bolshevik if there ever was one.
Yes, much of it seems like diversionary tactics. Like the dripping of optimism to soften us up. Something wicked this way comes, perhaps?
Toby, a question: why is it the more left-leaning the politician, the more restrictive the lockdown measures?
Why the greater push for vaccines regardless of civil rights of necessity?
Why, if they knew the restrictions were pointless, did they flaunt them so flagrantly, eg, Pelosi, Newsome, Whitmer, Lightfoot, and our own deeply hypocritical politicians?
Because a greater number of them are deep state beneficiaries and employees. Many conservatives too, but more of them have their own businesses. How did Pelosi make her millions? She doesn’t have businesses. No-one seems to care.
Another Toby, Toby Green wrote a good piece on this and the failure of the left. It was on Unherd I think.
Pelosi is simply bat crazy!
Because The Left (as in grasping politicos and hangers-on, not people with real left wing views) see that the only way they will get their feet under the table is to offer more to the Davos crowd than the incumbents. Bliar is the epitome of that.
Dear Toby
You are Associate Editor at the Speccie and an engaging columnist and so it is disappointing that you so readily misuse of the term “to beg the question”, even though your points are otherwise well made. Could I recommend some revision of logical fallacies – did they not teach you this at Oxford?
No point just hinting at this: Begging the question refers to circular reasoning, Latin petitio principii, ie, a situation where the conclusion of some argument (or chain of arguments) is identical to one of the premises.
And while you’re about it, Toby, learn the difference in meaning between to pour over and to pore over.
”Death of the subs”, perhaps?
A more likely explanation is excessive use of spool chuckers.
I’ve decided that they knew by May 2020 that covid was nowhere near as risky as they’d originally thought, but by then they’d started to enjoy all the power they’d managed to give themselves. Beyond this, they’d also have had to explain to the country why they’d ruined the economy, given gazillions to pharma companies to develop vaccines etc etc.
So they thought the best thing to do would be to keep up the pretence.
they knew that before they imposed the first lockdown based on data out of Italy and the cruise ship.
and given the entire world knew this it really strains credulity to believe it was all “just a cock-up” for them all to lockdown at the same time.
In short – a conspiracy without precedent against the people of the world by the Elites in support of handing Global Hegemony to China and its repressive, paranoid ‘Social Model’ while concentrating all the world’s wealth into the hands of Billionaire Oligarchs, Banks and Corporates.
The model involves eliminating at least 15% of the world’s population ( Gates’ figure) or most likely many more – the ridiculous figure of 500,000,000 as a desirable world population has been widely circulated.
They have given themselves until 2030 to achieve it and seem to have made a good start.
It look increasingly like comprehensive Health and Social Care in the UK is to be withdrawn from many of those who most need it.
Sacking over 120,000 Health Service Workers for exercising what used to be their Human Rights to bodily autonomy for refusing to take endless injections of a product they have seen the damaging consequences of at first hand, ought to play its part in crashing the system!
The same policy is being orchestrated in lock-step across the whole Western ( formerly democratic ) world as we enter the “post democratic age” of totally brutal tyranny and total indifference to human life.
Just imagine the effect the withdrawal of effective Health and compassionate Social Care will have on the mortality rate among all those “useless mouths”, “deplorables” ( Clinton) and undersirables.
The Chinesse have come up with an even easier way to depopulate – you just starve people by keeping them under full house-arrest (as in Gi’an). Taking their cue from Stalin and what he did to the Ukrainians.
The change of definition of pandemic is a positive marker for the start of the fraud. The latest WHO definiton no longer has a requirement for fatalities, so the common cold is now a pandemic.
The word ‘pandemic’ is meaningless if it encompasses say a global new Black Death and the common cold.
Another marker was the UK government withdrawal of the High Consequence Infectious Disease designation shortly before it hit the UK.
Then there were changes to definition of cause of death, case, infection, along with removal of need for autopsy, and reliance on a nonsense PCR test.
Choice supportive bias
Confabulation
Escalation of commitment
Mission creep
Disconfirmed expectancy
Magical thinking
Fanaticism
Denialism
Delusion
Wishful thinking
Sunk cost fallacy
Foot in the door technique
But did they think it was risky at the time because they knew exactly where it had come from and how?
Across the whole of the western world?
Lockstep?
I can’t buy this I am afraid. If this were the case, they would have had a perfect opportunity in the Summer of 2020 to relax restrictions as cases and hospitalisations dropped to near zero and claim that they had won a stunning victory against the virus and it was all worth the costs. If they had stopped testing at that point, the pandemic would have been over. Instead, they introduced facemask mandates and we were clearly on course for another round of lockdowns in the winter.
In order to usher in the jabs under EUA
Yes, we need to stop pretending that this Regime has our interests at heart when they are merely applying the orders of their Globalist Masters.
We see clearly the total contempt in which their party- time “operatives’ hold the British people -the “plebs” ( Andrew Mitchell)
If you watch the excellent JP Sears on YouTube, taking the piss out of all and sundry with his ‘We Lie to You News’, you’ll see in his recent video The Narrative is Crumbling 16 Reasons Why that he poses the question – are they backing off to confuse us?
I think they realised that Covid was not as risky as they hoped!
Not to worry…… their jabs will continue to do their work.
If you listen/watch the briefing from Prof Wittery on 11 May 2020, it is very clear that he (and vacuous Vallance) knew very well that it wasn’t dangerous to many. He sounds measured and informative and reassuring – no doubt after this someone had a word in his shell-like and told him to wind his neck in, perhaps dangling a carrot – who knows?
”UK Gov’t confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people” – Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be
In Laura Dodsworth’s book she noted how early on Johnson was uttering the ‘build back better’ mantra. Note, you need to do enough damage or demolition first before you rebuild.
The planned it, they had to go through with it. They knew it was fake. Most of the excess deaths were people on vents sedated to death with midazolam, often in hospital for other reasons which they were not treated for so they died on covid wards, or they died in their domestic homes (approx 4000 excess deaths a month in this category for 18+ months). We were supposed to be on lockdowns for years. Trump has stopped this with operation warp speed. Their agenda is struggling as the people are fearful but not beaten down enough to accept vaccine passports. People can see the vaccines are not working and are causing harms, so the booster take up hasn’t been enough to get us all on the digital identity train. And you cannot force/mandate vaccines still in trial. We have A LOT to thank Trump for and it ain’t over yet.
Discovered that someone I know was persuaded by a forceful article in that renowned ‘Medical Journal’ – “The Daily Mail ” to rush out and take the booster he had been hesitating over………it apparently convinced him of the superiority of ‘vaccine’ delivered “immunity” (?) over natural immunity – words simply fail.
It ought to be against he law to lie to millions over the consequences of accepting an intrusive irreversible medical procedure. Apparently not.
But we do see how easy successful marketing makes it for anyone to become a ‘Snake Oil’ billionaire!
The following is based on a presentation on the Spike Protein shots give by Dr Peter McCulough on 3rd December
“The potentially hazardous mechanisms of action of the shots resulting in cell, tissue and organ damage
The presence of harmful spike protein in donated blood
Lack of genotoxicity, teratogenicity and oncogenicity studies
The effects of bioaccumulation in women’s ovaries
The potential for reduced fertility
The lack of a data and safety monitoring board (DSMB) to oversee clinical trials and post-market surveillance
The lack of human ethics committee to oversee clinical trials
The lack of restrictions on exempted groups from randomized controlled trials (RCTs) such as pregnant women, women of childbearing potential, COVID survivors (previously immune)
The lack of risk stratification for hospitalization and death in the clinical trials
The lack of data transparency
The lack of public risk mitigation (early and at-home treatment options)”
“The paper was sent to every health and regulatory agency in the world. Here we are in early 2022 and, well, you can see what the response was. It’s been nonexistent.”
I have a hospital appointment next week. They insist I undergo a COVID PCT test before I’m allowed the procedure, I do not believe that the PCR test is useful. Do I have any recourse? Can the hospital actually deny me the medical procedure due to their “policy”? I believe it is medical malpractice for them to deny me treatment for a conditionI that I am currently suffering with on the basis of the hypothetical fractional possibility that I might transmit COVID to someone else.
Can anyone suggest any experts I can contact to assist me?
Tell them that because of a childhood psychological trauma that you don’t want to discuss (because it will upset you), you have an irrational fear of having a PCR swab forceably shoved up your nose. No idea if that will work but worth a try.
They simply say “Hospital policy says no PCR, no procedure”
The miriaf website has a letter. Letter to private hospital challenging pre-surgery PCR test requirement – Miri AF
Thanks, DS99, that is useful. Is there any data on how useful/successful these letters have been?
LOL!
Drop me a line; I have a bridge for sale….
anytakers@suckersareus.com
To describe members of the public, who still believe this evil charade, as fools is rather overstating their status!!
It seems to me to be highly likely that some at least of those present at the parties were WFH and had travelled in specially to socialise, doubtless risking their own and other people’s lives in the process (sic). The people in number Ten are better able to assess the actual danger than almost anyone else in the country, and they clearly saw that there was little or none. It’s a shame they couldn’t bring themselves to tell that truth to the rest of us.
As evidenced by the fact none of them have dropped dead of Covid despite partying every other day during the lockdowns
Meanwhile check out he number of children and other ages who have died after being forced to take the injections.
The fact is they knew that they were risking no-one’s lives as they all know it is a scamdemic!
And like every other country in world they had the 350 pages of legislation ready. Even DS is rather quiet on the barbaric events going on in France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Australia, Canada – why have the political class in all these countries subjected their people to systematic psychological and physical abuse.
That’s the question. My reading is that there are two crises in play, a fake one for us, the plandemic, and the real one. An imminent collapse of the economic system which they hope to fix by corralling everyone on to CBDCs. There’s no other way to explain the desperation they are displaying to force everyone to get on board. They haven’t just become evil (their actions are) ; they are panicking about imminent unrest and financial disintegration. That’s the only way I can make sense of it.
And their actions, so far, have been counterproductive if the aim is to counter unrest.
Unrest? They would welcome it – they can use the brutal force they have planned against unarmed civilians and lock people up in their new giant prisons. The can ensure there would be no coverage on the BBC.
Ask Mr Gates for his views on the desirable level of world population and how it might be achieved – he is very free with his answers!
He has a huge investment in the process at every level !
Isn’t it getting to be time to think the unthinkable?
Exactly.
Lord Tyrannus was a Nero figure: lazy, incompetent, disengaged. He neither knew the measures were pointless nor cared. So it wasn’t cockup so much as negligence and letting junior staff set the agenda. It wasn’t a conpiracy either since Tyrannus had no meaningful impact on policy. Underlings were scrambling for approaches and by default globalist policies creeped in. Tyrannus failed at cockup and failed at conspiracy; de facto we witnessed the effects of each.
Something kind of patronising about ‘conspiracy-minded friends’. You have constructed a mind prison for yourself with that kind of language, which is precisely why the only explanation you can think of is the only explanation you can think of. Read Bobby Kennedy’s book. It might not be the last word, but it certainly shows how these things are co-ordinated, planned, executed. No conspiracy in sight. Just the way the world works. People get together with goals and try to achieve them. Why is that so hard to believe?
It’s really a pathetic version of self censorship. Once that bridge is crossed you lose access to all the income from “comment Pieces” in the various lamesteam papers.
Well put.
Excellent point loop. Take for example the incredible scene in RFK’s book where Gates meets Fauci in his library with the awesome dome and they link pinkies and agree to fuck the world over together. If that’s not a ‘conspiracy’ then the word is meaningless. But go on, blame status anxiety, or something.
Loop, you’re killing me with these comments. Ok, I’ll keep going. RFK demonstrates with scrupulous detail and more footnotes than you will ever look up exactly how the Simulation/Roleplaying/Scenario industry evolved after 2000 to create co-ordinated policy responses to these kind of events. There’s your conspiracy, right there, in plain sight. And by conspiracy, I mean, conspiracy, people getting together in rooms to plan preferred outcomes. I absolutely challenge you Toby to read RFK then write a piece about how there are no conspiracies, none, zip, nada or at least none that you can think of.
Those of us who can see clearly what’s happening find The Great Reset (the conspirators’ words, not ours) not “exciting,” as Toby writes, but really horrifying! If the criminals who hatched this conspiracy and all their eager accomplices who are carrying it out ever come to face justice, that will be exciting.
Could be in “Godfather IV “- if the film is ever to be made
But as I suggest below, globalist policies are not necessarily imposed by those with globalist convictions. So is it still conspiracy if the leadership just went along with whatever the tea boy put together, out of blase laziness?
“Going along with” had people hanged at Nuremberg!
Tea boys never get the blame! They merely resign…
You’re absolutely right but I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt; he needs to be careful with his words and not alienate his audience. I think he understands that there are, let’s say, plots at work.
My experience is that they flatly refuse to read anything which contradicts their cosy narrative – they have such a shock coming!
They cling to the rubber dummy of the BBC and the “Daily Mail”.
Chew on this:
https://spanishnewstoday.com/anticovid-chewing-gum-to-hit-the-market-in-spain_1717199-a.html
There’s money to be made out there….
DM reported this being trialled weeks ago – Dr Michael Mosely’s column on Sat.
There is now such a massive covid industry built up around all of the BS that there is no way it will be going away any time soon. Too many people stand to lose too much money. Too many contracts to be awarded with – possibly – backhanders to benefit from.
Are there really any political opponents when all sides sing from the same hymnsheet?
What did he know of the Midazolam euthenasia policy in care homes?
Enquiring minds want to know.
What’s the difference between Blair, Cameron, Macron, Trudeau and Varadkar?
No, I don’t know either.
Their names are all synonyms of cunt?
“I believe the reason the Government imposed three lockdowns – and countless restrictions in between – was because it calculated it was better to be seen to be doing something to try to suppress the virus rather than just ‘letting it rip’.”
Nope. Totally disagree.
Lockstep Western lockdowns were designed to destroy the life blood of economies, small and medium sized businesses.
As I’ve already said several times this week, they met because they weren’t afraid, and they weren’t afraid because they knew there was nothing to fear. Or almost nothing. They were afraid that people would die, and they’d be blamed for not doing something. Lockdown was something, so they did it. But they had no intention of abiding by it themselves, because they knew, deep down, that it was all theatre.
Nice try, Toby, but no cigar.
Does Toby actually think Boris had any say in the lockdown ?
This was all started by the Chinese (and jumped on by other world leaders who hated him) to get rid of Trump. Much to their surprise, and thanks to the massive voter fraud at the US election, their plan worked; after that, and seeing how easy it was to control 95% of the plebs, they found it (are finding it) hard to let it go. Most governments have now given themselves new powers to combat any emergency, so how soon before the next emergency has them flexing their power-crazed muscles again? You only have to look south of the equator to see how some leaders are relishing their new powers. imho
Next question – given that the people at the party chose to ignore their own advice on partying and presumably travel, are we really to believe that they have all been jabbed?
probab only with saline. I don’t think you are going to see Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and their like dropping dead with myocarditis any time soon.
Well, I suppose they have proved that they can organise a p×ss-up pretty well anywhere.
I think this is a fair analysis, particularly of the motives of the opposition and the other anti-Conservative parties who have demanded more restrictions rather than hold the government to account. It was never to protect the public, only a hope of blaming the government for infections and deaths. How sad for them that results have been worse in Scotland and Wales.
I was a nurse during the pandemic. The hospital was empty from March to June 2020. What i did see however was increased admissions for drug and alcohol abuse. Eating disorders skyrocketed and while I didn’t deal with suicides we know they increased. on one occasion we had to secure a room to stop a girl from cutting herself open to release the calories from her blood stream.
Patients we’re collapsing at home on the floor starving to death because no one visited them anymore. All the elderly that fell down the stairs and died from dehydration. The people who had heart attacks and were found dead a week later. People who had strokes and couldn’t crawl to the phone so they died alone on the floor.
I can’t believe our government partied, celebrated, danced and laughed while our vulnerable died alone. The idea that they “had to do something” doesn’t cut it.
Don’t just do something, stand there!
A lady I knew, in her early 40s, fell down stairs. She was taken to hospital, she was disorientated and being sick. Doctors did a quick examination and sent her home within a few hours. Her mother found her dead the following morning.
I would guess it’s more banal. It is more like the smoker who knows he’s risking lung cancer and supports anti smoking restrictions but can’t resist just this once when the situation is tempting.
LOL! Unless the smoker was just following the science…
ironically, didn’t the science show that smokers were less likely to die from covid?
Contract, I believe
I can see it now: Smoke twenty a day! Save RNHS!
Just this once?
The “parties” are in well over double figures now – I’m losing count, so, likely is the fabled Sue Gray who is supposed to do the inquiry into them. There are parties coming out of the woodwork on an almost daily basis – so many of them that I don’t see her managing to get her report out by Christmas.
It wasn’t “just this once”
I agree – but my hypothetical smoker keeps telling himself “just this once” or “this is a special case” and as a result does it multiple times. We are good at fooling ourselves.
And my point is – how many parties? they told themselves “just this once” and then went on to have party after party after party
Hmm, I believe Toby dilutes his case by referring to the wholesale horrors of the last two years as “these scandalls.”
Untold deaths and miseries are “scandals?”
And it ain’t over.
You’re in denial TY
Indeed. As normal, you’re largely right.
I’m reminded of the Iraq War. Even with significant opposition at the time of invasion, it took years (and a steady drip of injured and dead British soldiers arriving home) for opinion to decisively turn against the war.
The complexities of covid make it much less likely opinion will ever decidedly turn against the lockdowns. I suspect we will never really get the satisfaction of seeing our side widely vindicated in the forum of public opinion. Unfortunately it’s just too complicated for the average joe to care or think about. Instead they’ll focus on the hypocrisy of the charlatans we have as political leaders. Democracy is in a sorry state in our country. It would be better to introduce a merit based system to determine who can and cannot vote. Or perhaps skip the whole edifice of election and instead control everything through a direct system of online voting to replace Parliament. Representative democracy is not required now modern telecoms can provide every man voting at home on every issue. Screw those blow-hard MPs. They serve us badly.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind….
https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/moderna-novavax-vaccine-stocks-supreme-court-51642165803?mod=mw_latestnews
Why, Global Theatre, Agenda’s, Funding, Money……
Judge them by their actions and not their words. Thus their actions have confirmed what those with an IQ above a beer mat already knew – the ‘pandemic’ was over in Spring 2020.
I don’t care if they were having parties, it’s the rank hypocrisy of it all and I would quite like to know who were at these parties?
And by the way, who in their right mind would follow any more restrictions now?
@Toby – Just to respond to your hypothesis regarding the thinking that may have gone on in the heads of Boris Johnson et al, without going into the question particularly deeply: the idea could also be posited that they thought something like this:
I don’t think that’s how they thought at all. The British ruling class is fanatically Malthusian, so they definitely DON’T think like this. But it makes a bit more sense than the idea that Johnson et al, along with their counterparts around the world, believed that not doing anything and doing something would have similar effects, and that therefore for image reasons it would be better to be seen to be doing something.
Yes, politicians care about image first and foremost, but they don’t own the country. Those who do own it won’t take decisions that involve such huge amounts of money purely to help a few politicians with their image. If Johnson goes down in history as a dickhead whose incompetence killed a large number of British people, then even if that’s unfair to Johnson they don’t care. Economics comes first. You are ignoring the economics.
Could it be that at the time, that what some of the public wanted through MSM & government fear.
This, I think, neatly explains the actions at the top of the British Government. But it misses the larger story, the mass socio-psychological one: Once something (like the covid panic) get’s going, it becomes very hard indeed to stop it.
Once a story becomes entrenched in the greater public mind, it becomes pretty much impossible for them to let go of it. We’ve seen this phenomenon before. And it creates an out-of-control positive feedback loop. If Politician A promises to do X in response, then Politician B must promise to do X+1 (at least). And they’ll have the helpful media sniping at them from the sidelines, pretty much regardless of the outcome. And who is going to stop them?
I think Omicron is a perfect example of this. By the summer of 2021, due to a variety of reasons (and I’m including Britain’s mass vaccination campaign) – actual deaths and serious illness from covid had drastically declined. But the media, the politicians, the public, and institutional inertia (labour unions, healthcare panjandrums) didn’t want to let it go.
So they seized upon Omicron, a relatively benign mutation – albeit one that seemed less controllable via vaccine – to keep the rotten party going. Never mind “the science”, which South African doctors and scientists had shared with us.
And so we all had another socially distanced Christmas. And I’m forced to keep wearing masks in Church and shops.
Somehow we have to get out of this. But covid is no longer a medical story. It’s not even a political or technological one. Boris Johnson could resign tomorrow. But that’s not going to stop the covid gravy train from running. That can only come from the people.
“So Why Did They Impose Them”?
Easy, The WEF, Big Pharma and Bill Gates the Trilateral commission in Starmers case, the UN owned by the Global banks and Corporations, and China, own them, and they take the money.
They’re certainly not bright enough to make their own decisions, well that’s the easy get out for them, totally corrupt and rotten to the core is more like it.
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I believe the reason the Government imposed three lockdowns… was because it calculated it was better to be seen to be doing something to try to suppress the virus. In truth, I think the likes of Whitty and Van-tam effectively held a gun to Johnson’s head and told him the NHS would collapse if he didn’t do as they ordered. The only way for Johnson to survive this is by coming clean, admitting he was conned and the virus is no where near as deadly as the medical establishment claimed. Does he deserve to survive? No. But if he goes, I hope he takes some of the influential members of SAGE with him. Are the security services now investigating possible links between some members of SAGE and the CCP?
Johnson the Obese was on a ventilator for Covid so it’s unlikely he would say “the virus is no where near as deadly as the medical establishment claimed”.
The rest of us who are not obese, who had mild Covid even though I was 64 at the time can say it with more conviction.
I do not believe he was ventilated during a 3 day ICU stay, and was well enough to be discharged to Chequers on the 6th day after being admitted to ICU . That is simply not plausible. He may well have been in ICU, as a precaution however.
I was 63 at the time I got Covid just before Johnson, and slighly overweight 
Yes, I agree. I think it very unlikely that Johnson was as ill as the MSM claimed.
And I thought it decidedly odd at the time that the NZ nurse who said she nursed him in ICU was interviewed by MSM news stations and described his care. To me that was a sackable breach of medical confidentiality.
I cannot say what illness he was treated for in hospital, but my thinking is that it was just another part of the psyops. Put out info that dear leader’s life is hanging by a thread in ICU with covid to make everyone VERY afraid of this illness which is lurking around every corner even outside in the fresh air.
Yes…you are partly right Toby…The political calculus was/is that being seen to do something was better, so all the politicos were herded like sheep down the insane authoritarian route we have all endured the past couple of years (Because the politicians ‘scientific’ education was insufficient to perceive that #Covid19 is a data driven illusion) . Where I believe you are wrong, is your assumption they were in control. To my mind they were being controlled by #HMG (and greater forces such as #NATO) acting via the scientific/medical & financial establishment to re-assert and preserve their lost authority in the face of what they see as an existential threat, namely #Trump #Brexit #JiletsJaunes & the real need to #DeHydroCarbonise (Not because of the #ClimateChange hoax but because we don’t got enough… or three and a half billion years to make any more… ) I guess when you boil it down it’s all about power … Cest la vie…
Glad you ‘approved’ this post. Amused at how long it took you to do so
Thank you for all your incredible work. Keep it up, everything still to play for!
if you are a newbie then posts do take a while to be approved – irritating
I’m wouldn’t be surprised to see whitty, van Tam and valance involved in a gang bang whilst London was in tier 3 restrictions
Auurgh!
No! Who’d want to gangbang that three?
You really are a sucker for punishment Tobes.
I’ll leave it to the others to pick this apart more thoroughly, that said, the piece that caught my eye is the claim that 100,000 would die as a result of the pandemic. How can you say that with no attempt to quantify those numbers? 500,000+ die every year in this country, it’s called getting old/heart disease/cancer/etc!
A strong leader could have handled this so much better and would have been more than vindicated by now by listening to your ‘conspiracy-minded friends’.
I thought everybody on this site accepted that we have a “pandemic” driven only by positive tests, most of which, in the opinion of Mike Yeaton, for example, are false? Accepting the narrative of 100,000 deaths caused by the pandemic plays into the hands of the scaremongers. If he’s saying Boris knew 100,000 would die because of the pandemic measures he should say so – that’s are very different statement and might even be true.
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!”
Oliver Cromwell – April 20, 1653
What would he think today…?
I can’t help feeling that the outrage (entirely justified) at the parties and the somewhat benevolent focus on the imminent scrapping of some of the recent Covid rules are distractive air cover for the infrastructure of social control (e.g. Vaccine Passports) that has been put in place and will doubtless remain. This infrastructure will likely transform into the CCP social credit model, which was always the end goal. This will be linked to the ‘healthy living’ app and digital currency. It was never just about a virus.
Apparently Saj has just said Vaccine passports will be killed off in a couple of weeks….
Covid Passes to be Scrapped Within Two Weeks – The Daily Sceptic
Agreed, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t be held in reserve and morph into the CCP social credit app. I don’t trust a word that the government says.
But they still discriminate against unvaccinated people by mandatory vaccines for health and care, and by force isolating unvaccinated who test positive or are identified as close contacts.
Until they stop discriminating against the unvaccinated we’re not free.
Yeh, right. Like the lockdown was three weeks to squash the sombrero.
Is he going to give the same order to the devolved govts to also get rid of theirs?? until they are gone right throughout the UK they are not killed off
There is nothing easier than to play the public for fools. Fools, or rather gibbering idiots, is what they are.If it wasn’t obvious before the covvibollox, it most certainly is now.
The parties have done us all a favour really, who knew? The only conclusion anyone can come to, who isn’t rabidly Covidian, is that they weren’t that worried about the “novel” virus.
And the only thing that was ‘Novel’ about it was that it was ‘Tagged’ in a lab, to differentiate it from the good old common cold ….
Covid restrictions were necessary if “project fear” was to succeed, which it largely has. Project fear had to succeed because they want to get every arm filled with an experimental medication that the vast majority of the population don’t need. Every arm has to be jabbed, either because a) it’s the quickest way to turn every single human being into a digitized object with a pass/id controlling access to social/economic life, and/or b) it makes Big Pharma unbelievable shed-loads of moulah.
Must have been a cock-up. Still, it’s not over until the fat bozo sings.
I think they’re so hubristic, and so steeped in doublethink, that it genuinely never occurred to them that it was inappropriate. So yes, a cock-up.
Come, come, Mr. Young! The government didn’t need to be seen to be “doing something” about Nothing! A panic was deliberately raised about a virus with known antidotes. Governments all over the world acted in synch to frighten and restrict their citizens. All discarded their ready pandemic plans and adopted the same useless, illogical measures which further frightened, isolated, demoralized, impoverished and sickened the people. All now are forcing leaky, deadly injections.
The poobahs’ flagrant disregard for rules shows the virus didn’t scare them. (Probably they were taking hydroxychoriquin and zinc). And their breaking all the rules they set for others shows a flagrant disregard for the country and its people.
I think Toby is out of touch.
It’s not Jeff Bezos we’re worried about so much.
It’s Bill Gates.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/turning-of-the-tide-no-just-a-lull-in-the-storm/
Very good comment from Peter Evans on the above thread
Tom Penn writes in pessimistic mood today, and he can hardly be blamed for moments of despondency given the scale of “our” government’s duplicity and ruthlessness in implementing “Rockefeller-Medicine” lockdowns and a monomaniacally Covid-only ‘health’ regimen.
On occasions, we can all be forgiven for noticing what we are not supposed to notice – that, for example, the insane money-printing and stratospheric inflation it’s generating are almost certainly last-ditch efforts of a robber-baron financial elite frantically seeking to prevent a looming catastrophe of their own making. Namely, their desperate endeavours to stop the fiat currency system they’ve irretrievably exhausted from fully collapsing before they’ve implemented their new digital, worldwide programmable money slave system.
The Great Crash they fomented in 2007/8 through greed and fraud was never recovered from, and it’s in its dying days now.
But another way of thinking about this goes like this: the architects of the current darkness are heirs to the same surreally wealthy and megalomaniacal financial elites who have been financing blood-soaked wars for profit, usurious wickedness and covert governmental manipulation for centuries. They were exceedingly cautious to remain deeply in the shadows.
But today, the global financial crisis their unhinged system of insatiably ravening evil has created has forced them to step out of the murk and act desperately, to seize upon an almost-certainly lab-engineered coronavirus and convert it into an overhyped pandemic of media-fanned terror.
Their imagined salvation, a global Central Bank Digital Currency/Programmable Money system, requires immense authoritarian population control and the mass uptake of digitalised data passports (currently masquerading as ‘benevolent’ vaccine passports) – a system that is not quite ready, even though they know that they can’t prop up the existing system through printing money for much longer before massive insolvency capsizes the entire edifice.
The point of this is …. to remedy a system of evil, we have to see clearly its magnitude and reach.
What we see now is that that reach extends to just about all national governments, whose sovereignty has been almost vitiated through stealthily-crafted Global Public-Private Partnership arrangements that reduce them to mere enforcers of GloboCap’s think-tank-hatched policies.
So, we do have dark times to live through, but human thriving is rarely borne of bovine comfort. The accelerated evil is producing, in equally accelerating form, the very resistance it’s desperately trying to traduce as “misinformation” and “hate speech.
Boris Pasternak put our predicament, and our obligation, beautifully:
And the article was excellent too – “this isn’t a scaling back of the restrictions, it is just a lull before they bring in more”
Toby should read it and maybe re-think or edit his whole piece
So tens of thousands (and maybe hundreds of thousands have had to die from lockdowns and related measures (and maybe “vaccines”) just so that Peking Piffle could avoid blame from political opponents for “covid” deaths?
You know, sometimes I wonder if something does need doing about democracy (or at least what passes for it here).
If the object of Boris’s lockdowns etc etc was to be seen to be doing something to suppress the virus rather than letting it rip, why is it that I know that doctors were asking for supplies of Hydroxychloroquine to be made available very early in the pandemic, but were being told by their Health Boards a.k.a. HMG that they couldn’t have them?
I’m sorry Toby. This just does not hold together. They have made promises and plans and gone back on them time and time again.
“Flattening the curve” is the prme example. It flattened by the beginning of June 2020. This was not due to anything they had done. Had the interest been there to stop this whole sorry saga, they could have done it there and then – and claimed it was their doing.
Then there was the promise of the jab for the vulnerable only. Having achieved that, again they had the chance to stop the nonsense. But they continued towards coercion, mandates and jab passes. All against what they promised.
At every juncture, they have had the opportunity to pull the plug on the so-called pandemic and leave without too much egg on their shirts.They have constantly chosen not to do this. Enter the ‘conspiracy theories’ which repeatedly manifest as truths.
“We must do something. This is something. Therefore we must do it.”
The one good thing to emerge from these scandals is that it will make it harder for the political class to play the public for fools again.
I disagree. People are consumed with the hypocrisy not with the authoritarianism and loss of liberty. Allowing people to ‘vent’ at hypocrisy, resulting in a few changed faces, is like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
By getting people to vent at hypocrisy is a distraction and a deflection to preserve the totalitarianism. All totalitarian states do this: they have purges from time to time, but the real powers stay in charge.
Forget about Covid. WTF are the government doing having all these parties?
I doubt Paris Hilton has this kind of party schedule. Any other public office: Doctor, teacher, librarian. Drinking alcohol at work is forbidden.
By contrast at number 10 and the cabinet office. The most important public buildings in the land, it’s just wine and cheese, followed by a leaving do, followed by a BYOB then a Christmas party.
This lot seem to be getting pissed up every day of the week. You’re supposed to be running the country, not drinking like a bunch of university freshers. Do some damn work!
The UK took its lead from Europe. There is little material difference between our approach and the policies adopted elsewhere. The overreaction to the pandemic points to a deep seated malaise in western leadership in addition to the cynicism. The lockdowns achieved nothing. As the evidence mounted that this was the case, our leaders simply doubled down on their mistakes causing misery in their wake. How can they be trusted ever again?
Kia Ora from New Zealand. Our country is also caught up in this mandate madness. Spot on article about why the UK govt went about imposing various mandates because Government needs to be ‘seen to be doing something’. Also, particularly with masks, it’s an activity they can give people to make them feel as if they are ‘contributing’ something in the ‘good fight’ against covid, just like you give children a small task whilst cooking to make them feel important. That’s right, our governments treat us with contempt, like we are children. My fear is they will keep on all these restrictions after this minor pandemic has become endemic, simply because they can and find it all useful. Indeed, Mass Formation has been and is at work.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/pNsIjAFitsG2/
Reiner Fuellmich talking about the upcoming criminal charges against Teodros Gates Fauci et al. He says they have help from some in the German intelligence services the police and the army. The pharma companies have no immunity because this crime is premeditated and deliberate.
Wake up Toby Young. It is the Great Reset! You are in denial. What more evidence do you need? Lockdowns in lockstep around the world at the same time. Coincidence? Same language, same threats to the unvaxxed. Read Schwab, it’s all there for you. Not conspiracy. Fact!
Nothing to do with any medical reason; it was all about testing how we would react to the imposition of absolute control over us. Sadly far too many were willing to comply.
Can you clear up one point, please, Toby?
You claim that “Boris must have known that 100,000 Britons would die as a result of the pandemic”. Are you accepting 100,000 people died of Covid?
This throw away line opens a whole can of worms.
You failed to mention the role of the Public Sector Unions.
Basically, Johnson imposed the restrictions because he is a coward. He wouldn’t stand up to SAGE. the Unions, the Media or anyone else. So much easier to bully, threaten, gaslight and terrify the British people.
What a piece of work he is.
But a very well-paid piece of work. ”You just blather and sneer, PM – we’ll see to the rest..”
Your conspiracy minded friends were a lot more accurate than your less exiting truth, or should be rude to say bollocks!!
Please. Please ignore this silly distraction. We now have a terribly serious problem with the mRNA experimental biologicals. They are destroying lives. Watch today, Dr McCullough’s presentation on the Mercola website. Ignore the distraction. Please read everything you can on the safety issues in these mRNA experimental biologicals. It is horrifying. Take the authority you own. Take back your life, your children’s lives. No one should be coerced to take any experimental drug!
Not enough is said, and forcibly, that people should NOT be coerced or blackmailed into taking what is an UNLICENSED drug.
As you say, there are now too many distractions from this harm that’s being caused. It’s a pity more people are unable to stand firm and point out that their work contracts didn’t stipulate they’d be required to take part in a medical experiment in order to keep their position.
I wish it was going to be difficult to fool the public ever again. Fear mongering and poor education = malleable sheeple, easily frightened by their own shadows. Look how many are still wearing masks outdoors or while driving alone! I truly despair for our futures…
This analysis completely misses the point. They don’t / didn’t think the restrictions pointless. These people have an aristocratic mentality. They didn’t feel personally threatened by the virus. They thought that if enough peasants did as they were told that it would ‘save lives’. Their position is totally consistent with their behaviour. They just don’t consider themselves as part of the ‘population’ that needs to be controlled.
So how to explain this, from 11 May 2020? Why reassure us?
”UK Gov’t confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people” – Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be
Even if these ”lockdowns” were deemed by the majority of ”them” – nevertheless there could have been exceptions for extreme circumstances, such as the visiting of patients in hospitals. It is the downright cruelty of many of these ”rules” that is abominable. Someone actually sat down and thought up these particularly brutal punishments – knowing that they wouldn’t have to abide by them personally. There’s a special place in Hell for them. I hope they get there sooner rather than later.
”deemed necessary”
Downinggate!
I saw a very sensible point was made elsewhere – Sp!ked, I think…
We are in agreement that Boris and the Cabinet ignoring the protective regulations is a strong indication that they did not believe that those protective regulations would save them from a major disease. So, why did they put them in in the first place?
initially, this must have been because of trust in the Medical Advisors. If you are running a country, an accepted expert in their field says that a great threat is coming, and ALL the other evidence you have confirms this then you are going to put protection in – you can’t not do this.
Then, when it’s realised that it was pointless, you can’t back down. If you do, the opposition will slaughter you, and the people will vote you out.
You HAVE to pretend that it was all worth while. Which is why we still have mask rules…
Up to a point. They could easily have de-escalated a year ago and stuck to it, citing their former restrictions as ‘having worked’.
They can end masks tomorrow if they wish by citing OUR evidence against them.
Hardly anyone reads this website, so the public would never know we were right all along.
Credit where credit is due. Today’s Telegraph had its lead ‘covid’ letter from a true sceptic. The writer points out that the No 10 shenanigans show that they didn’t take the Covid business seriously, but asks why, even now, they continue to pretend it is.
They imposed them because they were following orders. A hint of deja vu re that phrase.