Perhaps the biggest barrier to ending the pandemic and its related interventions and theatre is the irrational fear that many people still have of the virus, a fear that ironically (though not surprisingly from a psychological perspective) grips the vaccinated much more than the unvaccinated. John Tierney in City Journal has crunched the numbers to help people come to a rational assessment of their risk.
It’s obviously not easy to give up fear of COVID-19, to judge from a recent survey showing that the vaccinated are actually more frightened than the unvaccinated. Another survey found that most Democratic voters are so worried that they want to make it illegal for the unvaccinated to leave home. But before you don another mask or disinfect another surface, before you cheer on politicians and school officials enforcing mandates, consider your odds of a fatal Covid case once you’ve been vaccinated.
Those odds can be gauged from a study by researchers at the National Institutes of Health, published by the Centers for Disease Control. They tracked more than one million vaccinated adults in America over most of last year, including the period when the Delta variant was surging, and classified victims of Covid according to risk factors such as being over 65, being immunosuppressed, or suffering from diabetes or chronic diseases of the heart, kidney, lungs, liver or brain.
The researchers report that none of the healthy people under 65 had a severe case of Covid that required treatment in an intensive-care unit. Not a single one of these nearly 700,000 people died, and the risk was miniscule for most older people, too. Among vaccinated people over 65 without an underlying medical condition, only one person died. In all, there were 36 deaths, mostly among a small minority of older people with a multitude of comorbidities: the 3% of the sample that had at least four risk factors. Among everyone else, a group that included elderly people with one or two chronic conditions, there were just eight deaths among more than 1.2 million people, so their risk of dying was about one in 150,000.
Those are roughly the same odds that in the course of a year you will die in a fire, or that you’ll perish by falling down stairs. Going anywhere near automobiles is a bigger risk: you’re three times more likely during a given year to be killed while riding in a car, and also three times more likely to be a pedestrian casualty. The 150,000-to-one odds of a Covid death are even longer than the odds over your lifetime of dying in an earthquake or being killed by lightning.
John goes on to note that “studies have shown that natural immunity is much stronger and longer-lasting than vaccine immunity”, and while the threat of Covid is greater for unvaccinated adults, the case for vaccine mandates is obsolete “now that it’s clear that vaccination doesn’t prevent reinfection and transmission”.
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The persistent fear is also a testament to the success of the adoption of Orwell’s Newspeak. Redefine case, infection and death (in the sense of how it happened), and pile on the fear using rolling 15-minute doom throughout the day, using every MSM outlet. Then say that ‘the vaccine’ is the way out, so when ‘the vaccine’ arrives, it must be a vaccine.
Figures now show that of course it isn’t:
a. it didn’t take a decade or so to develop but was engineered in a laboratory,
b. it wasn’t made from the virus, and
c. it doesn’t work on the vaccine but the disease, which is why it has no effect on transmission.
And finally natural immunity to a respiratory virus is not what you thought it was – antibodies being formed in the airways – but antibodies formed in the blood by ‘the vaccine’, which is too late. But then if you don’t know what a virus is, and that humans (in this case) do the replication, not the virus, you wouldn’t know that either.
The proportion of the population still in fear of the virus is probably the same proportion who were never taught… Read more »
To control the world, you have to control the Narrative. To control the Narrative, you have to re-define the language and create new terms (like “our New Normal.”). This is all imperative as Orwell tried to show us.
I’ve said from the start that the only govt success in the pandemic response is the cruel instillation of fear, and that it will be 10 times harder to dispel.
Once a faux Narrative is established it’s almost impossible to debunk it. That’s why faux or dubious narratives must be challenged from the very beginning – which of course has not happened. By design.
“The threat of covid is greater for unvaccinated adults”. How on earth can anyone say this when the only people we are seeing getting covid in DEVON, are vaxxed. 70% of those hospitalised for covid, VAXXED. Sorry but the threat of covid is greater for the unvaccinated adults is extremely dangerous and misinformation! Israel now suggesting the four times vaxxed are suffering immune EROSION, hospitalised and DYING. Please wake up.
“1,5 million € for a virologist who presents scientific proof of the existence of a corona virus.”
Easy money… One would think…
https://new.awakeningchannel.com/15-million-e-18-million-reward-for-a-virologist-who-presents-proof-of-the-existence-of-the-coronavirus/
In 2015, Dr Satoshi Omura was awarded the Nobel Prize for Medicine for his work that led to the development of Ivermectin, a drug that has helped millions of people. CommieTube deleted a video of him speaking about the benefits of Ivermectin because he doesn’t understand the science of Ivermectin!! Are you AWAKE YET? You can get your ivm by visiting https://ivmpharmacy.com
And how much profit do you make?
These posts are deliberate advertising.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km5Em_xz8RI&ab_channel=JordanBPeterson
Jordan Peterson waking up a little bit on the Canadian situation.
‘and while the threat of Covid is greater for unvaccinated adults’
What is the threat to those exposed and recovered?
Sweet FA as far as I can ascertain.
Be exposed to the actual virus and gain full immunity or be exposed to the MRNA clot shots every few months, I know which I prefer.
I’ve often wondered that and right from the “beginning” of Clown world.
It’s almost as though TRPTB don’t want any publicity given to the concept of superior natural immunity.
I can’t for the life of me understand why the MSM/BBC don’t publicise this more, or even at all….
The irony being if your healthy and vaccinated you’re probably more likely to have a heart attack caused by the dangerous vaccine than be harmed by a bout of the virus, then add to that the potential long term effects which are at the moment completely unknown.
The odds a “healthy” child will die FROM Covid are even more microscopic than this author says. According to a UK study of every hospitalized child in the UK in the first year of the pandemic, 61 children died “with” or from COVID according to “official” UK statistics. After a comprehensive analysis of hospital records, the researchers concluded that only 25 of these children died from COVID alone. Furthermore, of these 25, they found that only six children did not have “severe” pre-existing or “life-altering” medical conditions. So only six “healthy” children died from COVID in the first 12 months of the pandemic.
The question then becomes what number of children in the UK do not have “severe” or “life-altering” medical conditions. My guess is that only about 1 in 50 or 1 in 100 children have medical conditions that are this severe. I concluded that there were roughly 11.8 million children in the UK who would be considered “healthy” (out of approximately 12 million children in the UK). I’m not talking about children with common ailments like asthma or diabetes but conditions that completely alter their lives. I then divided 6 deaths of these children into approximately 12 million… Read more »
I could have done another back-of-the-envelope type extrapolation from this UK study on children mortality “from” COVID. The authors found that 25 children did die FROM Covid in the first 12 months of the pandemic. Of this number, 19 did have “severe” and/or “life-altering medical conditions.
I admit that I really don’t know what percentage of children suffer from such severe medical conditions. Above I guesstimated that 200,000 UK children do.* This would be about 1.66 percent of all UK children. If this is close to the real number, we can say that the odds a child with these severe conditions would die from COVID would be 19 deaths divided by 200,000 people that fit this medical profile. This would mean that these children have a 1-in-1,052 chance of dying from COVID. But the real number would be higher as we know that every child is not going to contract COVID. Maybe the odds of a child with very severe medical issues dying from this disease might be 1 in 2,000. Such children maybe should get vaccinated, but even these children have a 99.95 percent chance of not dying from COVID.
*In trying to estimate what percentage of children do… Read more »
‘So only six “healthy” children died from COVID in the first 12 months of the pandemic.’
Which makes it less dangerous than flu, and the flu had mysteriously disappeared.
For healthy children, the flu is definitely more dangerous. It kills more people and if you are sick with the flu – you are really sick. 50 to 80 percent of children with COVID won’t even have a symptom that slows them down.
Speaking for myself, I’ve still never heard of an asymptomatic case of the flu.
Hopefully, in the future we will get some analysis of how much of the illness from this pandemic is literally just caused be fear. How many people were killed by hospital over reaction? How many people died from the increased stress of the massive social upheaval? And how many people died after contracting Covid just because they thought they would? The nocebo effect. What if the entire “pandemic” is just fear?
The first wave consisted mainly of frail elderly that were kicked out of hospital, stuck in care homes that coulddn’t meet their medical needs, had DNR orders imposed on them without their consent and were then put down using midazolam at the first hint they had a sniffle.
Boris et al created the first wave.
It takes courage to live a free life. Those with irrational fears hide behind gov mandates and herd mentality to avoid seeming like cowards.
But if they have no braincells then conformity is the best response they can ever muster.
Modern vampirism consists of neither living nor dying in order to gain a fictive life of ‘eternal’ duration. Yet those who never live and never risk dying, may die inside even if they live on in the flesh. That is morbid pathological soullessness in a nutshell.
I waited several months, watching the data, then got a pair of (non)vaccination shots last summer.
I am healthy, only 15 pounds overweight, on a very-high Vitamin D and statin intake. I don’t socialized in the form of pub-crawling. I’m cautious, but hardly paranoid. My resume has three years, back in the day, of biomedical engineering in a major teaching hospital.
But because I did get the two shots … I’m a stupid jackass who doesn’t know what the roll of white paper on the wall is for.
The same to you guys.
‘then got a pair of (non)vaccination shots last summer.’
You know you fu[ked up, which is why you didn’t get the booster.
You obviously didn’t realize that my closing sentences meant I was deliberately and sarcastically trolling.
How does the hook feel in the side of your mouth?
Comments at the end of the original article are interesting. Almost exactly what you see here when you get our regular trolls visiting.
There are many people across the Western world who will never change their perspective of covid and what has happened and is still happening. Its not just fear and psyops, its deeper, its about a belief system.
It is increasingly applied to all major issues, its almost as if we have created two entirely different ways of looking at the world. They seem irreconcilable, one mainly based on rational and fact and one based on feelings and emotion. Its as if the brain functions have been deliberately separated.
It’s not rational in any way, it’s all about belonging. Or not (‘othering’ outsiders). I guess, the sort of emotions that people used to satisfy through church (or chapel) on Sunday, or still do through their support for football teams. Look at the psyops/nudges from the government: very quick to point out that the jab would protect others, even though it did no such thing. Or the repulsive Macron, if you don’t take this jab you are not a citizen – the examples are too numerous and depressing to mention.
If we were scared of covvie, we wouldn’t be unvaccinated.
If the jabberoids really believed in the snake oil,, they wouldn’t be frightened, either of covvie or of us.
None of you seem to understand the role of the press in what’s happened — its effect upon what its Editors would call “the masses”.
To skip a rock across the pond (pun intended):
Walter Cronkite, Tuesday evening broadcast, February 28, 1968
The 2000 “murder” of Muhammad al-Dura (and the criminal conviction of Philippe Karsenty)
The “Jenin Massacre” of 2002 (which the Telegraph has never backtracked on)
JournoList – created in February 2007, when Barack Obama’s candidacy was announced
I began watching the press in the Eighties, after Vo Nguyen Giap published his memoirs. I found books which had been written regarding the beginnings Advocacy Journalism, which was then being taught in university-level schools of journalism.
I watched the Associated Press’ reporting on the Afghan and Iraq Wars, where deaths by vehicle accidents and ordinary illness were puffed up into “combat deaths”, where reports from Al Jazeera-Arabic stringers embedded with Muqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Militia and the Taliban were reported as straight news.
——————
The Fourth Estate believes it has the right to shape how the masses think and react.
You want to find a deep state? Don’t look in the faculty lounges. Boffins tend to be too hare-brained and ball-less… Read more »
Ethan Lindenberger (pic below) is an example of the type of “vaccinated” person that claims to live their lives in perpetual fear of the unvaccinated. Seemingly, his mother advised this youth to not take the “vaccines” because they were untrialled – but the brat went against her, and then denigrated and insulted her in the MSM.
But take a look at him. Would any normal dad be happy to see his eighteen-year-old daughter come home with a slack-jawed boyfriend like this excuse for young manhood? I think not.
He went against his mother because he sensed it would get him some attention. And it did, the MSM latched onto him and used him to promote vaccines among young people.
When compilers go out to conduct a survey on COVID-19 “vaccinated” people, the majority of those they’ll question will be of Lindenberger’s mentality – that’s because it’s mostly these types that questionably accepted the gene therapies.
When these types claim to be scared, they are being disingenuous. Many of them don’t actually have the cerebral facilities to feel scared. When questioned, these types immediately spot the opportunity for attention, and they realise that claiming to be sacred will get them more… Read more »
Bad parenting, bad food, bad teachers, bad media, bad politicos, bad…. The list isn’t endless, but it’s all bad.
Estrogenic analogues
Given the billions spent by the government to scare the population half to death, I cannot see that this will ever end for a lot of people. Certainly not with a few articles about risk figures in publications that hardly anyone will read. And having just been to a supermarket where 80% are still wearing masks, there are years of this still to come.
Another load of pro-vax propaganda shipped up for sceptics.
I started to read the research paper and straight away found that 85% of the injuries and deaths arising from taking the injections (which are usually falsely attributed to covid) were omitted from the study. I didnt bother reading any further.
How did they do it? By categorising people as uninjected until 14 days has elapsed.
But this is when 85% of the injection-related deaths and injuries occur.
Anyone getting the shot, and then being immunocompromised as a result and subsequently being hospitalised or dying is then conveniently shifted into the ‘unvaxed’ category.
Who in their right mind would want to push this propaganda as a bona fide study?
They do need a category for jabbed sperate from never jabbed.
But then it would as you say look ever so suspicious.
Covid is so dangerous that many unvaccinated people are suffering vaccine injuries, this has never happened before, fear the coof.
From the Quadrant article shared ATL a few days ago. This is what the sane people are up against now in this regard:
“Although the popular perception of COVID as a monster demographic cull is way off target, women have been found to be much more prone to exaggerate its deadliness. The opinion pollster, Kekst CNC, found that, in Europe in July 2020, the mean respondent estimate of the percentage of the total population believed to have been killed by the virus was 5 and 7 per cent whilst a stellar 9 per cent of all Americans (a staggering 30 million or so) were thought by the average American to have died because of COVID. These gross overestimates by the general public are some fifty to a hundred times higher than the actual death toll of 0.2 per cent of the total population (and substantially less than 0.2 per cent, given that official statistics methodologically inflate the real death toll by including the ‘died withs’ as well as ‘died froms’ in the COVID bodycount). Australia is truly off-the-wall hysterical — the average Australian believes the virus, if contracted, confers a 38 per cent death rate which is some 25,000 per cent higher than the actual overall Infection Fatality… Read more »
Genuine laugh out loud when I read the Australian 38% IFR number! Imagine telling them, no it’s 3 in 2000 which is slightly different than your estimate of 3 in 8 people!
The death rate of JUST-covid is vastly lower than 0.2%
I think people aren’t being given ‘thinking time’ when answering these questions. I mean, if they thought for more than a second they would surely realise what a small percentage of their acquaintances had died, wouldn’t they?
‘Perhaps the sex difference in the perceived virulence of the virus is due to the more ‘caring’, ‘nurturing’ and ‘protective’ nature of women vis-à-vis men. Perhaps the psychological make-up of women sees them more likely to catastrophise and seek safety-first-ism.’
Perhaps women are just crap at maths?
That’s not nice. I know plenty of chaps who are useless at simple sum
Or perhaps they’re more susceptible to all the ‘mansplaining’ from the Nudge Unit?
I often wonder how many people understand the concept of percentage, when I read of polls like these.
Would they do any better on questions like ‘Which composer wrote Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony?’
After a couple of conversations this week I think this is almost hopeless, people are too far gone. I thought the infections after being double and triple vaxxed would wake people up, but they have been gaslighted with the ‘the vaccine was never meant to stop transmission’ nonsense. Another friend got a spam email, not even using her correct name, saying she had been exposed and should test, so she has been testing and panicking how she had been exposed. I try my best, gently gently to get them to think but nothing.
yes, the vaccines were supposed to stop covid spread. yes, the “experts” told us so.
https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/
https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1475193955704881152?s=20
If you wouldn’t accept a Werther’s Original from a dodgy old geezer, why on earth would you believe his utterances on public health?
Standard covidiot response (muffled through a mask) – ‘well go and tell all those people dying in hospital from covid they had more chance of being hit by a car.’
To be fair most people killed by cars are classed as covid deaths.
TV quiz shows and the like don’t help with with their continued distanced contestants and guests, often with perspex screens between them, perpetuing the ridiculous notion a deadly disease is ever-present. It needs to stop but who will be brave enough?
If you want a bigger irony the Jackass film currently in the cinema thanks the covid team who’s help allowed them to film…
The stunts are VASTLY more risky than SARS2 is!
Its been interesting to see what effect the Behavioural Insights Team has had on the public, some still wearing their masks and detoxing their hands when they touch something. Whereas for others, the hysteria has had no effect at all. One wonders if they are actually fearful, being compliant or signalling their virtue. Wonder how much the now private BIT charged the government for their part.
All three apply. Some are genuinely fearful, some are compliant but the vast majority are virtue signallers – especially in my local Waitrose.
Same in mine! If you are searching for sane people it’s a completely different story in my local Lidl.
Sadly not in my local Lidl. Unfortunately, I live in a mask-wearers utopia. It’ll be a long, slow process even to get to 50/50.
I have been printing and distributing these fliers and stickers. It summarises the numbers and provides links.
And the other side…
The chances rise substantially if ’er indoors happens to be driving.
Or walking into the road with a mobile phone glued to the ear!
The odds are simple – for 99.9987% of people, covid presents – at worst – a minor inconvenience.
In addition, if you catch it in the normal way, your immune system gets an update, giving you real protection from future versions of the virus, which persists a lot longer than any “protection” proffered by the untested so-called “vaccines”.
It’s certainly been elevated to more than ‘a minor inconvenience’ by the way it’s been handled throughout most of the developed world.
What are the odds if ivermectin and HCQ are included?
That’s an interesting question….
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/you-will-not-believe-what-ive-just-found-inside-the-ivermectin-saga-a-hacked-password-mysterious-websites-and-faulty-data-11644240013?mod=mw_latestnews
I wonder what would happen if “market” watch did a similar article on the lack of evidence behind the so-called vaccines. I see the article called the jabs vaccines which tells me a lot about their biases.
Well, yes, they have their biases, as does everyone, but they were honest enough to put this in print:
It’s pretty clear that ivermectin blocks SARS2 from access to the ACE2 receptor as well as lowering inflammation (and other anti-viral effects).
Compared to the horrendous molnupiravir it’s a miracle drug.
just before xmas.they also knobbled budesonide!
Ivermectin’s main problem was that, if they hadn’t rubbished it and HCQ, they couldn’t have pushed through the ’emergency’ OK for the vaxxes.
‘Don’t let Reality get in the way of the Narrative.’
Methinks I have a greater chance of being offed by my government than of dying from covid. Who’d have flipping thought, huh?
20th Century Problem.
1. Most common cause of none accidental & none natural death worldwide
= Other peoples governments (war).
2. Second most common . . .
= Your own government (civil war, Judicial Execution, induced famine, repression and oppression).
Solution = Ban governments.
Well banning marxism would’ve saved most of them.
Far too much to play with here.
Marxist Lenin capped Russian WW1 deaths at 2million (‘sociallist’ Karensky and almost everyone else would have kept the slaughter going) but then launched the Russian Chauvanist civil war with 8-10 million dead followed by Marxist Stalins lracism induced famines.
To be fair Stalin backtracked on Marxism to prosecute WW2.
Pol Pots Killing Fields hid behind Marxism in what was a racist purge of non Khmer elements (why it went on long after victory)
and many many more.
That is one level of hypnosis I doubt you’ll be able to break through.
The Hobbesian idea that we cannot survive without governments, that all would be chaos, violence and misery is just too deeply ingrained in the modern human psyche.
Most people only believe in the good will of others as long as there is someone with a big stick standing over them.
I’m not sure one way or the other myself, but given where we are now, I’m up for the experiment.
I could prove Hobbs wrong so long as I held the only big stick.
My own doubts stem from Lord Of The Flies where, rather than spending weeks larking around on the golden seashore Jack and his gang would ensure their survival by gathering up all the weapons and supplies to put in the Stockade, set a great big roaring fire; organise the manhunt to capture Ralphs gang to cook and eat them one by one as required.
Government:
‘we want to save your life so you MUST take this vaccine otherwise we remove your livelihood which gives you accommodation, nutrition and comfort to live!”
“John goes on to note that “studies have shown that natural immunity is much stronger and longer-lasting than vaccine immunity”, and while the threat of Covid is greater for unvaccinated adults…“
What?! Evidence suggests otherwise.
That bit does seem to have jarred with a number of us on here. It certainly caused a double-take for me.
Ugghhh. Exhausting.
Is the DS being forced to parrot the dogma? Is the DS going to be suspended from some key platform if it doesn’t keep shoehorning this sort of statement into it’s articles?
Does that phrase add anything of value to article?
That’s actually from the article, though not made very clear. We mustn’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good, John Tierney has been fairly sound throughout for a relatively mainstream journo (not that that’s saying much!)
Tierney also has Fauci’s number, he’s written a number of articles about his deranged AIDS projections from the 1980s.