Under Italy’s current ‘green pass’ system, the unvaccinated must provide proof of a negative Covid test taken within the last 48 hours to be permitted the same rights as the vaccinated, but that is set to change when the country adopts the ‘super green pass’. When the new rules are brought in, the unvaccinated must now show that they have recovered from Covid or get jabbed in order to enter cinemas, gyms, stadiums, and numerous other public venues, although it is not yet apparent whether the measures will be enforced nationally or only apply to local regions with high infection rates. The Guardian has the story.
The ‘super green pass’ is expected to take effect over the next week and would require people to prove they are vaccinated or have recovered from Covid in order to access cinemas, theatres, gyms, nightclubs, ski lifts and stadiums, as well as to be served indoors at bars and restaurants.
Under current ‘green pass’ rules, those who provide proof of a negative test taken within the previous 48 hours are permitted to access those activities.
The Prime Minister, Mario Draghi, has been under pressure from regional governors to impose a stricter health mandate against people who have not been vaccinated. He is meeting cabinet ministers on Wednesday afternoon to give the decree the final nod, according to reports in the Italian press.
Draghi is also reported to be contemplating making the Covid vaccine obligatory for the police force and teachers.
It is unclear if the new pass would be required across Italy or only in regions with high infections and where hospitals are under strain.
Italy introduced its green pass in August and made it mandatory for workplaces in October. It is also required for boarding long-distance trains and domestic flights. Under the new measure, unvaccinated people will still be able to travel and access their workplace with proof of a negative test.
The workplace mandate intensified protests across the country, especially in the northern city of Trieste, where there has been a sharp rise in infections and hospitalisations in recent weeks. Calls for tighter rules have been led by Massimiliano Fedriga, the president of Friuli Venezia Giulia, the region surrounding Trieste.
This month Fedriga, a politician with the far-right League, described the anti-vaccination and anti-green pass protests as “idiocy”. He said on Sunday that the super green pass was not discriminatory and the only alternative would be another lockdown.
Umberto Lucangelo, the head of an intensive care unit at a hospital in Trieste, recently said 90% of Covid patients were unvaccinated and many had been involved in the protests.
The tougher rules have been supported by regional presidents from across the political spectrum. Stefano Bonaccini, the centre-left Democratic party president of Emilia-Romagna, told Ansa: “I think people who are vaccinated should have a preferential path in those places of social and cultural life, in particular, in order to prevent them from having to close.”
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Countries like Italy that are bankrupt are desperate for cash. Tourism would help, but probably not enough. Guess they had to accept the backhanders from…well you know who and with the cash comes the draconian measures. Well done Italy, you have killed your economy, screwed your own citizens and guess what, you are not one bit better off than you were. Congratulations.
Italy seems to have gone back to the 1939-1945 era.
These govts are not very clever are hey? Have the not learned anything from the multitude of studies and data available demonstrating the vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission, making any such discrimination pointless and worthless? Have they not seen what happened in The Netherlands? Rise up Italy, and say “NO”!
And when that doesn’t stop the wave of infections (as it won’t) what then ……. Concentration Camps?
Or forcible injection with an experimental jab ……. something Mengele would approve of?
truly Mussolini’s children
The enlightening work of former NHS analyst “John Dee” on the old “My ICU is full of unvaccinated patients” claim https://drive.google.com/file/d/1laTQikCjfabE5IUZ-1bmJj2YGlkctp04/view?fbclid=IwAR10hmAhwQiXKQM6Ok44geZtko68fIIZNdWkzlvZUoJWMX5yokaDxAVmamI
“Umberto Lucangelo, the head of an intensive care unit at a hospital in Trieste, recently said 90% of Covid patients were unvaccinated and many had been involved in the protests.”
Sounds like a sound scientific analysis. Not.
Coming soon, Ultra green pass, including a free train ride & refreshing shower at the end of the journey for all unvaxxed.
Italy, birthplace of fascism, returning to it’s roots.
Debate continues over what will replace the Super Green Pass when it also becomes unworkable. Some favour the Double-Super Green Pass, but a significant minority back the Super-Duper Green Pass.
Super-Duped Green Pass?
That works, too!
MSM is trying to make fun of people wanting to protect themselves with cheap and proven drugs. Ivermectin has been FDA approved for human use since 1996. It also beats Pfizer’s new wonder drug hands down, and costs next to nothing. Ivermectin doesn’t make tons of money. So they know the Covid shot is on its final gasp, so they take it add something different to it, rebrand under another name and charge 20 times what they would for ivermectin. I cannot wrap my head around this nonsense. When I explain this to my relatives they label me as crazy and ask me if I know better than science. I don’t make up these information out of my ass. All this information is true and proven. For some people it is near impossible for them to wake up. They are comfortable in their clown world life. If you want to get Ivermectin you can visit https://ivmpharmacy.com
This is more like it.
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/montesquieued-perceptions-of-government
Meanwhile in Kenya the government says that from next month it will ban the unvaccinated from the premises of many businesses, and from restaurants and government offices. And the unvaccinated are currently 93% of the population.
if it’s really necessary, why wait til ‘next month’? Answer: Because it’s actually a coercion to get the vax, not a necessity.
This is absolutely disgraceful … why aren’t our politicians and this government condemning this tyranny?
Because its Australia, New Zealand or Canada its ok to turn a blind eye? No fecking way … this should be absolutely condemned.
This is what real totalitarianism looks like.
“Aborigini tribes targetted for not getting C19 jab. A plea to the world for help. “We are asking the world to please come and help us, please pay attention to what is happening and expose this tyranny and genocide before we lose it all”
https://twitter.com/WeAreTheNewz/status/1463520311756967939
Thanks for posting this.
For those who don’t already know, the handsign they are making at the end is a distress signal that spread on Tiktok. It is used for example by victims of domestic abuse or kidnapping who want to signal for help without their abuser realising.
ALLOWING GLOBAL GENOCIDE – THIS HAS GOT TO STOP NOW! WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU ALL
Meanwhile complete normality in Sweden – no restrictions, no masks, no passports, no nothing – and they have the lowest infection rates across Europe – makes you wonder what the hell is going on … Sweden has shown the way out of this insanity and yet many governments in Europe are ignoring Sweden and appear to want to keep the fear going – if I was an Italian, Austrian or German right now I would be absolutely fuming – I would be seriously pissed-off with my government to the point where a military take over to remove these covid tyrants from power would be most welcome.
Completely old normal in Sweden – everywhere. No masks, no distancing, no passports, no anti-scientific sinister nonsense And lowest covid issues in Europe for months, using this strategy. Santa is on board (he hates anti-science too) LOCKDOWN/MASK CASE IS CLOSED …
https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1462398200980070401
Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte, formerly of Unilever, has denounced protestors against the clampdown on the unvaccinated as “idiots”.
He has been PM for 11 years.
Do I hear anyone say it’s about time he left office?
Rutte had better watch out. Some of us recall that General De Gaulle called protestors “bedsh*tters” (“chienlits”) in 1968. Ten years before, in May 1958, De Gaulle had returned as France’s head of state as a result of the Algerian crisis.
“Happy birthday, mon général”, sang those among the insurgents in 1968 who could spare the time to throw some sarcasm at the non-entity in the Elysée.
C’mon, Rutte, you wimp, haven’t you got any better insults than “idiot”?
Another footballer collapsed last night I see. All totally normal.
And no mainstream journalists ever asks or finds out if these medical emergencies could be vaccine-related. It’s taboo. Off limits. They intuitively know what they can and cannot write.
The newspapers for which they write lies are wholly owned by government, via lavish advertising. Ofcom in turn rules with a totally biased whip on them all. At least D-notices were honest suppression.
You cannot hope to bribe or twist, thank God! the British journalist. But, seeing what the man will do unbribed, there’s no occasion to.
Humbert Wolfe, “Over the Fire”, in The Uncelestial City (1930).
They (the globalist predators) keep pushing, pushing and pushing – don’t they. Anyone would think they want to initiate a violent response… At this rate they are going to get it.
And as for the Guardian ‘newspaper’, the ‘guardian’ of what exactly? Certainly not the truth.
The clock has been reset, we now live in the 1930s.
The Italian government is applying a “ratchet” policy – this is extremely clear. Or you could call it a “salami” policy, or getting the population “over a barrel”, but “ratchet” is a better term. The authorities are pushing, pushing, pushing, and in places as far apart as Germany and Australia some of them are almost visibly coming across like rabid maniacal hyenas, full of hate.
This shows how important it is to oppose ANY turn of the ratchet – for example, the requirement of vaccination among healthworkers.
The vaccination of children should also have been met with heavy opposition, as soon as it was mooted even as a voluntary thing.
Let any of these measures pass, and soon vaccination will be required among everyone who wants to eat in a restaurant, go to a bar or cinema, go to a large shop (Latvia), travel on a bus or train, be outside their house except when they’re at work or “stretching their legs” (soon in Germany?), and then among the entire population (Austria), including children.
And then – or running in parallel – the authorities will come for the vaccinated population, turning the ratchet against them too.
Resistance is absolutely vital.… Read more »
Sounds to me like the world’s going backwards – via the 1930s/WWII era (fascists in charge) back to pre WWI where the rich and powerful dominate society and most ‘ordinary’ people have almost nothing or any rights.
We call that neofeudalism – as a serf you have to ask your lord for permission to leave your village. Also, your body is only allowed to labor for the lord, other than that it has little value.
Can be replaced with Draghi’s, Jabbit’s or any Austrian/German politicians head too.
Shouldn’t he have some diamonds, oakleaves, swords, and syringes on a shiny Knight’s kross? (Neck-dangling bling.)
Time for a national strike in Italy. This is turning into full-on persecution
When the Trieste docks went on ‘peaceful strike’, all sorts of things happened. The strikers wouldn’t allow the National RAI journalists anywhere near the port, for some reason.
Trieste; famous for having the beautiful ancient city square “piazza unità d’italia” (united-Italy-square) filled with green pass demonstrators, or actually being completely deserted, at the same moment (if you looked at the ‘live’ webcam feed) so there weren’t any protests or protesters er….
the webcam & perhaps the real live actuality is that demonstrations in piazza unità d’italia are banned until next year
A general strike that snowballs into an international one hopefully.
The problem the authorities have with the unvaccinated isn’t that we’re a threat to anyone’s health. Or even that we’re disobedient.
The problem they have is that we know what they’ve been up to, we know it’s a huge fraud, the crime of the millennium.
That’s why we have to be punished.
Our job is to educate as many people as we can before it’s too late.
Eliminate the control group.
That’s part of it but in my view more importantly – we know the truth about what has happened and can expose it.
I think the main problem for the politmafia is the looming necessity to throw away hundreds of millions of already ordered vaccine doses.
This would make clear to everyone that the politicians have wasted/transferred into pharma pockets billions in taxpayer money for no effect. They might even be held responsible for that. Avoiding that responsibility at all cost is their major focus now. When reality does not match their expectations for covering up past “mistakes” (some might say, corrupt deals for personal enrichment), they opt to produce a fake reality which does. They are basically too deep in this shit now to change course, just like a criminal’s only option is to continue running from justice while committing more crimes in the process if necessary.
Somebody else on the ‘rayc’ laptop tonight 😉
Italian politicians have announced the Green Pass is not the biggest threat to freedom due to this weeks discovery of the Super Green Pass.
In “Casablanca,” people were killed for their “letters of transit.”
Soon we will read of people being killed for their Super Green Passes.
The Nazis – who this time are not wearing black uniforms – of course control the Green Passes.
Where’s Victor Lazlo (and Rick) when we need them?
France and the Netherlands are following Italy.
So the logic is that only vaccinated or recovered will get a green pass, those that test negative will not. This means those that are possibly infected and can transmit are allowed access, but those that are not , will not.
The only way this makes any sense is if the majority of the evidence about the efficacy of the vaccines is wrong and that they indeed do continue to provide immunisation against the virus. In which case of course there would be no need for boosters.
Whichever way you look at this the logic is perverse.
Which just confirms ‘its not about what they say its about’!!
Sweden won’t be far behind.
And that’s one of the most disappointing of all, given that with the exception of vaxxes they are the only Western European country to have got most other aspects of the response right.
Which is really saying that the “facts don’t matter.” A fellow skeptic told me I should stop trying to persuade people with data. It’s not going to change anyone’s mind at this point. She’s probably right, but I’m going to keep trying for now.
If readership levels at The Daily Skeptic keep going up – this would be a very good sign that progress is being made. I am trying to send as many people in my little social media network to this site, one of the few with a large audience that challenges the “narrative.”
In my experience rather than beat people over the head with data and facts, it’s better to either challenge them with questions – “what’s the average age of someone who died with COVID in the UK in 2020?” “if 1000 people are infected with COVID-19, how many will go on to die, and how does that compare with seasonal influenza” and help them realise how little they actually know…
…or drop in little humourous comments with a point behind them like “I wonder how many boosters I’ll need to go on holiday next summer” or “it’s funny how the virus is dangerous when you’re standing up in a restaurant but not when you’re sitting down” etc.
Get them to start questioning things for themselves. Plant some seeds of doubt and then keep watering them each time you meet.
I do regularly employ the Socratic Method, especially in posts.
I’ve also challenged several journalists to debates. No takers.
There is need for boosters because the ministers have already ordered and paid for hundreds of millions of doses for the next year. And (at least in case of Germany – 200 million) it happened months ago, before anything was known about the further course of the pandemic. Do we need any more explanations?
I think a black market in the actual virus is going to arise. I’d rather get the virus and then show proof
Absolutely. Remember when one of the bedwetter responses to someone playing down the danger of the virus was ‘ooh I dare you to walk through a covid ward’ if I was in Italy right now I’d be breaking the bloody doors down to get myself inside
The problem is that it still might not work. IIRC, only 1 in 10 gets infected while living in the same household with delta…
Which very much indicates that some people are just naturally resistant to it, whether or not they have ‘immunity’ which can be measured in any way.
So you’d comply with the totitalitarian decrees of a bunch of tinpot dictators? How does that make you any better/less subservient (functionally) than the ‘vaccinated’?
Italy is suffering a rash of confirmed cases from ski lifts and outdoor sports stadiums?
Australian Army Now Moving Australians into Concentration Camps
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/11/24/australian-army-now-moving-australians-into-concentration-camps/
Terrible news. Will the poor bloody infantry have to quarantine after contact, too?
Another example where “conspiracy theory” becomes fact.
No worries, it’s only aborigines – so far.
I suspect that, although all other Australians are officially supposed to prostrate themselves guiltily before the poor-ill-done-to indigenous peoples, most Australians don’t. Anybody able to (dis)confirm that?
The widespread apologies for the crimes against humanity that were committed against aboriginal people in Australia were accepted. The apologies were welcome and did not require prostration.
This is about what’s going on now.
Another little piece from The Grauniad:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/wearing-masks-single-most-effective-way-to-tackle-covid-study-finds
Seems to be a bit at odds with every other recent study.
It’s Grauniad fodder, what do you expect?
Of course, you could ask them why muzzled Guag Wales has higher covvie rates than unmuzzled (well, at least not compulsorily muzzled) England, but we all know it would be waste of breath.
Could also ask them why muzzle mandates are in every single case completely invisible on graphs of infections / hospitalisations / deaths – but as you say it’s a waste of breath. They’ll just dogmatically repeat the received “wisdom” and refuse to enter into any discussion.
I wonder how they can explain how North Dakota (mask mandate) and South Dakota (no mask mandate)have no discernable difference in Covid-19 infections?
The idea you can “tackle” a highly contagious respiratory infection that spreads via aerosol at all is for the birds.
They are still living in cloud-cuckoo “zero COVID” land.
My sentiment entirely.
And general reality in the past 18 months.
Nearly two years into this horror show and the low-ranking healthy are still presumed sick until proven otherwise. Ironically, the
subservient‘privileged’ class in this hierarchy/apartheid may still be infected in spite of their pathetic little permission pass. This whole exercise is utterly absurd and evil.But listen, it’s totally about your elf.