Lord Sumption has written a blistering comment piece for the Telegraph, attacking the draconian measures being rolled out across continental Europe. Here is an extract:
Across Europe, basic norms of civilised society are giving way to panic. The unvaccinated are being excluded from an ever-wider range of basic rights. Austria has criminalised them. Italy has stopped them doing their jobs. The Dutch police have fired on anti-lockdown demonstrators, seriously injuring some of them. We are witnessing the ultimate folly of frightened politicians who cannot accept that they are impotent in the face of some natural phenomena.
If lockdowns, forced closures of businesses and other brutal countermeasures work, then why are these countries on their fifth wave of the pandemic and their third or fourth lockdown? How long must this go on before we recognise that these measures simply push infections into the period after they are lifted?
The logic of persisting with them now is that they can never be lifted. What were once justified as temporary measures to hold the position until vaccines were available are in danger of being forced on people as permanent changes to their way of life. Perhaps the ugliest feature of the crisis is the politicians’ habit of blaming others for the bankruptcy of their own policies.
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Lord Sumption, I hope you have access to Steve Kirsch’s daily newspaper, The Hart Group’s regular updates, Robert Kennedy’s daily newsletter and Del Bigtree’s the Highwire on Thursday evenings 7pm UK time. So many others as well, bringing truth, honesty, integrity and decorum to the Covid table.
Unfortunately DS users who see anything positive in having this person as ‘an ally’ are deluded, clearly he is still an establishment figure and fatally tainted if he sees merit in either the ‘vax’ or the ‘vaxpass’. That will remain my opinion so please don’t try to point out why I am wrong as I simply won’t change my view.
“frightened politicians who cannot accept that they are impotent in the face of some natural phenomena”. How true. And when frightened, as a rabbit in car headlights, logic goes out of the window. The moral dimension that Lord Sumtion is actually maintained by cool rational logic, as he identified, that humans need to be social.
He loves all this. He doesn’t counter argue against it just pointing things out.
He’s all for vaxx passes for travel fully knowing where they would lead.
Also he pushes the vaxx narrative. Like other places haven’t already shown by letting the young and strong get on with it and gain natural immunity leading to better protection for others and not wreck the economy.
The simple fact they keep repeating processes that didn’t work before just shows you they are having fun and know we, collectively, won’t make a fuss.
All this leads to programmable money.
Lord Sumption points out that restrictions only kick the can further down the road. Before the UK’s first lockdown SAGE said much the same thing except that they argued lockdowns were necessary to stop the NHS from being “overwhelmed”. But how effective have these measures been in achieving even that limited goal? Not very in my view. Covid has surged and dropped back again without human intervention. If we understood its cycle better we would be better equipped to manage the surges. What is it that prevents the modern politician and fringe scientists ftom being able to think out of the box?
Never mind trying to understand its surges, if the doctors offering the treatments which WORK SUCCESSFULLY (see Peter McCullough’s letter above) were not supressed, threatened and victimised, then covid WOULD become endemic and NONE of the draconian restrictions and mandates subverting bodily autonomy would even be required never mind justified.
Whoever downticked you Milo must be from the planet Zog.
here’s a thought:-
combine the recent decision of the NYC Rabbinical Court with Sumption’s opinion of people who choose to remain “unvaccinated”.
could it be said that such an opinion might conceivably be seen as somehow “anti-semitic”?
It seems to me that we should stop calling these injections vaccines and start calling them what they really are. President Trump called them GENE THERAPIES. Gene therapies change RNA which means they make you very sick and even kill you. This socialist/communist World Order know exactly what they are doing and as all controlling regimes do, they have changed the language to give people the impression that their Governments are looking after them.
If people in the media spotlight started to talk about genocidal gene therapies there would be an immediate recognition of the real agenda. This would reunite the citizens of the world and the Great Reset would stop in its tracks.
However, our voices in the frontline seem to be too scared to face the real truth and speak the real language.
Never mind Europe, just look at Wales. Comrade Drakeford has kept the citizens there muzzled with mandatory face masks, introduced vaccine passports to large events and now cinemas and theatres. What next? His creeping authoritarianism will see passports introduced in pubs, and cafés next and then shops. Mark my words, this hard left Labour government will rule by diktat over a two tier system where, if you don’t have a passport, you can’t go anywhere.
The Welsh have accepted this, so presumably most of them like Drakeford and his minions. The Indians seemed more than happy to have Drakeford bop along at their Diwali Disco, without a face mask and endangering their lives – how many of those have now ‘tested positive’?
Perhaps this will just go on and on until the Vaxx Pass is really mandated for everything, it is beginning to look like this is what people really want.
It’s a pity the intelligent are being dragged down by the thickies, but it’s a ‘Democracy’, and when 80% of the population are of the ‘thinking-is-hard’ variety, what do you expect?
Same in Northern Ireland Jack. The health minister subscribes to some kind of strange belief, not supported by any science I have read, that this would be all over if only people would wear a face mask 100% of the time and if the unvaccinated are on almost permanent house arrest (but still able to access public services
8/10 from me. Shame he had to mis-speak about the safety of the jabs and take the usual pop at those who don’t want to participate in a coerced, mass medical experiment …. as many pointed out in the comments, including me.
Thanks, Lord. Who came first, the DS chicken or the establishment egg?
Erm… it’s never been about your health. If only the sheep listened at the start!
Sorry Sumption, but your attitude to those who concerned about this vaccine or object to it for religious or moral reasons is disgusting. You are part of the problem, eff off.
Yeah, no, just another stooge in the political theatre, zero credibility from a supporter of war crimes! Sorry, it just doesn’t cut it, ma Lord.
To think you made me waste valuable time tapping the escape key for this erroneous drivel.
This is a new comment by an Austrian mainstream doctor in an Austrian MSM.
https://www.diepresse.com/6062872/osterreichs-coronamanagement-ein-totalversagen
Politicians and public health officials have blown it, not the unvaxxed.
Treatments should have been investigated, administered and promoted much more instead of going all-in on vaccines, let alone now confirmed to be leaky ones.
The vaxx makes sense for some, but not for the majority of people.
The mandate and the societal destruction is a/the huge catastrophe.
The point of my posting this here, which Lord Sumption describes well “We are witnessing the ultimate folly of frightened politicians who cannot accept that they are impotent in the face of some natural phenomena.” but doesn’t seem to fully understand is: politicians and health officials are totally and solely pot-committed to achieving herd immunity via ever higher vaxx rates only.
That ‘strategy’ is now blowing up in their faces, due to the ‘vaccines’ underperforming, righteously being seen more critical by many efficiency, necessity and side effects-wise, variants created by the misguided mass vaccination with higher Rs, and now negative VE, resulting necessarily in more rather than fewer cases- see Bartram for explanation and what it means.
The second worst point is that business leaders, unions and… Read more »
“Perhaps the ugliest feature of the crisis is the politicians’ habit of blaming others for the bankruptcy of their own policies.”
Well said. Our so-called leaders have dug themselves a very deep hole; if they stop digging now, it’s The Emperor’s New Clothes, covid edition.
Pride demands they keep going.
(Off topic, but that Sumption hair could do with a good brush…)
That’s genetic now with the English though: the ‘wrong kind of leaves syndrome’.
Joe Rogan said his doctor, Pierre Kory, is part of a group that has used Ivermectin to quietly treat 200 Members of U.S. Congress for COVID19. Dr Simone Gold, from America’s Frontline Doctors, told that she has prescribed treatments for Congress. She still believes in her oath, but she is vocal saying she has been contacted by many in DC. Can you believe these demons? Healing for them are OK but not for us. Get your Ivermectin while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
Well, what do you expect? Rules for us but not for them is the order of the day.
The people I know who have taken the vaccine have taken it either so that they can travel or because they were too cowardly or ignorant to disobey the government.
I didn’t take it because I did my research on the virus and the vaccines, and because I want to be alive to see my two young children (and who knows how many other children in my family) reach adulthood.
Who are the selfish ones?
He’s part of the problem. Like every other establishment stooge.
And the exact reason most of vaccinated people are vile against unvaccinated because now when their coercion start to be more and more clear they would be upset if they have to admit their gullibility. So they want to punish the unvaccinated.
And exactly the same logic why governments can’t accept vaccine failure. If they would vaccinated mass would turn against them. So at the moment unvaccinated are the perfect target.
Hate to say it but he’s twin for Rowley Birkin
….and calls the vaccines a racing success and those that refuse them selfish.
We can do better.
The absence of moral scruple in pursuit of what is thought to be a public good, is the first symptom of totalitarianism. The reduction of human beings to mere instruments of state policy is the next.
This is exactly why we are protesting – we are not protesting against vaccinations which should be down to the individual – a free choice – but we are protesting because we fear where this is all heading – lockdowns for the unvaccinated, no jobs for the unvaccinated, no access to shops, restauranst and theatres etc and now mandatory vaccinations – state sanctioned mandatory medical procedures that cannot be reversed … this is tyranny – so a better description for the protests would be anti-totalitarian.
No matter if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated … you should be very afraid at what we are witnessing in Europe – we are witnessing a pandemic of tyrannical governments spreading across Europe once again.
Supremacy of inalienable individual rights, above all bodily autonomy (therefore incl. no masks, no such invasive tests), by definition meaning zero discrimination for doing so.
Pretty simple.
Sadly, too simple for the utilitarian monsters to understand, let alone accept. Ever.
Hear! Hear! I can’t read the whole piece since I’m not a subscriber, but I like what I could read.
Of course, he’s outnumbered at least 2 to 1. The mob rules and the sheeple are still terrified and clamoring for protection from their shepherds.
If Orwell has any living grandchildren, I want to buy them a pint and thank them for their granddad’s clairvoyance. Not that his warning did any good, but he WAS right.
Just hit the “escape” key repeatedly as the page loads, you should then be able to read it all
Not any biological ones.
It’s a shame he fell behind on the vaccine science.
He’s utterly brilliant and has contributed a lot to our side of the argument very eloquently over the course of the pandemic. However his misplaced belief in high vaccine efficacy hamstrings him to a large extent when it comes to the current debate.
See my comment below. He isn’t a scientist and the government has authorized its use. He is arguing whether it’s ever okay to demand compliance with a medical procedure period. That is the issue because it will arise in the future on another disease and another treatment.
Sure, but he makes statements like this that are flat out false, or at least warrant a heavy disclaimer:
What are the death outcomes for vaccinated vs unvaccinated at the two year mark? And if he can’t answer this, why make the claim so boldly?
Is it justifiable to spread this potential misinformation with the justification that “well, it wouldn’t have been printed otherwise, and it was worth it to get the rest printed”? In my view we’re on dodgy ground here, though I do of course appreciate the point you’re highlighting.
Since when did taking experimental drugs that have no long-term safety record become “wise”?
I’m with you. I don’t see the evidence that they are “highly effective at preventing serious illness and death.” The evidence I see is that all the other expert pronouncements were bunk … which leads me to conclude the comments they are still making are probably bunk too.
I asked here yesterday if the recent spike in cases from supervaxxed Gibraltar had produced much in the way of Covid deaths.
Someone used a reliable source (Worldmetre?) to respond, 1 in August.
As Robert Mone stated and Mike Yeadon agreed with: if you accept such mandatory vaccination, you might as well accept and expect forced castration.
Sumption is such a high-profile figure, so this is great (but sad that he still seems to be deluded about the ‘vaccines’).
just watching a film called 7500 on prime – yes i know..
a hijacked plane, the pilot, secure in the cockpit, tells the passengers that the two hijackers have no guns and only glass – yet the passengers sit wobbling like jelly inactive in their seats…
its so now…. i recommend the film, the desire to live requires,
From the reddit group
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSceptics/comments/qz96gf/todays_comments_20211122/
Peter McCullough on Telegram:
Pushback Against Unnecessary, Ill-Advised, and Unlawful Mandates of Investigational Vaccines
Since the wave of public and private entity COVID-19 vaccine mandates this summer, there has been progressively stiffer resistance from a public that knows the mandates are unethical, immoral, and from a civil perspective—illegal. Because none of the COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, JNJ) are FDA approved or commercially sold by vaccine manufacturers to the public, Americans know the consent forms indicate vaccination can only be voluntary and that the vaccine products do not have proven safety or efficacy.
Thus, the consent forms by themselves are a clear indicator that no entity can “mandate” participation in a clinical investigation or research. Rates of COVID-19 vaccination plummeted in April of 2021 when word got out that Americans were dying and becoming injured after the injection in large numbers. Analyses from Rose and McLachlan using the CDC VAERS system indicated that 50% of the deaths occurred within 48 hours, 80% within a week, and 86% of the time, there was no other explanation other than the vaccine must have triggered the death.
From that point forward, there was a series of perverted efforts to… Read more »
FFS – these excellent messages need to get directly to the point – fast
No, no, no, Lord Sumption! It’s neither panic, nor folly, nor fright, nor illogic that moves the politicians. It is totalitarian control: an evil lust for power and blood.
Yes, it’s about total control and depopulation, not much else.
We have politicians in this country that are capable of saying ‘not only women have cervixes’. I have no problem whatsoever believing that we are living in a time of mass delusion and panic.
Does this play into the hands of Tony Blair type creatures who just can’t wait for a new world order of global government to be ushered in? Absolutely. But it isn’t a conspiracy. Doesn’t matter though. Still evil.
As I said at TU, if this BJ can now legitimaty considered to be the lesser evil, our societies are proven to be f*cked.
Politicians the world over acting in lock step, governments and media employing the identical language, world health bodies simultaneously altering scientific definitions (case, infection, herd immunity, vaccine, safe and effective), universal suppression of effective early treatments, universal adoption of counterproductive measures, universal vaccine mandates and passports…. Come on! You can’t see this has been planned?
It’s international groupthink
A few dozen or hundred might tick that way and be in charge, or not.
Many tens of thousands are just useful, corrupted, biased, ideological idiots, now trying to achieve (misunderstood) herd immunity by ‘vaccination’ only.
They should of course be sent to a Gulag for that stupidity, zeal and neglect of treatments instead alone and already.
The really frightening, and as a German with prior interest and knowledge of mass psychology I may say still surprising, or rather shocking, thing is, that the vast majority of the public went and goes along with the dictates and now outright hatred.
And that everywhere.
Extract from a letter sent to the NZ Medical Council from a retired Doctor in Tauranga.
“… the still birth rate has rocketed. Usually there are 114 still births per year for the entire country but in just two weeks Hastings alone had 9 still births in vaccinated mothers who were following your advice to get the vaccine. You are responsible for the death of those babies. You have blood on your hands. I suppose you are also in denial regarding the deaths of teenagers.
We have 2 siblings dead after the vaxathon in Christchurch – a girl aged 15 and a boy aged 17. Plus a 17 year old boy in Northland and a 13 year old in the South Island – both dead the day after their vaccination -and a 14 year old boy in South Auckland who died 2 hours after his vaccination. Also the 17 year old girl whose death should have stopped the roll out but was instead blamed, prior to any autopsy report, on the pill – which she had been prescribed some time prior so therefore the GP would have checked for clotting risk factors at that point in time.
I know a… Read more »
‘We have 2 dead siblings . . .’
I am wary of reports about rare deaths occurring more than once in a single family.
Jeremy Vine ludicrously presented us with someone who had three Covid deaths within her ‘close family’, a statistical nonsense.
However, Hugotalks.com has a video bluntly titled 2,620 Dead Babies. It is on the Odessy platform which I have no idea how to link to (also on brandnewtube and bitchute if you can find them).
He does not place more contentious material on YouTube for obvious reasons.
I think being wary about any anecdotal unproven reports is always wise.
However the “siblings” thing itself doesn’t ring alarm bells for me.
In fact I think this should be called out more often as a risk factor – if your sibling has had a strong adverse reaction, the chances you will too are far higher than the average.
The reaction to these “vaccines” will be governed to a large extent by your genes, and (to state the obvious) your sibling is fairly likely to have similar genes.
In July 2020 the Radboud University in Nijmegen discovered that there was a genetic defect in the TLR7 gene in some cases of covid. The researchers already suspected that there could be a genetic element in some cases. They studied the case of 2 brothers in the first wave who both ended up in ICU on ventilators. If I remember correctly they were 26 and 29, under 30 in any event. 1 died. A while after that 2 more brothers under 35 ended up in ICU. The researchers found defects in that particular gene in all 4 patients (the defects were the same in the siblings, but different defects between the different sets of siblings).
Apparently TLR7 plays a role in detecting the virus and activating the immune system.
I have long though that in younger people with no underlying conditions that genetics might play a role and in some cases it would appear they do.
Apparently there is also a problem with the MTFHR gene and the vaccine so that those with mutations in that gene would be advised not to have it.
VERY few Gp’s would even be aware of the MTFHR gene or its mutations so wouldn’t be well placed to advise whether some one should be jabbed or exempted for that reason, thus exposing a massive weakness in the “one size fits all” jabbing policy being adopted worldwide.
Doesn’t it also call into question this idea of forcing families to isolate together when one person tests positive? Surely, it would be better for them to keep well away!
Covid will get the people who it’s going to get eventually.
That is why once we had spent two weeks ‘flattening the curve’ to save the NHS from being immediately overwhelmed every single measure taken to curb Covid has been utterly pointless unless individuals want to spend the rest of their lives as an isolated hermit on the top of a rock pinnacle.
When he advocated for vaccine mandates he must have known this is where it would lead.
Glad to have him speak up here regardless. We need loud booming voices and in the streets, not just in the broadsheets
Sumption has been silenced for some while. Is there some reason for the Telegraph suddenly giving him a voice?
Euro bashing.
I don’t think he has. He just writes when he feels the need to.
Behind the paywall (again) but Lord Sumption has been pretty much spot on from day one. Even in regards to the illegitimate lockdown that started all this mess.
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Hear hear. Apart from his comment on the ‘foolish unvaxxed’.
We need more champions like this to speak out, loudly.
For those who have no voice, mass non-compliance.
…his comment on the ‘foolish unvaxxed’
That is a monumental failure by Lord Sumption and as such his intervention may do more harm than good.
His exact words where “Those who refuse to be vaccinated may be unwise, perhaps selfish”. Looking at the current deaths per 100k for vaccinated vs unvaccinated over 50s, then it does look like the vaccine helps (not magically, just a bit). Under 50 – no argument, not needed and probably doing more harm than good.
I’m wondering, but have you fallen for the government set trap of “unvaccinated” when ‘unvaccinated’ can mean those with jabs but who died within a set number of weeks after being jabbed – which completely skews the figures