Deputy First Minister of Scotland John Swinney is under pressure to scrap vaccine passports after a new Oxford study found the double-jabbed are just as likely to pass on Covid to unvaccinated people. The Times has more.
The effectiveness of vaccines in curbing transmission – particularly with AstraZeneca doses – wanes over time, according to a study that appears to undermine the reasoning behind new laws requiring proof of vaccination to enter football grounds and nightclubs.
It comes as the Deputy First Minister said customers may now be required to show a negative Covid test as well as a vaccine certificate before being allowed to attend more indoor venues including pubs, restaurants, gyms and cafés.
However, this “theoretical option” has prompted a backlash from pubs and restaurants who claim they face “an avalanche of cancellations” if approved.
Revelations about the reduced effectiveness of vaccines after 12 weeks was highlighted in research led by the Nuffield Department of Medicine, based at the University of Oxford, which co-developed the AstraZeneca vaccine.
It found vaccinated people were almost as infectious as the unvaccinated 12 weeks after their second AstraZeneca jab.
The paper stated: “Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for [AstraZeneca] and attenuating substantially for [Pfizer-BioNTech]. Protection from vaccination in contacts also declined in the three months after second vaccination.”
The paper echoes research in the Lancet last month which found “the vaccine effect on reducing transmission is minimal in the context of Delta variant circulation”.
Swinney acknowledged the research but pledged to press on with vaccine passports in clubs and sports stadiums, and continue to consult businesses on expanding them to other settings.
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Science is dead. Long love The Science ™️
They know as well as we now know that “the double-jabbed are just as likely to pass on Covid to unvaccinated people”.
But we also know that masks do nothing except to remind us to FEAR.
Chances of despots like Wee Krankie and Drip Drakeford doing away with passport control is virtually nil.
It’s even worse. Looking at the latest deaths due to all causes published by the ONS. For every age group apart from the over 70s, the number of deaths in 2021 to date is greater than the same period in 2020. Wasn’t there a serious pandemic in 2020 which caused huge numbers of deaths – 160,000 + were typical figures quoted. Then in 2021 isn’t there a vaccine which drastically reduces death, which is ‘safe’ and ‘incredibly effective’. So, how come more of us are dying in 2021?
Given that the “vaccine” will render an unvaccinated, healthy, uninfected person to be infectious, then the headline should not be:
“Scotland Urged to Abandon Vaccine Passports After Research Showing Vaccinated Just as Infectious as Unvaccinated”
But:
“Scotland Urged to Abandon Vaccine Passports After Research Showing Vaccinated Are Now Infectious But Unvaccinated And Uninfected Are Not Infectious”
You’re welcome.
Not only that, it seems evidence is emerging that the vaccine/booster actually harms, even destroys our immune system. Evidence is needed of course (& I’m watching an interview with Geert Vanden Bossche on thehighwire.com to see what he says), but if the Precautionary Principle is applied, that would demand all vaccines and boosters are immediately and globally stopped.
and I do not doubt these criminal decision makers are very well aware of this emerging evidence; they are up to their hair follicles in the mess of their own making – sadly , there is no personally, life changing consequences that they are exposed to, hence no incentive to revisit these thought processes as most deeper thinking folks have to do daily – well certainly for me – I am 100% SARS COV2 “hesitant”…understatement.
The logical solution is for attendees at any event to show evidence of a lateral flow test that’s negative and done within the last 12 hours. That’s enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGOcMTFCBrk&ab_channel=Gov.BillLee
Let’s all go to Tennessee!!!
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/8020712/scots-covid-symptoms-test/
Let’s look at these worrying figures again, John.
Will they follow the scientist?
Get the feeling that Scotland and Austria don’t talk much?
Let’s hope so. I have two tickets for The Open at St Andrew’s next year and I will not be going if they are required.
We have known for months the vaccines do not stop the spread of infection ….. blows the entire argument for vaccine passports out of the water
The ongoing COVID-19 nonsense here in the United States exists solely and exclusively because our governments have failed to use the correct treatment. They used so-called “vaccines” when Japan has just proven, in less than ONE MONTH, that Ivermectin can wipe out the disease. IVM was awarded the Nobel prize for medicine in 2015. One of the 3 most important drugs in human history: Aspirin, Penicillin, and Ivermectin. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
Pfizer and AstraZeneca should be handing the money back. You’ve been mugged!
Swinney acknowledged the research but pledged to press on with vaccine passports in clubs and sports stadiums, and continue to consult businesses on expanding them to other settings.
Re-stated: We acknowledge the science, but the science doesn’t matter.
“Re-stated: We acknowledge the science, but the science doesn’t matter.”
“We acknowledge the science, but our science is better and what’s more, our science is settled”
Urge as much as you like but it’s not about what they say it’s about.
I’ve posted this before, but since it’s still relevant I’ll post it again…
That sign should be put on posts and hammered into the ground where every road passes into Scotland.
DJD, Can you apply your undoubted graphics skills to produce Frau Sturgeon as one of the Nuremberg rally Maedchens complete with uniform , as shown in the Battle of Britain scene when they scream “niemals” over and over again – or better still saluting….?
Dear me, how is this is even a debate? If you’re frightened of a virus, then YOU stay at home to protect YOURSELF. Let the rest of us who aren’t pissing our pants get on with our lives again.
YES, Indeed
OT as it’s related to Wales and as Drakeford has postponed the introduction of these inevitable documents until December 10th. When it can be shown that cases are rising because they’ve been back pointlessly testing school kids multiple times a week.
When they are introduced I’d be happy if someone can help point me in the right direction towards the laws on the following.
Me purchasing a large amount of alcoholic beverages, sitting outside one of Drakeford’s residence with a load of chairs and an honesty/donation box allowing residents to freely take and drink away in public. Any proceeds go to legal fees for those publicans opposing inevitable fines for not cooperating with the new Gestapo.
Hmmm…. nice purple tie John .
Purple for a requiem
“Mah porky pies ah this big!”
The passports don’t work, might actually increase infections due to false confidence but no chance in Hades the SNP will stop using them. Control is a lovely thing for busybodies.
Better than a vaccine? AstraZeneca’s preventative antibody drug slashes risk of falling ill with Covid by 83% and protection remains high after six months
So there you are, by their own admission the vaccines are obsolete & should be withdrawn from emergency use.
I still wouldn’t take any of their poison, I have a principal I don’t put poison in my body unless i’m sick.
and old asthma drug does 90% oops.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study
inhaled budesonide reduced the relative risk of requiring urgent care or hospitalisation by 90% in the 28-day study period
Look forward to them giving emergency authorisation for it to be used against covid 🙂
My God, not another repurposed corticosteroid out of patent statistically safe drug not mandated for use as a SARS COV2 prophylactic ………..”How dare they”
The manufacturers have said its not a vaccine and doesnt give immunity, so what are the politicians expecting? It couldn’t be a plan to control us using a virus, could it. What a mess these inept politicians have made of the world, meanwhile another 1000 sail in to the UK and most run off
Don’t be silly they don’t run off, the police help them escape.
French cops stand and watch as cheering migrants launch another dinghy into the channel
I was talking about when they land here, scenes in Kent of them doing a runner up a lovely country lane, and gone
I hope they are heading for Nicola Land (Scotland) then, perhaps our bobbies can issue them with a map and directions to the Highlands?
behave.
Oh I see, well you’ll be pleased to know the police buy them pizza & taxi them to a 4-star hotel, so don’t worry they’re not roaming the streets homeless 😉
Unlike the British homeless.
And Patel’s Taxi Service picks them up. I wonder how much she charges.
Inept? Nope, they are evil.
Not a chance of the Scottish reversing their ‘progress’ now. They’re enjoying Chinese democracy now, aka communism.
Somebody should add *Sturgeon’s Dictatorship of* on the Scotland signs at the border.
This seems to be the way the politicians want to control us. The Chinks already have the social score/surveillance apps and anyone who steps out of line against the government suddenly goes missing or dies, such as the two journalists who spilled about Covid, the doctor who revealed too much on their Whatsapp equivalent (because they won’t allow Western media) and even recently a Chinese Tennis player went missing after criticising the government. Their response is a pathetic fake cover-up email.
The Western governments must have looked on in awe at this power over the feeble people and got themselves excited about replicating it. We must succeed against the fat pig dictator where the hapless Chinks failed against the CCP
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https://off-guardian.org/2021/11/18/swedens-vaccine-passes-should-teach-us-an-important-lesson/
Meanwhile Sweden falls.
Suckered.
Of course they can’t abandon it. The vaccine wasn’t brought in because of the virus. The virus was brought in to promote the vaccine passport.
They won’t abandon it because it is a precursor to personal carbon credit allowance and a social credits system.
Rockefeller controlled China was just the testing ground for the global surveillance state being rolled out. The good slaves who are happy to be tracked, monitored and euthanised when the technocrats decide have nothing to fear.
Sweden falls. It will introduce passports showing vaccination status. A negative test will not be accepted as a substitute – either you’re vaccinated, or you can’t enter.
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/nyheter-och-press/nyhetsarkiv/2021/november/nya-atgarder-for-att-minska-spridning-av-covid-19/
As I have been telling people. The Scandinavian countries are not free, and never have been.
I’m rather enjoying all this now
Thick cunts being fucked about by self righteous sanctimonious cunts is always good for a laugh