We’re publishing a guest post by two Registered Nurses – Professor Roger Watson and Dr. Niall McCrae – about the extremism of some supporters of the official Covid narrative, particularly when it comes to the treatment of the unvaccinated. Could Zero Covid zealotry and pro-vaxx fanaticism be symptoms of a cult-like mindset, they wonder? Here is an extract:
Millions have been brought round to unquestioning faith in heroic medicine and herald vaccines as ‘miracles of science’, with slavish adherence to rules and restrictions. Indeed, in their blind obedience to the cause, many appear to have been ‘drinking the Kool-Aid’, a reference to the notorious cult led by Jim Jones. We are not suggesting that vaccine enthusiasts are at the same level of delusion as those of doomsday cults, but some parallels may be drawn. If we consider Jim Jones’s community in the Guyanan jungle as a Platonic pure form of cult behaviour, we can use such an extreme manifestation for comparative purpose.
An idealistic, charismatic figure, Jones was a civil rights activist in the 1960s. He gave his son the middle name of Ghandhi. Decrying social injustice, he recruited hundreds of black Americans, as well as numerous graduates versed in radical ideology. On November 18th 1978 the cult culminated in the murder-suicide of 918 followers, most having drunk cyanide-laced Kool-Aid on Jones’s order. How was such a massacre possible?
Theodore Millon, Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard, described a personality disorder featuring puritanical compulsion, whereby the world is divided into good and evil with no middle ground. With fanatical zeal, the self-declared good cannot bear to be in the company of the bad, which is why extreme cults take refuge outside normal society. Common to cults is a belief that humanity is in grave danger, and we can see this thinking in the more devout believers in climate change and Covid crises.
Research shows that that contrary evidence strengthens rather than undermines the beliefs of cult followers. The more compelling the facts, the shriller the reaction to the messenger. Cultists struggle to relax, which partly explains why they depend on meditative practices. Indeed, Covid culture has shown a difference in outlooks like that between progressives and conservatives. Converts to the conservative cause from the Left, such as educationalist Katharine Birbalsingh, were initially surprised to find that their erstwhile political opponents were not the ogres that they were portrayed to be. Tammy Bruce, a gay feminist broadcaster in the USA, remarked: “Something had to explain why my left elite allies were generally miserable, angry and paranoid, while the enemy was secure, comfortable, generally happy people.” Bruce came to realise the difference between idealistic engineering and conservative realism.
Covid vaccine absolutism allows no exemptions. Refuseniks will get no sympathy, and it is troubling to see the lack of lines drawn by punitive zealots. If the Government ordered vaccination of newborn babies, if unvaccinated relatives and neighbours were sent into quarantine camps, if hospital treatment were denied to the unvaccinated, would supporters of the regime call for caution? Unlikely, because that is not how cultists behave.
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Ha ha! You took the (single) word out of my thumb!
I switched off at “Platonic pure form”. Let’s take social criticism seriously and dialectically. This isn’t a game.
I think you need to think a little deeper.
Or maybe just think?
Interestingly, I had no memory of that being where the ‘drinking the Kool-Aid cliché originated.
I fear that most of my vaxxed acquaintance are likely to be experiencing ‘buyer’s regret’ in the not-too-distant future, and can only hope that there won’t be longer-term consequences for them to endure.
My hopes that there won’t be longer term consequences for them from the jabs are identical to their hopes that those of us who chose not to be jabbed can continue with our lives unhindered in any way.
My take on it is that some of the jabbed are of the view that if they got jabbed because they had no option but to get it (I’m thinking of people mandated to have it just to participate in normal life) then they feel “why should you not have to have it too?”
I also get a sense that the jabbed have almost brainwashed themselves into thinking that the jabs are “fantastic – everyone should get it” almost as a coping strategy, to placate their unease about having had it done.
Yes, you’ve got it. There are a lot of people who are pissed that they were coerced into doing this and want those of us that did not, to be punished – “why should they get off scot free”.
A good friend of mine in Spain told me at the beginning about her anger at a young lad, probably one of Merkel’s invitees, not wearing a face rag on the metro. She is a lovely person, never gets angry and is very much a live and let live person, but she was clearly somewhat peeved about this chap not wearing the rag – something she did not believe in herself and only wore because she would have been fined otherwise. I asked her why she cared and she said why should she have to wear it and not him. So unlike her.
Most of my friends and family are jabbed, no one has given me any grief about it, but if you talk about the problems currently arising they do indeed get quite uneasy and either do not want to hear it or do not want to believe it. Very clever to push it so fast so quick, once people were sucked in they knew they had them by the short and curlies. It’s going to take a couple of boosters or so before they realise the only way to make it stop is to stop rolling up their sleeve.
That’s the crux of it, people hate freedom, not their own freedoms, but other people being free!
They resent their own ‘virtue’ when they get bitter. So it is no virtue at all, just mindless conformity and reward seeking. You have to do what’s actually right, even if you gain nothing from it.
Especially the left/so called progressives. See Norbert Bolz abd others. They think people are good, but just have to be re-educated.
“Most of my friends and family are jabbed, no one has given me any grief about it, but if you talk about the problems currently arising they do indeed get quite uneasy and either do not want to hear it or do not want to believe it. “
I am in same position JDNL. One of my close relatives is becoming quite hostile because I haven’t had it – for the reason we discuss above.
My point is that they had the same choice to make as I did – the fact that they couldn’t cope with the restrictions that might be imposed, or didn’t want to be different/excluded, doesn’t mean that I have to make the same choice.
I tried recently to point out that soon the 2 jabs would become 3. They were adamant it would only be 2. Wonder if they will get now that I was right and wonder if they will think about what else I might have been right about? Doubt it. They will roll up sleeve for booster because otherwise they wouldn’t be able to eat out.
It is hard to stay strong – espec at moment because tomorrow in my region they will vote to make vaccine passports mandatory. That will have the net effect of making me as locked down in my own home as the unjabbed people in Austria. The same result will have been achieved but just done using slightly different wording. I will be made a second class citizen in my own country.
My parents are doubly-perforated. We still get on. The difference with bitter covidians vis-a-vis unvaxxed, is that we have already gone through almost 2 years of discomfort and thoroughly explored our motives and reasons and are prepared for years more of it; the covidians’ gamble has failed, and they are in shock and dismay. So they must turn on someone… it should be themselves and the gov, not us. The honest thing would be to admit their errors and join us, but pride and fury won’t allow it.
I actually don’t think that they think their gamble has failed. I think they think their gamble would work if only the rest of us have the jab. The media has pushed the line from the get go that the jabs are the way out of this – ergo it logically follows to covidians that the only think holding up the jabs being the way out of this is the unjabbed refuseniks
You don’t have to believe something for it to be true. They are in chains and a growing number are realising this. They can see the unjabbed and wonder how we’re not dead yet, while they themselves still get the dreaded virus. Time will tell how it all ends. But we are more resilient than they are. We have staked all, they have staked nothing.
It’s hard not to think this way; but I think we need to take the higher ground if possible… very hard admitting you’ve been had.
You can hope for them, but most wouldn’t return the sentiment.
not in my experience.
It showed up earlier in The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test – maybe that inspired the Jonestown business.
I thought I’d seen it elsewhere. That was a Thompson book that I tried (and failed) to finish. Guess I flunked the Acid Test.
Sadly I don’t think so, every time facts & evidence rears its ugly head they just double down on their dogma & fear.
In all honesty, i’m not anti-vaccine, though I care not to appease the cultists that attempt to divide & ostracize those that are. I never had a problem with anti-vaxxers, it’s their right to say no thanks, I make a point not to try to influence or comment on other people’s personal choices.
But vaccination has become akin to witch doctors voodoo, propagated by corporate interests, political dogma & the religion of scientism. Vaccination is part of a belief system by socialist sympathizers who need to rely on the state & miracles, the science on infectious disease is dodgy enough, let alone the corruption in big pharma. I’m weary of drugs not because I question science, but because I DON’T trust the drug pushers & dealers integrity.
“Sadly I don’t think so, every time facts & evidence rears its ugly head they just double down on their dogma & fear.”
Totally normal and absolutely necessary behaviour when things are starting to fall apart.
I walked out of my last full time Nursing post in May and my words entirely to quote “I don’t want to be part of your death cult” amongst an onslaught of truth bombs on my exit.
Well done.
Kudos a many.
Clown world rolls on.
I didn’t get a chance to walk out of the NHS – as an erstwhile volunteer I was told I would not be able to return unless I agreed to be jabbed.
Ironic in some ways because I caught it as a result of working there, what a surprise, but even though having resultant sterilising immunity I was considered a walking bio-hazard
Not the fault of those at the sharp end – it’s the f*****g bureaucrats as usual.
Sorry to hear that I remember whilst working in the NHS the WRVS and Pals were a fantastic resource.I did notice how rude and dismissive they could be to volunteers within their own ranks barmy!.Stay strong and stick to your principles this is a must serious time your amongst friends here.
We’ll have to promise the bureaucrats that we won’t crease their best suits as they’re driven to the town square to face the baying mob.
It is the most bizarre thing that there is so much fear & anxiety toward HEALTHY people, we all know the symptoms to avoid, again the blame lays with government employed psychologists & sociologists that have caused so much harm to society with their misinformation & propaganda.
True, but this situation was planned YEARS in advance, it seems. Too many variables in lockstep for this horror to be blamed on a handfull of factors or people.
Respect. You will be vindicated. You already have. Whether cult members will ever be able to face up to their actions is another matter. There was a whole generation of ‘quiet’ Germans.
Thank you appreciate your kind words.
Sounds like most of the people who comment on the BBC and Guardian.
Nah. A few might be like that.
The majority are more like cattle, not thinking too much and simply responding to prodding. They are even like cattle in the blank looks they have on their faces as fellow human beings are deprived of their freedom and humanity. The most sophisticated thought going through their minds is “i’m glad that’s not me”.
People are the problem but then they always have been. Misanthropy is simply the result of observation of the gullibility, ignorance and vindictive, venal, cruelty of most humans. We look around us today and we see a billion willing executioners. It’s probably hard for many to accept – I find today the only company I can stand is of those who were also bullied as kids. We know what people are like. People are scum.
Christians have always known that all people are born sinful and can only be redeemed through divine grace and faith in Christ. Given that grace and that faith, any person can be redeemed.
If you remove that belief, all you are left with is ‘people are scum’. Which is, of course, a great step forward.
I thought only Tories were scum? It’s a term normally reserved for anyone who disagrees with Angela Rayner.
The last 18 months or so have clearly shown that the vast majority of people do not want to live in a free society. What they want is to be infantilised, controlled and have all key decisions made for them. It is a terrifying prospect for the future
And to remove free thinking from those who are capable of it and want to keep it.
I think we can thank the Welfare State for that. It’s given people the idea that Nanny will take care of them from cradle to grave, even if she has to rob them blind in order to give enough back to survive on.
Very much like the gammas and deltas in Huxley’s Brave New World. As long as they get their soma and a night at the feelies they don’t give a shut.
Yes – so who are the obvious cult leaders, and why?
Can we also have some coverage of the Austrian apartheid situation, re: unvaxxed being locked down? This is a very important development.
Yup, I agree. I would like some detail, having only seen a few articles that have touched on the subject.
Like are there any government financial assistance for those not allowed to work? And if so, isn’t that an incentive not to get vaccinated? And if there isn’t, then what the actual f**k?
do you think there was government assistance for Jews not allowed to work in 1930’s Germany?
I know in our more supposedly enlightened age people are supposed to have “human rights” et al, but I think the whole point of the exclusion of the unjabbed is to make their life as difficult as possible
The little I do know of Austria’s lockdown of the unjabbed is that they are allowed out – for now – to exercise and to go to work.
It is punishment for refusing to contribute towards Pfizer’s coffers. Exactly the same way the Mafia protection rackets work.
At least the mafia provides some actual protection (even if only from the mob itself). You take the Pfisser poison and you’re worse off than before.
My understanding is that they need to get a certain proportion of the population compliant and ready for digital currency before they lose control of the economy and all bets are off. They’re in a race against the clock. Would explain the sense of urgency and the need to vaccinate literally everyone.
Can’t they just ban cash and get on with it? Or am I missing something?
Major societal change has to be done incrementally: ‘by the inch it’s a cinch – by the yard it’s hard’. Ditching cash and transitioning to CBDCs is a major change and a very hard sell – even more so than the climate change cultists (XR and Insulate Britain et al) who want us all to be vegetarians living in cold houses and never going anywhere. A nudge here, a carrot there, all infused with the occasional stick – they’ll drive us to point where they want us. Namely, a point of no return where a cashless society and CBDCs are the only available option.
Thanks for that. So, to get people to change to digital currency (isn’t that what cards are already?) you give them injections and coerce them, even kill them off, lie to them, and propagandise them (without ever mentioning the digital currency)? Why not have a referendum and fake the result, or repeat it endlessly? There are easier methods surely…
Hi BS665,
Credit/debit cards have some characteristics in common with CBDCs but are fundamentally different. CBDCs are programmable money, meaning that the bank (and, by extension, government) have total control regarding when, where and how you spend it. When this is linked to a social credit app’ (like the one currently used in China), they can stop you from buying anything in order to get you to modify your behaviour. I would point those that think this will never happen and is just paranoid conspiracy theory nonsense to the way government currently nudges and coerces us to do what it wants – e.g. taking the ‘vaccines’. Your idea of a referendum is good for us – but not for the government. (The last one was a disaster for them – so never again!) The reason being that when people understand the real reasons behind vaxx passports and CBDCs – no one – literally no one – would vote for them. That really would be on a par with turkeys voting for Christmas.
If you’re not clear how everything is connected and where this is all heading – this documentary may help:
https://odysee.com/@Truth_Comes_to_Light:6/New-Normal—Happen-Network:1
The creeping reality of tyranny is real, nevertheless I am reserving judgement on digital currency. In the end, we will all have to opt out of every ‘civilised’ mod-con, to remain free. Nobody is obliged to accept hypotheticals as certain, though.
Scepticism is healthy and, needless to say, I don’t expect you to accept my opinion without satisfying yourself that what I write is correct! Opting out will be increasingly difficult if one still wishes to remain ‘in’ the world. The only way that it might be possible would be to join a completely independent self-sufficient community – a la the Amish – in the U.S. That said, I think (I may be wrong) even they venture out and into ‘normal’ towns for materials they can’t produce themselves.
One third of the population is unvaxxed. Does this mean one third of the doctors, nurses, care workers, shop assistants, teachers, sewage workers, factory workers, firemen, farmers, policemen, street cleaners… and if so, and they are all locked up, who is doing their work?
As removed persons, they vacate the labour needed for their own upkeep. The vaxxed inherit the land!
I think there are many terms for what has happened to the willing majority. Most overlap or mean the same thing. I personally am more comfortable with the tag of Mass hypnosis. There is certainly cult-like behaviour in that.
One obvious fact though is that cults are usually a minority, turning their back on society and segregate.
What’s happened here is a societal switch. Society moved in direction, and left behind a bewildered minority. Confused at societies blind acceptance of what the minority believe to be a pantomime.
Cults tend to target individuals. Mass Hypnosis has transfixed society. And the individuals under the spell reinforce the other individuals.
The anger towards non-conformists can be demonstrated by most people who are under an ideological possession that is weak under scrutiny, and relies on mass censorship to survive.
People in the west assume the people they are dealing with are reciprocal (as the culture is).
https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-theory-for-systems-that-defy-newtons-third-law-20211111/
As you can see this is a mistake and leads to change when there is no real demand/reason for it.
I actually think that the jabbed consider the unjabbed and those who are opposed to the vax as a cult – you know, “conspiracy theorists”
so we think they are a cult. They think we are a cult. The only difference is that we haven’t been “adulterated” and had anything dodgy injected into us which might affect how we think and behave.
I certainly agree that they think we are a cult. It helps cement their world view that we are dealing with a deadly plague.
My post though was softly arguing against the term ‘cult’ for those on board the Covid train. I don’t think it fully meets the criteria.
When they’re on booster no. 15 and still getting sick, presumably they’ll start considering joining our cult.
With long term effects unknown, with suggestions that vaxxed people could well be a danger to those unvaxxed, it might not be possible to let them in our cult.
I have been blessed with the majority of my close family not having the jab. Though I have been very careful about bringing my 7 month old daughter to any family events in which my double jabbed brother and his partner are present.
He has only met her once. Fortunately he hasn’t asked too many questions.
I would imagine that for those who get to booster no.15 their health will have been so decimated by the effects of numbers 1-14 that they will be at death’s door and if not their mental faculties will likely be so transformed by what has been jabbed into them that they would be incapable of recognising the harm that has been done or realising that they have been lied to all along. So I don’t see them considering joining our cult by the time booster 15 comes along.
‘bewildered minority’
Certainly a member of that! And wouldn’t have it any other way!
Based on the sheer viciousness of the zealotry on display from the extreme panickers, I’d say Watson and McCrae are correct. Just try reading any social media feed relating to people losing their jobs for dissenting from the panickers’ creed, or being beaten by police for protesting the enforcement of their dogmas. There’s very little human empathy, let alone tolerance of dissent, there.
“We wonder whether, if and when the Covid emergency ends, the most faithful followers of Covid orthodoxy will take themselves off to a redoubt, and it will be we sceptics who will try to coax them back.”
I’d prefer to wall them in, tbh. Lack of empathy and intolerance of dissent deserves to be repaid in kind.
As in ‘what goes around comes around’.
“Wondering”? I don’t wonder at all.
We’re now at the point where a majority of the State’s subjects are simply following orders, and they will use that as an excuse even when confronted with the consequences.
Sadly, there will be no Nuremberg 2, since that requires a benign State to topple the despotic one first.
Don’t know, but the people pulling the strings are working directly for Satan
Nah. Satan’s working for them.
Old hat. We’ve known for months that it’s a cult. The most evil one ever.
Will booster number 666 be the Kool-Aid?
Does the face mask in the photo have chloroform on it? A new way of date rape? “Here, let me help you with your mask.”
For months now the customers at my local Morrisons in Bude have continued to be masked up to the eyeballs, although today in the drinks aisle there were only 7 of us, and all free of any face covering.
I went to Gloucestershire at the weekend to stay with one of my sons – we went to my grandsons’ school firework display and not a single adult was wearing a face covering of any sort, including the staff serving drinks and food. The children were all running around playing tag, just like children should do. What a relief to be back amongst normality again, maybe I should move house.
Alright, listen up, here’s a history lesson. They didn’t drink the Kool-Aid. Pay attention now, you’re going to learn something. When the events unfolded at the Jim Jones cult in Guyana, hundreds of them fled into the jungle. When the authorities arrived, there were 400 dead bodies on the ground, and as many people again missing. They searched the jungle for nearly a week to try to find them, but couldn’t. Then a miracle happened. They found the missing 400. Each of them was under one of the original 400 bodies. Yes, you read that right, and no, I am not making this up. Each dead body was actually a pile of two dead bodies. They upgraded the death count to 800+ and the world swallowed the story about it being Kool-Aid. Because they weren’t killed by Kool-Aid. The chief pathologist of Guyana reported at a conference the following year that he found hypodermic needle marks in the shoulder blades of 80% of the victims. It wasn’t mass suicide, it was mass murder. And they poor souls who died were not the ones who were the victims of a mass mind control experiment. That was the world. To this day, the myth of the Kool-Aid persists, even to the memory of that Time magazine cover. But that’s what happened.
So, funny thing, they all died of a jab actually. And they didn’t need the booster. And the rest of us, we all died a little that day too as the fake story took hold in the media, and in our imaginations. Now, ‘drink the Kool-Aid’. is everyone’s go-to phrase for such events, but it was a psy-op mass murder, not a mass suicide. And now you know.
Oh you want sources? Track down John Judge’s original research if you can find it. Better yet, get a hold of any newspaper from that week and watch the story unfold day by day as they searched for the missing 400 on the first days, only to find them, under the bodies as I said, after a week. It was a wonder that the world swallowed it, but then again, it was in the pre-internet era. On the other hand, people are just as easily fooled today as then.
So is vaxx a cult? Yes. Yes it is. And it’s all going to end the same way, sadly.
More lightly entertaining than enlightening.
One of my ‘colleagues’ was buzzing today at the thought of the Austrian lockdown for the unvaxxed. Bearing in mind they know I’m unvaxxed, they still thought it was acceptable to smile with a glint in their eye when it got a mention in the canteen.
I made me realise how much I have come to secretly despise this person over the last 18 months. Everyone else thinks they are a nice person, but I can detect a subtle sinister side to them, which I don’t think many others can pick up on.
They were furloughed for weeks/months last year (when I wasn’t thankfully) then came back bragging about sitting in the garden getting paid to get pissed. They also downloaded the NHS App hoping to get ‘pinged’ to get yet more paid time off work.
Strangely enough, when the football season started in August, they deleted the NHS App as they didn’t want to miss the match. 2 jabs later, plus multiple tests, they are talking about getting on the vax bus this week for their booster.
However, this person is thinking about delaying the booster until next week, in case they miss the match at the weekend due to an adverse reaction. I can picture this person with a German uniform on, but it’s certainly not the one Franz Beckenbauer used to wear.
“I can picture this person with a German uniform on, but it’s certainly not the one Franz Beckenbauer used to wear.”
As a German and huge fan of that Kaiser, I can tell you that you’ve just become immortalized through this line.
Cheers JayBee, the same person asked recently if they could refuse to work with an unvaxxed colleague. Proper little Nazi.
Your story reminds me of how much I hate Branch Covidians, they’re the enemy, they’re not as bad as you think they are, they’re worse.
Its definitely brought out all the weirdo’s from under their rocks. For now, they think it makes them look special, and no doubt they’ll carry on getting jabbed without even wondering why
Could Zero Covid zealotry and pro-vaxx fanaticism be symptoms of a cult-like mindset, they wonder?
I see similarities between covid fanaticism and the totalitarian Nazi and Communist regimes under both Hitler and Stalin – you cannot help but see it especially in many parts of Europe now where in places like Austria now they are now openly discriminating against those who are unvaccinated – even though the vaccinated are just as likely to catch and spread the virus as the unvaccinated. Never forget that those totalitarian regimes of the past were not run by insane criminals – many were highly educated people including many doctors, lawyers, psychiatrists etc who were in many cases probably the most susceptible to state propaganda and manipulation – and (unlike much of the lower classes who usually had no choice) never ever broke ‘the rules‘ even if the rules made absolutely no sense at all – like the covid propaganda of today both ideologies promised paradise if everyone sticks to the rules (not laws) but rules .. rules which were always changing even on a daily basis (a key characteristic of totalitarian regimes). Both the Nazi and Communist regimes also offered privileges to those who played along and removed privileges from those who did not and even punished those who voiced opposing opnions who were labeled consiracy theorists, trouble-makers, anti-government insurgents, dissenters, and even mentally ill.
I still think this attempt to edit the WHO, the current US government and president Xi’s marvellous, non-functional strategy for dealing with a harmless pathogen out of the picture is highly misguided.
The two playbooks – Hitler’s and the covid-cult are identical. There aren’t similarities – they are the same.
The question in the headline is rhetorical.
And, since Lockdown is communist doomsday cultism, it follows that the result of lockdown is communist doomsday cultism.
Viewer comment from the following video …
I see 3 groups immune <to the covid propaganda> : 1. Those who’ve been abused and are suspicious of manipulation attempts, 2. Those with religious, spiritual belief in a creator, and are aware of evil, 3.those who have been scapegoats in their family, and are independent, or have had a hard life and so have life sense.
Its just over an hour long but this is a great video to watch…
Mattias Desmet, Professor of Clinical Psychology at Ghent University in Belgium, and his observations over the past 18 months have led him to conclude that the overwhelming majority have indeed fallen under a kind of spell. Except it’s not actually a spell, of course: the term for it is ‘mass formation’ and right now it’s manifesting as a psychological response — not unlike hypnosis — to the unrelenting, single-focus campaign of fear to which we have all been subjected.
COVID : WHY DO SO MANY STILL BUY INTO THE NARRATIVE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLDpZ8daIVM&t=39s
There is an ivermectin panic on the big tech and MSM right now. Massive articles from MSM on Ivermectin trying to push a danger narrative and also negative press on Americans Frontline Dr’s, again, to keep the Covid narrative alive. Just go to the Goog and type ivermectin then look at all the panic news articles. We are over the target. Big-Pharma is panicking. This medicine has been widely used by humans without any problems for 40 years. It’s inventor won a Nobel Prize after 20 years of successful use and after 100 million people were cured of a broad spectrum of problems without any side effects. Get your Ivermectin while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
Time to escape into the jungle.
I think there is a lot of truth in this and it should also hold up a mirror to those on the sceptical side. The way people who chose to take the jab are discussed by some people here is just as shameful. Plenty of us who were lockdown sceptics from day one saw the jabs as a way out of the crisis. The jury is certainly out on them and I won’t be having a booster myself anytime soon but I do get tired of some of the sneering on here and so barely bother with below the line anymore as it is too much of an anti jab cult with all the talk of “shedding” and pine needle tea. Perhaps it isn’t just the extreme pro vaxxers who want to divide the world into good and evil and separate out those they see as evil? Personally I have always stood by the right of people who chose not to be jabbed to participate fully in society and I won’t go near any business that discriminates. I did my social outcast bit by never wearing a mask. It would be nice if people here could be a little less hostile. We all make choices based on our personal circumstances and the evidence we have at the time and we all have to live with our decisions for good or ill.
My thoughts exactly AWD. I have been double jabbed simply through coercion as I didn’t want the bloody jabs but did want to do things such as holiday. I had a mild dose of the Covid early March 2020 before everyone was getting excited. My missus also got double jabbed but got a breakthrough infection 5 months later – she failed to pass it on to me!
I feel/hope that I still have a robust immune system from years of meeting thousands of people each year in my job.
We are both delaying the f’ing booster(s) until we are, once again, coerced
Also we appear to be inverting virtue signalling; look at me I’m not double jabbed, how clever and virtuous am I.
Doing what we criticise the vaxxed for doing (and mask wearers!)
Cant say ive ever seen much talk of either shedding or pine needle tea on here, but as you brought it up, there are legitimate concerns around shedding which high calibre professionals say have not been ruled out. Shedding is discussed by Pfizer in official jab documents so its not cock and bull.
Its clear that the jabs are harmful, dangerous, ineffective and completely unnecessary. The beligerence comes from those who refuse to look at both sides of the argument. We all know the government line, the problem is too many people only know that version of events, because they are closed minded. When you try to explain anything about the issues with this rotten affair, the followers of the government become very hostile. Its very frustrating to try to help people by telling them important info, only for them to literally take the piss out of you to your face, with accusations of insanity being commonplace. I think people who know what is going on have become very tired of the attitude they face when trying to help people and share valuable knowledge with them.
The way that the cult is being suggested for pro-vaxxers and particularly ardent Lockdown fanatics has a term. It is called cognitive dissonance.
I had that conversation with a friend at a time: “Are you going to have a vaccine? Why not? It gives you so many benefits!” I explained my reasons, based on my medical history, although he didn’t really care. Very soon after he had his, it turned into: “ Why anyone would refuse vaccine? It’s against the agenda!” Our friendship has been cancelled of course (not by me).
If it was ANYTHING at all to do with health [which it patently isn’t] then your medical history would be right there at the top of the pile in terms of your decision making when it comes to your friend, your doctor, your government.
But no. It doesn’t work like that at all. I would imagine that if I, in a similar position to you, was to try to seek advice from my GP he would completely discount my medical history and advise me to get jabbed, despite the fact that he will have absolutely no way of knowing how the 3 jabs would affect my health as, after all, all the data won’t be in until 2023 or maybe even later.
When all is said and done your health is all you have and you have to do everything in your power to safeguard it. Without it you have nothing.
The more they ‘cry wolf’, the more deaf to them I become.
A retail assistant perfectly summed up our chat in March 20 about silliness of panic and restrictions with: “they’re victims, we’re survivors”
The New Normal term for Pro-Vax is the #MaxVaxx
I have just recovered from the “convid” although I admit I was slightly nervous when the test was positive as I have not had any jabs. However, as I suspected it was just the flu and I am now more convinced than ever that is exactly what it is – Covid is normal flu re-branded.
This article is spot on… The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray is also a good read and makes your realise that human perception is way off the mark and therefore easily manipulated by the con artists of the world.
Some of the ways they mess with the mind explained:
Yuri Bezmenov – Ideological Subversion. KGB Defector Interview. 1984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEefbbApuaE
COVID 19 – The UK Scamdemic – Part 2
https://in-this-together.com/covid-19-the-uk-scamdemic-part-2/
The Communist Takeover Explained (1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LTrqv3sFE