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More Than 11,000 Contracted Covid and Died after Being Admitted to Hospital

by Luke Perry
9 November 2021 9:51 AM

Hospital data shows that nearly 12,000 patients who were admitted to hospitals for other illnesses probably caught Covid while there and died shortly afterwards. This finding has boosted calls to implement mandatory vaccination measures for all NHS staff, with the policy becoming enforced sometime during the spring – although why, exactly, is unclear, given that the vaccinated can still catch the disease and infect others. The Telegraph has the story.

On Monday night, MPs condemned the figures as a “scandal”. 

The revelation has prompted fresh calls for vaccinations for NHS staff to become compulsory, amid fears that hospitals could struggle to cope during the winter.

It is expected that the Government will announce mandatory vaccination for NHS staff this week, but give them until spring to get the jab.

Jeremy Hunt, the Conservative Chairman of the Health and Social Care select committee, said: “These numbers are truly shocking… hospital infections have been the deadliest silent killer of the pandemic… It surely strengthens the case for mandatory vaccination for frontline healthcare staff.”

Using Freedom of Information laws, the Telegraph obtained data from NHS Trusts around England showing the numbers of Covid cases that were likely caught in hospital, known as nosocomial infections, and subsequent deaths.

The disclosures reveal that 11,688 people who died in hospital after testing positive for Covid likely caught the virus there, accounting for one in eight Covid deaths in hospital.

One trust recorded as many as 484 deaths of patients who were thought to have caught the virus on wards during the pandemic. In some trusts, around a third of the patients who had died with Covid had caught the virus in hospital.

The revelations will raise concerns that hospitals have become a breeding ground for the virus and that the NHS has not taken adequate measures to stop it from spreading.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: Our in-house doctor pointed out the danger of in-hospital infections in October, 2020. As with most big Covid news stories, you read it here first.

Stop Press 2: Boris Johnson visited a hospital in the North East yesterday without wearing a mask. The Guardian has more.

Boris Johnson with Marion Dickson, the executive director of nursing and other specialisms for Northumbria Healthcare, during a visit to Hexham general hospital in Northumberland on Monday. Photograph: Peter Summers/AP

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varmint
varmint
10 months ago

Boris you had your chance to be right wing and you never took it so F OFF. —How is that “Saudi Arabia of Wind” working out for you? It is imbeciles like you that got us in this mess. You got your 80 seat majority then pissed it into the wind with your pretend to save the planet CRAP. Now Miliband will show you how it is really done now that the eco Socialists are going to be virtual dictators with a majority that makes yours like a kiddie portion.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
10 months ago
Reply to  varmint

“We are capable of endless regeneration”…What, like Doctor Who? Why aren’t you prattling on about ”Build back better”, Johnson? Or has that tired old slogan gone out of fashion nowadays? We don’t need any awkward reminders of your deceitful, criminal behaviour and epic failures during the scamdemic, right? We’ve instead got Davos boy Starmer and his cronies on about ”reset” this and ”great reset” that. Like we were all born yesterday and pay no heed to the language they choose to use.
Of course Starmer wastes no time in scrapping the Rwanda scheme either, not that anyone exactly had high hopes for that to be successful in any way. We know Starmer isn’t a fan of deporting illegals, even if they commit crimes;

”A Labour insider confirmed to The Telegraph that it was now “dead”, saying: “If Rishi Sunak thought Rwanda would work, he wouldn’t have called an election. It was a con. By calling an election, Sunak was acknowledging that fact.”
Britain can end the Rwanda scheme by terminating the agreement through a break clause. Under the clause, the UK will not have to make any further payments from the date it is activated.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/05/starmer-kills-off-rwanda-plan-on-first-day-as-pm/

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JXB
JXB
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

““We are capable of endless regeneration”…”

Endless degeneration more like, as the former Conservative Party has so readily and determinately demonstrated since 1992.

Fell Thatcher, fell the last stand of Conservatism.

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Smudger
Smudger
10 months ago
Reply to  JXB

“We are capable of devising every more devious ways of pulling the wool over credulous Conservative voters eyes'”

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Build Back Better slogan has not totally gone away, seen it mentioned on some Think Tank in Friday’s UK Column.

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varmint
varmint
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Apparently Keir (Change) Starmer is off to Scotland Wales etc he says to “reset” the relationship between Westminster and the Devolved Governments. The globalists don’t even hide their intentions. He doesn’t even have the brains to pick a different word than “reset”. Mind you 90% of the public don’t know what the “great reset” is anyway so why should he bother trying to be diplomatic? We have the government we deserve for the next 5 years.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago
Reply to  varmint

He seems to have done well from spaffing his 80 seat majority. Got a nice big house now and just like Mrs May maybe there is more to just speeches that get rewarded so handsomely.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  varmint

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-bojo-academy-rip/

Bitingly brilliant satire which pretty much says all that is required re the outgoing traitors.

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varmint
varmint
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

ha ha ha funny

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Freddy Boy
Freddy Boy
10 months ago
Reply to  varmint

Exactly ! Bojo,s hypocrisy is painful ! He had the chance to save the UK . He turned my relief as Bercow,s prolonged Brexit shenanigans were finally stopped to Utter Despair ! Now here he is talking shite , it’s too F ing late !!

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
10 months ago

I don’t think there is any chance of Reform letting the Tory party join them.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

The last thing Reform needs, the last thing we need is for Reform to become infected by a virus known as ‘treason tory.’

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JXB
JXB
10 months ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

Why would they – there is no need.

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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago

Boris should understand why people are voting Reform (I cannot understand the Labour vote). Boris’ 2019 acceptance speech (see below) came across as sincere, especially as this was post election with a large electoral mandate. Covid arrived not long after along with Klaus Schwab’s WEF power grab. Almost all of the fine words below are anathema to the global collectivists so while the main responsibility for not delivering any of the following lies with Boris, perhaps he was sabotaged by a very powerful and sophisticated enemy (UK Civil Service, UN, EU, ECHR, WHO, CCP).

Good afternoon
I have just been to see Her Majesty the Queen who has invited me to form a government and I have accepted. I pay tribute to the fortitude and patience of my predecessor
and her deep sense of public service but in spite of all her efforts it has become clear that there are pessimists at home and abroad who think that after three years of indecision
that this country has become a prisoner to the old arguments of 2016 and that in this home of democracy we are incapable of honouring a basic democratic mandate.

And so I am standing before you today to tell you the British people that those critics are wrong. The doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters – they are going to get it wrong again. The people who bet against Britain are going to lose their shirts because we are going to restore trust in our democracy and we are going to fulfil the repeated promises of parliament to the people and come out of the EU on October 31, no ifs or buts, and we will do a new deal, a better deal that will maximise the opportunities of Brexit while allowing us to develop a new and exciting partnership with the rest of Europe based on free trade and mutual support I have every confidence that in 99 days’ time we will have cracked it but you know what – we aren’t going to wait 99 days because the British people have had enough of waiting The time has come to act, to take decisions to give strong leadership and to change this country for the better and though the Queen has just honoured me with this extraordinary office of state my job is to serve you, the people because if there is one point we politicians need to remember it is that the people are our bosses.

My job is to make your streets safer – and we are going to begin with another 20,000 police on the streets and we start recruiting forthwith.
My job is to make sure you don’t have to wait 3 weeks to see your GP and we start work this week with 20 new hospital upgrades, and ensuring that money for the NHS really does get to the front line.
My job is to protect you or your parents or grandparents from the fear of having to sell your home to pay for the costs of care and so I am announcing now – on the steps of Downing Street – that we will fix the crisis in social care once and for all with a clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve.
My job is to make sure your kids get a superb education wherever they are in the country
and that’s why we have already announced that we are going to level up per pupil funding in primary and secondary schools and that is the work that begins immediately behind that black door and though I am today building a great team of men and women I will take personal responsibility for the change I want to see. Never mind the backstop – the buck stops here.

And I will tell you something else about my job. It is to be Prime Minister of the whole United Kingdom and that means uniting our country answering at last the plea of the forgotten people and the left behind towns by physically and literally renewing the ties that bind us together so that with safer streets and better education and fantastic new road and rail infrastructure and full fibre broadband we level up across Britain with higher wages, and a higher living wage, and higher productivity we close the opportunity gap
giving millions of young people the chance to own their own homes and giving business the confidence to invest across the UK because it is time we unleashed the productive power not just of London and the South East but of every corner of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland the awesome foursome that are incarnated in that red white and blue flag who together are so much more than the sum of their parts and whose brand and political personality is admired and even loved around the world for our inventiveness, for our humour, for our universities, our scientists, our armed forces, our diplomacy for the equalities on which we insist – whether race or gender or LGBT or the right of every girl in the world to 12 years of quality education and for the values we stand for around the world.
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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

…and don’t forget that in the event of a no deal outcome we will have the extra lubrication of the £39 bn and whatever deal we do we will prepare this autumn for an economic package to boost British business and to lengthen this country’s lead as the number one destination in this continent for overseas investment.

And to all those who continue to prophesy disaster I say yes – there will be difficulties though I believe that with energy and application they will be far less serious than some have claimed. But if there is one thing that has really sapped the confidence of business over the last three years it is not the decisions we have taken it is our refusal to take decisions. And to all those who say we cannot be ready I say do not underestimate this country. Do not underestimate our powers of organisation and our determination because we know the enormous strengths of this economy in life sciences, in tech, in academia, in music, the arts, culture, financial services. It is here in Britain that we are using gene therapy, for the first time, to treat the most common form of blindness – Here in Britain that we are leading the world in the battery technology that will help cut CO2 and tackle climate change and produce green jobs for the next generation.

And as we prepare for a post-Brexit future it is time we looked not at the risks but at the opportunities that are upon us. So let us begin work now to create freeports that will drive growth and thousands of high-skilled jobs in left behind areas.

Let’s start now to liberate the UK’s extraordinary bioscience sector from anti genetic modification rules and let’s develop the blight-resistant crops that will feed the world. Let’s get going now on our own position navigation and timing satellite and earth observation systems – UK assets orbiting in space with all the long term strategic and commercial benefits for this country.

Let’s change the tax rules to provide extra incentives to invest in capital and research and let’s promote the welfare of animals that has always been so close to the hearts of the British people and yes, let’s start now on those free trade deals, because it is free trade that has done more than anything else to lift billions out of poverty, all this and more we can do now and only now, at this extraordinary moment in our history. And after three years of unfounded self-doubt it is time to change the record to recover our natural and historic role as an enterprising, outward-looking and truly global Britain, generous in temper and engaged with the world.

No one in the last few centuries has succeeded in betting against the pluck and nerve and ambition of this country. They will not succeed today. We in this government will work flat out to give this country the leadership it deserves and that work begins now.

Thank you very much
Published 24 July 2019

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

Thanks for posting.

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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I copied the speech from the .gov website here:
http://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/boris-johnsons-first-speech-as-prime-minister-24-july-2019
I would have thought that a UK government website would be managed by those that have English language skills at A level standard at least? It has been presented with minimal punctuation and random and frequent paragraph type spacing. I have done my best to reformat but I cannot understand why this is so bad.
I counted just 8 commas and 1 full stop. There might be more punctuation, but with over 1,600 words it doesn’t matter if it’s 8 or 9 commas and 1 or 2 full stops, it’s still appalling.
It’s the same with Master Starmer’s speech.

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GroundhogDayAgain
GroundhogDayAgain
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

That didn’t age well!

Not one sentence of that utter guff has come true.

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

The poor punctuation could be due to it being automatically generated by computer.

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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago
Reply to  Norfolk-Sceptic

Quite probably and that doesn’t seem to bother anyone in government.

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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

And automatic computer generations don’t seem to bother the Post Office, or Boeing, the UN, EU, Pfizer, Gates either.

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Monro
Monro
10 months ago

Who to listen to?

I know……Let’s all listen to the bloviating bozo who panicked £400bn+ on fascist measures in the face of a simple common cold coronavirus…or not really…..

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Mogwai
Mogwai
10 months ago
Reply to  Monro

I’m always struck by how many people refer to him by his first name. It sounds way too informal and chummy, like they know him or something…Honestly, I’d settle for ”BoJo”, to be honest. It does what it says on the tin.
Maybe it’s just me reading too much into things, but I don’t remember anyone referring to David Cameron as ”Dave”, or Theresa May as ”Tess”. Let’s see how many refer to Keir Starmer as ”Keir”, just as a little experiment.

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Dinger64
Dinger64
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Starmer will always be ‘tw@t’ to me

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Or Sir Kneel.

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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I don’t think it matters whether first or last names are used but what the sentiment is. Between ‘Boris’ and ‘Johnson’ the former is an easier and more obvious identifier and it doesn’t mean we are being mates with him.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

It was an observation not a criticism. I just find it intriguing why people do it with Johnson but nobody else on the regular. It’s like they know him personally or went to school with him. So using your logic ‘Keir’ should be the preferred name to refer to Starmer by, given that it’s both uncommon and has only one syllable. So onwards with my observational experiment..

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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Understood.

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godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I don’t want anyone to police my speech. If people want to call him ‘Boris’, let them call him ‘Boris’. If people want to call Eddie Izzard ‘Susie’, or refer to him as ’she’, let them call him ’Susie’ and ’she’, just don’t expect me to go along with your delusion.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
10 months ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

And how am I policing anyone’s comments exactly? But don’t let that stop you trawling after me round the comments sections, throwing your usual strawmen and snarky, unpleasant comments my way. It’s how you roll, after all. Some things never change…

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godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I didn’t say you were policing comments, Mogwai. I very clearly saw that you said, “It was an observation not a criticism” and I wasn’t suggesting otherwise. But don’t let that stop you imagining things.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
10 months ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

”I don’t want anyone to police my speech. If people want to call him ‘Boris’, let them call him ‘Boris’.” How’s that me ”imagining things” then? Where did I say that people should not do as they please? But because you have a track record of consistently coming on here only to have a go and complain about my posts, displaying regularly your churlish and generally unpleasant attitude, I’m finding it rather hypocritical that you seem to find it acceptable to ”police MY speech”.
Don’t worry, you’re not the only one who routinely displays their double standards on here and demonstrably can dish it out but they can’t take it. You two-faced so-and-so.

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godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

When I said, “”I don’t want anyone to police my speech. If people want to call him ‘Boris’, let them call him ‘Boris’”, I was referring to people who try to police speech. If you don’t try to police speech (and I wasn’t suggesting you do), then I wasn’t referring to you. It’s as simple as that.

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godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

“But because you have a track record of consistently coming on here only to have a go and complain about my posts”

Can you show me any examples of when I had a go and complained about your posts, because I honestly don’t remember any.

I disagree with some people’s posts from time to time, such as huxley’s and tof, but that doesn’t mean I’m having a go or complaining about them, it’s simply disagreeing with them, giving an opposing opinion, and it’s nothing personal. I may have occasionally disagreed with something you have said too, but I’m not aware of ever having a go or complaining about any of your posts.

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godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Mogwai, if I was criticising you, I would have downvoted your post to which I was replying and/or your previous post about ‘Boris’, but nobody downvoted either of your two posts, which proves I didn’t downvote them, yet you think I was disagreeing with you and criticising you. Unfortunately you got the wrong end of the stick.

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soundofreason
soundofreason
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

‘Johnson’ is also an American not too impolite term for penis.

As the product of a toolmaker Sir Keir should be proud to bear the name.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
10 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

LOL! 🙂

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RW
RW
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

How about yoyo — capable of endlessly going up and down without ever getting anywhere.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Keir?

I thought he was called Kneel.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Haha, well I’m all for insulting nicknames that single somebody out, i.e ‘Khant’.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I am very proud of ‘the Khant’ with its double edged meaning.😀

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Labour want to install Khant’s all over the UK. That is also a WEF outlook with Mayors who dance to their tune. One way local democracy .

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

That provided a chuckle. Thanks Ron👍

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JohnK
JohnK
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

‘Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson’ being his formal name, and was actually born in New York, NY in 1964.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  JohnK

New York can have him back.

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coulie45
coulie45
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

You’re certainly right about Theresa May but many non-Cameron ‘followers’ used to, and probably still do, refer to him as “call me Dave”, remembering when as PM he was trying to be all things to all men.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago
Reply to  coulie45

Hug a Hoddie.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Hoodie.

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Sinor
Sinor
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I have always called him the Pig Dictator as thats what he is .Any familiarity for this tosser is not deserved.I hope he rots in hell very slowly .You may sense I am not a fan !!

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago
Reply to  Sinor

Mr “cast iron guarantee”……Second time lucky thanks to Farage, and also thanks to an expanded UKIP because of Dave’s Gay Marriage pushed through despite not being in the Manifesto. Sometimes good things come from bad decisions, that being Brexit, despite it being watered down.

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soundofreason
soundofreason
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Sir Keir.

I think there’s no other ”Sir’ named Keir so his family surname is not necessary to qualify it. It has the great advantage of being formally correct so nobody can accuse me of a lack of respect and it identifies him with no possibility of confusion… and I understand he hates it.

All good.

I have no real objection to name calling so the above suggestions of ‘yoyo’ or ‘tw@t’ are good ones – but you almost certainly need to explain which one you mean.

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GroundhogDayAgain
GroundhogDayAgain
10 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

He’ll never get a “Sir” from me.

Kier if I’m feeling charitable. It’ll be something less pleasant when I’m not.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  GroundhogDayAgain

Personally I find Kneel most appropriate and of course it is synonymous with that wonderful picture of him and Ranting taking the knee for that criminal George Floyd. It reinforces what pathetic, treasonous, despicable people they truly are.

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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago
Reply to  Monro

Every leader right across the World acted in a similar way. It has been a disaster for the poorest countries especially in Africa and Boris was not involved.
The opposition wanted stronger and harder lockdowns. To be clear I am not supporting him in any way as he had his opportunity to be a Churchill and he blew it. However, Churchill was not being sabotaged by the Civil Service. In those days they were relatively civil and understood their role as a service.

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RW
RW
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

The Tories have been in government for 14 years. They’ve made no real attempt to de-Labour the Uncivil Nonservice and hence, they cannot really claim to have been sabotaged by it. It’s always a good idea to assume that people want what the outcome of their actions must be. Hence, Sunak probably wanted Rwanda to generate supportive headlines and counted on the Notcivil Unservice to stop it from being actually implemented, anyway.

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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago
Reply to  RW

My father joined De-Haviland as an electrician in 1942 and retired from aviation as an electrical inspector in the 1970s. He was thoroughly disillusioned with both Labour and Conservative for how they had both managed to trash the UK aviation industry. That was his opinion nearly 50 years ago.

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sskinner
sskinner
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

The UK has been run by the Oxbridge revolutionaries as a command economy since 1945 and often with what appears to be the intent of stopping any success, perhaps as a punishment for not joining the Bolsheviks in 1918?

The following was about the US, but equally applies to the UK, or any Western country:
“These men are not incompetent or stupid. They are craft and brilliant. Consistency never has been a mark of stupidity if the diplomats who have mishandled our relations were merely stupid they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor. The fact that not one single mistake has fallen in our favor I would suggest that’s not incompetence that’s people working to a script “
James Forrestal

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DHJ
DHJ
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

The first US secretary of defence and following his untimely death, possibly the last to express anything overly controversial.

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RW
RW
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

That’s the usual paranoid story of the so-called American¹ right and it still doesn’t make much sense. Humans are notoriously bad at putting grand schemes to execution, hence, if everything seem to be going to plan, that’s a tell-tale sign that there is no plan.

¹ Why does it always have to be the A-Americans or the B-Americans, anyway? What about “Let the Americans worry about themselves?”

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

It’s true of most manufacturing and infrastructure industries, with NET Zero and the Civil Nuclear Power generation being two more obvious examples.

There’s little STEM experience in Parliament, so how on earth do they judge the experts. You only need to throw in a basic fact (A level) that you did at school, and some look uneasy, and others are pleased they are talking to someone who understands, even if it’s ‘not a lot’! 🙂

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Monro
Monro
10 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

Quite so.

However Mr Johnson regards himself as being exceptional.

Given the advantages he has enjoyed in life, the ‘professional’ support Britain’s Prime Minister receives in office, he should be held to higher standards than other leaders.

We know Mr Jesse Norman, in cabinet, asked for a cost benefit analysis on lockdowns and was ignored.

We also know that the French President, I forget his name, threatened Mr Johnson with the closing of the French border if Britain did not put in place stronger measures against covid.

I really don’t see, therefore, any mitigation in concluding that Mr Johnson is a bloviating bozo, arguably the worst PM, in a long list of no hopers, that this country has ever had.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago
Reply to  Monro

I don’t buy it that the Lockdown’s were because of some threats by Macron. It seems much more likely that they were planned in advance, how far in advance not sure. There was Event201 that is a red flag.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Ron, the whole pantomime was planned in advance. Event 201, the real Event 201will have taken place a year or two previously. The Davos Deviants take great delight in telling us what they are going to do and then doing it. For this reason we know Scamdemic ll is on the way – they have promised us.

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JohnK
JohnK
10 months ago

Presumably he doesn’t want a Conservative Reform Alliance Party! Incidentally, the other day, Farage expressed his interest in, err, reforming the voting system, perhaps along the lines of the London one. At present, it looks like the Welsh Senedd will be next guinea pig for that, in 2026.

If they think it through ( for the time being assume that they could), they might realise that adopting some kind of proportional system might undermine the structure of Parties as well.

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  JohnK

There are so many variations of PR, it’s impossible to take it seriously until some analysis has been done and discussed.

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Gordon's Alive
Gordon's Alive
10 months ago

Boris is a delusional quomble.

I voted Tory in 2019 so that we would finally leave the EU and BoJo the clown was the only one offering that after Farage stood aside. Under any other circumstances I would not have voted for that utter buffoon.

The Tories are not in the slightest conservative and so I’m glad Boris has had his say today because if they listen to that idiot it will be another nail in their coffin as they steadfastly match to their electoral funeral.

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Dinger64
Dinger64
10 months ago
Reply to  Gordon's Alive

Quomble! I like that one👍

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  Gordon's Alive

The Cameron A Lists centralised selection, and the rest is History.

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RW
RW
10 months ago

We don’t need to try to absorb other parties, to try to acquire their vitality like a transfusion of monkey glands.

Dixit Boris Johnson, the guy whose sole real accomplishment is fathering more children with more women than he could to keep track of. But the country didn’t fare so well when it needed prime minister and got a Bonobo in a suit instead, although he was surely ‘vital’.

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wokeman
wokeman
10 months ago

Cameron and Johnson are the absolute worst of the worst. These lefty globalist have wrecked the Tory party as a right wing coalition and turned it in to a an lbgt climate worshipping cult. Lest we forget Farage is essentially a Thatcherite tory, nothing more, so Cameron/John are just pissing on Mrs Thatchers grave. Final point if there is a merger or take over ppl will only buy it if it’s the leadership of reform taking over the “conservative” party, IE the successful business taking over the failing one. Of course the arrogant out of touch Cameron boot lickers would never tolerate that!

Last edited 10 months ago by wokeman
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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  wokeman

Like it.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago
Reply to  wokeman

Yes and the idea that Reform voters would come running back to the Tories is a fallacy.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Johnson is a bit part player playing the odd roll as and when his gaffers want some amusement. The tory Party has been gravelly wounded but not enough so traitors like Bozo are called upon to provide an illusion of hope to the idiots who still believe in this illusory democracy. He knows the Party will now wither and die but has been ordered by the Davos Deviants to play “let’s pretend” for a little while longer.

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

The Tory leadership betrayed the country, the Brexit Party, and Farage, who stood down their candidates.

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  wokeman

The are too many Lib Dems in the shadows for Remain UK to absorb the Conservative Party, though there are a few honourable individuals that could cross over. But, even then, utilising their knowledge of the Civil Service response would be a cautious first step, for all concerned.

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misslawbore
misslawbore
10 months ago
Reply to  wokeman

Reform UK should now hold the feet of the truncated body of the Con Party firmly to the fire on both the new leader and policies and keep a steely eyed watch on Labour’s forthcoming Big Brother performance

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AynRandyAndy
AynRandyAndy
10 months ago

What is it about Westminster or more specifically exposure to and involvement in the higher echelons of the State, that turns former lucid, articulate ‘right-thinkers’ into moronic socialists?

There must be reasons other than that having joined the firm, they have consequently abandoned all their principles in a grubby attempt to keep the gravy train rolling.

Last edited 10 months ago by AynRandyAndy
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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  AynRandyAndy

They’ve never had a wealth creating job, those that meet Reality. And few have studied a subject that would lead to one, usually involving a STEM subject, or trade.

They occur outside Parliament too, those that go straight into Management, again, without being at the ‘coal face’.

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Richard Austin
Richard Austin
10 months ago

Good! We don’t want nor need them! The best they have left can pop over to clean the toilets if they want.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

The saddest part of the election results is that so many of the useless, firkin treasonous tories survived. That hurts to be honest.

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AynRandyAndy
AynRandyAndy
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Presumably they’re the ones peddling the line “we lost because Liz Truss was in No 10 for 17 minutes and because over the last 10 years we ‘lurched’ to the right.”

Last edited 10 months ago by AynRandyAndy
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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago
Reply to  AynRandyAndy

They can stay irrelevant in the centre.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  AynRandyAndy

Yep, that’s about it.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Yup that was the only thing I was looking forward to. Almost none of them deserved to survive

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

Thanks tof 👍

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misslawbore
misslawbore
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

And others sadly didn’t. Like Andrew Bridgen for instance

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stewart
stewart
10 months ago

All that is worth saying about Johnson’s words has been said above here.

And yet, I fully expect the British electorate will more or less comply and reinforce the “two party” uniparty system. It’s the one that requires minimum thought and effort.

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JXB
JXB
10 months ago

“Seriously, y’all, these are your ideological opponents…”

Correction to typo…

Seriously, y’all, these are your ideological bedfellows…”

And Boris is being a tad presumptuous that the Conservative Party could ‘absorb’ Reform – more like a reverse takeover if anything, but Mr Farage has made it clear he wants no truck with the Tories, but wants to establish a true, new Conservative Party using Reform Party as the base.

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
10 months ago

Anyone would think its the fault of the electorate…

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jeepybee
jeepybee
10 months ago

I don’t really know what else to say anymore, so I apologise for not being more engaged or engaging;

What a bunch of cunts.

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DHJ
DHJ
10 months ago
Reply to  jeepybee

Sound political analysis.

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
10 months ago
Reply to  jeepybee

Wish I could give you more than one uptick…

Last edited 10 months ago by NeilParkin
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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago

They are all the Davos party that’s why. I know it’s a cliche but true!

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
10 months ago

Hear here!

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Claphamanian
Claphamanian
10 months ago

These tweets indicate that the Tory remainders should merge with Labour.

Like Dr Who, so many regenerations it’s as if William Hartnell’s patrician has become LGBTQ+ trans harlequin. Or in Johnson’s case, pratrician.

Farage saved the Conservative Party in 2019. And how grateful are they? In fact, in effect he saved Labour from Corbyn. One term of a Corbyn Labour government might have destroyed that party too.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
10 months ago

Anyone remember William Hauge the EU sceptic. Once UKIP got bigger and we had the Referendum he was all for staying in……..FAKE!!!

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EppingBlogger
EppingBlogger
10 months ago

I don‘t think there is much risk of Reform wanting to take over the smouldering wreck of the Tories. Why would a new enterprise want the remains of a legacy one.

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Heretic
Heretic
10 months ago

Excellent article by Will Jones!

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Smudger
Smudger
10 months ago

The Daily Mail may find its readership declining after it came out for the Tories and regularly rub their readers noses in Bunter’s drivel.

Last edited 10 months ago by Smudger
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wryobserver
wryobserver
10 months ago

I haven’t time, but someone should analyse every constituency voting figures and recalculate what the election results would have been with these criteria:

Move Reform votes to Conservative.
Move half the Lib Dem votes to Conservative (a brief comparison with the last election Lib Dem figures suggests this is not an unreasonable shift)
Move the Gaza votes back to Labour.

This doesn’t work in Scotland, but in England my quick and dirty selection shows it results in most lost Tory seats being regained, other than those that were very marginal in the last election.

The Labour vote in England barely shifted. There is no real endorsement of a Labour landslide. Indeed the only conclusion to draw is that the public wanted something more right wing, not left.

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Epi
Epi
10 months ago

For me Boris just about sums up the “so called “ Conservative Party – dishevelled, nonsensical, out of touch, delusional and arrogant.

Last edited 10 months ago by Epi
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beaniebean
beaniebean
10 months ago

Great article but seriously “That’s why you fought hard to keep them out”. They fiddled while their party burned. The one fighter for the Conservative Party in my book was Suella Braverman who then and now tells it as it is! She understands that The Party stopped listening to The People!

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  beaniebean

On GBNews, there’s a good performance by the interviewer. She allowed Suella Braverman, MP, to state her position, giving everyone time to reflect, which needs to be done, for all concerned.

And Suella did manage to drop quite a few truth bombs, without blaming anyone, too much. 🙂 
https://youtu.be/65X9jh9aD_4?si=xXqufQruaOYJIqTB 

In fact, it’s a master class!

Last edited 10 months ago by Norfolk-Sceptic
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Jackthegripper
Jackthegripper
10 months ago

My thoughts are also with our new Prime Minister, @Keir_Starmer. His success will be our success,

Proves the uniparty is alive and kicking. When Starmer said he’d rather be in Davos than Westminster, I dare say he’d be there knocking back a few G&Ts withDave ‘the snake’ Cameron and little Rishi

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Jackthegripper
Jackthegripper
10 months ago

Johnson is yesterday’s clown. His failures led to this point. On winning the election he said the votes were borrowed, how right he was. Johnson had the opportunity to do great thinks but he and his Lib Dim, lefty, ‘one nation’ wets spaffed their majority and credibility.
Go back to your after dinner speeches Boris, earn lots, shag around but keep out of politics, you’re as incompetent as little Rishi.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
10 months ago

Boris Johnson giving his humble opinion is a first! If I never see nor hear from him again I will count my blessings. Be gone!

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Old Brit
Old Brit
10 months ago

I can’t see the Conservatives coming back from this. It takes a new lot with a clean sheet, who don’t own all the mistakes

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  Old Brit

As the motley collection of ‘Conservative Party MPs’ can only get a ‘new lot’ through by-elections, until another general election, any renewal through new thinking is their only hope 🙂

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kev
kev
10 months ago

Tories need to spurn Boris and Socialist policies and become small-c conservatives again, and if that means absorbing the Reform manifesto, merging with the Reform party then so be it.

Boris and Cameron should join their mate Blair in the Labour fold, birds of a feather and all that.

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