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UKHSA Admits it is Monitoring Current Vaccine Effectiveness But Not Publishing It. What Has it Got to Hide?

by Will Jones
6 November 2021 7:26 PM

The UKHSA has admitted for the first time that it is undertaking internal analysis “every week or two” to monitor the current real-world performance of the vaccines but not publishing the results.

In an email seen by the Daily Sceptic, Dr Mary Ramsay, Head of Immunisation at the UKHSA, admits that her agency is continuing to undertake regular analysis of vaccine effectiveness but, despite publishing a weekly Vaccine Surveillance report, is not publishing the estimates.

The Vaccine Surveillance reports have recently been criticised by the U.K Statistics Authority and others for including data which shows infection rates in the vaccinated running at more than double the rate in the unvaccinated. Critics have argued this gives a misleading impression that the vaccines are ineffective or worse. They say it is really a result of problems with the population estimates and systemic differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

The UKHSA has responded by altering the presentation of its data to draw attention to these limitations and make clear that, in its view, the data should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness.

However, it has not published an update of its own estimates of vaccine effectiveness using data more recent than May 2021. This means it has not updated its estimates with data from the summer and autumn, a period when its raw data shows infections in the vaccinated outpacing those in the unvaccinated.

In a recent post I encouraged readers to contact Dr Ramsay to ask her to publish an update of her agency’s study of vaccine effectiveness. In a reply to one reader, seen by the Daily Secptic, Dr Ramsay made the stunning admission:

We continue to undertake TNCC analysis every week or two and will update this when things change or when we want to highlight a new analysis, for example for a new variant or the booster effect.

TNCC stands for test-negative case control, and it is one of the approaches UKHSA uses for estimating vaccine effectiveness, which it deems to eliminate key biases in the data, especially from different testing behaviour.

Dr Ramsay has thus admitted that they are continuously monitoring real-world vaccine effectiveness using their worrying data. Why then are they not routinely publishing the results? What have they got to hide?

Dr Ramsay says they will publish an update when “things change” or when they want to highlight a new variant or the impact of boosters. In the meantime, they are publishing the raw data showing infections in the vaccinated eclipsing those in the unvaccinated, but telling people the data is biased and no conclusions can be drawn about the vaccines. This is an absurd state of affairs and needs to be challenged.

As before, if readers want politely to suggest that UKHSA actually publishes its estimates of vaccine effectiveness based on the latest real-world data, you can email Dr Mary Ramsay here (or find her on Twitter here).

Tags: Mary RamsayUKHSAVaccine efficacyVaccines

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OliveTrees
OliveTrees
3 years ago

Hehe. Damned if they do. Damned if they don’t. It’s kind of weird because plenty of studies show the vaccines wane in effectiveness over time, but the UKHSA seem to be holding out and saying, nope… it’s anything but the vaccines. Clearly they want to be able to maintain their “safe and effective” message.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  OliveTrees

Two things I have to say about that.

  1. its not a vaccine
  2. there’s no objective, independent evidence it is effective at all!

Let me clarify this, i’m not an anti-vaxxer, but it wouldn’t matter if I was, because the covid treatments aren’t vaccines. So I can’t be accused of misinformation.

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OliveTrees
OliveTrees
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

It is a vaccine when they get to control and define what a vaccine is. By 2022 their definition of “vaccine” will be, “anything beyond saline solution that is injected into the arm.”

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  OliveTrees

No – it will be much more simple than that.

It will be “whatever we say it is”

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Horse
Horse
3 years ago
Reply to  OliveTrees

And the regime’s definition of “terrorist” will be anyone contradicting a government official.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago
Reply to  OliveTrees

Vaccine: A state-approved substance for injection that may or may not contain tracking devices and/or experimental nanobots, which does not necessarily prevent, treat, or in any way relate to any known disease or condition.

Coming soon to a governmental health agency’s website near you.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Malone: gene therapy applied to the vaccine concept
Me: temporarily in some cases maybe effective prophylactic gene therapy with many severe known and likely many severe unknown side effects

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  OliveTrees

Oh they’re damned alright!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

What Has it Got to Hide?
That it’s not a vaccine!

I’m getting concerned I always seem to be one of the first people to comment, it’s pure coincidence I’m not lurking.

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Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

And I don’t mean to comment on your comments, but I feel a need again lol.

I don’t tell people it’s not a vaccine. I tell them it’s not a traditional inoculation. That way you draw a clear distinction.

Cambridge English Dictionary:

inoculate
verb [ T ]UK  /ɪˈnɒk.jə.leɪt/ US  /ɪˈnɑː.kjə.leɪt/
 

to give a weak form of a disease to a person or animal, usually by injection, as a protection against that disease:
My children have been inoculated against polio.

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Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

And I am not following you to comment on your comments lol. Though I would like to make a suggestion. I don’t use the word vaccine when talking to the sheep. I explain it’s not an inoculation.

Cambridge English dictionary:

to give a weak form of a disease to a person or animal, usually by injection, as a protection against that disease:
My children have been inoculated against polio.

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Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

And I am not following you to comment on your comments lol. Though I would like to give my method when talking to the sheep. I don’t use the term vaccine. They are to far gone. So I use wording that hasn’t been hijacked. Inoculation. Nobody can argue that these Covid ‘vaccines’ are inoculations.

Cambridge English dictionary:

Inoculate:

to give a weak form of a disease to a person or animal , usually by injection, as a protection against that disease.

  • My Children have been inoculated against Polio.
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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Skeptical_Stu

I’ve always had a healthy mistrust of any synthetic medication (natural products can be just as effective at killing you) i’ve never had any vaccine in my 56yrs! (I don’t even like taking NSAIDs), I just profoundly don’t agree with such practices, it makes me uneasy to think about inserting man-made products in to my immune system. So I was an antivaxxer in that sense, before it was fashionable,

But these mRNA products don’t meet the laymen definition of vaccine or inoculation, people expect vaccines to provide long-term immunity these products clearly don’t provide that. Yours & anyone else’s medical decisions are your personal choice, & I respect that. I wouldn’t comment to influence your decision, so in that sense i’m not an anti- vaxxer.

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Health Seeker
Health Seeker
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

But the the layman’s idea of a vaccine is of some sort of miracle, like a magical pathogen-repelling forcefield. As such, anyone denying the miracle-working power of absolutely anything defined as a vaccine is one those heretical heathens, one of those (prepare to switch into licenced hate mode to spit out the next word) ANTI-VAXXERS.

Hence the “they’re not vaccines, they’re experimental gene-therapy” rhetorical device to avoid being branded as such an infidel. We have no need of such a device. Vaccines are not one thing. They are not a religion. They are (like pharmaceuticals in general) a mixed bag. You could use a strict definition of vaccines that would exclude the covid vaccines, but I suspect the flu vaccines would also be excluded by it. The gene-based mechanisms do (along with the rushed nature of the jabbing programme) make the new jabs particularly experimental. But the semantic question of whether they qualify as vaccines is not very interesting. And I say this as someone who is very interested in semantics.

The shifting definition of the word ‘coincidence’ and its psycho-linguistic implications… now there IS an interesting semantic question.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Thanks for your comments repeatedly gainsaying governments’ words of propaganda. Please don’t give up.
Governments’ words are increasingly on alternate media sites and creeping into comments.
Propaganda is insidious – the more often it’s seen and heard, the more it gets bought in to unintentionally because subliminally.
We need to use words like ‘tests’, ‘jabs’, ‘abnormal’ instead of governments’ words

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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago

They have to hide the obvious, of course. As most people only look at the headlines, this “let’s pretend it’s not happening” approach will work for a while. Until it no longer does. Sure people are stupid, but increasing infections, particularly among the vaxxed, people still getting severely ill and dying can’t be hidden for much longer. Booster, another booster – each booster wakes up a few more people.

Maybe they’re holding out until they’ve sufficiently ‘changed the narrative’ as was suggested in the European Journal of Epidemiology’s study of vaccination rates and infection rates. Former FDA director Gottlieb – and current Pfisser board member – has apparently been saying that the magic pills will remove the need for the magic vaxx. I call that a change in narrative.

The world will regain its sanity and then the narrative must be that those who perpetuated this abomination must pay.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

It is a technical detail, but TNCC measures of vaccine efficiency require that the background rate of infections that have similar symptoms to the vaccinated disease (but that aren’t the vaccinated disease) are identical in the vaccine and non-vaccine groups.

At the moment I’m hearing lots of stories about ‘super cold’ and ‘worst cold ever’. These are ever present on social media, and there have been some articles about it on the BBC and other MSM.

If this ‘worst cold ever’ is affecting the vaccinated in greater numbers than the unvaccinated (for whatever reason) then you would expect the TNCC approach to result in an overestimation of vaccine effectiveness.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

It’s tiresome, i know BUT both groups are non-vaccine groups, because it’s a prophylactic not a vaccine. At least not what the laymen define as a vaccine,

Now hear me out, I know i’m an ignoramus in comparison to your edumacated knowledge, I suspect you have numerous letters after your name compared to the 4 I have after mine “t.w.a.t“!

But my thinking is the business model never was a single dose, one time deal, I think they may well have designed it to be a annual quarterly booster treatment, like livestock in animal husbandry. What a money waterfall that would be. Perhaps bill got the idea from Microsoft software updates?

I’ve never really bought into the de-population narrative, but i’ve seen it typed that maybe some batches are deliberately contaminated to be extra lethal, I don’t know how or if that’s true, it’s difficult to see how murder benefits the revenue rapid, but maybe the poison darts have a dual purpose?

I do know, I believe Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, is he still alive? Have they suicided him yet?

I find it odd that having failed to ever manufacture a synthetic vaccine/treatment for a coronavirus a whole bus station full of “effective vaccines” all turn up at once, within months of the covid. I of course appreciate these mRNA “therapies/vaccines” are relatively new technology (they’re not all are mRNA “vaccines” i know) but maybe they were a solution looking for a profitable problem!

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

You don’t need a PhD to work that out, so good for you!

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

All that might well be true (probably not the deliberate contamination bit).

The reality is that we’ve never managed to make an effective coronavirus vaccine — in all instances of a ‘promising candidate’ something went seriously wrong, usually due to ADE at about the 6-12 month point (or equivalent in animal models). I assume the current vaccines will suffer the same fate.

My point was that they give us their estimates of vaccine effectiveness using what I suspect is a flawed method. As far as I can tell (using the data available to me) and applying a multivariate model (like they used to do for estimating treatment effectiveness) I get a vaccine effectiveness at the 8ish month point of about -75%. The problem is, TNCC and multivariate analysis should give about the same answer — TNCC is used because it is faster and cheaper, not because it gives a significantly different answer to ‘older methods’.

The inference I make from this is that ‘something is wrong with the data’. Given ‘what we know about’, I suspect that the thing that is ‘wrong’ is that vaccinated testing is giving more negative results because lots more vaccinated suspect they’ve got covid when the reality is they’ve caught ‘the worst cold ever’ (due to some increased susceptibility for some reason). Due to the way TNCC works this will result in the estimate of vaccine effectiveness being too high.

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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I’ve seen that negative rate for effectiveness pop up here and there. What is that supposed to mean? Obviously that the vaxx doesn’t work too well :-), but does it have a technical significance?

Does it mean ADE, or that not only is there no effectiveness, but it causes greater vulnerability?

Anecdotal, but 2 people in my neighbourhood also in the past few weeks had terrible colds. One an 18-year old who said it was the worst cold he had had in years – yes, he got the vaxx mid summer. Another a lady, I’d say in her mid-40s, who also got the vaxx early summer and was suffering what sounded like was a dreadful sinus infection – to the point she couldn’t drive because she would lose her balance. I appreciate this is hardly evidence of anything, but just hearing all the stories from the UK, it did resonate.

I read about the mrna vaxxes in some way switching off toll-like receptors so that the LNP could get past the immune system. Do you know if that’s correct and if so, is it possible that they are switched off for longer than expected, maybe explaining why the vaxxed seem to be suffering so with whatever bug is doing the rounds?

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

All it means is that the vaccinated people were told to increase direct contacts in autumn (the natural high season for cold infections) after months of hiding from each other, working from home, and other such bollocks.

The result has little to do with properties of the vaccine as such, and much to do with the people’s past and present silly behaviors induced by the government scare campaign. You could say the people were told to stop being scared at the most inopportune time. Of course, at the same time testing (of the vaccinated) was abandoned, essentially letting the epidemic run its course in this group (I believe this was by design).

Chances are that the unvaccinated have previously been more likely to oppose and ignore all the stupidity, and thus got naturally infected and immune earlier.

It is also possible that now that all the vaccinated are running around happily spreading the virus to each other, the unvaccinated got a bit more cautious. If only because of their contrarian attitude (which you can witness daily on this site).

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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

It crossed my mind too that the intention was to let the infection spread in the vaxxed, on the assumption they would get infected but not end up in hospital. I believe the Dutch approach (at least on the scientific side) all along was to allow it to spread, but controlled to the point the hospitals were not overwhelmed.

But I don’t believe they let go of the measures here at an inopportune time, I believe that was on purpose. Outside of the period December 2020 to about April 2021, the fear factor was never used that much here. Certainly since June people have been acting pretty much as normal. Most measures were let go end of June, except the physical distancing (although everyone was ignoring it) and WFH where possible. These were dropped end of September, when the nassi pass was introduced. That was 100% by design to be at the start of the cold/flu season. I knew at the time that the line would be trotted out that letting go of the final measures caused infections to rise again and rather than go back to the old measures, they would expand use of the nassi pass – which is exactly what happened earlier this week.

What they did not count on was that the numbers would rise so rapidly, that the OMT would insist so heavily that the vaxxed must get tested too and that the hospitals would start making a point of getting out the message that it’s not so much that they are overwhelmed, but rather that they are very much understaffed and have been for years. Today was the highest number of infections since December last year, middle of winter. They will only rise and the cabinet will be forced to introduce more measures, probably including closures.

As for being contrarian – perhaps they are, but people who did not want their liberty curtailed are not going to curtail it now just to piss off other people. The vaxx simply does not do what was hoped for and should be set aside for better treatments.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Yes, I agree, the vaxx passes are the ultimate measure which they want to retain, and they are used as a sort of fake substitute, much in the way how masks mandates were used as a substitute for lockdowns.

It’s true that the hospitals are at their limit not because of corona, but because of chronic understaffing.

Possibly because the staff left pissed off by all the additional “measures”, red tape and exected wage raises that have not materialized.

I suspect that hospital managers also intentionally reduced the number of beds and staff during summer in a gamble that they will get paid much more for bringing them back during an expected “emergency” at the start of season. This is a result of moral hazard established during the previous season, when they were indeed flooded with money for the “rescue”.

I think people who do not want their liberty curtailed by others are taking their own liberty to withdraw from this new nassi society just to show the middle finger to the organizers. Essentially boycotting the society, not so much out of caution for their own health. That is what I mean by contrarian behavior.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

How many people share this log in name ?

Bloody ridiculous.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Innit.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

worst cold he had had

Vaccine induced covid. My wife had it too (she’s an RGN & vaxxed) i (unvaxxed) never got infected by her.

Shes always getting 24hr bugs & colds, i’ve not had a cold or flu since 2001, maybe my immune is good.

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kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll-like_receptor

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

A prophylactic not a vaccine.

That is exactly how I think of it as well.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

Death shot?

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Karl Dennnger did some excellent anaylsis but dismissed the depopn. idea as implausible … at present anyway.

I slightly fail to see the need for it.

Japan, Italy and Germany had steadily falling population before this shit-show began. I expect lots of countries will have falling populations now. As for me, I read ‘The Population Bomb’ in 1970 and thought ‘bloody hell’, so I didn’t have any children.

Also sperm counts have been declining, due to pollution, so we may end up with only a few billion people in 2100 anyway.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

Denninger believes the official narrative about 9/11.

In some ways he’s very naive.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

It’s not that I think the psychopathic elites aren’t capable of it, I just don’t see why, they don’t care about the environment & the unwashed don’t affect their lives.

And I just don’t see how they’d get away with it, they’d have to cull 100s of million to make a dent, I don’t think that could be explained or hidden from even the most apathetic subservient sheeple’s.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

I don’t expect to be here in 2100.

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

You will find Dr Bhakdi was still sharing his wisdom on Odysee very recently. So he hadn’t been “suicided” a few weeks ago.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

That would make sense. All I hear from the jabbed these days are that they are constantly sick.

I assumed that they didn’t want to publish because I can’t imagine that the non-jabbed are testing at all!

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Squire Western
Squire Western
3 years ago

Since the existence of the data has been acknowledged, would a freedom of information request do the trick?

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  Squire Western

Possibly, but they use delaying tactics.

If you’re on Twitter, a challenge there might be best and mention of FoI.

Bill Gates also seems to tweet there, if you want to say anything …!

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago
Reply to  Squire Western

They’ll reject it

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

The stench of deception and skulduggery is palpable. This tax-payer funded organisation should reveal all the relevant information and data to the general public. You know, the very people who pay them to do this kind or work.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

You know, the very people who pay them to do this kind or work.

That line says everything you need to know, sometimes you don’t get what you pay for! 😉

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
3 years ago

I’m wondering how Dr Ramsay squares her failure to report this real word effectiveness with her comment in her blog saying

We believe that transparency – coupled with explanation – remains the best way to deal with misinformation

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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Using her best Jack Nicholson voice, probably tells herself over and over “They can’t handle the truth!”

Not entirely wrong of course, a lot of people are going to be ever so unhappy when they realise that the pot at the end of the rainbow is filled with corona virus and not gold.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

This is unravelling everywhere. If you’re one of the 22m people in the country who said no, your choice is being validated day by day. Let’s hold the line and try to feel some compassion for the unfortunate ones who didn’t bother to do any of their own research.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Exactly, Let’s Go Brandon or local equivalent. This madness must stop.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

The MSM & politicians say the covidians are the in the majority & “anti-vaxxers” the minority, but every online comments section I visit (most not covid related at all) are always full to bursting with anti-covidians who call the plandemic the BS it is.

And are fully informed on the dangers of the mRNA therapies, I just don’t believe the vaccinated figures they claim.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I don’t either. And, for example, you only have to look at the best rated readers comments on Daily Mail Covid articles to see that there is a huge and growing groundswell of opinion against the covidian agenda.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Why?
Don’t you trust the government.
Tut Tut.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

Is it as much as 22 M? The UK went overboard in its enthusiasm for this product.

Switzerland and USA have really high proportions untreated, though. A very good control group, I’d say.

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NickR
NickR
3 years ago

Regardless of the population data the HSA data from weeks 36 to 44 show a 3 fold increase in infection level of the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated from about 30% to 100%.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

I suppose its quite normal for eleven people to have an heart attack at a concert these days …

BREAKING UPDATE: 8 Confirmed Fatalities At The AstroWorld Music Festival Tonight

11 Cardiac Arrests, 17 Individuals Transported To Hospital

https://twitter.com/i/status/1456881556484726786

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago

This could be a bit of a turning point in exposing government disinformation (or lack of information). I have already emailed Dr Ramsay. More emails along with FOI requests and letters to MPs could add to the pressure. Just a thought, but if there is ‘something rotten in the State of Denmark’ to coin a phrase this needs to be outed.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

I’ll send a message tomorrow morning saying something along the lines of: please serve us, the public, by behaving like an honourable public servant. After all, this disaster must stop sometime and you have lots of usable drugs for the disease, whether cheap and generic or shiny, new, patented and expensive.

I don’t think Mr Gates will like that though … even the shiny new ones probably aren’t as profitable as jabs.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

Spot on. Good luck with it and let’s go Gates!

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

Glaube keiner Statistik, die du nicht selbst gefaelscht hast. German proverb
Don’t believe any stat which you haven’t falsified yourself.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

If you need a booster, it’s not effective. Simple.
If you need many, regular boosters, it’s a con. Simple.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Got it in one! Con of the century and we are only 21 years into
it.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago

No booster… no hassle-free foreign travel, say Ministers

https://mol.im/a/10173159

As predicted, so much for being double jabbed!

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago

Welcome back “vaccinated” folks, to the “unvaccinated” club you were sneering at last week.

Roll up those sleeves!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10173159/Covid-plans-ban-hassle-free-foreign-travel-fail-jab.html#comments

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Ceriain
Ceriain
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Public to Authorities: “Can you tell me how many jabs is ‘fully vaccinated’?

Authorities to Public: “One more than you thought it was!” or,

Authorities to Public: “One more than we previously said it was!”

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grob1234
grob1234
3 years ago

Off topic: why the hell are the climate protests being reported but anti vax passport protests aren’t???

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ziggee
ziggee
3 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Because that would interfere with the brainwashing program.
But you knew that already.

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NickR
NickR
3 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Interestingly the BBC this morning quoted the protest organiser’s estimate of numbers, 100,000. During the lockdown marches in the spring & summer, if ever mentioned at all, they always quoted police estimates…… about 3 men & a dog, despite Oxford St packed for 2 miles 25 abreast.

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grob1234
grob1234
3 years ago
Reply to  NickR

There is absolutely an agenda here.

The question is will it ever come to light?

I suppose the Nazis atrocities came to light so there is hope….

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I swear I heard the BBC – radio 2 News – use the phrase “confirmed Coronavirus cases” when updating the “numbers” ….can anyone confirm if I misheard this or not? If I am right, this is another BBC editorial scam for which they have absolutely no proof.

If my ears did not deceive me, a complaint will be winging its way to them…

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Star
Star
3 years ago

By saying she will update it when “things change”, there are two main ways to interpret the word “things”.

  • Either she means the estimates of vaccine effectiveness. In this case she is implying the estimates haven’t changed, or in other words she’s lying her t*ts off.
  • Or she means the conditions that determine whether or not she’ll publish the info. In this case, she is basically saying “F*** off. We do what we want. Muahaha!”

She’s not fit to hold public office, is she?

Last edited 3 years ago by Star
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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

She’s a public relations robot. For example, here she is telling quacks and nurses how best to persuade MMR vaccine-refusing parents to consent to their children being injected with that poison.

“Communicating effectively with parents and ensuring services are flexible and responsive are essential to providing support to those who would like more information or are undecided.”

There is precedent for the trial of those who “only did propaganda” – Julius Streicher comes to mind.

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LonePatriot
LonePatriot
3 years ago

While the MSM condemns the use of ivermectin, the most populated state in India just declared they are officially COVID free after promoting widespread use of the safe, proven medicine. In addition to this, Ivermectin attaches to covid spikes and prevents them from binding to ACE2. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://health.p0l.org/

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kate
kate
3 years ago

https://rumble.com/vo0iwa-dr.-peter-mccullough-interviewed-by-dr.-brian-ardis.html
Interview with Peter McCullough by Dr Bryan Ardis. On treatment and vaccine adverse effects

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kate
kate
3 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OhRNGBmBZw&ab_channel=DocVince

Florida Covid Summit, with Peter McCullough and many other doctors we know.

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
3 years ago

Indeed, what have they got to hide? They are performing really well – from the perspective of causing death and injury. Because they do nothing to benefit the recipients, this would seem to be the only plausible objective for coercing people into taking them.
Here’s a simple summary of vaccine adverse effects from UK, Europe and USA up-to-date as of today (5th November)

VaxSummary-20211105.jpg
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maggie may
maggie may
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Interesting figures aren’t they? The UK appear to have far more reports than Europe and the USA but far fewer fatalities. Is that because our doctors just say coincidence whereas Europe and the USA are more honest?

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Of Government and Whelk Stalls
Of Government and Whelk Stalls
3 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Is there a reporting bias in effect? Minor incidents reported / major incidents (including deaths) passed over in silence?

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TruthHurts2077
TruthHurts2077
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Do you have a link for this table please Mike?

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
3 years ago
Reply to  TruthHurts2077

I took a snapshot of my spreadsheet. I have stored all the data from Yellow Cards and EudraVigilance since the jab programme began. The VAERS data is just the most recent, but I intend to retrospectively collect past data to observe trends.

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TruthHurts2077
TruthHurts2077
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Thanks Mike. I’m having trouble finding an updated EudraVigilance source.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

Good timing. Looks like Covid dying out. Super cold back in fashion. But it looks like the only ones still getting Covid are the double jabbed in our area and the only ones getting the super colds are the double jabbed. Could the vaxx weaken the immune system? Anyone know?

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Of Government and Whelk Stalls
Of Government and Whelk Stalls
3 years ago
Reply to  marebobowl

That is being inferred (by independent analysts) from the data published by UKHSA, which is why the attitude of Dr Ramsay is unsustainable.

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  marebobowl

All vaccines provoke the immune system just as an infection would, so it has to work to produce antibodies and T-cells which means it is burdened. Immune systems burdened by one thing cope less well with new infections. And all the time our immune systems are dealing with a plethora of invading micro-organisms, virus and bacteria, which we do not notice.

it has been understood for some time that post any vaccination an individual is more susceptible to opportunistic infections from organisms other than the target of the vaccination, or indeed the target.

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TheBigman
TheBigman
3 years ago

To anyone who knows the damage this particular vaxx is doing from the official (lower recorded) figures and expects somehow this fact to get put are deluded.

There will never be an admission to any wrong doing they will just keep doubling down.

You have to take back your freedoms. You may have to do so alone but it is worth it. You won’t be alone though. Everyone has a line and at some point it will be crossed

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago

’Flu vaccines have been around for more than 50 years, yet there is still no definitive research about effectiveness, reports vary and the range is 15% to 60%, falling below 15% in the over 80s in poor health… that is the most vulnerable group.

Why would anyone imagine a vaccine against another similar respiratory virus – and its ever growing family of mutants – would or could be any better, particularly when it is the fast rate of mutation of influenza virus that makes ‘flu vaccines less effective and ‘flu omnipresent?

What gets overlooked is effectiveness does not depend on the vaccine (it is not a treatment) but it depends on the state of the immune system.

All a vaccine does is prep the immune system for quick recognition of a specific invading micro-organism, the rest is up to the immune system.

The reason why CoVid is serious and sometimes fatal in the elderly with comorbidity or younger people with underlying medical conditions is because their immune systems are weak and already burdened. Vaccination cannot change that.

They say it is really a result of problems with the population estimates and systemic differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

Yes exactly… each individual is different so making broad claims about effectiveness as if it can apply to everyone is misleading and not based in medical science.

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Health Seeker
Health Seeker
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Isn’t it also sometimes over-activation of the immune system with such phenomena as the cytokine storm, due to inflammation caused by poor metabolic health?

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago

If you think that the records of early adverse effects leave a lot to be desired, just wait for the inevitable increase in auto immune diseases ( which began in the mid 80’s and coincided with the rocketing increase in mandated vaccines) caused by the immune system being trashed by the new “vaccines”. These will of course be tracked with the same robust scrutiny.

The mrna gene therapy has all the goodies of the orthodox vaccines – with polyethylene glycol being the preferred adjuvant ( aluminium was considered too toxic, Lol ) – and a never before seen in nature fiddling about with the normal uridine nucleotides lest the mrna be too quickly destroyed by the immune response:-

https://dpbh.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpbhnvgov/content/Boards/BOH/Meetings/2021/SENEFF~1.PDF.
Also just google “Vaccinepapers” – before it disappears.

They haven’t got a bloody clue of the long term effects of this gene therapy.
And they now jab kids.

No wonder bigpharma want everyone jabbed. No control group left. No blame possible.
Then make a fortune treating the resulting auto immune diseases.
Pure Genius.
And the powers that be get their tracking system.

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Horse
Horse
3 years ago

We all know why they are hiding the figures. The concealing of these figures by UKHSA will be an important plank in the prosecution’s case against the government when they are charged with crimes against humanity and this goes to trial.

Last edited 3 years ago by Horse
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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

I doubt any such prosecution would ever succeed. There are too many powerful interests up to their necks in it. The best we can hope for is a sane verdict by historians in maybe half a century from now.

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bowlsman
bowlsman
3 years ago

The whole thing is a great big con.

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SomersetHoops
SomersetHoops
3 years ago

One explanation for this issue could be that because most people are vaccinated, the proportion of vaccinated to unvaccinated people tested is so high that it is distorting the results. This is adding to scepticism of the original claimed results of the vaccine providers, which were always going to be much higher than they should have been and actually are. It’s possible that the raw data needs to be factored by the proportion tested, although if that isn’t the case the veracity of the original testing needs serious investigation and penalties applied to those big Pharma Companies if proven to have falsified their results.

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