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Ministers Dithering Over Decision on Whether to Vaccinate Children against Covid

by Michael Curzon
20 June 2021 11:07 PM

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has “reached some conclusions” on whether to recommend the vaccination children against Covid, with previous reports suggesting that it will advise against this move until there is more safety data. But while JCVI members say they are “perplexed” by the Government stalling on this matter, a Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) spokesman says ministers are waiting for a “formal recommendation” before moving any further. The Telegraph has more.

Senior JCVI members have previously publicly questioned the ethics of vaccinating a population that faces only a tiny risk of serious illness from Covid.

However, Professor Chris Whitty, England’s Chief Medical Officer, last week suggested the Government was sympathetic to the idea when he said there was a “wider question” about disruption to schooling.

On Sunday night, a source said: “It is about reconciling the view of the Committee – which of course is evolving over time anyway – and what the politicians are minded to do. I guess that process is taking longer than usual.”

JCVI members were “perplexed” by the delay, the source added, saying: “We’ve deliberated and we’ve reached some conclusions, but the position we’re in is that we’re waiting for a joint communique from DHSC, from Matt Hancock and the whole team.”

On Sunday night, the Department of Health denied that ministers had yet received JCVI’s advice…

JCVI members – most of whom are independent scientists who offer their expertise to the committee – are known to be seeking the assurance of real-world safety data from mass roll-outs in other countries…

A key issue of concern is understanding whether mRNA vaccines such as the Pfizer jab increase the risk of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control said there have been more than 300 cases reported among the millions of teens and young adults who have received an mRNA vaccine, but that in the “vast majority” of cases the inflammation went away…

A DHSC spokesman said: “Following a robust review of the evidence, the MHRA concluded the Pfizer Covid vaccine meets the high standards of safety, effectiveness and quality required and has authorised its use for people aged 12 and above.

“Ministers have not received JCVI advice and no decisions have been made on whether people aged 12 to 17 should be routinely offered Covid vaccines. The Government will continue to be guided by the advice of the JCVI and has asked for its formal recommendation. We will update in due course.”

Worth reading in full.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

Does look like the “vaccine” mandates in the US are starting to backfire badly on the Democrat coronapanickers:

“A judge tonight issued a restraining order against Frat Order of Police Pres John Catanzara to prohibit him from posting on social media or making any statements telling officers to refuse to get the vaccine. Chicago also filed a lawsuit against him for endangering public safety.“

“ENTIRE MAINE COUNTIES WILL BE WITHOUT PARAMEDICS“

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Democrat coronaplotters.

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
3 years ago

That’s fine, they don’t want the plebs flying anyway. As long as private jet owners are unaffected then it’s nothing to worry about.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Here’s best wishes to anybody and everybody who stands up to this thuggish tyranny.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Thank you.

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LMS2
LMS2
3 years ago

Joe Biden’s “mandate” isn’t mandatory. There’s no Executive Order or legislation to back up what he’s ordered. It’s unconstitutional, not legal, and probably unenforceable if enough people refuse to go along with it. I hope plenty of people refuse and make it unworkable.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

I think at this point Biden knows he has become a despot and given the political environment in the US is literally risking his life in this autocratic gamble. It kind of reminds me of how Gadaffi has behaved before his fall.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Seems unlikely this is “Biden”. Presidencies are usually a team effort to varying extents, but in Biden’s case he’s actually senile, as well as corrupt and incompetent. This is definitely a despotism by a political clique, not by one man.

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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I was just going to say something similar. I genuinely think Biden does not know whether he is Biden or Brandon these days.

That makes it worse than Gadaffi, Sadam Hussein et al. We knew who they were and that they knew what they were doing.

Who is pulling Biden’s strings? It isn’t just one person and it isn’t the WH staff, they just help the strings to get pulled. Maybe the Manchurian Candidate wasn’t just a movie after all.

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LMS2
LMS2
3 years ago

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R) promised to stand up to Biden’s vaccine mandate if it ends up actually existing.
DeSantis isn’t the only Governor who is threatening legal action against Biden.
Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt(R) said he is “ready to take Biden to court” over his vaccine mandate:
100percentfedup reported:

This action is not just federal overreach.

It’s unconstitutional.

I’ve talked about this with our Attorney General, John O’Connor.

And I know he’s on our side.

He’s ready to take President Biden to court the second the rules are made public.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/governors-ready-sue-biden-vaccine-mandate-mandate-doesnt-yet-exist/

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Proveritate
Proveritate
3 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

That’s why Biden isn’t publishing it, because the moment he signs it into law the lawsuits against him can start. He is hoping to achieve the effect of an executive order (looks like plenty of people have indeed fallen for the deception that there is an EO) without issuing one, thereby denying the possibility of any legal pushback for as long as possible.

Our government has been operating from the same playbook, threatening things just to frighten people into complying. For example, they have pointed out that closure of schools during lockdown was not based on any legal mandate. It was all voluntary compliance, apparently.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

They pulled the same trick many times from the outset; working from home, wearing masks, social distancing, rule of 6 and now vaccination which is why, I believe, there is still yet to be a successful prosecution under so-called Coronovirus legislation.
Nothing is changing.

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

Same tactical deception used to stimulate compliance when it was announced the FDA approved the Pfizer “vaccine” that isn’t yet available.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago

I’ve just watched a 20 minute YouTube vid about the worldwide elimination of smallpox (achieved mid 1970’s).
Seems the UK did make smallpox vaccination mandatory, 1930s, but the US were in the same predicament as now.
Central Government wanted to mandate it nationally but had to defer to States Rights. Some Governors refused and even passed the decision to local Health Authorities (Counties?).

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

But that was before the likes of the Nuremberg code, Unesco & Human right legislation etc. Some argue they aren’t legally binding, but the intention was there.

Anyway I think the penalty for non-compliance of smallpox vaccines was a small fine, the US has mandated vaccines before, it’s all part of the liberal ideology, in any as we know these only have emergency use authorization supposedly because there are no alternative treatments.

In any case the legal situation is going to get interesting over the next year.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Frances Hoare that said that English common law gives us an inherent right to bodily autonomy.

I think human rights law in general is a career with a bright future …

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

Man made laws are a nice civilized concept, I don’t know much about Frances Hoare, but I always say nobody can give you rights, they can only take them away.

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Proveritate
Proveritate
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

But all that means is that they can’t physically pin you down and force the stuff into you.

Yet as the recent ruling in NSW has shown, as regards any so-called rights (to work, to travel, to exercise, to have your hair cut, to spend money, to go to church, to meet with friends etc), the state can suspend all those because they are not infringing your bodily autonomy (only your personal autonomy).

After all, that’s what the state has done to us all in lockdown – suspend all our rights – and the courts have gone along with it.

The judge ruled that the state can’t take away your rights because of race, sex or political opinion, but they can take away just about everything for refusing the vaccine since objecting to vaccination is not a protected characteristic in Australia.

The judge ruled that it was the very purpose of the public health law to deprive people of their rights as deemed necessary by a minister of state, and it was not his business to question the decision and impementation of a minister of state, nor to have regard to the fairness of the measures. And to top it all he pointed out that Australia doesn’t have a bill of rights, so don’t expect any.

The judge was looking for favour so that he can get a promotion, and has duly given the NSW government exactly what they wanted.

And thus Australians are now well on the way to totalitarianism.

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

ditto Italy and France.

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mm99
mm99
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Probably the mandates were entirely redundant. Smallpox captures the imagination in a way that covid never, ever will.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
3 years ago
Reply to  mm99

Nope. See comment above.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  mm99

Smallpox disfigures, kills, and causes hideous suffering. Covid gives you a cough.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

https://navigator.health.org.uk/theme/united-kingdom-vaccination-act-1853

It was made mandatory in 1853 but this was repealed around 1895 after a lot of pressure from people in general, as well as sections of the scientific and medical communities. There was a widely held belief that smallpox vaccination campaigns were followed by outbreaks of teburculosis; and also accompanied by “serum sickness”.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Smallpox vaccination was detested by many people and there is little doubt that it provoked serious disease and illness in some of those who were subjected to it.

There were many protests against the compulsion of smallpox vaccination. A major protest happened in the town (now a city) of Leicester in 1885 after which compulsory vaccination was effectively abandoned in the borough. Leicester had its own procedures for smallpox which centred around hospitalising the sick, while quarantining and supporting their family members, until they were shown to be clear. The policy was a success and Leicester was for the most part smallpox free thereafter.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

In his later years, the great Alfred Russel Wallace campaigned tirelessly against compulsory vaccination.
An admirable man in every way.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I think Y.tube might be wrong, surprise surprise … well actually, nothing surprises me any more.

My understanding is that there was a 1853 UK mandate, requiring all children born to be jabbed, but the disease had a 70% fatality rate in children .. struth. The mandate was later abandoned.

I think since then the UK has been conspicuous in protecting our civil liberties fairly well. The USA has had some mandates of the type ‘no jab, no education for your children’.

If anyone knows better, do correct me. However, if we abandoned the last mandate in the 19th.C, that’s a fairly good precedent for not having another one … especially given the post-World War 2 human rights conventions and legislation. These were brought in specifically to stop the atrocities happening again.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

YouTube are merely the host. This guy usually gets his facts right but it’s a subject worth investigating as seen in the comments above, including yours.

Sorry, I don’t know how to post links from Android

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

And this is the man in charge!

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iane
iane
3 years ago

All due to Putin – as Tucker Carlson helpfully explains : Let’s Go, Brandon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX2FOHrreDU

Last edited 3 years ago by iane
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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

https://nypost.com/2021/10/14/covid-regime-is-driving-americans-to-a-healthy-noncompliance/
This is ‘Irish democracy’.
Bring -more of- it on!

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

“Irish Democracy is when the populace simply doesn’t cooperate with the agenda.”

Not something that you get in Ireland, then.

Last edited 3 years ago by Annie
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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The old, real Irish, suppressed by the English.
Not the EUropeanized wussies of today.
The ‘Native Americans’ of today have nothing in common with their heroic ancestors either.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

“The ‘Native Americans’ of today have nothing in common with their heroic ancestors either.”

Nor in fact do the English of today have anything in common with their ancestors who brought modernity to the world and built a world empire from a tiny island.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago

Brilliant. All tyrants over reach. Lets hope that we’re nearing that point.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

American Airlines and Amtrak join SouthWest Airlines in Freedom walkouts against mandatory vaccines …

Screenshot 2021-10-16 at 17-56-17 Republican Cory Reynolds ( RepublicanCory) Twitter.png
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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago

Oops – it looks like Sleep Joe’s vaccine mandates are most unpopular – other than with GOP voters – with many essential government workers, ethnic minorities and the poor, most of whom normally vote Dem. Maybe they should change the phrase from ‘Let’s go, Branden’ (ahem) to ‘just GO, Joe’.

Don’t forget that anyone in the vicinity of the COP26 when Sleepy Joe is around – please remember to loudly chant ‘F Joe Biden’.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

Rules for thee …
Inc Capitol Police, FBI, Congress, USPS …

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

Let us destroy society and create contingency plans to deal with the destruction we caused. -Joe Biden, 2021

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago

Why is there a constant revolving door of failed politicians, economists and advisers. How can this miserable and dangerous cycle be broken? Until we get decent, intelligent and honourable men and women to stand for Parliament and employ decent expertise in field where expertise is needed, I think we should stand down all Governments and their advisers. We should close ALL international bodies like UN WHO etc and create small effective national Sheriffs who put their own country first and are willing to help others when needed.

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