Hotel Quarantine to Open on February 15th
The UK is set to follow Australia and New Zealand within the next two weeks in requiring all UK residents to put themselves up in guarded quarantine hotels when returning from abroad. The BBC has the details.
UK residents returning from coronavirus hotspots abroad will have to quarantine in hotels from February 15th, Government sources have told the BBC.
Owners will be asked to provide accommodation for more than 1,000 new people every day, documents suggest. Passengers will have to stay in their rooms for 10 nights, with security guards accompanying them outside.
Labour called the measures “too little, too late” to deal properly with new overseas strains of Covid. “It is beyond comprehension that these measures won’t even start until February 15th,” said Shadow Home Secretary Nick Thomas-Symonds.
Speaking on BBC’s Question Time, Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden said the Government was “aiming to see” February 15th as the date new hotel quarantine plans for arrivals into the UK will be introduced.
Asked why it had taken so long to implement he said: “We want to make sure that we get this right so that when people go to those hotels, the hotels are in place, the transport is in place.”
The airports thought to be under consideration as locations for quarantine hotels are Heathrow, Gatwick, London City, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen.
The rules are expected to apply to UK nationals and residents returning to the country from 30 “red list” COVID-19 hotspots, including several South American and African countries where new Covid variants have been detected in large numbers of people.
Travellers will have to foot the bill themselves, and they will be forcibly prevented from leaving by security personnel, who will accompany them on any periods outside of the room.
According to documents seen by the BBC, the Government wants quarantine hotels to be made “available on an exclusive basis”.
Guests will have three meals a day – hot or cold – in their rooms, with tea, coffee, fruit and water being available. Security will “accompany any of the arrived individuals to access outside space should they need to smoke or get fresh air”, one document says.
One hospitality industry source said the Government estimated the cost at about £80 per night per person. “If they are taking rooms for 1,425 passengers per night until March 31st, that is a bill of £55m,” they added.
Government sources confirmed to the BBC that travellers coming home will be expected to pay for the costs of their accommodation in quarantine hotels. Ministers are also likely to increase the fines for people who break the rules around quarantine.
No indication of an end point to these extraordinary measures, or what criteria will be used to decide when to lift them, has been given. If the Government has thought this through, they’re not letting on.
The Case Against Lockdown: A Reply to Christopher Snowdon
Toby has replied to Christopher Snowdon’s attack on lockdown sceptics. Like Snowdon’s piece, Toby’s article appears in Quillette, where Toby is employed as an Associate Editor. He doesn’t bother rebutting Snowdon’s detailed criticisms of Ivor Cummins and Dr Mike Yeadon because he doesn’t think the case against the lockdown policy stands or falls on whether their analysis is correct. I’ll let him explain.
We can quibble about the reliability of industrial-scale PCR testing, whether the “second wave” in Europe and America has been ameliorated by naturally acquired immunity and whether deaths due to other diseases have being wrongly classified as deaths due to novel coronavirus. But that is largely beside the point. Sceptics could concede all of Snowdon’s points—acknowledge that the threat posed by SARS-CoV-2 is every bit as grave as the most hard-line lockdowners say it is—without endangering the central limb of our argument. Our contention is that the whole panoply of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) that governments around the world have used to try and control the pandemic—closing schools and gyms, shutting non-essential shops, banning household mixing, restricting travel, telling people they can’t leave their homes without a reasonable excuse, etc.—have been largely ineffective.
Sure, there are some peer-reviewed studies published in reputable journals seeming to show that these measures reduce COVID-19 infections, hospital admissions, and deaths. (See here, for instance.) But most of these rely on epidemiological models that make unfalsifiable claims about how many people would have died if governments had just sat on their hands—and some of these models have been widely criticised. The evidence that lockdowns don’t work, by contrast, is not based on conjecture but on observing the effects of lockdowns in different countries. (You can review 30 of these studies here.) What these data seem to show is that the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic in each country rises and falls—and then rises and falls again, although less steeply as the virus moves towards endemic equilibrium—according to a similar pattern regardless of what NPIs governments impose.
The factors that affect a population’s vulnerability to the disease are things like distance from the equator, previous exposure to other coronaviruses, and genetics, not how nimble or smart their political leaders are. (Although the timely introduction of port-of-entry controls for visitors from China may have contributed to the low COVID mortality in some Asian and Oceanic countries.) If lockdowns work, you’d expect to see an inverse correlation between the severity of the NPIs a country puts in place and the number of COVID deaths per capita, but you don’t. On the contrary, deaths per million were actually lower in those US states that didn’t shut down than in those that did—at least in the first seven-and-a-half months of last year. Trying to explain away these inconvenient facts by factoring in any number of variables—average age, hours of sunlight, population density—doesn’t seem to help. There’s no signal in that noise.
Incidentally, Snowdon’s claim that the first British lockdown reduced COVID infections is easy to debunk. You just look at when deaths peaked in England and Wales—April 8th—go back three weeks, which is the estimated time from infection to death among the roughly one in 400 infected people who succumb to the disease, and you get to March 19th, indicating infections peaked five days before the lockdown was imposed. Even Chris Whitty, England’s Chief Medical Officer, acknowledged that the reproduction rate was falling before the first hammer came down.
By contrast, the evidence that the policy responses to the pandemic have caused—and will cause—catastrophic harm is pretty strong. Shutting schools causes significant harm to all children, but particularly to the least well-off. Telling people they’re not allowed to socialise—no restaurants, bars, or café, no festivals or sporting events—has contributed to a mental health crisis that has seen “deaths of despair” spike up. Closing non-essential businesses and ordering everyone to stay at home has caused jaw-dropping economic contractions—the UK economy shrunk by 20.8 percent in Q2 of 2020—that have sent unemployment soaring and triggered a global economic recession that the World Bank estimates pushed between 88–115 million people into extreme poverty last year, with the total expected to rise as high as 150 million in 2021. Governments across the world have mothballed huge swathes of their economies in a largely futile attempt to mitigate the impact of the virus, burdening future generations with unmanageable national debts.
Worth reading in full.
Inside the Zero Covid Cult
UnHerd‘s Freddie Sayers reports on the worrying growth in popularity and gathering strength of the Zero Covid cause.
As I discovered last week, the first rule of ZeroCovid Club is: do not talk about ZeroCovid Club. “ZeroCovid” is, after all, a term that elicits confusion and, sometimes, outright hostility. Perhaps that’s why, when leading members of the global ZeroCovid movement met for a three-day international conference last Wednesday, it had a far more innocuous title: the “Covid Community Action Summit”.
But even though this increasingly popular school of thought – which holds that we must not return to normal until the virus is completely eliminated within a country – wasn’t explicitly on the billing, its presence was made clear from the outset. In her introductory remarks, the moderator confirmed to the more than 600 registrants and speakers from across the world that “we are here to end Covid through ZeroCovid and CovidZero policies”. More often at the event, held over Zoom and organised by American scientist Yaneer Bar-Yam, speakers preferred to refer to ZeroCovid as an “elimination strategy”.
Yet the purpose of the event was clear: to share evidence and political advice to help campaigners lobby Western governments to abandon any notion of living alongside the virus, and instead to follow the lead of Asia-Pacific nations in aiming to eliminate the disease entirely within their borders. This group is crucially distinct from people who support ongoing lockdown measures to suppress the virus to a level where it is safe to reopen – for ZeroCovid believers, we cannot rest until that level is zero.
Extreme it may be, but it is no fringe movement.
Their advocates are among the most regular faces in broadcast media; Professor Devi Sridhar, one of its most outspoken advocates, has appeared on Channel 4 News 21 times during the pandemic – more than any other expert.
There’s a UK ZeroCovid chapter, which last month hosted its own well-attended online conference; the Scottish Government is committed to their campaign, alongside Independent SAGE, British trade unions and Labour MPs such as Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott. Meanwhile, influential Tory MPs like Jeremy Hunt advocate a strategy of “zero infections and elimination of the disease” and routinely refer to the Asian model. Google search results in the UK and US for “ZeroCovid” are at an all-time high. The campaign has momentum.
Sayers spies the fatal flaw for any country that values its freedom.
ZeroCovid is a totalitarian aim, best delivered by a totalitarian state. Even in Australia, last weekend there was panic buying in Perth as the city re-entered lockdown in response to a single positive test result. So far at least, British voters have not chosen to reject liberal democracy, no matter what the epidemiological allure of a ZeroCovid regime.
For now, the British Government has resisted the campaign’s logic, and the Prime Minister continues to make encouraging signals about easing restrictions and even summer holidays. But as the impact of the vaccine is felt and the number of cases continues to fall, the politically difficult question of what constitutes an acceptable level of infection will have to be addressed.
Whatever that level is, expect well-spoken ZeroCovid campaigners to say it is too high. At each hesitant step towards opening up society, expect it to be called irresponsible and short-termist. No doubt ZeroCoviders sincerely believe their campaign for a Covid-free world is a noble one. But how successful they are at influencing policy will affect the shape of our society for years to come.
Worth reading in full.
Does a Single Dose of the Oxford Vaccine Really Cut Transmission by Two-Thirds?
Earlier this week there were excited reports that a single dose of the Oxford vaccine had been shown in trials to prevent “two-thirds of Covid transmissions”. In itself, this result would not be surprising, once you remember that asymptomatic infection is not a major driver of transmission, and the vaccine has been shown to reduce symptomatic infection. However, the study drew this conclusion, not because it accepted that premise, but because it maintained the opposite, namely, that asymptomatic infection is a major driver of transmission, and thus it claims to have shown that the vaccine reduces the incidence of asymptomatic infections.
We asked pathologist and regular contributor Dr Clare Craig to take a closer look at this study and have published her findings on the right-hand side. She was not impressed.
On February 1st the Oxford Vaccine Group published their latest findings on the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. While the findings are encouraging, the way they have been interpreted is questionable. The study is underpowered for the conclusions that are being drawn from it and there has been extensive data mining undertaken retrospectively in an attempt to draw more powerful conclusions.
They concluded that in the vaccinated group two thirds fewer people were infected. Despite admitting that they did not study transmission, they still commented on it. The conclusions reached were the overall percentage testing positive was 54% lower “indicating the potential for a reduction of transmission”. The 54% figure was deduced from positivity including asymptomatic positives. This is not a reasonable conclusion to draw on two counts. They have assumed that asymptomatic positives are a major source of transmission and there is minimal evidence to support that assertion; and they failed to account for false positive test results.
Asymptomatic positives were looked for only in the UK participants. They have not stated how often these people were tested, but it can be inferred that they were tested 10 times each on a weekly basis for follow up from day 22 to day 90. That is 82,070 tests. A remarkably low false positive rate of 0.16% would be enough to account for the asymptomatic positives that they found. Repeat testing will only exclude false positives if a negative result is used to overrule a previous positive result. The criteria for calling a positive were not disclosed in the paper and it is assumed that a single PCR positive test was considered significant.
Instead of realising this there has been over-interpretation of the results.
The problem is that the results are all over the place, leaving no confidence in the research group’s conclusions.
Note that the difference between the two control groups in the symptomatic positives is significant – 2.7% infected vs 3.6% infected. If there is potential for that much difference between the control arms, then the impact of the difference between the control and vaccine arm has to be called into question. There does appear to be an effect of vaccination in the symptomatic group, but the effect is not as dramatic when considering that one control arm had a 25% reduction in symptomatic positives by chance alone.
For the asymptomatic positives, again, the difference between the two control arms – 2.2% vs 1.5% – is of the same order of magnitude as the difference it is claimed was due to the vaccine in the low dose arm – 1.2% vs 2.2%. Furthermore, when two standard doses were given, no difference was observed at all – 1.5% were asymptomatic positives in both control and vaccine arms.
How can the vaccine be having an impact if it is possible to find the same impact by randomly assigning people to two different control groups?
Worth reading in full.
Is the UK Complying With WHO Guidance on PCR Testing?
A Lockdown Sceptics reader wrote to his MP to ask whether the UK was complying with new WHO guidance, published in January, about how to use PCR tests correctly for COVID-19.
The MP put his questions to the House of Commons Library. The answer that came back was basically no, or rather, we leave it up to the labs to decide what to do. Here it is in full.
An article in the journal Science explains the cycle threshold in the following way:
“Standard tests identify SARS-CoV-2 infections by isolating and amplifying viral RNA using a procedure known as the polymerase chain reaction (PCR), which relies on multiple cycles of amplification to produce a detectable amount of RNA. The CT value is the number of cycles necessary to spot the virus; PCR machines stop running at that point. If a positive signal isn’t seen after 37 to 40 cycles, the test is negative (see “One number could help reveal how infectious a COVID-19 patient is. Should test results include it?“, Science, September 29th 2020)“
The cycle threshold (Ct) value can broadly tell you the concentration of “viral genetic material” in a patient sample following testing by RT-PCR. The Public Health England (PHE) publication on Understanding cycle threshold (Ct) in SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR (October 2020) explains that:
“A low Ct indicates a high concentration of viral genetic material, which is typically associated with high risk of infectivity.
“A high Ct indicates a low concentration of viral genetic material which is typically associated with a lower risk of infectivity. In the context of an upper respiratory tract sample a high Ct may also represent scenarios where a higher risk of infection remains – for example, early infection, inadequately collected or degraded sample.
“A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.“
The Library is not in a position to know if the laboratories across the UK that are processing COVID-19 tests are providing information on Ct values to a central point (such as Departments of Health across the devolved administrations, Test and Trace in England); I cannot see that there is information publicly available detailing how each laboratory runs its PCR machines.
There is, however, more general information about Cycle Thresholds published by PHE. Its publication on Understanding cycle threshold (Ct) in SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR explains that there are “many different SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR assays/platforms in use across the UK” and that “each assay will have a slightly different limit of detection (LoD) – the lowest concentration of virus that can be reliably and consistently detected by the assay”.
The document goes on to caution against directly comparing cycle threshold values:
“Ct [cycle threshold] values cannot be directly compared between assays of different types due to variation in the sensitivity (limit of detection), chemistry of reagents, gene targets, cycle parameters, analytical interpretive methods, sample preparation and extraction techniques (p7). The same document states that ‘a typical RT-PCR assay will have a maximum of 40 thermal cycles’ (see p6). Further background on cycle threshold values can be found on pages 3 & 6 of the PHE document.“
Separate guidance published by PHE states that “All laboratories should determine the threshold for a positive result at the limit of detection based on the in-use assay” (PHE, “Research and analysis: Assurance of SARS-CoV-2 RNA positive results during periods of low prevalence“, Updated October 16th 2020).
Wales
Regarding the situation in Wales, the Welsh Parliament Research Service has produced a briefing on PCR testing in response to a petition considered by the Petitions Committee on “Abandon the rt-PCR test for covid-19 testing as its unfit for purpose” (see Welsh Parliament Research Service “Testing for COVID-19 using the rt-PCR test“, December 15th 2020). This notes that:
“The TAC report on the RT-PCR test confirmed (p.10) that multiple platforms (representing equipment from different manufacturers) were being used by Public Health Wales (PHW) to support the testing regime. In terms of the number of amplification cycles involved in RT-PCR, PHW responses to Freedom of Information requests (FOI 451 and FOI 461) indicate that: The real-time PCR assays in use in Wales for COVID-19 diagnostics all run for 45 cycles however, the cycle number where the sample is defined as RNA NOT DETECTED varies by platform and target gene detected by the system. This is defined by the manufacturer.“
Asymptomatic testing
The constituent also asked if those who are asymptomatic and receive a positive COVID-19 result are retested. I cannot see anything suggesting that those who are asymptomatic, and are tested using the RT-PCR test, would be retested on receipt of a positive result. There is guidance, however, that those who are asymptomatic and receive a positive result after using a lateral flow test would be required/offered to have a PCR test to confirm the result (see, for example, Birmingham City Council, “Covid-19 lateral flow device (LFD) testing information“, not dated).
Tribute to a Father
Lockdown Sceptics reader Andy Smith has written to tell us the sad story of his dad’s death on Wednesday.
I gave these low grade politicians the benefit of the doubt with their initial three week lock down, in the face of “a new virus”, to “flatten the sombrero and save the NHS from being overrun”. In my mind, a stated incubation period of up to 14 days should have seen seen the methodology of a three week lockdown vindicated. As soon as Johnson and his henchmen continued the lockdown, without evidence to substantiate it, it became obvious to me that we were being governed by the equivalent of a bunch of double glazing salesmen, dating back to the 1970s (apologies to those guys) who refused to leave your home without a pressurised sale.
My dad: Herbert Bruce Smith –“Bruce” to everyone – was taken by ambulance from his home just outside Norwich to the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital on January 11th with a suspected water infection (diagnosed by the ambulance crew). Upon being admitted to hospital we (my mum Janet, my sister Wendy and I) were horrified that he had been put in a Covid ward being suspected of having the virus. Two days later his test came back negative and he was moved out of the Covid ward into his own room.
He was expected to return home on January 21st but was refused as he had now tested positive for Covid – obviously caught in hospital. I would stress here that I do not blame the hospital. I blame Johnson and Hancock for the way they are governing the NHS and I hope I live long enough to see their day of reckoning when the world regains its common sense.
Bruce was subsequently transferred to Dereham hospital. I am in Costa Rica, Wendy is currently self-isolating in Norwich having tested positive for the virus and my mum was allowed access to my dad’s bedside. We had a family video conference call on the morning of February 2nd. It was harrowing because it is a memory of my dad that is not consistent with his life and it is one that my mum, Wendy and I will replace in our minds with much better ones over time.
Today, February 3rd, Bruce (husband of my mum for 68 years and our dad) died. What world are we living in where travel and quarantine restrictions do not allow me to return home and be together with my my mum and my sister to say goodbye to a wonderful man?
My initial observation is that my dad will have contributed to Hancock’s statistics twice, firstly testing positive in hospital and secondly his death certificate will, I am sure, record the virus as the cause of death.
Like many families, I do not want my father to become another Government statistic, so I hope you publish this as a tribute not only to “Bruce” but to all the other expendable casualties.
Spot the Pandemic Year
Can the Government Force You to Be Tested?
There follows a guest post by Dr John Fanning, Senior Lecturer in Tort law at the University of Liverpool, addressing the worrying prospect of forced testing for COVID-19.
The Department of Health announced this week that it will deploy door-to-door “surge testing” in parts of England to “monitor and suppress” the spread of the South African variant of COVID-19. This “testing blitz” will apply in Bristol and Liverpool and in specified postcode areas in the East of England (EN10), London (W7, N17, CR4), the North West (PR9), the South East (ME15 and GU21) and the West Midlands (WS2). Residents over the age of 16 in these target areas will be asked to take a COVID test, regardless of whether they have symptoms. Liverpool’s return to the naughty step is particularly irksome: it is the second time in three months that the city has hosted a mass asymptomatic testing programme. Last time, the results cast doubt on claims that the city had a serious problem: of the 108,304 asymptomatic people tested in Liverpool between November 6th and 26th 2020, 703 tested positive for COVID-19 – or 0.6%. This time, health officials in Liverpool and in other “surge” areas will ask residents to take a test, perhaps even on their doorstep, to “come down hard” on the new variant.
All this raises an interesting question: if a health official knocks on your door, do you have to be tested? As things stand, it doesn’t appear so. In general, anyone who “inflicts” unlawful force on another person commits the tort of battery (Collins v Wilcock [1984] 1 WLR 1172), sometimes also known as a “trespass”. Any form of bodily contact exceeding the jostling of (normal) everyday life will qualify as a trespass; e.g. a punch in the face, an unwanted kiss, a swab forced up the nose, and so on. What makes the “infliction” of force lawful is the presence of the other person’s consent. This is why a doctor must be sure that she/he has a patient’s consent before beginning a medical examination or administering treatment – without it, she/he will be acting unlawfully. In spite of the Health Secretary’s gung-ho rhetoric and the impression cultivated by the media, the mass testing programme seems ultimately to rely on the consent of its participants: the Department of Health “strongly encourages” people in the target areas to participate and talks of tests being “offered” to those who must leave their homes for essential reasons. The Government evidently prefers the ‘carrot’ approach, perhaps fearing the optics of a scheme buttressed by compulsion. Mercifully, the prospect of being wrestled to the ground as a local authority functionary forces a swab down your throat remains – at least for now – the stuff of libertarian nightmares.
The problem is that the Government does have a “big stick” at its disposal in the form of the Coronavirus Act 2020. Schedule 21 to that Act contains powers that the state can deploy against “potentially infectious persons”; i.e., those who are, or may be, infected or contaminated with coronavirus and who might therefore infect or contaminate others – which, during a global pandemic, could be just about anyone. Where a public health officer or a police constable considers it “necessary and proportionate” in the interests of the person, for the protection of others, or for the maintenance of public health, she/he can deploy the powers under Schedule 21. These include the power to remove a potentially infectious person to a place for “suitable screening and assessment” (para.6), to hold that person at that place for up to 48 hours (if held by a public health officer) (para.9) or for renewable 24-hour periods (if held by a police constable) (para.13), to require that person to provide a biological sample (para.10), and, in the event of a positive test result, to detain that person for up to 14 days (paras. 14 and 15). A failure to comply without reasonable excuse with these requirements will constitute a criminal offence (para. 23).
As far as I can tell, none of these Schedule 21 powers has been invoked in England – they are, if you like, “plugged in” but the Health Secretary is yet to switch them on. If they were engaged, however, a person who refused to submit to a doorstep test could potentially be arrested, taken to a suitable facility, and required by law to undergo COVID-19 testing. The imagery this evokes is utterly chilling; the Coronavirus Act is like a dystopian fantasy in statutory form. There are few laws on the books that can rival it. I suspect only the Mental Health Act 1983 – which allows doctors to detain persons with mental disorders and forcibly treat them in hospital – could be said, pound for pound, to be more coercive. This raises an interesting question about why the Government believed that such a high degree of coercion was necessary in the first place. The Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, enacted with outbreaks of “notifiable” diseases like anthrax, plague and smallpox in mind, makes its powers to remove, isolate and detain infectious people contingent upon a magistrate’s warrant. What is it about COVID-19 that justified a more robust legislative response than that afforded to smallpox? Why are the liberties of a person suffering from a disease with a 30% mortality rate afforded greater protection by the law than those of a person with an illness that kills only around 1% of the people it infects? Schedule 21 reveals much about the government’s bizarre calculus as it butted the Coronavirus Bill through Parliament in those mad March days.
Sceptics Under Fire
Spectator Editor Fraser Nelson – himself a lockdown supporter – has come to the defence of sceptics in their struggle against Witch-Finder General Neil O’Brien MP in his Telegraph column this week.
Covid is distinguished by how little we still know about it, how even the greatest experts can be confounded. This time last year, experts on the SAGE committee were unanimous in advising against a Wuhan-style lockdown. China had been foolish, said its memo: it was “a near certainty” that a second peak would strike once it unlocked. This did not happen. Jonathan Van-Tam and others rubbished the need for face masks, which are now mandatory. This is not to question any of their credentials: it was a new and fast-moving situation that wrong-footed everyone. Myself very much included.
But rather than emphasise the need to be open-minded, and consider all new angles, we somehow reached a situation where faith in lockdown is complete – and those who question its efficacy are disparaged. This shift is embodied by the behaviour of Neil O’Brien, a think tank chief turned Tory MP, who over the summer started using social media to highlight claims made by critics of lockdown. He applied his forensic mind to the pursuit of errors, and started to acquire quite a following.
But this all mutated into a targeting of academics who had been effectively – and accurately – criticising aspects of lockdown. With some like-minded others, O’Brien created a website listing the offenders and their wrongthink. A new label was applied to the bloggers, journalists and professors: “Covid sceptics”.
One is Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University, who balances his academic work with weekend work as an urgent care NHS doctor. When Heneghan spotted flaws in calculating Covid deaths, it led to a change in Government policy. Yet this world-class academic, who in his spare time sees elderly patients suffering from Covid, has found himself denounced.
A few months ago, Heneghan was being consulted by the Prime Minister – who wanted him to test the arguments of the (many) lockdown advocates in Government. Also invited was Sunetra Gupta, a Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at Oxford and an energetic critic of lockdown. She now joins Prof Heneghan on the official list of heretics, pilloried on a website whose various sponsors include a well-regarded Tory MP tipped for promotion. It’s all very odd.
Ministers don’t appear to mind the heretic-hunting one bit. When O’Brien’s efforts were hailed as “fantastic” by Jacob Rees-Mogg, Leader of the Commons, it started to look like a semi-authorised campaign against Government critics. It can even claim to be an effective campaign, insofar as the academics in its sights do seem to have taken a lower profile.
The professors might be talking the most appalling rot – or they might come to be completely vindicated. But what matters, and what we’re losing, is the upholding of rigorous debate. The point of Parliament is to talk, hence the name. But when parliamentarians seek to close down discussion (O’Brien has said he won’t debate Heneghan so as not to give him “the publicity”), then it marks a deeply worrying turn.
Worth reading in full.
Round-up
- “Boris Johnson ‘over-cautious’ in keeping schools shut until March 8th” – SAGE member Professor Robert Dingwall breaks ranks to tell the Telegraph: “It’s very hard to resist the conclusion that the English are being a little over-cautious this time. If you have the first three years of primary coming back immediately after half term that is not now going to create an explosive third wave.”
- “Households should be allowed to mix again NEXT MONTH, expert says” – Another pro-reopening scientist, Professor Paul Hunter, as reported in the Sun
- “Tomorrow will be a good day” – In the latest episode of the Telegraph‘s Planet Normal podcast Allison and Liam speak to Rod Grant, Headteacher of Clifton Hall School, who says he’s more concerned now than he’s ever been in his 30 years in the classroom about the effect the pandemic is having on children’s mental health
- “Can we boost immunity with the vaccines we have now?” – Ross Clark in the Spectator on the new Oxford University study that is recruiting 820 volunteers to receive mixed doses of different vaccines to see if this will improve the efficacy. Question is, how can a study of 820 people achieve statistically significant results? Why are the doses only being spaced by two weeks when studies have suggested longer is better? Does the Government care?
- “Proof the peak HAS passed: Daily deaths drop to 915 and cases to 20,634 – down 30% from last week – as all but THREE local authorities in England see Covid infections fall and pressure on NHS intensive care units finally eases” – More good news in the Mail
- “Even with vaccines, an unreformed NHS may force us back into lockdown” – Sherelle Jacobs in the Telegraph with more cracking analysis: “The bottom line is that the NHS has broken under the weight of our expectations. Thus, further winter lockdowns remain a serious possibility”
- “Covid and Kids: The Evidence” – The Swiss Doctor with a characteristically comprehensive and concise rundown of the facts and studies
- “Seven indicators that show infections were falling before Lockdown 3.0” – HART member Professor David Paton in the Critic with a thorough summary of the evidence
- “Sweden to develop ‘vaccination passports’ that allow you to travel and meet friends” – Depressing report in the Telegraph of the country that prized liberty in 2020 apparently turning its back on it in 2021
- “Weaknesses in the Covid data” – In the latest episode of the Pandemic Podcast, Andy is joined by Emily Barley, co-founder of the Covid Data Dashboard
- “A good citizen or a badass. How to choose” – Antonia Rolls ponders what really makes a good citizen in Covid land
- “Why schools must open – and stay open” – Tim Black in spiked says we need to treat schools as we do hospitals and supermarkets – too important to do without
- “Flawed democracy” – Strong leader article in Spectator Australia coming to the defence of Liberal backbencher Craig Kelly and his opposition to masks and support for Covid treatments such as HCQ and ivermectin
- “WHO team in Wuhan sees data ‘no one has seen before’ – and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab” – Sky News update on the investigations into the virus’s origin
- “Macron’s Lockdown Conundrum Will Decide France’s Recession Fate” – To lock down or not to lock down, that is the question, says William Horobin in Bloomberg
- “The Cost of Lockdown” – New site cataloguing the collateral damage
- “Israel’s rapid rollout provides the first real-world proof that COVID vaccination works as well as promised” – Despite current high infection levels, a large-scale investigation of 163,000 people finds that those not vaccinated were 11 times more likely to test positive than those vaccinated, Yahoo! News reports
- “The impact of national non-pharmaceutical interventions (‘lockdowns’) on the presentation of cancer patients” – New peer-reviewed study in ecancer that finds an 18.2% reduction in new cancer diagnoses (987 cancers) in 2020 compared with 2019, particularly prostate (51.4%), gynaecological (29.7%), breast (29.5%) and lung (23.4%) cancers
- “Why I refused to clap for Captain Tom” – Beverley Turner in the Mail says she finds it it impossible to view the events surrounding the centenarian’s latter days “without looking through the prism of COVID-19, the Government’s response to it and the various ways in which our country has been manipulated and controlled with no clear metrics to escaping lockdowns”
- “The nonsense of ‘unessential work’” – Michael Curzon in Bournbrook on a very dubious distinction
- Life has returned to normal in the Isle of Man, save for the fact that visitors from the mainland aren’t allowed
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “Boy in a bubble” by Paul Simon, “Let Us Out” by Marble Statues and “What the world is waiting for” by the Stone Roses.
Love in the Time of Covid
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Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you the story of Jess Krug, the white professor who posed as black for years, until she came clean last autumn. The Washingtonian has the story.
“I am a coward.” Jessica Krug’s confession started ricocheting across screens one brutally muggy afternoon in late-summer Washington. “For the better part of my adult life,” it began, “every move I’ve made, every relationship I’ve formed, has been rooted in the napalm toxic soil of lies.” Krug, a faculty member at George Washington University, had taken to Medium, the online forum, to reveal a stunning fabrication. Throughout her entire career in academia, the professor of African history – a white woman – had been posing as Black and Latina.
“I have thought about ending these lies many times over many years, but my cowardice was always more powerful than my ethics. I know right from wrong. I know history. I know power. I am a coward,” she wrote. “You should absolutely cancel me, and I absolutely cancel myself.”
The statement, posted September 3rd, 2020, went viral immediately, unleashing a tidal wave of Oh, my Gods across the text chains of Krug’s GW colleagues and other academics. “We were all blindsided,” says GW history-department chair Daniel Schwartz. Distraught emails from Krug’s students – less than a week into a virtual semester already upended by the coronavirus pandemic – began piling up in faculty in-boxes. Meanwhile, an online mob went to work churning up old photos of Krug and tanking the Amazon ratings of her book. By the end of the day, a now-infamous video of Krug calling herself “Jess La Bombalera” and speaking in a D-list imitation Bronx accent was all over the internet.
The next morning, Schwartz convened an emergency staff meeting on Zoom. The initial shock of their colleague’s revelation had quickly given way to anger, and now the GW professors who logged on were unanimous: The department should demand Krug’s resignation right away. If she refused, they’d call for the university to rescind her tenure and fire her. That afternoon, they issued their ultimatum in a public statement. Five days later, Krug quit.
It was a dizzyingly fast fall for a woman who’d been among the most promising young scholars in her field. The 38-year-old had a PhD from one of the nation’s most prestigious African-history programs. She’d been a fellow at New York’s famed Schomburg Center, done research on three continents, and garnered wide praise for her book. She’d achieved all of it, as far as her GW colleagues knew, despite an upbringing that was nothing short of tragic. As Krug told it, she’d been raised in the Bronx, in “the hood.” Her Puerto Rican mother was a drug addict and abusive.
The tale was just the latest version of one Krug had been evolving for more than 15 years, swapping varied, gruesome particulars into the made-up backstory (a rape, a paternal abandonment) for different audiences. It was a heart-tugger – and, it turns out, incredibly flimsy. Minimal online sleuthing would have unravelled any of the lies in minutes—something Krug, who was still an undergrad when Facebook debuted, surely knew. But she’d also learned that the harrowing history she’d crafted was a useful line of defence against the kind of probing that could have easily exposed her. After all, who wanted to pry into such a delicate situation?
“To everyone who trusted me, who fought for me, who vouched for me, who loved me, who is feeling shock and betrayal and rage and bone marrow deep hurt and confusion, violation in this world and beyond: I beg you, please, do not question your own judgment or doubt yourself,” Krug wrote in her confession. “You were not naive. I was audaciously deceptive.”
Worth reading in full.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.
Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
Scottish Church leaders from a range of Christian denominations have launched legal action, supported by the Christian Legal Centre against the Scottish Government’s attempt to close churches in Scotland for the first time since the the Stuart kings in the 17th century. The church leaders emphasised it is a disproportionate step, and one which has serious implications for freedom of religion.” Further information available here.
There’s the class action lawsuit being brought by Dr Reiner Fuellmich and his team in various countries against “the manufacturers and sellers of the defective product, PCR tests”. Dr Fuellmich explains the lawsuit in this video. Dr Fuellmich has also served cease and desist papers on Professor Christian Drosten, co-author of the Corman-Drosten paper which was the first and WHO-recommended PCR protocol for detection of SARS-CoV-2. That paper, which was pivotal to the roll out of mass PCR testing, was submitted to the journal Eurosurveillance on January 21st and accepted following peer review on January 22nd. The paper has been critically reviewed here by Pieter Borger and colleagues, who have also submitted a retraction request. UPDATE: The retraction request was rejected yesterday.
And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
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And Finally…
In his Spectator column this week, Toby suspects he might not be first in line for a peerage from Boris, despite a promising start.
Watching Lord Hannan of Kingsclere being introduced in the House of Lords on Monday was a bittersweet moment. On the one hand, I’m delighted for Dan. He is one of the heroes of Brexit, and his impromptu speech about Margaret Thatcher in the pub following her memorial service brought a tear to my eye (you can find his speech on YouTube). But on the other, I can’t help thinking: where’s my bloody peerage? I’ve edited this and that, co-founded four free schools, served on the boards of numerous charities and set up the Free Speech Union. I was the chief exec of a high-profile charity, for Christ’s sake, and my immediate predecessor got a CBE. I haven’t even got a lousy MBE. All the more surprising given that I must be one of the few potential recipients who wouldn’t denounce the British Empire as soon as he pocketed the gong.
I thought my elevation to the Lords might happen when Boris became Prime Minister. Up until that point, I’d given him more tobacco enemas than any other journalist in Fleet Street. (Blown smoke up his arse.) I even wrote a 5,000-word hagiography for an Australian magazine entitled “Cometh the hour, cometh the man“. Indeed, I laid on the oil so thick in that piece I’m now worried that when I’m standing in front of St Peter at the Pearly Gates he’s going to bring it up: “You did plenty of good works, you’ve been a decent husband and father and you always gave money to beggars. But on the other hand, you did write that 5,000-word piece about Boris in which you compared him to Nietzsche’s Übermensch. Sorry mate, it’s down you go.”
It was Boris who got my hopes up. In September of 2011, when he was Mayor of London, he opened the first free school I helped set up. He made quite a good joke as he cut the ribbon. ‘The Secretary of State for Education has given a new word to the English language,’ he said, referring to our mutual friend. “We give, they gave, he Gove – he Gove us this school.”
Afterwards, as he was getting into his chauffeur-driven car, he asked me if I’d like to be in the House of Lords. “We need more people like you,” he said.
“Don’t I have to give a million quid to the Tory party first?”
“Leave it with me,” he said, touching his nose.
Problem is, then came Covid.
Given how critical I’ve been of Boris since the outbreak of the coronavirus crisis, I’ve now abandoned all hope. Bloody typical of me. I’ve been a massive Boris backer since I campaigned for him to become president of the Oxford Union in 1985; then, 35 years later, when he’s finally in a position to reward his loyal supporters, I start attacking him in the press.
It was the same story with David Cameron. We were at Brasenose together and when he was still prime minister I told him about the shock I’d received when I returned for a college reunion and Dave Ramsden – a contemporary of ours and now deputy governor of the Bank of England – let slip he’d been given a knighthood. “Come on, Prime Minister,” I said. “You’ve got to stick me in the Lords so I can one-up him at the next Brase-nose gaudy.” He laughed, but I told him I was in deadly earnest. I thought there might be a sliver of a chance until we ended up on different sides during the EU referendum. Another bridge burnt.
Worth reading in full.
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Mandatory Hotel quarantine for inbound travellers from red zones is another beginning that has no end. Much like lockdown, the founding logic is flawed, so there is no exit. That going on holiday from the U.K. is now illegal is astonishing; that healthy British citizens are to be incarcerated for the crime of being abroad is mind-boggling. Once again, incremental small steps, nudges and political infighting have led the U.K. to a position of apparently broad acceptance of a police state.
The root of the authoritarian instincts of the British people appears to be a distrust and dislike of ‘other people’. Quarantine affects ‘other people’, especially ‘social media influencers’ who have had the audacity to go on holiday when everyone else is supposed to be suffering. Easy to identify, easy to scorn, pictures and bio readily available – perfect for Covid hysteria lazy journalism.
When hotel quarantine doesn’t bring down the fallacious PCR result numbers, the list of countries will broaden, the list of dangerous mutations engorged, freedom to travel even more restricted. As before, the individual decisions all make sense if you accept the founding fallacy of a single PCR test without clinical diagnosis being the gold standard of Covid. That the WHO has declared that to be no longer the case appears to have gone unnoticed.
The people who make these decisions will be unaffected as their travel will be deemed ‘essential’. Their supporters will miss their trip to the Alps this year. Both groups content in the knowledge they have selflessly sacrificed other people’s livelihoods in order to protect themselves.
It has earlier been reported that it is against ‘human rights’ to charge a fee for involuntary incarceration (as the CCP are said to charge the family of executed prisoners the cost of the bullet).
But the only plaintiffs allowed to bring a case into court are Sovereign States that have signed the various conventions, not the incarcerated citizen themselves.
The fine for not isolating was originally set at £500.00, about one hours fee for a top lawyer.
I thought about this. I wondered whether Portugal could be bothered. They are going to miss out massively on UK tourism; perhaps a court case might be worth something to them? I read somewhere that Portgual was only included on this list because of ‘its close links with Brazil’.
Close links. Across three thousand miles of ocean.
They speak the same language, though.Is it a particularly good one for spreading the bug?
Doesn’t matter what facilities you provide. A jail with golden walls is still a jail. You are imprisoning innocent people without trial.That is an axe laid to the tree of justice that had been growing in this country for well over a thousand years.
The worst British government in history just got inconceivably worse. The fact that other governments are equally bad is no excuse.
Exactly. WTF is wrong with people. Gleefully orgasming that the stay in a prison was better than expected. No doubt some criminals felt the same. And this is a trial run. They can do the same in the future, again and again. And the sheeple will thank these arselings. Applaud them. Give thanks for safety etc etc. Just frigging pathetic.
The American government is just as bad.
I think one of the most disheartening things about this piece is that the only feasible opposition in the current Two Party politics system called it “too little too late”. How can this madness ever end?
Given that Labour wanted harsher lockdowns like Spain & Belguim, its clear they couldn’t give a toss about ordinary working people so the only way this will end is with us the people.
It looking like a straight choice between an early death at the hands of the depopulators or a revolution. Neither is a pleasant prospect, though revolution at least gives the people a fighting chance.
Agree. Fight for our freedom & rights or die trying.
Providing we can get the reopening done before too many people are jabbed.
I don’t think the appearance of consent is rooted in dislike of ‘other people.’ It is rooted in the ancien regime deference that Britain never shook, and has been cultivated over recent decades (at least since 1997) through the great vulnerability-infantilisation move: you are vulnerable; we will protect and look after you in exchange for your dependence and obedience. Add to that a well coordinated propaganda campaign and a good dollop of demonisation directed at us, and you have a total explanation. This is not divine punishment for the naughtiness in our souls. We are the victims here.
And the victimisation has only just started.
I see one of the zero-Covid websites is openly arguing that hotel quarantine for international travellers should be permanent.
Perhaps the real motivation isn’t actually anything to do with pandemics though: “Growing numbers of people are already choosing to limit their airplane or car travel due to these activities’ environmental effects.”
Until the day they themselves want to get on a plane that is. You can bet your bottom dollar they’ll be checking in business or first class. It’s always the same with these types of schmucks. Rule for thee, not for me.
Is there are term similar to “champagne socialist” for those who push elitist policies in the name of environmentalism?
Carrot juice environmentalist?
Learjet Gretas?
When I think of elitist environmentalism I think of some far older than Greta: Prince Charles!
Restricting travel won’t be anywhere near enough, they want us gone and the vaccines are designed to bring that about.
It’s bonkers. I’d like to see the law that is giving authority to these security guards to forcibly detain you. What happens if a family just walks out? Do they beat people? Handcuff them? Then what…if they’ve committed a crime do they have the police called on them?
The legislation that gives authority to certain people to essentially keep you captive (Police, prison, immigration etc) is really “tight”. Its nothing like these wishy washy laws they’ve brought in so far. It has to be because otherwise they’re kidnapping you. I believe the going rate of compensation for one night of false imprisonment is around £40k.
Exactly! This is scare tactics. It is voluntary!!
Certainly cheaper than the offers on the table in Korea – £1000 to £1200 for 14 nights. Complete with guards in hazmat suits escorted all the way to the hotel. To me it was utterly ridiculous almost a year ago because I saw no evidence it was justified. I can’t believe it’s still going on today and being rolled out everywhere else.
spot on – this lunacy knows no boundaries!
pretty obvious to see they bring in a policy and then extend it unilaterally – they will not lift these restrictions/preconditions for travel so we are basically imprisoned.
And all to keep the stupidity of asymptomatic transmission going. If I arrive at the airport and get a negative LFT test I should be free to go. I have no symptoms. But because they have to keep the yes you feel okay, you tested negative but you could still spread the disease in a asymptomatic fashion going I am put into prison for two weeks. What if I catch covid in prison are you liable for this. Do I have to start again?
Why, when we are in an endemic phase are you shutting down airports? The whole world has it. We all have the same Sars virus. Any mutation wont change that, just add a few more barbs to different variants, if your immune to one the mutation won’t cause you any more grief. So why lock the stable door after the horse has not only bolted, its had its way with the two horses in the next field and won the 3:40 at Kempton. Was a good idea in December, unfortunately that was December 2019.
The virus is the pretext for the police state they want to usher in
You must have been listening to David Icke.
It wasn’t a good idea in Dec 2019 either. The long planned Covid event isn’t about fighting a virus and never has been. It is about war by governments on their own peoples. The UK government is a particularly egregious example and it has played an essential part in fathering the worldwide Covid scam.
Hear hear
It’s only the beginning. In the end people will beg for their own enslavement.
Food production (particularly meat) and cars are next.
All the covid zealots are just using it to push their agendas. UN Agenda 2030 etc
Unfortunately only blood being spilled is the last resort for liberty to return as it has done historically.
As all our institutions are complicit in this coup it is looking like only a revolution can end it.
Down downvote debate with me
Can’t argue with thoughts on revolution. It’s become hard to see any other way out of this epic mess.
Yes there was an article recently that meat, cheese and diary products would have higher taxes because they contribute to the carbon. You can see where this is all leading! No travel, no meat/diary, no cars – slaves to the system with no leisure and pleasure and you will be happy!
………and own nothing!
The Canadian story about UBI and debt cancellation against the confiscation of all your property looks more and more credible.
Its other forecasts have already come true, next up is another, surprise, lockdown after the reopening due to further mutations.
I am now hesitantly coming around to believing in the lizard or cockroach story as well….
We all know that the unpublicised small print of all these regulations will exempt politicians, senior civil servants, and that anyone else in receipt of the necessary dispensation from a properly authorised body will not be expected to quarantine. (It was about 4 months ago that this double standard came to light when Tony Blair found himself trying to claim that a trip to a junket in the US constituted a suitable reason for not having to self-isolate for 2 weeks on his return. Until then, the public had been led to believe that the rules would be applied universally.).https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/18/tony-blair-asked-health-secretary-covid-rules-us-visit/
Completely unenforceable. Do not be gaslit!
The government has announced that it has provided vaccinations to all care homes. Yet the number of care home deaths has dramatically increased and so has the number attributed to Covid 19. Care home deaths are now at the highest since May 2020, when a policy of making space in hospitals had had lethal consequences. Doubtless, the lockdownistas will dismiss the obvious correlation as mere coincidence and condemn anyone who suggests otherwise as being guilty of dangerous disinformation. Yet the authorities in country after country have decided against vaccinating those who are sixty-five and over: the category most at risk from the virus. Are those authorities also guilty of dangerous disinformation?
It’s convenient for ‘those authorities’ to be able to observe the experiment being conducted in a fourth-world hell-hole where old people can be isolated,bullied, tortured and killed ad lib because they are on a par with lab rats.
My Mum who is 80 has refuse do the vaccine twice. The problem is she’s in the early stages of Alzheimer’s so the GPs surgery won’t take no for an answer although in my opinion she still has capacity. Her reasons for refusing are because of the experimental nature of the vaccine and possible side effects. The surgery has now contacted my Dad and are sending a nurse to their home to try and coerce her. My Mum is unaware of this and I feel it’s all very underhand. It will hardly be informed consent if she does agree as she’s profoundly deaf so communication with anyone she doesn’t know is extremely difficult.
Tricky. They are sending round a nurse….sinister.
Yes it’s only one small step from the mental health act being used to enforce compliance.
Nurse Ratchet.
Get the name, job title and RCN number of any nurse they send round. Point out coerced vaccination is not consent.
Good advice.
Get it all in writing.
This appears to be abuse. The fact that your Mum can give valid reasons for refusing the vaccine would appear to me enough evidence that she is quite mentally alert enough to be able to refuse. This seems about as far as caring and protecting our elderly as I can imagine.
I sometimes wonder what my parents who both gave many years in the army during World War II would think of all this. They might well have wondered if it was all worth it.
It is more than underhand, it’s illegal.
You don’t have to let the nurse in.
Not in UK, so this may not be quite the same there, but here if a person has an activated Power of Attorney for health, they make the decision. e.g. I make it for husband in care with dementia. Otherwise, the person concerned still has this capacity and he/she makes it.
The problem is my Dad will let the nurse in as he thinks my Mum should have the vaccine. I live over three hours drive away and although I have POA alongside with my Dad we can make decisions jointly and independently.
Yes, I realised afterwards you might not be nearby, so not practical.
PS So, is there a process if holders of PoA disagree? I suspect it could be long and tedious if there is.
All true, but it’s not just the oldies.
The authorities are guilty of murder.
The question is though…is this unusual or is just a normal winter? I need to see other lines on the graph with how many people normally die in care homes each season. None of them are ever coming out of there alive are they? They’ve reached a stage in life where they can no longer live at home or with family so life expectancy is only a couple of years anyway.
I fear we’re just as bad as the covidians trying to attribute all the expected deaths of elderly/vulnerable people to covid if we just start doing the same to “deaths within 28 days of the vaccine are vaccine deaths”.
We need to see data from care homes across Europe to make this determination. Particularly Northern Europe. If their rates are also high, despite not vaccinating, then you have a stronger case for seasonal mortality being the culprit. It HAS been cold these past weeks.
It has been cold…but then they’re not allowed out are they? That’d defo be a useful comparison to make.
I would imagine that the deaths attributable to actual vaccination are fewer than the deaths actually FROM covid and we know thats actually a small fraction of the phoney 100k claim.
I think the point is should we not be discussing this? If this was pure just winter deaths why did it not start in December? 22 old people in the same care home die after the jab, ahh shame, nothing to see here. There is no discussion about this and its being hidden. You cannot get the data, does that not make you suspicious?
It’s fishier than Captain Birdseye.
Of course we should be. But shouldn’t we be treating it with the same level of skepticism as we treat other data? We know only too well from the select stats that the Gov and media produce that it’s not the whole picture.
There’s tonnes of data on care home deaths in previous years from the ONS so it is available to compare: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinthecaresectorenglandandwales/2019
Show me that 2020-1 is an anomaly and then I’ll believe it.
Delete
You have to look at the shape of the curve. Steady trend then inflection point and sudden very steep gradient rise. That just doesn’t happen in the normal run of seasonal viral diseases. Either it’s an artifact or some event caused a radical change or both. Vaccination seems the obvious one. Others (e.g. Xmas) would be unlikely to cause such a sharp uptick. Delayed reporting might cause it but still looks like vax to me.
Interesting and very telling!
While I don’t agree with the plans to bring in mandatory hotel quarantine in the UK, I did an even harsher one on arrival in Singapore for my work: 15 days, no guards required as you cannot leave the room.. your keycard only works once & as a non-resident you can be deported for breaking rules.
Bizarrely, I actually found it quite freeing! Granted it was made easier because there was always an end in sight, unlike the UK’s restrictions. Welcome to have a look here if you want a slightly different take on freedom in quarantine. https://africantime.medium.com/how-i-found-freedom-in-two-weeks-of-singapores-mandatory-quarantine-2db5de17638c
WTF would anyone be pleased about being locked in a closet?
“changing approaches to freedom” has to be one of the weaseliest phrases!
Hotel quarantine is solitary confinement. It’s damaging even after only a few days. It’s immoral and unconstitutional.
You weren’t in Room 101 were you? Do you love Big Brother now?
Great, I definitely feel better now
Singapore has been an authoritarian dystopia for decades.
Am I reading this correctly?
Nearly all the newspaper headlines this morning are suggesting there will be an earlier than expected lifting of restrictions, with a move to something like the old normal in May.
This is clearly the message they have been asked to distribute, so I am expecting there will be a formal announcement shortly.
Sure you aren’t dreaming?
Even if you’re not, May is a bloody long way off. I want my freedom now.
Still, if the zombies even begin to dream of regaining a smidgeon of humanity, it’s all to the good.
When I think about it freedoms were never granted mostly fought for.I don’t recall a lot of fighting over the years for mine.It’s all a grand illusion I only ever had permissions lulled and beguiled by the idiot box in the corner.
A bit of inducement for numbskulls to stay the course and nearer the time new variants will again become legion.
Need some sort of carrot to keep the donkey moving.Meanwhile another block in the totalitarian structure the government are building gets slotted in,the hotel quarantine system.
it’s obvious what’s going to happen, isn’t it: all those hotels left empty after the collapse of the hospitality industry will be requisitioned as permanent gulags to house people like us: dissidents and those who the massive brainwashing campaign left untouched. – if you have any opportunity to get out of this country – GO!!
Well hope they have plenty of capacity.Not everyone has succumbed to the child like propoganda.
Where are you going to go.This is worldwide.You may as well make your stand in familiar territory
I want the bridal suite.
Exactly. This is the push/pull manipulation (staple tactic of sociopath abusers) at play. North Korea does this a lot too. It helps break down many resistors’ will (not all, though). Meanwhile, another brick in that totalitarian structure gets laid: ‘sure, we can incarcerate you, assault you (tests), silence you, fine you, cancel you….’
But if we all come together there is nothing the authorities can do.
But they will lose in the end.
“something like the old normal in May”
They have moved the goalposts so many times that this is just a nice carrot which will turn out to be a stick in time…
Indeed. We’re dealing with Wile E Coyote logic here, the ‘old normal’ is merely a mirage on the wall for us to slam our faces into.
Correct! The light at the end of the tunnel is not the end of the tunnel, but a great big express train coming down the tracks.
Meep! Meep!
A stick in time saves nine.
The problem will turn out be those selfish people who refuse to be vaccinated, so the return to normal cannot proceed. Their way of turning up the heat on those who haven’t bought their Covid nonsense.
Local elections in early May bring your own pen and wear a mask so not quite the old normal then.
Oooh let’s all go out and buy one of those huge person sized pens. Be so funny standing outside the booth drawing your X.
It is certain the lifting of restrictions are connected to the local elections. They need the elections to go ahead to validate themselves as democratic. Doesn’t matter who wins, we still lose.
Best thing to do is spoil your paper with a well-written rebuke of the opposition-free political stranglehold which describes itself as ‘free’.
There does seem to be a bit of a narrative shift. However once bitten…. Three weeks to flatten the sombrero, all done by spring, just two more weeks, firebreaks, just another month, eat out to help out, mutant strain, a month to break the virus, all over by Christmas, five days for Christmas, lockdown for Christmas, one day for Christmas, a month to break the virus, lockdown to Feb, lockdown to Summer!!!
I trust everything this government says, so reliable. Especially zero covid! Mmmm that’s new.
Biden has cured the virus. We can all rejoice now that the incompetent Trump, responsible for the virus rampage, has been cleansed, and now Biden has everything in hand. Ct to Zero! Then the pseudo epidemic disappears.
If everyone has to quarantine then how does that square with G7 shindig in Cornwall. People will see the hypocrisy. All to quarantine in solitary or at least self isolate except for Macron, Merkel Biden etc and their entourages who can swan in and swan out.
Well let’s see what happens when we get to May after all how many times have we been through this scenario in the last year!
I did notice on the tellybox news last night there was an absence of death-porn and a generally more up beat, positive tone.
All part of the plan.
Some somewhat sceptical replies! The reason I posted this is the point that SpikeDee1 picked up:
“There does seem to be a bit of a narrative shift”
That is of interest. The fact that so many of the newspapers had a similar message means that it has been leaked to them.
The one thing that you can consistently trust with the messaging is that when a new angle is emerging, it will be broadcast across then the MSM prior to an official announcement
It’s like that in the free Metro rag, which I pick up on Fridays mainly for the football preview. Some SAGE character, Prof Andrew Hayward, is sounding the optimistic note. Actually I still think all SAGE members should keep their mouths shut – their job is to advise the government, not to cajole the public one way or another. As you say, the message seems to be that things will get back to normal, but it’s all being attributed to the “success” of vaccination, even though actual evidence of that success is questionable. Could it just be a bit of nudging to encourage take-up of the “vaccine”?
Perhaps SAGE members are encouraged to make the noises that the government actually wants to hear. The evidence for the success of the vaccination programme isn’t just questionable though, it’s non-existent, as of course is the the reporting of vaccine adverse events, which the MHRA doesn’t think is in the public interest. You couldn’t make this stuff up.
This is one for the science bods, its heavy reading, so I can’t offer a concise summary.
Molecular recognition in the infection, replication, and transmission of COVID-19-causing SARS-CoV-2: an emerging interface of infectious disease, biological chemistry, and nanoscience
What caught my attention to this was the term “nano science” the naturalist in me instinctively recoils from such technology, the reluctant conspiracy theorist in me finds it alarming.
The libertarian in me asserts I don’t want nano technology in me! I’m sure a ‘scientist’ reading this can offer a corporate reassuring interpretation for this paper.
Rare ‘COVID arm’ side-effect leaves people with huge, itchy, red ‘bullseye’ and hives after getting Moderna shot – but doctors say ‘annoying’ splotch
leaves you armlessis harmlessI wonder if they will do any research on the carcinogenic side
benefitseffects in 10-20 years? Not to worry i’m sure big pharma will develop new cancer fightingchemicalsdrugs tocuretreat them if there are any.The dictatorship is organising parties in hotels . Don’t be too surprised if nobody turns up
They would have been better off hiring telephone boxes
Louis IX of France bunged opponents in cells in which they could neither stand, sit or lie down.
They stayed really, really safe. Or rather, he did.
You don’t have to go back that far for examples. The SS installed similar”standing cells” in the Punishment Block at Auschwitz.
I wonder if people will be able to sneak out. In Canada there was a case where someone booked themselves an Uber, and was able to just walk out. Because the staff do not have the authority to actually physically detain them, they couldn’t do anything. I suspect this is not the case in the UK or most countries though, where physical detainment (despite a deadly disease that kills on instant contact don’t you know) is not only possible but encouraged. Those valiant guards will be sacrificing themselves in droves to prevent escapees. Brave, brave souls. I expect many obituaries.
Quarantine? It’s prison.
A trial run. Great Green Fascist reset is coming. ‘Guilt free’ energy usage according to Doris and Princess Nut Nut.
A windmill in every home.
A prison you have to pay to stay in.
Anyone know what happens if you refuse to pay? I’m guessing you just get the bill anyway and threat of imprisonment if you don’t pay it?
I’d not be surprised if they just whack the cost on your tax code. They have the tech to do it in a heartbeat.
The “fines” are not legal.
Whilst browsing through the comments section yesterday, I stumbled upon an astute observation by one poster who highlighted that wealthy Western nations such as the UK have the “luxury” of being able to lock down. They rightly pointed out that developing nations have more or less been forced to scale back their restrictions, because governments quickly found that going without food is a greater risk to public health than that posed by Covid-19.
In this country we currently have millions of comfortable retirees, professionals paid to work from home and many more in suspended unemployment being propped up by the eye-watering monthly sums doled out by the furlough scheme. These people have no real fear of lockdowns aside from the inconvenience of not being able to go to the pub or book a four-star getaway in the Med. A considerable number of them even bark for longer, tougher restrictions, knowing that they will have to sacrifice little from their places on the lifeboats whilst the less fortunate thrash around in the chilly waters beneath them. Little do they know, every boat is taking on water, some more quickly than others – it’s just not enough of a concern until they realise they’re ankle deep in it.
When you have such a considerable percentage of a population relatively insulated from the economic carnage brought on by lockdowns, a society of slowly boiling frogs is created. In poorer countries, the water heated up so fast that the frog leapt to safety before it was cooked alive. Here in the UK however, we have the “luxury” of being able to be seduced by the constant stream Covid propaganda. We can afford (for now) to be actors in this little soap opera, where we can profess to be playing our part to “save lives.” We don’t see children picking out of bins in the streets (yet), with most of the suffering happening behind closed doors, so we are largely ignorant to it as a society. We can virtue-signal to our heart’s content and attack the heretics, because the true scale of the horrors caused by lockdowns are *just* about swept under the rug by our crooked media and politicians, but even they know this is cannot go on forever. Soon the whole grisly crime scene will be exposed. It will be impossible to avoid it.
Those people who were cushioned from the worst of this last year, those who had the “luxury” of being locked down and those who begged for more punishment will be forced to realise that they were never safe after all; they will undoubtedly have to take their share of the collective pain that will be felt for the next few decades should they live that long.
As the rest of the world opens up to survey the post-scamdemic wreckage, we may find ourselves one of the last countries to emerge – blighted as we are by a lying, corrupt dictatorship and tens of millions of willing collaborators who in time will awkwardly concede that they “were just following orders.”
So well said. Your posts are always so articulate and engaging.
Lockdown is a luxury for the wealthy middle-class. As I noted on here a while ago, Johnson once said that ‘One person’s cough is another person’s death knell’.
Well, one person’s champagne lockdown with Amazon and Deliveroo, Zoom meetings, WFH, home workouts is another person’s ruined business, destroyed education, deteriorating mental/physical health, devastating suicide.
You are an extremely astute woman poppy. I really hope that you manage to make it through this mess and enjoy the university life and subsequent success you deserve.
Thank you for your nice comment
A lot of people my age whom I know are sliding into hopeless depression and thinking ‘What’s the point’ because they can’t do any of the things that young people should be able to do.
It is bitterly unfair and deeply saddening but ‘the point’ is that our generation is the future – we will soon be running the institutions (if they still remain in any recognisable form after this) and we have to draw upon the privations we suffer now to ensure that this never, ever happens again and that those responsible for this get their reckoning. It is impossible to say now when this will be, but I am sure that opportunities will arise in the future and it is our job to seize them when they do.
Interesting that Toby et al. won the Cambridge Uni debate.
If your generation can learn the lessons of this shitshow, then some good at least will have come of it. Then you can hold the fort of reason for the next generation coming along after – the small children of today.
I hope, Poppy, that when you and yours are running things, you will remember and say “never again”. All power to you.
Many of us think the same Poppy because they can’t do any of the things OLD people should be able to do.
I do hope you will consider going into politics eventually. You have an independent and clear mind, can express yourself clearly, and are brave enough to stand up for what you deem to be right. People like you are desperately needed in our politics.
It terrible what these evil psychopaths have done to the lives of young people. However I find this hard to say but given the total dystopia we are in now, I think, in a pretty cynical way that this is almost a good thing.
Something has to happen to counter the situation we are in now which is largely driven by people’s very misplaced blind faith in the state, in Government. Only the very brainwashed and blinkered will be able to carry on thinking that corona bollocks was a good idea.
All this has been allowed to happen by the sleeping sheeple but now everybody is getting a huge kick up the botty, a punch in the face, a knock to the ground and a boot on their faces. Courtesy of our benevolent Government.
Soon hopefully the masses will literally WAKE UP from their soma coma and take back control.
Young people of yesteryear are now the bastards running this shit show and they were seduced into blind faith in the system as they had never been affected by it’s intrinsic EVIL before.
Things are 180 degrees different now, across the board. People have been universally royally crapped on.
that’s the spirit, rise up and wrench your future back from this evil cabal of geriatric bastards who are trying to steal it from you.
Lockdown also has little economic burden on the retired and those who live their lives on benefits (recent claimants due to lockdown excepted).
My retired neighbours may not be affected financially and are comfortable. However, they rarely leave their house and are getting bored. I fear for their mental health.
Precisely. I’m retired and so “safe” financially etc thankfully. I leave the house whenever I decide I will personally – but right now (in severe level of Lockdown and not having a car) what that means is 2 shopping trips a week and that’s it basically until the weather gets good enough to go for walks again (yep – Southern English person living in West Wales – so I wait for decent weather to go for walks LOL). That is not my definition of A Life – so yep….bored out of my mind and wanting some company.
Where us West Wakes?I could show you lots of walks down my way that aren’t muddy.
Cardigan – I have the feeling you’re in/near Tenby – so a bit away from me.
The remedy is in their own poor stupid brains.
Scott, Poppy
Thank you both for your thoughtful and eloquent posts this morning.
Living & working in the affluent home counties, I would also say that the people I and my wife have personally come into contact with who seem the most oblivious to the carnage either have no children, children at private school or those within the academic circles of Oxford (with whom my job sometimes brings me into contact with).
https://collateralglobal.org/about – are doing a good job of collating stories that are in the MSM (one would like to think the evidence for a future trial!)
https://twitter.com/collateralglbl
Being retired doesn’t make us immune from the pain of others. I’m so angry not only for the crushing of our own dreams but for those who have to try and make a living and to bring up their families in this fkin hell hole. Having ones life put on hold when you haven’t got much time left frankly fills me with murderous rage.
I’m actually getting sick of suggestions that older people are not as affected by the lockdown restrictions. At the moment I’m just about hanging onto a job and if I lose that I will be forced into poverty. Most of my dreams for this year such as furthering my art career and climbing Snowden and Ben Nevis have been crushed. I’ve had art exhibitions cancelled or postponed and my life is now unrecognisable to what it was 12 months ago. Unlike many people in my age group I have no interest in Saga cruises or similar holidays. Camping and staying in remote mountain bothies is my idea of an adventure but clearly the government wants me to be so unfit and unhealthy that I can no longer do this.
Me too!
The term pensioner, applied to every older person however active, creative and energetic drives me nuts. a while ago a round the world yachtsman of 80 plus years was described in the press as a … bloody pensioner!
I find the term pensioner offensive and ‘senior’ is just as bad. When I left my job in the NHS I had another job to go to but because I’d reached a certain age people kept insisting I was retiring. Funny how I now work more hours than n my new job than in my previous one.
Hi Fiery, I honestly don’t think that people (including me) are lumping all the elderly in together. I have posted on this subject but I hope I’ve been clear that the people I’m talking about are the comfortably pensioned. Unfortunately people in this category form a majority of ‘middle England’ opinion and a lot of them are very vocal. I am very aware that there are many other elderly people living in poverty, trying to exist on a state pension and little else or even working well into older age.
We noticed a new food bank has just opened in the High Peak.
Although old, we share your tastes in activities. We were meant to do the Coast-to-Coast walk last year, camping. We deferred it to this year but do not expect it to happen. We are now planning a cycle-wild-camping trip when the weather improves, staying away from official campsites and getting away as far as possible from the shite. Good luck to you. MW
This age specific comfortably of sod everyone else more restrictions please annoys me. We are comfortably off , good pensions etc, nice house n garden etc, but we are both v. working class and have been on board with the sceptical since early 2020. One size does not fit all and we are livid at what is going on and do our best to transgress..
of course everyone alive today is affected, and even for the 99 year old in the care home it is an outrageous cruelty that they should be left to die in solitary confinement, but you have to feel more sorry for the younger people, in the same way as you feel more sorry for younger people who die. at least we had some life before this happened to us – they never will now. I look at my 15 month old great nephew (on fucking zoom of course) who is so full of joy, such a picture of light and innocence and purity, and who does not yet have an inkling of the shithole he had the misfortune to be born into, and my heart breaks for him
“Lockdown is a luxury for the wealthy middle-class. ” It is certainly made easier for them, for sure. I am one of those fortunate people. But aside from my own personal feelings about lockdown, it is wrecking the lives of my wife and daughters – as long as that is true I cannot be happy. What baffles me about those who support lockdown is do they not have children, parents, brothers, sisters, grandchildren who are affected badly by lockdown, even if they are not? They pretend to be virtuous but they are actually selfish.
Thank you Poppy. That’s high praise indeed from somebody who has illuminated these boards with wonderfully passionate and emotive posts for a good while now! I hope you and your dear boyfriend are managing to cope in this truly dreadful climate, I’m thinking of you both.
Well put Poppy. Unless people wake up and realise that this shit show won’t be over.
This.
It’s Bertolt Brecht’s poem becoming reality again.
‘Only the most stupid calves chose (and cheer on) their own butcher.’
absolutely, and not everyone lives in a comfortable, spacious home with a lovely garden, and a loving family. Far too many live in complete ratholes, dirty, unsanitary, unlovely, no garden, with appalling neighbours and a dysfunctional family, that’s if they’re not in solitary confinement
When I told my mother, wealthy and retired, that the road was shut because of flooding and it made the traffic a nightmare, she asked how this could be, in lockdown. I had to tell her that people can’t afford lockdown because they need to eat. Whether it struck home god only knows but my mother is not someone who lives in an ivory tower and has worked bloody hard all her life so, hopefully, the penny dropped.
my mother, who I live with, is 80 and gets her information from me and the msm. on the whole, she seems pretty based, considering, but occasionally she will say something that reveals just how much she still doesn’t get it. so when I told her my daughter, 200 miles away was almost in tears because there’s no way she can get here for a visit (neither she nor I can drive – I last saw her in August 2019) she kindly offered herself: ‘she could just say her grandma’s on her death bed’ – I had to point out that it’s actually illegal to travel 200 miles for a final visit to a dying loved one, that’s not considered an ‘essential journey’ and nowadays, unless you are a member of some privileged class who the rules don’t apply to, that could get you banged up.
My mums 84 and i used to visit once a week ive seen her twice since march 2020, its only 120miles round trip ,i broke lockdown 3 weeks ago early sunday morning attempting to go see her but hit a dead dear on the A35 wrote off my car and fractured my spine and chest bone .Maybe i will not see her alive again but I pray i will.
Wishing you a speedy recovery from you’re injuries and I hope you get to see your Mum in the near future.
Soon the whole grisly crime scene will be exposed. It will be impossible to avoid it.
Well put.
My hunch is that once the restrictions (or at least a good deal of them) are lifted (and they will have to be) and the damage is apparent out in the open, then the pendulum of opinion will swing violently in the other direction – helped along by the dying MSM which is no longer being paid to promote government propaganda, and is therefore all the more dependent on sales and clicks just to prolong their existence.
Sure, a lot of the zombies will never accept how they have been duped; but a lot of people will, and will be feeling pain – a great deal of pain – and will be wanting retribution. The continuing shitshow delays this moment of reckoning, but can’t actually prevent it.
None of us have a crystal ball of course, but that’s my view of where this is going. Sometimes I seriously wonder whether Parliament itself will survive this. A huge political reset is already baked in the pie I would think.
And that’s assuming there are no long-term effects from the vaccines – in my view a relatively benign scenario. If there are significant long-term effects, then Heaven only knows where we will be.
Good morning TJN,
I think your point about the MSM is very astute.
As has been highlighted on this board numerous times before, the Government advertising spend throughout this whole debacle has far outweighed that of commercial businesses (who unsurprisingly reduced theirs).
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
UK advertisers pulled more than £1.1bn spend during Covid lockdown
Government has become UK’s biggest advertiser during coronavirus crisis, figures show
PHE has become the UK’s biggest advertiser during the coronavirus period and spent almost 50% more than the next largest, Unilever, the maker of household products from Dove and Persil to Marmite.
“Public Health England ran an effective campaign to encourage lockdown compliance and raise awareness of best health practices, and its incredible increase in spend reflects the importance of advertising as a communication platform for any public or private body,” Farmer said.
Separately, the government also spent a further £15m on other ad campaigns, enough to make it the sixth biggest advertiser excluding PHE, while the Scottish government increased spend by more than 500% to £6.3m.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/aug/04/uk-advertisers-spend-covid-lockdown-coronavirus
Yes, indeed. This is one aspect of the shitshow which hasn’t received enough attention.
And of course the government holds the threat of licence fee adjustments over the BBC – which we may be sure they are leveraging to maximum effect.
But this manipulation of the media can’t go on indefinitely.
Edit: And I should have added that it’s almost a cliche to say that in a recession about the first thing companies cut back on is advertising. Presumably the same can be said of governments with massive over-spending problems. Doesn’t look good for the MSM.
Soros and Gates have very deep pockets and their tentacles are spread across the globe.
It is all paid out of the emergency loans the (private for-profit) Bank of England has generously granted the government to help cover the emergency. The BoE gets probably 0.1% interest on say £250 billion, created by entering the appropiate numbers in a digital ledger. That interest is to be paid by the tax payers, ie anyone left with a job and anyone buying goods/services. What a scam, getting the marks to pay for their own incarceration!
This is utterly mind-boggling. Having had my business completely destroyed and now owing a large amount of tax from the last good year, seeing them piss this staggering sum on propaganda is just insulting. Why would I ever trust them with my tax contribution in future? This kind of this really crushes morale.
It should raise your morale. Even the zombies obviously can’t be kept in line unless they are continually bludgeoned with propaganda.They could swing over to the other side any time. Look at the way the Soviet bloc collapsed. If you turn your people into sheep, you can hardly be surprised if they run away bleating when it’s your own regime that is threatened.
it’s far worse than that. your taxes are going on murdering your fellow citizens, wiping out your country ready for whatever they’re planning to ‘build back better’
But, as was revealed at an early stage of this debacle, PHE is due to be abolished for being shit-show. Therefore, when its huge propaganda expenditure is eventually acknowledged, the Government will be quick to claim that they’ve now dealt with the problem!
‘Romanian’ or ‘Czech’? […Revolution, that is]
I’m all for Revolution!
I’m all for Romanian revolution with firing squads at the end of it, although I could see an argument for using oubliettes for the guilty.
What good is Parliament? what good are MPs or even our local councils? It’s all a sham. If only we could galvanize the populace into believing WE can make a change if we all stick together.
What good is Parliament?
That’s the question that really frightens me in all this. Honestly, and has for since last spring. That’s the real guts of it. To ask that question is to stare into an abyss.
I see no sure footing on which we can move forwards as a society other than government through Parliament, or at least a parliament.
And yet when you look at it, What good is Parliament?
The best we can hope for is that the trouble with Parliament is 90% of the MPs there. Which leads to a whole load of other awkward questions – although conceivably answerable questions, if we as a society are prepared to ask them.
The problem is the party system as it stands today. It effectively controls who can stand for parliament and their behaviour. I have never been a supporter of PR as I felt the benefit to stable government from a party system with first past the post was worth it, but maybe PR would be one way of exposing parties to real competition from smaller parties and independents.
I want Parliament to regain itself. But how??
I’m sure you’re in large part correct in blaming the party system and their effectively controlling who stands for Parliament – leading to the nonentities we see in the Commons today. Maybe if the choice was put more in the hands of local party associations (as I understand it used to be) things would be better.
I feel the same as you about PR, but even after what we’ve seen I don’t think I could support it. But you are surely correct to suggest it may be a way of exposing the main parties to proper competition.
Then again, the Farage Brexit Party finally woke up the Conservatives after the 2019 European elections, and forced them to face up to their promises.
I can see the same thing happening again. In particular, the Farage and Fox parties have the potential to split the Conservative vote and drive them out. But it may well be that the current shitshow has fatally and permanently undermined the Conservative vote base. The local elections in May will tell us a lot more.
Right now, it’s difficult to see how we get through this. As an absolute minimum, surely a radial realignment of politics is on the way.
“and will be wanting retribution. The continuing shitshow delays this moment of reckoning, but can’t actually prevent it.”
Yes. I have already decided that when the canvassing for the next GE starts I will be sure to be emailing any current MPs in my constituency standing for re-election to tell them that I will not be voting or them because they handed power over to government, then failed to make any meaningful attempt to take that power back and finally they have failed to hold government to account for any of this. They haven’t even whined about not voting on the ramping up of fines.
To those that will be standing for election for the first time for one of the main parties I will be telling them that they do not have my vote because they are representing one of those main parties.
again I really really hope I’m wrong, but i think by 2024 we and everyone we know will either be dead or in the gulag – we do not have time to wait until 2024
I really really hope you are right and I am wrong, but I think it will be a case of too little too late. we are already f****d.
The next few weeks will tell. At the very least, we should get a strong sense of the drift of events.
I’m hopeful. The storm of criticism against sceptics appears to be burning out. There’s an increasing mood that the restrictions have gone on long enough. There’s rioting on the Continent. We’ll see. I’ve been wrong before.
I am retired and financially ok, however I have been vehemently opposed to lockdowns since March.
This has nothing to do with my personal situation, more about the massive harm it does across the whole population.
I am of the opinion that lockdown affects everyone, maybe not to the same degree, but it does.
And as lockdowns don’t change the outcome I am against these.
I haven’t missed an hour of work since March, in fact my family’s businesses have done very well out of the pandemic (convenience stores) and yet like yourself, I am apoplectic at the continued socioeconomic vandalism being inflicted on the population by these fascist oppressors and their cheerleaders.
The problem is, too many people in this country only care about themselves. The continued support for lockdown even today is all the proof you need.
Plank of the Week?
Mike Graham was awful yesterday accepting everything that Dr Laurence Buckman chair of the BMJ GP’s committee was saying about the virus. He said that hospitals were overwhelmed with virus patients which is not true. Hospitals are in a chaotic state at the moment because of staff absences for one reason or another. Only 60% patients with virus at the moment either community or hospital acquired. This confirmed right by two family members who are doctors and a GP I know. Their advice, steer clear of hospitals at the moment because you will come out with the virus. If you can possibly be treated at home that is the best option.
And then talkRADIO has the endless propaganda adverts…Can you look…in the eye. Grrrrr!
I stopped listening to TalkRadio a few weeks ago now. I find the only to enjoy their content is to listen to bits and pieces on Youtube, but it could be much worse. I still listen to LBC for about 5-10 minutes in the morning, and almost every day it’s like listening to a circus of pointless discussions and ‘experts’ saying things like ‘we can see the lockdown is working now’ or ‘masks are proving to be quite effective in stopping transmission’ without any rebuttal or counterpoint by the presenter.
You’re better off spending your time listening to intelligent discussions and useful information. For example take any video with Nick Hudson from PANDA and you’ll be in a better mood by the end of it.
Absolutely. The other big “luxury” we have is that we are privileged to be living to old age! Even though many people have lifestyles that have given them heart disease/diabetes II/poor respiratory function/obesity etc.
These are the VAST majority of people being picked off by covid. In developing countries you either die younger or if you live to be older you are likely to be fit & healthy. So they simply don’t have a curve to flatten.
Well said. As I’ve always thought, these lockdownistas will be affected one way or another. Economic Armageddon for one – they won’t be able to escape that not with rising taxes or especially when their savings and pensions lose their value. Those in the public sector won’t be able to escape redundancy either, there will be a delayed reaction but you can bet that cuts will start to bite beginning this year.
Plus heaven forbid, when they or a loved one succumbs to an illness like cancer and their beloved NHS puts them at number 1,000,000 on the list and they won’t be seen until 2023!
That said when it comes to developing countries, the biggest cheerleaders for lockdown and restrictions aren’t just the pampered expats but even the well cushioned rich & middle class locals. On my Arsebook feed, I can’t find anyone from my original country who’s against lockdowns because they’re all either rich/middle class or are teachers who are still being paid even though schools are shut. I’ve had to cut off my family for the time being due to their holier than thou posts and the bullying of me and Mr Bart to stay at home and wear muzzles.
The only sceptic I know back home is that friend of mine who’s worried about the economic catastrophe that will befall the world and the harm lockdowns are doing to children (including hers).
Yes. A very important point. We are cushioned for some considerable time but not forever. The Paraguay article pointed this out. They simply had to abandon lockdown apart from for show purposes as the econony is simple and hand to mouth. They would have starved. South Africa and other African countries likewise. When we have pissed away our centuries accumulated riches and infrastructure we will have to join them. And China looks on and waits…
And too many bureaucrats, quangos and hangers on.
Current technology has made lockdown bearable. If so called non essential shops are shut you can buy online or use supermarkets as they now sell so many non food items. For instance, if your kettle broke, you can easily get in in a supermarket rather than an electrical shop. If people can’t meet family and friends they can use zoom or skype. If you don’t want to cook at home but can’t eat out, you can get a takeaway and there are apps available to do orders. Technology enables people to work from home which saves on commuting costs. If you are on furlough, you get 80% of your salary but no commuting costs. With so many businesses closed there are less places to spend your money. If you work from home, only shop online or at supermarkets, you don’t see the economic devestation of lockdown. When I go to my high street, I see closed shops.
Lockdowns are going to hit a lot of people eventually. How many people are prepared to tolerate never being able to travel abroad again. Sooner or later all of us are going to need medical care. How will people react when the health service will not treat them. A contraction in the private sector will hit the public sector. Someone pointed out in a previous post environmental health inspectors will have no work if pubs, restaurants and cafes are closed. The passport office will be hit if people can’t travel abroad.
These ‘scientists’ fucking about with doses, timings, mixing-and-matching vaccines remind me of this guy.
https://twitter.com/TheFastShow1/status/1093415438938185729?s=20
What sort of person is going to volunteer to take a mix of vaccines that are already experimental and which were never designed to be so mixed.
The science behind it amounts to no more than ‘let’s give it a bash and see what happens’.
Yep. Really shows how fanatical people have become about the jabs.
What sort of person? Look around you the next time you go to a supermarket or High street. The braindead are all around us wearing their masks in the car parks, driving their cars or walking in the street.
I am done with mankind.
Whatever bad happens, it fully deserves its fate.
Particularly Gens Y and Z.
This was exactly my view on it yesterday: This is tantamount to medical experimentation without informed consent.
Time for Nuremberg 2.0. Start a worldwide petition.
The science behind the vaccines is being ignored.Professor Dolores Cahill: Why People Will Start Dying A Few Months After The First mRNA Vaccination: https://brandnewtube.com/watch/sfK2lFUVeYySRqH
I wouldn’t say it’s science or fact, yet, but definetely a risk.
For some it might be worth taking, for most surely not.
It’s definetely reckless and irresponsible to suggest that and act like that risk doesn’t exist.
yes, and if you’re killed or injured on the way, jolly good job we thought about getting that civil immunity, wasn’t it!
PIC N MIX
It is bonkers. Have these people never heard of avoiding too many moving parts?
It’s like Mengele is running the show…
And all predicated on unfit for purpose PCR tests!
“It’s beautiful Dave!”
I love that character
The Oxford vaccine stories andvoutcomes remind me of how champagne was invented by Dom Perignon.
Only this time it’s done purposely and solely to put lipstick on a quite obvious pig.
The talk of zero-covid and the blinkered support for the vaccines is particularly alarming as to me it indicates a shocking lack of understanding of the living world. My working life was spent in agriculture and horticulture and my retirement sees me involved with conservation and wildlife work, one thing this has taught me is that anything living is more complex than you think and that whenever you think you have understood anything you probably have not!
Surely Witty and his team, as medical people, must know that SARS-Cov2 as a respiratory coronavirus is very different to smallpox and yellow fever. SARS-Cov2 is now part of the panoply of respiratory coronavirus which are part of living and breathing air and cannot be eliminated anymore than we have failed to eliminate flu and the common cold. It should be Witty who is calling out zero covid as a scientific/medical nonsense but I think he is too busy enjoying his time in the spotlight and is thus complicit in this nonsense, I am sure he sees a knighthood for himself in the next honours list and possibly an eventual seat in the Lords and for that he is prepared to sell his medical soul.
Lord Shitty of the Gulag.
Listening to Mellow Magic radio (yes I know – but sometimes you need something to take the pain away!) and on the news they announced that some expert had stated that you definitely can get a second infection of SARS-Cov2 but that the second time it was usually very mild (or mellow even)
And so SARS-Cov2 is settling down to be a common cold/flu respiratory virus that we can live with as we have always done. Good heavens what a surprise, who would have thought it?
Yes, we live with viruses. Viruses are part of nature, and aren’t the enemy. By encountering one coronavirus naturally it gives us some protection against the next. Our immune systems are incredibly complex systems, honed to near perfection by evolution and natural selection, and it is only by our interactions with viruses that we thrive.
Assuming that an experimental vaccine will guard us better against what is a relatively mild disease than our immune systems can, is indeed us in our arrogance, not respecting nature, and shows a complete lack of understanding of the natural world.
What Prof. Gupta said from the start: we only dealt with the flu seasons of the last century quite well, because our ancestors had to deal with and faced rather than run away from the Spanish flu.
More and more smart people are rediscovering the trolley problem recently and that we will most likely have made a gigantic and unethical mistake by having decided to move the
switch, for the first time ever.
On a related theme I’ve always liked the quote
we are the only animals clever enough to manufacture our own food, and stupid enough to eat it
We are the only animals clever enough to manufacture our own vaccines and stupid enough to use them unwisely.
What else are we meant to eat? Plants?
Agricultural has been one of the worst decimators of health for us hunter gatherers. Now, after C-19, meat will be weaponised and demonised. . . Gill Bates owns the most farmland in America so he’ll be ok
We appear to be unwilling test subjects to the biggest science experiment in history. Question; is it possible to eradicate a virus. Well we have a majority of the population stupid enough to follow every test we do. They will isolate, not travel, inject any old shit into their bodies, subject themselves to fucking awful PCR tests and believe the results, even though they are carried out in a tent outside tesco. They will wear masks, keep a distance apart, not meet up in groups, stay away from people they love, remove all social interaction in face to face mode and only talk on-line.
Right we have enough of the population on board let’s see how far can we go. Welcome to Europe, or Petri dish central as its now known. We are never getting out of this.
I think we have mostly willing (if duped) test subjects in the biggest science experiment in history, but it aint got nothing to do with eradicating any virus
It’s not an experiment, it’s a depopulation project.
Roger Koops pointed this out as one of the first, when he reviewed the mask nonsense for AIER.
All of this is basically just a rerun of Don Quijote’s fights.
Confrontation in the Bakers Shop yesterday
Old git asked my where my mask was
I immediately got aggressive and screamed ” Stand still, stand still, undercover covid marshall”
The OG threw his arms in the air
I flashed my ID and had him assume the position against the walk
” Name? ”
“I’m sorry, I’m sorry I didn’t know”
“Is you journey today essential?”
” Sorry, sorry I’m just shopping”
” I don’t know that do I? ”
“No Sir you don’t. Can I just say I think your all doing a wonderful job”
“Where are your papers?”
I relived him of his wallet, and told him not to move until I returned
It has been reported to me he was still there three hours later
When he went to the council office to get his wallet they were closed
Good bottle of red with my steak last night
I hope this story is true.
Of course, it is.
Story from the times.Government officials are working on a vaccine passport so people can go in holiday this year.
This had better not be remotely true. It will mean divorce for me. My husband would take anything that allowed him to go on holiday, even though he thinks it’s all complete bollocks. While I will be injected with an experimental vaccine over my dead body, and more to the point, never, ever allow my children to be vaccinated until I am satisfied that the risk benefit is worth it. Which is impossible until trials complete, at the very earliest.
They are illegal and cannot be enforced. You could make the same argument about all infectious diseases including diarrhoea or malaria. No symptoms, yet you are carrying the plague, ergo test-vaxx etc. Don’t give in to their demands to ingest genomic altering poisons when Merck has said that your immune system is far better than a vaxx and have stopped all CV vaxx efforts.
It doesn’t matter that they’re illegal…
The thugs and useful idiots will enforce them anyway… it’ll take a year of legal torment (if you even have the funds for lawyers) for right to prevail, by which time whatever it is you wanted to do (or not do) is a distant memory anyway. And even then, the chances of high court judges siding against the establishment are laughably remote..
Despite the bad or mixed publicity they had, Saga are still pushing their holiday adverts exclusively for people who have been vaccinated. It seems certain that in current law this is illegal discrimination, but Saga may have been given the nod to do this to promote the idea of vaccine passports in advance of legislation to impose them.
They’re pushing at an open door.
Try advertising vacancies only for those who have not had the jabs.
I wonder if Ebay might have something for sale ……
The population of the UK are the trial. If you take the EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGICAL AGENT for that is what it is. You become the guinea pig!
Unfortunately it will be the need to travel that will force myself and my wife to get vaccinated in the end, we have family in Uganda and Canada and in the end will risk the vaccine if it means getting to see them. Mind you by the time International Travel is again possible (if ever) maybe we will have some idea as to what is the safest vaccine option we can get away with. Or maybe we can find some IT wizz-kid in downtown Kampala who can do us a vaccine passport!
Traitor
It is a problem to know that even some who are against the vax in principle will take it in fact – and helps worsen things for the rest of us. We all need to hold out against this – not just some of us. Power in numbers.
I appreciate the point but in the end if it comes down to visiting our twin grandsons or refusing the vaccine? I am afraid the grandsons win. BUT there is a lot of water to go under the bridge before we get to that stage. Certainly I will first look into the possibility of fake/scam documentation. There is a big trade in fake yellow card vaccination certificates in Africa. Then of course at the moment there seems little prospect of any international travel!
At some point, everyone will have to decide whether they give in to the likely upcoming coercion and discrimination and whether if not doing so can still change something for the better.
A traditional vaccine should be OK to take medically by then if they decide to give in.
The Novavax one looks OK, but even the Chinese one is preferable to the current experimental gene therapies.
Unhelpful, dude.
We are all having – to some extent – to make unpleasant compromises in order to get on with our lives.
Sure, you can choose not to, but isn’t it Steve’s right to make his own choices where the don’t affect you?
Understandable. But how sad that you would be forced to potentially self harm in order to visit your family
That’s the thing. If the family really cares about the person then they will tell him not to have the vax and to wait until things are Normal again (even if that means years of waiting before one can fly without the “passport”) – rather than see them go against their conscience/go against the rest of us/risk their health.
If the family doesn’t really care – then the question as to why one would want to visit people with that attitude?
It’s all relative.
You will also probably own nothing anymore by then anyway, and NOT be happy about it.
Steve these “passports” will not be enforceable in international law so stick to your guns and don’t get the vaccine. For everyone like you who gives in you make it more and more difficult for the rest of us to stay out of the system they are trying to create – one where you get your vaccine update once a year. This is most likely the mark of the beast.
Steve might end up having to sue the airline for refusing to let him board, it won’t be Passport Control stopping him.
So he’s going to waste an airfare and blow £50k on lawyers to have a futile fight that in the end will only prove that this ‘international law’ on which you rely is a non-binding fantasy? Doesn’t sound very wise to me.
Defeatist – it’s people like you who make resistance so difficult.
You say defeatist, I say realist.
Why expend your energy on fights you cannot hope to win?
If you don’t pick your battles wisely, what chance do you have of winning the war?
Wait for the Novavax one if you can.
As in Denmark and Sweden then …
With regards to “can the government force you to be tested”. The 2020 act is based on the 1984 public health act. The 1984 Act allows for a person who is suspected to be infected with an infectious disease to be subject to certain processes and procedures forcibly, this is not arbitrary but requires a Justice of the Peace to authorise it. The 2020 act has no such requirement.
Don’t answer your door. Tell them to sod off.
I consider anything that requires objects to be inserted into my body to be a medical procedure. As such, I am entitlled to refuse to be subject to it.
Did anyone see the C4 drama It’s A Sin recently? I’d highly recommend it. One of the characters is detained under the 1984 Act for having HIV/AIDS and a lawyer gets him released. Would really like to learn more about the case law as I imagine it’s based on a real precedent.
The 1984 part of that is chilling….
Do you feel a major issue is that the bulk of the population accept nasty and draconian lockdown laws without question which wouldn’t be tolerated in other circumstances? For instance, it is accepted that only drivers who exceed the speed limit should be charged with speeding. Imagine if the government said there had been an increase in speeding and to deal with this problem it is decided to charge all vehicle licence holders with speeding through a fine and points on their licence. The government argues that if all drivers are not charged with speeding, the problem of speeding drivers will get worse, will cause accidents and put the emergency services under strain. This would be seen as grossly unfair collective punishment where all drivers are charged with speeding and branded as speeders regardless if they have exceeded the speed limit. The government doesn’t have to provide evidence drivers have been speeding.
My issue with lockdown is that the entire population are branded as disease carriers regardless whether or not this is true and punished for this. The entire population are put in quarantine and have to endure cruelties such as not being able to see family and friends. The government doesn’t have to provide any evidence people are disease carriers such as tests. Lockdown is a brutal collective punishment used against the whole population. Do you feel that many don’t question the ethics of punishing the whole population which is why the government can get away with lockdowns.
Fascism; dehumanise, demonise the human or your enemy. Makes it easier to kill/incarcerate.
CV 19 is the preparation for Doris’ Great Green Fascist Reset. You will be dehumanised as a parasite sucking Mommy Gaia’s blood, infecting her with your filth.
Of course it’s completely unethical. We are all guilty until proven innocent. But worse than that we have all been sent to prison without trial and we can only get out (only as a group and not individually) if we fulfil a set of arbitrary rules that are constantly changed, haven’t been told what they are or haven’t even been decided yet. We were not given a lawyer to defend us, quite the opposite. We were instead subjected to a 24 hour a day propaganda campaign run by state psychologists so that most of the population believed they were guilty and accepted the punishment without a trial even needed.
Brainwashing from early schooling, which conditions children into accepting collective punishment, as well social media, demanding (and getting) conformity, is at the root of this flock mentality of the masses.
Brainwashing is what school is for. That’s one of the reasons I’m far less concerned than some about schools remaining closed for the foreseeable.
yes, I understand where you’re coming from, [my own children were home educated for a while- it was already appalling 20 years ago] but these children whose schools are being closed are not going into some home education paradise,instead they are being wired up to a screen 24/7, junk food on tap, locked up, while their parents struggle to somehow earn a living, or not to tear their hair out – I’m afraid it is child abuse, nothing less – state sponsored child abuse
Good for you bully boy. And school is also vital in picking up child protection issues. Self absorbed comment coming thick and fast today. For nuking china too now too? Impressive.
Bully boy? LOL
Good points, but bully boy, no evidence for that.
the problem is that people have no understanding of any concept of freedom, they don’t value it, and don’t realise that life without it is nothing, a worthless, living death. They have it ass about tit: the idea is not that the government ‘allows’ us things, it is rather that we allow the government to encroach on our freedom, our fundamental, inviolable freedom, which is ours by birthright, by a laborious process known as the rule of law: we accept a limited range of clearly defined prohibitions, such as laws against rape, murder, theft, assault, and an even narrower range of coercions, such as paying taxes. [and these encroachments, unlike freedom itself, are by nature provisional, negotiable, temporary] A free human being has dignity and stature; the opposite is a slave, which has none, which can scarely be called human at all, but is a chattel for his master to dispose of as he wishes. I don’t know how people who claim to be appalled at the slave trade can fail to grasp this, or apparently not have any sense or feeling for what it means not to be a slave.
This ‘digital vaccine record’ was the game all along:
https://id2020.org/
This is how it will eventually transmogrify so that it doesn’t get ‘lost’:
https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218
Imagine having the foresight in 2019 to realise that a rapidly mutating virus would require a regular vaccination to enable foreign travel and to access public facilities.
No prizes for guessing who funds each of these initiatives.
“regular vaccination” – should be “regular software update” because these guys are injecting you with mRNA gene therapies, and the companies refer to them as “software of life”
They won’t be injecting me.
Nor me – this is most likely the Mark of the beast.
Sure seems like it.
Of course it was. I saw what was going on last March. This has nothing to do with our health, it was always about climate change and making us change our lifestyles. Its so blatant now!
Germany are going to be bringing in the digital passport ID2020
https://geopolitic.org/2021/02/03/implanted-vaccine-package-id-germanys-parliament-has-ratified-gavis-digital-agenda-id2020/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Our chance to avoid all this was sometime ago when we all could have switched from using Microsoft products. If only we could have known that by using windows we were funding Bill Gates plans to control every human on the planet. You see there all the others involved in this control agenda – how do we stop funding them?
Been using Linux since 2005
Not my fault
Yeah I switched to Linux in 2018 – haven’t looked back since. I was always opposed to Win8 and Win10, so transitioned straight from 7 to Mint. I know it’s not a ‘hard man Linux’ like other distros, but I absolutely love working on Mint.
I had planned to shift to Linux after 8.1, but unfortunately I have to use the computer for work, and ended up with a windows 10 pc. At some point I’m going to try Linux and see how I get on with it.
I am really getting to like Linux. The only reason I still use WIn 7 on this PC is for gaming and not because I can’t do just about all the games I play under steam on Linux. It’s works well, it’s just multiplayer stuff that needs a Windows client. For all the other stuff Ubuntu is amazing. I can get any kind of software to do anything I want to do. Linux is also great for older hardware, much lighter to run than Win10. It’s very reliable too.
And much more secure than Windoze.
Not anyone’s fault, Crystal Decanter, just that we can see now that we were funding a dangerous man like Gates who has an agenda.
I’ve been watching The Expanse recently, a sci-fi show set some hundreds or more years in the future. Although Earth is not part of the main story, the world building is quite rich. Earth is depicted as having an entire underclass of people living on something called ‘Basic’, where housing and food is provided to those without work because unemployment is rife. There is also this government messaging about ‘getting registered’ because apparently undocumented individuals (aka off the grid) still persist in that future. It looks like we sceptics are going to be the ‘undocumented’ of that future.
He has transposed the Microsoft business model to public health.Every year our operating systems will have to be updated with anti virus software.
Immune system/ vaccine.
Another first class edition of LS today. No hint of appeasement.
But still no coverage of the fact that the First Minister of Wales says delivering election leaflets is not consistent with the lockdown. Presumably this means that all political leaflet delivering by volunteers is now illegal in Wales.
They can’t have it all ways either delivering leaflets are illegal or they are not.
Volunteers delivering leaflets is what Dripford was pronouncing upon. He says parties and candidate should pay for such leaflets to be delivered by delivery companies. Of course, Labour and the Tories can afford this – smaller parties can’t.
They are afraid of lockdown sceptics distributing their leaflets instead…
Oooh.., I like this.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1357420746155302917
Great stuff. Thank you for posting.
I wouldn’t have served the police either. All we have to do is back each other up whenever you see anything like this. The police need to know there will be consequences!
Super!
The Plod dumb as door knobs. Enjoying their unlimited tyranny. Feel powerful and important. Good that some people educated the idiot. Time to end this. Now.
Quick question in response:
Has the law changed? The original SI stated that shop workers and those going about the business of running things didn’t have to wear a mask.
Also, the £10k fine is nonsense too, isn’t it?
The fact that the police don’t know the ins and outs of this scam is one thing. But the fact they don’t know the law is eminently worse.
Brilliant.
excellent – the police are brainless, aggressive thugs in uniform. I used to respect them but not any more, wouldn’t trust them an inch.
Plod scum.
Plod should be referred to by their other well known handle, the filth.
“There are people dying”, I would quite happily add to that number if someone said that to me. Maybe they are unaware that there has always been people dying, thick twat he was. I have a deep hatred for people who love a bit of power and wield it about like a badge of honour. Maybe that cop should think about losing some weight if he is so worried about the rona.
It’s basically the same as this old chestnut:
The masks are so important to them that the policeman in the background stands there with his one under his nose…
It just proves that one in four police cuntstables are just as thick and stupid as the other three.
A policeman walks into a bookshop and says, “Can I have a book please.”
Would you like a book for Christmas? – No thanks, I have one already.
Covid dashboard link ATL is a good link – however the data is wrong. Average flu deaths in the UK past 5 years must include flu, pneumonia and respiratory deaths. This is after all what a flu virus is and the cause of death. When you add those 3 together you have a trebling of their data and this is important when graphing CV deaths (1/2 at least have nothing to do with CV) to flu-resp-pneum.
2017: 87 K
2018: 91 K
2019: 85 K
2020: 65 K
At least 25 K of the CV dead last year is from flu etc.
I’ll add this
Brilliant!
Brilliant!
1970
‘Komsomol at first used its travel agency Sputnik in an attempt to strengthen the relations with youth organizations in other Eastern Bloc countries, and how, having failed in this, turned to exploit tourism for earning hard currency and rewarding party members……..the Soviet attempt to use the camp for promoting a positive image of socialist progress in the USSR collided with the perception of foreign visitors. The Soviet failure to understand the negative reactions of foreign visitors solidified the perception of the USSR as a fossilized and stereotyped society.’
https://www.hsozkult.de/conferencereport/id/tagungsberichte-7287
2021
‘The NHS England state health authority used its think tank agency SAGE in an attempt to strengthen the relations with public sector workers in other industrial sectors…….the state broadcaster’s failure to understand the negative reactions of the diminished private sector solidified the perception of the DSSUK (Democratic Socialist State of the UK) as a fossilized and stereotyped society’
I can see how a lot of this government’s policies might appeal to a certain sector of the British population……but that sector is not the one that voted them into power and, typically, never votes Conservative. That is why the opposition consistently outflanks the government in insisting on tougher restrictions. This is not a battle that the Conservative (Socialist Workers) party can ever win.
So who do they really think will vote for them now?
they don’t need to worry about that. by 2024, most of us will either be dead or in the gulag
Super Thursday (06 May) local, London and Scottish elections approach and there can be no wriggling out of it:
‘Last week, Nicola Sturgeon said she could see “no reason” why the Scottish Parliamentary elections – under the control of Holyrood – “at this stage” should not go ahead as planned for May.
The First Minister pointed out that there had been “elections in many other countries over the course of the pandemic”.’
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19007732.government-officials-discussed-uk-nations-jumping-together-push-may-polls-back-month/
‘England confides that every man will do their duty’
‘Engage the enemy more closely’
‘Super Thursday’? Please….
Zahawi is reported here as saying no lockdown lifting until everyone over the age of fifty has been vaccinated. I guess you’ll have to blame me for the lockdown this Christmas. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/uk-vaccine-minister-all-over-age-50-must-be-vaccinated-lockdown-lift-begins
They will have to kill me first
Plenty of Spartacuses (Spartaci?) will stand with you
I’m sure he must mean everybody over the age of 50 has been offered the experimental vaccine?
By turning it down you are therefore doing your public duty to speed up the lifting of the lockdown, as there will be less over 50s to experimentally vaccinate.
I shall make the same sacrifice as you, by turning down the experimental vaccine.
Zahawi strikes me as the sort o f guy who thinks the Nuremburg Code is quaint and old fashioned.
Along with silly outdated notions like freedom, justice, courage, honesty, tolerance, compassion…
Zahawi is from an alien culture with a set of beliefs that are inimical to British common law and our traditional liberties. What else did you expect?
Tells you all you need to know about this little shit
In 1991, Zahawi and fellow Kurd Broosk Saib were aides to Jeffrey Archer during Archer’s controversial “Simple Truth” campaign to help Kurdish victims of the Gulf War. Zahawi and Saib were nicknamed “Lemon kurd” and “Bean kurd” by Archer.[4
one thousand upticks Cecil
During the time he was on the Foreign Affairs Select Committee he was also chairman of the secretive trans-Atlantic group Le Cercle but did not declare his membership.[17] In 2019 a member of his staff was listed as an administor of Le Cercle in the Parliamentary Register of interests.[18]
In January 2016 and as one of 72 MPs who were themselves landlords who derived an income from a property, Zahawai voted down an amendment in Parliament requiring rental homes be “fit for human habitation”.[19]
I wondered exactly how to interpret that phrase. Should I interpret it as being “all over 50s have been offered the vax” or “All over 50s will have the vax”? I interpreted it as meaning = all over 50s to have been offered the vax and hope that is the correct interpretation. As we know, after all, the vast majority of those in the currently vaxxed agegroups have had the vax one way or another – thus the question for them is as to whether they had it voluntarily or were they forcibly shoved into it by uncaring care homes or relatives? So chances are that the younger age groups (ie 50-69) will also show the majority of them choosing to have it voluntarily (as opposed to being pressganged into it or deciding against it). Surely the vast majority having been done = we can all be let loose again (including those of us not “done”).
Wouldn’t get your hopes up, reported in the Times yesterday, comment by Nadhim Zahawi who said that anyone who hasn’t taken up the offer of a vaccine could get a knock on the door from council staff to “persuade” them to have it. He told MPs that he wanted to use local authorities to find those who had refused the jab and determine what might then convince them.
Oh no council staff!! Doris from accounts who has been WFH for a year will realise none of her work clothes fit her anymore but will be knocking on your door in her track suit (very stretchy) to ask if you have any biscuits and ooh what was it, oh yes could you go and have your jab?
If Doris from accounts is a member of a professional accountancy body, I will be reminding her that when the SHTF, I will be lodging a complaint of professional misconduct against her with her professional body.
hahaha! How about council staff get on with what I am paying them to do and fix a few potholes and pick up the litter in the verges?
All your fault, Londo.
“As I look at you, Ambasador Mollari, I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sound; the sounds of billions of people calling your name.”
“My followers?”
“Your victims.”
Are they vaccinating all the people who have been ill and recovered from covid? Er why? If the job of the vaccine is to reduce the symptoms and give you immunity surely having had the disease does exactly the same thing?
Also what are the triggers for freedom? If having all the over fifties “safe” means we can release the population does this not imply everyone under fifty is not at risk? So why can’t they be released now? Why are schools, colleges and universities shut down? Surely they cannot be at risk?
They are welcome to stick it in my arm. But they will have to cut it off first.
Our homes are prisons. The hospitals are prisons. The hotels are prisons. The care homes are prisons. The country is a prison
Soon we will all be murdered if we don’t do anything
Keith C*ntabout articulates it well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRb2jE9PKhw
Never mind that spiv wanker Toby Young getting into the House of Lords.
Andrew Lawrence should be a mile ahead of him in the queue. He’s been an absolute superstar throughout this horror show.
If he is a “spiv wanker”, why are you frequenting his site?
For the charming, intelligent people below the line, of course.
You begin with the BBC – was there nobody less reliable available? It talks about ‘coronavirus hotspots’. There is no such thing as Coronavirus, it is a term covering many viruses. If you mean SARS-CoV-2, then there are no hotspots as the tests being used (PCR) are not fit for purpose.
I’m still surprised the BBC actually refutes that there was a Christmas surge. If anything, they’d be the first outlet to push the idea. Things are… looking up? Or a sideways glance maybe?
Nah, probably not.
And could the “hotspots” have anything to do with your moonshit mass testing to squash the virus?
Meanwhile rubber dinghies are welcome and your stay won’t cost you anything.
Come in on your lilo, no need to lilo.
There are even prizes for the ones making it to the UK shores!
And?
Ignore the working class poor
Come on in on a floating door
Work zoom meeting yesterday which degenerated into chit chat about vaccines. Lots of whooping about how we’re on schedule and the millenials squealing about looking forward to their dose.
As they were all so positive I didn’t want to ruin their illusions by asking about the following:
And note its the millenials who seem to be taken with this vaccine as the magic bullet idea. Shows what a roaring success Blair’s educational policies were (sarcasm).
As always discuss.
I think if it had been me I’d have asked those questions, would have been amusing to watch their faces and reactions.
It’s not just the millienals who are keen on being jabbed, most of the people on Facebook keep happily declaring they’ve had the jab or it’s been booked in and how wonderful it is.
Makes me despair to be honest.
Saw that on Arsebook. To this day I don’t know of anyone who has had the virus but I know of people who have had the jab. Why?
And marking it as a badge of honour was desperately sad frankly.
I was at an online meeting yesterday of a committee I’m a member of. No mention of coviebollocks, but in previous emails the secretary of the group (50ish) has hailed the introduction of the “vaccine” and said that his parents have both received it. We lockdown sceptics sometimes play the “medical confidentiality” card (quite rightly) in relation to strangers asking us about mask exemption, so I think it’s unethical for somebody to pass on medical information about others. On this site I might mention medical information about people of my acquaintance, but not in such a way that they could be identified. However those who regard being vaccinated as something to shout from the rooftops can’t complain if others also pass on the information.
Any smokers amongst your colleagues? Ask them to inhale, put on their mask and then exhale. Proof masks don’t work, millenials!
None sadly. But loads of social drinkers.
Our call a couple of weeks ago degenerated in to just such talk. All hope on the vaccine.
I killed that dead by asking why would you want to take a vaccine with a 60% chance of prevention when you have an immune system that offers 99.8% chance of protection?
Erm…. although I think it may have flushed out a sceptic or two…
I’ve tried pushing very gently in the sceptic direction on these calls, and quickly realised that it’s utterly futile. It’s just another reminder that your colleagues are not your friends, and never the twain should meet.
The reason why I kept quiet this time was because the last time I asked roughly the same questions, it didn’t go down well.
Many of my colleagues don’t like hearing stuff that they don’t agree with. They were the same with Brexit and Trump plus they’re rabid lockdowistas. Even the threat of redundancy never woke these people up.
Make sure you mute and close your camera before having a danger wank on the other laptop.
Well, the more people thera are who take the vaccine sooner, the earlier we will find out what the effects are.
True. It will be interesting how many of my millenial colleagues will be desperate enough for the jab then have a rude awakening of its side effects.
People are even given a sticker when they’ve had the vaccine. Sadly I’m only one of two people in my workplace who’ve refused the deadly injection.
Have no idea who else in my work has refused the vaccine apart from me but thankfully its not mandated at my workplace.
and they still won’t get their 2 weeks in spain this summer, or indeed next summer at this rate without jumping through hoops and imprisoned on return!
Exactly. And its not as if we can breathe easy either as more redundancies could still be in the cards if we don’t go back to the Old Normal.
Why are you so eager to get a vaccine for something that has a 99.98% survival rate and that there’s a 99.9% that you won’t get it but where the side effects could be for life that threatens your chance to be in employment and live your life? – DOH!!!
If antibody dependent enhancement occurs when a vaccinated person encounters a mutated version of the virus then Bells Palsy, infertility and narcolepsy will be the least of their worries. Having stronger immune systems will mean it will be worse in the young and the death toll could be horrendous.
Good point. It will become like an addiction where their immune systems are so compromised that they will need booster shots every year because their bodies won’t be able to fight off even a simple cold.
The Toby Young bit about his privileged Oxbridge chums is sickening
Especially when it’s back to back with pieces about some of the most egregious infringements of our personal freedoms that have ever been seen in Britain.
I have said here repeatedly, that Toby is far too interested in keeping ‘his betters’ onside. to truly commit to this or any other anti-establishment cause.
So far, so good for the government. Public is seemingly behind even harder restrictions, newspapers love it opposition in the Parliament, well, it does not exist. Money is no issue, no one is challenging contradictory statements, I don’t think anyone remembers them anyway, so much is thrown around every minute.the best tactic seem to be just to ignore and why not if no one is really challenging? But every stick got two ends, while managing by fear is like addiction, at some point they will be faced with a wall – if we are doing great why so many deaths, record cases? How to sell it as a success? You can’t have both, highest numbers and biggest win. Also it clearly shows that boundaries are important and when no obstacles to think around it makes poor art.
The paid bots, maybe, no one else is behind harsher restrictions.
A comforting conceit no doubt, but almost certainly wrong.
Plenty are behind Harsher restrictions you are deluded
Good morning Polonium. I enjoyed your post.
You express very concisely the sense of hopeless entrapment that I feel in relation to the irrational and destructive policies that continue to rob me of most of the things that make my life meaningful. Almost everyone I speak to is deeply frightened: healthy people in their 30s and 40s and 50s, truly believing that if they gave me a hug or came to my house or invited me into theirs, they would be likely to die as a result. They are addicted to the fear; politicians, police, the media etc are addicted, as you say, to managing by fear. So, it encourages me that you point out that the fear-technique is unsustainable: ‘they will be faced with a wall.’
But most of all I like your final sentence: ‘boundaries are important and when no obstacles to think around it makes poor art.’ Lovely.
Indeed some extremely bad artists are hogging the paintbox.
Thank You for your kind words, I just hunt for any ray of hope I can find and decided that I’m not going to be drawn into apathy and depression, that would be what overlords want and I refuse.
CDC Admits To 329 Recorded Deaths So Far From COVID MRNA Jabs
https://principia-scientific.com/cdc-admits-to-329-recorded-deaths-so-far-from-covid-mrna-jabs/
Worth a read.
This is not an influenza vaccine.10 times deadlier.The concern is what described as lifethreatening 272 which I assume is anaphylaxis reacton needing urgent treatment.That is at least 10 times more anaphylaxis than flu vaccine probaly even more. The main concern is the risk of ITP idiopathic trombocytopen purpura which is autoimmune reaction probaly more common in younger.The Florida physician died of a fulminant ITP after vaccine Pfizer. Let us hope we won’t see an epidemic of ITP in half -one years time in younger persons.
Oh bollocks just when I think I have a good idea of medical talk you throw 6 new words I have to go and look up.
Wonder how many people died OF Covvie during same time period.
I won’t re post it here but if you want to know what sort of a bum Zahawi is visit his Wikipedia page
I did so yesterday and posted some excerpts from his profile here. What surprised me was th bannerhead warning on the profile:
This article may lend undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, or controversies.
Something that I have never seen before. If you do as Cecil suggests, and I highly recommend that you do , you will see why that warning is there .
On the basis of the information provided publicly by Wiki and substantiated in the references, a less honourable member of parliament, and of Govt , it would be difficult find – in my opinion , (which might be prejudiced of course.).
Am I right in thinking that he has set up a company dealing in medical equipment?
https://www.stratford-herald.com/news/new-family-company-is-legitimate-says-mp-nadhim-zahawi-9147529/
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/captain-tom-delightful-man-and-propaganda-tool/ Interesting article by James Delingpole
,Hotel Quarantine sounds like another revenue pot filler, but take a dinghy ride and you get free accomodation and in a holiday camp now, not the ‘not suitable’ army barracks that are now burnt out shells.
That piece by Toby made me want to vomit in my coco pops. What a fucking spiv.
This term spiv, is it from a particular historical epoch?
Early C20th, surely? Mostly known nowadays from its use in Dad’s Army for the wide boy character, I think.
I had my first taste of trouble for not wearing a mask last night, although I wasn’t there.
Having shopped at M&S I return my car, when a Liverpudlian chap tapped on my window. “Thought you might like to know an old dear had a go about you as you left” he said. Apparently she announced it was “idiots like that who are CAUSING the virus” the gent who was also unmuzzled but wearing a lanyard went to my defence and pointed out she didn’t know if I had, for example breathing problem. Granny replied that he was “EXCUSED” as he had a lanyard, to which he retorted he’d got it off the internet for 50p! Granny shuffled off muttering it was still my fault as I didn’t have a lanyard.
Which I’d seen it, thank goodness for scousers everywhere!
A surprise person defended me the other day too. I went into Tesco and the bloke on the door asked me if I had a mask, to which I replied ‘I’m exempt’. There was no problem, but to my surprise a lady turned to the security bloke and said to him quite angrily, ‘what do you want him to do, wear a big bloody badge?!’
If that happened to me, I’d buy the woman a bunch of flowers (handily placed by the entrance at Waitrose).
Which goes to show that there’s no zombie like an old zombie.
Quite literally the Nazi grannies of our times. The old witch came down from her tower to procure the breaded fish of Marks and Spencer. She witnessed the great unwashed, amongst them was one un-muzzled riff raff. Ah-hah! It was the much talked about covid denier, the super spreader – those that Piers Morgan keeps talking about! Point and scowl. I spit my last breath, at thee!
KHAN!! Oh I am going to have to dig this out to watch this again. What a great film. Try not to cry at Spocks funeral this time!
Yes. You can hear the catch in Jim Kirk’s voice as he says “…he [Spock] was the most human...”
Time to put Boris and all the others on trial? https://www.rt.com/op-ed/514625-uk-coronavirus-political-leaders/
Traffic tailback of 6 miles near Coleshill (M5/6).
LOCKDOWN, WHAT LOCKDOWN????
Well, the traffic wasn’t going anywhere and so the people in the cars were Staying Safe.
Scientists Have Created Coronavirus That Escapes Antibodies~ Lab Just Made a More Dangerous COVID Virus ~
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/05/serial-passage-coronavirus-variant.aspx
It seems zero covid is the future for UK reading today’s headlines. Hotel quarantine and now door to door search for the evil virus .Perhaps they can follow China’s steps in full. Below you have a recalcitrant elderly Chinese not wanting a PCR test.
https://twitter.com/mikhail86439176/status/1357295512999895041
Is there a ‘welded in’ option. Think I prefer that
Weld THEM in you mean!
That is horrible – where is the respect?!
If only we had the right to bear arms. I think I’d install pop-up defence turrets.
Just had a covid zealot call me a cult member, oh the irony and saying most excess deaths since ww2. Now what were the lies and manipulation behind those ww2 stats? I just want one more go to disprove his argument. I know I have no chance but I really want to debunk his argument
Ask them if they are talking about age adjusted statistics. They won’t even know what that means.
Save your blood pressure and don’t bother. You’re dealing with an imbecile – the sort that will always drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Yes, my go to is to tell them to turn off the news and advise them that they have never been more wrong about anything in all their life.. That usually sparks their attention.
Until their phone goes ping to tell them there’s a pokemon nearby.
True this. It’s virtually impossible to beat someone who’s incredibly dense in an argument.
Has he got a job/pension tha’ts the usual kicker?
COVID hysteria is a privilege of the West. Does he not care about brown babies dieing in Africa due to the lockdowns?
I bet the local war memorial has more names on then the local covid stats
Doubleplusgood duckspeaker..
If they’re totally brainwashed it’s not worth the effort. Just be unbelievably rude, it’ll make you feel better and they are effectively dead already. I have to deal with close family members whose mental health declines week after week. I have NO time for these people. Cowards all.
You can’t fix stupid. Best to laugh at them. Manically.
If they would have bothered reading the story and not just the headline in the DM they would have read that this did not actually factually corroborate the headline. The do know a few million people have been born since the war?
This info might help. If you click on the table itself it opens to show the whole 20 year period in question, up to and including 2020.
https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105575628782940741
Run the hares
Today children we will be looking through the square window
Today it’s a fairy story about the economy bouncing back and how we are all going to get rich quick
It’s all going to be done by magic, magic money, magic shops, magic pubs, magic holidays and magic vaccines
Marcus will be serving lunch at twelve
Enjoy
Canada has also been doing hotel quarantine, much to the dismay of outlets like Rebel News. Worth checking out their videos on Youtube.
Lockdown is forever!
For the sheep and collaborators:YES.
As for the rest of us:WATCH THIS SPACE!!!
I’d like to believe you but they are too determined to keep it on. It started with the PCR fraud, it continued with lockdonw 1, 2, 3, moving goalposts on a weekly basis, implementing hotel quaratine (and this is not for the next few weeks until 8 March) and the vaxx passport coming soon (again, not for a few weeks/months period) These are all preparations for long term. There is no end in sight for furloughing. They succeeded in destroying the economy and their actions killed people (which couldn’t access health services). Who will stop them! And I mean stopping them physically, removing them office and put them in jail for life! No, I don’t think it will happen!
A good update today. I see a few common strands.
1) PCR is a fraud. The eurosurveillance response to McKernans team not to retract the Dorsten paper on PCR protocol was as bad as the government’s approach to the WHO guidance printed ATL. They maybe don’t know how it works and certaiy don’t care. The labs will be the fall guys if an enquiry is ever conducted, plausible deniability is baked in. The labs can continue to flog the golden goose and if they are ever held to account it’ll be well into the long grass. As for Mckernan, they got a similar response. Eurosurveillance asked a few labs and they all said everything is hunky dory. Science is dead folks.
What is needed is a legal challenge for in individual tested to demand their CT details. This could then be expanded to an audit level of CTs to understand exactly how many people and their contacts have been locked down at 30+ CTs. Seems obvious to me its required, but then I’m a conspiracy realist.
The fact that lateral flow is being used more now will help the culprits of this fraud distance themselves quietly. All of this is getting memory holed.
2) Quarantine Hotels will be adapted to take people away from their homes to isolate, I’ve no doubt. This is getting truly frightening. Dark clouds above.
3) The article from the legal expert on the CV Act does not mention that the government have largely been using the 1984 Health Act not the CV to enact their policies. See Lord Sumption. The reason is to avoid parliamentary scrutiny. Strange he missed this key point.
Well Canada has now banned cruise ships from its waters until February 2022, must be a sign that things are getting back to normal soon!
https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2021/02/government-of-canada-announces-one-year-ban-for-pleasure-craft-and-cruise-vessels.html
Because Covid thrives on cruise ships, as proved by the Diamond Princess.
Well, I was going to do some benign DIY this weekend, but instead I’m now giving serious thought to fortifying my home and concealing defensive measures in my car.
This is not going in a positive direction.
What a lovely world Johnson and his Junta have made for us where we have to defend our rights from our own government.
Did CDC Deliberately Mislead Public on Allergic Reactions to Moderna Vaccine?~ The CDC had more accurate and up-to-date data that it could have used to calculate the rate of severe allergic reactions to Moderna’s COVID vaccine — why didn’t it? ~
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is using a passive surveillance system to monitor for vaccine injury during the aggressive covid-19 vaccine rollout. According to previous CDC studies, this passive surveillance system, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, (VAERS) captures fewer than 1 percent of vaccine injuries. To make matters worse, these serious injuries are reported weeks, and many times, months after the vaccine injury occurred. The data coming in to the CDC is not current. The CDC using this passive surveillance system to minimize the relevance of vaccine injury, and to promote vaccine injury as a rare occurrence. In this way, the CDC is manipulating the data to make vaccine injury seem minuscule compared to complications from a naturally-acquired infection.
The reporting sensitivities of two passive surveillance systems for vaccine adverse events.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1615747/
Can we start an Amish community???
Yes please. Have you anywhere in mind?
Absolutely no idea how this is done, but i’d live out in the sticks to live in sanity and the longer this goes on I am considering how to make it a reality.
You and me both.
me too – i was browsing properties in mid wales – you get a lot for your money and isolation from all the morons – i won’t say ‘sheep’ as there are lots of nice fluffy sheep in wales and they are more intelligent than the human kind!
Problem with Wales is the ASSembly
Mostly tethered to the big cities.
I anticipate a number of logistical and organisational difficulties, unless you can give us a crash course in smoke signals and carriage driving.
Haha I don’t think I could go full Amish…
Somewhere in Cornwall to get away from the Covidian cult
Follow the lead from the Muslims – find an area and take over
It works
The thought has entered my mind on starting a hippy style commune.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0205/1195191-coronavirus-ireland/
Headline: People with Covid symptoms urged to contact GP immediately
“Case” numbers in Ireland are falling so the Establishment needs to find new sources to keep the fear going.
So the wee witch is part of the zero covid cult. Heaven help us. Scotland is not an island, we have the shittiest, wettest, windiest weather. We may grow some soft fruits and potatoes and our beef and lamb is excellent but I very much doubt it’s enough to sustain nearly 6 million of us.
Most of the farming land in my area is taken over by sheep in the winter. We no longer grow the vegetables that was grown here in my childhood.
Cut Scotland off from the rest of the UK and imprison the Scots in Scotland because that’s the only way she’s getting zero covid and I question that. Forever, because it will have to be forever. The video of the isle of man and what looks like freedom is not freedom not by the term freedom in the 21st century. How long before the novelty of being ‘allowed’ to mix wears off and the people want/need to leave the island? Are they going to be forced to quarantine for the rest of eternity? I may not be a scientist but is trying to contain and control a virus not the same as trying to control the weather?
Any recommendations on areas in England that my husband and I can move to that’s cheap in England would be ever so helpful.
How is Scotland’s border with England going to be secured?
Hell knows but I’m crossing into England before its shut, I can see a few Scots invading England just to leave that we Harridan behind.
To the best of my understanding, SARS-Cov2 virus is now just one of the panoply of viruses that give rise to respiratory diseases, which decline in the summer and reappear in the autumn. We can no more eliminate SARS-Cov2 than we can eliminate any of the numerous viruses that give rise to colds and flu. Learning to live with these viruses has been one of the trade offs we had in becoming land mammals and breathing air rather than living in the sea.
As someone far more emminant than me has said SARS-Cov2 is settling down to becoming just another irksome respiratory virus.
Sturgeon can no more eliminate SARS-Cov2 than she can walk on water, indeed perhaps someone should suggest to her that she demonstrates her ability to walk across Loch Ness to prove that she is invincible and the supreme authority on everything.
Nooooo it might make Nessie ill having that toxic bitch walk in the water!
who’s going to tell the people of northumberland north of Wallsend that they will be scottish?
At least let me through first. I’ll help build it and keep her and her ilk out.
ZeroCovid = ZeroCarbon?
If this is being planned and enacted we are truely screwed, our lives as we knew them are over.
The elites that run this world have presented themselves. They are pushing and pushing and unless people wake up on mass they are not retreating. Even Sweden are touted to be one of the first to receive dystopian hell in the form of vac passports.
Has the penny not dropped yet? There are no ifs or buts. Life as we knew it IS truly over.
It’s time to adapt or die, I’m afraid.
I certainly do think that this situation is now being used a trojan horse by some groups to usher in ‘zero carbon’ policies which, if presented honestly to the public in 2019, would have been totally unpalatable. However, add the fear of covid and future ‘pandemics’ into the mix, tell people it’s about health, and all of a sudden there’s a chance they might just go along with it. They could never succeed in introducing such policies if they were honest about their intentions and the implications.
No internal combustion engine after 2030.No gas boilers in new homes.Saudi Arabia of wind power.Theresa May signed it into law that we will be zero carbon by 2040.
These lunatics are going to destroy life in this country.What do you think the control grid they are building now is for.
Useful connection, thanks. I’d already noted the thematic similarities but now also the terminology.
ATL has been much better the last 2 days, even if today’s did close with an attempt to give me an aneurysm.
Save the Earth!!!!
Over 1.5 Billion MASKS to Pollute Ocean This Year
https://www.breitbart.com/science/2020/12/29/report-over-1-5-billion-masks-to-pollute-ocean-this-year/
It was this long before somebody noticed???
I hope David bloody Covid-worshipping bloody maskoid bloody Attenborough has seen this.
Good
The Gretatarians are going to finally have to suck up the current year palpable cost to their ideology
Rather than manbearpig in the future
Funny how the greens have fallen silent over face masks and sanitisers polluting the environment and that they’re far worse than the single use plastics and coffee cups that they had spent the last few years demonising.
Also odd is how they’re silent on littering. Everytime I raise this with friends who consider themselves “green” they always fall silent as if they have nothing to say.
While the article is spot on, it destroys its argument by recommending cloth muzzles as not only are they bad for human health but also for the environment.
Pretty soon enough to be seen from space itself. Save the planet by paving it in masks.
I see an ever increasing amount of PPE discarded when I walk around my local area. Masks being the most common, with most of them being the blue plastic ones that you cannot recycle.
So, can we cut to the damned chase and get on with nuking China now?
Why?
Do you think the whole purpose of this State of Emergency is to prepare us for war with China or Russia?
So you want total war do you? Maybe it’s for the best …
Advocating war of aggression is a war crime and crime against humanity.
Says who?
My hunch is that the invasion of Taiwan is imminent.
Apologies if this has been shared already:
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgxLDVobaSGvUU-QUo14AaABCQ
YT comment with reference to Dido Harding of Track and Trace fame
re deaths in hospital Scotland. I clicked on the FOI link to an excel page but there were no figures for 2020. Any idea where the 2020 figure came from?
The justification for actions taken throughout all this have been along the lines of other countries are doing it.
So in order to force through something like vaccine passports all they need is one country to introduce them then they can all start the “other countries are doing it” argument.
Sweden and Denmark are on their way …
The other counties argument would only be relevant in terms of travel to the countries that demanded proof of vaccination for entry.
It’s usually suggested in many zombie films that they came about due to some sort of virus.
One of the favoured tactics to combat the virus is to isolate the area and simply nuke it from a distance.
Now I don’t want to overly worry people but Matt Hancock gets his ideas from films.
Haha!
The Simpsons movie says it all.
So said Professor Whitty on the 3rd I think it was. Four weeks after the lockdown – implying …..?
This is slight of hand work. Hospital admissions had been on the declining since the 9th, January. He could have said it earlier – but this would have suggested something very different.
I genuinely don’t understand why Heneghan etc are not suing for defamation. The prospect of paying enormous damages might stop people like O’Brien in their tracks.
One of the first things the Tories did when they got power in 2010 was make it nigh on impopssible for the common man to get recourse in law.
I suspect by ignoring that loser they’re giving him enough rope to hang himself.
O’Brien has exposed himself on his Twitter account that he’s ignorant, unable to listen to other people’s point of view, petulant, rude and Uriah Heep in the flesh. Heneghan, et al don’t have to do anything as O’Brien is already humiliating himself.
Zero Covid = communism.
The lack of care for liberty is probably due to generations of the UK haven’t had it threatened before. If these actions were taken at the point of a gun surely we’d be up in arms.
The pen is truly mightier.
On the bright side. Sridhar will be tried in the end. Her involvement is no small beer. A core protagonist, perhap life in prison would be zero enough for the zero pushing zero.
Communism? Have you not noticed that the major beneficiaries of the coronavirus responses are the billionaires? In the first six months of this madness Jeff Bezos had ninety billion dollars added to his wealth. This coronavirus madness is facilitating a massive transfer wealth – in precisely the opposite direction to communism.
Yes. I’ve noticed. They are all part of the same club. If you think that communism is still the same as it was with guns and gulags then you are in for a hard hard lesson in the coming years.
Have you not noticed how rich the leading figures are in communism? The party in Soviet Russia lived like kings. The Maduro family is one of the richest on the planet. Have you even seen communism?
Communism?! Read up mate, read up!
I have read and see all the signs, both overt and covert. Thanks though. You live in your bubble.
You must be one of those very confused people that think of anarcho-capitalism when they think of communism. If you’re thinking of workers owning the fruit of their labor and people trading freely without a government, that’s called capitalism. Communism involves the many working for the party and a boot on your face.
Communism is the destination of socialism
Socialist?! If the west were a “socialist shithole” we wouldn’t have a few very rich and so many poor. Educate yourself!
That’s how socialism goes.
“everyone is equal but some are more equal than others”
Yes, cause everyone in Soviet Russia was so wealthy. The party were living like kings while the people starved. The current situation in Venezuela is exactly the same, with Maduro’s relatives being some of the richest people on the planet.
You obviously have no idea what socialism looks like.
Socialism is slavery for people who are bad at maths.
I would say it’s for people who think money grows on trees.
“Healthcare is free in socialist Sweden!”
“Sweden is not socialist and the people are paying for the healthcare system through taxation, you donut.”
Injustice is about power used abusively, money (capital) is merely one mechanism for the maintenance of power.
If your nation is ruled by unaccountable privileged shitheads with a firm grip on power and no effective rule of law to constrain their abuses of power, it doesn’t really matter all that much whether they are empowered by wealth (capitalism) or by party position and political access to state power (socialism).
Just because wealth empowers the rulers, it doesn’t mean you’re dealing with capitalism. For example, socialism is also powered by wealth. Do you think the bluecaps were working for free? Everyone working for the party got access to wealth they wouldn’t otherwise had. It’s all about the haves and have nots.
Fair point. Like I said, money/capital is just a means to exercise power.
It’s global communitarianism, actually.
Go on, then. What’s the difference between “ZeroCovid” and “CovidZero”?
Less sugar, same great taste?
They’re the two solutions:
ZeroCovid: no one has covid.
CovidZero: there’s no one left alive to have covid.
The vaccine companies have done very well out of this covid mess . They have produced “vaccines” for which they have no liability problems . They have had so far no longterm trials , but these are now proceeding in the UK , and the benefit to the companies is that they will have an enormous mass of information given to them which they did not have to pay for, as they would in normal trials .
They are even getting paid for these trials, the billions of UK money going to them and the trial results are freely handed over.
The subjects of the trials are coerced into them by the UK govt and effectively told that they have to hand over money and their health ( in some cases their lives). What do we get in return : our liberty, apparently not, just more restrictions and penalties and gross and arbitrary harassment from the police .
So Boris, like a latterday William the Conqueror has decided that we are all his property, to be sold to Pfizer and AZ along with our money, our health and lives and our liberty.
Ironic that in a time when so much fuss is made about historical slavery , Boris is bringing back the custom of selling off his “subjects” to foreigners like some !7th Cent West African chieftain.
Some years ago, Iceland sold the current and historical medical records of its entire population, in some cases going back centuries, to a company (now defunct) called deCode Genetics, which used them in research, the results of which were sold on to big pharmaceutical companies.
Individual Icelanders were permitted to opt out – though, amazingly, few did.
“Individual Icelanders were permitted to opt out – though, amazingly, few did.”
Not amazingly, a dumb public have no fear for what they should fear …
They jailed the bankers in 2008 so they got it half right at least
Before they told use we need to quarantine and we’ll be fine. People complied cause they though that’s the worst it will be.
Now they’re telling us that they need to vaccinate 70% of people and we’ll be fine. People are complying cause they think this is the worst it will be.
Next they’ll tell us that the remaining 30% must also be vaccinated, and they’ll be vaccinated by force and under penalty of law. And the 70% will scream at the 30% to take their vaccines and shut up, cause they’re the source of all evil, they’re the ones that destroyed society. And everyone will be so angry and so full of hatred that no one will notice the increased fatality rate for those 30%. And people will condone mass murder because they’ll think that’s the worse it will get, and then we’ll be free.
But we’ll never be free if complying is all we’re doing.
The last of our freedom is gone.
We are all now serfs of the state.
‘Critical?’ When? I seem to remember Toby defending government policy on SKY Australian news. ‘Coronavirus crisis?’ He means government policy crisis, surely – or does he?
In openly broadcasting his anti-govt. credentials, Toby is in a clear bind trying to balance his role as chief go-to government double-agent in the sceptic camp with being an all round ambitious Tory. Of course his words are cynically phrased, his article masked as satire, but the tear in the corner of his eye will not go away. He means this, be sure of that! Oh the life of a government double agent shill, unrewarded by your real friends and disbelieved by more and more of your sceptical readership, who are increasingly on your case.
Likewise Toby’s rah-rah riposte in Quillette is another cobbling together of the usual BTL calling cards Nothing that could not be found in any comments section for the last few months, nothing about vaccine deaths, and nothing that begins to address the deprivation of rights, freedoms, education, health and job security that have been meted out by this unhinged coalition government (seemingly intent on inscribing Acton’s dictum as the first line of a post-C19 codified UK constitution). And to hell with those without the accumulated wealth and social status to see the government manufactured ‘crisis’ through.
Like Brexit, C19 is largely a game, a career opportunity for government, advisors and supporters in the media. So don’t worry Toby, just as the wretched fake-leaver Hannan got his just reward for weakening the Leave case in 2016, as did Boris of course, you will get yours for weakening scepticism against this government’s unwarranted lockdown.
I think that is a bit harsh.Having read the article Toby stays on firm ground.
Lockdowns are not proven to work,quite the opposite.
I agree,the government have no right to curtail my liberty,stop me from working to protect a failing national institution.That is fact.
I also believe that there are much darker motives behind our governments actions.These are a lot harder to prove but the evidence is there.The vaccines are leading to a health/digital passport.That is now fact.
UBI and digital currency are the next step.
Of course he does, how could he not do? This website’s existence and credibility depend on paying lip service to the sceptic cause. Nevertheless he manifestly fails (as does the ATL website on a daily basis) to advance to sceptic case. As for being harsh, I don’t think I am being critical enough given the severity of the deliberately manufactured crisis, with which Toby is largely complicit.
Unless scepticism turns to outright criticism and then direct action, as should be the process, then it is being deliberately stymied; in this case by influencers like Toby.
Scepticism should be a transitional stage, if not it is called fence sitting. Whoever/whatever might be behind this and their motives are utterly irrelevant considerations. Organised civil direct action to reclaim basic societal and political freedoms is the only course whatever the underlying cause(s) turns out to be.
How many people on SAGE are zero-covidians? Were any of them ‘at’ this conference?
Just wait until the NegativeCovid people start appearing… “We lost too many to Covid. We must resurrect the dead to make up for it!”
I think that by this point it’s clear to anyone that the government cares more about authoritarian measures than they do about anyone’s safety and wellbeing.
Same with vaccines v vaccine adverse reactions
https://www.wecanlivebetter…
The Nazis who were tried at Nuremberg were previously mostly just bureaucrats at heart, dressed by Hugo Boss, and went about their business in the calm manner that members of SAGE do. But they were still executed for ‘doing their best’ for the government of the day. I favour the short drop method the Czechs used on Karl Frank. The video is out there still.
Karl Hermann Frank execution (Graphic)
https://youtu.be/mysR1Kl0phE
It should be shown to these people. They think they will get ‘awards’ for acting like the Nazis. That guy having a go at Whitty is just the beginning.
I’m not having a good morning, since you ask.
The Communists in the Eastern block mainly got away with it though
Not only did they get away with it, but the US was desperate to appease them. I suggest people read “American Betrayal” by Diana West. It explains a lot of things about the US, the UN, and this wave of socialist ideology taking over the west.
People seem to forget that nazis weren’t pure evil and that they did all they did cause they wanted to keep their people safe. Even suggesting such a thing would be outrageous to these ignorant people. They refuse to believe that keeping people safe leads to genocide. But we’re already going down that road. Here’s something about the escalation of genocide: https://www.bitchute.com/video/q1jmVOMYPzpm/
‘The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either – but right through every human heart…even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains…an uprooted small corner of evil.’
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Should be mandatory reading, that. But it will never be, because the socialist-infested education system doesn’t want people to know what communism actually is like.
Hitler praised Roosevelt on his policies. And i can never remember it right, but i think it was Mussolini that didn’t know whether to ally himself with Hitler or with Roosevelt. That’s how socialist the US Democratic party has always been. Roosevelt is remembered as one of the greatest US presidents because of WW2. If Pearl Harbor never happened, he’d be remembered as one of the worse.
The US is the ultimate perversion of freedom. It is the only country where people actually had a good shot at freedom. That’s why it has always been the number 1 target of communism. It’s very hard to tell people that the best life they can possibly have is scraping in the dirt for scraps when the Americans are living free and prospering from it.
The current state of the US has been in the making since the ’30s at the very least, i think. That’s how long they’ve been chipping away at it. And it looks just about ready to fall because people don’t understand the simple concept of “live and let live”.
And we all saw what happened to the last person to try and bring back the American Dream.
Some people around here shouts communism but knows f all, you know who you are, educate yourself!
Should i assume you consider communism to be a good system?
I just want people to not misuse terms …
How is anyone misusing terms when the elites are pushing for socialism?
I think it flies by unnoticed by some people that our fantastic trendy chancellor is utterly pulverising our economics into smithereens. His initiatives are the most hard-line socialist this country has ever seen.
I agree with you. But – people less ”elite” it’d be hard to imagine!
Solzhemenitsyn. One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.
That gives an idea of how utterly fruitless the system is. How missing teeth from scurvy isn’t so bad after recovery -you were alive.
Perhaps the book was once too popular for Norwegian and he knows better books more accurate to what communism is, after all the book is set in a Seberian gulag what would that tell us about communist Cuba.
That’s definitely the most important thing right now.
Sounds like you on the other hand know a lot. Please tell…
What do you like? How about a Norwegian folk tale?
Ah, you mean a lot about communism? I’m not a teacher for f sake, read a book.
Well you’ve got me convinced. Thanks!
No, thank you!
What a strangely miserable comment. Perhaps you do mean to vibrate negativity perhaps you do.
You have a concern that people are using a term, you tell them to educate up to your high standard, when asked to explain you tell them to read a fucking book.
Isnn’t that a tedious bit of boredom. Why not set a goal for yourself of being helpful, positive, useful.
Please …
Please what norwegian?
You make a few snide comments to good folk with open minds interested to learn and think. The you have is read a fucking book.
Who are you? What are you?
He’s not trying to be helpful, or positive, or useful. Someone insulted his dream political system and he can’t stand it.
Agreed.
When right-leaning people attacck authoritarianism they call it communism. When left-leaning people attack authoritarianism they call it fascism.
In my opinion it doesn’t much matter which ‘ism’ is used to justify the boot on your neck.
Having said that, the amalgamation of state and corporate power which we see today is very much like Mussolini’s description of fascism – ie the corporate state, with civil society being progressively strangled.
Of course in Soviet Communism atate and corporate power were eventually identical too.
I think it is incorrect to describe this – or what is emerging – as communism.
That’s because the difference between communism and fascism is nowhere near as big as people would have you think. They’re not opposite ends of any spectrum. They’re two sides of the same coin.
its a political ism circle. If you put freedom at the bottom, then clockwise you go towards facism and anticlockwise you go towards communism. And when you reach the top of the circle, going either way , you are at the same place .
Sure, but it doesn’t make sense to have freedom between two authoritarian systems.
This comes from Soviet Communism using Fascism as a slur.In practice they are very similar .Many Germans under Hitler pre war felt that he was introducing Bolshevism.
For the masses the end result is pretty much the same;being crushed under the heel of the state.
It’s really imposed collectivism vs individual freedom.
You don’t seem to present much in the way of reasoned argument. Perhaps you could try it.
Put it down to political naivety, and move on.
Political naivety is to think that a small amount of very rich people leading a starving country has nothing to do with socialism or communism.
Crony crapitalism FTW.
Conservative Party – funded by billionaires
(New) Labour Party – funded by billionaires
Political parties are just products to be sold, just like wash powders. Some go for Omo, some go for Tide, but they are all concocted in the same factory, just with minor differences in packaging.
Lockdown has been a great oppoortunity to dish out dosh for the boyz/grilz/otherz, all paid for by the serfs.
Dr Andrew Kaufman says SARS-CoV-2 does not exist
You can watch the conversation on my website, or you can listen to it via whatever podcast app you have on your phone. (Just search for “Jerm Warfare”.)
Basically, his argument is that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist, and that it is likely being confused with something called an exosome. This hypothesis is strengthened by the success of antiparasitic drugs like Ivermectin.
I am not a medical expert, so if his commentary triggers you like a toddler whose Nutella sandwich was taken away, then argue with Andrew and not me.
For what it’s worth, his views are supported by molecular biologist Dr Judy Mikovits (who was also on my show), as well as a few others in the field.
Anyway.
Whatever the truth might be, it’s wonderful that we can have these conversations without fear of Soviet-style censorship (which is spreading like a disease).
There has been no verified isolation and culture of the coronavirus. The vaccines were developed, not by using the virus, but by computer modelling of the genetic code. This is an extraordinary procedure. It is also something the lockdownistas are completely silent about.
I’m having a bit of a ding-dong with my Mum over the vaccine issue. It’s becoming really stressful. In response to a paper I sent her, along with some other information, she sent me a video from a doctor in California where he defends the Pfizer vaccine. I tried explaining what I objected to in the video but my Mum put the phone down on me saying she’s made up her mind. I’m merely expressing concern and urging caution. Am I supposed to keep schtum? This is my Mum.
Since she won’t listen on the phone I sent her an e-mail explaining why I believe the doctor is wrong. Please, if you have time, watch the video (it’s only 6 minutes’ long) and let me know if and where you think I went wrong in my criticism of his points.
Here’s the video and my response to it in an e-mail to my Mum. The video’s only 6 minutes’ long (by the way, see if you can spot the ironic part at around 4:13 of the video):
https://youtu.be/HxAVuAkJyZI
You seem determined to get the vaccine, facts and concerns be damned. If you consider that video to be a valid alternative view to the paper/information I sent you then I don’t know what to say, Mum. I love you, and that is why I have to respond to that video. I’m not saying the vaccine is this or that, but I have genuine concerns. Anyway, here goes.
1. He says most of the patients were seriously ill and their ‘anticipated duration of life is only 6 months’, and says even mild side effects from the vaccine could hasten their death, which immediately causes one to ask, So why the hell risk hastening the death of people so seriously vulnerable to the mildest side effects from this vaccine?
He justifies giving them the vaccine on the basis that if they do not have the vaccine and they catch Covid-19 then ‘they will die right away because they are so sick.’ How on earth does this constitute a rational and ethical response/position? He has just said that these patients are so sick that even the mildest side effects from the vaccine could hasten their death, so where is the ethical justification for administering this vaccine *just in case* they catch a virus they don’t have and when this very vaccine’s known side effects could well hasten their death? If you were placing a bet on which option is likely to benefit this type of patient, you’d cearly avoid injecting them and exposing them to side effects that can so easily end their lives.
He’s trying to justify vaccinating the whole nursing home by saying that *Iff* someone catches Covid-19 in the home then it’ll wipe everyone out, which is a) an unargued (though not completely irrational) assumption, and b) gambling on an unknown eventuality over the known heightened danger of vaccination given the condition of the patients.
Remember, I’m answering him on his own terms, Mum.
2. He admits he doesn’t know what really happened in Norway.
3. He misrepresents a news headline by saying it reads: ‘European Pfizer vaccine kills 29 innocent people’ when the headline *actually* reads: ’23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.’ Nice way to totally misrepresent a headline!
4. He says he ‘cannot tolerate’ people raising these concerns because it might put people off taking the vaccine, and says ‘just trust the science behind it…we need 70% of population [sic] to get vaccinated to come out of this pandemic’, which *begs the question* in favour of vaccine safety and efficacy and *ignores* the real, pertinent and serious questions regarding the safety of the Pfizer vaccine, you know, *the very thing in dispute*. Astonishing, Mum.
This burk basically puts his fingers in his ears, closes his eyes and says, ‘Nothing to see here’ while simultaneously admitting he has no idea what is really happening.
It is worth noting that, while this person asks us to ‘trust the science behind it’, these vaccines are made up of completely new biotechnology. This is utterly different from traditional vaccines. Trials have only been going for a matter of months, Mum, and you’d have to be an utter fool (not you; the generic ‘you’) to completely ‘trust the science’ behind these new vaccines when it is, by the very nature of the case, impossible to know what the medium and long-term effects are. These vaccines are experimental. These are human trials.
I’m not asking you not to have the vaccine, Mum. I’m saying I’m very concerned about these vaccines.
Update: We just had a chat on the phone and my Mum said she doesn’t want to hear from me on this subject again. I said that’s impossible for me to agree to, that she’s my Mum and if I come across something that concerns me I’m not going to sit on it but send it to her. So we agreed that we’ll not ‘debate’ it anymore. Tragic.
Oh I do feel for you, it’s really driving families apart now. My mum has so far refused the vaccine, keeps saying she hasn’t yet made up her mind. I can only tell her what I think, that I don’t really want her to have it however if she does have it I will have to remember that it is her decision.
I feel for you. My mother is the same. She trusts the authorities and won’t listen to me..
I’ve been having a very similar argument with my dad and it all seems to boil down to fear. There’s a lot of frightened people out there that were told the vaccine is the only out. They think this is a choice between never-ending lockdown, certain death at the hands of the virus, or a very small risk from a vaccine that’s safe. If that were the case, the choice would be simple.
But they don’t understand that we don’t need to be in a lockdown. It’s a circular type of logic. We need the vaccine to end the lockdown and we need the lockdown cause we don’t have a vaccine.
They don’t understand that the virus is nowhere near as deadly as the media says. Some people still need protection, but we don’t need to end the economy over this.
And they don’t understand that even though the odds of getting sick from the vaccine are pretty low, they’re still higher than getting sick from the virus.
The media and the government have turned this from a reasoned discussion into a conditioned fear response.
Spot on.
It’s so depressing. We are living in a post-rational age.
“It’s a circular type of logic. We need the vaccine to end the lockdown and we need the lockdown cause we don’t have a vaccine.”
Yes – the whole think is a woven fictional narrative.
But this is strengthened by the simple desire to get out of this dead-end, even tho’ the government has blatantly backed down from the original claim that vaccines would be the way.
As one of the ‘vulnerable’ I have the opposite problem : a few members of the family, and friends circle asking me to get the vaccine so ‘we can get back to normal’ in terms of contact. None of them are ‘believers’.
Excellent points Christi, particularly “we don’t need to end the economy over this” – that’s the bit they should be more suspicious of – who will fund the NHS when the jobs are gone? This is a difficult situation for sceptics with families. Thankfully my mother is absolutely going to refuse the vaccine.
Who will fund the NHS? What do you mean? The NHS is free.
I hope the sarcasm is obvious…
I am so sorry you’re stressed about this and it’s completely understandable. Might be worth adding that these vaccines are actually still in human trials.
Also, if she is really insistent on getting vaccinated, perhaps ask her to wait a little while longer and do more research on the other vaccines instead.
sorry I just read that you mentioned human trials to her, I missed that. Don’t allow it to come between you both.
I agree. It is terrible watching someone walking to their doom – or so we fear. Let’s hope she’s one of the lucky ones (and odds are she probably will be). I have someone close to me who is determined to accept it, as soon as possible, and won’t even ”wait and see” – but if it IS going to make him ill, or even kill him then I don’t want to be left knowing that we were on bad terms or that I made him unhappy at the last.
Exactly, I am not getting in the way of people making their own decisions, maybe just adding little snippets of information to plant a seed or two.
My in laws, cousin and friend have had the Pfizer vaccine and my Grandmother had had the Oxford one. I am waiting and seeing as well but hoping for the best.
Well, I guess you have done your best, but, sadly, one has to let the brain-washed choose their own response to it. Cassandra was the original ignored prophet: a terrible fate, but such is life!
I think that you have done all that you can, and in the end, the sceptical position is that everyone must take control for themselves.
The risk is actually statistically small, even if the reported incidents are indeed linked. The bottom line is that the process has not followed scientific protocols, and we do not know enough (particularly in terms of long-term effects) – not that there is an established high level of risk.
The other factors are the circumstantial ones related to vested political and financial interests pushing something that, at best, has a very low degree of absolute risk reduction for an infection of questionable incidence and virulence.
That is why I will not be taking any vaccine, not because I am sure that anything untoward would ensue.
Accept that your mother has been given the alternative facts by you, and move on.
Been through the same thing, I feel your pain. For your own sake you have to tell yourself you did all you could and let it go. Be supportive, make sure she has plenty of vitamin D and self isolate for at least a week afterwards.
Send her this link (posted here yesterday):
https://prezi.com/i/gw4zv2c_cwrb/anecdotal-experiences-cvv/
and:
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data?start=70
Then leave her to make her mind up. If she goes ahead, you’ve done all you can.
I’m living the exact same scenario – and I guarantee a huge number of people are too.
It shows that the power of influence from the BBC/et al is still very strong, stronger than word of mouth.
I desperately do not want my family to get the jab, my mother is particularly susceptible to pressure from my BBC-brainwashed dad, who is himself terrified of C19. But there’s only so far I can go to try and convince them that this is political – it’s not about a virus and we need to stop treating this criminal government like a nurturing caring guardian while they rip our lives apart.
I’m really sorry for you. I too have had almost identical discussions with my parents. The risks of going out, seeing family and living are too great, but the risk of taking an experimental vaccine is a roll of the dice worth taking? That is what I do not understand. Well, I get that they have become so desperate to end this lockdown and live life, that they will consider taking anything, but the same logic does not apply to taking a leap of faith and just getting on with life, which is far less dangerous, statistically speaking. My wife has told me that they are adults, that I have to respect their decisions, which is obviously true, but on the other hand, like you say, how can we sit back and just watch?
What my family/friends say (and I’m sure this is common) in response to my concerns, is that some time in the future if it turns out I’m right, they’ll accept they were wrong.
When I said Christmas would be cancelled, they obviously scoffed at the idea. Christmas was effectively cancelled. When I said the borders will be shut and we won’t be able to leave the country, they scoffed. When I said our movements will be tracked, they scoffed. When I said hotels will be used as quarantine centres, they scoffed. There were many more predictions.
Every time each of those predictions came to be, the answer from family/friends is that it is a sensible way to tackle the crisis.
There is no reasoning with madness.
Excellent post, although it’s actually fear that you are trying to reason with.
Just make sure her will is up to date and current. Start speaking normally as if she’s a goner and you’ll need to get her house cleared out and sold, perhaps you could start packing up the boxes now. . .
Damn that’s brutal… yet this is exactly the same tactics of the government.
I like it. I was thinking of thanking my relatives who take the vaccine for ensuring my future financial well being as I pick up an early inheritance.
Know how you feel. My parents live overseas but see fit to time and again bully me and Mr Bart to the point that I simply ignore them. However I’m reaching the point that I will have to be rude to them if they don’t get the hint.
As for my father-in-law, he’s been respectful of our opposition to lockdown even he’s been long fed up with all this. He’s had the vaccine and fingers crossed he’s not had experienced any side effects so far. But I do shudder to think what can happen.
Same with mine. Actually the strange thing about when I try to talk about anythng to do with Corona Bollocks with my Mum especially is it elicits a very very strange agressive manipulative and irrational response. She is angry at me for even trying to talk about it. It really is very strange. Both my folks got jabbed. I tried but they just would not listen to me at all.
They would rather trust the brainwashing machine.
I find this very very sad, especially as am obviously very very informed about all things COVID.
I think it is just exhaustion on their part. They have been traumatised for 12 months and want it to end. So the shining light of a miracle cure vaccine is clung to like a life raft, and I feel terrible even bringing up the notion that it might be less than they hoped. But, I can’t do nothing.
You make a good point about the unwillingness to listen/hear what you have to say. It’s something I too have noticed and been thinking about, and I’m going to quote it later in a new post. Thanks Two-Six.
I appreciate your responses – thank you very much; I’ve taken them all on board. To those going through the same thing, my heart goes out to you. Of course, it is ultimately their choice. This goes without saying. As RickH says, ‘the sceptical position is that everyone must take control for themselves.’
I am in the same situation with friends and family.
I was in Germany visiting my family when this all kicked off. There were special reports on tv every day after the main news. We switched it off. I assumed it was as my parents thought it is all hyped out of proportion. At that point, I think my parents did think like that, but have now succumbed to propaganda.
They usually live an active retirement, and it has all been taken, and they just want to get back to normal, and if the vaccine does that, then they are fine with it. As well, they have had a good life.
I was critical from the beginning and did my research, and was surprised that my family, even my sister who is not a fan of conventional medicine, are not prepared to listen to another point of view.
To keep the peace and have a relationship, I have to bite my tongue.
Thank you for the Lockdown Sceptics community!
V for Vendetta – the Movie and the Present / UKs Hannah Dean Banned from Hospitals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9RiB0S8LVc&list=WL&index=30
I had the same discussion with my mother last night. She is due to receive the second shot Tuesday. The first put her in bed for two days. The irony is, she survived COVID in December. But she “trusts the FDA.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AzL979SQ4Nw&feature=youtu.be
I challenge anyone to listen to this audio recording which is a phone call with a woman in hospital who describes what’s going on in a ward with elderly patients, who are being ignored by staff while they plead for help, for water…
You can hear another patient calling out for help in the background.
It’s too close to what’s been happening in hospitals across the country, for decades, to be faked.
If it is faked, it’s still very representative of what too many of us have seen for ourselves.
It was said initially that people were afraid of going into hospital because they might ”catch it”, so they weren’t calling for help. That may be so for some. But I always felt that the main reason was because people realised that, if they were unfortunate enough to need hospital treatment, then they would be torn away from their families and would have no-one to visit them, or comfort them, even in extremis.
They’d rather die at home. And so would I.
Technical scrolling issue.
is anyone else being returned to the top of the ATL page when ever they rotare device from protrait to landscape? Perhaps it is just my low RAM that is causing the problem.
Are you using an Android phone? This website is absolutely terrible on my phone.
I get this on my iPad all the time. It drives me nuts. I take a mental note of any photos or graphs or very long posts as I read down, so that I can get back to roughly where I was by quickly scrolling through again. If it was any other website, I would give up, but as I enjoy being a part of this great community, I just put up with it…
As some of you on here may possibly know, Portugal (my wife’s homeland) is dear to my heart and this really saddens me.
I do wonder why the UK didn’t feature!
Portugal has fallen from a category in the Index of Democracy drawn up annually by The Economist, from being a “fully democratic country” down to the category of a “democracy with flaws”, a step backwards driven by the restrictive measures imposed by the pandemic.
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2021-02-05/portugal-no-longer-fully-democratic-country/58069
Fantastic times, Portugal isn’t democratic but the UK is – hurrah!
Goodness, the standard for “fully democratic country” must be set incredibly low!
Citizens assemblies running in the uk now shaping climate policy. That fraudulent system is a very deep low. Feed 1000 folk with chosen scientists opions and information.. Delphi the discussion. Hold the vote. Outcome as wanted all along. Policy set. Elected representatives point at the 1000 regular people and say democracy.
That system has just had an out come to install every house in Scotland with a £15k hydrogen ‘boiler’. That these things are barely commercially available and not affordable to most people doesn’t matter. The democratic process has spoken.
Emailed my MP to tell her to vote against lockdowns. She said she voted in line with her party. Not in line with the wishes of her constituents, but with the party’s wishes. Elected representatives, my arse.
That’ll teach them to keep their judges in line.
Stopped reading the Economist years ago.
It’s very well written garbage.
Indeed! I agree. Such a disappointment.
Interesting. I’ve used this index in research (though Varieties of Democracy is probably a better index). At least in Portugal there was some opposition to the knee-jerk responses to the Rona. For example, opposition parties spoke out against the initial plan to require everyone to have the magic ‘app’ on their smart phones (ignoring the fact that not everyone has a compatible, fully charged smart phone, etc, etc).
So – the floggings will continue until morale improves…
David Davis (@DavidDavisMP) Tweeted:
The Andalusians appear to have had an extremely good result from providing activated Vitamin D, calcifediol, to care home residents and some GP patients. Today I asked @BorisJohnson to look into the latest evidence from Spain on this cheap, safe and effective treatment. https://t.co/oiSkmJEvIg https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1356970108774678528?s=20
short video of david davis asking
They don’t care about cheap, safe, and effective. If they did they would be using HCQ. They care about expensive. Gotta keep big pharma fat!
I’m sure the plan is to eventually. impose hotel quarantines for all overseas arrivals. They’re just doing it bit by bit because there would be too much outrage if it was done in one go. They need to get people to start getting used to the idea.
People have already bought in to the idea that the New Zealand approach is the right one. But they need get comfortable with the price: no foreign travel.
Most people also see the brutal surgical lockdowns that come from time to time with Australia, China style country isolation as a small price to pay that hopefully they won’t ever have to experience personally.
Zero-covid government is definitely coming. There is no stopping it now.
The elite will be exempt
They always are
Unless you have the vaccine and produce your vaccine passport, they will get what they want one way or the other. I do think there will be some kind of kickback eventually but I am not holding my breath for it currently!
And they don’t need to build a wall to keep us in, we already have a moat.
Looks like the only way we’ll be able to go abroad is to wait for dinghy of “refugees” and sail it back across the Channel…
I watched some of Question Time. Truly astonishing. Religious dogma , zero covid , being marshalled, codified, and marshalling and disciplining its devotees, in real time.
I mean surely the bbc did not hand pick the zoom audience to that level of detail? Maybe they did..
and the exact same moral class would have been zealously open-border 2 years ago.
I have to say I’m enjoying the spectacle. This is History, this is Human Psychology in action
May have been posted already, but Hitchens has put together a clear guide to how “Covid” deaths are recorded, with commentary from the always excellent John Lee.
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2021/02/how-covid-deaths-are-recorded-.html
FoI Request: Pathogenic priming as cause of death from Dec 2020 to end of Jan 2021
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pathogenic_priming_as_cause_of_d
Currently waiting for a response from Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, they should respond promptly and normally no later than 25 February 2021 (details).
Good work! It would be interesting to read their reply.
Saw this quote in a local news item
“Following a Freedom of Information Request, Cumbria Constabulary has confirmed that in first 11 months of 2020, the force’s officers were called to 78 sudden deaths which were suspected suicides. Twenty related to people under 35. In 2018, the force were called to 55 suspected suicides. Last year the figure was 65”
That’s interesting information in itself. But let’s do some calculations to try and put that in context.
Let’s assume that the normal suspected suicide rate is 60 per year (based on the average of the previous 2 years) or 5 per month in Cumbria. So there might be 63 suicides in the 8 months from April 2020 to November 2020 (78 – 3 x 5), or about 8 suicides per month.
So that’s about 3 suicides because of lockdown per month.
Let’s now assume that these avoidable suicides because of all the economic affects of this continue for 5 years.
That’s 180 lockdown suicides in Cumbria (3 x 12 x 5).
Let’s assume that the average number of years of life lost for each suicide was 30 years (Source of 30 figure: CPH report of August 2014: Avoidable Mortality in Cumbria: A Case File Review of 78 Suicides).
And let’s assume that the average years of life lost for each covid labelled death is no more than 1 year (which I think must be the case). So each suicide is perhaps 30x more years of life lost than a covid labelled death on average.
So lockdown suicides alone account for 30 x 180 = 5,400 years of life lost, call it 5,000
There have been around 1,071 covid labelled deaths in Cumbria so that is around 1,071 years of life lost, call it 1,000.
So suicides alone in Cumbria have caused without particularly heroic assumptions 5 times more loss of years of life than covid (5,000 vs 1,000). And suicides form a mere part of the deaths caused by lockdown (missed cancer screenings and treatment etc etc etc etc etc)
Of course you can query the assumptions. But I think you can at the very least say that the loss of life from lockdown suicides on it’s own is comparable with the loss of life from covid in Cumbria.
Then factor in that the suicides and other deaths caused by lockdown were preventable but the covid deaths weren’t materially (if at all) preventable (see the multiple scientific papers).
The lockdown zealots think they think but do they?
Anybody able to check the logic/maths?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55907412
Alcohol related deaths highest on NI record. No doubt lockdown played a huge role in this.
Almost one year into lockdowns and there is no cost-benefit analysis. And it will never be! Because it is about control, not about people health!
Your assumptions are rightly conservative. The numbers and logic are fine.
I think your assumption of one year of life lost due to a ‘covid death’ was generous. We know this because in many countries the March/April mortality spike led to no or little ‘excess mortality’ on an annual basis.
You could factor in, if you wished, the quality of life of those years lost, which would, of course, strengthen the argument.
Thanks and all good points.
August 2020 was the lowest monthly Age Standardised Mortality rate in England certainly in the past 20 years, and probably ever. Given that normal healthcare was difficult to access, that can only really be the case if a considerable number of people had had their lives ‘shortened’ by covid by a few months.
The covid labelled deaths such as incidental positives (as opposed to deaths from covid) involve no loss of life. Deaths in care homes can only involve a short loss of life (given the average stay is around 2 years).
But as you say the lack of notable ‘excess mortality’ in many countries is important and mortality in 2019 in England was low and so meant there was a lot of ‘dry tinder’ in 2020 (for want of a better phrase) .
So I’d agree that 1 is a conservative estimate to avoid understating the covid lives lost.
Are there any suicides where the police are not called in? If so overall the number will be higher.
Considering even the government are very aware of the high suicide rates in normal times, particularly in West Cumbria, the numbers I am sure will only increase as the economic and unemployment damage continues. I agree with the post that the numbers are probably higher due to the police not always being called. Very sobering figures.
Of course Cumbria also saw very high rates of suicides during the foot and mouth outbreak caused totally by Ferguson getting his numbers wrong.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/every-life-matters
Interesting link.
Hadn’t thought about the affect on suicide rates on the farming communities in Cumbria, during foot and mouth, and of course Ferguson was at the crime scene there too.
Sadly very high suicide rates, those who survived were encouraged to diversify, many did ironically into tourism so are experiencing problems again.
I wrote a little poem to share with you today.
Lockdown Pain
I just want to see my dad,
Surely that can’t be so bad?
In church I want to sing and praise,
I’m holding on for better days.
We’re missing life with our friends,
When will lockdown ever end?
We’re missing people in our homes,
We’re sick and tired of being alone.
Gran never used to live in fear,
But I’m seeing her life disappear,
She’s giving up and letting go,
Accepting that this must be so.
How many have to die alone?
So many dying on their own,
Corona isn’t all to blame,
This lockdown’s causing far more pain.
The Eurosurveillance response to the science backed demand for the Drosten PCR paper to be retracted, and…
the determination for HCQ, Ivermectin, Vit D, etc not to be accepted by the medical establishments as effective treatments for covid (can’t have emergency licencing of an experimental vaccine if there are effective treatments)….
demonstrates that science is irrelevant when it comes to covid – the power and money behind the casedemic is massive, mass murder has been committed, there is too much to lose for those with blood on their hands.
the scientists and Dr’s that can see what is going on are mainly too scared to do anything.
RIP science
for those that can’t keep up and don’t really understand what’s actually going on (and for those that do please correct me, I am no scientist or expert);
Eurosueveillance is a medical publication that published the Drosten PCR paper that all the PCR test are based on (Prof Drosten is a German ”scientist”). Many scientists, including world experts on PCR testing, have asked that the paper is retracted – mainly because it is bollocks science. The ‘pandemic’ since last summer is entirely based on the fraudulent use of this test.
That’s right and Eurosurveillance basically just investigated themselves and concluded that they’d done nothing wrong… quelle surprise
So here we go..I have just been notified at work that I will have to have a little talk with HR because of an email I sent to another manager who is on the same level as myself. The issue was that a young , fully fit woman has some issue s with her equipment so she needs us to contact her broadband provider as her manager wants her to be productive. In my rage I wrote this: If she want to be productive she can come to the office, they are empty anyway so she will be socially distanced to an 10000th degree.
Another manager thought that this was not in the spirit of the lockdown so he reported me to HR where I will now have a full inquisition. He is a complete lockdown zealot and washes every packet he brings from the shop, seriously!!
I’m a front line key worker who has been coming into the office for every day since the start of this Plandemic while everybody else works from home and cries how hard it is why posting pictures of banana bread on our company website..Fuck this world,fuck this country..I’m so done
Not in the spirit of lockdown.Im sure that’s not law yet!
Stick to your guns Thomas. Don’t apologise. Calmly state how you have been to the office every day and ask if they would prefer you to work from home baking banana bread. See how that goes down!
I know how you feel, but my disillusioned advice advice is: grovel. It isn’t worth losing your job over. Say you regret any offence taken by an individual. (Real meaning: if anybody was so cretinous as to take offence, tough. But don’t actually say that.)
Don’t say you didn’t mean what you said. You did mean it, and you were entirely right. But cover your a..e. And if necessary, lie. Live to fight another day.
Something along the lines of you thought that if someone can’t work from home , they should be working in the office and there is no problem working in the office. Would HR prefer that they sat doing nothing at home -if so that is unfair on you who ismaking the effort to work productively.
Better still. Play the victim card. Say you’ve been going in to work all this time, facing the danger day in day out, and the stress and pressure is getting to you.
Self-victimisation is the most effective tool for manipulation of our times.
Sorry to hear this. We had a similar problem and gave a similar solution. Miraculously this cured the IT issues instantly. All managers were in agreement that inviting the member of staff to use the empty offices would be a better use of (rapidly dwindling) resources than letting them skive off indefinitely or buying a new laptop or paying for a Virgin media upgrade for her house or whatever she thought she’d be able to blag.
In today’s climate, you have to bite your tongue.
You’ll be horsewhipped by a committee of 20-something girls and the men who would like to go to bed with them.
It’s hateful, but true.
If I did and said the sort of things at work now that I could get away with 20 years ago, I’d be completely unemployable.
Rip these fools a new one. Good luck. I feel for you. I have no idea how you manage to carry on like you do. Respect indeed.
Why can’t she contact the broadband provider herself? Or buy a new router, that solves most problems.
Covid is the UKs biggest business opportunity now that The Clown has destroyed our economy.
Clap for Covid
The people pushing covid are nothing more than liars. The sole basis of their argument is that there is no other way.
The evidence is clear, there are other ways. That’s all we need to know when it comes to the zero covid argument.
There is no other way …for them.
They can’t let up because doing so would be an admission of failure and they would be crucified for collateral damage they have created.
It’s also a pretty safe route for now. The only pressure they seem to get is from zealots who want to impose CCP type population control on all of us. So as long as they are just a bit less radical than them, they’re safe. For now, anyway.
if the mood changes they can shift away from the zealots to a less authoritarian position which is completely empty right now of anybody of any importance.
There is some good reading in the latest edition of TheLight Truthpaper:
https://thelightpaper.co.uk/assets/pdf/The-Light-Truthpaper-Issue-5.pdf
Thank you.
I’ve been thinking about a reply I got from AidanR yesterday when I was commenting on my Dad’s sudden collapse into Covid terror along with his loathing of hospitals. He pointed out that what really terrifies a lot of people is the fear of going into hospital at the moment.
I think he’s spot on. For all the “Gawd bless our enaychess heroes” and the clapping, people know deep down that our hospitals are bloody awful places that are the most likely way to pick up fatal infections, staffed by masked automatons and out of communication with your loved ones.
The cognitive dissonance this causes is yet another thing driving everyone mad.
The seal clappers are the ones who are confident they won’t end up in hospital themselves. It’s like the cretins who want crap comprehensives for other people’s children while sending their own to private schools.
They bring about penalties for their own children.
The Direct Grant, much feted private schools near us always published their ‘A’-level results in the press.
So it was difficult not to smile when both our children – attending the local comprehensive – both achieved as good results in their respective years (at no cost) as any in the ‘giyuz the money’ sector.
A-level results mean nothing compared to the network of contacts kids at private schools and elite universities get.
It’s not a coincidence that we are lead by thicko donkeys with PPE degrees from Oxford and non-exec directorships and patronages coming out of their ears.
It is not uncommon to have people take heart rate monitors away from hospitals to get accurate readings.
Obviously many reasons why a resting rate might be higher at hospital, the effect of just being there is one.
My dad is the same. He was in really bad shape at the end of December and he refused to go to hospital for fear of getting covid. He said he’ll go when he’s feeling better. Now he’s feeling better and says “why should i go? i’m all better”. So… yeah… don’t expect reason to work.
Let’s face it unless you have a lab coat or letters in front of your name no one listens to you…
Tell that to the people who signed the Great Barrington Declaration.
Good point lol
The latest from The Bernician.
https://www.thebernician.net/pcp-set-to-proceed-against-architects-of-covid-1984-scamdemic/
I wish themluck, but…
Excellent I wonder how long this will take?
He needs professional help I feel
Some of you may be aware that one of our btl regulars, Nick Rose, started to experience symptoms of COVID last week and subsequently tested positive. I was in regular contact with him and became concerned about his breathing. I encouraged him to phone NHS 111 and 999 but they were worse than useless and did nothing. I lost contact with him on Monday but had his parents’ number. They were also concerned and sent his brother and sister-in-law (a nurse) round to check on him. They found him collapsed and unresponsive and called an ambulance. Unfortunately it was too late and he died.
I hadn’t known Nick long but we had become close. He was a lovely, kind man who believed passionately in the anti-lockdown cause. I can’t believe he has gone.
So sorry to hear that news. RIP Nick Rose.
I walked and talked with him only a few weeks ago. A lovely man who lived and loved the outdoors and freedom.
For once I would agree with anybody who said this death was a tragedy. We will remember you with honour, Nick.
Damn
RIP Nick.
That is devestating. RIP.
Oh no….I remember Nick Rose here. How sad. Please pass our condolences on to his family if you can, must be awful for them.
That’s terrible news, Gill. I am so sorry. I have become accustomed over the weeks I have been looking at this website to seeing Nick’s regular balanced and informative posts. It’s an understatement for me to say he will be missed.
Gosh Gill, thank you for bringing this to all our attentions. I believe I was engaged in a series of discussions with him very recently on here. This is quite a shock, and very sad. Please pass on my condolences to his family. He will be very much missed by us all on here.
I am very sad to hear this Gill. Nick was a prolific contributor here.
… but what are the symptoms of covid?
Dreadful news, I always enjoyed Nick’s contributions. May he RIP. Thanks for letting us know Gill and sorry for your loss.
I am shocked to hear this. Was he not the one doing great things with graphs/stats?
RIP
Nick’s posts were always excellent
You’re thinking of NickR, a different contributor.
Very sad news. He talked a lot of sense. Condolences to his family.
Awful news. He was a valued contributor here and I will miss reading his insightful posts. My condolences go to you and Nick’s family.
I am so sad and angry to learn that Nick was denied appropriate healthcare when he needed it. This could happen to any of us or our families, whether our illness was covid-related or not. What a mixed up, dysfunctional world we are living in. Sympathies for your loss, Gill.
So sad to hear that.
Although I didn’t know Nick personally, it is the humanity, common sense and community of posters here that is helping me through.
So sorry for your loss Gill.
RIP Nick.
Oh that is so so sad, Nick was such a great poster on here with a lovely balanced view point. I shall miss his posts very much indeed.
Thank you Gill for making us all aware of what happened, sending you and all of us in this community love and hugs.
Btl?
‘below the line” i.e. comments forum contributor
(If you see ‘atl’ that denotes “above the line” i.e. website articles)
So shocking and very sad. Thank goodness he had a friend in you Gill.
WOW that is really terrible news. SO sad. I really thought that I would meet up with him one day soon.
Damn.
Me and Mrs Two-Six are really really gutted about this today. I am really upset.
I looked back a bit and I think these were his last two posts.
************************
Nick Rose
7 days ago 29th Jan 2021
Have been very under the weather the past few days. An irritating cough that turned persistent, together with loss of taste and smell. Yesterday went for that test (yuck). Just waiting for the results. I can’t duck it, because working in a factory, I owe it to my colleagues. Nobody wants to be anywhere near somebody coughing and spluttering every twenty minutes.
Knowing my luck, I’ll get a false negative. I’ve always liked to be different!
Nick Rose
6 days ago 30th Jan2021
Reply to Andrew K
It’s not that this agenda exists that is disputed, only the lunatic conclusions some people have reached concerning some of its aims that are highly questionable.
R.I.P indeed. I am going to miss his posts, he really did seem like a friend.
Fuck tears…
Now there is a fucking rainbow outside…
Oh dear, that is awful.
RIP.
A pity that he’s now counted as another victim of Scam-19, what would he have thought of that?
Really sad news, he was a great BTL poster and will be missed. Best wishes to his family.
So sorry, Gill, terrible news.
I recall Nick’s posts as ones I would read, nod my head to and uptick. Sad to lose him here and sad for his family and yourself.
Such sad news. I really enjoyed reading Nick’s posts on here. Sending my condolences to his family.
Sorry to hear the news, RIP Nick Rose
It’s sad that the NHS failed him when he needed them the most.
Please pass on my condolences
Thanks, Gill, for letting us know. I did wonder why I hadn’t heard from him lately.
Nick and I go back quite a bit. I knew him as a fellow contibutor on Guido (on the sane side, I should add).
I am very sad today.
RIP Nick (one of the truly good guys).
Indeed RIP Nick….used to enjoy reading his protest reports….always very balanced. A sad loss.
Like you, Gill, I cannot believe that Nick has gone. We knew each other through this site and went on some protests together. He was one of the soundest people I have ever met, full of goodness and wisdom.
If you would be open to being in touch I would very much like to make contact. I can be messaged through the PM system on the Forums (just search for my name).
Lost for any more words just now.
Thanks Erica, I’ve sent you a PM.
I can only echo what everyone else has said – this is terribly sad news, and our thoughts are with Nick’s family and friends.
We have all come to recognise the regular posters here – their personalities have become so familiar that it is as if we know each other.
A very sad day – Nick Rose’s wise words will be missed by all of us.
Haven’t visited LS in the last few days so only just heard about this. I’m so sorry and may he RIP.
So sorry to hear this, Gill – he was a calm rational voice who always has something illuminating to say. I only knew him from this site, but it is clear that his friends and family will greatly miss such a good guy.
I know this is not UK related, but a small update from Poland. Today government announced that cinemas, theaters, operas, all sport’s outdoor activities, swimming pools, skiing facilities, hotels are to be reopened in 2 weeks for a two week trial period. All to be operated within 50% capacity.
This joins shopping malls, museums, art galleries that have been reopened this week. Small children are back to school from last week. This essentially brings us close to June 2020 reopening, but masks indoor and outdoor stays.
I didn’t know masks outdoors were mandated in Poland.
My sister in law is Polish and she managed to get there last summer to see her elderly parents. She normally goes over about 4-5 times a year to see them and is upset that she doesn’t know when she will get the chance now, especially with the quarantine hotel stuff now.
Yes, you have to wear mask outdoors. It has been a policy since around October 2020 and majority of people are doing it, but I only heard about several instances of police reminding people to put on the mask.
Sorry to hear about your sister in law, tough on families separated by this madness.
Michal these updates are welcomed much more than UK updates. It’s all doom and gllom over here.
I’m following the news from UK on lockdowns and restrictions and simply cannot believe when comparing what is happening in UK and here in Poland. We are in lockdown technically as well, but this is so different.
Corona children studies “Co-Ki”: First results of a Germany-wide registry on mouth and nose covering (mask) in children
https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1357644502568165377
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-124394/v1
I’m nearly 71 yrs old and have just received my vaccination invitation letter. In the enclosed guide it says this:
”Overall fewer than 1 in 100 people who are infected will die from COVID-19, but in those over 75 yrs of age this rises to 1 in 10.”
I’m dead against the whole shebang but could someone please explain how this high figure for the over 75’s has been arrived at?
Putting covid on death certificates when it wasn’t the cause of death, at a guess.
Dying with, not from.
Thanks, I’m seeing red this morning
Of course it is a notifiable death and whilst it remains the numbers will remain high. The fact that it can go on a death certificate without anyone actually seeing the person to confirm diagnosis will increase the numbers. This information is all contained within government and PHE documents put in place in March/April 2020.
That is shocking to have on an invitation letter.
YES it’s there so blatantly and who the hell wouldn’t sit up and think OMG 1 in 10 that’s a very good likelihood of death. I have a demanding role – I care for my disabled grandson and up to my neck in trying to help my family survive through nursery closures, cancelled therapies and closed facilities.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/02/covid-vaccine-death-seniors.aspx
Age is just part of the equation of not fighting off a cold or flu. There are healthy 90 years old and not healthy 50 years old. There’s a lot I don’t know about the world but one thing I’m sure of; if a cold or a flue kill me I was already on deaths doorstep before the virus found me.
There are roughly 10.5 million people aged 60-79 in England. And 24,169 hospital deaths labelled as covid have occurred in England in that category.
Let’s assume you are mid risk in that category, which may be reasonable given your age,
So even if the vaccine had been available say in January 2020 and it was 100% effective it would mean your odds of the vaccine preventing your death being labelled as covid up to now would be about
24,169/10,500,000 = 0.2% or 1 in 500
Some of those deaths were from covid but many probably most are with covid (so the vaccine doesn’t help there) so maybe it is less than a 0.1% chance of preventing your death or 1 in 1,000.
The epidemic is essentially over, the virus is now endemic and so the odds of dying in the future with your death caused by covid is going to be much much less than 0.1%, because the number of future covid deaths is likely to be less than the number of covid labelled deaths that have happened up to now (even if we assumed nobody was vaccinated).
And if you’ve no comorbidities your risk of dying from covid is very very small indeed.
So the benefit of an experimental vaccine to you is likely to be very very small especially if you have no comorbidities.
The 1 in 10 figure is meaningless and seems to be have been provided out of context. It’s probably based on how many 75s have died with or from covid divided by the number who have tested positive at some timepoint. However if you’ve encountered the virus but never been tested for covid then you aren’t in the bottom bit of that calculation.
It’s like them saying your chance of dying in a car accident if you have a serious car crash next year is 10%. The point is you aren’t likely to have a serious car crash, and so their claim is like saying “the chance of you dying in a serious car crash is 10% so we advise you not to drive”.
But you have to weigh up the harms and potential harms against the benefits (take into account your own health and other individual considerations) and make an informed decision yourself, and make your choice based on that.
Thanks so much – maths was never my strong point, I just smelt a huge rat but wanted to be able to explain when some of my my compliant family and friends berate me for not having it!
PandemKids: collateral devastation of a generation?
https://www.anhinternational.org/news/pandemkids-collateral-devastation-of-a-generation/
I feel for Toby Young battling against the assault from the Covid maniacs. They are beyond rationality – a cult.
But his attempt to justify the sceptic position is actually a concession.
Sceptics do not have to make any justification – just make the demand ‘Show me’.
… i.e provide evidence that :
This is just simple scientific method (the real meaning of ‘follow the Science’). Should the evidence not convincingly meet the criteria, the relevant hypothesis is rejected.
Anyone who tries to buck that framework is indulging in belief, not science and shouldn’t be let anywhere near policy formation.
The need for justification lies entirely on the cult’s side. Scepticism is science.
“Sceptics do not have to make any justification – just make the demand ‘Show me’.”
A very important point!
Sars Cov2 is no different to Hcov-Oc43
If you’d have tested for Hcov-Oc43 in Jan 2018 (60K dead) you would have had similar numbers for that winter season
Exactly what I’ve said before. The burden of proof is entirely on their side as it is all their policies that are destroying peoples lives, not ours. Their data, their rationale, their proof of efficacy, their ethical standpoint, their political legitimacy, their measures of success, their adherence to their own rules, their desire to search for alternatives, their conflicts of interest, their methods of persuasion and their motives should be absolutely unimpeachable. Nothing less can justify the harm that has been done.
I was forwarded this, I don’t know who wrote it but I feel much the same.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Anyone who thinks that social distancing is a good idea for the next few years actually wants to be micro-chipped or thinks that a ‘benevolent’ dictatorship is for the good of humanity, I don’t want to give that point of view any of my energy.
I am a free human being and if you want to stay home, stay home. That’s your sovereign right to choose.
If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. That is your sovereign right to choose. But remember, breathing in your own Co2 and waste matter is very detrimental to your health and weakens your immune system. If you want to cover your hands and arms in hand sanitizers, using them like suncream, that is your sovereign choice. But remember, before all these lies started hand sanitizers carried health risks. Those health risks still exist and using hand sanitizers constantly also leads to weakening of your immune system amongst other things.
If you want to avoid large crowds, avoid large crowds. That’s your sovereign right to choose.
I am not required to descend into poverty for YOU.
I am not required to abstain from human contact for YOU.
I refuse to participate in “quarantine life” until there’s an unsafe, untested vaccine released in eighteen months.
I refuse to receive a vaccine to make others feel safer because that is MY sovereign right to choose!
If you’re convinced the vaccine is safe and effective, you can get it yourself.
Some of you are allowing fear and policies devoid of scientifically accurate data to destroy the country you live in and ruin your life.
We have a constitutional right to take risks. Life is full of bacteria and viruses, many of which spread before symptoms manifest and after they subside.
We have a sovereign right to receive OR refuse vaccines.
The data was inaccurate at best; purposely overblown to justify government overreaction at worst.
Stop allowing the government to destroy:
The food supply;
Small businesses;
Medical autonomy;
Access to healthcare;
Mass gatherings;
Privacy rights;
Our mental health & freedom
When the “new normal” is filled with starvation, depression, suicide, child abuse, domestic violence, imprisonment, governmental spying, and pure DESPERATION, the “virus” is going to look preferable to the world you helped facilitate.
I’m going to turn this around on people from now on. Those who say I’m (or anyone that supports this) putting money over lives by wanting the country back open for business, hear this:
-YOU don’t care about the people who will kill themselves out of hopelessness
-YOU don’t care about small businesses that’ll close their doors (THEIR LIVELIHOOD) permanently
-YOU don’t care about the children/women/men who will be victims of domestic abuse
-YOU don’t care about people defaulting on their mortgages
-YOU don’t care about bills going unpaid by families with ZERO income right now
-YOU don’t care about people wondering where their next meal will come from
-YOU don’t care about the people who will lose their sobriety and slip back into alcoholism
-YOU don’t care about the people who will starve
-YOU support the inevitable looting that’ll take place
-YOU don’t care about anyone who is murdered the longer this shut down goes on
-YOU don’t care about people’s mental health
-YOU don’t care about the children who DO need teachers and educators to guild & educate them
-YOU don’t care about the economy crashing down around us
-YOU DON’T CARE.
-YOU love your shackles
-YOU are pathetic, begging your leaders for MORE shut down and MORE regulations and MORE handouts
I will NOT tolerate another person telling me that I don’t care about lives.
I care about the situation in its entirety.
But YOU don’t care about any of that so…
YOU stay home.
YOU wear a mask.
YOU live in fear.
I on the other hand will not as is my sovereign right to choose NOT TO!”
Huzzah! A magnificent clarion call for freedom! I am copying this in case I need to do some shouting from the rooftops in the near future.
Three cheers for the author of this!!
Have copied and pasted this in case I need to bash a few heads against the wall.
Yes, I like to credit them but it came via forwarded telegram posts.
Brilliant
Founder’s Q&A
Question 1: ARE COVID VACCINES REALLY VACCINES?.
Question 2: – NATURAL VS LAB ORIGIN?.
Question 3 – WILL SARS-COV-2 DISAPPEAR?.
Question 4 – ZINC, THE MISSING LINK
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https://www.anhinternational.org/news/founder-s-qa/
We were musing yet again about what’s behind the appallingly complacent and compliant attitudes of friends and acquaintances in our demographic (late 60s – early 80s, higher-educated, comfortably pensioned.) So far it has been almost unanimous, with a couple of shining exceptions.
Otherwise, every single bloody one of them buys the Government’s every last lie. There is no questioning, no doubting. They all ‘stick to the guidelines’ or they do when it suits them; they believe that they are in great danger from The Virus and now its ‘variants’ and ‘asymptomatic transmission’; they all wear face-nappies and they think the ‘vaccine’ will get us back to normal. Everything will mystically come right and, if it doesn’t, oh well, it won’t be that bad.
A friend phoned. She believes the Government must be ‘cautious’ or ‘numbers will start rising again.’ I did my best, I honestly did but I know she wasn’t really listening. She doesn’t want to know. A long-ago ex-partner emailed. He and his wife are totally bought-in even though she is a strong campaigner against the destruction of the NHS. I did my best with him too but his reply made no reference to anything I had said.
We’ve always been left-ish, we have supported those who challenge the MSM and its lying propaganda for decades and we never expect truth to come out of the mouths of politicians. People who have been ‘out on a limb’ for years, picking apart the lies, propaganda and manufactured consent of the MSM and Governments just can’t see what’s going on with the Scamdemic. Some get offended if you try to reason with them. They will not even refer to it in their writing. They fulminate against the treatment of Julian Assange, the SNP stitch-up of Alex Salmond, the witch-hunt against Jeremy Corbyn, the censorship of anyone opposing the Israeli occupation of Palestine. But Covid? Nothing to see here.
On here, we’re all aware of the ‘Victims of Comfort’ phenomenon – generous pensions, big house and garden, heating, good food, everything on Zoom, Netflix, Facebook, Snapchat, all nice and safe from icky bio-hazards . They don’t even seem to care that they don’t see their grandchildren. It’s much too dangerous and it’s ‘against the guidelines’, you know.
We started wondering if, after all, advancing age is part of the problem. When you’re 70+, it’s all so much effort:
When you’re older, it takes effort to:
Here’s why why we think we don’t fit in:
We think we may cause confusion in the minds of people. We look old but we don’t do gravitas! We play instruments and used to cart them on the train to Sheffield every Wednesday morning to play in an orchestra. We are possibly the only people who want it back (too dangerous!) When we shop, we lug it all round on our backs or our bikes. We are noisy, opinionated and probably a pain in the arse but even people who have shouted hysterically at us about the ‘dangers’ and ‘people are dying’, still talk to us. I think this may be because we are lively and positive and they get to see our faces!
We are finding every way we can to meet our family. We’re smuggling two in on Sunday. Next door does this too. The kids can drive us bonkers but we love them and some things trump slight inconvenience – like love, for example.
Also, is it because we don’t watch TV, don’t do social media, don’t read MSM? We are determined to keep talking in real life to real people. Many of them think we’re nuts but at least some of them give us a hearing. Are we just ‘okkerd’? Probably, but we’re not giving up. Not on your Nellie! MW
Nice post – great analysis of what probably makes you different.
I think our society has become increasingly a society of old people. What we see around us is an old people’s reaction. It is what one wuld expect from spectators of life rather than participants.
I used to think this, but as I got older myself (and no less awkward for it) I realised that by and large, older people who are timorous and conformist were always like that – they didn’t become that way one day when they got old.
It is the comfortably off older person’s reaction that’s the real problem, but their comfortable life is coming to an end and quite soon at that. These compliant people are usually only too willing to bare their arms for the Bill Gates vaccines and then of course they will be beyond all hope.
In the past decade or so, that has become a quality of the right, since MSM and politics have shifted pretty far over to the left.
‘Left’ as you use it means pc lib-left identity politics guardianism.
An ideology designed and marketed by corporate elites to replace old-style class-based politics.
It is perfectly congruent with their interests.
If politics and the MSM were really ‘left’, then why has wealth become increasingly concentrated over the last decade, accompanied by the erosion of the welfare state and employment rights?
“ MSM and politics have shifted pretty far over to the left.”
Only if you have an uncorrected political squint.
If most people were like you we wouldn’t be where we are. Keep it up!
Wonderful post, thank you. Agree on everything. Wish my MIL was like you. Won’t see her grandchildren out of fear. I am actually now tired of being angry with her for it and falling foul of the brainwashing.
Even when you point out to people a glaring obvious fact that the death rates are within 28 days of a flawed test, they STILL look at you like you’re a nutter for going against the narrative.
“Even when you point out to people a glaring obvious fact that the death rates are within 28 days of a flawed test …”
Isn’t it 60 days now? And Covid on death certificate because the illness looked like “it”?
Here’s a gov. press release from last august that explains the new protocol for reporting daily Covid deaths, introducing the 28 days-from-positve-test regime:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-wide-methodology-agreed-to-record-covid-19-deaths
The interesting bit is at the end (my emphasis):
In England, a new weekly set of figures will also be published, showing the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide an additional measure of the impact of the disease over time.
This follows concerns raised by academics from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine about the original measure, which counted anyone who had ever tested positive as a COVID-associated death. They called for the introduction of a 21-day measure in order to accurately assess the impact of the virus on mortality rates.
How do we know which parameter is being used whenever they fear-porn us?
AG
Husband and I are younger than you but ask the same question all the time, what makes us different? We too do not get involved with social media or watch much TV. We did always enjoy reading the Saturday and Sunday newspapers though but that stopped in March.
Our mantra has become (or maybe it has always been) believe nothing and check everything. Yet we still cannot fathom why friends of many years standing, in addition to family, are entitled to have differing views to us, but will not give any credence to any differing views we have about covid.
Your last paragraph sums it up very well, if you don’t do MSM or social media how would you know there is a pandemic?
Muzzles and swervers
I remember when the Left used to love Alex Jones – Infowars
Talk about drift
Glad to hear it – I’m in the same demographic and have come across the same weird responses from people who hate and distrust this government but have lapped up their lies and can’t comprehend why anyone would disagree- it’s baffling but similar to the fact that they don’t seem to have realised that Keir Starmer is anti-democratic, belongs to the trilateral commission and is pushing harder for more lockdowns in the face of very obvious signs that the ‘virus’ is disappearing. Unfortunately they may well realise it too late or, quite possibly, blame people like us for not complying with our overlords hence spreading doom on our land – I said to one friend who is having the vaccine that she’ll have to visit me in the camp they’ll put us non-compliants in and she promised to bring me a cake with a file in it – she didn’t realise I wasn’t joking.
You are bang-on about Starmer. Once you understand his affiliations the Nu-Labour position make sense. What the Corbynite support for ‘Zero Covid’ is about is another matter. . . . .MW
I can’t work out the thinking behind the degree to which the moderate left (forget the Trot Tooting Brigade – they never have had judgment or sense) such as Corbyn have followed this Covid narrative. It’s so obviously stupid, even in terms of short-term politics.
That said, this shit-show has blown up simplistic left/right allegiances as focus has switched to the totalitarian/libertarian dimension in politics.
Starmer is easy to explain – an unthreatening (in terms of the establishment) authoritarian shill manouevered into place as an alternative to Johnson if and when. The propaganda campaign against Corbyn connects with the Covid one in that sense. The alliance with the Israel Lobby was an immediate give-away.
Thanks to you and everyone else for your kind responses. There are now several people we are worried about because they’ve had the jabs. I inadvertently answered the phone yesterday to our GP surgery. AlanG is now marked down as ‘declined’. MW
Just listening to Teal Swan’s conversation and does it really all boil down to our pathological fear of death?
We never risk a day in our lives and never fear we won’t live to see another day.
What this is exposing is that what we’re experiencing isn’t life, we aren’t alive. . we are just here, not dead.
The noobs, boomers and MSM-addled just haven’t realised it yet because most of their lives are spent in this liminal state.
Great post. Makes me wish that my parents and former colleagues were like you & your OH.
My friends are a similar demographic. 30-40% had seen through the lies by May 2020. The others are mostly agnostic, a few are believers. Almost all have been or plan to be jabbed. Why??
Admittedly the NHS gave one of them false figures for the death rate from COVID, namely 1% for under 60s and 15% for over-70s. It’s painful to observe this process.
Spot on! In very much the same position. Intelligent well educated friends who I would have expected to see through, or at least have some doubts about, the lies have just swallowed it whole. And will not even make any attempt to look outside the MSM narative. Very depressing.
Thank you, Miriam, a very interesting and substantial post. Perhaps a bit oddly, I feel much the same about the ways in which I am different from my terrified, compliant friends – all of whom have been espousing radical left politics (radical feminism, LGBTQ, critical race theory, environmentalism, veganism) throughout their adult lives. Oddly, because I’m in my 40s and the people I know best are in their 30s, 40s and 50s. At mid-life, it seems already to be true that plenty of educated, middle-class people are physically and emotionally lazy, narrow in their outlooks, slow to leave the house and reluctant to plan expeditions, generally unenterprising in their personal and social lives. They haven’t lost much from house arrest.
It remains a staggering mystery to me, however, that these avowed anti-establishment radicals have shown themselves deeply attuned to the authoritarianism of the government: until March 2020, these people frothingly loathed the Conservatives. Now they either hate or pity me for my opposition to the corona regime.
BREAKING
And…interesting:
Al Jazeera English: Pfizer withdraws emergency use bid of its COVID vaccine in India.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/5/pfizer-withdraws-emergency-use-bid-of-its-covid-vaccine-in-india
Who said India was a third world country.
Their health professional have more sense than ours, obviously.
Let me see if I’ve got this right. When (increasingly if) I return to the UK from Brazil for retirement, I will have to pay for the pleasure of being quarantined, but my micro-chipped and tested cat won’t?
Don’t give them ideas – microchipping for all of us will be next
I’d stay there if I were you.
Funnily enough, after seeing the news, my partner (she’s Brazilian) suggested we could think about that, it seems that you have it far tougher over there than we do. Technically we have a tiered lockdown similar to the UK, but nobody takes any notice here. The need to put food on the table outweighs any other concerns.
By August India region had 47% prevelance.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776292?guestAccessKey=d24d3049-d501-4e6a-935d-1b2ef372e9dc&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_jama&utm_term=4465119040&utm_campaign=article_alert&linkId=110671192
And in Sweden 40 % Stochlm 45%,India has a typical curve symmetric up and down curve.Remarkable low death rate due to early HCQ treatment and now Ivermectin.Lockdown masks pure farce as SD impossible in India.A natural trajectorty helped by early treatment.It must be the ultimate irony the former colony manging this 10 times better.
A propos of Sweden, I see Tegnell is on about the danger of a “third wave” and saying he now thinks 80% vaccination is required for herd immunity. I think he must have been “got at”.
He might just have altered his opinion. That’s the way science works.
To quote Keynes
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
So, which facts have changed?
I think for once Mayo is right. It’s likely due to the variants scare.
However there are holes in that too. The Northern Ireland health minister said too early to lift lockdown as cases plummet because of new variants. Which they have no data on, just worries. VERY SCIENCEY THAT
Looking at Worldometer for Sweden, the only fact that seems likely to have changed minds is that yesterday the deaths count jumped from a weekly average of about 10 to 39. But we have been told that the variants are no more deadly than the original strain.
The other possibility for a spike in deaths is that which has been suggested here in recent days , namely a vaccine induced fatality . Do we know whether Sweden has startred vaccinating yet ?
Yes they have. Last I saw it was about 250,000 so as a % a fair bit less than here
“So, which facts have changed?”
That’s the question I was about to voice.
Maybe. One of the problems about the way governments and scientists and the scientific community has behaved, where there is very clear political (I mean that in the widest sense) motivation is that it erodes trust in all scientists and others who pronounce on the whole awful business.
Anyway it’s hard to get one’s head round what he is saying – not sure what he basing his views on
I don’t remember Tegnell ever being against regulator approved covid vaccines, there just weren’t any until very recently – vaccines being the preferred method of herd immunity for many. I don’t think he has spoken out against the term ‘waves’ and a 3rd wave may just be a reference to the endemic covid expected return next winter. So he may not have changed his opinion.
I see that Toby Young has a refutation of Snowdon’s pro-lockdown piece.
Yesterday I had to take my mother to a long delayed outpatient appointment and am irritated enough by Snowdon to make some comments. (I would note that the NHS staff were pleasant, helpful and courteous but all were sadly masked…)
Snowdon: “I reluctantly support this lockdown … It seems to me to be the only way to ensure that everybody is able to access healthcare, whether they have COVID or not.”
Yet non-Covid patients seem to have a sub-standard access to NHS care. In August I took my mother to an outpatient appointment. On entry no one else was in the waiting area and one person when we exited. Six months later, at a follow up (which would ordinarily have occurred perhaps a month or two after the initial appointment), one person leaving as we arrived and two waiting when we left. And this was for all the outpatient clinics at that time; ordinarily I would expect to see 10-20 people waiting. The X-ray department in September had patients arriving at perhaps five minute intervals and small numbers waiting in widely spaced seats; a far cry from “normal times” when the place might be packed.
How many people get to see a real GP face-to-face these days? Or are they given a telephone interview with a “nurse practitioner”? Or receive a printed sheet instead of a physiotherapy session?
And if operations are cancelled and there is a backlog of non-Covid patients and it doesn’t matter because we have to “save the NHS”, why were the operations necessary in the first place? Either they are necessary or they are not. Either the consultants are negligent suggesting an unnecessary operation or the consultants are doing a proper job, the operation is necessary, and some lockdown-supporting idiot has cancelled it, causing who knows what effect to the poor patient. And if you are an unfortunate patient in hospital, signs on the entrance say no visiting allowed! That’ll help you to recover!
Snowdon: “In country after country, you can tell when a lockdown began by simply looking at the case numbers on a graph.”
I looked at graphs of the cases for 1918-19 flu, 1957-58 Asian flu, 1968-69 Hong Kong flu, and can see where case numbers decline. Only, why don’t the history books mention “lockdown” as saving humanity at those times? Surely cases don’t decline without lockdowns do they?
Snowdon: “The logic behind lockdowns is difficult to refute. If you reduce human interaction, you will reduce the virus’s ability to spread.”
I am sure “proper” lockdowns would work; imprisoning people in individual cells is surely the best way to go! If we do that forever, we’d never have winter flu ever again! As a bonus, no more crime, no more family rows; no more families!
Snowdon: “It’s a zero-sum game in which disease and death is traded off against misery and poverty.”
It isn’t a “zero-sum game”. It isn’t a “trade off”. Disease is a fact of life. Death is a fact of life. These things are inevitable, though yes we can mitigate against catching some diseases. Misery and poverty are not inevitable. Some might be caused by individual life choices, but misery and poverty can also be caused by external policy. And who will pay for the misery they have imposed by lockdown?
Snowdon: “coronavirus is doing what viruses do and spreading rapidly in the winter”.
But if it does what viruses “do” in the winter, why is this particular virus so special we all must hide away from it? It is indeed lethal to those it kills, but Snowdon seems to ignore the fact that most healthy people do not succumb to this virus. Why is the Government advice “if you have symptoms, get a test” and not “if you have symptoms, write your will”? If I have a snuffle, I do my best to carry on. If I felt wretched, I would go to bed and be miserable for a few days. If I were unable to breathe, I would hope to get medical care and not have to wait for a test result before getting it!
Snowdon: “these figures would be much worse if we resumed normal social contact.”
He doesn’t say “might be much worse” but “would be much worse”. Yet elsewhere he says “doubt is at the heart of this phenomenon”. Sigh…
Snowdon: “The logic behind lockdowns is difficult to refute.”
These lockdown advocates really are not human. They seem to inhabit a world where human interaction can be turned off at a whim with no adverse effect at all. I really begin to think poor old David Icke isn’t far wrong. Maybe that is indeed how reptiles and lizards behave to each other. I myself wouldn’t know…
“These lockdown advocates really are not human.”
More or less psychopaths I will say …
“Snowdon: “The logic behind lockdowns is difficult to refute. If you reduce human interaction, you will reduce the virus’s ability to spread.””
Common sense, innit? Obviously the best basis on which to decide to wreck your country
How in the hell does he know how viruses spread?
The evidence suggests it is airborne so anything resembling human existence will spread it
I’ve said it before. The whole basis of Teh Science is nothing more than: “Well it stands to reason dunnit? What are ya, stoopid?”
‘Common sense’ : often common; rarely sense.
Snowdon: “If I blow on a piece of paper it’s going to move away in the direction I blow. The logic is difficult to refute”
Take a piece of paper, hold it with your fingers and blow over the top of it towards the bottom edge. Watch what happens.
Never assume. Always test.
Unless you are a politician or a theoretician
Yes, Bernoulli’s equation.
“Snowdon: “these figures would be much worse if we resumed normal social contact.””
Belarus.
To call these people reptiles is an insult to reptiles.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9224975/amp/Coronavirus-France-rejects-lockdown-justify-economic-social-human-costs.html
“France REJECTS a third lockdown, saying ‘economic, social and human’ cost cannot be justified – but it has infection rate similar to UK – and still rising”
Countries keep saying that but then locking down
Anyway, they’ve been in lockdown since March and continue to be so
143 Brits died shortly after their Covid jabs but vaccines ‘didn’t play a role’, say regulators (thesun.co.uk)
Can someone please start compiling national figures, with graphs and all, for ‘deaths within 28 days of a coronavirus vaccine’?
Indeed, this is a vital comparison to the yardstick being used to lock us all in our houses. Hence why it’ll never happen.
Bit of a coincidence if you ask me!
It could be just a coincidence. It depends on what period is defined as “shortly after”. If it’s “hours” or less than a couple of days it might be suspicious. It also depends on the age.
A Basingstoke care home was the cite of a coincidence: vaccinations coincided with more than a third of the residents dying. https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/19043790.coronavirus-outbreak-22-deaths-pemberley-house-care-home/
So they say 143 dead in total but 15% of that national number occurred in a single care home.
Yeah, OK.
I’m sure we can be confident the Pharma companies and regulators will be extremely thorough in their investigations
The EMA (European Medications Authority) has 23 points which BionTech/Pfizer have to improve on until end of July.
The Pfizer vaccine trials clearly showed a significant lowering in immune response for up to 8days, with the first 3 days the worst.
All easily to read in the paperwork supplied to authorities to get the provisional license.
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When they died of flu it was a tragedy and nothing to do with the fact that they were old and sick. The sods even added hospice deaths into Covid-19 statistics.
A bit of covidian stupidity I saw yesterday.I was talking to a couple of chaps who were trying to remove some graffiti from the side wall of our local PC World,on a twenty feet wide path along the side of the store.
The chaps were taking a breather and were lent on some railings on the opposite side of the path from the graffiti and I was stood,normally distanced,talking to them,when a woman appeared at the entrance to the path and by the way she came to a halt and the look she gave us I just knew she was a cult member.As she approached she started her swerve and to keep safe from us obviously glowing with infection bio-scum she walked in the two feet of space between the workmen’s buckets and tubs of cleaner and the graffiti,therefore walking through all of the solvent chemicals that were running down the wall onto the path,for good measure she also faced the wall as she went by.We wondered how far she would get before the soles on her shoes started to fall apart.
Evolution in Action!.
The Darwin Awards should have a separate section for Branch Covidians
(Sigh…) people are getting worse. Last week our delivery driver turned up with our shopping, nap-free, and very friendly. He kept a minimum distance and we had a lovely chat, and energies were high. He said that so many he delivers to now, are really terrified or really rude, or both. Last night however, our driver, although very polite, treated us like cockroaches. He was fully napped up with a hat pulled down over his eyes. It was dark and I couldn’t make out any of his features. He put the trays on the door step for me to empty, and then backed away, down the few steps outside our door, right down the path, into the shadows, about 12ft away, and stood there with his head turned, no interaction at all. It was horrible. It actually bothered me more that it should. I felt insulted to be honest. Maybe I’m too delicate but one of the reason I don’t go to the supermarket is because I can’t wear a mask, and the somewhat hostile atmosphere makes it a very depressing experience. But I really don’t expect it on my own door step. Is this how they’re being being trained to act now?
Someone’s probably been perfectly horrid to him and reported him, or some such. He might be an ex-pilot, or hotel manager, or restaurant owner; broken by this whole nonsense. I find relentless cheerfulness, kindness and understanding (mostly) breaks through.
You’re right. I don’t know his story. But he made it clear he didn’t want to interact on any level. I literally couldn’t make any conversation with him unless I shouted, and it was late so it could have disturbed my neighbours. My husband was shocked too at his attitude. We both always try to interact with all people we meet, and show empathy, respect and kindness at all times but, more and more of late, I find there is literally nothing there anymore.
Gosh, yes, I hear you. My post wasn’t in any way intended as a criticism of you.
I haven’t snapped (yet), but I can’t abide rudeness. I do concede there’s a very fine line between his behaviour and downright discourtesy. If he had not responded to my pleasantries, I might have told him – in a voice dripping with empathy and concern – that as he’s obviously so concerned about contact, I’ll donate his cash tip to that nice Marcus Rashford or similar.
Yesterday my friend and I stood on the end of the bridge looking at the high water level, at the other end was a couple with their grandchild in the pushchair. The bridge is less than 2m wide, but where we stood the path started and is slightly wider. We were facing the other side. The couple did not cross the bridge until we stepped away from the bridge onto the path.
Bonkers.
Sadly my friend is a go-alonger and we had a disagreement earlier as I had made a comment about swervers, so I did not make a remark to this couple.
council panic .. email received today
“Infection rates have been high in the wards of X & Y in the last two weeks. Testing rates are relatively low but there is a high proportion testing positive.
If you live in these wards, please get tested if:
Aaaaaargh .. we’re all gonna die.
just a reminder .. these are the precautionary symptoms
I have had at least 2 of those every day for the last 20 years .
That just about covers coughs, cold, flu and hanovers. Fecking hell covid has been with us our whole lifetime.
I have a sore throat and runny nose. Just back from a 10k run which I almost hit a PB. Am I dying?
That’s every woman on the blob confined to the house for 10 days every month
So, there was me thinking my aches and pains were due to the fact I tripped over last weekend and my runny nose was just normal for this time of year…….little did I know I might have caught the rona, all despite going nowhere and 2 members of the household testing (always negative) daily, as they work at testing sites.
I know ‘testing is bad’ but one is working in a school and has no choice, the other needs the money. Interestingly, the one working at a local drop in LF test site has had no positive results for several days, despite doing 9000+ tests.
I want to post about the two exceptions to the Cult among our ‘boomer’ friends but I would first like to say how sad it was to hear about the death of Nick Rose. It sounds like he is yet another person who has been failed by The System. We will miss his posts and our hearts and condolences go out to his family.
It was my 68th birthday yesterday. I manage to have a halfway-decent one despite everything; I got texts, phone-calls and cards and my birthday lunch was a naughty toastie – we’re normally low-carbers – bought from a narrow boat and illegally (?) consumed along with coffee on a bench next to the canal. Even better, I had the first ever long, joined-up conversation with our grandson (nearly 10) who is – Granny talking here – a continuing delight.
#1: Today, an old college mate phoned from Sydney. I had posted him and his partner a fairly sceptical email and received nothing back. Well, to my great surprise and relief, he is on our side. He is appalled at the goings-on in Victoria and thinks Perth has gone bonkers. ‘2 million people locked-down for one case!’, he kept saying. It is summer in NSW of course and after a year of nothing the governor has, seemingly out-of-the blue, mandated masks on public transport. He agrees with us that it stinks.
#2: We slipped a ‘back to normal’ postcard in the Christmas card of another old friend. He emailed back to thank us as he’d thought he was going mad!
Apart from them, we know several other people locally and anecdotally who are sceptical in our age-group and demographic.
Also, our daughter (40) was worried sick that she was going to be pressured to have the jab by her employer. Her line manager has assured her that it’s not the case – at least not yet.
Our local butcher’s run by a large extended family. The main person is 40+ ‘Total sceptics the lot. Last week I noticed different people than usual were serving but didn’t think much about it. Today, AlanG went and was greeted by one of the teenage daughters. With a huge grin on her face she told him, ‘We’ve got Covid!’. Apparently nobody’s actually ill. She lost her sense of taste and smell and they must have felt obliged to get tested because of the shop and, guess what?
Itommo’s comment: ‘The root of the authoritarian instincts of the British people appears to be a distrust and dislike of ‘other people’. I agree with this. A clear enjoyment of the imposed isolation is a theme we encounter over and again among our demographic combined with a stated abhorrence for being with other people. Some have told us quite openly they never want to go back to normal. I also agree with Ovis that we are also afflicted by a culture of deference. What a toxic combination!
Anyway, here is my best birthday present: Our hairdresser phoned last night and offered us a ‘speakeasy’ under cover of darkness. Also, a colleague of hers elsewhere in Derbyshire has apparently opened her salon and ours is thinking of following suit. Forward, fellow sceptics! MW
Happy birthday!
Your posts are always a tonic.
Thank you! MW
p.s. Regarding the discussion about hairdressers and grants the other day: ours has received nothing this lockdown. She is now on her uppers. MW
I use a mobile hairdresser and she too told me she receives no help from government.
Likewise. Ours is close to retiring and I think this lockdown may be the push she needs, unfortunately for us.
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Read the thread here:
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/02/05/latest-news-276/#comment-398564
MW
Happy birthday Miriam.
It certainly cheers you up when you come across like minded people, doesn’t it?
This morning, on coming out of Lidl, a woman in her forties, seeing that we were maskless, whipped off her own mask and commented to me that it felt like taking off your bra when you got home!
There then followed a twenty minute conversation with her and my OH and I.
Among other things, we talked about bacterial pneumonia and masks. She admitted that her mask hygiene was poor. She said that we were being gaslighted by the government and that we had all been “played”.
It was wonderful to hear that there are people like her in the world who think that so much of this is just a nonsense. Like us, she is not a Covid denier, nor an anti-vaxxer but someone who has looked at the evidence and come to her own conclusions about the propaganda being spouted and the disappearance of free speech.
It was such a tonic.
Happy birthday Miriam. Your posts are so wonderful, you and Alan are great people who’d love to meet in person one day.
Happy Birthday.
How can anyone test negative in Wales ever, if they use a ct of 45?!
Probably those negative results there only occur with faulty Chinese test kits.
But then, plenty of people have already suggested that the results of the tests are just invented and randomly predetermined.
Didn’t realise Nadhim Zahawi the ‘Vaccines Minister’ was the co-founder of YouGov. Seemed to be a lot of controversy around his very lucrative second jobs a few years ago. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-3823849/How-Tory-MP-s-370k-oil-firm-debts-470m-small-investors-suffer-share-price-crash.html
Oh yes he is, in fact I might have posted that fact on here. His family are also into pharmaceuticals. We are being fleeced like sheep yet the majority continue grazing in blissful ignorance.
So now the winter sniffles,allergic rhinitis and every woman on the blob added to the list of Covid symptoms
You couldn’t make it up
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/coronavirus-new-strain-symptoms-seven-new-symptoms-that-arent-the-e2-80-98classic-three/ar-BB1dogzS
“several cases” is enough for this to be reported as fact.
Yesterday I watched Vernon Coleman and Dave Cullen’s latest videos and found them quite moving. Both are unusually emotional but we too have experienced that same frustration which genuinely resonates unlike the psychopathic Hankiecock tiny tears acts and media-manufactured sobfests over strangers. Especially what Cullen says at the end about people who just won’t listen and if the masses are beyond saving. Depressing but still quality sceptical viewings that really emphasise what we’re up against.
I think they’ll refocus. But they are certainly giving up on society in many ways. When it’s staring them in the face, it’s hard to disagree
Do you have a link?
Vernon Coleman: https://brandnewtube.com/watch/doctors-and-nurses-giving-the-covid-19-vaccine-will-be-tried-as-war-criminals_7tNEBnZogbdlEXu.html
Dave Cullen: https://www.bitchute.com/video/gTHPeNv3EJBN/
Saw a gang of kids on the street yesterday
having fun
Gave them the thumbs up – one had a chin warmer on which I told him to bin
and he did
Good deed for the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1hnvF93hC4
Farmers’ protests in India.- good luck to them.
Note the obvious lack of a pandemic there – no masks or SD.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
7-day moving average of ‘covid deaths’ is 116 in a country of 1.35 billion people
Would equate to a death rate of 5 or 6 pople a day in the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ISFhwSitPQ
The Yardbirds – Jeff’s Boogie
How many decades do the Govt intend to keep the travel restrictions imposed for?
Well if you bear in mind that last March Lockdown was only supposed to last until the sombrero was flattened and here we are in Lockdown nearly a year later that should give you a clue. I’m sure at some point our political class will go on holiday so restrictions may be lifted about then, however the plebs will have to stay home.
They forgot take people heads out of the sombrero before they flattened it.
Haha!
Id heard they were going to make it 100 years.
NZ has said its at least the next 5, but they’re hoping that as people who want to see their family still living in another country die off, demand will reduce.
After people get used to not travelling abroad, the ratchet will continue with gradually shires / cities / hamlets becoming the new restriction.
After all if it keeps people safe.
What makes you think there is a time limit?
That’s it. That’s what life will be like now.
You go overseas, you come back, you are put in self-isolation for 2 weeks.
So you don’t go overseas. You use zoom.
Time to invest in a VR holiday experience tech company.
VR? We need drugs!
Soma.
They’re not mutually exclusive, and IME they’re an interesting mix.
Forever … if we don’t get ourselves new governments.
Honestly, I’m at the stage now where I think the nation’s teenagers may be our best hope to rescue us from this lunacy.
Zoe update
R settled down below 0.8 – lower than what it was after season 1 (0.85) – that’s with a lockdown that seems busier than before and in winter
only herd immunity will do that
So sorry to hear about Nick Rose. I always liked his posts. Given that I don’t know anybody here at all – he’s still the person closest to me that I know has died of covid.
Do you know it was from Covid? I’ve just been reading Hitchens blog and everything is now attributed to Covid.
In reply to you and rockoman above. I don’t – I was just paying a small tribute to Nick Rose whose comments I enjoyed – I know no more than anyone else – but I didn’t think about it too much
Why do you assume he died of covid?
Initial symptoms were loss of taste/smell then later breathing difficulties and lethargy. It was a PCR test. There will be a post mortem as he had no known underlying health problems.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23948436/
From 2013
Olfactory dysfunction with flus and colds.
https://www.raleighcapitolent.com/blog/lost-sense-of-smell?entryid=109&tabid=89
I would add that ‘breathing difficulties’ are associated with many illnesses. In fact, the inability to continue breathing characterises every single case of death.
Healthy people don’t die from a cold or flu …
Yes they do a friend of mine died of influenza aged 29 in 1999
No underlying conditions as far as aware (but you never know)
It can happen to ANYONE! Be scared, over the top scared!
That may be a way to diiferentiate flu from covid.
If you had no underlying conditions, then it can’t have been covid.
a friend of mine died last year – 48 years old. a cold/flu put him in bed for a couple of days. died of a blood clot. anything that lays you up in bed is potentially dangerous, given some bad luck or a propensity.
Poor man. What age was Nick Rose?
He was 54.
Steve, a couple of points
1/ In case you missed it – thanks again for the confirmation of 2m ZOE cases in Spring. I was just wondering if this is consistent with hospital admission numbers given peak winter peak is only about 40% of spring peak (though more protracted)
2/ You recently hypothesised that common cold may be making up a big chunk of ZOE cases. Not sure the numbers back this up. By my rough calculations, i.e
Recovered = Cases (Day-1) – Cases (Day) + New Cases
Recovered represent about 9% of cases – or about 11 days recovery time. Too long for common cold. The 9% is slightly higher than a week or so back but has remained fairly constant. Problem is numbers are revised daily so can’t be sure one way or the other.
Finally, agree about Nick Rose. He made a number a interesting comments. Very sad to hear of his death. I also knew no-one who’d died of Covid until a couple of days ago when I heard about an old mate of mine from the 1960s.
It’s been a rough week.
How do you know your mate died of Covid?
He knows because the Death Certificate said so.
Your comments make me smile a lot rockoman …
Hi Mayo – no problem – I hadn’t seen your thanks before – but wasn’t waiting on it!
I think hospital admissions now includes a lot of people for other reasons ‘within 28 days etc’ – ie massively overcounting. they would have been based on diagnoses in spring
On the common cold. All tests have an FPR as will Zoe. I don’t know what it is but 10% wouldnt surprise me for an online survey for something which gives symptoms very much like the common cold. But whenever I get a cold it takes me about 3 weeks to get over (probably because I used to smoke)
Many people I know enjoy colds or flues for weeks without ever having smoked …
Possibly because they don’t smoke.
Much suppressed evidence that Smoking has a preventative effect:
https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12954-020-00437-5
I’m the only smoker in the house and I suffer from fewer colds than the rest. My partner works in a school and brings back plenty of lurgies every new term (yes, even in 2020) as do our kids, but I rarely catch anything from them. I’m also the only one in the house who takes vitamin supplements though.
Post viral syndrome occurs frequently with the common cold (rhino and corona)
We have all had a cold that refused to shift for ages after the initial bout
which is why I think long-covid is bollocks
How do you know Mr Rose died of Covid?
That’s dreadful news about Nick Rose. Wasn’t he the guy who regularly went to the protests last year and gave good detailed accounts ?
RIP
Yes, that’s the one!
Cant help thinking about vitamin d and wonder just what is going on. One German study has shown a reduction of “cases” by 34% and another shows it could reduce deaths by 14 times.
surely the lack of the uptake of vitamin d despite all the emerging evidence has to be heading into criminal negligence territory now?
As does the HCQ and Ivermectin story. We’ve said it from April. If this was about health a big government push would have went out in Summer saying “Look them in the eyes and tell them that 10th pizza slice is worth it”
Or something sinister enough to scare people into, you know, getting healthy. A la Vit D
“Look them in the eyes and tell them that treadmill won’t walk itself”
Norwegians are good at eating vitamin D and guess what, no increased mortality in 2020 …
https://thornews.com/2012/04/02/norwegian-children-have-to-drink-tran-cod-liver-oil/
Oh, that takes me back many years – we had to drink the stuff every day, it tasted awful! That was in Poland, and it was also called “tran”.
I’m still having it every winter. Not very tasty but hey ho, it’s very good for my body, skål!
Na zdrowie! (Polish equivalent to skal). I remember my Polish grandmother always gave us (my sister and me) a piece of raw onion and a piece of black bread after the tran. I don’t really know why – maybe to counteract the greasy taste, or maybe it was just traditional?
Quite good after a slug of really coarse vodka, too. Makes it hard to tell which is the worst, as any one of the three counteracts the other two!
We were given it as children in England after the war . Cod liver oil and malt- delicious.
Why did you stop?
Less social isolation.
They always have salmon to talk to.
Seriously Vitamin D is important.
Sheldon Cohen – the leading researcher in this area over 35 years – has found that social isolation and psychological stress are the biggest factors associated with reacting badly to respiratory infection:
https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1164/ajrccm/152.4_Pt_2.S53
They are fishy but I’ve had worse company …
Finland is good at adding it to basic foods … no excess deaths.
Japan is good at eating it … and gets more sun than Norway.
Bingo!
This is part of the law of unintended consequences, to protect against skin cancers going out in the sun without any sun protection is verboten, the majority of the UK are deficient in vitamin D, some GP’s recognise the symptoms and advise people to take high doses to correct it, others (and the NHS advice) is to take such a low dose that correction will not happen.
Of course protecting against skin cancer is a good thing but there has to be a balance, the UK’s lack of vitamin D has to play a part in what is happening?
And it likely plays a big part. Vitamin D is beneficial in regard to the usual run of infectious respiratory ailments including influenza. It is likely to be effective for infections of Covid-19, whatever that really is.
The Ivor Cummins podcast on Vit D and viral suppression is the best laymans explanation I’ve seen:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BD_96ybTMNE
If people are taking Vit D at around the RDA of 400iu level then the benefits are likely to be marginal at best.
Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb:
‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….’
‘…a big discrepancy between those dying ‘with’ or ‘of’ Covid 19 (there wasn’t)’
‘second wave a figment of Boris Johnsons imagination (it wasn’t)’
‘cases….uptick….driven by ‘false positives’ (it wasn’t)’
‘…they then asked where are the deaths? (deaths then rose dramatically)’
‘high excess deaths primarily caused by lockdown (they are not)’
He describes lockdown scepticism as a psychological phenomenon known as ‘motivated reasoning’
An article long on (motivated) assumptions and remarkably short on evidence…….
The more the bluster, the louder the sound of chickens on their way to roost…..
‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’
NO. Lockdowns are “radical” – untried, never pandemic policy – in fact expressly stated NOT to do them (still WHO position)
Opposing radical measures is radical? Fine days, eh – the best days of our life …
A lot of sweaty palms in evidence now amongst the commentariat as they begin to conceive the inconceivable…….the idea that they might have got it badly wrong (again)………
…. and, it seems, the more the great unwashed believe!
We will see in May
A big factor in the hotel quarantine charade is throwing their hotel buddies a bung. Every response to this ‘pandemic’ supports big business. It’s awfully convenient.
Yep … those who don’t see that is just plain old d u m b …
Once in place, the hotel quarantine is here to stay for the whole year. Because lockdowns are forever. Prove me wrong!
Wish I could. I very much doubt you are.
The Irish government said last month that there probably will be no travel anywhere until 2022 the earliest..We will follow suit
Yes, and let’s have a guess where the security personnel might come from.
I’ll take a threefer on Serco, Capita and G4S please, Bob.
Yes, that’s right- a threefer that they’re from Serbia, Croatia and whatever other Eastern European dystopias are ready to lend their mercenaries to MI5’s arm’s-length thug’n’muscle outfits which do the securocrats’ street-level dirty work- as they did to Hilda Murrell, for instance.
Have you ever been to Croatia? It’s a very civilised place indeed…. and I’ve been involved with the authorities there too (had a car accident), without any of the bolshy stupidity you get from the coppers here.
Doubtless there are plenty of hard-bitten men to be found there, but then I grew up in inner-city Manchester in the 1970/80s, and that wasn’t exactly ponies and candyfloss either.
The government used hotels to help with the homeless during the first lockdown and this was supposed to end in September. Now they want to throw them a further bung.
Only certain hotels though. Whitbread has something like a £1.2B loss last year compared to 800 million in profit the year before. Premier Inn is taking a beating in general which is a shame as they are fine hotels to use.
They will all be turned into accommodation for all of the fighting age male migrants in designer gear with smartphones ………………….er….i mean destitute refugees
That’s been the case for some years now – I know of at least one Holiday Inn Express (a practically brand new one) that has given over whole floors of the hotel for housing refugees for several years now. Makes for a strange guest experience, I can tell you.
True that. I’ve a sot spot for Premier Inns – uncomplicated and inexpensive without being dirty or uncomfortable, and although they are sparsely staffed, I’ve always found them friendly and helpful.
I wonder if Whitbread would have been in a better or worse position now it’d had hung onto Costa, instead of selling it to the yanks. I guess they got out when the getting-out was good, but the Costa Express business must still be making a pretty penny.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55946912 Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines are safe according to MHRA
Well – the MHRA has just blown its credibility in one easy assertion, hasn’t it?
I don’t think it has had any for quite a long time. ALL surveys/polls/trials are now completely politically driven.
ie they are happy with the risk as they claim risk from covid is far greater
They might be right if the virus was actually far more deadly to the healthy as they claim and there were no effective treatments, which there are…
“This is necessary, because the responsibility is enormous when it comes to injecting a biologically active substance into a healthy person.” von der leyen in https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/05/brexit-britain-vaccine-speedboat-says-ursula-von-der-leyen/ paywalled
The cognitive dissonance for Remainer pro-vaxxers must be enormous right now.
Well done, Ursula.
… or Brexit anti-vaxxers, with the EU doing the right thing whilst the UK piddles about in its toy boat like a flea in a fit…?
If people here throw around worn out propagandic terms like ‘anti-vaxxer’, then I despair.
I speak as someone who has received dozens of vaccinations.
You were ticking people off this week regarding ‘noddy generalisations..’. Welcome to the club.
It`s OK if he does it……
Good point, Rick. I think most brexiters are blinded by the “we’re beating the EU at getting this made and rolled out” angle… I certainly have been at times.
I found this Tweet highlighting an issue with using past data to forecast the future, aka modelling:
https://twitter.com/alfie_stirling/status/1357594526676901888
Alfie Stirling
@alfie_stirling
It relates to something I’ve always thought about statistics in general. As far as I can tell, many if not most people seem to think that statistics determine reality.
My view is the opposite in that, to me, reality determines the statistics. Data might get you closer to the actual outcome than a total guess but as a tool for predicting the future it is at best an educated guess. Nomatter how educated it may be, a guess is still a guess.
It’s been pointed out on here many times that a five year average for excess deaths is misleading because it is an average. Some years will have been higher and some years lower. So it’s perfectly possible for a high year to be no different to a previous year even though it looks like it’s above average.
This is why we shouldn’t put so much faith in statistics and in particular modelling as a basis for predicting the future.
Just as an extra for fun. I learned in school that most people have an above average number of limbs. It took me a while to get my head around it but it actually makes complete sense once you realise why.
Look up Nassim Nicholas Taleb. He expounds exactly your point. Calls out forecasters as charlatans.
I’ve read his Black Swan book which was very good. Unfortunately the man comes across as a complete dick on Twitter.
He is an obsessive muzzler and has tussled with Hitchens and Cummins on the issue.
He even sniffed his own farts by advocating for masks using his absence of evidence is not evidence of absence tool.
He put forward that with masks there are two options: no evidence that masks work and no evidence that masks don’t work. He then runs the probabilities and shows it’s best to wear a mask.
The problem is the logic has two more options for a system with players: no evidence masks cause harm to the wearer and no evidence masks do not cause harm.
What you end up with is either a zero sum game or a negative net result to all players in the system
The IMF for example is notoriously bad at forecasting economic growth. Its outlooks are interesting only as snapshots of current sentiment rather than something to base any decisions on. The dangers of extrapolation. “Torture the data and it will confess” is one of my favourite adages.
“It’s been pointed out on here many times that a five year average for excess deaths is misleading because it is an average.”
It’s not just that it’s an average – but it’s a ludicrously short average for any practical reference of a phenomenon that varies both on a yearly basis and over extended periods.
We then get into the issue of driving whilst looking through the back window.
Laurence Fox’s Reclaim Party has been accepted by the Electoral Commission
@LozzaFox
We did it!!!!! #champagneincoming
https://electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-02/2021%20Party%20registration%20decisions-english%20version_0.pdf
Let’s hope they stand some candidates in local elections (if they happen) so there is at least one anti-lockdown party we can vote for
fantastic!! or should I say at last – it took months, I wonder what was the hold up?
France decides lockdowns can’t be justified after nearly a year. Funny how Denmark came to that conclusion after one attempt and Japan said it was stupid and never implemented one at all.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9224975/Coronavirus-France-rejects-lockdown-justify-economic-social-human-costs.html
France has been in lockdown since March, like the UK, and continues to be so, probably forever
The Swiss join the growing ranks of nations that refuse to accept the UK vaccine….but….. nothing to see here apparently. All politics etc apparently. And the great British public remain in thrall to their honest and capable overlords.
Don’t want to step on the toes of the posts about Nick Rose’s passing so starting a new post rather than replying to others.
There has been mentions today in comments and of course from our government using the term coronavirus. Additional symptoms are continuously added to that of covid which do not occur with the common cold. Why is the common cold referred to as to what it is a coronavirus. Yes a different strain but it is still a coronavirus, one of many.
If I mention to people the common cold is a coronavirus I am always shouted down, the majority of the population believe there is only one coronavirus. I know there are various correct terminologies for what SARS/Covid/Coronavirus should be used but what matters is what the government and MSM feed to the people. If every year we had used the terminology of coronavirus for the common cold and rhinovirus for flu, maybe people wouldn’t be so easily fooled?
Coronavirus is the perfect Freddy Kruger horror virus
Rhinovirus or Adenovirus sound silly
It’s too complicated! Flu is actually caused by an influenza virus (which can also cause colds) and rhinovirus causes most colds, I believe. You are right that the formal language is used to make it all sound more sinister and worrying but the message of any responsible Government would surely be that any type of respiratory infection can be very serious for some people, but most will be fine. I see your point, but whatever the usual habit was they would have manipulated the language used to have the desired impact.
Thanks for the replies, I am very sure I over simplified it but yes you are right the language would have been manipulated to achieve their aim, it probably says exactly that in the documents somewhere to make the population even more fearful.
I really am beginning to feel the manipulation to get such high numbers to control the UK people will backfire big time as the world see us as a plague island.
The word coronavirus used to be on all over the counter cold medications, don’t know if it still is
Yes, the common cold is a coronavirus, stick to your guns.
This is one of many that talk of Coronavirus from 2012.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3416289/
Still getting over the sad news of Nick Rose. It seems strange that although we don’t know others on here personally they all have become friends over the past few months (nearly a year for some of you on here). We don’t know all the circumstances, and maybe never will, or whether it was actually Covid that took him. However it perhaps changes my perception of some of the comments. Covid is very real for those who do get it severely, we must never forget that. Whether vaccines help or not it should be up to everybody to decide for themselves. I am now even more undecided when, as expect, I soon get that phone call whether to give in and get it or not regardless of side effects.
Remember we are all friends on here and we all have differing views.We should all be welcome regardless (even Mayo), unlike in the wild world where anybody who disagrees with the narrative is an outcast.
RIP Nick, your comments on here will remain as a record.
RIP Nick indeed.
On actual Covid-19, or the set of symptoms that is called Covid-19, I’ve always been of the opinion that real sufferers are being given a bad deal. They could have been studied and given acute care rather than being thrown into the broad shapes and generalisms. We saw this with doctors fighting to stop the use of ventilators. And also using drugs to lessen symptoms.
But if anyone with a slight cough or sore chest is now Covid-19 then it just dilutes the real issue in noise. And that benefits no-one.
The world could have easily gone on as usual and at the same time Covid-19 patients treated very well.
Good point. The political manipulation of this disease has no up-sides in the medical sense.
“I’ve always been of the opinion that real sufferers are being given a bad deal.”
The most pernicious bad deal by the “government” was to deny early- stage treatments like HCQ.
“RIP Nick, your comments on here will remain as a record.“
Yes, I only know him as a name from whom I’d come to expect good sense, but it’s always sad when someone dies suddenly. We can only hope he is in a better place.
As I keep saying, those who have dies from covid have been murdered as they were prevented from cheap very effective treatment. Ivermectin and HCQ. Spoke to another C. Zealot yesterday and he had never heard of these drugs. His only reaction was well if they worked I’m sure the government would be falling over themselves to use it. I said they were falling over themselves to cover it up and ban them.
Time we put the pressure on by spreading the word about thee treatments.
THE GOVERNMENT ARE MURDERERS
100% agree
HCQ should have been made a prophylactic immediately
They know it worked on Sars Cov1
This lady is calling for action
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
Good post, and sums up much of my feeling about it.
Having said that, if I’m honest, I’m not sure my perceptions of the comments have changed much. Of course covid is a huge deal for those who get it severely – never been any doubt about that, only what we do about it. Re the vaccine, I’m afraid my opinion hasn’t changed a jot.
I hope the site organisers will find a way of letting Nick’s family know of the appreciative comments on here.
As an aside, Mayo makes some good comments – if we are going to be sceptics, we have to be happy to face scepticism at times.
Interesting development in my workplace. We have been working through the whole period, social distancing and hand washing to begin with, later Perspex between desks, then masked when standing.
Out of a workforce of around 200 in my area, there have been two positive cases (PCR) since this all started and it’s debatable as to whether they were actually real. Both ‘cases’ were likely caught outside the workplace. Across the wider site of 3000 employees, there have been about 15 cases total.
Despite these low numbers, they are now introducing twice weekly LFT testing, not mandatory but ‘a very dim view will be taken’ if people don’t comply. The methodology of this testing means the 200 people within our working bubble, will now randomly be interspersed with the 3000 to get testing. Pretty much breaking their own rules on maintaining distance between departments for the last year.
Makes no sense whatsoever, there are no cases here. Why look?
And the thinly veiled threat to comply, seems a bit sneaky to say the least.
What will the dim view look like? If it’s not mandatory what can they do? Look at you disapprovingly all day?! Woah, scary.
Is medical testing included in your contract of employment? It is an intrusive procedure and by implication is diagnostic. Is it to be carried out by medically qualified personnel who can also do a clinical history-taking and assessment?
Constructive dismissal?
The ‘… and Finally‘ Spectator piece is as fine a piece of credibility hari-kiri as I’ve ever seen.
The strain seems to have got to poor old Toby!
Came across to me as tongue in cheek, i don’t think he would sell out his beliefs just to get into the house of lords, not yet anyway
he was maybe suggesting that unless your arse licking is consistent, you wont get in, but that’s just my interpretation
Yes – but he seems to admit to once reckoning Mr Toad a ‘good egg’. Now that is a litmus test of judgment.
indeed
You could however say that admitting your once strongly held view was wrong is also a litmus test of judgement
Don’t want to make too much of it – but it’s a curious melange of a piece, with scepticism competing with a desire to be recognised by the establishment. That’s what struck me.
Politicians are the worst of humankind, always up to something dodgy, wars, getting the citizens, not themselves to fight them telling them its for their freedom, pilfer a bit more cash then take away that freedom and get them to fund their own freedom with a vaccine passport and vaccines which pour trillions into their coffers. Life is a one big scam
For any LSers in Manchester, there’s a worthy cause in Burnage atm. A cafe opened in defiance of coronapanic restrictions. Police there atm apparently, but customers refusing to leave.
https://kateandluc.wixsite.com/kateandluc
I’m not in the area myself, but my sister is there now.
I’m hoping she’ll be able to get some details for how the owners can be helped at a distance (crowdfunding for costs etc)
Message from the scene at Kate and Luc’s:
Good turnout at cafe today. There were 10 of us yesterday – I would say about 30/35 today. 2 police officers and a council official came but customers declined to comply with their instructions. They stood around outside until the crowd naturally dispersed by itself around closing time (2pm). Official closure notice was served yesterday which says he has to close after tomorrow until the end of lockdown – would be great to get a really good turnout for tomorrow – if we get the word out far enough I think people would be willing to travel, plus it’s a saturday so more people are free during the day. Would be a really great demonstration of the amount of support out there if we can get a couple of hundred people down.
Fighting for their freedom, well done, not long ago the politicians were begging the population to do just that
Well done to them! Only trying to make an honest living
Quarantine hotels and vaccine passports are just two more plates of manure that people will gobble up with or without ketchup.
Reluctance is futile. You will be assimilated.
Negativity is counterproductive. You will come to realise this.
I submitted a FOI request to my local acute trust asking for the number of patients admitted for respiratory problems between week ending 1st September 2019 and week ending 3rd January 2021. I plotted this against the SARS-CoV-2 positive test results between week ending 1st March 2020 and week ending 23rd August 2020 which I had obtained in Autumn last year.
Fewer respiratory admissons in 2020 than in the corresponding period of 2019.
THIS THIS THIS! This is what happened to us. Fell ill in late Oct 2019. Little one was worst obvious symptoms, (fever listlessness and slept). Saw it off in 3 days. We just felt crap but then had symptoms I now know to be “long COVID” with breathlessness fast heart rate, esp at night, pain under my ribs them and lungs which I thought might be emphysema. Agony to turn over in bed. Never went to hosp because I regarded them as dens of filth, (usually use out of hour Gp surgery if I must, but most things fix themselves with sleep and cutting back on carbs).
Anyway, come lockdown, almost all my symptoms bar losing words constantly, and odd nighttime hammering heart were gone, but then my foot went blue veiny and tons of my hair fell out, (often happens to me after viruses). Shook that off and have been mostly fine ever since.
Quite honestly, I think this has been circulating since well before then though.
Where do you live? If I may ask. I’m in Lincolnshire.
I live and work in Leicestershire. Sorry, should have not used an abbreviation. UHL = University Hospitals of Leicester.
I can’t understand it am I some sort of walking magnet for sceptic comments, because at the moment every body I come into contact with is bitching and complaining about lockdown,on and fucking on about not knowing any bastard that’s dropped dead with the Kung flu,on and on that death figures are one big con,on and on it’s all a put up job, honestly being a hardcore sceptic can be hard work I feel more like that aunt Dedrie from that daily rag.. most Brits in favour of lockdown Fucking dream on MSM..
What did I say a couple of days ago and somebody told me that this is impossible and the I’m a conspiracy theorist..Read it and weep
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9227435/UK-government-working-vaccine-passports-summer-holidays.html?ito=push-notification&ci=74668&si=2485224
I did say I will not be able to hold back my resentment when the old yins get there holiday jolly whilst the Country is left in ruins. Sickening…
I have mentioned on here before but this was a plan by the EU discussed in 2018, we may have left the EU but they will still insist we have them to travel.
https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf
Seventeen thousand doctors call out Covid scam:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/V9epnCfRUQxU/
Covid R rate in England is definitely below 1 for the first time since JULY as ONS and symptom-tracker app show cases have plunged by up to 30% in a week with 20,000 new infections per day (Daily Mail headline)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9227503/Daily-Covid-infections-fell-29-week-20-360-symptom-tracker-app-finds.html
Amazing really isn’t it, with all these crazy new variants swanning about the place and us plebs bending, flexing and breaking the rules like there’s no tomorrow – how have cases “plunged” like this when so many people are still getting takeaway coffee and sitting on benches in the park?
Couldn’t have said it better myself, completely counterintuitive to the scaremongering.
Over 200 common cold “mutations” floating around during the winter
How many do you get per year?
2 maybe if unlucky ?
Mercy me how will we cope
I told my Grandson that he needs to get out and about, to meet up with mates and ignore all that the adults in charge tell him. That made him smile, I just hope that he listens to his old Nan and doesn’t become a bedroom hermit.
Apologies if already reported.
MHRA vaccine outcome report for period to 24 January now out. Covers both Pfizer and AZ vaccines.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting
Deaths are reported as 0.002%; which compares to 0.006% of deaths from covid without comorbidities since start of 2020.
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Peer2peer torrent should be able to circumvent most of it
Pirate Bay is still with us after all
Bitchute started out as webtorrent but I think they went down the more conventional route hence the censorship
Good to see the link to Whitty’s statement.
Just sent the following to Will and Toby:
“Will,
Good to see a link on today’s site linking to an article in the Times and Whitty admitting that things were under control foprior to teh lockdown beginning.
The article is dated the 22nd July 2020 so it’s taken you a while to get round to it although I have sent you and Toby (amongst others) the quote and video link below more than once.
Unfortunately the Times does not show the best bit.
Maybe now you have brought it into the open you and Toby can start highlighting it and shouting it about from the rooftops.
The absolutely most important and momentous quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:
“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”
Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the health and social care committee hearing:
https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-
It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.
You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.
Why was he not challenged on this at the time by anyone on the Committee?
Why is this statement not being reported by ANY media outlet until your article today?
This one comment totally undermines and destroys the whole narrative of “following the science” to justify population lockdown and proves Sweden, Tanzania and Belarus among a very few others followed the correct course and 2000 years of medical experience dealing with these types of illnesses was the correct “treatment protocol”.
This, in effect, means that “the virus” infection rate was dropping drastically BEFORE the incarceration of the population started and that the existing precautions – wash hands properly, coughing etiquette, stay at home if you feel ill – were effectively controlling the spread of “the virus”.
It also means that the peak of the infections occurred PRIOR to the population incarceration commenced and as the average time from catching “the virus” to death has been widely stated as 23 days with the peak numbers of deaths occurring approximately 10-14 days from commencement of the incarceration it means that the imprisonment of the population and destruction of the economy has had NO effect whatsoever.
At the same Committee hearing the Chair, MP Jeremy Hunt stated “We all know that voluntary social distancing was introduced on 16 March, and it was made compulsory a week later on 23 March.”
It is ‘guidance” which has NO force of law nor is enforceable in England.
As the Chair of the relevant Committee and a Member of Parliament surely he knows that social distancing has never been law in England? If not, why not?
And why did no Committee member or witness challenge him on this statement?”
Maybe they might start broadcasting this sort of thing a bit more publically.
I know we on here refer back to Whitty’s statement at regular intervals because it has never got the traction it deserves. Probably because most out there don’t understand what it means anyway. Simply put, even at the height of the first wave when the virus was at it’s most virulent the CMO admits that the initial lighter touch measures were enough to bring the virus under control. Consequently a full lockdown was never required. This was then neatly confirmed by real data in the example case of Sweden.
Exactly.
Also the OFCOM Notice to Broadcasters and possible DMSA Notices and social media blocking the posts may explain why no-one would even mention it.
Or “journalists” keeping tehir heads down and not willing to show them above the parapet.
Another perspective on vaccines
CHILDHOOD VACCINES
AN IMMUNOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE
“Illnesses such as Chicken Pox and Measles play critical roles in the development of our immune systems, conferring lifelong protection against diseases such as cancer and arthritis. Vaccinations against these childhood illnesses disrupt the immune system in dangerous ways, even introducing chaos into the amazing structural wisdom of the cytoplasm in our cells.”
~Dr. Thomas Cowan
“I was once an idiot. I once thought that people who didn’t vaccinate were taking advantage of all the people that were. I thought that they were being privileged opportunists, and I was a vaccinating doctor, because I was taught nothing about vaccines, because I had never met an unvaccinated child. But once I met unvaccinated children, and started seeing problems first-hand with vaccinations in my own patients—and started doing my own research—I flipped around 180 degrees. And I’ve known other doctors that were able to do that as well, and some of them, because parents like you have presented the facts to them—quietly, calmly and rationally. That’s key.” ~Dr. Suzanne Humphries
REAL (NATURAL) IMMUNITY VS FORCED (VACCINE) IMMUNITY
The human immune system consists of two parts: the cell-mediated system and the humoral system. The cell-mediated system is characterized by the activity of white blood cells. If you are a pathogen entering the body of a person with a healthy immune system you are going to have a very bad day! Mr. Pathogen will be silently marked for death. Once marked for death Mr. Pathogen will come to the attention of Killer T-cells. Killer T-cells carry out their killing by blasting holes in its target and dousing it with nitric oxide. The clean-up crew have the capability of engulfing and consuming dead and dying pathogens. It’s an awesome system, and we should be doing everything in our power to keep it strong!
Indicators that the cell-mediated immune system is in action include fever & inflammation. Dead white blood cells take the form of pus, and sometimes there is a rash—which is a sign that toxins are being expelled through the skin. Fever, rash, mucus and coughing are all signs of a healthy immune system doing its job—ironically, an unhealthy person may never experience these symptoms, but may die from a disease anyway because the immune system is too weak to fight.
Western medicine will often give over-the-counter or other medications that interfere with or otherwise shut down the actions of the cell-mediated immune system—essentially interfering with the body’s ability to fight off disease. Essentially, western medicine, through its large number of vaccinations, combined with pharmaceutical drugs, has declared war on the cell-mediated immune system in a blatant attempt to shut it down and replace it with a system that is dependent on an ever-increasing number of vaccine boosters. Let’s explain further.
When the immune system is left alone to do its job, as nature intended, the humoral system takes over after the cell-mediated system is finished its work. The humoral system is characterized by antibodies, which attach themselves to pathogens and mark them for death. Perhaps the best way to illustrate how the immune system works is with an example. Here’s what happens when an unvaccinated body encounters the chickenpox virus for the first time. The cell-mediated system clears the invader, along with dead and infected cells. The humoral system forms antibodies that target the chickenpox virus should it ever be encountered again, conferring lifelong immunity on its host! It is beautiful in its simplicity, and has worked to safeguard health for millennia. Interfering with this system has dire consequences—as is now being witnessed in the high rates of childhood diseases. Here’s how vaccines work.
Continued:
A child is injected with an antigenic piece of virus in order to stimulate the production of an antibody (humoral) response WITHOUT a cell-mediated response. But the body often won’t react to the antigen—in other words, without the cell-mediated response, the humoral system won’t produce antibodies against the virus particles contained in vaccines. Remember, these two systems have been working together since time immemorial. So in order to trick the body into forming antibodies, western medicine uses extreme provocation in the form of toxins (e.g. aluminum)—also known as adjuvants. This does indeed get the attention of the immune system, however western medicine also uses acetaminophen, aspirin or other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs to suppress the cell-mediated response. This is an ill-advised approach—for many reasons.
Cell-mediated reactivity, in addition to its many other benefits, is used to clear toxic ingredients from the body. Also, bypassing the cell-mediated immune response with vaccines and drugs only provides temporary protection—which means boosters, boosters, and more boosters—as well as more obscene profits for Big Pharm
I’ve often wondered why sickly vegans and other assorted weirdos proclaim “I never get sick” …….that’s not a good thing
Great Post . So critical for good health
Dr Suzanne Humpries has a great protocol for whooping cough
https://drsuzanne.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Vitamin-C-Whooping-Cough-PDF.pdf
Have a read through this Twitter thread by Eric Feigl-Ding. Then instead of virus and variants replace with humans and any subset of race.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1357566949404905472
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(Example) So here’s what’s going to happen. Caucasians are breeding more than Asians. The higher breeding race is going to dominate and we will all be soon slammed very hard. It is inevitable and Caucasians will take over as the reigning dominant race soon…
The solution to defeating the Caucasians is to chase a zero caucasian approach and slam their breeding rate even lower.
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But here’s the thing. The rise of a dominant race/strain is independent of the overall growth of the species. It’s entirely possible for the species to decline in numbers whilst a dominant strain grows to make up a larger proportion of the species.
Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
Fecal-Dung is a charlatan, and quite possibly mad.
Yes – the extract is full of scientific bollocks.
To him I say so what. I find fear to be utterly crippling to my entire being. Caution yes, fear no.
By Asians do you mean Mongoloids? (don’t have a go that’s the scientific term)
If you assume Caucasian means white, then yes
But Indians and Somalians and Arabs are all Caucasians – so no
It doesn’t actually matter because I just picked some random descriptors for my example.
The Inimitable Andrew tells it like it is.
https://youtu.be/QRb2jE9PKhw
How he’s still on the Tube beats me.
Go it, Andrew!
I think prisoners have more freedom then we do at present. Brilliant
Yes I agree!
First time I’ve seen him – thanks!
A question for those of you who, like me, are regarded as being in a high risk bracket by the medical profession.
I’ve been told, several times by medical professionals, that I should take every precaution and should be shielding.
There seems to be a standard assumption that because you are alive, you have not caught the virus already, because if you had you would be dead. Not once has anyone actually asked me whether I have already had the virus, which of course, gives me a natural immunity. (For the record, I believe that I had it in the first week of January 2020).
Is this a general assumption that applies to all (or at least a great proportion of) medical professionals or is it just me?
I know ‘extremely vulnerable’ people who have not gone outside their houses since last February.
I call that living death, but then, I’m not in that class.
There’s no money in natural immunity
This is a big pharma / corporate shakedown
nothing more
Some of my older friends love these letters from the NHS telling them that they are vulnerable and needs to shield – it is as if they got a medal / badge and they ‘wear’ it with pride
That may be a result of the victimhood narrative that’s pervaded our society for years.
Having some “vulnerability” makes people feel special, different.
I would have hoped that the older generation who grew up before all the praising and worship of victims (unless they’re the victims of crime, then no one cares), and during far greater hardships than in modern times, might be more resilient.
Apparently not.
If you are ‘vulnerable’, then you would be wise to take precautions in a moderate to serious ‘flu season.
But I’ve never come across insane hypochondria and stopping life recommended as a justifiable precautionary measure.
Agreed.
Me neither.
But the propaganda has been relentless, hasn’t it?
Yes; it’s called “Take your Vitamin D3 tablets”. Nothing else is required.
My Neighbour has had two of those letters, stay in your room, don’t share it with your wife, if you haven’t got an en suite then us a chemical toilet etc,etc,etc.
So being the stubborn yorkshire man he is said bollocks to that and he and his wife jumped in the campervan and spent last year travelling the far flung corners of this once sceptered isle.
Life’s for living.
Appreciate all of the replies, but the key question was, has anyone actually tried to even remotely establish a medical history for you before declaring that you were in mortal danger.
I always thought that was the first thing that clinicians were supposed to do in order to provide proper advise.
Not that I can see. The PTB want to have people vaccinated regardless of whether they’ve had the virus before or not.
Normal rules of basic immunology have been thrown out the window.
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1354788047225810944
This is just a psycho, being surrounded by psychos, having the impression that their psychotic views are normal. And so they step out into the world, on a public platform, to declare :
“We are not at the stage where we have a green and red system for what you can and cannot do, yet. But with have a precedent for that because as a surgeon I need to be cleared for hepatitis B”
So this means I need to apply for permission to go out now? Decided by the Ministry of Movement? Based on the fact that surgeons are subject to strict rules to operate on open wounds?
They are absolutely out of their minds now. Its almost as of the goal is to end death and their policy teams just have one metric. Deaths go down so anything is justified.
What kind of world do they want to live in exactly? My god people are thick.
I don’t think these people are thinking at all any more. They’re just following their Covid cult beliefs to their own logical end point. Each new idea is another statue on Easter Island. They simply can’t stop any more no matter what the cost.
V for Vendetta – the Movie and the Present / UKs Hannah Dean Banned from Hospitalshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9RiB0S8LVc&list=WL&index=30
As soon as I get in the motor some wanker on the radio is telling me to stay at home and ‘protect’* the immortal goddess of health in order to ‘save lives’! I’m sick to the back teeth of this transparent propaganda. What the hell is wrong with people? Anyone falling for this bollocks is, and I say this with no due respect whatsoever, a gullible, credulous fool, and they had better stand up and own their utter complicity in all of this when the day comes where they can no longer hide behind their ignorance and laziness.
*What a deity! That’s some national treasure when after all these years and prior warnings it still cannot cope with a bloody virus. But yeah, let’s keep worshipping this incompetent idol!
“Anyone falling for this bollocks is, and I say this with no due respect whatsoever, a gullible, credulous fool …”
Sorry – but that’s just comfort food. It’s far, far, worse.
Many people I know who are partially (I don’t know many who swallow the totality) accepting the narrative are a long way from simple gullibility and credulity.
Remember 1930s Germany – that wasn’t about simple stupidity, even if the outcome was horrendously stupid.
‘Sorry – but that’s just comfort food. It’s far, far, worse.’
Comfort food for whom? I don’t go looking for ‘comfort food’.
‘Many people I know who are partially (I don’t know many who swallow the totality) accepting the narrative are a long way from simple gullibility and credulity.
Remember 1930s Germany – that wasn’t about simple stupidity, even if the outcome was horrendously stupid.’
I’m not saying they’re stupid. You’re confused. I was very careful not to use such a term. ‘Gulliblity’ and ‘credulity’ are not synonymous with ‘stupidity’.
And yes, these people are *extremely* gullible and credulous. Look up the terms.
Food for those who want a simple explanation, and comfort for those who substitute this (essentially self-congratulatory) simplicity for the complex reach that brainwashing techniques have.
No – ‘credulity’ and ‘gullibility’ aren’t synonymous with ‘stupidity’ – I was loosely referring to wider dismissive comments about believers that miss the deeply sinister process that is going on.
I reckon, like others here, that by now I’ve had a fair experience of trying to put over the sceptic case to a range of individuals, and I know that neither credulity, gullibility or stupidity are the problem.
P.S. I do think ‘ignorance’ – in the literal sense (of the basics of analysis) is an essential problem.
‘Food for those who want a simple explanation, and comfort for those who substitute this (essentially self-congratulatory) simplicity for the complex reach that brainwashing techniques have.’
1. Who wants a simple explanation? You’re not furthering the discussion; you’re simply begging the question. Try to stop assuming your position and come up with an argument. If you have one, of course.
2. Define self-congratulatory. You appear to have a problem understanding terms and their definitions.
‘No – ‘credulity’ and ‘gullibility’ aren’t synonymous with ‘stupidity’…’
Then why equate them? Here’s what you wrote:
‘“Anyone falling for this bollocks is, and I say this with no due respect whatsoever, a gullible, credulous fool …”
Sorry… It’s far, far, worse.
Many people I know who are partially (I don’t know many who swallow the totality) accepting the narrative are a long way from simple gullibility and credulity.
Remember 1930s Germany – that wasn’t about simple stupidity, even if the outcome was horrendously stupid.’
1. Firstly, note your use of ‘swallow’ here. ‘Swallow’ in this context means to believe something without much question/objection. ‘Gullible’ means to be easily persuaded, and ‘credulous’ means being ready to believe things without much question. So you’ve already tacitly conceded my point while pretending to object!
You sound like a confused leftist with this abuse/misunderstanding of terms and your misplaced posturing.
2. You *clearly* equate ‘gullible’ and ‘credulous’ with ‘stupidity’. It’s right there in your words:
‘Many people…accepting the narrative are a long way from simple gullibility and credulity… 1930s Germany…wasn’t about simple stupidity…’
Stop posturing and preening yourself and be a man. You equated ‘gullible’ and ‘credulous’ with ‘stupidity’. It’s right there in your own words, and like a snake you’re trying to wriggle out of it.
‘I was loosely referring to wider dismissive comments about believers that miss the deeply sinister process that is going on.’
Pull the other one, son, it’s got bells on.
I’m not denying there is a sinister process going on nor that some have sinister motives. Context is key. I wrote:
‘Anyone falling for this bollocks is, and I say this with no due respect whatsoever, a gullible, credulous fool…’
Note that I specifically say that anyone *falling for*…’ I’m talking about a particular type, aren’t I, Rick? You need to learn to read things in their context.
‘I reckon, like others here, that by now I’ve had a fair experience of trying to put over the sceptic case to a range of individuals, and I know that neither credulity, gullibility or stupidity are the problem.’
Turn it in, you utter bore. Gullibility and credulity are *plainly* factors among a huge portion of those *swallowing* (remember?!) the narrative.
You’re an embarrasment, mate. If you’re going to try and puff yourself up then you had better bring the goods.
So are you saying they are swallowing partially because of the volume of propaganda, or they are afraid to go against the herd, or they have some wicked ends, or are genuinely worried, or all of the above?
My reading of this is that people and institutions have all sorts of reasons for what they have done, but that the overriding factor has been the immense advertising budget that covid has had globally. If it hadn’t been for that, and people had simply been given the facts, explained on context, the kind of restrictions we’ve had would never have been accepted.
Maybe the care home disaster w as contrived to get that short sharp shock in. Ramp up the deaths, close the hospitals and get a massive spike. I don’t know. But as a shock tactic it would create the first anchor for people’s views and that is the hardest to shake. No matter now many stats you show them.
“No matter now many stats you show them.”
The trouble is they have NOT in the main been shown the stats
All most people know is what they see in MSM
Even sceptics I know are pretty ignorant of the figures
Yes, I’m fed up of hearing – from sceptics – that : “less than 1% die from this”
It’s more like : “less than 0.1& die from this”
— ie a factor of 10 fewer.
All of the above, Julian – but particularly that immense propaganda effort (whatever rationale we layer on top).
I’m reacting against the ‘it’s just stupidity’ trope – because plainly, it isn’t. There’s some quite clear psychological strategies being used.
‘I’m reacting against the ‘it’s just stupidity’ trope – because plainly, it isn’t. There’s some quite clear psychological strategies being used.’
Good heavens. You’re dim. Again, I did not say it’s ‘stupidity’, and I was talking about a *particular type*, those *falling for* the narrative. You don’t know how to think in categories do you?
Hilaire Belloc has a flash of foresight:
THE MICROBE is so very small
You cannot make him out at all,
But many sanguine people hope
To see him through a microscope.
His jointed tongue that lies beneath
A hundred curious rows of teeth;
His seven tufted tails with lots
Of lovely pink and purple spots,
On each of which a pattern stands,
Composed of forty separate bands;
His eyebrows of a tender green;
All these have never yet been seen–
But Scientists, who ought to know,
Assure us that is must be so…
Oh! let us never, never doubt
What nobody is sure about!
******
The last four lines were evidently written with foreknowledge of Bozo.
“Whatever happens, we have got
The vaccine gun, and they have not.”
OMG, I remember learning that when I was about 12 for an elocution exam! I’d forgotten all about it.
“What might permanently shatter the COVID spell? Maybe it’s already happening, a combination of mass demonstrations with a steady stream of the one’s and two’s who have said enough already: a family’s defiant walk in a park, or an unmasked elderly couple waltzing in a public space, or an individual computer programmer developing an “algorithm for liberation” that challenges the censorship of counter-narratives, and undermines the titans of Big Tech.”
https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/05/you-never-know/
The only things that might bring about mass non-compliance at this stage are pulling the plug on furlough, or not lifting restrictions once everyone below the age of X has been offered the jab. I think lockdowns and their orchestrators will get the Haig treatment (not The Hague unfortunately); lauded in the immediate aftermath but damned in the history books.
Haig won the Battle of Amiens which effectively finished the war; (finally) a combined arms attack brilliantly carried out by Rawlinson and Monash.
‘“I told Rawlinson,” Haig recorded in his diary, “to begin studying in conjunction with General Debeney (commander of the French First Army) the question of an attack eastwards from Villers Bretonneux in combination with an attack from the French front South of Roye. I gave him details of the scheme.” (17 May 1918)
‘…..the collapse of Germany began not in the Navy, not in the Homeland, not in any of the sideshows, but on the Western Front in consequence of defeat in the field.”
The Battle of (Amiens) August 8th was a triumph of the planning and method perfected by Monash and the Australian Corps; of the co-ordination and cunning of Rawlinson; of the valour and efficiency of the British artillery and tanks; and of the courage, initiative and dash of the infantry of the two Dominions, revelling in the war of movement that had come at last.’
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/battle-amiens
Probably as brilliant a victory as Blenheim, Austerlitz, Salamanca, Sedan, particularly in view of its effect on the future of mechanised warfare but:
‘Today the battle of Amiens is almost unknown to the general public. As the British debated how to commemorate the war in 1919–20, it became clear that there was little taste for triumphalism or celebration of victories. Instead, they placed a cenotaph (‘empty tomb’) at the heart of their annual ceremony of remembrance and mourned their fallen.’
https://www.historyextra.com/period/first-world-war/amiens-battle-facts-first-world-war-history-remembered/
It took the Somme, Third Ypres and near-disaster in March-April 1918 in the German attacks to get there.
George Orwell already noted in the 1930s that memories of the victories of 1918 had faded and Haig, who had died in 1928, was seen as a butcher.
Marlborough at Malplaquet, Napoleon at Borodino, Wellington at Waterloo, Manstein at Kursk; probably all great commanders have to have the capacity to be butchers.
But yes, you are correct, and that is also my point, that Haig was never really lauded, and would not have wanted to be either, despite winning one of the greatest, innovative, ground breaking, victories on the battlefield of all time.
I think you’re right. Those currently in power won’t change their views, but their successors will criticise them.
The comfy work from home crowd need to hurt like the working class
Do stop boring and stupidly resentful generalizations that are the mirror image of Covid idiot pronouncements. They remind me of the stuff coming from the Tooting Trot Wolfies
I tend to go for a similar dog walk on Friday’s and today was no different. Same time, same day, same place and the same weather, yet there were considerably more people out and about, plus more cars on the road. Not scientific at all I know just an observation!
Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb:
He says:
‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….’
‘…a big discrepancy between those dying ‘with’ or ‘of’ Covid 19 (there wasn’t)’
The truth is, he has no clue:
‘Data from the four nations are not directly comparable as methodologies and inclusion criteria vary.’ (Gov.Uk)
‘Our definition of COVID-19 (regardless of whether it was the underlying cause or mentioned elsewhere on the death certificate) includes some cases where the certifying doctor suspected the death involved COVID-19 but was not certain. For example, a doctor may have clinically diagnosed COVID-19 based on symptoms, but this diagnosis may not have been confirmed because no test was available, or the test result was inconclusive.’ (ONS)
‘England has had 36,695 deaths using this definition as opposed to the previous reported 42,072 – a difference of 5,377′ (CEBM)
Internationally? ‘ For daily reported death figures, there is no international consensus on methods.’ (Gov.UK)
All prosecutions under new Coronavirus Act unlawful, review finds
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-act-unlawful-prosecutions-review-uk-a9516566.html
That’s great. Can we see some light at the end of this very dark tunnel now?
Some if this is old news. Still good news, however.
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb:
He says:
‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….second wave a figment of Boris Johnsons imagination (it wasn’t)’
Oh dear!
COVID-19 Fatalities 16.7 Times Too High Due to ‘Illegal’ Inflation
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/covid-19-fatalities-167-times-too-high-due-illegal-inflation1
In other words, they were lying.
Now who else does that remind me of?
Gosh, Annie! The list is enormous! I frankly can’t think where to start, unless we being with the unholy four Witless, Unbalanced, Pig Dictator, Ferguson of the Pantsdown.
Then there’s Handoncock … I’d better stop there, if I don’t, I’ll never finish.
“This is the most important statistical revelation of this crisis,” according to a study by the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge (IPAK), as it reveals that many “COVID-19 deaths” may have been due to other causes.”
Which is precisely the impression many of us have had since March/April.
Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb says:
‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….second wave a figment of Boris Johnsons imagination (it wasn’t)’
He’s wrong again! And let’s remember, this bozo writes for the business pages……
Yes – absolutely. Against a suitably long-term max/median/min measure, the period up to the new year was unexceptional (as your graph shows) – and certainly not a ‘wave’ comparable to April.
Early January had suddenly higher mortality than might have been expected, but not above the long-term maximum, and we still have to see that in context.
The one problem with ONS all-cause data is that we pay for its accuracy with a delay.
Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb says:
‘‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….….cases….uptick….driven by ‘false positives’ (it wasn’t)’
entirely disregarding the Transport Secretary’s Kent blinder
15,560 lorry drivers tested in Kent 26 Dec 2020 at the height of ‘Kent covid’, 36 positives
None of the people who died rang up to complain so the vaccine is fine. That’s official
No one is allowed to question the government, the SAGE, or the vaccine producers!
Achtung! Das ist verboten!
Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb says:
‘‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….then asked where are the deaths? (deaths then rose dramatically)’
He’s wrong again!
I think they are just thick. Or they don’t have any desire to actually question the reality.
Yes, a not to be dismissed as far as winters go. A pandemic?
“I think they are just thick.”
No. As said – that’s just comfort food.
I watched the Wizard of Oz with my (nine year old) son this afternoon – seeking to make the best of the enforced home schooling I’m introducing him to some classics. (Last week was the Errol Flynn Robin Hood). We both enjoyed it immensely. A joyous, funny, wise and optimistic story, unpatronising and devoid of cynicism. Our debased and exhausted culture is simply incapable of producing anything this good.
There are a lot of obvious lessons, too, for our current situation. The Scarecrow was already clever and the Tin Man already had a heart, but they needed to be given trinkets to fool them into realising this. Likewise, we are already as healthy and “safe” as we have always been, but the majority of us now seem to require our own Wizard of Boz to present us with a mask and a needle that will trick us into remembering how to feel that way again.
And like Dorothy, as a society we possess the power to return home in a heartbeat. We need only close our eyes, tap our heels, and speak the magic words: “there’s no place like the old normal.” And we could then look around and find out that we have been there all along – we just needed to wake up.
funnily that’s not totally incompatible with the collective insanity theory I just posted above.
These stories are based on archetypal characters and formats that resonate throughout all of human knowledge. The trauma of Dorothy losing her parents, and going into the wilderness to confront demons, and return, more able to see the good in the world.
It’s there in every single Disney movie you watch. Lion King rams it down your throat its that obvious. The recent Frozen films follow the same path. To love you must first hate.
In a similar vein, pop songs are very often reminiscent of nursery rhyme melodies. These are not by random. The notes and frequencies resonate with us in a way with feels like a connection. Music is talking to you but at a more fundamental level. Through feeling and intuition.
Those who craft such movies and songs are often just copying what wnet before. But I do think many actually know exactly what they are doing when they create these works. They are engaging us in a spiritual message.
They are trying to poison our innate humanity.
I know the conspiracy theories.
But is this possibly some form of collective insanity? I say that because the stuff coming out of the UK government seems to become more absurd and divorced from reality every day, and yet a large proportion of the population accept it apparently unquestioningly.
There is certainly a large element of collective insanity.
If one wants to be reasonably sure of ‘conspiracy’ then one needs reasonable evidence of foreknowledge, or something which points to forelnowledge.
Do you think we have that?
Furthermore:
Is there a motive?
I have seen some hints of it but it’s difficult to know what to believe. Or, perhaps, difficult to belive something so monstrous is occurring. It’s bad enough if its driven by panic, incompetence and ass-covering, positively terrifying if deliberate.
I am certain that there are people in the elite taking the opportunity to further their own aims. not least Princess Nut Nut.
The climate change lobbyists want exactly what’s happened to the world economy, i.e. cessation of international travel, flying, cruising, etc, except for the chosen few such as John Kerry; an end to capitalism…
CV19 has achieved in a year what the climate change lobby has been trying to do for years.
“It’s bad enough if its driven by panic, incompetence and ass-covering, positively terrifying if deliberate.”
I think it could be both.
The evidence of foreknowledge is enormous; you just aren’t looking in the right places. I have seen commentators saying that this was on the way since 1990.
Event 201 in October 2019 simulated a pandemic and its response.Organised by Bill Gates,John Hopkins University and the WEF.
I can’t prove a conspiracy but it’s undeniable that governments are using this crisis to further certain interests and prolonging the crisis.
That is the definition of a conspiracy.
Whether ‘insanity’ is the best term is debatable, but induced delusion it certainly is.
It illustrates how perception can be shaped – a real Derren Brown performance!
No push back and voluntary acquiescence.
It doesn’t seem hard to set up a cult,the staged events every evening, the radio and tv adverts, the repetition, all part of the government BIT unit strategy.
I reckon that is the reaction most of us feel.
“It doesn’t seem hard to set up a cult”
Well … getting all that in place is the hard bit. Neither you nor I could put that infrastructure in place.
But once the mechanism is there ……
And have the money to pay for it all…..
Most people believe in the institutions that govern us. They haven’t yet realised that those in power don’t give two farts for us.
Yes, maybe the human race goes collectively fucking mad , and waits to see what happens then rearranges the furniture…
Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb says:
‘‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….high excess deaths primarily caused by lockdown (they are not)’
But he didn’t bother to read the Amnesty International report, did he?
‘Via its Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf?kd5Z8eWzj8Q6ryzHkcaUnxfCtqe5Ddg6=
Remind me, when did you, or anyone else, read the DT Business Section………?
One example:
Looking at the US it is clear when one looks at the different jurisdictions (states) and their differing responses to the WHO pandemic declaration, that the March/April mortality spike was primarily caused by lockdown and its associated ,measures.
More generally and internationally, one sees that spikes in mortality are clearly associated with jurisdictional boundaries. Since a virus cannot tell where one jurisdiction ends and another begins, it i clear that human intervention was responsible – ie lockdown measures,
“the March/April mortality spike was primarily caused by lockdown”
Highly doubtful – although added to by bad handling of Care Homes, and possibly some other deaths related to a reluctance to seek treatment.
‘Primarily caused by lockdown and its associated measures’
Any common cold virus, and probably there would have been more than one, introduced en masse into care homes, would have caused a similar mortality spike; known about for years:
‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/
And deaths in care homes were also very high in New York and Michigan. Both states, and possibly more, had CV19-positive patients sent into care/nursing homes.
Which is why I’m not sure that what happened in this country last March wasn’t an accident or an oversight.
Is it just me or is LS increasingly following the news rather than setting the sceptical agenda? Hope it’s just me!
I’d welcome some news from Israel. Yesterday the Times of Israel was reporting that although 90% of the population had received a vaccine shot and over 2 million had received both shots (covering all the vulnerable population who can have the vaccine, given Israel’s population is about 9 million), the virus was still running rampant, the R rate had actually increased again, rising above 1 and hospitalisations were still stressing the health service.
How does the above square with the vaxomad propaganda in the MSM?
Similar picture in UAE, mass vaccination followed by tightening restrictions. Cases in India are essentially zero , but MSM still bleating about miracle vaccines.
Reminds me of Sweden. The msm couldn’t wait to bleat on about the disaster it was as soon as any death occurred then explained it away when it didn’t. Here we have, “oh look the vaccine work”, then, “oh well, give it three weeks”
The 7-day death rate in Israel is now going up again, and is now almost back at its December high.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
Israel has had half a dozen lockdowns as well.
They’ll probably just shoot people now to get the numbers down and prove the vaccine works
Vaccine Macht Frei.
Yep – Sherelle Jacobs at the DT is another back-slider, now losing her grip on reality!
It’s not just you. Toby Young was hoping/wishing to be appointed to the House of Lords several years ago when Cameron was PM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDPdLsFPkc – this is just so fucking depressing. curse you tube for putting it in my feed! (and now I’m spreading the misery to you)
Just no, Jane
Save the Earth
Most people obviously don’t give a flying duck about their nappy addiction.
The Gretatarians don’t give a flying fig about pollution
Just their magical C02
Ah yes, yet more of Greta Garbage.
They are all tied together. Greta’s been duped. Willingly.
Tut, tut: that is supposed to cover the mouth!
It’s great for trawling fish.
It’s bloody criminal
Jesus wept -does Ferguson still run the bloody country https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9228617/Boris-faces-Tory-demands-drop-curbs-amid-SAGE-warnings.html
“However, the competing pulls that Mr Johnson faces were underlined this afternoon as the government published stark modelling from Prof Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College.
Considered by SAGE on January 14, the paper assumed that there will be a phased easing of lockdown between March and July, and warned that a ‘rapid ramp-up’ of vaccinations to ‘at least’ 3million doses a week is ‘critical to avoid exceeding national hospital capacity after the current wave’.
The government is currently maintaining around that level. But the report added: ‘This would still lead to an additional 130,800 (103,200 – 167,600) deaths between now and June 2022.’
The Imperial team suggested that its findings meant ‘a more cautious approach to gradually lifting (lockdown measures) may need to be considered than the ones modelled in this report.’ “
May to July have the most daylight hours so should be safe to lift lockdown IF it was about health.
Ferguson has been wrong on every prediction he’s made, plus he should be out of the picture after his booty call, what has he got on Johnson.
Bill gates and his money bankrolling Imperial.
At the end of this Imperial should be demolished and a peace garden take its place
Soft soothing voice… or should it be Vincent Price?
“This isn’t just modelling… this is ‘stark modelling’.”
I have a Twitter thread to show to those of you who don’t feel sufficiently angry enough yet today.
https://twitter.com/DrDomPimenta/status/1357251903105740802
Top 10 reasons why reopening soon is BAD! 3 of them are just the word MUTATIONS.
This guy has been infested with mutants – is he also a zerocovidcultist?
Given that he ends off his top 10 with a quick “If we show patience we can ERADICATE this disease” it is safe to say he is part of the cult.
We’ve only ever eradicated one virus, smallpox, which involved a massive worldwide vaccination programme.
I assume the smallpox virus is a fairly stable one, which was why we could eradicate it.
To do the same with a respiratory virus that already has thousands of mutations out there, with a vaccine that’s not even finished full clinical trials, is the height of delusion, in my opinion.
You’d have to stop all international travel, no holidays, etc, for years.
So much for “we have to remain in the EU so we can travel freely.”
The smallpox virus has also mutated centuries ago so that it can only survive as a live virus in humans, so there is no risk of reinfection from animals or the environment.
Yes and the first vaccine was developed more than 200 years ago I believe….
A million and a half people die of tuberculosis every year.
Till the next mutation comes along…
Definitely not a mutant Ninja turtle.
He’s a sick man.
Variant mentioned 6 times I counted there. And the backlog to the NHS now thrown in as a reason to punish kids still further.
That was the most laughable thing. We must lockdown because the NHS backlog caused by lockdown threatens to overwhelm the NHS. What a narrow minded clown.
That’s great, I’ve written it down for future use as an example of an absurd pro-lockdown argument.
Exactly the same excuses were used for Canada, where they’re now quarantining people arriving in Canada in secret facilities, with night time curfews in Quebec, and a ban on cruise ships docking at any Canadian ports until February 2022.
When the cruise ships finally get back in the groove we should invite all the people who put us through this hell to take a trip on the deep, blue sea. Then throw them all overboard in shark infested waters.
Not bad, he says “insane”.
Number 9 is a strange one. NHS waiting list is 100 times longer than last year so we should keep holding so it keeps getting longer.
FFS is this maniac just pulling made-up statistics out of his arse now or what?
Maybe he has a cavernous arse?
Isn’t that the prat who Ivor Cummings took down back in September? And the one who appears in The Telegraph articles wearing his muzzle and an oxygen monitor?
Anyone up for Shots?
And Kim is surely now the only man with a Korea for life!
When the government of the day allows mad science to experiment on real people, you get Mengele, Ferguson, and Lockdown. It’s for your own good.
You forgot Fauci.
so transparent. not only so stupid that each “poster” says exactly the same thing, the posters all seem to be football fans (i.e. something footy related in their names) and i cannot believe football fans would ever say something like that
My town is buzzing, bright sun and everyone out, no masks in the street, eye test without a mask, also the young optician. We’ve got to fade out of lockdown, while the government aren’t looking.
Been trying to find a way of explaining the end game to my wife, fade out of lockdown is probably the best I’ve heard yet. Cheers Dan.
Its his war, his victory, its Churchill all over again, uncanny
Plenty of masks in my town, but an increasing proportion below the nose. I think it’s a reflection of of the recent slight dialling down of the fear factor in the media (government adverts notwithstanding). It goes to show how easily the masses are manipulated.
So now even the scientists think schools should be open, yet Boris has said March 8th, so it stays.
What happened to “schools will not stay shut a second longer than necessary”?
The only possible reason now is pride, mixed with fear of angering the unions.
So instead he floats the idea of longer days. Yes that’s what an entire generation of deschooled, fearful kids need, more intensive work. The exams are gone, but why not keep them locked up a bit longer, then just cram it all into long days. What could possibly go wrong!
As a teacher and a parent, I would have no problem scrapping or reducing the holidays, but schools must open NOW.
Also, what happened to following the science? Johnson does not want to look weak, which is a concern that is a hallmark of a politician who is in fact weak.
The government have spent a lot of money on msm to get them to produce the ‘correct’ response, paid bots all part of the service.
Had a poke about on a BBC comments section earlier. The one saying that the MHRA report that the vaccine is completely safe. What a hilarious and scary place to go. Here is a selection of my favourites (I promise not to do it again too soon):
I can see them tapping away on their keyboards and claiming their pittance for doing it, what a job.
Roll, Britannia, Brits, roll up your sleeves:
Make a fortune for the vaccine thieves.
Patriotic duty.Ive never felt less patriotic in my life.
Patriotism is, as we all know, the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Oh yes, one thing the government definitely hasn’t done enough is support big pharma!
Fucking 77th.
I bet none, not one of them have heard of Ivermectin.
Have you got a link to this comment section, I would like to make a comment about the cheap, well known cures, ignored by governments. I like to spread the word.
Good luck and prepare to be downvoted – here’s the article https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55946912
Downvoted, fecking hell I’ve been held prisoner for the last 11months, being downvoted is the least of my worries. Thanks for the link, here goes.
Ok I’ve posted this, It’s time to start shaming the government on this. Let it be known
Just a shame the UK regulator never saw fit to use, cheap, well known effective treatments that have been around for 60 years like Ivermectin, HCQ, zinc and Vitamin C&D. It literally would have saved thousands of lives, much like it’s doing right now in India and most of Africa. I guess no profit for the big pharma’s if these drugs were used. http://www.c19ivermectin.com
Timed at 16:37 please feel free to all tick me up, or comment about these as well. No point preaching to the converted here.
Definitely 77b on there. Some replies
Aah credible evidence from trials. Like the non existent trials from Pfizer and others.
These drugs were being used as long ago as April. They’ve had months more data than any vaccine trial, but done fuck all about it.
Destroy big pharma. Medical mafia. Public Health menace.
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
Well, I read a few comments and they all seem to fall into the “seriously uninformed and seriously over-opinionated” category.
I suspect it won’the get through but worth a try!
Go here for numerous international papers supporting the efficacy of Vits.C&D / Zinc / Ivermectin / HQC ….. Swiss Policy Research – Swiss Policy Research (swprs.org)
For the love of God. And we walk amongst these people (or used to).
Yes – my strictures about avoiding the ‘stupid’ label obviously doesn’t apply to self-certified morons.
Horrifying. Brave of you to look though.
I fancy this may strike many as a strange thing to say. But it is a fact that in my life ‘a fever’ only ever appeared in american films and tv. Always assumes to be a vague term to portray some sickness in a melodrama. A cowboy falls of a horse, bumps head, a fever ensues with damp towel. A lady has a turn and becomes unwell, a fever scene develops. Never in all my young life was a fever used by anyone to describe anything. No one in 12 years education ever had a day off due to a fever.
What is a fever?
I agree. We normally say ” have a bit of a temperature”, meaning you are a bit hot and cold.
yes, oddly enough, if you have a fever you are sometimes shivering, with your teeth chattering. i suppose it means your body’s thermostat has simply gone haywire.
7 7th?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Brigade_(United_Kingdom)
army squaddies carrying out propaganda duties on line
BTW loved the commenth about locking people up. These comments are so contrived they can only be influences or 7 7th
I am banned from the BBC HYS…thank God……it reminds me what a country of morons we live in…..
Patriotic duty? Insane stuff.
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
Haha, got to give it to those squaddies: what they lack in morals, they more than make up for with their imagination – some of those are hilarious!
Latest from here
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
All being well another 3 weeks and there’ll be no excuse Boris.
Not that I think there is now by the way.
Ah, but there is always the fergusexcuse!
An excuse for a man, certainly.
And for having an OBE; but maybe that means Outlandish Bonkers Extrapolations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Ferguson_(epidemiologist)
From the same source, a couple of weeks ago this map was entirely red.
Doesn’t matter. They want stop now until it is zero.
It’s probably Kin Jong-Un sending the tweets.
Or the CCP.
Maybe it’s Boris? Or Princess N N?
I’ve seen this data presented as a ‘pie-chart’ by @RminatorDan but I thought it might be better as a bar chart so here it is.
If you were wondering what the likely level of misattribution might look like here it is.
Just as an aside, the excess deaths in UK hospitals over the 10 months is about 23,000, given that there are about 2,000 hospitals in the UK that works out at 1 extra death per month per hospital. Now I know it doesn’t work out like that & I feel for the medics on the front line but I do feel there’s a large element of lions led by donkeys.
More good work – except the use of the meaningless ‘excess’ term, Nick
It’s not exactly meaningless.
It’s just that one should know what one is using.
Like other useful tools it has to be used with enlightened intelligence . and not reified.
As Rockoman says, it isn’t meaningless as long as it isn’t taken to mean what ‘should’ happen.
I’m being thick but I don’t understand this
How are you defining “excess”?
Where the numbers are negative, what does that mean?
From memory I think all cause mortality last year was roughly 100,000 up on 5 year average. Is that correct? How does one get from that figure to the numbers on your chart?
As far as I understand it, the negative figures are those deaths from other causes that should be in the data(according to a 5 year average) but aren’t.
That’s what I thought but then if you add up all the numbers it nets to a fairly small number – much less than the total “excess” deaths in 2020
Yeah, I was just thinking about that there. I am probably wrong. We’ll both have to wait and see what Nick says!
Who is @RminatorDan, Nick?
Whoo is jb12?
The person who asked you a question so he can see your sources. Is that ok?
Same post but for clarity I’ve changed the commentary to read ‘missing’ non-covid deaths, hope that explains the -ve numbers more clearly.
I think the key take-away from this is the very small number of covid deaths at home. The ‘below line’ bars showing non-covid deaths in hospitals and at home are typical of normal years , 40%+ at home. But covid deaths at home are negligible.
Also non-covid deaths in care homes are far lower than normal.
One reason for these; PCR tests given in hosptals and care homes, everyone with any sort of respiratory disease at all, whatever their main ailment is officially a covid death.
Turn PCRs off or amplification down to 25, and deaths revert to usual pattern.
Total excess would still be slightly raised from recent trend, but nothing particularly unusual, put down as ‘bad flu year’. And we move on.
But that was never the plan!
You have explained this whole sorry mess in less than 10 sentences. Yet people still want to wallow in misery about self inflicted pain over Covid.
You just can’t get the quality of bot these days. One would have thought they’d know the difference between your and you’re. AI isn’t what it’s cracked up to be.
That is because it is artificial intelligence. Not the real deal.
In case anyone fancies a gig or concert this year (or probably any year), they might want a read of this:
https://www.mixmag.net/read/health-passports-music-venues-trlal-uk-club-news
If you can get drugs into a club you can get in without the yellow star of health
Amazon will probably be selling them like exemption lanyards.
So now you have to take drugs just to get into a club?
very good
Just say no. Let them go out of business. Tough luck.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus////country/united-arab-emirates/
7-day incidence of death has turned markedly higher in UAE.
Are they vaccinating or massaging the figures to justifyd the UAE being aded to the naughty list for those social influencers enjoying themselves while working?
I doubt it in this case.
I know they have approved the Pfizer, a Chinese and a Russian jab but if they have started a mass campaign I don’t know.
It was purely voluntary a while ago.
It’s an optional avccine but Emiraties, tehir families, over 60s and the vulnerable group (the ill) can walk in to a centre and get it free – started Dec 2020.
They also approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca one.
Population, under 10m; PCR tests over 26m. You keep ‘looking for it’ , you’ll find it.
Thailand population 70m, PCR tests just over 1m, deaths from covid less than 100.
I wonder how many Politicians own these hotels?
I wonder how many politicians are owned.
I don’t wonder how many politicians are simply stupid.
Many have skeletons in the cupboard – that’s how they are controlled.
Probably more than those who own hotels.
I just sit and wonder to be honest…………
Scotland England border checks not ruled out by SNP ministers
Health Secretary Jeane Freeman said that she wouldn’t rule out checks on the border, while Deputy First Minister John Swinney said Scotland was looking for a “big and effective obstacle” to stop people travelling in from England
PropagandaLive if you want to read more
The SNP is loving this. Just taught my students via Zoom and we were discussing how the SNP continues to do so well in the polls despite dreadful failures in domestic policy. If Sturgeon gets through the supposed ‘investigation’ into the Salmond affair, she’s likely to win the May election. It’s likely to be the most divisive in the history of devolution.
What were your students’ conclusions?
They seem to think Scottish independence is all but inevitable. They may be right, but I’m not sure about the timetable. I’m not sure Johnson will be UK PM for that much longer, and this change would have some impact on Scottish opinion.
Independence come. Hard border come. English free money stop. Scotland buggered. End of.
This. The idiots cannot see it coming. If something doesn’t happen before this runaway train gets into the station, all these pensioned furloughed selfish. ………….. ( Fill in the blank my imagination isn’t up to being inventive except to swear) will get the biggest shock when it crashes and burns taking with it the money they think is their right.
Thanks. I have to agree, I just hope Stalin doesn’t stay in long enough to see it.
Do SNP ministers know how big and porous the England/Scotland border is? Do they have any idea how many people it would take to secure the border? Has the Scottish government conducted/published a cost/benefit analysis?
The SNP doesn’t check into anything! The party doesn’t let reality stop it from talking shite.
I’m sure they’d have been the first to call out Trump’s wall. How would this be any different?
Trump’s wall which, incidentally, was started by Bill Clinton. Which the BBC doesn’t seem to mention much.
Let’s be cRRRRRystal cleaRRRR. Make no mistake.
Fuck sake we’ll have a DMZ zone like North/ South Korea at this rate.
They’ve got a big and effective obstacle, It’s Turdgeon. What sane person would want to come within her orbit?
I partly joked this morning about selling up and moving to England but this is no joke, they really are considering zero covid as why else would they attempt to close the border now, nearly 1 year after this shit show started. What big and effective obstacle could they get to stop us, as in what other threat can they use? 865 positives today
865 in a population of 5.46 million people spread over 30,420 sq Miles.
I don’t know how much more of this I can take. I’m surrounded by sheep,cowards and ostriches.
Please Scotty beam me fkn up.
ONS again:
How many weeks now it says the same about increased deaths over the previous week in this age bracket? 4? 5?
Yep! but the covid vaccines are safe, honest guv.
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
the great reopening manchester cafe claims victory
https://youtu.be/DcjAVtY6cJM
Telegram group etc for more. I don’t know the ins and outs. A friend was there.
Good start to the weekend. Nice one!
The council guy turns up with a man city top on. What a fucking joke can he not dress himself in work attire.
was he the council bloke? i thought he was just some gobby city supporter.. I think he was full track suit. Might have been Kevin de Bruin calling in after training for a Bacon Sarnie.
I did notice that the police unusually were not being total arses. Maybe they never got the briefing memo
As far as I could hear the fat twat said “we’ll let the courts decide” and I am sure I heard someone say council worker and two police officers.
Apparently legal advice is being sort/accessed. With a common law specialist. I realise that is vague but that is the update I have.
This is the one I posted about earlier.
Apparently they’ve received a “Premises Closure Warning” with the threat that, if they continue, ‘we may make an application to close your premises down’, rather than the “official closure notice” originally mentioned.
If you’ve any advice for them kh, based on your own experience, I can probably pass it on to them.
Good stuff Mark. Apologies I didn’t see earlier post.
No need to apologise! More exposure more better….
All the garbage they have ‘served’ on you will be declared unlawful before long, and I’m hoping you’ll get massive compensation from your unspeakable, persecuting, Fascist council.
The trick to avoid paying any fines seems to be to opt to go to court rather than pay. This has several effects, first the prosecuting officer has to do a lot of paperwork to expedite the process, then the case has to be assessed by the authorities to see whether it is worth pursuing it (I think the Crown Prosecution Services is involved) and then if it gets any further it is put into the court system which has a massive (and growing) backlog so it may well be years down the line until it is considered.
Definitely refuse fine and say will go to court. CPS are throwing vast majority out.
If this nightmare ever ends, I can see any outstanding lockdown cases being pardoned, like Vietnam draft dodgers were after the war ended.
Good to see Robert Dingwall, who has consistently been a voice of sanity in this crisis, once again pulling back from SAGE. It seems that a gap is now starting to open up between those officials who want to pursue a zero Covid policy regardless of cost and those who recognize such a policy would effectively turn the country into a police state. More and more people are pushing back against the restrictions – just look at the amount of traffic on the road – and the rebellion will grow as the fatality figures fall further. There is an important battle looming and I do honestly believe that SAGE will be on the losing side.
good post. I hope you are right. The politicians have a chance to follow whatever science they choose – so lets hope they get a choice
have you got a link to what Dingwall has said?
Apologies for the late response. Robert Dingwall was quoted in today’s Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/04/boris-johnson-overcautious-keeping-schools-closed-march-8-say/
Yes, my 83 year old rebel mother drove down to the Cotswolds yesterday for an overnight stay with my sister. On to Oxford today to collect a rescue dog, then back home to the Midlands. She reported that the traffic was very heavy
traffic was heavy all round Buckinghamshire last couple of days. I have no idea where people are going as everywhere is closed – must be to each others houses
The traffic in South Shropshire, North Worcestershire, South Staffordshire and the West Midlands county was the busiest I have known it for months.
The traffic has been as normal throughout the whole of lockdown. The idea lockdown has stopped the progress of the virus is laughable.
The authorities have been and are in denial (Big time).
Daytime traffic normal in the West Midlands. After seven it’s a ghost town. There must be lots visiting friends and family as there has been nothing open for months. We normally stay over now when we visit people – dinner and a bottle of wine is closest anyone can get to a night out.
Another day in the (half) life of Ivan Covidivich.
Today wasn’t too bad. Very nice weather here in East Anglia, sunny and mild. Lots of people out and about, children playing by the river etc. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens if we get a very early spring.
It was pleasant enough here in the West Midlands today as well.
Hmmmm, good point. I live on the Hampshire coast and it was flippin’ heaving from May -> Sept. last year. Never seen it so busy. Ever. I suspect even busier this year, especially if – as you say – we have an early Spring. I don’t mind, by the way, and looking forward to seeing my neck of the woods shamed in local/national rags.
Remember also that foreign travel was much easier last year in the spring and early summer. It will likely be much harder this year which will mean even if they ban hotels and B&Bs from opening, many more people will taking days out in the UK. If schools are still off, that will add to the numbers even more.
Such a brilliant book.
As We Said. They’re Telling You. Carl Vernon. 3 minute video.
https://youtu.be/93eAt7KaQAA
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
Yes. Keep sharing this one.
I recalled a poem which I think is relevant to those of us trying to cope philosophically with the possibility of perpetual lockdown and totalitarianism. It was written by a Royalist imprisoned during Cromwell’s rule, which must have seemed a very bleak time indeed.
Stone walls do not a prison make,
Nor iron bars a cage;
Minds innocent and quiet take
That for an hermitage.
If I have freedom in my love,
And in my soul am free,
Angels alone that soar above,
Enjoy such liberty.
(Richard Lovelace, 1618-1657)
Noble sentiments. But in Lovelace’s time, nobody had incarcerated the entire population. There was a free world outside his stone walls.
And as far as zombies are concerned, the stone walls and iron bars are in their heads, enclosing the grey mush that passes for a brain.
I think that’s what Lovelace is saying though – he means that even though he is in prison, it is not the bars and the walls that make it is a prison, it is the mental attitude of the inmates. Millions are in their own homes but living in the ‘prison’ of Covid. Those of us on here may be subject to lockdowns, but our essential spirit cannot be imprisoned. Blake said something similar when he referred to ‘mind-forged manacles’.
Minds were in a different kind of prison. Matthew Hopkins was persecuting “witches” during the same time period.
Prisons at the time were not designed to be long-term although some people were indeed in them for a long time. For the most part prisoners were either released soon, executed or died of illness in custody – indeed, “gaol fever” was a thing and I have read of one assizes pretty much being taken out en masse because prisoners who had it were brought before a judge and most of the courtroom soon succumbed to the disease.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtg96ewiLyk
Fairport Convention music to the above
I see that Poland is opening up more from 12th February. Hotels can open to half capacity, ditto cinemas and theatres. Swimming pools open. Shopping centres open, although with restrictions on numbers in shops. Restaurants must stay closed, but can offer takeaways. Outdoor sports like golf allowed. Not sure about masks or vaccines though. Still better than what we have!
My friend in Poland tells me skiing was banned. But the politician who made the rule was caught on a skiing holiday and lied and said her kids were in a ski club – in reality she was there with her friends
same the world over
“My Prime Minister”
Said no-one in the UK… EVER!
The Queen is allowed to say it.
LOL! You and your facts, Edward.
Do I detect a big back bench rebellion rumbling or a potential leadership bid coming.
EU published comic from 2012:
https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/4cc2ea93-d003-417e-9294-1103a6ee877d
A bit prophetic just like this TV show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY6-HvE5YdU&feature=emb_logo
A vets probably!
It’ll be in gel form I think if that’s the route. I know people have tried to get it sent from S America and have had it stopped by customs.
New tactic? Post-covid???
Up to 100 UK children a week hospitalised with rare post-Covid diseaseExclusive: 75% of children worst affected by paediatric inflammatory multi-system syndrome are BAME
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/05/up-to-100-uk-children-a-week-hospitalised-with-rare-post-covid-disease
OK ok you win. Keep the schools closed forever
Turns around at the door “Oh, and by the way; you’re all redundant”.
The slightest hint that the schools are going to return and this filthy rag comes out with this nonsense.
just saying what their readership want to hear
And a lot of teachers read no other publications.
According to modelling by doctors at the Evelina, cases will peak next Monday and then start to decline.
What modelling can tell them this? At the bottom of the article, a little bit more sense than the headline..
It remains rare, and we don’t think parents should worry, as it is far more likely not to affect their child than to affect them. The numbers are low and [PIMS] would not be a reason to keep schools from opening
More gutter press, from the supposedly great gold standard of journalism.
You gotta give them credit for the mileage. I don’t think I could keep this fear campaign up like they have even if my life depended on it.
I have huge respect for all the teachers who post on here, and to those who are working hard (and there are many), while (just like their pupils are) being used in a poltical game.
Give the Guardian, Smarmer and the Unions what they want! Offer all the teachers the vaccine; do it during the upcoming half-term…
…and watch them refuse it in their tens of thousands!
What do the Guardian, the Unions and the Labour Party do then?
They can’t even be bothered to make up a name that sounds like it isn’t a third rate work of fiction.
Its called Kawasaki’s disease in actual medical circles. It’s not new even if they pretend it is.
This was mentioned in the papers several months ago. The MSM reports then were that covid was triggering Kawasaki Disease in children. However the Kawasaki Disease Foundation (I’m not sure of their precise name) immediately discredited these reports by saying that in fact the number of KD cases since the pandemic had begun was well down on the expected numbers over the same time frame and they had concerns that children were being misdiagnosed as covid cases and not receiving the correct treatment for KD.
Oh FFS give them vitamin D.
How many more 10,000s have to die or be disabled for life?
Probably lacking vitamin D.
A vet? Might have to tell them you need it to treat your pet for worms, though.
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Thanks, LS.
Fixed your link: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/573209
Parliament doesn’t debate petitions any more.
That was from the democratic era. This is now the totalitarian era.
Oh dear : Brexit – the irrelevant whinge that’s keeps giving whilst the burglar comes in the back door!
Irrelevant to whom, you – the posturing prick who cannot think in categories?
Well, indeed!
I just had an interesting conversation with my daughter (currently a ‘stay at home’ student – and hating it).
I just got in and she told me there was a message on the answering machine from the GP surgery, asking me to make an appointment for the vaccine. She asked me two questions:
1. “Are you going to take the vaccine, Daddy?”
2. “Do you know what is going on?”
First question was easy:
1. “No.”
The second: not so easy.
We discuss on here BTL, and there are many debates on Social Media, about what is actually going on: Is it the WEF? The Great Reset? Is it all about control? Lizards? Big Pharma? Is it just about the politicians stealing billions?
I never lie to my daughter and answered as honestly as I could:
2. “I really honestly do not know, baby.“
That is honest – and right. There’s a lot of things going on.
Thanks, Rick; I appreciate that.
I feel quite emotional reading that. You don’t need to know what’s going on. You need to love and protect each other more fiercely than you ever have. Protection is so easily confused with control. But they’re opposites.
And don’t get vaccinated. Your health matters, and nothing worthwhile is so easily achieved.
Neither do I know. But it is either a case of collective madness, or a massive conspiracy, or a case of collective madness that is being exploited by vested interests. I suspect it is the latter.
Although I honestly don’t know either, I’m pretty sure it’s not lizards.
I’m not ruling anything out now. Personally, I hope the aliens invade better than this shit show.
I’m to the point where I would actually help the invading aliens.
You can never be 100 % sure
Well, some of the attitudes coming out of the most rabid zealots are not recognisably human….
You should be very proud your daughter is asking these questions. My whole family whilst sceptical to an extent are not willing to ask what is really going on.
My close family are all 100% against lockdowns – some like me have looked into it a lot and thought about what’s going on, others just instinctively saw through it without thinking about it very much
It’s a peculiar time : my most vehement arguments are actually with my son, who doesn’t believe in most of what is being done, but thinks it’s all just incompetence. He finds it hard to attribute anything to venality.
Maybe that’s for the best in his case. The idea of corruption and malice is certainly not pleasant.
like my daughter. I think she just doesn’t have the depths of cynicism to be able to fathom the evil at work here
Right answer. But all we can do it point them in a direction we think is right. The politicians who are doing this to us have children and grandchildren of their own – so don’t they CARE about anyone else’s?
Or is it just a case of ”survival of the fittest”? (And it’s sad to think they are the fittest to survive in this world – but, then, they’re the ones who’ve created it. How fiendishly clever.)
I was researching narcissism a few weeks ago. It is estimated that 1% of the general population would be clinically classified as narcissists. As I know from personal experience, narcissists care for no one over and above themselves, not even those who to you and me would be called your ‘nearest and dearest’. They genuinely think the whole world revolves around them as an individual and have no understanding of empathy or compassion. The political world is, I am sure, one that attracts narcissists. That being so, they would have no qualms sacrificing the futures of their own family members to achieve their own aspirations whether that be wealth, fame or social standing.
the politicians are just useful idiots. when the evil powers manipulating them are done with them, don’t you worry, they and their loved ones will be thrown under the bus along with the rest of us
Have you asked the lassie what she thinks is going on?
I did, Annie. It was discussed in her class the other day; big deal for the kids as it’s a Travel & Tourism course. She said the majority of her friends thought it was about stealing money, seeing your mates right, etc. Who am I to argue?
I’ll tell you all what, though; her classmates and all their friends, like most students countrywide, I suspect, hate it, don’t trust anything the politicians say, and are desperate for it to be over.
My heart goes out to these kids. That said; I wish they’d get on the streets and do something.
That’s certainly a big part of it – cui bono etc.
I have been asked that and usually reply, ‘there are quite a few theories, aren’t there?’ This works quite well at teasing out who’s a zealot and who’s a bit more informed/open minded.
This morning I talked to a neighbour who works in a care home; she said there had been a number of deaths there recently. It was not known whether the deaths of these elderly people had been caused by covid, the vaccine or sheer despair at being isolated and unable to see their family and friends.
In addition the ‘inmates’ had been looked after by many strangers, due to the permanent staff having to go into periods of isolation. The agency staff often came from over 60 miles away in England, were sometimes non-native English speakers and obviously did not know the residents or the routines of the home.
It must seem to many of the residents that life was simply not worth living!
Its a tragedy, just hope someone pays for this
Don’t be ridiculous.
This lady is calling for action.
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
I have friends, or parents of friends. I am glad my own aren’t alive to see this – and it’s the first time ever I’ve been glad they’re gone.
I feel the same. My dad had dementia, but he recognised us to the end and literally lived for our visits. The thought of him being put into solitary confinement is dreadful, I don’t know how the relatives can bear it.
Same here. My mother died in January 2020 after 40 years of MS. She was, fortunately, cared for at home, but it would have been awful if she had survived into this new dark age, with her carers wearing masks, etc. I’m so relieved that she’s not here for this dystopia.
same here, my dad died in 2016. he was born in 1938, on the verge of WWII, and it seems, he bowed out on the verge of WWIII
Kindly add Motor World, the car parts chain to “the list” I went to buy some fuses for my car and was told by the manager to “put a mask on or get out” Said I was exempt but he told me he didn’t care. Amazon is so much cheaper, hope Motor World goes bust, again
Bought it on themselves.
Well once it’s clientele have carked it from a cytokine storm following pathogenic priming, after vaccination, we can dance on its grave.
Good. We need to share details of companies like this. Is there a site?
Didn’t care he was in breach of disability discrimination law?
My son sent me this version of an Exemption Card.
Printed it. Laminated it. Given a few away
Very grateful to whoever posted it (your good self?). It’s Kryptonite to muzzle marshalls
Are they prescription only? Have you looked up the Zelenko Protocol?
BBC news says that 57% of people are stopping at home.
I would say that is about right.
Massive exaggeration, imho.
I agree – for many, apart from compliance, there’s not much to go out for.
If the hedge jumpers are going out, what kind of mess are the 57% likely to be in!?
Ahh, just realised, 57% are leaving their phones at home
Or 57% of people never downloaded Trap and Trace.
You said it, PP.
What, permanently? Still living on tins and packets and that shrivelled thing that’s been lurking at the bottom of the freezer cabinet for the past five years or so?
Hopefully, Annie.
You’ve seen my freezer, then?
#StopNewNormal-SaveLives Campaign.
Piers Corbyn.
The democratic system in the developed world has shown itself to be hopelessly flawed.
There is massive collusion going on between governments, concealed from their electorates…..to cover their various backsides….that is the real IT revolution………
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
That is what is going on……..
‘Another bad day for science.
Three days ago, we asked the editorial board of Eurosurveillance for the status of our external peer review, which we submitted on Nov 27 last year.
Yesterday we got a reply. This is what they write:
“After careful evaluation and taking into consideration the guidance
from a group of five experts in the field, we have decided not to consider your submission for publication in Eurosurveillance.
Please note that and anonymised version of your submission was made available to the reviewers. Reviewers, however, noted that your manuscript was already in the public domain. They informed us about this and opted to name the authors for the purpose of the review to avoid ambiguity.
We are sending the reviewers’ comments below.
Please note that editors, peer reviewers and authors shall not share any documents relating to manuscripts under consideration nor to those that have been rejected or accepted.
With kind regards,
The Eurosurveillance editors”
After this introductory letter, I was hoping to find the comments of the five experts.
Normally, a paper is reviewed by at least TWO peers, usually THREE.
In our case, there was only ONE!
https://retractionwatch.com/2021/02/05/on-covid-19-pcr-testing-paper-the-criteria-for-a-retraction-of-the-article-have-not-been-fulfilled/#comment-1900040
Local elections have always been used as a wake up call for British governments. We have those elections on 06 May
‘England confides………’ Horatio Nelson
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
Jab persuaders coming to your home..Oh I can’t fucking wait please lord let them come..
If they do come, I hope you post a full report of the visit here, for us all to enjoy,
Alice it will be my pleasure.
I’ll do what I do to any other religious zealots who come knocking. Tell them I’m CofE and close the door!
Been reading about the invasive PCR tests, and how some medics think they’re harmful. We haven’t heard much about this, have we? Yet surely someone unqualified sticking something way up your nose (when this act is what we fear for our children and we’re told not to do as adults) is NOT a good thing?
In 11 months or more – why hasn’t someone come up with something that is a non-invasive test for something so simple (or so we’re told)? I really DO wonder….
Yes I certainly agree with you it’s reckless behavior,I was just watching the Huggo talk’s post on screwtube, about the vaccine persuaders that to is unbelievable certainly desperation is setting in here…
There are saliva tests in use just not here.
The unpleasantness, endangering of your health and your personal denigration is the whole and sole point of the useless PCR test.
As other BTL posters have remarked previously, you have to ask yourself why they have to go invasively ‘excavating’ so deep for tell-tale virus fragments that it is claimed we may be asymptomatically shedding every time we breathe out. Presumably they are looking for people who may be asymptomatic asymptomatics!
a friend of mine who had to have one in order to get a flight had a severe sinus infection within 24 hours, which lasted for 2 weeks
Please do let us know
Wear the mask… and film it!
Not on this occasion,I want them to see what pure hate and contempt look like..
yeh, sock it to ’em, Bruce! and give ’em one from me!
Don’t suppose you can borrow a suit of armour for the visit? “You’re not jabbing me just try it – this armour’s 4 mil thick!” A mace would be a useful accessory to add to the drama.
A roll call of just some of the post-vaccine deaths and adverse reactions, starting with the latest – three young health care professionals in Italy.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/45-year-old-italian-doctor-in-the-prime-of-life-and-in-perfect-health-drops-dead-after-the-pfizer-mrna-covid-shot-39-year-old-nurse-42-year-old-surgical-technician-also-dead/
The real killer pandemic….
This lady is calling for action.
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
Film suggestion for the weekend. Doubt there’s anyone here who hasn’t seen it, but the oldies are the best.
“Get busy living, or get busy dying”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46GwJbrMghQ
Superb film
Best ever
I have it on DVD somewhere I’m sure but film night tomorrow at Feargoeson Towers will be the first of the dystopian ones I have ordered recently (from the list someone (one of the Steves?) requested and collated: THX1138.)
Child Mental Health Week apparently. And the kids have not been given any homework this weekend for this reason. You couldn’t make it up.
Hmm – surely giving them homework helps their mental health? I work full time so I have a focus which helps stop me going crazy. Other close family members do not currently work and are desperately depressed.
I feel for your family and am trying to support family members in the same boat. Fortunately mostly sceptics. I’m also fortunate to work full time but feel like I’ve hit the wall this week.
I hit the wall 8 months ago Tom. I envy you!
Ignored this week’s TxT message from rNHS telling me to come for vaccine. Next, they sent me (70) A BIG SHOUTY LETTER IN HUGE FONT because I’m automatically blind and stupid. I’m going to tape it to my baseball bat and wait for the personal visit.
Good for you James
ONE THOUSAND AND FOURTEEN DEATHS TODAY!!! THAT’S 1014!!! 1-0-1-4!!! 4 DIGITS!!!
That’s the 6 o’clock news summarised.
So lower than average for this time of year, surely?
At least two thousand people die in the UK every day in Jan/early February.
NO CONTEXT GIVEN!!!
DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS!!!
Clever of “them” to keep back 15 reported deaths till the Friday so the magic four figure kill can frighten the credulous all weekend.
The Guardian: UK keeping research on link between vitamin D and Covid under review.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/05/matt-hancock-orders-third-review-on-link-between-vitamin-d-and-covid
But Handoncock said this was fake news months ago! I’m shocked!
In the old days, if a matter was ‘under review’ it was something awkward and the civil service wanted to get rid of it.
That was in Yes Minister days. Maybe the language is still the same.
The Guardian: Is Rishi Sunak the most dangerous man in government?.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/05/rishi-sunak-government-pandemic-chancellor
The author is Sam Bowman – executive director at the Adam Smith Institute. He appears to be part of the zerocovid cult.
Chunt !
As much as I hate to admit this, I agree with Rishi about them moving the goalposts.
Seems quite an uncontroversial observation to me.
The goalposts were and are constantly changed.
It started with the switch from ‘save the NHS’ to R under 1′ back in April.
When he/we accepted that, he/we were toast.
Could the Guardian be getting worried there will actually be an ousting of Johnson? Sunak is a favourite to replace him and would change the narrative hence trying to discredit him?
Yep. imo. same reason (possibly) for the recent attacks on Sir Desmond Swayne – it’s not like it’s the first time he’s railed against the Government, he has spoken out several times previously at some length for months, remember he threw the “Dr Strangelove” comparisons at Bozo?! Maybe serious murmurings are afoot in the corridors of Westminster… The 1922 are not without history, of sticking it to their leaders when they feel like it!
This is seriously unbelievable.
spot the problem?
Read the article if you can…..
“Now I am really breathless. I am on steroids and antibiotics as I am asthmatic anyway“
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/pregnant-mother-forest-dean-who-4966420
Hmmm. I’m concentrating hard and I’m hearing voices saying something about steroids, antibiotics and asthma. Does that mean anything to anyone in the room?
I think you are on to something with that observation Jo….
that is what I thought also.
I wouldn’t bother about reading the comments, the brainwashed sheep are all calling her an idiot etc….Nobody has pointed out the small matter of her being Asthmatic in the first place….
Well firstly, it’s asthma. Secondly money on she’s just had her flu and tdap so she’s actually got patapetussis. She’s going to feel like shit long after her “covid infection” goes. She’ll also be more likely to give birth by C-section to a hyperactive child with adhd.
I see that she wasn’t considered to be seriously enough ill ‘with covid’, especially given that she is pregnant, to even be admitted to hospital. Oh, sorry, I see that she refers to herself as being on a ‘virtual ward’ as she gets the occasional zoom call from a GP. Clearly someone desperate for publicity who, I would wager, has never based any of her supposed anti-lockdown views on any science.
My brother in law (a socialist twat) and my sister in law are really happy because they have had the vaccine, should I piss on their parade and ask will they still need to wear a mask, antisocially distance, are they immune, can they infect ours, travel etc? So what was the point of the “vaccine”?
Definetely, you have to do it subtly. I go with the “i’m surre I read somewhere it doesnt stop transmission” “there was definetely an MP on the TV that said we’d still have all the restrictions” “I think it only reduces symptoms”
It’s the subtle snidey comments that are the most effective.
Yes. Revel in it.
Absolutely Yes.
The vaccinated have to follow the rules. Do they not know this?
be kind to them – they probably won’t be with you for much longer.
Van Tam certainly said this year, writing in the Telegraph (I believe) that those vaccinated would absolutely still be required to wear masks and social distance, for a lengthy & non-specified period of time. Vallance clearly said just recently that those vaccinated in Dec onwards, it is ‘not safe’ for them to see others outside of their immediate household.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wisconsin-s-legislature-repealed-gov-tony-evers-mask-mandate-he-n1256805
It’s a fight to the finish, folks.
So disappointed in Mr Johnson, he said he hated BIG government, and look at him, BIGGER than any of them
If he said the sky was blue, I’d look up to check.
No need for that in Cumbria, It’s always cloudy and raining
This was posted on LS earlier today, but I thought it worth re-posting the link as I was unable to find the article without it:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13956949/143-brits-died-covid-jab-but-vaccines-safe/#comments
Of course, these post-vaccination deaths could be coincidence, but I can’t help but feel that under normal circumstances this would be a big story.
The rule is: you get a PCR positive, you die within 28 days for any reason – from terminal cancer to a falling meteorite – and you died of covvie.
You get the snake oil, you die within 28 days, it can be for any reason whatsoever except the vaccine.
Stands to reason, dunnit?
This lady is calling for action.
Essential viewing
https://youtu.be/T3DNV7v5i74
Indeed. For the benefit of other BTL readers here, she was inspired to record this video after she viewed Dr Vernon Coleman’s distressing video from a few days ago.
Rachel Elnaugh is an entrepreneur who featured on the investors’ panel in the first two series of the BBC’s Dragons’ Den. For that reason alone I think she could have some sort of influence over some older people who might remember her and would be prepared to regard her as someone who is astute and not the archetypical ‘anti-vaxxer’ or ‘anti-lockdowner’.
Very impressive.
The link to the report is here. It’s very vague and one sided throughout.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting
The MHRA has received 107 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 34 reports for the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine and 2 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Presumably this means there have been some deaths in young, healthy people. Why else would it say ‘the majority’. How many?
The evidential double standard is blatant. Deaths with twenty-eight days of a positive test are Covid 19 deaths. Deaths shortly after receipt of a vaccine are not vaccine deaths because they might be coincidental.
And they talk about lots of deaths that would have occurred naturally after the vaccination in any case in the next 7 days, but fail to point out that there is a massive selection bias going on which invalidates that comparison. Someone who is seriously ill and potentially within 7 days of death isn’t going to get vaccinated surely. So they should be comparing with sudden on the spot natural deaths in the next 7 days such as fatal heart attacks or fatal strokes.
Hi all. Not new here, but never got round to posting. I have a conundrum, and seeing as all my friends and family are completely ridiculous, you all are probably the most sensible people I know. I would appreciate some unbiased opinion.
I am currently in Dubai, with my family, for work (unfortunately I’m not an influencer), but I used to live here before the “pandemic” and coming back a month ago to do some freelance for a former employer was the only way to make some money after the the last year completely destroyed all of our savings (no furlough, no self employed grants available). We were planning on returning to the UK at the end of Feb, but the announcement of the quarantine gulags has given me this dilemma:
Return to horrible High Wycombe before the hotel quarantine scheme is operational, but at least the kids can go back to school.
Or, stay in Dubai, absorb the higher living costs of being here and paying UK bills, tell the schools we will continue studying at home and hope to ride out this nonsense for another 3 months on the assumption that when we do come back, the hotel scheme will have been parked, and that borders will still be open to be able to travel back out to the Middle East if we run out of money again.
Thoughts?
Just my view but I would come back. My reasoning, you are going to need every penny saved you can for whenever you return to the UK as financially it is going to be bad, so do not waste the money on the high cost of living in Dubai. Secondly, the government may take longer to get their great quarantine hotels sorted you could creep in before it supposedly goes live.
Either way do what is best for you and your family.
Personal choice – I’d stay in Dubai and ride it out. I suspect it will be more than 3 months before they lift the hotel quarantine, and if anything will probably enforce it more widely as per NZ/Aus.
Alternatively you could stay on and continue working and your partner return with the kids to uk and schooling etc – but then run the risk of unknown length of time being separated, assuming you have a partner with you there of course…
I would go wherever life seems like it will be best in the short term, for you and your family
I suppose it partly depends on how likely it is that schools actually do open, and what they are like, and whether it is primary, secondary or both
Just concentrate on doing what LFC pay you for, okay? Your current location in Dubai explains a lot about the impact you’re having on a match when JK sends you on. Minamino was no worse, and that’s saying something…..
Tricky one. I would be tempted to stay in Dubai simply because of the better weather. The one thing I would definitely say is don’t separate your family – keep together because if things do get worse, you don’t want to be separated. I know somebody whose other half is basically trapped abroad and can’t get back to him.
Maybe I’m a fool, but I continue to believe that we’re living through a period of mass delusion that cannot, because it is so grossly disconnected from reality, perdure. I can’t believe the hotel quarantine thing will last long: it’s so obviously completely mad, from every point of view other than that of the Zero Covid crazies.
Yes, I think the same. And that’s why last April I was sure it would be over by June, and then by September, and then … and here we are.
We’re talking mass hysteria here. As I’ve written here before, the closest historical analogy I’ve come across is 17th-century witch hunting. And with those examples the hysteria eventually burns itself out (although it rumbles on at a low level for a long time afterwards).
At what point does it burn itself out? I’ve read in particular about the 1682 Bideford (North Devon) and 1693 Salem (MA) witch scares. It seems to me that they only stopped once, with the scare escalating and drawing more and more victims into its vortex, the society as a collective unconsciously realised that it had to stop before they were all destroyed, almost that enough blood had been let already to atone for whatever maggots had infiltrated their minds. They couldn’t consciously accept that they’d been mistaken and what they had been doing was wrong, rather they were terrified at where they were going if the process was taken to its logical conclusion.
But I am unsure where we as a society are in that process right now.
And in reply to divoc origi 19: I’m afraid I really don’t know. How do you pick a way through insanity?
My instinct would be to go with the high stakes option. At least if it goes wrong you can feel good about yourself afterwards.
These mass attacks of lunacy always abate. It is just taking a bit more time than expected.
it definitely won’t last forever, that’s a certainty – but it will only end over a pile of corpses, and if you can avoid it being your corpse, or those of the people you love, then you should absolutely do that
I’m not sure why anyone, after almost a year of this insanity, thinks the quarantine hotels are temporary. I’ve stopped saying things like, “They wouldn’t do…” or “They can’t do that as it would be a breach of our Charter rights.” They will do, they have done, they will continue to do, and we have no rights any longer. Look at Australia — they are not allowing their citizens to return at all and many have expired visas from wherever they’re now stuck. If they allow citizens to return, it’s very few at a time. I listened to the Computing Forever fellow (Dave Cullen) yesterday and the bits of Leo Varadkar press conference during which he said there won’t be international travel this summer and almost certainly not during the Christmas season this year. He even said the word indefinitely. Make of it what you will, but if you can’t see yourself spending an indefinite period of time in Dubai I’d get the heck home. I hope I’m overreacting, but with people being basically kidnapped from international flights coming into Canada, I decided to bring my daughter back early from another province because I don’t trust that they won’t pull the same forcible “quarantine” shit on Canadians traveling between provinces. Thousands of Canadians who spend winters in the US and have homes there left under one set of conditions and are now having to decide whether to wait it out and hope this forced quarantine is temporary, or pay the $2,000 per person for a forced PCR test and 3 nights in a “hotel.” Staying outside of Canada for longer than 6 months puts their health care coverage at risk so it’s not an easy decision. Let us know what you decide…
I’d stay there. I’m ready for this hotel quarantine thing to be the biggest shambles of the past year. It’ll never last.
nobody not currently in this shithole should ever dream of coming [back] here. if you don’t like Dubai, go somewhere else, somewhere in the third world, Tanzania seems to be run by a good bloke atm, but all that awaits you and your family here is death or the gulag.
As long as you can continue to work there, I would stay – is my opinion.
This is a crisis of overindebted Western welfare states. Keep out of them as much as possible.
As JaneHarry mentioned, there are a few other havens outside the west.
I realize this is all very difficult with a family, but I suspect the big events are still to go down.
I was just pondering how many different personality types are at play in this scenario. And then thinking how for some people, encouraging others to get vaccinated, even when they know it to be likely damaging, and definitely unproven, is a desperate matter. They want others to conform to their view of the world, so badly, and whatever the cost, that they won’t think twice about over-riding another person’s autonomy through peer pressure or encouraging them to damage themselves.
I had a very seriously mentally ill friend who encouraged a friend to do something very dangerous to her own mental welfare, so that they could both drop out of university at the same time. Thankfully, the injured girl’s parents got her to start the year afresh, and she made a good recovery.
I have seen people encourage their drunk friends to go off with a very dangerous man, from who they have then been powerless to escape until years of abuse, and a couple of children later, they finally emerge to have to start all over again. And their children are suffering so much, still.
There are so many people who persist in believing that there’s a finite amount of shitty things that can happen in this world, and that to fail to act to protect another from it, or to fail to resist the temptation to ruin another’s life because you are suffering, is to somehow reduce the amount of shit you’re going to have coming to you. But it never pans out. In the initiators or by-standers in the instances I mention above, one committed suicide after she left university with no degree and no one helped her restart. The by-standing friends all suffered too as their friend’s toxic husband either bought very unpleasant men into their lives, or declared social war on them. No one benefitted. And almost all of them are alcoholics, with children with terrible mental health illnesses.
I suppose my point is that sceptics the like of which are commenting on here, quite often aren’t by-standers. They’re the unpopular ones. They’re the ones who walk home alone that night having pleaded with the friend and peer group to close ranks and protect until everyone is sober. But because protection and control a look so similar, it’s very hard to reason with anyone hell-bent on injuring themselves.
So it is right to stand together, to protect ourselves. Sometimes all you can do is not walk away, but stand up and fight for your right not to be injured.
Have they managed to chalk up Christopher Plummer (RIP) to the remorseless Rona yet?
Indeed they have.
I distinctly remember seeing this section at the bottom of the deathboard around Christmas time:
In England, a new weekly set of figures will also be published, showing the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide an additional measure of the impact of the disease over time.
However, it seems to have disappeared recently. Anyone shed any light on this?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
Can’t shed light, but would draw attention to this statement, which effectively makes most of the figures useless:
“Data from the four nations are not directly comparable as methodologies and inclusion criteria vary.”
It’s there at the bottom if you scroll down, called
Deaths within 60 days of positive test
Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and either died within 60 days of the first positive test or have COVID-19 mentioned on their death certificate. Data for the period ending 5 days before the date when the website was last updated with data for the selected area, highlighted in grey, is incomplete.
But you have to change the area from UK to say England or a region in England for it to show up
(the data for Scotland isn’t available for example which is why you seem to have to pick England or an English region for example)
https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2021/02/do-lockdowns-work.html
Above is the link to CJ Snowden’s reply to Toby. He seems very changed from the previous position of being anti lockdown. Not sure why he changed. I won’t go through it all but in his near to last paragraph he states it is the fear of the virus doing the economic damage. That is exactly what Devi Sridha has been saying.
But I didn’t see any evidence of that fear in shops, pubs and restaurants in Manchester when they were open. In fact they were packed with queues outside when it was announced they would be closed in November. If these places were open they again would be full. People cannot over come the closures forced upon them.
What are others views on Snowdon? I am finding him quite objectionable now.
Snowdon is simply not at the races. His ‘English’ is laboured and he clearly has some kind of ‘motivated’ agenda……follow the money……..
I binned it early, at ‘casedemic argument failed’…….
Remember the Kent lorry drivers? 15560 tests, 36 positives, at the height of the ‘Kent covid’ nonsense……..
Enough…….
Yet more doublethinkspeak. Fear is causing the economic damage. But shops can’t be open because we’re all covidiots and would flock to them causing PEOPLE TO DIE.
Which one is it?
For some unknown reason I cannot see any of my previous posts, have had wifi problems today so am hoping it is that and not anything else more sinister with anything I am saying!
I won’t repost everything but I would like to post this, I am sure it has been discussed on here many times but worth highlighting again in the light of vaccine passport mutterings, even though we are out of the EU I do not think that will matter one iota!
https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf
The many comfortably off pensioners, who are just feeling a little inconvenienced by the shitshow and expect to go back to their hedonistic luxury lifestyles soon, wont like hyper inflation when it (more than likely) kicks in. Thats when things will turn.
As a presently comfortably-off pensioner, I agree entirely. Unfortunately for me, I can clearly hear the sound of the axes cutting down the cherry orchard.
Just (inadvertently, awaiting House of Games) seen a trailer for a Beeb fest entitled ‘The Future’s Not Cancelled.’
What is this? The Beeb has spent the last eleven months doing its level best to cancel the future and lock everyone into a timeless hell of meaningless terror, and now they tell us there’s a future?
There is some sort of future – as long as you’ve got your vaccine passport of course.
Of course there’s a future , these people need to keep on making money, it just doesn’t include non conformity and those who prefer the “old” ways.
And have a multinational or civil service job or pension.
At least until the currency reset post the hyperinflation.
Thereafter, even they will be back in the poorhouse.
For a generation- see Germany 1945-1975.
Serves them well.
Vets. Or online for horses, remember you don’t weigh 600kg which is what one syringe will treat. Could share it with friends.
Swprs. Org had a link to a reputable Indian distributor recently.
Just had a telephone call from someone canvassing for the Labour Party. My reply: “I’m totally sick of all politicians and their fucking lockdowns. And your lot are even worse than the Conservatives.”
That’ll be me put down as a “Don’t know”, then.
Or maybe a possible Labour voter if canvassed on the doorstep…
Just got an email from Sinead Murphy at Newcastle University thanking me for my appreciative email about her elegant, surgical demolition of the spoilt, entitled little girl Devi Sridhar. She apologised for the delay in replying, but she has had so many emails of support, etc……sent me her best wishes during what she called the current inhumanness, which I hereby pass on.
Yes, a great article. Does she post on here? I’m guessing she might.
Had to go to the pharmacy today, to collect some pills.
It has been turned into a Vaccination Centre (though calling it a centre is a bit optimistic, given that it is tiny and can only take one victim at a time). Apparently a grand total of three Vaccine Marshalls are required for its safe operation. One to direct the flocks (of one person every 15 minutes or so) to the car park. This pharmacy is in the middle of an enormous new development of “luxury” flats, so there were more residents returning home from trips out than there were people coming for the vaccine. The marshall still felt the need to stop every single one, enquire where they were going and inform them of the location of the car park… had to keep busy somehow I suppose.
The one or two people waiting (outside of course) in the queue were talking with bated breath about how amazing it all was. The other two marshalls took it in turns to chat to them or to show people in and out of the “centre” – completely unnecessary given that the jabbing room was approximately 2m from the door and was adorned with an enormous sign. This centre apparently does the Oxford Vax, Pfizer is being given up the road. Chap in the queue asked about adverse reactions, no immediate adverse reactions reported with either, apparently.
Anyone wishing to use the pharmacy for its designated purpose has to explain this to the marshalls and then stand waiting in a separate queue until it is deemed safe to enter for social distancing purposes. I had to wait at least ten minutes. Of course this pharmacy is attached to a large and spacious doctors surgery which TPTB have presumably decided is unsuitable for vaccination purposes for some arbitrary reason.
God Save the NHS.
No muzzle , no vote ? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9226903/Local-elections-England-Wales-given-green-light-strict-Covid-safety-measures.html or will there be the usual exemption?
We know why, but how can they justify muzzle wearing by May!? Surely by then, those ‘vulnerable’ will be vaccinated.
Actual cases, hospitalizations and deaths will be invisible in May (bit like they were last year.) It’s seasonable. I imagine Unite and co. will be fussing about election officials being exposed all day to high viral loads from asymptomatic voters and be pressuring for muzzles. V mask sounds good for the purpose. Not my problem this year as my local elections are not till next year (or whenever.)
My guess is that ‘Hotel Quarantine’ is a pre-emptive strike against jabbed-up oldies going on early spring breaks disguised as family funerals etc. Plus an attempt to grease the palms of the big hotel chains.
Might not go quite as planned though. I can see the tabloids having a field day with stories about pensioners locked up 24/7 while the asylum seekers down the road are allowed out on a nod and wink, &c &c.
Here’s an important message ,just in, from the organ grinders’ monkey
(nice colour tie, very fashionable)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3meBvFijd4M
Anyone still not sure what this is all about ?
“build back better” isn’t the only slogan they’re all repeating. “No-one is safe until everyone is vaccinated” now seems to be the meme en vogue.
https://youtu.be/DcjAVtY6cJM
Video of cafe in Manchester open and busy.
I was shocked and saddened to hear of the passing of our fellow LS campaigner Nick Rose earlier today. I’d never met him but read his posts and he was a sensible contributor. But he was in his early 50s and presumably no slouch as he was always out and about on the protests. It’s the first person I’ve heard having died presumably of the virus (and not with the virus which hastened the process) and in a relatively short period of time. It’s supposed to target 80 somethings, not those in 50s surely…
Anyway it’s got me thinking and questioning whether I’m too complacent and arrogant of the potential threat of the virus, whether I’m too angry at the restrictions on freedoms/civil liberties and impact on society/economy etc to not see the wood from the trees. Would he still be here if taken into hospital, we will never know.
Too many questions and no answers … time for a glass or two of wine and toast his memory and contribution to this site. RIP Nick!
This is awful news and you are right. A bit of critical reflection never hurt anyone.
RIP Nick
RIP Nick. He was such a fighter and this makes me so very sad. Always out at protests and reporting back to us. He was definitely one of the good guys and I will raise my glass to him tonight.
I am inclined to mark up Nick’s passing with more venom toward the “government” that is denying HQ and IVM treatments.
RIP Nick.
I’ve been having the same thoughts today. Not really come to any conclusions I’m afraid! But regardless, I still don’t think that lockdowns, especially protracted and long drawn out lockdowns like this, are the best way to deal with this kind of threat. It doesn’t mean that I don’t think the virus is something of a threat (although no worse than many we have faced in the past without such drastic action) just that I think this way of dealing with it is wrong in so many ways.
I fear catching the virus as I have health issues but I try to keep living while trying to be as careful as I can. I go to church and see a handful of trusted people and try to have plenty of ventilation in the house. That said I’m fiercely anti lockdown. Nothing can justify locking innocent people up. I’m also furious how many people have died because the idiots in charge have done nothing to protect people by recommending things like vitamin D and stressing people and damaging their immunity by keeping people isolated and locked up. No one can control a virus but making people vulnerable by attacking their mental health is the worse way to go about it. RIP Nick Rose
You can’t be too angry, and the death of a committed campaigner should reinforce resolve to oppose this madness, not weaken it. This virus cannot be got rid of by lockdown. As for being taken into hospital, try this:
By Malcolm Kendrick, doctor and author who works as a GP in the National Health Service in England.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/514754-covid-hospital-infected-captain-tom/
‘presumably of the virus’
‘presumably
In his last post, he said he had developed an irritating cough. Here’s Gill’s report of what happened:
Some of you may be aware that one of our btl regulars, Nick Rose, started to experience symptoms of COVID last week and subsequently tested positive. I was in regular contact with him and became concerned about his breathing. I encouraged him to phone NHS 111 and 999 but they were worse than useless and did nothing. I lost contact with him on Monday but had his parents’ number. They were also concerned and sent his brother and sister-in-law (a nurse) round to check on him. They found him collapsed and unresponsive and called an ambulance. Unfortunately it was too late and he died.
Sounds like the National Covid-only Service doesn’t actually treat covid. Loss of a great guy!
Yes, and this is why I am now moving from numbness to anger. His dad told me that as well as 111 and 999 Nick also tried to contact his GP. He kept being passed from pillar to post but no one did anything.
It is indeed very sad news, I was not aware he had died of covid? but in which case it does sadly illustrate that this virus does seem to have the ability to infect a small number of younger people in a rather scary random manner. To my mind it is this that has spooked so many people. We are not used to seeing people of this age dying and in a way this virus has brought us back to earth and to a need to face our own mortality.
Nonetheless, I do not think it undermines the sceptic argument, yes the virus is a nasty piece of work albeit that in statistical terms its effect in reality is not overly significant. I do not think we can hope to eliminate a respiratory coronavirus, I do not think that face-masks work and i do not think that lockdowns are helping other than maybe kicking the can down the road a bit . On that basis I do not believe that anything we could have done would have saved Nick. Maybe he could have shielded himself in strict isolation and maybe that would have helped, I really have no idea? But I suspect that he like so many on this site would say that is not a life he would have wanted.
When it’s over, I want to say all my life I was a bride married to amazement.
I was the bridegroom, taking the world into my arms.
When it’s over, I don’t want to wonder if I have made of my life something particular, and real.
I don’t want to find myself sighing and frightened,or full of argument. I don’t want to end up simply having visited this world
http://www.phys.unm.edu/~tw/fas/yits/archive/gif/20mar04131_lr.jpg
Mary Oliver When Death Comes
“it does sadly illustrate that this virus does seem to have the ability to infect a small number of younger people in a rather scary random manner.”
What evidence do we have for this?
We know that the mortality curve for those with ‘covid-19’ on their death certificates exactly mirrors the general mortality curve.
We know that influenza has historically done what you describe – ie kill more younger people.
Do we have proof that Nick died ‘of’ Covid?
His symptoms strongly suggest it.
Mockdown guidelines would have made no difference.
However, PHE and NHS aversion to patients certainly did. It’s possible that, with a few hours’ CPAP, he might still be with us. “OUR NHS” was definitely not there for him and it sounds as if it cost him his life.
the problem is, that by their lies and their bullying, their manipulativeness and propaganda, they have inculcated an attitude in which people like me wouldn’t believe in covid now if it spat at me in the face. I am a covid apostate: I spit on their evil covid cult, and refuse all obeisance to it. perhaps some such disease really does exist, but I no longer care: I refuse to acknowledge it in any way. just to spite them. just to assert my freedom. perhaps I am the antithesis of the brainwashed – ‘you are commanding my obeisance, and for that very reason I am going to refuse it’ – anyway I really don’t care whether it exists or not, and I am not in the slightest bit afraid of it. The name Nick Rose rings a bell; but did he really die of covid, I mean, above and beyond the sense that everyone nowadays dies of covid? anyway, my sincere condolences to his friends and family, and may he rest in peace
I’d say he had covid – I don’t dispute the existence of the disease, just the hype about it.
I’d also say that he died because of medical negligence. The NHS and its accompanying systems let him down fatally. There’s no doubt a lot of it about!
Although he was just a person I only knew from comments here over the last few months I have felt a bit depressed all day since I read about the news of his death. I have been thinking the same as you re the potential seriousness of it and whether I have appreciated that enough. If he did ring 999 and they did fob him off then that is extremely poor service and his blood is on their hands. Having read this, if I was in such a state I was unable to breathe without pain and difficulty I would just go to A&E while I still can. I don’t know if he had an underlying undetected condition (cardio-vascular?) or had flu rather than Covid. We have been lied to and gaslighted so much over it all I no longer know what is real or not in regard of this disease. Anyway I liked reading his comments and respected his going to the protests and reporting back so comprehensively.
His dad told me there’s going to be a post mortem. Nick was an experienced hillwalker. I consider myself to be very fit but he could out walk me, so at the moment I’m at a loss as to why he was so badly affected.
I’m so sorry for your loss and for his family. Oh Nick.
What??????? Oh no. He was a friend to us here. RIP Nick.
Wow, quite a subtle and clever 77th stitch up, well done guys! I knew you’d have to try something different to try to infiltrate a site like this.
But I use the word “quite” because some of us are not so easily fooled.
Keep trying, you might catch me one day.
I’ve been asking similar questions of myself this evening, Penelope. I had a message to say that a friend’s brother has died of covid. He was in his 50s and apparently had no underlying health problems. His organs failed
Just heard a very sad story and unintended consequence of our lovely Governments public health messaging. Poor young nurse whose family all got together for Christmas and who all had covid from her contact with a covid patient now in a terrible state of blaming herself because her father has died from covid in hospital.
It’s this terrible aspect of the government messaging that makes me absolutely livid. Who decided in Government that it would be a good idea to create a blame culture and blame other people for causing the illness and deaths of others. Gosh I feel so angry and powerless to do anything. I would really like someone in government to pay for this but I doubt anyone will.
What could we do to highlight?
With respect , this is a very unfortunate circumstance but there is zero evidence here of anyone causing any deaths by cov.
It can be presented as such at an emotional level but that is not the same thing.
Yes I agree, I maybe didn’t put it too well. It’s the government who have set up blame
It was recommended by SAGE.
I am inclined to mark up such deaths with more venom toward the “government” that is denying HQ and IVM treatments.
The blame culture is completely despicable. Since every person who has died of an infectious disease (or complications relating thereto) has caught it from someone who caught it from someone etc., we are all no doubt implicated in many deaths and assuming that we continue to live we will continue to do so (unless we literally lock ourselves away forever
).
Yes, just to be alive is to be in contact with other people and to spread illnesses. But no one is to blame.
I just want to kill them. I have never been so angry, or hated anyone so much.
Nor me. I know now what makes people eager to fight in a war, or join the Resistance..
RIP Christopher Plummer…..
Here is a very good if long account of what’s been going on . Very reliable sources and well worth reading.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-2020-worldwide-corona-crisis-destroying-civil-society-engineered-economic-depression-global-coup-detat-and-the-great-reset/5730652
Excellent.
【Fight for Hong Kong】 by Miles Guo, New Released MV by Himalaya UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJYoz-bWWhk
TAKE DOWN THE CCP (Chinese Communist Party)
While Toby is blathering on about the honours he hasn’t received from his buddies the real game goes on unhindered by journalistic scrutiny, funny that .
https://www.globalresearch.ca/implanted-vaccine-package-id-germanys-parliament-has-ratified-gavis-digital-agenda-id2020/5736277
This site is controlled oppo. a steam vent for the torygraph classes , regurgitating figures and misinfo talking points. But the comments allow for unconnected people to share real info .
Researching the facts is the only way out.
Strike 1!
Strike 2!!
Strike 3!!!
And unless you are in the red, you aren’t getting through.
Guys – get a room.
Isn’t Toby’s piece a piece of humour, if a rather sardonic one? He is not being serious (well, a hidden tiny bit maybe) although I’m sure he wouldn’t turn one down. Chill eh.
I had a phone call from my Labour Party office! So I explained that my MP had single handedly ensured that I would never vote for her again, by not replying to any of my letters about lockdown. Which I know she got, because they were 1st class signed for.
Woman on phone: “I’m very sorry to hear that, Keir has been saying from the start that we should have locked down earlier.”
Hoppy: “Yes! That’s just the point! When George Orwell went off to fight against the fascists he wasn’t arguing that Franco ought to lock even more people up was he! … Hello? Hello?”
Can you believe it, she put the phone down on me, damned cheek
Brilliant.
Note the assumption that our friend Hoppy must’ve wanted an earlier lockdown. It did not occur to this lunatic that Hoppy might have a problem with lockdown *per se*!
To quote Blackadder, ‘I think the phrase rhymes with Clucking Bell.’
I had pretty much the same spiel from mine. Told ’em they were working on out-of-date material because if they weren’t, then they’d have known that I’d left the party some months ago because of that fucking poofter. The conversation was brief, awkward and soon bought to an end
Are any of the bookies taking covid policy bets? Lockdown #4 by Oct 2nd 2021 1/3.
This is getting beyond crazy now.
Daily Mail Headline: One million people in Liverpool, Preston and Lancashire are told to get a Covid test NOW if they have runny nose in hunt for South African strain that could beat vaccines
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9229045/Million-people-Liverpool-Preston-Lancashire-told-Covid-test-runny-nose.html
If it’s a PCR test, I can speak from personal experience that you have to have a clear (not runny) nose to do the test. Absolute lunacy.
Anybody else read medical reports that say the PCR test is too invasive and could do severe damage if carried out incorrectly, ie by barely trained personnel?
I had to get a Covid test for work. I appeared at the drive in. They handed me a pack and asked I did it myself then hand it back. I mean they don’t even watch you. I rubbed it on my elbow.
Negative. Kind of disappointed. The work event was bollocks and I wanted a false positive story.
It’s the new Snot Test. Snot very reliable.
Zahawi, Talk Radio, yesterday::
Chris Whitty, live at a Downing Street presser, Monday, 11/05/2020 :
At least one of these people is lying.
Whitty occasionally gives signs of a tiny soupcon of sense. Of course anything he says that is sensible is immediately contradicted by other members of SAGE and the loathsome Ferguson. God I hate our current politicians.
But those words of his were spoken back in May. He seems to have changed his tune since then. Leaned on? Made an offer he couldn’t refuse? Read something new and interesting?
How would we know? He hasn’t seen fit to share it with us plebs, has he?
Mr Zahawi – isn’t that the same Mr Z who has his fingers in the Yougov pie?
yes.
That was when Whitty still had some integrity left
Pleased to report that the local snake oil queue is, after some brief activity before Christmas, still deserted. Makes me wonder if takeup is actually much lower than claimed, hence the need to keep reinforcing the propaganda.
No doubt this is the same nation wide. We could be told any figures for these ”cases” and how would we know they were genuine?
Indeed, many others have reported deserted testing sites. Probably a similar answer for both figures in hospital staff.
Excellent video from Dan of Pandemic Podcast today regarding vaccine passports what them may lead to and the slippery slope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ5XmvOt25g
Watch how slowly this one is growing
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/555177
Make it illegal for businesses to challenge those not wearing face coverings
Are you on our side or do you like being muzzled up for net zero gain?
I think ganjan misread. It’s a bit of a twister of a title.
Try informing yourself. Here’s something by a person who knows a thing or two about PPE.
https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/
Fawlty Towers isn’t big enough.
or mad enough?
Thought this quote from Simon Clarke was very interesting, a zealot questioning the vaccine narrative…
Dr Simon Clarke, associate professor in Cellular Microbiology at the University of Reading, said: “In England, infection numbers decreased in all age groups except the over-70s, who’ve been the target of the vaccination campaign.
“It will be both worrying and disappointing if this is because people are letting their guard down as soon as they’re vaccinated. It remains important to leave enough time for immunity to develop, and to have the second dose.
“But if it’s not the case that they’re behaving any differently, we can expect to hear calls for more studies into the protection that Covid-19 vaccines offer older people.”
Can’t link to the DT article.
Has it not occurred to Dr Clarke that if someone is given the vaccine and then the PCR test it will produce a positive result?
Who, in their right mind, agrees to one of these nasty little ‘tests’ immediately after having a poisonous ”vaccine”? Isn’t that carrying selflessness a little too far?
No, it’s normal zombie stupidity, to which there are no limits whatsoever.
But if they are behaving differently, of course it’s their fault if the snake oil doesn’t work.
Not sure if anyone else heard Mike Dolan on Talk Radio this afternoon interviewing the leader of the hotel industry in London. He was saying they are doing special covid hotels which have completely separate air conditioning in each room including special filters to kill Covid. Guests (prisoners) will be assumed covid positive and will not be able to leave their rooms at all for the 14 days. He suggested these hotels would be permanent!
The mentality is mind boggling.
Surely all the arrivals will have already had one or two negative tests to even be allowed on the plane. Forced quarantine is a total waste.
We’ve entered the twilight zone.
Destruction of the tourist sector in line with Agenda 21/30
Complete destruction of the tourist industry. It’s staring everyone in the face if they would just look.
Doesn’t this fit the narrative of the Canadian document leaked a few months ago? I cannot find the link though.
https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/
Thank you
destroy tourism replace it with Green gold and Pharma
The guy he interviewed is a bit player…. using COVID gobbledygook for publicity. That doesn’t mean this whole scenario isn’t terrifying though.
They’ll be offered to folk to isolate from their families after a positive test to reduce the track and trace contacts isolation bollocks. It’s guaranteed.
Absolutely fucking insane
Even prisoners are allowed out for exercise ffs. Insane.
at the moment the aim of these
gulagshotels is to kill tourism. once that aim has been achieved, anyone think these hotels will be closed down?New World Disorder.
Well folks, it’s been nice knowing you…..
https://www.ibm.com/products/digital-health-pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caCkMX6YdYU&feature=emb_logo
Love Your Servitude – Aldous Huxley & George Orwell
20% of people can be very easily hypnotised,
20% of people can never be hypnotised
60% can be hypnotised with some effort
We are the 20%, so there is hope if
I didn’t quite catch what was said on the Radio 4 news bulletins an hour or so ago. But I think it was something along the lines that an ONS survey has now confirmed that infections are on the decline, because, presumably, the last survey was over a month ago.
The decline has been obvious for some weeks – what is more important is assessing when it began – and was it before the lockdown?
Oh dear god make it stop Climate Change May Have Played a Role in The Emergence of Coronavirus please.
I’m sure it did but not in the way they are making out nudge nudge wink wink.
It rally is just non-stop propaganda now.
Anything with ‘may’ or ‘could’ in the headline is wild speculation, designed to keep the zombies frightened.
‘Covid may have been brought to Earth by meteorites from Mars’ says scientist.
‘Meteorites may land anywhere, any time. One could land on your head and delivers its deadly dose of Covid directly into your brain. You are at risk. Stay indoors. Never, never let your children play outside. As yet there is no vaccine against meteorites, but the government has pre-ordered sixty billion doses of the first one to be developed, probably by
AstroturfAstra-Zeneca.’Brilliant!
Perfect snow…but keep off-piste! Scotland’s ski slopes have their best conditions in years after weeks of ‘high quality’ snowfall – but remain closed because of Covid rules Yep a symptom of the covid induced global warming.
More evidence of unprecedented climate change Fossil hunters find huge 66lb bone that belonged to huge straight-tusked elephant that roamed the world 125,000 years ago on the Isle of Wight (sarc)
About 10 years ago I went to a cool, small pub-like venue to see an up and coming rock band live in a touristy town on the North Coast. We all had the best night dancing away and laughing. Life was good and we felt free.
Our local N.Irish beer Harp was the sponsor that night at the gig, and gave us all free t shirts if you bought a pint of it. So I bought a pint and got my free t shirt. The beer was disgusting in my opinion, I am not a beer drinker. But you know what it said on the tshirt below the very small Harp logo?
Hugs not drugs.
Ironic……now it’s drugs, not hugs.
My Granny and MIL have taken a drug so they think they can eventually give and get a hug.
I will always hug regardless of a drug.
Well, thats my motto now, Hugs not drugs.
I still have the t shirt and going to wear it when the weather gets better.
Not all drugs are bad, but all hugs are good.
Hope you all have a good weekend.
Good motto. Like it.
Hugs are great medicine. Excellent logo!
I remember Harp lager from the 1970s. It was so low in alcohol it could legally have sold as a soft drink. Not like the headbanger stuff that’s popular nowadays!
I’ve never been a lager drinker – though Sam Smiths and John Willie Lees used to to good live lagers before they all were turned to fizz.
I’d drink Guinness if I was singing folk songs in smoky pubs. But trad bitter was the one for social sessions. We organised regular real-ale pilgrimages. Very happy days!
I like a good German or Belgian wheat beer, one pint and it blows the head off me though! I am more partial to a Jamison, Ginger ale and lime.
Those continental beers can be surreptitiously deadly – I could tell you a tale or two ….
Inspiring!
Love it, what a great motto. Have a good weekend too, as good as is possible at the moment anyway. I hug any normal members of my family and friends, the reason being that the zombies won’t see me anyway.
Thanks.
Great motto.
Wear with pride.
Back from belated trip to Aldi – I was down to my last teabag, so could procrastinate no longer.
Doorman bemuzzled plus vizor. Oh dear.
It was pretty quiet, about a dozen customers, all bemuzzled except me. Disappointing!
No covid-safe recording though, so very grateful for small mercy.
There were swathes of empty shelves. No bread, unless you wanted to choose from a variety of brioche. No flowers. Large gaps in the tins etc section. Missing veg. No tissues. (Didn’t check the loo rolls.)
I start to wonder if the dreaded shortages have begun already, or if people know something I don’t – sometimes it pays to check in with MSM occasionally!
Checkout guy also bemuzzled. (WTF?!) No other staff about tonight. I commented that it looked as if they’d been visited by locusts and asked if it was because the snow had affected deliveries. He replied it was because of the snow, though not what we’ve just had but what they’ve been told is coming this weekend.
Well I checked with the beeb website and it merely forecasts sleet. However, it did that earlier this week and I woke up to find their idea of sleet is my idea of 6″ snow, so we’ll see what transpires!
Were you challenged by security on the way in about “needing a mask”?
No. I was once asked very politely and discreetly if I’d forgotten my mask but I just said I’m exempt and he replied Oh that’s fine.
The maskup sign outside says “unless you have a medical exemption” No problem. I usually try to catch the doorman’s eye so I can give him a smile but they make point of ignoring me.
Incidentally, the doormen are never “on” the door. They kind of hover in the vicinity but it’s never intimidating.
We just do click and collect now, can’t be arsed to shop in person anymore. Many items not in stock, so as I don’t give a shit about the zealots who misguigingly trust the gov. It’s time to stock up with whatever you can find. I like a new world with just like minded people. Already have met so many on demo’s and made new friends. So easy to talk to and be yourself. Now that’s what I call a new normal. The rest can die or starvation.
Tesco (unlike Waitrose who have utterly ignored me since July – makes two of us) keep sending me increasingly generous offers that can only be used in-store. Latest was £8 of if you spend £40 – 3 weeks worth of them. I wouldn’t go in the store now if they just promised me the 40 squid. Ironically they probably think I am a Covidian frightened to go in when it’s entirely about the mask mandate.
I drove past Tesco today. There was a long queue – with a traffic light system. How dehumanising is THAT? I am only amazed that anyone still shops there. What on earth are they queuing up for? There are plenty of other more civilised stores in the vicinity.
All their checkout staff have been ordered to be muzzled now. Presumably so management can take the moral high ground when booting non-mask wearers out of the store. I do Tesco C&C now and they are rationing to some extent (only 95 max items and 3 of dried pasta for example.)
They won’t boot non-mask wearers out of the store because it’s illegal.
As I do a weekly shop and buy mostly fresh food, I want to choose my own death dates.
Last Tuesday, the checkout guy was unmuzzled. One woman has worn a muzzle throughout (weirdo). The only other muzzled ones so far have been on Fridays and I usually shop one weekly evening midweek. Can’t report on daytime doings. It’s a very laidback store. I noticed the guy tonight took the trouble to make eye contact despite the face nappy.
I’m banged up in my cabin in the Highlands of Krankie.
There is two feet of snow outside and still falling.
Brought enough supplies (scotch eggs and whisky) for three weeks. (!)
I am safe from the Deadly Virus.
And the Maskoid Cultists.
Lucky B……… Enjoy!
Perhaps interesting that within half an hour of arriving the other day, I met a gent who was just leaving, as the snow was coming on strong.
(There are not a lot of people up here.)
Within a couple of minutes he revealed himself to be a 110% sceptic. His business (tourist related) has been destroyed by the endlessly varying lockdowns. He was well researched, and told me a few things I’d not heard about.
There are many of us out there. And eventually reality will break through.
Cheers
Beam me up, Bill!
Oh my!
I’m far enough south of you (Yorkshire Pennines) for 2 feet to be a phenomenon nowadays. Commonplace in my youth though!
DH was in a brass band and they used to go round the hill farms playing carols at Christmas. They sent the B flat bass players in front through the snow so the kids could easily follow behind.
I played a French horn and did the carol stint with the urban orchestral youth brass but my rotary valves would freeze up. Those were the days!
Enjoy your rations, and your retreat to sanity.
Thanks.
Sounds like you know about snow!
Happy days.
Cheers
Somebody posted earlier about HYS on BBC about the pro vaccine comments in response to it’s safe (According to MSM) anyway I thought I would stir the homey pot and made comments about Ivermectin and HCQ, immediately got 9 thumb downs and comments that could of only come from 77th. Anyway checked back now and the latest comments seem to be from skeptics, looks like the BBC HYS is overrun by people like us. There is hope.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55946912
Yep, whipped in and fired off a dozen comments.
Easy meat.
The hysteria over the sacred vaccine is at afterburning levels.
There may be a hell of a bang coming up !
Why don’t you answer my prayer lord? Scientists confirm new coronavirus mutations DO emerge in Covid patients with severe and long-lasting diseases including cancer That’s the carcinogenic side effects of vaccines covered then, nothing to see here just covid.
These people are in a state of gibbering insanity. Its a fecking cold virus.
You could try treating people with severe and long-lasting diseases. See if that helps.
European Leader Reacts to CCP Lockdown Reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwnF4oAUoVc
European leader reflects on the debacle!
Outside Wuhan, where it lasted a month, the average lockdown in a Chinese city lasted two weeks.
Watch the video!!
The Hitler parodies are funny, but my fluent German rather spoils the viewing.
Turn the sound off twerp!
Ach, scheizer. Steiner sagt Sie sind ganz gefuckelt. Es ist ein schwein. Der Krieg hast fallen over. Wo ist mein Handy?
Oh that’s just brilliant. Thanks!
Just what I was waiting for, brilliant!
I was trawling through information on The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and found this information on the aims back in 2009 very disturbing and of concern bearing in mind what is going on in the world today https://www.liberationnews.org/real-agenda-gates-foundation/
pits a 45min read but it looks like many of the aims and desires have become a reality. The Gates Foundation is also the biggest land owner in the US after the government. Do they plan to control what’s grown and how it’s distributed?
Watch this, from today’s UK Column. Explains a lot!
https://youtu.be/BP2LqZ65M5M?t=2474
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/bill-gates-neo-feudalism-farmer-bill/
He’s been working to control the food supply for decades – and yes, he will kill the soil!
So someone was asking about proof and a failure to cite things. So here for your information is reported eye witness evidence.
https://www.wtkr.com/news/gloucester-resident-dies-within-hours-of-receiving-pfizer-vaccine
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
I would suggest that what you’re seeing there is someone experiencing pulmonary immunopathy. “They tried to remove fluid from her lungs. They called it ‘flash pulmonary edema,’ and doctors told me that it can be caused by anaphylaxis,” said Jones.
Vernon Coleman is right. But there’s something else.. what proportion of vaccine-deaths are BAME? Is anyone checking? One for David Lammy , perhaps?
I asked the same question earlier today. I hope it’s being monitored.
From the article cited: The risks were also spelled out on the paperwork Keyes received prior to her shot.
Not helpful if you don’t know you’re susceptible!
A couple of days ago Cheezilla i replied to you in the middle of the trolling. My message then was not aimed towards you. You are one of the good guys. I appreciate your comments and the consideration you show to all. Have a good evening with fresh tea bags asunder.
Thank you for your kind words!
NB I progress to wine at this time of night.
And there was me thinking Gloucester, Gloucestershire.
Reminder in case anyone else out there is interested.. are we seeing the weaponisation of “Black Shame” here? (As in the old trope, “They sold their people into slavery, doncha know”).
If you can get people like Lammy, Khan, and countless others to join in the process of imploring BAME citizens to get “vaccinated”, then you effectively silence some of the most powerful advocates of their own ethnically diverse communities by making them colluders.
And also with ref to that nurse story, isn’t the point of it to say, “Never mind the patients dying from vaccines, you killed your own father! We can kill someone at any time with our thoughtlessness!”. Sort of like the crappest devil’s advocacy. Creating a false parallel, by making a nurse the same as a pharmaceutical multinational. “I’m sure Bill didn’t mean to kill all those innocent people! Just the same as I didn’t mean to kill my Dad. It was just random bad luck”.
Just wondering if these ‘little’ people like Lammy, Khan, Drakeford, Sturgeon, Varadkar, and many others know that eventually it’s their names that will be on the next ‘list’.
Shots fired back from Mckernan and Co. Good to see they won’t roll over.
https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1357812257602891780
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/05/covid-school-closures-job-losses-uk-social-unrest-david-jamieson
TLDR: Young people are at risk of becoming unemployable and turning to crime amid partial school closures and rising joblessness, in a spiral that could lead to social unrest, the crime commissioner for England’s second biggest force has warned.
Finally, someone employed by the State speaking sense.
Mr Handbag and I were just discussing this. We agreed to turn off the CCTV that we bought to stop stop people fly-tipping (and now use to avoid opening the door, and watch for cats pooing in the garden – #thisisLincolnshire), when the riots start.
There is absolutely no fucking way I’m helping the Police. It is my fervent hope that everyone will switch if their CCTV, abs the 2 plods left to guard the county while the rest are in London will take off their hats and go for a pint.
This in the Grauniad?
It’s all the fault of the pandemic, then, innit?
Same Guardian insisting schools stay shut until all the poor vulnerable teachers are vaxxed.
I’m sure most of us could have told them that for free several months ago!
I think the plan is that education is now being wound down. it will never be brought back. the current generation of young people are not intended to ever have jobs or futures, so they have no need of an education
A covid2020 Summary
Nope can’t see anything sinister about this at all!
Excellent synopsis
From The Spectator.
”Holy relic: what will be left of the Church of England after the pandemic?”
”The plan to dismantle the parish network is quite simply the biggest act of church vandalism since the dissolution of the monasteries. It comes at precisely the moment when communities need the comfort and assistance of leaders on the ground….”
The CofE will not survive this bollox in any shape or form. It doesn’t deserve to. It has comprehensively, hideously, shamefully betrayed its congregations, its God, and the nation which it is supposed to serve. It is not worth any decent person’s allegiance. When the pseudo-religion of Covidism dies, the CofE, which has enthusiastically espoused Covidism (i.e. Satanism), will go with it.
Interesting isn’t it!
It’s all part of a great reset that has absolutely nothing to do with the WEF’s demented plans.
Last year I left an organisation of which I’d been part for 20 years. I could see their actions mirroring what was going on in our government and across the western world. Increasing regulation, increasing emphasis on money and control rather than service. Recently, people have been leaving in droves. I’ve kept describing it as a sheep and goats situation.
We are being offered a chance to evaluate what’s important in our lives. The light is being shone on things which were previously hidden. This is about consciousness and waking up. Yes, there is a war at the moment and it’s for human consciousness. The fearmongering propaganda lowers consciousness and people (justifiably) descend to survival mode. The Behavioural Insights Team have very effectively disarmed the bulk of the population. Maybe the vaccine is designed to do the rest.
Those of us who are awake must stick to our principles and keep nudging those who aren’t completely unconscious. Massive forces are at play and we must hang on to love and compassion at all costs. There is no going back. It’s up to people like us how going forward (inevitable) will play out.
My friend probably explains it better:
https://oraclelife.co.uk/2021/02/05/a-rare-stellium-intense-time-for-change/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new-blog-post
Yes, Annie. It’s so sad. I walk around (outside) our little 900 year old church and think of all it stood in the centre of, through those years. It was always open for solace, no matter what storms were whirling around outside.
And now at the whiff of a mild virus it is crushed by the very people who should be caring for it. Our vicar, for example – he who cancelled the ”by invitation only” remembrance service at the last minute – who can’t be bothered to sit in the church for a couple of hours each day so that people can come and go (they wouldn’t ”throng”). Too much trouble, probably.* So the church is open for one hour on three days a week.
Shameful. A cruel betrayal, as you say.
*A church warden told me: ”If we just let people in, we’d have to disinfect the whole place after each one….” You couldn’t make it up. I should have said ”Oh yes, like they do with the village shop, I suppose”. But I hadn’t the heart.
I suggest you need to find the heart.
These people just aren’t thinking about the implications. A simple question or pointer can start the cogs turning and you’ve done your bit.
I’m starting with the Quakers. No one passive resists like a Quaker.
Our local church has a beer festival so I suppose it was on borrowed time anyway.
Just in case you didn’t see the footage of Chris Whitty being called a liar! Fair play to the kid!
https://youtu.be/EAdysQwWqkU
What struck me was the refutation.
They had Mutt Hamitup declaring it to be outrageous.
Now that was really taking the p*ss!
https://youtu.be/EAdysQwWqkU
Didn’t he call Wittery ”one of our greatest living scientists”? What a hoot!
(… or was it ”greatest LYING scientists”?)
I think that is so funny
Telegraph reporting pubs to open in April (hurrah) but without being allowed to sell alcohol (wtf).
Can’t wait to have my first glass of sarsapirilla.
Who says the Welsh can’t teach you anything. This is what we had last November.
Was it roaring fun?
Did they explain the link between alcohol and covie?
Alcohol reduces inhibitions and makes people sociable and communicative. ‘Nuff said.
When Welsh pubs were open but not allowed to serve alcohol, it was quite OK for my local to sell me a bottle of wine alongside my takeaway meal, because I and my OH were going to drink it at home.
As I have mentioned a few times, they aren’t even bothering to hide the prohibition angle behind this any more.
The message is “you cannot be trusted to behave when you drink” so they are slowly banning it.
I cannot wait for the bastards to be strung up for what they are doing to this country, starting with that evil piece of shit Whitty.
What’s that all about then?? What is a pub without alcohol???
A place in which to plot……
There you have it, people can talk, exchange opinions and as you say plot. Pubs are dangerous places for criminal governments.
We may have to resort to chupatties eventually, then.
.
…it’s like a Plumber being told they’re OK to work but not allowed to use any Plums!
Slightly preferable to a vegan restuarant with no alcohol.
We could always take a hip flask!
There has been a lot of discussion on here about how to get the lockdown sceptics message across.
I got sent this YouTube link tonight. This family, I think, have found the answer, with humour and song turning a well known 80’s hit into a bloody funny description of life for most families over the last year.
It deserves to be spread far and wide..
https://youtu.be/vYmSAMcwXA8
Is this The Lord of the Flues thing? I can’t watch it again. My neighbours on the Covid Support Group love it because, I assume, they think it’s the 2021 version of “We’ll meet again”, or “Pack up your troubles”. One Boris fanatic even suggested we send it to him! I HAD to query it, and check I remembered Lord of the Flies correctly.
Golding’s ‘Lord of the Flies’ is very illuminating on many aspects of the current situation.
I popped over to Wikipedia and they seem to have actually left up a synopsis of the current situation. My local COVID support group is a micro version of David Cameron’s Big Society wet dream.
But obviously didn’t go to school during the 80/90s when a bunch of subversives were still actually teaching children critical thinking.
I think you probably haven’t watched the same one!
I doubt anyone in a covid support group would enjoy this, and Boris should see it, but only after it has a few million likes first.
Yes – it’s excellent. Good family stuff.
These were the same people who made the nauseating “Have the new jab” video last month.
I think so. Russian spies every last one.
Children who receive a seasonal flu jab are less likely to suffer symptoms from a COVID-19 infection, promising study finds You are literally putting the lives of your children in these fraudsters hands!
What’s the infection rate of seasonal respiratory disease of under 15yr old’s, again? Do children even suffer from symptoms of covid-19?
This is THE science that’s kept us prisoner in our own homes for nearly a year.
Hoist them on their own petard.
If that is true, then surely havibg had flu in the past also confers a certain amount of protection.
Except, in the UK at least, children don’t get a jab they receive it as a nasal spray of reduced concentration.
They don’t suffer symptoms from Crap19 anyway ffs. How can they possibly measure an effect within reasonable confidence intervals on the vanishingly small numbers. And even then, so what? Mad people.
Ivor Cummins on the ”New Zealand question” and the (non) efficacy of lockdowns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU0b-En3pCI
Another wonderful presentation from Ivor Cummins. About 18 mins.
Interesting nugget – 14.2 % of Italian blood samples stored from September 2019 had antibodies for SarsCov-2.
Great to learn that Ivor is getting into Edgar Hope-Simpson’s work.
He’s been recommending that book for a while. Hope-Simpson knew his stuff; he’d seen all this before.
Yeah Nessimmersion shared on here. The Cannel et al follow-up review that is more VitD focussed is excellent too.
“Recent discoveries indicate vitamin D upregulates the endogenous antibiotics of innate immunity and suggest that the incongruities [of seasonal influenza epidemics] explored by Hope-Simpson may be secondary to the epidemiology of vitamin D deficiency.”
“…activated vitamin D is a pluripotent pleiotropic seco-steroid with as many mechanisms of action as the 1,000 human genes it regulates. Evidence continues to accumulate of vitamin D’s involvement in a breathtaking array of human disease and death.”
At risk of repetitive posting but:
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-5-29
Ivor Cummins again! Hitler on the game being up. He would have won too if it wasn’t for those pesky Swedes. Thankyou, Ivor Cummins (at least that’s what Youbend says). Apols if already posted. The subtitles go a bit quick but readable.
https://youtu.be/hwnF4oAUoVc
Quiz.
Which one is genuine:
That slimy traitorous social repribate of a wanker. Can’t stand the very sight of him and his crocodile tears.
Too easy!
they are both genuine. Wancok’s are tears of joy as he contemplates all his kickbacks kicking in. the only consolation is that the satanists he has sold his soul to will throw him under the bus as soon as they are done using him.
It’s frankly amazing that nearly 12 months after “3 weeks to squash the sombrero” and a non-stop trail of broken promises and blatant lies since, some people are certain that this time the government are going to keep their word and release us.
Classic and tragically relevant.
Mike Yeadon Twitter gone?
Yeah looks like it’s gone. It’s a shame, I was reading his threads earlier today/yesterday. I hope he returns.
Me too! Where do we go instead?
Agree. There were couple of items ever so slightly raising a question about deaths following vaccine initiation in last couple days. Thought it might go any time.
Oh crap! Well wherever he is tonight, I hope he knows he’s a hero is many voiceless households.
Just opened a thread on the forums about this- didn’t realise it had been spotted here.
Pandemic Podcast was asking similar questions, while being extremely careful to say that he wasn’t casting doubt on the safety of the ‘vaccines’.
Woo – He was majorly attacked today by George Monbiot – a personal attack on Yeadon, JHB and Toby Young. https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1357602738670948352
MAybe he’d had enough or something else?
Monbiot is SUCH A WANKER. Nasty little castrated Chihuahua of a man.
Got to wonder about the sanity of someone who uses full fact and calls Ivor Cummins’ evidence “theories”. Cummins uses the government’s own numbers.
Look at his CV. The BBC, guardian, fully paid up member of climate change, a self confessed socialist, its no surprise.
The Zero Covid cult reminds me of The Omen films where the followers of the Anti-Christ, Damian Thorn, infiltrate all levels of public life in order to get him into a position where he could have great influence on the world. They would take down anybody who dared to go against their beliefs.
We see it happening everywhere now. Look at Sam Bowman trying to say that Rishi Sunak is the most dangerous man in Government. WTF is that about? A person can’t have any opinion other than total lockdown without being branded dangerous?
These cultists need to be shut down because they are a danger to the human race.
If we look at the counterside, even if we did nothing the human race would survive because this is not an extinction level event. Nowhere near it.
However, these people think it’s ok to destroy humanity in the pursuit of their idealistic goals. That is a far greater danger to all of us than any other position one can take in this whole sorry mess.
It could be worse, Calling For An American Ministry Of Truth – The US Media’s Dystopian 2021 you could be living in the US under the clinton mafia.
Well I hope now that the BAME population are on their guard, especially all those with added status within their communities. Because the choice of content for those tweets is very telling.
This is a man who is pulling the govt up on their data for an illness which is being used as cover under which a disproportionate number of BAME citizens are being quietly “lost”. Then scapegoated. Not to mention the emerging issues with the “vaccine”.
Loads of high profile, utterly inept Britons of Asian descent being set up to be blamed (hence Rishi Sunak hatchet job) for all bad thing that happened in the last year. And the man who is pointing out the inconvenient truth being rubbished on Twitter. Holy shit! Such classic triangulation going on. Then propagated by a Monbiot whose legacy in this matter is likely to be a conviction under the Malicious Communications Act. That’s going to be one high profile court case. Will all his friends stand by him? I don’t know. It’s incredibly ill-judged and really intensely malicious.
Big pharma and their gov puppies just pulled the trigger to protect their filthy business at any cost. I expect something here on this site tomorrow because Toby Young is in the firing line.
Well it’s MCA or harassment. Badly played on their part because when it gets it’s day in court George is going to have to prove that he sincerely believed that Yeadon wrote that, and then disseminated that vile blog post, (which I will never unsee and has caused him to sink even further in my estimation), with filth in it. Dear God. He has hit a completely new low. Why has no one reported him to Twitter for that retweet. It’s content is deeply offensive. And Yeadon has at least taken steps to remove it from his feed.
The problem with cowards is that they can’t wrap their heads around the Law. This is classic rape defence psychology. Hold strong peeps. If a frightened, battered, devastated rape victim can do this, you can too.
What are you talking about?
Yes. I’m definitely not up to speed on this!
Something to do with this?:
Very hard to believe Yeadon wrote those tweets. Quite apart from the ridiculous content, the style is totally different to the way he writes. As for the claim Monbiot makes that he has written similar things in the past, why has no one ever drawn attention to them until now? They have been going after sceptics hard, especially Yeadon, in the past few weeks and now this?! No, this stinks…
I totally agree.
A 72 minute interview with Denis Rancourt, where he puts covid into its geopolitical context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNm7_9SRB08
MANCHESTER CAFE CLAIMS VICTORY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcjAVtY6cJM&ab_channel=THEGREATREOPENING