Gove: Primary School Children and Years 11 and 13 Will Return to School Next Week, But as For the Rest…
Michael Gove said on the Today programme yesterday that primary schools, along with Year 11s and Year 13s in secondaries, would return to school in the first week of January, although he stopped short of saying other year groups would return later in the month and stressed that this was the Government’s intention, not a cast-iron guarantee. BBC News has more.
“It is our intention to make sure we can get children back to school as early as possible,” he said.
He said that prioritising children’s attendance in school was “the right thing to do” but he acknowledged concerns about the new variant, which scientists believe may be more transmissible.
“We have a new strain and it is also the case that we have also had, albeit in a very limited way, Christmas mixing, so we do have to remain vigilant,” Mr Gove said.
“We are confident that we will be able to get schools back in good order. Our plan and our timetable is there, and we are working with teachers to deliver it.”
Mr Gove told BBC Breakfast the safe return to school would be built on an effective testing system, with teachers working “incredibly hard” to implement it.
However, it’s not all good news, with the Cabinet Office Minister stressing that re-opening schools involved “trade offs”, i.e. other restrictions would need to be ramped up to compensate.
MailOnline was unimpressed by the announcement.
SAGE scientists have urged Boris Johnson to impose an even tougher third national lockdown including keeping all schools closed throughout January to curb the new mutant coronavirus strain – consigning millions of children to sub-standard online classes for at least a month, it was revealed today.
Michael Gove said today that only children in years 11 and 13, and those with key worker parents, will go to school from Monday – with only primary schools expected to open as usual.
But he has also sparked fears that secondary schools could remain closed for longer than a week after admitting the plan to reopen them all on January 11th is already “under review” amid rumours that students in Tier 4 could be at home until the mid-February half-term.
Worth reading in full.
How Persuasive is the SAGE Argument for Closing Schools?
According to the Guardian, the Government is split over the issue of whether to re-open secondary schools in full in January, with some ministers proving susceptible to lobbying by SAGE’s lockdown zealots.
Government deliberations are expected to be influenced by two preprint studies that suggest closing schools is inevitable, including an analysis from London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine researchers who modelled the impact of the fast-spreading UK variant of Sars-CoV-2 – the virus that causes COVID-19.
They found that the only scenario that reduced the peak intensive care burden below the levels of the first wave was to impose the Tier 4 system across England after Boxing Day and close schools until the end of January, as well as vaccinating two million people a week.
“If our parameter estimates are correct… it seems like [Tier 4] alone isn’t enough, so something else might need to be done on top of that. And we’ve looked at school closures because that’s sort of the next obvious thing to do on top of those restrictions,” said the lead researcher, Dr Nick Davies, who is a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPI-M), which feeds into Sage.
Susan Michie, a Professor of Health Psychology at University College London and a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behavioural Science, a SAGE subcommittee, said emerging data suggested transmission rates were going up everywhere, hospitals were being overwhelmed and thus the only way forward was a national lockdown, including the closure of schools.
The paper referred to by the Guardian has been produced by the Centre for Mathematical Modelling of Infectious Diseases at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and can be read here. The same paper also forms the basis for an alarming headline in a Telegraph piece by Paul Nuki: “Why ministers must ramp up Covid vaccination to 2m a week or face a devastating third wave.“
But if you read the paper, the argument for closing schools in January (all schools, not just secondaries, and universities too) isn’t straightforward.
Let’s suppose the two critical assumptions these boffins make are right: (a) the new Covid variant (VOC 202012/01) is significantly more transmissible than preexisting variants; and (b) children are more susceptible. As with the modelling Neil Ferguson presented to NERVTAG earlier this month, the “evidence” for (a) and (b) is that when these researchers create a range of different epidemiological models to explain the recent rise in daily cases, the models into which they plug these assumptions are a better fit with the data than the models into which they plug other assumptions. But, of course, they only consider a very limited number of alternative explanations – greater mobility in London, the South East and the East of England, for instance – so this is a pretty clumsy application of Occam’s Razor.
Nonetheless, let’s park those reservations for a moment and suppose this group of mathematicians are right about the causes of the rise in daily cases. That still doesn’t mean we should close all schools (and universities) in January. Why? Because one of the assumptions the modellers make is that the three NHS regions which haven’t yet seen an uptick in infections – the South West, the Midlands, the North West and the North East and Yorkshire – are 30 days behind the three that have – London, the South East and the East of England. Consequently, if you allow schools (and universities) to reopen in January, the pressure on the NHS as a whole will be lower than if you delay reopening them until February. Better, surely, if the NHS is forced to cope with hospital admissions peaking first in three regions, then in the other four, than in all seven simultaneously?
The authors of the paper acknowledge this in Table 1 on p.10, reproduced below.
As you can see, peak ICU occupancy in 2021 is projected to be 113% of peak ICU occupancy in March/April of this year if schools reopen in January, and 114% if they remain closed. Similarly, the number of ICU beds occupied by Covid patients when infections peak in 2021 is projected to be 3,310 if schools reopen, but 3,360 if they remain closed.
In other words, even the SAGE lockdown zealots grudgingly acknowledge that delaying the reopening of schools (and universities) by a month will put more pressure on the NHS than if you reopen them in January.
Stop Press: Teachers will be added to the priority list when the AstraZeneca vaccine is approved next week. There are fewer than half a million teachers in England. Problem solved, surely?
Nightingales Still Empty
The Telegraph has a good story in today’s paper about the scandal of the empty Nightingales.
They were opened with great fanfare at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic – vast new facilities designed to save the NHS.
But as the UK is gripped by a second wave of Covid, the £220 million Nightingale hospitals lie empty, with medics warning that, even if they are needed, they do not have the staff to open them.
On Monday, the hospital in London’s Excel centre not only had no patients, it is understood to have been stripped, with beds and ventilators missing. Barriers protecting the facility had been removed, partition boards which separated beds were stacked outside and signs directing ambulances lay on the floor.
A single security guard watched the door, while nearby residents said that they had seen oxygen tanks, previously under 24 hour guard, being removed in November.
A contractor who helped supply and set up the facility told the Telegraph it was “disgusting” that it had been dismantled and a colleague, who was working at the site two weeks ago, said the facilities inside had been “ripped out”.
Meanwhile, the Nightingale at Birmingham’s NEC and the one in Sunderland are also empty but on standby, while Manchester’s is open for “non-Covid care”, with that at Harrogate being used as a “specialist diagnostics centre” and Bristol’s deployed for “local NHS services”.
Birmingham’s Nightingale can be opened in 72 hours if needed, it has been claimed. But Ian Sharp, the clinical lead for elective care at University Hospitals Birmingham (UHB), said that, with hospitals in the region full, “taking staff out of those organisations to open what is effectively a field hospital fills many of us with dread” and was therefore being treated as a “last resort”.
If it really is impossible to staff the Nightingales – and that’s the reason they’ve been largely unused – why didn’t the Department for Health anticipate that before committing £220 million to building them? Did Matt Hancock just commission them without a thought as to how they’d be staffed? One for the public inquiry.
Stop Press: Perhaps the reason the Nightingales haven’t opened is because the NHS doesn’t need the extra critical care capacity. See the below graph from the Spectator comparing ICU occupancy on Dec 20th with the the three-year average for December.
The Great Preset
James Alexander, an Assistant Professor in the Department of Political Science at Bilkent University in Turkey, has written a follow-up piece to Cockupspiracy, which Lockdown Sceptics published earlier this month. In this one, he develops the idea that the political situation we find ourselves in is neither cock up nor conspiracy, but something in between. It was made possible by what he calls “the Great Preset”. Here’s an extract:
There is something which has to be said immediately about conspiracy in relation to the current crisis. The current crisis is the twisting of an apparent crisis caused by the disease COVID-19 into a real crisis by the political response which I have called Polis-20. The crisis is a consequence of an unusually intense attempt to combine scientific and political imperatives, as mediated by an agitated press. It is difficult to know how to frame a causal explanation: whether to blame scientists or politicians or those who mediate scientific and political claims and hence sanction them and harden them into public opinion. But we can avoid ascribing exact blame by saying that policy has infected scientific claims just as scientific models have infected political claims. The word ‘infected’ is of course a metaphor, derived from viruses. It should be obvious why it comes to mind.
At every point it is possible to ascribe blame to conspiracy or cock-up, though I prefer cockupspiracy, the view that in any human activity there is no simple competence or incompetence but a thousand combinations of competence and incompetence. In this case, what I think we have seen, since politicians and scientists and the media have been so eager to form an alliance against the people, is that the incompetence of the handling of matters has at every point ratcheted up the despotic tendency of the policies initially supposed to have been legitimated by the competent handling of matters.
Though I suggest that it is wiser to allege cockupspiracy than either conspiracy or cock-up, I think that it is important to say the following. What has happened in 2020 all over the world, in terms of the imposition of a deliberately despotic policy of masks, distancing and lockdown, is so significant that even if it is not a conspiracy (and I am saying it is not) it is on such a scale that we are certainly not wrong to consider it as if it is a conspiracy. The scale of the imposition of controls by states over citizens is so unparalleled outside of conditions of war or revolution that finding of fault is an inevitability, ascription of blame a necessity, resentment a duty. This is because even if through thoughtlessness or local self-interest someone perpetuates the current policies they are guilty of perpetuating one of the most dangerous tendencies of policy I have ever seen in all my years of reading history.
Even if we do not believe in the conspiracy of the World Economic Forum or the Trilateral Commission, I think we should be as vigilant as if there is a conspiracy. One way of being vigilant is to pay some attention to history. Politicians and scientists rarely know much about the great traditions of politics in the West. And I think we can discern in that history some useful suggestions for making sense of our current situation. In particular, I think attention ought to be drawn to what I am going to call the Great Preset.
The Great Reset seeks a world government of extreme competence. If not a conspiracy, it certainly is the desire to have one.
The Great Preset is not an aspiration. It is the world we live in. It is not yet a world of world government. It is a world of states.
Worth reading in full.
When Boris Was a Braver Man
A reader has sent in quite a jolly poem. For understandable reasons, he wishes to remain anonymous. “Just credit it to Wise Doggerel,” he suggested.
When Boris was a braver man,
He faced down Project Fear.
We need the same for COVID now;
From others we should hear.Try Heneghan, not Vallance, please,
Clare Craig not JVT,
Mike Yeadon over Ferguson,
And see where we could be.It’s not like there’s no Covid now.
The places spared in Spring
Have suffered in the Autumn gloom.
And yes, it’s still a thing.But dig down deep and what d’you see?
The 111 calls flat,
Emergency admissions too,
And excess deaths at that.A plague of “cases” stalks the land:
Disease misdiagnosed.
Our Christmases were ruined and
The little shops are closed.Please heed the voice of common sense:
Dear Boris, hear our plea –
Be done with tiers, allay our fears,
And set this country free!
Round-up
- “Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis” – New paper in the the Journal of the American Medical Association finds no evidence of asymptomatic transmission in households. Read a summary of the paper’s findings here
- “Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19” – Letter from Professor Allyson Pollock in the BMJ saying much the same thing
- “George Galloway’s bizarre trip to Queen of the South to end in charge for club” – Queen of the South Football Club has issued a string of grovelling apologies after George Galloway posted a picture of himself and his family attending a Boxing Day match in spite of Scotland being in Tier 4
- “How COVID-19 switched off the lights of 25,000 businesses” – Latest bulletin from the Telegraph‘s ‘Lost Britain’ series about the collateral damage wrought by the Covid restrictions
- “10,000 medics and volunteers recruited to administer jab” – An army of more than 10,000 medics and volunteers has been recruited by the NHS to help deliver the Oxford vaccine
- “The Covid Crimes Tribunal” – Laura Perrins in the Conservative Woman fantasises about hauling Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson before a Nuremberg-style court in which they will be held to account for their crimes against humanity
- “The Covid Conundrum” – Another post from Omar S. Khan in which he looks back at the terrible year we’ve had
- “Two thirds of England could be in Tier 4 Covid restrictions this week” – With the Tier restrictions due to be reviewed tomorrow, Whitehall sources predict two-thirds of England could end up in Tier 4
- “Ski resorts remain open in Austria despite third national lockdown” – Forget Verbier. Zürs and St Anton are still open!
- “Lockdown: a deadly, failed experiment” – Fraser Myers in Spiked speaks truth to power
- “Coronavirus in Scotland: Top doctors fear ‘perfect storm’ could soon overwhelm the NHS” – Not great news for Nic Sturge-On if true
- “Lockdowns don’t work – why?” – Nick Hudson, coordinator of PANDA, on the collateral damage caused by lockdowns (ignore the health warning that pops up on Medium)
- “Escape From Lockdown Christmas Special” – In this special Christmas edition of the podcast the guest of honour is Kathryn Flett. If you’re a podcast fan, don’t miss the Planet Normal Christmas special or Joe Rogan’s recent interview with Alex Berensen
- “Overdose deaths far outpace coronavirus fatalities in San Francisco as lockdowns continue” – A total of 621 people have died of drug overdoses in the city this year, compared to 173 deaths from COVID-19
- Watch Maajid Nawaz’s full-throated attack on lockdown on his LBC show
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just two today: “Climbing Up the Walls” by Radiohead and “I’m Glad I’m Not Young Anymore” by Maurice Chevalier.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing Stories
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Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you the list of naughty words proscribed by the University of Michigan.
If any readers feel like composing a paragraph or two using as many of the proscribed words as possible, we’ll happily publish the best ones.
Stop Press: Joshua Katz, a Classics Professor at Princeton, has written a piece for Spectator USA about the recent woke nonsense at Dalton School, his alma mater.
Stop Press 2: A high school student in Nevada is suing her school over the “coercive, ideological indoctrination” that is central to its Critical Race Theory-based curriculum that forces students to associate aspects of their identity with oppression.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p, and he’s even said he’ll donate half the money to Lockdown Sceptics, so everyone wins.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.
Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.
Stop Press: A reader has emailed me to ask why it is that the “Focused Protection” proposed by the authors of the GBD is so often dismissed as far too difficult to achieve?
I am puzzled by the typical pushback against the ideas in the Great Barrington Declaration – that we should protect the elderly and vulnerable while the rest get on with life and supporting the economy.
I read arguments such as “it isn’t practical”, “some communities have older folk living with them”, and “school kids are sometimes looked after by grandparents”. This leaves two questions.
The first question is what proportion of the population would find it totally impractical to protect their elderly relatives while life goes on as normal? If, as I suspect, it is a relatively small proportion then why are we not looking for ways to do so to let the majority out of lockdown?
The second question concerns how we would achieve this. I don’t know the answer, but I look around me and see vaccines developed in a very short time; I see innovations in technology; I see Nightingale hospitals up and running in a few weeks; I see, or saw because I am of that age, man land on the moon.
So why is the Great Barrington idea dismissed out of hand as too hard so we won’t even bother to try?
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here. Alas, he’s now reached the end of the road, with the Supreme Court’s refusal to hear his appeal. Dolan has no regrets. “We forced SAGE to produce its minutes, got the Government to concede it had not lawfully shut schools, and lit the fire on scrutinizing data and information,” he says. “We also believe our findings and evidence, while not considered properly by the judges, will be of use in the inevitable public inquires which will follow and will help history judge the PM, Matt Hancock and their advisers in the light that they deserve.”
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review in December and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
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And Finally…
In this week’s episode of London Calling, James Delingpole and I manage to stay off the subject of the Great Reset – mostly – and instead talk about our best Christmas presents, Boris’s Brexit deal and Azincourt, Bernard Cornwell’s cracking historical novel. Listen here and subscribe on iTunes here.
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All school children should return. Last I heard, no child between 28 days and 15 years had died of cv, no teacher had died of cv after being infected by their pupils.
Oh, and thanks to the person who linked to the article about Belarus, I used it on another platform. If Belarus, who didn’t lock down, didn’t ban spectators at sport, really had less excess deaths than the UK, what the hell is the government playing at?
Still, I suppose some people still won’t be convinced. I was trying to convince someone about Sweden who seems to believe that they are not doing so well because their king says so, and because Finland (who it turns out are adding vitamin D to basic foods) have less cv deaths (according to official figures).
Has hancock yet provided any truth to his claim that children are more susceptible to Covid mutant .2 and if so are are they any more likely to get ill or infectious ?
Where is the evidence. They only claimed this new variant a few days ago, so they would have had to test and isolate this virus strain, not just a PCR test, on thousands of children to make such a claim. More useless models?
Mass testing on children – is this a one off, regular? It concerns me that people are so blase about this invasive test, it is not pleasant and really should this be done to children based on a claim by a government of cases of a variant strain, based on what evidence. If such an abusive policy is to executed where are the demands for evidence to support their conviction that this so-called strain exists, yet alone is ‘out of control ‘ or more ‘deadly’. I honestly wonder how far would the government have to go before people say enough. Really though, if they announced tomorrow they would be removing all children from their homes and placing them in a secure government location to ‘save the NHS ‘ would the sheeple just comply, I am beginning to think so. I am just so angry that we are allowing our lives to be ruined to save a disfunctional, not fit for purpose, burgeoning government health care provider with not a single criticism aimed at its poor performance.
I get the impression that there is ultimately nothing the sheep would not do if they were infected by further hysteria. They lose all sense of proportion. I find this with my own family members. This morning I was shouted at and ridiculed because I was not willing to be drawn into the current media hysteria about the mutant virus. They really hate it (and you) when you refuse to participate and all the abuse starts about reading fake news etc. I just ask them to calm down and not panic but know its pointless trying to reason with them.
It’s sad. Solidarity, dear Boris Bullshit.
The save the NHS nonsense, is simply cover for keeping the fake Covid-19 pot boiling. This and other senseless measures are about doing everything thing that can be done to get a maximum “voluntary” take up of one or another of Bill Gates’s intentionally dangerous vaccines. Those acceding to vaccination are effectively playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded revolver.
An interesting issue is the emergence from the shadows of COG-UK which had apparently been conducting DNA sequencing since April in mid December having apparently sequenced a mere 142k samples. It seems to me this extraordinary enterprise was hidden from the public until it became politically expedient to foist the new mutation on us. In November I wrote to PHE asking me whether the government had done any DNA sequencing and they evaded the question (letter 10 December).
In November I asked them:
“In how many cases of Covid in the UK has the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus been established by DNA sequencing? Please provide information about the status of the cases.”
On 10 December, just 5 days before Hancock came out opportunistically with his mutation I received this reply.
“”PHE do not use sequencing as a diagnostic test for SARS-CoV 2. Sequencing is only attempted where a sample has already tested positive for SARS-CoV2 using a standard diagnostic PCR test. PHE is not aware of any instances where the presence of SARS-CoV 2 has been determined using sequencing.”
So, no mention of COG-UK.
Sorry, this is ill-edited. Point is the that Public Health England hid the existence of the DNA sequencing service until shortly before Hancock and Ferguson launched their mutation scare. Previously, they hadn’t wanted attention for it, then they need to exploit it.
The COG UK presentation on 18th December showed no sign of panicking scientists, who stressed that early trends can be misleading and often disappear once new info. comes in. It is the panicking politicians who are the problem.
I didn’t see it but of course they suddenly became the centre of attention because of Hancock, Ferguson and Horby.
Do not comply!
Testing of children under 16 (unless part of a clinical diagnosis) should be banned by law. It’s child abuse.
Hate to break it to you but HOC and BBC are riddled with nonces
So, this is my just published letter to BMJ on-line. Basically, how the British government suddenly discovered in mid-December that it had been DNA sequencing SARS-CoV-2 samples for the last 8 months without mentioning it:-
Re: Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK – the emergence of COG-UKRe: Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK Jacqui Wise. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4857
Dear Editor
In November I wrote to Public Health England asking:
“In how many cases of Covid in the UK has the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus been established by DNA sequencing? Please provide information about the status of the cases.”
On 10 December, just six days before the publication of this article by Jacqui Wise [1] I received this reply:
“”PHE do not use sequencing as a diagnostic test for SARS-CoV 2. Sequencing is only attempted where a sample has already tested positive for SARS-CoV2 using a standard diagnostic PCR test. PHE is not aware of any instances where the presence of SARS-CoV 2 has been determined using sequencing.”
So, no mention of COG-UK. I am puzzled, was there any public knowledge of COG-UK before the present episode? For instance, a search on “COG-UK” in Rapid Responses produces no results, so it was scarcely on the tip of everyone’s tongue. What could have been the reason for apparently withholding the details of this no doubt very costly public enterprise?
[1] Jacqui Wise, ‘Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK’, BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)
Sadly it doesn’t matter – no one is holding them to account – make up a new lie -implement new measures move on to next news cycle. The way the vast majority of the press has behaved during this is appalling. Remember only a few weeks ago we were going to have 4,000 people a week dying – out by a huge factor even taking the “with” numbers – but every new lie is treated by the press as if true. To Biker’s point – the dumbing down of the population has been very successful – most of them it’s one swim round the goldfish tank and bang it’s a new castle !
The reason the mainstream media (MSM) is not holding the government to account is very easy to explain.
The MSM is in the Government’s pocket. Just look at the massive advertising campaign re Covid. Radio, TV, newspapers, it’s wall to wall and government is spending millions on this campaign which has been relentless for 10 months and continuing.
The Government is the MSM biggest advertising client and BBC are playing ball in return for dropping the threat of decriminalising non-payment of the licence fee.
This why the media faithfully parrot government’s propaganda.
Exactly.
so much for a free press. Really, all politicians should have to watch The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (where war is declared on the Shinbone Star’s freedom). John Wayne, great film.
And here we have a Health Minister with no scientific or medical background, no previous job in the real world.
Oh! – just remembered – he’s got a PPE though.
politics philosophy economics? I do find it hard to understand how people who’ve studied economics are so willing to collaborate in the degrading of the economy. Perhaps they should’ve studied history
It’s a bit worrying when some obscure Hancock statement is the only that is vulnerable to criticism.
I have to admit I’m becoming a bit more concerned about the situation. Throughout the first 9 months of the year I knew of no-one who’d had Covid-19 but I now personally know several – most of them young – who are pretty ill with it.
I never doubted it is a real and nasty condition. I try to take precautions as I am vulnerable I’m here as I strongly object to the Government locking us up, making people depressed and suicidal, damaging their immune systems through stress, not giving sensible advice and destroying the economy, lives and livelihoods
Not a statement for a down vote. But sloppy.
Many can muster solopsistic evidence for the opposite case, and, bluntly, there aren’t bodies in the streets, and haven’t been for nine months.
It is a pity that the only reliable data is the enumeration of corpses – but that’s how it is – and we know that indicator shows no epidemic at all – just a seasonally rising death rate in line with all years. Even the analysis of the April spike makes no difference to the analysis of a moderately high infection season into 2020, that is only a ‘pandemic’ by virtue of altered definition.
Ill with what, the confirmed through isolation then globally peer reviewed resulting in thousands of the exact same isolated virus, or just the general PCR gold standard test that has resulted in a positive test and could be any fuckin coronavirus RNA?
It’s funny because I’m not too old just yet and I’ve got a pretty nasty tasting cough right now that I’ve picked up from one of my kids but neither of us are wetting the bed or expecting the world to lockdown. Truth be told, it took super human strength to stop myself licking the mother-in-law. Kept the windows closed though.
Actually now it’s 6 children between 1-14 years old have died with a positive test in the preceding 28 days.
But it’s the 15-19 year olds where the figures get truly frightening – 11 people died after a positive test, that’s 1 in 335,000 – no wonder they want to shut secondary schools !
Listen to the experts – they know so much more than us !
I’m sickened by this ridiculous and wicked government.
Let me guess, most of them will have been the ones with sick notes to be excused PE.
Chart showing percentage of deaths involving Covid from the ONS
Overall 10.4% of all deaths were under 60 , but only 6.25% of covid deaths were under 60
0.14% of all deaths were , sadly children between 1 and 15 years old, 0.01% of the covid deaths were in this age group
Closing schools is insane, considering the damage done to the education, welfare, future prospects and mental heath of the children – this is criminal
I wonder how many children died of the flu last year? Mind you they would not have put that as the cause. They would have put down all the causes unlike covid. Of the six little kids that died, most were seriously ill.
Actually they will list cause as influenza (ICD10 code is 99). Tested by pcr in the hospital lab using an approved pcr test. Children typically have a higher hospital admission rate for influenza per capita than the elderly. But they don’t die from it. There are also approved antivirals, but they aren’t great by time of admission.
The question really is not how many children died, but how many people were admitted to hospital having caught it from their children.
83 died of RSV virus – the symptoms of which in adults are identical to a cold.
More school age children died in 2019 vs 2020 according to the ONS (786 (2020) vs 902 (2019))
I am having a real problem downloading the previous years mortality datasets from the ONS website
Thanks for that. Reminds me of the old chestnut, that we should ban driving children to school as the number who die in accidents on the school run is probably more than that. Perhaps we could see some headlines in the msm with that figure – “1 in 335,000” – perhaps even people who don’t get arithmetic would understand that.
The reason Belarus didn’t lockdown, and the reason that we did, was admitted by the President of Belarus when he allegedly said that he had been pressured to lock his country down by the WEF/World Bank. They allegedly told him that if he didn’t, there would be no further lending of any kind allowed to him.
It is an obvious conclusion that Boris the Stupid was pressured in the same way, along with all the other governments.
The President of Belarus, being a bear of little brain, but a reasonably decent man as far as supporting his own country, went to Putin as the loans required were not substantial (in state-to-state terms). Putin said yes. The President of Belarus then drew himself up to his full height and declared to those blackmailing him; “GFY”. Being further not a man possessed of magnificent wisdom, but using what he felt was common sense, he went on telly to announce his decision as to the sum total of all actions which he desired his countrymen to adopt with regard to the (at the time) new virus; “Drink more vodka”.
That was it. By the merest sequence of flukes, and because he knew no better, he saved his country from all the damage we suffered.
Plotline of A Very British Coup, Ray Macanally. BBC if I remember correctly.
Channel4 and one of the best
still available on All4
We know Macron pressured Johnson to introduce a lockdown. Macron – ex-banker and chief of European globalists – threatened to close the Channel to all movement of goods and people. Johnson should have responded by threatening to close the Channel west to east to all EU traffic but he folded.
Isn’t the World Bank collectively made up of 180 odd countries that are members, thus they’re both making up the rules and lending the money to themselves? (I think I’m beginning to see why no fucker in any of these governments or organisations is calling out the disgraceful conflicts of interests between big Bill, Imperial College, Oxford Uni, SAGE, the WHO, GAVI and the drug makers and pushers).
I’m beyond incandescence.
(I’d rather have the Who
)
To be fair, he did recommend saunas as well as wodka.
Reminds me of when Belgium went for months without a government and things carried on pretty much as normal. We might in many cases be better off with someone like the president of Belarus than politicians to be too clever and micromanage a virus.
So far as when this is all over (if it ever is) is concerned, I should say I’m quite prepared to forgive some of the ignorant sheeple who went along with it knowing no better, however, those in Big Pharma and the CCP, those who were all too willing to listen to them and their proxies and are guilty as sin should face the full weight of Nuremberg mark II. I have been suspicious of big pharma’s political influence for years, and my suspicions were confirmed when my favourite food, apricot kernels, were banned from being sold as a food by the EU. Even if you don’t believe it prevents cancer, why were they so keen to ban it when I and others have been taking them for years without any ill effects? And how much else is big pharma influencing if their anti-laetrile campaign can sway the powers that be like this?
Another German reference for Annie, from Max Frisch’s Andorra (a play where Andorra represented Switzerland during ww2) – “Ich bin nicht Schuld (I am not guilty) – what all the characters who had collaborated in the evil (an allegory of Nazi evil) said at the end of the play. They were just doing their duty or whatever. The current collaborators must not get away with it!
I loathe and detest the zombies only fractionally less than their controllers. But we can’t put virtually the entire population on trial, however much they deserve it as acccessories before, during and after the fact. We shall have to live with them afterwards.
Unless, of course, they all decide to hide under the bed for the rest of their miserable existences.Think of all the room that would give us to enjoy our own, real lives.
Agree. As I said here yesterday we’ll have people going “its time for healing let bygones be bygones” and while we will have to live with them afterwards I think we have a sacred duty to remind them of their cowardice and their willingness to condone evil.
Definitely. Never forget, never forgive.
Eventually, and only after a grovelling level of contrition by the sheeple, a condescending pat on the head to fogive; but always bring the subject up again at the slightest pretext.
I absolutely guarantee you that there will be a call for a “Truth & Reconciliation” commission because the numbers and embarrassment will be so huge.
Yes, I was thinking about a truth and reconciliation-type commission of some kind, depending on how this all ends up (if it ever ends). There might also be something like how the German population was treated after the Second World War (in the West), where active de-nazification took place in an environment of common guilt.
While I try to be fair to people, I think we should not infantilise them; this is actually one of the reasons why we are where we are. Adults need to be treated as such and held responsible for allowing this to happen (at least in democracies). Being an adult in a democracy entails some responsibility as a citizen.
Perhaps I’m being unfair, but I will never be able to forgive most people for going along with this. I was against it from the beginning, seeing where it would go and what it would do to us. I was treated like a leper by colleagues and even friends. To hell with them.
Well said and I think at some point there will be a drawing of a line under the sand. I will be professional outwardly but will never trust a great many people again. Ever.
Agree with this. And don’t forget families too, my dad’s crass response to my message was the final straw for me and I’m done with them for the time being.
I’ve pulled back with some people and I don’t expect to socialise with them or even remain friends when this is all over. If I confront them, I won’t be surprised if they will use the “I was protecting you/keeping you safe” defence but I don’t see it that way. I would interpret their refusing to meet up or even their exaggerated attempts at social distancing to be an insult and a sign that they don’t want to be friends with me anymore. So why should I bother?
We will need a dephobicisation programme to wean people off the fear. There should be wide ranging public health information emphasising that viruses are a natural part of life and our bodies we well adapted to dealing with them, that our natural immunity is a powerful controller of disease and that by eating well, taking some vitamin supplements and following basic hygiene rules, we can stay well into old age.
They tried Truth and Reconciliation in South Africa. How well did that work?
Indeed. They should never be allowed to forget that they allowed all this to happen and even collaborated with it.
And well said about a “Truth & Reconciliation” because many people will be desperate to cover up what they did. Plus anticipate a mass deletion of virtue signalling posts and photos on social media when this is all over.
We can however note them down and blame them face to face for all the misery and deaths to come.
The zombies are just very annoying. The movers and shakers behind this atrocity are criminal. I might get over the first, but not the second.
Over Xmas I rewatched a lecture from Yale by historian John Merriman in which he examines collaboration and resistance in nazi occupied Europe.
One of his interesting observations is that many people in Poland, France, Belgium and The Netherlands collaborated because the nazis were doing what they wanted doing in getting rid of Jews gays and Gypsies.
Not only did local Police make the arrests they also manned the transit camps en route to Germany. This was denied in France until the 1980’s.
The fascist regime of Vichy France used the word ‘Shield’ to defend this policy, claiming that giving the nazis what they wanted ‘Shielded’ the rest of the population.
John asks the question several times “did they know (about the death camps) ? Of course they knew, everyone knew”
John Merriman Yale University Lectures
YouTube
I agree. There was a lot of popular support and acquiescence for what they did. Everywhere in Europe. Including here in the UK. Not just in Germany and Austria.
Popularity does not equal morality. Despotic evil is always justified as a way to “protect” humanity. People forget that all historical evil was never badged as evil but was always justified as moral.
I think many of us also know that Churchill was pretty much the only member of the 1930s British political class who consistently opposed Hitler. Whatever else he got wrong (and it was a lot of things….) he deserves his greatness purely for that. It outweighs every other fault he may have had.
The majority of quotation corner confirm your para 2 second sentence.
Piers Corbyn is the only good Corbyn unfortunately. Jeremy has fully supported the tyranny and I suspect we would have been under a Melbourne style lockdown to ‘protect’ the NHS and that most large businesses would have been nationalised. Really hoped he would come out and support his brothers stand at least in principle in the media.
I don’t think Jezza believes in Lockdown. He doesn’t even bother to adhere to it himself! People also forget he was a massive euro skeptic too. No wonder people are so disillusioned with politics when everything has to be prescribed as right vs left. It’s a nasty American habit we need to drop.
Have you read Cracked?. It’s a few years old now but probably still as relevant.
My dad was diagnosed with clinical depression and that prompted my research. In the beginning the doctors were basically experimenting on him, with one drug almost helping him to top himself.
I agree with you, they’re all in it for the money.
httpss://www.waterstones.com/book/cracked/james-davies/9781848316546
Peter Hitchens is very good on how some of these,psychoactive drugs are very dangerous, being associated with not just suicide but also mass killings.
No mercy to the collaborators
Sorry
Dr Vernon Coleman’s book ‘How to Stop Your Doctor Killing You’ is a great read. If I could have my tine all over again the thing I would change is that I would keep well away from the medical profession as much as possible. All my illnesses have been caused by inappropriate drugs (and the drugs to counteract the side effects of that drug and so on) and treatment. I used to work for the NHS and the public would be horrified if they knew the truth.
Go ahead, then, horrify the public. They deserve it.
Andorra is a great play. Die Brandstifter fits our current scenario very well.
And that’s why they’ll never allow it to be all over.
Since it is a disease you might not know you’ve got, how will we know when we get over it?
Very interesting about apricot kernels, I found the banning unexplained as many wholefood shop staff have too.
I know of a relative who ended up taking a whole series of medications including one for low blood pressure and one for high blood pressure- to be taken at the same time!
I do not watch television
Once every day I view the BBC news website
I do this to find out what is not the truth, and what line of propaganda the government are pushing on any given day
Cecil, you are a brave man.To visit the BBC website must be like wading through s…t.
And you do it for us.
You are a hero.
Agreed
Ditto. My total boycott of MSM has been complete for months now.
Me too, I just come on here (other than a snowflake board where I lurk to test the temperature. They are all babbling today about how everyone they know is testing positive despite only going to the supermarket and always being masked, but rather than question the efficacy of the test they are awestruck by the power of the new variant).
They probably don’t question the efficacy of their face nickers either.
They’re so predictable!
It is curious how it works on that emotional level. The BBC content is so repellent many many people actively avoid it. It is so disgusting to read the fresh words of new lies and new words of continued lies.
Interesting observation @Basics. Yes it is a visceral recoiling from horrible stuff now. From not watching the telly, I can now no longer listen to R4 at all as all the content is woke infused and I even leap for the volume control on R3 when a news summary is flagged. I listen to French FIP radio quite a bit now which is news free and generally good quality. I get some of the French but it isn’t needed as chat is limited. Recommended.
Similarly I have not watched any television for 15 years.
I sometimes click unknowingly on a BBC video clip or web page but treat it with caution.
I do however listen to BBC R4 in the morning and R2 around lunchtime, like you to be aware of what the government is spouting as serious news and later populist propaganda.
I consider myself immune to their wiles and stratagems having occasionally predicted their next move before they had thought of it (not because I am so clever rather because they are so predictable).
Agreed. Need to see whats being sold on MSM to better grasp what is (not) going on.
Likewise…today they were back full circle to condemning people to hell for walking in the Brecon Beacons
Managed to socialise normally, as in days of yore, with 2 friends on the 25th: lunch, celebratory Prosecco, presents, conversation.
However, one friend ,who is still fully signed up to imprisonment without parole, has now decided that ‘the new variant’ , now being whipped up by the media, poses such a threat that she will have to avoid all young people as potential plague spreaders.
I attempted a brief account of viral mutation commonly leading to reduced virulence, since killing the hosts would inevitably lead to viral demise, but she was having none of it.
Admittedly, I’m no specialist, merely appalled by what has befallen us, but I tried to use the analogy of viewing a convenient human as a parking space for the virus, a phenomenon which has led to our coexistence for millennia.
Both friends want the vaccine, so I decided not to declare my opposition.
Meanwhile, we’re back in Tier 4, masks everywhere- discarded on pavements, gagging faces, fiddled with and utterly pointless.
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2020/welcome-to-covidworld/
This might explain why some people are “having none of it”.
Stuff tier 4, stuff those filthy masks!
Has any teacher actually died yet after being infected by their pupils? Or perhaps this teenage mutant ninja bug will be different? One for Bebop or Rocksteady!
How do we get MPs to read such material much of which we are familiar with ?
That would only be of any use if they weren’t all in a conspiracy to destroy us and take away life as we once knew it. Above with the article is it a conspiracy goes all the way to show the lengths decent people like Toby want to hide behind the obvious because to admit a conspiracy means we truly are living under occupation. We no longer run our own country and will now have to live under the global tyranny of the climate emergency. Aside from wither or not there is a climate crisis these people say there is and they are coming for you. They want our cars, our boilers, our holidays, our cash, our ability to trade between ourselves. For all the dumb fucks like Rich H it’s exactly the kind of society they want but being lefties they have a hard time seeing it. We have been bounced into a world of total and utter communism. Which can only end in total failure after these people have killed millions if not billions this time. As far as not saying to your friends you won’t take the vaccine then you’ve let yourself down, your family down and the us skeptics down. Now is not the time to be keeping quiet like Karenovirus did, now is the time to tell these fuckers that you won’t be doing what they say, you won’t be living in an unvaxed ghetto and you will fight back.
? See bellow.
Maybe they’ve been banned from reading such material? Gag order.
i have gotten so disgusted with seeing people in their filthy face masks that they’re constantly fiddling with that I don’t even want to go anywhere that I could encounter them.There’s exactly one muzzle-free pub in our town, that’s where we go when we want a sliver of normal human interaction. Our shopping is down to the most absolutely necessary for the running of our household (and we’ve since discovered there’s all kinds of stuff we really don’t need) just to avoid having to see the sheep with all the face diapers, even if we go unmuzzled. All this compliance makes me so FURIOUS I really have to suppress the temptation to try to slap sense into them.
I quite agree; it’s the blank stares which accompany the gags which I find so unsettling.
Same as you for shopping: done as quickly as possible, early in the mornings, before the zombies replicate.
Oh, the horrid, suspicious, malicious, venomous, beady little eyes of the (female) ultrazombie.
And the nightmare suspicion that under the ordinary zombie face knickers there’s just a featureless blank.No person. Not even an animal. Animals have expressions. Animals have emotions. Animals are not self-cancelled nothingnesses.
Unfortunately its made most people mentally ill.
Each to their own Elizabeth but I refuse to alter my behaviour in any way except to try to share a smile with fellow bare faced people.
Did you not say you kept quiet to your friends about not taking the vax? That’s changing your behaviour. Just tell them you won’t have it and while you’re at it tell your friends that they are fucking morons for believing tis obvious bullshit and if they wanted to find out what was really going down it isn’t hard. We’re nearly a year into this and if we don’t argue with each and every single supporter of this then you’d be as well putting on the mask, get the vax, selling your car, turning off your boiler and eating fucking soya beans while you live off the food coupons our socialist government has so kindly given you in exchange for your new, improved, keep everyone safe, protect the NHS freedom.
Nope, I’ve never said that, I’ve never discussed taking the vaccine with anyone but I have asked a couple of medics if they would be.
It was me Biker, in particular circumstances,as I did not wish to start an argument on the 25th.
However, I’ve said to many others that I won’t have it.
I choose when and how to challenge the zealots; this might not meet with your approval but we all resort to differing strategies.
I’ve never had the slightest hint of success of inducing any doubt whatsoever in anyone else I know – and just about everyone I know has bought fully into this.
Their minds are closed. They are no longer capable of rational thought or analysis, and perhaps never were.
Go only knows where this ends.
Same here, no point anymore. Those not awake now will sleep forever.
The only consolation is that perhaps they don’t really count for much. Their response is reactionary, and shallow. Their ‘opinions’ will blow and change with the wind. Sceptics, however, although vastly outnumbered, have generally thought long and hard about this, and are far stronger for it. That’s why I still think we’ll pull through eventually.
I recall you posting the other day that your comrades in Helmand would all have been against this shitshow – I think I have that right. Do you think that’s because they can identify the relative level of risk better than most people? Or is it because they can see through the tripe?
As I recall you alluding to in that post, in my experience (mainly naval, from a civilian viewpoint) the senior officers are essentially corporate mouthpieces, and no one pulls them up.
Quality versus quantity, TJN.
They do look dead behind the eyes its so unsettling. Even when they try to smile, it looks fake and forced, that’s why I end up not really looking at masked people directly because I find the whole thing disturbing and not helped that I can’t understand what they’re saying.
Hence why like you I avoid going into the shops and if I have to, its to grab what I want, pay and leave. No browsing and no more impulse purchases.
I think it will be bricks through windows and people with the equivalent of pitchforks soon. The madness is that they blame us when the reverse is the truth.
My thoughts exactly. Except I don’t have an unmasked pub to go to.
I HATE masks.
I hate the masks, dirty filthy naps spreading disease.
I have had a similar experience. While chatting to a friend on the phone discussing plans for Christmas. I said I would be calling in to see my family to drop off my grandsons gift and that I may call by just to say Happy Christmas on my way home. I was stunned that my friend of 50 years said that I would not be welcome to call. When asked why? I was told. “Its because you do not wear a mask when you go outside or when you go to the shops. I don’t want you to infect me with the mutant virus and kill me.” or words to that effect. And that’s that!
Shortly after I received a text message saying,”Does your family know you go out without a mask/ And are they happy for you to visit? It was a nice try at inflicting a guilt trip but my answer to both questions was Yes & Yes.But those two questions may have scarred a long friendship, time will tell.
My friend has become a fully indoctrinated “Mask Nazi” and I am saddened and at the same time incandescent with rage that this should happen.
It seems that synapses have somehow been switched off in the brain that prevent any ability to think critically and listen to reasoned argument.
Wilful stupidity is what I’d call it; after all,whether or not they’re all in the grip of terror ,they have to choose to abide by this particular stance, even though this choice will be concealed beneath layers of self righteous censure of the heretics and free thinkers.
I saw several young children,accompanied by their mothers,all masked up in the supermarket today; it’s so depressing and I feel like an alien species now.
PS: I received a mild ticking off from a rules-following friend before Christmas,when I broke out and invited another friend in for coffee and an exchange of books.
To think that so harmless an activity could attract criticism; it’s unbelievable.
Your friend is just the kind of person that the government needs to continue propagating its nefarious deeds. Good Stasi material.
They were hoping all along that one day they could make a statement like that. They need as much fodder as they can muster. Evil.
I find this too….once hysteria sets in all reason evaporates and abuse takes its place. Best to avoid her until this is over if it ever is.
I would happily pull back and when you’re asked why tell that person the truth.
I’ve said from the beginning (ad infinitum and ad nauseam) that if these bits of blue stuff were truly effective, then they’d be considered highly contaminated material, and as such would be treated as hazardous waste, with proper bins provided for their disposal.
The government overplaying its hand is one possible way this all collapses. School closures are going to annoy a lot of people.
Every time I think, “This time the government has overplayed its hand,” sure enough the sheeple keep going along. If enough parents are convinced the “new” mutant strain is a danger to their children they’ll be more than happy to obey. That’s the insidious thing about them putting it out there that children *may* be more at risk now; it had become very clear that children are not at all at risk themselves and were not spreading it, so the fear factor had to be amped up to ensure continued compliance. Where they, and the WHO, may overplay their hand is with more and more “new” strains such that people finally give up and say we’ve done all we can, there’s no way to eradicate an endemic virus, and it’s time to move on. Probably wishful thinking on my part…
You have to admire the industry of the terror merchants, though.They must consult one another every day, for hours, in their untiring attempts to think up more lies.
Yes. I wonder who’s paying them to do all this?
Well, good night Vienna!
Sponsored by the globalist trillionaire shadow government FILTH
The World Bank threatens to withdraw support if they don’t.
they don’t give a fuck these cunts aint human. The sold their soul to the devil a long time ago.
Many of them believe in the occult, an important fact, they think completely differently. People still say it is a ‘conspiracy’ but it is even on Wikipedia that the most powerful men in the world met each year to take part in occult rituals at Bohemian Grove.
They were closed most of this year and the sheeples didn’t even bleat.
It will give a lot of other people excuse to stay off work to look after their unschooled children.
Bro, most of the country are too thick to understand how important schooling is for children. This is obvious when you consider most of us send our little bastards to state school where the chances of learning anything are slimmer than socialist admitting they steal money from your pocket because they can’t manage their own life without it.
Every time we think the government has overplayed its hand, we are disappointed.
Had a zoom call last night with friends with kids who were indeed moaning about the possibility of the schools not reopening but of course, they will go along with it when it happens. What else can they do?
So I keep hearing, for about 9 months now. There is no ‘overplaying’ as the sheeple believe whatever the Thinking Box tells them; case in point, the ‘new’ more transmissible variant – no evidence but TV said so.
It fucked everyone over – including the childless, as everyone at my work was made to work harder to pick up the slack from parents who were home schooling all day rather than wfh.
When the shit hits the fan its usually the singles or childless who have the extra work dumped on them!
From the BMJ article referenced above:
The UK’s testing strategy needs to be reset in line with the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies’ recommendation that “Prioritising rapid testing of symptomatic people is likely to have a greater impact on identifying positive cases and reducing transmission than frequent testing of asymptomatic people in an outbreak area.’
Sounds as if the Onions came up with a bit of sense for once.So is the bloody government listening to the experts or not?
All right, don’t tell me. (Weary sigh.)
There is a rumour that Tier Five will involve no outdoor exercise and an 8pm curfew. Does anyone think they would go hat far and would it be widely obeyed/disobeyed. No, not asking for a friend in the government.
Barking mad if they do, getting outside is the way to keep healthy, shutting people up makes them sick, it is totally counterproductive. I organise work groups for local wildlife/conservation work and have noticed that people are becoming quite keen to sign up, they can see this coming and are hoping that work will be spared these restrictions and enable them to get out.
Counterproductive is what they want hence disease inducing masks and immune system destroying isolation and distancing.
Would have said no, but now, it’s possible. Thing is, always prior to the latest lockdowns, I see lots of people out and about, pubs, shops etc. Clearly those people do not agree with the lockdowns or else they’d have taken it upon themselves to stay in already.
Great, but then the very next day, they obediently vanish.
Where are they? Why are they not fighting back?
I guess it is a big step to become a law breaker. What introducing rules like this does is ruin previously relaxing and pleasurable pastimes by introducing anxiety. I think this is why many appear to go along with the rule changes. Could the tipping point be where most find it impossible to obey the rules and people just say sod it why obey any of them.
Publicly few people will admit to defiance of the pandemic restrictions. Privately it is hard to find anyone that fully complies. Lately it is refreshing to see increasing movement and visits to others houses. Obviously the big problem is businesses like pubs and restaurants and organisations like museums and schools. I do feel the tide is turning (slowly) and the real risk of this virus is being understood by a wider public. It is possible that the govt would go to the tier 5 you are asking about and yes it would be disobeyed although not initially widely.
Evidence suggests that the majority would comply. Not me though.
I noticed that the BBC (spit) no longer list exercise as a reason to leave home in Tier 4, so yes very likely, plus masks in the open air and possibly in the home.
What’s worse is that the fuckwits will obey
Insanity.
So far this year, covering the first 50 weeks, 181,535 people under 75 have died in England and Wales. The average for the last 5 years was 169,465. The UK population has grown from an average of 66.025m for those years to 67.360m in 2020, an increase of 2.02%. So on a comparable basis, the ‘excess’ deaths aged under 75 for 2020 is 8,645 people.
8,645 people in the whole of England and Wales have died over and above the average of the last 5 years due to COVID and due to the outrageous and disgusting campaign of fear led by the government of the Democratic United Kingdom. We don’t know how many in each category but even if they are all COVID that’s fewer than 1 in 5,000 under 75s who died from this ‘pandemic’ or 1 death out of every 21.
For the over 75s it’s around 1 person in 250 or 1 death in 17.
These figures have scared the government so much, they are now going to lock us all up in our houses and shut our schools, as well as pubs, restaurants, cinemas, travel, shops, etc, which are already shut.
Somebody tell me there’s more to this, or are we all being taken for fools by Her Majesty’s Government. Does she realise the killing and devastation being carried out in her government’s name. The children’s lives ruined by closing the schools, the people dying unnecessarily of cancer in their thousands, the loss of 1.2 million jobs and many more to follow, the destruction of the fabric of society, the millions upon millions of life years lost due to poverty, unemployment and mental and physical illness, the tens or hundreds of millions of people who will die in the LEDCs, and on and on.
And don’t tell me the lockdowns had any effect – they were far too late to achieve anything – they’ve hardly touched the flu figures in the UK (compare this year to the previous five), and if you look at the graphs of deaths in Sweden it’s virtually identical but scaled down compared to the UK, France, Italy and Spain etc. Germany, Denmark and Poland locked down earlier but all that happened is they’re getting the brunt of the ‘pandemic’ now instead of in April. Compare Brazil, the lockdown ‘bad boy’ of South America, to Peru, the poster child of lockdowns (spoiler: both have a virtually identical shaped COVID death chart but Peru is significantly higher on a per million basis) etc etc.
As for the supporters of these ridiculous and cruel lockdowns, who are so ready to criticise lockdown sceptics for selectively choosing our statistics, maybe they think this because they are conscious of what they themselves do. For example, In a ridiculous podcast from the Bunker “2020 Hindsight: How LOCKDOWN SCEPTICS went to war with reality”, notably short on statistics and facts and noticeably brimming with criticism of the unscientific nature of lockdown sceptics, one fact they do refer to is a study of a city in the US which is split between two states, where one half went into lockdown and one didn’t. The comment was that the difference between the two was surprisingly small, probably because the part that didn’t go into lockdown effectively acted as if it were in lockdown – that’s not only selective use of statistics, that’s shoe-horning the results into the opposite conclusion from what they suggest.
I think that the health tyrants have realised that the deaths data is looking a little threadbare to support their fascist regime. So they have turned to the safer area of an overwhelmed NHS, the data and the narrative coming from the NHS is tricky to analyse objectively, especially when they interlink it with heart wrenching stories of worn out staff and desperate patients.
There seem to be 2 things that spook the general public, deaths and any threat to the NHS, they are playing up the NHS one for all it is worth and there are still enough of the public willing to buy into this story that they will support ever more stringent lockdown measures.
So you think these people are influenced by reality ?
Anyone visiting my major regional hospital can tell there is nothing happening there, another good reason for them to be kept away as much as possible.
The main impact is the loss of beds and staff to Covid fear.
First Covid story on Local Live (mirror group news) is #5, it is not about cases or deaths but staff shortages.
When I see mortality rising outside normal limits for the quarter century, then I might start re-thinking. But there’s a long way to go to exceed that historical level. In fact, mortality is currently closer to the minimum.
And the level of that upper bound didn’t cause hysteria when it happened. My daughter was born; life otherwise went on as normal.
A large proportion of those 8,645 excess deaths will be suicides driven by lockdown.
And people who were refused or avoided essential treatment on the NHS for non-Covid related conditions.
The latest mad ravings emanating from our new unelected SAGE leaders keeps saying that only year 11 and 13 will return.
What about year 12, the first year of A levels, which for many is an exam year just like year 13?
SAGE are not the ‘leaders’. They just provide the fodder for the politicians. These incompetent snake-oil salesmen deserve no excuses and camouflage.
Whilst I agree that Boris and co use Sage to defy all responsibility, I also do feel that the voice they have, and the authority they have, far exceeds their remit.
Time after time, sage have recommended a measure, the government have ignored it, only to have sage go the very next day to the press, crying that they have been ignored.
Within hours, they have their way.
These are whistleblowers on an epic scale, and as such should not be on the public’s payroll ”advising” the elected government.
I agree with what you say but to call them “whistleblowers” is to give them cover for what is really self serving ecocentric pseudo scientific arrogance.
Junk Science.
No problemo in Gulag Wales. All exams cancelled. Nothing to get up for.
In order to remain In power the dictatorship has resorted to threatening our children and grandchildren
Hopefully it will be the rock they perish on
History of Moloch and Baal Hammon are against that hope. We had already mortgaged our grandchildren’s future to pay for current spending before the latest insanity.
https://www.aier.org/article/should-dr-birx-be-forgiven-for-breaking-her-own-rules/
Another good one from the AIER
Welcome back children. I hope you had a good Christmas. This term were going to learn about the joy, meaning and purpose of life.
But first. Masks on. Keep 2 metres apart. Get tested. Fuck off and hide.
And make sure you open the window to blow the virus particles (?) away.
Another early waking.
But I am surprised to see this :
“the recent rise in daily cases” as the rationale for an examination of lockdown measures
We know that the terms ‘cases’ and ‘infections’ are meaningless in this context. To summarize the late Kary Mullis re. the misinterpretation of PCR+ results : “Seek and ye shall find”.
… and what do we have? Yet another Scary Fairy tale – of mutant deviants – again at the point where the justification for the vaccination sweepstake (‘loads o’ money’) was stalling.
We’ve seen the blueprint for exaggerated hyperbole in the Swine ‘flu debacle.
So why take the consistently failed modellers as having something serious to say?
However you smell it, bullshit is bullshit.
Whether you agree with the scale or not, I think it exaggerates the numbers by a factor of ten, the Zoe app and the ONS Survey have been very good indicators of the trend in positive cases. Zoe shows the trend levelling off and the ONS has stopped reporting the results of its survey because it doesn’t fit with Ferguson’s bullshit. There was a disturbance to the endemic equilibrium in the south east, emanating from nosocomial transmission in the prisons on the isle of Sheppy. The herd’s immunity has absorbed the temporary rise in numbers and now cases are falling back. Lockdown has to be seen to be the reason for this natural occurrence because the alternative is that the UK has destroyed itself for zero benefit.
I found an interesting academically led YouTube podcast called This Week in Virology which has been running for quite a number of years. Obviously, in recent times, they have concentrated on the issue of the covid virus. There’s some interesting things to be said here regarding the recent two variants of Covid 19.
They discuss the statements made in the public domain by Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson and others regarding the alleged increased infectivity of this virus (71%) and make it clear that this needs to be treated with a considerable caution. Moreover, the allegation that this variance may lead to more young people being infected seems to be currently without any scientific validity.
Second, they discuss the findings of the NERVTAG meeting minutes and PHE briefing. Again, like most thorough academics, they make the point that more data is needed.
Therefore, my take from this is that the current hysteria from the mainstream media regarding these so called mutant viruses is sensationalist and without any current scientific rigour.
The bottom line is that viruses have variance in their protein coatings and this is normal in their evolution and doesn’t necessarily mean anything particularly sinister. It certainly needs to be watched but extrapolating disaster from such limited findings is unhelpful.
https://youtu.be/o6qD1EO1T9c
“the allegation that this variance may lead to more young people being infected seems to be currently without any scientific validity.”
… as is almost everything said about this variant – and others.
I have not seen any response to Carl Heneghan’s blunt call for evidence – only fiction based on the mathematical modelling of windy assumptions.
The “70% transmissibility” is now reported as fact by the press and that Independeent SAGE also advises the Government (is it not bad enough the appointed SAGE is so appalling without self appointed “experts” putting their oar in.
One of their “Doctors” was advocating Tier 4 for all the country – all this in one articke by the DM.
The doctor in question is a director of a racial equality organisation;her knowledge is what exactly?
Do journalists really care about any standards they should be keeping,any conscience – sorry stupid question – let’s leave it as rhetorical.
Anybody reading the predictions in today’s update must be stunned by this mathematical modelling. They have put in the parameters they wanted and are now proud over the results.You cannot factor in anything with that certainty and even less feed it into their models.
UK does 50 times more sequencing than any other nation. An enormous bias.
This variant has been around since Sept in all over the world.
This variant has a mutation also affecting ORF8 which can indicate less pathogenicity.
Only the UK scientists have found any preponderance of the strain in the UK.Other countries have not even bothered.
All previous investigations have not found that it became the predominant strain in other countries
Even pro vaccine lobby admits that vaccine might not protect against transmission of C-19
Leading virologists have said that you need culturing the virus from this strain and comparing it to other strains before you can assess if it is more transmissible.
In short there are so many variables in the equation that it would be utterly delusional if you can predict anything with these variables and many contradict each other.
This must be the final proof that you cannot make any predictions with the knowledge we have at the moment. The prediction is not worth the paper it is written on. Any government guided by this will commit a public health catastrophe like school closures.
To be fair the human immune system is pretty good at cross recognition of coronaviruses.- this has been known for a while.
Anything else is bio-weapon territory which isn’t helpful
What really astonishes me now is the way that Boris is strutting around claiming victory over Brexit, whilst the entire country is under actual and psychological house arrest, hospitals are all but closed, elderly people in care homes have in some cases been in criminal isolation and alone since March, businesses are failing by the day and a masked up public are too infantilised to step outside.
I voted remain and believed at the time it to be the biggest political event of my life. But now? Who cares right now?
God, you should try Joseph Stalin Dungford.
I’m another who voted ‘Remain’ – not for any particular love of current EU institutions, but because Brexit was obviously a disruptive irrelevancy in the great scheme of things – based on making money for the few and delusion for the many..
Little did I realize just how quickly the irrelevance would emerge in comparison with the reality of global financial and power structures. The image of Nero and his fiddle would be an appropriate Brexit symbol in terms of ‘control’, with key opportunist Brexiteers currently leading the parade in honour of the totalitarian state.
Currently, I’m getting no satisfaction at all from being proved right.
There are just as many people on the remain side of the camp who support lockdowns. How can you say you have been proved right?
I voted leave because I didn’t agree with supranational governments as I seen it as mission creep toward NWO (conspiracy loon that I am). I could just as easily say I am being proved right by the day.
The dude’s a socialist so he’s always right.
Mention of Uberfuhrer Boris put me in mind of Kryten’s defence speech when Rimmer was on trial in Red Dwarf;
he was a lowly grease monkey… a zero… a nothing… a piece of sputum floating in the toilet bowl of life. Yet he could never come to terms with a lifetime of under achievement, his absurdly inflated ego would never permit it. He was like the security guard on the front gate who considers himself head of the corporation……
A man so petty and small minded that he would while-away the evening sewing name-labels onto his ship issue condoms. A man of such awesome stupidity, an over zealous trumped up little squirt….. an incompetent vending machine repair man with a Napoleon complex…
Who would permit this man, this joke of a man, this man who could not outwit a used tee-bag, to be in a position where he might endanger the entire crew? who …. only a yoghurt!
I like that but it could apply to so many.
Red Dwarf as an allegory for political commentary – priceless.
He’s Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer
More reliable than a garden strimmer
the sad thing is that Johnson believes he is Ace Rimmer .
Wrestling alligators in midair?
Red Dwarf thirty years ago –
Season 4 Ep 02 – D.N.A.
30 years later mRNA
Season 4 Ep 02 – D.N.A.
30 years later mRNA
I voted leave but regard the whole business of Brexit as a distraction from the problems caused by this governments lockdown policies.
I voted Leave, but Brexit is now a total sideshow.
We are living through the worst period of government since William the Conqueror.
Absolutely agree. His triumphalism while the country (and the rest of Europe) is being destroyed is obscene – and I am a Brexiteer.
Vain egomaniac. A typical politician.
Very interesting, all too brief, discussion yesterday on the likely consequences of this governmental ineptitude that plumbs depths in this country not seen, arguably, since the eighteenth century.
Beyond dispute is that there are various ‘clever clogs’ out there hoping to use this debacle to advance their zany ideas.
The peril lies in the political law of unintended consequences, seen recently at its most hilarious (though not if you live there) in the labour party’s attempt, via devolution, to arrange power for themselves in perpetuity in Scotland.
Maybe: ‘A certain butterfly is already on the wing’ (Nabokov)
‘…..coercion was used in many cases to “encourage” the collectivization of rural areas and private property was probably taken by force in urban areas as well. The revolutionaries also never entirely took full power in the areas they controlled. In Barcelona, the city with the most significant anarchist presence, at least 25% of the economy was always outside of syndicalist influence. Rates were higher in other areas. As the revolution only lasted ten months, questions on how the society would have continued to develop remain unanswered.’
https://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/what-happens-when-anarchists-run-a-country-history-has-an-answer
You never know……it might work…….
A sudden thought: if you accept that the NHS is currently running the country, then it could be argued that an anarcho-syndicalist revolution has already taken place…….but not a bloodless one……
Very good! No indeed, Moloch demands a steady supply.
The NHS is the pretext for the fascist coup that has taken place.We are in the stage where the regime cements its power
The NHS is just one member of the Global Public Health Network.
Remember how, as kids, if a friend passed you something to eat or to drink from you’d blow on it to “blow the germs away?” Now, in the latest scientific advice for gathering in the home, we’re being told to open the windows to blow the Coronavirus particles away.
It’s science, Jim, but not as we know it.
In other news, we investigate alchemy as a possible method for turning media hysteria into CoVID-19 Vaccine.
Yes I keep hearing that strange advice. Incredible nonsense.
I have never seen anyone blow on shared drink or food – though I have seen people wipe the top of a bottle or can when sharing. Alchemy became chemistry – nuclear power stations can make gold.
There are 2kg of bacteria in us and on us. Mostly in our lower intestine. Mice bred without these bacteria act differently, recklessly. Most of our serotonin is made in our guts by bacteria.
Bacteria are not viruses. Viruses are much cmaller. And viruses are not alive.
Someone asked me about that a while ago
”How.much is 2kg of bacteria ”
I clenched my fist and replied ‘about a fistfull’
you should have said “about 4lb 6 1/2 oz” – something meaningful
A new Clint Eastwood movie.
Someone said it was about the size of a human brain.
My reply “That explains dieticians then”
2kg of bacteria? How was it calculated?
Presumably removed from a cadaver and weighed.
Kill all the bacteria (temporarily) and weigh the person before and afterwards. I have found the weight to be closer to 2 lb, but allowing for not getting all of them, it could be a bit more.
Read The Alchemist many years ago. Can’t remember anything of it.
The ‘science’ and ‘use of evidence’ around this shitshow reminds me very strongly of 17th-century witch-hunting. The same mix of paranoid fear, confirmation bias, victimisation, cowardice, moral righteousness, all driven by underlying low-level gnawing guilt and insecurity.
Newton was an alchemist too, seems strange but then he got caught by South Sea bubble. Genius close to madness.
Wow, loads of alchemy students all of a sudden.
Can only be good.
Newton’s remark on astrology seems relevant.
The South Sea Bubble is another mania which reminds me of today.
The thing is with these manias – eventually they burn themselves out. Eventually.
Hugh Trevor-Roper.
https://www.amazon.com/European-Witch-Craze-16th-Century/dp/0140137181/ref=sr_1_75?dchild=1&qid=1609254698&refinements=p_27%3AHugh+Trevor-Roper&s=books&sr=1-75
Yes, I know of the Hugh Trevor-Roper book but have never read it. I read parts of Keth Thomas’s Religion and the Decline of Magic many years ago. But it particular I’m thinking of the Bideford (1682) and Salem (1692-3) witch trials, the transcripts and various studies of which I read in detail at the same time.
We like to think we are more enlightened, and maybe some of the human race is. Most are the same, or perhaps even worse, than their 17th-century counterparts though.
It’s
sciencereligion, Jim, but not as we know it.Not a natural conspiracy theorist here, but knowing that an ignorant population is a pliant population, I might be persuaded that the government is less keen that they might seem to be when it comes to getting our children back to school.
Kind of reminds me of the “no representation without taxation” episode of The New Statesmen all those years ago.
Maybe, to counteract all the false information (newspeak for verified facts) out there, and to compensate for all the closed schools, the government can set up some sort of extra-mural organisation for our kids – a sort of CoVID Youth, with uniforms based on PPE. Naturally, they’d all be masked.
CoVID Youth or Hitler Youth?
An historian depressingly delved into the workings of a German Reserve Police unit in WW2 (a murdering unit) and found,IIRC,about 10% were zealots,10% would absent themselves when “wet work” as the Sovs called it was to be done but the vast majority just got on with their job.
When people complain of the “sheeple” or “zombies” think of that 80% and their real belief in the Nuremberg Defense – “We just followed orders”.
I agree.
We all like to think we would have opposed Hitler. That is easy to say from today’s perspective and it is physically safe plus morally advantageous to do so.
How many of us would truly have been Sophie Scholl?
The events of the last 9 months have shown how scarily easy it would be for a proper totalitarian state to take hold.
Yes, the fragility of all we thought we had. Almost unbearable to contemplate, fortunately not for too long in my case (just passage of time, nothing more sinister).
And this is not a proper one?
This is one.
It is Coronunism
‘Covid Youth’ – Chilling.
I don’t suppose Boris and his mates read lockdownsceptics but you really shouldn’t put such ideas into his head!
Boris ? mates ? Come on OB, you’re perpetuating the ‘cuddly’ image.
He’s Johnson, and he has minions/advisors/apparatchiks/handlers.
Really like the James Alexander piece. It seems a very good perspective on what is really going on here, in historical / sociological terms.
If I understand it correctly: the Covid situation scared lots of people and this has led the political / elite class to put in place a kind of Benevolent Dictatorship. In this process, the populists who have been rebelling against politically correct culture have ended up being disarmed. They have been scared by Covid too and have put their trust in the political, scientific and media elite to “protect” them. The state is then the only institution in town in a world where religion has declined, trade unions are no longer a force and charities, universities, scientists etc. are largely funded by it.
For me, this is almost the definition of fascism, which is the fusion of state and society; with independent power and idea centres oppressed.
in such a situation, war is often used by ruling elites as a way to create unity and stay in power. This is even if that is not the root cause of the war. This current situation feels increasingly analogous to war: the one issue perspective, the urge to win at all costs, the unwillingness to consider alternatives, the doubling down on failed policies with the mantra that we must not give up, the refrain that previous sacrifice must not be vain, the stoking up of fear if one does not toe the line, the general authoritarian approach and the appeal to moral righteousness as justification. There is also the carrot of victory that never quite comes in the shape of the vaccine.
How do we get out of this mess? I fear it is not amenable to rational debate.
johnson is still trying to present himself as the new Churchill and this requires him to pretend Covid is the equivalent of WW2.
I was just about to post the same sort of comment, but thought I would check if someone had already posted. Totally agree with your thoughts. It is not open to rational debate, its a state sponsored ‘religion’.
I am struck by how writers of 100 years ago, such as Wells and Forster saw this clearly as a likely destiny of society. If Preset is followed by Reset, then Well’s vision of ‘elios’ and ‘morlock’ will be complete.
Somebody in the Daily Mail now pushing the new definition of herd immunity from the WHO.
“Herd immunity will only be reached when 70% of the population have been vaccinated.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094381/Only-eight-cent-Britons-definitely-refuse-vaccinated-against-coronavirus.html
The official narrative is now vaccine, vaccine , vaccine, The Head of the NHS was quoted as saying that the NHS would only be saved when all the vulnerable and elderly have been vaccinated. People you talk to are only prepared to discuss getting the vaccine so that this can all end ………they wish?
Blimey, almost makes me nostalgic for Track’n’Trace.
Track and trace was a conditioning exercise to prepare us for the digital vaccine passport
If they wanted to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed they would vaccinate the staff and solve the staffing crisis (if the vaccine actually works) but the NHS won’t take the vaccine in anything like the numbers because they know most of them don’t need to take the risk of taking an emergency vaccine.
The Hydra Head of the NHS.
It’s when all the old and vulnerable have been eliminated.
Herd immunity is a known biological phenomena and it can be obtained with or without a vaccine. It’s also dynamic which means that it can change over time. Therefore, statements that 70% of the population have to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity is misleading. Quite a number of the population probably are already immune to covid-19. Some of these people have acquired immunity by contracting and recovering from covid-19. Others are immune via cross immunity to other covid related viruses. I’m certainly not against vaccines being an important component in public health but these kinds of messages are basically misleading. The only reason the World Health Organisation have change the definition is for political reasons.
I am currently reading “the compatibility gene”, where the genes that code for the immune system are discussed. Apparently not everyone has the same protection against pathogens, there are too many for each of us to do this because the immune response would be spread too thinly in each person thus providing a compromised response. Instead, different people have subtly different immune systems, so there are some pathogens that some people are susceptible to more than others, by doing this the immune response is more able to defeat the pathogens, this is effectively the community immunity approach within our natural non vaccine physiology. This varies across populations and across ethnicities depending on the pathogens in each environment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55471282
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55471095
Spain is creating a list of those refusing the vaccine and passing it to other EU countries.
Army being brought in to help with testing of children.
Boris was never brave
And his father hit his mum
Both liked to fuck the ladies
But not their childrens mum
To Eton and to Oxford
Like all our leaders do
A narcissist with 7 kids
And Princess Nut Nut too
Wonderful. Very reminiscent of William McGonagall.
Beautiful Railway Bridge of the Silv’ry Tay!
Alas! I am very sorry to say
His very best poem.
Friend’s husband who is a truck driver said testing of those waiting to cross channel was an absolute nonsense and completely unnecessary.
GP friend said many elderly refusing vaccine and as government does not want to waste it is being offered to anyone else who wants. Still not many takers. So much for the 1 million people a week to be vaccinated.
Is there any way of getting back to your original user name?
When I go on the profile it says you can’t change your user name, but if I try to re-register it says my email address is already registered.
Life can be so tough sometimes.
Change the nickname in profile and then choose it from drop down tab below. I change mine daily to reflect the number of days since 23 March
Ta – done it! Probably the only thing I’ll achieve today.
Why does Boris actually talk stuccoto like he has been mix edited by cassette boy?
Copied from Obama?
Stac•ca•to stə-kä′tō►
Re the University of Michigan’s cancelled words
Sugartits appears to be safe for now
(h/t Alex Belfied).
James Alexander does not cover it. These oppressive strategies were set in motion long ago. For instance, this Rockefeller Foundation paper from 2010.
http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf
This is the Great Reset already described in all its devious detail.
Pharma have been flexing their muscles over information control since 2017:
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3099/rr-5
Why does it look chaotic? Because life is messy, the narrative they have created in which all liberty is finally sucked away is not one which unfolds cleanly: they keep on having to plug the gaps.
According to some, these groups have no actual effect in the real world, even though their plans from 10-20 years ago are unfolding right before our eyes. All of this – lockdowns, cases, variants – is an extension of the idea of ‘kill the filthy plebs’ aka ‘climate change’.
It was just an excuse to up the threat level which is all they do every time enough of public looks as it’s getting fed up.
Typical media covid propaganda
1 Headline, person dies of covid
2 Publish a photograph which suggests the person who died is a young person (in reality he was 64)
2 Late in the article mention the fact that he had e coli, which is far more likely to have killed him than covid
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/beloved-father-popular-cardiff-rugby-19530875?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Still, we need to get those advertising revenues coming in
They really are scraping bottom of the barrel for stories most of the time when you see the examples they give of ‘healthy young people’. They must be sitting today hoping that one of the Man City players becomes really ill.
Local story, 82 year old survived three lots of cancer and stroke but succumbed to nosocomial C-19. Odds not good obviously but the irony of the final outcome is striking.
i was listening around 5pm and i was so confused as the presenter was a bewetting bell-end. i know the regulars are on holiday but i would have hoped that the standard was maintained
I saw one in the DM today about an (obese) woman who supposedly had to give birth two months early because of covid – absolute bs and turns out it was pre-eclampsia. A condition which kills around 1k newborns in the UK every year but who cares about them when the mother has also tested positive for COVID
Perhaps one of the silver linings of this shit show is that I can pretty much watch concerts from anywhere in the UK and the world. Over the last few weeks; we’ve streamed concerts from (in addition to London) Liverpool, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Munich and Berlin.
Two of the recent concerts we watched were from the Munich Philharmonic and Berlin Philharmonic conducted by Semyon Bychkov and Daniel Baremboim respectively. Save for the absence of an audience and the elbow bumps that Baremboim gave to the musicians at the end, there was pretty much no social distancing between the musicians and no one was muzzled as they took their seats. It was such a difference to the UK based orchestras with their craven observance of the 2 metre rule with some orchestras requiring their musicians to be muzzled up or wearing their muzzles on their way to the stage.
Not to mention that Bychkov and Baremboim are both in their 70s and looks like they’re not afraid of the virus either.
The contrast is staggering and I do wish that our orchestras would grow a backbone and fight back the government’s insane diktats. While we’re happy to watch the streamed concerts, Mr Bart and I have been reluctant to donate not only because of finances but because of what we continue to see as their cowardice and seemingly blindness to the actual reason why they can’t perform.
Honest question:
What is the government’s rationale for the vaccine?
I’ve read the prospectus of the Pfizer vaccine and at no point does it claim to eliminate or reduce infection or transmissibility. All it claims to do is reduce symptoms for 95% of people.
If the vaccine doesn’t have an effect on infection or transmissibility, what does the government think will be accomplished?
I generally try to understand the government’s rationale (e.g. cases predict hospitalisations, lockdowns reduce pressure on NHS) even if I think it’s bogus. But I just can’t understand the rationale for a vaccine that does not protect against infection.
Does anyone at least understand their argument?
They know it’s useless, but it’s part of their ‘we saved you’ construct which will be issued in due course
Yes, I’m sure that’s the plan to provide political cover for all the collateral damage and the many collateral deaths to come.
It makes lots of money for a pharmaceutical company that government advisors have lots of money invested in?
Money is nice but staying in power is even better.
Serves 3 purposes: 1-Heroism. Creates an irrelevant solution where government takes credit, to the problem of viral infection and death. The sheeple won’t understand that the vaxx does nothing. 60 yrs of flu-vaxx (and other) failures and the sheeple still believe that all vaxx’s all the time work. Flu vaxx’s may help 10-30% of those jabbed. For the rest they cause injury or at best are neutral.
2-Control. Sets a precedence. The gov’t can force you to test, vaxx, do what it commands in accord with whatever it deems to be safety and the public interest. If the idea is a ‘Great Reset’ this is a mandatory step.
3-Money. Many of those in SAGE and Gov’t are/will be making huge profits from this along with their Pharma friends. Pfizer is famous for bribery. No doubt many of these ‘experts’ and Ministers have full bank accounts. A full audit of money and accounts will need to be done.
This ‘vacine’ changes your DNA it does not prevent you catching Covid, if Covid exists at all.
Agreed no point whatsoever in getting the vaccine.
You can only claim that which you have tested in a clinical trial. The vaccine trials all started my looking at the difference in symptomatic covid cases since these are the smallest trial one could conduct (and still need 30k subjects). The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine showed a 95% reduction. So that’s what they can claim.
This reduction is most likely due to a reduction in viral load from a preexisting immune response that may in turn reduce spread. That will be the subject of larger epidemiological studies. Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. But companies can only claim on the evidence. A lot got burnt (fined). The past four “off label” promotion. Claiming reduced transmission would be off label.
Proving reduction in viral load, reduces infectiousness would be awkward for them, as wouldn’t that dispel the asymptomatic spread?
Precisely
Yet another gigantic elephant in the room, ignored by so-called journalists
Not entirely. Symptomatic might be a VL I’d say 10^6 copies/ml, asymptomatic 10x lower and vaccinated 10x lower still. But ultimately, proving reduced transmission reductions is a population level trial.
Its as vague as a flu jab in reality
It’s now the 29th Dec. The latest date we have testing data for is the 22nd Feb & for test results it’s the 23rd. That’s 6/7 days old. In the meantime we’re told there’s been an explosion in new ‘cases’. It just seems very odd to me.
Dec, surely?
There was an explosion in pre-Christmas testing (so they could all see Granny “safely”) with a massive backlog.
From the first day I was stunned that the government had not put a lock on the mouth of their SAGE advisors. It would seem reasonable from day 1 that anybody belonging to this SAGE group advising the government would have a gag order. Broken and you are out of the group. This is not censorship. The media would have numerous other scientists, academics with super ego to interview and give their view and criticism. There would be no leakage or discussion from the SAGE group of anything decided by the government, taking or not taking their advice. If you were not happy with the outcome resign from the SAGE group.
Why did not the government do that? They have accepted SAGE members to say anything at any time.
They realized early the potential for a catastrophe whether they followed SAGE or not. They needed the public to blame others than themselves. They have succeeded 100% seeing how much vitriol for the advisors is around. The responsible for this catastrophe are still in power.
I don’t think those in power are really frightened right now. In fact the Johnson smirk implies the opposite. We are dealing with a deliberate failure of the entire political system – the Johnson Starmer regime is one institution in effect.
That’s not to say that a little obfuscation to demoralise the proles might not be deliberate. But I don’t think there’s a plan to blame SAGE, for the simple reason that the regime does not anticipate ever having to field any blame.
Sage are doing the governments bidding.It is not a case of a weak incompetent government simply being panicked into ever more draconian laws.If you think back to the start it has been the remit of sage through Spi-B to spread panic and alarm to ensure compliance.This has never changed.
We now face more stringent curbs,I dread to think what they may be,to keep schools open.
I think it’s the other way round. The government is doing SAGE’s bidding. And SAGE is following goodness knows who’s bidding!
Read the sage minutes up to March 19.One vague mention of lockdown.Lockdown was a political decision and remains so.As Swedenborg pointing out,it wouldn’t be hard to gag Sage as they are civil servants.Why are they given freedom to pontificate and spread alarm if they are not doing the Governments bidding.
Couldn’t agree more. I only comment on publicly available information and not to media.
Well deserved praise from Mike Yeadon.
“We have decided not to appeal because Ofcom has conceded most of the points we were seeking to make. Since we brought this case, the regulator hasn’t censured any more broadcasters for challenging the official…… Covid narrative, and at the High Court hearing Ofcom’s barrister assured the judge that it would no longer penalise its licensees for broadcasting material that undermined public confidence in the advice being disseminated by the UK Government or the public health… (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1343515214185189376)
Excellent link and news.
Sadly,I doubt msm would report it let alone think themselves unshackeled from press reporting restrictions.
Remember how they whined about the curbs sought by the celebs over phone hacking?
The Minister on the Today Programme (didn’t catch who it was) spent the entire 20 minute interview saying in order to get schools open quicker and more widely other sacrifices would have to made though he would not specify what.
How about all tier 2 areas go to tier 3, all t3 and 4 go to t5 = no takeaway foods, delivery only. All essential shops to close 6pm -8am ie a 14 hour curfew.
Pointless obviously but they like to be seen doing something.
Do a Herod and slaughter the first born? In my family that would be 60 year old me.
What exactly is Tier 5 as they haven’t specified what it involves. They are probably conjuring up what cruel restrictions they can now inflict on us!
There isn’t much left to close.Maybe curfews and masking outdoors.They are 2 of the measures that have been applied elsewhere that we haven’t had yet
Probably just allowed out for an hour again and yes maybe a move on compulsory masks outside. I think the latter would lead to some violent clashes. Its one thing to insist on a mask to go into someone’s business property but its quite another to insist on it when you are outside in the fresh air where no one has property rights. I think I would find it very difficult to keep non violent if thats imposed on me…I regard that as an ultimate tyranny.
This is just about maintaining enough fear to ensure vaccine take up.I don’t think they would go for masking outdoors but then I thought they wouldn’t ban Christmas.Who knows,I think in their wildest totalitarian dreams they couldn’t believe how servile the majority of the population have become.
Yes its ironic to think that at first Johnson did not believe the British would knuckle under for lockdown. I can only think that must have been based on some mythical memory of the bulldog and Blitz spirit. Well we can now see that they are utterly dead after years of nanny state and health and safety strictures. I was in Whitchurch, a small shropshire town, this afternoon and it was like sheepsville with them all wearing them in the street and dutifully queueing up in their masks waiting to be allowed in the shop. A woman in the bakery even asked me to move into the other part of the shop so someone else could be allowed in. Not so much bulldog spirit as stinging like a butterfly and dancing like a bee!
I’m very worried these sociopaths will now target the children for their evil agenda. Here’s a link to an Open Letter to Gavin Williamson from the UK Medical Freedom Alliance.
https://www.ukmedfreedom.org/resources/open-letters
Please share.
First day back in work today (wfh) and lo and behold, someone says they’ve got a slight cold. Runny nose, sore throat, you know the usual stuff.
Then everyone else on the chat is like “ooh you’d better get tested just in case it’s covid!” What the hell is with this mentality? Where’s the logic? How would getting tested do ANYTHING to improve the symptoms?
The only thing testing achieves is to put yourself under house arrest and feeds in to the hysteria surrounding this whole mess. I had a cold a few weeks back, didn’t get tested, all that happened was I felt rubbish for a few days. Dealt with it the same way I do every year!
If people stopped getting tested we wouldn’t be in this mess!
It’s always been something like a cold that affects some people more seriously than others. The circumstances of coming along a bit later in the respiratory illness season after a long period of mild flu epidemics meant that it hit harder and looked more serious than it was. This was amplified by a sensationalistic media that was fascinated by the Chinese angle and then jumped on the epidemic in Italy with full-on fear porn. The Italian drama queens copied the Chinese approach of lockdowns and then nearly everyone else lost their minds….
Plus it’s not like it was mysteriously affecting people who’re Sagittarius and have a cat named Bob…it was affecting people who already had conditions that we know to shorten their lifespan
There were a lot of Chinese living in that part of Italy.
They must know it’s bollocks. That cognitive dissonance probably fuels their cryptoreligious zeal.
As this disease is so so so infectious, using project fears own figures, how many people in the UK have had it?
By the zealots own logic, there have been hundreds of thousands of infections every week for 11 months now.
So at what point, statistically, has the whole bleeding country already had it?
It’s the key blatant contradiction in their position. People are beginning to see it, even without the media’s help.
Yes, I am mildly intersted in the actual numbers though.
Take the catastrophists own numbers of how many people are catching the disease each week, given that they must have a “Ferguson model” number for that, then work out how many people have had the disease according to them, (must be at least 25 million by now)
It will be another nail in the coffin of the incwedibly dangewous disease sheep.
The more ways we can demonstrate the ridiculousness of their figures the better, its either not very infectious or not very lethal, as annual death rates are within the 5 year rolling average.
They’re working on it.
Don’t forget every care home tests occupants and staff one or two times per week.
Alan P, that is true, so the communication on tests should clearly state the number of different people testing positive rather than the number of tests carried out; if you as an individual has tested positive once they shouldn’t count any more positive tests that you deliver for, say, a year. Or, maybe include them. If Alan has tested positive on twenty different occasions this year, surely something is up?
Time to think outside the box, Boris. Close all schools and Universities until the vaccine has saved us all. The empty buildings to be used as testing/vaccination centres and mortuaries and crematoriums. That will keep the disease vectors and corpses out of the NHS.
Or shut down SAGE without pay until it’s over.
Certainly put teachers on furlough pay rather than full pay.
Do they keep their 10% off at Morrisons though?
There has been also several news reports about both domestic and wild animals getting caught out by these discarded muzzles. Not to mention how they harm our environment more than single use plastics and coffee cups.
Yet nowt a peep from David Attenborough et al.
He only cares if they were emitting CO2!
David Utterbore.
Welsh Government Press Release
‘Due to the selfish actions of others lockdown one, lockdown two, fire break one, cancelling Christmas, and tier four have failed to save our super efficient NHS
Therefore from midnight today a new life saving initiative will be introduced to stem infection rates
All inmates will be required to stay home 24 hours a day. In addition inmates will be required to be wrapped in cling film from head to foot. No mamby pamby medical exemptions will be allowed
We appreciate that in certain households this creates some difficulties (for example: how does the last non wrapped inmate in any household wrap themselves?)
To achieve our goals we require streets to form Marxists collectives in order to carry out this task. If administered as per the guidelines there should only be one unwrapped individual left in any one street
Our new ‘Cling-on’ Marshalls will be available to assist in final wrappings
Stay Safe
I’m not cling filming my penis for anyone! I claim penis exemption.
For the greater good you will do as you are told
Fair enough. I was selfish to put the interests of my penis ahead of the health of my fellow disease vectors.
Are you a gender fluid version of Mrs Slocombe who was always talking about ‘my pussy’!
I always suspected that this was just one giant fetish party. Snap those gloves on Nurse! Frown at me whilst you stick that skewer up my nose! Oh the pain, the pleasure, well worth the money. And I get to wear a mask too!
Don’t give them ideas! Those they’ve already got need no company.
Having to say this through gritted teeth but the one thing that I do applude this (still pathetic) government for is that (so far) they have stood up to SAGE and the yummy mummies and daddies and various namby namby wimps who are screaming for all schools to be shut down.
I was talking to my younger (15 and in her 2nd GCSE year) granddaughter on Christmas day and she is well aware that the virus is spread by schools and school children resulting in extremely mild symptoms but knows that locking down everything is not the answer.
Can we see your granddaughters’ evidence please?
Because all the collaborating sheep tell us so.
I was being sarcastic.
dont you mean her “working out”
Everything is spread in schools, I got measles
Ditto, Chicken pox.
I got scepticism.
Most days I got a good kicking
Know what you mean,Cecil.
i got a detention and suspension
Didn’t we all? that’s why we are sceptics and can think for ourselves.
I learned a dislike of authority. Honed ever since.
If we are to shut schools and Unis, let’s go the whole hog. There are probably, what, a hundred superstar teachers in every nation. That’s all we need if everything is online. Get your degree by watching Yale’s finest on Zoom rather than go to some second rate provincial college. The rest of the teaching profession can get their wish and stay at home. On Universal Credit. Be careful what you wish for Sir and Miss.
Regarding bio hazard bins, I often speak to others about that as well. Thing is whenever I am out and about, you walk past cars and can clearly see the masks by the gear stick or hanging off the mirror. This is from what I see more common than not. Just goes to show if people were really that concerned most people would have them indoors soaking in some kind of concoction.
I’ve long thought that Blair is the ‘man in the shadows’ with his close connections to Gates=Ferguson=Sage. Johnson is even taking on his way of talking and the hand/thumb movements. He is and always has been bad for this country.
Totally agree
Nearly all former leaders get co-opted to the sinister world project. At the beginning of the episode Gordon Brown was calling for temporary world (hoho) till everything got sorted out.
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Nearly all former leaders get co-opted to the sinister world project. At the beginning of the episode Gordon Brown was calling for temporary world government (hoho) till everything got sorted out.
YouTube montage of dozens of them all spouting ‘build back better’.
The BBC seem to hold him and his opinions in very high regard. You might have thought they would dislike an mongerer of illegal wars.
Blair is toxic
I want him right up in every ones faces 24/7
Prob too busy cottaging though
People like Blair sadly don’t have any allegiance to countries. He has always be a globalist technocrat who believe in an elite few having total control over the masses. Look at his institutes work, they support the mass surveillance state, AI and Transhumanism. No doubt he would also be keen on eugenics but wouldn’t admit it publicly.
Wow. Just watched Bloomberg news and a Dr Frank Ulrich Montgomery, vice president of the German Medical Association, was advocating compulsory vaccinations along with special privileges for those that have had a vaccination. He also supports the requirement to carry a vaccination card. He argues that if people don’t take the vaccine then lockdowns will remain for years. You might be able to access the interview on Bloomberg TV. The show is Bloomberg Intelligence and it was today between 0930 and 0940 GMT.
Fascist (Montgomery that is).
Old habits from the German medical establishment. Leopards and spots and all that.
Yes exactly. A very good point, one which they have missed off their plan!
I sometimes think these awfully nice media people are actually telling us right to our faces how stupid we are. Look at the picture that adorns this article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55468795
A woman who looks like a police officer stands with a face shield in front of a shop window displaying dummy heads – each of them masked. The photo is saying: “Look at all of you morons! You’re all dummies doing what we say!”
Is there any point in reading this? Oh my God! The positive tests! The cases! The cases! Based on these horoscope PCR tests. And what is the latest on these centres? Mike Yeadon reported on furtively assembled private labs staffed by Tesco shelf stackers. Has the staff now changed to turf accountants?
And the announcement of a new variant has indeed been a clairvoyant matter:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-55467491
‘The new B.1.1.7 variant has been identified as being part of the outbreak in Wigtownshire, which grew from 64 cases on Boxing Day to 142.’
I must say, I am so grateful that our scientific community is so efficient in their predictions. They said the new variant will cause a massive increase in cases. A few days later they say that the new variant has caused a massive increase in cases.
This makes news reading a lot easier. You don’t need confirmation of anything at all now. If you read those oracles on Monday about what’s happening the rest of the week, you don’t need to read anything on the rest of the week. You already read it. And it always turns out to be infallibly true.
They took that photo at the Dr Who props dept museum.
I’m sure the next one will sneak a Dalek in just to see if anyone’s paying attention.
I fancy a Dr Who ‘Sea Devil’ mask…I think that was in the Tom Baker era or was it John Pertwee?
New paper by Denis Rancourt:
” Measures do not prevent deaths, transmission is not by contact, masks provide no benefit, vaccines are inherently dangerous: Review update of recent science relevant to COVID-19 policy”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/347964673_Measures_do_not_prevent_deaths_transmission_is_not_by_contact_masks_provide_no_benefit_vaccines_are_inherently_dangerous_Review_update_of_recent_science_relevant_to_COVID-19_policy
NHS Chief Executive Sir Simon Stevens says we are “in the eye of a storm”
Is that a shit storm of lies?
That means things are temporarily quiet.
We’re in the heart of darkness.
It’s perfectly peaceful and calm in the eye of a storm
Proof if any were needed that he talks never ending shite
We’re up to storm Bella so maybe the next one will be storm Corona
Had the misfortune to be in the same room when Mrs Awkward switched over to the BBC news.
Luckily after about 30 seconds she said “this is crap, no wonder I stopped watching BBC years ago”, switched to ITV and Central.
She lasted about 2 mins then turned the TV over to some film.
That 2 1/2 minutes raised a few points though and she asked:
It must have been in the past few days as we’ve not watched news since the 24th and this was the first time since then and it was markedly obvious they were stressing these points.
Also she wants to know how did they get so many tests done over Christmas weekend? Everything was shut. I work as a courier amongst other things and they have contracts to take the test kits from the pharmacies and test centres to the labs – they’ve not been working, started back today.
I think we are at the point where they have just started to make statistics up.Its impossible to test and process so many over Christmas.
There are 2 options.They are old tests kept back or outright lies.
I think the government have realised that the public will believe any old rubbish they spout and with a compliant media they can say or do anything without being held to account.
The only consequences so far was the closure of the borders when they announced the new more infectious strain.Again how can they possibly know what % it is more transmissible.
Have you seen any of these test centres? We have a very large one nearby set up by Sage themselves and it is always deserted. Despite this, they have expensive equipment on show and big flood lamps constantly beaming down to give a sense of activity. We have a smaller portable test centre parked next to my doctor surgery, again, ignored and unused by the public.
So where are they getting these ‘lab-tested’ stats on living people?
The ministry of truth is my guess
Apparently they’ve been hammering on about the total number of deaths now being over 70,000. Considering the dodgy way they have recorded deaths and attributed them to this scamdemic, I think it’s safe to say that this death toll is a grossly inflated figure.
If they have indeed changed the way they confirm Covid as the killer to being ‘lab-tested’, what does that mean for all the previous statistics?
The ‘cases’ figures and the death stats are all garbage – pure garbage.
Worthless.
They are also conflating 2 seasons into one to make the figures scarier.
They are also counting two seasons as one, which was never done before now.
So they have moved on from
‘deaths where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate’.
“Had the misfortune to be in the same room when Mrs Awkward switched over to the BBC news.” I’ve been tempted to put the TV child lock on BBC.
What does “lab confirmed positive” mean? PCR tests go to a ‘lab‘, do these class as lab confirmed?.. BBC just doubling down to make numbers sound more official?
Very good point.
At this point even the Russkie propaganda over on RT is more balanced
Go figure
I know! Only ‘reasonable’ source I could find reporting the Portuguese PCR court case.
They are quite often the best of the msm shower. I tend not to trust them much on anything remotely connected with eastern Europe though.
Maybe it is in response to allegations that earlier in the year, doctors were able to put covid on the death certificate just because the patient had some sort of symptoms ie a slight cough etc. There was no need for a lab confirmed test?
Wasn’t that the reason for “within 28 days of a positive test”? Now they’re using the words lab confirmed, might sound innocuous, but the media are always very careful with their wording, won’t be an accident.
Almost 11 months.100% full of it
only 2 people, under 45 with no underlying health issues have died during the scamdemic.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/two-scots-under-45-no-19531680
From the shitty Edinburgh Live website.
Although there is a Good comment from someone about the actual cost of lockdowns etc.
…and perhaps those two people had undiagnosed underlying health issues.
Once the PCR comes back positive. nobody wants to find any other illness.
It would spoil the stats.
Yes, I wonder what autopsies would have revealed.
And they were probably twats. Maybe even gingers. Or Mormons.
Bugger politics, Boris! Close ALL schools and Universities now. Listen to the science, you muppet. If it saves one life, it’s worth it.
I’ve thought this way for a while too. Super teachers, few in number, but reaching every child through technology. They could be paid handsomely because they will be few in number, the mediocre to good having got their wish to spend more time at home, permanently. Be careful what you wish for…
Close Boris.
Is there any way of estimating how many of the people who are currently dying “28 days after a positive test” got his/her first positive test result in hospital (i.e. after being admitted for something else)?
If the number is high, surely that will prove this shitshow is nothing but a casedemic and make even our dumb unthinking population question the SAGE/government hysteria narrative?
The data is available somewhere as I have seen charts of where people became infected and in hospital is usually no 1 with care homes next on list.
Does anyone on here know where that data is reported? I just did quick search but can’t find it.
We will never be allowed to see data like that. And it would have no impact on the idiots who think millions have already died from covid and that every positive test represents someone at death’s door. They have no interest in facts- they just want to be kept ‘safe’.
The difference between new covid patients and covid admissions should give an idea of how many are catching it while in hospital, not sure how you’d get to deaths from that though.
It doesn’t matter while the media is so compliant.The evidence is all out there.Lockdowns cause more death and destruction but no one is listening.
Excess deaths are not out of the ordinary this year.
Those that are aware are scattered and disunited and lack any outlet or focal point with which to fight back.
Best way to do that would be to find someone seen as ‘politically different’ to support this website or have a wider ‘editorial board’ … anything to add gravitas.
Jonathan Sumption has voted for all three main parties so I assume supports the Centre Party, whatever that is. I don’t know anyone prominent on ‘the left’ … does it still exist? – to have ‘come out’ as a sceptic. I’m vaguely of the left but I’m having doubts where my loyalties now lie … except to liberty and a free society.
Hi
I’ve been visiting lockdownsceptics ever since this fiasco began but this is the first time ive commented. I’d firstly like to point out as a confirmed introverted, libertarian minded, conservative liberal who would never dream of voting neoliberal Tory & despite my overwhelming enjoyment of social distancing in public, did I at any time agree with the lockdown nonsense, masks or social distancing as means to control
naturea virus.Not because we should never have abandoned decades of accrued sound science & medical knowledge in dealing with disease & epidemics. Not even because of the economy but very simply our right to freedom. I am firmly in the Jonathan Sumption camp that simply believes no one has the right to take away one man’s freedom for another man’s safety! Especially if they haven’t broken any reasonable law. Even then i’m no advocate of medieval incarceration (But that’s perhaps off topic) so really I dont feel the need to justify with facts that lockdowns don’t work.
But i have to say I’m disappointed with the denial of many of my fellow lockdown sceptics here & elsewhere in resisting the the open fact of the conspiracy that is taking place in front of your very own eyes. I’m fully on board with the notion of politicians being incompetent & only in the game to serve themselves. But the people running this s*it show aren’t stupid! There has been a steady collaborative march of nihilistic neoliberal globalism for decades, maybe even before the first world war. If this political opportunism isn’t a conspiracy to advance that goal I’ll eat a truck load of covid19 vaccines! & i dont beleive in ingesting poison in to a healthy body, pharmaceuticals have a time & place, this isnt it.
This constantly beating up people labelled as anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theorists because your afraid of the social stigma is simply adding to that social stigma. surprising for the innovator of the free speech union! (wonderful job, well done & thanks for FSU BTW) The likes of JHB who has also done a wonderful job standing against the lockdown communists. But refuses to acknowledge that the people on these communist committees sage & nerv etc maybe many things but stupid they ain’t! Why assume egotistical politicians are in control of this fraud? The catalogue of coincidental incompetence i’m afraid is just statistically impossible. It all started with the ramblings of a mad professor that has always got everything he ever did wrong! & a faulty “test” that was never meant to be used in the way it has! & From there they’ve managed to make the wrong decision at every possible opportunity against decades of scientific knowledge! It just doesn’t stack up. So Why are they doing it? Who knows, they aren’t telling me.
But the motive is clear, covid19 a relatively mild new epidemic & the perfect opportunity to advance the global warming agenda, (Whilst i’m not a full climate change denier) the Greta party is a power grab, by nihilistic neoliberal globalists promoting socialism/communism (liberal left) as a trojan horse to advance their interests with the age old motive of greed & ego! You don’t get to be a multi billionaire like Bill Gates et al without being a psychopath. The only thing these hitler-esc wannabees believe in, is power & them owning it all!
I do however find it amusing those that call themselves socialists are the greatest advocates of anti social lockdowns. And those that claim to be standing up for the underprivileged in society are actually prescribing medicine that will hurt the poorest the most. This i’m afraid like the rest of identity politics is a privileged middle class liberal meltdown & is being taken vantage of if not contrived by neoliberal globalists. We must all stand against the political zeitgeist of destroying freedom & privacy it is their weapon against christian conservative values & whilst i’m neither of those i do take my truth & inspiration from the natural world so i feel at least a little affinity with traditional conservative values. It can only end when Comrade Alexander Johnson’s reign ends! The sooner the better.
Sorry its so long.
Well we probably agree pretty closely on our core philosophy – “libertarian minded, conservative liberal” covers me fairly well.
Doubtless we have some disagreements, most likely in the cracks where conservatism and old liberal ideals conflict. I rather doubt, unless you are very unusual, that you ever properly stood up against the similar C20th demonisation and suppression, for similar political reasons, of “racists”, “homophobes”, and patriots (English/British ones, obviously, not the usefully divisive Scottish/Welsh/Irish/anti-colonialist nationalists, of course). Happy to be corrected if you are in fact very unusual on this, of course.
But here we come up against the perennial cockup/conspiracy divide. As I’ve often pointed out, there are plenty of conspiracies and opportunist exploitations going on, all the tme and especially at times of useful crisis. The idea that there is anyone at the far cockup end of the range strikes me as a bit of a straw man – you’d have to be remarkably naive and ignorant to think that the powerful never conspire.
The very furthest end of the conspiracy line I suppose is the idea that events are managed by an organised elite of some kind, and that for instance the global coronapanic was and is planned and managed by such people, who give actual orders to people like Boris Johnson that drive day to day policy.
Seems more plausible that that end of the line is actually populated (it appears broadly to be the position of quite a few here), and it’s definitely one I find implausible. Human history has not imo ever evidenced the kind of competence that would be required.
You’d need to include aliens, demons, AI, and lizards before you got anywhere need the furthest end, Mark.
I rather assumed “organised elite of some kind” included such possibilities, inherently.
The lizards are more of a rabble.
The AI machines, now – there’s an organised elite if any of them are.
I’m not sure what you mean by
But i take my truth & inspiration from nature & my definition of true science is the study of nature. Deviant social conduct has a short life in the evolutionary process.
I would add i’m increasingly irritated with this notion Johnson was ever a libertarian, true libertarians do not seek power to control others & certainly don’t form lobbyist groups to advance a group agenda its why libertarian values never proper. Libertarians don’t have collectivist principles they’re individuals, again its why you don’t see them gathering & protesting.
Why people struggle to accept that conspiracies exist baffles me, groups of like minded people collaborating to advance their interests is the very definition of politics & politics is the tool used to manipulate societies.
The fact is this pandemic has been hijacked for a nefarious political agenda! Who knows if the tories are part of it, (i doubt it) but they’ve certainly done their usual corrupt thing of profiting from it.
Say what ? I’ve been gathering and protesting lately.
I’ve never seen anything re libertarian principles that said I wasn’t to protest or gather.
It’s a certainty that the state will be far larger and more powerful than any other time in history following this ‘crisis’. The already large surveillance will probably be extended to the widespread use of facial recognition technology in the name of bio security, we won’t be able to travel without health checks and our records will be shared worldwide, also an entirely state controlled digital currency is likely. All things the globalists and multinationals have long wanted – the outcome certainly looks like a conspiracy to me.
Sadly i’m of the same thinking as Hitchens, things have gone to far, the system is irreparably corrupt, the long ago authoritarian state is rapidly sliding into totalitarian rule! Every advance in technology brings us a step closer to tyranny. I think we passed the point of no return long ago, with the digital age.
I’ve long had my suspicions about my sonic toothbrush …
But I know what you mean.
Powerful in some things.
Utterly feeble, incompetent, and pathetic in others.
Chin up, Darryl.
Possibly, in making statements like that, it would be better to explain what kind of trade you were hoping to get?
Here we go then:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9095007/Spain-registry-people-refuse-Covid-19-vaccine.html
They won’t be sharing it with us then ?
Diddums.
Spain are committing suicide with this decision. The tourists industry has now truly been taken behind the shed to be executed..Fucking people ,I have no faith left.
Pfizer have stated that people with serious allergies (I have once had an anaphylactic shock after eating shelled Brazil nuts) should not be jabbed. If I were Spanish would I go on their list?
Oh this year I’m not off to sunny Spain, fuck off Espania.
Still people won’t accept there is a sinister control agenda going on in the background involving the state, big tech and big pharma. They will use the crisis they have deliberately created to justify travel restrictions and unprecedented level of monitoring and control. Facial recognition technology cameras taking temperatures will become the norm.
Time to overthrow the Spanish government.
And Fauci and Hancock compare C-19 to Spanish flu 1918. C-19 deaths are over median life expectancy almost everywhere.
https://twitter.com/pintoproblem/status/1343725691322454019
“And when the age distribution looks like this, businesses close themselves”
Aspirin overdose made the Paella Flu seem more lethal – they chugged the stuff like candy
Millions died of Spanish flu wthout even being near of aspirin. This might have contributed a tiny bit in some richer places but looking at the world map it’s a gross misunderstanding of the actual facts.
You know this because……?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm
I knew about this suggestion of aspirin contributing to some deaths decades before this article was published. Millions died over the whole world without aspirin which was not available for most. This is a typical US perspective,interesting article but does not prove the mass deaths.
https://youtu.be/v8N-Oe2BT40
Alex Belfield, how to cancel your TV license. 7 or so minutes, rant first then helpful details after.
Relevant to LS since many times cancelling TV license has been a subject of comment.
I still can’t believe anyone would pay the paedo tax to the BBC.
They have been pushing for an internet tax (payable to the arch nonces) for a while so expect the calls to ramp up now we are under martian law
Not On Normal Circular Exercise
From the days when prisoners walked in circles in prison yard.
Never knew that, Basics, nice one.
i.e. nonce
Just stop paying. I did when I moved 8 years ago.
Most of what they do after that is unlawful and may be harassment. you have no obligation to do or tell them anything.
I’ll sue them when I have time … anyone know if the county courts are functioning?
Yeah, nothing wrong with what you say only some people aren’t into triggering harrasment and or later sueing.
The simole lawful way to cancel is spelled out in the link. As Alex says the license call cengres are now no longer answering all calls, unlawfully. So Alex gives the right action to take when uncontactable.
Not dismissing your own choice. Living with worry on mind is not for some. The link above puts the effective canceling method clearly.
Much of Yesterday’s programming can be found on youtube, often much more substantial lectures in replace of tv documentaries can be watched too. The lectures are often facinating in their delivery too.
YT channel Timeline seems to do a lot of tv documentaries. Time team the actual guys are just starting to produced new content under Time Team banner on their own YT channel. New digs are planned, small donations sought to avoid the tv production game – check them out.
History Bro’s and Voices of the past also worth checking out. But yea Timeline is great! Oxford and Cambridge Unions also post their guest lectures and debates.
BBC and the mainstream media are key to the control the establishment has over the population and guilty of destroying the country in the name of Covid 19.
Can’t believe the organisation is still believed and trusted by so many even after the scandals, subsequent cover ups and damage limitation official inquires. Also how can they seriously have a ‘misinformation reporter’ attacking lockdown sceptics given their constant misreporting of important facts and figures. What ever happened to Jane Standley?
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/5fe9e88be1fe430ca3d7c3b1_Testing_in_schools-Education_Ministers_Open_Letter.pdf
This might have been posted before but read today for the first time and is very relevant to anyone when the pushback has to start in testing in schools and not giving consent. All of the relevant points are here – any head teacher proposing testing should be able to provide satisfactory evidence of being able to answer them. Remember they can’t stop the children from going in without a test without breaching the equalities act. Add in a request that they are prepared to confirm liability for any harm caused to the child and that should be enough for now. It concerns me greatly that the attack has now shifted to children – we didn’t fight hard enough when it was other age groups – but this has to be the point where we have to fight hardest doesn’t it ?
Thanks for that. By way of consent to medical intervention, it could therefore be rightly argued that masks and lockdown are experimental medical interventions and as such we have a right to refuse.
That’s a good point as well but the exemption list is so wide effectively they are entirely voluntary already..not that anyone just reading MSM would know.
Tier 134 – A brain in a jar
Poop in a Jar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8sgbPYaAnQ
Hayseed Dixie
Just as long as it is Hangcock’s!
Aren’t we lucky that he has a name which can so easily be turned into a swear word?
Don’t swear at him, harass and taunt him. Make him feel uneasy about his decision making.
Looking forward to a New Year with more of this nonsense, I see from the Government website, daily testing;
1 May 74K, 1 June 70K, 1 July 123K, 1 Aug 146K, 1 Sep 171K, 1 Oct 264K, 1 Nov 270K, 1 Dec 312K, 23 Dec 507K !!!
More than five times the testing, unreliable testing and false positives, but the Media are all over the 40,000 cases etc. Once the buffoon and handjob get the school kids testing every 5 minutes in January, they will be at their 1 million tests a day target and we will be sat at 80,000 plus “cases” a day. In a normal year, you feel rough, go to the doctor, the doctor says its probably a virus, nothing I can do, antibiotics wont work, so go home, drink lots of fluids and take paracetamol !!! Come back in a week if still ill. Now we test everyone tell them to stay at home for 2 weeks along with anyone they have ever met ! Absolute joke.
You couldn’t make this cr*p up. If we tested half a million people ANY winter we would have 40,000 colds, flu and the like.
Now we have at least another 3 months of this farce to look forward to as they keep the economy shut down and people continue to lose their jobs. Or you can try and run your business, just you cannot have any staff as they are all told to stay at home !!!
Utter nonsense and 9 months of our lives wasted. Clap clap clap.
It’s worse than that. You missed out 1 April, when just under 12K tests were performed, so more than 42 times as many tests on 23 December, compared with the peak phase of the real epidemic!
If the %positive were to be the same, then the 4,915 new ‘cases’ of 1 April, would equate to 208,393 on 23 December!
Even the ‘pillar 1’ tests (hospital patients and NHS staff) have increased eight-fold in the same time period, so the current hospital activity statistics are also going to be skewed upwards.
So sad that simple arithmetic seems to elude so many in our political and media classes – never mind the general population.
Why oh why are people getting tested when they have no symptoms. Before Covid if you said you had flu or something and the Dr asked what your symptoms were and you said you didn’t have any he would send you away for wasting his time!
Lockdowns work.
Chinese authorities proved it.
A cowed population is herded from natural immunity to state dictate.
The media works.
People think they are thinking their own thoughts.
Cock ups work.
The breakdown of trust in social institutions opens the way for acceptance of their replacement.
All because ‘Simon Says’.
Where do you assign authority?
What is first in your heart?
Fear seeks protection.
As control.
The contagion is thinking, given authority to frame all else in its predicates.
Simon has a Big Stick of state enforcers.
Simon has Mob support.
Simon will protect the virus and every other pretext to herd the cowed.
Cows can be milked, slaughtered and eaten or designated ‘mad’ and piled into mass graves or biofuel factories. Cows may be replaced genetically as biomass.
Corporate capture has been underway since mass production and its supplies effectively monopolised as a means to manipulate and capture its ‘markets’ as mindshare.
Pulling off the covers to reveal the state of dependencies beneath residual illusions is not a ‘conspiracy’ but an open and active decision of force majeure.
While those behind the multiple fronts and captive agencies are not public, but use puppets and handlers, the recognition of the power being orchestrated is not an intellectual feat.
Simon Says.
Where you give your attention is where you give priority, as worthiness or value to live and be and share in.
The belief that Simon is the Lord Protector is the voice for fear.
The voice for love is not set in hate of fear, but to open the channel one has to stop giving the mind to fear-driven and fear-framed thinking.
You can still clunk-click every trip and practice the green cross code, but not because Jimmy Saville said so.
Regardless anyone else, you are being played, conditioned and reset in an image of fear as conflict and risk avoidance, set in normalised self-limitation and sacrifice.
It may come as ‘an offer you cant refuse’, but if you read it as an offer and consider in your heart, you can choose from your own terms, rather than in the framed experience.
Jesus did not stuff his disciples with ideological bollox, but inspire the trust in the Holy Spirit of discerning within the moment and the situation at hand. The mind of modelling out trends and predictions is the mind that will ‘kill itself’ to avoid catastrophe set in fears running the program.
Stickers with ‘Simon Says” can be imagined every time you see or hear some bollox, as a means to pause mental and emotional reaction and be still an instant as the heart.
You don’t need to know more than you do not WANT it.
Don’t feed the mind you don’t want – or rather grow and nurture that which you DO want.
We are in life together, but have conflicted identifications.
Happy New Year to all.
Simon Says is a perfect analogy.
Tier 5 incoming… in ier 5 you may not have sex with your wife but if you show her yours she is allowed to show you hers. Granny must not only be placed by an open window she must be completely naked and periodically doused with TCP or holy water. Children under 18 have to be wrapped up and stored in the attic. Pets to be rounded up and eaten.
I would laugh, but …….
Tier 5 you are not allowed to fart in the vicinity of anyone else
In fact – the Corona stasi will be issued with fecometers to pinpoint who dealt it
Will sprouts be banned?
I’m surprised they haven’t already tried covid fart cloud with the new “strains”
Must be slipping
Full body condoms may be allowed but only for certain positions.
The Nazis also conducted medical experiments on children
Commies got onto that party bus as well
At this point Coronumism/ Coronatarianism is a feculent blend of the two
Feculent, I must use that.
Fecal/virulent nice !
So they say. But given how we have seen the state and its media lie about covid – how many lies were told about Hitler and the nazis? For example, Auschwitz has revised the numbers dead from the suppossed holocaust several times e.g. the often repeated statistic that 6 million died is not factually correct. I am not saying atrocities didn’t happen. I am saying governments lie and have always lied.
Careful, some folk have an emotional attachment to the 6 million number …
Medics and academics love government in crisis, it gives them reason to carry out their crazy immoral schemes.
It doesn’t get any more immoral than all of this. I can’t get over how I have to complete a 20-page university form to get ethical approval to interview a bloody politician (who won’t tell me anything he/she is uncomfortable with regardless of the form), but governments have been carrying out the most unethical and downright fucking evil experiment ever conducted, on a global scale, with no oversight whatsoever. I despair.
New level of fear provided by the Daily Express today
Boy almost dies from a disease six weeks after an asymptomatic case of Covid.
I guess this means any illness from any pathogen can now be Covid related.
The not so subtle pretext is “do what the government tells you otherwise your children might die”
Nice – Happy New Year!
One rare lad to have had a c19 test without symptoms seven weeks prior to the development of his rare illness. Did they prove the link to his positive covid test, did they?
Not sure the Daily Express quite understand the concept of cause and effect.
Sure they do.
‘You give us some spurious cause and we will effect more hysteria’
Happens with influenza every single year – much more lethal to children
Boy almost dies from a disease despite not having Covid or any actual symptoms of Covid whatsoever. They are getting desperate!
BBC R2 11am news.
Senior hospital manager calling for ‘heavier than tier 4 restrictions nationwide’
to prevent Coronovirus being a Catastrophe in the new year.
Then went on to outline the actual problem = Staff Shortages (in part caused by lockdown itself).
So screw the country up even more to save the malfunctioning NHS.
‘Heavier’. Take a moment to consider.
Not ‘stronger’ or ‘strengthening’ or more protective than.
NHS are a serious threat to life.
More knees on knecks heavier?
This one is doing the rounds on social media. Save Matches
Should’ve put masks on each match!
I am obviously totally thick because I don’t get it -would some kind person please explain so I can have a doh moment
The first 6 matches are unhealthy people with serious diseases and covid spread amongst them but match no 7 was a young healthy individual with a good working immune system so their body was able to fight it off without any symptoms so they didn’t pass it on to the other 6.
(Not sure if that’s what it’s meant to mean but it works for me!)
Presumably it’s some distancing propaganda – “distance” in order to prevent infections spreading, illustrated by a silly analogy with matches.
Of course, nobody in reality doesn’t understand the idea of infectious spread. I think this stuff is more about persuading the conformist majority that the dissenters dissent because they are stupid. If only they can be made to understand that diseases can spread then they would conform like the rest of “us”. And because they are only dissenting because they are (wilfully) stupid and ignorant, they can be blamed for any spread and for any “necessary” measures taken to supposedly suppress it.
Well done Mark, the match that socially distanced saved all the others.
The worrying thing is that this has been shared 5,300 times.
Firebreak?
Glad you said that as I was thinking the same. Just noted from a glimpse at the daily mail that the speaker of the house has requested parliament not return till the 11th – what scullduggery is intended in the next two weeks that needs to evade scrutiny.
None of the spent matches can be reignited, and should therefore be free to mingle safely in match society.
But if those matches are lying on paper, as they appear to be, then just one of them lit would have ignited the paper itself as well as several other matches directly. The idiotic gesture of one match cowering at crotch height would have no impact at all. The whole lot would have gone up almost instantly. Which is actually quite a good analogy for what happened in the Spring.
And this reflects the level of analytic thought that the sheeple invest into Coronabollocks. Trivial, childlike thinking on a visible level.
Doesn’t say much for global education standards.
So performing fellatio stops Coronaviruses?
Empty Nightingale hospitals are quietly dismantled ‘because there aren’t enough staff to run them’ – despite NHS chief warning health service is back ‘in the eye of the storm’ and hospitalisations PASSING peak of first Covid wave
It has been very noticeable that while the DM has been one of the best this year for actually reporting dissenting information and opinion, its headline writers have been much more complicit with the panic-mongering agenda (perhaps because alarmism and sensation sells papers/gets clicks, perhaps because the government propagandists are much more concerned about headlines than content).
This headline, about “hospitalisations passing peak of first wave” is a particularly alarmist one, and one that suits the lead panickers as “confirming” their past panic-mongering.
But reading the actual content makes it clear that (surprise, surprise) this is grossly misleading. The increase is not, as naive readers of the headline would likely assume, a “surge” in people so sick with covid that they’ve had to seek hospital treatment, it’s actually just an increase in the number of positive test results on patients going to or already in hospital, mostly for other things.
The number of patients in hospital with covid is still below 20k, as it was in April, according o the figures in the article. The difference is probably that there were huge numbers of patients in for other things in April who would have tested positive but were never tested. For context, there are generally about 100-110k “general and acute” NHS beds in England.
It still appears most likely this “crisis” in the NHS is just the usual winter increase in illness, exacerbated by panic measures over covid resulting in pointless and costly “self-isolation” measures, and flow inefficiencies caused by treating covid as though it is a dangerous plague rather than a routine infection.
Since NHS staff by and large have enthusiastically collaborated with the scaremongering that has enabled this nonsense and put them in the position they now find themselves in, we should have no sympathy for them whatsoever (the minority of sceptics aside, obviously).
22 again. It’s a number that keeps on popping up. 22 million vaccinate people required in UK by April said some goon just yesterday. The working behind the figures is never explained, the figures are presented one day as gospel fact then forgotten the next.
Letters in the Hebrew alphabet. The number of the major Tarot arcana.
I’ve started finding them on my local beaches, bloody disgusting..
Had to nip to Sainsbury’s for some essentials, bread and booze, and still surprised that as the normal one I’m the one that gets stared at.
Its quite hilly where we are and there had been half an inch of snow and no grit on the road, presumably the gritter was isolating. I managed to weave past the stranded wheel spinning cars in the old 4×4, passing the long lost gritter on the way into town.
Half an hour later and the grit had given traction to the stranded and the road was clear.
Maybe a bit of grit is required for the bedwetting population……
Great idea for a Bob Moran cartoon that.
20 -26 Dec. 8% overall increase in triage (lower than mid-Sept) and 5% increase in ‘cases’:
https://digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/progression-full-width
Fairly normal figures for this time of year?
This is a good data set for historical comparison at a fairly granular level (daily by hospital)
I was looking at A&E diverts comparing 2016-17 with now and there doesn’t seem to be a lot of difference.
Also the numbers of cases around the Christmas period seem fairly low in all regions I have looked at so far:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/downloads/csv/coronavirus-cases_latest.csv
One of the (intentional) side-effects of raising Tiers is it makes restrictions that hitherto seemed draconian seem more reasonable. So a return to Tier 3 will feel like a blessing. Tier 2 will be a utopia. It normalised the abuse. Of course Tier 0 just becomes a relic of a reckless past.
Indeed
I was of the view for a while that the intention is for Tier 1 to be the New Normal, but I suspect it will be more like Tier 2 – masks and distancing forever, no more crowds, no private socialising
“Tier 2 will be a utopia” if this is utopia I don’t want to live in this country anymore.. How do I claim asylum?
Wolver , your question should be not “how—” but “where—” If you find the answer please let us know. There are millions (?) of us hanging on a successful end to your quest.
Belarus and Tanzania?
Drip drip drip
Oops the BBC have unwittingly let some anti-lockdown propaganda on this morning in the shape of The Croods where an over protective father ruins his families lives by stopping them doing anything that could result in harm. Of course the difference is he’s doing it because he loves them but the daughter did sum it up. “This isn’t living it’s just…not dying”.
Its a good graph this, the superimposition of the last daily figures onto the average with contrasting colours is much easier to understand than the more normal separate lines.
It’s amazing now the amount of time sthat when giving out reasons in the MSM news interviews that “staff shortages” is cropping up at the end of the list of reasons why the NHS is being overwhelmed.
Me thinks that cracks are showing.
Well, there’s B****t … and there’s all this self-isolation on basis of a faulty PCR test … and don’t forget that a 2016 ‘pandemic preparedness’ report called for higher NHS funding and was binned. Hunt was in charge then.
All healthcare systems have some waste … human imperfection, sadly. The US system is ‘world-beating’ – 18 percent of national wealth and still uninsured people can be sent home with a $40,000 bill for emergency care (hospitals are obliged to treat anyone who’d otherwise die in the street but it’s not free).
Sweden and Canada have quite good ‘socialised’ medical systems which only cost a little more than the NHS and have better outcomes (longer lifespans anyway).
FYI You have to pay to see a Dr or Hospital appointment in Swedistan
over the last 20 or so years , they have reorganised the health service so many times and every time they seem to add a new level of bureaucracy and management to control the management below them and report to the management above them .. and of course to manage the changes . .
The ICO complaints page finally working again so submitted the complaint about the BBC refusing to supply information about any further discussions with OFCOM on the Notice to broadcasters dated 23rd March 2020 or about discussions with ministers and what to broadcast as per their charter clause with particular emphasis on Framework Agreement 2016 and the section “67. Defence and Emergency Arrangements.”.
All this poring over NHS statistics is nostalgia for me as I used to work in the information team in a medium size general hospital.
I’ve just remembered a study a colleague did a few years ago on “winter pressures” demonstrating that at least in part the annual crisis figures are an artifact of shutting down hospital activity over the Christmas period. A hospital can be viewed as a complex arrangement of interlocking and dependent processes linked with queues. (e.g. for diagnostics, drugs, operating theatres, specialist staff etc). So after a period of low activity, when restarting each service point is immediately presented with a surge rather than a smooth flow. This propagates through the system causing discharge delays (output) which then eventually result in A&E queues (input).
That was then and I don’t know if hospital management has improved in the interim. And obviously staff absence due to positive PCR testing is not helping.
“demonstrating that at least in part the annual crisis figures are an artifact of shutting down hospital activity over the Christmas period. “
I think it’s pretty reasonable to assume at the moment that all of the pressures on the NHS at the moment are caused by a combination of regular winter pressure plus additional stresses due entirely to the covid panic (not to covid per se) – treating covid as though it is something other than what it is. It is a pretty ordinary respiratory virus infection now, and should be treated as such, not as though it is some unprecedented new plague. No special distancing or other measures.
When you consider the point you made about the stress on the NHS resulting just from regular holiday disruption, imagine what combining that with covid panic nonsense will do: Staff absences from ludicrous “isolation” measures resulting from meaningless “positive test results”, flow disruption and increased bottlenecking from treating covid in hospitals as though it is some kind of deadly plague, and silly, capacity destroying, efficiency negating “distancing” requirements.
No no no no No!
It’s because you hug old people.
‘That was then and I don’t know if hospital management has improved in the interim.’
I am sort of guessing that this was meant to be a rhetorical comment? but nonetheless I will reply, No it has not. This hoo-haa has shown that the NHS in its present format needs radical change. The trouble is too many people are still wedded to the idea that the NHS is the most sacred and beloved institution of all time and that it is quite right that we are all locked-down and deprived of our liberty to protect it.
My local newspaper’s website reports on c in local hospital is actually a step forward for the MSM.
They state the daily numbers of additional patients during the latter half of December, as newly admitted and diagnosed in hospital.
Now, the normal sheep will most likely do not understand that “diagnosed in hospital” probably means hospital acquired. Sad.
Aha, cunningly phrased to fool the readers. One of my (many) peeves about reporting is that none of the MSM bother to tell us how many people have been tested each day, which would put the number of daily “positive” cases into perspective. For example, on 23rd December 507,384 tests were carried out, of which 39,237 were positive. On 24th April 28,225 tests were carried out, 4,973 of which were positive. Even with my rusty maths, the percentage of “positive” cases was far higher in April than it is now.
Facemasks use in hospitals is 100% compliant and yet there’s so much hospital acquired flu (sorry covid) just shows how effective muzzles are.
It’s by no means 100%. Just attended a hospital clinic with my mum this afternoon. No problem with being unmuzzled and in the clinic itself the majority of the staff only muzzled up when they saw us there, my mum being the only patient. This was across the corridoor from a ward which was clearly covid linked based on the signs on the door
I drove from North Wales to Manchester and back, to take my step-son back to university (many of his friends are going back, so I assume, and hope, they have a highly illegal New Year’s Eve party planned).
No problems travelling, by the way. These ‘Stay Home’ or ‘Stay Local’ admonitions are entirely unpoliced.
When I got home, before I announced my presence, I lurked outside the front door and phoned my wife.
“Terrible news! I’m stuck in Manchester. They’ve raised it to Tier 6 just before I could leave. All roads in and out of the city have been blockaded by the army. There’s tanks on the streets. Full quarantine. I’ve been told I’ve got to report in a quarantine hotel and stay there for 6 weeks.”
Normally she would see through my blather, of course, but to my surprise she utterly panicked, and I had to curtail my story and reveal the ruse before I could get to the ‘people turning into cannibal zombies’ part.
All part of the plan. Create so much fear and hysteria that the people will believe any old crap they are told.
Well done to Mrs F, who braved Sainsbury’s, Tunbridge Wells, without a mask, this morning. The only one in the store not wearing one.
I am sure it was a good feeling.
It was a fantastic feeling! Just makes all the nappy wearers look like complete zombies.
Remember if anybody ever challenges you about muzzles just tell them this
“I hope you live to 100 in your new faceless world” Boy does that really rattle them!
Yahoo join the club Mrs F
The UK mutant has now been found in 20 countries, the latest being Pakistan. Given the travel bans from the UK, how did the virus get to travel to so many places in such a short time? Does it have it’s own private jet? Or, perhaps, was it already everywhere else, before Ancock gave it it’s debut performance only a couple of weeks ago? If so, what was the point of the travel bans?
EXACTLY!!!
They’ve already admitted (then memory holed) it was first noted in September.
It is alleged to be more infectious and less virulent, like nearly all viruses.
Never underestimate Mutant Ninja Coronavirus!
Or its just a common step on its natural evolutionary course. Remember the similar variant in the summer linked to foreign agricultural workers?
Its the many thousands of other mutations, not getting the limelight, that i feel sorry for
Yep, thry are working away tirelessly sometimes in very fit bodies where every replication is a struggle. I hope at least one of them gets some sort of New Year honour.
Air Miles?
Rejoice at the “appalling” behaviour on Bronte beach at Sydney on Christmas day!!!
yes, selfish people cracking on with living life during the global scamdemic….
For a super infectious disease its taking a bloody long time to get around.
and where has flu gone?
Covid is the flu of this year nothing more!
does that mean flu may be being mis-diagnosed as covid19, take away PCR tests and we’re in a normal flu season
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1343836797944659968?
It’s time for people like Hitchens to move from analysing to activism. It would cost him nothing to announce he was going to lead a major public demonstration in central London by the end of January. Even a jail sentence would not harm his career. He should do this and call on all other prominent critics, eg Lord Sumption, to join him, Imagine 100 prominent persons leading such an illegal demo in defence of our natural human rights. It would have a huge impact.
No need
There is nothing that can be done – these Corona moaners will never relinquish the ground that has been ceded
Collapse is the only way out
Pushback is always possible.
To facilitate the collapse – yes
Every little helps
When the Rozzers are no longer getting paid then the worm will turn
Collapse is the aim.You can only build back better when you have destroyed what was there in the beginning
The fatal blow was already struck in 2008
no recovery from that
This is probably the most rational explanation.That the economy never recovered from 2008 and this is a Controlled demolition to protect and preserve the Class that caused all this damage in the first place.
Totally disagree, Collapse is the goal behind this C-1984 hoax. Yes we can stand on the side and say to the Covid Zealots “we told you so” but what good is that to us, when we have lost all freedoms and human endeavors. .
Do nothing and nothing gets done.
OKUK has a valid point – instaed of a large Zoom meeting a public protest in London with some “serious” names might acheive something especially if journos take on board the FSU’s concession from Ofcom.
I think that is one big missing element. He’s so high profile that shouting from the sidelines, albeit very persuasively, begins to look like he’s drawn the line there. It’s important we have people with such a platform but an appearance at a protest would be massive
He has said many times he doesn’t think street protests are effective and if you look at the Iraq War demo you have to admit he may have a point
He favours writing to your MP and points out if this was done in large enough numbers then they may begin to get concerned and take notice
IMHO the only way to accelerate the return to sanity (which will otherwise take decades probably) is a massive anti propaganda campaign, though I admit that anyone undertaking it will come under huge pressure to stop
Hitchens for whatever reason maintains that this is all down to incompetence.With that mindset you cannot hope to win
Another from the Telegraph, comments are interesting.
More under 60s died on roads last year than those with no underlying conditions from coronavirus
Only six under 19s with no underlying conditions died from Covid-19 in England
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/28/60s-died-roads-last-year-no-underlying-conditions-coronavirus/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr
Shold we not start adding
“known” to underlying conditions, all in the spirit of unbiased accuracy of course.
definitely ‘known’.
dying of a cold is definitely an underlying condition. ‘propensity to die of mild coronaviruses’
These facts have been pointed out since the Summer. Unfortunately, the masses have been so brainwashed it makes no difference to their perception of risk. The terror you see in peoples eyes if you get within 2 meters of them outside is testimony to that.
The Telegraph publishes the occasional rational piece to keep sceptics on board but it is very much controlled opposition just to keep sceptics wasting their money on the paper. Remember Mr Gates gave them a generous donation to keep the narrative going.
Yes, Mr Nuki earns his salary.
The argument is always that dying with Covid and an average of 2.1 co-morbidities doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t have lived for decades more without CV19 showing up.
Of course, how they’d prove that is a rational question. Maybe some bullshit modelling or similar.
If the average age of dying with Covid 19 is 82, it suggests people wouldn’t have lived much longer. The average life expectancy of people in poor areas is much lower than 82 and I would guess the co-morbidities are pretty serious to even be acknowledged. They aren’t exactly looking for co-morbidities by doing autopsies either, a positive PCR test within 28 days means it is Covid 19.
Dont ever buy newspapers…not unless proper journalism returns…let Gates and Soros pay for them.
Sorry if already posted/discussed. I have read the London School of Hygiene model paper.
On page 6 it summarises results of its four scenarios. The best fit is the first, where they assumed higher transmission, this thety proudly declare shows a strong increased transmissionability ( 56% is quoted).
They assume a number and all things being equal the model throws out the number as a result.
This thing is worse than ‘climate change’ modelling of CO2 if that is possible.
A very clear example of GIGO and now no doubt the basis of more loss of freedom.
Do you have a link to the paper?
It’s in the article above the line posted today
Ah, I see it now. Thanks.
The coronavirus outbreak in League One continues to worsen – 7 matches now off tonight!
Normally I follow football. Love the game.
Now, I couldn’t give a shit.
I want everything closed down, so that the pressure blows the lid off this pot.
Have no fear, 2021 will deliver all this and more to the compliant masses.
All spectator sports are finished. I personally will never watch any of them ever again. They have been disgraceful collaborators all year.
All we can do is use our knowledge to prepare. 2021 is going to be a fatal crash landing in so many different ways. Basically the absolute termination of all freedom and prosperity in perpetuity. Millions are so profoundly brainwashed that they still won’t notice.
Wow, I’d really look forward to being stuck in a foxhole with you Richard.
Don’t shoot the messenger! Or maybe do actually, if this pans out as I expect.
Messages I can deal with. It’s the presentation of their content as definite fact I have issues with.
As long as we’ve got all these WFH’S including my elder son and partner, nothing will change.
Well said, NN.
My husband and I were wfh from March until the beginning of LD2. He then went back to work full time and the kids were at school. I hate everything about it, and the fact that I am at home doesn’t stop me thinking about all the people out there suffering and losing everything because of the restrictions. I don’t understand how people manage to shut themselves off from that. How can they be so selfish and self-centred – “I’m ok, so everyone else must be”.
Football has become a laughing stock with all the self isolating and no crowds…not to mention the absurd knee taking and cheating. It was great in the 60s and 70s but has become a parody of itself.
Those poor footballers. ‘Diagnosed’ with the greatest illness ever known to man and yet still well enough to spit roast 15 year old girls and drive their lamboghini into a lampost.
I thought spitting was banned in football matches lol.
Let’s hope it’s nothing trivial.
https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1343878143925493766?s=20
Given the recent interest in the UK and SA variants,
@LucyvanDorp
and Damien Richard reran the analyses on ~200k genomes. The initial results stand, we find no mutation / deletion statistically associated with increased transmission.
Absolutely unreal how Hancocks word has been taken as gospel on this.
The whole of Scotland being in Tier 4 is because of his lies and our useless leader being completely incapable of getting a second opinion.
BBC news. India.Six “cases” in returns from UK with the variant. If you thought the highest level of absurdity has already been reached the scare of mutant variant shows the contrary. They have tested six coming back with this dangerous virus. India has had officially 10 million PCR confirmed “cases”. Apart from that most likely 10-20 more infected. How many of these has been genomic sequenced in India? I have no idea but I can bet it is less than 0.0001 %. There are 12000 different variants around increasing every day. And this variant is not already in most countries? Why is only Francois Balloux the only virologist speaking any sense in this issue? This response is destroying schools and fragile international travel. As our all combined efforts to stop the spread has been in vain how can you think that even if it was confirmed more prone to spread, that anything can be done extra?
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1343923746801905664?s=20
Neil Ferguson measures how much snow there’s been.
That’s not fair. It could have snowed that much if we had done nothing.
But isn’t that how you do science?! Lies, damn lies and SAGE lies!
Just 2 weeks to stop the roads getting overwhelmed with snow
Expect a second wave in the summer though!
salt shortages… government to import 10 million tons from russia to cope with current snowdrifts and glaciers expected in January. Councils overwhelmed . Shovel shortages. not enough to move snow and shit
Friend of Hancock gets £250 million contract to supply salt.
That made me laugh out loud. We know that little shit too well.
500,000 slips and fall deaths by March if we don’t all wear ice hockey outfits.
Mandatory crampons
Well, credit where it is due, the Scottish government have removed the tax on those.
Fight back! Do not comply!
Close the fucking goddamned schools – all of them.
Training you to be a well-behaved serf in the prison yard.
Watching Sky Sports news with added Covid. Does it ever occur to anyone in the football world that absolutely none of their precautions, bubbles, isolation and masking is making the slightest bit of difference and that it’s a complete waste of time?
It’s theatre – covid theatre is like security theatre, its purpose is quite different from making any difference to what it claims to address. And in both cases it’s hugely successful at what it is actually aimed at, despite being largely irrelevant for what it is nominally aimed at.
Spot on! I couldn’t have put it better myself.
but the football media – sky and BBC are so woke they still have to remind us every time they show the players taking the knee what it is for (whilst carefully avoiding the words “black lives matter”). so regardless of how useless the precautions are they are totally on board with it all.
Noticed Big Sam on sunday diligently wearing a mask on the touchline .. on his chin , round his neck, occasionally over his mouth. i even saw him wearing it correctly . pointless
No because they all have great football brains…ie their brains are a football.
There is something very dark and satanic looking about the professionally produced Italian dancing nurses and doctors video in a completely empty hospital. Looks suspiciously like a celebration of a job well done – I doubt those taking part are aware of what they are taking part in. Most people viewing surprisingly seem to like the propaganda. https://www.bitchute.com/video/BOJeOMEAJaE3/
Yep, that’s pretty fudged-up
The fairy wings….
The angel wings are certainly one of the many low points. Don’t know what the lyrics mean but it is a pretty bizarre spectacle.
It’s a humiliation ritual for them and for us. We are being mocked at a bewildering number of levels.
The constantly humiliate us with all the propaganda stunts. They even had to have William Shakespeare and grizzling / laughing Matt Hancock with the vaccine roll out. The sad thing is the dead masses don’t even realise they are being openly mocked by the media and establishment.
Many on here will survive this because we are immune to the propaganda and can see through all the lies and mockery. The dead masses on the other hand largely will not.
William Shakespeare of Warwick.
How did that pass by without comment in the media.No wonder Hancock was laughing
Shakespeare was second wasn’t he? To a mildred or something. Shakespeare was the first man. Odd in times of gender wars to make that distinction. But they did. It appears they needed Shakespeare’s name.
With the combined standards of education and journalistic prowess these days, the journalists reporting on this probably weren’t even aware of the ‘coincidence’.
They are dancing on the graves of cancer patients
It certainly has a bit of an Olympics 2012 opening ceremony vibe for sure
Agree with the suggestion of satanic. Angel wings? Is it the place of mortals to assume angel wings and infer their spiritual symbolic meaning? Many of these latest dancing mockings do appear to be professional or at least trained groups – not that I am any expert in dancing. Simply not feasible to see the professiinal camera work and editing capture the dance routines in such a polished package as we see.
Jesus, the comments…
This made me laugh
Asymptomatic is trending on twitter:
https://twitter.com/search?q=Asymptomatic&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Also you can’t be asymptomatic for 9 months even if it was a thing. Interesting that a lot of comments are “it hasn’t been disproven”. It was never proven in the first fucking place. Great reversal of the null hypothesis there, chief.
These munters actually want there to be a problem
They revel in it
They have nothing better to do. Some of them might even be paid to do it.
The BBC has an interesting graph of Critical Care beds available in Cardiff, it’s not that occupancy numbers are very high, just that the total number of beds has been reduced. Significantly.
It’s not made explicit, but there are hints that large numbers of trained staff are self-isolating, probably untested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55454280
The current theory about the theft of half of Cardiff’s critical care capacity in late Nov/early Dec seems to be that the NHS or Welsh health people intentionally redefined what constitutes “adequate” staffing for a bed in order to make things appear worse.
And yes, I’d say it is about literally stupid covid panic measures slashing healthcare capacity. The problem is still the panic response, not the virus.
Friend of mine wrote the following when we were discussing this yesterday: “In the govwales website it says that from the middle of November they started including only those critical care beds which they had “adequate staff to manage “ ” I didn’t ask him for a link, though.
It’s the same in Northern Ireland. Year on year bed numbers have come down from 7200 ten years ago to around 5500 this year
https://www.statista.com/statistics/388589/available-hospital-beds-in-northern-ireland/
So why when you look at the live update on capacity here it sits at 2,800?
Seriously insane.
Trained dancing staff? That the so called real heroic staff have stood silent while their clown colleagues prance around the hospitals for tiktok cameras mocking the nation is unforgivable. It is not a sacking offence to speak out and suggest reasonably that dancing idiots in scrubs diminishes respect and trust in the care profession.
But then, NN, he’s always looked like that.
Key Summary Points
Masks and face coverings, if widely worn, may substantially reduce the spread of COVID-19.
The benefits of mask wearing seem to outweigh the harms when COVID-19 is spreading in a population.
Randomized trials are sparse and have not addressed the question of source control.
Psychological effects of masks are culturally framed and shape acceptance and adherence.
Mandated masking involves a tradeoff with personal freedom.
The problem is that using her logic how does she explain the reduction in deaths in March to June when we weren’t wearing masks?
The article referenced actually contains zero evidence to support mask efficacy-only a pious hope.
I expect no coverage of this at all from al beeb or the rest of the catastrophists gallery:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/who-chief-scientist-warns-no-evidence-covid-vaccine-prevents-viral-transmission?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29
Extraordinary. A vaccine that isn’t a vaccine at all, except perhaps to disconnect us from our humanity once and for all. Billions of muppets the world over are walking straight into this trap from which there will be no escape.
Well, it’s nothing new. We have been told this from day 1.
You mean worse than he normally looks? He’s always seemed rather creepy to me!
As I’ve been saying for a few days now (and should have really been saying all along if I’d realised) – I want to be part of the Control Group – the one where you don’t follow any measures at all.
Because after all are we not following the “science”
I have just sent the following letter to my M.P.
Dear Sir,
Thank you very much for your letter of 22 December.
You may not be aware of the Portuguese court judgement regarding the inutility of the PCR test
You may also not be aware of the recent Bosnian court judgement that lockdowns and masking edicts are an infringement of basic human rights
So one judgement from a country ruled by a fascist dictator up until as recently as 1974 and another from a country whose war of independence only ended in 1995. Shame on us then.
Hospital occupancy is normal for the time of year:
Name me a year in living memory where the NHS has not been stretched?
Many suggest that a precedent has now been set for lockdowns every year. Reform of the NHS is the answer, not lockdowns. We know what reforms are required, but we simply lack the political will, leadership, required:
https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Niemietz-NHS-Interactive.pdf
The Amnesty International report makes it plain that many thousands of elderly and infirm citizens died as a direct result of government interventions. That accounts for a significant proportion of the increased overall all cause mortality figures in April and May.
Nevertheless, overall all cause mortality for 2020 is middling in the context of the last 30 years.
If the ‘new mutation’ is running riot, how can it be that 15,526 truck drivers were tested by 26 December in Kent with only 36 positives, quite possibly all false positives?
‘“Update on Kent lorry situation: 15,526 #Coronavirus tests now carried out. Just 36 positive results, which are being verified (0.23%).’ Grant Shapps
The entire pandemic is based on a false premise as the Portuguese court judgement makes plain. Proceedings against Professor Drosten, whose January paper set out the PCR test process, will, eventually, make that clear for the entire world to see.
You will know better than I the political implications for your party when that day arrives.
Please stop this massively harmful madness. Your government is damaging or destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of our fellow citizens, in some cases their lives, for nothing.
Very good. I was thinking of sending something similar today, focussing on the 15,000 lorry drivers and also the studies rubbishing asymptomatic transmission. My MP is already anti-lockdown (Labour too, surprisingly) but I want to make sure he has current information in the hope that it may be spread to other Labour party elements.
Great! I have been meaning to ask if anyone knows if the Portuguese ruling has had any impact on testing policy in Portugal? Last I read, it had not, and the judgement was not considered relevant beyond the individual case.
Excellent
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/28/covid-vaccine-uk-restrictions-independent-sage
‘My colleagues and I on Independent Sage….’
Independent Sage?
https://www.independentsage.org/independent-sage/
‘Independent SAGE is a group of scientists who are working together to provide independent scientific advice to the UK government and public on how to minimise deaths and support Britain’s recovery from the COVID-19 crisis….’
It is not ‘officially recognised’ but is ‘independent of government and does not answer to it’.
The ‘scientists involved are doing this as unpaid voluntary work. They are all committing hours of their time every week to discuss the science, explain it to and discuss it with the public and produce reports. They are putting advice into the public domain because they believe the public needs to understand the science surrounding COVID-19 and the thinking that underpins the government’s strategy’.
They ‘believe openness and transparency leads to better understanding and better decision making’ and they want ‘to ensure that science benefits all of society’.
So there you are. ‘Openness and transparency’ and an appeal to ‘science’.
What is that racket in the background? It’s Orwell spinning in his grave.
But back to the Graud.
Blah blah step up the vaccination programme blah blah … however:
‘…vaccination cannot be the entire strategy. This is because of the time taken to complete it (that’s even if we reach the target of 2 million vaccinations a week called for by members of the government’s influenza modelling group), uncertainties over its duration of immunity and impact on transmission, and restrictions on its use in some populations (eg children, pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers).’
Plenty of loopholes there. It’s a bit like those hit movies that leave lots of cliff-hangers for future sequels. And this franchise is only just beginning.
‘All this is exacerbated by the fact that, due to the increased infectiousness of the new variant, a higher proportion of people need to be vaccinated in order to achieve population immunity.’
Not ‘herd immunity’ then? I’m guessing you’ve blown your cover on that one.
‘Universities should move to online teaching as the default until Easter at least.’
At least? Don’t you just love it!
‘Our third point in the plan is about the UK’s test, trace and isolate regime.’
‘Regime’? Careful!
Now here’s an interesting statement (and I’ll skip the statistical horror porn. You can fill it in yourself by thinking of a number and multiplying it by thousands):
‘At a time when the UK …. has been …prevaricating about what measures are needed, Australia ….instituted immediate and far-reaching restrictions in Sydney after an “outbreak” of 38 cases. One local person responded by saying: “Let’s go early, let’s go hard and let’s get this baby.” This makes a good mantra for the pandemic as a whole. Our plan is a minimum for what needs to be implemented – without delay.’
I seem to recall Oz as the land of extreme fascistic measures. Yes – that’s the way to go!
Universities went online in March, the last token in-person scraps went this month.
Interesting correlation between increase in People tested positiveand increase inVirus tests conducted
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Tests are virtually worthless though they may show a trend – but the only figure worth quoting is positives per X tests conducted – the raw numbers are utter bollocks
even the ratio is dodgy. depends why they are testing people. are they going into hotspots or repeatedly testing NHS workers (who must have all had it). testing symptomatics or healthy people.
I think the zoe covid is the best – but it will pick up normal colds to some extent
R from the zoe app coming down significantly
‘3rd wave’ going to peak in a few days if it carries on
Fourth wave coming up. Everyone must soil the bed.
I wonder how many deaths are from Lockdown zealots who have electric blankets?
Those deaths are caused by a new mutant strain.
The correct response is to shit the bed even harder.
Hey we banned bedwetters but now we have bedshitters. Yippee!
Note the fate of the ‘second wave’.
It was a normal seasonal rise.
excellent, we can credit the ‘peak in a few days’ on the T4/revC circuit breaker lockdown we instigate a few days after that
well, there’s something going round. my whole family has a bit of a cough and the sniffles.
nothing worth destroying millions of lives for – I’m just not ‘worth’ it
we need the sane ones alive.
“Susan Michie, a Professor of Health Psychology at University College London and a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behavioural Science, a SAGE subcommittee, said emerging data suggested transmission rates were going up everywhere, hospitals were being overwhelmed and thus the only way forward was a national lockdown, including the closure of schools.”
She’s a Communist. She’s a member of the UK Communist Party. She despises Boris and the Tory government.
She’s not an immunologist, or a virologist, or an epidemiologist. She’s a Health Psychologist, whatever that is.
What on this God’s green Earth is Boris or any of his cabinet or anyone else doing listening to this woman? In a previous decade, not that long ago, she would have been regarded as an enemy of this country, every bit as much as Kim Philby proved to be.
If she’s not advising the government to destroy itself and this country, then she couldn’t do a better job if she was.
I thought the UK’s Communist Party had demised long ago. Although the “Morning Star” is still going.
Hospitals are not being ”overwhelmed” of course. Their so-called ”covid wards” may be – especially if they’re putting anyone in them who tests positive.
Consider that MI5 records of the communist backgrounds and sympathies of Blairites such as Mandelson, Straw, and Blair himself, were intentionally destroyed after Blair came to power, to cover up just how far things had gone:
“Fascinatingly, the Guardian, of September 22, 1997, reports that Mandelson, by now a Minister, had called on MI5 to ‘weed out and destroy’ all files held on Cold War-era subversives, which he said were now ‘entirely redundant’.
His demand followed the leaking of alleged details from his own file by a renegade MI5 agent.
A few months later, in January 1998, newspapers, obviously acting on official briefings, reported that MI5 was indeed destroying its files on political subversives.
So the only comprehensive, reliable record of who all my revolutionary comrades were has been erased forever. I would guess that many very interesting names were there.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6197097/PETER-HITCHENS-reveals-REAL-truth-Communist-infiltration-Britain.html
Worth bearing this in mind when old left fantasists such as a couple posting here try to pretend that Blairites are not leftist. That nonsense is based on their silly supposed belief that left/right is only about nominal control of capital, which completely misunderstands politics and indeed reality. Mostly they cling to it in order to try to pretend that the left is still some kind of beleaguered dissenting group, and not to blame for all the leftist pc and internationalist nonsense we’ve had foisted upon us for decades now.
Hitchens was a Trotskyist himself, so he’d know more than most the kind of threads that have been spun under the surface level narrative of British politics
Yes, he also understands the left/right issue better than most, having moved from one extreme to the other in his lifetime (not that his conservative position is equivalently “extremist” to that of a radical, just that it is at the far end of the radical/conservative line, specifically).
A LEADING British Communist has said that her party’s members should be working “full tilt” to get Jeremy Corbyn in 10 Downing Street.
Speaking at a Communist event in London Susan Michie, a leading activist for the party, said that it was no longer putting candidates up against Labour.
At a meeting in London earlier this week, Professor Michie, whose ex-husband Andrew Murray was an aide to Jeremy Corbyn, told Communist members: “At the 2017 general election we decided not to contest in the election, and fully support Jeremy Corbyn, and the Communist Party of Britain (CPB) has agreed that supporting Labour is the priority and that it would be inappropriate to stand candidates.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/928055/Jeremy-Corbyn-Communist-Party-plot-make-Labour-government-Susan-Michie
Unlikely she’s not been recruited by the CCP….
CCP leadership must be pissing themselves…
The communists who infest public life are the facilitators not the instigators of this.
the infestation of academia has spotted an advantage and is using it, who choses sage members, and what is their politics…
Do stop wetting yourselves like Pavlov conditioned dogs at the term ‘communist’. The main thing is that Michie is an idiot, and that puts her in company with the proto-fascists of the Tory Party, who are the main progenitors of this shit-show.
Yep.
spoken like a truly anchored leftie…
I’d settle for a Communist government at present.
One along the lines of:
You will all work (and be seen to be at work,not skulking at home)
Children and students will attend schools and universities.
You will show a calm demeanour in public like good citizens (wearing face masks and avoiding public houses will be treated as a crime and harshly punished).
Remember Stalingrad!
Remember Leningrad.
We will never surrender whatever the cost!
Yes, Churchill was a bit similar but Uncle Joe really meant it – at the cost of 20+million?
She’s one of the worst. She’s never softened from her calls for a total lockdown for months. Awful stuff.
as a behavioural scientist she is an expert in disease
You will be interested to see this deleted (but saved by an astute Twitterer) Tweet from Susan Michie deriding someone holding a position in public office who has circulated a memo stating that we are all being lied to. Intriguing. Don’t suppose it was Boris Johnson!
https://twitter.com/CoojeeBear/status/1342824618718093319
Johnson has no real problem with communists. He is much closer to them than he is to most Tory voters.
The NHS thinks keeping beds near max capacity year round reduces waste, improves efficiency and saves money – not sure the hundreds of billions of money being burnt to save the NHS is particularly efficient – and the collateral damage; unnecessary deaths, livelihoods lost, businesses ruined, etc….
Every winter the frail elderly, nearing natural end of life, with failing immune systems, succumb to respiratory problems – some years worse than others, so….
Maybe it would be more efficient to have some dormant respiratory disease hospitals and trained up part-time staff (much nursing work is toileting, cleaning, feeding patients, etc) that could be called upon during the annual winter
flucovid season – bit like we have the TA, part-time fire fighters, RNLI, etc… but for wintertimeOh, and sack all those wankers badly running the NHS
You are thinking sensibly, logically and empathetically. Your services are not required by the NHS, SAGE or the Department of Health. Goodbye.
Damn, i was hoping for a multi-million pound contract for my advisory services, I’ve already expanded the above into a 2 page action plan (had to use big writing)
The NHS. A healthcare system so amazing that no other country in the world has copied it.
Maybe Cuba and North Korea have,,,but not for their top brass of course.
A bit like the fever hospitals we used to have until we sold them off due to the value of the land underneath them.
I don’t think they’re hospitals. They’re dormitories. For whom, I wonder. Any guesses?
The arseholes are out in force again – and I don’t mean the crowds of people:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55474533
Quotes (my emphasis): Dyfed-Powys Police tweeted that they were “conducting high visibility patrols” in the Brecon Beacons and “officers are engaging and educating and where necessary will enforce restrictions”.
Educating! ROTFL!
And:
Mr Davies [deputy leader of Powys County Council] said: “I can understand why people want to get out into the fresh air” but that “the rules are very, very clear [stupid] around this”.
FFS! The threat of Wuhan Lab Flu MUST be greater indoors than out. What the hell is the rationale that says travelling for exercise is dangerous?
Just tell the Piigs “key worker”
How will they know?
If you volunteer the correct info you deserve everything you get
Plenty of mock up forms can be obtained online in the style of all major banks
There is no rationale other than to further disorient and demoralise the target population. It’s worked a treat for the last 9 months.
The idea of thick coppers educating people is laughable.
whole of Buckinghamshire – Tier 4 ‘hot zone’
6 people on ventilators, 100 in hospital with covid. That’s across about 6 hospitals including the large Stoke Mandeville (where paralympics started). They have 5754 full time employees
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhstrust&areaName=Buckinghamshire%20Healthcare%20NHS%20Trust
absolutely negligible. we are being so lied to!
The latest scare stories are that whole families are being admitted to hospital with Covid including lots of young people, is this true? It also begs the question as to how people are ending up in hospital? if the local GP will not see them I guess they go straight to hospital and are then admitted for observation and then have to be assessed for discharge which is tying up hospital space.
Why on ventilators?
Was known back at the end of March that mechanical ventilation will most likely kill a true covid patient and it was not a recommended treatment so they must have something else that is requiring ventilation.
Treatment for covid was established as the same as for altitude sickness – high percentage oxygen flow.
We’ve never, ever, had a pandemic of a ‘virus’. We have a ‘scamdemic’ instigated by the government and force fed to the Nation by the media. Covid19 does NOT exist. The PCR test is nonsense and the whole latest wave is a cruel fiction.
without the PCR test – this is a normal flu season
Big story missing on the Beeb and Sly News.
Margaret Keenan and William Shakespeare are due their 2nd dose of the vaccine today.
So, where are the cameras? Where are Mrs Keenan and Mr Shakespeare? Are they both still alive?
Is Mrs Keenan with her very young looking ‘children’ actually a real person or a made up character? I suspect they could fool the incredibly gullible public with anything following this year.
They’ve been fooling people with ‘crisis actors’ for more than a year, Darryl.
murdered probably. anything to stop them dying of the vaccine
Heeerrre’s Margaret! Apparently she’s “recovering well following her discharge from hospital”. Recovering well from what?
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-margaret-keenan-first-patient-to-get-pfizer-vaccine-receives-second-jab-12174859
Recovering from the brainwashing exercise that this was. That’s my guess. Or if I was to second guess, recovering from a side effect of the “harmless untested jab”
Are they reading this forum, Liz? We mention there’s no news about it and, suddenly, there’s the story.
Still want to know, where are the cameras, etc?
Sorry, love; Handjob’s got some news for you.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Sky, the Beeb and other MSM have “moles” reading this forum. Wouldn’t be a bad thing, they might learn something.
Indeed they would, Liz.
Twats like that will never learn.
Just out.Damage limitation?
https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1343896485008715776
New epidemiological data published by the PHE. Looking at age-sex distribution of cases from 31/08 to 22/12 (based on S-drop out – SGTF), distribution of cases are similar across age groups for other variants (left) vs. the new variant (right).
A nothingburger?
In the same study, 28-day case fatality rate analysis was restricted to 2,700 cases. 12 of 1,340 (0.89%) variant cases died within 28 days compared with 10 of 1,360 (0.73%) comparator cases. No significant difference was seen in mortality rates (Odds ratio:1.21, p=0.65).
In the same study, 42 (out of 3,538) had a record of hospital admission. Out of this, 16 (0.9%) new variant cases were admitted to hospital compared to 26 (1.5%) other cases. So, no significant difference was seen in hospitalisations (p=0.162)
As I read this,nothing points to more kids infected,no more deaths,no more hospitalisations.Stop the nonsense of mutant strain now.As the gov ordered this study the must act know.Keep schools open! And clean up the eggs on Hancock’s face
we could fry the eggs while on his face
Basically, we need to stay in lockdown forever, or at least masks and SD, because it may be 70% more infectious. We just can’t take that chance.
Seriously, they never want this to end.
Yes, this is what I think now as well. I think there are two possible ways though that this could be foiled.
The little dictator is going to announce more draconian rules & probably more lockdown measures tomorrow.
All because of the “new strain”
Unfuckingbelievable!!!
Also, taken from the shitty Edinburgh live propaganda rag, which keeps up the brainwashing, scaremongering propaganda.
Utter wankers.
Anyway, for all in Dictatorship Scotland,
Here it is
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/covid-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-give-19532926
Also, they are also running this article, regarding the stupid face nappies.
I do feel sorry for people who have hearing difficulties & rely on lip reading.
But, who cares about all that eh? (I don’t mean that in a nasty way, I am talking about the government’s & the brainwashed sheep here) & all the other thing’s that have went to fuck because of this utter lie & shit show.
The need to keep up with the scaremongering & brainwashing is strong.
I despair. Poor woman.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-key-worker-distressed-after-19532406
I fully agree with you on that stefarm. It is seriously sad that the masses are so brainwashed.
scotland covid admissions plummeting since late october
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=Scotland
Aye, I know that steve_w.
Unfortunately, the brainwashed sheep in the dictatorship that is now Scotland don’t know that.
They all buy into the little dictators & the wanker dentists scaremongering & brainwashing propaganda.
what annoys me is that people are so thick – this ‘scare’ has smoked out the thick and the fascists.
anyone who looks at the data objectively can see there’s little to it.
I want to say ‘I told you so’ repeatedly to my in-laws. I thought that was going to be this summer but they have extended the panic out to next Spring.
Yes, that nasty new mutation:
https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1343878143925493766?s=20
Dictatorship of the Plebs.
Predict schools closed until at least Feb half-term, mandatory masks out of home, essential journeys only, no mixing of households except for support….oh and a huge rise in suicides and irreversible damage to the mental health of an entire nation.
My thoughts exactly. We could also go back to one hour a day out of the house for exercise, just to be extra safe (though I hope few people would fall for that again).
Some people do very kindly keep their biohazards to themselves, in some cases for a Iong time I would guess based on the girl I saw on a bus sniffing her muzzle before wrapping it round her chops
The hysterical reaction is much worse than the disease. Unintended consequences – for people with other health problems are going to be immense. Far greater than the numbers who have died from this illness. The government has become more deadly than the virus.
No one under 45 should be bound by these absurd restrictions unless they have major health problems. My mum survived it at 84 years old and my friend’s mum recently survived it – age 87- living alone in Moscow.
1.3 million people work in the NHS. What are they doing? The NHS exists to serve us. We are not here to serve it. We’ve have had no response to a hospital referral from GP, OT or District nursing for 3 months. Now we have a grade 3 pressure sore and an adult safeguarding incident. General practice is failing.
The more damage they can do to the economy the more power politicians seize – why let a crisis go to waste. They are intoxicated with power. MPs see people as adults with learning difficulties, unable to think for themselves.
Too much isolation is known to be a major risk to human health & wellbeing than not enough. Government’s own research shows that social isolation is as damaging to health as smoking 15 fags a day.
https://time.com/5248016/tracey-crouch-uk-loneliness-minister/
Covid 19 is a moral panic. They love a drama, a crisis. The idea of seeing anything in perspective, context or in proportion has gone.
Always worth remembering when one looks at the hospital Covid figures; they are all fake! Let’s look at what the MSM and SAGE are saying is bringing the NHS to its knees.
NHS Definition of a Covid-19 patient: For all relevant data items: a confirmed COVID-19 patient is any patient admitted to the trust who has recently (ie in the last 14 days) tested positive for COVID-19 following a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test.
Key phrase there is ‘any patient’. Doesn’t matter if they are in after having had a heart attack, or a stroke; or are suffering from gunshot wounds, or a broken hip after a fall (very common in the elderly in the winter). It doesn’t matter if the patient is being treated for Covid, just that they tested positive in the last 14 days.
So, that one is bullshit!
NHS Definition of a hospital admission: People admitted to hospital who tested positive for COVID-19 in the 14
days prior to admission, and those who tested positive in hospital after admission. Inpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 after admission are reported as being admitted on the day prior to their diagnosis.
In other words, any patient above, and any patient who tests postive for Covid-19 following a PCR test at any time during their stay (possibly as many as 80% of ‘admissions’ meet this criteria). It doesn’t matter if the patient is being treated for Covid, just that they tested positive at some point during their stay.
So, that one is also bullshit!
NHS Definition of patients in Mechanical Ventilation beds: Mechanical Ventilation bed occupied with confirmed COVID-19 patients – includes any MV bed containing a confirmed COVID-19 patient. England figures are the numbers of patients in beds which are capable of delivering mechanical ventilation and includes Nightingale hospitals.
The Beeb, et al are trying to make the public belive that this number is only of people who are either intubated, or on CPAP; this is not true. Mechanical ventilation beds include any hospital bed where any kind of mechanical ventilation can be provided; this includes providing patients with Oxygen, even by mask, or that little tube they stick up your nose. This covers just about any bed in a modern hospital.
and when you keep testing the same person you will end up with a false positive sometime or another.
& you forgot to mention testing Coca Cola also, that yields false positives also.
Statistically, when there is low incidence, widespread testing of the asymptomatic, and high Ct used – then the odds of a false positive are somewhere around 10 times that of a true positive.
and even if the FP rate is 2.8% (middle guess from PHE) then you test someone every day for a a couple of week and you will ‘probably’ find them positive
Meant to add to the above. My post above covers the gist of a conversation I had with 3 cancer consultants in a leading London hospital this morning. They don’t believe a single word they are hearing from the Government, or from their masters in the NHS.
Thanks for the explanation of mechanical ventilation bed.
Anyone on morphine containing pain medication will receive oxygen.
A colleague had an abdominal surgery and was on a morphine drip/oxygen.
That came from one of my colleagues; he said the NHS/Gov were being misleading by not mentioning that any patient being fed oxygen by any method was ‘strictly speaking’ in a Mechanical Ventilation bed. That’s what they are counting, he said.
He felt it disengenuous of them to not point out that someone who has tested Covid positive by PCR, but not being treated for Covid, isn’t really a Covid patient. His only assumption was it was done this way to:
i) keep the scam going, and
ii) the bed managers love it.
Just as an aside: I had a heart bypass (or 3) 5 years ago; I was on oxygen (fed to me with just a mask) for the first 2 days of my stay in hospital; get the lungs pumped back up and all that, but… and it’s a key but.. they got me off the ventilator as soon as I came round after the operation.
“Got to get you off that thing as soon as possible,” my two ICU nurses told me, “those things kill people!”
Absolutely. When our Trust puts out the numbers of patients in ITU, which terrify people even thought the numbers are tiny (ITU only has 6 beds and has never been full this year) they neglect to say whether they are being ventilated or not, and most of the time they’re not.
Seems Ivermectin is going the same way as hydroxychloroquine and is being banned.
South Africa has banned a drug that has been safely in use for decades.
https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/sa-drugs-regulator-bans-miracle-covid-19-treatment-as-unsafe-4e36c339-c65c-4cc6-93d2-d7e748eefcb6
How can they ban HCQ in a malaria ridden shithole like SA ??
They’ve banned Ivermectin not as far as I know HCQ
I think we all know why but:
Why Isn’t Ivermectin Being Widely Researched and Utilized?
https://trialsitenews.com/why-isnt-ivermectin-being-widely-researched-and-utilized/
Err, so let’s go with a rushed, untested vaccine vs. a largely very safe drug that more and more studies are showing incredible results.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
Highlights
• Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro.
• A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.
• Ivermectin is FDA-approved for parasitic infections, and therefore has a potential for repurposing.
• Ivermectin is widely available, due to its inclusion on the WHO model list of essential medicines.
Probably received a stipend from the World Bank.
You have to admire their audacity. (Or perhaps it’s just arrogance caused by the sadly correct assumption that the media is basically a big bottleneck megaphone which they commandeer.) They insist everyone take the vax while also clearly admitting that taking the vax will make no difference and everyone will still have to mask up and socially distance etc. Until they deliver the next vax which will also make no difference. And if you start to ask awkward questions, the Left will be there to blame it all on capitalist incompetence. Niiiiice!
novel strain no worse than normal strain
bbc reporting it and linking to this
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948152/Technical_Briefing_VOC202012-2_Briefing_2_FINAL.pdf
“Preliminary results from the cohort study found no statistically significant difference in hospitalisation and 28-day case fatality between cases with the variant (VOC 201212/01) and wild-type comparator cases. There was also no significant difference in the likelihood of reinfection between variant cases and the comparator group. “
Yep. That’s the suitably restrained statistical analysis that blows all the Scary Fairy stuff right out of the water. (Proper ‘science’.)
Wee dictator obviously not yet seen it
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-55474222
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1343923746801905664?s=20
From the Speccy article, he asks: “So what else could explain the surge in London cases?”
Err… could it have something to do with the introduction of mass testing in 21 of the capital’s 32 boroughs?
Nah! Surely that’s just coincidence.
The article is interesting.
What I really love though is the axiomatic assumption that millions could die and that lock downs work.
You then see that the author is a Professor of Statistics.
yes, lockdowns work perfectly, millions are dying
If (and big if) the levels in hospitals ‘with Covid’ are now what they were in March/April, is that not clear evidence that masks do fuck all and probably makes things worse? There was no mandate then. The standard reply will be ‘imagine what it would be like without those measures’ no doubt.
I am convinced that
1 – sending covid patients to care homes ‘killed’ 30,000
2 – missed cancer killed 20,000
3 – etc
ie the government response has caused most of the ‘excess deaths’
if you were involved you’d do everything you could to talk up the ‘pandemic’ and act as though you were saving 1/2 a million (from your modelling). That way the 50,000 you killed gets ‘lost in the noise’. “Yes, mistakes were made, but our prompt action saved hundreds of thousands of lives… etc”
yes, reality has been lost in the fog of effective propaganda
Goebbels would have been impressed
If Hitler is watching this from beyond the grave – he must be well fucked off – all those tanks, fighter planes and bombers, battleships and U-boats, incredibly brave tough soldiers, etc, etc….
all he needed was; a nasty cough and a pathetic, irrationally hysterical, easily frightened enemy – should have waited a few years
just to add, I think they believe it.
If you had 2 advisers, 1 was telling you you were a great leader saving lives of ‘your people’, the other was saying you were killing thousands – who would you believe? They are narcissists.
I agree. They have no choice. Are in so deep that they have to convince themselves that what they have done is right and that Covid would otherwise have been the Black Death, 1918 and the Plague of Justinian all rolled into one.
This is also why the vaccine is seen as the Holy Grail. It is the only way out that does not require the politicians to admit that they did the wrong thing. It is like declaring victory in a war.
But, I fear it will be a Pyrrhic victory. The vaccines have not been fully tested. They cannot have been. There has not been enough time. My worry is that this will be another scenario like AZT treatment for HIV.
I agree. The main reason that this has dragged on for so long is that the Government can’t bring themselves to admit that they over-reacted. Why? Because people have died as a result of their actions. They have to keep the illusion of an existential threat going until they are sure that won’t be held to account for their criminal incompetence.
Just mooching the ONS death stats for the week ending 11th December 2020. Released the 22nd Dec so just before everything shut down for the holidays.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending11december2020
Keeps mentioning that covid-19 deaths of any description were down again but total deaths were up for the 5th week running.
I’ll hazard a guess and put these deaths down to the lockdown instead of the pandemic.
I also looked at the data set that runs from 2001 to Nov 2020 as the above report goes ona bout tehir statisticla model they are using to guess the number of detahs due to delays in reporting etc.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales
Apart from April 2020 this year is within the normal range.
So where’s the pandemic and the dead in the streets?
Hi Awkward Git.
This may interest you. PHE graphical representations of ONS data.
Scroll to the bottom and look at wk ending 4th December and click on deaths by underlying causes to see the decrease in respiratory infection deaths.
Sorry, actual link here.
https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-week-ending-04-Dec-2020.html#deaths-by-underlying-cause
“…but total deaths were up for the 5th week running.”
I’m looking at the England & Wales figures, and the trend for all deaths has been down for the four weeks since the 20th November.
12,535, 12,456, 12,303, 12,292
As you say, though, current mortality is well within the normal range for this time of year, judged in the quarter-century time-frame.
There is no ‘unprecedented’ event – except politically.
New stats out tomorrow. Last weeks stats showed the past 5 weeks total deaths were less than the 5 weeks in January 2020 which was supposed to be (but wasn’t), pre covid. Obviously due to lockdown saving us all. Sh*t life, but saved, thanks to the morons running the country.
Oh please!!! FUCK OFF!!!
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-health-chief-issues-warning-23234966
Typical BBC today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55471235.
The thumbnail headline: Anger over ‘backpacker’ party on Sydney beach. Any half-decent public service broadcaster would know that the scare-quotes there are around the wrong word. It’s very obviously a backpacker party. What’s contentious is the ‘anger.’ I doubt very few people actually felt ‘anger’ about some young people having a bit of fun. But hey, why let that get in the way of rhetorically construction a universal audience of zealous lockdown fanatics who all think and emote in the same way? You could do an entire study of the way the BBC laughs in the face of its charter (impartiality, objectivity) in order to pursue its identitarian politics just by studying which words it puts scare-quotes around and which it doesn’t.
The BBC is evil
I guess by tomorrow most of us will be in Tier 4 or 5
Greenlaugh is disgracefully attempting to be the authority on masks. All her arguments suffer from the same issue for me. She’ll take an indication that masks may work, whatever that may be, and make the leap to masking everyone. That kind of thing is a red flag. It’s dogmatic and I just ignore her now.
The mask debate is so toxic. Populated by some very disturbed individuals
She wants to be careful who is around if she sprawls out her legs on benches!
For years we’ve been told certain cancer drugs were too expensive, suddenly, they find billions to plough into a mild disease. This needs to be investigated asap. Where is the money coming from, couldn’t be the pharma companies, could it.
It’s coming from us
Where did the money to fund the Second World War come from? From borrowing from the USA, which took 60+ years to pay back.
The cost of the Vietnam war was beyond any ability to pay, which was why the US went off the Gold Standard, in order to debase its currency and, in theory, cover the cost of that disastrous conflict.
I can’t help thinking we’ll have some similar kind of reset for the Great War on Covid.
new ONS figures out tomorrow. then another email to my MP. he always responds and has become more sceptic over time and joined CRG.
Problem is, the only political opposition to this is from the CRG and they are so ‘brave’ when numbers are coming down and so ‘quiet’ when they are going up. You either have a position (lockdowns are worse than any benefit they provide) or you don’t. Your position shouldn’t be contingent on some shonky PCR tests and dodgy modelling
In fairness, there is a legitimate position that says “I’m not sure what the real truth is and I’m prepared to back lockdown if it’s really necessary but not if it isn’t, and necessity depends on whether lots of people will die”.
That’s a charitable way of interpreting a position that goes one way then the other according to how the numbers wind seems to be blowing.
Less charitable would be to assume that they are equally ignorant as to what is going on, and aware of their own ignorance, but are only concerned about getting the blame if they get it wrong.
Indeed, but this goes back to the fundamental failure of all those involved in this decisionmaking process to properly assess the costs – they have no real idea of the benefits (or at least had no real idea – now it’s evident that the benefits of lockdown are more or less nonexistent) but are aware there’s a slight chance of a big downside, but you can only really judge how to react to the possible downsides if you know what it’s costing you
They are paid to make judgements and take the blame if it goes wrong
Absolutely true. My point is intended to address the internal consistency of a position that varies according to current information, not the basic culpability of all our elected representatives. Should probably have said “understandable” rather than “legitimate”.
It’s not legitimate because, as you say and like the entirety of the government’s position, it fails to properly place the emphasis on knowing the cost side of the cost/benefit balance before any action can possibly be justified.
Surely MPs can spot the inflated ‘case’ figures surge whenever their support or acquiescence is called for?
I do know some perfectly decent, intelligent and even mildly sceptical people who are genuinely unsure what to make of all the numbers. Imo we need to be a bit careful to remember that we converse here from within an unusually well informed and also intellectually committed bubble of opinion wherein it is easy to be absolutist about the facts.
Which of course is not to dispute Julian’s point above about the higher duty on political representatives to inform themselves properly. But MPs should by no means be assumed to be unusually intelligent or well educated. Those are not the qualities tested for by our selection process.
All good points. To an extent a workable life relies on taking things on trust, not evaluating every decision from a sceptic starting point.
But when you are indefinitely shutting down the world in an unprecedented way, some extra care is required.
Humans are very adaptable, which is a strength when the adversity you face is unavoidable but a weakness when it’s a massive own goal.
They need to root out the Frauds and Fakes, however they can, and prosecute
Now when calling my GP surgery you get a short message that says,’Please use the online ask- my -gp service,ONLY wait on the line for reception if you do not have a smartphone or internet access’,so the NHS putting even more distance between itself and patients.In my experience when using the online service for anything other than a consultation you get ignored.At least they’ve got rid of the 5 minute recorded message about covid and calling 111 instead of them.
England in Tier 5
Neil Ferguson will be in Tier 69
Some interesting stuff in the Government’s briefing document from 21 Dec 2020 about the wildly dangerous you are all going to die again mutant strain:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948152/Technical_Briefing_VOC202012-2_Briefing_2_FINAL.pdf
Conclusion as we know – no signficant difference between the old and enw mutant strains.
But look who wrote it:
Authors:
PHE: Meera Chand, Susan Hopkins, Gavin Dabrera, Hester Allen, Theresa Lamagni, Obaghe Edeghere, Christina Achison; Richard Myers;
Imperial College London: Wendy Barclay, Neil Ferguson, Erik Volz; – did this cretin actually put his name to something truthful at long last?????
University of Birmingham: Nick Loman; University of Edinburgh: Andrew Rambaut;
Wellcome Sanger Institute: Jeff Barrett
Acknowledgements: The authors are grateful to those teams and groups providing data for this analysis, including:
the Lighthouse Laboratories
COG-UK,
the Wellcome Sanger Institute
the PHE Epidemiology Cell and outbreak surveillance team.
For queries relating to this document, please contact: PHE.NICC34@phe.gov.uk – I’m sure we can think of something to ask them
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Here is a Twitter link to a pro-Lighthouse Laboratories website. Lots of people on their bandwagon.
https://twitter.com/search?q=Lighthouse+Laboratories
The whole saga is now out that new mutant strain is a non-event. See earlier postings below multiple and also in BBC.
How could this develop into one of the biggest hysterias globally ever?
When reviewing the SAGE/NERVTAG minutes 21st Dec everybody noticed the caution of the scientists in predicting this new variant. One can imagine the following question of the politician to the group
How probable is it being more infectious and among children?
Answer: probably not so likely considering being around since Sept but one cannot exclude anything due to the recent increase locally.
Second question from the politician. How quickly can you give a more robust answer?
Answer: PHE could most likely give a more considered answer doing an epidemiological study which could be finished in a week.
Hancock’s option was to wait a week or use the information opportunistically for his own purpose.
He chose the latter as he wanted lockdown and further SD measures rapidly.
By doing this he deserves a gold medal for creating the biggest hysteria for a very long time. Forty nations incl. Sweden started a blockade against UK flights and all started chasing dangerous spreaders everywhere including in the Alps. Politicians everywhere where trembling. Dr Fauci himself transformed himself in five days. From low risk to a dangerous mutations which makes test necessary for every UK visitor .New York’s mayor DiBlasio ordered deputy sheriffs to knock on every door where those dangerous Brits were hiding.
I think Hancock should be given credit for exposing such a herd stupidity.
Disgraceful. Needs outed before he does any more damage.
I just wish Joe Public would wake up. How blatant does it have to get before they uncouple themselves from the obviously corrupt narrative?
Its not just Joe Public, where are all the legal minds, the top Business minds, etc who are all subjected to this nonsense, why are they so compliant
My guess is that a. many are compromised in some way – vested interests, bribes, contracts etc. b. many believed the hype and are now unwilling to do a u-turn in case it harms their reputation/gets them fired etc. c. many are probably happy that their businesses are paid to tick along nicely with taxpayers’ money and may be able to use the covid as an excuse to ditch assets that have become liabilities.
IIRC I have only heard of ONE elected public official – a councillor in the W.Midlands – who has publicly announced he will not abide by Covid regulations.
I agree. The mutating and allegedly faster spreading virus is very useful for lockdown zealots.
Clearly, the lock downs do not work. The virus seems to do what it does anyway. We have a similar level of respiratory illness to a standard December and we are only calling it Covid because the PCR test tells us it is. With no PCR tests going on we would call it flu, bad colds or whatever else. Same basic outcome though in terms of pressure on hospitals and so forth. A normal winter in the Northern Hemisphere.
The alleged faster spreading mutant ninja virus allows government, scientists and media to believe that the lock downs work despite that. Their belief is that this new mutation is faster spreading and the lock downs are the only thing stopping it from spreading everywhere. So, in their minds lock downs work and we need more of them! Without the mutation, this would be a much harder line to sell, I believe.
This is cognitive dissonance on a seriously grand scale though. Hancock really is General Haig leading a bunch of willing fools into the twentieth first century equivalent of the Third Battle of Ypres.
Today we have two reports today to digest, which almost illustrate that we now should rely more on collected real data rather than predictions modelling. Obviously, in the beginning of the pandemic modelling had a place as one factor in the public health response. As time has progressed, real data must have a higher value at the expense of predictive models. Today we read the predictions in a report done by the SAGE team what the mutant strain could do for the NHS all based upon modelling. And today PHE published an epidemiological study based upon real data which tell a completely different story. The two reports contradict each other and we must throw away the predictions and go for the real data.
What is the charge used when someone falsely shouts ‘FIRE!’ in a crowded venue?
When are the legal prosecutions going to begin. Sage and the Politicians must think this the greatest scam ever, they can hardly stop smirking, especially when they see The Muzzled
I think cabinet papers can be released in twenty years time now (was thirty years)
A worrying trend where I am in the South East, young men/teenagers wearing the male equivalent of the Niqab, dark coloured/black trousers, black hoodie pulled up and bandana style face covering so you can barely see their eyes, literally covered from head to toe, and wearing this everywhere, not just in shops, but just walking around on the street, quite intimidating, looking like they are about to rob you. There must be something wrong with a young man who does this, they know they are not going to die of the virus. Older men dont do it, they just wear a regular face nappy, but I wonder why young men are doing this.
I imagine many of them enjoy looking intimidating. After all, there’s nothing else for them to do to amuse themsevles, other than gaming, I suppose.
Snowflake pandemic. First panic of the social media generation, unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle so we can look forward to this level of panic and gross stupidity for the rest of our lives. Government are weak and scared of social media, so now we have the country run by the likes of the buffoon and trying to keep twitter, FB and the like happy.
Before all of this bullshit they would of been stopped and searched by the police refused entry to shops and pubs dressed like that but now they will be stopped and searched by the police and refused entry to shops and pubs if they don’t dress that way
Something to look forward to next year?
Covid-19: ‘This is not the big one’, WHO chief says https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1229/1186786-coronavirus-global/
Extracts:
————————————————————————————
As many on here know already, 2020 has been just the warm up act. Prepare for an exciting 2021.
Let’s hope to fuck this one actually kills people; that will save Governments making up numbers.
Still not wearing a muzzle – rather catch it and die anyway
They would only know if they have it planned, just like Covid 19, they had Event 201 first to play with
I thought just before this one they ran all sorts of simulations and were prepared? Clearly just not the preparation we thought.
Scare mongerer. All pre-planned. Defund the W.H.O. Live the good life.
https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1343938209177333760?s=20
May I suggest that the best use for one of the unused nightingale hospices would be to rehouse Parliarment in what they would regard publicly as covid safe arrangements? That way they could go and do what they call work and we could see them doing it or not.
How about we just place all the MP’s and SAGE in one of those unused nightigale hospitals and just blow it up. That would save about 1 million lives.
They would only elect another lot, although I can’t tell you when of course.
I would pay to actually see that happen.
I am waiting to see what the reaction is to the ‘Investigation’ of the new variant.
One of the barriers to understanding that I have found is the unwillingness to see that the pseudo-scientific propaganda machine has been telling massive porkies right from the start. I understand that impulse towards trust.
… but underneath this mild scientific paper is indisputable proof of the sort of fictions that have been created, and the false crises generated.
Any bets on the range of probing investigative journalism that will blow the gaff on this one?
Blair was on video telling Ferguson ‘there is not enough compliance’, so when we think back to the beginning, and they were announcing regularly that things would get back to normal with the VACCINE, we can see what the lockdown’s are meant to do, have people gagging for their vaccine to get back to normal.
I am reminded of the infamous Iraq War video: “KEEP FIRING….KEEP FIRING….KEEP FIRING….”.
No further news of the much more deadly South African variant or are they saving that entertainment for the New Year?
As far as I know it was only described as more dangerous on one person’s twitter (SA version of Hancock) and they have now backtracked.
Britain leading the world again.
Yep! the WEF is showing it’s true colours now,
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/08/systemic-change-are-you-ready-for-what-it-means?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_scheduler&utm_term=Social+Innovation&utm_content=29/12/2020+14:45
Remeber folks you won’t even own your pants when these guys are finished. THE FIGHT MUST CONTINUE
It’s amazing that people who call themselves philanthropists have an article with a photo at the top of it of a young woman being forcibly handled by police. And we’re supposed to believe that these people have our best interests at heart?
Sadistic.Evil. Need to be exterminated.
The comments are good though
just an idea, but its way beyond me so i offer it for free;
”Woke Free TV” – doesn’t need a 1000 page plan – the name says it all
A News program would be welcomed by many as there is none currently and, apparently, there are 3 successful unemployed presenters with a proven concept for a program called ”Sporting Questions”
I would go one further and say that I want to see everything implode. I want people to experience rolling power cuts, food shortages, all takeaways and fast food places shut so they have nothing to eat, the closure and collapse of everything, including Our Wonderful NHS. It’s the only way the idiots will ever wake up. Even then I’m not sure they would.
I’ve just found out Your the disgusting facist faggots have banned Talk Radio from uploading. They are truly evil. The lockdown isn’t just stay in the house it’s a total lockdown of information. I can’t imagine even this site will last much longer.
If you want to stage a coup, you have to control the flow of information.
There has been a coup over the last year, never has the influence of the establishment on media and technology been so obvious to the public (yet most are completely blind to it). The UK and other ‘western democracies’ aren’t free societies, they are as centrally controlled as many of the ‘dictatorships’ such as Belarus – they are just more honest and the people realise how the system works.
Remember in the UK if you currently disagree with the establishment on lockdowns and mandatory Covid vaccines you are considered to be a ‘domestic terrorist’. Even lawful citizens have their entire online history monitored and information stored by GCHQ and the CIA – at least the Stasi and KGB only had paper records.
Might make some of their pro-government hosts sit up and take notice.
was this meant to say Youtube? Talk Radio is still available live on YT. just watched it. And there are other videos on there ? So what has been banned ?
New recorded videos I think, there hasn’t been any for a week.
I noticed that as well. I’d always look for Peter Hitchens on Mondays and I can no longer find his segments. It’s been at least 2 weeks.
It’s not coming up in my live feed so they’re obviously doing their best to make sure you don’t listen
Peter Hitchen’s latest
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/12/29/latest-news-238/#comment-326038
Soory, wrong link, try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwDEeN91Mw&ab_channel=JonathanMayhew-Price
Just watched this, uploaded yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwDEeN91Mw
https://www.rt.com/uk/510961-lbc-host-anti-lockdown-rant/
Maajid Nawaz lambasts lockdown addiction and receives much support
I’ve been impressed with Mr Nawaz recently – being a Muzzie he knows religious zealotry when he sees it
He actually appreciates the preciousness of freedom, apparently many don’t
Sad that you have to choose where to be locked down, but having been to Thailand a few times I vote to head to the sea.
If the government are going to impose draconian lockdowns on us, you would think the government should be able to provide evidence to justify these restrictions but when I send FOI requests to the government, this evidence is not forthcoming. I have split the lockdown justifications and result of FOI requests into separate posts.
Lockdown justification: covid is highly infectious. If people with covid interacted with others they would infect them.
Result of FOI request: The E mail below was sent to the NHS and they were unable to answer my questions and I was told to contact Public Health England
“Sir Patrick Vaccine
Not so dangerous
Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 17% and only one in three people pass it on their spouse, study finds
Researchers analyzed 54 studies with more 77,000 participants reporting household secondary transmission of coronavirus
Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 16.6% | Daily Mail Online“
Can the following questions be answered
1) Has any research been carried out by the NHS how infectious people with covid are and what are the results of this research. Was it found that people who lived with covid sufferers or had been in close contact also catch covid. Have people who have been admitted to hospital with covid infected staff or patients. By infecting I mean actually becoming ill and not positive PCR tests as there is a dispute how reliable these tests are.
2) This is from a document by an anti lockdown group regarding PCR tests.
“why is it necessary with this test for the swab to be inserted all the way to the cribiform plate conntected to the brain when according to doctors an in cheek swab would be sufficient?
Modern science can take a swab from the inside of your mouth and do a complete DNA mapping. If covid 19 is so contagious that tiny microscopic particles of saliva in your mouth and nose could spread 6 feet and you need to wear a mask, why not swab the inside of your highly infectious mouth? “
Is this statement correct that swab tests can tell if someone is carrying in infectious respiratory disease such as covid and does the NHS carry out these tests. Is possible for someone to breathe on a surface and the saliva be tested to see if carries an infectious virus and does the NHS use such a test.
Lockdown justification: Cases are rising and restrictions are necessary to prevent further infections.
Result of FOI request: The following E mail was sent to the NHS to establish were cases were coming from. The NHS sent a reply saying this was not the responsibility of the NHS but the Department of Health and Social Care. The E mail was sent to the Department of Health and Social Care on the 23rd of November and an acknowledgement of the query was received on the same day but no response has been received to my query.
“I would like to make a freedom of information request on two subjects.
Subject 1
Can you provide the following information for positive tests results for coronavirus which were done from the 1st of September until the 23rd of October throughout the whole of the UK
In which centres were these tests carried out
How many attended each day in the period I requested.
How many positive results were obtained each day.
Subject 2
Can the following questions be answered.
Are people who were told they tested positive without being tested included in positive test statistics
Since the beginning of lockdown in March, are there statistics available on the number of those who were classed as testing positive without being tested.”
Lockdown justification: Asymptomatic people can spread coronavirus which is why lockdown rules must apply to everyone.
Result of FOI request: The E mail below was sent to the NHS and as can be seen the NHS couldn’t answer a single question.
“I would like to make a freedom of information request regarding the subject of asymptomatic transmission. Could the following questions be answered :-
* Has any research been carried out by the government into asymptomatic transmission.
* If research has been carried out into asymptomatic transmission, can the following be answered
How do asymptomatic carriers spread the disease as unlike symptomatic carriers they will not cough or sneeze.
How long do asymptomatic carriers stay infectious.
Are asymptomatic less or just as infectious as symptomatic carriers.
* Have there been documented instances of people who tested positive but had no symptoms and those around them fell I’ll.
* Is the possibility of healthy asymptomatic people spreading coronavirus a major factor in placing draconian lockdown laws on the entire healthy population.
* If there is no evidence of asymptomatic transmission, would the government still feel draconian lockdowns which apply to whole population would be justified.
The NHS doesn’t hold this information”
That’s not how authoritarian governments work unfortunately
Go to the sea or head to the hills.
Backwoods.
The reality of course is that we have all the power, if only a majority of us realised it.
If anyone else fed up to the back teeth with oncoming pedestrians hiding around corners, in driveways, et cetera in order to avoid walking past you on the pavement and then expecting you to say Thank you? I’m not playing this foolish game. A man was stood around a corner while my son and I walked past. My son was directly behind me and we had left plenty of room for the man to walk past. But he practically hid. I caught his eye and he clearly wanted a Thank you for his efforts. I stopped and said (paraphrasing somewhat), ‘Mate, I’m not a rude person, but I’m not saying Thank you for being treated by my fellow human being as if I have the plague. There’s plenty of room on this pavement for both of us, this is not the plague, and I’m not playing along with this nonsense.’
I asked my son if I embarrassed him (he’s 10), and he said I had a bit, so I explained my actions, that I was standing by my convictions, pointed out that I wasn’t rude and that I had a smile on my face, and told him he’ll understand when he’s older.
Good for you.
I understand exactly how you feel. I have the same problem. I’m not a rude person normally either but I now just ignore people when they jump out of the way because otherwise, I would end up saying something really offensive. Well done on telling the truth.
Indeed, Kat. Until today I had either ignored these people or said Hello instead of the Thank you they so utterly crave, depending on my mood. But no more.
The last time someone did that to me I gave them an extended “death stare”. Didn’t say a word. They visibly shrunk and crouched even lower behind the wheelie bin they had picked to protect them from the plague. Idiot.
To be fair, I could easily have a pint with you, Richard!
As parents it is sometimes our duty to embarrass our kids! In this case you set a great example for your son. When I still lived in Toronto I would never move out of the way for anyone — if they were scared of getting too close to me it was incumbent upon them to dodge me, not the other way around. I got into verbal arguments with people a few times, so it’s probably a good thing I left the city.
The world’s gone utterly mad, Lisa.
I just stop at the narrowest part of the pavement and wave them on…
I have been unmasked in the shops for months, but had my first ‘cowering away’ person today – closely followed by another one! I suspect it’s due to the ‘Mutant’ propaganda that’s going around. I too have got fed up with the exaggerated standing aside and the waiting for thanks. I just ignore it now or say ‘good morning/afternoon’ which I would say anyway.
I just start pretend coofing
just for the lols
fuck ’em
I find blowing my nose causes alarm. They can’t accuse me of ‘spreading the virus’ because I’m using a handkerchief.
very well done to you sir!!! he will indeed understand, and be very proud
Did this bedwetter say anything back to you?
He was taken aback at first, looked confused, and when he’d finally caught up he nodded and smiled rather pathetically.
Great we all need to do this.
Neil Mccoy Ward has uploaded his 2nd video of the series based on a ’90 year old diary predicting the next depression’ which focuses on financial corruption during the 1930s in the USA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82t6kIB4ts4
For those who missed it, this is the link for the 1st video which focused on food, housing, unemployment & dance marathons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdhEnzZ6EuM
Neil is reading from “The Great Depression: A Diary” by Benjamin Roth
Great video’s, always a good reminder of how history repeats itself.
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weeksyears to flatten the curve and protect the NHS. When Bevin set up the NHS I bet he envisioned it as a service that would need to be protected by the people.What next? Defend the army from aggressors both foreign and domestic. Serve and Protect the police?
Does anyone even remember that curve let alone the flattening? It’s all just an advertising jingle. I can’t even recall the one they brought in after that. “Turning point” or some such. Have we had “zero tolerance” yet? There must be a team of jargon producers up there working on the next punch line.
I like to repeat the slogans multiple times in (literal) parrot fashion, it really grates on people. Especially the vintage ones like this that they may have forgotten.
I like repeating, “social distancing”, “stay safe” and “we’ve all got to our bit” in a snowflake voice.
“Five tests” wasn’t it? Or was that Gordon Brown?
Wasn’t it “contwol the viwus”?
The other day in the Post Office I saw a big poster about masks, hand goo, social distancing etc. But no mention of Covid or indeed any reason why this was all necessary. I suspect there will be more and more propaganda like this, so that this madness gradually becomes part of ‘normal’ life.
I do this, too. I tell them I was waiting so long I decided to put the kettle on; would they mind waiting till I make a cuppa. Then I make them listen to the music from my phone; a decent cuppa takes a good while to brew, you know.
Top tip: download Spring by Frankie Vivaldi and the Four Seasons onto your phone; it’s a big favourite with the government departments.
Excellent idea! Will be doing that myself. How about answering with ‘NHS Track and Trace, this call is being recorded for monitoring purposes. How may I help you?’
Would be quite amusing conducting the whole conversation ss though you were a recorded message…”Your response is important to me but currently all my brain cells are busy dealing with what you just told me. I’m sorry I didn’t understand that. Cam you repeat that? If the answer is yes, please say yes.”
But we do.
And how!
I am a law-breaker! Returned home today from a Christmas break in a different tier to my own and we stayed in a hotel that was open & welcoming guests. The booking was made when everybody could go away for 5 days, then somebody changed their mind once more & the mass panic broke out (again). To be fair to the hotel I rang them and their reply of “hotel bookings systems don’t follow Government dictats” said all we needed to know.
Best bit of the trip was being able to walk into a cafe and sit there to eat & have a drink. 100s of people out and about and the big majority had faces that nature designed, no manmade additions. Our trip away was to a large town with its own Nightingale Hospital. With everything kicking off again surely it must be busy? Nope. It’s being used as an outpatients clinic for radiology patients. Covid? No because the health authority can’t afford to run it
The response that I have, so far, from my MP is that ‘Unless the overwhelming weight of global professional scientific opinion and the overwhelming weight of political activity across the whole planet is wrong then I do not think it is realistic to say that we can ‘swiftly return the economy to a normal footing’. That appears to be the majority view in parliament……sounds familiar………’the science is settled’ etc.
Then we have someone called Mr Greg Norman, who is, apparently, a golfer and now has a headache and his beer tastes funny…..but is on the road to complete recovery.
The man has not even contracted pneumonia but still feels able to offer really useful advice like, for example: ‘Please take care….’ although he was luckily able to take part in last week’s PNC tournament in Orlando, no doubt for a healthy stipend…….
I feel a ‘Lockdown Prune of the Week’ award may shortly be in the post to you, Mr Norman….but well done anyway.
“Unless the overwhelming weight of global professional scientific opinion and the overwhelming weight of political activity across the whole planet is wrong “
Ask him if he saw crowds of people appearing to jump off a cliff to their death or maiming, for no apparent definite reason, whether he would follow them. It’s a preposterous, lazy argument – if the case for lockdowns is so good and obvious, make it yourself and own it, don’t just say you’re following everyone else. What does he think we pay him for?
As Desmond Swayne said, Herd Stupidity
Went into Costco with a bit of a runny nose
The good thing about the visor is you can still snot all over everything
which I duly did
bought nothing
great idea, browse around costco looking ill and infectious, and buy nothing
It’s really not hard to look ill and infectious on a cold morning.
That’s what I like to hear.
Two old ladies in the Post Office today. Of course, fully masked and with winter woolie hats on and coats buttoned up to the chin. ‘You’re looking really well dear,’ said one. How on earth could she tell?!
I think being elderly AND alive counts as ‘looking really well’ thesedays.
It’s what you conventionally say to an old biddy who looks to be at death’s door.
Reasons to be cheerful part 399: “Police turn back large numbers of people from the Brecon beacons from as far away as London”.
F××k teir 4, Johnson and Drakeford.
turn away how??
it is so easy to lose the pigs on the Beacons – just go the long meandering way round or pretend to get “lost”
Great news.
has someone just explained the reality to him
Tiffany Dover is dead according to this video – checked at ancestry.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNs-i8OqxQ
Wouldn’t be surprised if they are just playing games with the public, and that she will appear somewhen saying saying she’s never been so healthy and we should all get jabbed. The whole event just looked incredibly fake even by American TV’s low standards.
watched the ‘proof’ she was not dead, not particularly convincing – but I sincerely hope, for her kids sake at least, that she is alive and well
I’ve been to Thailand a couple of times. My choice would be one of the smaller seaside resorts that haven’t been taken over by Russian tourists and Aussies looking for girlfriends. Bangkok I agree isn’t that nice (although not too bad by SE Asian standards away from the main roads) and up-country gets very hot and sweaty.
Work instructions: Don’t forget to manically wipe down your computer terminal when leaving and disinfect your workspace. But what is the true meaning of this? Is it not an expression of loathing for your very bodily existence? All under cover of a concern to protect others who you are not allowed to approach, all hiding their faces according to the wishes of psychopathic overlords who cannot abide the idea of any people meeting in their own groups to socialise and – the ultimate risk – to form their own ideas and ask their own questions.
No it must not happen. The only reality to be permitted is the reality bestowed from above. The overlords can no longer permit any freedom of movement or of thought. This is now THEIR world. And don’t you forget it!
I do that with shared keyboards, telephones, desks, drawer handles, door handles etc anyway in shared offices when I arrive and weekly afterwards- I’ve read hitchikers guide and know what nasty stuff you can catch from them.
No really, I’ve seen teh swab results and I work with some really manky people.
Schools to open a week later!
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Week later better than not at all but there is still time for a Boris trademark U-turn.
U turn if you want to – the pasty fatty’s already turned
Fuck me the comments are scary. We have a long way to go.
They can’t be saved. If they still believe an asymptomatic 4 year old is a danger to a 35 year old, neither of whom have any risk to serious illness even if they were so unlucky as to see symptoms, then they are lost forever. I honestly can’t think of a route back for them. Even if it collapsed tomorrow and Hancock was sent to jail, they’d start a GoFundMe to help his release campaign
Seems like vaccinees are queuing up for the second shot now. According to trial volunteers it is the second shot which is really challenging and that probably led to manufacturers to warn tgat being vaccinated is “not a walk in the park”. I wonder whether many old and frail people won’t find it just too challenging. Of course can expect any consequential deaths to be ascribed to other factors.
We all know what any additional hospital admissions will be put down to.
That’s worrying, how can vulnerable people withstand something they openly admit to being ‘challenging’.
Yup! The return of dying from ‘old age’, for example.
Unvaccinated old people die from Covid-19; vaccinated old people die from natural causes.
It seems that after wearing three different masks in the course of her hospital visit for the first jab, old Margaret decided she didn’t need one at all for her second dose.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-55478675
She must have instant immunity.
I have to agree. She looks extremely well at 91
The key difference between a “conspiracy theory” and a “theory” is that the latter is testable and, ultimately, falsifiable. For instance, my theory is that at least some members of SAGE and its subsidiary committees are, to borrow a term from the world of John Le Carré novels, “compromised;” in other words, my theory is that, at worst, they are in the pay of the Chinese government, or at best, they have financial interests in the pursuit of policies that mimic Chinese lockdowns and, in doing so, better China’s international financial position vis-à-vis western governments. We know, of course, that Susan Michie is/was a card-carrying member of the British Communist Party. But I wonder whether things go a lot deeper than ideology and get down to the level of people’s wallets. Yes, these people are well-paid. But they’re not that well-paid. We know it happens in sport, so why not here? It’s arguable and needs exploring. To test this hypothesis, I would therefore like the public (or at least, say, the National Audit Office, FCA, whatever) to have access to the meta-data from every type of “incoming payment” made directly or indirectly (e.g. via close family members) to each and every SAGE committee member over the past 10-15 years: each SIPP, trust fund, current account, ISA, share dealing account payment into each onshore and offshore structure (etc etc) that is either in their name, their family’s name or the name of their associated companies/investment vehicles. I would be very, very interested to see those details. It seems only fair that we should get this meta-data and be able to test this theory. If there’s nothing in it, then my theory has been disproved and we can put their societally destructive actions down to groupthink and/or a desire to punish the working-classes for voting for Brexit. All I’m asking is for transparency and the ability to test an important hypothesis. After all, MPs have their Register of Members’ Financial Interests. Scientists, too, when publishing peer-reviewed work have to declare their financial interests (i.e. who’s funded their work). I could go on. To the best of my knowledge, however, SAGE have to declare nothing other than “other public appointments,” “previous public appointments,” “personal and business interests,” and “political activity.” It sounds quite a lot, but you don’t have to be a genius to work out that none of that need include non-appointment and/or role based financial incentives/payments (which might mean “bungs,” of course; but might also mean any number of other things too, which, whilst no doubt correct to the letter of the law, might cause us to question their objectivity and impartiality). It’s unacceptable that a group that has now accrued such extra-parliamentary executive power is not subject to this national-security level of financial scrutiny and audit. Their decisions, their media-leaking and their non-scientific, deeply political lobbying of the Cabinet means that they now hold great sway over the legislative, executive and judiciary arms of the UK’s Parliamentary system. They’re pushing, again and again, for Chinese style lockdown policies that are killing the psychological and social health of this country. Yet we know next to nothing about the skin they’ve got in the game. This needs a petition on Chang.org. It needs 100,000 signatures. And it needs MPs to then debate it in Parliament.
Chinese propaganda lockdowns. China never has had a national lockdown, even at the “height” of the pandemic. This is why the CCP-controlled WHO formally don’t recommend lockdowns even though the WHO rep here (the appalling Nabarro) always, but always, backs the lockdown “cure” in the UK.
It’s an idea that was born in China, and has been transported here, as an idea, by SAGE. That’s my point. Notwithstanding, and whilst I agree with what you’re saying, that doesn’t detract from the other part of my argument, that these policies are deeply damaging to the UK/West and deeply beneficial to China, as the world’s creditor.
Fred,
who benefits from China being blamed?
I don’t know what post you’re responding to. But I don’t see how your question can be in response to what I actually wrote. It’s not a question of blaming China in any way shape or form. They’re free to do what they want to do. My issue is with SAGE.
That’s strange.
I see western problems as home-grown.
The western financial system is finished. Its welfare systems are bankrupt.
It’s not dificult to see plenty of internal resons for western leaderships to want to take tighter control.
Those who are really to blame. Blaming China is a distraction tactic.
The first port of call is the PM and others in the UK leadership. They had a choice.
I suppose it is interesting to speculate about other actors, and certainly notable that China has suffered less. Yes, we are their creditors but as we become weak they become relatively stronger. Maybe they believe it is a zero-sum game.
I certainly think if there’s any kind of conspiracy than China is more in a position to pull it off than groups of private individuals and NGOs.
The WHO is controlled by Bill Gates and whether he is controlled by China is a different matter, though it seems unlikely.
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for example china finances a port in sri lanka . it then builds it . Sri Lanka owes billions on it . cannot pay the interest .. OK says China.. you will lease it to us for nothing for 50 years and whoopee we have a naval base in the Indian ocean.
I am not a fan of the ‘China did it’ theory.
It reminds me of Big Brother pointing the finger at Goldstein.
Some wnt us to go to war with Eurasia, others with Eastasia.
The virus coming from a wet market in Wuhan must be completely false as even the MSM went silent on that pretty quickly.
Covid-19 seems to benefit the wealthy/powerful and the military industrial complex. The prospect of having every human on earth chipped, tracked and their health statistics being uploaded 24/7 is a long time dream for the technocratic globalists in the West who for some reason seem to view China as a model society, not the dystopia many of us view it as.
Agree with a lot of what you say.
My basic opinion is that our financial system is finished and that Western leaders are moving, of their own accord, to tighten their grip in order to deal with the fallout.
Financial system has been completely rotten / misallocating capital for over 20 years. They just keep the show on the road by creating more and more digital money. The Chinese have the unenviable position of holding billions in US Treasury notes – which is quite a bizarre situation to be in if you believe that relations are really that hostile.
They had no choice; that market didn’t/doesn’t sell bats.
They may also have been compromised fiddling with children. this is all too often what these fuckers do:-
Belfast’s Kincora scandal and MI5 must be part of Westminster paedophile inquiry – Ken Livingstone (derrysinnfein.ie)
Kincora: UK child abuse inquiry must look at Belfast boys’ home, says Amnesty International – BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
Mi5 getting pictures of young boys being abused. How fucking disgusting.
Fred,
agree with your position that many, perhaps all of these people are probably compromised, and that it would be interesting to get hold of the details, but I don’t see it as in China’s interest, although they – or a faction – may have played a part at some level.
If anything, I see it as the dollar-centric financial system ‘circling the wagons’, after the repo crisis of 2019 called time.
Like I say, all I have is a theory. That’s all. In testing it, I might/will be proven wrong. That’s fine. That’s how democracies work. Or used to work.
Fred, there are many folk who are now swilling in money as a result of Covid debacle who could well ‘bung’ millions for favours rendered and not blink and eye. Apparently at least 50 new billionaires were created in 2020, due to the nascent Covid ‘industry,’ 27 of whom are Chinese.
10navigator – excellent. That’s another theory we can test… once we’ve got the data…
Forget change.org – one big investor is Bill Gates.
Dammit!
I keep thinking that the government have been replaced by NGO’s ie SAGE etc that’s why Parliament don’t seem too worried about what’s going on, because they know its nothing to do with them when, not if, the **** hits the fan. It seems like its a lot bigger than national governments who are just running like Ken Clarke used to always dream of, as a town council.
I can’t make my mind up if the PM is frightened of SAGE and they are running the show, or they are doing his bidding, but my gut tells me the former
I think Johnson’s well known lack of attention to detail has really come back to bite him. He obviously doesn’t have the mental capacity to concentrate on complex data so is probably asking his advisors for simple binary options, then choosing the “safest” one (from a “controlling the virus” perspective) every time. A sequence of decisions taken in this manner has spiralled out of control to the point where there is now no exit strategy.
Whatever – this is Johnson’s shit-heap.
True
If he’s frightened of SAGE he may get unfrightened
If they are doing his bidding then even greater evil is afoot
Johnson is not a fool. I think his instincts are probably quite good. If so, he must have known this was shit from the start, but lacks the attention to detail to be sure and lacks the balls to trust his brain. Unless, as you say, there is something much worse going on
Lockdown was a political decision.Its sage who have turned science on its head to justify Government actions.Dont know if that helps.
https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1343677125837127681
I agree with part of the tweet but the pandemic didn’t end. It was suspended due to summer and resumed in the autumn.
maybe you’d like to take that up with mr. smalley himself – he’s much cleverer than me
Bullshit!!
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/record-daily-coronavirus-infections-uk-164539965.html
Of course it is; they’ve added in all the numbers that Scotland and N. Ireland didn’t report since the 23rd.
They really are giving full meaning to the old phrase “lies, damned lies and statistics”.
They need a big shock figure to parade in the next clown show announcing total lockdown.
Plus a dodgy extrapolated Graph of Doom.
That’s coming tomorrow, El Presidente the little dictator is holding a special government meeting apparently. Wee boot that she is.
I wonder if the fearful and compliant masses in the general population would be able to answer why if there is a really a great plague are UK house prices and residential rents in many areas at a record high? and if so many have died as they believe, why are there so few empty houses? Surely even with all the money printing if things were that bad you wouldn’t be able to get house prices to increase?
Also the UK stock market went up another 2% today and is close to record highs, many markets around the world are at record highs. There seems very little connect between the chaos and fear portrayed in the media and the prices people are willing to pay for assets.
That will be the funny money finding real assets.It doesn’t matter,economic collapse is inevitable and there will be no safe havens.
I cannot understand the utter silence from the media over the coming economic apocalypse.
https://dunctank.podbean.com/e/sam-vaknin-coronavirus-in-a-narcissistic-society/
Interview with Sam Vakin where he he discusses medical social psychological economic challenges of pandemic and responses to it like lockdown quarantine isolation etc. chilling & prescient.
Sam Vaknin is a professor of psychology and an expert in narcissism. He is also the author of the book “Malignant Self-Love”.
Quick update.
It was for me a quiet day in Tier 4 Hampshire
The staff who did not take holiday are back happily working in the office. Sod work from home – too ineffective. I did get an email from one staff member asking if the move to Tier 4 changed anything and said ‘no’.
Visited my daughter’s house for Xmas cake and a coffee – parked out front and marched through front door. Gave up using the side entrance many months ago.
Noted quite a few visitors on my street today using the side entrance when visiting folk. Comical. Often they park higher up or are dropped off. So I reckon many neighbors are waking up a couple of months behind us. But there is definite progress.
And they say we are not in a police state when you have to surreptitiously call on people. Just before Christmas I called my sister in law to ask if I could drop presents off at her house (she lives in Wales so tier 4). She said she didn’t want us to call as neighbours may see us FFS. This is tyranny.
Good for you
‘Extreme concern” as UK virus cases surge. “Quick, quick, cattle! Stampede to the vaccination pen! Don’t get left behind, or we’ll send you to the slaughterhouse with no immunity passport!”
Ah but its from the CCP’s BBC – I prefer my information from RT – its slightly more believable propaganda
I haven’t watched the BBC in weeks but I am aware that the number of symptomatic cases is increasing.
Yeadon and Clare Craig need to give up on the herd immunity and False Positive nonsense. They have destroyed the credibility of the anti-lockdown cause.
Where is the data published for symptomatic cases?
ZOE app consistent with -> ONS survey -> consistent with the increase in people I know personally who are actually bed-ridden with Covid-19.
Thank you. You must know an awful lot of people! The ZOE app estimates 550,000+ infections at the moment (<1% of the population). Not all of these will be bed ridden. I guess that’s why anecdotal data is not particularly robust. Personally I don’t know anyone who has contracted Covid-19 in 2020.
me neither , they must hide it well
Someone remind this guy its winter
Ah, Mayo, the only remaining believer in the mass PCR testing in here – but all credit to you for your faith
keep defending mathematical model predictions, there’s always a spin somewhere
I don’t have “faith” in it and I would question the accuracy of the numbers but it does indicate a trend.
Cases are increasing and it is not all due to False Positives. Why did we not see all these false positives in the summer?
take away the pcr test, and – are we not simply in a normal ‘flu’ season?
Exactly Major.
All Cause mortality remains in normal bounds. The proles are refusing to drop like flies.
We shall see tomorrow. It was 17% above 10-year mean last week and 9% aboev 10-year maximum. Peak death is traditionally the second week of the year – you’ll have to wait another four weeks to see that data.
Correct
If you are not Matt Wankcock…are you Neil the doom monger Ferguson?
And you are also aware that any increase in symptomatic cases, the data for which can only come from Zoe, is slowing and the data indicates that process started before Christmas; Herd immunity is dealing with a, significant, nosocomial outbreak in the prisons on the Isle of Sheppy. Mayo, I have spent enough time hanging around on fora covering all sorts of subjects to spot a passive aggressive, shit stirrer. You aren’t a weirdo like the knicker sniffer, but the whole “I am opposed to lockdown too” line has run out of oil, at this stage, and everything is starting to rattle.
Aye, the Big Ends are banging away. Just like on my old viva, back in the day. Sometimes a couple of handfuls of sawdust down the oil filler quietened things down enough to pass the problem onto the next sucker.
People……Mayo is Matt Wankcock by the way.
I think of it as counter-propaganda.
Let me guess, because of the MuTaNt? Or we didn’t follow the Christmas rules?
Already peaked according to specimen date and ZOE, once again optimum LD timing.
Your ignorant, anti-governmental post has just caused another 1,300 cases. I hope you’re happy.
Lol.
It’s a question I keep asking but where and who are the 53135? If we are in this situation after months of lockdown then clearly time to try something else .
As a billionaire elite type (although I do admit I look like a freak – but then I can afford to) – I find that China has it spot on….
the billionaires control all things including the corrupt chinese communist party, who control the plebs.
perfect – what’s not to like
A useful point when broaching the subject of why a masked person is wearing a mask outside. Children under five need to see faces with emotions to learn. By hiding faces behind masks people are harming childrens development. This is going on so long now developmental impacts will be caused in children. Is it not the duty of all in society to act in a spirit of compasion and help others live well. It takes a village to raise a child so the African proverb says.
Seems increasingly impossible to reason with these people.
I assume the aim of the establishment is to get this generation fully integrated into AI from a young age – possibly the first Transhuman generation? It’s funny that A = 1 and I = 9 in the alphabet.
I was wondering earlier today what the number of suicides would be this year.
Found this table elsewhere purporting to be made up from ONS figures. If true it puts things into perspective.
Puts things into perspective?! Don’t do it man; for Christ’s sake!!
yes, no need to start now
Do you have a link ?
Updated Human Tissue Authority guidance issued.
https://www.hta.gov.uk/policies/guidance-contingency-storage-arrangements-deceased
No mention of covid deaths building up and causing problems with storage space, just normal winter causes.
Surely there must come a point where even the journalists are fed up with life how it is at the moment and start to change tack? Don’t they have families and kids too or are they just loving this too much to care?
Yes thats what I am struggling with too. How can they derive so many people for so long, its immoral.
I mean deceive!
I knew what you meant. But you mentioned derive, which also begs the question, how many scaremongering stories can they derive out of this shit show? Answer…loads.
Shower of wankers the lot of them.
First of all, I don’t think most people are looking at the ‘big picture’ and even most journalists are just looking for the next sensationalist headline. Remember that the dying corpse of the mainstream media has received a massive shot of adrenaline from the Covid panic (as well as, allegedly, lots of money from dodgy sources to keep the fear going).
Second, I think the acquiescence to lockdowns is part of a global mindset change similar to ones we have seen throughout history. Did the Tudors object to the ruination of the monasteries and the desecration of churches during the Reformation? Some did, but many profited from it, and even if you disagreed, if you knew what was good for you, you kept quiet and went along with it.
What we’re seeing is, I believe, the culmination of soft-socialism, welfarism and nanny-stateism that has been building since the war. The idea that we should be scared of everything and that big government has the power to deliver us from that fear if only we obey its rulings.
It is in the interest of the print media and established multinational owned online brands to print anything the government tells them. They are receiving hundreds of millions in advertising revenue from the government which would disappear if they told the truth. Also the government is attacking, censoring and closing alternative media providers so there will be less competition in the future.
Any ‘journalist’ who still works for a mainstream media outlet doesn’t give a damn about truth and free speech. Their jobs now resemble that of publicists and propagandists.
Well said
Hence the ludicrous charade of the Downing Street press briefings, which would have made the most hardened journalists at Pravda blush.
Journalists are exempt from lock down rules are they not?
I wonder the same about the police.
They are probably earning more than before due to the new funding. They will not stop easily, I don’t think.
Let’s try again
cant believe putting on trousers didn’t make the list
I just walked into the door frame, nearly knocked myself out. I guess that goes under accidents or Covid
It could also count as “Hit by inanimate object”.
It would go under covid, just to keep the numbers/stats up.
What about bashing my second toe and loosing a toenail?
Is that covid related?
Covid toe!
Actually, I think I’ve got Covid c××k as well.
Lol! That will be a new symptom of the “new strain” of the virus.
I think my existing coronavirus colonies have been infected with the mutant strain of coronavirus. Should I drive them to the test and trace facility to be tested?
Hope that doesn’t ache too
For your sake I hope it’s ‘Long Covid C*ck’.
Rasputin …. allegedly initially fed tea and cakes laced with cyanide. then three glasses of madeira (also laced with cyanide). then shot in the chest . later he recovered and was shot again . then thrown into the Moscow river .
But if he had had a test the week before it would have been recorded as death by covid.
People were tougher back then.
Rasputin would probably have cured Covid with fish soup (apparently he ate it with his hands) and copious vodka.
Ra Ra Rasputin
Never used a Covid screen
It was a shame how he spread it on!
where did you get from? is there one for 2019?
Hi Biggles. Thanks for the chart. Someone is bound to ask me where cancer and heart disease are. Is it because that’s not available demographically? Ideally we’d have the all cause total as well showing that it adds up. Maybe I’m just misunderstanding it.
Not to be picky, but how is accident different to “fall from stairs”? Or from a building?
Why are we not told how many people are being tested?
because that is informative
Because you wouldn’t understand? Just get back under your bed, Bill Hickling, and wait for us to call you out when everything’s safe again.
Fred, I would open up everything and give responsibility back to the people.
I know you would, Bill. I know you would. (“Nurse, we’ve got a live one here. Bring the “vaccine,” please.”)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-statistics-10-december-to-16-december/weekly-statistics-for-nhs-test-and-trace-england-10-december-to-16-december
You can find the numbers tested at the link above, Bill; figures are for England only.
If you believe this rubbish you need locking up.
Which bit do you not believe?
The whole fucking lot of it.
I am beginning to think that you are Matt the wank Wankcock by the way Mayo..
You are not tested for Covid 19, Covid 19 is a disease requiring distinctive symptoms to be displayed. You are tested for the possible presence of the coronavirus SARS-Cov2, if you were following conventional disease screening techniques a first +ve indication would need to be backed up with a second confirmatory test.
As well as which it is now well established that the number of replication cycles used with the PCR test is crucial and yet this is not clarified in the testing procedure.
I have lost all faith in statistics that are shared with us by Government now. However, I do find it plausible that many thousands of extra people will have been for a test in the run up to Christmas to be ‘safe’ or because they have had seasonal sniffles.
Mrs Awkward has a few questions on the 2nd jab for the Mrs Keenan:
We’re getting a bit desperate now.
Why was there a clicking sound in the background of the footage that, when turned up, slowed down and then played in reverse, sounded very much like a Morse Code version of: “You will obey your masters, cattle povvos.”
Why was the Nurse administering the vaccine shot the same height as Lee Harvey Oswald?
Why is that, that when you take the second and third letters from Mrs Keenan’s surname – e and e – and go one letter further on into the alphabet you get f and f? FF is, of course, government security service shorthand for a ‘false flag.’ Do they think we’re stupid?!
(I’m only joking, Mrs. Awkward…)
You are.
As there is apparently no other way to achieve immunity she is now the only person in the world who is.
A little odd that she had to ‘recover’
She was an inpatient at the time of the first jab. They started out with lots of older people who were already captive in hospitals. Don’t know what she was in for, though. Recovery nothing to do with the jab.Poor woman might feel a bit rough after the second dose, though.
Hopefully she is recovering from whatever the NHS did to her other than the vaccine.
That’s her best getting-vaccinated outfit. Obviously none of us will have one, but I’m sure other people are carefully planning their attire for the special occasion.
Strange that her hair hasn’t grown. Looks exactly the same as on 9th December.
I’ve got a suit of armour for mine.
What a good idea! Here’s me complacently dreaming away that it won’t ever happen to me, but definitely better to be prepared.
No masks, that’s the freedom the jab gives you (when you have it on the telly at least – not in real life obviously).
Some sources are lazily using the picture from when she had her first jab. I wonder why?
https://twitter.com/NickTriggle/status/1343971554288402438?s=20
Nick Triggle
@NickTriggle
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has found no evidence #newvariant #coronavirus is more able to infect children than other variants. Important finding given #CloseSchoolsNOW debate
#CloseSchoolsNOW#ALotOfTeachersAreLazyBastardsFixed that for you, Nick.
Yep – getting a bit sick of these fuckers + a sprinkling of parents pushing for this every time they break up.
Yummy mummies and daddies plus namby pamby wimps.
Yummy daddies?? Surely not lol.
Trigger is likely a closet sceptic.
He has put his head ever so slightly above the parapet on two or three occasions.
He’s been pretty good tbf. Quietly ploughing a lone furrow at the Beeb.
Cant be easy in that nest of vipers.
It’s been more than that, he’s had quite a few articles with unfortunate truths that the BBC would classify as verboten. I thought he would have been demoted to the shipping forecast by now. His articles do seem to have a habit of getting demoted down the BBC “news” home page quite rapidly though.
Ferguson should be nicked for that, using children to further an agenda is lowest of the low.
Send this to any fucker you know who still thinks hospitals are overwhelmed. It’s like i’m living in a fucking movie, honest to god a man could lose his mind.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/U2NVms7iAEKV/
I just posted that link on an article on the scummy Edinburgh live website, funnily enough, some brainwashed arsehole mentioned about the NHS being overwhelmed, so I thought I would put them straight (although I will more than likely get banned again from commenting)
cheers for that link Biker
That is the local media site, same in every area Trinity Mirror run. Don’t waste your time run by Commies for Commies, with other views not welcome.
These scary NHS overwhelmed stories and the labyrinthine NHS data make it hard to unravel what is really going on with the NHS? It is quite wrong that we have to evaluate the NHS on data and stories supplied by the NHS. We need some sort of independent review and assessment team to give an objective view of the NHS.
With most organisations, having been paid around £130 billion and with around 1.5 million staff, the paymaster, Gruppenführer Hancock, should have the NHS chiefs on the carpet and be demanding to know why with all that cash and all those staff they are overwhelmed? Instead of which he rounds on the people, it is our fault for getting ill, ludicrous. The NHS cannot be allowed to continue in its present format.
What is the ACTUAL danger if it were to become overrun? Nobody gave a shit in the past when people were being ‘treated’ in corridors.
Blair’s ‘targets’ resulted in people being kept outside in ambulances but we didn’t destroy the economy over it.
Blair’s targets were better than that.If you couldn’t get an appointment within 4 weeks then they wouldn’t see you,so no treatment
Wonder what Sarah Vine sees in him?
Jesus H Christ, James Max is an obnoxious bullying bastard. He’s on the list now.
I agree. He shuts down anyone who disagrees with him.
Spouts orthodoxy – tells people they’re not qualified if they question it. Must have learned at the knee of O’Brien. God, that’s a horrible thought.
“Tony” was brilliant just now.
Meant to post this earlier, but wanted to share the joy of a Sunday jaunt to two different seaside places in West Wales. I was amazed on rolling up to one to see a full car park and the takeaway café doing a roaring business in coffee and mince pies. Down at the beach everyone enjoying themselves. Loads of people, not a mask in sight! Then onto the second place which is a sizeable village, and again not a single mask to be seen. Smiles everywhere – it was glorious!
An interesting conversation with the woman at the café who said she and the café owner are no longer going to wear masks because they were thoroughly “bored of it all.” This has led to my theory that boredom is the magic, unforeseen, hidden elixir, slowly but surely seeping through the collective psyche, that is going to save us all from Covinsanity! Not marches, not flyers and stickers, not underground movements, or brilliant documentaries, but ordinary people stifling a yawn and turning off the TV and getting on with their lives again.
Agreed, but questioning the narrative with facts and figures, as here, gives an intellectual underpinning to resistance. We need to feel we’re right. We should also be grateful to all those who have resisted in other ways. If churches have resisted by meeting underground, they restore some heart and credibility to religion. We also owe respect to those protestors who have taken a bashing from the authorities. Having said all that, you’re right: people just quietly returning to normal will crack it, because, apart from anything else, there’s no way to police it without looking bad.
I hope that you’re right. Personally I think it will take more than that, and it will only be when the Rishi money runs out that we might see a change. I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of British people are like the Royle Family, happy to slouch in front of their tellies, passively consuming, never questioning.
April and May are going to be big months for us.
Possibly. I suspect furlough will simply be extended again. They’ve done it several times already. That said, I haven’t heard mention of another self-employed grant, which could be significant.
agreed – now that it is absolutely clear beyond doubt that we have been and continue to be lied to everyone everywhere every day must simply refuse to comply
Throughout the summer, the ONS survey never detected more than 0.5% (1 in 2000) positive cases from their samples.
In mid December over 1% of sample were positive, i,e, 20 times the rate during the summer. Mike Yeadon and Clare Craig claim these are all False Positives.
A Question: Why were there no (or very few) False Positives during the summer?
good question, no idea…
but are the people suffering from respiratory problems not about normal for the time of year? and in the same age groups as normal?
Possibly but that’s a separate issue. Banging on about False Positives is not helping. This war is being fought on too many fronts including anti-vaccination and others which are not relevant to lockdowns.
Lockdowns are not very effective once the virus is established in the country. That should be the focus.
I agree with your last point though we cannot ignore the vaccine as it is part of the narrative and if accepted will kick the can down the road until the next disaster, and given that the whole circus is based on test results, why wouldn’t you question accuracy?
But false positives are a fact. Did you not see the video a couple of months back of the guy taking the test out of the package, not doing the swab at all, just removing it from the packet it came in & putting it straight into the bag to be sent away for testing.
Guess what happened?….It came back positive!!!! He didn’t even do the fucking thing.
Also, the now infamous Coca Cola test…the Coca Cola also came back as positive!!!
So shut your hole Mayo you gobshite. Go back to mumsnet.
I do see where you are coming from. However, since positive test results are driving NHS staff absence and chaos in schools, it seems important to me that the way tests and their results are being used is crucial to any chance of this nation recovering some function.
I agree with your last point. But as I mentioned earlier the government response (infecting care homes and missed cancer) has accounted for most excess deaths this year. The only way ‘out’ for them is to keep ‘doing something’ until we are vaccinated and then claim they saved 500,000 people.
They need the false positives to give the data to justify the lockdowns. You get a different story from KCL Zoe covid tracker which is why it gets ignored by government and media
This lockdown is here to stay until enough people are vaccinated.It is very relevant.
But if the vaccine does not affect either the chance of being infected, or reduce transmission kinetics, two factors that the vaccine manufacturers do not claim I believe, then the vaccination programme can have no effect on the spread of cases.
So lockdowns can not logically be linked to vaccination rollout on the evidence of the vaccine suppiers .
You could of course argue that the vaccines may reduce infection and transmission, and if the tests had been carried out, this might have been demonstrated and your assertions would then be correct .
But the tests were not carried out. We don’t have the relevant evidence. Do we direct public health policy on the basis of speculation or experimental evidence?
I’m not advocating vaccination with a experimental potion for a not very dangerous virus.
The vaccine has nothing to do with public health.It will be tied to a passport and spells the end of freedom.They will then to be able to move onto the economic side of the plan.
Or maybe enough people get pissed off.
Been waiting hopefully for 9 months
So use viral cultures to verify the accuracy of the tests, PCR and LFT.
I’ve always felt a bit like the false-positive debate is pointless. The ‘My scientists are harder than your scientists’ thing is a cul de sac. For the most part, what we’re really talking about here is a deeper, philosophical issue about how we human beings want to live our lives. What type of society do we want to be part of? What tolerance to risk and uncertainty do we have? Those are all open questions, and I respect other people’s views on them. But the point is that the society we’re currently living in has had no debate on and around those questions. They’ve been answered, very rapidly, by an elite group of ‘experts’ at the top of society who think they know what’s best for everybody else. That isn’t the way democracies should, and in the past have, worked to settle deeper, philosophical questions. So I don’t really care about the false-positive issue, or indeed any of the statistical issues. What I care about is living in a democratic society where concepts like freedom and personal responsibility are in play, rather than cancelled by expertocracies.
Well said. I’m beginning to think that we may be powerless against this societal change. I’m not saying we should not fight it or try to change it – but that the majority of people are entirely in agreement with the state’s juju. It’s not like Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 or East Germany in 1989, when most people wanted change.
Yes I agree and think that there are almost no scenarios in which lockdowns can be justified
But it’s a hard argument to win when people are so fearful, so persuading them that the danger is much less than advertised is a first step to getting back to normal so people can think straight
Shhh! You’re killing people, Julian…
I care about the false positives because I care about data. But for me it’s always been – fundamentally – that lockdowns don’t work and that even if they did, this disease isn’t serious enough to warrant the harm that they cause
If lockdowns worked against something like the Black Death then of course I would do them. This is emphatically not the Black Death. Or even Spanish Flu (which I would not lock down for either).
Mayo
Are you able to put your statement about the inffectiveness of lockdowns on a
more quantitative basis. it’s not that I disagree with you, but the field of battle on which you are engaged is dominated by numerical models. These dazzle, or blind, the policy makers and the media, so to convert them you need some equations.
In the past you have made some definitive statements about R nos. if you can take the number of people known to be or have been affected by Sars cov2 and estimates of the no of contacts with and without lockdown , can you show that the R no is effectively independent of the no of contacts, ie, lockdowns are ineffective, when the density of the infected is above a critical concentration.
A sort of percolation theory problem .
If you think that metric invalidates the false positives issue, you haven’t been paying attention
Good point again. I think a lot about PCR cases though because without them it’s pretty difficult to demonstrate that there has been a pandemic of any respiratory illness since May. If this blew up, figuratively, then cherrypicking hospital figures would have to do a lot more lifting. One legged stool.
The problem with false positives isn’t that there’s too many of them per se…it’s that people don’t understand the implications of them: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28166019
I would highly recommend anyone reads this before assuming they can define the false positive problem.
It’s the season.
Turn it in Matt….or perhaps I should say Neil.
I am struggling to get from 0.5% to 1% by multiplying by 20…
It’s more like 10% positivity rate now, for England as a whole – I assume 1% was a typo.
It was actually 0.05% in the summer.
Source?
If you would like a considered answer, please show references for:
‘Throughout the summer, the ONS survey never detected more than 0.5% (1 in 2000) positive cases from their samples’
And
‘In mid December over 1% of sample were positive’
But this, from 26 December, is interesting, isn’t it:
‘Update on Kent lorry situation: 15,526 #Coronavirus tests now carried out. Just 36 positive results, which are being verified (0.23%).’ Grant Shapps
Shapps too thick to realise he was blowing the narrative on that one.
He doesn’t need to worry, most people are too thick to notice and the MSM isn’t likely to challenge him on it.
PHE estimated FP rate was 0.8-4.0% with a median of 2.8%
There was good evidence it was 0.5% in the Summer
It would be expected to rise as tests are increased, poorly trained new staff, double shifts, new premises, poorly followed procedure etc. Plus, FP mainly comes from contaminations. So as real infections rise, the FP rate will rise. This gives a double reason FP rises as both testing and real infection levels rose in the autumn
Given the ONS have failed to report the results of their survey for four out of the last five weeks your argument holds little water.
I hate weighing in on this kind of thing, so I don’t usually. But I think Mayo often makes good points. These things need to be discussed or it’s bad for the sceptic cause. I don’t believe that all the current positives are false, I just don’t see how that could be possible – although I do have concerns about PCR/cycle threshold and the state of the Lighthouse Labs, which will influence the FP rate. I’m perfectly willing to believe that we have had a seasonal increase in coronavirus infections. Why not? It’s a normal winter pattern. More important to me are questions about how many of those people are actually ill with symptoms, how many people admitted to hospital with a positive test have actually been admitted to be treated for covid symptoms, and whether or not lockdowns (particularly protracted lockdowns months after the disease first emerged) are a good way to deal with the problem (which if I remember rightly, Mayo believes not). Sceptics can have different shades and textures and we should welcome them all – it’s healthy discussion.
That’s a fair enough question, which I’ve often wondered about myself, without reaching any useful conclusions.
Don’t understand the downvotes. I for one don’t mind awkward questions being asked on this site.
Doubtless seasonality has a role – respiratory viruses increase markedly in the autumn and winter. As I understand it Drs Yeadon and Craig are not saying there is no covid around, but that it is endemic rather than running wild as the presented results imply. A seasonal rise is doubtless part of the explanation, without undermining the good Drs opinions.
But the premise of the question assumes on first reading comparing like with like. I very much doubt that is the case. There are so many variables in how the tests are conducted and interpreted, and in particular in how the data are presented, in my view it becomes an impossible question.
Being more succinct, we have every reason to believe that those presenting the evidence from these tests are utterly dishonest, and thus it become near impossible to infer anything whatsoever from the results.
Your point below about Scepticism being fought on too many fronts is an interesting one which hadn’t occurred to me before. For whatever reason our arguments aren’t gaining the traction they should, or at least quickly enough. It is useful to speculate why.
I think the ONS numbers are probably fairly accurate. But since false positives are caused by contamination you wouldn’t expect the specificity to be constant. It will go down as prevalence goes up. By how much? Nobody knows.
Your maths are incorrect. twice not twenty times
I have given this some thought. The rise in positives seems to correlate with a massive increase in testing. If quality fell as volume rose then that’s aligned with comments I’ve read on PCR and it makes sense.
Cross contamination at the sample site, (tent in car park), transportation, (who knows), lab, (following protocols with 100x volumes), can explain a leap in false results from the official-ish 1% to 6.5%, roughly accounting for all the positives today. Of course it would be perfectly easy to prove me wrong.
Choose a cahort of 1k positive testees and retest immediately without telling the labs. If PCR in the community is great, 99% of the positives will test positive on both. If sceptical experts are right, 90% plus get a positive-negative. Tim Rice has been pushing for this to be done. I wonder why the govt haven’t commissioned this cheap, quick and authoritative study?
The govt likely don’t want the inconvenient results of such a study
It’s still minuscule though isn’t it. PCR was designed to be used as a diagnostic tool with symptoms, not for mass screening. The fact that it can detect a single piece of broken RNA and we are diagnosing that as an active infection is probably the issue I suspect. Our world is teeming with trillions of viruses, more than our brains can comprehend. So the fact that bits of it might be hanging around ready to be discovered doesn’t surprise me. Perhaps as the ultimate leveller we ought to test the PCRs against lots of random viruses and we’d realise we’re all “cases” for dozens of illnesses we never had!
The positive/negative statistics are meaningless if we don’t know what amplification of the PCR cycles is being deployed. If the amplification is lowered, the number of positives is lowered. The Government and, as far as I am aware, none of the labs doing the testing have ever revealed what amplification they use and whether it has varied throughout the year and across different areas of the UK. My suspicion is that the labs simply obediently follow instructions from someone in authority on what amplification to use and this probably reflects whether ‘the narrative’ benefits from having more positives at certain times of year or in certain areas.
That would be Mike “epidemic largely over in October” Yeadon? How’s that prediction looking now?
It is the trends in the signal rather than absolute value that confirms growth or shrinkage of the epidemic. Also the UK PCR tests are for three genes not one. One of these may have a lower cycle threshold than other s (e.g., ORF vs. Nucleocapsid vs, spike), but they aren’t false positives with Ct values around 25.
It’s also noted that a rise in positive cases seems to correlate well with an increase in hospital admissions a week later. Patients are NOT admitted based on a test result – they come in with symptoms. A test is then conducted and covid assigned based on symptoms and positivity.
You mean 10% positive for December…
The jockeys only have to be muzzled in the UK when in the parade ring but in Ireland it is anywhere. Mercifully the presenters in the UK don’t have to be muzzled except in the parade ring -though muzzling seems to be universal among trainers, spectators etc. I really don’t see why this is necessary in the open air especially ground staff miles away from the stands .Listening to Matt Chapman when muzzled is irritating though I may be the only person who doesn’t mind him or Derek Thompson.
Everyone that tests ‘positive’ should have to answer the following questions and the data recorded, analysed and made public:
Possible answers.
A All the time B Most of the time C Where required D Rarely E Never
Genuine hospitalisations should also be asked the same and tested:
We then may have some useful data to work with.
The taboo of BMI will never be broken – more than half the electorate are overweight or obese.
Versus 4% in Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
Aka a total failure of public health policy. Most other European countries are less obese. I’m sure the taboo could be broken with some political will.
New York had many obese people too – surely a big factor in mortality outcomes
And a democrap mayor!
Well, they have had nine months to slim down.
Have they?
That’s my point – personal responsibility will never be allowed in the conversation around obesity because it will be unacceptable to too many voters. Not that it would have any impact in any case – people are well aware that their weight puts them at much greater risk of all sorts of other health problems and early death already but they still can’t change their behaviour.
How about, ‘Save the NHS, lose a stone!’
Hands, face, space! Self-control, mouth, stomach!
Stay alert. Control yourself. Shed pounds.
How about, Stop eating Junk food, you fat bastards.
Much better. You should send that to the Department of Health.
I can see it on those overhead motorway information screens now. STOP. FUCKING. EATING.
How about Lose the NHS and live longer, healthier and drug free!
This makes me so angry. All those fat fuckers banging on about people like me being selfish for not wearing a mask. Well how about about YOU being selfish for :
1) eating more than your fair share of food on the planet
2) putting yourself at risk of type 2 diabetes (10pct of the NHS budget) and expecting the taxpayer to bail you out with your free insulin and whatnot
3) putting yourself at risk of a whole host of other ailments that I am expected to pay for as well
4) using more fuel on a plane and expecting thin passengers to effectively subsidise you
etc etc etc the list is endless
I am quite fatist, it’s clear.
I am unapologetic about it.
completely agree. anyone’s who obese should only get one operation free at the point of use. if they come back later in life still dressed up like a beached whale and wheezing from having had to walk from the GPs waiting area into the doctor’s office, they should have to pay for it separately to whatever taxes they pay.
Fred, just like anorexics, serial dieters and chronic depressives should be deprived of hospital admission and treatment. Let’s say this, there is not an obesity problem in the UK. What there is is a propaganda problem. Being obese these days is being over a Size 12 for women. Being healthy is allegedly fitting into a size 0, a child’s size.
Shame on you.
Just one point here. Do you know that diabetes is a malfunction of the pancreas and nothing to do with anything else. Do you also know that underweight and super skinny people are more likely to develop diabetes than those who are normal, average or slightly overweight? No, they’ll never show you that data. They’ll never show you the data that shows that skinny people who do not eat properly take 6 to 10 times longer to recover from routine illnesses and operations than a person of normal or average weight.
You are a victim of serious propaganda by the food and weight Nazis. How dare you judge other people by your own pathetic standards. There is no such thing as unhealthy natural food. There is no standard weight, we are all built differently, but people who diet all the time and don’t eat properly are destined to start getting things like Osteoporosis, arthritis and other long term ailments from around the age of 50yrs. Good luck with that
The problem is this: farmers feed pigs on grains and skimmed milk to make them fat.
Dieticians feed people on grains and skimmed milk to make them thin.
Little wonder it doesn’t work.
In the days before high carb low fat diets there were very few fat people, and they knew that to lose weight you gave up starches and sugar. When my mother was young she recalled they still called dieting “Banting” the first time around. Guess what, it still works
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.1550-8528.1993.tb00605.x
Can I just say something here? I am heartily sick and tired of this ‘obesity’ shit. Just like the control we are under now, we have been subjected for many years now to this notion of ‘diets’, don’t eat this don’t eat that don’t drink that, don’t do this, don’t do that. It’s a never ending list. As my very wise father once said, if you believed any or all of it we wouldn’t be eating or doing anything. The diet industry and what I call the Food and Weight Nazis control people just as much as we are being controlled now. You see, the MSM and advertising again. Body shaming those who are not a size 8 or who don’t do lettuce leaves, salads, low carbs low fats etc. It’s brainwashing again on an industrial scale by the diet industry backed by the NHS. No-one every says anything about how dangerous to the body being underweight is, or not get enough of the 13 essential nutrients or that anorexia is actually vanity taken to the extreme (not a psychiatric disorder). There is plenty of research out there that shows the impact on the body (and yes, the human immune system) of these diets in particular, the low fat low carb diets. Long term liver and kidney damage, chronic dehydration, osteoporosis early onset, memory problems (your brain takes 40% of your cholesterol intake and 30% of your sugar intake) and many more serious health issues. Some years ago now I watched a programme on Channel 5 with Consultants specialising in osteopathy. They said that, due to this obsession with fitness, with the gym, with low carb and low fat diets and other diets they were now seeing people between the ages of 25-45yrs with the bone density of pensioners. Not a healthy old age then.
This diet and weight obsession is again, mass hysteria, propaganda and fear of being shamed. I have ignored it all over the years but am an extremely healthy, happy person, yes I’m roundy but I like it that way. I guess I’d be considered as ‘obese’ but I am not. Clinical obesity is debilitating and not necessarily due to diet and lifestyle. I will say this, I have perfect blood pressure, perfect blood sugar levels, incredibly strong bone structure (when I broke my arm in two places the Consultant said my bone density was so solid that I need not worry about arthiritis in the future and that my breaks were healing much faster than normal).
I cook all my own food, I do a lot of walking as a seasoned Rambler, I like good company, good wine and a varied lifestyle. I am active but enjoy rest and peace a lot too. I have never had a sweet tooth, never so, all my life I have never eaten sweets or cake or chocolate because they literally make me feel sick; my mother said I had been like that since the age of 5yrs. I am also seriously allergic to chocolate and cannot stand the smell. I don’t eat between meals, I dislike the taste of snacks such as crisps etc so I have a very healthy lifestyle. I am a healthy, roundy, plumpy, vlery happy 60+ year old. I love my life. Obsession with how much I weight or cutting out healthy food has never been a part of my life and boy, am I glad.
Huge amount of obese people in the UK, I dont have a problem with it, you get one life, some people want to eat or drink too much and enjoy their lives, and would be miserable living like me (slim and sporty). But I dont understand how they didnt have a big campaign on getting people to loose weight as we know covid seems to really like the obese, look at Boris. Lots of people I know who are obese and are terrified of Covid, just wear their magical mask of invinciblity and think they are now protected, and many have actually gained weight due to lockdown. I take Vit D, being a pale English person who gets no sun, and have done for years, I am amazed at how many dont bother. With all the madness of masks which we know dont work, obese people loosing weight would have made a massive difference in the death rate.
I was doing really well on a health regime before all this shit started. I am a comfort eater and tend to turn to food, like others use alcohol or drugs. I have now gained weight along with being the most depressed I can ever remember in my life. It is easy to be over judgemental of people with weight issues, however, I am not denying that obesity is an issue in this country. Just to clarify, if people have pictured a two ton tess unable to move!, I am not obese but over what I like to be. As an aside, funny how all the big boy junk food outlets are still going, and the small independents are on their knees.
No, there are not a huge number of obese people in the UK. Let me put it another way, if you have to cut out good, natural food such as bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, meat, milk and sugar out of your diet (all of which your body’s system needs to turn into energy etc) just to lose weight then it is obviously not your natural weight is it? Something wrong there I would say. However, obsessions are obsessions, propaganda is propaganda, the sheeples lap it up. They’ll do anything that is scandalised enough. Me? I am really really healthy, happy and yes, by your standards, probably overweight. Yet I never use my GP, have only been in hospital for my broken arm, never get colds, flu or other ailments and am medication free. By my standards, that’s healthy living.
Daily Mail: Kirstie Allsopp SLAMS celebs she ‘knows’ take cocaine for ‘banging on about Covidiots’.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9096229/Kirstie-Allsopp-SLAMS-celebs-knows-cocaine-banging-Covidiots.html
This dude is a real fucking hero. Just doing my job they say, well fuck them. This video will fuck you up and make you rage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWk9r24I4QA&feature=emb_logo
I agree. He is absolutely spot on in what he says & does.
He could be talking for me, some people who are getting a monthly paycheck just dont get it, unless you can run a restaurant at full capacity you dont have a business, and not every restaurant can make a mint off take aways.
The Telegraph: The priority list for the Pfizer vaccine – and how it will be rolled out.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/29/pfizer-vaccine-priority-list-who-first-covid-when/
Israel seems to have the fastest roll out in the world.5% of the population and 21% of all over 60 years old.
Also, Nigeria. Dark stuff.
Andrew Lawrence gives Frankie Boyle a thoroughly deserved mocking.
Voltaire’s Ghost skewers the mug and his neo-Marxist comrades:
https://youtu.be/qVDFBLVQPVs
just watched his triggernometry interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diiDuU7le4A
about how he got cancelled by the woke brigade and the BBC.. there are also videos of his stand up whcih i will watch tomorrow
I used to like Frankie Boyle what has gone on? Used to be a straight talker but has now been co-opted by the soft arse metropolitan liberal Blue Peter classes. Very disappointing.
Brexit. He got involved, drank the poison. He chose a team.
Very good! If you like genuinely ‘alternative’ comedy then check out the Comedy Unleashed channel on Youtube. All the comedians who can’t get on the BBC or who have been kicked off it are there!
Ivor Cummins, probably the coolest Irishman on the planet, breaks down PCR vs Rapid Antigen:
https://youtu.be/-u6fbHGWYuc
While I get why he is making the case for lateral flow, I still not happy that it still seems to advocate for mass testing on a regular basis. Moonshot. That kind of infrastructure goes up and it doesn’t come down I fear.
Agreed.
I agree.
As with all conflicts one party must allow another a way out. I agree that testing for a virus with such shakey evidence of its existence at a huge cost isn’t a sound course of action. However, given the state of the other sides attack/war on humanity it is right humanity gives a possible out from the savagery. That they won’t take it is another matter.
Anybody responsible in any way for an organisation that is so inept that the only way to stop it “crumbling” is to completely shut the whole country down for a year, should resign immediately. Now if you believe that narrative then it makes the NHS look absolutely pathetic and horrendously run (which it is) and they should be ashamed and embarrassed for their incompetence and be making sweeping procedural changes.
It also makes the government look useless (which they are) because in 9 months they’ve done nothing to get it ready for what they’ve been going on about since April (2nd,3rd,4th wave etc). So anybody involved from a government or PHE perspective should also resign because they haven’t done their jobs either.
That is what should happen if overwhelming the NHS was the actual reason for this continued bollocks.
So even the bs narrative can be torn apart in seconds.
As we know it’s nothing to do with that, which is why nothing will change with how the NHS is run and nobody will resign from the government, NHS or PHE.
Totally with you, except that resignation should NOT be their way out: it should be through the window or via police dungeons!
It’s as I’ve said before. Whether you are a zealot or a sceptic the government has shown itself to be equally incompetent.
i don’t think “incompetent” quite cuts it at this stage in the game, do you?
I do actually. I liked the article by that Journalist on the front page here about a Cockupspiracy. Incompetence is large on the equation but there can be no doubt there is also a conspiracy but not one that has yet truly become apparent. It will
i don’t think there can be much doubt that any initial mere incompetence has long since progressed into gross negligence and wilful deceit…
Good post. However, it is a lot to do with the incompetence of the NHS, a lot. There is a very good article in The London Economic (end of last week but still there) about just how many Tory MPs have significant financial interests in the privatisation of the NHS. You’ll be surprised. I don’t know how to post links but the article is still there.
hope springs eternal:-
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1343960716173320197
Thanks for this. The comments are reassuring. I think this could be good. The single issue high profile cases like Dolan were always going to be nobbled, but a myriad of small attacks at weaker parts of the establishment could well bring the giant crashing to the ground. A bit like Gulliver being pulled over by the Liliputians.
I really hope PCR claims can do something, I am looking at my 6th month of not being allowed to work, and not eligible for SEISS. I have got through it so far, but if it goes on well into 2021 I am very worried. Lots of people in good jobs with good incomes now left with nothing, I find it incredible that the government can tell you that you cant work and yet not pay you compensation.
a very good point:-
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1343685205656268800
Read the comments, in particular one from a sheep called Bunnybandit.
Fucking brainwashed twat that they are!
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/covid-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-give-19532926#comments-section
Was not brave enough to click on the link!
I saw an old gentleman today in M&S, wearing an eye mask over his lower face.
His wife wears something that looks like it is an adjusted oven mitt!
Was that some kind of mask protest!
This looks like a Zorro mask to me! That’s probably because I’ve just watched some episodes of Zorro (with Guy Williams) – one of my childhood favourites. That’s one of my escapes – nostalgia.
So she’s still concerned about the mutant strain which has now been officially disproved as being more contagious or dangerous. Everyone needs to message her on Twitter with links to the official report.
Permanent adjustments to daily lives? Someone needs to make a permanent adjustment to his life.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/21/who-warns-a-coronavirus-vaccine-alone-will-not-end-pandemic.html
Could it be written any more black and white (am I allowed to say that?). What will it take for people to see? Older article but truth remains.
I think far too many people do see, but like what they see. They have realised how selfish and dangerous the old ways were and will embrace the chance to give up any residual individual responsibility and look forward to the announcement that the secret to eternal life has been revealed to Chris Whitty.
Who wants to live forever, especially with lockdown restrictions?
If they do, then they deserve bread and circuses.
I suspect many people would rather think in those terms than confront their mortality or that of their relatives – and indeed the bread and circuses of the 21st century are serving them well.
I’m inclined to disagree. The point is precisely that there aren’t any bread and circuses, that’s what’s driving authorities to greater and greater extremes. When you can’t make people happy with food, wine, revelry and abundance you resort to fear. That is all that’s holding this together. War is also often just such a distraction, but the prospect of that is unimaginably destructive, so they seem to be settling for this.
So, that’s the big elephant in the room isn’t it. No point having the vaccine then as WHO also issued a Statement saying it didn’t confer immunity. Making it up as they go along. So, Lockdowns, masks, social distancing, sanitising cannot stop a respiratory virus (What? Can’t stop a virus? No shit sherlock! WHO would have thought? Ha Ha!) and the much heralded vaccine cannot confer immunity time to go back to normal I think since nothing else seems to be effective against this strain of the Flu.
I despair, Johnson, Sage banging on about more lockdowns and the covid fanatics in full agreement. Its a tragedy thinking of the people who are dying from other serious conditions, neglected by the Covid NHS
I find people are still obsessed with “cases”. I think in a normal year “cases” of viruses would be about where they are. I regularly use the Government’s data dashboard, ignore cases, and look at deaths and hospital admissions.
In my constituency, 4 people died of Covid-19 in the last week. The average daily hospital admissions is about 6-7.
I am a Tier 4.
I try to be up on the stats so I can respond to covid worriers. The only way we can change this is to recruit more lockdown sceptics
What keeps me going is a sort of stoical resignation – I have accepted that this situation is with us for the foreseeable future, and will quite possibly get worse – but this is mixed with a strong desire to resist it in any way I can and the desire to see justice done against those who have brought this situation about.
Justice, yes, I’m up and down regarding resignation, have to say
Actually, what has happened to me since Lockdown 2 is that, every time they driver the propaganda harder and harder and the restrictions harder and harder it hugely increases my instincts to fight fight fight. I’m up for the really ugly fight now. Next rally, I’m there. Prison be damned. I wavered between resignation but NO. I’ve reached a point now where for me, it’s a fight to the end. I’ll do my level best, with others too I hope, to bring this bunch of selfish, money-grabbing, power-grabbing, corrupt politicians and scientists, to push for not a Public Enquiry but a Nuremberg style trial where they can be prosecuted and imprisoned. So, might not win, but I don’t care. I can’t be bothered any more with veering between anxiety, hoplessness, despair and anger. Anger full throttle. Bring on the revolution. I might even try to influence one in my own small way. Hyde Park soap box here I come!!
F**k the corruption, the cronyism, the propaganda, hysteria etc. I’m not buying but my God, I’ll fight to the bitter end. I might even have to apply to China for assylum status!
Well done. I should point out by ‘resignation’ that I do not mean passive acceptance, rolling over and giving up. It’s more to do with the Serenity Prayer – striving for the wisdom to accept what cannot be changed but courage to change what can be changed.
An interesting paper on the severity of particular variants. For me, it’s just another indication of how trying to compare the response of nations is just pissing in the wind. We don’t even know if we are dealing with the same thing.
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)31757-8/fulltext
Hi, I’m not staying, so the conspiracy minded can put down their hatchets. I’m not here to pick a fight. I know I’m wasting my time with you.
This is a question that might benefit some people here.
I’ve just been to the shops in a foul mood. I have been enraged by the latest dosage of fear porn from the BBC and the Sun. Still, no doubt the sheep can’t get enough of their daily dose of shite being rammed down their throats.
I think the walk probably did me some good. But how do people here cope with this? Somehow, if you’re reading this then you’ve managed to get through the past nine months. How do you do it? How do you cope?
Do you go for a walk like I do to relax a bit? Maybe you paint or draw? Is music something to relax you and de-stress you?
I personally don’t always cope well with it. And I still resent and oppose the pointless new login policy for the reasons I outlined yesterday. (I think I’ve as much chance of having that pointless mandate rescinded as having Johnson’s mask mandate rescinded. I guess you know how the fat controller feels now eh Toby?)
Again, this will be my only post today and I’m not going to read the replies. But the replies might help some here who are struggling.
No idea. Sometimes I want to talk about it and sometimes I don’t. Obviously the first thing you do is stop watching or reading the news and then for me it’s pretty much distraction. Music, films, etc. It’s not healthy but I’m going to bed much later so I drop off quickly. When you let your mind start turning over in the dark watches of the night you just get worked up. Unlike some, I do think things will get better at some point so I’m trying to ride it out as best I can.
That’s quite a change in tone – well done. It’s good to hear from you. “ I’m not going to read the replies” – of course you are, don’t tease. “How do you cope?” – we all do it in different ways. For me, music is a big boost but the biggest motivator is getting out into the fresh air. It’s been blowing and raining for three straight days where I live – today there was a break and I shovelled horse shit out of the trailer with my wife for next year’s veg growing. That’s a real worthwhile thing to stay positive about. Everything real is outside in nature – the nightmare only comes through this screen. All the best.
“…getting out into the fresh air”
One of the local news channels here in North Wales had a reporter out today challenging people who had dared to disobey Drakeford’s instructions to stay home unless an emergency. These free spirited individuals had been audacious enough to venture out to Snowdonia (or somewhere in that vicinity). I was impressed with all the responses along the lines of “fresh air being good for you, and nobody was failing to social distance…so what’s your problem?” But there was one particularly impressive chap who said sharply to the reporter something along the lines of “So what do you suggest we do instead? You seem to be keen for all of us to remain locked up in our own homes for the rest of our lives. That’s what is going to happen. Is that really what you want?” The channel broadcast his reaction no doubt assuming people would regard him as irresponsible and a conspiracy theorist; and no doubt many will. But I had nothing but admiration for him.
Excellent responses. They might have asked the reporter what he was doing out in the fresh air in defiance of the rules. Of course we know why, the rules don’t apply to anyone in government or MSM.
‘The nightmare comes only through this screen’. Amen to that!
It’s been pointed out that if we didn’t listen to the media we wouldn’t know there was anything unusual going on.
Strangely the only times I have been able to truly let my mind rest since March is when I have been physically unwell to the point of the pain being so acute that it completely dislodges all other thoughts.
More of an observation than a recommendation obviously.
Wank five times a day. Six at weekends.
I did that in the beginning of the lockdown, my eyesight has now deteriorated… I have wondered if this is because I did too much wanking, or is it a new symptom of the new strain of the virus?….
Have you developed hairs on the back of your palm? If so you need an immediate Covid test.
If only, at my age that would certainly be a record….
I only go to the supermarket once a week.
There is somebody i meet for a few hours every couple of weeks.
Apart from that and meal deliveries I never meet anyone at all. I do go for walks but only in the country whre I usually meet nobody.
Fortunately, I can do all my work at home.
I haven’t been into a town for months – and I don’t want to.
Haven’t a haircut in ten months.
I think about our captivity all the time.
JP it seems to me you have a messiah complex, dropping in to benefit us all without partaking yourself.
I never go into a supermarket. I do click and collect.It’s a life-saver. For the rest, I shop in places where I know the assistant/owner isn’t a zombie, and only wears face knickers because it’s that or no job/shutdown.
I buy loads of stuff online. OKZ, Amazon doesn’t pay tax. But it doesn’t treat me like dirt, either. And in Gulag Wales, it’s the only way to buy non-essentials such as books. Dungford is Amazon’s best friend ever.
I sing Matins all alone on a clifftop instead of going to ‘church’ among the horrible knickered zombie Covid worshippers.
I stay out of town centres as much as possible.
I rip down Covvie notices, or stick subversive stickers over them.
I keep busy. I ride. I geologise. I practise the piano. I walk the dog. I study Greek.
I glory in the fact that there are other sane people about.
I pray.
Great post, Annie. Here’s a verse for you: Ps.108:13.
‘ I sing matins on a cliff top … ‘ brought more than one tear to my eye. Actually one has just smudged the keyboard. Blessed are you.
I am incredibly impressed that you sing matins on your own. Do you do the whole lot, psalms and everything? Do you use the same setting every time? I am a (now ex-) chorister and church-goer; all I do now is listen to Choral Evensong on Radio Three.
I try to be thankful that we are retired and can avoid most of the nonsense on a day-to-day basis. I’m thankful we left the city and are now living permanently in the country; we have enough land that we don’t see other people and can hike or snowshoe on our own property. Being outdoors and getting fresh air and exercise really helps keep me sane. I’m thankful my family and some of my friends aren’t crazy and will visit and behave perfectly normally. I read a lot and come here every day to remind myself there are other sane people. And I’ve been making music with my family — hubby has become a Garage Band master, plays the guitar and bass, and my daughter (when she’s visiting) and I sing. My brother is coming to lay down some drum tracks on an epic cover we’re doing and a few other covers. Friends and family appear to look forward to our “new releases” so it’s a great way to spend time, have fun, and forget about this shit show for a while. I’m thankful my dog makes me laugh every day. Advice? I can only say escape it to the extent your circumstances allow, take care of your health as it’s the one thing the bastards don’t control, get outside, socialize when and with whom you can, break the rules as often as you are able, and never stop fighting.
I’ve made sure that the bird table outside the kitchen window has been kept well stocked. I can sit at the kitchen table for hours watching the Blue, Coal and Great Tits pecking at the fat balls. The little gangs of Long Tailed Tits are a delight. The Starlings and Robins do their best to hang on to the feeders, but they’re not the most dextrous. The Blackbirds, finches and Dunnock hoover up what has dropped to the floor. The Gold Finches seem to prefer the lavender dead heads and the overwintering Red Wings are happiest gobbling down the holly berries.
Whilst being a joy to watch, I’m reminded that our fauna doesn’t care about viruses or media or money or power or control. Only living the miracle of life that all us animals are blessed with matters. It gives me the resolve I need to continue to fight for those I love.
I have used the time to give my workshop a damn good clean. I have cleaned and painted the floor. I have replaced the shit striplights with superb led replacements. I have gone for walks and fed the goats that live in the grounds of the nearby hotel. They now come running when I call them. I have got pissed in the churchyard occasionally with a couple of friends. I have disobeyed the rules and gone round to friends houses. They have come round to our house and we have all consumed beers. I have done my casual hours van driving job in between. Best of all I built a lovely looking “Cafe Racer” style motorcycle from an abandoned Suzuki GN125 that I saw in a friends garden in lockdown 1. Reviewing this post I see that interests are important. They fill a lot of time and take ones mind off shit. More important are friends. They are mostly what facilitated my continuing sanity. From your antagonistic, aggressive previous posts here, I can only assume that you are not similarly blessed. If that is the case then, that is a shame. You seem to be broadly on a similar page as the rest of us here. You stated that you wouldn
t read the replies but that is plainly bollox. I would. Should that be the case then I wish you all the best and I hope that you can indulge your interests and/or get some friends. Dont be a victim of all this shite.I just booked a pub lunch for 6 for Sunday, I had to pay a deposit to hold the table, that’s a new one on me! What are the chances of there being a full lockdown by then?
I then did the maths. At an R of 3, accepting yesterday’s infections of 50,000 we’ll be at 38m by Sunday, surely enough for herd immunity & they can reopen all the pubs.
I think I am losing it with the way the media is driving it to the limit today. Posted this on another forum I use where there seem the usual crowd of lockdown zealots – and one from the NHS seemingly confirming them overwhelmed:
Sorry I totally disagree. The media now seem to be in full flow panic fear mode and the whole population has been so brain washed that they will believe anything they are told. The vast majority of the test results announced today were from samples taken over a week ago, there is obviously a huge backlog. During that time the virus has probably grown by itself in the vial (admit that is speculation) and the vast majority waiting for their results have got over the virus. Boris’s flagship lighthouse labs are a mess but they won’t admit it.
Whatever the situation you do NOT stop it by ever more draconian measures, changing every few days, some of them like closing pubs after 10pm on the edge of bizarre. I have now totally lost my tether. As you know I was self employed, now retired so don’t have financial issues. but there are now thousands and thousands self employed and other small businesses who have been forced to close who will probably never start trading again. Those people are also at the end of their tether, I know quite a few who have taken their lives. Our whole way of life has been totally destroyed with no hope of any exit in the foreseeable future. I would have normally hoped to have enjoyed the remaining 20 or so years left to me doing the things I love. That has gone, I am just left to cry my heart out by myself (and believe me I do just that).
I know I feel exactly the same as many on here.
Its true the msm seem to be in overdrive propaganda mode now. People who want the covid lie, pushed seem to think we are not being compliant enough so maybe that’s why. I disagree that the majority are soaking it up
It’s the same old pattern.The media build up before more draconian restrictions are announced.The degree of coordination would put North Korea to shame and yet people on here still cling to the incompetence theory.
co-ordination – now there’s a talking point. has there been any kind of co-ordination between the govt actions here and recent/current (non-covid specific) events in the usa?
I think we now know who runs this country don’t we? Murdoch did say he could make or break governments. Like Johnson, Wancock, WItless, Unbalanced, Ferguson and the rest of the cabal, they are drunk with power now. Look at Wancock, he loves every second of it. They are shameless liars and conmen. Just as the MSM are now the Government’s propaganda machine. I think people are beginning to wake up though. I am deeply cynical about all these people who are Lockdown Zealots making comments. We must never forget that any other alternative opinion is being severely censored. Thus, will never make it through to the actual comments page. We must not forget this. It is manufactured consent just as the MSM in full propaganda mode today is manufactured hysteria.
It occasionally occurs to me that if things really are so dire then politicians and the media will feel compelled to keep playing it up because if they don’t they are going to be out of a job and probably a lot worse than that.
They’ve fundamentally boxed themselves into a corner with nowhere to go.
Been out for two long walks today with two separate families. Lots of others out and about as well. Almost normal apart from the odd in your face nap.
Listen to Hour 1 of Alex Jones today. Federal stats on the hospitals shown to be fake. In the first five minutes is an excerpt from a George Carlin skit on germs.
http://rss.gcnlive.com/alexJones/?p=home#google_vignette
The USA seems to be following a familiar pattern: medics performing Tik Tok dance routines while media claim hospitals are overflowing with Covid cases, Governors and health officials hypocritically failing to follow the rules they impose on the public, no real difference in the progress of the virus between states that lockdown and states that don’t, no or oittle increasd in excess deaths and, yes, flu has virtually disappeared.
that is all much more terrifying than any flu-like illness
WTF is going on?
i wonder if this has anything to do with it?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/china-and-eu-poised-to-sign-long-delayed-investment-deal
You shameless credulist. For that you will be awarded a £5m Covid contract.
The Independent: England’s top medic Chris Whitty treated Covid patients over Christmas weekend.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-chris-whitty-london-uclh-christmas-b1780017.html
Inability to delegate usually prevents upward progression in a successful organisation…..
Or maybe he just needed the money..
I bet his wife breathed a sigh of relief when she saw his rota.
Think he’s single. So probably needed the company of being in the hospital – presuming he’d finished Netflix already.
… er… “I bet his family breathed a sigh of relief when they saw his rota.” (Just laugh and vote it up, you bastard. Can’t you see I’m desperate.)
Sorry Fred! Uptick applied. I’m afraid I went off into a dream/nightmare scenario imagining what his home might look like (everything grey, I think) and what he might do if he’s not working (probably does whatever it is while wearing a hair shirt).
“The plan we are outlining is for Family Member #2 to do the washing up, whilst Family Member #3 puts the freshly cleaned dishes back into the cupboard… next slide, please. As you can see, it’s estimated that this task will take 5.5 minutes to complete. Next slide, please.”
Thank you. That did make me laugh!
Lol
“Yes this one’s definitely a Covid!”
“But I only came in with a twisted ankle! ”
“So if I ask you “Have you not got Covid? ” what’s your answer? ”
“Yes, I …”
[Whitty cuts off patient in mid sentence] “You heard that nurse, he said yes, another positive..make a note.”
“How old are you, young man? Seven and a half. My my. Well, you’ll probably be dead soon, won’t you? No, not from that. That’s just a scratch. The Nurse will patch that up for you – she’ll be here in a minute. No, I mean from COVID. Yes, it’s almost certain you won’t see out 2021, young man. Particularly if you’re sent back to school. Will it hurt? Oh yes. It’ll hurt an awful lot. Here, have a tissue. It’s okay. Use the time you’ve got left to say goodbye to your loved ones. Next!”
Covidthon Man
‘Next patient please’.
‘Hello Professor’.
‘Is it safe?’
‘Is what safe?’
‘Is it safe?’
‘I don’t know what you’re talking about. How can I say it’s safe if I don’t know what it is?’
(Picks up scalpel) ‘Is it safe?’
‘Oh, it’s very, very safe.’
Like the vet from the League of Gentlemen.
Field research to further falsify the stats I think!
If Whitty had managed to work over Christmas, without it making it into the press, I wouldn’t call him a cunt.
and he’s clearly a cunt
I knew Whitty was dodgy when Radio Four started going on about how wonderful he is.
Mirror Online: Inside a dismantled Nightingale hospital NHS England insist it is still ‘on standby’.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-dismantled-nightingale-hospital-nhs-23236124
I’ve just been on the government ONS website for England and Wales deaths and from End of May (week 22) to Mid December (week 50) the figures are as follows:
2020: 292,735
2019: 281,438
2018: 273,290
2017: 279,293
It has been a completely normal year for mortality since the end of May even with shutting down the NHS. I have type 1 diabetes and the service has been shocking – no blood test all year – my Hba1c is likely to be through the roof.
“Pressure grows for school closures.”
From who?
Media delenda est.
Classic MSM propaganda calling cards: “Pressure grows….” “Outrage at….” “Experts call for….” etc.
In other words, probably a handful of people in toxic MSM circles think that this is what everyone else should be thinking. How do so many of us fall for it time and time again?
They always go for the emotive language which trigger fear and anger. Can’t believe the population don’t ever figure out how they are played for fools again and again.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if news agencies told us what was going on in the country and the world, rather than how we should feel, and what we should think?
I did a research project once where I had to dig out old newspapers from the early 20th century. It was incredible how forensic the reporting was. Policians speeches quoted in full, with analysis, reported crimes with all known facts, some analysis and opinion- but mostly fact. Maybe reporting is a lost art.
So,so true!
I get a similar feeling when I read older books – they assume a level of general knowledge and familiarity with languages (e.g. Latin and French) that certainly wasn’t provided by my comprehensive education. I feel like I’m trying to catch up before it’s too late to absorb any new knowledge.
Then again, we’re in good company. As Socrates is supposed to have said: ‘The more I learn, the more I realise I know nothing’
You missed their favourite one. “Fears grow that…” etcetera. You usually don’t get told whose “fears” they are, but you can always tell that the article within is going to be utter bullshit aimed at producing an unpleasant public response – panic buying lettuce, toilet roll etc. There can be no justification for the BBC in particular to be doing this shit, as it does not matter to the BBC about viewing figures, clicks or newspaper sales. If Ofcom/government were doing their job they would be clamping down on this kind of psychological manipulation.
Teachers and yummy mummies/daddies on SM?
evacuation
Did the behavioural scientists, in their onanistic frenzy, mistake “the boy who cried wolf” for a template?
Does anyone else on this forum just feel a deep, dark sense of gloom. I’ve gone from anger, disbelief, calm resignation to now feeling this will never , ever end. Too many of the population and the media just don’t want it to. I feel I’ll have to leave the UK.
And go where? The COVID show is everywhere.
Good point George Mc . I wonder what nations on the planet are reacting proportionally
Are we going early here, on an exiting the UK campaign? We’ve only just left the EU, of course; but I’m with you.
Tanzania. Most of Africa in fact.
And most of Latin America.
Chile, Peru and Argentina have been particularly bad, would stay well clear of them.
Argentina have had the harshest snuffing out of freedom by lockdown. House arrest since day one. Masks outside house. Etc.
Really sorrowful as Argentinians are full of fun and life despite having inflation through the roof that hancock boris and cabal dream of.
Cheers Colin. When Sweden was holding its nerve I looked long and hard at moving to Stockholm
I would love to escape but have come to the conclusion that I might as well make a stand on home ground. There are probably a few countries under the New World Order / media radar that get away without enforcing restrictions even if they are officially in place.
Hi Darryl. That was my thinking. Some second or third world place where frankly the Cov sniffle is the least of their worries. Maybe I ought to stay and fight but the overwhelming audience are loving this….
China, Japan and South Korea don’t have all this crap!
Gary please don’t despair. Of course it will end just how is what is not known. I’ve been at the petrol station today and I can say one thing, 99% of the customers who came in (a large percentage of who were believers) are teetering on the brink of serious anger, incredulity and starting to froth at the mouth because Wancock is likely to put the whole of the country into Tier 4 tomorrow based on falsified data, ridiculous NHS claims and just sheer weight of their total compliance with all the Regs and nothing has changed. The latter is what most people were ranting about. I fuelled it a bit by saying that it seemed to me that everyone had done just what was required of them and still got blamed for it all yet here we were allegedly in a situation which was ‘out of control’ when the data said the opposite. The only truck driver that came in today was truly incandescent with rage. Good thing he knows us all here!! I am unable to repeat what he would do to a piece of Wancock’s anatomy!
Wancock will appear on TV again tomorrow and announce, with massive delight, glee and pleasure (he’s probably got a huge boner at just the thought of all this power) that all the Country will be placed in Tier 4 restrictions because, if people had seen the data they had no choice but to make this decision. Oh and BTW, it’s all you, the public’s fault.
Keep faith Gary. A young colleague told me today that he had been listening to the radio this morning and there were some people interviewed who said there was now a necessity for a public inquiry. I said that’s too mild. It should be a Nuremberg style legal process.
Hi Jo. I truly hope and prayer you’re right. The idea of another year of this madness and frankly sadness fills me with dread .
With the ‘normies’ I’m pretty blunt now and say that this is going to last forever, because it’s about the only thing that will wake them up. With sceptics I am a bit softer, and say that we don’t know the future. The ‘old normal’ is gone for good but that’s not to say we won’t get something fairly similar back, it’s just not sure when. We are in a proxy world war now, and world wars have been measured in years. Not months, but not decades either.
I’ve moved to this tack now, it at least gets raised eyebrows. When a majority accepts the permanence though, that’s the end. Two acquaintances told me yesterday what they’ve enjoyed about lockdown, their Xmas day testing centre outing and their worries about false negative results. Where do I start from there? Slowly banging my head on the desk.
Doom is the right feeling though. Realise there is truth in how you feel, don’t make the mistake of trying to just end it. You know where this is headed if we don’t stop it. So, the question is not those feelings, but how you act on them. Read Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations. He’ll set you right.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”
Cheers Bepop. Will take a look. Anything for some positive inspiration
I second that. Marcus Aurelius’ meditations on mortality are very good.
Here is a fine short introductory lecture on Marcus Aurelius:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auuk1y4DRgk
If that doesn’t whet your appetite, nothing will.
Yes, always listen to your instincts.
I too am considering emigration from Europe.
Pretty soon we might need a vaccine to fly though.
My thoughts too rockoman. Africa??
its going to get a lot worse before it gets better, thats the nature of things, drive on….
Sartre wrote ‘life begins on the far side of despair’. Meaning, that we only begin to live when we have been stripped of all our illusions and look things squarely in the face. Since October, it has been clear to me that governments around the world have been acting like hostile enemy powers in their own countries. The main thing that stops me going loopy is knowing that at least, in some small way, I can still fight back.
Alison Pearson debunking the ‘hospitals full’ myth on Twitter using the NHS’s own data. Beautiful.
Great! Now she needs tl get together with Hitchens and Sumption and lead a huge March of Liberty across central London.
That’s precisely the problem,none of these people will do such a thing,at the end of the day they are worried about losing their incomes.Most of them have been saying the right things for months now but it makes pretty much zero difference.
She would lose her job for sure. Kay Burley was let out to pasture for 6 months for having a birthday party.
for the cause – these peeps are best placed in their jobs
Sadly don’t think any of them would want to be associated with an anti lockdown march. Hitchens was quite dismissive of previous protests – shame as he would have added some credibility to the movement in the summer and we might not be in this position again now. It would be good if some media figures actually saw police brutality on the ground.
He’s happier imagining he’s CS Lewis holding forth in some Oxford hostelry I guess. Shame. He would be a good figurehead I think.
Let’s keep real. The Iraq March 20 years ago was massive – far more than I would expect now for Johnson’s shit-show.
… and yet it altered nothing.
Sorry to sound pessimistic, but, before anything, you’ve got to have the bodies.
This is going to be a long, hard grind.
Entirely different context. The massive anti Iraq War marches were the usual suspects: students, Labour activists and supporters, trade unionists, SWP and (a very large contingent) Islamic organsiations.
Any march against lockdowns would be from a much broader spectrum and would include a huge proportion of people who have voted Conservative in recent years. It would be a highly significant event and one a Tory government coukd not blithely ignore.
Yes – remember the Poll Tax riots people, it can be done.
The poll tax was genuinely unpopular. I remember telling a Conservative supporter at the time that it was Thatcher’s worst political move of all time and would destroy her government. It did.
Of course this is a much more complex situation we are in now. For me, the fight against lockdowns is just one theatre of war in a much bigger conflict between CCP-Globalism and populism.
Your political prejudices delude and blind you.
The support was significant in its broad base, even if Tories dipped out more than others as they waved their willies in support of Blair and imperial delusion. But there were some. And certainly a lot from the generally non-sectarian middle of the political spectrum, well away from the ‘usual suspects’..
That’s why it was so big.
… and which is my point. At present there is no such coalition of opposition – as the moaning about the ‘sheeple’ here testifies.
I know that was the Guardian propaganda of the time. Polls revealed there was strong support for Blair and the war at the time of the demos and he secured another large majority at the election in 2005. It reminds me of the baloney about “ordinary housewives” starting the Greenham Common protest. Ordinary housewives lol.
But that’s the problem. We’re in ‘glass half full/empty’ situation. The statistics and data can, and are, being twisted to mean whatever the government wants them to mean, and hardly anybody notices nor cares. It’s been done before – a medical writer called Dr Lauren Colby showed in the 90s that, using the same statistics that were being used to ban smoking in public places, the government ought also to ban drinking milk and keeping pet birds because these had the same risk level for lung cancer.
And that is precisely where my scepticism and mistrust of government was born. Then I discovered Devils Kitchen and Old Holborn swearyblogs. P.S. I am smoking a fag now.
There’s been a normal number of deaths since May – even with shutting the NHS
England and Wales deaths – end of May to Mid December
week 22 to week 50 Variance to average
2020 292,735 3.9%
2019 281,438 -0.1%
2018 273,290 -3.0%
2017 279,293 -0.9%
Average 281,689
Mark – I think you need to look at your ‘average’.
If you’ve used the common 5-year period, you will be overstating the variance of 2020, since the preceding years are atypically low in mortality.
In a longer timespan, the Week 22-50 figures come out below average.
In a more historical context, 2020 is pretty insignificant in term of mortality for the latter part of the year, and the 2019-2020 season, including the April spike, is only 8th in a quarter of a century.
In tier 5000 down here on the south coast, what with one man and his dog in hospital with Covid.
Been lovely being at home for Xmas after the relentless insanity of masks and lockdowns. Just to forget and not have to fight this nonsense every single minute of the day.
But today I had to surface again at the supermarket and it was all there waiting for me. The signs. The markers. The muzzles.
Ultimately they want everyone to stay at home and watch programmes from PC I.e. pre-covid. We will all end up living in a Philip K Dick world where the outside is unknown and we exist in a delusional reality.
“Today we live in a society in which spurious realities are manufactured by the media, by governments, by big corporations, by religious groups, political groups… So I ask, in my writing, What is real? Because unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudo-realities manufactured by very sophisticated people using very sophisticated electronic mechanisms. I do not distrust their motives; I distrust their power. They have a lot of it. And it is an astonishing power: that of creating whole universes, universes of the mind. I ought to know. I do the same thing.”
― Philip K. Dick
Just finished season 3 of Westworld, and I have a sneaking suspicion we’re already most of the way there
Mr Dick must have smoked some strong stuff. I remember one novel (forget the name) where colonists (on Mars I think) are in such bad conditions that they spend all their time stoned on some sort of hallucinogenic drug while they play with Barbie doll houses which they think are real. Not much different to being drugged up on booze and junk food while watching Netflix, I suppose.
Wi-fi is the opium of the masses. And yes, I am just as addicted to the internet as everyone else.
That was The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch. Like Frank Zappa, PKD never came up with a bad title.
Nurse tests positive 8 days after getting Pfzier Vaccine
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/er-nurse-tests-positive-for-covid-19-eight-days-after-receiving-vaccine
Meaningless on both sides of the vaccination arguments. PCR renders it all smoke and mirrors.
Great news for AstraZeneca. The more bad news stories I hear about the Pfizer vaccine, the more I am reminded of the fact that their CEO dumped stocks on the day they announced their vaccine was 90% effective (which was circulated worldwide by MSM).
https://www.salon.com/2020/11/13/watchdog-group-calls-for-sec-probe-pfizer-ceo-dumped-56m-in-stock-on-day-of-vaccine-news/
The person quoted says something about it showing why masks and other measures are important. The guy works in an ER department so if he caught it at work, which seems likely, how did his mask help?
The quotes also completely miss the point that even Pfizer stated they don’t know if the vaccine will provide any immunity.
Something else to celebrate at Midnight on New Years Eve is that the death counter will be 000000.
been digging into a few hospitals at crisis point. The Queen Elizabeth in Woolwich declared an emergency yet it’s NHS trust said 20 people were admitted and 209 in hospital. QE has a 500 bed capacity. Turns out there’s a shortage of oxygen. Something several other hospitals have reported.
If there is really a shortage of oxygen at this late juncture that has surely got to be a resigning/dismissal matter for someone: head of the ICU, CEO of the hospital, head of the Trust, head of the NHS or Hancock himself.
Date for your diary – 31 January 2021
Come back here and see if this was true:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/tier-5-england-faces-possible-new-covid-restrictions-source-says
However, an analysis of the spread of the new, highly transmissible coronavirus variant by experts at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, released this month, warned that even if the whole of England were placed under tier 4 restrictions on Boxing Day until the end of January, the R value would not fall below 1.
The R number is calculated and estimated. It is an entirely notional figure. They can calculate it over 1 if they feel so inclined. So this would be a pointless exercise.
Agreed. It’s more GI>GO – totally dependent on dodgy data.
There are some really crap scientists in this modelling business, who don’t seem to have read the basic introductory chapters on how to handle data before you go anywhere near a computer model.
But they manage to promote the narrative all the time.
I developed a healthy distrust of modelling when I had an interest in cosmology. Slowly it dawns in you that if there are 100 competing (cosmological) models, all claiming to be derived from mathematics applied to real world data then at least 99% of them are wrong, and if 99% are definitely wrong, the likelihood of the last 1% being right is pretty slim as well!
Agreed, and cosmology is relatively simple to model compared to modelling a system full of matter, energy and intelligence (allegedly). The arrogance of thinking you can model a pandemic with fine granularity models is stunning. Chaotic effects quickly make them junk. You can use simpler models that use previously observed patterns to predict an outcome, but you cannot possibly model a complex system like a virus in a population, especially when you don’t have scientific data to input sensible parameters. For me, Whitty’s infamous 4000 deaths a day graph perfectly demonstrated the futility of this modeling when it was clear that each of the proposed models were outputting results where their confidence intervals didn’t overlap with each other. If confidence intervals don’t overlap it means that at least some of the models are certainly wrong.
Mostly agree but when you get into cosmological models with 11 dimensions I don’t think they are “relatively simple” – they just become playpens for mathematicians!
KCL Zoe app implies R could be below 1 in several days time. It shows R has fallen from about 1.5 to 1.2 in the last week
here
if they are looking at this data then they will have to clamp down hard very soon to try and take the credit
Will they give it any consideration when they have the positive test figures of the last few days to deploy?
the positive test figures are for Joe Public. I’m sure they look at this data to decide when to lock down. Sage was screaming for a lockdown 2 weeks before we did because they wanted to get ahead of the peak they knew was coming (peak 2)
I somehow think new ‘highly transmissable variants’ are always going to be arriving on the scene just as people seem to be getting a bit less scared of the old variants.
EVIDENCE OF UK GOVERNMENT PROPERTY AND LAND GRAB
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VErboJxgGKr9/?fbclid=IwAR02gjmI52CoscBzVa62WnaILbrGEiVz8wcuQ4NpBUcdJEtHNv4jcz2zg8w
Apparently authentic correspondence from government shown in video
That’s incredibly interesting. Thanks for sharing.
“Stringency of the measures settled to fight pandemia, including lockdown, did not appear to be linked with death rate.”
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full
Lockdowns have nothing to do with a virus.
Apologies if someone has already suggested something similar, but I was thinking – wouldn’t it be a good idea to promote businesses that are defying the restrictions and staying open (perhaps in the newsletter) so that we can support them? If we could raise money for any brave folk as we did for the Liverpudlian gym blokes it would not only raise morale amongst us lot but show them that we’re behind them all the way.
Good idea. I wrote letters of support offering financial assistance (politely refused) to the Liverpool gym and a couple of other shops that defied the lockdowns. It would be nice if we could list them here, if only for people to give a quick message of support on Facebook etc.
We don’t want this to become a one stop shop for the Environmental Health / police.
I could name a number of shops that are bare-face friendly, for example, but they might not thank me for the publicity!
That’s true – perhaps not those that are more lenient and have a lot to lose, but definitely businesses owners with nothing left to lose and who are directly challenging the system wouldn’t mind such publicity IMO.
Yes, those businesses that are out and proud could certainly benefit from publicity and our support.
We just need to avoid outing those who are trying to do the right thing from inside the closet. We need to make sure we have asked the question Bojo didn’t: is our help, in such and such a particular case, actually helpful?
I would definitely chip in.
like this from the usa?
https://www.barstoolsports.com/the-barstool-fund
Bobby speaks out
https://www.onelittlewarrior.life/post/a-constable-speaks-the-police-are-hypocrites-acting-unlawfully?fbclid=IwAR0hCBGGvEOQKEyB6AF5vKz-ZEb_6RbweKZaLL69e8mqp_BP7f_QXSP3eiA
that’s great – let’s hope it gains some traction. one down, 125,999 to go…
Good on Bobby. I think that’s is very brave of him and the right thing to do.
It’s a start but this is the first UK police officer to speak out (anonymously) after they have been imposing a 9 month intimidation / terror campaign against the UK public for doing things such as visiting relatives, sunbathing, attending peaceful protests…. just goes to show how the UK police military force see the public as the enemy.
and vice versa….
so does yankee doodle dandy bobby:-
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dont-be-sheep-washington-sheriff-voices-support-restaurant-facing-shutdown-100k-fine
Israel, a nasty little country:
From The Telegraph (paywall):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/worlds-fastest-covid-inoculation-drive-israel-vaccinates-five/
The Israeli system also has incentives beyond the inoculation itself. It is set to become the first country to start issuing a “green passport” to residents who have received the full two-dose vaccine – effectively a passport out of lockdown.
Director-General of the Ministry of Health, Chezy Levy, told Channel 12 News that the passport will be automatically issued by the ministry two weeks after the second required dose of the vaccine has been delivered.
The certificate will allow residents to travel abroad without a PCR test, exempt them from some mandatory quarantines and offer access to cultural events and restaurants when the current national lockdown has been lifted.
. . .
Leaving aside the efficacy or desirability of the vaccine:
Israel’s vaccination programme covers all Israeli citizens over 16 but currently excludes the millions of Palestinians living under Israeli control in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Well – they don’t have to bother about the palestinians – they’ve already had their rights removed and are imprisoned. So just the settlers to sort.
Last time I looked about 20% of Israelis were Arabs. What’s the equivalent percentage of Jews in Egypt, Iraq and Iran these days? Is it 0.001% or just 0.000%?
They’re not ethnic Arabs, they’re overwhelmingly the descendants of the mainly Christian people who were living there when the Arabs conquered the area from the Romans in the 7th century AD.
And in 1921 they formed around 90% of the population of the area between the Jordan and the Med, according to the census we carrted out.
They self identify as Arab and they mostly speak Arabic – who are you to tell them what their identity is? The vast majority are Muslim not Christian.
Still… if only 30% + refuse, those organising ‘cultural events’ will be pleading for this nonsense to be lifted. Likewise airlines.
Surely I can’t be the only one thinking that the ‘green passport’ is akin to an Aryan certificate? How long will it be until those who don’t have one are made to wear a badge of some kind?
Ordinary Israeli people are fine but it is basically turning into a technologically controlled authoritarian police state – surely some ordinary citizens must be concerned?
I am sure Dr Bill Gates and GAVI will have special plans for the Palestinians – they definitely won’t be escaping mandatory vaccinations, its pretty much an impoverished slave state.
Here’s a first draft of Hands-Face-Embrace in SVG format (for nocheesegromitand and anyone else who’s interested). The original PNG version was assembled from existing graphics located online.
HANDS
The hands are from ‘How to Draw Holding Hands’. I’ve turned them into vectors.
https://howtowiki91.blogspot.com/2018/04/how-to-draw-holding-hands-easy.html
SMILING YOUNG WOMAN
The smiling young woman is an Alamy Stock Vector. Price £11.99.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-happy-woman-face-cartoon-139117279.html
I wasn’t going to pay £11.99 to Alamy, so I produced my own.
EMBRACE
Embrace seems to be an Adobe stock image.
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/images/kids-teacher-group-hug-illustration/241379762
The image has been used in a fair few websites and publications. For instance, the slightly ghastly ‘Why can’t I go to school?’
https://challengingbehavior.cbcs.usf.edu/emergency/docs/School-Closed_Story_EN.pdf
Yuk. You can pretty much guess the entire story.
I’ve replaced Embrace with a placeholder. Turning the original into a vector was too difficult – or rather, it’s doable, but would take me more time than I think I can spare at the moment. If anyone else wants to have a go, though, you could download and install InkScape (https://inkscape.org/). You’d then be able to open and edit the SVG.
Concerned father (Lance) posted a bitmap version on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/DanceLikeLance/status/1327242799268376576
He may have a vector version which is closer to the original. I haven’t signed up to Twitter so I wasn’t able to ask.
Alan McNally – Birmingham Uni Prof – He set up the Milton Keynes Lighthouse Lab.
He says this today 29/12/2020 – ‘Lockdown Now’ ….ignore Lateral Flow…..but this assertion is definitely not in the interests of me or my family…but it is good for Alan and China, if they can pull it off. They will both earn more money.
https://twitter.com/alanmcn1/status/1343980777311232005
…But who is Alan working for…UK or China?
Alan was associated with this
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/1/19-0154_article
We are grateful for Alan McNally for his proofreading and helpful suggestions.
The work was supported by grants from the National Natural Science Foundation of China (project no. 81772233, 81661130159 and 81861138055), West China Hospital of Sichuan University (1.3.5 project for disciplines of excellence, project no. ZYYC08006) and the Newton Advanced Fellowship, Royal Society, UK (NA150363).
And this….
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/university/colleges/mds/news/2018/12/mcnally-superbug-amr.aspx
And this China-UK Microbial Partnership:
https://news.cgtn.com/news/3163444e34494464776c6d636a4e6e62684a4856/index.html
Just saying ….beware UK Intellectuals, like Alan! Alan makes money from PCR..not lateral flow….like his sidekick Jon Deeks. Yuk. China Pays for them. As evidenced above.
all roads lead to china…
Seems like it.
bullet dodged?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/china-and-eu-poised-to-sign-long-delayed-investment-deal
long delayed by anything in particular i wonder?
Certainly all roads are connected to China.
Chris Hopson
@ChrisCEOHopson
1/21 Parliament votes on the new tiered restctions on Tuesday. A lot of comment in today’s papers on what’s happening in the hospital sector. Important questions on NHS capacity, demand, preparedness, Nightingales etc. Thread below sets out NHS hospital trust perspective.
This thread (from the end of November), from an NHS insider and apologist, appears to set out the case for the defence from the NHS panickers. Basically the argument is that the numbers might not be particularly big, but the NHS is suffering because of the “complications caused by covid19”:
Covid cowards will claim this means that the NHS faces collapse because of covid19.
Rational folk will point out that if they just stop pretending covid is some deadly plague and treat it as just another winter respiratory, then they could drop all that efficiency destroying nonsense, and just have a normal winter crisis.
This is it. The problem is in the hospitals. Not in the streets. Not in our homes. Not in your businesses.
I’ve somehow got embroiled in a discussion among friends and they all think this is a once in a century pandemic.
Apparently Covid would have killed hundreds of thousands of British people back in 1918 and I’m the idiot for not appreciating that.
Do they have any verifiable evidence for that? I understood it wasn’t possible to draw reliable conclusions as there just isn’t the data available from that time.
Two ways of looking at that.
1. Medical science has indeed advanced dramatically and can now keep many people alive who would have died in 1918.
2. What proportion of the population in 1918, compared with today, was either obese or diabetic and what proportion were aged 80 plus? I think the comparison figures would likely be in the 1000% differential range.
My question to such people is usually to ask them to explain in that case why nowhere in the world has there been an all cause death toll per capita that’s particularly exceptional, on a scale of decades, let alone “once in a lifetime/century”, despite national responses ranging from brutally enforced, militarised lockdown to ignoring it and claiming it’s all a western plot?
Once in a century for sure.
Tell them about the Hong Kong flu pandemic of the late 60s where the equivalent of 100k in today’s population terms died. Yet there were no masks, no distancing, and some pretty important things happened (the moon landing, Woodstock).
Also tell them about lockdown and mask-free Sweden where annual deaths are set to be bang on average, how would they explain that?
Usual excuses probably. Voluntary LD, different culture, population density, or just higher than Norway/Denmark/Finland.
It feels like the wind is blowing in two contrary directions right now.
On the one hand, it has never seemed clearer that people have lost faith in the Covid cult. Many people are muttering that if it’s that contagious we must all have had it by now. The narrative doesn’t add up and people see through it, including former believers. Just one example: woman behind the counter of a shop I frequent has been consistently narky with me since maskogeddon, and she seemed to think rudeness to a bare-face was her social duty. This evening, a really friendly conversation. It’s like the war is over.
At the same time, we know we are about to be plunged into Tier 77, in which we all get sodomised by Boris Johnson every day as a precondition of leaving the house, no exemptions.
How does this play out? The state is doubling down, but their true believers are apostasising (to mix metaphors horribly).
Everywhere you go you see people living life as much as possible. Could be interesting to see what happens next. Will they bow down to tier 5 or whatever incentive name they come up with or will we see actual wide scale disobedience
Where are you seeing this? It certainly sounds more positive than what I see. Everyone walking past on the street is now muzzled. It is a fist-pump moment to see even a single other dissenter in the supermarket or on the train. City centre destroyed and abandoned. The cretins have started driving around by themselves muzzled up again. Trying to discuss the farce is being blanked out now at such a deep subconscious level that they seem to not even be able to hear you speak.
Yo! I was in Waitrose today. Me and two other people unmasked. The two others were, I would say in the age bracket of late 30yrs early 40yrs. People at the petrol station are now expressing openly being fed up with it all. One of them said they just wanted their life back, and he was a true believer at first. The tide is turning, hence the need for more draconian restrictions. The sceptical point of view is coming through.
There must be some pretty big regional differences then, which is good news. I can tell you that in summer and autumn in the parts of the Midlands I have been to, there was an encouraging amount of disobedience, but in the last month since Tier 3 it has seemingly vaporised.
Same in Truro, total compliance in the shops, more masking on street, and even entire masker families on the beach for crying out loud!
Maybe it’s a mix of both, they’re doubling down because belief is dwindling.
If this is the reality on the ground, then the resemblance with Warsaw Pact communism is growing. A majority of the people in those countries were fully aware of the propaganda, but it did not stop that system from lasting 45 years. It only finally collapsed when the economy stopped working altogether.
I think there’s a difference. Every country that fell to Soviet totalitarianism had either had hardly any liberal, democratic tradition beforehand (eg, Hungary) or had gone through a long period of turmoil and war (East Germany). Even the Nazis only came to power because Germany was on its knees after a decade of war and revolution, and they only lasted 12 years in power.
By contrast, countries that have come under the Covid Cult are packed with people for whom up until March, life was pretty good and cushy and they may well still remember that. The Covid Cult is doing its best to keep that illusion going but it won’t last forever and the people might be quite angry when it pops.
Yes – the economy was doing OK, employment was at its highest since the 70s, and swathes of people who would never usually vote Tory put their trust in Boris. It’s only 12 months ago.
Good point, the decades in the UK leading up to 2020 bear no resemblance at all to those in Eastern Europe up to 1945. My comparison was more in the here and now, given that there is a psychological sense of “Year Zero” to all this.
Great comment. For me, your that means..
they are losing.
Because they are so few, therefore their grip is only as strong as their hold on us.
If that is waning, then so is consent.
Which means:
either:
More coercion (doubling down),
or retreat.
…but more coercion means more loss of support…. and so on.
How many iterations do we have left?
I think that, seeing the MSM on extraordinary levels of overdrive today, I have a little notion that things are not rosey, not at all, in the Johnson cabal. The scientists and doctors have also been doing a mass overdrive today on broadcast media saying they need two weeks to catch up. I wonder, just wonder, whether Johnson might be really hesitant about another full lockdown not out of any concern about the citizens of this country or the country itself but rather, because in the first lockdown we lost 20% of our GDP, we are in a deep Depression now with a forecast by the OBR of 8m people on the Dole by mid to late Summer.
That’s not to say that he will wheel Wancock out tomorrow to announce the whole country is in Tier 4 but I think there is a tiny, miniscule, chance that he might be wavering with the information SAGE are giving him. Just a minor waver but maybe something’s got through to him, however small. Unlikely I know. But all is not well in the Cabal. That’s for sure.
maybe the CRG and Sir Graham (with his little drawer of letters) are starting to turn the screw???
Ffs how many times are we going to hear this,Johnson doesn’t really want to do it,He is the prime minister and the buck stops with him.If he is hesitant it is because he is wondering if he can get away with it again.This January lockdown has been planned for months.The media and sage have prepared the ground since before Christmas.The man is a traitor and a criminal
I think the Tier 77 crowd are ready for real social upheaval and pushback. They know its inevitable but why would that deter them?
either way, it could lead to the curtain coming down on the shitshow – whether with a bang or a whimper!
personally i would prefer the end to be entirely peaceful and consensual, but still with unbelievably harsh penalties levied on all those responsible & collaborating
Extra! Extra! Brown bags have just been declared Racist.
In the US a Professor on the east coast said the term “legal votes” is racist.
just floating this one from Sidney Powell:-
“COVID was the cover for the fake-ballots“
what do you reckon?
Sure there was lots of fraud. But Trump let the postal ballots and electronic voting system go ahead knowing this would happen – the crisis seems manufactured to finish off America as we know it in 2021 – a controlled demolition.
maybe a controlled demolition of the people that were behind the fraud? not long to wait now to find out…
We can only hope, but every day there is some promise of new evidence or court cases, everything has fallen flat. The real powers that rule America (CIA, FBI and Media) have clearly decided it’s time for regime change.
you may be right – what’s even more scary than that is if (going back to the original point) COVID was the cover for regime change, virtually every nation in the world is complicit…because it’s now beyond obvious that all the restrictions imposed have not been “about a virus”
could be some interesting payback in the wind if DJT does pull it out of the hat at the last minute…
It is regime change but I suspect all sovereign nations will end up having to report to the World Economic Forum / UN. It’s a takeover by the globalists and America had to be destroyed to allow for it to happen.
Don’t criticise what you don’t understand! Trump has no direct power over how the State legislatures run their Presidential elections. The constitution makes clear it is the State legislatures that run the show, not the President.
what ever trump needs to do he must do it, we are at a very scary moment in our history
Trump has had 4 years to get rid of useless corrupt deep state figures like William Barr and Fauci and let them stay in office – and now the country is paying the price. The Republican party has pretty much destroyed itself – it’s the end for them once Harris becomes President.
I agree with you there, This has been Trump’s fatal flaw. He sees everything n life as about making good deals . He sincerely wants to make good deals for the American people. So he looks around for people who seem competent and who say the things he wants to hear. He can see what’s wrong but he doesnt look at things ideologically…so it seems like the Deep State are able to sucker
him time after time. Trump is the ultimate campaigner, he is a tireless worker, he knows what needs to be done – but he cannot view the world as a conflict of ideas only as people v people.
Of course it was. Election observers had to stand six feet away from counters or behind perspex screens so they couldn’t hear what was being said. The number of election observers was also limited.
All sorts of exemptions from Covid regulations are allowed but this most important of activities – ensuring a fair count – was not made exempt. Totally deliberate.
There were also allegations that poll workers were outright partisan. Good thing that one was totally debunked as a ‘dangerous conspiracy theory’ right?!….oops!
They had just the one thing to do – wear the “Vote” mask -but they went and wore the “Vote Biden – Kill Trump” mask! Duh!!
At least partly true, sure. Very early on when Congress were negotiating stimulus relief packages, the Democrats were packing it with all sorts of other stuff – such as ballot harvesting initiatives… essentially this meant that one person could send in multiple ballots, send in theirs & send in other people’s too, for other people in their own family (or not in their own family…). certainly it had little to do with actual protection from covid.
I am starting to despair again. The healthcare provider I work for has sent round the infection control edict again due to the rise in infections due to the new variation of SARS-CoV-2, so some of my colleagues are dressing up in apron, gloves, mask and visor. I had to ask one of the doctors a question, I took my mask off as I was sitting 3 metres away and I have no symptoms nor was I shouting; she politely asked me to put my mask on, which I did purely to avoid any conflict. None of my medical colleagues are questioning the narrative in any shape or form. The only person who has indicated that she won’t be having the vaccination is one of the receptionists. One of the paramedics has arranged for the vaccination this week.
Oh bugger – tomorrow is a new day. Days are getting longer. Don’t despair please
It’s truly shocking to see the self censorship ongoing right now. The very moment a question is asked on any of it, they want to shut you down as a conspiracy nut. Especially if it’s a question raised in the work environment. The fear is palpable.
Each of us in our own way has to lead by example and ask our questions anyway, regardless of the fear or hostility of others. I’ve had a couple of instances at work where an entire conversation has shifted 180 degrees because of one sceptical comment I made. Very much the exception, not the rule, but it can happen.
One thing I’ve noticed is, you can’t assume any level of scepticism. I’ve said things to acquaintances like ‘of course it’s all going to get worse, the government’s just going to keep on tightening the restrictions’ and the reply has been something like ‘oh, yes you’re probably right, I’ve heard the cases are going up all the time so we probably do need a tighter lockdown’ or similar. We need to just plant a tiny seed of doubt.
I tailor my arguments for each recipient. Sometimes gentle, sometimes blunt, sometimes brutal. I have less friends than at the start of 2020, but that is unimportant.
I’ll be your friend, but not a FB one, as each and everyday I call them brainwashed fuckwits!!
You see, the NHS staff are loving this new found ‘HERO’ status, they really believe it. They have no interest in questioning the narrative. Apart from people like you who are well informed and think things through, they don’t want to. When the Tory’s privatise the NHS in its entirety, they’ll regret it.
Apart from the thousands of nurses now dependent on food banks as all their overtime has gone.
I was debating with a doctor friend (probably former friend) online earlier who was making references to exponential growth and the risk of half the population dying. Absurd. It’s scary how out of touch with reality many seemingly intelligent people have become.
Half?! These people don’t inhabit the real world any more.
Sorry to hear that. On a positive note in my local post office today I saw the postmaster walking around with no face nappy on; normally he is masked but today he wasn’t, with no sign of an exemption ticket either.
If behind a perspex screen, he doesn’t need one .
Yes, but he was wandering all over the shop in which the Post Office is located.
No room for despair. Not a useful emotion.
March or Die.
Shoot the Stragglers.
The Legion knew how to get stuff done.
Feels like we are entering the next phase, my friends.
kinda hoped Farage would add a bit more mustard to the fight, hope he’s not been enticed by gates money and a ticket to the pigs enclosure
Tice has been doing some good work digging on PCR testing. But, yes, I think Farage isn’t really suited to this task. I am not sure his heart is in it really. He’s probably been too influenced by Trump who tried to use Covid ju-jitsu style to floor the opposition. It didn’t work for Trump. It would have been much better if Trump has closed the border, circled the wagons and said we Americans will get through this with courage and capability and we won’t lock down, adopt Chinese masks or lose our American identity, As soon as he identified this as a medical issue, he conceded whole battlegrounds to his political opponents.
Spot on.
Farage is just controlled opposition.He will only make an appearance to split any genuine threat to the establishment.
I agree.
Not voting you up as I see you’ve a downvote already.
Not that it matters too much.
I’m not bothered either.Farage is too busy plugging his financial business to give a shit about the country.Brexit is such a sideshow compared to what is happening now.
Sadly agree, I suspect he gets airtime to divide the public. It’s noticeable that he never really supports the anti lockdown movement / or criticises police brutality against us. Very much an establishment man out banging his pan for weeks on end early on, then they switched him back to the anti immigration narrative before going anti lockdown to fit their ‘right wing extremist’ narrative.
I now consider Farage as controlled opposition.
BIG PAPER in from Dr Ioannidis “Conclusions Inferences on effects of NPIs are non-robust and highly sensitive to model specification. Claimed benefits of lockdown appear grossly exaggerated.” ABSOLUTELY SLAMS LOCKDOWNS: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.22.20160341v3
There was never enough staff to run the Nightingale hospitals. It was all just for show and to add to the fear messaging but more than that it was another theft from the public purse.
Agreed. But we are entitled to take them at their word, especially if that now makes life difficult for them!
Yep: the last 9 months have seen a looting exercise that makes PFI seem like a shoplifting in comparison.
Lots of money going offshore to UK tax free treasure islands to the politically well connected.
Last days of Rome as the Government and their cronies loot the exchequer in anticipation of the collapse they have engineered.
A propaganda stunt to show the UK establishment can match China, all part of the early scam to get the country to worship the state’s NHS system to replace normal religion.
Sorry if this has been posted but https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/malpas-truro-pub-closure-covid-4839998 – how can they afford this ?
Virtue signalling > enterprise it seems.
Well no sympathy if they go under – we refuse to serve people from tier 3 or 4, we have never broken any rules.
Well they totally deserve to lose their business. Nasty sanctimonious virtue signallers…
There was a report, filmed from a helicopter can you believe, on the 6p.m. news today (BBC, I think) on “overwhelmed hospitals”. The reporter said that ambulances were once again having to queue up to off load patients into A&E. I didn’t register where the hospital was. But what they showed as ‘evidence’ was, maybe twenty ambulances neatly parked in bays in the hospital car park, none coming or going anywhere. The only sign of activity was a tea trolley alongside one of the ambulances with paramedics getting refreshments.
According to the reporter we were seeing “all the ambulances queuing up to await their turn to offload their patients and the trolley was delivering refreshments for the patients stuck on board”. What I was seeing was twenty unused ambulances in a car park with a handful of crew from one ambulance whiling away time with refreshments as they had nothing else to do. It would have been laughable if it wasn’t such appalling false propaganda.
No one believes mainstream media any more…sensible people use trial and error to find sources they can trust.
This whole NHS business is crying out for a truly independent body to investigate review and report on what is going on. As it is we get data and news reports on the NHS supplied by the NHS, hardly an objective view. We pay the NHS shed-loads of money, if they are overwhelmed we should be balling them out for not doing the job we paid them to do, it should not be them balling us out for getting sick.
Well according to a nurse friend of mine who recently had to cover a shift in A&E, the only reason that yes, ambulances are queuing up is because they have decided to only allow a handful of patients in the building, due to distancing.
As a result, the hospitals are empty, and emergency patients are being treated in the street.
Yes. Apparently this is pretty much what is causing the problems. I’ve just been sent some details by a very reliable source.
Your mate ketchup?
So like a nightclub making people queue outside to make it look busier than it is.
Massive corruption in the procurement of PPE. Who would have thought it?
https://fee.org/articles/new-expos%C3%A9-shows-uk-s-covid-response-was-rife-with-corruption-and-cronyism/
Just watched The Papers on the BBC News Channel. We had lockdown fanatic Mihir Bose and arch lockdown sceptic Ros Altmann as the reviewers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihir_Bose
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ros_Altmann
Worth a look on iPlayer. They didn’t so much review the papers as give alternative views on lockdown and the ‘rona. An interesting, if at times tedious, debate. There was no real winner, and the presenter sounded like a lockdown zealot. Altmann’s views were spot on, but she struggled at times to make the point.
Are you sure Ros A. is a sceptic? I’ve never got that impression before. She seems concerned about the treatment of people care homes. That’s all I’ve noted before now.
The first Revolution is when you change your mind about how you look at things,and see there may be another way to look at it that you have not been shown,
You will not be able to stay at home brother,The revolution will not be televised, it will be bought to you.
Gil Scott Heron
right, jobs fucked, time to start killing people, i’ll take wancock
How long does petrol keep for in a milk bottle. Askin for a friend….
Just noted MPs applauding themselves for challenging the government on reducing the ring fence 0.7%of GDP on foreign aid as 100,000 children could suffer from diseases such as pneumonia if this is reduced. FFS, what planet are they on, a year of lockdowns and no end in sight, there must be over 100,000 children in our own country suffering heightened levels of abuse, lack of medical, social care, yet alone the million child deaths expected in poorer countries as a result from this self indulgence of fear from an average respiratory virus in the west. These people are so detached from the real world that in a psychiatric setting they would be declared delusional.
Totally agree! Delusional is a good description .
Another new article from ProfFenton Queen Mary Univ London discussing another aspect of testing. Confirmatory testing
https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2020/12/on-false-positives-in-covid19-testing.html
On false positives in COVID19 testing again: we are being misled over confirmatory testing
This is why the lockdown fanatics should be careful. The Guardian (UK establishment mouthpiece) is suggesting lockdowns as a way to help ‘save the planet’ based on the man made climate change scam (man made pollution is a separate/real and serious issue).
If people are too thick to see there are other agendas going on (which they are by unquestionably supporting lockdown) they will get everything they deserve.
Could Covid lockdown have helped save the planet?
Slowdown of human activity was too short to reverse years of destruction, but we saw a glimpse of post-fossil fuel world
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/could-covid-lockdown-have-helped-save-the-planet
The majority of people have shown they are willing to accept anything and everything forced upon them.
There’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t accept at least the same level of humiliation for other things or at least maneouvred into doing so again.
For those with eyes to see, this is the obvious course of events.
Good sound comment Darryl. Good to point this out early tomorrow so more eyes see it.
Blair et als WEF agenda with Schwabteaming uo with UN sustainability goals by formal agreement in June 2019 is all about this. The guardian is their trumpet as is long and widely realised.
Yes it is understood schwab is a cretin frontman same as hancock is to uks take over. The agenda and direction comes from levels above in both cases.
Literally Not From America:
If you rely on the BBC and the mainstream media you might be thinking “Ooh – it’s gone very quiet over in the US…they must have sorted out that election muddle and everyone is agreed now that Biden is going to be the President like that nice Jon Sopel said all along on the BBC. ”
No. That’s not my reading. I think the USA is headed for a massive constitutional crisis whatever happens.
As the days go by just more and more election fraud and malfeasmvance is being uncovered,
Trump has called for a huge rally of his supporters in DC on 6 Jan when Congress is supposed to count the votes, But if Pence rules the electoral votes from the fraud states to be inadmissible then that won’t go ahead. We may then be into a contingent election where the state delegations (not individual Congress members) vote for President which would likely result in a Truml vI Tory.
However you look at this, American democracy is in complete crisis – but BBC, Sky and ITV are not reporting on it! Absolutely incredible censorship!!
Meanwhile…it is reported that one of the law firms involved in suing Sidney Powell (a key figure in exposing the election fraud, now being subjected to lawfare on multiple levels) is our old mate Bill Gates. There is no distinction between medicine and politics in this brutal war.
Great update, thanks.
Gates is an evil monster.
Anybody else who watches Sky News notice that it’s mainly the lesser known presenters on these days?
Is something going on at Sky or are most of the main faces on holiday, not including the Kay Burley gaggle or course?
Radio and TV station high profile presenters usually take time off at Christmas. The bad old faces will soon return to Sky ‘News’.
I always get this sense that Beth Rigby probably eats quite a lot. With her hands.
What gets me the most about all this is the uncertainty of never knowing from one day to the next what new horrors the Government have in store for us and fearing the pleasures I still have like church will be snatched away again. It is psychological abuse of the entire population.
Yes it is. As Amnesty International defined torture of POWs 50 yeara ago that criteria is met by our government and armed forces actions against the population.
See bitchute amazing polly video 6 months ago that goes bit by bit through the definition.
All true but I just want to go to the fuckin pub.
This is so very true. The constant sequestration of hope, the ability to plan future events; having things to look forward to is part of our humanity. This has been taken from us. And it is utterly soul destroying.
You know as soon as you open the news media there will be some hitherto unknown NHS apparatchik shroud waving and lobbying for ever harsher restrictions. This will be picked up by the lockdown fanatics like Piers Morgan. Then, as surely as night follows day, Hancock or Johnson, with Dr Doom and the Spectre of Christmas yet to come will be at the lectern announcing-with a heavy heart-a further assault on liberty and livelihoods.
If I never again hear from another bureaucrat from the bowels of the NHS demanding that we put our lives on hold to protect their fragile operation, it will be too soon.
I agree — the inability to plan for the future, by which I mean even next week, is anti-human and a form of torture. If this mask crap keeps up I may never be able to fly anywhere ever again. Travel has always fed my soul and it’s crushing to think I many not be able to plan a trip ever again. I can’t even plan a trip to the grocery store as I refuse to wear a mask. Life has become very limited, but I still have a lot to be thankful for. I’m more angry for my kids and all young people who are getting shafted and having to put their futures on hold.
The only word that describes what’s going on is EVIL!
I was chatting today to a friend who works in a are home. She said she now has to have two covid tests a week instead of one. She also told me the policy had just changed that if anyone tests positive despite feeling well they have to isolate whereas before they were offered a second test. If they are doing that for NHS staff, no wonder they are having problems. I did glance at a Guardian article claiming that tabloids were lying that the numbers were usual for winter and the covid patients in the ICU were previously healthy 60-year-olds. Are there official stats for ages of patients? I seem to recall seeing some.
Just watched 1984 again. Wow haven’t watched it in years, but now with the narrative of Covid restrictions, there wasn’t a single word out of place with what is happening today. History is indeed being rewritten.
During the film it dawned on me what the solution was, and that was to start living our lives like it was 1984 again. No I don’t mean get a big perm or large shoulder pads. Ditch the internet, our smart phones, start doing real life things again that doesn’t involve technology, for that very technology we give so much value to in our lives today will take all our freedoms away..
Everything is starting to make sense, they are taking away all forms of non technical life, family meetings, pubs, restaurants, holidays, chatting by the water fountain in the office, shopping in the high street. Everything is being replaced on-line.
I know we’ve come too far for that, especially as I’m only telling you this over the internet, but there are some easy wins..
Lol,CCleaner doesn’t do that!
Best thing is, first opportunity you get, vote for populists opposed to lockdowns and masks.
It is a special thing to go through the story of 1984 during these times. A special experience.
Was contemplating earlier about the younger generation at school now. Some will become investiators of science and of history. How will the lies we see around us be maintained in front of those fresh prying eyes? How will our truth be kept from them?
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Checka, checka, check it out
They load the clip in omnicolor
Said they pack the nine, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
And then play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin’ all the lies that they’re tellin’ ya
Buyin’ all the products that they’re sellin’ ya
They say jump and ya say how high
Ya brain-dead
Ya gotta fuckin’ bullet in ya head
Yes, thank you, thank you, Jesus. It’s not quite what the parents were expecting, and some of the younger children from Year 1 are a little upset…
Lovely article by Mike Robinson of UK Column. Fact checking the Fact Checkers over Covid Passport fack checking.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/immunity-passports-desperation-fact-checkers
I do love Big Sam. What I mean, of course, is that I don’t. But I did wonder when managers at the bottom of the Prem would start using lockdown zealotry as a rhetorical chance for them to get a bit more time on the training ground with their failing players. But Big Sam’s gone early. Who will follow? Sam Allardyce: West Brom boss calls for football ‘circuit break.‘ (BBC Sport)
“Everyone’s [premiership] safety is more important than anything else [particularly whilst we’re in the bottom three]” he added after West Brom’s 5-0 home defeat by Leeds on Tuesday. You watch, if they go on a run of 10 games undefeated and end up mathematically safe from relegation, he’ll be inviting Toby Young to give half-time team talks, before slagging off ‘bedwetters’ during his postmatch press conferences.
This is sinister!
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ronnie62597744/status/1344314176064380929