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by Jonathan Barr
19 December 2020 4:16 AM

Have yourself a Merry Little Lockdown

Christian Adam’s cartoon in the Evening Standard

The Prime Minister warned yesterday that he could not rule out a new lockdown and we do appear to be heading that way. The Telegraph has more.

Boris Johnson has put the country on notice that a third lockdown could be on its way in January as several Government scientific advisers warned restrictions could need to be tougher than before. While the Prime Minister said he hoped to avoid joining Wales and Northern Ireland in imposing new lockdowns after Christmas, he warned that “the reality is that the rates of infection have increased very much in the last few weeks”. 

Speaking on a trip to Bolton, he also signalled that decisions on COVID-19 restrictions in the new year would depend on how people approach the five-day window when social distancing rules are relaxed…

It came as new estimates released by Sage showed the R number has risen from 0.9-1.0 to between 1.1 and 1.2, suggesting the virus is at risk of growing exponentially again.

In a statement, the Sage sub-committee SPI-M also warned that modelling suggesting that “additional mixing” during the Christmas period may have a “large impact on post-Christmas prevalence”, including a “slight shift towards a higher proportion of cases in older and more vulnerable age groups.”

One idea for avoiding Lockdown 3 appears to be calling it something else, the Daily Mail reports:

Shops could be shut and commuters ordered to work from home under a draconian Tier 4 regime. The plans are being drawn up as a way of avoiding a third national lockdown – but would contain curbs as tough as those seen in previous shutdowns.

A Government source last night told the Mail the proposal was back on the table. “The Department of Health is pulling out the folder marked Tier Four,” the insider said. “We are not there yet but we are clearly in a worrying situation. It probably starts with closing non-essential retail and strengthening the work from home message.

But there are lots of things you could add to that, it’s still early days.” Other sectors likely to be considered for closure in Tier Four include gyms, swimming pools and hairdressers.

Yesterday evening, it was reported in the Telegraph that London and Kent may not be in Tier 3 for very long – although it’s not good news.

An emergency toughening of COVID-19 restrictions could be announced as soon as Saturday after Boris Johnson was handed alarming new evidence of the transmissibility of a mutant strain of the virus.

The Prime Minister called an unscheduled meeting of senior ministers on Friday night to discuss how to contain the new variant, which has so far been largely confined to London and the South East.

Travel restrictions are among the measures under discussion, with one source suggesting the Government could even restrict travel between the South East and other parts of the country.

An alternative would be to ban commuters from travelling into London, after the mutant strain, which originated in Kent, spread rapidly to London and then the home counties.

Much of the South East was put into Tier 3 by the Government only on Thursday, but the new information about the transmissibility of the mutant strain was so worrying that ministers fear they may have to act immediately.

Government scientists at the Porton Down laboratory in Wiltshire have been conducting experiments on the new strain, and have confirmed ministers’ fears about it being far more infectious than the original strain of the virus.

One source in the scientific community said there were “concerns in Government” about the new strain after the evidence was presented to ministers on Friday afternoon.

“The evidence that the new strain of the virus more easily transmits from one person to another has hardened up,” said the source.

The meeting of ministers was expected to continue late into the night, with Whitehall sources refusing to rule out a press conference on Saturday to announce additional restrictions.

Mutant new strain? As Dr Mike Yeadon has pointed out, there are at least 10,000 variants of the dozens of respiratory viruses we refer to as the common cold. It’s completely normal for new variants of these sorts of viruses to emerge, dominate for a while, and then recede.

Meanwhile, the ONS produced a new report, which estimated that the virus surged by 86,000 in the week ending December 12th, suggesting the effect of Lockdown 2 wore off just days after it ended. MailOnline reports:

The Office for National Statistics today estimated that 567,300 people in England were infected with the virus by December 12th, up from 481,500 a week earlier.

The number marked the first time in a month that infections had risen after restrictions were tightened across the country to try and control the second wave. 

These rules worked for a while, with ONS figures showing that total infections plummeted by almost 200,000 in the space of a month from a peak of 654,000, but cases are now rising again in the run-up to Christmas. 

Tim Spector’s ZOE survey App, which counts symptomatic people testing positive, presents a less alarming picture, estimating that there 302,652 infected people in the whole of the UK on December 12th, representing 0.45% of the population.

The ZOE Covid survey

Tim Spector is unsure why this should be.

For the first time – the government confirmed cases figures have exceeded our survey estimates and those of ONS. This is hard to explain as our methods haven’t changed since May ?? pic.twitter.com/6fKJL39ymI

— Tim Spector MD (Prof) (@timspector) December 18, 2020

Stop Press: Dr Clare Craig has summed up the story of Lockdown 2 in a single tweet.

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1339951534566756356

Has the Evidence of Asymptomatic Spread been Overstated?

Dr Clare Craig, a pathologist and regular contributor to Lockdown Sceptics, and her colleague Dr Jonathan Engler have examined the research evidence behind the claim that COVID-19 can by transmitted by asymptomatic individuals. They have written an important paper on the subject which we are publishing today. They have summarised their findings as follows:

Harmful lockdown policies and mass testing have been justified on the assumption that asymptomatic transmission is a genuine risk. Given the harmful collateral effects of such policies, the precautionary principle should result in a very high evidential bar for asymptomatic transmission being set. However, the only word which can be used to describe the quality of evidence for this is woeful. A handful of questionable instances of spread have been massively amplified in the medical literature by repeatedly including them in meta-analyses that continue to be published, recycling the same evidence base.

There are three types of evidence for asymptomatic spread: studies showing people test positive while asymptomatic (the bulk of the work); studies measuring viral load and concluding from it that people with no symptoms can transmit virus; and studies showing actual transmission.

The first two are not proper evidence that spread can occur.

It is important to carefully distinguish purely asymptomatic (individuals who never develop any symptoms) from pre-symptomatic transmission (where individuals do eventually develop symptoms). To the extent that the latter phenomenon, which has in fact happened only very rarely, is deemed worthy of public health action, appropriate strategies to manage it (in the absence of significant asymptomatic transmission) would be entirely different and much less disruptive than those actually adopted.

Many early studies which purported to demonstrate the phenomenon of asymptomatic transmission were from China, yet the fact that Chinese studies are only published following Government approval must bring their reliability into question. Nevertheless, the high volume of these studies spawned significant salience of the issue within the medical community, and an assumption of the likelihood of asymptomatic transmission being an important contributory factor. There then followed a number of meta-analyses examining the issue of asymptomatic transmission which tended to aggregate and give equal weight to studies regardless of origin or quality. In this way, these meta-analyses, given undue credibility by their association with reputable universities, amplified minimal evidence of asymptomatic spread to an importance the data did not warrant. 

A review of the literature has been submitted to the BMJ and is included here as a preprint. In it the papers most frequently cited in support of the existence of asymptomatic transmission were examined. Despite our criticisms of the sources of the data above, we did in fact find only six case reports of viral transmission by people who throughout remained asymptomatic, and this was to a total of seven other individuals. However, all of these were in studies with questionable methodology. These were: In Italy, two asymptomatic cases allegedly passing the virus onto two others, in Brunei, two asymptomatic cases allegedly passing the virus onto three others, and in China, two asymptomatic cases allegedly passing the virus onto two others

In all these studies, confirmation of “cases” was made via PCR testing without regard to the possibility that any of the cases found might be false positives.  The case numbers found, are in any event extremely small and certainly not sufficient to conclusively determine that asymptomatic transmission is a major component of spread.

It is also notable that, in what would seem to represent an abrupt volte face by the CCP, a further (presumably Government-approved) study from China was recently published which entirely contradicts the earlier conclusions regarding the phenomenon of asymptomatic transmission, which had been driven by Chinese data in particular, early in the pandemic. 

Some might conclude that that study lacks the credibility one might expect for a paper published in Nature; it is claimed, for example, that they PCR-tested 92% of Wuhan’s population (~10m individuals) over a 19-day period at the end of May, and found just 300 positive PCR tests, implying a false positive rate of no greater than 0.003%. Further, it is claimed that while 100% of the 300 PCR positive cases were asymptomatic, there were zero symptomatic PCR positive cases out of ~10m tested during a period only a few weeks after the epidemic had peaked in Wuhan. 

If this seems incredible, then surely that has serious implications for the way in which earlier studies from China – data from which formed a significant part of the worldwide evidence base for asymptomatic transmission – should be regarded. 

You can read the paper here.

Children Should Not be Demonised

A drawing done by a teenager after his first day at a new school

Today we’re publishing a contribution by Arabella Hastie. As well as being a regular reader of Lockdown Sceptics, Arabella is member of the child and clinical psychology group in UsforThem, a group which has actively campaigned to keep schools open, functional and free of masks. She writes of the devastating impact social distancing rules can have on children.

“Don’t Kill Granny” was the eye-catching phrase used by Preston Council to scare young people into sticking to the regulations back in August. Young people knew that the risk to themselves was almost non-existent. They had complied with five months of lockdown – missing out on education, exams and social development to help flatten the curve – and now they wanted to see friends in the sun. The Council and then the Health Secretary used this phrase as a deliberate policy to scare and guilt-trip our children and young people into compliance. More frighteningly, it marked a moment in the pandemic when children and young people have become the scapegoats for any increase in transmission rates. The Government has admitted that increasing fear in the general public was central to their strategy to ensure compliance. Still, it is low when this is targeted directly at children in a way that could scar them for life.

The calling by unions and local councils to close schools early or restart them later increases the sense that children are to blame. Indeed, Sadiq Khan was explicitly saying “if the government isn’t careful, these children will pass on the virus to vulnerable people because the rules are relaxed”. If Granny dies or is not able to visit because you have to isolate – then it is all your fault.

Worth reading in full.

Sweden Tightens the Rules

ICU admission are declining in Sweden, despite not closing a single pub

There was sad news from Sweden yesterday, with the Government announcing its toughest COVID-19 restrictions yet. They remain, however, lighter than Tier 3 and notably light on enforcement. The Spectator‘s Fraser Nelson has more.

Big news in Sweden this afternoon where Stefan Löfven, the Prime Minister, has just tightened COVID-19 restrictions. Still no lockdown, but there’s now a rule of four for restaurants (it had previously been six) and an 8pm curfew on the sale of alcohol in bars and restaurants (it had been 10pm). A cap is to be placed on numbers in shops, gyms and swimming pools: universities and sixth-forms will switch to remote learning until January 24th. But beyond that there are no new laws (or restrictions for private property). Löfven said he still has faith that Swedes will respond to his voluntary approach. “I hope and believe that everyone in Sweden understands the seriousness,” he said.

Anders Tegnell was notable by his absence at the press conference where the new rules were announced. The Prime Minister was joined instead by Johan Carlson, the chief of the Public Health Agency. There was new guidance on the use on masks:

From January 7th, face masks will be recommended on public transport, albeit only at certain times. Given Sweden’s status as pretty much the only country in the Western world not to recommend masks, this is quite a turnaround. In the press conference, journalists sought to tease out what Johan Carlson, director of the Public Health Agency, made of the u-turn. “There are no sanctions, just recommendations,” he said. He went on to restate his problem with masks: they can give a false sense of security and not much protection and discourage social distancing he said. Asked if he now believed there was scientific evidence for them, he said: in hospitals, yes. But outside of them, “we don’t think it will have a big effect. It might have a positive effect.” The problem, he said, is that wearing a face mask is easy; social distancing is hard. If you end up with more people travelling on crowded buses, feeling that the masks protect them, “then that’s not the outcome we want”.

Fraser Nelson’s article is worth reading in full.

Perhaps the King of Sweden has intervened behind the scenes. The Financial Times reported on Thursday that King Carl XVI Gustaf has branded the country’s COVID-19 approach a failure:

Sweden’s king has admitted that the Scandinavian country has failed with its coronavirus strategy, which has left it with a far higher death toll from the pandemic than its Nordic neighbours. Carl XVI Gustaf told Swedes in his annual Christmas address that the country had suffered “enormously in difficult conditions” and that it was “traumatic” that many relatives of the almost 8,000 people to die with COVID-19 had not been able to say goodbye to them. “I think we have failed. We have a large number who have died and that is terrible. It is something we all have to suffer with,” the king added, in comments released on Thursday and due to be broadcast in full on Monday.

The royal court later clarified that the king was not criticising Sweden’s coronavirus strategy but was referring “to the whole of Sweden and the whole society. He is showing empathy for all those affected.”

Anders Tegnell declined to comment on the King’s remarks, but did defend his approach.

Asked by the Financial Times if he should have done more to reduce the spread, Mr Tegnell said that many countries with strict lockdowns had had high infection rates, and that the situation was “very complicated”. He added: “In Sweden we do the same as all other countries: we do our best to keep the spread as low as possible. We can see countries using a lot of different measures, and we cannot see any clear correlation between measures and the stop of the spread.”

Worth reading in full.

Indeed. Where is the correlation between the severity of the restrictions imposed and the containment of the virus?

The Hills Are Alive With the Sound of Panic

A few days ago, tagesschau reported that Austria’s mass-testing programme has failed to attract the masses.

The COVID-19 situation in Austria remains tough. In order to get the numbers under control, the Government has provided rapid testing, but there was limited uptake. The testing essentially came to an end in five of Austria’s nine federal states last Sunday, but participation fell short of expectations. In Vienna, just 14% of the population took part, in Salzburg around 20% and in lower Austria under 38%. The Government has expected 60% of the country to take part…

In response to the relatively low level of participation in rapid testing, the Government is considering incentives to encourage a greater participation in the next round. The Ministry for Health is considering an incentive system. Residents of Tyrol could have themselves tested free of charge from December 19th until the New Year, Governor Günther Platter has said. Upper Austria also wants to extend testing.

Yesterday, it was announced that Austria is to re-enter lockdown on Boxing Day, but with an eventual get-out-jail-free card. The Local.at has the story.

Austria announced on Friday it will enter its third coronavirus lockdown on December 26th, but those who take part in a planned series of mass testing programme in January will be allowed more freedoms. Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz announced on Friday evening that Austria would enter a three-phase lockdown process in order to “return to normal”. 

“We have decided that we will spend Christmas as planned, but then tighten the measures again,” said Kurz. The goal is to likely to achieve a seven-day incidence of less than 100 cases per 100,000 residents and then keep the numbers low through mass tests, Kurz said. Currently, Austria’s seven-day incidence is at 205 per 100,000 residents. 

Austria relaxed lockdown measures somewhat on December 7th, but case numbers and fatalities have remained high. The measures were “the only possible way to re-open tourism, cultural life, restaurants and cafes during the pandemic and at the same time avoid numbers exploding again”, Kurz said.

Movement outside the home will once again be restricted to purposes such as buying food or taking exercise. The lockdown measures include distance learning in all schools when they return on January 7th, with face-to-face lessons again allowed from January 18th. The big request is, from December 26th on, don’t meet anyone again, said the Chancellor…

There will however be another round of mass tests from January 16th to 18th, with those who test negative allowed to go shopping and meet people again. “For all those who are not willing to be tested, the lockdown rules apply for a week longer,” said the Chancellor.

Hotels and cultural venues will be expected to check test results on arrival, while the police will carry out random checks in other areas, Kurz said…

Those who do not take part in the mass tests will also have to wear FFP 2 masks where otherwise a simpler face covering would suffice, for example while at work or buying food. Rules surrounding how and whether to allow outdoor sports, including skiing, will be left for local authorities to determine.

Worth reading in full.

Round-up

  • “Hospitals busier with Covid now than they were in first wave” – Misleading headline on this Times story. The first sentence begins: “A fifth of hospital trusts in England are dealing with more coronavirus patients than at the height of the first wave…” So, in fact, 80% of hospitals are less busy than they were in March/April.
  • “Brazil’s supreme court rules COVID-19 vaccine can be mandatory” – The Telegraph reports on Brazil’s supreme court ruling that Brazilians can be “required but not forced” to take the vaccine
  • “Brits don’t appear to have been influenced by anti-vaxxer” – Writing for the Spectator, Ross Clark analysis the recent ONS survey which suggests that 78% of adults are likely to take the vaccine
  • “Covid: We Persist in Having the Wrong Debate“– Omar S. Khan attacks the notion that we must obviously sacrifice so much in life to tackle Covid
  • “How to stop the NHS being overwhelmed” – We should look to expand NHS capacity and resources, writes Ann Bradshaw in Spiked
  • “Mass testing in schools on brink of collapse as unions back heads who refuse to take part” – The Telegraph reports that the plans for mass testing in schools is already coming apart at the seams
  • “Are hospitals REALLY creaking under the strain of Covid before Christmas?” – MailOnline debunks the idea that the NHS is full. It has more space than it did 12 months ago
  • “Join me, parents, to fight mass testing in schools” – Anna Rayner in the Conservative Woman, issuing a rallying cry against mass testing in schools
  • “The credulous cult of lockdown” – Julian Mann on how lockdown appears remarkably like a religious cult, in the Conservative Woman
  • “The PM must set an end date to the inevitable cycle of lockdowns” – Patrick O’Flynn in the Telegraph says that Boris must tell us when this is all going to end
  • “Is Covid a high risk to younger adults?” – Donald J. Boudreaux examines the question on the AIER blog
  • “The work from home boom is here to stay. Get ready for pay cuts” – Noah Buhayer in Bloomberg reporting on a new trend to emerge from COVID-19. White collar workers are heading to the coast and companies are reducing their pay
  • “James and Laura’s Chinwag 6” – James Delingpole and Laura Perrins have another chat, each giving it both barrels on the matter of lockdowns
  • “It’s not up to the Government to cancel Christmas” – Juliet Samuel makes a good point in the Telegraph
  • “End the COVID-19 Lockdowns? Two Epidemiologists debate” – A Soho Forum Debate by the Reason Foundation, pitching Professor Martin Kulldorff, of Great Barrington fame, against Professor Andrew Noymer, signatory of the John Snow Memorandum

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Five today: “Nowhere to Run” by Martha and the Vandellas, “The End” by the Doors, “Road to Nowhere” by the Talking Heads, “Benjamin Britten’s The Turn of The Screw” by Opera North and “Pointless“, the theme tune to the TV quiz show.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing Stories

Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics so you can share it. To do that, click on the headline of a particular story and a link symbol will appear on the right-hand side of the headline. Click on the link and the URL of your page will switch to the URL of that particular story. You can then copy that URL and either email it to your friends or post it on social media. Please do share the stories.

Social Media Accounts

You can follow Lockdown Sceptics on our social media accounts which are updated throughout the day. To follow us on Facebook, click here; to follow us on Twitter, click here; to follow us on Instagram, click here; to follow us on Parler, click here; and to follow us on MeWe, click here.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, from News 1130, the announcement of an all new and inclusive policy at the Provincial Court of British Columbia.

In an effort to be more inclusive of transgender people, the Provincial Court of British Columbia has created a new policy asking lawyers to provide pronouns when introducing themselves and their clients in court. While some lawyers have already started including pronouns in their introductions, the court will now expect everyone to share how they wish to be referred to.

In a press release, the provincial court provided an example of such an introduction: “My name is Ms Jane Lee, spelled L-E-E. I use she/her pronouns. I am the lawyer for Mx Joe Carter who uses they/them pronouns.”

The court said the policy change will improve the experiences of gender diverse people in the legal system and would help avoid confusion and the need for corrections when someone is misgendered.

“Using incorrect gendered language for a party or lawyer in court can cause uncomfortable tension and distract them from the proceedings that all participants should be free to concentrate on,” the press release said.

“I think it’s a fantastic development for the court system in B.C.,” said Lisa Nevens, a Vancouver-based civil litigator who is gender non-binary and uses they/them pronouns. Nevens said they already introduce themself with pronouns and the “Mx” title, but this new policy will take the onus off people who may be more likely to be misgendered.

Having a practice where everyone just does it, you don’t have to make assumptions, you don’t have to stand out in order to be properly addressed in court. It will make the system more inclusive for everyone and more accessible for lawyers and witnesses and other participants alike,” they said. They said the courts still have more work to do, including moving away from gendered titles for judges such as “my lord” and “my lady”.

Wednesday’s policy change is a step in the right direction, according to barbara findlay, a queer feminist lawyer with more than four decades of experience who does not capitalize her name. “Up until now, courts, like everybody else, have judged the gender of counsel either by how counsel looks or by the kind of name they have: a boy name or a girl name,” she said. “First of all, those judgments are often wrong – and second, male and female do not exhaust the categories.”

Findlay said she has seen judges misgender lawyers in court, creating a “difficult situation” in which the individual doesn’t want to contradict the judge but also doesn’t want the mistake to remain on the record uncorrected.

“So, really the only way for a court – or for anybody – to know what someone’s gender is, is to ask,” findlay said.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: On Thursday, Woman and Equalities Minister Liz Truss gave an address at the Centre of Policy studies to announce the Government’s new equality agenda. She tore into identity politics.

Today, I am outlining a new approach to equality in this country. This will be founded firmly on Conservative values. It will be about individual dignity and humanity… not quotas and targets, or equality of outcome. It will reject the approach taken by the Left … captured as they are by identity politics, loud lobby groups and the idea of “lived experience“. It will focus fiercely on fixing geographic inequality… addressing the real problems people face in their everyday lives… using evidence and data.

Study after study has shown that unconscious bias training does not improve equality, and in fact can backfire by reinforcing stereotypes and exacerbating biases. That’s why this week we announced we will no longer be using it in Government or civil service. Whether it’s “affirmative action”… forced training on “unconscious bias”… or lectures on “lived experience”… the Left are in thrall to ideas that undermine equality at every turn. The absurdity was summed up just this week by the Mayor of Paris being fined for employing so many female managers she had breached a quota.

Worth reading in full.

The speech got good reviews from Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph and Brendan O’Neil in the Spectator.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p, and he’s even said he’ll donate half the money to Lockdown Sceptics, so everyone wins.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here.

Stop Press: There is a story in both the Irish Times and RTE of a man given two months in jail for failing to wear his mask properly while on public transport, shortly after it became mandatory in Ireland. LifeSite, meanwhile, says the individual concerned was convicted for failing to give his name and address to the police officer and an additional charge of using “threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour” was considered.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here. Alas, he’s now reached the end of the road, with the Supreme Court’s refusal to hear his appeal. Dolan has no regrets. “We forced SAGE to produce its minutes, got the Government to concede it had not lawfully shut schools, and lit the fire on scrutinizing data and information,” he says. “We also believe our findings and evidence, while not considered properly by the judges, will be of use in the inevitable public inquires which will follow and will help history judge the PM, Matt Hancock and their advisers in the light that they deserve.”

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review last week, but the FSU may appeal the decision. Check here for updates.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Quotation Corner

We know they are lying. They know they are lying, They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Charles Mackay

They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…

Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn

No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.

Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury

Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.

Sir Winston Churchill

If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.

Richard Feynman

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Albert Camus

We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Carl Sagan

Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

George Orwell

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

Marcus Aurelius

Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

William Pitt the Younger

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels (attributed)

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

H.L. Mencken

I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.

Thomas Paine

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And Finally…

As Christmas is likely to look a bit different this year, Spectator Life has published Santa’s guide to staying safe by Andy Shaw.

Letter to Santa

Due to age and obesity, Santa has been deemed ‘at risk’ and has been shielding with a support bubble of elves for most of the year. As part of his mission to save Christmas, Boris Johnson is rumoured to have let Saint Nick jump the queue for a vaccine.

Nevertheless, letters sent to Santa are screened for pathogens by elves retrained as Covid wardens. Non lick envelopes are requested wherever possible.

Santa has binned all requests for board games (SAGE stipulates that sharing dice and cards could be lethal). Likewise balls and equipment for team sports have been scrupulously crossed off lists. Father Christmas is keeping a close eye on the next round of government regulations in case they include a quota for the number of presents allowed per household.

Santa’s visit

Santa used to love visiting poorly children in hospital and old people in care homes. This year, he fears becoming known as Santa The Super Spreader, St. Nicholas of Covid or Father Christ-All-Mighty Keep Your Distance.

Santa may land his sleigh on your roof, but he won’t venture down your chimney. Touching stockings or consuming mince pies prepared by those outside his bubble is strictly forbidden. However, it is hoped that the elfish Matt Hancock is left out for Santa to take with him back to the North pole. He can make up for his appalling behaviour by packing presents for next year’s Christmas.

Very funny and worth reading in full

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

Sick of this lockdown. Will it be over by Easter? Any point booking summer holidays? And what if this vaccine doesn’t make a difference?

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
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And anyone know how much all this is costing and what will happen when the fools run out of money?

(Edit button not working for above post for some reason)

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It isn’t supposed to end , these are the early stages of an evolution.

As for running out of money, no problem there just research the IMF financial reset proposals .
The govts will hoover up delinquent assets and hand that over to the global banking cartel in as collateral.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

Yep….this will give the elite all their money back. We (scum masses) don’t deserve money or liberty. Just bread and circuses. Elite get financial reset and all the control their NPD sociopathy craves.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

I’ve more or less wrote the same thing, Bill. Those who haven’t researched the goals of those pushing the scamdemic need to get moving so they can better understand why it is happening. It also makes the idea of a virus being responsible for this tyranny almost comical.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

Take a loan from the World Bank, the EU or the IMF.

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Van Allen
Van Allen
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

If we are in a “dress rehearsal” the vaccine will work a dream. And next time a new virus comes along (is created?) compliance and zealotry for lockdowns and the rest will be even greater, since it will be proof that suppressing the virus until a vaccine comes along is a viable option. On the other hand, if we are in the midst of the controlled demolition of the current economic systems to usher in the Great Reset it will have no effect. Like lockdowns, social distancing, masks, track and trace….

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

lose lose then? Sweet dreams.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

I wrote very similar comments to this all the way back in the Summer and was poo-pooed on by the regulars on this site for being a misery gut. Seems people are starting to finally wake up.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  James

likewise

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

I wonder how the likes of Annie feel right now, she being one of the first smart arses who ridiculed me for predicting they’d cancel Christmas among other predictions that have already started to unfold.

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Just saw on a popular cruisers blog that royal Caribbean are thinking about refusing non vaxers access to their holidays. Well that’s me buggered. Mind you I was getting less and less keen when I heard about no buffet, masks everywhere, one way round the ship, social distancing everywhere, theatres with every other seat taken out of action. No karaoke, And only RC day trips allowed. In your room welcome pack is hand sanitizer and a few masks. Sounds lovely.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

If they want to go bust then they’re sure doing a good job.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Boycott!

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

wild camping trips on hikes from home it is then. Dam the torpedos

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

my gut feeling is 12 months from now we will roughly be in the same place. Masks, social distancing and non essential shops open

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

I agree. There will be no end to this unless we end it.

Too many still think compliance is the way out; as we know here, it is only the way deeper into the eel trap.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

people need to wake up remove the Johnson Government and Labour forever

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Unless we can get some traction waking up thee zombies.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

It’s hard to say this, but be grateful of what you have right now and enjoy Christmas to its full extent. Next year, unless the public revolt, we won’t have Christmas at all. This year they’ve already tried to stop care homes putting decorations up, and, at this point, they’ve made Christmas and new year celebrations illegal with the exception of one day.

Next year they will find a reason to stop traditional celebrations altogether.

My fear is the inevitable psychological vacuum we will feel after Christmas and a pitiful New Year ‘celebration’ when the decorations come down. Depression is going going to hit untold levels of severity.

In 12 months from now, their intention is to have devolved us into a nation without identity and completely obedient to their ‘rules’ while ownership of property is rapidly reduced and dependency on the state sky-rockets.

We must do whatever we can to stop them achieving this.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I seriously advise you not to book anything.

Stock up.

Link up with like-minded people.

Clear out your bank account and buy real useful stuff.

Batten down the hatches.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

What sort of real useful ”stuff’?

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Rupertvn
Rupertvn
4 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Pitchforks?

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

And what if this vaccine doesn’t make a difference?

It will be your fault, or our fault, or the Russians or the Chinese, anybody’s fault but their own in fact.

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James
James
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Sorry Hugh, but we’re just past the beginning of this madness. While our lives are being ruined, a big powershift is occurring and a new currency being created much in the same way the Gold Standard appeared, then the Petrodollar, etc. I know I’m often called a misery gut on this site, but being realistic about the destination helps you understand the journey, so they say. The important thing is that we continue to push back against the authoritarian nature of this change.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Reset the Globablists.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

Whitless? Why on Earth?

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Looks like it’s not going to end any time soon doesn’t it?

In happier times I thought we might be getting back to normal by October. Will we even be back to normal this year? Or ever?
Edit – I must admit I have long felt that medieval times are underrated and misrepresented, but I take your point.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The ‘Middle Ages’ is a very loose term that covers a very long period. It had its horrors – including a pandemic that killed one person in three – and it had its glories.
It had God. It invented universities. It built cathedrals. The church held out the promise of eternal life in Christ. People lived in perpetual hope.
We have the Covid Devil. We turn every building into a jail. We trash universities and, for good measure, schools. The demon priests of Covid hold out the threat of death, with living death as the only alternative. People live in perpetual terror.
The Middle Ages had a lot going for them.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I suspect that if people then could conceive of a time like ours, they would have considered quite a lot of it barbaric, and not least the tragic events of 2020. In fact there would have been an uprising if this had been inflicted on them.

But be of good hope. The truth will out in the end, the heroes and heroines who stood up to evil celebrated in song and films.

I repeat Gandalf’s words – “It is not ours to decide the times in which we live, only to decide what we do with the time given to us”.

PS, What is 77th brigade? What on earth was all that about yesterday?
Oh well, don’t let the buggers get you down etc.

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Eliza P.
Eliza P.
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The 77th Brigade do exist I’m afraid. Government paid goons (ex-soldiers and the like I believe) and they do sit and spy on us and try and stir up trouble and they are pretty open that they do exist. I’ve come across comments on some anti-Lockdown pages that I think look a lot like them at work – and not “real” posters. They’re probably reading this page too – in fact I’d be surprised if they aren’t and, if so, I’d like to warmly wish them the Christmas/New Year/rest of their lives that they deserve (I’m sure we can all imagine what that is – say 30 years in prison wrongly condemned for a crime they didn’t commit).

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

The A-Team?!

I’m more worried about the ones who seem authentic but are just you know what. I remember that terrible story about an agent posing as an environmentalist of some sort…insulting and degrading.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Change Agents. Mark Windows talks about them often.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

Indeed they do. They are an actual part of the army, dedicated to cyber etc and counter “misinformation”. Officially, publicly, now assigned to Covid-19 related tasks. MiniTrue.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

Yes, and they better be making contributions to the upkeep of this site.

For any 77th guys and gals reading, see the ‘Shameless Begging Bit’ in each day’s post.

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

When I spot one of them I usually say ‘Come in no 77, your time is up.’ or something similar. Makes me smile, anyway. 🙂

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

I always ask them if the weather is ok in Berks, and a comment about the temperature around 77 degrees

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

They’re helping to build a future dystopia they will be forced to live in themselves

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

They never add anything to the discussion. Simply a diversion to waste your time. You need only to relate verifiable facts(for the by-standers) and perhaps for the SS (77th).

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Steve Jones
Steve Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

That makes you as bad as the 77th brigade only worse, since the real 77th brigade has an element of democratic oversight.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

R.e. 77th, google up Tobias Ellwood MP.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
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definately

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

He’s been promoted…

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zacaway
zacaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

https://www.army.mod.uk/who-we-are/formations-divisions-brigades/6th-united-kingdom-division/77-brigade/

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Cedric the dragon
Cedric the dragon
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Tobia Ellwood MP is a Lt Colonel (?) in the 77th Brigade.

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Desmond Swayne MP is 77th brigade. It’s in his bio.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

Oh dear – I thought he was on our side too

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

Bullshit! He IS on our side – there is nothing “in his bio” you utter twat!

Ellwood is another story…

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

Further to Desmond Swayne –

Bio:

https://www.desmondswaynemp.com/sir-desmond-swayne-td-mp-2/

Blog – seems pretty clear to me.

https://www.desmondswaynemp.com/blogs/

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

MP’s like Swayne need to grow a backbone and remove Johnson We would defeat Covid19 much faster without Johnson, Hancock Witty Vallance etc

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

Takes one to know one?

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

conspiracy theory nonsense again anyone who listens to nutjob David Icke deserve to be sent to the same Mental Hospital where He was a patient

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Adam

Icke was bang on concerning the dodgy PCR test way back in April. On Covid, he’s been on the ball. Don’t shoot the messenger just because he has eccentric views on lizard people. Check out his site – lots of good information there, surprisingly. (I’m not a rabid superfan of his, by any means – I just take my information from a very wide spectrum, and certainly not unquestioningly. Question everything, especially this post of mine.)

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Steve Jones
Steve Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

perhaps the 77th brigade is a branch of the The Behavioural Insights Team .The theory is that the state knows what is best for us and hence we should be nudhed to behave a way that suit’s the state’s ideas.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Jones

One insight is that even the belief of infiltrators and disinformation disseminates operates a fearful and divisive reaction.

So the main thing I suggest is look to the truth in your hearts – like you have never looked before – so as to truly seek for and align in what truly serves Life.

Fear masks in many disguises and is not in itself evil, but denied fears are ‘justified attacks’. And this does work evils under claim to make you safe.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I want to learn more about the Late Middle Ages in particular, and do a bit of research. Trouble is, I can’t read the writing from those days …

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Late medieval French is a doddle if you know modern French. And there is some fantastic writing out there.
Les Quinze joies de mariage is about the funniest book I know.
Or try Froissart for the splendour and glory and ridiculousness of the Hundred Years’ War. Translations available.
Or François Villon, who wrote the greatest poem in the French language, La Ballade des pendus (ably translated by Swinburne).
In English, Malory isn’t hard in the original, and there are updated versions. He has his tedious times, but his account of the last battle and death of King Arthur has rightly been called ‘one of the finest tragedies in the English language’.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I don’t know any Modern French! Languages are a weak point for me, including Latin. I have copies of various Medieval documents in English that I need to transcribe sometime, but can’t mount up the courage to get going yet. I’m fine with Elizabethan handwriting, but anything before that I start to struggle.

I’m going to get Lord Sumption’s 4-volume history of the Hundred Years War.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

That is one massive work!

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

annie – I did modern French at ‘O’ Level in the 1970s – ‘B’ grade when grades went from A to E. I can read most French – quite slowly – you think it’s near enough to be understandable without too much brain strain?

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

Yes, but start with a translation alongside the text.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

My friend, Raphael, could read and write old French. In 2006 we decided to write a film script on the life of Francois Villon. He changed his mind and started writing a play instead. I read some of it and it looked promising. In 2009 he told me that he was going to Switzerland. I didn’t hear one word from him until he finally came back to Montreal two years ago. He told me that he was taking anti-psychotic medication and I haven’t seen him since. I have no idea if he finished writing his play.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

What a pity. Villon’s life is pure drama – plus mystery.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

medievalist.net is a good place to start.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

One thing, the illuminated manuscripts are amazing works of art, and beggar belief how their amazing designs, intricacies and colouring was done in chilly scriptoriums, on hard benches with the’organic’ materials and implements of then.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Hell is empty and the devils are all here.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

From the same play:

They’ll take suggestion as a cat laps milk.

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

The bank vaults are empty and the debts are all here…

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Surely it was a deeply superstitious time, when heretics, like us! would be condemned for diverting from the ‘one true faith’

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

God… The same God that’s letting all this inhumanity happen..

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Well you could be grateful for the Gift of Life with no strings attached!
You are not an infant.
You do not HAVE to let crap thinking colour your mind and world.
As you sow so shall you reap.
Garbage in; garbage out.

And WHO told you were naked (so as to mask up and lockdown in separateness as a control system)?

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Binra
Binra
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

The late and lovable Terry Jones of Monty Python fame (whose passing merited one of the cartoons in the recent awards) has a series on the Middle Ages. (Not the other one) which features a theme per episode – as with ‘The Peasant’. This is on youtube and is a wry and entertaining but informing look on history that debunks much of our present propaganda and turns the lens on our own ‘unconscious bias’ or rather systemically manipulated ‘normal’.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=terry+jones+medieval+lives

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Eliza P.
Eliza P.
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I must admit I’m not the worlds most patient person and hate waiting for anything if I can help it (though, goodness knows, I’ve had a lot of practice – eg not able to find a way to buy my first house till 34 and that was back in the 1980s) but I often wonder just how much longer I can wait for Life to get back to Normal. We all know we were told Lockdown would be for 3 weeks and here it still is 9 months later. I could say that I could do with a crystal ball to tell how much longer it will be back before we are graciously allowed to have Normal again – only I’ve just remembered I have a crystal ball and don’t use it LOL. Maybe I ought to get rid of that crystal ball – in case I’m tempted…it works…it tells me They will keep this up for years yet…

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

Their time will come, and it will come when enough people say “I am mad as hell and I’m not taking it any more. It was the Labour party in 1906, in 2015, The United Kingdom Independence Party were the vehicle, we have seen off the North East Regional Assembly, the Congestion Charge. This is going to be a bigger battle with high stakes – perhaps we are getting into “6 grey men” territory, people who will make the Hillsborough coverup look like a walk in the park, but we will get them in the end. How did that song go? “We are the ninety – together we are mighty – we are the ninety nine per cent”. In the mean time, there is lots of little things we can do – we had some friends round tonight, in tier 3, no masks or any of that (I literally ate out of someone’s hand!), probably against “the rules”, we are being political, we are making a stand just by being normal, What was that song about the man with the satisfied mind? That. Don’t let them get you down, right wins in the end.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

the Social Democratic Party or Libertarian Party perhaps

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Adam

Rod Liddle’s lot? they seem promising from what I’ve heard, but they’ve some way to go to start making an impact.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Eliza P.

I’m sorry to say this, but I think it’s best to accept we’re not going back to normal. That’s been clear to me since the tier system was introduced in October. We might achieve some return to a semblance of normality if the mass of people wake up and demand it, but there is very little sign of that happening. NB I am not saying that lockdowns and related terror will go on indefinitely, just that we are unlikely now to ever wake up and hear Boris announcing on the news that it’s all over.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Not unless ‘they’ remove the carrot and the stick. (I’m sure he is convinced that the carrot is very sweet.)

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

In the middle ages, the ‘superstition’ was rooted in a vital faith, or in long-standing mythology and practice with real significance. The covibollocks is just shit, a horrible degradation of rational people. There is a big difference.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Branch Covidianism is a death cult, which makes it satanic by default.

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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I felt the same re October. This is just totally insane.

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

They’re never going to let us out.
We’re never going back to normal, and they did warn us. No independence, no freedom, our lives ruled over and micromanaged by sociopaths.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

That may be the goal, but it may not work. The trouble with all these central planners and psychopathic leaders is they don’t have any real understanding of human error and frailty, they just assume everything works because they will it to. It’s one of the reasons the Germans ultimately failed to dominate the world.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

The Germans failed to dominate the world because they were disunited until Bismarck.We already had a head start and were able to use our position to form a coalition to defeat them and even then it was close.
I agree with your point about human nature which all utopian regimes flounder on

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

have You been taking the same meds at David Icke

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

A shame, really, I had my suspicions when they put 7 different parking restrictions outside our house (despite most residents rejecting it).

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Stephen Follows
Stephen Follows
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

October, yes. But October 2300.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It’s not going to end soon because they are not following the science.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

That’s right. They are following the Agendas and the Great Reset playbook.

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Steve Jones
Steve Jones
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The Oxford vaccine is sure to be approved in a week, Then we’ll be getting ~ 2 million jabs a week. Once we have 20 million innoculated,it’ll be quite safe to life restrictions since risk will be slight.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Jones

like You i am optimistic and not into conspiracy theories this Government needs to go though

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Jones

I’m not taking that for love nor money. End of.

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Carey
Carey
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Jones

Thank you. As much as I’m fully onboard with this site, it has left me broken to think we’re all losing our lives to this. A bit of positivity was needed. Thanks.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Well at least we might have the Renaissance to look forward to.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Indeed. The arrogance of modern people in that context in breathtaking and yet they lack the self awareness that they’re no better and no worse than our ancestors.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

That includes forebears of many thousands of years ago.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The SAGE repsonse has been medieval from day fucking one. Twats

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Well if I owned one I would use it to piss in at night.

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

In medieval times they had the excuse of not having modern science, and their lives would have been dominated by religion.
What’s the excuse now???

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

The NHS.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Global Public Health is the new religion. Beware.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

I see little difference between the medieval religious domination of the population and what is happening now.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Why are doctors and nurses complicit in this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNnArXzn-18

QUOTE ” I have been a nurse for almost 20 years, none of this from the beginning, ever felt “right”. In the first lockdown when all the hospitals were supposedly “over-run” and people were clapping on a Thursday night, my colleagues at the normally-busy hospital where I work, enjoyed empty wards, quiet shifts and daily pizza and other fast food deliveries donated by the public. They admitted that they loved it.
Now I see all the colleagues around me lining up for this vaccine, not questioning a thing. I have never had the flu vaccine and I am certainly not having this.
 Last week, I worked my final shift, I am leaving the profession. I simply cannot stand it anymore, I want no part in it.”

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Or as Sky News call him, “National Treasure” Jonathan Vam Tam. Makes you sick!

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

Oh I see . third thread – sorry!

I’m afraid it doesn’t get any better, can’t even remember the last time it did.

Look out, the edit button isn’t working again so don’t say anything batty 🙂

Edit, edit button now working, for me at least – d’oh!
2nd edit – back on the morning shifts next week so you’ll have a break from me at least. Loving having the edit button back!

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Liewe
Liewe
4 years ago

Mutant strain is very, very worrying. From South African news yesterday:

  • A new variant of the coronavirus has been detected in South Africa, health minister Zweli Mkhize announced on Friday.
  • Called 501.V2, the new variant seems to spread faster than the original version.
  • While it is not clear whether it will make people sicker, it may have consequences for vaccines in South Africa.

This virus is damned clever! Who would have thunk?

The article assures the South African people that we needn’t panic as the Powers that Be has it all under control: We are shutting beaches during the summer holiday season. That will show the virus we mean business!

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

It’s a mutant strain of fascism. That’s what I’m worried about

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that viruses mutate to spread faster yet become less lethal.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Because its only function is to replicate, a successful virus does not kill its host as Ebola does and the common cold does not.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Those thoughts came to me when a flatmate claimed she got covid for the second time a few weeks ago. Got tested, came out negative, concluded she must have a seasonal cold and took paracetamol. Thank God it wasn’t a false positive!

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Kevin 2
Kevin 2
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Yes, that’s basically it. Selection for reduced virulence, but maintained transmissibility. In the case of this virus, it’s not really a mutation, it’s just a reading frame deletion, which happened by the end of April!
Same happened everywhere in Europe, a sharp peak in deaths followed by decline.

This talk of a ‘mutant strain’ and it being ‘more infectious’, is simply to induce more fear, and allow them to inflate the R number further, thereby justifying more and more testing and Tier 4 and above.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

Are people really wearing masks everywhere outdoors there?

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Liewe
Liewe
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

It is mandatory to wear one outside, but 90% of people ignore this rule and there are no penalties associated with it. We do wear masks to go into stores as the business can be criminally charged if they do not enforce the rule – no exemptions allowed as in the UK.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

Good to know thanks. Was looking into booking a trip over but the thought of masks everywhere put me off.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  Liewe

I think that the mutant strain has gained strength due to all the masking, sanitising, distancing going on – the weaker one that could only leap a few feet couldn’t find enough hosts and has been replaced by the one that can leap ten feet. Nature doing what it does best. Created by us, that went well!

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

If your tongue isn’t in your cheek, I hate to break it to you but consider for a moment that there are approximately 12000 mutant strains already in circulation.

Moreover, if Porton Down have managed to ‘discover and research’ this new strain, why haven’t they managed to isolate this virus yet? Hmmm…

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago
Reply to  Jez Hewitt

Yes and how the hell do they know which version of the virus you are suffering from? There is no way the PCR is making this distinction? And according to the news this is spreading quicker than the original. My god why does nobody challenge this bullshit. Oh I have different symptoms, have you thought you might have the flu or a cold? You know like you had last year! Why have people stopped thinking.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

It’s simple, they are full of it.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

Covid is a trojan horse for The Great Reset

But The Great Reset is the trojan horse for another great depression.

Most people buy into covid and/or government cockups. Some see the Great Reset. Eglomaniac preening narcissistic useful idiots such as Boris and Wanksock have likely been decieved that this Great Reset will be a green Shangrila with windmills and flying electric cabs. That this will be their fantastic legacy for which history and the plebs will love them.

Yet the Great Reset is the ‘carousel in Logan’s Run’. And future vaccines the life clock. There is no pandemic. There is no great reset. Just a great depression.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

A great depression? (And presumably accompanied by a great deal of depression). This is seriously worrying. Wasn’t there a war after the last great depression? And I’m assuming biological warfare will be a part of future wars.

I think we might just get Nuremberg mark II, one way or the other.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Prepare to testify. Hoard every bit of evidence. The mighty mass of it will crush them to powder.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Heard another story at work of someone suffering pain after delayed treatment because of the current restrictions – on top of the person who suffered sleepless nights from toothache because he had to wait to see a dentist earlier this year because of restrictions. If those face coverings can cause dental problems as I understand, no way I want to risk that with the horror stories going around.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Don’t you think that we wicked sceptics will be the ones on trial (after the climate trials and the executions have finished)?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

There has been quite a bit of discussion locally about the changes that will be imposed on us over the next few years with petrol/diesel cars going, gas/oil boilers going. Some see this as a rosy green future but my argument has been that this cannot be done in an equitable way, many people will be unable to have an electric car and thus our current freedom to travel as we wish will be severely curtailed. The headlong rush to heat pumps will lead to many unable to adequately heat their homes and need to move to very small accommodation.
It is hard not to see what is happening at the moment as a prelude to forcing these these changes on us that will, in my view, drastically reduce our quality of life. But then I value liberty and freedom of movement above the need for safety and protection, a set of values which does not seem to be shared by many in the country.

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Les Tricoteuses
Les Tricoteuses
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

In a smart city your small apt. will be heated for you and you won’t need a car, just be sure to keep your social credit score up.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

What will the WEF do to you if you become too sick to work or too old? How will they get rid of the unproductive?

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dhpaul
dhpaul
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Ben, I think you’re talking about the latest version at the time of Covid, 21, 22 etc

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

A Smart City Waste Disposal squad will drop by chez vous.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

Apartment?

We plebes will be lucky to have a sleeping tube and extra packets of roach paste to put on our weekly soy wafer ration.

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Right. This period is very similar to the “shock therapy” the IMF imposed on Russia, which led to complete socio-economic collapse and hyperinflation in 1997.

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Martin Walsh
Martin Walsh
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It is essentially a return to the 1950s when I grew up. Very few had cars or central heating and air travel and foreign holidays were for the wealthy.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Depression has to follow the Everything Bubble of the last 30 years. The sovereign debt bubble and other leverage.

Covid and the rest is the wrapper. Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

The gods have done a thorough job this time.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I had the feeling that the stock market crash in March-one ultimately stopped by circuit breakers- was unrelated to covid and more to do with the collapse in the price of oil. Since then covid has been the distraction, but the stock market crash has lead to the Great Reset. Though the Chinese have other ideas.

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

Blanket media coverage on the imminent announcement of Lockdown 3 / Tier 4 in response to the supposed fast spreading mutant strain.

The editorial today states that the figures being used to justify this are not supported by the figures from ZOE.

How can the discrepancy be explained? Have we uncovered a new mutant way of misleading us with the statistics?

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

No need for a justification. Lockdown is the natural state of the Covvizombie.
Wales is to be locked down, locked up, gagged, kicked in the teeth, scourged and excoriated from 28 December onwards. Already decreed by our shabby, wrinkled little ersatz Stalin. Dungford is p….. himself with glee at the thought.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

You are right about the shabby…..what an uninspiring little scrooge he is. I wonder how long he would last alone in a room with one of many Welsh people.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

I describe dungford as a wannabe J-C Juncker, but is a tee total shabby suited no one nazi, At least Juncker can blame it on the booze, dungford has no excuse

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

We feel your pain. Toronto’s lockdown was supposed to end on Monday but has been indefinitely extended, while other areas in Ontario are coming under tighter restrictions. There’s talk of the schools extending the winter break. But most ominous is an op ed in one of our national newspapers this week from a Canadian who was in Melbourne during their lockdown and who thinks it’s a great idea. Our feckless premier can’t understand why cases keep rising despite the lockdowns and all the other stupid measures, so of course he’s priming us for a Melbourne-style police state after the holidays. Now that we’ve fled Toronto our lives won’t change, but I’m sickened by what’s happening. No talk here yet of mutant strains, but that’s all the hysterics will need to demand more “safety” measures.

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Girl down Under
Girl down Under
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

Hi Lisa, oh no, you don’t want that. Amazing how many in Victoria think that man did a wonderful job, one referred to him as an ‘illustrious’ leader!!! Here where I am, the whole of the northern beaches of Sydney at 5.00 has been placed into lockdown. All pubs, clubs, cafes closed, restaurants open for takeaway only. 4 reasons to go out, exercise, essential shopping, medical, or compassionate grounds. We are not allowed to leave local government area and no one can come in. No mandatory masks, but heavily requested. I went to my local shopping centre and must have been 1 of 5 not wearing masks. And boy did I get some looks. The hysteria, as you say has ramped up again. We have, wait for it, 24 people in hospital Australia wide NOT in intensive care. 3 in NSW, 11 in the Northern Territory, 10 in Queensland. We have had 31 positive test results in NSW. It is pathetic how docile some people are.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Girl down Under

Dismayed by the worship of Daniel Andrews in Victoria. Are Victorians a bit dim?

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Yes, they’re a bit dim and a LOT authoritarian. Most of them deserve ‘Chairman Dan’.

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Girl down Under

And it’s summer there, just wait until fall and winter. That’s what Canadians don’t seem to realize about Melbourne — it was summer when the police state-style lockdown occurred and respiratory illnesses will naturally wane regardless of the draconian measures. Had it been winter, Melbourne would still be locked down. Any country which has seemingly stopped the virus has simply kicked the can own the road. It’s scary to hear that Sydney is headed in the wrong direction over so few “cases” and I’m surprised masks aren’t mandatory. I’m going to guess they will be any day now.

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

Yes, next time my friend in Melbourne e-mails I will probably tell him to enjoy travelling now, while he can, as I expect him to be locked down again when winter comes (if not sooner). He loves all this, cheers on ‘Chairman Dan’ and hates the ‘selfish’ rule breakers. FFS! Well, this is what I’ve come to expect from most academic people (and I am one myself – must have been dropped on my head at some point).

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

i am amazed Canadians and Australians put up with this sooner or later there is going to be a backlash

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

if only. People will happily put up with lockdown if it was like November. What is being slipped through today-effectively suspension of free movement is the worry.
I would imagine Brighton is very busy today. Go Christmas shopping and stop off somewhere for lunch.

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Thank you for the replies so far.

I am still really puzzled by the recent upsurge in positive test results. Very timely for putting the mockers on Christmas. A sceptical person might suggest it is to give a deliberate message to make people ‘ behave’ over the period previously known as festive.

Possible explanations:

There has genuinely been an increase.

There has been a change in the volume of testing.

There has been a change in the nature of testing eg temporary lull in lateral flow and increase in PCR or change in PCR cycles used

Figures have been held back and are now being added back in

Figures being compiled differently

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Airborne viruses spread more effectively in winter. It’s why we have a flu season. Whatever they do with NPIs you will always have a higher incidence of any airborne respiratory virus in the winter months. No need to invoke new strains, “covidiots” or anything else, it’s just what happens. And they know this, but are trying to convince the masses that there must be a reason and something must be done to deal with this “unexpected surge”

And I have no doubt they are also fiddling the figures.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

It’s not about a virus. You need to question and to do your own research. Believe it’s about a virus if you want to, but discrepancies will keep appearing and there will be no answers for them

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

I recommend the latest Richard D Hall video`s on all this @ http://www.richplanet.net
he goes over much old ground but was flabbergasted to listen (show 3) that there are some who believe that there has been a global coup this year inc obviously the fake US Election but our dear old Queen has actually been legally disposed under the cover of Brexit legislation…

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

It’s true. Parliament has declared itself Sovereign, the Queen no longer wears the Crown and we live a in a dictatorship run by some people we don’t know. The people in charge are all bought with sex, drugs and money, whatever is their vice. It is the duty of all of us to stand up for our rights and fight back by not wearing a mask, refusing to do anything that is called a law that has been passed since the day Parliament declared itself sovereign. All the cops, and the courts, the media and the NHS and everyone connected with the state are now working for the enemies of the British people. We have been taken over without any problem. I’m afraid when it’s all been said and done us the people will have no choice but execute those who’ve done this to us, ether by the courts of by Guerrilla warfare. This is a fight for our lives. Personally i feel we’ve no chance and we’re all fucked. How can we possibly fight them? Most of the dumb fucks that work for the state don’t know what is going on. To me it feels like what it must have felt like if you were one of the handful of French Resistance fighters after the Nazi’s rolled into town. Hardly anyone is a Lockdown Skeptic and most people will cheer when us skeptics are send to the gas chambers. Still, there’s a new episode of the Gran Tour to watch

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Greg
Greg
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

True. Even the “sceptics” still talk about “cases”. No one can grasp the whole thing is false positives, CT>40, contamination in labs.

These fckers in gov know it. The “leaders” are not stupid, The other MPs are all toeing the party line while or are thick as fck.

It’s game over people. People like us have been pilloried as conspiracy theorist since March but have been proved correct.

Want to see what coming down in Q1 21. Luckily Canadian PM leaked it a few months ago and so far the whole thing has planned out exactly as reported.

https://cairnsnews.org/2020/10/16/canadian-politician-leaks-new-covid-lockdown-plan-and-great-reset-dictatorship-australia-is-part-of-it

“ Q1–Q2 2021.– Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.– Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.– Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.

– Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.”

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Greg

Fuck off! Sorry, that’s the first thought that popped into my head.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Sadly I have to agree there….we share a country or even a world with covid zombies who would support any measures….look at the numbers of people who wear masks in places where they are not mandatory. God its hard not to hate those people.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yep,agreed..There is no chance for us it’s just a matter of time before we get publicly harassed, attacked and finally arrested and dissaperd. I saw somebody on Twitter suggesting organising a vigilante squad that will hunt down no makers on public transport in London..Over 10000 likes and thousands of retwitts..Most people think that’s a great idea..Great let them come,see what happens when they try to confront a combat veteran like myself.I will get ugly!

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Those sorts of people are cowards.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Please report this as hate crime, inciting violence or whatever. Make the woke rules work for us for once.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

Will not work.

In the US, Soros-funded district attorneys have been playing catch and release with Antifa and BLM rioters all year long.

I imagine there are similarly compromised prosecutors installed in the UK.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

It’s a really good watch. Richard and Andrew Johnson cover ALL the main pillars of the covid sceptic’s platform. Five hour long sections. Well worth a watch.

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
4 years ago

Disappointing to see LS playing into the narrative about ‘cases’. Cases are meaningless derived from a positive PCR test which we all know is a fundamentally flawed procedure.

Thats why I don’t follow the Tim Spector angle as this also propagates this narrative. An asymptomatic cases like this ‘new deadly strain’ I’m simply gonna call BS on. This is all prepping for further closures and harsher measures while blaming people for actually having fun and doing normal human things at Christmas.

The fact that they are demonising and prohibiting normal human interactions should never be overlooked or forgotten. Especially while they don’t follow the rules themselves. I hope I live to see the day when these people answer for their crimes.

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anon
anon
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

well said

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

I live in that hope. Remember Nuremberg. Remember how Hitler ended.
Endure, love life, seek out the good things, fight the evil, disbelieve the lies, NEVER GIVE IN.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Remember the Jews saying this will blow over,this can’t possibly get worse,but we are also German..Look how great it turned out for them. The only hope we have,is false hope!

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

Whose side is Lockdown Sceptics on?

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Digital Nomad
Digital Nomad
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

It has ALWAYS been controlled opposition. If you have any doubt, listen to the London Calling podcasts Toby does with James Delingpole, who is the real deal.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Digital Nomad

In which case they’re worse, since they already know about the skulduggery and the corruption and the intense suffering caused by restrictions

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annie
annie
4 years ago

For animals, life has only one point: to preserve and perpetuate their own life. Eat, survive, fight off competition, reproduce, die. Selfish genes rule, ok.
Human beings used to be different. Classical writers celebrated the fact that Man stands on two legs so that he can turn his face heavenward, and wonder, and ask questions, and realise that there can be more to life than brute survival.
Then came Covid Man. Homo covidianus. The nadir of creation. Far lower than the animals, because animals do their best for their young, but they have turned and savaged theirs.
We are the last representatives of Homo sapiens. Can we coexist with Homo covidianus? Can we drive him to extinction? Will intelligence win out over sub-brute stupidity? I believe so, but it will be a long, hard struggle.

PS. Edit button now working!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Homo Subjectus.

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annie
annie
4 years ago

Pity we no longer have chamber pots. Gazunders with a picture of Hitler were very popular during WW2, I’m told.

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Chris John
Chris John
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

An etching of Woody Fingerdick to aim at on the urinals?

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Laurence
Laurence
4 years ago

What is wrong with the King of Sweden ?

They’re one of the few countries in Europe, maybe the only country, that haven’t completely screwed up the lives of their people, and still have had fewer deaths this year than 2017 and 2018 (after adjusting for the last few days of December and the growth and ageing of the population). 280 people under 60 have died after a positive test within 28 days, many probably not even from COVID. Yet he says their Covid reaction has failed.

The plebs can’t be allowed to go free. Go for it, King Gustav !

At least your subjects aren’t so stupid and overwhelmingly still support the wonderful Anders Tegnell.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Generations of inbreeding tends to inhibit these ‘royal’ types.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

Nice chat with WEF……..

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

WEF showed him the grassy knoll footage from Dallas ’63.

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kf99
kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

The narrative is constantly “they’ve done worse than their neighbours”. Why do they accept that? It seems pretty easy to dismiss, with the total mortality figures taken over a few years, as you say. Their new mask advice is depressing although it is at least nuanced, unlike every other country.

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Laurence
Laurence
4 years ago
Reply to  kf99

Earlier this year, their neighbours for comparisons included countries like Poland, Lithuania, Latvia etc.

Now it’s just Denmark, Norway and Finland.

Can’t imagine why that’s changed ?!?

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago

Children are a double-edged sword. I truly worry for their futures as they are just getting their lives started, whereas my husband and I have done what we wanted to do and traveled the world. In our mid-fifties it’s not like we’re giving up or don’t hope we can still do more and see more, but I’m more angry and upset for what my children might miss out on and the opportunities they may not have.

Try not to be too hard on yourself with respect to the life you didn’t live. You know the old saying about hindsight being 20/20. Let’s try to be hopeful that some semblance of our former lives will again be possible, at which time you can make some small or subtle changes. I think it’s natural for us all to take stock of where we are and have regrets about what we didn’t do, but let’s not assume there won’t be an opportunity to be more bold, more courageous and find new purposes.

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Eliza P.
Eliza P.
4 years ago

Words fail me – brings a whole new meaning to “get your ugly mug over here” – as he is ugly too LOL.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
4 years ago

MY FRIENDS, I love you all! THANK YOU – Toby, Will, contributors and commentators – for being a source of comfort, entertainment and sanity during this unbelievably challenging year. Without you I would have lost my mind. I’m going off line for two weeks, for my annual digital detox and total media black out. I highly recommend it to restore normal human functioning! But before I go, I wanted to thank you and to leave you with some thoughts to hold onto.

The entire world is under cyber attack. Not our computers… but our minds. We have been hacked. It doesn’t matter who or what did it, it matters that we stay aware of it. Before we look for explanatory theories or urgent solutions we HAVE to understand that the majority of human brains have been hacked. This – as terrifying as it is – includes most of our “leaders”. This is no longer about politics – the normal political spectrum has been upended and distorted – it is about the simple fact that HUMANITY HAS BEEN HACKED. Human rights, the rule of law, civilisation itself… they are fading away in front of our eyes. This is why no one is actively doing anything to stop teachers abusing children, police brutality, elder abuse, general bullying and shaming. There are very few human brains that have escaped the attack. Even those that have resisted for so long are starting to weaken, starting to give up and conform because it’s just too hard to keep fighting. But we MUST STAY STRONG.

The real VIRUS, like any other computer virus, is the one that has hacked the software of our human brains. Well, if that is true… then WE are the ANTIVIRUS. We can’t give up. No matter how hard it gets, EVERY act of defiance or act of humanity is a strike back against this seemingly unstoppable force. We HAVE to be stronger than this psychological virus that has infected so many. Whatever it takes STAY HUMAN. Hug, smile, help, sing. And on Christmas Day, wherever you are, whether you are alone (including being the only uninfected one in the room) or with a fellow HUMAN BEING, take a moment to think of all those poor infected souls. Imagine them sitting around a table with masks on (pulling them down briefly as they insert a mouthful of food, but quickly replacing the mask to cover their mouths as they chew). Think of them shivering with cold as they sit beneath wide open windows, and sanitising their hands and donning gloves before opening presents. Think of them denying themselves any human contact. And do not feel angry with them. Have some compassion. Pity them. They are very, very unwell. If we reject them and blame them… we have succumb to the antihuman virus ourselves. Raise a glass to them and pray for their recovery.

Get some rest. Nourish your bodies and souls. Turn off all screens. Get out into nature. Eat. Sleep. Wake up in January refreshed and battle ready. Because it’s not going to get easier any time soon. The war has hardly begun. Their weapons are fear and inhumanity. Our weapons are love and human resilience. We always win.

WE ALWAYS WIN!

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Have a wonderful break and thanks for the inspiring words! Eating well and being out in nature as often as possible has really helped me as well. We’ll “see” you in January!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Great stuff! Yes, I now feel like a proper Antivirus. Or rather, my brain has all the latest antivirus software and it’s updated minute by minute.
And I’ll never never never give in. ever. ever ever.
See you again soon, have a good break.

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Llamasaurus Rex
Llamasaurus Rex
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Thanks CNC. Have a great break, and see you the other side.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

A great post and support so much of what you have said. It is unbelievable the amount of fear propaganda around. Looking back I think its often been used …even as long ago as the 1980s with the AIDS hysteria which turned out (very much like Covid) to affect a very small number of people yet the Thatcher Government launched a propaganda war to persuade everyone that they were under the threat of death from it. I remember it ruining the sex lives of students at the time…not mine I hasten to add as (just as with this one I smelt a rat from day one).

More recently we have had the egg scare,the foot and mouth scare,the millenium bug scare and the Covid scare and 2 new ones this week…the cyber attack scare and the new virulent form of the virus scare.

However there is an old saying about all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men (and women) to do nothing. So I think you let off the sheep too easily here. There comes a point where people have to take responsibility and stop using the media as an excuse for lunatic behaviour like not sending Christmas cards because its too dangerous. After we have all been subject to the same media onslaught yet it has not ‘infected’ us. How far are these sheep willing to go? Are they really prepared to watch the entire economy and cultural life go down the pan completely? Do have not have any point beyond which they are not prepared to go?

This morning I went to go to a bakers in a small shropshire town and almost everyone was a maskoid young and old OUTSIDE as well as inside.. I can almost forgive the old people but these smug virtue signalling youngsters I find completely odious….I could cheerfully throttle them. I try to keep away from the towns in case I end up doing that! These are not just people following the rules and keeping their heads down. They are nothing less than willing collaborators in evil.

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Graham
Graham
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Was the small town Ludlow? If so you may encounter a bald middle aged chap with a grumpy expression but no mask. That’s me.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Graham

Hi Graham no its a much smaller town called Broseley. I dont live there ,its across the river from Ironbridge where I live. Ironbridge is the same too….full of people applauding the fact that shops only allow one person in at a time so the queues are huge.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Hear Hear!!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Tonight it feels like we are further from winning than ever

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

thank you CivilianNotCovidian,i was all set to give in and order food delivered now on but i.m going back to my plan to try my best to shop with out a scarf in a store that has signs saying no mask no entry , i was the only one [save 2 ]out walking today with out a mask out of doors
that part is easy have been doing that since march. have a good break thank you for more inspiration.

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Telpin
Telpin
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

This has cheered me up no end . You are absolutely right – fundamentally this is about defending humanity and we should remember this in our angrier moments. It’s the most powerful weapon there is. Have a wonderful Christmas

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

The anger has left me

I no longer try to educate or inform people. It does not work. At the end of the day who am I to try and save people from their own folly

The people demand to be tortured in the hope it will save them. The pig dictator gives them what they want

When the latest round of torture fails the people demand further torture

I now stand on the sidelines with a priti smirk

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I think that’s wise. Let’s live and let sadlidie.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I think thats probably the only way to keep sane in this. Most people are lost to the COVID cult and they get angry with you if you try to argue against it. Maybe the best response is just to laugh openly at them.

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Scotty87
Scotty87
4 years ago

Lockdown till vaccine arrives, vaccine is rolled out, new mutant strain emerges, new vaccine needed, lockdown till vaccine arrives (repeat ad nauseam).

This is the life they want for us.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

until the money runs out presumably, surely this is just not viable. Any economists care to elaborate?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Not a chance. If we spend in 2021 like we did in 2020, there will be no NHS, no education system, no welfare state and no pensions in 2022. No shit.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Not funded by the State, anyway

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

In the USA, a broken arm without medical insurance will bankrupt you – literally. The NHS is a disgusting shell of its’ former self, but some form of socialised medicine is the only affordable healthcare system. We just need to sack a huge number of worthless “managers”, that’s all.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I’m an economist and I am afraid it can carry on for an awful long time if the nation has an AAA international credit rating and is able to electronically print money ad nauseum. Most economists now seem to applaud the endless borrowing on the grounds that interest rates are very low so the cost of servicing the debt are tiny. The stock of National Debt is not a problem as the government just issues new debt when the old gilts mature, often at a lower interest rate!

A bit like Oscar Wilde said though…whenever almost all economists agree they are always wrong without exception pretty much….remember the ERM? I think there will be a day of reckoning and it will not be pleasant. It may come from future interest rate increases or it may come from a collapse of confidence in sterling.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Thanks, great explanation, ‘they’ have found the magic money tree and there’s no stopping them now. All the old rules are meaningless. Everybody can sit at home for ever and the salaries of all the people that matter will be paid.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

No – that doesn’t work.

Those salaries may be paid, but if less is being produced, then the prices will rise.

We are heading for global hyperinflation.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Is it the WEF’s Great Reset? Have you seen Ernst Wolff’s video ‘Corona – The Collapse of the System?’

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

No I have not…will have to look that one up…many thanks for the reference.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

The Great Reset is a program for the greedy elites to accumulate as much wealth as possible while we starve to death.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

These greedy people only think about their needs, not ours. Don’t let them get away with it. Reset the Globalists!

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

‘A fascistic financial coup’.

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

The problem arises where the rubber meets the road, so to speak.

The BoE cannot print employment (only the dole). Nor can it print the real goods and energy that comprise our trade deficit. Once international bond and exchange markets decide (usually on a dime) that a current account deficit is untenable, they will collapse the value of the currency, and with it the ability of a country to sustain such a deficit.

One way or another, we’re all going to be poorer.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

Yes I very much concur with that. Sooner or later there has to be a re-engagement of the real and nominal economies. John Major’s terrible government managed to survive walking on water with the ERM for two years but eventually he was forced out of the system (as you say…on a dime) on Black Wednesday and the pound devalued substantially after.

Its a bit like the old Tom and Jerry cartoons where Tom used to walk off a cliff and carry on walking for a while until he looked down and then woooosh!

I shall have to watch some Tom and Jerry again…might cheer me up a bit…I liked Spike the best!

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

“Turning on a dime” is indeed the likely way that economic collapse will happen. In the real world there are farms and factories working with physical resources and producing goods, and unless there is nuclear war these resources and goods continue to to exist. But in the world of high finance there are just numbers on spreadsheets,which can change in an instant. Before the 2008 financial crash, there would be occasional letters in newspapers warning that prosperity couldn’t be created on a mountain of debt. The “experts” would reply that these unsophisticated amateurs didn’t understand modern economic theory. But the amateurs were eventually proved right. Subsequently the collapsed system has been patched up but it won’t take much for it to collapse again.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Edward

Agree totally with that. Economists are classic group thinkers. If you looked at so called econometric economic forecasts before the crash they all copied each other plus or minus 1 percent. Not one predicted the crash and they all poo pooed the idea that it could happen. Of course after it happened you could not find anyone who did not think it was just round the corner. Economists are even worse than scientists.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

WuFlu is cover for implementing MMT and UBI.

Under those paradigms the central banks can simply print up as much stimulus cash as needed to cover the dole, forever.

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Sylvia Priest
Sylvia Priest
4 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

No-one seem To have mentioned nurse who passed out “in pain” after getting vaccine in USA on You Tube . How long does it take before you pass out with “vaccine” poison ? Do wé have update on those who have had job ?

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Sylvia Priest
Sylvia Priest
4 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

JAB

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Kevin 2
Kevin 2
4 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

In the nurses case, it took 17 minutes apparently..
From the trials, it would appear that most serious adverse reactions occurred after the booster jab, which is either 21 days or 28 days depending on whether it is Pfizer or Moderna (which looks like getting a similar EUA).

Watch this space….

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

I thought she fainted because she had a face mask on and couldn’t breathe properly.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia Priest

I passed out in a parking lot just minutes after taking a Polio shot back in the early 60s.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

And this is the life most of the people I know seem to want!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

I don’t believe that.

I think the majority yearn for a return to normality.

They are so qiescent, because they think the vaccine will bring that back,

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I hope they are right for their sake but somehow I suspect they are not.

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago
Reply to  Scotty87

almost every day this year there has been new fear porn in the media, wave after wave of stories to induce fear, there’s never much ‘good’ news and it’s tiring to say the least and i don’t listen to any tv/radio news to avoid most of the crap and just skim a couple internet sites! But this is the way of the media these days who are desperate for clickbate sensational stories for the believing masses.
But i predict it will be more of the same hysteria, every week will be ramping up the stories, cases/new super strains etc etc etc – most of it rubbish as we know.
I wish there was somewhere I could escape the madness. Thankfully this site offers some sanity, discussion and humour on the situation.

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago

Awful news coming out of Sweden and Austria

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

I REPEAT: HOW THE F××K CAN COMMUTERS WORK FROM HOME????

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Danny
Danny
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Didn’t you know? Everyone in the UK can work from their laptop whilst the kids play in the large garden before the whole family sits down to some homemade Rye bread for lunch and watches a Netflix documentary about class divide.
So selfish of you. Honestly.

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Paulus
Paulus
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Don’t forget we all gather round the Fire Pit and have more than one dinning table in our mansions!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Paulus

The outdoor fire pit. Last used in the Mesolithic.

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Chris John
Chris John
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

But an awesome way to cook meat! Which only team men can do, the zombie bedwetters ( haven’t used that in a while!) use an app on the phone to magic the food to their homes, already cooked.
The dumbing down of civilisation ,when people can’t make a fire or protect their family units from predators and the like

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris John

Lets reinstate ‘bedwetters’! the bastards deserve it and lets face it none in the cult can be reached anyway so why worry about alienating them?

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

The mesolithic is where we are headed annie, although before we get there maybe some green guru ought to check out the ‘carbon footprint’ of mesolithic agriculture. The only creature allowed to cut down trees these days is a beaver (they are sacred apparently, we aren’t).

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

I do apologise.
Also: When HS2 is finally finished, these essential workers on their once a year journey into London will be able to have the whole train to themselves.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

and HS2 is a farce. The business case that was used was based on the savings made in unproductive time for the 30 minute reduction in journey time from Manchester to London . Even before lockdown and home working, this was no longer relevant as everyone worked on laptops on the train anyway. The only real benefit of HS2 was increased capacity but this could be provided in far cheaper ways

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kf99
kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

And if it’s about capacity why is it high speed. a normal speed railway could take bends around historic woodlands, etc. Some insider admitted the only real capacity benefit is a few more commuter trains on the Northampton-Milton Keynes-Euston route. How many people will still be doing that?

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago
Reply to  kf99

The only context in which HS2 makes sense, is one where the personal automobile is a thing of the past. That’s where they want to take us.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

They are going to need thousands of charging stations. In the cities and throughout the countryside. More blight.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

There won’t be a better description of the Lockdown Fanatic than this

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Not rye bread, banana bread. Didn’t you get the memo?

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Yes its funny I never realised how many shops now seem to be run as hobbies? I am sure that was not the case when I was a child in the 1960s…I am sure in those days they were all run in order to provide an income from the owner. Its the ‘hobby’ businesses who have been the most craven and obnoxious in implementing the rules. Boycott these bastards!

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

So is the rye bread more or less substantial food than a Scotch egg?

Asking for a friend…

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Schrodinger
Schrodinger
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Note that Wealthy professionals may have preexisting immunity.

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annie
annie
4 years ago

A bit of encouragement from Lord Byron.

Yet, Freedom! yet thy banner, torn, but flying,
Streams like the thunder-storm AGAINST the wind;
Thy trumpet-voice, though broken now and dying,
The loudest still the tempest leaves behind;
Thy tree hath lost its blossoms, and the rind,
Chopped by the axe, looks rough and little worth,
But the sap lasts,—and still the seed we find
Sown deep, even in the bosom of the North;
So shall a better spring less bitter fruit bring forth.

Childe. Harold’s Pilgrimage, canto 4, stanza 98.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

PS. He knew about zombies too:

…men grow pale
Lest their own judgments should become too bright,
And their free thoughts be crimes, and earth have too much light.

XCIV.
And thus they plod in sluggish misery,
Rotting from sire to son, and age to age,
Proud of their trampled nature, and so die,
Bequeathing their hereditary rage
To the new race of inborn slaves, who wage
War for their chains, and rather than be free,
Bleed gladiator-like, and still engage
Within the same arena where they see
Their fellows fall before, like leaves of the same tree.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

My favourite;

Epitaph to a Dog

Near this Spot
are deposited the Remains of one
who possessed Beauty without Vanity,
Strength without Insolence,
Courage without Ferosity,
and all the Virtues of Man without his Vices.
This praise, which would be unmeaning Flattery
if inscribed over human Ashes,
is but a just tribute to the Memory of
BOATSWAIN, a DOG,
who was born in Newfoundland May 1803,
and died at Newstead Nov.r 18th, 1808.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Thank you annie, will dig out my dusty Byron, later..

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

Thousands of visitors visit this site.. and we apparently have a government that rules by pleb poll results.. so why not get on YouGov and give them the right answers:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/boris-johnson-approval-rating

Presuming of course that the Chinese aren’t doing an art of war on YouGov. I mean, if I were them.. I’d be on there. War without weapons. A tishoo a tishoo only Chinese people fell down. Actors.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

because yougov is a con. it is either instant votes which are not validated which means that 77th or others can use bots to provide the correct results, or proper validated polls where (as already identified by others on this site) anyone with incorrect views is weeded out and not invited to participate.
But it works – the sheep believe the polls .

And good to see comment editing is working again !!

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Opinion polls are a means of influencing public opinion not measuring it.
The questions are loaded and even then do you think it’s beyond this government to make the results up.
It is so clear now that the government have an agenda and only mass civil disobedience will stop them.
Parliament,The press and the courts are all closed to us.
This continued nightmare of on/off lockdowns will only end when enough people refuse to comply.
I have a friend who works with the police with CCTV.They have new cameras which are just checking mask compliance.This is what we are up against.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

They dont have ‘fucking useless’ as an option normally

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Louieg
Louieg
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I’m alwYs on You gov giving them hell, don’t worry!!

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davews
davews
4 years ago

Felt really low last night and not much better this morning. BBC going on about the ‘new strain’, thought we might have some facts here but guess there are none. Whatever cases in my town do seem to be shooting up and yesterday with 26k positive tests on the dashboard something very suspicious is going on. Or it could just be a new common cold which is doing the rounds, seems normal for this time of year.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

not positive tests……… “tests which have shown a positive result”. more wrong results because of more testing . And i have had a stinker of a cold the last couple of days. I should really have gone and got my test which would show i am dying of covid

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Chris John
Chris John
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

With COVID or of COVID that is the question

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robnicholson
robnicholson
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

I’ve stopped listening to the BBC – negative spin on almost everything

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TC
TC
4 years ago

Hello,
It’s probably been already done but could someone please guide me to where I can find reliable information as to how many people in the UK have probably had the virus which has been doing the rounds now for about a year or so I think?
I suspect I may have had it last October (2019) when I was diagnosed with “a bit of pneumonia” although innoculated against pneumonia (still,as we know vaccines aren’t necessarily reliable).

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  TC

The figures are all very odd, the NHS dashboard says that nearly 2 million people have tested +ve for Sars-Cov2, it also says that nearly 47 million tests have been carried out. The ONS and others do try and estimate the total number who have had Covid but this varies from around 2 million to 19 million. You do feel that in the end we will run out of victims but having got their claws in this deep I cannot see Uberfuhrer Johnson and his miserable Junta giving up this level of totalitarian control, Totalitarianism is like a drug and they are now well and truly hooked on it and we all suffer.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

You have to include the asymptomatic “sufferers” before testing was ramped up. They become immune according to the logic of R.

So very likely we’ve all had it about 5 times now.

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TC
TC
4 years ago
Reply to  TC

Thank you for the replies.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago

Ok, that’s it. I’m calling it: Peak Insanity.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

I’ve just realised why Bojo’s hair looks messier than usual. He’s going bald. And he’s doing that age old trick of spreading it around.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Or perhaps he’s Gary Glitter in disguise.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Or maybe Rolf Harris?

“Can you see what it is yet?”

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

He’s certainly spreading something around. Not sure it’s hair.

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Chris John
Chris John
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

His seed. There are some women out there who dodged a bullet by spitting his seed instead

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Been spreading it around for a long time

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Yes, overhead cameras in HoC give the game away. Should get a ‘Trump’ and spray himself orange for good measure.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Sounds like Carrie will be off soon then.

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I believe the technical term is ‘crafty combing’.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago

How often are these weirdo’s up in court? And if you’re some kind of man who thinks he’s a lady then you’re not doing a very good job if people can’t tell you apart. Here’s my rule if you want someone to use a specific pronoun then you’re cunt. Fuck you you absolute midden. Why the fuck should i have to do anything these fucking weirdo’s want? Here’s the deal i can think of anyone any fucking way i choose and they can just fucking lump it. They are free to think anyway about me. See how that works there? We’re all free to say what the hell we want. It seems to me weirdo’s who think they’re some mystical gender are not nice people and seem obsessed in forcing others to bend to their way of thinking. Makes me wonder what some fucked up gender wanker is in court for anyway, probably a nonce.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

If Government Ministers and MPs’ salaries were negatively affected by lockdowns – there would be no lockdowns

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AwrP4o6_tN1f9iMAqhcM34lQ;_ylu=Y29sbwNpcjIEcG9zAzIEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj?p=nhs+crisis+headlines+photos&fr=ipad&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly91ay5zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tL3NlYXJjaDtfeWx0PUF3ckpTNWV1dE4xZm1Xd0FUUUVNMzRsUTtfeWxjPVgxTURNVE0xTVRJeE1qZ3hNZ1JmY2dNeUJHWnlBMmx3WVdRRVozQnlhV1FEWlhkQmMyaElXa3RTTlhGellqTkJhbUpRZDJ0dVFRUnVYM0p6YkhRRE1BUnVYM04xWjJjRE5BUnZjbWxuYVc0RGRXc3VjMlZoY21Ob0xubGhhRzl2TG1OdmJRUndiM01ETUFSd2NYTjBjZ01FY0hGemRISnNBekFFY1hOMGNtd0RNamNFY1hWbGNua0RibWh6SlRJd1kzSnBjMmx6SlRJd2FHVmhaR3hwYm1WekpUSXdjR2h2ZEc5ekJIUmZjM1J0Y0FNeE5qQTRNelkxTWpRND9wPW5ocytjcmlzaXMraGVhZGxpbmVzK3Bob3RvcyZmcjI9c2ItdG9wJmZyPWlwYWQ&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAALXUQAFVrvF25rOOLChKIXBue6-83Hsexba13g0nl-diML_soooLIEY0wh3sfjoGbMXtAh1K2oRljJWYCyIUW71diReaa_xdH-Qs84edeC7cg7_o4Q1215L1BmZKfcUvlX3jwpQSh4BK9wqre8tUz26l1eZLePJaXEPcuhf8nOO

A brief search of any newspaper will come up with headlines like this every winter and not just in this country. Any government, of whatever political stance, is terrified of being accused of neglecting the health system.
This year, our government has been given the opportunity of making itself look like it saved the NHS. This second lockdown was never needed but was probably planned back in the spring because it would act as a cover for the usual winter health crisis.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

This is why I’m so angry with the mainstream media, because it has cultivated this situation. Goebbels was guilty of crimes against humanity and so too are the BBC, Sky News et al.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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TJS123
TJS123
4 years ago

All credit to the marvellous local farm shop (and they sell lots of other lovely stuff too!) Darts Farm in Topsham near Exeter. They held an outdoor carol service with a band and are getting an absolute pasting from nasty, joyless commentators who werent even there. Many threatening never to shop there again. The same old cliches about grannies, ventilators and spikes. Seek ’em out on Facebook and maybe give them some positive, supportive comments.

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

Great place – I always have a browse when I am in the region! And I grew up in Topsham (lucky me!), so always enjoy hearing about the area.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

Great fish and chips too. Although the chippy in Polsloe, just at the bridge, beats it.

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Cbird
Cbird
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

Good for them. Would have gone if I’d known

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

I just posted a positive comment on there but f**k me some of the comments on there shows how hysterically moronic the general public are

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TJS123
TJS123
4 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

Yep, unbelievable. I usually think we in the southwest are more pragmatic and sensible but clearly not! My son is visiting from several counties away and we went to the pub for a meal. Arrest me now.
I am also rather pissed off as the “visit” I was allocated to look at my mother for 15 minutes for the first time since she went into a home 6 weeks ago has been cancelled. The home is shut down till mid Jan as some residents have tested pisitive. All asymptomatic though….

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  tonyspurs

There was a farm shop in the US that resisted lockdowns and masking for a weekend.

The Covidian mob absolutely lost its mind on their Facebook page.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

Yes we salute them and yes let the killjoys fuck off and shop somewhere shit.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Make them grow their own food.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago

I think people have been obedient until now because they assumed things were going back to normal. As a propaganda thing on the BBC said the other day “Why be the last to die just as the vaccine arrives?”. But as I think we can all tell (as predicted), that the vaccine isn’t going to be allowed to be the magic bullet. Might people now realise that there is no point in not risking dying, if this is what life is going to be from now on?

Anyway, I think the government knows this, and the “new strain” is the last roll of the Covid dice. I predict the “cyber attack” is the new tactic.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I’ve been getting the same feeling that a cyber attack is coming in the next phase, probably within days. Lots of small pieces link together. There is no way to wind-down from the Coronavirus lies without risking a “Nuremberg”. They need something really big to make us forget Covid. In the best case they’ll take the power down for a few days and freeze a few Scots (but then how will they deliver the propaganda without the beeb, and won’t people start talking again?). In the worst case maybe they’ll blow a nuclear power station. I really hope I’m wrong.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
4 years ago

I had a realisation of how far we have to go in an online work meeting with about seven colleagues this week when some of my truer feelings came out. I said to them “Are you really happy about this carrying on indefinitely?” To which the general response was “well, it’s only going to be a few more months, isn’t it?” I went a bit further and said: “Does it not bother you how many of our basic freedoms we’ve had to give up?” They looked at me like I was an alien. None of them answered. The question was just left hanging in the air.

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davews
davews
4 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

And talking to friends the other day (at our carol service recording) one said ‘well we have been doing it for the last four months’. I reminded him that it was actually nine months…

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Sarah Needham
Sarah Needham
4 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

I agree and that kind of attitude makes me feel deeply sad! My own mum and grown up daughter know this is blown out of proportion but they wear the mask as they don’t want confrontation 🙁 . I never wear one! When I press them that the masks may be here to stay they seem to accept it even with the knowledge of this whole thing being a big shit show. Hard not to feel angry with them. Why don’t people care?????

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Sarah N
Sarah N
4 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

I agree!. My mum and grown up daughter know this is all bollox but they both wear the mask as they don’t want confrontation…. I never wear one! When I suggest that mask may become the norm they shrug, and say so be it…. That to me is SO depressing and worse coming from the most important people to me. AND they know these measures are nonsense. Why don’t people care???

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

The answer is too frightening and cannot be voiced.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Exactly – just as abused children try to make up stories to explain the actions of their parents.

The alternative, that their parents are evil, and that they are powerless, is too awful to contemplate.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

They absolutely know the line where self censorship lies. No integrity

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

The BBC had a programme on (Newsnight I think) last night saying that COVID has killed more ‘civilians’ than were killed in WW2 in the UK. I just looked it up, it is correct(if we compare with the fixed government figures). Why dont they show data on past flu epidemics, or stats of how many die of cancer, heart disease etc ie all cause mortality for the past 10 years then everything will be framed correctly. Why? Because its all part of the agenda of scaring people who watch shitless.

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago
Reply to  Now More Than Ever

i don’t think the majority of people actually think too deeply about the situation and the impacts to society, economy etc as long as ‘i’m ok jack’. They really don’t compute the loss the freedom at all and just go along with the government dicktats as they believe that gov are protecting them, and cannot believe that they would put in laws that are not necessarily for the good of public but for their own arse saving or other external mandates. Once you recognise this then can see the whole shitshow for what it is.

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55372743 the British Propaganda Corporation is at it again. In previous years hospitals have been running at 97% capacity. What I really don’t understand is why they expect hospitals to run at 85% capacity, what is the spare 15% for but to allow for peaks in admissions? Therefore there’s already built in to the system spare capacity, which is used up every year to different degrees. If manufacturing were run in the same way you would be concerned at only 85% productivity and be looking to either increasing productivity or reducing costs.
I really despair at the complete lack of any critical evaluation by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine, the Royal College of Nursing, and the Royal college of GPs.
This is from the Nursing Times, it is paywalled but the first few lines encapsulate the sentiment of the whole piece https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/coronavirus/government-must-be-clearer-on-risks-of-christmas-mixing-warns-rcn-18-12-2020/

I have around 11 weeks before I retire as a registered nurse practitioner and I can’t say that I’ll be sorry, had you asked me 12 months ago you’d have got a different answer.

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kf99
kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

BBC’s focus on long covid last night reached a new low. A grudging “most recover eventually” was thrown in. Then on the local news an interesting feature on MS research. You don’t recover from that. The contrast was stark.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

85% on less beds. In Northern Ireland it’s at levels of about 75% of beds normally available and so they can say capacity is hit without any real context. Never reported

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Will
Will
4 years ago

On the ONS data, FreeCumbria reported yesterday that the ONS have failed, for the second week running, to release the findings of their survey which has been one of the more reliable indicators of the direction in which infection rates are moving, even if it exaggerates the numbers by a considerable factor. I suspect they haven’t released the data because it doesn’t fit the model which is churning out the 567300 figure. Of pernicious note is that everyones’ favourite C U Next Tuesday is back doing his rounds of the Reich ministry of Propaganda and Public Enlightenment’s studios….

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Cbird
Cbird
4 years ago

Posted yesterday – a longish watch but well worth it. Particularly the ethical behavioural scientist at the start who sets out just how the vile, unprincipled government and its SAGE advisers go about their filthy, manipulative work. Very interesting analysis of their methods and strategy – which is being demonstrating in these latest manipulations. And of course the redoubtable Mike Yeadon. From Recovery/Unlocked tv. Can be viewed without logging in to Facebook.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=179279657247591&id=112364983833705

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Cbird
Cbird
4 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

Apparently one of the tactics is to deny they’re going to do something, just to introduce the idea, followed by “sorry but we had to…”. Sick.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

Incrementalism and using narrative to create self-fulfilling prophecy are tried and true political techniques.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
4 years ago

Torygraph:

“ On Friday, Boris Johnson was asked whether England would follow Northern Ireland, which is introducing a six-week lockdown from Boxing Day.
He said: “We’re hoping very much that we will be able to avoid anything like that. But the reality is that the rates of infection have increased very much in the last few weeks.”

Have they Boris? Infections of WHAT, exactly?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

They have detected possible Infections of scepticism and dissention and I believe this Government are now hooked on the drug of totalitarianism and will do all they can to cling on to this power that they have grabbed.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

Insanity?

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Cbird
Cbird
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

As I said…

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

Stupidity.

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Mars-in-Aries
Mars-in-Aries
4 years ago

Look on the bright side. You now have time to read all those books on your bookshelf you had been always meaning to read, but somehow never never had the time to do.

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
4 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

Conversely, I have neglected to do many of those cultural and ‘artistic’ things I always intended to devote my retirement to. Instead, I have spent literally nearly every waking hour of every day researching on the internet the latest government and media propaganda and the efforts of people of integrity to voice their opposition and provide evidence of the lies. I am sure I am not the only one.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago

Hyperinflation will wake a few sleepy zealots up. Lets hope it comes sooner rather than later. If you’re going through hell, then go through quickly.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

No bloody thanks. Look what followed hyperinflation in Germany.

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

The difference being that this time we got the nazis BEFORE the hyper-inflation!

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Les Tricoteuses
Les Tricoteuses
4 years ago

I see many posts of the type
“It makes no sense”
“The money will run out”
“Overwhelming evidence”
“This govt”
Etc etc
The problem is we’re using the wrong frame of reference to try and understand events. There has been a paradigm shift in governments across the world. Everything would make perfect sense if you use the right frame. We are fighting with the eyes of the blind.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

For me the paradigm shift is that governments have realised they can get away with almost anything now, using the magic instrument of fear of death.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

What all dictators do

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

Great post!

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago

I was listening to a podcast about the economy last night, and how the current system has reached the limits of expansion of its bubble and literally cannot be sustained any longer. It had a good run over eighty years, with several ‘boosters’ along the way to keep it expanding, but the end has been reached. There simply is no way to keep it growing and also honour the accumulated debts (my simpleton’s interpretation). So it was either going to be a total crash, or a ‘controlled reset’.

If so, what did we expect? The old system could not continue. I find it pretty convincing that some way had to be found to deal with it. Everyone who thought they had a guaranteed, comfortable retirement and wealth to pass on to their kids should probably be beginning to realise that it will not happen. By hook or by crook, those in debt will be released from most of those debts, and those with savings will be ‘relieved’ of most of those savings.

I could just about cope with that – and the use of the “pandemic” as the tactic to do it. What worries me more is that ideologically-motivated people are sensing an opportunity to go full fascist on the back of it, and people like our PM are being persuaded by ‘green’ zealots (and girlfriends) that this is a good idea.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I’m not convinced by that. Is it the way to deal with debt by putting more companies and individuals into debt and increasing government debt? There is evidence however that lockdowns increase most people’s savings. So it could be looked at as a compuslory savings scheme but a very odd one – and unlikely to match the additional £400 billion of government debt.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

My take on that is that it assumes that the old economy is still operating, whereas I think that the current government spending splurge isn’t debt accumulation, but simple printing of tokens that will later be found to be worthless. So the ‘debts’ we’re currently incurring aren’t real. The idea is to genuinely reset the economy so that the old debts and savings are gone.

Edit: You’ll know much more about this than I do. What about hyperinflation, with free electricity, food parcels etc. for those who eventually run out of money? Savings and debts would be rendered worthless. Assets would be forfeit for the state to redistribute.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I agree. While some think this all about climate change policy, you can bet what worries the globalists more than anything is the financial system. Its been ever thus.

I’d say at the very least we head back to 1980s style depression if this is managed well. If not, it’s 1920s Germany.

Last edited 4 years ago by BeBopRockSteady
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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Come to the Cabaret…

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The State already does redistribute.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

savings eventually get spent and they are not the governments to covet. Cash for the public is what they should be keeping, bank deposits arent worth a carrot, so holding cash is positive for the individual, unless investing in stocks bonds or properties. For the vast majority that is a pipe dream

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

All monetary systems have failed. No reason to think that ours is in any way exceptional. 80 years is a stretch however. The current system was reset in the 1970s with the US withdrawing from the Gold Standard.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

In the podcast I was listening to, that was just one of the ‘boosters’.

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Which podcast were you listening to (please)?

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago

Interesting write up on Austria today.

Austria did “Mass Test” 2 million people over the last couple of weeks. What were the results? Same results as achieved by the mass testing of UK students and Liverpool etc. All regions with less than 0.55% positives. Covid has practically vanished from among the population in Austria.

https://metropole.at/coronavirus-in-austria-december-14/

So ignoring the results of the first mass testing exercise, Austria now plans more mass testing in January, but after their next lockdown. This time there appears to be an incentive for people to get tested…..

“VIENNA (Reuters) -Austria will go into its third coronavirus lockdown after Christmas and lift it earlier for people who get tested, the government said on Friday, just 11 days after its second lockdown ended.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/austria-third-lockdown-christmas-media-102622196.html

When will this nonsense end?

Last edited 4 years ago by theanalyst
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Les Tricoteuses
Les Tricoteuses
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

No.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

I edited the final question at the last minute – previously it read “Will this nonsense ever end?” “No” is a good response to that question.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Or never..

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Never..they are just getting started Everything up to know was to condition the people for the complete totalitarian state that will be everywhere.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Reading the article is almost comical in the complexity of the system. Maybe it shouldn’t be a surprise as they seem to be in the best bureaucratic traditions of the Austrian Hungarian Empire. You enter the State Opera in Vienna and show your negative LFT. Which one should it be? The one you bought on the secret market the same day, a test 72 hours ago, seven days ago? We all know that the minute after you have taken a negative LFT, you can be exposed again and wait for the 7-10 incubation time. But even worse, according to the morons in charge, you can become a dangerous asymptomatic spreader for weeks. Beside that LFT can have up to 30% false negative result.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

“All regions with less than 0.55% positives.”

… and that is just ‘positives’ = junk data.

So, I wonder what the real infection rate is?

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

There was a thread yesterday about the wheels coming off the bus and this had been happening for ages. To continue that scenario, it appears it’s now hurtling down a busy street completely out of control. It will crash and stop, but who and how many it will take out is anybodies guess.

Last edited 4 years ago by PoshPanic
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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Lockdown Lovers have already been writing hit pieces saying lateral flow tests are simply missing many positives. And not fit for purpose.

All roads lead to lockdown

here in the UK it will be lateral flow followed by PCR if positive.

Last edited 4 years ago by BeBopRockSteady
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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

The true believers finding their God of scientism in a specific test.

Ffs.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

They used to lead to Rome.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Polls = Policy = Hysteria = MSM

Policy = Hysteria = MSM = Polls

Hysteria = MSM = Polls = Policy

MSM = Polls = Policy = Hysteria

Can be read left to right, right to left, in columns top to bottom or bottom to top

Whatever way you read it you get the same result

My favourites are diagonally top left to bottom right Polls=Hysteria=Polls= Hysteria

Or, bottom left to top right MSM=MSM=MSM=MSM

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

A lot of truth in what you say but polls are manipulated and someone is spinning the wheel.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

A drugged, masked hamster.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Brilliant Cecil!

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

you missed one
Policy > Propaganda > MSM > Hysteria > Rigged Polls > Policy

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Will
Will
4 years ago

On Sweden, I cannot help the feeling that their seasonal blip is actually further evidence of the completely destructive waste of time that is lockdown. Sweden’s voluntary measures have been so “effective” that even they have suppressed the virus to the extent that they have seen a substantial seasonal recurrence.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

The latest news from there is deeply depressing and disturbing, but at least they’ve saved me a dilemma. We were thinking of going to spend some time there next year to escape the worst of this madness but I doubt it’s worth the upheaval now.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes I keep daydreaming about emigrating somewhere sane, but really, where is there to go? Tanzania?

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

This seasonal upsurge just reveals everything. SD, lockdowns, endless modifications are pure theatre. You have either cheap theatre as in Sweden, expensive theatre aa in UK or absurd theatre as in Austria as reported today.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Spot on.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Wonder if WEF had a word with the main royal

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Suze Burtenshaw
Suze Burtenshaw
4 years ago

Sad and beautiful. I live life in my head now. Except this morning, there was a song thrush singing its heart out nearby, and that, being outside my head, was something still wonderful in this very unwonderful time. Small things.

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Francesca
Francesca
4 years ago

Just out of house arrest/isolation. 1 household member with positive test result. Other 2 members of household completely healthy. Either false positive,not very contagious or our immunity working just fine!

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Francesca

Recent research (sorry – can’t put my finger on the reference) shows that even within-household transmission is 50% or lower. So the ‘highly infectious’ label is another bit of bollxspeak.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I posted yesterday that my son owns a house and two of his friends live with him. They all work in a lab together too. The one who eats turkey twizzlers and junk food is positive, the two who eat fresh food and cook their own food are negative. They are together 7 days a week almost 24 hours a day. How would wittless and unbalanced explain that, or wancock?

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago

Just hoping that the action taken to stop the mutation isn’t outdoor muzzling.

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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Hadn’t thought of that. Of course it will.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Doesn’t bear thinking about

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

It already invalidates muzzling, but masks work, so it’s more masks.

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AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
4 years ago

What has become of Professor Carl Heneghan?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

What makes you think something has become of him?

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AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

He hasn’t written anything or been in the news for over a month. I mentioned him on Spectator Coffee House a couple of days ago and was told he’d fallen by the wayside but given no explanation. Was wondering if anyone here knew anything.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

He has tweeted fairly recently

Maybe he has lost heart a bit

He doesn’t seem the type to “fall by the wayside”

Being in the news requires access – for an inconvenient sceptic, that is limited

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

Still on twitter

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

It doesn’t matter where he is,no one in Government is listening.As Mike Yeadon has pointed it out;it’s inconceivable that Whitty and Vallance don’t know the truth.
The regime are using a dodgy test to falsely imprison the whole country.As pointed out in the update they will rebrand lockdown 3 as Tier 4.This will be in concert with many other European countries and American states.
It beggars belief that anyone who is paying attention cannot see what this is.This is not business as usual Government incompetence.
It is a worldwide fascist takeover for reasons which are up for debate;whether to forestall an economic collapse or cause one to build back better in a zero carbon way.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

I’ve still not found out what’s happened to the broken hearted never mind adding Carl Heneghan to the list

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AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

I’m lifetime banned from Twitter. For misgendering, if you were wondering!

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

How dare xi!

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

you need to have a conversation with Biker 🙂

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

I’m almost tempted to go on Twitter to see how quickly I can get banned.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Edward

Use gobbledygook.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

How to take over Twitter? Looks impossible. One wrong word, like gobbledygook, and you’re finished.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

Hopefully not deterred by Wanksock’s ‘outlier’ comment

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

He’s been releasing papers recently. One on heart disease and another meta review on Covid.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Are these sort of people even worth saving?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1340041933675237378

Stupid is as stupid does.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Ha ha – Multipurpose Mask

You can’t make this up

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

No.

They need to stop stealing our air immediately.

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago

The Snot Patrol will be out again today, scavenging more mucous for the Cases Kraken.

Remember, no matter how hale and hearty you might feel, if you are “positive” then you are exuding Death from every pore and ought to be locked down, quarantined and terminated, both for your own good and to keep others safe.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

This from Freddie Sayers..Stockholm @ 38% pos for anti bodies..

https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1340190497525161985

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago

I just went to the shop and i thought i’d wear a mask and boy it was great, no really it was so liberating. For the first time during the worst Pandemic since the last pandemic of 2018 i felt part of the human race again. Me and all the other people queuing 2000 millimetres apart in our masks not looking at each other waiting on being served by people in masks. It was great. There was a new assistant in the shop and i must say even with the mask she was pretty fit, so i couldn’t see all her face, shame, but the rest of her was decent. Once i’d looked her up and down a few times i gots to wondering what was she gonna sound like. Was she a local or something more exotic, the anticipation caused me to have to adjust my stance, i hoped no one noticed. I started imagining she’d have a sexy Russian accent or sound like a Georgia Peach, maybe she’d be posh and sound like Lady Dianna. I tell you my heart beat was fluttering and i was blushing like my wife on our wedding night, i didn’t even mind this fat grunter of a woman in front taking ages because she’d ordered 4 bacon rolls and two square sausage rolls and a coffee. Then she spoke asking me what i wanted and i heard this thick Geordie accent, the kind that makes you want to involuntary shout “way eye man”, like when you hear a Yorkshire person speak you instantly want to say “ee ba goom”, i didn’t though because of my altered sate of reality i just said four rolls, a fudge doughnut and a cup cake please. I paid and she never spoke another word to me and i left the shop.
The simple question “what i wanted?” had never felt more urgent than it did then. What would one of the smart arse Zen guys i’ve read say? Did she not realise even if i ask for four rolls a fudge doughnut and a cup cake i might not receive that. Greek philosopher Miccus Jaggerus had said “you can’t always get what you want but you sometimes find you get what you need”, i’d never understood that zen parable and i still don’t. They might not have had any cup cakes and i’d have got, maybe a Mr Blobby Biscuit instead, it doesn’t matter, i didn’t need any of them so either would do.
How easy would it be for someone who’d read the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test to spike the hand sanitiser and everyone would be walking around tripping their bollocks off?
I was taking my morning constitutional as it is my habit and the visit to the shop a regular occurrence, a horrible task your body requires you to make if you wants to live. The masked Geordie fit chick, the fat woman with the four bacon rolls, two square sausage rolls and a coffee and myself all high as a Peruvian Medicine Man who’s just blew 33 crushed beetles up his hooter. Considering this as i was for what seemed like a hundred years i realised i still had my mask on, only because i’d stopped time the mask had become a permanent evolutionary change. As i started home i noticed everyone had the skin mask on, some of us were walking on all fours. I got home put the kettle on, placed the needle on a record and sat down at my laptop to see what was happening in the real world and suddenly remembered i’d had a smoke and the whole thing had been a dream except for the bit about going to the shop, the Geordie fit chick, the fat woman with the rolls, the dilemma over the cake or biscuit. And now as the hand sanitiser is wearing off it has occurred to me that for years i thought i enjoyed Herbie Hancock’s Headhunters but as it’s nearing the end of the first side i realise he’s just making this shit up as he goes along and it is fucking terrible music. I’m gonna change it and listen to something else.

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Biker on rare form today.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Alexei

why eye man!

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I knew this was a dream before the end of the first line.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Glad you didn’t go any further with the fudge doughnut part

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

some things really are just as they seem

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TC
TC
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Nothing wrong with Herbie Hancock – Matt H.- well that’s different.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  TC

Lee Morgan’s better.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I’ve never worn a muzzle in the UK, but I had to wear one in France and other countries (only when the fuzz were around). Did you have the same problem I have where my brain acts like I am wearing sunglasses and I start being a lot more investigative with my gaze?

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Try the Jimmy Smith & Wes Montgomery recording of ‘Night Train’. Use headphones. Jimmy’s solo is a knockout.

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

Kirstie Alley (@kirstiealley) Tweeted: https://t.co/hfk92r6220
https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/1339982288193531912?s=20

Love it!

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TheBigman
TheBigman
4 years ago

The new ‘strain’ is a red herring.

Keep drinking the kool aid.

Certainly don’t riot and take back your stolen liberties.

Also rule out for certain that there is no way but an electoral way put of this.

The only prison we’re in is the one of our own making.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago

I’ve long had the suspicion that we will have Lockdown 3: The Sequel to the Sequel after Christmas however if they think that by calling it another name like Tier 4, do they really think we’re that stupid?

If it walks like like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc….

This goes to show that the government are really hell bent on imposing a Carthaginian destruction of this country under the guise of safety and “protecting the NHS.” The day of reckoning can’t come soon enough for these clowns and ditto the NHS.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

“do they really think we’re that stupid?”

To be fair, mass behaviour hasn’t been exactly intelligent.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

They have tested us over the last 9 months and have found that yes,the population are that gullible and stupid.They will believe any old shit as long as it’s on the TV.
I had a degree of sympathy for the brainwashed because of the physiological attack that has been perpetrated on them,but no longer,no one has any excuse for still going along with this crap.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Agree. Seeing supposedly intelligent people fall for this has been the spectacle of the year.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I know people who are smart enough to see that a lot of this is theatre but still think that Something Must Be Done so are prepared to go along with it. I find that a slightly odd view – contradictory – but the brainwashing has been thorough

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The brainwashers and the brainwashed are in perfect sync. A wonderful symbiosis of lazy thinking and stupidity.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It’s not a suspicion it’s a fact.Germany,Netherlands Austria,Wales and Northern Island are already in or have announced lockdown 3.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago

How about this as a Christmas album?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pUXTNICcwU0&ab_channel=Stella_xioMeam

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

E17 is my favourite 😂

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

In response to the relatively low level of participation in rapid testing…..Austria announced on Friday it will enter its third coronavirus lockdown on December 26th, but those who take part in a planned series of mass testing programme in January will be allowed more freedoms.

Hope you like my re edit of the item re Austria

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Hitler was Austrian, they like it ordered over there

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

Reading the article from NYT in the update today about seriousness of C-19 in young people doesn’t bode well for the future. One of the authors is Michelle Wolensky,Biden’s choice for new CDC chief.

https://twitter.com/tlowdon/status/1339423737209229312

The new CDC Chief is praised as “clear, articulate & can deliver messages with a smile.” She’ll surely join the ranks of our greatest orators if she delivers eloquent gems like this: “Over time we will be able to maybe one day not be in our masks anymore.”

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The mask is a symbol of belief. It is so evident in America now.

Our kids are being tortured. This will not end without violence

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Rumour has it that (ok I know nobody cares what goes on in Wales) the Welsh Health Minister resigned on Friday

That’s why Eluned Nobody stood in at the press conference

Apparently he’s annoyed that the Rapists Dad reneged on the Christmas truce

He’s agreed to think it over during the weekend, but the chances are that he won’t change his mind and will gone Monday

Cracks appearing

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

May those cracks erupt into yawning fissures.

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kf99
kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

SNP public health “minister” sacked also for the drugs scandal.

The classic “someone you’d never heard of resigned from a job you didn’t know existed”

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  kf99

Amazing that anyone from that party was sacked/forced to resign for anything. It should have happened last year, whent the figures came out that showed the Scottish drug-related death rate is the worst in the Western world. This government is beyond scrutiny – nothing seems to matter with our useless opposition and the cult of personality around our Dear Leader, which is even worse now.

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Louieg
Louieg
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Let’s hope so!!

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Making way for a lockdown fanatic?

I often think, when people resign out of protest, you should have stayed and change the system from within.
Well, I guess sometimes you have to choose your battles to stay sane. Like I had to when I quit my job over this farce.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

Ye. It’s speculation.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

good luck, but I’m afraid there’s some history homework coming up.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

Reset the Globalists.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

I could honestly pay for an induced coma, life is really not worth living anymore. It was always going to be a shite winter but it’s only going to get worse next year. We are gaining in numbers but still losing.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I know exactly what you mean! Wake me up when it’s over. But it’s not going to be over unless we all keep pushing back in whatever ways we each can. Losing right now is fine, surrendering isn’t an option! Hang in there. I’ve really appreciated some of your positive posts of late.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Yes – I agree Charlie – it has been good to see DRW posting more positively the last week or so. Do some more of those things to fight back that you have been doing DRW – don’t go back again.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

if it comes to LD3 Im going to Mexico with the mrs to lie on the beach till we open up again. I need a fresh perspective on life to restore me, the darkness of depression is calling me, I can beat it off most times but sometimes it pokes its head in and causes me to say something I shouldnt usually to the missus. cant be helped sometimes shit happens, then i have to pay the price. lifes a bitch. I want the life on the beach so bojo lock us down and Ill go away to forget you, you fucking useless buffoon imbecile

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Politicians have made life living hell. Everyone has a right to end their lives if they want to. Where does Dignitas in Switzerland stand on assisted suicide to escape lockdown suffering?

I’m pretty much disgusted with humanity right now. The sheeple especially. Their fear and ignorance does not give them the right to destroy my life too

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Just hang on to 21st, the sun will start to return and with it hope.

But westward, look, the land is bright.

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Laura Suckling
Laura Suckling
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I need my Soma NOW!

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FrankiiB
FrankiiB
4 years ago

Do lockdowns CAUSE mutations and higher deaths?

I believe I have read this hypothesis before but have lost the link. If anyone has any scientific links please share. The theory is this:

Viruses naturally mutate, and the most successful become dominant. So, under lockdown, more infectious strains will be more successful and become dominant. Is this driving the new strain in Kent? What about South Wales? In South Wales the Welsh lockdown policy has failed and resulted in far higher numbers of cases than if there had been lighter measures, as in Bristol.

At a local level, some areas of central and west London have incredibly low levels of infection, despite being densely population, where disease spread should theoretically be highest. Maybe they have reached ‘endemic equilibrium’ and are close to herd immunity, due to higher rates of transmission in the ‘first wave’. Look at the TOTAL number of Covid deaths comparing these areas to areas such as South Wales. The totals are lower in inner London.

This suggests that it is better to let the virus spread in the first place, which will result in fewer more-infectious mutations, and faster herd immunity to protect the vulnerable more effectively. I suggest this because it is a different angle of attack on the lockdown fanatics who can’t get out of their heads that they think they are keeping people ‘safe’ and ‘saving lives.’ We know they are killing people from non-Covid illnesses, in their thousands, but for lockdowners only Covid matters. I’m suggesting that Lockdown is actually making Covid itself worse.

Am I wrong?

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

The Edinburgh Uni SPI-B study made references to such consequences. They suggested specifically closing schools led to more deaths. For lockdown lovers such a conclusion is so upsetting that it would be likely to cause their tiny brain to shutdown. To stay safe.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

I question what it means to be “more infectious” in this regard.

Does the virus travel faster through air or is it the same amount of virus floating around but it’s just easier for people to catch it?

To me it seems that all that is happening is that the virus is still spreading despite all the restrictions put in place and they have to come up with an explanation.

Just like before when they couldn’t work out why the virus was spreading despite people not showing symptoms…oh it must be asymptomatic spread.

So despite everything put in place to try to slow the spread, if observationally we still see the virus spreading then a seemingly logical conclusion would be…a more infectious strain.

But this assumes that all the actions taken have an effect in slowing the spread which we know is not necessarily the case.

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

I think you will find that ‘more infectious’ equates to ‘more testing’ and ‘more [false] positive results’. There is nothing scientific about the disingenuous political use of the term ‘more infectious’.

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Another One
Another One
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

“since public health interventions typically reduce outbreak size, we might
expect them to also reduce the total amount of evolution. However, this is not true.
The rate of evolution is determined by the difference in growth rate of infections
carrying the two different alleles (this is the selection coeffi cient in equation (1)),
whereas the total outbreak size is determined by the values of these growth rates
themselves. This is what evolutionary biologists refer to as the distinction between
relative versus absolute fi tness. So interventions like social distancing that fl atten
the curve can slow the rate at which an epidemic grows without slowing the
rate at which evolution occurs. Because such interventions typically extend the
duration of the epidemic, all else equal, they will thereby result in a greater total
amount of evolutionary change.”

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(20)30847-2.pdf

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago

I’ve just arrived at my underground fight club, enjoy your Saturday 👍🏻

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Spikedee1
Spikedee1
4 years ago

My problem is for the life of me I cannot see how they are going to get out of this self inflicted government mess. They have the ardent truth believers who want to castigated the non followers and punish the young for er!… being young. They want social distancing and masks and hand gunk for all. They cry about the dangers of a virus that they have a 99% chance of surviving, but cannot wait to take an untested vaccine with unknown long term effects. So now you have your acolytes in place how the hell do you end this? If you carry on doing 300,000 test because of the FPR you will always have high numbers of positives. So do you stop testing? How do you get out of this without admitting it was all bullshit? We have wasted the best summer in years when we could have ended it. Now do you wait for this summer? What about when you end furlough and the extra 1.5 million find out they no longer have a job? I do see some kickback but we are shit at organising anything. As the wonderful Shelby Lynne once said. Stumbled into a church, staring at the rafters, how much more can I hurt, hey old man, what are your plans for me, where am I bound? I’m looking up, till the next thing brings me down.

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Kevin 2
Kevin 2
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

It makes much more sense if you start from the premise that they have no intention to get out of this.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Spikedee1

Punishing the young. WW1, WW2, Vietnam War spring to mind. Here is a front page article from the NY Times on the day of Clyde Tombaugh’s discovery of Pluto. The article just to right is about controlling youth through the new Prohibition Laws:
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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

Prof Balloux, continues holding the centre ground. Maybe someone should tell Jacinda?

https://mobile.twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1340051715912036354

At the risk of coming across as a bit blunt, let me clarify that “we never acquired herd immunity for any respiratory virus through vaccination alone”. Some countries may achieve it for #COVID19, but this will be challenging in the absence of fraction of natural infections

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Lainey
Lainey
4 years ago

Anyone else struggling with their friends who are incompetence theorists – who are more savvy than MSM normies but just cannot see there’s a bigger agenda going on. I mean, if this is incompetence then funny it’s all designed in a way that maximises problems for small businesses whilst lining corporate pockets. I thought Trump and Brexit were difficult lines in the sand but they’re nothing compared to this.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

As long as they are anti lockdowns I am happy enough. There are people who have never contemplated such things in their life. I am constantly told I have an answer for everything when Covid is brought up from people who normally declare with pride they are “not into politics”.

So it’s a broad Church.

You have to hand it to the Great Resetters, their ability to maintain this shit show is impressive

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

No they simply bought all the main stream media…. baaa.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

So incompetent every government and quango on earth made the same mistake at the same time.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Or maybe they all share common human traits, as they are all human, all living on the same planet and all have access to the same information

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Aye, ok, pal. Whatever makes you feel better. The real ringleaders will continue on as they are while you think everyone else is just stupid or incompetent.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/group-overseeing-10-trillion-called-guardians-inclusive-capitalism-signs-partnership

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

I’m not your pal

It doesn’t make me feel better – only a return to sanity will do that

“You think everyone else is just stupid or incompetent” What do you know about what I think?

Who are the real ringleaders and what according to you is mechanism by which they are leading this ring?

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Read the above, pal. When just one of your funds is valued at $10 trillion and you are partnering with institutions like the Vatican to make capitalism ‘inclusive’, what do you think?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Jesus wept

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Real ringleaders as identified by an hysterical US website? Fine

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Haha, keep burying your head in the sand of the incompetence desert.

https://www.inclusivecapitalism.com/

Members here, Rothschilds represented, as per:

https://www.inclusivecapitalism.com/our-guardians/

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

No they didn’t. Check again. But then for you Truthers, original documentation is so inconvenient, eh?

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

When it personally affects them. No earlier, no later.

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

How the hell cant people see that? How do public sector workers not see that ultimately they won’t be needed in such large numbers?

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

It’ll be worse for them because they aren’t mentally prepared.

I have noticed that “incompetence theorists” tend to be the most sanctimonious and smug out of everyone. I think it’s because their theory essentially implies that the are privileged and superior for having “noticed” the incompetence.

Other people e.g. sceptics, zealots, the indifferent, the terrified etc. are just as likely to be embattled, disinterested, insecure, zen, curious, or whatever their chosen poison is.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

As opposed to the all-seeing Truthers? Yeah, right.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

I can’t wait to see their faces when they are thrown to the wolves along with the rest of us,I can hear them now,’but,but we did everything we were told to’.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I wonder when 1m NHS workers will be laid off?
I’m never using their services again – if I get something, I get it. Can’t trust them anyway now

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I hope very soon if they got rid of all those useless managers and administrators.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

They have a mental block.I think it’s because the truth is terrifying and would mean totally evaluating their world view.Despite all its faults,up to now this country has been one of the best places to reside in the whole of human history.We haven’t been invaded for a 1000 years and restrictions on personal liberty were few.
This has changed and people cannot process that.They believe the government is ultimately benign because they always have been in living memory.

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Funkmaster
Funkmaster
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

The great psychologist Dorothy Rowe says something very similar regarding a definition of mental illness and depression. When what you perceive to be true is shown to be false, that’s when fissures start to appear and ones whole set of assumptions collapse. Not a good place to be as I can testify from personal experience!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

I don’t think I have a mental block. I am terrified enough by the madness, whatever other ulterior motives there are.

The thought that there are people manipulating events isn’t any more terrifying than the ease with which people are fooled and controlled. There will always be people who try to gain power over others who are not honest about their motives, that cannot be eradicated, it’s how we let it happen that is scary

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

But it’s always a shadowy figure and everybody who is filthy rich has evil motives and is out to enslave you or whatever… And NONE of it stands up to scrutiny. Sadly the tinfoil hat hysterics have latched onto lockdown scepticism. Govt shills maybe.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

I can sympathize with people thinking it is incompetence. I actually suspect that many western world leaders aren’t (or weren’t) in on this. The likes of Boris and Handjob would never be trusted with it, because they are terminally incompetent and would screw it up. Once people like Boris critically compromised themselves with their own stupid actions, they may have been let in on the real plan. The masterminds behind this have ensured that elected leaders are incompetent morons through many decades of manipulation. They probably simulated the world response thoroughly and nudged it when it deviated from the plan.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

Who are these “incompetence theorists” of which you speak, and what do you think they think?

What’s your theory? Please paint a picture of the mechanisms you think are at work, exactly.

I struggle with people who seek to create and accentuate divisions within the anti lockdown community, rather than focusing on the basic truth which is that covid is not an emergency and even if it was, there’s nothing anyone can do to stop it, and that human freedom has a much higher price than it has been given.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yep, it’s about ending lockdowns, not the fantasies of basement dwellers

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

Be bright and cheery and mention that you might be closing indefinitely because of lockdown rules, as well as every other establishment they enjoy visiting.. but flasks keep drinks hot and bushes at the side of the road can be used when nature calls

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

It doesn’t line all corporate pockets. Any major.manufacturer with an international customer base is struggling, aeronautical industry is struggling, car industry is struggling…

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

The host of this site believes solely in the incompetence theory and tensions are growing between him and his friend James Delingpole who takes a more ‘comprehensive’ view. He even wrote an article for the US Spectator mocking Delingpole. Are London Calling’s days numbered?

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

Interesting comment

“Well, virology is basically a religion at the moment. We have to be perfectly clear about that. It merged with Next Generation Sequencing Magic, computer modeling. Turned out to be the cashcow of the planet. We are fighting a relgious war here: Fundamentalists VS. Common Sense.”
 https://mobile.twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1340212009065979906

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

John Cullen posted a new video on YouTube giving an overview of the recent flu fear agenda morphing into the Covid hysteria and the disappeance of flu in the US.

Highly recommended.

However at the end of the video an event is mentioned where the original H1N1 virus strain (SpanishFlu) was recreated in a lab and ‘accidentally’ released on two occasions at least in the 1970s. This article is pre Covid so avoids many of the missteps we see with current reporting.

https://nationalpost.com/news/a-brief-terrifying-history-of-viruses-escaping-from-labs-70s-chinese-pandemic-was-a-lab-mistake

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

The video is not compltely correct .Influenza virus was first detected in 1930s. In the 1970’s nobody had an idea if and which virus infected the population during the Spanish flu. Though it was supposed to be an influenza virus and H1N1 could be a possible cause but unknown at that time. In the 1970’s there was most likely an escape of H1N1 from a Soviet lab. This caused a mini pandemic mainly affecting mildly young people at the time, who had only experienced H2N2 Asiatic flu and Hong Kong flu H3N2.But elderly at the time were not affected most likely immune due to previous H1N1 which had disappeared when the Asiatic flu arrived. Everybody assumed flu before 1957 had been H1N1.But nobody at the time knew the origin of Spanish flu. First in this century, frozen bodies of Spanish flu victims were dug up in Alaska and Spitzbergen. From these bodies H1N1 were detected. To the surprise of the scientists, that flu virus did not have the set up like the  dangerous bird flu H5N1 which was around that time. Looked more like an ordinary H1N1 and most likely circulated 1918-1957 and was replaced but came back 1977 and in swineflu H1N1 2009 with little impact and mostly younger persons. Many now speculated that the Russian flu 1892 was really H2N2 which was replaced with H1N1 now let out on a non immune world population 1918. However, many now suspect that Russian flu might have been one of our common coronaviruses instead.

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Tangelo
Tangelo
4 years ago

I thought I’d buy a Chris Whitty mug as a gift for my brother. He is a sceptic and would probably explode with rage which would be a delight to see – however it looks like they are selling fast and eBay is actually listing them for £900 … seriously! £900.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Tangelo

£900 – bit pricey for something to smash….

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Tangelo
Tangelo
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

Exactly. I would have spent a tenner for a cheap laugh. Rishi Sunak, Boris mugs all £900.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Tangelo

Yes a tenner and a video to put online would be a laugh!

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Tangelo

Germans used to have portraits of Hitler in their homes.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

I’ve an expressionist portrait of Mark Drakeford hanging on my bedroom wall, and own a tea cosy with Vaughan Gething’s face stiched on it. So what? Can’t see what all the fuss is about, myself.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Do you mean expressionless?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

And a copy of Mein Kampf given to all newlyweds. The honeymoons must have just flown by.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Tangelo

If your brother is a sceptic he probably enjoys irony.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Tangelo

Chamber Pots were once made with pictures of people in the bottom. So that you could treat as appropriate .. I would certainly buy whitty print toilet rolls

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

And it’s finally happened! COVID scepticism has been associated with Nazism!:

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/08/alt-right-pseudoscience-part-2-the-free-speech-union-and-scientific-racism/

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

bylinetimes..enough said

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Of course! Bylinetimes. They were the ones that gave us this:

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/10/09/covid-19-and-the-end-of-economic-fatalism/

Heralding the new dawn of post-neoliberalism. There was no alternative from that and now there’s no alternative from this. The people finally rose up and through their fierce protest groups – Occupy, MeToo, Extinction Rebellion etc. – managed to force the hand of governments to go all soft and fluffy and care about us!

Brought to you by COVID Inc.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Nope – just plain old common sense

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

To the downtickers:-
I was responding to GeorgeMc’s first comment about scepticism being associated with Nazism – and saying that clearly scepticism is not Nazism, but common sense.
Not replying to his 2nd comment (which wasn’t there at the time)

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Far right is a useful smear label and has been and will be used frequently for any and every purpose so that logical arguments are not needed

The BBC lies department used it about anti lockdown demos here and in Germany

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Well it’s used to portray left wing people as hard left two. Only thing is it is hammered continuously that the left are loonies but I’ve never heard extreme right wingers called the rabid right. Why not?

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominic

Care to give any examples of the BBC referring to the loony Left? They hardly ever refer to the Far Left. Susan Michie is never called Far Left despite her support for Communist dictatorships.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

That’s how it’s done. Any chance you get paint an oppositional view as “far right” There was a debate on the radio a few days ago and the commentator on the left – laughed at the commentator on the right when she said “Sky News is left leaning”. He yelled “ridiculous” and laughed yet Sky are owned by Comcast !

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

I think that whether covid scepticism is called “Left” or “Right”, to call it any such thing is to suggest it depends on political ideology. No-one suggests that to believe in the virus as presented depends on political ideology although if you call scepticism “Right wing” you suggest that, if you’re a REAL Marxist you MUST believe in the virus. Which is stupid.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

See Annie’s comment on Neuremberg trials, we’re the ones who will be on trial. I’ll have had the Makarov treatment (Long live Comrade Stalin!) previously at the end of the climate trials.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

About The Moderna vaccine
“Moderna Therapeutics is a big company in Boston, their executive sold stock the same day of some vaccine announcement and perfectly timed a bump in the price and made like $60 million just in the summer. That is a Cambridge company. 2013 WEF World Economic Forum “Growth Company”
https://twitter.com/ThomasConnors/status/1340072230961733635

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Happens all the time. The Solar Winds CEO sold shares before details of a malware attack on their software were released this past week. Big news in IT especially government circles

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Weren’t something like $1.3 billion in debt in January?

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago

Hairy chest

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago

They went full retard.

Never go full retard.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

our Government is run by Retards

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago

In the U.S., the CDC is proposing rolling out its vaccine programme based on race. They’re not recommending vaccinating the most vulnerable elderly, because that age group is predominantly white. They’re going to target non-healthcare essential workers, who are predominantly non-white.

It’s called eugenics, which the Left opposes, except when it doesn’t.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

They also said its OK to vaccinate white teachers as priority though. Because a lot of their students will be non white. You have to really wonder where the US is heading.

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Civil war.
That’s where it’s headed.
It’s either that or acceptance of full-blown socialism/communism, and we know how well that turns out. A fancy name for tyranny.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

The United States of South Africa?

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

Tucker Carlson: Race, the COVID-19 vaccine and our betters’ embrace of eugenics
How essential are you? Some of our elites say it depends on what color you are
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-race-vaccine-new-eugenics

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

The Left loves eugenics; aborting black babies, aborting Chinese girls, denying poor people cheap energy and now even the chance to earn the pittance that enables them to survive. They seem pretty keep on shitting in the street too based on USA.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

“The Left loves eugenics”

Is being incontinently stupid a characteristic of the right? Or am I just making another daft generalisation?

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Its terms like ‘right’ and ‘left’ that are increasingly useless not just the generalisations. I used to consider myself on the Left but relate to very little of it now. As you correctly say many sections of the Right support this shit show so no solace there either. The whole political compass has been broken into pieces with this…though I think that has been happening for many years.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/19/how-belarus-exposes-the-lockdown-lie/

“if England and Wales had the same excess death rate as Belarus, there would have been 19,711 fewer deaths over the period.”

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Thanks for the link.An excellent article well worth a read.Lukashenko seems to be the only “sane” leader left in Europe

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EllGee
EllGee
4 years ago

Last night an 81 year old friend was in tears on the phone. She lives alone in a rural area. We’re 90 minutes away, and a different county, but have visited a few times a month since March. Her other person is neighbour down the road. He’s still working but since his boss had a total breakdown he’s been working every hour possible to make sure the others still working there can continue to do so. My friends only news source is the BBC so her mental state is….well it isn’t now.
She is terrified of another lockdown, that we won’t be able to visit, that we won’t want to visit because of the awful new strain. That she’ll die and her dog’ll be left to starve. It’s hard to try and reassure somebody when you have tears streaming down your own face.
I have the feeling she’s going to become another statistic of the lockdown. Project Fear on steroids claiming another victim

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Sally
Sally
4 years ago
Reply to  EllGee

That’s a terrible story. I feel for you both.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  EllGee

Yes, how many simply frightened to death?

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

I heard the expression recently “saved to death”. That’s what they have done to us….

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Ken Gardner

I think a lot of deaths in Care Homes, including where Covid is the immediate cause, will be because of lockdown demoralisation – denial of family contact and being surrounded by masked staff.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  EllGee

THis is the unseen damage that is being done under cover of ‘saving Grannie’. As others have said – it’s the BBC and the rest of the MSM that’s the real infection.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I think if I was a grannie I would rather not be saved if it means this shit forever.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago

I never did especially like Dylan’s ‘Masters of War’ as a song, but the viciousness of the lyrics surpasses mere tune. With a few noun changes it seems as apposite today than it must have done back in 1963. 



https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/masters-war-mono/

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Idiot Wind is pretty apposite too.

Idiot wind, blowing through the buttons of our coats
Blowing through the letters that we wrote
Idiot wind, blowing through the dust upon our shelves
We’re idiots, babe
It’s a wonder we can even feed ourselves

https://www.bobdylan.com/

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Idiot Wind is probably my favourite of his songs.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Thirded.

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James
James
4 years ago

The are no coincidences.

Take the Royals for example; our lot have recently become the new Kardashians – cheapened and scandalous. It was reported yesterday that the Princess of Monaco has shaven her head as a symbol of “liberation”. And here we see the King of Sweden intervening where he normally shouldn’t and demanding the same misery be brought upon his subjects as the rest of Europe – and so it happens.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  James

Purple is known to some as the colour of royal bloodline. I can’t help but thinking this was attached to the royals sometime after Alfred the Great.

British royalty have not honoured the coronation oath and have indeed enabled erosion of our customs values and traditions by being in a positiin of power to safe guard but acted like klaus schwabs playmate.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

And Clintons in their ‘coronation robes’ oops!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

In ancient Rome ‘raised to the purple’ was the expression for being made emperor.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Good correction thanks. Seems purple has history beyond kneeling starmers tie above and the london eye illumination.

And who can forget the purple with the crown sprouting out of it on the new covid vaccine card issued by british gov. Remind me again why a crown imposed on a heart represents covid19 vaccine.

Last edited 4 years ago by Basics
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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Roman Caesars started the purple. It was carried on because it was the most expensive dye to produce.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

https://unherd.com/thepost/swedish-professor-we-are-headed-for-disaster/
This is an interview with Prof Elg, Sweden one of the biggest opponents of Tegnell. Since day 1 in March he has been pro lockdown and pro mask. He has been influential in some of the media and is heard more and more. He predicts a collapse in Swedish hospital system within 2 weeks unless a total lockdown and mandatory masks. The socialist government in Sweden is in a difficult spot. Opinion polls are high for the opposition right wing, incl. populist Sweden democrats who has been pro masks and lockdown all the time. Right and left division in pro or contra LD masks is not at all clear.
You have pro LD masks in Hungary, Poland, Israel and right wing in Sweden. You have against LD, masks in leftwing Mexico, Nicaragua and Uruguay and in right wing populists in Italy and Austria.

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Unherd deserve credit for covering both sides of a debate, as the BBC and C4 used to do. Some of the interviews are as good/better than one would get on R4.

How are they funded? I owe them a small contribution.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Actually, Sweden is interesting because this recent hysteria has emerged from …. nothing. The Euromomo chart shows absolutely no extraordinary event.

Again – one can’t but divine anything other than malign political influence.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

Absolutely brilliant video. Good to watch when you have time.

What do you know about the world’s deadliest virus?

https://youtu.be/vWRx1aZ5YoA

I spotted this had been posted here a few days ago, I believe it’s one of the class of videos that bears sharing and reposting as widely as possible. The disclaimer this is not for children references the serioys nature not an explicit language warning.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

John Cullen. Referenced it this morning in relation to this article https://nationalpost.com/news/a-brief-terrifying-history-of-viruses-escaping-from-labs-70s-chinese-pandemic-was-a-lab-mistake

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Sasha
Sasha
4 years ago

Would you like a break from all the British lockdown insanity?

Let’s take a walk around seemingly the last sane place on Earth.

Stockholm Walks: Scheelegatan. Streetlife in December 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eaja0_chio

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

A video for all the Chris Whitty commemorative mug purchasers out there

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/15/watch-uk-chief-medic-confirms-again-covid19-harmless-to-vast-majority/

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

Great comment NN.

Yes, I would stay in Thailand if I were you.

The indebted welfare states of the West are at the epicentre of what is happening and what will happen.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

The Welfare State is being spent on the rich whilst the poor starve. Eg UNICEF donating food for hungry UK kids whilst public money is spent on Tory Covid projects for their mates

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

I woke up this morning and just checked to confirm that time travel has not been proven. I needed to know if we had been blasted back to March 23 2020. Panic on the streets, panic in the media, panic in politics.

Nope, it’s December 19th. There is panic on the streets, panic in the media, panic in politics and the nicest part of any year has been rebranded a deadly act of irresponsible endeavour.

3 weeks to flatten the curve. Another 3 weeks, 6 weeks of easing, July 4th. Eat Out to Help Out, school kids daring to attend lessons killing Granny, 50,000 cases a day by next Thursday, 4000 deaths a day by 1 November, lockdown in November to save December. Christmas will kill us all. 2021 will start off in Lockdown. Oh don’t worry. All over by Easter, don’t know what Easter.

And still not even a hint of a riot.

Perhaps that surprises me most.

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l835
l835
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

It’s a weird controlled accepting panic, very much Stockholm syndrome.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  l835

Stockholm syndrome has new meaning this time. Their pols seem to be folding and the king appears even more of a loony than HRH PoW.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

What is most weird is that Sweden held out against pressure. Having been proved correct, they’ve suddenly folded – on the basis of the PCR scam, from what I can see.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Tegnell always at least paid lip service to the idea that Something Must Be Done, just approached it in a more grownup way, so the Something was sustainable. They were never purists like most of us here.

If they were going to fold you’d think they would have done it at the peak when some of their older people were dying in larger numbers than the year before, but now I expect it is pressure from their own people, seeing what is happening in the rest of Europe, and the same cowardice as most other leaders – they still believe there’s a tiny chance that there will be carnage and are petrified of not being seen to do everything they can.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It was inevitable that Sweden would have to get with the program.

You can’t have an exception making a mockery of the wole thing.

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Belarus still stands as the ‘Gold Standard’ approach to all the bs. Watch the ptb try to force a color revolution there as a result.

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Perhaps but remember Belarus. They have enacted none of the bs and the whole scam has passed them by. They should be considered the real ‘control group’ as regards Europe because none of the covid writ runs there. Hence the reason that certain ‘forces’ are attempting to destabilise the country and cause a color revolution.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

A good summary of the social weirdness and incontinent gullible hysteria.

People do seem to forget very quickly, and absorb the most recent fictional pap that they are fed. Thus the rational ‘curve flattening’ debate of March has been forgotten in this welter of new Scary Fairy creations that started to emerge after the viral surge had subsided, by June.

Now we have normality in terms of all-cause mortality for this time of year; actual prevalence of illness from SARS-CoV-2 is miniscule, but the great panic continues.

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PaulH
PaulH
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Have you ever seen sheep riot on their way into the abattoir?

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMykYSQaG_c

The Smiths – Panic

Panic on the Streets of London
Panic on the streets of Birmingham
…
Could life ever be sane again
……
Hang the …..

(I’ll leave others to complete the last line)

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John K
John K
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

There is (not) a virus and we never go out

Last edited 4 years ago by John K
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Mrs issedoff
Mrs issedoff
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Amazing when you think of all the outrage and marches because some nasty criminal in America was ‘murdered’ by the police. We now are living under a despot dictator along with his chums, and most people are shrugging and going along with it all.

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zacaway
zacaway
4 years ago

More lies from Sadiq Khan:

Whatever you do this weekend, please stay safe and wear a face covering – particularly on public transport and in enclosed public spaces. 1 in 3 people with COVID-19 have no symptoms and will be spreading the virus without even realising. This is not the time to get complacent and take risks.

I know these restrictions are difficult, especially at this time of year, but it’s what we have to do to avoid even tougher restrictions, for longer, further down the road.

https://nextdoor.co.uk/p/5tZhTH8TCdfn

These platforms don’t even let you reply to bullshit messages from the “authorities” to demand evidence for these unsubstantiated assertions.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  zacaway

In the summer wasn’t it supposed to be 4 in 5 asymptomatic? Strange how Coronovirus symptoms are more likely to accompany a positive test in the cold and flu season, is it not?

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zacaway
zacaway
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Yes, I think you’re right about that. I know a couple of guys at work who recently got symptomatic “covid” – basically a winter sniffle. (One was terrified of getting it, hopefully he might reflect on that now.)

Nearly 2,000,000 covid “cases” now, most of them obviously didn’t die, so can we count on them seeing sense and joining us now?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  zacaway

I moved outside of London a while ago, but those I know who live there will be firing off a complaint – these are more than unsubstantiated assertions, these are dangerous highly irresponsible “conspiracy theories.” right? David Kurten & Peter Whittle are both members of the London Assembly, and have taken Khan to task before, am sure they could do it again.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  zacaway

I am on nextdoor and I am so frustrated with their NHS and other
c related adverts. That one cannot report them annoys me too.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

This is getting beyond sinister.
The self-serving MPs have swanned off for their comfortable Christmas hols, secure in the knowledge that the next wodge of public money will be going into their bank accounts. Just as if the country wasn’t in a state of emergency.

It’s about time that bunch risibly called ‘sage’ dropped the redundant ‘E’, isn’t it?

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

It’s a sliding scale… many have found life extremely difficult, with jobs or businesses they have dedicated years to being crippled; many are suffering complete devastation, struggling for basic food, some face losing their homes, some will have children not come home from Uni having been found dead in their dorms as a direct result of lock-down restrictions.
Other end of the scale, sat in the Commons in pretty comfortable surroundings, wondering if foie gras is going to be on the menu in the subsidized canteen next week or not, — different level of difficulty.

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  String

No need to apologize, I knew where you’re coming from – have great admiration for you constantly standing up to the nonsense, gives a lot of people a shot of inspiration here, I’m sure. 🙂

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

I notice they have all gone to their constituencies just before Boris shuts down London and the South East. Handy for them.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Les Miserables hate them. Perhaps they can sense that

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PaulH
PaulH
4 years ago

If there were still any proper journalists left in the UK legacy media, perhaps they might ask:

  • Just what is a “case”? (just a +ve test or a proper medical diagnosis)
  • How many “cases” are actually ill?
  • How many ill people are actually hospitalised?
  • What is ICU occupancy this year compared to 2019?
  • Where has the flu gone this year? (misdiagnosis?)

But there aren’t of course. So no one will ask these questions.

And Johnson will carry merrily on towards his goal of medical martial law.

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

Selfish reason for asking this….

The fact that travel restrictions for the South East are in the news this morning suggests that they will be brought in after an announcement later today.

Any reliable leaks of when they would be applicable?

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

I would imagine probably immediately. Lots of folk in London will go shopping in Brighton as they can have lunch somewhere.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

These are coming according to the leaked Canadian report.Picture the measures an occupying force would impose on a subject population then this all makes sense

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zacaway
zacaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

You got a link to that report?

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago

When Mr Johnson talks about ‘The Science’ is he referring to the Behavioural ‘Science’, which is what the majority of Sage are made up of. Whitty and Valance providing some numbers for the Behavioural scientists to play with. Its what is happening because the numbers can be so easily disputed but they are still persuading the gullible to follow what they have.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

You’d think with the entire country at each other’s throats, mass non-compliance, civil unrest bordering on the brink of revolution – that these behavioural scientists might come under some scrutiny. What on earth have they been doing. For all of the shite Sweden gets (in MSM), at least they took a longitudinal view of all of this. So what if they are bringing in a FEW minor restrictions at the end when everyone is weary of social distancing?… That surely proves that they did the hard bit first. Our behavioural scientists have a lot to answer for imho. Very poor, back of a fag packet stuff from them.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Yes, didnt say they were any good, just that Johnson is listening to the ‘science’ and for the gullible it’s worked a treat!

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

Sorry, was not a criticism, just an observation/rant

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

No problem, understandable, and I agree, they are making a mess of whatever it is they’re doing

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

The behavioural scientists have not been poor at all. Their advice has allowed most of the population to be duped, terrified and repressed. Wasn’t that the aim?

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

and they have been out in force on the BBC this week, Mon-Thu. Then yesterday the mood music changed to lockdown in January is inevitable

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

They have been very effective in affecting change in a portion of the population, woeful in the rest, hence the chasm. I’d say that is poor.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

You can never fool all of the people all of the time. But they’ve hit the target with a significant majority. It is a success if it allows the Government to do as it pleases with impunity, which it has.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

They could have earned cooperation but instead they have earned enmity

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Do you think the majority are duped, I’m not certain about that, the media reporting makes it appear that way, and that is what propaganda aims at, ignore all dissent but there is a lot and a lot of people who are just ignoring it. I live on the coast and it is busier than normal, no where else to go but not much sign of a deadly virus, just the cafe’s now have queue’s

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

Agreed. But there are many who must still be wondering if they’re the only ones

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Agreed. Though I’d extend that to the entire Establishment.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

Ironically, the behavioural science is the only successful science pushed by the government.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

New strain? Unbalanced talking back in May, about the many different variants they were aware of in the country…roughly 2 minute mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrmUBC483wU

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago

Guys start planning to protect yourself and your families. If anybody remembers those leaked Canadian papers, that listed the exact course of action Governments would take, well with each passing day, each action is confirmed. Lockdowns, new covid, region lockdowns etc.. However one the the more worrying aspect was the collapse of the food chain. Now many maybe thinking yeah right! But 10 months ago who would’ve been thinking Christmas would be cancelled and that you would have to close the curtains when having guests around. So I say just in case.. Fill every space of your home with food. It might never come to that, but just be prepared.

Sacks of 10kg rice
Sacks of flour
as much pasta as you can find.
Lentles, beans
can food.

If you have a garden, start planting Veg.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

Please do not encourage hoarding and panic buying. I’d say it is a site red line like the shouting Fire in a crowded theatre. You could just as easily be the 77th tarnishing the site or trolling responses as far as I’m concerned. It’s irresponsible.

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

Your choice, but at the end of the day, only you can look after yourself. We are a band of just a few hundred on here, it’ll will make no difference to the shops what we did. In any case if you’re believing I’m a 77th then you already know this is more than just the “Virus”.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

Exactly.

Trust your instincts.

What do they tell you?

A question by the way:

Would the 77th be trying to discourage or encourage ‘hoarding’ and ‘panic-buying’, what I call preparation?

I should think the answer is obvious.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

👍

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

Preparation is what I would encourage.

Not being prepared is irresponsible.

Look around you. Can’t you see that the narrative is being doubled down on everywhere?

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SionnachAirgid
SionnachAirgid
4 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

Failing to Prepare is Preparing to Fail. Unless of course you’re counting on the State to keep you fed. Do let me know how that works out for you.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  SionnachAirgid

A fair number of months ago, there was a government document released that actually encouraged all people to have two weeks’ worth of food and money in their homes.

So not only is this an official government recommendation, people would be stupid to fail to do this, simply on the basis of common sense.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  SionnachAirgid

The Government has a moral duty to keep us all well fed – every single one of us, especially since the Government inflicted this destruction upon us.

Cause and effect. The Government is responsible.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

I thought it was the moral duty of government not to lie to us, but that seems to have gone by the by doesn’t it.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Dorian_Hawkmoon

I agree. It actually causes shortages in the short term

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Sasha
Sasha
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

Thanks Andrew.

I agree absolutely.

This is going to get a lot worse – I would think that’s obvious by now.

Things to add to your list are:

Nuts
Dried Fruit
Honey

All very nutritious, energy-dense and last for ages.

…and don’t forget plenty of booze.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

I can recommend growing veg. It’s easy. Did up any bit of land you have access to now, its the right time of the year for digging. Dig in and lay on top plenty of manure. Don’t worry about edgings but add them for neatness. A raised bed just can be some planks of treated timber. Get plenty of little flower pots to start seeds in ready for planting up in March/April.
Potatoes can be grown in potato bags from Febuary through to November.

It’s incredible how much food can be grown in a small space. It’s really easy too. Well worth it. I had about 35 diffrent edible things growing in my small back garden last year. I have done this for years now. It’s more than enough food to eat every day.

An allotment is a huge area and if you can get one it’s better to share it but if you can manage a whole allotment plot, there will be huge amounts of food that can be grown in it.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I would agree with nearly all of that.

Good advice in the main, my only warning is to be careful if you don’t know what may have been dumped on some land that may have contaminated it before you have access to it.

Near where I live, there were some houses built on land used as a scrap yard for cars, and a lot else, from the 1930s to 1970s and I don’t think local councils were very cautious back in the 70s to check that contamination was removed.

Now you’ve made me hungry mentioning “edible things”…

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StevieH
StevieH
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

We have 4 freezers (pretty well full), an LPG fuelled stand-by generator (to keep essentials powered up), enough logs to last us well into next year, a (nearly) full oil tank for the c/h + water (1800 litres), two (legal) shotguns and over 500 cartridges. Plenty of land to grow veg on as well.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

Make connections. Make friends. Gestures are priceless. People help one another.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
4 years ago

Sadly, I don’t want to live in their planned world. Even at 68 I am prepared to fight to the death rather than comply. I’ve already seen my hip replacement vanish as I have refused a nasal swab and they refuse to do a throat swab instead. 12k loss to the private hospital but they are more bothered about flu. I know that both the surgeon and several nurses are sceptics but refused anyway over a woeful test. Life will intolerable. No medical care without being vaccinated, No travel, No concerts, Cashless society with every step traced. Small businesses driven to oblivion. All, supposedly, for ‘our own good’ We will become their pets and they will decide when, and if, we breed and when we die. Yet still people think we are conspiracy theorists

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

Mutineer-

I’m about 25 years behind you but I feel much the same about the future that is clearly being planned for us.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

https://www.saveourrights.uk

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Caramel
Caramel
4 years ago

The scientists who conducted the Corman Drosten PCR review are having issues getting published…This should be a huge scandal.

Bobby Rajesh Malhotra on Twitter: “In an email exchange w/ another concerned scientist from the field,@Eurosurveillanc announced to investigate until the end of January 2021. The name of the scientist has been changed. We are not part of the editorial board there, so no FastLane for us. https://t.co/Gc6X45ufxd https://t.co/anmriDikip” / Twitter

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

Great information thanks

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

The most depressing aspect of lockdown and leaving 2020 is realising just much of the human race is not worth knowing or respecting. The sheeple have earned my contempt for them

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Totally agree. I’m amazed how little the majority of people actually use their brains and question or use their own observations as to what is going on. They just blindly accept any old rubbish they are told without saying why?

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

I agree it can be shocking but maybe we were deluding ourselves thinking it was never thus. I know its not nice thinking your fellow humans are so easily brainwashed. But look back to the first World War. The media delivered an onslaught about German genocide in Belgium and total hysteria took hold in Britain with fiancee’s urging their men to go and fight. Most of them never saw them again after they were killed in battle. If you were a young man then you were definitely better off being single! Humans are a herd species even if they pretend to be individuals and cannot bear being outside the herd for long. We have even seen that with early sceptics like Sherelle Jacobs and Daniel Hannan gradually throwing in the towel so they can rejoin the herd.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Flip that over positively. How much self respect you can take from realising you have a character that is reasonable, brave and thinking. That’s a better way to think on things perhaps.

Not a dig at you but it is easy to forget the outrageous deliberate attack on unsuspecting and ill prepared public by the governments and corporations. It’s good to remember the visciousness of what we have been exposed to. A blitzkieg to an already drained nation.

SPI B nudge unit need arresting as much as hancock in my view.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Quality before quantity!

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

I am also embarrassed to be a member of such a cowardly and moronic species.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago

There clearly are new mutant strains of virus circulating in the country now. The most serious of these is the deadly ‘Borisavirus’. This is hugely contagious, and causes mass destruction of life, liberty, economy and hope, and all attempts to find a vaccine against it have proved fruitless. This contagion is aided and abetted by another which, strangely, only used to be prevalent in the thespian community, it is now know as ‘Sage Fright’.

We should all be very afraid.

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Caramel
Caramel
4 years ago

Some enterprising person on Etsy should make voodoo dolls of him. I’d buy one.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Caramel

There’s a lovely Russian girl on Etsy who made me a pet coronavirus stuffed toy; I am sure she would make you a voodoo doll (as long as you told her it was of someone evil). The Russians take that sort of thing very seriously, so you would have to tell her what a dreadful man he is.

Virus with little mask.jpg
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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Will it replace the Teddy Bear? Hope not.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

Another fragment to chuck in over the turkey.

“Do you know that your car journey here to this turkey far exceeded any risk you have of contracting illness from the 2020virus? More gravy? Enjoy your risky, nay, dangerous journey home won’t you. Pass the sprouts won’t you.”

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago

All we need to do is get actual easy to claim facts out there.

All cause mortality rates across the world. Looks very normal across pretty much every country. Even the US which gets a battering from the UK press is showing less deaths this year than last, to date.

Can’t argue with the amount of dead people, they would struggle to find more than they have.

Although I wouldn’t put it past the government digging up people so they can double count…

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Simon

It makes no difference , Simon. Only covid deaths matter and not a single one is permissible. Received wisdom is that covid is the biggest threat to life ever known and those who are claimed to have died with it, of it, or within 200 miles of it, are more sadly dead than anyone else who has ever died. Logic left the building a long time ago.

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Charlie, very true. But, we have to find things to break the narrative. Every sensible case put forwards is shouted down with opinion and not facts.

Provide anything that cannot be shouted adown and watch the media pick the winning side. After all, it seems to be a popularity contest.

I’m optimistic, stll strangely

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  Simon

So am I Simon. I’ll keep on doing what I can and being vividly disobedient.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago

On Christmas day we will be at our usual family dinner,people from six households will be there and it will be normal,if the covid police or any snitchy neighbours want to stick their noses in that’s fine,we are all sceptics and are just in the mood for a rumble.
Our friend has just told us that she is going to her traditional family xmas dinner and there will be around twenty people there from seven households and the message to the busibodies is just the same,intervention may result in bodily injury.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

A turkeyfight! Count me in! I can do terrible things with a wishbone.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

That’s good Annie,we are going to need soldiers with special weapons and tactics skills for the fight ahead.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Hand grenades can easily be disguised as Christmas puds.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

If they arrest people having Christmas Dinner then we know the Government’s become a fascistic entity, and it’s not about a virus, especially considering how rule makers are breaking the rules themselves in spectacular fashion. I’m thinking of Neil Ferguson breaking lockdown rules to see his married lover and Sky News lockdown queen Kay Burley breaking Covid rules by throwing a massive party. Neither have been fined or charged

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Not to mention Jenrick visiting his country pile of bricks throughout lockdown for which, incidentally, we the tax payers are forking out £1,000 a month to him in alleged expenses to pay for building works on it. Cummings was in breach more recently Ellwood. They’re all at it.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
4 years ago

I’m not entirely sure why we keep pretending like the government’s plan for lockdowns and tiers has any reason to it at all…

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

I’m no political cartoonist but Bob Moran missed a trick not going for a ‘Turkeys Voting for a Locked Down Christmas’ sketch.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

Saw this on another forum. I don’t endorse Beeley but this is spot on
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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

She’s right.

DavidC

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

This goes into the enormous difficulties with claiming masks are effective. Even if they stopped respiratory droplets, those would have fewer virus and they are better stopped by our defence mechanism in the respiratory tract. Smaller droplets go through the masks, airborne and has more virus per droplet and goes deeper into the lung. Conclusion? 6 m away from any human being but the Antarctic outbreak seems to contradict even that. Nothing is perfect.  https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1340083164476305412

“Half truth. Fine aerosol particles are small enough to get through most masks, while they contain proportionally higher number of viruses than large droplets. Moreover, these fine particles can more easily reach the lungs, bypassing upper respiratory traps.”

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Allen
Allen
4 years ago

A brief history of the PCR scam of the Pandemic that can’t seem to end.

It all started on Jan 10th 2020, when WHO reported that there is an outbreak in China caused by a novel coronavirus.

On Jan 17th 2020, The WHO recommended the use of the Corman-Drosten PCR test as a gold standard for detecting SARS-Cov-2 before the paper was even submitted for publishing.

On Jan 21 2020, the Corman-Drosten paper was submitted to the scientific journal Eurosurveillance describing the PCR test.

On Jan 22 2020, it was accepted for publication.

On Jan 23rd 2020, it was published.

Keep in mind that at the point when they started working on the PCR test, the genetic material of the virus was not yet sequenced.

“We aimed to develop and deploy robust diagnostic methodology for use in public health laboratory settings without having virus material available.”

“The PCR test was therefore designed using the genomic sequence of SARS-CoV” “Design and validation were enabled by the close genetic relatedness to the 2003 SARS-CoV.”

Listen to Kevin_McKernan @ 10:37 he estimates that hey started working on the PCR test at least 2 months prior to the publication of the paper, so towards the end of Nov 2019.

https://bretigne.typepad.com/on_the_banks/2020/12/wtmwd-50-kevin-.html?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

“You have to recognise the body of the work that they presented is not something you can do in a week that looks like maybe 2 months worth of work, which of course begs the question of who tipped them off to making this, early, prior to actually being a pandemic.
The paper was not peer-reviewed. It was approved in one day. It takes on average 179 days to peer review an article.

Conflict of interest was not declared: a) Drosten and his co-author Dr Chantal Reusken happen to be members of the editorial board of Eurosurveillance.

Olfert Landt, of Tib-Molbiol, the company that developed the PCR test being used, was also a co-author of the Drosten paper. “they distributed these PCR-test kits before the publication was even submitted.” They were already in business before the pandemic started.

In March 2020, the pandemic happened. The more we tested, the more cases we got, the more we assigned any death with a positive test to COVID19.

The world went into lockdown based on a fear of rising cases, asymptomatic transmission, widespread susceptibility, lack of pre-existing immunity, & lack of acquired immunity after Covid, with complete disregard to the fact that 80% of cases had no symptoms or mild symptoms and that mortality followed an age gradient. All these fears were not justified and contradicted our accumulated scientific knowledge.

Basic immunological facts were put to question to disinform and confuse the innocent public.

Countries adopted an umbrella approach despite the fact that the profile of the vulnerable population was very clear since March 2020: older individuals with multiple comorbidities were at high risk of developing serious disease that could culminate in a negative outcome.

In June 2020, the casedemic happened. As the prevalence of C19 decreased & herd immunity approached, we started to tally up false (+) ‘cases’. The test was more likely to detect viral debris at this point than an infectious virus, especially with cycle thresholds above 30.

The WHO & Corman-Drosten protocol recommended a Ct of 45 cycles. Studies that conducted viral culture showed that with a PCR test Ct > 30, the tests were not detecting an infectious virus anymore. Yet governments turned a blind eye to these findings & never revised their Ct.

On the 27th of November 2020, 23 scientists finally reviewed the Corman- Drosten paper and have demanded it’s retraction.

This has been Big Pharma and biotech fiasco enabled by scientists that lack integrity and are after fame and greed. On the back of this fiasco, power-craving politicians seized the moment and dug their claws into the lives of regular people like you and me.

Unfortunately, this will continue until enough people understand that this has been a big fraud. It’s time we end this manufactured pandemic and make sure that history doesn’t repeat itself again.

See Der Spiegel article from 2010 titled: Reconstruction of a Mass Hysteria- The Swine Flu Panic of 2009.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Allen

I wonder whether they invented the virus to fit the PCR test.

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  Allen

And right there you have a strong legal case.

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

Are we the ones who are getting it wrong, simply by spending too much time on this site? Where are most of the rest of the world? Answer, they are busy getting on with their lives as best they can.

OH had to go to a plumber’s merchants this morning-none of the staff were wearing masks.

Our community face-book page is announcing that Santa is coming around the area tomorrow on his sleigh, as he does every year with Rotary. OK, they will be abiding by “Covid rules”, but kids won’t notice much difference.

On Monday we are taking our grandchildren to an elf-hunt at a local reservoir. The only difference from last year is that we will have to buy a take-away at the cafe, instead of sitting inside.

Last weekend, one of our sons took his children to Alton Towers for the day. Normally we would all be going there for the Santa sleepover but the hotels are closed this year. Some of the rides and the gardens are open.

Don’t get me wrong, this site has been a lifeline in keeping me sane and I’m eternally grateful to Toby et al and all the contributors here but I’m determined to do everything I can to live my life as normally as I can.

I won’t let them grind me down.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

I don’t feel that we are getting it wrong,I try to live life as normally as possible but it gets increasingly harder to do so unless you are prepared to concede and go along with the collective insanity,which I am not,Being the only bare face in supermarket with 200 masked up zombies is nowhere close to normal,walking the streets where 60% of the others are masked is as far from normal as possible.
I agree with your point to a degree,maybe in your area it is less covidian but around here it gets worse every week.Normal is how things were pre this year,it wasn’t perfect by a long shot but it did sort of make sense and it didn’t feel like we were living in a huge open air asylum that is being run by the patients.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

+1 Nothing is normal for me. the masks are one thing but my social outlets no longer exist. I can’t go the pub. I can’t go to my local bowls club. I can’t go to the boxing club. I can’t join local guitar lessons as I intend. I can’t even go to the work place.

Nothing is normal whether I pretend or not.

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SionnachAirgid
SionnachAirgid
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Exactly. We shouldn’t have to be doing the best we can to try and get on with our lives as ‘normally’ as possible. ‘Normal’ has gone and it’s never coming back.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I do agree with that…in shropshire and staffordshire the maskoids are mounting a gradual takeover. I am almost always the only unmasked in shops and on the streets outside it gets worse every week. Its now the vast majority.

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

It’s getting steadily worse in Stirling, too, though outdoor areas away from the city centre are still largely mask-free. I just hope it stays that way, though would not be surprised if the Dear Leader requires masks at all times, even outdoors. I suspect most Scots would comply, unfortunately

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Think you might be right Margaret. Time for a break maybe.

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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

My experience is slightly different – friends who didn’t mask up in lockdown 1 now wear masks and several of them won’t come in when they visit despite the fact a) I live on my own and b) have had absolutely no sign or symptoms of ANY respiratory infection. Supermarket visits I’m now about the only person not masking. It’s all very strange.

Regarding LS, maybe I (we?) are spenidng more time here than we should but it is a beacon of sanity in what seems to be becoming an even more hysterical insane reaction to a virus (we’ve never had viral infections before – never, in the history of man – ever…?!) that is not killing people in vast numbers and cases which are positive test results only.

DavidC

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago

Nowt as strange as folks!

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

“Love and human decency will always win in the end”

Video. Short award speech. Cartoonist, Bob Moran

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XmWLOso-DQ8&feature=youtu.be

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Good to see he does actually draw them using traditional kit taking me back 50 years. A young man who might be expected to be using a tablet and some fancy software.

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James
James
4 years ago

You get an upvote for writing an informative comment rather than the typical and wasteful “first” bollocks that pushes other more interesting posts down the page.

Regarding the ‘mugs’ [double entendre] – I think it’s indicative of the type of people we’re dealing with when they use the mechanics of lockdown for their own financial gain while these same features (or people in this case) bring such misery upon the rest of us.

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annie
annie
4 years ago

If you’re feeling low, go out and strike a blow.
Even a little blow. It’s a tonic. I have spent a happy morning stickering. Sunny, reezy, not too cold, golden dog dancing on the beach, shop assistants chatty and polite. Fuck Dungford and all of them.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Where is billy goat gruff today. He is obviously a paid troll as he is off for the weekend. Yes fuck dungford, the tee total father of a rapist shabbily dressed Juncker wannabe. Looks like Boris is set to announce christmas is cancelled because of the new strain later. Amazing when London gets sick everyone must care and share the pain, when the north go sick they could give a flying fuck

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I would rather fuck a pile of Dung than Dungford ugh.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Covid deaths page 14
!!!

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/944805/NOIDS-weekly-report-week50-2020.pdf

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

Merkel is panicking. Deaths are up compared to the spring peak. And many deaths but see below. In one German region 89 % of all deaths in care homes. And this in one of the best country in the world protecting care homes,masks,etc SD everything. How on earth can she think that a lockdown,masks etc for the common population could change this outcome? This is unstoppable. The only desperate action is vaccinations and/or medical prophylxis/treatment in the care homes.
“Germany: Almost 89% of CV19-related deaths in Schleswig-Holstein past 3 months have been residents of old & nursing homes”
https://twitter.com/venivici27/status/1340027678590701570

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

“Deaths are up compared to the spring peak.”

The main characteristic of Germany was the absence of a notable earlier peak. A virus doesn’t respect smugness.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Ha ha great line Rick!!

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Pebbles
Pebbles
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Correct. Germany locked down super early thereby artificially suppressing the virus.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Are they using Ivermectin?

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I don’t think so.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

“In the last five days, the US reported over one million new COVID-19 cases with total virus-related deaths swelling over 311k. The resurgence of coronavirus cases is now affecting meatpacking plants. 
According to Bloomberg, Cargill Inc. was forced to idle one of its plants in Canada after an employee tested positive. JBS, the world’s top meat producer, told thousands of workers with high risk of exposure to stay home, while Sanderson Farms Inc. is experiencing high absenteeism at its plants. ”

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/meatpacking-plants-idled-workers-sent-home-pandemic-rages-north-america

The economy, including the food supply chain is a very finely-tunes just-in-time operation, which can be easily impacted by plant closures and absenteeism.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Cases

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Yes – in the quote.

I always write ‘cases’ myself.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

This lines up quite neatly with the food supply disruptions mentioned in the Trudeau memo.

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FenTyger
FenTyger
4 years ago

Hancock-20 mutated virus in the South East, Boris in a(nother) panic.

I suggest they rush over to their friends at the WEF and read this:-

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/coronavirus-mutation-science-explained/

  • A new strain of the coronavirus may be responsible for the faster spread of the virus in London and south-east England.
  • The idea of a mutating virus, breaking out into new strains, is enough to scare most people, but there’s no need to fear.
  •  Most mutations that change the properties of a protein, as in COVID-19, are more likely to weaken the virus than strengthen it.

Hey, but more fear, more panic, more (tighter) lockdowns.
Utter useless pricks all of them. I loathe them all.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

Have no doubt. For the indefinite future, whenever there is a political or economic crisis there will come into existence a new virus strain ready for press briefing

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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

‘The gift that keeps on giving’

DavidC

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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  DavidC

Let’s call this new virus strain “No Deal Brexit”!

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  Alice

Ah now you’ve hit the nail on the head. This is all about covering up for a No Deal Brexit. I have a suspicion it might die down once that is achieved.

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

None of them aware of Darwinism and the fact that species mutate. This lot worse than flat earthers.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

mutate and their brains weaken by the current evidence

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

W.H.O. – WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER

This is the W.H.O.’s banner on twitter. But who is “we” and what is “this”? No doubt their intention is to say that “we” the people of the world are in “this” pandemic emergency together. But I contend that this really means:

“We” – the W.H.O. along with our government and corporate partners aka “The international drug cartel” are in “This” – the biggest fraud in human history, together.

There is currently no light at the end of the tunnel they have created.
Apologies for the woeful photoshop editing skills on the slide below.

tedros tunnel copy.jpg
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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

World Holocaust Organisation

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Is the prize a coconut?

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

And the prize is…100 years of solitude.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

That Ted prick should be in jail for Genocide..

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

What’s on your menu, kh1485?
Apart from finger prints.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/live221095606/Corona-live-Impfgegner-sollen-auf-Beatmungsgeraet-verzichten.html

In Germany a memeber of the ‘Ethical Council’ has demanded that those who refuse vaccination also sign a statement in which they renounce the right to treatment with breathing apparatus, should they suffer from covid.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Fascist Germans using the word ethical to conceal crimes against humanity. They are unethical

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HoMojo
HoMojo
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Why not? If they renounce any treatment at A&E if they drive a car. Are these people supposed to be intelligent?

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Danny
Danny
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Fine. If that also applies to anyone who smokes, drinks, eats junk food, need some medical help whilst pursuing an avoidable sporting activity such as jogging or gym work. Basically if you lock yourself in your house then you should be entitled to health care (but not if your injury is due to using kitchen knives or any other optional and selfish choice.

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Excellent point!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Any doctor who gies along with that is a true comrade of Mengele.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Which is why it is illegal.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Do smokers and fat lads get the same statement?

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

I’m on the rounds side and in rude health!!

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Fine. If Covid has gotten me that far, we know I am likely to be 80 years plus, suffering from 2.1 co morbidities, likely obese.

Thats the gamble right? And the downside is acquiescence to your fascist regime?

Bring. It. On.

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jrsm
jrsm
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Even though that demand is stupid and unfair, I would immediately agree provided I did not have to abide by any restriction (masks, social distancing, lockdowns). Of course, they would never allow that to happen. They won’t even allow people who already had ‘Covid-19’ to not follow them.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago

Tim Spector’s ZOE survey App, which counts symptomatic people testing positive, presents a less alarming picture, estimating that there 302,652 infected people in the whole of the UK on December 12th, representing 0.45% of the population.

This is not a valid comparison (with ONS data). As the article states, ZOE records SYMPTOMATIC cases whereas the ONS includes asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic ‘cases’. ZOE now edging up quite noticeably.

There is clearly an uptick in cases which is probably unrelated to easing of lockdown.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

‘cases’ – Now one of the most abused words in the language. There are no asymptomatic ‘cases’ – it’s a contradiction in term. Asymptomatic PCR+ results, I’ll allow – they’re known as ‘false positives’.

PCR+ data needs to be reduced by a factor of around 10 in order to indicate actual infection – which brings it much closer to the ZOE numbers.

However, the ZOE app probably includes a proportion of non-Covid symptoms.

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

“A symptomless, or even mildly symptomatic positive swab is not a case. Never, in recorded history, has this been true. However, now we have an almost unquestioned acceptance that a positive swab represents a case of COVID. This is then parroted on all the news channels as if it were gospel.” Dr Malcolm Kendrick.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Let’s destroy the world for cases. Yay!

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

There isn’t any ONS data, there hasn’t been for the last two weeks. The ONS report is based on modelling. The ONS have clearly been warned off reporting their weekly survey because the data from it doesn’t correspond to the modelling.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

Canada’s lamentable descent into fascism.

If the Corona Scandal house-of-cards ever collapses, people will remember how the police treated them. Memories are long

https://twitter.com/peteremcc/status/1340128303835803648?s=20

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Justice in Canada wanting as here in U.K.
https://nationalpost.com/news/hbc-attempt-to-overturn-lockdowns-in-covid-hot-zones-dismissed-by-ontario-court/wcm/0bb730c3-dfe9-49a5-95fc-dbfcbcee6a66

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

Advice from Dudley council to my 95 year old mother in law: Wear sensible shoes in icy or snowy weather.
“Damm it”, she said “I was planning to go out in my 6″ high heel slingbacks”
Apart from being patronising, how much did sending out this waffle cost the Dudley council tax payer?

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

how the f*** has she managed to live to 95 being so stupid? it is a good job the council are looking after her.
Next week – ” if you cross the road .. be sure to look both ways “

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

EXACTLY, NEXT THING THEY WILL TELL PEOPLE TO PUT ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF ANOTHER TO WALK.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

And put the shoes on the right feet…dont do a Diane Abbott.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I was planning to go out in my 6″ high heel slingbacks

Is your MIL on Tinder?

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

She’s thinking about it.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

You make a great point about the infantile guidance spewed out by our alleged leaders.

I’ve recently seen several utterly childish articles about proper mask wearing that read as though they were written for 7 year-olds.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Question is: Why has it taken some people so long to realise that the UK is the epitome of a nanny state? If the government deems it even slightly risky, it’s banned. I mean, this is the country that banned multitools! No one is allowed to carry any form of self defense lest they hurt someone. The police was told to not chase moped thieves because they might fall of their moped and hurt themselves. People are prosecuted for defending themselves against home intruders. People are arrested for trying to get their daughters back from grooming gangs. It’s a ridiculous system, and people seem to have a very difficult time realising it.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Thats why the populace have become so spineless….they have been groomed for this for years.

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kf99
kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Surely there should be a £200 fine for wearing incorrect footwear. If it’s all about “protecting the NHS”, who could argue? Cressida Dick would then be busy encouraging us all to do the shaming.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  kf99

Theresa May will be out of pocket then…

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago

Agree with and share many of your feelings here in the US.

In the first two months of 2020, I was considering trips to Alaska and Iceland.

I decided not to go because I didn’t want to spend the money, even though I was lucky enough to have more than enough cash for both voyages.

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Graham
Graham
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

That’s a pity. I went riding in Iceland in July and had a great time. No masks, no nonsense. Just a test on arrival. Thanks to Jonina and Gusti at Myrkholt Farm for such a wonderful experience.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Graham

Iceland had a revolution over it’s bankers a population of 350-000 what’s Britain’s excuse 65 Million not to get rid of Our rogue Government and lackey opposition

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago

What do your staff make of all this KH if you don’t mind me asking?

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

That’s a pity I’ve found that the wearing of masks for many is just a means to avoid grief. Most people just aren’t very brave they don’t care to stand out.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

That is a shame even with your support

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago

Is there a statute of limitations on the crime of malfeasance?

If so it could give us a clear indication of how long this pretence will carry on.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

If there existed a law in the UK that made it illegal to push someone to suicide, then the UK’s politicians would have fallen over themselves in the rush to repeal such a law. Lockdown is murder

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago

Text from my sister, who is also a sceptic:
“Despite everything that has been overcooked and lied about, don’t get complacent about covid. I am hearing about lots of people very unwell through work where managers have actually spoken to them so can hear they are unwell and struggling to breathe.
And people related to them as well.”

Neither she or I have been aware of anyone who’s caught CV19, apart from a work colleague of a friend, who has been mostly working at home (the friend, not the work colleague.) The person who caught it was working in Central London.
Not sure where the people my sister has heard about are working, but it will be in the South East.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

Thuat qote from your sister could have come from:

December 2019
Decemver 2018
December 2017
December 2016
Dec……………..
…………………..
…………………..

You get the idea.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

People do tend to lay it on thick when speaking to the boss. If you really couldn’t breathe you’d be dialling 999 pronto! But yes, it is a serious disease and I certainly know of cases among people I have met or know, including a close family member. There was also a young man -very obese, sadly – who died, and the immediate cause was Covid.

But even if the death rate was 10x what it is now, I would not support Maskist-Lockdownism. Liberty is too precious.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

Honestly I am at the stage where my response is who cares? People get viruses and viruses kill. There is no evidence that is more virulent than other viruses we have had. Who cares?

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

I felt terrible when I got flu back in 2018, but I’d give anything to go back to that time again (still feeling terrible) but living in a free world

Staying safe is fascism

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Spot on, Ben!

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

It’s not like people who are skiving off work make an heroic effort to sound ill when their manager calls them is it ?.

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FenTyger
FenTyger
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Spot on, I did!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

I have heard of people who know people who have heard ghosts rattling their chains at dead of night.
I don’t believe it.

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago

They seek them here. They seek them there.
They must have put out a reward to find such people.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago

Aaannnddd… Sweden.

Total deaths 2018: 92,185.

Total deaths 2019: 88,766

Total deaths 2020 (to December 11): 89,491.

There’s nothing to see. Nothing has happened. It’s all for nothing. All of it.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I doubt Dominic Lawson or Wancock will be rushing to crow about the UK’s cancer rates relative to Sweden over the next few years.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Now Lawson is someone who really does deserve the label ‘bedwetter’. His much older father has more balls than that cretin.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Unfortunately Sweden is occupied by the WEF or the Covid Cabal or whatever is taking the world hostage right now

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Gang of Four;

Xi-Gates-Soros-Schwab

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Or XGSS if you prefer.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Brilliant! Are those popukation-adjusted? Sweden has significant population growth.

Wonder how the much loved Nordic neighbours are doing…

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Video – Robert Kennedy Jr

People in authority lie – Right to compel unwanted medical intervention

https://mobile.twitter.com/lyne_ian/status/1340231647443095553

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

‘Mutant virus- 50% more infectious’

How many times will they cry wolf??


https://mobile.twitter.com/simondolan/status/1340242231068942337

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

How many times will the sheep swallow it?

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Is it 50% more asymptomatic too?

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

This is the reason @NadineDorries deleted her entire account.

Suggesting a particular minority should wear an identifying lanyard.

Where have we heard that strategy before….

https://mobile.twitter.com/simondolan/status/1340240615427158018

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

To say that woman has been a disappointment this year is something of an understatement.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

Bill Gates – The syringes have trackers

https://twitter.com/roccogalatilaw/status/1334678039020654599?s=20

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
4 years ago

Tyranny Why are doctors and nurses complicit in this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNnArXzn-18

QUOTE ” I have been a nurse for almost 20 years, none of this from the beginning, ever felt “right”. In the first lockdown when all the hospitals were supposedly “over-run” and people were clapping on a Thursday night, my colleagues at the normally-busy hospital where I work, enjoyed empty wards, quiet shifts and daily pizza and other fast food deliveries donated by the public. They admitted that they loved it.
Now I see all the colleagues around me lining up for this vaccine, not questioning a thing. I have never had the flu vaccine and I am certainly not having this.
 Last week, I worked my final shift, I am leaving the profession. I simply cannot stand it anymore, I want no part in it.”

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Sad – but understandable! The bad always end up driving out the decent – and service goes yet further downward.

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John Stitch non stop dancer
John Stitch non stop dancer
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

I’m a Nurse and called out this bs out in March .I give my opinion when asked I’ve walked out of assignments due to hysterical staff.I decline any pcr assaults and post on social media alternative opinions.But we have a feckless population staring into the abyss.Im waiting for the NNC to pull me up I will give them both barrels and drop the mic.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

Brace yourselves, the Fat Fascist Dictator is about to f*ck us again, because of the Mutant Ninja Turtle virus.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Yes, Boris to address the nation and broadcast just how little his word is to be trusted. Weak as water.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Oh oh keeping true to the weekend-dangle psychological attack are they. Trail the gloom in the week then hit it on the weekend. This pattern has been the same for months. Williamson was at it with the exam manufactured drama. Ditto students returning. Ditto each weekend.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Wake Up to the COVID Con, or Humanity Will Be Enslaved                       
Technocracy and the Great Reset
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/19/technocracy-and-the-great-reset.aspx

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Perhaps we shouldn’t be so afraid of WEF if their IQ level produces the following
Can you think of a better own goal?
From World Economic Forum

“Venus was once Earth-like, but climate change made it uninhabitable”

https://twitter.com/wef/status/1339865528106663937

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Yes and climate change on Earth made the world inhabitable for humans, so do climate change is clearly a good thing which should be enciuraged. Probably written by Schwab’s 7 yr old granddaughter – he likes to have the extended family on the payroll,..just like Biden does.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

Can anybody objectively disagree in that statement?
“It is hard to imagine a more total and comprehensive failure of a profession than public health in 2020. They have prioritized preventing one illness while ignoring all other consequences, and their mandates have completely failed to prevent that one illness.”

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1339666475380953088

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Brilliant summary. All that needs to be said really.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

It’s not a failure.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

I second that. Let a public health whistle blower come forth and describe the shift in their profession over the past 5 – 10 years.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Public Health and the policing of it has been the mechanism at the heart of this societal change. Police in scotland have been collabourating with dutch police in an international police effort to learn and share ways of enforcing public health measures. The effort is being carried out by a collaborating body with US police and other countries too. I dont have the name of the entity.

Public Health professionals deserve every bit of bad luck coming to them. As a profession they are bankrupt of decency and honour.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

That’s really good, I’ll copy it for future use.

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago

Just wanted to share a mostly positive story. I was in the greengrocers this morning with 2 of my daughters. An old ladys potatoes fell to the floor so I picked them up for her. When we got to the till she repaid the favour (!? not!) by complaining about my being without a face covering. However the lady behind the till said she doesnt have to wear one. I assume shes exempt. The ironic thing was that the till lady herself wasnt wearing one. When she pointed this out to the old lady she said oh but youre working` very strange logic! Thank you for speaking up for me till lady!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  watashi

Hope her spuds fall on her cowardly tootsies.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

Amazing Polly latest looks at people who have been taken as political prisoners for their opinions opposing governments.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rMGBWjevEBwr/

British
Irish
Swiss
Canadian
French
German
American
The list goes on… it is worth taking time to hear their names and their opinions, they have real weight of expertise and humility behind them.

The video also looks through the lens of a recent Canadian hot-mic incident at who ‘they’ are.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

Let’s name the new virus. I’ll go first: Lie.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Vanilla+

Just a step up from normal.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

“Brexit coverup”

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anon
anon
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

flu d’etat

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
4 years ago

Maybe someone has already posted this. If so, apologies

Vaccine Prices LEaked at EU

This info may disappear, Anyone who knows how to store it effectively (screen shots or whatever) please do so.

https://www.24newshd.tv/18-Dec-2020/european-commission-embarrassed-by-vaccine-price-leak

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JanMasarykMunich
JanMasarykMunich
4 years ago
Reply to  JanMasarykMunich

Duck Duck Go still brings up a few hits for this.

But news item that was on 20min.ch a while ago seems to have disappeared.

Still, I guess this info has already got around enough.

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mikewaite
mikewaite
4 years ago

The Telegraph and the BBC have been leading today about the expected approval of the Oxford vaccine.( Interestingly the BBC news about it at lunchtime today was led not by the science editor but by the political editor).
Thanks to the various contributors here I have been able to prepare a rebuttal to my GP when he invites (orders?) me in for a jab with the Pfizer vaccine. Basically you would have to be brain dead to even consider it .
However what is the situation with the Oxford vaccine? the last I heard about it, the testing seemed to be so totally amateurish and shambolic it would surely not pass any scientific scrutiny . But as the BBC inadvertently emphasised today it has nothing to do with science , or medicine, or comfort to the vulnerable – it is all about politics. Not the best reason for vaccinating an entire nation – unless you are a dishonest oaf trying to escape the consequences of your blundering.
So does anyone have a link to a summary of reasons for or against use of this vaccine.?

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stefarm
stefarm
4 years ago

I’m going to have a break from all things scamdemic and enjoy family time and christmas although that’s not to say I might lurk here and try and spot the panty sniffing 77b and the trolls and maybe if I get a bit tipsy, toasted or both I might post some bollocks.

Anyhoo, I’ve just been in the shower contemplating my navel and am wondering…if the NHS is overwhelmed what happened to all of the people and retired nurses and doctors who volunteered back in April and May, have they been drafted in, what has happened to captain Jack’s £££££’s he raised for walking up and down the garden. Another part of the scam? or changing narrative….at the beginning the message was look after your neighbours, help deliver food packages, now it’s everybody for themselves, mask up and blame everybody else for the lockdowns.

Don’t read too much into the big V, IMO it’s a diversion, all the crocodile tears and crisis actors, all crap, although that’s not to say it won’t happen in the future.

Us people with their eyes open and who seek the truth need to not be diverted from the facts of in March the virus was downgraded to a mild flu!!, a + test is not a case!! a + test does not = infection. The data is skewed in favour of the NWO pulling the strings.

Anybody working in politics or MSM are keeping this scamdemic going and deserve to be called out.

Some sheople cannot be saved and will eventually see things for what they are, it might be too late but so be it. We know and need to be prepared so stock up on food as I would not be surprised to see power outages, the internet going down and food shortages in 2021.

Then again maybe I’m wrong, if I am I’ll be the 1st to admit it.

Keep strong people, do not wear a mask, get some fresh air, don’t give them the satisfaction. Don’t stay safe as life is worth living.

Everything coming out of the mouths of the MSM and the powers that be is a lie!

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  stefarm

Have a good festive time Stefarm. Good reading your thoughts as always. Good to take time off and remember life.

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stefarm
stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Thanks, I intend to and the same to you and yours

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sam
sam
4 years ago

i am very suspicious of the about face in sweden adn mostly of anders tegnell not bei ng allowed to speak at the new press conference, to me he was and is the voice of reason in a mad world . anders was alwasy right he shoudl win the nobel prize .

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

Power has spoken.

Sweden can not opt out.

We are now moving to the next stage.

Psychologically the right moment to do it, as a mentally exhaiusted populace takes a break for Christmas.

Power does not take holidays.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

The creepiest thing is the masks. They are determined that the population will wear them.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

When all the evidence points to inefficacy or actual harm.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

think someone got to the king from davos . h ope hes ok

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

The crowned heads of Europe are all in with the WWF.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

i should have known. i love reading everyones comments .so far above my reading adn writing abilties and always such a pleasure to read ! better than my piles of books ! thank you everyone calchas annie hugh etc etc toby of course

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

And the WEF as well!

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stevie
stevie
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Although the WWF is also a dodgy organisation.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  stevie

Yeah.. it certainly is. That prick Prince (coming back as a virus) Philip is in it..

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Schrodinger
Schrodinger
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

The King of Sweden being the same King who has attended Bilderberg Group (look it up if you don’t know how they influence your life) meetings. What a coincidence.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

i did read a very funny book about the bilderbergs but forgot who belonged to it . i do remember the lizard peolple thouhg ,that was easier to remember. am so
disappointed in the world today the people part but not disappointed here at all.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

He’s being sidelined now.. silenced. We are being governed by absolute nodding donkeys obeying their faceless masters

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alw
alw
4 years ago

This was fowarded to me today believe it’s origins are in US. Made my feelings of disgust known to sender…how low can some sink.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Vomit bucket please.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

5 year average there are 5000 more deaths in the month of January than in September. This is what happens in winter in the British Isles.

2021 may well have those 5000 deaths turned into reason to lockdown until March.

Usually I post a link to the data on this occasion I don’t have a link to osn/PHE/gov. So quibble if you will. The coming larger by comparison number of winter deaths will be food for the propaganda.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

SARS-CoV-2 mentioned in this paper from 2007. SARS-CoV-3 as well.

https://jcm.asm.org/content/46/5/1734

Twitter discussion

https://mobile.twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1340219897561935873

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Before the official nomenclature was agreed I think. But all a bit moot as the thing is mutating all the time.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

If you read through that twitter thread it’s explained that way. However, Bobby Malhorta shows it to be all based on simulation instead of actual cultured virus.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Bobby_Network

Too technical for almost everyone however interesting to follow. He is clearly feeding into the court case in Germany

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

If all actions/measures are preventative and reactive then there is never a time where they can’t be justified.

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/19/update-on-the-swedish-covid-response/

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

An interesting take on the Swedish situation. I noted this in particular :

“In conclusion, the Swedish government has officially lost its mind.”

… emphasizing the political nature of the crisis in general. There seems to be a decline in the quality of politicians across Europe, seen in their inability to assess risk and make appropriate decisions – i.e. show guts.

The irony is that Swede’s unhysterical approach had already brought dividends.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

They are being lent on. The yearly death toll in Sweden is still one of the lowest for 10 years in the country. Its entirely political now, nothing to do with health..

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

Afternoon all, here’s a positive post to make up for the despair I woke up with.
Went out with the dog on a long walk, nice to see people of all ages out enjoying themselves in the nice weather after a terrible past two days. I came across some other dog walkers in the woods and appears some unofficial dog walking groups have emerged round here, one said that it has really helped the singles. Made me wonder if we could start having sceptic walking groups, similarly to the meetups suggested by some London posters. I only know that area vaugely but a former Londoner I know once recommended the Waltham Wetlands for a nice walking venue, if it’s still open.

Even if we are still fucked it felt better just having a refreshingly normal experience for a few hours, of people just living life, “Tier 3” my bloody arse. Gives just some hope that regardless of whatever new tough Tier 4 bullshit is in line post-Christmas that the human spirit isn’t quite gone yet.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Brilliant idea!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I would be delighted to introduce a sceptic walking group to our fantastic coast path.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago

I’ve managed to avoid them so far.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Ditto. Why bother when you’re going to ignore anything that comes out of their mouths as ascientific trash?

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago

What’s this shit from Steve Baker, the MP for Wycombe? “We have no choice now but to … work hard to look after one another.” (from yesterday’s posting).

WTAF?

“Work hard?” I’ve never heard such crap in my life! Even King Canute’s lackeys weren’t under the delusion that you could “work hard” to get rid of a virus!

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anon
anon
4 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

people on here warned he was not to be trusted

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Andy C
Andy C
4 years ago
Reply to  anon

Yep. I and others have always said that he talks a good game and not much more.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  anon

Weak as water.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

“crocodile tears” Baker………

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Virus works 25 hours a day, 8 days a week.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

A lot of plastic sceptics in their group. They have to really put their skin in the game now and haven’t got the backbone. We’ve all mentioned on here that it was easy being sceptical in Summer.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

I wouldn’t trust Baker as far as I could fling him. Another blow hard.. all mouth and no trousers..

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Classic controlled opposition.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

But you’re not allowed to get close enough to anyone to look after them, are you?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago

Where is everyone? Hardly any comments for 9 hours!!!

Come out come out wherever you are!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

‘Newest’ Bella 🙂

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
4 years ago

Obviously the message has gone out to fill the media with stories over Christmas of a ‘new strain’ bs to keep everyone focused on the vaccine.

Big push in the mail today selling Big Pharma’s wares while demonising and ridiculing any who may even question (see Tucker Carlson) the narrative.

The best antidote? Ignore the media.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

Can anybody confirm what colour the new covids are?

I think emerging science has discovered they are red not green but I am not too sure about this.

The implications of this could be huge, all those adverts with the green covid plumes will have to be re done, it could cost millions!

What an oversight, they should have allowed for a possible colour change of the covids right from the start and then they could have put that money they saved into free lemsip for the vunerable instead. That would have bought a lot of lemsip.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

Pleased to say I’ve never given them the audience numbers

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helen
helen
4 years ago

Sometimes I am disappointed with the quality of reporting on this site.

I was especially disappointed with yesterdays article about the infection rate increase in Germany, which appears to be sourced from the German MSM, where not ONE word of truth is ever reported.

It’s casedemic news ONLY.

I am disappointed because the day before (on 17/12) I posted an abstract in English from the Cease and Desist letter to Christian Drosten dated 15/12 and sent to him by the German/American lawyer Dr Reiner Füllmich.

The letter was delivered to Christian Drosten on 16/12/2020. If he does not cease and desist (from what he is doing) and admit responsibility (for the things he has been doing) by 22/12/2020 the class action case for the 1st in the class (Green Mango Berlin) will be filed.

Things he has done

  • he has been and only virology advisor on policy to the Bundestag- promoting lockdowns, compusary mask wearing (including children older than 6), testing, testing children, closing schools, and so on
  • spreading fear propaganda during weekly podcasts
  • developed (along with others) the protocol for the PCR test which has been found to be flawed in 10 aspects. Retraction request letter to Eurosurveillance editorial board November 28, 2020

https://cormandrostenreview.com/retraction-request-letter-to-eurosurveillance-editorial-board/

Things he may have done

  • Was he the person responsible for thinking up the “don’t kill granny rhetoric”?
  • Did he “loose” his Phd thesis for many years before it turning up in 2020?

Furthermore concerning the LDS Article from 18/12. Here where I live in this part of Germany there is a devastating wave of new measures and I believe it to be nationwide. Nothing but food supply shops are open. There is a clamp down on mixing and visits to care homes, so relatives on tenterhooks about having to be tested and then, when its available, vaccinated. There has been restricted entry into small shops for a few weeks in the run up, consequently queuing everywhere, then on Tuesday pm all shops except food shops were closed down until the 10th Jan, so Monday and Tuesday were chaotic and on Friday like a ghost town. How many of the small independent shops will survive ?

Great that you reported on the Retraction request letter but please could LDS report the most important news to come out of Germany in 2020 since the start of the casedemic – the Cease and Desist letter to Christian Drosten sent to him on 15/12 by the German/American lawyer Dr Reiner Füllmich.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  helen

Great stuff, Helen.

May I ask, have you sent the English version of the cease and desist letter to:
lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

I entirely agree with you about its importance.

If there is any way out of this complete weird out, that must be a good start.

Many thanks for this most interesting post.

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helen
helen
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

No Tim, not yet an official version is in the making.. but its 18 pages long.

I did a DeepL (web site) translation of the letter over night on 16th after someone else had converted the pdf letter into a google doc. It was not so good but OK for the 1/2 page abstract I posted.

We are hoping for a summary but I am not very sure whether we will get one. We will do our very best to get something to Toby. Thanks for the address.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  helen

Brilliant, Helen. Great and vital work.

Thank you very much indeed.

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Louieg
Louieg
4 years ago

Last night my partner and I went to a Carol Service. Nothing unusual in that, other than the depressing diktat that only the choir were allowed to sing which I knew in advance. This took place in an enormous parish church in a tiny village on the Welsh border in Shropshire where the  congregation including the choir probably numbered around 50 being generous. Nothing unusual but for us another ordeal.

You see we don’t wear masks, on medical grounds. We both wear large badges, I wear mine on a NHS lanyard in order to draw attention to it, but far too often it does not. I don’t think anyone quite realises how difficult it is to stand out from the crowd of mask wearers in such a conformist and sanctimonious climate.

This was certainly the case last night when the vicar greeting us as we arrived clearly didn’t clock the badges and at the beginning of the service announced to the congregation that mask wearing was an absolute must, clearly directed at us! Luckily we were seated at the front so didn’t have to see any accusatory stares! 

After it was over we waited respectfully for the aisle to clear before we left as we are very mindful of keeping our distance, but it soon became apparent that everyone knew each other and was delighted to have the opportunity to have a good chinwag. They were all wearing masks and there was no ‘social distancing’(how I hate those words) whatsoever. Again I was struck by the ability of people to acquiesce to this pantomime without question. Fortunately no one challenged us and the Vicar bade us a friendly goodbye and Happy Christmas, hopefully having realised by now that we were mask exempt.

Indeed I have to say that we have only encountered one hostile person, a youngster who demanded to know why we couldn’t wear a face shield, as if it were any of her business! Soon put her straight on the Disability Discrimination Act!! But every trip out, and we do go out a lot( we are in Tier 2) and try and support local pubs as much as our budget will allow, and shopping is an ordeal as we Never see anyone without a mask except the occasional cashier in Aldi. The dehumanising effect is enormous and depressing. We deliberately don’t make eye contact with anyone, and indeed, what is the point, as we can’t tell what response we are getting!! I talk delightedly to cashiers without masks and they are genuinely pleased to respond, in fact one said that they were trying to work out what was different about us, ‘I can see your lips’ she said.

I just don’t understand how so many people are going along with this nonsense, saying they hate wearing masks but continuing to do so. I can only conclude that you have to be very brave to stand up against the overwhelming public pressure, but sometimes I think, no I’ll just stay indoors……

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Louieg

I admire your courage. I no longer attend church because I refuse to mingle with masked people unless I absolutely have to. I can claim exemption but what is the point when everyone else is masked? Our local vicar was even shown proudly wearing his mask on the cover of the parish magazine, in which he basically told people to stay away from his church unless they were unable to watch the services on Facebook.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Louieg

The nasty vicar must be related to the rector at Tenby who pilloried me. Nasty little moral dwarfs.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Louieg

Lovely post…what was the shropshire village as I live there too?

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ianric
ianric
4 years ago

Do you see numerous examples of governments wouldn’t need to do this in a real pandemic and what kind of things would you list. For instance, in a real pandemic the government wouldn’t need to use the MSM to pump out constant fear porn propoganda.

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Panda
Panda
4 years ago

They are about to make their next move in that news conference at 4pm. The mutant strain thing is exactly what the sheep will keep on chewing on since the fear levels were starting to slip. It will also quell Tory backbench dissent to some degree as they aren’t strong enough to stand up against this level of propaganda.

That should get them through to April/May with pretty much full lockdowns I’m guessing. Who knows what they have in store for us after that?

How did it come it this?

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Panda

Because the majority of the public are cowards and have been asleep.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Panda

Daytime and reality television.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Dumbing down of education,collapse of religious belief.The destruction of tight knit working class communities through unemployment,family breakdown,mass immigration and drug abuse.A divided country is easier to control.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Panda

They couldn’t have gotten away with these Christmas rules without the mutant strain excuse. It’s so transparent and blatant – like a child caught with its hand in the cookie jar.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Don’t be alarmed if people start dying after being tested positive for Covid-19. One of the things we want to make sure people understand is that they should not be unnecessarily alarmed if there are reports of someone or multiple people dying soon after being tested positive for Covid who are residents of a long-term care facility.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Indeed, if the vaccine hastens the deaths of a few oldies, who cares?
But if Covid does the same….

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago

I’ve been watching a livestream of the protest in London,the behaviour of the Police is beyond shocking,the aggression,particularly when used on peaceful female protestors,has made my blood boil.I cannot believe that this is the same country I was born in and have lived in for 52 years and for the most part have always been proud of.

Link to livestream,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3DnwbGqaE

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Salopian’
Salopian’
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Just returning from a very small ,50 or so ,peaceful march in Manchester well outnumbered by police including mounted ,reasonable at first but at the end surrounded us and made several arrests for no reason .
Passed a small eu rally no police in sight .
This is a political attack on free speech and clearly the police have been given orders and massive resources to collaborate and suppress dissent.
Will any public figures step forward for freedom and lead a march?

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Salopian’

The EU rally is pro establishment so the cops have no problem with that.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I would love to see these aggressive police get a real kicking.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/19/update-on-the-swedish-covid-response/

Not the disaster the media is making it into.
But subject to the same political idiots, only that the constitution stood more in their way.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago

https://swprs.org/the-irish-lockdown-illusion/

The Irish lockdown was NOT a success or role model.
Just further proof of our manipulation through PCR testing and that lockdowns DON’T work.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

Just logged on today and wish I hadn’t.
The report from Austria is ….depressing, making me angry, making me cry, disbelieve.

Low uptake on testing obviously people do not see the sense in it.

How are they going to “mark” people who had a test and more freedoms? Yellow star? red, white and black armband to be worn over your coat?

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

Reason to feel a bit more positive: Sceptic cartoon in the I paper this morning.

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D B
D B
4 years ago

Looks like our PM is going to use the “nuclear option” on his own people for a third time… at what point will this end? No excess deaths, surely every person in the UK has some level of immunity if their numbers are to be believed. I don’t know when this will end, I can’t see it happening.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago

Oh the panic…the terror!!!

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago

Nicola the dictator is gearing up for the “new strain” holding an emergency meeting today.

What utter fucking blatant lies this is becoming now.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nicola-sturgeon-warns-preventative-action-23192679#comments-section

I have commented on the article, but I expect it to be disabled/deleted.

My comment

“ Unbelievable. Yesterday, the dentist said about wearing masks when having your Xmas dinner, which is utter nonsense. & now, to keep up the scaremongering, we are being buttered up for a “new strain” & even more harsh lockdowns.
Please wake up here people, we are being lied to & taken for mugs.
There are world renowned epidemiologists who know what they are talking about, saying that this whole thing is utter rubbish, it is no more worse than the common flu virus. Yet, these same people do not get the airtime in the mainstream media to tel it like it actually is because it doesn’t fit in with all the scaremongering & lies being spread by the government & the mainstream media.
Life, freedoms, liberties, democracy & the economy…a thing of the past. 2020 is the year all of this died, caused by the government & the lies they tell. & the brainwashed sheep follow the lies blindly”

Yes peeps, we are all royally fucked until the masses start waking up to this shit. & by the time they do wake up, it will be too late.

Last edited 4 years ago by AnotherSceptic
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Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
4 years ago

An interesting angle on the mutant strain ploy is that no one can say that it is anyone’s fault. Whereas the ‘R’ going above 1 etc. could be blamed on ‘irresponsible’ people, the (fictional) mutant strain could, if anything, be portrayed as a consequence of lack of interaction between people.

So portraying the new strain as an emergency that supersedes the previous Covid narrative means that Covid has lost its ‘end game’ story. Even if it were possible to ensure everyone obeyed ‘the rules’, it couldn’t prevent frightening new strains from developing. So the people can now see clearly that there is no end to this no matter what they do.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

But they do think there is an end – if everyone would just stay locked in their houses for 4 weeks without going out to obtain food or medical help, it would be gone. No water, gas, elecricity, waste collection, internet etc etc – in fact no food pretty quickly as all imports and production would have to stop – but it’s a small price to pay.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Yes, that’s the kind of garbage that appears in letters in the Metro rag. What would they say if their house went on fire? “Just as well the fire brigade aren’t operating, I don’t want them putting it out in case they give me covid.”

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Generally speaking, isn’t it a rule that the more infectious a virus, the less deadly it is? It used to be anyway.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Yes. Note how they haven’t bothered to tell us how “deadly” they think this new one might be.

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Laurence
Laurence
4 years ago

“California counts the dead by the hour as its I.C.U.s fill up.”

The New York Times, a reliable source of complete garbage on COVID, came up with this yesterday .

They then go on to say that 2 people per hour are dying of COVID in LA county (although this just means with a positive test), that’s 48 a day or 17,500 a year if they had this every day for the next year (which of course they won’t). To put it in context, there are just over 10 million people in LA county, so this would represent an annual rate of 0.175%

The excess deaths on an age and population adjusted basis for the whole of California this year (to week 45) is around 22,000, and clearly looking at the age spread (48% excess deaths aged under 65) a huge number of these are nothing to do with Covid itself but the ridiculous reaction to it.

In reality, LA’s ‘COVID’ deaths per head of population is lower than the US as a whole, so the excess deaths are around 22,000 x 10 million / 40 million, around 5500 this year.

But the true story: “LA loses 17 people per day to COVID, most of whom died as result of government incompetence” doesn’t sell papers.

And,to be honest, I don’t think the journalists involved can even ‘do the math’. 

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago

Austria announced on Friday it will enter its third coronavirus lockdown on December 26th, but those who take part in a planned series of mass testing programme in January will be allowed more freedoms.

There is a lot of resistance build
ing up against that coercion.
‘Kurz muss weg’ ist trending big time over there now.
Fingers xd….

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

I have often observed him at various EU meetings with some interest. Very young, dresses very strangely, not obvious which of the two sides of society he comes from (the banks, universities, fraternities divide into two – am I correct?). Who, and what is he?

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

Sie müssen alle weg, die kurzen, die langen, und die, die in der Mitte liegen.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago

In Cologne, the insane mayor has seriously suggested to replace the now forbidden New Years fireworks with a switching on/and off of the lights in ones home at 00:00.
I suspect, that many infantile imbeciles will obey.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

All my life I have supported the police. No convictions. Not even an endorsement on my driving licence

I now consider them utter scum

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Never trusted em and I’m 72.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Then I apologise for taking so long to reach your standard. There’s no such thing as “just a conversation” with one of them; talking to the police is like feeding a rattlesnake, it’s always, always looking for an opportunity to bite you.

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

i feel the same – a law abiding person – i would cross the road to avoid them as i don’t trust them – they’re state licenced thugs

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Sue

But not cross the road to piss on them if they were on fire.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

For example:

https://www.rebelnews.com/fined_for_playing_football_uk_cops_on_film_charging_man_leaving_sports_field_with_family?utm_campaign=bl_fatherftf_12_18_2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=therebel

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Peter Hitchens pointed out something I have noticed as well – that over the last 25 years or so the police have changed from an unarmed, civilian force whose motto was ‘softly softly’ into an armed paramilitary wing of the state, like a continental police force. I believe Scotland now has a national police force and I’m surprised England hasn’t already.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Ditto. Loathsome lice in the locks of decent society.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Not only do I agree, I would never speak to them except for the absolute legal minimum words, and I won’t give any of them any help under any circumstances. They have lost any right to assistance, respect or civil interaction. They are on their own from now on, because they are an occupying enemy force.

Except for one purpose; I will take every opportunity to sue them that I can manage. It seems to be the only possible way of keeping them under any form of vague control. You might be interested in Crimebodge on YouTube; he is an utter hero.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

I’m a big guy and would have helped the coppers out at one time if they were struggling in a rumble. Not now…I would not lift a finger for them.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Hear,hear.

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago

Recommend listening this guy Dan Astin Gregory who does regular podcasts.
Really good balanced discussion backed with figures/evidence etc.

He’s doing a podcast on the ‘new strain’ worth a listen

https://www.facebook.com/danjgregory

https://www.danjgregory.com/pandemic

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago

Seriously needing a drink; almost yelled at an old woman who gingerly stepped behind a lamppost – into the mud, nettles + dogshit- because she clearly didn’t find the 6′ wide pavement big enough for us to pass each other safely. I said “It’s NOT THAT BAD!!!” Another middle-aged couple preferred stepping into a busy road rather than share a path with me for 2 seconds. Gawd – I’m clean and tidy – it’s not like I’m a bag lady.
Never mind -posted my Back To Normal leaflets but the only normal, unmasked human interaction today was when I bought a Xmas Big Issue. Listening to Any Answers has just tipped me over the edge into needing alcohol; Lockdown fanatics to a man/woman. Ugh!

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

What you need is nice dose of nothingness. If you can, get into the wilderness, even for a short while. I’ve just came back from a wander on the moors. No humans. Just bleakness and the icy Winter wind. Lovely.

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Found a dot-to-dot book in the mag rack. Doing a couple with a glass of Harvey’s on the sofa; next best thing.

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davews
davews
4 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

I had an ugly look from a woman waiting with her dog right by the exit from our local station. Moved angrily back when I had the nerve to try to walk into the station, and as a train had just come in a chap with suitcases coming out. If you stand blocking a station entrance you are just asking for it.

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

Thank God for this place and people who understand!

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

Remember only those that are fanatical about the establishment narrative get put on these programmes. Dissenting opinion is censored.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

The BBC would not read out any that were not.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

I am now getting to the point where I am seriously thinking about how to get away from this and possibly set up or join a new community or country. How can we secede from U.K. and global governance? Hats off to the Amish in many respects, they seem to have nailed it.

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

I think one of their number said the reason they didn’t have Covid, was because they don’t have TV. Very perceptive.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Let me know what you come up with – seriously!

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

I`d like to join you

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  watashi

Yes, James Corbett talks a lot about agoras — a voluntary form of exchange between people — as a way of extricating oneself from fiat currency and dependence on the state. As we are marched towards technocracy the only viable alternative might be to go “old school” and become communitarian and form local networks of like-minded people with whom we can exchange goods and services.

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HertsMT
HertsMT
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

I was brought up on a farm, so I probably have some skills that could be useful. My partner and I are seriously discussing exactly this, happy to surround ourselves with and enjoy the company of a huge number of regular contributors on here.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Out of interest, I wonder what the ‘case’ rates are among the Amish?

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago

In a Rage Against the Machine mood right now. Anyone else?

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  nocheesegromit

yes!

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  nocheesegromit

Yep, I have bruised hands after my session on the heavy bag this morning 🙄

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  nocheesegromit

Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me.

We need someone playing g it 24/7 outside HoP.

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

We need it laser projected across the country.

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

I also like the refrain ‘Now you do what they told you, now you’re under control’

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

Handoncock challenged over mutant strain:

https://timeforrecovery.org/mutantstrain/

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Had some good face-to-face responses from giving out those little cards with this website’s address on it when chat to people when out and about the past few weeks.

People were not out and out sceptical but knew something was wrong and didn’t know who/where to ask questions and didn’t know others felt like they did.

Anyone out there I’ve spoken to recently (you know who you are) reading this while lurking in the background?

Speak up and join in.

Last edited 4 years ago by Awkward Git
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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

Tier fucking four? Time for Herod to come out of Number 10 and slaughter the first born.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Should be easy, as they’ve had plenty if practice with the weak and helpless at the other end of life’s span.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

New Covid-19 strain ‘can spread more quickly’ – Whitty
No its’ not witty, in fact it is not funny at all.

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Poppy
Poppy
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/Carolin64723572/status/1340288874472493059

Apparently Christmas is going to be cancelled for the new Tier 4 areas (believed to be London and South East) with ‘Christmas bubbles’ only allowed for Tiers 1 – 3.

Unfortunately cannot verify this info – I guess we’ll find out after 4pm. If it is true, good luck enforcing this shit. Dividing the country so bitterly 6 days before the biggest national holiday in this country, when people have already made plans, is not going to end well.

Last edited 4 years ago by Poppy
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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I sincerely hope it doesn’t end well. If we can believe the leaks, I think the gits may have gone too far this time.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

This would have been measured and assessed and they believe they can get away with it.After the last 9 months I think they are right.
We are a defeated and subjugated population.The scale of pushback is minuscule considering the harm the government has caused.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

I agree. The general response seems to be “well, it’s all or nothing. Lockdowns work”

People are certainly defeated in the main. The Lockdowns work idea will be defended until the death

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

People seem to forget we just had a national lockdown in November.It worked so well we are having another one 3 weeks later

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

In addition to mass hysteria, I believe the sheeple also suffer from profound memory loss.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Regrettably you could be right. The level of fear instilled into the sheeple is immense. Rational thinking no longer takes place.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

I did a double take at a post on a Facebook group which was praising Whitty. Praising him! I thought it was a joke at first but realised it was serious. Comments about his ‘calm and sensible approach to the crisis’ etc. I felt sick. That site really is toxic.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

We’ve said that before though and yet the sheeples just keep obeying.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Tier 4 ffs, so that’s very very very high then is it?

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

The mask zombies will do as their told sadly.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

In which case, I would have no concerns if they sadlidie as a result.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Is this another nail in the “it’s incompetence” theory?

More pre-planning:

https://twitter.com/TJ0055/status/1339537126627676160

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

And this from November 2019:

https://twitter.com/Atters68/status/1339557154068545536

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Dates tally with the official government website.

https://www.gov.ie/en/service/49c66f-registering-a-death-in-ireland/

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Joseph
Joseph
4 years ago

Seriously considering a total news blackout soon, possibly even no screens at all for a period.

We are witnessing and victims of a new form of global terrorism, being gaslit and laughed at.

Earlier in the year I felt comparisons to the world wars were OTT. It is starting to seem more valid. It feels like the world will never be the same again.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Joseph

Problem is that it is not us that needs it.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Joseph

As much as I sympathize, and I also like a screen-free period now and then, I suspect that now is not the right time to take one’s eye off the ball.

This won’t go on for ever.

The comparison to World Wars is spot on.

This is the end of an era, just as 1914 was.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Joseph

The only way I can describe it is as sort of global coup mixed with worldwide mass hysteria. Something along the lines of the French or Russian revolutions, but no longer restricted to a geographical area. Hang on to your hats folks, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

Last edited 4 years ago by Cranmer
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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Got a sturdy hat so will enjoy the ride . Bring it on

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominic

Now take a look at all them leaders
Desperation in their eyes
The tight faced smiles that cannot hide it
They know no more than you or I

So I’m gonna buy a hat
‘Cos here they come again
And when they start to blah blah
It’s you and me that gets the rain

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PompeyJunglist
PompeyJunglist
4 years ago

12700 mutations discovered to date across 99 countries and scientists didn’t find any that increased transmission.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-mutations/mutations-not-making-coronavirus-able-to-spread-more-rapidly-study-idINKBN28518L

What rotten luck for one that’s massively more infectious to pop up in the UK just before Christmas.

If you think it might instead be the creation of the most authoritarian government since Cromwell, an administration that created a whole team of behavioural psychologists to gaslight and terrify you all year, well you’re obviously some sort of far right, conspiracy nut.

Now has anyone got some magic beans they can sell me?

Last edited 4 years ago by PompeyJunglist
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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  PompeyJunglist

This is psychological war on the public.Can all the incompetence theorists just accept you are wrong so we can unite to fight the common enemy.There is obviously a plan to lock down over Christmas,they are closing off any avenue where people can mix and discuss what is going on.
Remember all cause mortality is normal this year.There is no pandemic.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Spot on and I’m sure the plans are well in place for after christmas too.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  PompeyJunglist

The Government are following directions handed to them from elsewhere. They haven’t the capability to be directing such an operation.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago

https://timeforrecovery.org/mutantstrain/

The new strain.
Not so new at all.
Another invention.
Solely made to enable the prolongation of their abuse of power.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

There’s been over 10,000 recognised strains, what a coincidence that that one just happens to pop up in a mass testing area just in time to cancel Christmas!

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago

The sadlidied report for today
NHS England reports 339 more coronavirus deaths A further 339 people who tested positive for coronavirus have died in hospital in England, NHS England said on Saturday. 
Patients were aged between 44 and 100. All except 13, aged between 64 and 95, had known underlying health conditions.
The deaths were >between 5 November and 18 December.<
Eighteen other deaths were reported with no positive Covid-19 test result.< what does that mean?? we just stuck them in there anyway

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago

Feeling a bit low today. Just heard from a family member that my invitation to theirs on Christmas Day has been revoked, due to the ‘worrying rise in cases’. Up until now I thought he was a moderate sceptic but it seems he’s caught the fear. On the plus side, we had a great ‘business meeting’ last night with two regulars from the local pub in my cottage. They are mild sceptics, with more of a ‘there’s a bullet with your name on it’ approach than actual scepticism, but that’s fine with me.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

My cousin emailed me to wish me a Merry Christmas and apologise for not sending me a Christmas card because he’s self isolating! What a cop out!

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kenadams
kenadams
4 years ago

I can’t bring myself to actually watch at 4. Can someone braver than me do the honours please and update us all on here?

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  kenadams

Same here. I just cannot watch that Clown Show. And today we have the Chuckle Brothers.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

They always wheel out the big guns for the really bad news

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

I’m wondering if there’s going to be some announcement about Brexit either today or early next week. Eg, a postponement of talks and an indefinite continuation under existing EU rules. Today’s talk is to build up fear levels to the maximum as a distraction.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Probably, due to the mutant virus being even more lethal than the last one we will delay our departure until next year just to keep us safe!.

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago
Reply to  kenadams

I haven’t watched one in months for the same reason but my other half is desperately worried that he’ll be prevented from going back home to see his family at Christmas (the most important event of the year for him) so it’ll be on.

If I hadn’t quit drinking a while back it would be easier to bear after a few but that’s not an option so I’m currently assuming the brace position…

Last edited 4 years ago by DomW
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kenadams
kenadams
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

I’m considering buying some E. haven’t used it since I was a student, but it would be good to feel good again, even if only for a few hours!

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

There is no Great Reset.. just a great depression.
The bankers took all the apples. Now they want the pips.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Yet the people continue to trade with their fake money. We are just starting to see how such actions have consequences.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I knew this at the beginning of the year…it was soooooo obvious with Trump’s Election coming up and the Green Revolution that was on the horizon.Anybody who had even been slightly awake would know this is all PLANNED……….

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Oh it was definitely planned.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago

I feel like I am living through some bizarre Monty Python sketch.

Tier 4?….what the HELL does that actually mean?

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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

The utterly pathetic Johnson, unable to make a decision for himself or keep a promise, is u-turning on the Christmas bubbles plan for most of the South East.

I am so depressed today. I feel like this country has been destroyed.

3 weeks to save the NHS? More like a year of gradual destruction. Cheered on by the BBC, the CofE and all the other useless institutions.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  James007

“The long march through the Institutions”…classic Communism.

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Monty Python makes more sense

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

It’s kind of like our Premier talking about grey zones needing to be more grey because the measures aren’t working. We don’t have tiers, ours are colour coded with grey being lockdown and the most extreme. I’m guessing more grey means black, which I’m thinking is a Melbourne-style, police state lockdown. Because if none of the measures are working to stop the spread, surely doing more of the same is the way to go.

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stevie
stevie
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

VERY VERY HIGH?

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  stevie

Higher than the highest high?…or slightly lower than the highest high in Highland?….its all BULLSHIT

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Take no notice, they are obviously enjoying themselves making up stuff. Sit down put on some Christmas music and pour yourself a large one! It works for me!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

It means they are taking the piss.

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alw
alw
4 years ago

More lies will be told at 4

”Matt Hancock challenged to reveal details of so-called ‘mutant strain’
19/12/20
Recovery today challenged Health Secretary Matt Hancock to reveal the details of the strain of SARS COV-19 that he announced on Monday as a new and more infectious mutation, as evidence emerged that those claims may have been seriously misleading.”

https://timeforrecovery.org/mutantstrain/

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

I do hope Cock doesn’t have to put on another crying farce..

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

as covid 19 hasn’t been isolated yet it will be interesting to know how they are going to get around this one!

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Just about sane
Just about sane
4 years ago

So 572 people tested ‘positive’ for covid in Scotland today out of a population of five and a half million people that live in a space of just over 30,400 sq miles, yes under 6 million people spread out over. 30,000 sq Miles and our esteemed witch in the capital has this to say ”
Nicola Sturgeon
@NicolaSturgeon
Following a 4 nations COVID call earlier, I’ll chair @scotgov Cabinet meeting this afternoon to discuss emerging evidence on new variant. Cases currently at lower level in Scotland than rUK – but preventative action may be necessary to stop faster spreading strain taking hold.”

Should read,” I can’t believe my luck, I’m going to screw those plebs again and they’re going to think I’m bloody wonderful”

My message before she tells the rest of the idiots that Christmas is cancelled and they cheer, well my Christmas will be going ahead, my granddaughter 21st will go ahead as well as the other birthdays we celebrate this month, a new strain of covid is the least of my worries at the moment and you and you’re fkn cronies in the UK government have stolen as much of my fkn freedoms and life as they are going to. So take your threats and stick them where the sun don’t shine.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Good for you.I hope you enjoy yourselves and hug your loved ones…..dont let the bastards stop you.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Thank you, this gran is sitting at this moment cuddling her 14 month old grandson while he has his afternoon sleep. It’s bliss to snuggle sleeping babies.

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Scouse Sceptic
Scouse Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Plenty of kisses too I hope 🙂

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Sounds lovely, never allow the big cunts to stop that.

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago

I do hope this is something buried under 10 layers of irony.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago

“…I wish I’d lived a different life. I wish I’d been less fearful and self-conscious, and just taken the risks, tested life for what it had to offer and tested myself for what I had to offer life. But I didn’t. So that’s that.
I think most people must derive a purpose in life from their children, which I don’t have, so I don’t know how that works…..”

I too know exactly how that feels – around 10 hours after you wrote that I am sitting with local radio on – they are playing music from 70s when I was a teenager. Life seemed to stretch far into the future then, it’s amazing how that time flies.

My big joy was becoming an uncle 20 odd years ago – then hope for the future – now I worry for the future for my neice.

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chris
chris
4 years ago

Just wondering if it’s spite or just that Boris’s handlers are expecting something really bad soon and want to be able to call in the army? Brexit cancelled? Channel Tunnel closed. Power grid down? Martial law? Martial law in Arizona etc? £Devaluation? Food shortages? Bi.de.n seriously ill? Covid 21? on the 16th Dec Boris said it would be inhuman to cancel Christmas. On the 19th he’s done what he always does, U turn.

Boris is a fool.

Surely by now, no one could doubt the world wide secret conspiracy to destroy western christian democracy coalescing around Chyna.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

correct…this has been coming for years to be fair………Equalities Act 2010…….

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

Starmer is Party to the plot.That is why he is always ahead of the curve in calling for tighter restrictions;he knows they are coming.

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chris
chris
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

I know a few QC’s. In comparison, Starmer is an intellectual and oratorial pigmy. He was called to the Bar when connections and Dining were the only pre requisite.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

No he isn’t a fool, that would be a let off for his actions, he is a dangerous stooge!

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chris
chris
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Yes he both a stooge and a fool. 30 pieces of silver and a young bonk buddy. They know Boris’s weaknesses. Swalwell fell for the same. Perhaps Fang Fang was busy.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

Surely, dePiffle has known exactly what he was doing.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

See Ernst Wolff #Corona – The Collapse of the System

China is doing this. It has no need to

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

I understand. Stay strong. You are in the majority.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

worryingly Ben I dont think we are……

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Newspaper comments all say same as us though?

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago

I’m struggling to keep a lid on my anger.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

Just got back from the shops, filled with the usual 97% muzzombie content but also saw the MIU now has an offical signed vaccine queue. No area for other services advertised funnily enough.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago

Johnson is always LATE for his conferences?…anybody noticed that?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Usually cos nut nut is giving him a blowjob

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Probablly explains why he waffles. His mind is in that post-coitus empty window

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Hitler was always late for his rallies. It helped to build up tension.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Getting programmed before he shows his face

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

Rehearsing the script. Ironing out the smirks.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

Someone please stop these arseholes.

It’s Saturday before Christmas for fuck sake. Halloween all over again.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

My friend said: “Boris is making an announcement this afternoon”

I replied: “The Government is threatening and terrorising us this afternoon”

Last edited 4 years ago by Ben
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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Damn straight!!

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

Same, plus anger, fear (not of the big bad cold), despair, and quite a few other things.

Last edited 4 years ago by DRW
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DomW
DomW
4 years ago

Will post updates as they come in. Will help to distract me from the rage that will inevitably rise…

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Danny
Danny
4 years ago

Trouble taking this. Waiting. Not one for panic attacks but struggling now. Really struggling.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

try Escitalopram…it works for me on a low dose.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Or mirtapazine 40mg take half a tab at night 9 hours sleep guranteed, Its an anti depressant, gives a good nights sleep, you dont feel easily depressed if you have had a good sleep and you always feel much brighter when you wake up.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

Or listen to music. Plenty designed for relaxation/de-stress available on youtube. Better than becoming a junkie.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

I’m on low dose venlafaxine.. inositol.. magnesium.. glycine.. theanine..

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Hang on Danny. I started having them in April. First time in my 60 years on this planet.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Danny try not to get too upset. Its not worth ruining your mental health for. Don’t cancel your Christmas fxxk ’em, try and enjoy your Christmas.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Hi Danny, you’re a teacher aren’t you who is resisting masks in schools? Get in touch with UsForThem, let’s help one another.

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago

Not started yet but rolling BBC banner says Tier 4 for London + South East expected. Means all “non-essential” shops would close

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

That fat lazy fuck still can’t be bothered to turn up on time. Shows the contempt it holds for us.

Last edited 4 years ago by TheBluePill
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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

classic authoritarianism

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Why do you allow yourself to be manipulated by him? I don’t watch the fat shit.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

I watch it live to see any slip ups and the tells that the fat shit has.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

I’d rather have a tooth extracted.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago

Im bubbling with rage I hate that fucking word bubble I rpredicit that if he locks up London there will be serious civil disobedience, which will be triggered by some over the top action by the Met. This is off the scale bullshit. I never watch Sky but I hae ust tuned in to watch Blojos speech, the presenter is talking nonsense about the new strain which he says is running riot in Kent the South East and London. Based on what real evidence?the other presenter is sucking blojo’s balls say he doesnt want to do it. Its the new strain, the pressure is so urgent blah blah fucking blah. All the science about the new strain is that it is worse than any other virus in the history of the world and its the end of the world. Absolute gold plated bollocks I ve had to pull my earplugs out tostop listening. for fucks sake what are the doing

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Scouse Sceptic
Scouse Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

I seriously hope you’re right, it’s gone on far too long – we needn’t be afraid of the police or Boris’ cronies. We must fight.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Scouse Sceptic

from one scouse to another yes its fucking time

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

It’s Sam Coates, and he has a degree in English. No more to say!

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

Effective LD3 for London/SE and Christmas cancelled, I really hope this is the last straw. Unfortunately the sheeples have been compliant so far.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

You cannot “cancel” Christmas. It is a religious feast day.

Can your birthday be cancelled?

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Well, Christmas visits which I thought was a main point.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Well that’s different and visits are not the “main point” if you’re a Christian.

(Admittedly, there aren’t many of them around these days.)

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

So how are they going to stop us leaving to visit family? Are there going to be roadblocks? Army checkpoints?

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Probably yes!

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Paulito
Paulito
4 years ago

Just seen a video of people in Malaga Spain who refuse to wear face nappies queuing to be fined. Bear in mind that the humilliating practice of compusory muzzling is rigorously enforced in Spain but some judges have overturned fines. I don’t have a twitter account but the video is on @bassalt. They are saying that they are sick of masks and want to breathe. A lady in the queue says “we aren’t afraid”.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Paulito

I saw a video of a protest in Madrid over the summer in which a man was interviewed. He said that he’d lived through Franco and this was worse

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

There was some good footage in the summer of passers-by intervening in Spain to stop police arresting an unmasked man in the street.

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Paulito
Paulito
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

That man was spot on. The government in Spain has Venezuela has a model. Criminals and murderers.

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Paulito
Paulito
4 years ago
Reply to  Paulito

The lady commenting on the footage also said “of course we’ll appeal”(the fines). This is a great táctic to bog down the courts. The criminal Spanish government also announced today their mass poisioning, sorry, vaccination is starting on the 27th.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Paulito

It is better to die on your feet than to live forever on your knees.
La Pasionaria.
Apologies if my Spanish spelling is wrong.

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Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
4 years ago

Our knob of a Chief Minister here in the Isle of Man is congratulating the returning students on obeying the isolation rules.

I said to my son that the threat of six weeks in jail and a criminal record will have that effect.

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Mac Lir
Mac Lir
4 years ago
Reply to  Dame Lynet

Fastyr mie, yessir! Good to see another Manxie on here.

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Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
4 years ago
Reply to  Mac Lir

Fastyr mie! Kys t’ou?

I’m a stopover, been here twenty years and loved it up until this year
🙁

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago

Started. Bojo on his own for now.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago

I refuse to watch this shit.

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I do normally

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Why do you need to watch it now? I never have and I never will.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Never seen one of them yet.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I never watch. My TV wouldn’t survive.

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago

Waflling about increased spread and new strain

NERVTAG have been analysing.

No evidence it causes higher morbidity or mortality, just spreads more easily – up to 70% more transmissible

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

So basically they are seeing shapes in clouds.

The whole thing is predicated on belief in a unique viral threat.

Everyday many politicians demonstrating the reasons they can’t be employed in other jobs.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago

The ‘R’ rate can be increased by 0.4!!!!!!! with the ‘new variant’….WOW thanks Boris you wanker

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago

Here we go

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

theory #28228

claim there is a dangerous variant of virus to increase uptake of vax?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

That’s probably why the foot in on the fear pedal.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Maybe, but I think they just don’t want people to ever relax and forget about it. Even for a moment. They are determined to keep the majority in a state of fear and anxiety.

It’s bloody lunacy.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Maybe it’s the shadow world government you’re working for that’s doing it. Nah off course not it’s only coincidence that every single country in the fucking world is doing exactly the same things. They’re all useless and incompetent aren’t they?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Skipping that bit. This was never about a virus and it isn’t about a vax. It’s about complete social control.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Fear is the driver for this, but the vehicle is indeed a virus.

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago

Tier 4 for London, SE and East. Similar to November lockdown. No entry or exit of Tier 4 area

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

From tomorrow morning

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Gulag.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

East Berlin is what came to mind.

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago

Christmas coming, CUNT!

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

God, I never realised politicians could generate so much hate against themselves.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago

The elected leaders of the western world are obeying their global Despots, wonder if its all willingly?

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

There is a British Hunter Biden and it might be Boris.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Honestly, I wonder if Boris is actually in charge now. Those two prats beside him, are they there to support him or make sure he says what he is told to say.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

He’s never been in charge.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

He’s always been in charge.

Don’t let the fat shit and his government off the hook!

Parliament makes the laws in this country. And that is all that matters.

Gates doesn’t make the laws in this country. Schwab doesn’t make the laws in this country.

They have ZERO power over Johnson.

Johnson is a gullible fool, but he is in charge. Never let him forget that he is 100% responsible for this. 100%.

Last edited 4 years ago by John P
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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

John P you’re so fucking wrong that i must now consider you to be one of them trying to hide what is going on. That or you’re a total fucking moron , either way every word you now post i will consider an attack on the British people

Last edited 4 years ago by Biker
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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

It was underlined and in bold though so must be a statement of fact….

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago

“Very heavy heart”

No mixing with anyone outside your home at Christmas if in Tier 4, except bubbles

Otherwise, 3 house mixing is Christmas day only

Evil bastards

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

You need to have a fucking heart in the first place to be able to have a heavy one.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Johnson is a fat, gullible shit.

Last edited 4 years ago by John P
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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Fat Well compensated shit – whatever he’s being paid is it enough to NEVER be out in public again?

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

But never as gullible as those who listen to him.

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Scouse Sceptic
Scouse Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

The prick doesn’t even have a swinging brick as a heart, we need to rise up and overthrow this government. It’s gone too far.

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VickyA
VickyA
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Test of mettle now. Could backfire? (We can only hope) Rebel, rebel, rebel and tell them to F.O.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

They still won’t see it,they will actually welcome it.L and SE now,the rest of England in the next two weeks,I bet on my town’s facebook group they will be already demanding it.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

This is exactly what I said in my email to my MP. She had the brass-necked effrontery to say that she only voted for the lockdown “with a heavy heart”; as if that would make me any more likely to believe her, or make the slightest difference to my reply. My response was that I, with an equally-heavy heart, would do everything in my power to ensure that she lost her seat.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Politicians will break the rules themselves no doubt

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago

Everything’s gone to shit, Boris is talking of ‘reclaiming’ lives in the future ………. life not worth living for many

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

It’s life Marialta – but not as we know.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

All the boats in the Med turning round and heading back to Libya!

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago

We will beat it, get back to our lives soon blah blah, yeah right.

Now over to Unbalanced, with his charts of doom. Probably not worth watching any further.

Johnson has just cancelled Christmas for everyone in London, SE and East of England. Even Hitler never managed to achieve that in WWII

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

It was never worth watching in the first place. I will get the “highlights” from Toby and the team tomorrow.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

I was just about to watch it there and thought the exact same John.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

My friend, I refuse to watch their propaganda.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Gave up.Give you a summary.Lockdown for London south east and east of England.Christmas day off for good behaviour.In other news Italy just announced a Christmas lockdown.

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

…the champagne is flowing, the courtesans rolling naked in dollar bills coated with caviar (etc).

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Minions on ITV.. Surprisingly they are talking far more sense than what is on BBC1

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Not if they have any sense and ignore the fat lump.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Didn’t watch. Just skimmed the headlines. Bastards!!!!!

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

I had to switch off when the first muppet came on with their ridiculous planted question along the lines of “please punish us more!” Where’s my wine.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

But you don’t understand, doodlebugs, V2’s, carpet bombing etc, they were never as dangerous as Borisavirus.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago

It’s winter in Narnia

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

I no longer live in a town. I live in a concentration camp.

Last edited 4 years ago by PatrickF
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DomW
DomW
4 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

I wondered why I was seeing “Krakowia Londyn” graffiti’d around here. Now I know why

Last edited 4 years ago by DomW
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Will
Will
4 years ago

I just heard the fat twat wittering away about the virus changing its means of attack… absolute horse shit. The only positive is that his sleight of hand to avoid a parliamentary rebellion means he will be gone by Easter and his poisonous bitch with him.

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

We can only hope

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smileymiley
smileymiley
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

He needs to be gone before then.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  smileymiley

Yeah, like yesterday.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  smileymiley

I’m sure he has a plan, Disappearing is what he does best, maybe apart from lying.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

I am convinced this is now closely connected with Brexit – either there is a betrayal coming or they are worried about a collapse of supply chains etc if they allow it to go ahead.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Are you reading this, you poisonous, bitch? Princess Nut-Nut? How does it feel to have the most recognisable face in London?

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

Ner trust a smilin hoss! : Black Country dialect.
Never believe anything that you hear and only half of that what you see!: Standard English.

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PompeyJunglist
PompeyJunglist
4 years ago

Well this is a first. I had a Chinese takeaway last night and the message in the fortune cookie both shocked and surprised me. Today it all makes sense, the message simply read “Ignore the fat cunt”.

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago

“ New variant first occurred in mid September and by November 60% of cases were new variant. “ new measures needed as this new variant more transmissible ….. blah blah

Last edited 4 years ago by Marialta
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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago

BOHICA

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago

Johnson has to go…we need to fight this people….big time

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago

Vallance talking total shite. If this ‘mutant strain’ has been around since September, and it was 70% more effective at transmission, it would not have been around 1,000 ‘cases’ when Handsy spoke on Monday. It would have completely dominated all ‘cases’ by now.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Emerged in September, only announced just before Christmas. Pull the fucking other one!

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CapLlam
CapLlam
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Exactly , more made up crap to keep everyone scared and compliant.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Absolute genius! – They can make up any old shit and the masses will believe it.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

It’s blatant propaganda to scare people. Six days before Christmas.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

To destroy a christian festival

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Biggles
Biggles
4 years ago

Next slide please…

4f83646ae818d1723c96f5c9b24ae30c77f6c10ad722f8f9b76c3bd194bf9185.jpg
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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  Biggles

Now that’s what I call a future classic.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

If you need cheering up, go and see Devi does Davos getting her ass kicked over mutant strain scare stories..

https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1340331424251932673

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago

Do we know when the wall gets built around the South? Will Hancock’s mates get the contract?

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

I don’t know, but I won’t be digging an escape tunnel for any police officer or politician.

I might sell tickets for the machine-gunning of politicians who are nominated to appear in their episode of the Hunger Games, though. What these evil scum don’t yet realise, is that it’s a small club (at the very top) and they aren’t in it. Google the Denver Airport murals, and you can see the concentration camp guards get killed as well.

Only the elite, the very elite, are intended to survive past the final stage of this Great Reset; even the politicians don’t realise that they are just the third stage of the thinning-out process.

Last edited 4 years ago by RichardJames
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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  RichardJames

Here is a combined photo of the guard (on the right) and him again, dead (on the left).

denver-airport-mural9.jpg
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Tony Rattray
Tony Rattray
4 years ago

Christmas banned in 1647 and 2020!

370 years+ in the making….How truly pathetic we have become…

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Rattray

It was in the 1650s. But 1649 is worth recalling. We cut off the King’s Head on January 30th

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

It’s happened as the Fat Controller ordained. I’ve caught the new virus and now I’m a teenage mutant Ninja Turtle. Cowabunga!

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
4 years ago

Anyone still going with the incompetence angle?

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Lainey
Lainey
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

My friend is, and I can’t bear to talk to her at the moment. I can’t face the wall between us.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Lainey

?

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

Yes.

You think these bloody people have got any sense?

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

Deluded people like to comfort themselves by labelling current events as ‘incompetence’. Dig a little deeper and it becomes clear that this exact same scenario is happening in every country around the world.

Is ten months of incompetence in every country possible?

This is far from incompetence but is instead expertly orchestrated and sinister. The motives are unclear. The members of the Covid Cabal who are terrorising the world remain unidentified.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

Remember Jean Van De Welde at the British Open in 1999? The concept of “a good idea” can be dangerous idiocy

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago

‘…if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties….’ WINSTON CHURCHILL

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

the lights of perverted science was very prescient as was Ike’s In holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago

For months on end powerful people have been pissing in our faces and telling us it’s raining.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

To be fair it does rain a lot in Scotland it’s hard to distringuish.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago

Whitty is talking faster than I have ever heard him, and ‘gasping’ for breath. He is lying.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Doing his usual shaky, sweaty act?

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LS99
LS99
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Yes, like they used to do on Big Brother – get a psychologist in or a body language specialist and tell us what’s what!

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  LS99

Day 3,987 in the Lockdown Hoose…Boris is hungover again, and Chris is getting worried about telling the rest of the housemates that they can’t visit the lounge because there’s a smell of covid in there…

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Yeah, like with proper journalists

Oh, wait . . .

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Tim Paton
Tim Paton
4 years ago

FFS I really can not take any more or the lunacy. I am seething with rage. What the hell is going on

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Fcuk off Boris
Fcuk off Boris
4 years ago
Reply to  Tim Paton

I completely agree, this is fu King ridiculous, I am so angry. We need to riot. They have no fucking right to take away even more of out freedom.

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John K
John K
4 years ago
Reply to  Fcuk off Boris

Agreed, massive civil disobedience is needed now, if this doesn’t wake the fuckwits up nothing will.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago

the ‘variant’ emerged in September!!!….just in time for Christmas!!!….well sort of………what a bunch of fucking FRAUDS

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago

You have to get it into your head that there are no limits to the cruelty, sadism, insanity and stupidity that people can exhibit. None. There is always a fresh hell awaiting.

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DomW
DomW
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

One of the cruellest things you can inflict on anyone is false hope

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Take everything from someone and then give them back something broken.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

No need for any expensive non-vaccines either.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago

Our government and their scientists are a bunch of cowards.

They\re not doing what’s best for us. They haven’t even asked themselves the question.
They are doing what is best for them. The only question they have bothered to ask themselves: “how do I protect myself”.

A weak and feeble population is being led by weak and cowardly leaders.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago

Undermines the need for a vaccine to achieve herd immunity. Oh, wait a minute, lock everyone down to stop the high transmission/likely lower virulent strain becoming endemic. Oh dear, pound note signs roll past!

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago

I live in kent. Still don’t know anyone who’s died from it. Don’t know anyone hospitalised. Know a couple of people who had a positive test. Know one person who had a flu like illness a few weeks ago. This is apparently what a deadly pandemic ripping through a region looks like. Or have I and everyone I know just been very lucky?

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

This ‘angry of Tunbridge Wells’ agrees!

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

We have friends and family all over the country and no one knows anyone who has the virus. This government needs to be removed as soon as possible.

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stefarm
stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

My parents and friends are in Kent, what’s the news?

P.s. they don’t know anyone who has had it either

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  stefarm

The news is that some people have had the flu, like every year. The other news is that the totalitarian government have made it illegal for me to see my family or cross the county border and the “free” press don’t care and neither do most of the people.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  stefarm

Nuke Sheppey seems to be the consensus round here since it’s all clearly their fault.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Wouldn’t Westminster be a better target?

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Told of someone (82, 3 bouts of cancer and a stroke that left him blind initially, all prior to ‘death by covid’). I’m afraid my heartless comment was that he’d done pretty well to live that long. Otherwise, no, a few who have been ill, one who has still not recovered his sense of smell.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Still don’t know anyone who’s died from it.

Ditto.

Don’t know anyone hospitalised.

Ditto.

Know a couple of people who had a positive test.

No, not even that.

Know one person who had a flu like illness a few weeks ago.

No, not that either.

But I do know somebody who has died because of lockdowns and the destruction of the NHS,

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago

October was the declaration of war on the British people. Today is the beginning of the actual attack.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

I agree, whole new chapter. Could go either way.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

I can see tier 4 covering most of the country soon, possibly as early as next week. What I don’t know is if this is the beginning of the end, or just the end of the beginning.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Hopefully it will be the end of something; Hopefully it will be the “BOZZER”, ET AL.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago

I have no words for this.

What a complete and utter disgrace.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

Vallance made a cock up I think. He was meant to say virus spread but started to say virus program before correcting himself.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

i’ll try some of that virus spread on my toast tomorrow .

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

mmm, “I Can’t Believe It’s Not Influenza” yum!

(with thanks to the originator of that joke).

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

That’s a cracker

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

Its like marmite, you either love it or hate it.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

Better than a vaccine.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

No, Vallance’s parents made a cock up

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago

So the SAGE vaccine salesman are panicking a week or so ago that relaxing rules over Christmas has no negative affect and their whole house of cards comes crashing down and then Keir Starmer starts putting pressure on government to back down so they quickly put their heads together and come up with a new ‘super dangerous mutant strain’ story which reluctantly means they have to cancel Christmas.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Keir Starmer wouldn’t want restrictions reduced, what the fuck are you talking about. That cunt wants harder lockdowns forever

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I meant backing down over reducing restrictions at Christmas so this latest nonsense is a way to do so while saving face.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Yes, IMO it’s a compromise to effectively cancel Christmas without actually admitting it. They’re probably doing it in London and the south east as that’s where there’s likely to be the lowest number of people who observe the festival. I also think it’s connected with Brexit and is a weaker version of martial law because of what might happen when the final ‘deal’ is announced.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

I misread that as “vacuum salesmen” but then SAGE have less credibility than that.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Yes (wringing hands). Otherwise you’ll all sadlidie.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

You will get nowhere with that kind of common sense.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

This is by far the biggest game of Simon Says in history.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Brilliant description of this madness.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

There will be more tears before the year is out.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

Glad I didn’t have to drink every time ‘vaccine’ was mentioned

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Im on the red wine…its a swig for every time they say ‘variant’….its working quite well

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago

What’s going on out there? Christmas cancelled in London. Cool i’m going to London then, fucking hate christmas

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Nikla may well cancel it there too. Maybe able to save an extortionate train fare.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

we can meet up and mutter “Humbug” at each other .

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Thumbs up and a me too. Maybe see you down there.

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mj
mj
4 years ago

let’s call it the Andromeda Strain as it is clearly going to wipe us all out and certainly those discussing it are not on this planet

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

No comment needed

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Dean
Dean
4 years ago

And as always, I’ll ignore it. Whatever it is they are vomiting I ignore it. The only way this stops is when everyone else ignores it. Oh how I long to see them all racked out at Tyburn.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Dean

What about hanging, drawing and quartering?
Any volunteers?

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Can’t we all have a whip round and hire a profession sniper to take out all three.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

12 bore or even a 16 bore shotgun; that should do it!

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

As much as I like the idea I think these comments will put this site in the spotlight. We need to be careful what we say.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

so you’re say freedom of speech just watch what you say?

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

As far as I am aware Biker calls to violence, however flippint this comment may be would not be classed as free speech.

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

how much do they charge?

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Dean
Dean
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I’ll shove Hancocks singed balls down his own throat and choke him to death. Quite poetic in some ways. And I’m usually such a non violent Buddhist type.

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  Dean

Bring on the gallows – today wouldn’t be too soon!!

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Yes, there is a time and a place for a Nelson Mandela forgiveness approach but at the present time our role model should be Robespierre

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago

we are ALL diseased and we dont know it? ‘Asymptomatic’???!!!….we must spend the smallest amount of time with our loved ones as possible!!!!…what a CROCK OF SHIT

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago

Never in the field of human history have so many been so fucked up by so few.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

The few who don’t have to follow the rules, do they, Tobias?

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

Not sure it is so few. Everybody who supported lockdown and everybody wearing masks just to begin with are all complicit. That is the vast majority of the nation. We all have a responsibility to ensure this can never happen.

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

agree. All of those who comply are collaborators

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago

I’ve been trying to fight all negative emotions with our impending 6 week lockdown and curfew from Boxing day. It’s hard. Even my husband who was never really as sceptical as I am is beginning to wise up to it all.
My sister and I were actually talking the other day about how psychologically damaging this all is for children. Them being so afraid of hugging Granny in case they kill her. It’s fucking absurd. I’m glad my children are too young to know what’s going on.
I cant remember who posted it the other day, but someone quoted stats from a study done on asymptomatic cases…..was it 7% or 0.7% chance of transmission? If anyone has a link I would appreciate it.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

It was a survey of 77,000 cases where a person had tested positive and self isolated over a two week period with family members.In cases where the person showed no symptoms, other family members contracted the virus in 0.7% of the cases. (18% where the person had symptoms).

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Thank you

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

Found the original thread. Posted 14 December.

Not so dangerous 
Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 17% and only one in three people pass it on to their spouse, study finds
Researchers analyzed 54 studies with more 77,000 participants reporting household secondary transmission of coronavirus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9051691/Risk-catching-coronavirus-family-member-live-just-16-6.html
from Telegraph Our Global Health deputy editor Anne Gulland has asked the World Health Organization about the new strain of Covid-19 discussed by Matt Hancock, the UK health secretary, today.
Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead says there is “no evidence so far” that the new strain of Covid “behaves differently”.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Those family members in the 0.7% might all have had the same common cold several weeks earlier.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

The granny guilt trip thing is being used in different countries around the world

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Plus, doesn’t anyone find it odd that nobody seems to worry about grandpa?Is he expendable, or what?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

Asymptomatic is by definition not contagious.
Therefore “% chance of transmission” is irrelevant.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

The problem is, that you can only prove that to some individuals by actually looking at real people and what happened to them. Because they are blindily believing everything the government are telling them.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago

What makes us immune to this psychology masterclass?

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thedarkhorse
thedarkhorse
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

A gift from God I reckon

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DavidC
DavidC
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Being able to think.

DavidC

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Silverstar46
Silverstar46
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

I think that is an interesting question, I am amazed so few see it and the media normally so hostile to Tories are singing from the psyops hymn sheet.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

A brain

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Once you’ve seen it, you can’t unsee it.
Most are still blundering around in the equivalent of dark glasses.

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

I ask myself this all the time. I suppose I’ve always been a doubting Thomas! It also helps that I read widely and did a lot of research from the beginning of 2020 (which is why I opposed lockdowns from the outset and lost a lot of friends!), and have an actual degree in biology and worked in labs before switching to political science. Interviewing politicians taught me that most are idiots and not to be trusted. Also, I have low opinion of the mass media and social media.

Mainly, though, it’s just common sense, avoiding hysteria, and sticking to evidence and reason.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom in Scotland

Same here. I’ve been following this since the reports of the first “unusual cases” in China. And the whistleblower doctor that “died of Coronavirus” RIIIIGHT the CCP hastened his demise. Too much already didn’t add up in the beginning so I’ve been a sceptic since February.

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RichardJames
RichardJames
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

10000 iu of Vitamin D3 plus 2 grams of Vitamin C plus 30-200 mg Zinc compound (Citrate, Malate, Sulphate or similar). Then you don’t have to care, you are unlikely to get any coronaviruses.

This was the regime posted by the doctors in Italy.

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Dean
Dean
4 years ago

No use trying to send them letters, provide alternative arguments or statistical evidence. This is an occupying force of demons and should be treated as such. We are at war with evil itself now.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Dean

Yes there is absolutely no need for this unwarranted punishment of a mostly naive population. This is co-ordinated cruelty on a global scale.

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jhfreedom
jhfreedom
4 years ago

Does anyone know if these new ‘rules’ are enforceable by law? Do they require parliamentary legislation or not? Are they enforceable by law? Thanks

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

All three (Johnson, Drakeford, and Sturgeon) have been using a clause contained in the public Health Act 1984. They only have to put the legislation before Parliament within 28 days (longer if the house is in recess). That’s is how they have all got away without scrutiny and debate for so long.

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

what are the new rules? what new nonsense have I missed?

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  watashi

Who cares?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

Parliament has gone home for Christmas – not that we’d particularly notice. This will all be done by fiat and rumour.

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stevie
stevie
4 years ago
Reply to  jhfreedom

I think they have to issue a Statutory Instrument to make it law, nothing on web yet…. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago

In more light hearted news

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago

So our glorious leaders now have to invent the spectre of a new “mutant strain” just 11 days after the illegal vaccine deployment in order to cancel the Xmas “break” they have been promising people for at least a month.

It has been obvious to all those who can see it that this way of living was always meant to be permanent. Why else would the media whores have the pushed the phrase “new normal” so hard in the early phase? Absent a worldwide popular rebellion, we are talking at least decades, not months or years, under this brutal occupation by anti-human technocrats.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Perhaps the new strain is due to the vaccine

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

This would not surprise me in the least. Of course it will be near impossible to prove with any certainty.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Another handy cover story if the vaccine causes another type of COVID20 to RIP through the population they will need a cover story.
Bill said we would notice the 2nd pandemic.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Just wait now Richard there are people posting below who think it’s all incompetence. Not you or i i might add but a few of those mythical 77th people have suddenly been exposed. I’m beginning to think there are a lot of them here playing us.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

If people want to believe incompetence that’s their prerogative. At least they admit something is wrong. The ones I find impossible to work out are those who really believe the government is protecting them and the media are telling the truth.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I’m less charitable to the incompetence people now. Sure maybe in real life but on this board, nah they’re fucking cunts the lot of them

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Trouble is the site host is an incompetence person!

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Oh, there is gross incompetence alright. No doubt about that. You see, Johnson, Gove, Hancock, Witless, Unbalanced and Pantsdown are pathological liars with serious advanced Narcissistic Personality Disorders. They are completely unable to tell the truth. The incompetence is the way they have gone about implementing all of this and they have told lie on lie on lie. One lie magnified again and again would be called competence. A tsunami of lies built on shifting sands, incompetence. They aren’t in control of the message, the MSM is helping them there, no, their roll out of the Orders they have been given or their own distorted tyrannical tendencies they wish to promote, whichever it is, is gross incompetence. Looking back at history, I look at the Russian Revolution. There wasn’t any incompetence. Four men simply walked into the Russian Parliament (with the full backing of an impoverished, downtrodden, nation sick of royal tyranny) and occupied the Parliament. One thing Stalin cannot be accused of is incompetence in rolling out what should have been the original purpose of communism and making it his own. Solid presentation, solid commitment and solid suppression and detention. But then the peasants didn’t really live in a democracy so they were relieved to be rid of their corrupt masters. Stalin’s victory was to ensure people had jobs, land, housing, access to medical care, transport, leisure time, no draconian taxes etc. Social events (o.k. propaganda attached to them) and holidays and festivals.

This lot? Couldn’t tell the truth if they were locked in a bunker with a nuclear device ready to detonate. That, right there, is their total and utter destruction. Because, to keep this thing going, they are going to have to tell the truth at some point as their ponzi scheme of lies is about to crash around them as there is nothing more they can add to it. They’ve hit the end of the road. There will be mass unemployment, a Depression that will tip us into being a second world economy and so on and so forth. There will be record levels of house repossessions, no affordable housing, no affordable transport, no jobs, no State Benefits I could go on. The only thing they can do now is to tell some truth and admit there was over-reaction but they thought they were doing it for the nation etc etc etc and lessons had been learned. But they can’t because they have full blown narcissistic personality disorders. So their destruction is actually assured because they have no humility.

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Hoaxed
Hoaxed
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Jonathan Barr who writes today’s blog is definitely a 77th shill.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

a new “mutant strain”

It’s pitiful that the masses are falling for this.

Anyone with a basic science education knows that Corona-virii are constantly mutating.

This is why there has never been a successful vaccine for such virii.

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

It’s just survival of the fittest. The most transmissible spreads most. Almost a truism. However, the corollary to this, which of course these snivelling little shits aren’t letting on, is that more transmissible strains are often less pathogenic too. It’s part of the package of virus morphing. Like if a virus killed someone stone dead it wouldn’t get passed on much where the barely noticable one gets around.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago

The World Economic Forum honestly believes that Venus was once-habitable except for climate change:

World Economic Forum on Twitter: “Venus was once Earth-like, but climate change made it uninhabitable https://t.co/feWrYtJgmI #Space #ClimateChange https://t.co/KseANjxZSn” / Twitter

These people really think we are stupid.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

We are

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

Must be all those gas guzzling humans and air travel and fossil fuels eh? Don’t tell Greta!

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

Belief, could, probably, all used an awful lot there

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

What a completely vapid concept. The variables involved in the emergence of life and all.

Is this another Ferguson model.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

I know. Absolutely nothing to do with being much closer to the Sun.

There’s nothing actually wrong with Climate Change science. It’s when people assume it’s real and applicable comes the problem.

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TyRade
TyRade
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

surely COVID killed Venus?

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

Boris and the two dicks – better than the Whitty mug.

boris with tits.jpg
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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

I’ll see your Boris and the two dicks and raise you…

johnson2dicks.jpg
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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Two of them with conflicts of interest. Sir Patrick Vaccine-Shares terrorising the public. How can that be legal?

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago

Wonder Woman 1984… redefining ‘subliminal messaging’ as ‘in-your-face-piss-taking’?

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago

So if logic follows cancelling the 5 day relaxation would reduce the need for the January lockdown, but of course it won’t play out like that cause it’s fuck all to do with a virus and fuck all to do with following the rules.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

The real logic for attempting to cancel Christmas is that they are not confident they will be able to manufacture an adequate Christmas spike in the “stats”. They’ve even been desperate enough to start diverging from ONS/Zoe stats recently – they are reaching the limits of what fiddling they can get away with.

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Liewe
Liewe
4 years ago

I smell a gigantic rat. News of a new, more infectious variant was communicated to the public in both the UK and SA over the last couple of days.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-12-18-new-variant-of-covid-19-spreading-rapidly-in-sa-scientists-and-government-closely-monitoring-and-considering-implications/

The press releases in both countries are very similar. The only difference is the strain number and that the SA health minister states that the new variant causes significant clinical illness in young people with no co-morbidity. The data to back up this statement: Zero. It is so,because the minister said so.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

Hancock was already working on a vaccine program strategy more than a month before the first lockdown in March. He also clinked glasses (and who knows what else) with the Bugblatter Beast in 2018.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago

The GREEN REVOLUTION is moving along swimingly……and people think this is about a VIRUS!!!….jesus wept……

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

The people who believe this is about a virus are Agent Smiths

Last edited 4 years ago by JHUNTZ
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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Or incredibly stupid. Same with the incompetence angle.

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Bruce Reynolds
Bruce Reynolds
4 years ago

Get the Fuck out there and visit all your family and friends at Xmas, don’t give a fuck about this governments rules and regulations the more non compliance the better..

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Bruce Reynolds

I agree Bruce…..my family are all Karens unfortunately….BUT I will do what I want…fuck em

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Bruce Reynolds

Fucking right Bruce. It’s a pity Ronnie’s dead we could have got him bosch Johnstone over the head with a truncheon

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Bruce Reynolds
Bruce Reynolds
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yes he would have taken great pleasure in caving the cunts head in.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Bruce Reynolds

Right on! I would if my lot weren’t all sheeples.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago
Reply to  Bruce Reynolds

Civil Disobedience on high octane petrol.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
4 years ago

Anyone know what’s happening with the snake oil “vaccines”? It’s all gone very quiet on that front.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

Turns out no one wants them, Who knew? Proves that the vast majority of the public are sick of this

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I think +80% uptake. Also, with these continuious lockdowns I think the numbers will keep increasing as people are begging for normality.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

It will end up being around 90% uptake with the coercive measures that will be introduced in 2021. No jab, no pay is a nailed on certainty once the sole source of income for the majority is UBI.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I don’t think so somehow because there will be massive legal cases which the public will easily win. I don’t think there will be anything like an 80% uptake myself. Once again, the Govt with the help of the MSM are putting these falsified figures out in order to get people to believe it is really popular. But it isn’t. They are really floundering.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I’ve just heard from a neighbour that at a nearby hospital all the 80 year olds were queuing outside in the rain to get their jabs. Theyll probably get Covid and pneumonia.

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stefarm
stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

A diversion for continued lockdowns

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

apparently yesterday round Birmingham way the news were reporting they are throwing lots away as they are at the end of the 5 day life and not used.

Day before the news were reporting lots of people were turning up to take them.

2 days, 2 reports mutually incompatible and opposite and no-one reading the teleprompter even blinked or questioned.

My guess is they are throwing them away.

Plus driven past lots of local test centres this week, all empty and the hospitals I had to deliver to were pretty quiet, no queueing ambulances, no-one on trollies, no-one dropping dead in the corridor.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I think the truth is that people are not taking it. The elderly are being bullied and forced into doing so through sheer fear.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago

Worth a repost

https://timeforrecovery.org/mutantstrain/

Matt Hancock challenged to reveal details of so-called ‘mutant strain

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

dePiffle said that bubbles for elderly and lonely people would provide “consolation” for cancelled festive plans.

This defies even their twisted logic!

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

All bubbles eventually burst.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

WTF does that mean? Consolation for what? Months and months of being imprisoned, isolated, in solitary confinement and denied medical treatment? Jeez, if I wrote a book just on this shitshow alone, nobody would believe it

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago

So fucking what. Just ignore it.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Precisely. Now is the time to encourage others to give up trying to play along with this charade.

Last edited 4 years ago by Tom Blackburn
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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Exactly, this doesn’t affect a sceptic it should awaken some Zombies though. The only concern I have is the government clearly think they are in a position of strength to take this measure.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

The words ‘government’ and ‘clearly think’ don’t belong in the same sentence, especially when combined with ‘strength’.

Both you and Tom B. make the same valid and obvious point though.

It’s long been clear to me that this will end in one of only two ways: mass civil disobedience or economic collapse.

The former will be a lot less painful that the latter, so anything that precipitates the point where something breaks serves the purpose in my book.

Just how much will the Great British Public – the bovine stupid masses – put up with?

I actually get a perverse enjoyment from having a ring-side seat to watch this.

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Gavroche
Gavroche
4 years ago

OK, so can anyone give me some advice on what I’m actually allowed to do now? (Not that I’ll necessarily be bound by the absurd new regs, just that it’d be helpful to know what rules I’m breaking when/if I decide to break them.)

So, I live alone outside London and had planned to stay with family in London from Xmas Eve onwards for a few days. I think I’m still allowed to spend the day on Xmas with members of my London ‘bubble’ or am I? If I’m allowed to do that, am I supposed to come and go on the same day and not stay overnight? Is that it?

Any advice gratefully received.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Gavroche

As you are a sovereign human being, you are allowed to do whatever you want. Obviously, you can’t open a shut pub but as for seeing family etc, fill your boots. Hope this helps.

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Wolver
Wolver
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Hear, hear

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Gavroche

Fuck the rules mates. Go see your family. Worst that happens you get a fine and you contest it at court.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Gavroche

Do what the hell you want?…who is going to stop you?…there will be thousands of cars out next week people travelling?….what are the STASI going to do about it?

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Gavroche

As Bruce said, just get the fuck out there!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Gavroche

My advice would be to ignore it, if your family’s ok with that too.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Gavroche

Don’t worry, do what you want, refuse a FPN if given one, kick shit out of whoever grassed you up, enjoy yourself regardless.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Gavroche

Listen to The Prodigy. Best advice for whenever the fat turd speaks.

Fuck em and their law

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKNoU2P0dQc

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Gavroche
Gavroche
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Thanks for all the replies. Their uncompromising tone has made me smile on what’s a pretty grim evening. I’ll see what my family thinks.

In the meantime, I hope you all manage to have a great time over the Xmas break, despite the efforts of the incompetent authoritarians who rule over us.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Gavroche

Who gives a toss about what fascists say?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Prof Daniel Altman, from guess where?

“As far as I can see this greatly strengthens the case for all to get vaccinated as soon as possible: the vaccines induce neutralising antibodies to several parts of spike (‘epitopes’) and most of these would be unchanged by the mutations – so the vaccines will still work.”

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Why are they even bothering with such feeble attempts at persuasion?

Coercion is the only tool left to get this toxic shite injected into the majority of the population.

Last edited 4 years ago by Richard O
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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

Military coup or an absolute monarchy must be better than the present situation.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

No Monarchy for me the Queen has had plenty time to call this crock of shit out for what it is. Fuck the Royal family who are clearly in on this.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

ABSOLUTELY, J, I am a Republican and a socialist but I am that desperate!!:

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Have to agree. The Queen has been a huge disappointment.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I’m hoping for the former, although it will need to come from the middle ranks as the top level is as corrupted as every other institution in this country.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I’ve been thinking for months now that surely some in the military can see what is being done to the country and think it is wrong ?,I know most of the higher ups in the armed forces are useless ‘yes’ men and women but all of the rank and file can’t have been brainwashed too ?.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

better to have one imbecile like a king in charge than 600 hundred of them in parliament

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Prince Charles has been promoting the Great Reset/WEF etc… There are videos on YouTube. Need I say more?

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago

On masks from 2010:

https://digital.lib.usf.edu/SFS0027639/00001

Just read the Abstract page

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Great find.

I noted that study tested a minimum particle size of 500 nm and that masks were not found very effective versus that particle size.

That minimum particle size is far larger than the typical virii maximum dimension ranging from 400 nm down to 20 nm.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

Yep. And what’s nice is that it was in response to H1N1 at the time. Funny that even with sealing the mask to the dummy face the mask material is still not that good. Also these are fresh sterile masks each time. Not ones sitting in your car or your pocket.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

Witless Chris.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Michael Kill, chief executive of the Night Time Industries Association, said the hospitality sector had “lost all confidence” in the Government strategy for tackling Covid-19.
… “There is disbelief and anger amongst the sector that the Government did not foresee the impact of transmissions by keeping retail, education and other sectors open during such a delicate period within the crisis.

The really don’t get it, do they??

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Endlessly missing the point.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

That’s bullshit,that isn’t what pubs and restaurants think at all,they just want to open and earn some fucking money !.These industry associations are and always have been useless,they exist purely for their own sake not for their members.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

They have filed Judicial Review Action. A Letter Before Action has been issued on the Govt but they are still in their Reply period.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago

19th December 2020: I am shouted at by a police officer (shouted at across two lanes of pedestrians in a station foyer) who wants to know why I am not wearing a mask.

‘I’m exempt,’ I said. ‘That’s fine,’ she shouted back.

Just about the only thing that is getting me through this absolute horror show, this near-total loss of collective sanity, reason and proportion, this escalating destruction of my liberal Enlightenment culture, is the hope that some day it will have again become impossible to believe that what I’ve just reported could be true.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

I have my own response to that.

“Because I’m not a fucking moron!”

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Sorry to keep hearing about these recurring confrontations Alethea. Must keep getting lucky to have never been challenged.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Thank you for noticing, DRW. That means a lot.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Thanks!

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

“cause I’m not planning to rob anybody”. Could’ve worked?

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

‘I’m exempt,’ I said. ‘That’s fine,’ she shouted back.

Yes, but for how long?

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quodcumque
quodcumque
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

It is a really horrible experience. But impressive you’re holding out. I haven’t been near a railway station since February. I hope we do get to that situation, in which we recognise this as a kind of collective insanity. The way the world rushed to copy China makes me very worried.

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

I’m in the US and most placers aren’t as nuts as they apparently are in Europe. I keep waiting for someone to approach me about my maskless face (I usually smile brightly at everyone, too). I have all kinds of responses handy, too, such as “I’m not wearing a bra either” “I have CFS” (That’s Common Fucking Sense). I also have a number of full blown rants to let off. Alas, nobody has said anything so far.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago

Wonder what made Johnson agree to go along with this in the beginning

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

The photos?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  charleyfarley

He wouldn’t care.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

Ask Jennifer.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

Compromised when he gave orders that killed a good proportion of care home residents in spring. Now any evil vested interest can get what it wants.

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DJ Dod
DJ Dod
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

I think this is one of the main factors behind the current nonsense. Apart from trashing the economy, the Government is directly responsible for spreading the virus amongst the most vulnerable members of society in order to ‘Save the NHS’.

They are responsible for deaths, but they hope that they will get away with it if they can keep up the illusion that Covid really is an existential threat. Hence the new variant – obviously the old one wasn’t scary enough any more.

Cancelling Christmas, something previously inconceivable, is meant to convince us of the gravity of the situation and help the real ‘granny killers’ avoid the consequences of their criminal incompetence.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Did he give the orders? Wasn’t he on holiday …..?

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

He isn’t in charge, he is for the sheeple to bring ‘change’ when they vote him out and the next guy does the same until he gets voted out; democracy in name, plutocracy in actuality.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

As expected:

BREAKINGWales to go into lockdown from midnightThe whole of Wales is to be placed under lockdown from midnight with festive plans cancelled for all but Christmas Day.
First Minister Mark Drakeford made the announcement after urgent talks with ministers over a new variant of coronavirus.
“We know that 2021 will be a different and a better year. Our economy will recover. Christmas will come again,” he said.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

He’s a lying sh*te

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

He needs to dance on the end of a rope,that would make 2021 better.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Carrot/stick. Cunt.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

How can Nicola beat that. She will have to cancel Christmas day. I say go for it Nicola be the Stalin to Wales’s Hitler and England’s Mussolini. Do it for your fellow Celts!

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

There won’t be long to wait – she’s being wheeled out soon

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

she’ll announce that scientists have found a reindeer variant strain and that rudolph is to be shot

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  mj

I wouldn’t put it past her. Anything to be one up on England in the cruelty stakes. She’s awful.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

“We know that 2021 will be a different and a better year. Our economy will recover. Christmas will come again.”

This, ladies and gentleman of the jury, is one of the biggest lies of all. On our current trajectory 2021 will be a thousand times worse than 2020.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago

Not surprising, but I noticed not a single member of the press asked Johnson, “What are you going to do with all the people who are going to fill the roads on Sunday and Monday, travelling all over the UK to see their families?”

He can’t arrest everyone, can he?

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

Unfortunately, replacing a leader with another will do nothing unless we have a leader like Belarus’ Alexander Lukashenko who said ‘NO’ to the Covid Cabal
.

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Last edited 4 years ago by Ben
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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Laurence at least shows some guts.

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Fair play to him speaking out and against the narrative!

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Laurence is a great man. I have a great deal of respect for him.

Another great Briton is the Tory MP Sir Charles Walker. This from him has been doing the rounds on twitter. It cannot be viewed on youtube, apparently. From November:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VuTB1by4NFU7/?fbclid=IwAR0MoKDbGtMZmAZuBzSmB31FJrsPfiguAhP9HJ4vL6bDsuOWcll689oSZpo

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Great speech!

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

I think that’s the hastag to be #standdownboris

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago

Rejoice, Londoners & Home Counties denizens, your Crashout Lockdown is upon you.

No more shopping for foie gras, camambert and champers in your local supermarket, ever.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

From Tier 2 to 3 to 4 in the space of one week. Universal mask mandate to come I’m certain. Vaccine propaganda and coercion to be dialled up to maximum volume for months on end. Economic collapse forcing the vast majority onto UBI.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago

Mike Parry on talkRadio spouting the mainstream agenda and going along with this shitshow…..beginning to think TalkRadio are turning into LBC2 (and they have been for quite a while)….there is hardly any alternative mainstream media today…its scary………

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

They are getting just like LBC,I increasingly can’t bear listening to them anymore.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

A lot of them fell for what I call the Vaccine Fly Trap and got sucked in – not easy to climb back out of that one…

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I don’t think that’s fair. I think Julia Hartley-Brewer would give you a run for your money. Lockdown sceptic Carol Decker was a very good recent guest.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

That’ll be the JHB that thinks they’re incompetent, we should take the vax and wear masks and you think you’re a skeptic? You seem to be promoting them , makes the old bonce bounce doesn’t it

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Carol Decker will always be cool. I’ll have to look up that interview.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

She also loved the lockdown and working from home saying how it improved family life and that there would be a baby boom. Not in her house I suspect lol.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

There are a couple of Milf’s who are quite good as well

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

When the shit is really hitting the fan you will see TR for what they really are. Dont forget that that Graham and JHB supported the lockdown in March. They are totally unreliable especially when the chips are down as they now clearly are. They are like blancmange.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago

“There is no such thing as herd immunity” Nadine Dorries said so! Perhaps she should have stopped at herd and quit while she was ahead.

Last edited 4 years ago by Nigel Sherratt
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stewart
stewart
4 years ago

They’re definitely determined to make sure everyone takes that vaccine, aren’t they.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

If anything, this will dissuade more people. They will be thinking, if this is a new virus, what’s the point?

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

One would think.

I am sure the creatives in the MSM will come up with a new gaslighting angle to resolve the competing Covidian dogmas of, “all must be vaxxed,” versus, “we’re all going to die from the mutant strain!”

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Zombies dont think that like. That’s called common sense Richy. Zombies don’t have that.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

you’d have to be a contortionist to explain this one: virus more infectious but vaccine still OK

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

I absolutely hate RULE BRITANNIA but surely the biggest patriot must squirm when they hear the words: “Britons never,never,never shall be slaves”.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Well for some of us those words will always be true.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I fucking LOVE Rule Britannia…you obviously dont get it which is sad……….

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Don’t worry i’ve been waiting 9 months to see the Flower of Scotland. It’s still not arrived the lights are out and Edward could have his way with this current lot. what a crock of shit at least you English have had the balls to protest however small the numbers so far.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Well I’m half Scottish. Rule Britannia is not an anthem for England.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago

Just had my MIL on the phone (in tears); she’s in Scotland, we’re in London. She’s got everything in (foodwise) for Christmas; we’ve bought nothing. Mrs C and I told her we’ll be there on Monday, as planned.

He’s going to shut all ‘unessential’ shops in their 5 busiest days of the year. Total fucking insanity!

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

We live next to the A1 in Lincolnshire so if you need a bolt hole to escape the pursuing Stasi you could shelter in our basement.

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FenTyger
FenTyger
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Slightly below your southern border , moved from T2 to T4 and overtook you then!

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Just GO!!…please…GO….I will contribute/crowdfund to your legal costs if you happen to get stopped.FUCK THEM…live your life!!!

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Don’t worry, Harry; we’re going. 🙂

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

They are now threatening to arrest anyone who tries to leave London
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13524289/london-could-arrest-travel-home-christmas-tier-four/
And all this is supposed to be to to help us and keep us safe! So in order to keep us safe they are going arrest us and kick us around.
Horrific madness all in the name of public health?

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

David Icke/roadblocks…stopping people leaving ZONED areas…I thought he was a nutter 20 years ago but a lot of it makes sense now……..its only huge URBAN areas that are being zoned off?…..as if a PLAGUE knows that?……..

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

That says COULD.
Classic fearmongering.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Not insanity. This is psychopathy!

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Same difference.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Insanity isn’t necessarily malign.
Psychopathy inevitably is.

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MJK1953
MJK1953
4 years ago

Could somebody kindly post the link to the website where the owner has exhaustively crunched the C19 data (mentioned in the comments of LS a few days ago). Thanks!

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago

My Grandparents have always had a massive party in their cottage on Christmas night, they have 8 sons so obviously it’s always a jolly big extended family gathering with lots of singing, drinking, laughing, dancing, seeing cousins we may not have seen from the year before.
My Grandad is now passed but Granny has always carried on with it…..until this year. She is 82 and does watch a lot of the BBC, but I have to respect that she doesn’t want a her small home crammed with about 40 people.
She isn’t totally brainwashed however, she wants my sister and I and our children to visit her tomorrow afternoon and have a little Christmas party for us all. She said it might be her last Christmas, so her compromise is that she is asking people to see her in smaller groups.
She is still reluctant on the hugging front, but would give my hand a little squeeze and hugs the kids, so I don’t get her thinking on that part. She is maybe fighting with her human instinct versus the Covid shit.
Oh well I am going to have a good time tomorrow regardless, and I am glad she wants to see us and celebrate.

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watashi
watashi
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

Have a lovely time!

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Scouse Sceptic
Scouse Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

I hope you all have a lovely time Janice.
Merry Christmas to you.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

She’s putting her love for you all above any fear she might have. Respect!

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alw
alw
4 years ago

From the daughter in law who is a junior doctor. 75% infection rate amongst emergency ward staff at one hospital. So the problem is the NHS not the general population.

Last edited 4 years ago by alw
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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Surely that means they’ve achieved ward immunity by now then?!

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Yet the staff are split between feaful idiots and more realistic people who see it as stupid and false results. The upper management are of course doing daily dances and change rules every hour. It’s literally being run like a clown show.

Last edited 4 years ago by mhcp
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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

What test was used? Asymptomatic? Etc..

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

I think this is a good theory, but doesn’t explain the hysteria on a global scale – or is something similar happening in all healthcare systems across the world?

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

you can say that again! if it was properly funded and managed we could all get on with our lives while they did their job and dealt efficiently with a “flu-like illness”

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

this has got to be connected to what’s going down (or about to go down) in the usa. it is of course absolutely nothing to do with any kind of virus whatsoever – we could be on the verge of a major war with china, and this is a kind of air raid warning to keep civilians indoors

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

I disagree.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

funny how the last lockdown coincided with the election

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

John has been outed. He’s one of them

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

off course you do

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

replying to myself, but here’s my crazed thoughts:-

  1. rumours of new flu outbreak in china – govt says wash your hands
  2. military/intelligence thinks flu might actually be china bio weapon – govt says lockdown – expect to lose loved ones etc
  3. military/intelligence finds out (a) flu mild (b) just part of ccp plan to oust trump – govt say we can live with that and lifts lockdown
  4. military/intelligence says november election could be flashpoint for china action – govt say lockdown
  5. trump appears to lose election – military/intelligence/govt breathes sigh of relief and lifts lockdown
  6. massive election fraud discovered – military/intelligence concludes conflict with china likely – govt re-imposes lockdown

by the way, i hope i’m wrong!

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Interesting theory. What do you think about the compulsory masks u-turn in July? That doesn’t seem to fit the rest of it.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

who knows? maybe military/intelligence heard there might be a “new variant” in the pipeline? don’t know how that tied in with timing of usa mask mandates – possibly introduced to make identifying/reading the lips of ballot riggers on video more difficult?

as i said, i hope i’m wrong!

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Possibly. Although I think it’s more likely to do with Brexit – either because they are going to betray it, or they are scared about food shortages etc.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago

‘What did surprise us is we hadn’t really thought through the economic impacts.’

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/business/melinda-gates-interview-corner-office.html

It can be no surprise that so many here question the motives of the Gates Foundation and its founders. Their own report stated in 2014:

‘While the development and application of a Gates Reference Case (Gates-RC) by BMGF (Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation) presents both benefits and risks, the capacity to improve the utility of economic evaluations in informing decision-making supports its development and adoption.’ 

‘Priority setting decisions in health are unavoidable; priority setting has inevitable consequences in terms of health benefits foregone. Priority setting decisions can be optimised by ensuring decision-makers have clarity about both the costs and benefits of different options. The use of economic evaluation methods can provide a systematic approach to relating costs and benefits and determining value.’

https://www.idsihealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/MEEP-report.pdf

250 million people returned to extreme poverty by covid 19 measures in part due to a failure by BMGF to follow their own clearly set out funding good practice, U.N. figures indicate.

To set out so clearly the importance of economic evaluation and then to admit that those evaluations had not taken place regarding covid 19 interventions, with deadly outcomes from those interventions on a staggering scale demands examination, in the clear light of day.

And the BMGF is by no means alone.

The EU and its member state national governments, and that of Britain, are similarly in the dock. EU law makes clear:

‘In addition, the general principles of risk management remain applicable when the precautionary principle is invoked. These are the following five principles:

  • proportionality between the measures taken and the chosen level of protection;
  • non-discrimination in application of the measures;
  • consistency of the measures with similar measures already taken in similar situations or using similar approaches;
  • examination of the benefits and costs of action or lack of action;
  • review of the measures in the light of scientific developments.’

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=LEGISSUM:l32042

Consistency of the measures with similar measures already taken in similar situations or using similar approaches? Nope

Examination of the benefits and costs of action or lack of action? Nope

No wonder no government wants the music to stop…..but stop it will……..

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

That’s a very damning overview!

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

It’s worse. The GAVI alliance was supposed to have set up an agreement, so that developing countries could get their share of the vaccines as they rolled out. The wealthy countries, as far as I understand it, would only get their share, once the first 20% had been equally distributed across all participating states.

Now if you believe the news!!, that isn’t happening and the wealthy countries, UK etc, are taking in as much as they can get their hands on. Or are they?

All other discussion of vaccines aside, what is the point of GAVI, if they can’t function with even the slightest bit of competence?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

UK etc, are taking in as much as they can get their hands on. Or are they?

It depends on the actual purpose of the vaccine.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

The question is why Melinda Gates is pontificating on Governmental responses to a pandemic.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

You already know the answer, but let’s spell it out:

‘WHO’s list of top 20 donors for the two-year budget cycle of 2018 and 2019 reveals that the U.S. provided the agency with $893 million, accounting for 20% of WHO’s budget, whereas the Gates foundation contributed $531 million, or 12% of WHO’s budget.’

https://www.devex.com/news/big-concerns-over-gates-foundation-s-potential-to-become-largest-who-donor-97377

Not, certainly in my view, appropriate for an international organisation influencing governmental (many democratically elected, accountable to their electorate only!) decision making worldwide.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

People. A word to the wise. Be very, very careful what you post on here

The regime would love headlines of ‘Right wing terrorists arrested blah de blah after threats to blah de blah’

Be careful

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Absolutely agree. They are farming this site for juicy quotes. We can understand them …. but they make use of them.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Yeah, I dunno if Toby can allow moderation but I think a few trustee volunteers wouldn’t go amiss.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

That’s the downside of free speech, unfortunately.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

There was a comment however flippint it may have been about hiring a sniper. That should be moderated. All other speech I couldn’t care less about as is fair and should be protected with free speech.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

If I wanted to mine for “extremist” quotes I wouldn’t come here, there are many much easier targets. Moderation is antithetical to free speech.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

as I understand it there is moderation-otherwise there’d be a lot of gay porn spam

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

They don’t give a fuck about this site. Who’s here? Old woman, drunk folk, a couple of Libertarians, a few old tories and a handful of communists. We’re about as much threat as mrs Slowcum’s pussy

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

This site gets 1.5M hits per month and is growing.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

i just watched a dude review a new mixer i’m considering buying and it’s got over two million views. My daughter is watching a chick from Brighton talk on her phone who gets three to five million views a day. We’re nothing

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Fair enough I would reckon this is mostly UK hits though as oppossed to worldwide and as I say the site is only growing.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Ah yes Mrs Slocombe’s pussy…I wonder if that would be allowed on TV now lol!

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

That’s why the pubs are closed…..

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

See you in the re-education camp or on an isolated island then.

As in Brave new World, it’s where all the interesting and intelligent people are.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

What great publicity for the cause though!

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DThom
DThom
4 years ago

Latest scaremongering
Visited a large farm shop today.
Sign on entrance said “Plain clothes Police Officers patrol these premises”
What are the idiots trying to achieve?
No sign of said detectives!!

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

I hope you didn’t buy anything there.

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DThom
DThom
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

I needed to top up my wine store

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Scouse Sceptic
Scouse Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

F*** me what are they selling in that farm shop? 😂

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

i ve been spending too much time every day the past month trying to figure out how to buy my food since was almost thrown out of the store had been going to only once every few weeks . for my ‘

scarf beeing too thin plus it happened to fall down ] think spend all my time on that figuring out how , driving to an area where they dont wear masks, cant drvie that well would be hours drive , ordering gift fruit boxes for my self [ very expensive but rahter give the small business more busisness than the stasi 3rd reich store .

will be calling stores asking if have a time when no masks shopping is permitted and if not will tell them wont be shopping there untill no masks. will try anyway

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

Sounds to me like you’re exempt, so I’m not sure why you’re going to such great lengths. Are you in UK? Do you live out in the sticks somewhere?.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

thank you cheezilla i’m in the u .s. i c ant find out anywhere if we have the same wonderful exemption with the card and everything. i dont know who to ask i will a sk my one friend here left who isnt brainwashed if she knows . that woudl be wonderful . you a re so lucky there to have exemptions and that they are respected . here i think they don’t have that will try find out ,
i do get food from a wonderful farmer no masks out of doors , even there most the customers are wearing masks! so i wont starve but no fresh fruit or salad or msot vegetbales after january 1rst

so the only real problem is finding fruits and vegetables . i should have mentioned that part . am sure will figure it out but what i really want is to disobey the masks rule makes me so angry to obey i could order deliveries but then i feel like im giving in and i want to disobey and let them know i think they should be jailed or something for doing this to all of us .
just rememberd have 2 friends can ask after the holiday

Last edited 4 years ago by sam s.j.
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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

Can you shop online? I have been doing that since the beginning of the mask mandate and I love it. No car, so I don’t need to carry heavy bags home. Should have done this years ago. I haven’t lived in the US for 20 years but I’m sure most supermarkets have websites for home delivery. Don’t feel like you’re giving in – just preserve your sanity and save yourself some time, too. I totally agree with how you feel but I’m trying to pick my battles carefully.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom in Scotland

thank you tom you a re very wise . it has already caused me so much time lost[ think has been a month sicne almsot thrown out of the regular store went to every few weeks for my scarf being too thin and it fell down [ on purpose! ] just trying to find ways to get a round ‘ the system ‘ that i could have spent reading a good book etc ,

i did find a good organic farm that does have some vegatbels to ship
via fed ex [ expensive and woudl take me forever to figure out how to order so havent tried that yet might still do that ] i did actually just order a home delivery for the first time ever this afternoon from a supermarket of fruit and vegetables just to save my blood pressure .

and a good and very kind friend did get me some fruit and vegetable s too last week when i’d been out of fresh vegetables for a week or more ,

and it was her idea so nice,

im just being my usual stubborn self but you a re right why let them get to me . pick your battles is right thank you and also lisa from toronto

Last edited 4 years ago by sam s.j.
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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

i did hear that 2 places a few months ago wont say anything if you dont wear a mask but that was months ago. i will try there guess was worried would be too stressful to get into an argument and be told to leave but ill try.the store always went to has a large sign no maks no entry, i now hate them ,was loyal customer for years.

ok next week im going to try the places heard about and see what happens if works out i can tell the other place they’re toast !

Last edited 4 years ago by sam s.j.
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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

Can you order groceries for delivery or for curb side pickup? Even where I live out in the country the stores will do curb side pickup. My husband is willing to go to the grocery store as I won’t mask up, but if he couldn’t or wouldn’t then we would make the store pick and bag our groceries and have them bring everything out to the car — no mask necessary.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa (formerly) from Toronto

thank you lisa (formerly) from Toronto
i might try that this week for the first time
they do have deliveries from another store in my area, my usual grocery store chain i go to- much smaller chain ] the one with the no masks no entry where i a lmost got thrown out of , probaly woudl have if i hadnt caved in and put on a thicker scarf doesn’t deliver or have curbside pick up up i guess its just my stubbornness and wanting to fight backa nd finnaly getting tired of obeying
getting in the way – only making it harder for myself .

i wanted to encourage others to not wear masks too, so far i havent seen anyone else not wearing a mask in a store but i rarely go to stores now since march hard to rememebr what year now! ]

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

You should have announced yourself as one! Probably would have got some free food

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

Easy to spot them in a farm shop. They are the pigs.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

I worry that the government is trying to provoke violent protest.
I notice that there are several new contibutors here who keep advocating exactly that.

Be warned. Be careful.

I watched the livestream from London today. The SPG were out in huge force – Sam said he’d never seen so many police.
They were systematically picking off random women from the crowd, possibly in an attempt to provoke a violent reaction from the men. That didn’t happen, because the protesters are peaceful.
Suddenly, they all backed off and just started marching in formation down the road. It just lacked the goose stepping.
Very well-choreographed.

It did cross my mind that the announcement was made at 4pm, which is the time most demos end and people start to go home. Coincidence?

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Yes,that’s what they were up to and well done to all the protesters for keeping their cool.It was hard to believe it was in this country,the aggression by the Police was unbelievable but as you say it was all choreographed and well practised.I wonder if some of those police thugs would like to see their wives,sisters or daughters being treated so disgracefully ?.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Extreme measures need extreme push back.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Cheezy, I appreciate that you mean well with this post, but for me saying:

“Be warned. Be careful.”

is akin to saying “stay safe, be safe”.

I don’t care who is around. I will not be cowed into submission! Will I die? Yes, one day.

I will not be scared, “careful” or anything else!

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Bruce Reynolds
Bruce Reynolds
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Great reply totally agree..

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

I wasn’t saying you should be scared! Sorry if it reads that way.
I was asking people to excercise discernment.
Thanks for prompting me to clarify.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Government lockdowns and restrictions are ‘violence’

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

I do agree.

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Bruce Reynolds
Bruce Reynolds
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

No police force in the land has enough mànpower to take on mass rioting, force of numbers is key to defeating law and order..

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Bruce Reynolds

replacing the current batch of MPs at the next election is the key

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Bruce Reynolds
Bruce Reynolds
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

With who?different party same shit..

Last edited 4 years ago by Bruce Reynolds
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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago
Reply to  Bruce Reynolds

Reform party??

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

more of the same eh? You’re advice then sit tight for four years until the next election and then pin our hopes own a different outcome, get fucking out of here

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Elisabeth
Elisabeth
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Have you SEEN the shitshow election we’ve been having in the US? Turns out this fraud has gone on a lot longer and in a lot of other places too. What do you think are your chances of actually getting the people you voted for?

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Bruce Reynolds

Over a million people marched peacefully against the Iraq war.How many participated in the poll tax riots.Just saying.
The reason why people are not rioting is because it is predominantly the hard working law abiding middle of the country who are being destroyed.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

The state has been waging total war on the people for 9 months straight, with no let up in sight. We are going into a totalitarian system the extent and severity of which has never been experienced in human history. Physical confrontation is inevitable at some point on this path, whether at an individual or collective level.

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Schrodinger
Schrodinger
4 years ago

This mutation has been around for months. Evidence of that fact and some good questions here

https://timeforrecovery.org/mutantstrain/

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

Next they will be telling us that the planet is going to be eaten by a mutant space goat and we had all better flee in three enormous space ships called Arks.

All very Douglas Adams.

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Burlington
Burlington
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

So long and thanks for all the fish.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

If they offer you a seat in the B ark, run away very quickly. It’s going to crash.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

I’m off for a meal at the restaurant at the end of the universe.

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FenTyger
FenTyger
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Norway has nice fjords, certain baroque feel you know.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

I know, but that means stepping into the asylum that I usually observe from my front window.

Besides, it’s rain type 56 here.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Vibrating Bum Faced Goats!
http://viz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/113-13-vibratingbumfacedgoats.jpg

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Burlington
Burlington
4 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

We know it. They know it. They Know we know it. Problem is the sheeple don’t know it!

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Schrodinger

I think someone has said that they had admitted as much.

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago

It’s practically satire now. I posted this 3 days ago:

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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago

What fresh madness is this??? I’d be surprised (or will I?) if there aren’t riots.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

I remember the Poll Tax riots

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Only The Big One in London went violent, in towns all across the country there were peaceful marches in town centres attended by thousands of ordinary people.

Last edited 4 years ago by Two-Six
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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

Tier four. I love Big Brother! Covid-19 is dead, long live the new virus!

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Hubes
Hubes
4 years ago

Anybody pathetic and stupid enough to still be following any rules deserves to have new ones imposed on them. Most of the general public are utter morons and have brought this on themselves by being too lazy and ignorant to do their own research. Fuck em. The ones who can think for themselves and have some backbone will continue to see who they want, when they want, as they have done all year.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

I agree but it’s heartbreaking to see the effect on small business, pubs, theatres etc. Then again, the people who run these places should be standing up to this nonsense, so I am finding it harder and harder to have any sympathy for them.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

The new mutant virus is not so bad. It’s having Christmas Day off

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago

Not sure I can feel any worse now. I’ve suffered from depression for years now and been denied what keeps me healthy for too long. Went into the last lockdown in Tier 1, came out in Tier 2, went into Tier 3 just this morning and will be in Tier 4 from tomorrow. Christmas totally cancelled. Not allowed to see other human beings. How can they possibly think they’re doing this for people’s health? Mine has never been worse, physically or mentally, that it is right now.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Break the rules to protect your mental health. Follow Kay Burley and Neil Ferguson’s example

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Stuff the married lover though…who needs all that baggage!

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Christmas ISNT CANCELLED…..its a Christian celebration.we can do it anywhere anytime…doesnt require CONSENT from anybody especially cunty twat Johnson………

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

I was supposed to be off to my parents in Dorset. They have all the food, lots of presents delivered down there. Nothing here. It’s a long drive, from Tier 4 to Tier 2. Not sure I can cope with being stopped on the way down with a 6-year-old and puppy in the car but might have to do it anyway to avoid becoming suicidal (they’re still happy for us to come). Surely that’s a reasonable excuse?

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Take the country route. They can’t watch every road and the countryside is very therapeutic.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

Watching the roads is impossible – the police in Wales publicly admitted that. Even if they used ANPR cameras they would not be able to prevent movement because there are so many reasons allowed for people to be out.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

By roads “not adopted”, by woodlanded ways,
She drove to the club in the late summer haze,

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Had to go from Hereford to Bovington Camp the other day, followed the Wye valley through Wales/West Mercia border then across the Severn Bridge and country route into Dorset.

No Police anywhere.

Don’t worry about it.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

“into Dorset”

Gods Own County – my home.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

beautiful place – biggest problem was the son broke into his bad country bumpkin accent from the time we crossed the county line to we left.

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stevie119
stevie119
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I never lost mine – and don`t intend to.

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stevie119
stevie119
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

Mine too!

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

It’s nearly the furthest north east I’ve ever lived.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

But it’s all changed from tonight, because of this Tier 4 bollox. Was happily going to go from Tier 3 to Tier 1 before being shoved into Tier 4. I just feel like they’re going to be policing the boundaries between “zones” (can’t believe I’m typing that), although hopefully they’ll stick largely to London rather than more rural areas (I’m in Herts).

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

You need to go!! In the very unliklihood you get stopped, tell them its for essential childcare or care for your parents.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

I’m thinking it’s to escape harm – self harm that is, and harm to my daughter from me becoming seriously mentally ill. I assume you’re still allowed to escape harm in Tier 4. Perhaps not…

I’ve been in tears all evening so won’t find it difficult to turn it on again if I do get stopped.

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Al C
Al C
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Please do the drive and just go – your 6 year old needs you to be here. I’m so sorry you are feeling this way and I hope that you can brave the clouds and get to Dorset and the love you need down there.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

You don’t need an excuse.

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Just go! Do whatever you need to do and take whatever crazy route you need to take, but just go. Your mental health is reason enough, not that you need to justify it to anyone.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

I’m pretty sure you don’t have to tell them anything. When I was stopped last March at a roadblock near here I refused and after about 5 mins they had to let me go.

Make sure your car is all legit though.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Most excellent reason (note, not an excuse, a solid, good reason).

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Same with me, we can only keep defying this as much as we can.

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PaulH
PaulH
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Communists tried to cancel Christmas.

But here’s the thing: it’s not theirs to cancel.

Stay strong, friend.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Can you form a support bubble with anyone? Preferably a fellow sceptic. That way in the highly unlikely event of being stopped by the police you will have a legitimate reason to be out.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Wales placed in tier 4 from midnight and they didn’t even have anyone in tier 1,2,or 3

This is a coup

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Nothing less than that. Psychological warfare waged against the people.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I wish more people would see this.Its not about the NHS Brexit or whatever parochial issue.This is a worldwide fascist coup.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Drakeford really does need to be Sectioned under the Mental Health Act. He is suffering from very dangerous, serious,, deep rooted messianic delusions. He is a danger to others of the worst kind. Firebreaker lockdown. Saviour for Wales. No, less than a week and a half later, back into Lockdown. Around a week later into full, absolute, gulag style lockdown. Now Tier 4 gulag. I guess these lockdowns achieve nothing other than to fuel Drakeford’s delusions of power and his obsession with tyranny.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

He is insane.It’s utterly obvious.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
4 years ago

The mutant space goat has landed! Hide!!

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ajb97b
ajb97b
4 years ago

The following graph proves the new variant is not the cause of the prevalence increase in SE. It was the same % in 3 very different regions in early Nov, but if it were a new variant with rapid spread advantage it would be ahead in one region and spread later to the other regions

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ajb97b
ajb97b
4 years ago
Reply to  ajb97b

Fig1

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ajb97b
ajb97b
4 years ago
Reply to  ajb97b

And here is what may well be causing the recent increase in NE London and surrounding areas – an artefact due to increased testing. I illustrate this for Havering. Note, the true prevalence by Positivity Rate (% of people testing positive) is actually FALLING

fig3.png
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BuildVaccineTrust
BuildVaccineTrust
4 years ago

There is a major ethical problem with the vaccine release that isn’t being covered (and emails to lockdown skeptics go unanswered). This info is about the US, but the UK also isn’t telling people about a major risk factor:

The Emergency Use Authorization for the Pfizer vaccine, and its briefing document for the review meeting, states there is an unknown risk of future vaccine enhanced disease (which includes other potential enhancement modes and not just antibody enhancement) after the initial immunity fades:

https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download
“The Sponsor identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease as an important potential risk [….] risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.”

i.e. the study simply hasn’t gone on long enough to see if people have sterilizing immunity producing the initial good results that fades, and then when people do actually get infections: the immune response they learned from the vaccine might lead to a worse case of covid-19. Hopefully not: but the trials just haven’t run long enough to demonstrate that.

Yet the FDA isn’t telling patients about this risk, nor is the media. The FDA’s fact sheet for recipients of the Pfizer vaccine for covid-19 is here and there isn’t a peep about it:

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

Nor is there in its doc for healthcare providers, nor is it in the UK’s NHS or Canadian equivalents.

An International Journal of Clinical Practice article on

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13795
“Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease”

explains that the vaccine trials didn’t meet medical ethics standards regarding fully informed consent since the issue of vaccine enhanced disease wasn’t explained in a way they’d comprehend. The FDA’s information doesn’t even mention it, let alone explain it in the way people comprehend, which seems an obviously major violation of medical ethics. Its also doesn’t make sense: since enough people will likely risk it anyway, but they should get that choice because even some experts wouldn’t yet.

If they don’t correct this soon, and chalk it up to an oversight in the rush to get this out the door: it risks a backlash in a few months if the public becomes generally aware of it, akin to the backlash after the Tuskegee study where participants weren’t fully informed. They’ll wonder: “If you didn’t tell us about this risk, what else aren’t you telling us, why should we trust it?”. People can understand that trials are still ongoing: they won’t understand not informing them of risks since it looks like a coverup, even if in theory they could have hunted through the FDA’s more technical documents to find it.

Experts apparently don’t agree on the magnitude of the risk: which is why its particularly important for it to be disclosed for public debate.

Media in countries hit hard by COVID-19 haven’t called attention to the issue to date. In contrast a Japanese paper quoted the director of the Japanese Society of Clinical Virology: “Concerns over ADE still remain. I am an elderly person myself, but if I were asked, I would say I don’t want to get a shot.” Elsewhere he explained: “In the past, a dengue vaccine proved effective in tests and was widely used, but then it worsened symptoms for people who were still getting infected.”. A leading professor of Immunology testified to Japan’s House of Representatives: “There’s no doubt that their effectiveness is quite high, but their safety is not guaranteed at all”.

Its also the case that many studies *do* see concerns over potential vaccine enhanced disease in this case. Severe covid isn’t due to a lack of immune response: but a dysfunctional immune response. One study termed it an “uncoordinated” response. Will the response that occurs after the vaccine fades be a functional one, or an “uncoordinated” one? That paper suggests there is a risk that vaccines that only target the spike may be at risk of vaccine enhanced disease. Regardless, since they don’t understand fully the broken response with severe covid-19, its unclear how they can yet be certain what the odds are the vaccine will be more or less likely to trigger a broken immune response that leads to severe illness. Hopefully not: the tests just haven’t gone on long enough to demonstrate it.

The links to the various studies I mentioned are on BuildVaccineTrust.com where I put together information out of frustration that I didn’t see it being addressed. Its focused on government and academic journal links and expert references for people to evaluate themselves.

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  BuildVaccineTrust

ADE has been the outcome in animal trials for every coronavirus vaccine ever attempted. The only reason we haven’t seen it come up in vaccine trials is that so few people in the trials are actually coming down with Covid, and those who test positive may not even have it since the PCR test is so dodgy. My guess is either that we will eventually begin to see ADE on a large scale or we won’t see it at all, which means there isn’t enough Covid going around and the vaccine was totally unnecessary.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Isn’t it a bit of a dead giveaway that they’ve put under house arrest the areas where most HGVs enter the country from Europe, just on the eve of Brexit?

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

and where Farage lives?…lol

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Almost definitely connections with Brexit. I also think it could be to do with Biden’s apotheosis on 6 January. If there really is something brewing behind the scenes in the USA then it will have a global impact.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

the latter more likely than the former

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Yes it is. Kent being the most obvious! This is more to do with Brexit than people think!

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ajb97b
ajb97b
4 years ago

And this following chart simply reflects the fact that they have massively increased testing in the relevant parts of the country over the last few weeks, creating more positives (i.e., within last 14 days before admission) amongst people in those regions (i.e., its equivalent to the Case Rate artefact

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ajb97b
ajb97b
4 years ago
Reply to  ajb97b

Fig 2

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ajb97b
ajb97b
4 years ago
Reply to  ajb97b

So in all likelihood it is just an asymptomatic variant… EXACTLY what natural selection would throw up and what would have a massive advantage when trying to suppress the virus by lockdowns and Track and Trace.

1/3 of cases are in Essex, 1/3 in London, and 1/3 elsewhere in the UK

All viruses naturally evolve towards strains that are very transmissible and cause mild disease. By lockdown and Track and Trace we have accelerated that natural process dramatically

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ajb97b
ajb97b
4 years ago
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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

Very cynical move. By extending the Brexit talks he kept the ERG (AKA CRG) occupied until the Parliamentary recess. Now this is announced Parliament cannot do anything.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago

And he has the temerity to call himself a scientist.

‘Assume you have Covid’Sir Patrick Vallance urged the public to assume they might be infectious when considering meeting others over Christmas.
Following on from Professor Chris Whitty’s advice to keep Christmas interactions “short” and “small”, Sir Patrick said: “I think one way to think about it is assume you could be infectious.
“It’s not somebody else’s issue, it’s your own issue, you might be infectious and that’s the way that we have to behave at this moment. Assume you might be infectious.”
Boris Johnson said it “can’t be stressed too often” that a lot of coronavirus transmission was by people who do not have symptoms at the time.
The Prime Minister added: “I don’t think people still now fully get that, in a way that perhaps they need to, it’s absolutely vital I think.
“I think one in three infections are transmitted asymptomatically still and people really need to realise that.”

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

You can’t “have covid” without knowing it. Covid is the disease, diseases undoubtedly have symptoms. Yet again more doublespeak bollocks from these arseholes.

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Alan P
Alan P
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Asymptomatic transmission is very rare. Very rare indeed!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Unicorn dung is, in fact, more prevalent.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

That’s the first hearty good laugh I’ve had today!

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

If I assume I have Covid I wait 10 days and I assume I am immune, as per how viral infections work. So if we all assume we have it, by New Years or before we don’t need anymore measures. We are ALL IMMUNE!!!!

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Burlington
Burlington
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

‘Assume you have Covid’ i assume that Patrick Vallance is a total fucking imbecile!

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

Great, then in about ten days time I will be well again and immune.

No need for any vaccine.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

that is pure genius!

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

Soon to be a multi-millionaire due to the vaccines!

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Tell me, what in science can decide for a person whether to assume one of the following to the exclusion of the other when they have no evidence as to the facts of their own pathology beyond that which would indicate good health:

1) I should assume I have an infectious disease.

2) I should not assume I have an infectious disease.

The answer in NOTHING. That’s because science cannot tell you what SHOULD be the case, only what IS the case. It cannot provide moral imperatives or answer questions as to how one OUGHT or OUGHT NOT act.

This is the philosophical fallacy underpinning the current deference to scientific authority. “Scientific authority” is an oxymoron and can only have meaning in the context of it being an authority within its own subject matter.

Or, in lay terms: you don’t use a hammer to drive a screw.

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Helen Holland
Helen Holland
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

They want us all to believe we are ill – Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy…the evil bastards.

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Keen Cook
Keen Cook
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Where does he get this s**t? Why am I a biological hazard all of a sudden? Either I’m unwell and feel unwell or I’m fine. How can I possibly be otherwise?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

dePiffle claimed a lot of thinking there. He needs to be careful!

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Actually, thinking about it, I might just tell work that I have been told by the Chief Medical Officer that I have to assume that I am infectious and cannot, therefore, attend work until this pandemic is over.

I have a feeling that my line manager mught have something to say about that, especially as this was my first week back after five and a half months off on the sick waiting for cancer surgery.

One of the guys in work had a phone call today to say that his daughter had just tested positive and that he had to self isolate. You should have seen the pandamonium that followed. Total over reaction of course.

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Ricky R
Ricky R
4 years ago

I’m actually a complete grinch who wants nothing to do with Christmas but my heart aches for everyone I’m close to who are despairing over the news tonight.

Without a doubt in my mind this is a little bit of psychological abuse by the government to improve vaccine uptake

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Ricky R

And they will have done so, knowing full well that this will push a few people over that edge. They continue with the murder campaign.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Ricky R

With you 100%. Christmas not my thing, , but they have reduced our redoubtable Annie to tears and countless others, I am sure. Let’s hope the despair becomes anger quickly for those not already in our camp. The cruelty is breathtaking.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago

I saw on another site somebody write that the Statutory Instrument that allows for the Christmas reprieve has not been revoked, so the new rules are only ‘guidance’ – anyone know if this is true? Obviously it won’t be mentioned in the MSM.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Good point. It’s probably not law as yet, but they don’t usually waste time in changing laws when they want to. Usually at a minute to midnight the day before.

Will be interesting to see what the Tory rebels have to say about it. I think they will be pushing to at least have some say in what happens.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

All the Covid rules are illegitimate and people should be prepared to challenge them. Do not accept fines, go to court if summoned. It will only take a fairly modest level of “disobedience” to bring the whole Covid scam tumbling down around the government’s head. Things are now very serious indeed and there is no point in coming to this site, if you are not prepared to do what must be done. Nobody else will make this nightmare go away, it’s now up to ourselves.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rowan
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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

And we have help:

https://www.rebelnews.com/fight_the_fines_uk

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago

At least we can’t be surprised any more. In fact we can predict very accurately what will happen. Whole country in lockdown in January. Back to tiers February/March. Lockdown in easter. Tiers through summer when the virus will virtually disappear. Raising of tiers in September/October as cases rise. I can predict this because restrictions, tiers, vaccines, masks, tests are all irrelevant. It’s just the natural seasonal cycle of a respiratory virus with a little bit of political arse-covering at opportune times.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

This is their way now that they’ve realised that they no longer have to provision the NHS properly for winter. Every October, it will be the same thing of masks, social distancing, no socialising etc, just to save an organsisation whose very relevance is become less to people each day. BECAUSE IT IS NOT FUCKING FUNCTIONING.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Do you really believe this is about the NHS when most of Europe are going into lockdown as well.Germany has one of the finest health services in the world.The protect the NHS rubbish is just the vehicle they have chosen to push given the almost religious adoration we have for it in this country.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Absolutely correct. Saving the NHS has been a blatant lie since last Spring.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Possibly. I think each country is using the ‘pandemic’ as an excuse for an orgy of new rules and regulations, wealth re-distribution, and a chance to settle some scores.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Not all countries though. The majority of Latin American and African Nations are not doing this. China, Russia, North Korea, South Korea, any of the Tiger economies in fact are not doing this. It seems to me that it is mainly in European NATO countries where they have installed Presidents or PM’s that have tendencies towards being Dictators (Macron and Johnson being the most obvious ones). Canada and Australia have different agendas but are still in NATO. It’s highly localised and specialised I think.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Jonathan, no I don’t agree. It’s very real here and worse, instead of sorting out the chronic waste in the NHS, they have resorted to what they are doing. It is a very real narrative. NHS staff now feel they are truly the Chosen Ones and are so special they are beyond reproach.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

It’s clearly not about the NHS.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

That was the original excuse but they’ve worn it threadbare.

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Ricky R
Ricky R
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Sadly I have to agree with you. This is the cycle they want us to live our lives in. The end will always be “right round the corner” and theyll still find reasons to restrict us.

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Alan P
Alan P
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

And mandatory mask wearing in all public spaces open and closed . Probably try getting people to wear them indoors to!

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

They certainly can’t enforce mask wearing indoors in private households.

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Ken Turner
Ken Turner
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Please don’t give them ideas 🙂

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

It’s much worse than simply arse covering. The government is clearly working to Klaus Schwab’s WEF Great Reset agenda, which like its first cousin UN Agenda 2030, is really about depopulation. Hence the indecent haste to inject us with unneeded and liability free vaccines, which have nothing to do with preventing infection and everything to do with carrying out genocide, on an epic scale.

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Paulus
Paulus
4 years ago

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws” Marin Luther King jr

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Paulus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oehry1JC9Rk

MLK – the day before his murder.

He was a real hero, for whom all lives mattered.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Paulus

So does the UN – Nuremberg Principle IV

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Paulus

Excellent. If I’m ever challenged for being maskless again (it’s only happened once) I will quote the Great MLKjr.

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Lms23
Lms23
4 years ago

They’re never going to let us out.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

These illegitimate laws are oppressive, but can be resisted.

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

Yep – I have been saying this for some time. The sound of pennies dropping brings me no satisfaction!

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Lms23

That doesn’t mean we won’t get out. It just means we do it without their consent.

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Elenesse
Elenesse
4 years ago

Just reading some of the comments on the DM article about cancelling Christmas. The one thing the pro lockdowners seem to have in common is the sheer vindictiveness and nastiness, half of them wishing death and illness on people breaking the rules.

When did it come to all this? I know I’m on the right side of history, but there really does seem to be no end in sight to all this misery, especially because it’s endorsed by the many sheep. I will be doing my best to live life as normally as possible, the rules be damned. We only get one life, why are we being forced to live with this?

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

The puritans show how much they care for others…

by wishing bad things on people they disagree with.

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

For virtue signallers, these people are the meanest and least virtuous people I’ve ever had the misfortune to come across.

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Mike Collins
Mike Collins
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

They are to stupid to realise that we don’t believe there is a risk, I asked somebody last week to tell me what they believed the risk equated to. They believed that if they caught it, as a 35 year old healthy male that there was a 50/50 chance they would die??? This is what we have to overcome, there is more chance of him being crushed by a falling piano than being killed by Covid. Similar conversation with a vaccine fanatic, proper upset that I won’t be taking it, when I asked what were they worried about as when they’ve taken it they will be protected from me he looked stunned. They don’t even think through their stupid stance, the educational system has been eroded so far by the left in the last 30 years that nobody can think critically anymore.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

Those nasty comments always read exactly the same. I suspect most are by bots and 77th trolls.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

Went into London to do some last minute shopping. Not sure if there was a demonstration in Trafalgar square but there was the usual police presence in the side streets.
One difference was the baseball caps. Normally blue but there were some in red, white and yellow.
Other thing odd I noticed today was the District line was running a service to Olympia. That occurred during the main lockdown as the exhibition centre was being used.
To say this is unusual, sometimes even where there is an exhibition taking place there isn’t a train service.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Why would they run trains there?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Using it to house police

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I was thinking that. Sam said he’d never seen so many police.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

You mean like a barracks?

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

some unspecified storage place

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Mortuary for all the millions of Londoners due to drop dead from the ‘new strain’.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

London protest today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3DnwbGqaE&t=51s

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annie
annie
4 years ago

So.London has been turned into a concentration camp and my sister and housemates can’t come for Christmas by law, leaving me with all the food and presents I’d ordered for six people.
It takes a lot to get me down, but I’n crying now.

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Maverick
Maverick
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Annie, just ignore the rules. Carry on as normal, it’s the only response to the insanity.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Maverick

She might well, but maybe her sister won’t.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

That’s my problem too.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Let the tears flow, Annie.
So sorry. Sending hugs, real in spirit.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Ignore it Annie…just do what you want to do? who is going to stop you?…seriously do what you want………let them come to your home…..

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

It isn’t me, it’s her. She won’t come,

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I’m so sorry. Is there anyone you can have over that wouldn’t be breaking the law by coming or who is willing to break the law by coming? I’m hoping you can salvage the day somehow.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

This is the problem. There are many layers to this, apart from arbitrary rules. As of now, our arrangements haven’t been changed (everybody coming here, and f. any petty rules).

But ???? Even in our sceptical family of rule-breakers, there is the sentiment of : ‘Look – we think it’s exaggerated. But you’re really vulnerable. We’d feel shit if we did, by an unlikely chance, infect you. Are you sure?’

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

how i wish we could all join you wonderful annie

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I think they planned this. There’s no getting away from it now

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Carry on Annie. That’s what we’ll all do. They have to shoot us to stop us.

My plans will not change:

  • Son to meet best friend tomorrow.
  • Nick and I to meet up on Monday to plot tyranny’s downfall, after I’ve had a beachside walk with my parents to exchange prezzies.
  • Friends round on Boxing Day for fun and boardgames.
  • Etc, etc, etc.

Down with the neo-Cromwells.

Big hugs.

D. xxx

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I feel really sorry Annie,from your posts on here throughout this year I know you have a strong spirit and a good,kindly heart and I’m sure you are more than a match for the evil that is trying to devour us all.
This was an incredibly evil thing for the government to do,they will burn in hell in the end for the pain they have caused.

Last edited 4 years ago by Paul
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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Seconded.

Best wishes Annie.

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l835
l835
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Annie, thank you for what you said to me yesterday. You still have a few days to change your sisters mind, or could you go there?

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

You’ve shown a lot of support for others on here over the months, the comments here reflect that. It’s shit news right now, but tomorrow, blazing hangovers aside, we’ll be back mocking them, tormenting them and speak easying our way to victory. Chin up

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Sir Roderick Spode
Sir Roderick Spode
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I really hope your sister and guests still come – Lady Spode and I will be ignoring Bunter’s latest edict and if the rozzers turn up they will be denied access but given a dry sherry and a mince pie..

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

You won’t be on your own, annie. Not that it makes it in any way better.

In the end, it’s up to individuals to screw their courage to the sticking place, stick up two fingers and say ‘f.off’ to the sad bastards who have created this. But it’s not easy if you’ve been brainwashed.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Oh annie!

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I’m so sorry, Annie. This is a miserable day indeed.

I am only not more miserable myself because my family had already told me not to come to them at Christmas, ‘because it’s not safe,’ so I didn’t have anything left to lose.

I think the powerlessness is hard to understand, let alone bear. How can it be that the state has turned into a medico-fascist tyranny?

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Lots of people are breaking the rules. The rules are wrong and immoral

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Just seen two former colleagues on Facebook openly stating they will not be abiding by the rules. Quite refreshing.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Sending you illegal hugs.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

My sympathies, annie. Not much use to you, I know. Sympathy and prayers from Tier 4; yes, I am glued up with this mess.

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Gill
Gill
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I’m so sorry to hear this Annie. You are one of the stars of this site and have been an inspiration to me. I hope they change their minds.

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Emily Tock
Emily Tock
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I’m so so sorry. I wish I could wave a wand and fix it.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

This popped up on random play the other day when I was driving, not heard it in years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DmZUAbeWlM

One for us few and outnumbered rebels fighting back:

We can do it
We can do it
And if they wanna they can try it
But they’ll never get near
And they can get out of here

[Pre-Chorus]
Gonna keep on driving
Never stop

[Chorus]
United, united, united we stand
United we never shall fall
United, united, united we stand
United we stand one and all

[Bridge]
So give me hope

[Chorus]
United, united, united we stand
United we never shall fall
United, united, united we stand
United we stand one and all
United, united, united we stand
United we never shall fall
United, united, united we stand
United we stand one and all
United, united, united we stand
United we never shall fall
United, united, united we stand
United we stand one and all
United, united, united we stand
United we never shall fall
United…

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago

So, my family get together with my wife, 2 do daughters and my eldest daughter’s boyfriend has degenerated in to and an argument as the eldest daughter has swallowed the propaganda, hook, line and sinker.

It all centered on the youngest daughter making plans over the Xmas period and the eldest thought that it would endanger us.

If I ever meet Johnson I will gouge his eyes out with my thumbs. Fucking cunts and any fucking cunts that wear masks.

I’m coming for you.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

This is the thing – they know many families will have different views and they want to cause dissent.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

I’m feeling either suicidal or homicidal……

I’d rather hurt somebody else ….

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Go with the latter. At least you might take down someone with you — or more than one if you’re really motivated.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Yes, forget the suicidal bit.

You are quite right about the twats wearing masks though – everyone who wears a mask bears their share of responsibility for this.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

The world would obviously be a better place without members of SPI-B in it.

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
4 years ago

I feel like I am in an African American Spiritual – ALL NIGHT FOREVER

but even these slaves were eventually freed

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

I’m not a slave. And neither are you.

These laws are designed to manipulate your movements and activities and should be resisted at every step.

They oppress you, not enslave you.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

This extends to resisting a cashless society

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago

To some extent, a population too stupid and lazy to do a quick internet search on “how many people normally die every day” deserves to be reduced to living like animals. I just resent being dragged along with them.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Exactly my sentiments.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

In fairness, a lot of older people don’t even know how to switch on a computer, much less access the internet.

My father is one of them – he’s never needed it. And now he’s retired he doesn’t even bother with a mobile phone.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

That said old people should be able to ratrionalise the cost of freedom v safety. They should be able to look around themselves and note that no one is sick in their subjective vicinity. I give no one a pass. sorry.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Virtuousness and religious self-righteousness aren’t going to cut the mustard in sorting this shit-show. It’s just as deluded as virtuous belief in ‘STAY SAFE’.

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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Agreed.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I think there’s a number of people who can’t believe that the MSM would be capable of what they are.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

That ‘can’t believe’ syndrome is central to all this. People really ‘can’t believe’ that this is all manufactured and detached from actuality.

In my book, this is one of the most criminal aspects of what is going on – the undermining of the essential trust that is essential in a healthy society.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Psy-op. Cognitive dissonance.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

That’s the thing. The sheeple’s brain dead stupidity is dragging us all into the abyss. The best summation I’ve seen is:

My rights don’t end where your fear begins

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

The question would never occur to them. Their curiosity probably only goes as far as wondering when Strictly or the footie is on.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

We are all criminals now

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Asymptomatic ‘diseased’ criminals?…but we dont know it?

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

I don’t recognise these “laws”.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

They’ll recognise you, have no fear.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Some pandemic eh?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

You might want to visit your local Conservative Councillor and let them now what you think

They always say that like to engage with the community, so go and engage

No violence please

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

We chucked all ours out (exciting at the time), should have kept one for just such an eventuality. The new lot are predictably useless of course including the appalling XR loony Perkin who featured a few posts ago whinging about some posters in spoon’s window.

https://www.favershameye.co.uk/post/making-sense-of-the-faversham-town-council-elections

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Burlington
Burlington
4 years ago

All I want for Christmas is Doris Johnson’s head on a plate!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

Nah – Wancock’s on a stick

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

No, no : both!

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Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago
Reply to  Burlington

His balls, more like, if he has any.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

That’s for Witless Unbalanced ad Pantsdown I think.

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Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago

Tier 4? BASTARDS, BASTARDS, BASTARDS, BASTARDS. Apologies for the outburst. Sadly, it doesn’t make me feel any better. They are just messing with our heads. BASTARDS. Nope, still don’t feel any better.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

Have just sent email to MP saying they are all murderous scum – they didnt help either

Last edited 4 years ago by CGL
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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

just tell them to RESIGN…we all need to do this and force a General Election……….

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Keep real, Harry. Fantasy doesn’t help.

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Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Yes, but who would take their place? There’s no remotely acceptable alternative at the moment. They’re all equally awful. I’d vote for the Clangers if they would stand. At least they have a Soup Monster. Yum.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

Just think we might end up with Herr Kneelalot Stalin instead. Frying pan and fire.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Sent a similar one to Wancock.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

Double secret probation next no doubt.

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

Power-mad sadists. Oh for that button from ‘How To Murder Your Wife’!

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Their plan

Provoke violence
Use the threat of violence to impose martial law and suspend parliament

Full on coup

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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Why though?

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

They know the only place they are going is prison

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

to RESET the economy…..destroy the current economy which isnt working for the SUPER RICH…wake up FFS…this is nothing to do with a fucking virus………

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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

I am awake mate, have been since March . The question is why would they want martial law, I do t necessarily disagree I just don’t understand the reason.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

It’s all about corralling the people and getting them to herd themselves towards the new future.
Martial law as one might think of it won’t happen here to suppress the people it will of course be to save the people , but the result on liberty will be the same. It’s another useful tool to be used at various levels to keep people scared and hoping the govt protects them from the bad things.
Unfortunately most of the gullible will swallow the BS

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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

I know it’s nothing to do with a virus, sadly I’ve fallen out with many people because of my views

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

I’m not going to fall out with you. I just don’t agree with you about this.

Some things we may agree on, some we may not agree on.

That’s life. We all have a different take on the world and what happens.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Erm, I think it’s you that needs to wake up.

I am perfectly capable of understanding this. I just do not agree with you.

You’re saying that the people who you describe as “super rich” aren’t really rich (the current economy isn’t working for them?) and if they destroy the economy then they’ll be rich?

You’re not making a whole heap of sense to me.

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Hubes
Hubes
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

They’ll be waiting a long time if that’s what they want (I don’t think it is) Most people in this country are still more than happy to comply with everything still after nearly a year. I think they enjoy being told what to do.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

‘Enjoy’ – I don’t know. But they ‘relish’ it and the pretense that they are doing ‘something’.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I think that for some boomers, all this is a sort of proxy WW2 for them. They grew up in the shadow of it, probably constantly told about it by their parents, and now this is their final chance to experience just a little of that same feeling. Orwell wrote that the Spanish Civil War held a similar appeal for the generation too young to have fought in the Great War.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Bro, parliament declared itself sovereign it’s already a coup. Never gorget that. As a British person we’re under no obligation to follow a self declared sovereign parliament

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

question is, who is/are “they”??? depending on the answer, full-on resistance might actually be the only rational response…

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago

I’m watching news on catch up so sorry if already covered but dictator says “1 in 3 cases are passed by asymptomatic people” I thought there was no evidence of asymptomatic transmission or at very most one dubious case ????

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

There isn’t any evidence, but that doesn’t let a “scientist” like Vallence saying there is and the media swallowing every word.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Media whores have so much to answer for : they bring to the fore the absolute corruption of social institutions in the 21st century.

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

They can say what they like now without censure, scrutiny or accountability. Objective reality outside of what they say it is doesn’t exist any more.

Last edited 4 years ago by Achilles
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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Yes, it’s no different to the Soviets and their tractor production quotas, five year plans etc now. No independent scrutiny allowed whatsoever, even though it is openly available online. A lot of people are holding out hope for the Drosten case in Germany, but even something on that scale could, I think, be simply ignored by our government.

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Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

Evidence? What’s that?

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Martin Walsh
Martin Walsh
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

An article I read in Nature reported that an asymptomatic person could pass on the virus but at a much lower rate than someone with symptoms. So, if 1 in 3 new cases are passed on in this way there would have to be a very large number of asymptomatic teenagers. Nonsense, of course.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

You’re right. It’s complete bollox.

The whole charade is built on the premiss of false positive “cases” and mythological “asymptomatic transmission”.

Last edited 4 years ago by Cheezilla
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Dean
Dean
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

As always consider anything they say the same as if it came from the original serpent itself.

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

I’m having an asymptomatic cardiac arrest at the moment

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

They are still pushing this old chestnut then even after WHO soundly discredited it.

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Les Tricoteuses
Les Tricoteuses
4 years ago

Does anyone here use an Alexa or similar, since they record all the time I wondered if they could be used to prove you had people in your house.

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l835
l835
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

Possibly, Amazon has a lot to thank the government for.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

Alexa has already been used as a ‘witness’ in a murder. Mobile phone location pings have helped catch numerous rapists and murderers.

Last edited 4 years ago by chaos
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Les Tricoteuses
Les Tricoteuses
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

What! Here or USA?

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

My Mum gave me one as a present, it went straight on eBay! I’m not having that shit in my house.

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Les Tricoteuses
Les Tricoteuses
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

No, nor me. But some of my relatives do which concerns me

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

But you don’t mind somebody else having it, should have had the Clinton Blackberry treatment.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

No, I don’t mind if people actually want to have such a thing. I’m pro choice as long as it doesn’t affect me. It’s when the choices of others impact my being that I take umbrage.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Yes my son asked me if I wanted one for Christmas last year.
I said I wouldn’t use it, which was true. This year however, my reply would be much stronger.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

It cannot be emphasised enough that if you own/ use one of these devices TURN IT OFF unplug it put it away safely.
These things hoover up everything about you and recycle it into AI surveillance. GET RID OF THESE THINGS

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago

When I tell people the very simple, basic fact that roughly 50,000 people die every month in this country, and about five million around the world, they call me mad. They literally say things like “everybody in the world would be dead if that was true!”

People are boundlessly, hopelessly stupid.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

It’s not so much ‘stupid’. It’s about ignorance. People really have no idea about numbers and risk.

When this is exploited by propagandists and liars – it’s dangerous.

But behind that fundamental ignorance is a brainwashing exercise which is quite unprecedented.

This has just been brought home to me in a ‘phone conversation with a very old friend (60years+).

We’ve not spoken for a while, so there’s no chance of preparation. I’m not going to fall out with him. That would make me stupid. But it made me realise how difficult it is to get through the solid wall of fiction that has been created in this world of falsehood. That is what brainwashing does – deprogramming isn’t a simple one-off.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yes, I ventured to tell an uncle about my anti lockdown views the other day in an e-mail. In his short reply he told be to “be safe” …

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yes. I don’t know how these brainwashed sheeples are going to be deprogrammed.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

So people aren’t born then?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

You and your logic! despite all the scary stories , for the first 9 months of 2020 the number of live births in E/W was greater than the total registered deaths, Spanish Flu and the Black Death saw a population reduction, the supposedly deadly SARS-Cov2 – Covid 19 has seen a population growth!’…….. but we must not let facts stand in the way of a good scary pandemic story.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

If old Billy and Klaus Schwabe get their way maybe 50000 people dieing a month will be a problem…

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

It would seem not!

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

There was some study a while back indicating that a significant proportion of people do not understand %s and they certainly do not go in for statistics. This has been one of the scandals of this virus hoo-haa, they have thrown out scary numbers with no attempt to put them into context. Death figures with no context of normal death rates nor any comparison with a bad flu year, they go on about hospital admissions with no indication of discharges and totals in hospital as if hospitals were the Hotel California and nobody ever comes out!

The shocking thing is that this lack of statistical understanding and appreciation seems to extend to Uberfuhrer Johnson and his miserable 4th Reich of a Government who now exert totalitarian control over us all.

On the subject of numbers as they announce ever more scarier numbers of people infected are they and this ‘virus’ not going to run out of victims at some stage?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

dePiffle et al are fed the stats by people who do understand numbers and know how to manipulate them so as to deceive but not tell actual lies.

It’s like the advertised 95% relative risk reduction of the Pfizer “vaccine” vs its 8% absolute effectiveness.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

They are , but Fatso & co are all there because they are believers.

They really do believe they are going to lead the people out of the past into a new bright future. Hence the ends justifying the means approach . They are of course lacking native wit and understanding of how people work , this is their Achilles heel.

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I go a step further. They have been intentionally ignoring, manipulating or hiding context. They have weaponised statistics and counted on people not understanding them at anything other than a superficial level.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Why else do you think that all statistics are now posted in terms of per 100,000. 100 in every 100,000 sounds a lot more scary than 1 in a thousand

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I figure that with all the numbers being thrown around testing vaccined cases infections hospitalisations etc we must at the very least be very close to running out of viable people.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Well you have to remember how stupid the average person is and then realise half are more stupid than that.

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Ken Gardner
Ken Gardner
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Yes, one death every minute in UK is also useful…

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

You can say that again.

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chris
chris
4 years ago

BREXIT DELAY TOMORROW

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

Yup!

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Les Tricoteuses
Les Tricoteuses
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

I think we are now more useful outside Europe than in. Nice little isolated testbed.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

Not ‘useful’. Just ‘irrelevant’.

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You’re clearly a fine mind Rick, which makes your belief that Britain derived some kind of “relevance” from membership of the EU all the more mystifying.

Relevance to whom, and to what end?

Is “relevance” perhaps a euphemism for “something that makes RickH feel superior to other humans”?

Last edited 4 years ago by Alexei
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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

I think you’ll find we’re still very much entangled with Europe, especially where defence is involved.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

damn right – uk is a large nuclear power (albeit not quite as big as france – who’d have guessed?)

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  chris

erm, brexit has already happened…

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago

The only way to defeat this now is to actively break the rules and get fined, then fight the fines. Clog up the system. Render it unworkable. Remember what became of the Poll Tax.

These guys will help:

https://www.rebelnews.com/fight_the_fines_uk

Spread the word.

Civil protest now. Resits, resist, resist.

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I am NOT doing RESITS?….I did them 40 years ago!!!…(lol)

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Hahaha! It’s the government who need to do resits.

Thanks for the laugh. Needed it! x

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Not even the Great Resit?

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Biggles
Biggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Oh you’ve done it now, 45 years ago I was known as the resit kid! Got a degree in eventually.

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Moomin
Moomin
4 years ago

I just typed in my post code and it brought up North Korea!

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Luckyharry69
Luckyharry69
4 years ago
Reply to  Moomin

Mine was Venezuela!!……..

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Luckyharry69

Mine was vuvuzela.

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TyRade
TyRade
4 years ago

On the plus side, think of the CO2 we’re not emitting, said Princess Nut Nuts. Many happy Year Zeroes!

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

Seems like they were just looking for an excuse to put tougher restrictions over Xmas without losing face.

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Mike
Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Spot on. As the saying goes…‘it’s not about the virus, it’s about control’.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

It hasn’t been about the Virus since day1.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

When they switch off the net.. we need a way to still talk.

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l835
l835
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

They won’t as generally it’s fuelling the hysteria, but sites like this will become strangely hard to find…

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  l835

Hiding too much could damage google’s leading SEO..

Interesting how most of google went down the other week…

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Pigeon.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

I think that’s unlikely as it’s required to keep the hysteria going and to enable people to work/shop online, check what the latest diktats are etc. In the event of a total shutdown or severe curtailment of all but essential online services, people are going to have to form local resistance groups and grow them carefully, so now is the time to get to know fellow sceptics in your area.

I’ll try to do a bit of research into how this was done in the pre-internet era eg in occupied France, Hungary in 1956 etc.

Last edited 4 years ago by Cranmer
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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

?

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago

Bugger this. I’m going to the corner shop to buy beer and whisky. Then I’m going to spend the evening watching classic Sopranos episodes,

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

That is the whole box set then

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Furio just got to work collecting a debt with extreme prejudice. I like Furio.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

How to make the hospitals look full:

Covid-19 patients are spending longer in hospital now than during the first wave, raising concerns that ‘bed blockers’ who could be discharged are clogging up wards when the NHS is already stretched thin.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/length-covid-hospital-stays-exceed-first-wave-average-nhs-capacity/

“The time spent in hospital has increased because people are less likely to die from the infection now than in the Spring,” Prof Hunter said. “On average a patient who dies from Covid will need a bed for fewer days than those who are eventually discharged.”
Another reason for longer hospital stays is that doctors fear a rerun of the disaster in the spring, when many patients were discharged too early back into nursing homes and the community, causing the virus to spread rapidly.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

The whole crazy fabric is constipated and needs to take a big dump.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

They’re certainly full of shit.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

And as far as I am aware, HCQ and Ivermectin are still not available for early stage treatment that would free up 3/4 of the beds. (Of course, C, D, & Zn are also needed.)

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago

Here is my MP’s take on today’s news (bearing in mind we were Tier 1 until 5 November and are now Tier 4):

The new restrictions will be a blow to many; I too will be changing plans & will be upset to leave relatives alone. But with hospitals at capacity & cases rising these restrictions are vital. Govt should have acted last week but we must all follow the rules to protect each other.

So she thinks the govt should have acted last week… but had still made plans to visit relatives and would have gone ahead and done so despite thinking this had the government decided not to act?!

You can’t get more hypocritical can you?

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Give her time.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

She’s a liar. Hospitals are not at capacity.

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Mine used the same bollocks and she’s Minister of State for Social Care, cheeky mare!

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Fuck the hospitals.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and then some……………………………

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

Go to war against telegraph.. report every 77th and bedwetter as spam…

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Uncle Monty
Uncle Monty
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Adam Hill
Qui Curat

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

get round the paywall whilst you’re at it
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/blob/master/README.md

they took £3M from Gates….

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

thanks for that :0

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

Fraisy Lou who has another friend or relative dying every other day.

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Telpin
Telpin
4 years ago

My daughter was in a small shop on London buying presents. The radio was on and as soon as Boris made his announcement, the owner burst into tears and had to be comforted by staff. These bastards are destroying lives and they don’t give a damn.

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ConstantBees
ConstantBees
4 years ago
Reply to  Telpin

And commenters on the Daily Mail are calling people “selfish” for being upset about it.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
4 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

I no longer look at MailOnLine. It is bad for my health.

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Elenesse
Elenesse
4 years ago
Reply to  ConstantBees

The 77th brigade are out in force. I’ve had over 20 comments in reply to my comment wishing death and illness on me, apparently I deserve nothing less for daring to disagree with this tyranny and expressing my opinion. They call me selfish for being upset that our freedoms have been destroyed and our very way of life compromised.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

Yep smacks of 77th.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich

“’Liber 77’ is the gematrian name for Liber OZ- a brief but popular publication by Aliester Crowley. The word ‘oz’, which means ‘strength’, is composed of two hebrew letters- ayin and zayin, which have gematrian values of 70 and 7 respectively, thus adding up to 77.”

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

You aren’t Mr John Dee by any chance?

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

I’m a big fan of his actually, having read his biography.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/729729.The_Queen_s_Conjurer

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

Well FUCK THEM, they are the problem, not you!

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  Telpin

Destroying lives and saving none.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Telpin

I simply don’t know what is going on anymore, this country is screwed unless something changes very soon. Madness, or evil, is evident that is a fact.

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Mike
Mike
4 years ago

Apologies if someone else has asked this already but has anyone else considered that this may be a convenient way of hiding any sudden rise in vaccine reactions/death at and just after Christmas? Obviously we’ll get our usual seasonal spike in January and Feb but will we get a few extras due to the vaccine? I just find it amazing that a supposed ‘new strain’ of the virus has suddenly appeared just as the vaccine is rolling out and it’s now given the muppets in government a much needed reason to lock us all up over Christmas.

im pretty sure they know by now a lot of people will ignore this new decree, and that will also be the justification for a 6week lockdown, fully masked after Christmas. Victoria 2.0.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I suppose it could be a side-benefit, but I think the aim is just to break as many people’s spirit as possible now.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I’d be open to any theory right now. Unchartered waters.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

The UK Government is deliberately working to harm us
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Last edited 4 years ago by Ben
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Wolver
Wolver
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Will post again. All planned back in march.https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

Good evening London. Welcome to the Gulag.

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James007
James007
4 years ago

All I want for Christmas is the complete destruction of the Conservative Party.
I want all their MPs gone. Those with no principles (Johnson, Hancock), those who sold their principles for power (Rees-Mogg, Gove), and those who knew what the right thing was, but didn’t do nearly enough to stop it (Baker, Brady). If there were any conservatives amoung the backbenches, they would be writing their resignation speeches now.
Whoever the opposition leader is, we cannot fall for the lies again.. “you must vote for us or else you’ll let in the opposition”

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  James007

Starmer is worse. Only Alexander Lukashenko said No to the Covid Cabal

Last edited 4 years ago by Ben
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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  James007

but for christ’s sake don’t vote for labour and kier trilateral commission starmer

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  James007

We definitely don’t want Starmer he’s worse than Johnson. We need Corbyn but hey the MSM took care if that one and the sheeples did what they were told.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  James007

I don’t think it matters now. We’re beyond party politics at this point. An anti-lockdown coalition is our only hope, but I suspect by the time the next election is due, such things as elections won’t exist any more.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  James007

If someone called ‘Boaty McBoatface’ stands, I will vote for them.

Alternatively:

https://www.omrlp.com/

Sanity, by comparison with this complete freak show, weird out.

Last edited 4 years ago by Monro
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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Yes, I’d be drawn to a candidate called BlackAdder myself!

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

A cynic could argue that under Tier 4 lockdown, during the Christmas/New Year holiday period, could be a good time to release bad news. Especially if you were considering a sell out to somebody or something you have been in negotiations with for the last few years.

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Cynicism isn’t always a synonym for wisdom.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

zzzzz

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

No, I am fully awake smarty pants. I just disagree with you.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

You are right. This has much more to do with Brexit than we think. But it’s No Deal that will be catastrophic for jobs for Manufacturing for agriculture etc. Also the supply chain will be severely disrupted leading to increases in food prices etc. All because a succession of Tory Governments were completely unable to negotiate with our allies and to plan not even on a basic level for this. They just assumed the EU would cave in. They didn’t. So now we have this unholy mess clearly unfolded in Kent earlier this week.

Looking at the Tier 4’s quite a few have key ports Essex London Kent is the one that really stands out and others. I wonder why that is now?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I spotted that as soon as they announced the new mutant ninja covie. It must be a smokescreen linked with Brexit.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago

get rid of Johnson & Hancock now I cannot stand watching the briefings anyway Conservative MP’s must wake up and act

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago

I don’t think I’ve ever felt angrier – it’s not even massively altered my own plans, but just the completely shit way of moving the goalposts on the thinnest (non-existent) evidence is beyond contempt.

Going to have to find some additional plans that do break the laws, then!

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago
Reply to  bucky99

Totally agree with you. Son, daughter in law and grandchildren were coming down on Wednesday. Daughter and fiancé due to come on Christmas Day and stay over, they’re now in tier 4. Youngest in Wales now in tier 4, unable to work as restaurants are now closed.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

It’ll be awful for people. Many having toe’d the line just to get through to Christmas.

We had friends due up on Boxing Day, but their newly acquired Tier 4 status has canned that. It was the only thing my wife had really been looking forward to – family weren’t willing to take a (non-existent) risk, so that was going to be our party. None of her friends want to break the rules, unlike enough of mine, so she is made to suffer.

bastards.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

Sheer criminal.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  bucky99

Since the Tier 4 announcement in Wales a few hours ago, I’ve since made plans to meet up with even more people next week.

Grandma prohibited by her brainwashed husband to meet us on Christmas Eve. She’s slipping out to meet us anyway.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Great to hear, good on her!

Our Christmas Eve plans will continue also.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Yay! Go Grandma!!

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  bucky99

Most of my relatives live in Scotland. I’ve bought all the presents, booked train travel, booked a rented apartment so it’s not as if I was going to be in people’s houses all the time. I’ll wait a couple of days in case there is some pushback and slight relaxation, but I’m not hopeful. Looks like everything is cancelled and I’ll be spending Christmas on my own. I’m mentally strong but this is the hardest thing I’ve had to deal with since my divorce 13 years ago (which was relatively amicable but still a bit of a hard time).

Last edited 4 years ago by Edward
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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  Edward

And there will be many people who will find that they don’t have the mental strength. I’m lucky, I’ll still be with my immediate family.

But have they even given a thought to those who don’t have their family with them, or even locally, and now can’t travel? That’s what is so spiteful about this.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Edward

If you’re on your own, these are the rules for England (assuming the people you want to meet up with are sticklers for the rules):

Support and childcare bubblesThere is separate guidance for support bubbles and childcare bubbles across all tiers. You can form a support bubble with another household if any of the following apply to you:

  • you are the only adult in your household (any other members of the household having been under 18 on 12 June 2020), or are an under 18 year old living without any adults
  • you live with someone with a disability who requires continuous care and there is no other adult living in the household
  • you live with a child under 1, or who was under 1 on 2 December 2020
  • you live with a child under 5, or who was under 5 on 2 December 2020, with a disability

You may need to change your support bubble if your circumstances change. Find out more about changing your support bubble.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I read that twice and I literally don’t understand any of it at all.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Given that nobody is monitoring our bubbles (yet!) I don’t see any reason to pay it any attention.

It’s all a load of bubbles.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago

so are our politicians commie’s who are now ‘coming out’

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

Looks to be the case.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  bucky99

The CCP is merely moving to consolidate its unruly new Western territories.

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Hubes
Hubes
4 years ago

I don’t really follow what’s going on, but I’m assuming we are still expected to eat out to help out, yeah?

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

Not so; we’re expected to eat shit and ask for more. And pay the bill afterwards.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

Nope. It’s outright repression now. For your own good

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Son won a battle against Facebook.

They deleted some of his comments and posts about lockdowns and the vaccine and they said he was posting disinformation.

He answered them and asked them to debunk what he had posted as it was truth.

They e-mailed him back and apologised, agreed he posted the truth and reinstated the post.

Win for the little guys.

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janis pennance
janis pennance
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Impressed , well done son

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

funny stuff going on over at the Daily Mail-normally the comments are heavily anti lockdown-today you are getting at least 20 up as well as 20 down rated

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John P
John P
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

77th must be on weekend time and a half.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  John P

It’s the same on the BBC news comments (if you can stomach that). It is usually overwhelmingly supportive of the most brainless pro lockdown posts you can imagine. But occasionally they miss a thread, and it stands out like a sore-thumb because suddenly the anti lockdown comments are top-rated.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

So much for “trusted source” !

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Often happens, when the anti lock down comments go on, they appear to have people ready and waiting to counter, maybe not many, as the comments are pretty much the same

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

Bots. Get them in the DT and the DM too. Always say the same rubbish, trying to fill the thread with pointless argument when people respond. It’s important to ignore them.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

How good is their English? I remember a lot of pro Remain comments suddenly appearing there in the last couple of weeks of the EU Referendum campaign whereas previously it had been running v pro Leave. The English was like Google translate and they couldn’t follow local cultural references. You can normally catch them out with things like references to old kids TV programmes that most British people will have heard of.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Plastic sceptics. Talk a good game but when it comes to it.

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jhfreedom
jhfreedom
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

I noticed that too. Maybe the zealots only come out at crucial moments that might upset their narrative, eg when SAGE kill Christmas.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
4 years ago

SAGE and the NHS are now calling the shots (which has always been their aim even before Covid) knowing Johnson and co are powerless to do a thing about it. We are now completely governed and controlled by the medical proffession.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

A medico-fascist state is, I think, the description of the polity in which we now live.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

You missed out ‘corporatist’.

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Mark Tinker
Mark Tinker
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

I think you will find the Greeks have a word fir it…Kakistocracy, government by the least able experienced or suitable..literally meaning government by the worst.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark Tinker

Perfect description of the current shower.

It’s all a load of kack too.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

In the form of medical expert Bill Gates.

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Ricky R
Ricky R
4 years ago

That lockdown in november to “save christmas” sure worked great didn’t it.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Ricky R

Great point, how many people even remember this given the daily bewildering bombardment of contradictory lies and obfuscations? We are being schooled in psychological warfare here. It has been astonishing to bear witness to the state fully decloaking and revealing the monster that it is.

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BJJ
BJJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Well put. We´ll still win.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

I wish I could share your optimism.

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago

Wonder what reply I would get from my MP now if I asked him what was going on, he has voted against the government every time, but doesnt break ranks otherwise

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Aslangeo
Aslangeo
4 years ago

This guy says it more eloquently than I can

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/19/the-shocking-cruelty-of-cancelling-christmas/

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Aslangeo

Yes, family first, sod Parliament, they are all in on it. Moved 25,000 out of hospital then tell us they are protecting us, all lies

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago

Can’t find number of tests done in London anywhere. Does it exist? As far as I can make out number of cases is never, ever contextualised against this.

So far this evening I’ve gone from close to tears, to ready to punch anyone’s lights out, to aggressively working my way through the beer in the fridge.

Last edited 4 years ago by Adamb
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JYC
JYC
4 years ago

This is what happens when people just accept everything that has been done without questioning it. The government then knows that it can do whatever it likes, despite what it has said to the country. If you concede and concede and concede you lose everything slowly. The path of least resistance is ultimately the most costly.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  JYC

We are losing everything, and not that slowly either. Freedom of assembly and movement permanently destroyed in less than a year. Freedom of speech and bodily autonomy to follow in 2021.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago

The next front has been opened up, I’ve posted this before but it needs to be spread

https://www.iceagefarmer.com/2020/12/15/the-cyberpandemic-has-begun-solarwinds-fireeye-anything-can-happen-now/

https://www.iceagefarmer.com/2020/12/18/250k-hens-perish-in-fire-uk-navy-to-defend-fishing-waters-explosive-soybean-situation/

Our best hope is to keep plugging away at spreading as much info as widely as possible, it’s the strongest weapon available and we need to use it .

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

Exactly right. This looks like the next phase. We are in for quite a ride.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

Ice Age Farmer has been doing great work all year, well worth checking out.

Xmas being cancelled will look like being lightly tickled with a feather duster by comparison with what is in store for us in 2021.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

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‘Stay safe!’ they say… ‘Stay safe’… Don’t ever tell me to stay safe
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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Absolutely tragic. That made me weep.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  dhid

Ditto. My elder son is not much younger. It breaks my heart to think of the young lives sacrificed deliberately, and so uncaringly by Boris and Co.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

My niece is nearly 22, I dread the future for her, I really do.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

That’s awful 😢

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

What a terrible terrible terrible waste of a young life. That a young person who should have everything to live for has been mentally tortured by our Government through isolation, no social contact, redundancy and worse into taking his own life is deeply and profoundly distressing. His parents will be in my thoughts and in my prayers tonight. I’m fairly certain that brilliant lawyers could bring Duty of Care legal cases against the NHS, the Secretary of State for Health and others because this is a direct result of deliberate and enforced mental cruelty.

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Fcuk off Boris
Fcuk off Boris
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

I am so so sorry for your loss, simply horrific. At least he is free now, he will be looking down and glad he hasn’t got to socially distance or wear a fucking face mask in a shop. So so so sorry for you, huge virtual hug. Xx

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago

Not sure if this has been posted. Chaos, you mentioned earlier about burying bad news on the vaccine – this looks serious with 5 incidents now:

FDA investigating allergic reactions to Pfizer vaccine reported in multiple states | TheHill

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Interesting. I know for a fact Ethelyne Glycol is the main ingredient in Anti-freeze and is used a lot in murders (mainly domestic marital murders) in the USA. A lot. Any correlation do you think?

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago

Collective amnesia. It’s like they unlearned everything they ever knew about viruses this year. Medical doctors and scientists are, with few exceptions, cowardly and disgraceful.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago

Only the second time ever, I was challenged in a shop about my lack of gimp gag. A woman, young end of middle age, beady officious eyes of hate and domineering/sarcastic tone. I thought about pretending I couldn’t understand her unless she removed her mask. But I just opted for the easy: ‘I’m exempt. Thankyou for your understanding.’ She snarled sarcastically and fucked off. I then mouthed ‘Twat,’ a few times at the vegetables while regaining my composure.

How do others approach this? Do you go for the killer reply, or just close it down as I did?

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I just, as calmly as I can, say I’m exempt. Any more trouble and I might start to get annoyed.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I just say I’m exempt.

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Please madam, if you know of a scientific paper published in reputable scientific journal that provides convincing evidence that mask wearing has prevented a single death I’d be grateful if would supply me with the title of that paper and the name of it’s author. Were such a paper to exist it would rid of terrible feeling I was being taken for fool were to wear one.

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Peter
Peter
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I find popping by air pods in, smiling and then humming/singing something catchy really riles them up. I watched Blazing Saddles last night so found myself sing “The Camp Town Ladies” quite a lot on my shopping trip this afternoon.

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

My favourite one, which I haven’t had a chance to use is: “I’m exempt because I have a rare medical condition. It’s called sanity and it’s suppresses the gullibility glands and makes you impervious to government bullshit.”

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I’ve never been challenged but if I ever am I plan to tell the bastard – very loudly – that I had a rag stuffed in my mouth when I was sexually abused as a child (I wasn’t), by someone who looked a lot like them. Just to see the fucking face on them.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

I like that response.

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Alan P
Alan P
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Depends on what you look like. As an ex-front row forward I tend not to get challenged. On the one occasion that I did the challenger very quickly back tracked.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

IF I am ever challenged by somebody who is wearing a face mask, I shall simply ask them “Why are you wearing a face mask?” When the inevitable replay comes back “Because the law says I have to”, I shall simply reply, “The same law says I don’t. Goodbye”.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I say I am carrying a rabbit’s foot. Because it is safer.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I’ve never been challenged but I’d just close it down. Life’s too short to engage with such people.
As my DH would say “You can’t educate pork.”

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I have had it twice both by middle aged men. I just ask them if they are an on duty policeman and when they say no I just say in that case I am not answerable to you. In both cases they walked off…if they had taken it further I would have given them both barrels of abuse.

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Sophie123
Sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I don’t even speak to them. I just raise my exemption card to their face and walk off. Only got one today. Even police on the tube didn’t accost me.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago

So the latest edition of the Welsh legislation is now online.
https://gov.wales/health-protection-coronavirus-restrictions-no-5-wales-regulations-2020

Interesting to note that it was laid before the Senydd on the 18th, with a start date of the 21st December (except for part six, which started on the 23rd but had the Christmas exemption).

So Drakeford announced today that he is imposing this from tonight, but I bet there is not another set of legislation published.

Any thoughts?

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

At this rate next year will be my last, I fear the dystopia can only get worse. As much as I miss my mum at least she’s now free from this unending nightmare.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

People care about you here. You are innocent. What the Government is doing to the people is a crime against humanity.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

It’s just so hard for them to get away with all this with so little resistance. The future will definitely not be worth living in.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Listen DRW. One thing is guaranteed is that they cannot keep this narrative going much longer. They’ve had, for God’s sake, invent a new mutant strain peculiar to the UK just to do what they have just done. How many more can they? Witless looked as though he was deeply uncomfortable with the lies he was telling, this is the first time he looked harassed. He also said this mutant strain would not cause any further deaths it just transmitted more quickly. BS of course. They have reached a level of arrogance so drunk are they with power that they are just lying on lying on lying. To some extent, they are getting away with it. But, have you noticed that the vaccine thing has now dropped out of the equation. That was short-lived wasn’t it? Supply chain problems getting through the EU is going to seriously delay it.

Don’t focus on the Sheeple’s lack of resistance, that’s not worth it. Focus on where there is dissent getting through. It is, just a lot of people don’t want to put their head above the parapets and speak out to friends and family. Remember, it is a key British personality trait that people want to be liked they desperately want to be liked that’s why we are two-faced to quite a large degree (not us on here but I think you know what I mean).

Dissent is out there. Massive resistance building up in Austria, already evidence and up and running in Germany and France. The worse thing you can do is plunge into despair because that’s what they want people to do, this feeling of “There’s nothing I can do about it”. Well, there is and we are. Keep up your posting and leafletting because that’s where strength of mind builds. Despair is the worst possible thing. Look at the Palestinians, they are struggling just to be treated as Human Beings and for basic things like food, water and electricity. These things are denied them a lot and now they are losing their housing which is being demolished by a Government of Occupation. Yet they still fight. They have been massacred, killed, denied justice, denied everything basically but yet they still go out there and fight. I have absolute admiration for them because they know statistically they will lose many loved ones doing this.

We can survive all this shit and we will. We can’t fight it though if we are in despair and despondency.

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

If it helps, I just noted this

https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/09/low-mood-a-reasonable-excuse-to-ignore-coronavirus-restrictions/

Not quite legal advice but useful for non-lawyers.

So if you’re feeling stressed, anxious and depressed via social isolation can you ignore some of the restrictions?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Definitely?! You can’t know that.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Thank you KH, you are a big inspiration for me. I had been through a spell of feeling better but have reached new lows again.

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Gill
Gill
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I know what you mean DRW. My husband died 3 years ago and as much as I miss him (particularly as he would have been as much of a sceptic as me!) at least he didn’t have to live through this shit.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

DRW: we’re going to win this. I can honestly say I’ve never doubted it for a moment. There may be a lot of damage along the way, but we’re going to win it.

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Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Whereabouts are you? Maybe you could meet up with other LS readers? Chin up. This will end.

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Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Don’t give up! I think the tide of public opinion is finally turning. Things might change quite dramatically, and soon.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1340325674360295424

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

It just needs a few million more like him.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

i think there’ll be about 75 million just like him – i’m afraid to say…

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago

It’s a scam.

I thought I’d change tack and focus on the politics instead of the cover story. Many people shy away from The Science™, but everyone has an opinion on politicians.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

This is a good and correct analogy and an effective means of getting to certain people I think.

I will say though that the oil was a deflection tactic, it had everything to do with destroying the Iraqi way of life and by extension the middle eastern way of life. It’s only because of Putin’s AA missiles in Syria that it didn’t escalate.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Brilliant, I’m going to print a lot off and go distributing tomorrow.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago

Nigel Farage’s most recent FB post reads, ‘Christmas cancelled. Thank you China’.

Immediately deflecting people’s anger away from the government. I had high hopes for the Reform Party, maybe they were misplaced.

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Yeah. I couldn’t care less about where the virus (if it exists) originated. I care about how OUR government addresses the issue. It certainly comes across as deflection.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

A cheap, lazy swipe from Nigel Farage. What a waste of space he is

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

That’s harsh on old Nigel. No one is perfect but he’s done a hell of a lot to try and bring freedom to the British and deserve our support

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

He was fully pro-lockdown until he spotted a political opportunity. Not worth paying attention to.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Leave your Farage in the garage and walk is my advice, he’s a populist city boy at best.

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Yep – a very sad truth, he is just another politician with his eye on the main chance.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Yes – complete misdirection.

Implies that the ‘cancellation’ of Christmas is epidemiologically necessary.

Last edited 4 years ago by calchas
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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

I hate to admit it, but Farage does look like controlled opposition sometimes. He attributed Biden’s win to legal postal vote harvesting, rather than illegal fraud – and that just doesn’t look entirely credible as an explanation for the patterns seen.

As for blaming China for this, China has shown us the way forward – although not in the way that the bubble thinks. The CCP is brutal, but it is sane. Maybe it’s also learnt from the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution – it has evolved a way to admit mistakes quickly without actually admitting to error. On the rona, they just declared victory – exactly as our own regime should have done.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

That man’s a total tosser!

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Farage has been faulty on lockdown from the start. He’s more obsessed with migrants than the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
I’d rather vote for Fox.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago

As I intend to resist, can anyone please tell me what is the procedure for refusing a Fixed Penalty Notice if issued one by a police constable? As I understand it one simply refuses on the spot, and one is then issued with a court summons. Or does one also have to be arrested and charged first?
Also, what is the court procedure? Presumably it is a magistrate’s court. Does one require a solicitor/barrister etc, or does one defend oneself?
I’d like to at least have the initial bit clear in my mind in case it happens.

Last edited 4 years ago by Cranmer
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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

The Twitter site Law or Fiction might help

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

My first port of call if (and now, in all probability, when) this happens to me will be these fellows:

https://www.rebelnews.com/fight_the_fines_uk

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

OK. You definitely do not have to be arrested for the issue of a Fixed Penalty Notice (there would be one hell of a lot of people with parking violations under arrest!). They get issued for civic law offences. So, they issue you with one, you don’t have to take it you can refuse it. Then yes, you will receive threatening letters that if you don’t pay you MAY be prosecuted. If it goes that far, you will be asked to appear in Court BUT that depends on whether the CPS decide to prosecute it which at the moment, they are not in the majority of cases. You can defend yourself as any Defendant has the right of audience to represent themselves.

I’d suggest if they hand you one, don’t take it or accept it. They will then send it to you through the post. You are quite free to throw it away but keep it as evidence. Then follow the yellow brick road!

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

Thanks for this. I’m guessing the police may try to make it look as if one has to accept an FPN, so it’s good to know the procedure. I don’t want to be jailed under Covid rules, but it is something I’m having to consider at the back of my mind.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

I think the same way.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

But how do they know your address? Do you have to tell them?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

See my answer just now.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

No you don’t have to tell them. With FPNs for parking violations they obviously have your number plate. However, they can arrest you to give them but, even then, at the police station, you don’t have to give them. Just state No Comment. Since it is a civic offence and not a criminal one, they’d have to prove you committed a criminal offence to get you to Court. The CPS wouldn’t touch it.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

Thanks, that’s pretty well what I was going to do if it comes to it. Say nothing, let them arrest me, then stay silent.

I’ve never been in trouble with The law, and I’m shocked that I have to be thinking these things through so that I know how to act should it come to it.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

So even if you refuse the FPN they can still give it to you? Even if you request a summons?

Would they demand you turn round and go home do you think?

Last edited 4 years ago by A. Contrarian
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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

You don’t have to open it though. They can’t demand anything really.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1103/made

(5) A fixed penalty notice must—

(a)give reasonably detailed particulars of the circumstances alleged to constitute the offence;

(b)state the period during which (because of paragraph (4)(a)) proceedings will not be taken for the offence;

(c)specify the amount of the fixed penalty;

(d)state the name and address of the person to whom the fixed penalty may be paid;

(e)specify permissible methods of payment.

As i understand it, if you refuse to give your name and address, they will have to take you to the station where it’s ok to give your details to the duty officer. They will have to charge you with something and you have a right to a solicitor. No comment is useful here.

The police will have generated themselves a mountain of paperwork and the charge will probably be dropped if it gets to court. That bit is of course a gamble.

We had an essay by a former high-ranking policeman in the Update a few weeks ago. Is it in the archives or can Mabel Cow find it for us please?

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Purely out of interest, what happens if you give no details, pretend not to understand English, demand and interpreter for a made up language? Do they have to let you go, or do you get sectioned?

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Best to stick to the No Comment principle to every question they ask. Don’t complicate it. No Comment is perfectly acceptable and deployed more often than you think. It reverts the onus of proof of a criminal, arrestable offence on to the police. If you go for any kind of sham response you aren’t doing yourself any favours. Stick to No Comment to every question asked. It’s very effective.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Thanks Cheezilla – as per my reply to Jo D. above.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

My understanding is;

  1. Most of the lock down regs are drafted under the Public Health Act which specifies that you should first be warned and given the chance to ‘change your ways’ and only then can further measures be contemplated;
  2. Then you can tell the police officer issuing the fixed penalty notice (FPN) that you would rather be summonsed, they can then either; nonetheless issue you with a fixed penalty notice or take your details and send them to the CPS.
  3. Under the lockdown regs issued to date, you can only be arrested if you refuse to provide your details or if there is an emergency situation (e.g. demonstration) such that you need to be arrested in order to move you to somewhere safe so that details can be taken.
  4. If you are issued with a fixed penalty notice it is in effect an offer to pay in lieu of a summons, you can decline this offer and return the FPN within the time stated and request a summons for a court trial. Your papers will then be sent to the CPS for consideration of a court case. If the CPS do go for a court case this will most likely be at a magistrates court.
  5. Whatever; if you are issued with a FPN do not just ignore it, this can result in a Magistrates action known as a Single Justice procedure, whereby you will most likely be fined for more than the amount on the FPN
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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

There is a deep and intimate connection between the Covid narrative and the repeated attempts to remove Trump culminating in the recent brazen and massive election fraud. People in the UK will be largely ignorant of developments in the USA because of active censorship by the BBC news teams and their mates at Sky and ITV. But things are getting very serious.

Trump has called his followers out on the streets of DC, on 6 Jan, the day Congress is supposed to approve and confirm Biden as the next President of the USA. Many believe he will declare martial law and this might give the neccessary reason: developing civil conflict on the streets.

He has released a video: “Fight for Trump – Save America – Save the World”. I think in the context of what is going on here, it is very interesting that this “American nationalist” par excellence references the rest of the world. He clearly feels there is a worldwide struggle going on. I would characterise that using the shorthand of globalism v populism. Everywhere it is the Globalists who support lockdowns (in the West, not in China).

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Meanwhile in China….

…maskless people partying in Wuhan:

One night in Wuhan: ‘Liberated’ people party maskless in COVID-19’s original epicentre | National Post

Coronavirus Ground Zero Wuhan learns to party again a year after millions were locked down | Daily Mail Online

The best quote?

“I really just want to cherish this time in life, because you never know when it will end.”

Ffs.

Last edited 4 years ago by awildgoose
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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

you are bang on the money

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I am sorry it’s come to this, but he needs to fight fire with fire.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Again – Yawn!

Trump is a moronic side-show, not verification that Biden is, indeed, a twat.

Last edited 4 years ago by RickH
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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yawn!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You won’t engage so no point in discussing this with you.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Well said.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Meant to add this speculation: it does seem to me it is possible the word has gone out via the globalist network that every Western government has now to make it appear the Covid crisis is getting far worse not better. This will help the US MSM characterise Trump as irresponsible and ineffective re the virus and help justify the banning of the Jan 6 pro Trump march.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I am totally with OCUK on this. There have been two crimes of the century over the same period. The Coronavirus crimes and the rigged election. This is not a coincidence. I have looked at what little data gets past the censorship and believe me, that election is dodgy as hell. It’s not even hard to see, which is why it has to be censored thoroughly. The world MSM are clearly in on this and you only have to look at any MSM article to see that they have been instructed to put the same inaccurate statements into every sentence involving Trump. I am sure that many of us don’t want to get involved in this because to an outsider it really does look like we have lost our minds to believe both of these seemingly unbelievable things. Brexit, the Democrat vote rigging, Coronavirus and CO2 are all the same thing, and I am expecting a new crisis soon I’m the form of cyber-attacks.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago

The Roman patricians kept the plebians under control by providing bread and circuses and the plebs never revolted. The plebs will never revolt as we have soaps and benefits.

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

And we all know what happened to the Roman Empire. The current West will die much more quickly!

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I agree. The roman people got so disalusioned with the system that the people couldn’t be bothered to defend Rome so it was left to mercenaries to defend Rome and they realised why defend Rome when they can sack it.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

This time even the bread and circuses have been cancelled, yet the plebs still do not revolt.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

They will, they will. Also, I’ve seen some white hot fury from some Tory MPs who voted for the Lockdown. Johnson knows this – there is massive rebellion on the backbenches of the Tory Party not just because of this (now their constituencies have taken a hit) but with Brexit also. They are on the war path. That’s why I think they didn’t run the risk today of a full lockdown (although it clearly is for millions and millions). Johnson isn’t going to get away with this Comrade Keir Stalin will support him every step of the way because he’s the next wannabee Dictator but Johnson’s own MPs won’t.

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

Sorry but most Tory MPs are pathetic. Don’t expect anything from them.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Yet!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

They’re not doing v well in either department. Little known fact: in Ancient Rome the standard working day was six hours.

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Were those Roman hours though? I think they divided the daylight into six equal hours, so they were longer in the summer. Not such a cushy gig when calculated this way.

Last edited 4 years ago by guy153
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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago

Right now I’m planning a route to visit relatives on Boxing Day that will avoid possible roadblocks and border checks as well as possible excuses if I get stopped by the police. This is Britain in 2020 and most people seem to think this is perfectly fine. I’ve given up hope on people waking up to what has actually happened.

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

When realisation finally reaches the great unwashed there is going to be one gad-almighty explosion. The longer that realisation is held off, the bigger the bang will be. I just hope I live long enough to see the politicians being ripped from power!

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I fear there will never be such a realisation until it’s too late.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

As someone posted on here yesterday – they are thinking of applying to North Korea for Assylum seeker status!

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

Covid Blockbuster

https://twitter.com/i/status/1339775238616264704

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago

I live in East Yorkshire on my own and my parents live in Scotland. Not sure what Sturgeon’s restrictions are and frankly could not care less, but what kind of enforcement do you think they would be imposing? I’m going to be driving up and most certainly not just for one bloody day!

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

There just aren’t the resources for any major roadblocks. Even if there are, you just need to have your story straight (eg, visiting support bubble), keep calm and stay polite. I’d avoid travel late on Christmas Eve though, as even in normal times police tend to be on the look out for drunk drivers.

Last edited 4 years ago by Cranmer
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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Unfortunately I’m stuck at work due to ‘phone cover’ until at least 1pm on Xmas Eve. Hopefully, I can leave soon after and cover most of the journey in daylight.

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

Yes I heard something about how you aren’t allowed to stay over.

Obviously it’s much safer to be driving 300 miles home on icy roads after perhaps a drink or two than sleeping in a bed in a house. 🤔

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Just watching people reporting from a demo in Germany. The demo was cancelled last minute, and this person was threatened with arrest if he did not leave that minute.
So just take up the hospitality of the local police station.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1340317528590077955

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

And the next phase of the fiendish plot begins as our lovely Nicola lays out a sadly unavoidable tightening of restrictions all as a response to the completely unprecedented deadly – as in even more deadly – new variant. ( I assume it’s the same new variant that was announced recently – though for all I know there may be another one since, or indeed several.)

It did cross my mind to offer a certain levity to the situation but I could tell by my wife’s appalled face that that would be inappropriate. One simply doesn’t jest at a time of national emergency such as this.

We must indeed batten down the clichés and, considering the ever deepening seriousness of the matter, I am starting to regret that I ever questioned the vaccination programme. Indeed I feel compelled to leap to the phone and demand – demand! – that they start their injections right now on my household!

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Didn’t Witless say that this new strain would not lead to increased deaths but rather just transmitted faster than the current virus? Bollox, all of it. However, I still have quite a lot of optimisim because I think there will start to be backlash now. I don’t believe half those pro lockdowners are members of the public I think they are 77th or other Government trolls because the message isn’t holding up. Over in these parts I haven’t yet met anyone or spoken to anyone who believes a word of any of it. However, these views are not getting across and they will inevitably be censored if we do try to post.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

Whitty is simply lying. Again. Anyone with a brain knows that an assertion such as this can’t be made on the basis of such flimsy evidence.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

I wish I could share your optimism Jo, we have said “they’ve gone too far this time” before and yet the sheeple masses keep complying, there’s seemingly nothing they won’t take.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

Hopefully, I’ve already started to seem some angry and bewildered posts on social media about this. Many do seem fooled by the ‘new strain’ nonsense though – so blooming obvious, they must be absolutely amazed so many fell for it.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

OK that makes no sense.

They’re locking down London and the South East and cancelling Christmas to contain the variant. Obviously that will work. They said so, and why would they do something so damaging if it wouldn’t?

So why the f is Sturgeon banging on about it up in Scotland?!

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silverbirch
silverbirch
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

17 ‘cases’. What testing is used to determine this? Calchas is right when he says they have been given their orders but are allowed some freeway as to how they get there. Totalitarianism and nothing else

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Because she is a dictator & a wee arsehole. Anything Boris does, el Presidente has to do & usually worse.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago

Does anyone have the document that was going around about the % occupancy of beds in the NHS during the Spring?

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=748_YY0TB6E

it starts with masks and hand sanitiser…

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

It’s all bollox.

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Kev
Kev
4 years ago

I have never felt as angry in my life as I feel right now, I am having some very, very dark thoughts at the moment.

Christmas is a Christian Holiday, it is not in the gift of any government to treat as a privelege that can be granted or denied at their whim.

I only hope we see massive civil disobedience, and I think any Conservatiove MP that does not quit the party now is complicit in this treasonous act, this government has overstepped it’s authority.

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

Quite so.

I lived through Bliar’s regime and came to hate, despise and detest him and what he did to this country, BUT, in comparison with Bozo’s CONservatives, he seems like a cuddly puppy.

I am a pacifist, but I would like to see virtually the entire LibLabCon grouping up against a wall!

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Kev
Kev
4 years ago
Reply to  IanE

I didn’t think anyone could be worse than Blair, how deluded was I? I considered myself as peaceful, until today. Now I just want to hurt people, certain people.

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago
Reply to  IanE

All of them should be on trial. The worst offenders should be sent to the Tower.

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

I can’t disagree with any of that.

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davews
davews
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

Been trying to fight off tears all evening. Regardless of the spread of the virus what Boris and mates has done today is the ultimate insult. Giving shop owners, pubs and other organisations just a few hours that they will be closed for what might be ever. Christmas plans for many well organised taking into account the good faith 5 days of freedom, all now dashed. Countless turkeys going to be uneaten. What difference would it really have made to do it after Christmas. Very puzzled by the massive number of positive tests in the past couple of days, that alone must be suspicious. Like many I have reached the end of my tether, will be missing our Church Zoom service in the morning as don’t think I can stand being there with a lot of lockdown zealots. Not even sure I can bear to be at the Zoom carol service later where we did a joyous choir recording of the best of Christmas, I can’t celebrate Christmas in this climate.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

I will not be attending church this Christmas, for the first time in my life, due to the masks, distancing and ban on singing. I refuse to be part of an organisation that complies unquestioningly with such rules. I think all I can manage is a moment of quiet reflection in the morning, alone.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

In many countries the churches have stood up to tyranny and their members have died defending freedom,but in the UK ? the hierarchy has been compliant from the start and so have most of the followers,shameful.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

all I can manage is a moment of quiet reflection in the morning, alone.

You’ll be closer to God for it.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Probably. I heard a good quote the other day, not sure who said it: ‘Silence is the loudest form of prayer.’

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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

I won’t be going to church either. I am not a scrooge. I can honestly say I have tried to engage with ‘church’.
I was pleased to discover the Irreverend podcast to know other Christians agree.

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Suzyv
Suzyv
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

Quite where exactly have all these positive tests come from suddenly and just a week before Xmas? Bit of a coincidence. Sounds made up to me and frankly even if genuine most will be a false positive. WHO have now blown out the PCR tests as they are currently used. I am sure whatever sinister agenda is going on, it’s just been ramped up a notch.

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

These viruses usually have a ripple in late September and another slightly bigger one about now. It looks like it’s following the pattern, as you would expect.

229E and NL63 are also both on the up in the US according to the Syndromic Trends website.

It is quite amusing watching this play out after they promised to “save Christmas”. Entirely predictable but it will reduce compliance with everything and make Bozo deservedly less popular. These can only be good things.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

The seasonality is fascinating. Surely there’s a lot to be learned from this, for those prepared to look and ask he right questions.

Your last para is spot on.

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HoMojo
HoMojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

A notch? How about a ton?

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

It was inspiring to see orthodox Jews in Brooklyn, New York City burn their face masks in protest.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

People with a faith don’t need superstition.

Dawkins is a disappointment, because he could have shown that atheists who have considered their position don’t need superstition either.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

I think lots of people got tested for peace of mind, thinking that they would be visiting relatives over Christmas. I bet it will all drop away in the next week or so. Then they will proclaim that Tier 4 works, we might be released back into Tier 3 but no further relaxation.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

Not really just a ‘Christian’ holiday – Christians just commandeered it.

But that’s beside the point – it is a general holiday, however you regard it, and should beyond the reach of self-regarding liars and fakes.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/johnsons-scaremonger-scientists-should-be-struck-off/

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Well worth reading.

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

They should be hanged

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

and people say he’s just a big orange-faced idiot…

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1340377186847625218

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IanE
IanE
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Only the Lefty twats who don’t use their brains!

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  IanE

… or, rather, those who know his history and record, and have done from the start – as opposed to the righty twats with their heads up his corrupt arse.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Starmer is Johnson’s most useful butt plug, and has been all through Covid. This isn’t really a left/right thing.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

All this left/right nonsense is not getting us anywhere……both are evil at the moment.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  IanE

There’s no Left or Right, anymore. That’s a dead concept. Now there’s only Truth and Lies. Both Left and Right politicians are mostly on the side of Lies.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Mr Dee, you are right, oh so right. Now, where did the Monster Raving Loony Party go to? I’d vote for them!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich -

We already have them

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Yes – or freedom vs control

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Kev
Kev
4 years ago

Yesterday I was in tier 2, today I woke up in tier 3, tomorrow I’ll be in tier 4, what the fuck is happening?

I hate Boris and his government with every fibre of my being, and Labour equally.

I would like to formally apologise to everyone on here, I voted for the bastard, a mistake I will not make again.

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Maverick
Maverick
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

I voted for him too, to my eternal shame. I’m sorry.

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kenadams
kenadams
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

I also voted for him. I’d like to take this opportunity to apologise to everyone.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  kenadams

Well – while we are all fessing up . . .

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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

Me too. I was conned.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

Join the club. I am struggling to explain what has happened since last December.

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

Greater joy in heaven over a sinner that repenteth etc

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

You have the same tierage progression as me. Sympathies.

I most definitely didn’t vote for him, but I honestly think all three parties would have done exactly the same if not worse, so I wouldn’t worry about apologising.

Last edited 4 years ago by A. Contrarian
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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

You are undoubtedly correct so lets all stop the left v right nonsense…they all need hanging.

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  Kev

Well while we are in confession, I too hang my head in shame. Won’t be making that mistake again.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago

Santa and his elves just drove round, collecting for charity. I was the only one on our road to go out and give them money and wish them a merry Christmas.

Elves were in masks.

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Hello Mr Dee – sorry if I get this wrong, but did you say once that you lived quite near me in the Pencader area? Just wondering about a local meet up with West Wales sceptics at some point.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

No, I’m up in the north-east – Wrexham/Chirk/Ceiriog Valley area.

No reason we can’t all meet up though – 2.5 hour drive. Dim problem!

Meeting with a local fellow Lockdown Sceptic on Monday, which will be good.

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Er … that sounds like a very long drive to me! I wonder how best we can get Wales sceptics together. Maybe we’ll need to use the forum …

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

I like driving. If we lived in the Australian Outback, two and half hours would be a short hop to the shops.

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Kath Andrews
Kath Andrews
4 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

Would be great to meet up with fellow sceptics, I’m in Cardiff.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

I’m in, anywhere in west Wales.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Same here.

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Gave money to a street guy yesterday, he said I was the first to do so that day. I think lockdown has made people very paranoid. Sad

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago

I wish the MSM would stop proclaiming that “Christmas is cancelled”. It hasn’t been. It’s just been made bloody difficult and far less enjoyable, by the bastards.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Sshhh…. it doesn’t affect us, remember?

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

sadly the red lines would have to be cancelling the Christmas day edition of Strictly Come Dancing or ban the sales of Baileys

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

A lot of anger here in Wales about the cancellation of Christmas. Full lockdown from midnight tonight. Lots of people waiting to be paid before getting Christmas shopping next week can’t buy presents. Restaurants stocked up on food won’t be able to sell it. Comments on the Welsh Govt Facebook page about 90% hostile..

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Great news for Bezos

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Let’s hope the 90% hostile comments translate into 90% non-compliance.

A relative of mine works for NHS Wales. Winter pressures on beds are no different in their hospital this year than any other year, from their experience.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Same here in Pembs.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I hope so too. Maybe the govt thought given the Muslims meekly rolled over for Eid and the Hindus over Diwali maybe it would be the same for all of us re Christmas

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

This is good news .
Our best hope is the shysters over play their hand and lose control.
When people get short of money , short of hope and angry that’s when the revolt will pick up momentum and it could come at a frightening pace

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

It won’t frighten mr, I’ll be in the front rank.
Just now I could smash things, inckuding faces. Easily. I know how berserkers must feel as they go into battle.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Too right !

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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

Let’s hope so!

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago

Our government always seemed benign, what the hell happened

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

So you didn’t notice its foreign policy them? They’ve just turned on us…

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

How true.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago

Does anyone know what the Police aircraft reg no. G-POLW is used for ?,from a an aircraft tracking website I see it has been circling Hemsworth,Sheffield and then Spalding in Lincolnshire tonight and is presently heading towards Hull.I don’t trust the bastards in the police and there is no telling what is going on now.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

It’s used for surveillance. They have 4 of them based at Doncaster Sheffield.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

These things are low cost twin piston engine instrument/night flying training aircraft I think.
https://wearedoncaster.co.uk/news/four-vulcanair-p68rs-are-on-the-beat-for-npas-from-doncaster/

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

They’re all fitted out with the Wescam MX-15 camera systems which are north of £1m per pop. They’re undoubtedly used for some training, but that’s not their primary role. Given that they’re twins, any pilot who has a MEP rating will likely already have a CPL with night.

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Poppy
Poppy
4 years ago

Have been so furious tonight that I haven’t been able to concentrate on anything else. I am a big advocate of just trying to get on with life as best as one can but tonight, I feel physically sick. Just had to console my bf – we were meant to be seeing his parents for xmas but they are now wavering as a result of new restrictions and he is very upset about the possibility of not being able to see them. If we had it our way we would just stick to the original plan. I guess this is what the government want – to split families and turn them against each other. But what can you do when you can’t convince them?

Of course I’ve been fighting against restrictions since March and this entire situation has been deeply distressing for months anyway, but tonight feels different. Maybe it was seeing my bf so sad and upset – he is normally so optimistic and upbeat, even in terrible times like these, but knowing that the government had done that to someone I care about… they can do whatever the f they like to me, but mess with someone I love, my God…

It all just feels so rotten and bitter. Christmas was our only vestige of something to look forward to after a year of being treated so dreadfully, and they even take that away from us. There is no sense of unity as there was in March. Back then there was the hope that this would be over in a matter of weeks. The populace is exhausted and the government is dividing us and pitting us against one another. Giving us little scraps of hope, and then snatching them away at the last second. That’s how you mentally break someone.

The amount of U-turns this revolting government has done shows that it clearly wants to get back to some normality but it has no backbone in the face of screaming hysterical fear from scientific advisors on £200k a year who don’t care that the populace is being crushed to dust.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070749/People-vow-enjoy-five-days-Christmas-festive-bubble-cancelled-millions.html

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

It is a new low even for this and I can only see things getting worse without major disobedience. Next year is probably going to be my last.

I hope you can still enjoy your Christmas Poppy.

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Don’t you dare, DRW – you’re one of the good guys/gals, we need you.

Without an ounce of condescension, if you can’t get anyone else to understand where you’re coming from, drop me a PM.

Without these BTL dialogues, I’d have probably packed the wife and kids in the car and kept the garage door shut.

You’re not alone and there’s so much more to fight for.

I’m begging you and I’ve never even met you. How’s that for humanity. Fuck ’em all.

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Poppy
Poppy
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Please stay with us. I love reading your comments, you are definitely one of my favourite contributors on here.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

You are one amongst many on here who I look forward to meeting when this shit show is over – disappoint me at your peril 🙂
Please dont say things like that – we need to stick together eh?

Last edited 4 years ago by CGL
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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

With you all the way, Poppy. Crying with mingled rage and misery. The bastards, the lying, treacherous scum.
Cling to hope, that we’ll see them all hanged.
DON’T BE BROKEN. DON’T. STAND FIRM.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Johnson Wancock and Gove don’t have to follow their advice especially as they know it is based on falsified data, chronically falsified modelling and on lies. But it suits them to use it because of their own fanatical objectives and their craven lust of the power they now have.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

The government has no intention of getting back to some normality.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

Surely it’s the end for the pig dictator?

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Should be. But who would replace him? Sunak? Patel? Hancock!? All have been complicit in this nightmare.

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Les Tricoteuses
Les Tricoteuses
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

They all must go, preferably to a court.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

Tower Hill, non-stop, direct.

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Jez Hewitt
Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

Sounds like a dodgy law firm.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

Liz Truss has made her pitch. Might be a decent long shot. Sunak has missed his chance – he is in too deep. IDS perhaps as a caretaker to get through the next 6-9 months of Brexit and relaxation of all restrictions plus emergency budget?

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Liz Truss looks naughty.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Wouldn’t trust Liz Truss as far as I could throw her.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Javid?

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall

The mask exempt cv marshal – ha! Memories! Your name has instantly taken me back to morning one day one of masks in shops. Out fact finding on the high street. Into some random chain shop. Maskless girl at make shift desk on door – now known as door goon. Have you got your mask? She asked and stood in my way. Have you got you mask? I replied. She was exempt. So was I. She let me pass but as only fact finding only I turned and left. Memories!

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Lol, so mask exempt Covid Marshalls are a thing, then hahaha

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Him personally maybe but I’m not holding out much hope for anyone else.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Who will bring about that end? The CRG are pathetic and will all swallow the mutant strain guff, with a few honourable exceptions.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Charlie I don’t agree with you. This will propel the CRG to vote against it even more strongly because they will as they have done before, look at all of the evidence and know there isn’t any. They are the only hope we’ve got. I just hope the majority of backbenchers join them. They are a good bunch and are concerned about our liberties and rights.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

Mark Harper will beg to differ https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1340300129199374336?s=20
This week the CRG have been wearing their ERG hats. Now they have found out why Boris extended the Brexit talks instead of walking away last Sunday. Parliament now in recess.

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago

I didn’t listen to the fuhrer’s announcement but listened to this guy Dan Gregory Austin who gave details and podcast in fb
https://www.facebook.com/danjgregory/posts/10158969776397402

It seems this new strain has only been identified in 1108 people – yes only 1108 cases found! Doesn’t seem justification for imprisoning millions in SE.

Here is copy of transcript on the link above and he is careful to state only facts from the government

Now, here is what the Government and the BBC have FAILED to mention:
• There have been over 4000 mutations in the virus since the beginning of the year, over 3000 of them are documented here: https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global
• Mutations that make viruses more infectious don’t necessarily make them more dangerous
• A number of variants have already been detected in the UK. For example, the D614G variant is believed to have increased the ability of the virus to be transmitted and is now the most common type circulating in the UK, although it doesn’t seem to result in more severe disease.
• The new strain referenced in today’s broadcast was discovered in late SEPTEMBER.
• Since late September just 1108 cases of this new strain have been detected across 60 areas in the U.K.
Source – https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857
• For context over 1,558,622 positive cases have been detected in TOTAL since 25.9.2020 across the U.K, the new strain therefore represents just 0.07% of all new cases.
– If this new strain transmits so fast how is it only responsible for 0.07% of all cases in the past 85 days?

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Sue

The last question was a sitter for one of the journos at the press conference. Did anyone ask – no, thought not!

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

In light of the Christmas attack by the rulers it is stating the bleeding obvious there has been a shift in atmosphere and we are all feeling this news in our gut. If you know someone on either side of the mask who lives alone or was having troubles before this news try to make the time and chat to them in the next day or so. Turn this negativity into something positive. As bleak as this is for us there are still many who are suffering without a friend to talk to. Being a pal now can make a huge difference.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Yes, I’ve got a stack of Christmas cards for my neighbourhood, into which I’ve just moved. As well as Christmas greetings, I’m leaving my neighbours (30-odd households in total) my e-mail and phone number in case they want a chat or help to cope during this Winter lockdown.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

This is a good opportunity to turn people from compliant to resistant.
Regardless of the existence of the “virus “ people are beginning to see the actions as being totally disproportionate.
If Skeptics use this to sow doubt of govt competence it could be an important stage in decoupling the health issue from the civil liberties issue

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AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

You’re a better man than me (well I’m a woman!) but I actually want people on the wrong side of the mask to suffer. Some of them frankly deserve to and secondly until people do suffer they won’t open their eyes.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

now then, i know most people here are old enough to remember this:-

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1500124311

could the lockdowns be the modern equivalent? i do hope not…

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

jesus – i’ve just re-read that! oh how we laughed, and laughed, and laughed!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

I was primary school age at this time and remember feeling too frightened to think about it – much like I think most people are feeling today. But the phrase ‘stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye’ would have been more useful im that particular scenario wouldn’t it.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

yes, a good trick if you can do it!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

I wish! Maybe some years ago

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

We lived with the possibility that we could be annihilated instantly at any time but we didn’t live in fear all the time like most of the cowards today,yes it was a worry but we usually just shrugged it off,if it happens it happens,no reason not to live until then.The threat of nuclear war was very real and the passage of time has shown that several times we came very close to it without realising,the real threat to us today is the government not the so-called virus.

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HoMojo
HoMojo
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

No, because the modern lockdowns are about destroying your spirit and have fuck all in common with inept instructions about how to survive a nuclear attack. This is worse because a nuclear attack didn’t happen and this, designed to destroy you, is happening now.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  HoMojo

i’m guessing you’re not old enough to remember the 80’s – oh and by the way, have you been paying attention to what’s going on in the usa right about now?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Ah yes … I remember eet well.

The main difference is that there was a credible man-made threat, rather than a natural, fairly ordinary event.

… the similarity is that the proposed ‘protections’ were equally useless.

The other difference is that the rhetoric got the piss taken out of it in a pretty widespread fashion. The MSM was less compliant, and there was ‘Beyond the Fringe’ – and even the Beeb produced TW3. I may be being starry-eyed, but I don’t think that the current monolithic propaganda would have happened (and ironically, there were only two – later three – television channels). So much for ‘diversity’.

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Colin
Colin
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

I remember that, and I remember being coerced as a student in the 80s into going to watch some decrepit 50s information movie showing us how to hide under a table to survive a nuclear attack. Peer pressure from misguided ban the bomb fascists.
All this feels the same….

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago

I have arranged to meet a few Mums and kids at soft play on Monday morning before lockdown commences here in N Ireland on 26th. Just had a message from one Mum in a whattsapp group saying she wont come with her two kids because ‘this is all getting serious again, lets just stick to playparks’.
Dont even know how to respond.
Fear is being driven big time. How does one curtail that.
I shall and will still be going on Monday morning, regardless.

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

I’m having to cancel Christmas Day because of wobbly-chinned relatives. It’s hard not to feel contempt but they are victims of a 9 month brainwashing campaign. If we want these people to be deprogrammed the first step is to get them to stop watching the news.

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

This girl is more programmed by her Mother who is a brainwashed BBC person….she said her Mother would go mad if she knew what she was doing….as they are in a bubble.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

Fuck bubbles.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Ooh – not heard of those ones?

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

I have two alternatives: tell my sister what I think and lose her for ever, or choke down my fury and go along with it. Really don’t know which is less worse.
She isn’t even a full-on zombie. She just won’t break any tiny rule, however arbitrary, however transparently cretinous.
She used to work for the Beeb. It must have planted a slow-acting poison in her brain.

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

So difficult for you Annie x

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Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
Lisa (formerly) from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I think we all need to draw our own line in the sand. I’ve decided if you cross one of these lines you’re out of my life: if you think I should be forced vaccinated, if you think I shouldn’t be forced but believe it’s perfectly OK to curtail my life as punishment, or if you think the “new normal” is fine and we should keep it up forever. Behaviour-wise, if you can’t be normal around me I don’t want you anywhere near me. I won’t mask for you or sanitize for you. I’ve been with people who behave normally but don’t necessarily agree with me on much of this, but I’ve decided I can live with that. We have enough to talk about without getting into Covid arguments and it’s still nice to socialize. If I only saw or talked to people who agree with me on everything my circle would become even smaller…and it might as this insanity continues.

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merlin
merlin
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

…maybe a reminder that it would have been blind adherence to all the rules that would have had people like her telling Rosa Parks to get off the fucking bus, or telling the friendly “men in snappy uniforms” that the Walowitzes were hiding in the crawl-space…

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

She must break some rules sometimes surely…..has she never driven at 71mph? Some people are so craven and obsessively law abiding. I feel no need to obey a fascist dictator.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

No chance of that the buggers are addicted to it!

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

Don’t say anything just treat her with absolute contempt. If she can’t be bothered to look at proper facts and data let her do as she wishes. You keep going you might be pleasantly surpirsed others like you have also had the same view.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

Tell her to fuck off and she keep keep her paranoia..

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

Anyone had the lockdownista arguement for more lockdown more mask wearing more social distancing? Even at street level -believe everything & watch the bbc – it is clear that after months of compliance these measures are not effective.

There is nobody old or young around me who believes any of these measures have an effect. People of the mask and people free smiling all have in common that lockdowns are worthless.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

My impression is that most people don’t believe in the narrative.

They rae going along to get along, or because of conformity pressures, or because the yfear fines.

Once the tide turns, and it will, then the narrative will collapse quickly.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Snowball to avalanche in no time. I believe the risk of a convesation round a dinner table between households has ‘them’ frightened. Got to keep people from comparing notes. Same thoughts for pubs and socialising.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Kill a mask wearers!

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I believe the reason the government is making a big noise about this new covid-19 and introducing tier 4 is because they’ve sensed that the people are waking up to the fact lockdown doesn’t work. If it did the rate of covid-19 infections would be going down nationally not staying the same. In the spring after lockdown the rate came down and people thought we did that not realising that correlation are not causations. The fact is that covid-19 is a seasonal virus and nothing us humans can change to any large affect. Correlations occur all the time the best one I know is the fact where children don’t wear shoes in countries where malaria occurs you get a high rate of infections and deaths from malaria. There’s no link, lack of shoes is a sign of poverty and poor people are more likely to be a victim of malaria. I believe lockdown is doing nothing but prolonging the pandemic and people are waking up to this fact. Lastly if face masks are so effective why does my glasses fog up when I breath out ?

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago

Just come back from the west end demo, very very despondent! Met up with so many like minded people on Oxford street. But by the time we reach Tottenham Court Road it became fragmented, mainly due to police breaking and splitting us up. A few of us ended up by Tralfaga square then Covent Garden, looks like police were waiting on all approaches, but we were 7 by then so slipped through, did our best and made at scene during a baskers show, calls to take face masks off were greeted with dismay, with one group wishing we caught Covid. On our way home buying some food the takeway place told us of tier 4. The rest of the journey home was very solemn. Things to note:-
Mask wearing was in our eyes 90% outdoors.
The West End should’ve been heaving but resembled a wet Tuesday morning in February. (Financial reset must be very close now)

The only time these people will realise this isn’t about the virus anymore it’ll be too late. At least I know I’m being led to the gas chamber (Metaphorically speaking).

We are all (excuse the french) Fucked, with a capital F. Time to be selfish and look after yourselves, for nobody else will look after you.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

I sense the tide is turning actually…

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Me too.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Scorpio.

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HoMojo
HoMojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

I wouldn’t be so sure about the gas chamber being a metaphor.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

My opinion is that this is all being done in preparation for that financial reset – not that nonsense from the WEF.

Ernst Wolff has it right.

Once that happens, a flash of understanding goes through the population.

I am optimistic.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Me too.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

“A friend in Georgia called to let me know a junior high school student who attends the same school as her 13-year-old son tried to kill herself the other day. She was found hanging from a cord she’d wound over the shower head in her parents’ home. She was despondent over being denied her life – and so decided to take it.

The good news is she was discovered in time and is still alive.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/eric-peters/a-case-you-probably-didnt-read-about/

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I hope she will realise it is good news. I can understand what drove her to it.

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Lainey
Lainey
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Not sure it’s good news. I think many of us will choose that way out than the perpetual Gulag that awaits us thanks to Sheeple.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

And that is Georgia, which is, as far as I know, relatively open.

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

I sense a shift.. I think Boris is done.

Last edited 4 years ago by chaos
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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Any evidence? I really really really need some sort of glimmer of hope at the moment, however minuscule…

Last edited 4 years ago by A. Contrarian
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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

Even if he is, wouldn’t he just be replaced by some other brain dead muppet?

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago
Reply to  chaos

What do you mean?

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kenadams
kenadams
4 years ago

When is the next demo in London? I’m going to join. The first time I’ve ever protested about anything.##I am somewhere beyond apoplectically angry right now.

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago
Reply to  kenadams

me too Ken, next time there is one near me, I will be there

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  kenadams

31st December 9pm to 5am 1st January, Central London. Exact venue to be announced on social media one hour before it starts (c.8pm). This is thanks to the heavy-handed police reaction to the protest at King’s Cross.

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Is this a StandUpX thing? Will try and keep updated though I’m weary of travelling to London at night especially on my own. Will definitely be protesting when I’m back in York though.

Last edited 4 years ago by nocheesegromit
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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  kenadams

i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again – centralised protests are a mug’s game. too easy for TSG to control/corrupt. far better for everyone, everywhere, every day just to refuse to follow the rules – that simply cannot be policed!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  kenadams

Agreed- have never protested about anything in my life – but this . . .

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  kenadams

Kill a pig!

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quodcumque
quodcumque
4 years ago

The tone of the comments here seems angrier than at any time in the past. I hope it translates into some proper resistance and more generalised scepticism. Nothing is going to stop me spending Christmas as I choose. Midnight Mass with about fifty other people (thankfully there’s not a single mask in sight at this church, or any of the ridiculous yellow tape.). Followed by a visit to friends in London.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  quodcumque

What church made in heaven is that? In our Tenby Temple of Covid Worship there’s nothing visible except face nappies and yellow tape.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I can’t imagine st David’s is any better. I would still rather be in Pembrokeshire than here. You have some of the most beautiful beaches in the country on your doorstep to walk on. Shhh – don’t tell anyone though – it will spoil it!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Was in St David’s today. The cathedral was open for private orayer, so ling as you were nappied and smothered in hand gunk.
I expect that’s over now.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Yes, I wish you could tell us, quodcumque. I have been thinking I might start attending a church if I could find one that didn’t have masks: I would understand that as an affirmation of a moral law superior to the corrupted national law.

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quodcumque
quodcumque
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Yes, the insistence that we have to affirm allegiance to covid orthodoxy to be allowed to worship is especially horrible.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  Alethea

Please get in touch by private message on this site or fill in the form at http://www.eroumen.co.uk. This might all come to nothing but let’s try.
I infer that your name name comes from ἀλήθεια is that right?

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quodcumque
quodcumque
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I would love to be able to say publicly here. But I fear I would not be thanked. Last week the priest said in his sermon that the lack of courage and equanimity being shown by most people is very un-Christian. We are fortunate here.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  quodcumque

He must be about the only man of God with a heart, brain and guts in the entire country.

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago

Whitty can get stuffed. I’m travelling out of Tier 4 to stay with family for Christmas.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Castro

Me too I think, worried about the journey etc but will just be in a terrible place if I don’t go (a sort of mental Tier 4, if you like).

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

If I get stopped, I’ll just try and find a back route.

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Scouse Sceptic
Scouse Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Castro

Good man, enjoy.

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Castro

That’s the spirit!

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago

Has anyone suggested that we start clapping the NHS again? Could be the troll of all trolls…

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

strangely there is no mention of the NHS clap!

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

i’d join in an “NHS crap” – every thursday night on the front step with a bucket and some bog roll

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

no manners, but what a critic!

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago

Didn’t Boris say before it would be inhuman to cancel Christmas? Well at least we’ve had confirmation from the man himself (as if we needed it) that he is not human.

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

He’s lending more and more credence to David Icke’s absurd fantasies.
So are most others.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

David Icke speaks a lot of truth.Its just mixed in with a lot of nonsense.

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Janice21
Janice21
4 years ago

Guys and gals, this evenings posts are genuinely heartbreaking to read…..I am at a loss now on everything. Wish I could hug each and every one of you xoxoxox

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

Big hugs to you too xxx

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kenadams
kenadams
4 years ago
Reply to  Janice21

I know this is an inadequate substitute, but virtual hugs from me. x

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago

When we rant and rail against Drakeford, our real target should be the puppet-master Starmer. Drakeford’s just doing what Starmer demands, like a good little boy.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Dungford does what his true master demands. His true master is Satan.

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

So who is pulling Starmer’s strings then?

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

trilateral commission of course!

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Your comment led me to this article:

https://labourheartlands.com/sir-keir-starmer-the-establishment-candidate-the-labour-leadership-race-and-the-trilateral-commission/

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

jolly good! the more people know about that the better!

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

“Any doubt on the question of TC goals is answered by David Rockefeller himself, the founder of the TC, in his Memoirs (2003): “Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.””

Starmer is a member of the TC. Page 6, 3rd name down.

http://trilateral.org/download/files/membership/EU%20LIST%204_18(3).pdf

David Miliband too, I notice.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Heads they win tails we lose.

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

First thought: Everyone should have wised up to the corona con at least as far back as when they switched from death count to case count.

Second thought: Maybe they all did wise up and it didn’t matter anyway. The media just carries on regardless and always will.

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Les Tricoteuses
Les Tricoteuses
4 years ago

Only 371 sleeps till Christmas everyone.

And then only if enough people WAKE UP.

sorry, but beyond anger now.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Les Tricoteuses

Me too, and many others I believe

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago

This isn’t government, it’s gangsterism. The data speak clearly to the fact that there is no significant excess mortality or at all, hospitals are either where they are each year or less so, the ‘new strain’ is a canard (Karol Sikora), and the survival rate is 99.9% plus. Any proper debate has been stifled. Do these corrupt hubristic halfwits really imagine that digging a deeper hole will save them?

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

It’s worked so far, to be fair to them.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Don’t know about fair, looks pretty dark to me.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Call me old fashioned but wouldn’t you expect deaths to be going the other way if we were really facing armageddon?

191220 Deaths.jpg
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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Crikey, what an odd notion, you aren’t one of those who believes it rains downwards are you? That really is old fashioned!

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Where could I find a chart like that for Wales so I can try to convince my sweet but gullible friends? (All of whom have cancelled my Christmas visits with them)

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

I’ve just posted it above.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

love your work – many thanks. but as simon dolan so often says, “this isn’t about a virus”. it really, really isn’t.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Facts are so yesterday. You should be modelling and inventing nonsensical narratives.

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Well, anyone who is sane would expect so but, hey, look at the morons in charge of all of this. If they had one brain cell between them they would be extremely dangerous.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

It’s not about deaths any more of course, it’s about cases, the s*dding NHS and now, new variants.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago

You all know how I feel about this but just had to console my 6 year old daughter as she was sobbing about not being able to see any of her family over the holidays and the cancellation of her ice skating on the 27th. The damage has been done ,our children will be damaged for life..I sat in the living room with the look..My wife says it’s the same look I had when I came back from Afghanistan, the ”I don’t want yo live look’x. If I had a gun,I would top myself tonight. This is a never ending nightmare, we are never getting out, nobody is fighting this. .I just take it anymore, not one day more.. I have no fight left,I want to be with my friends again that I left in Helmand..

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Keep going. We are fighting this. People are noticeably more pissed off than I’ve seen before, they are over playing their hand here.

Tonight my daughter is having an illegal sleepover (what a bizarre 2020 phrase) with her little friend.

His Mum (of the friend) went full blown sceptic tonight when she dropped him off and was questioning the point of testing and saying that Covid is not the deadly disease it has been made out to be.

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Scouse Sceptic
Scouse Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Don’t let the bastards grind you down Thomas. You clearly have a family who love you very much, stay strong for them.
Your daughter will bring you many many years of happiness, joy and memories.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Oh, the poor little girl.
Poor you.
Poor all of us.
Hug her and live for her sake.

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Tangelo
Tangelo
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Thomas she needs you alive mate. I do know how you feel as I’ve got a 9 year old daughter. You’ve been through more than I have as a military man so you must have a little bit of strength left.

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TC
TC
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

So sorry to hear this from you.
Stay strong though and do not let these useless idiots grind you down.
Remember it in a positive way:never forget and never forgive for what they are doing to you,your family and others is unforgiveable.
If you ‘re in touch with some of your old comrades talk to them – seek support – if you were on active service you would be looking for air support/cover; maybe think of this as a similar need?
Good luck.
You are not alone.

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Gavroche
Gavroche
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Stay strong, Thomas. You are so much better than the people who are engineering this shambles. You have done more for this country than they ever will. We will prevail and when we do, we want you to be around to share our victory.

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richmond
richmond
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

We don’t know how this is going to turn out. They’ve got a plan all right, but look at the people they’ve got to carry it out. I mean, look at them. You want to give in to that fat idiot? And Hancock? You want to give in to that? Seriously?

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Don’t give up Thomas. You need to be there to tell your daughter the truth and not some rewrite of history that would make her think you were one of the people in the wrong.

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John K
John K
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Thomas, please do not give up, your family need you, we need you on here as well. I have an 8yr old boy and fear for the world he will grow up, but as angry as I am tonight I will not let Bozo, Whitless, Unbalanced, Wankcock, Turduson, SStarmer and all the other fuckwits get me down. Never give up. Don’t get angry get even, their time will come. We outnumber them. WE OUTNUMBER THEM.

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The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

If you give in, you let those bastards win. And that would be tragic, given how cowardly, pathetic and inadequate they are.

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Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Children are remarkably resilient. Your daughter will have other Christmas holidays and ice skating outings to look forward to but you’re her daddy and you are irreplaceable.

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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

Children are very resilient, and I’m a living proof: I’m a child of the Soviet regime in the former Eastern Block. I’m 65 now, in reasonably good mental and emotional health.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

Amen to that. Our kids need us more than ever to guide them through this, and we will get them through this. Don’t give up.

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Biker
Biker
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

You can’t win the revolution, you can only endure. No one knows what’s going to go down but I tell you this, a solider who makes it back lives to fight another day.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Your daughter needs you. She needs you to reorganise that ice skating as soon as it can happen, and to help her through all those things daughters need their dads for – to be around, so she knows you are on her side and by her side, always. I wish my dad was here now – and I’m 52. Keep going for her – please? Little girls always need their dad even when they’re not little anymore.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Please keep going, your family need you. It may seem as if it is to be never-ending, but none of us can predict the future. Eventually, all tyrants fall and it will be the same with this lot – they will overplay their hand and their world will come crashing down. I’m not saying it will be soon, but I do believe it will happen. It could be like a parachute jump – a long slide where nothing seems to change until suddenly, the ground rushes towards us very quickly.

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Lord Sid
Lord Sid
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Thomas stay strong.I too felt the same as you do.Then I thought about what effect it would have on my daughter and my two grandchildren.Your family needs you.Please be strong for them.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

We will need men like you for the fight ahead,this time in defence of our countries true intrests..Dont give up

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

‘ Case’ rates. Pretty thin stuff!

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Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells
Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells
4 years ago

Working tonight in a literally abandoned Care Home 70% covid + not one symptomatican. CASE CLOSED!

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Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells
Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells
4 years ago
Reply to  Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells

Symptomatic!

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells

Asymptomatic illness is the biggest con ever devised.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
4 years ago
Reply to  Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells

Very strange especially as care home residents are the very ones who would display the most severe symptoms.

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Someone wanted deaths in Wales……

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

That was me – thanks very much Nick. This is going to come in very useful. I’ve been keeping fairly quiet about my (informed) views so as not to get into arguments with (uninformed) friends, but the egregiousness of the situation here in Wales is emboldening me to nail my colours to the mast. And if I lose my current friendship circle, then no matter – I’m sure I will find a new one of more awakened souls.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

If you go to the link; https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths click on ‘deaths’ then click the countries you don’t want they disappear & you’re left with Wales. Same on the other data sets, just click ‘Nation’ & you can isolate Wales. It’s all hidden in plain sight.

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Thank you, Nick. Sounds like even I could handle this! 🙂

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

I’ll be your friend. It’s time for the few remaining human beings in Wales to get together.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I think that’s Drakeford, you’re talking about. He wants deaths in Wales.

The graph for all-cause mortality in Wales on Euromomo (showing the Z-scores) has been puzzling me. It’s back to normal now, but on week 44 (end of October) there’s a massive spike, higher than the spike in the spring.

What’s the cause of this? From what you’ve shown us, it’s not caused by Covid-deaths. Can anyone illuminate?

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Here’s the Euromomo graph.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Yes, it’s back filling. They found 11,000 positive test results down the back of the sofa. Quite a few were attributed to some of the, relatively few, people who died that week, thus an apparent spike.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Thanks. That’s been bugging me. Unbelievable! I wonder whether Euromomo will eventually rectify this?

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Dungford loves death. And fear. And Covid.
They all bring more power into the wrinkled claws of this venomous jumped-up pseudo-stalinist nonentity,

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

just the welsh government

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BJJ
BJJ
4 years ago

Reminds me of the Disco Era: terrible music, terrible clothes, nowhere to talk… But it faded away in the end. This terrible House of Cards built on lies and weak characters and dishonesty will never prevail. The people who run this shitshow are exceptionally devoid of charm, they are nerds, made of tree and have cold hearts, whereas we are humanity, with warm hearts (except for Biker, who´s heart is boiling). Of course we will win. Our adversaries are complete and utter idiots. Their green agenda, their Resets, their Decade of Health, their plans for Our Future will of course fail, as historically they have always failed. As Voltaire said (slightly paraphrased) in the end it is always about growing potatoes in your own back yard. The silly people who think they control the universe are now afraid and that is the time when criminals make mistakes. So let us just lean back and enjoy the show. It has certainly got less time than the Disco Era.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

I loved the disco era, but yes I agree, this won’t last as long.

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Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

I really want to believe that but so many people are accepting every new restriction unquestioningly, almost avidly. That’s what I find so depressing.

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

That’s what I find depressing also, the amount of sheep just blindly following every single bit of nonsense spewed out by the governments.
I expect that people will start jumping out of your way again when out for a walk etc, like they did back in March.

Absolute arseholes.

Fuck you all!! you toffee nosed wankers, Boris, Sturgeon, Drakeford, Wankcock.
I hope that your time will come.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

That will be their downfall. You can only sustain this for so long until the very fabric of society and economy rips to pieces.

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

I agree. I think it will end with a slow fade rather than a sudden stop. But the liberties taken from us won’t be given back and will be held in perpetuity to be used against us as and when required.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

We’ll get the liberties back.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Like we did after the War on Terror?

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

Thanks for those words of comfort. I like the Voltaire quote. Working in the garden is one of the few things they haven’t been able to take from us!

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  BJJ

I loved the disco era

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-a-support-bubble-with-another-household#childcare-bubble

Bubbledegook

A support bubble is different to a childcare bubble and a Christmas bubble. Being in a support bubble does not stop you from forming a childcare bubble or a Christmas bubble.



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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

They can blow their bubbles up their own arses as far as I’m concerned.

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

The only bubbles I’m interested in are in my fizzy drink

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

I can see why the Mick’s are so worried……..?

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Jo Dominich -
Jo Dominich -
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Nick I love your graphs and analysis. They tell the true story.

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6PbgcnLgnU roadblocks in London??

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

now that is really really not about a virus is it…

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Incredible incompetence.

🙂

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

or maybe it’s just preparation/cover for a huge round of arrests of london based ex pats who have been involved in the usa election fraud/cyber attack?

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

https://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-fresh-restrictions-for-london-417986

“Our fight against the virus is not over. The rules are very clear and our collective actions in the next two weeks will have a direct impact on how quickly our city will recover. If people ignore these new rules, make reckless decisions that risk lives, I make no apology for the subsequent enforcement action that will follow.”

I have no words for these people. Just an immense rage.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Replace “the virus” with “humanity” to interpret this statement accurately.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Are they brazen liars or do they really believe this is about a virus? If the latter, they must be absolute troglodytes

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

OK, so let’s look at the Euromomo https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps graphs. Excess deaths in Wales & NI well below normal, England & Scotland in normal range. What is going on?

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

We’re being screwed over on a global scale. Seems pretty clear to me.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

“They” are careful not to mention deaths in the propaganda.
All the hype is about cases, asymptomatic spreading and overwhelmed hospitals.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago

Reactions are always best cold:

https://twitter.com/DavidRebel20/status/1340401783701696513

@BorisJohnon

@MarkDrakeford

When you began lockdown, you had almost universal support. When you brought in masks, people began to waver, though most complied. Lockdown #2 brought increased anger, many went along with it, many others did not.

But Christmas is for families and children’s joy; you have robbed them of even this small pleasure in life. The anger you have provoked today, and will further provoke tomorrow, will bring your houses of cards crashing.

Your disgusting evil knows no bounds. I doubt very much that either of you will enjoy your sadistic pleasures for much longer. The country stirs, your nemesis approaches.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

“When you began lockdown, you had almost universal support.”

And that right there was the massive defeat from which we are still reeling.

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Quite

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Not in my name.

I hated this from the start, and I am not alone. At my place of work there were several of us whose finger nails were (figuratively – and literally the doors were locked) left in our desks in March. Support was never as great as we have been told. It was definitely not ‘almost universal.’

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

…. sorry hadn’t updates Euromomo charts since yesterday. The Welsh deaths have been distorted by the 11,000 ‘lost’ positive test results they suddenly found & appear to have overnight attributed a load of deaths too. Complete bollox.

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

What dates are they saying these newly found positive test results refer to?

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MadJock1
MadJock1
4 years ago

Everyone is understandably angry and largely downbeat this evening. I am certainly very very angry but, perhaps strangely, not as depressed as I have been at times. I think it is now the absolute clarity that this madness will not end on its own and to survive we must resist in what ever practical ways we can.

To everyone who is feeling down I say try to find strength anywhere you can – and believe me I know how difficult that is. I find it on deserted beaches where I stare out at the sea and sky and remind myself that I am looking at freedom. Nothing short of a bullet will stop me doing that.

I’ve attached a little piece of freedom from today. I hope it may help.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  MadJock1

I do the same, and your picture is wonderful. But just now I’m seeing even that through a red mist.

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MadJock1
MadJock1
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

I see no problem with that Annie !

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Monty Bodkin
Monty Bodkin
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

In an abstract, dispassionate, way, I can half believe that our PM and his advisers have taken a step too far, that this will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back and will cause major civil unrest leading to an end to this madness. Speaking personally though, my parents (both in their mid-eighties and my mum with dementia) will, as of this evening, have to spend Christmas on their own, with no presents, company or Christmas dinner. Hmm. I am very upset and beyond angry.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  MadJock1

Thanks. Lovely post and lovely picture

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  MadJock1

Great post and lovely view thank you.

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davews
davews
4 years ago

Just down the road from us in the woods is Lapland UK, a regular annual event for little ones. A couple of days ago they said in the local press that since they were a grotto and grottos were allowed in tier 3 they would remain open (though at £75 for a ticket not the cheapest). Sadly their facebook page now says:

As Berkshire moves into Tier 4, we are deeply saddened to confirm that as of tonight our magical doors must close.
Our hearts break for all the Small and Big Folk who will now no longer be able to visit us this year.
We have worked tirelessly all year to keep the magic alive for as many families as we possibly could this Christmas but we have reached a point where we must now say goodbye to the Human Folk.

It looks like lots of little lads and lasses who were looking forward to the treats there will be in tears tonight. I hope some of them send their complaints where they are due. ‘say goodbye to Human Folk’ nicely sums up what Boris has done tonight.

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OldBaldGamer
OldBaldGamer
4 years ago

Take it lying down, or stand up and fight.

Your choice

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  OldBaldGamer

Time to properly stand up & fight now.

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AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
4 years ago
Reply to  OldBaldGamer

Easy to say but how do we actually fight it? I’m a 55 year old woman with a leg in a cast who has never worn a face covering, who writes to MPs, signs petitions and goes on demos. If I have seen a total of 10 other people shopping in my Sainsbury’s in the last 5 months that’s probably an over estimate. Until people spontaneously go back to the old normal – which I see little sign of – we are just pissing in the wind.

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

You could hook up with the Freedom Network and start a hub group in your neighbourhood. I’m planning to do this in the New Year and I’ve already been contacted by people in my area who found me through their website.
I’m looking forward to meeting some new people who are more awake.

https://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk/

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Sodastream
Sodastream
4 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

Thanks I’m going to get in touch with my local one

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  Sodastream

You may have to start a local one depending where you live, but the network will grow…

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

The best weapon most people have is to keep trying to expose the truth .
These extra lockdowns could be an overreach by the govt and provide an opportunity to convert the previously compliant to resistance of the infringement of liberties. Leave the virus-no virus thing to one side.

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
4 years ago

Had a bit of a ding-dong today with a bus driver who asked me for proof that I am exempt from wearing a mask. I said he was not supposed to be asking me for proof of exemption. He said he was. I said he wasn’t. He said he was. As riveting as this was, I didn’t have time for such compelling dialogue, so I whipped out my phone, went to the government’s own guidlines on face coverings and held this little nugget up to the screen between us:

‘Exemption cards

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this

you do not need show an exemption card’

————–

His face was a picture. In fairness, he apologised and said, ‘At least I now know for the future!’

What an indictment. I see it time and again. Those ‘enforcing’ this nonsense don’t have a bloody clue about the guidlines!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

His bus company should know the rules and relay them to their staff

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annie
annie
4 years ago

I’ve emailed Wankok and Dungford and my utterly useless wanker of an MP and I wasn’t polite.
Feel a smidgeon better.
But SO ANGRY.

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Will
Will
4 years ago

The game is up now for Johnson and the corrupt scientists. I am not even going to bother battling away, ploughing a lonely furrow. Just watch everything collapse around their ears. Starting with the imminent vaccine withdrawals.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Johnson is toast, and I suspect he now knows it. His successor is the one I am really concerned about. It might not be an elected politician.

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Alice
Alice
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Toast – or hog roast?

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I’m worried about Starmer. Always calling for tougher lockdowns. Dare I call him a fascist?

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Kier who? do you mean this guy?

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Check out his association with the Trilateral Commission. Then check out the aims of the Trilateral Commission, as stated by one of its founders, Rockefeller. You learn something new each day…

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

The man is definitely in on the plot.He knows the plan and is able to call for action that Johnson must take.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Boris et al make it seem it was a sudden decision but I thought it fishy that BBC Mon-Thurs were interviewing behavioural scientists. Then on Friday the mood was-lockdown is inevitable. I guess we were softened up.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

They started on Monday with the new mutation being announced, surely? Which obviously they’ve known about for weeks.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

How do you see the game ending for them? Personally it looks to me as if a successful coup has been carried out, and that lockdowns, masking etc can now continue indefinitely, while the economy is transformed into some sort of dystopian Orwellian nightmare.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

The coup happened on the 23rd March.Everything since then has been a consolidation of power

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago

Great tweet I found on Twitter:
“Govt bailed out banks because they were “too big to fail”.

Govt shuttered entrepreneurs and took away their livelihoods because they were too small to matter.”

Thinking this would be a good slogan for a poster.

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Francis
Francis
4 years ago
Reply to  nocheesegromit

Too weak to speak..

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Lord Sid
Lord Sid
4 years ago

Screaming lord sutch would be delighted now that the Monster Raving Looney party are in charge

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Lord Sid

N o they’re not, alas. The MRL had a sense of humour and an awareness of absurdity.

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago
Reply to  Lord Sid

The Monster Raving Loony party wouldn’t have had a lockdown

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

I am stunned by the unbelievable incompetence of this inept govenment, and shall be writing to my MP after Christmas to express my extreme dissatisfaction.

…and I shall be writing in the stongest possible terms.

I may go so far as to vote for somebody else next time.

That will show them.

Yes, you just wait until the next General Election in 2024.

That will punish them for putting me in Tier 4 instead if Tier 3

I am extremely annoyed.

🙂

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Are you thinking of voting Lib Dem by any chance?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Don’t. My MP is Lib Dem and fully signed up to the Starmer lockdown creed.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I think fascist dictator Jacinda Ardern won in New Zealand by postal voting. I couldn’t comment. I’m sure New Zealand makes ensures its elections are fair and proper

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago

Anyone familiar with this sceptic source?

https://www.youtube.com/c/unlockeduk?fbclid=IwAR2S1-9KD_YAFKceqVRCaoWnrh45uSdAFaLC0oEem3jtOH07YJlH0dNHJ88

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago

Vernon Colman has a new vid at brandnewtube worth watching, on the case as ever.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago

I believe all the news editors live in London? Have a kind of feeling the Bozo Party has just signed its own death warrant. Unfortunate that.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Party politics – who cares. They are all as bad as each other. I can’t imagine I will go near a ballot box next election.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Won’t be no more elections bro….

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

”Next election”? There’s optimism.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

It will happen, but postal only. It worked so well for Biden after all.

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Just don’t vote for LibLabConGreenSNP

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

you mean another Dec 31st 1999 moment?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Surely not. They all love it and are baying for more.

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

He signed the death warrant on 23rd March

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nocheesegromit
nocheesegromit
4 years ago

Does anyone have a higher res version of this image? TIA

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  nocheesegromit

I love this! Want one for my car. Please do share if you find a printable one.

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Sodastream
Sodastream
4 years ago
Reply to  nocheesegromit

Love this too and want to print/ have stickers

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Hamilton
Hamilton
4 years ago
Reply to  nocheesegromit

Here’s a slightly higher res version. In Chrome, if you right click, open image in a new tab and right click, Search Google for image, you might find better still. I’ll try to turn it into a vector graphic on Monday.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

You’ll have to check out the backroutes!

Nicola Sturgeon has banned cross-Border travel between Scotland and the rest of the UK in the hope of stopping the spread of the new more transmissible strain of Covid-19.
The First Minister said she was “very, very sorry” but the “harsh” ban was needed to prevent any more of the new strain entering Scotland and would apply over Christmas. 
A cross-Border travel ban has been in place in recent weeks but it was due to be lifted for five days from Dec 23.
Ms Sturgeon also warned that Police Scotland would “strengthen” enforcement of the “strict” ban at the English border, with the force deciding the operational details of how this is achieved.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/19/nicola-sturgeon-bans-travel-scotland-england-try-stop-new-covid/

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

She talks out of a hole in her arse.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

She has one? I thought she was an android.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Hole in her arse? She is one.
Same species as Dungford, evolved in a pseudo-Celtic sewer.

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

She’ll be very,very,very sorry when the trapdoor under the gallows opens.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I shan’t be.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I just cannot believe I am reading this

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I was quite surprised when I read that during our civil war, quite a lot of people simply weren’t interested or involved and just carried on as normal as best they could. I think most Brits are like that now – there’s a proxy war going on under the guise of a pandemic, but they are able just to shrug and carry on.

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Alan P
Alan P
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Some got so fed up with the depredations of both sides that they formed armed bands called ‘club men’ to protect themselves. Maybe these should be re-formed?

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I can only think these are all preparations for the breaking of the Union….

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Our politicians are emboldened, the thought of re election usually restrains them, they don’t seem to care

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Clarke

I fear the next election will be postal only. With a guaranteed result.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Have loved visiting Scotland many times. No more. It was very hostile last year in Edinburgh. They hate us too much now – felt very unwelcome – very sad.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Please don’t, we’re not all bad. My family will make you welcome.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Aah thank you – I know it’s not everyone. It just felt very different that last time we were there.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

My daughter will still be flying to Edinburgh on a Monday to stay with her boyfriend until 5th Jan. fuck em

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DJ Dod
DJ Dod
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I can’t quite make up my mind whether Sturgeon wants to emulate the DDR or North Korea. A bit of both, perhaps…

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Neither would have her. They’d be appalled by her cruelty.

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shorthand
shorthand
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Absolute weasel words. Josef Sturglin at her best, slopey shoulder to Police Scotland how they should deal with a possibly/probably illegal manning of a border blockade within the UK.

The backroads are the most scenic routes anyway 😉

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago

Was just wondering, will the Middletons being seeing their lovely little grandkids on Christmas day?

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

They, like every other public figure, can go wherever and do whatever they want whenever they like. All of them have been breaking the rules with impunity all year. I see this mockery as an important aspect of the psychological warfare. They know that we know they can get away with this, and there is nothing we can do about it.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

But west berks is in Tier 4 – they can’t possibly.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Compare the situation in a few London areas to Liverpool & Manchester a month or so ago. The same pattern. Not a disaster, something that will last a couple of weeks & recede like it does everywhere else.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Can you show the latest chart for the Greater Bristol area?

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

see above

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Mass testing of schools and falsification of results. No use trying to find ryme or reason anymore, this is NOT ABOUT THE VIRUS. We need to know what this is about so we can fight/resist it. Everything else is noise and fog or war.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

It will recede when the testers move to some other area scheduled for economic destruction

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AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
4 years ago

I am actively starting to hate the most strident bedwettters of my acquaintance. I have friends across the political spectrum and managed to not lose a single one over Brexit but there are people who have been friends who will never darken my doorstep again and who I would cross the road rather than speak to. You cannot be complicit in this destruction of our country and freedoms and still be my mate. I wonder when the government and its blind followers will realise they have shattered communities, friendships and families and humpty dumpty is not going to be put back together again. Not even by the sodding sainted NHS.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

Brexit is but nothing compared to this

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Many were waiting to be paid before buying presents. Many had made plans to eat out on Christmas day. Carers of the elderly had made arrangements to meet family on days other than Christmas day when they were working. Now that’s all wrecked.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

I sympathise with you. But maybe the sudden announcement of no-Christmas shopping from midnight by the Drakenfuhrer will jolt a few of the sheeple. I detect a lot of anger here tonight.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Possibly, but from what I can tell on social media, an awful lot of people seem in favour of it…including friends and relations of mine whom I thought were at least partly sceptical. I don’t really see how anything can change now while the majority of the population are fervently in love with lockdown. I guess we just have to try our best to keep chipping away, but by jingo it’s tough and lonely sometimes!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

It us, but keep at it. I grip your hand. Stronger together!

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

When their jobs, are lost, when the house is reposessed, when their pension fund is cancelled. When they are hungry, then just maybe they will not love lockdown. But don’t hold your breath!

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

Yes, I think in the long run it will be money that decides this. Rishi’s printing press will eventually explode with the pressure being put on it. Even if this is the precursor to some planned ‘Great Reset’ where the existing financial system is deliberately crashed, I don’t think it will go as smoothly as they might think.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

That was my belief but I’m
not sure anymore.They can print as much as they need while there is no international pressure on sterling.They are backed by the world bank and IMF so there is no limit.This has enabled them to buy off the public with furlough and Grants and to create a benign press.
I can see no end to this except when they are ready.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  AngloWelshDragon

Well said.

I cannot remain friends with anyone who is complicit in the destruction of civil liberties and human rights. They have no right to destroy my life

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Quiz time!

Which particular disengenuous arsehole wrote this?

The Prime Minister may be famed for his boosterism but he was left with no choice other than to act on Saturday and tighten restrictions across the country for Christmas.
Virtually every shred of data was stacked against him. The R rate across the country has again moved above one, meaning the epidemic is growing exponentially. Hospitals in many areas are already struggling. And in London and the South East, where cases are up by over 50 per cent, a new strain of the virus is rapidly carving out a foothold for itself.
The new rules (a full lockdown for the capital and much of the South East of the country, and household mixing limited to just Christmas Day for other areas) aim to stop the virus moving between households and generations. It is also designed to try and stop the new, faster-moving strain of the virus being carried across the country.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Has to be Ferguson, on the BBC website.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Has the stench of Fraser Nelson or Tim Stanley?

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Dan Clarke
Dan Clarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

BIT unit/Sage, who’ve been manipulating the whole thing

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Sounds like a Beeboid, maybe Kuenssberg.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

with a short cut to herd immunity why lockdown now?

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Got all the hallmarks of Robert Pestilence.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I vote Pesto.

Second choice – BBC. Could be any one of that lot to be honest.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Fuckwit Ferguson?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

You responded with some impressively disengenuous arseholes.
The answer, this time, is Paul Nuki.

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Where’s he getting the “deaths up by 50%” from then?

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Who he when he home?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Imperial College shill.

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PompeyJunglist
PompeyJunglist
4 years ago

…

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Tking
Tking
4 years ago

I am on the border of Surrey (Tier 4) and Hampshire (Tier 2), I can walk between the two. Luckily for now I am still in Tier 2 but for how long, I am in a close contact job, and dont qualify for support, this has made me physically ill, I dont get panic attacks, nothing like that, but I am taking anti-sickness pills and migraine tablets to control the permenant attacks I am getting. My whole body aches.

If I hear another fellow self employed person tell me how well of they are with their grant, and how they have only been affected by a small amount say 10-20% down on income, but still qualify and are buying luxuries with the money and they’ve never had it so good financially, and how bored they are with this, but if it saves one life it’s a good thing, I think I will get violent, to say I am bitter is an understatement. Having months more with nothing is hell. When will these twats wake up!

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tking

My Dad is in exactly the same position tier wise, the roundabout at the end of his road is in Hampshire, he is in Surrey. If he goes shopping at his local Tesco he will be breaking the law. If he drives to the nearest one in Surrey he will have to pass in and out of Hampshire, also breaking the law. Of course he fully intends to break it, but it highlights the madness of this. More people should be able to see it.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Bristol & around….

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Thanks.

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DThom
DThom
4 years ago

How much was the King of Sweden paid to “join the club”?

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

European royalty are right in there with the Davos set and Bilderbergers, they didn’t need to pay him anything. For some reason, he decided to keep quiet a while. I’m assuming it was for political reasons of which we are unaware.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Waiting for the right moment.

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

Reminds me of that Kingsman movie.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Has anyone got a canal boat berthed inside the M25 on the Grand Union canal I could hire for a few days over Christmas? People smugglers with inflatables over the Channel ain’t seen nothing on the numbers I could cram onto that little beauty.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

actually the people smugglers will make a fortune if they offer a two way service

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tonyspurs
tonyspurs
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Yep Somalia sounds quite tempting even if it takes a few months in a rubber dinghy

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

Surely we must be approaching the Stonewall moment-cancel Christmas day Strictly come dancing?

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

News about even more restrictions just made me laugh hysterically.

Otherwise, how can you still stay sane?
Do they really think anyone still thinks they (BJ & Co) are sane?

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

It’s a combination of psychos and twits doing this

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

‘I said months ago this would be the hill I die on. And I meant it. Because this is big. This is the biggest thing we’ve ever had to face. The most evil. We have to defeat it. There is no other way.’ – Neil Clark

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1340413114446213125?s=20

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

I said a couple of nights ago that within six months there would be more people with us than against us. I think today will have brought over many more.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

They have TAKEN that power:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1338855439975342080

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

From the comments on that twitter feed, take note of the last line on the attachment. We may need to be smarter than just rioting.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew K

That’s exactly why I keep warning about promoting rioting and violence! It’s kind of obvious if you think about it.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

Carl Heneghan has tweeted https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1340389063472365572?s=20

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Further down the thread..

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Toby Young

@toadmeister
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6h

Parliament was persuaded to vote for the tier system by being assured some Tier 3 areas would be moved into Tier 2 on Dec 16th and no further lockdowns would be imposed without a Parliamentary vote. The Government has played MPs for fools. I hope they won’t be fooled again.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

Because they are fools. They’ve fallen for it every time!

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

So after a few weeks off does this mean he wants to fight? I hope so. He will be useful.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

This was below too:

The Christmas household rules were explicitly approved by the House of Commons. So it is only right that, if the Govt were to seek to change them, that must also be approved by a vote in the House of Commons in advance – Parliament must not be bypassed

Someone should remind the cabinet of this – surely a case for an urgent legal intervention?

https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1338855439975342080

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Where’s Gina when you need her? . She was only ever interested in preserving Parliament’s rights, so I am sure she will “use her own money” to intervene in the Courts.

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Heneghan, eh? Always asking for evidence…!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Yeah – these conspiracy theorists eh ?

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Pesky evidence. It gets in the way of things.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

“Carl Heneghan
@carlheneghan
·
Can anyone point me to the evidence that this new variant is “70% more transmissible than the old variant?”

What might be considered a fundamental question – if you were a proper scientist rather than a Big Pharma shill.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

And got deserved support. If he’s got time, I’d love to see more of him on the screens over Christmas.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Never forget #Christmas2020

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Rafael
Rafael
4 years ago

Friends. We have to start acting with a stonger hand now. Literally harass and push our local MPs on social media so they know they will be voted out if this continues.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago

Boris is not in charge of my family. We are. Fcuk off Boris.

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shorthand
shorthand
4 years ago

Let everything happen to you
Beauty and terror
just keep going
No feeling is final

Rainer Maria Rilke

This week and today’s shitshow smacked of desperation. Just watch and see. They’re scared, they’re losing control. Normal people, like us, and the other normal people will continue their lives as we will. No need to rant and rave and lose hours fuming at these horrible wretchpieces. Just lets beat them.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  shorthand

i love Rilke. Thanks for this.

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shorthand
shorthand
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

My pleasure Cheezilla.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago

Find new friends who live near you through these networks:

Freedom Network: to enable people to make contact with one another. http://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk

Back to Normal: a leafleting campaign. E-mail backtonormalrh@yahoo.com or visit my-sgf.co.uk

Unlock (Oxford): a student-led campaign begun at Oxford University. http://www.unlock-gb.co.uk
@unlockgb on Twitter           
 

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Ta Rosie!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Excellent !

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago

Enemy fighters seen too the north, bombers massing on the Southern flanks, the virus has rallied his strongest forces against us, but we still have the tools to outwit him. The fuhrer addressed the nation with Him!er and Goebels either side of him. We have succeeded in wrecking the hospitality industry announced the fuhrer to roars of delight from the green masked audience of 500,000. Next we will destroy the retail industry, then the dirty polluting travel industry. Soon we will move back to the freedom of living in caves as I prepare to finally wreck the oil and gas industry. The audience roared approval, More more they roared, the fuhrer paused, then announced veganism will be the state religion,. No more meat, cheese or fish. Yes they said, in the name of St Greta yes.
This could be only months away if the activist minority plus the globalist backers that has Boris by the balls via nut nuts. If it doesn’t kick off the fucking latte supping pret class will surrender everything to be safe. That’s the fucking insanity that a lot of the country are prepared to accept as a future.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

Not just any old veganism either, the plan is for a 100% lab grown GMO diet as the perfect accompaniment to our annual vaccine shots.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I’lleat a beefsteak tomorrow just to spite the buggers.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Agriculture, and especially animal husbandry, is a major target in this war. Complete rural depopulation and forced deportation into smart cities is the dream of the Agenda 2030 set.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

By obeying the state order to do so. I expect there to be a big propaganda push for a zoonotic virus which will require the slaughter of all farm and domestic animals and the emergency evacuation of all rural areas to “protect” the population. Nothing is off the table at this point.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Ask those who went through the Chinese revolution.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

Little from America….

…is what you get from the MSM. But the USA is moving to a full blown crisis, because of the massive election fraud, a crisis that even the MSM won’t be able to ignore because it might end in Trump declaring martial law.

The crisis has come to the boil because the courts have failed to do their job, failed to examine the (voluminous) evidence of fraud. The BBC and the rest of the MSM will tell you when a case alleging fraud has been thrown out. In nearly all such instances the evidence was not heard and examined.

The most egregious example so far has been the Supreme Court’s unprecedented refusal to hear Texas’s case (joined by six other states) about how the fraud and malpractice was impacting on their citizens (essentially by violation of the principle of equality of votes).

Remarkably the Court threw out the case from a member state of the Union, never hearing the ebudence, saying Texas didn’t have standing!

More remarkable, we have some indication of what took place when the Court considered whether to hear the case. Some Justices had the temerity to suggest there was precedent in the Florida “hanging chads” case. Chief Justice Roberts was having none of it. He was screaming and shouting so loudly (not your normal SCOTUS session!) that he could be heard outside by staff! He is reported as yelling at them, stating the precedent didn’t apply: “We didn’t have riots then…” An odd legal argument.

So there you go – that shows you why the violence of Antifa and BLM is so useful to the Globalist alliance. It creates a pro-Globalist frame of reference for court decisions, even those of the Supreme Court.

The name of the Chief Justice was John Roberts. One of the frequent flyers to Epstein lsland was a John Roberts. Some claim they are one and the same. Could explain his agitation.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Good to see that word is getting out – because the BBC and MSM don’t want to talk about it.

Front Page on Youtube is a good place to go for up-to-date and straightforward information about these cases – as if NTD News and Newsmax. Yes – they’re pro Trump – but at least there’s the detail of all the lawsuits pending. (They’ve managed to evade Youtube’s censorship!)

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I came across an air watch video blog last night on YT. Lots of activity of known military planes, unmarked, around US airspace.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

If these bastards win, they will never relinquish their winnings.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago

Someone on this site months ago, claiming that conspiratorial powers were in control of events, mentioned that these puppet-masters liked to invoke significant events on dates with repetitive numbers.

By coincidence, the new Tier 4 lockdown rules come into force on December 20 2020.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Don’t go there, things are bad enough without introducing c-conspiracy th-theories. Wait a minute..

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

Just an observation… In Wales the actual start is 12am 20/12/2020

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Unless they have reissued the legislation today, Health Protection (Wales) Coronavirus regulations Number 5 commences on the 21st of December.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Midnight 19 December.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

I see now that there was an amendment issued by Drakeford at 9.15 tonight. 23.59 tonight now, with exemptions for househokds joining now confined to the 25b.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

I do not consent!

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

The solstice.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

Plus a very powerful Jupiter/Saturn conjunction.
We certainly live in “interesting times”!

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I’ve noticed the big changes come with the seasonal changes in the astronomical calendar.

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

Nicola Sturgeon is so ‘independent’ that she’s decided to forbid Scots from leaving Scotland. In effect turning Scotland into a massive prison.

The whole thing stinks of unnecessary cruelty.

And I know of three families and their relatives who are planning on ignoring Christmas lockdown rules (some of them lockdowners). They are angry at months of planning and spending money on food, drink and gifts, as well as organising travel arrangements only to have the Government pull the rug from underneath their feet at last minute.

I hope that millions of people will follow Neil Ferguson and Kay Burley’s example.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Sturgeon clearly has psychopathic tendencies wrapped around massive delusions of grandeur.

Coupled with a weak intellect – that’s a dangerous combination.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

I’m willing to be used as a stop on the underground railway.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

They make unlikely heroes but you have a good point.

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Thomas_E
Thomas_E
4 years ago

Just had a major bust up with my other half. She works for the local government and said it’s such a shame this happened. I the said that the people should raise up and protest and riot.She told me she could never be with somebody who condones this.Well, at least now I know that my marriage is heading the same way this country is..down the pan. What a great day in Gulag London!

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Fcuk off Boris
Fcuk off Boris
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Stay strong mate. I’m on your side, we should be rioting to stop these wankers stripping us of our fucking civil liberties.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Please keep going, this is not worth falling out over. it’s just how you feel tonight.
I wanted to vandalise my local MPs office today as well, but it is upstairs behind a door and not visible to the public, so will have no effect.
I am also only about 3 miles away from Wancock’s office, but again, it is on a farm business park.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

I’m the same. My OH will hear none of it. And I’ve agreed to keep things toned down. But it works both ways. The thorny aspects of this are coming day by day for all of us, and I said as a last word when we had the agreement for me to keep her out of it that “we will all soon have to pick a side”. It’s testing times for sure.

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shorthand
shorthand
4 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

To allow your marriage to slip away because of these cretins would be unforgivable. A new lover, matters of the heart are the things that get in the way. That’s life. Growing apart is one of life’s challenges. But not this. Not for these fuckers.

Talk to your missus. explain your angst. Explain how peoples lives are being destroyed.

If she doesn’t see it, try see her point of view, if you can and then drink a little and make up. Have make up sex. During sex, gently turn her over. When you’re behind making love to her give her the fingers behind her back.
Its the little acts of defiance.

Just make sure there isn’t a bedside lamp shining behind you….

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  shorthand

Naughty!

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Fcuk off Boris
Fcuk off Boris
4 years ago
Reply to  shorthand

The best post on here ever🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago

Just seen Carl Heneghan asking to see the evidence for the new variant being “70% more transmissible”.

I’m willing to bet good money that it will turn out to be a prediction-projection-scenario spewed out by some model using the usual dodgy data. And probably produced by our good friends at Imperial.

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Huge gaps filled by worst case scenarios?

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Sturgeon jimmy krankie cited premptive action for her three weeks of lockdown and no cross boarder travel. Shows forecasting of somekind.

Dont forget EVERY measure they have prescibed has failed to put the country in this position. Regardless of belief in virus or not the very facts of such gross failures on their own terms must awaken some previously sleeping. It is a full on rancid stench.

Hello to any new lurkers who have been so shocked by today’s tyranny that you have found this site of truthful, thoughtful, intelligent reason.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

It stinks. Why now is the only question we need to be asking right now?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Spot on!

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Evidence? Reminds me of Colon Scowl and the proof of WMDs in a test tube full of cocaine.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

More lies!!!

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

The new mutant strain is called ISAR (I Smell A Rat)

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

what maddens me we are not even at 1,000 deaths a day-the start point for the Nov lockdown

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago

Random thought, and feel free to debunk it or explain to me please.

Professor (and I use the term loosely) Droston, devised a test specifically to test for a variant of a CoronaVirus that we now know and love as Covid-19. He published a paper on it, and the World Health Organisation told the world that this was the test to use to discover if somebody had been infected with Covid-19. It ignored all other CoronaVirus’s that might still be in anybody’s system, and did not detect other infections such as the influenza virus.

Now we are faced with a new variant strain of this virus, a “mutant” strain (doesn’t SiP-B do a fine job with their propaganda, using adjectives like Mutant because the media loves things like that). Miraculously, there is already a test for this particular strain of the CoronaVirus, despite the scientists not actually being able to tell us exactly how deadly it is. All they know that it is 70% more easily trasmitted than Covid-19 because miraculously, they have a test for it. Not only that, but they have already produced all the reagents needed to test for it in sufficient quantities to test a large number of people in the South East for this new mutant virus, which is able to distiguish between those who have CoronaVirus and Mutant Virus. Not only that, they have secretly set up labs to process the tests for this new mutant strain, since otehrwise, they might get mixed up with comon or garden CoronaViru tests.

So who invented this new test? When was the scientific paper issued so that the process could be peer reviewed? Why have we not heard from the WHO about this new test? How does it distinguish between the two virus strains without the testee undertaking two separate tests, which you would have thought we would have heard about if this mutant strain had been about since September?

I think enquiring minds need to know.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

I was just speaking with a friend discussing similarly. It’s rather fanciful isn’t it.

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Eddie
Eddie
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Damn rights!
And doesn’t this new strain render the ‘new’ vaccines useless?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Conveniently not.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Enquiring minds will eventually reach the conclusion that the so-called SARSCoV-2 virus has never been isolated intact or cultured. Drosten’s test was never trialled or peer validated before the WHO authorised it. Drosten is a charlatan who tried to pour petrol on the 2008 H1N1 outbreak until stopped by Wolfgang Wodarg. PCR testing is not an appropriate assay to identify the intact virus because the intact virus has only been constructed in the lab from a box of bits made in China; sequences similar to other corona viruses were assembled and the missing bits added from what was left over. Add the power of propaganda, a good pinch of applied behavioural psychology, et voila: infinite scope for the perfect crime. They can carry this on for as long as they like because no-one really knows what they’re looking at.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

You’re right.

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djaustin
djaustin
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

The pcr test uses something called primers. These are the short negative sections of the virus genetic code. It uses primers for several parts of the genome, not just one. That includes parts other than where the virus has mutated (the spike protein). So the test can detect the new “mutant” strain because the vast majority of its genetic code has not changed. The amplification multiplies the primers for each cycle and these are detected. Detection of multiple parts of the genome is confirmation of presence of virus.

It is possible that the antibodies to this new strain may not be detected as well using a lateral flow test, but no information has been published.

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Richym99
Richym99
4 years ago
Reply to  djaustin

I will have to take your word as I am a layman, not a scientist. But it still begs the question, how is the testing lab distinguishing between which strain of virus is being detected. How can the PCR test be accurate enough to tell an untrained lab tech which strain he is looking at, but not accurate enough to determine if the RNA strand is dead or alive, which is providing so many false positives.

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

They found a perfect picture of the new variant in an old Where’s Wally? book and, as they already have a rough picture of what they wanted the previous edition to look like, it’s easy to tell the difference. Allegedly. The truth is that the PCR test is massively prone to sample contamination. Carried out from samples taken under strict medical conditions and processed by experienced technicians with care in the right laboratory environment it can have validity where symptoms diagnosis has already occurred; carried out on samples taken en masse with symptoms absent or unknown by untrained personnel in makeshift conditions to be then processed en masse at various uncertified labs is a recipe for utter chaos. Also, viruses generally mutate to be less infectious as high mortality is bad for business; in this way, they tend to be self-limiting. The ‘new strain’ is said to have an amino acid (building blocks for proteins) not found in the previous variant; however, it is unlikely to be of any significance in transmission. You are right to question this.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Richym99

Carl Heneghan has asked this question on his twitter feed this evening

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago

I have no doubts, none, that the likes of Sturgeon would have cheerfully played the role of a Yezhov, or Beria, or Heydrich or Eichmann or Kaganovich in another era.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Or any villain totally devoid of empathy.
The old thing about the banality of evil. Little. mean, luffed-up nothings given power by Satan to do his work.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Very true Annie.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

I am noticing a worryng increase tonight in the number of people on here asking intelligent sceptical questions.

Why can’t you all be unquestioning, subservient, compliant morons like me, who accept everything the government says at face value.

Because you’re all conspiracy theorists, that’s why.

I’m going to complain to Google I am, or whoever is the boss of the Internet.

Thinking is good, but it is important to be able to think safely, without too many different ideas.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

It’s absolutely disgraceful.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

If only everyone would just take their soma and be happy. Never.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Yes. My cousin’s girlfriend’s nan died of the Covids at just 93 years old, and these far right sceptics would soon change their tune if they were gasping for breath in an ICU etc etc etc etc

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

Her poor parents ☹️

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

She had her whole life ahead of her.

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Ianric
Ianric
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

If only people would be willing to accept the destruction of our economy, the loss of livelihoods, loss of civil liberties, criminalizing normal activities such as having friends round your house, removing leisure activities such as pubs, eating out, concerts etc for a disease nobody knows anyone with it, you have to be tested to see if you have it and rely on dodgy tests and stick a swab deep inside your throat. Bearing in mind we are in the middle of a pandemic so deadly that if it wasn’t for hysterical media coverage we wouldn’t notice we were in a pandemic.

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Just about sane
Just about sane
4 years ago

I hope this works but I think it if the shoe fits etc.

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Picture of sturgeon last night at christmas bash – no mask no social distancing. Not a joke. Would post here if able.

https://twitter.com/Del_ivered/status/1340340356563537922?s=20

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

That shows exactly how made up this shit is. But, I bet that the papers won’t make a big deal of that, instead they will continue with the scaremongering angle. Also, that is a scary picture, she is one ugly little bastard.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

No chance that’s recent

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

You are right. I have read down the thread op has replied saying it is from a while ago. My error i fell into twitter trap.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Last night? No date.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Haha, the expression is perfect.

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Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Very apt. My daughter’s in tears tonight because she can’t return to Glasgow before Hogmanay to spend it with her boyfriend as planned.

Surely something has to give soon.

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OldBaldGamer
OldBaldGamer
4 years ago
Reply to  Dame Lynet

BULLSHIT

Your daughter can do whatever she wants.

What sort of parent are you ?

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  OldBaldGamer

Harsh.

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Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
4 years ago
Reply to  OldBaldGamer

Lol, travel ban and we don’t live in Scotland Shall I hire a plane and drop her in under cover of darkness?

You are just missing ‘loser’ at the end of your name there.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Dame Lynet

Everyone’s climbing the walls at the minute. We mustn’t fall out. Hope your daughter is ok.

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Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Thanks, Liam, she’s putting on a brave face but as you know it’s all so unnecessary.

I don’t fall out with people online, but Loser there needed a sharper response, they are enforcing a travel ban with rest of UK and we don’t live in Scotland. She has a lot to lose by flouting the rules, crazy as they are.

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago
Reply to  Dame Lynet

Get a dingy a float to Scotland. It’s worked remarkedly well for 100’s of thousands seeking sanctuary in Europe, I suspect many may wish to do the reverse journey soon. Less tyranny then here.

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Ianric
Ianric
4 years ago
Reply to  Just about sane

Comparing Sturgeon to the Nazis is a bit unfair on the Nazis.

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common conservative
common conservative
4 years ago

Had a bit of a ding-dong today with a bus driver who asked me for proof that I am exempt from wearing a mask. I said he was not supposed to be asking me for proof of exemption. He said he was. I said he wasn’t. He said he was. As riveting as this was, I didn’t have time for such compelling dialogue, so I whipped out my phone, went to the government’s own guidlines on face coverings and held this little nugget up to the screen between us:

‘Exemption cards

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this

you do not need show an exemption card’

His face was a picture. In fairness, he apologised and said, ‘At least I now know for the future!’

What an indictment. I see it time and again. Those ‘enforcing’ this nonsense don’t have a bloody clue about the guidlines!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  common conservative

He has most likely been told by his management that he has to enforce it as they want to cover their arse for their insurance.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  common conservative

What are their managers playing at, not giving them the correct information? My extremely and obviously ancient aunt has been confronted on more than one occasion for not wearing a muzzle. She was even told she shouldn’t be out!

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  common conservative

I’m not sure why places are still struggling with this.

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Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
4 years ago
Reply to  common conservative

This is an aspect of the government’s edicts that concerns me a lot. They expect them to be policed by Joe Public.

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Hill Street Bluez
Hill Street Bluez
4 years ago

At least we’re still alive… Patterson on sky newspaper review. Let’s wait for the vaccine 😂

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Hill Street Bluez

She also seems to have escaped to another location – had assumed she was in London as she is normally sat in her office, which looks distinctly like a flat. Now she is somewhere in tier 2 in what looked like a cottage?

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago

You can wake up a sleeping person by shouting and shaking them. But the British people are not sleeping, they are in a coma caused by mass hysteria. Shouting and shaking will do no good and may even cause you injury. But talking gently, constantly, trying to remind them of what is real and good and waiting for them when they awake, may eventually work. NB I am not recommending a gentle approach to those who are knowingly complicit in what is going on.

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stoptheworld
stoptheworld
4 years ago

I’ve made up a table of UK death rates for the last 70 years using the most up to date official figures, so far 2020 isn’t even in the top 50!. I’ve taken into account the growth in UK population, something which the UK government seems reluctant to do.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

“US FDA reports five adverse events so far nationally with the C-19 vaccine , one serious. Which is funny, because hospitals in Alaska alone have publicly reported five adverse events, two serious. The rest of the country is doing great!”But also this
“And a Chicago hospital has decided to suspend vaccinating its employees because of side effects. Sounds like things are going great, especially for the one “receiving additional treatment.” Remember: this is the first shot. The fun starts after the second.”

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1340348629584850944

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1340370812247924736 

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

I would just like to thank the government for introducing lockdowns, masks and social distancing.

It is true that my days are spent staring at screens and at the walls of my flat. A monotonous existence devoid of human contact. Yes, it is true that when I go out the experience is sanitized. I see no smiles and real conversation is impossible. Yes it is true that life is devoid of sparkle, meaning and joy.

However, the NHS is protected and we all get to live two and a half weeks longer than we would otherwise have done.

So, that’s alright then.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

No, SOME people get to live two and a half weeks longer. You are privileged to lose five years on average! You will be the envy of the town! What do you say to that? 🙂

Last edited 4 years ago by Noumenon
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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Stay with it – don’t you dare leave – you are one of the heroes of this crazy place.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

Seconded!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

No worries.

I thought a slight change of commenting style might work. I was trying to speak from the perspective of others.

When I hear and read about others, I realize that I am actually very fortunate.

I am also optimistic. We will get through this to a better life.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Sow little seeds. Go out without your muzzle and YOU do the smiling and the conversing. It’s surprising how well it works! People seem pleasantly taken aback!
(I keep my flimsy scarf handy just in case – I’m not strong enough for confrontation – but it’s very much a token and I NEVER wear it at the check-out.)

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Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

The right to dribble weetabix down your chin for an extra 2.5 weeks trumps all other claims on life.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago

So Boris is doing a Thanos with small businesses then. One click of the Covid Gauntlet and it’s poof, half on them never existed.

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago

Does anyone have a link to the (I think) BMJ article in which a number of academics are refuting the ‘new’ strain being dangerous? It was posted here today or yesterday.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

Is it this one? I haven’t read it yet.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857

(I did notice a few ”Matt Hancock said…” this and that. Wouldn’t it be better if there were someone in this post who at least had a medical background or experience in the Real World, instead of this unqualified little oik?)

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

No, it isn’t, but thanks anyway.

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FenTyger
FenTyger
4 years ago
Reply to  jb12

This one from an unexpected source:-
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/coronavirus-mutation-science-explained/

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jb12
jb12
4 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

No, not that one either, thanks. It was short, like a BMJ article, with a few quotes from UK academics basically saying they know not nearly enough about this to come to any conclusion..

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

Mr Hitchens’ blog is in and I’m feeling rather sanguine.

Daily Mail: PETER HITCHENS: Merry? No, this year we need an Angry Christmas!.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9071127/PETER-HITCHENS-Merry-No-year-need-Angry-Christmas.html

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

Just thought I’d thank you for your responses today before I turn in tonight, yes it it’s a very bad day for us but you have kept the hope alive. Someone said in six months there will be more with us than against us, let’s hope today’s announcements have accelerated that trend. As pessimistic as I feel considering the scale and strength of what we’re up against, we can still win.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Keep going mate. I swear me and you are going to have a bloody good drink together when we celebrate our victory.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

A good old knees up will be well deserved!

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Thinking of you DRW, and know you have been having a terrible time. We are all here for each other, and will get through it together. Many posters on Telegraph and Mail are saying Boris has gone too far this time. His downfall will be sweet, and worth waiting for.

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Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Fight on DRW. It’s hard, I know. Days like this are rough, but they bring more and more people to our side.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Keep the head high.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago

Casting around in all directions for inspiration, here’s a quote from Robert Emmet:

Let no man dare, when I am dead. to charge me with dishonor; let no man attaint my memory by believing that I could have engaged in any cause but that of my country’s liberty and independence, or that I could have become the pliant minion of power in the oppression or the miseries of my countrymen.”

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Thank you for that. I’ve just sent it to my MP. I told her I couldn’t wish her a happy Christmas as she has made it very clear that she is complicit and compliant in the ruin of many of her fellow countrymen, and made sure they won’t be happy for many a long year.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

I hope they understand this is history and they are sinking

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Good one!

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

My dad was a protestant from Belfast and i’m 100% behind you . We need the spirit of the united Irishmen .

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Love that. Memories of reading history many moons ago

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Reading that this is all being driven by staff absences after testing positive. You’d like to be sure it wasn’t positive tests after staff take the vaccine?

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

It’s not even mostly about staff absences after testing positive. Most of it is staff absences after being exposed to people who have tested positive, plus the degree to which capacity has been reduced to deal with sanitisation requirements and social distancing – and quite clearly, none of that is working to reduce spread in hospital. The ludicrous, disproportionate response to the epidemic is driving the crisis. We are in an unholy death spiral.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I really hadn’t even thought about it, but they’re still going to test their staff even after the jab aren’t they.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

Everything is so effing crazy – I remember this great Slade track from my early teenage years and it sounds nearly as good today.

Mama – We’re All Crazy Now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPTk5poAa1c

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

https://youtu.be/K_NYXE5tl9w

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

I prefer the Quiet Riot version!

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Doodle
Doodle
4 years ago
Reply to  godowneasy

I never tire of hearing this: https://youtu.be/9dGvlB9q7C8

The stupid BBC never realised what the song was about, Slade should’ve released it as a single which have automatically got to No.1 and caused no end of panty wetting complaints. Jimmy Lea’s bass is immense and, my god, they were so loud I still have ringing in my ears from 48 years ago.

Sorry, nothing to do with the current Clown World narrative and OT but still… one needs a distraction now and then.

I got nothing to add to today’s shit storm, instead I have become Zen.

(You’ll have to excuse me been drinking all night long and the night is still young.)

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkSLMCdFgOk

Rail chaos as people in London attempt to leave Tier 4.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Like Paris when they locked it down. Travel carnage.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Same thing in NYC

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

If all services including emergency services did not scramble like their lives depended on it to facillitate the safe fleeing of the capital they need stringing up. It was clear the announcement woukd cause mass alarm and a rush out of the areas affected. The emergency services are there to keep us safe not pen us in and stormtroop about.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Interesting comments. People not afraid of the virus but afraid of being prevented from travelling to their destination.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

everyone’s got to get on board this train:-

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1340386521061462017

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Basics
Basics
4 years ago

Jason Leitch in a media briefing, telling us the virus is being grown and tested at a facility at Porton Down ! I kid you not.

10sec Video of him saying it .

https://twitter.com/iain528/status/1340429843197009920?s=20

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

These people are criminals

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Talk about hiding the truth in plain sight. The virus can indeed be “grown” in bioweapons laboratories.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

Are masks effective?

Spoiler alert – No!

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Tried posting that on FB and FB have warned me it’s fake informtion what all 20 studies. wow, they really do want to keep us muzzled up!

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

I really shouldn’t do this late night thing – I sometimes regret it. But this says it all – this is our fate in this insane world.

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55379632

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said “firm preventative action” was needed after the emergence of a faster-spreading strain of coronavirus.

It was truly disheartening. There was Nicola, desperate to save Christmas, knowing how many dear little hearts were beating in anticipation of these reindeer hooves on the roof. But there was no hope for it. After a final phone call to Nafeez Ahmed to assure that there was no tampering from the evil Nazi sceptics, it was indeed confirmed that Left Central had delivered the verdict: No Santa, no snow (a covid carrier), no mistletoe (to tempt people to merge their covid riddled genitalia together) but on the other hand, there must continue to be plenty of Coke to keep the PCR tests up to date until the tests can be adapted for Fanta as well.

The SAGE kiddie party had carried out rigorous tests to determine that the R module on the Z terminator had bioactivated the coro tarantula carbonator and had in doing so expropriated the angular defibolo-microbe thus germinating exponentially across the dilithium crystals. This was verified by Nafeez’s impeccable non-pseudo-scientific credentials.

And thus it was proven that the new variant was even more deadly than the word deadly could possibly imply and we needed to make a new word at least ten times as long and terminating in a scream. In the meantime, Nicola would keep on appearing with more wan makeup each time to deliver an increasingly whispering voice until perhaps June 2025 when she will arrange to expire in a pool of purple covid juice. At which point we will ready ourselves for Act 2.

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DJ Dod
DJ Dod
4 years ago

Some might find it surprising to be in complete agreement with David Mellor, but who could argue that we need a break from Matt Hancock:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9071311/Public-deserve-break-Matt-Hancock-writes-former-Cabinet-minister-DAVID-MELLOR.html

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

A very nasty article. Contains plenty of welcome truth but I’m left wondering why Mellor is sticking the knife in.
What has he to gain??

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Is there any chance he is simply saying what he thinks? I agreed with every word of it. For sceptics in the Conservative Party without career ambitions, why not, at this point?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Decent article right up until he mentioned Wanksock getting upset at the end. Surely he hasn’t fallen for that one?

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

He’s a great fan of live classical music. No chance of that ever returning with this insane lockdown ideology in place.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

This was reported in an Indian paper, so not sure about the source. But if true the ADE reaction has been discussed after vaccination(This was an Indian developed vaccin) https://www.khaleejtimes.com/coronavirus-pandemic/covid-positive-indian-minister-who-got-vaccine-admitted-to-hospital-in-critical-condition&nbsp;”Haryana Health Minister Anil Vij had moderate Covid-19 with bilateral viral pneumonia.Haryana Health Minister Anil Vij, who is currently battling the Covid-19 infection, was on Tuesday admitted to Gurugram’s Medanta Hospital in a critical condition, officials said
The minister had, last month, received a jab of the two-dose trial of indigenous Covid-19 vaccine candidate Covaxin, developed by Hyderabad-based Bharat Biotech, after he offered to be a volunteer in its Phase 3 trials. He had tested positive for Covid-19 on December 5.
Vij was administered the dose on November 20 at the Civil Hospital in Ambala Cantonment. His news of testing positive for Covid-19, days after receiving the vaccine dose had triggered a question mark on the vaccine’s efficacy among the public.”
  

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

So this is not a “modern vaccine” like Pfizer,Moderna,Astra but a more old fashioned vaccine “killed” part of the virus inoculated a bit like previous older fluvaccines.

https://science.thewire.in/health/covid-19-bharat-biotechs-covaxin-expected-to-be-60-effective-company-says/

Covaxin is an inactivated vaccine. That is, it introduces a part of the novel coronavirus – instead of the whole – into the human body to provoke the sort of immune response that the body will remember. When in future an actual novel coronavirus infection is underway, the body will know what to do to flush the virus out of the body and end the infection.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

If it’s all about the messaging then people will say whatever they need to say to get that message across, even if they have to lie.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago

Have yourself a Merry Little Lockdown

Just move once and for all to Tier 33, and get over it!

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matt
matt
4 years ago

I’ve been talked down this afternoon from driving from London to Newcastle and back to pick up my kids’ Christmas presents, all of which had been delivered to granny’s house in anticipation of being there for Christmas. Instead, we’ve got a “man with a van” driving them down the A1 on Monday.

My 8-year-old nephew, who is an only child and hasn’t had a proper play date in months because his mother (my sister) is deeply jittery and a stickler for the rules, has spent the evening sobbing, because he was promised that he would get to see his cousins (my boys, who are the closest thing he has to siblings) for Christmas and now he can’t. “Why are they doing this to us?” He said.

Well, indeed.

My kids aren’t quite inconsolable – they have each other, after all – but they’re pretty miserable they won’t be seeing their cousin (who they haven’t seen since August 2019) until God knows when.

My mother will be throwing away hundreds of pounds worth of food, now that she’s catering for 4, not 10. By the time we might be “allowed” to spend Christmas together again, her two older grandchildren will be 9 and she will have missed what realistically should have been the last really magical Christmas with her grandchildren before the cynicism kicks in. She’s 69 and still practicing as a GP. The only even remotely vulnerable person we would have met on our trio, but even she isn’t allowed to make decisions.

I still plan to put everyone in the car on Wednesday and head up the country. Worst case scenario we get stopped and turned round and I can insist on taking my £200 fine to the courts. At least this way, if we get turned back, I’ll have the kids’ presents in the boot.

In defence of the German people, at least they had suffered years of economic catastrophe before they were prepared to accept the creep of fascism, and it took the Nazi party a long time to so completely steal their freedom nonetheless. If this is not the straw that breaks the camel’s back – and SURELY it must be – then I despair completely. Apparently, all the British people ever needed was 9 months of propaganda.

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

Get in the car and go. Fuck these fascist bastards.

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Certainly intend to. Just need to persuade the wife. And my 8 year old, who said “but I don’t want to break the law, daddy.” He wasn’t persuaded either by “lex iniusta non est lex “ or by “lex impotens malus iocus est”

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

What about lex Luther?

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I’m pretty sure he’s not behind this. Lex Luther has some humanity.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

If you think this through. You may get a £100 fine (?) for going or spend more than that by not going. Go.

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Well, no – realistically it’s both. I can set off assuming that, on the balance of probability I will get where I’m going. But the risk is that I’ll be stopped en route and sent home with a fine. It’s unlikely, but in case it happens, I have to have food in the house for Christmas, so I’ll have to buy that anyway. So, best case, I’ve spent £100 or so on food, most of which will spoil while I’m away. Worst case, I’ve spent £100 or so on food and I get a £200 fine and we get to eat the food.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m going to do it anyway. I need to do more and I’m trying to find ways to do more. My conscience says I will not be able to look at myself in the mirror in years to come if I haven’t done everything I can to stop this.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

If you’re stopped you get a fine, or whatever it’s called. You take a detour and then carry on. You don’t just turn round and go home. No need for an insurance turkey.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

You have to do it. We’re having family here because the internal pain of caving to these well, I don’t have words for them, is far worse than anything they can do to us for defying them.

It’s just not an option. Caving to them is not an option.

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Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

I wouldn’t pay any fine

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

If you get stopped just lie. That’s what everybody else on the roads and getting stopped will be doing.

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

I almost want to be stopped. Is there nothing – absolutely nothing – that the citizenry won’t tolerate?

Bastards, the lot of them. This is demonic. Satanic. It’s fundamentally anti-human.

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

I’m thinking about how best to approach it too. They haven’t put a list of exceptions up yet but attending a funeral might be one of them. That might be my reason if stopped.

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

I’ve read the ‘rules’ they’ve published quite carefully. They’re quite tight. I think you’re right that funeral is the only get out, other than visiting a dying relative (which a family couldn’t be doing anyway). Business travel is still OK, but it would be hard to explain a family of 4 travelling for business with a dog and a cat.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

Go wearing black, black armbands on the animals. Plan your route using a map (don’t use your phone as satnav; best to keep the phone switched off). Maybe even give the kids a project of designing an order of service for ‘granny’s’ funeral. If nothing else, it might give a moment of shame to any police officer who stops you: shame to be enforcing fascist ‘rules’ that drive people to such lengths.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

You can always say you were testing your eyesight

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Tangelo
Tangelo
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

Good luck brother

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago

“I hope and believe that everyone in Sweden understands the seriousness, of this FAKE pandemic fuelled by PCR. Don’t question, just Obey.”, he said…

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

That Sopel’s a nasty piece of work. He’s now back in this country, which he clearly hates, and is telling us we should all be masked 100% of the time when outside our homes. He compares us unfavourably with he USA. Logic isn’t his strong point is it? He’s spent the last six months telling us the (wonderfully masked) USA has the worst record on Covid in the world. Might it be something to do with obsessive masking?

If you can bear to look at Sopel’s twitter account, you’ll note his wish to see all us Brits muzzled has brought out the worst of the FBPE maskomaniacs and lockdown lunatics.

It’s interesting that a Trump-hating Leftist-Globalist should be so concerned about achieving total masking. It’s clear he sees the connection with his Trump hatred. This is everything to do with politics and nothing to do with health .

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I am astonished that masks have not been mandated everywhere in 2020 in the UK. I guess they have to leave a little slack in the regulations so that they can be tightened even further during 2021. It will happen, and once the regulation is in place, it will never be lifted.

Lockdown + distancing + masks + testing + vaccines + impoverishment + food shortages + economic collapse + UBI leaves plenty of scope for making our lives even more miserable.

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I think the BLM demonstrators were the first obsessive maskers. It may have been a subconscious nod to their heroes in the PLO and similar organisations where hiding your face might have had advantages…

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  Yawnyaman

Antifa have been big on face nappies for years.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

If anyone ever comes across Sopel sauntering around the UK without a mask on, please get your phone out and take a pic! He’s bound to be a Ferguson type, not following his own advice. That’s another thing Sopel censors in his US reports – how many Dem politicians have been caught out not following the guidance they expect the “little people” to follow.

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godowneasy
godowneasy
4 years ago

Good night crazy world.

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago

Not sure if this has already been posted about Sweden but very interesting.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/19/update-on-the-swedish-covid-response/#comments

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Andrew K
Andrew K
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

NO different from the UK, ignoring false positive PCR test, ignoring the science. Using fear to control. Ignoring safe, cheap and effective treatments.

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Danny
Danny
4 years ago

After a pretty awful day today, we went out in our street for a pre-arranged Carole concert with neighbours and even a brass band.
Lots of talk during planning about how people would “socially distance”, singing from their doorsteps, NHS style, but in fact when we arrived, there was none of that. It just felt human. Was watching my daughter, decked out in little fairy lights, running up and down the road, having a wonderful time, and it all just felt lovely yet so desperately sad too.
Just thought id sign off tonight with this pasted from the internet. Apologies if you know this one, but it’s a letter from around 1890 from a newspaper editor in NY to a little girl asking whether Santa exists.
Good night all.
VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men’s or children’s, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.
Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
You may tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.
No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

Breaking News:

Scotland introduces tighter restrictions in anticipation of the need for tighter restrictions.

It is hoped these tighter restrictions will remove the need for tighter restrictions.

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

If the tighter restrictions don’t more tightly restrict the spread of the virus, tighter restrictions may follow.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

If tighter restrictions don’t work, then it was because people were not complying tightly enough, so even tighter restrictions will need to be extended more tightly.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Haha. That really does sum up the approach. Nobody has any backbone

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

“What Hancock doesn’t tell you is that most members of Nervtag (the new and emerging respiratory virus threats group) were actually against locking us up when they met on Friday to discuss the new strain.

According to someone with good reason to know, the majority wanted to wait for evidence about how best to respond.

No matter. The argument is pressed into service to justify the unjustifiable on national TV, to strike fresh fear into our hearts..”

Well stated David Mellor.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Mellor?

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Footjob talking about Handjob…

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Oh god – I’d forgotten that!

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CovidiousAlbion
CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago

UIN 107039, tabled on 21 October 2020

Q: “To ask the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, what proportion of covid-19 tests are undertaken using the PCR process; and what estimate he has made of the (a) number and (b) variation in number of amplification cycles in the PCR testing used to identify a positive covid-19 test result.”

A: “We do not publish data in the format requested.”

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2020-10-21/107039

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  CovidiousAlbion

There’s a few questions on the system that ask the same.

It’s a cover up. Simple. All eyes on Germany. If that case fails. I honestly don’t know what else can be done on PCR. Hopefully Eurosurveillance withdraw the Dorsten paper.

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  CovidiousAlbion

Mr Fysh to give credit where it’s due, has asked a number of credible and searching questions. However the answers to a few of his questions remain unsatisfactory

Helen Whately 25 November 2020:
“The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test is designed to detect viral RNA. Therefore, there will be cases where the PCR test is detecting remnants of viral RNA in the absence of infectious virus.
Public Health England (PHE) has not assessed the extent to which the PCR will pick up viral remnants rather than infectious virus.
An assessment of which positive cases do not reflect contagious virus would depend on individual case by case review. PHE has not performed such a review and therefore does not hold this data.”

Helen Whately 12 October 2020:
“We have made no assessment of the proportion of people who test positive who may be infectious at the time they are tested.” 

Of course Ms Whately’s answers pose a problem: compare to the FOIA and the Government document re: PCR testing.. (as well as other sources, eg. Prof. Allyson Pollock) all of which state, that PCR is not a test of infection or infectiousness…

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assoc
assoc
4 years ago

Q. How can you tell when a politician is lying?
A. Their lips move

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Ben
Ben
4 years ago

Imagine a government anywhere in the world enacting laws to eradicate a virus

It becomes clear such a tactic is using a ‘virus’ as a trojan horse for other goals

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Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Shh, don’t look, all will be well in this best of all possible worlds. Don’t you understand that we’re building Utopia just for you?

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George Mc
George Mc
4 years ago

https://www-spin-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.spin.com/2020/12/eric-clapton-van-morrison-boomer-anti-lockdown?amp=1&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spin.com%2F2020%2F12%2Feric-clapton-van-morrison-boomer-anti-lockdown%2F

“Van Morrison is still currently working on the world’s worst renaissance”

Well of course it’s the WORST! It’s anti-covid. He is therefore going to be responsible for the extinction of the human race and, even worse, killing little babies and dear grannies. In fact there’s s something even worse than all that:

“…it’s sure to be the Boomer rallying cry of anti-lockdown, anti-mask, anti-vaccination, and pro-disease people everywhere….”

Boomer! Ah nothing like whipping a bit of inter generational tension. And don’t you just hate those pro-disease people? But there’s more:

“Clapton singing lyrics like “Do you want to be a free man? Do you want to be a slave?” and “Is this a sovereign nation or just a fascist state?” seems in particularly poor taste considering he’s a rich old white guy and literally thousands of people die every single day from …”etc

Fucking rich boomer bastards moaning about not making more money while us funky but poor peasants are dying in our billions every nanosecond.

You see, those spoiled older singers just don’t take our new fashionable responsibility. They are childish enough to expect bloated luxuries like human contact and spending time AWAY from social media.

But we know better. We know that reading and obeying is the true way to rebel!

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Jesus.

I’ve been trying to think how to say this, without offending the baby boomers in the room (not my intention). I can’t. So here goes. I mean no offence to any here.

You could reasonably interpret the current situation as the boomer generation sacrificing the futures of the young (I’m neither boomer, nor young) on the altar to gain a few more months for themselves.

So the idea that Van Morrison and Clapton are self-serving when they publish this stuff is as obscene as it is ridiculous.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

Garbage is just garbage.

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You mean their bad songs or my bad argument?

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wayno
wayno
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Genuinely lost for words at how bad that article is. We are surrounded by dickheads.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  George Mc

Eric Clapton is planning to release a new version of his classic “Tiers in Heaven” so people who die can feel safe in the knowledge that God also takes their safety seriously.

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago

I was locked down in November to save Christmas. Now the restrictions I have for Christmas are tighter than what I had in November. Ever felt had?

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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

Given that a 1 month lock down led to 10 days of limited “freedom” followed by 5 days of significant restrictions, followed by an indefinite lockdown, harsher than the 1 month lockdown, one might reasonably conclude that lockdown is not an especially useful tool.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

Or that its use is not the stated purpose.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  matt

Remember when they said for the 5 days of freedom at Christmas we would have to serve 5 more days for each day

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Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
4 years ago

I thought I’d watch what was advertised as a cute video of cats being rehomed in the USA. It made me cringe. Every single person was masked including a small child despite being out of doors in a large car park. The cats looked scared as they peered at the masked faces. I switched off.

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Alethea
Alethea
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheshirecatslave

Not, I am glad to reflect, an experience on the cards for that handsome ginger individual portrayed alongside your nom de plume.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

Hold on. Did Boris lie to parliament to appease them saying that Xmas was on, then wait till they were on Xmas break before announcing his real intentions?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13523903/boris-johnson-coronavirus-christmas-cancelled-london/

MPs will be fuming as the new lockdown will be done via emergency laws – and immediately they demanded a new vote on the tougher measures.

But the Commons started its Christmas break on Thursday evening – and politicians won’t go back until January unless there’s a Brexit deal to vote on when they will be recalled.

Mr Johnson said today “there will be a chance for parliament to consider them” but it won’t be for weeks to come.

Last edited 4 years ago by Nobody2022
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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Yes.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Why bother with Parliament? They will simply rubber stamp anything the executive does regardless.

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
4 years ago

Hate to state the obvious, but Jackboot Johnson does not get to ‘cancel’ Christmas. Go and enjoy Christmas with your loved ones. Don’t be put off.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

Absolutely. I will be doing this.

In the words of Ice Cube and Dr Dre’s band of merry men the NWA, whose words I never thought I would quote in writing, ‘Fuck the police.’ Poetic.

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
4 years ago

What a bunch of twats!

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

You could be referring either to the “leadership” or to (the majority of) the people here. In either case, your observation is correct.

Last edited 4 years ago by Richard O
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matt
matt
4 years ago
Reply to  THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST

I had a different word for lady parts in mind, but yours will do.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago

Taking stock of just how far the human race has fallen this year, I think this new biosecurity paradigm (with a nod to James Corbett who coined this phrase) will last at least a generation.

So it will not be until some sunny day in the 2040s that we will wake up to any of the freedoms we have given away so carelessly and thoughtlessly this year.

Just think about being in lockdown, distancing, wearing a mask, taking an annual vaccine and being tracked 24/7 for the next 20 years, and what that is going to do to people.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

If that is where your head is at James Corbett recommends saving the information that you see is important. Get it offline. The book burning is coming. He has been reporting on this stuff for years and I think his balance is excellent. A hard job, but he does it well.

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I recommend his essay “A Letter to the Future”, written in April 2020.

https://www.corbettreport.com/letter/

“I do not write these words for my contemporaries. We are the damned. It is our lot now to watch as the lamp of liberty is extinguished, our burden to bear witness to the final flickering of the flame of freedom.

No, I don’t write these words for my peers; I write them for those yet to come. The inhabitants of that future dystopia whose birth pangs we are experiencing. The remnant of once-free humanity who might—through some miracle I can’t even imagine—come across this electronic message in a bottle.“

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

And as the whole scene crumbles this is top news in the Guardian

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Fcuk off Boris
Fcuk off Boris
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Such a fucked up world we live in. This is what they should be reporting /advertising. https://youtu.be/di3DnwbGqaE

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Fcuk off Boris

That’s the first vid I watched from the protests today. Where are the so called leaders lending their weight to these heroes?

https://youtu.be/B5LRFs54d70

If they believe the words they say, take it to the streets. NOW

Last edited 4 years ago by BeBopRockSteady
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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

China Joe is all in for the Great Reset.

Folks, we’re playing this one for all the marbles.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

The chess pieces are moving?

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Chris Hume
Chris Hume
4 years ago

Am I mad? There is a new ‘strain’ that means more lockdown. The ‘lockdown’ and its variants that hasn’t worked so far? I find the entire narrative bizzare, am I mad? The destruction of the economy and the ability of people to make a living, by Government decree. Not sure about that, am I mad? Am I mad?

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Richard O
Richard O
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

Not in the slightest, and you are in the right place to express your righteous indignation.

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PWL
PWL
4 years ago

If the BBC say so.

Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

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PWL
PWL
4 years ago

Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago

There’s a scene in Full Metal Jacket where all the privates in Boot Camp strap Private Gomer Pyle to his bed using blankets and proceed to beat him with soap wrapped in towels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsUmP1PGBGE

The reason? Because he broke the rules and they were punished for it. Even his only friend Private Joker reluctantly did a Brutus on him.

The reason I bring this up is because I noticed this evening “Selfish” trending on Twitter. Curious I had a look through the posts. Seems to be a general thread for people to air their grievances with people they consider to be selfish.

Of course there were quite a few calling out covid rulebreakers but also some blaming shoppers.

The general gist of these particular grievances – we’re in tier 4 because of your selfishness.

As with Private Pyle above, these people have been conditioned to look for somebody to blame for the “punishment” they think they’re receiving.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

…Really they should be blaming themselves for allowing the situation to arise in the first place. If they weren’t so docile about all the little things they’ve been forced to do leading up to all this then there would be no “punishment” to blame on anybody else.

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NappyFace
NappyFace
4 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

“Respondent Aggression
When two organisms are placed in the same setting and painful stimuli are delivered, the organisms may attack one another (Ulrich, Wolff, & Azrin, 1964). The fighting generated by this circumstance is called respondent aggression (or pain-elicited aggression) because it follows the presentation of aversive events. Attack occurs even though neither individual is responsible for the delivery of the painful stimuli. Ulrich and Azrin (1962) placed two rats in an operant chamber and noted that the animals showed no signs of aggression. However, when the rats were shocked, they turned and attacked each other. Elicited aggression has been documented in several species including humans (Azrin, Hutchinson, & Hake, 1963; Hutchinson, 1977), and it has been found with painful stimuli other than electric shock (Azrin, Hake, & Hutchinson, 1965). Most people recognize that they are more prone to aggression when exposed to painful stimuli.”

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NappyFace
NappyFace
4 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

https://www.clicktocurecancer.info/behavior-analysis/respondent-aggression.html

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chaos
chaos
4 years ago

Out of interest.. anyone else got the 3 little birds by Bob Marley song stuck in their heads?

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Ricky R
Ricky R
4 years ago

This news strain really has the whole of Europe panicking with all the flights getting banned. We’ll probably be back in national lockdown by January 10th and I would not be surprised if 2021 is bleaker than 2020. They dont want normality.

Is there any good news at all??

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