More Pointless, Incomprehensible, Unevidenced Restrictions Imposed on North
The Sunday papers have been trying to get their heads around what Boris is going to announce on Monday, but none of them have the details because the plan is still being thrashed out between Downing Street and regional mayors. The Sunday Times thinks the Government is moving away from its centrally-planned, top-down model towards a more federalist approach, but what local areas will be given control over sounds like pretty small beer.
Mayors will be given more control over the coronavirus test-and-trace system as ministers try to secure their support for tough new local lockdown rules due to be announced tomorrow.
In an admission that the national system is failing, ministers will empower town hall bosses to deploy an army of new local volunteers to knock on doors and ask people to self-isolate.
With COVID-19 running rampant, they want local people to take charge of controlling the spread of the virus in the hope it will generate “community spirit” and “improve compliance”.
Details of the plans were being thrashed out between Downing Street and mayors yesterday amid warnings that immediate action is needed to stop the NHS being swamped in the north of England.
Tomorrow ministers will publish new rules for local lockdowns in areas labelled “medium risk”, “high risk” and “very high risk”.
The Sunday Telegraph thinks pubs and bars are going to be closed in the North-West and North-East – but not restaurants – and people will be told to avoid travelling outside their areas and not to visit other households.
The talks included discussions about deals that would give local leaders greater autonomy over measures and testing in their area in exchange for helping to enforce and explain the rules.
Plans for the third “very high” tier are understood to include guidance asking residents not to travel outside their area other than for specific reasons such as work or education. Local mayors said they expected pubs and bars in these areas to have to close, with restaurants able to remain open until 10pm.
In telephone calls with local leaders, Boris Johnson’s aides also indicated that areas put into the third tier could face bans on multiple households mixing either indoors or outdoors.
Separately, Downing Street is inviting leaders whose areas are due to be in the “very high” tier to request the closure of specific types of hospitality or leisure venues, including beauty salons and sports centres.
That came after acknowledgement that the Government had not done enough to achieve “local buy-in” for some of the existing restrictions faced by areas with high infection rates in the North-East and the North-West.
Meanwhile, local leaders in the North are threatening legal action against the Government for not bunging their regions enough cash to secure their consent to these potty new rules. The Telegraph has more.
Northern leaders have said they “cannot accept” the financial package offered by the Government that will pay two-thirds of the wages of workers at businesses forced to close by local lockdown measures, and may launch a legal challenge.
Speaking at a press conference this afternoon, Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, said that the current financial package would “surrender our residents to hardship and our businesses to potential failure or collapse, and we are not prepared to do that”.
Mr Burnham added that the Chancellor, Rishi Sunak, had told local leaders that the package was “final and non-negotiable”. But the mayor said the package suggested that hospitality workers were “second-class citizens”, given that national furlough was much higher at 80 per cent.
Steve Rotheram, the mayor of Liverpool City region, echoed the comments and said that “imposing new restrictions without providing adequate Government support is simply not acceptable”.
According to the Mail, some Northern mayors are claiming the daily number of cases is beginning to fall.
Data on patients with Covid-19 is not comparable across the UK due to differences in the way the figures are reported.
Separate statistics show almost one in five with the virus in hospital tested positive seven days or more after admission – implying they caught it there.
The findings suggest COVID-19 hospitalisations caused by community outbreaks may not be growing as fast as some fear.
Rises in admissions have been greatest in North West England, say health officials.
But the total number of virus patients in UK hospitals is still a fraction of the peak figure of 19,849 in April.
The latest figures come as local leaders have urged the Government not to punish the North East of England with draconian lockdown restrictions forcing the closure of pubs and bars, as it is claimed the number of daily new coronavirus infections in the region has begun to fall.
Those statistics referred to above were provided by Prof Carl Heneghan and his team, as reported in the Telegraph, and show that up to a quarter of patients currently in hospital with COVID-19 caught the virus after being admitted.
One thing is clear: the authority of the Prime Minister and his Government continues to drain away at an alarming rate.
How much longer can this omnishambles continue?
Hancock Breaks 10pm Curfew in House of Commons Bar and Makes Tasteless Joke
The Mail on Sunday has a belter of a story on its front page. Hancock broke his own Covid rules about not drinking after 10pm and made a crass joke about the failures of the Government’s test and trace programme.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock was last night accused of breaking his own Covid curfew by drinking in a Commons bar beyond 10pm – where he made a crass joke about the Government’s test and trace failings.
Mr Hancock arrived at the bar just before a 9.40pm vote, ordered a glass of white wine and announced: “The drinks are on me – but Public Health England are in charge of the payment methodology so I will not be paying anything.”
His ill-conceived joke came after he had tried to explain to the Commons why the quango had lost nearly 16,000 positive coronavirus tests – a fiasco which Labour claimed had put “lives at risk”.
A senior Tory MP told the Mail on Sunday that Mr Hancock remained in the Smoking Room bar until at least 10.25pm, despite Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle insisting that Commons venues must abide by the same 10pm drink-up-and-leave curfew as all English pubs.
Is it time to send a taxi to the Department for Health and Social Care? I wrote in my Spectator column this week that Hancock was only being kept around to serve as Boris’s human shield and it may be time to initiate Operation Scapegoat.
Prophetic?
A Senior Doctor Writes…
A top NHS doctor has been checking the stats and made some interesting observations.
I spent Friday morning (when I should have been operating) running over the PHE released stats up to Oct 1st – they are obviously not up to date but there is quite a lot of info on here, though the data on the complex spreadsheet isn’t as granular as one would like, so definitive conclusions are difficult to draw.
However, there are some interesting findings.
Firstly, the number of people admitted with an already positive test is quite low as a percentage of the whole – about 20% in the last week of September.
Most ‘admissions’ are admitted without a positive test and only become ‘positive’ after two to five days when the test comes back. But about 6% to 9% test positive after eight days in hospital and these may be hospital acquired covid – Hennegan has access to more up to date figures and says in the DT today that this percentage of late positive tests is rising, possibly suggesting more hospital acquired infection.
Some of those positive swabs will be people with covid symptoms – but many are admitted with other things and the positive swab is an incidental finding as they don’t have any covid symptoms – I have heard this from anecdotal discussions, For example every patient admitted (irrespective of the reason for admission) is swabbed on admission, again at five days and weekly thereafter – any positive swab puts them into the ‘covid admission’ column regardless of reason for admission.
So the reported number of covid admissions is not the same as the number of patients with covid symptoms – in some ways it could be the same testing artefact as with the community asymptomatic tests.
The age breakdown of positive swab tests also shows a disparity in the last week of September – the positive admission swabs are skewed to a younger age group. I’m not sure what the significance of this could be as we don’t know if all these admitted patients were symptomatic for covid or not (I suspect not).
I thought the number of daily discharges of covid patients also interesting – there is quite a ‘churn’ of patients in and out of hospital with covid – again this may be asymptomatic patients or people admitted for treatment who get better quickly. Of note is that the percentage of discharges per day is higher in September (15% – 20% per day) than it was in April (8% to 10 % per day) – this might mean that a proportion of these people discharged in September were not covid symptomatic patients – i.e., admitted for routine reasons and discharged with a positive swab as an incidental finding. You can clearly see the ‘weekend effect’ in the sheet (highlighted in red) – it is more marked in September than in April as well.
The percentage of patients on ventilators is pretty constant at between 11% and 13% of the total in September (the figure for Sept 12th is clearly a counting error) – there is no age breakdown on these figs and they are a small proportion of total ventilator available beds. I’m also told that this time round there will be more scrutiny on decision making so that a greater number of patients who have minimal chance of survival will be ventilated (whereas last time round there was a cap on the ceiling of care for people with minimal chance of survival). The percentage of people in ventilated beds in April was a bit higher at about 15-16%. Also note that just because a patient is in a ventilator capable bed, it does NOT necessarily mean that the patient IS ventilated – they could quite easily be on a face mask – its one way of massaging the data… I do know that the ‘planners’ are assuming that we will not be short of ventilators this time and that more patients can be managed by CPAP – this is important as the main issue last time was managing a lot of intubated patients and the lack of ITU nurses – much easier to manage if they aren’t tubed. This has major implications as last time the critical skills shortage in London was ICU nurses. I wrote a paper about it in May suggesting that over the summer we needed to rapidly upskill the junior ICU nursing cohort – predictably, nothing has been done.
The Year the NHS Failed the People of Britain
A GP and regular reader of Lockdown Sceptics has sent me an angry letter about how the NHS has been failing patients since last March. What pushed her over the edge was a brain-dead tweet by the Health Secretary praising the NHS. Here’s the opening section:
I am a UK GP and feel devastated at the catastrophe unfolding before us and the harm that governmental decisions (un-debated, unchallenged and ignoring the evidence) have done. The last straw was Matt Hancock’s October 9th tweet
To which I say, what utter rot. As a GP I know hospital activity is less, because we get fewer inpatient/outpatient letters from them, and many of those we do request us to do tests that they are no longer inclined to do. When I see a patient with life-threatening symptoms they are terrified to go to hospital, fearing Covid. Cancer screening has been suspended, and cancer diagnostic tests are delayed, scanty and often not the optimal tests – I am already aware of delayed cancer diagnoses and treatment. Outpatient waits for people with disabling, unstable, chronic conditions have soared. Mental health services are overwhelmed with little face-to-face contact. We continue to see people but the ‘guidance’ from up above makes us triage everyone, limit numbers in our waiting room, wear masks, wipe things down and this significantly slows our throughput. This is made worse by our having key staff frequently and suddenly absent due to requirement to isolate should their child, as children do, get a transient cough. Despite this, in our large practice, not a single one of us has been diagnosed with Covid, despite our likely contact in the earlier days of the pandemic. The evidence for these heightened hygiene measures are non-existent – we have never done it in high flu prevalence years, and it should be noted they are not preventing a continued ‘average’ stream of flu deaths at present, which by far exceed current deaths from Covid. Two metre separation is entirely arbitrary and I have read no compelling evidence regarding cloth masks, yet plenty, including from the British Medical Journal, to indicate they increase risk. My experience is that they constrain communication and invoke fear.
Worth reading in full.
Latest Polling Data: Public Still Gulled
I got an email yesterday afternoon from Opinium with its latest polling data. pretty depressing reading, although support for the 10pm curfew is falling.
Overall, the public support the latest COVID-19 restrictions. Seven in ten (72%) support the notion that people should work from home wherever possible, 71% agree that face masks should be compulsory for bar staff and non-seated customers, shop workers and waiters and 70% agree with the introduction of table service only in bars, restaurants and pubs.
There are lower levels of support for a potential “circuit breaker” lockdown where hospitality venues close for a short period (58%) and continuing the “rule of six” and limits on socialising over Christmas (55%). Meanwhile 44% support pubs, bars and restaurants closing at 10pm (vs. 27% opposing), almost half (49%) support limiting guests at wedding from 30 to 15. Two-thirds also support fines for not wearing masks or following rules increasing to £200 for first offence
There has however been a drop in the number of people who support the 10pm closure of pubs, bars and restaurants. A fortnight ago, 58% supported the measure while 16% opposed. This week, 44% supported this measure while 27% oppose.
In line with the above, people are continuing to err on the side of caution when it comes to the measures in place. Half (53%) lean towards the view that coronavirus threatens a large number of lives and we need strong measures in place to keep us safe. On the other hand, 24% lean more towards the belief that the measures in place are too damaging and we need to learn to live with Coronavirus for the time being. The vast majority of people (88%) are still generally or strictly following the rules.
Boris’s Willing Executioners
We like to tell ourselves that Hitler could never have risen to power Britain. But seeing vast numbers of the British public leap at the opportunity to become Covid enforcers and informants has put paid to that myth. It could have happened here. Bella Wallersteiner, a Lockdown Sceptics reader and Parliamentary assistant, has written an original piece for us today about the creeping authoritarianism that the Covid pandemic has given rise to. Here’s the opening section:
It has been nearly 31 years since the Berlin Wall came down to reveal 69 miles of files amassed by the Ministry of State Security (Stasi) as it spied on more than 5.6 million citizens of the former German Democratic Republic. The archive holds films, photographs, recordings of phone conversations, mind-blowingly tedious reports of mundane conversations and interactions between neighbours and even samples of sweat collected by punctilious officers hoping to win a medal or promotion. We have a supercilious and unfounded belief that British citizens would act differently and rise above compliance with an authoritarian state. Do we not cherish individualism, freedom of speech and make fun of our politicians?
Evidence from the first month of lockdown suggests that many of us harbour an inner Stasi: in April the UK Police received 194,000 calls from members of the public snitching on neighbours alleged to have broken lockdown rules by making an unnecessary journey, going for more than one walk a day or checking on a second home. So much for the doughty spirit of British non-conformity and defiant anti-authoritarianism.
More recently, the police arrested 32 protesters at the Resist and Act for Freedom Rally in Trafalgar Square on September 19th. The media focused almost entirely on the lunatic fringe of anti-vaxxers and 5G conspiracy theorists and chose to ignore the majority of the protesters who turned up for a peaceful demonstration with banners and placards proclaiming “This is now Tyranny” and chanting “Freedom!”
Worth reading in full.
Joint Letter in Times From Matt Ridley and Others
There was an excellent “we, the undersigned” letter in the Times yesterday written by a clutch of peers, including Matt Ridley. It’s exactly the same message as the Great Barrington Declaration.
Sir, It is now clear that a policy of lockdown failed to bring the virus under control while having crippling economic and social side effects. Sweden has achieved a lower death rate from COVID-19 than the UK, with far less economic and social damage, despite being a slightly more urbanised society. If lockdown were a treatment undergoing a clinical trial, the trial would be halted because of the side effects. We suggest the Government try a new approach, more in keeping with the Conservative philosophy of individual responsibility. Anyone who wishes to be locked down, whether because they are vulnerable or for other reasons, should be supported in doing so safely. Anyone who wishes to resume normal life, and take the risk of catching the virus, should be free to do so. The choice would be ours.
Lord Ridley; Lord Cavendish of Furness; Lord Dobbs; Lord Hamilton of Epsom; Lord Howard of Rising; Lord Lamont of Lerwick; Lord Lilley; Lord Mancroft; Baroness Meyer; Baroness Noakes; Lord Robathan; Lord Shinkwin
Free Speech Under Attack
I’ve been busy over the last few days defending my friend Darren Grimes, the journalist who’s been threatened with arrest by the police because of things Dr David Starkey said when Darren interviewed him at the end of June. I’m pleased to say Darren is a member of the Free Speech Union so we’ve been able to arrange pro bono legal support in the form of a top flight criminal solicitor called Luke Gittos. You can read about this outrageous assault on press freedom in the Mail. The support for Darren has been almost universal, and his defenders include an ex-Home Secretary as well as the current one. I’d be amazed if the police don’t drop this like a hot potato. This should never have been a police matter.
But there are three other recent victims of censorship I wanted to draw your attention to and urge you to sign the petitions supporting them.
The first is a petition expressing support for Bruce Gilley, a professor of political science at Portland State, who has been cancelled for the second time in three years. In 2017, the editors of Third World Quarterly, an academic journal, started getting death threats after publishing an essay by Professor Gilley called “The Case For Colonialism” and promptly deleted it from their website. Now, the same thing’s happened again. He has written a book about Sir Alan Burns, a post-war colonial governor who argued that Britain was decolonising too quickly, that was due to be published by Rowman & Littlefield this month. However, the publishers have now decided not to go ahead after a petition objecting to the book was started by Joshua Moufawad-Paul, a self-described “Maoist”. Even though the petition hasn’t even managed to scrape up 1,000 signatures, it was too much for the panty-waists at Rowman & Littlefield. Professor Gilley has written about the episode for the Wall St Journal. Please sign the petition to show your solidarity with him.
The second is a petition in support of Mark Crispin Miller, a professor in NYU’s Department of Media, Culture and Communication, who got into trouble for urging his students to review all the scientific studies on the effectiveness of wearing masks, including those suggesting they’re ineffective that Google has shadow-banned. This was for a class he teaches on propaganda. One of his students made a flurry of complaints, claiming he was endangering public health, and as a result the university has asked him not to teach his propaganda class next term. Please sign this petition to express your support for academic freedom.
Finally, a petition has been started urging The Hist, a society at Trinity College, Dublin, to reissue its invitation to the biologist Richard Dawkins after he was no-platformed last month. The College Historical Society – known as the Hist – recently disinvited Professor Richard Dawkins on the grounds that things he’d said on Twitter about Islam and sexual assault would make the members feel uncomfortable. I wrote a letter in my capacity as General Secretary of the Free Speech Union to the head of the Hist on 30th September, urging her to honour the original invitation, but so far she hasn’t replied. Please sign this petition, which makes the same request.
Is it Time to Retire the “Bedwetter” Jibe?
I got an email from an elderly gentleman who thinks our use of the term “bedwetters” to describe those who are excessively concerned about catching COVID-19 – and think the rest of us should be too – is unacceptable.
I am very grateful for Lockdown Sceptics and often find myself (a) wishing to refer other people to items published on the site, and (b) wishing to make a financial contribution. But, unfortunately, I find myself unable to do either of these things for the following reason…
You frequently use the term “bedwetter” as a term of disapprobation. I agree that those to whom you apply the term deserve the disapproval, and very possibly also a measure of disdain, but surely you can see that the epithet “bedwetter” — which, after all, denotes a rather distressing disability, whether of mind or body or both — really cannot be an acceptable way of expressing this in civilised discourse.
I am old enough that I can remember when the designations “spastic” or “spaz” were considered acceptable ways of mocking other people’s clumsiness or physical incompetence. I think it’s fair to say that pretty much everybody in civilised modern societies now understands that that is simply not on. I fail to see why mocking someone’s excessive timidity using the epithet “bedwetter” is any different.
I hope I have persuaded you to change your ways. If so, please publish something on the site saying that you intend to do so, and why (I have no objection to your quoting what I have written, although I definitely do not wish my name to be published), and send me a link to that item on the site. If on the other hand you publish something about this on the site, prefaced with “A Bedwetter Writes …”, then I shall know what to conclude!
What do people think? Is it time to retire this insult?
Round-Up
- “Global perspective of COVID‐19 epidemiology for a full‐cycle pandemic” – New paper by Professor John Ioannidis. Been peer reviewed. He estimates the global infections fatality rate at between 0.15% and 0.2% and recommends a targeted, precise approach to managing the pandemic
- “Three Quarters of People with SARS-CoV-2 Infection are Asymptomatic: Analysis of English Household Survey Data” – New paper from a couple of boffins at UCL
- “COVID-19: A Data Driven Reality Check” – Ramesh Thakur, former Assistant General Secretary of the UN and a Professor at the Australian National University, sets out the case against lockdowns
- “Still think Johnson cares about liberty? I have a bridge to sell you” – Michael Curzon in Bournbrook Magazine isn’t happy with the PM
- James Delingpole Interviews the Fat Emperor – James’s guest on the Delingpod this week is Ivor Cummins, leading lockdown sceptic
- “Ireland and Europe’s Viral Outlook – what does the Latest Data say?” – And here’s Ivor’s latest YouTube video
- “Stop scaring us into an economic abyss” – Stuart Rose, the Chairman of Ocado, urges the Government to stop pumping out death porn propaganda, scrap the 10pm curfew and let us all get on with our lives
- “Schoolchildren are banned from singing Happy Birthday in the classroom over fears it could spread coronavirus” – What utter nonsense
- “If anyone tries to force apart mourners at my funeral, I’ll be back to haunt them!” – Peter Hitchens in the Mail on Sunday on the cruelty of not letting people comfort one another at funerals
- “A SARS-CoV-2 vaccine – don’t hold your breath” – Dr Malcolm Kendrick warns that vaccines are being rushed through and will almost certainly be ineffective
- Review of Cynical Theories – Dr David Butterfield, a Senior Lecturer in Classics at Cambridge, reviews James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose’s book for Don’t Divide Us
- “Boris Johnson becoming ‘new Maggie’ as coronavirus lockdown rules cripple the North” – The Mirror doesn’t mean this as a compliment
- “COVID GESTAPO: Boris Orders Marshals To Target Weddings and Pubs Wearing Body Cameras” – Politicalite has the details”
- “‘He became a hero’: Bolsonaro sees popularity surge as COVID-19 spreads” – Disobliging piece about Bolsonaro by the Guardian‘s “Global development” team which, according to a disclaimer, is supported by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
- “Is the ‘cure’ worse than Covid? Driven to despair by lockdown, two of Professor Angus Dalgleish’s colleagues took their own lives… and compelled him to join a growing rebellion against Cromwellian restrictions” – Excellent piece by rogue prof
- “Anti-face mask protesters chant ‘Freedom’ as they descend on Downing Street to demand end to lockdown” – Article in the Sun about yesterday’s protest outside Downing Street
- “Students arrive at Bristol Uni wearing hazmat suits after 300 freshers told to isolate in halls” – I thought this would be a story about an amusing rag week stunt. But no. Bedwetters, apparently
- “Ex-BBC star Sue Cook, 71, accuses broadcaster of unbalanced Covid coverage and pushing too hard to shut down UK by forever ‘wheeling out’ ‘Professor Lockdown’ Neil Ferguson over other scientists” – Excellent intervention from former Crimewatch host. Sounds like she’d make a good witness in the Free Speech Union’s Judicial Review of Ofcom’s “coronavirus guidance”
- “Spanish way of life at risk in Madrid as second lockdown threatens to kill off restaurants” – Depressing piece in the Telegraph
- “End of the liner – cruise dreams lie rusting at the shipbreakers” – The Times reveals that vast holiday vessels are being scrapped off the coast of Turkey, their pianos given away as presents
- “Professor Sunetra Gupta on the Perils of Disease Modelling” – Prophetic piece written by Prof Sunetra Gupta nearly 20 years ago about the hubris of mathematical modellers
- “WHO (Accidentally) Confirms Covid is No More Dangerous Than Flu” – The WHO’s Head of Health Emergencies Program “best estimates” put IFR of Covid at 0.14%
- “This crisis is tearing apart the underpinnings of Western democracy” – Janet Daly is at her wit’s end in the Telegraph
- “Did the lockdown work in Wuhan?” – Good blog post by George Dance
- “Average age of coronavirus fatalities is 82” – The Times reveals that the average age of Covid fatalities is 82.4
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Two today: “Gimme Some Truth” by John Lennon and “The North Will Rise Again” by the Fall.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.49 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: The Chair of the BMA, Dr Chaand Nagpaul, has urged the Government to make masks mandatory in all outdoor settings and indoor settings. He also said alcohol sales should be restricted in England, just as they now are in Scotland. What else, Dr Feelbad? A ban on sweets? Whistling to be made illegal because it might spread the virus? The same GP who’s written the angry letter we’ve published on Lockdown Sceptics today has sent us another email about this codswallop.
I am a member of the BMA and no-one has asked the membership what they think. As far as I can see, this is the BMA Chair going unilaterally off piste and making an unevidenced dictat. I note neither he, nor anyone on SAGE, has cited any reliable randomised control trials to indicate they will make a blind bit of difference.
The Great Barrington Declaration
If you Google “Great Barrington Declaration”, the top hit you get is a smear piece in the Byline Times, an obscure, online magazine that traffics in left-wing conspiracy theories. One of the three videos linked to at the top of the results page is an interview with Devi Sridhar telling Channel 4 News that the Declaration is not “scientific”. That’s rich considering the three main signatories – Professor Sunetra Gupta, Professor Martin Kulldorff and Professor Jay Bhattacharya – are all eminent scientists, whereas Devi has a PhD is in social anthropology. If you continue scrolling through the Google search results, you cannot find a link to the Declaration. It has been shadow banned. Discussion of the it has also been censored by Reddit.
You can find it here. Please sign it. It now has over 200,000 signatories – no thanks to Google or Reddit. On the contrary, the attempt to suppress it is having a Streisand effect. I spoke to Jeffrey Tucker yesterday, Editorial Director of the American Institute for Economic Research, which hosted the scientific conference at its headquarters in Great Barrington that led to the Declaration. He told me the website that hosts the petition experienced 10,000 denial-of-service attacks within the first few hours of going live. Pro-lockdown zealots on social media have been encouraging their followers to sign the petition with names like “Dr Bananas” in order to discredit it, keeping Jeffrey and his staff busy as they go through the signatories, weeding out the fakes. But these sophomoric attempts to discredit it have backfired. The petition just keeps gathering momentum.
Stop Press: The Declaration now has over 250,000 signatures, including over 7,000 medical and public health scientists and more than 20,000 medical practitioners.
Google Update: The correct link does now come up in the first page of Google searches in Google UK. I hope I played a small part in persuading the tech giant to reconsider. I tweeted about it yesterday and that tweet got more than 9,000 likes and among those replying to it, endorsing the Great Barrington Declaration strategy, was Elon Musk, a lockdown sceptic with ~40 million followers.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
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And Finally…
This YouTube video about the way politicians try and shame their opponents into accepting ever rising levels of sate interference in their lives is brilliant.
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Well what do you know!!!
Now I’ll read.
Forward to your MPs – It’s better than doing nothing
‘STOP locking-down to control Covid’: Britain’s WHO envoy pleads with world leaders to stop using lockdowns as their ‘primary’ means of tackling virus because it is ‘doubling’ global poverty
Dr Davie Nabarro blasted lockdowns as ‘primary means of controlling Covid-19’
WHO envoy said world poverty would ‘double’ by 2021 as a result of lockdowns
His calls echo growing concerns of scientists who oppose lockdown measures
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8825949/Coronavirs-UK-Britains-envoy-tells-government-stop-locking-down.html
World Health Organization Tells Leaders To End The Lockdowns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4PuvmWqp4k&list=WL&index=150
WHO call lockdowns “a catastrophe” -.
I guess that’s a good step, though I worry what they propose instead – Test,Track & Trace, vaccine & health passports?
“WHO call lockdowns a catastrophe”
First sensible words from WHO since pre-BMGF days.
Nabarro for sidelining?
So now YouTube must ban anything pro-lockdown?
My guess is they are realising that making billions from vaccines doesn’t do you much good if it’s in the context of a Mad Max landscape.
I can only see this as an attempt to undermine national governments in order to install ‘their’ governmental structures. Call me a cynic but this kind of shit stinks of the NWO creep to me.
Replace national governments with WHO government structures. How could you tell the difference ?
Good point. I guess I meant the illusion of change!
What an idiotic comment.
Interesting point!
The WHO woman who said the mask u-turn had been due to political pressure hasn’t been heard from since.
Watch this space and wait for any response to Nabarro. Should tell us how the land lies.
because local despots wielding regional control over local conditions under global oversight will be much more in your face.
He must be censored!!!!!
Great idea. Done.
So the WHO start the panic with dodgy mortality rate figures and praising the China response and NOW they’re saying this?
This is going to end so very very badly…
As I Walked Out
Van Morrison
Gets straight to the point about lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOaiWTfvOk
“As I Walked Out”
As I walked out all the streets were empty
The government said everyone should stay hope
And they spread fear and loathing and no hope for the future
Not many did question this very strange move
Well, on the government website from the 21st March 2020
It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk
Then two days later they put us under lockdown
Then why are we not being told the truth?
By all the media outlets and the government lackeys
Why is this not big news, why is it being ignored?
Why no checks and balances, why no second opinions?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
As I walked out all the streets were empty
The government said everyone should stay hope
And they spread fear and loathing and no hope for the future
Not many did question this very strange move
But on the government website from the 21st March 2020
It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk
Then two days later Boris put us under lockdown
Why are we not being told the truth?
By all the media outlets and the government lackeys
Why is this not big news, why is it being ignored?
Why no checks and balances, why no second opinions?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Simple, but effective, well done Van the Man.
The British Medical Association want us to wear masks outdoors, also backed by a SAGE member. This is the usual rhetoric leading to mandation. The Daily Mail readership are none to happy judging by the comments.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8825843/Coronavirus-UK-Doctors-say-masks-mandatory-inside-outside.html
04.30 Sunday. Almost the entire first page of comments sceptical except
“If you use the NHS you should do as you are told”, voted down 57-1.
Let them bring it on say I. We all see the confirmed facenappers (h/t thinkaboutit) who voluntarily wear masks outdoors. Then there are those who do not wear them when they ‘should’, either because exempt, careless or sheer bloody mindedness.
We need to identify the third group, those that ‘work to rule’ by slipping them on as they enter a shop but ripping them off as soon as they leave. It is obvious they hate the bloody things but go along with it because.
Obliging them to submit whenever outside would make many of them come out full on Sceptic.
The BMA is a trade union which exists to protect its members; both from the virus, and from legal cases from people who have been denied treatment for life-threatening diseases and the relatives of those who have died. They know that ‘masks’ outside are bollocks; they are trying to cover their backs.
I intend to break the law on this so it would be useful to know of sceptical solicitors who would take the case.
I’m a non-mask wearer and as I’m deliberately breaking the law, I wouldn’t dream of claiming an exemption. I don’t mind if I DO get arrested. A criminal record at my age (50-something) when the naughtiest thing I’ve ever done is go at 38 mph in a 30 zone on a Sunday afternoon would be rather fun, I think. And I don’t have a career to wreck or anything.
My husband isn’t a practising lawyer but he can offer advice and point you in the right direction if necessary.
If you look at the guidelines, you’ll see that EVERYONE can legally claim exemption anyway.
Bring it on. I too feel that will be the final straw. I’m surprised the indoor mandate wasn’t, but it did have a sort of logic, if wrong. There is absolutely ZERO justification for wearing a mask outdoors, unless you live in an area with very high diesel smut pollution.
Easy to prove outdoor mask wearing is about control, not health.
I wonder how many of the people who believe “if you use the NHS you should do as you are told” are fat?
I think it was someone being mischievous to wind up the Mail readers.
Yep, this is the usual route.
Watch out of the Daily Telegraph “leak” then the policy appearing in Scotland.
Usually hits the UK in a week or two.
Yes, it could be something like, MacFishface saying she’ll relax lockdowm 2, but in return, we all have to cover up everywhere. Then Nanny Boris follows a couple of weeks later.
For anyone living in a rural area like I do, wherever in the UK, it will be interesting to see how many walkers, dog walkers etc will actually cover their faces.
Could be depressing!
I was looking at the parliamentary petitions yesterday, the ones that are “calling for” masks have a TINY amount of signatures. ABSOLUTELY PUNY, like 500 odd signatures. In fact a lot of them “calling for” harsher measures have pathetic support. It shows the government pay no attention to petitions and do what they want.
They probably pay attention but choose to ignore them.
It isn’t the BMA. As the GP points out today, BMA members haven’t been consulted about this. It’s just the Chair flying a kite.
Having wrapped itself round a power line with luck. The great restart.
Very interesting, The BMA is the trade union and professional body for doctors in the UK.
A trade union is an association of workers forming a legal unit or legal personhood, usually called a “bargaining unit”, which acts as bargaining agent and legal representative for a unit of employees in all matters of law or right arising from or in the administration of a collective agreement.
I guess it is not that uncommon for trade unions to push their own agendas, but I would not expect that from a Professional body.
I’m thinking of sending the following to the BMA. (Yesterday somebody supplied the email address as media_affairs@bma.org.uk)
Dear BMA
Sometimes a reasoned argument is the best approach, but at other times a more direct statement is appropriate.
You can stuff your stinking mask up your shitty arse, then ram it down your throat till you choke.
Now fuck off.
Yours sincerely
Boris Handcock
I emailed them your last two words. Seemed sufficient to me.
Did the same myself told them to Foxtrot Oscar!!
Ironically, bringing this in could be beneficial.
What better way of waking up the apathetic sheep? I have been trying to convince people of the real reasons for this virus charade – 4th industrial revolution, total surveillance, WEF & Great Reset, agenda 2030 totalitarianism via digital immunity passports etc. and nothing registers. ‘What if you had to wear a mask outside?’… Answer : ‘well that’s different’
God save us all if the majority comply though…
Is Scaredypants acceptable ?
An insult that describes what they actually do would work.
Facenappers?
I like that
Maskholes
The Gagged.
Although such a term is fine amongst ourselves, I feel that it will probably make it more difficult to convert anyone who might feel offended. Remember it is the fault of the incessant propaganda on those that do not regularly look for alternatives to the MSM.
The comments this lady has regarding masks might make people think twice about using them:-
https://www.facebook.com/MargaretLMackay/videos/2692093274337482/
We have a preponderance of scientific, anecdotal, medical and economic opinions on our side. They don’t seem to be able to gain converts at any rate.
Are you saying it’s because we’ve adopted a pejorative term for the enemy?
Give me strength.
I’ve never felt using bedwetters was fine.
Incontinence is a very distressing condition that affects thousands of unfortunates for various reasons, some due to trauma, some medical – including botched operations.
It should not be used in ridicule.
You have no idea how ridiculously insipid you sound.
And it’s damn funny, by the way, as most serious things involving health complications surely are if you don’t take yourself or others terribly seriously to begin with. My gramma could laugh about it, and plenty of burdened adults can handle their emotions just fine. Enough of this effeminate moralizing!
As a person who has to self catheterise I understand your point but think bedwetters is apt
Coronanists, mask debaters
I’m partial to ‘Pueyoistas’, but perhaps that’s too obscure.
Someone on here a few days ago suggested “Branch Covidians” because of the cult-like religious zeal.
Brilliant!
Suppressionists.
They want to suppress the virus.
They suppress daily life.
They suppress the economy.
They suppress the health service.
They suppress socialising.
They suppress student life.
They suppress common sense.
They suppress debate.
Just COLLABORATORS!
Or Maskateers?
Actually, let’s just continue using ‘bedwetters’. It’s far easier than having a multiplicity of terms and filling up this forum with imaginative ways to be disparaging, however clever they may be. Because the new disparaging term may well be cancel-cultured too.
More importantly, to retain the term we have used since the start of this panicdemic supports free speech.
Quite. The enemy would be very happy that we’re arguing amongst ourselves about what – ahem – watered down pejorative to apply to our nemesis.
Why not use a word which in itself is inoffensive but only becomes offensive when used in context. My suggestion would be “Hancock”.
Example:
“Did you see Fred in his hazmat suit?”
“Yeah, he’s a right Hancock he is.”
OR,
“Just been to the pub and they’re all masked up.”
“Yeah, they’re all Hancocks in there.”
I generally call them what they are: hypochondriacs….
We’re not talking censorship here, merely the choice of something more appropriate.
Falklands warriors were forbidden to call the islanders Bennys (thicko from Coronation St or Crossroads? ).
An Officer later queried
“What do you mean by calling them ‘Stills’?”
‘Still Bennys Sah!’.
They banned that as well, so they became “Andies”.
And ‘ey’re still Bennies…
Norfolk Nunu-bugs?
Berkshire Hunts?
I think the term “bedwetter” is perfectly acceptable … and in fact applies to the “gentlemen” who wrote to complain … its no different than saying someone is “drunk” with power … serious adults know you don’t mean they are actually “drunk” or an alcoholic … the writer is not a serious adult and frankly BS’ing about being a fan of the site …
Outbreaks of prudishness are just as deadly to fun as the ‘rona. Bedwetters ALWAYS find a way!
Agree
Quite. Anyone can see that bedwetter is a mockery of infantile cowardice, not of actual bed-wetting associated with early youth or old age. There’s hardly a more polite description for them either. If some old git really wants to stop reading LS because he dislikes its use of the pejorative, I’d say he was cutting off his nose to spite his face.
Well said, Ben. Given how close our hand basket is to hell, what true sceptic has the time or the energy to nitpick such a triviality?
Where is Dr Jordan Peterson?, a man whose favourite book is the The Gulag Archipelago (a warning about doing nothing when facing tyranny). He even wrote the forward to the most recent reprint last year. The explantion for his total silence is that he has had a breakdown due to the death of his wife, If I were a suspicious person I would say how convenient.
“What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?”
“If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
His illness started long before C-19.
Indeed, he has. He’s been in Russia for specialist treatment and his opponents were clearly overjoyed by his suffering.
Like those of Mr Trump with the Covid.
It was seeing one of Dr. Petersons videos with the front cover of The Gulag Archipelago as its little picture icon (?) that first led me to his YouTube site.
I read Solzhenitsyn when 14-15 which confirmed and extended my understanding of what totalitarianism meant.
From what I gather neither that book nor One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich are currently taught in UK universities.
Bizarrely he Dr Peterson sought treatment for his breakdown in Russia and the last I heard was a short video from his daughter saying he was well but resting.
Not so bizarre if the treatment was not available elsewhere. i can see the day when we’re flying to Moscow for a filling in that front tooth.
Will the NHS be saving any of our money by not actually doing anything ?
A year since I last had a dental check up due 1 in may , the practice cancelled it but assured me that it would be re arranged for a few weeks time?
An excellent and subtle question! I sometimes wonder if the prolongation of the incarceration is just the medics panicking that we’ll spot that their pills and potions don’t work much of the time.
Jordan Peterson was really the first to take on the woke brigade in 2016 when he took a stance against Canadian human rights legislation that prohibits discrimination based on gender identity or expression. He was especially frustrated with the requirement to use alternative pronouns as demanded by trans students or staff, which he recognised as an affront to free speech.
It is very sad he is not well enough to challenge what is going on today, he would be making such an important contribution towards ending this nonsense.
He seems to be recovering slowly. Diazepam is a hell of a drug.
Very effective and quite good fun if you can stick to just using it for a week as I once did 30 years ago to get over an alcohol episode.
Had me crying over The Waltons ffs.
I second that. Including the bit about Dr Lector.
I’m a Nurse of 33 years standing.I haven’t treated an ‘active case’ since April.I’m appalled and frustrated by this ongoing farce.Active or passive resistance is the only way forward.I forgot the British public was gelded many years ago.
Good one.
Not normally one for conspiracy theories but it occured to me that perhaps Curfew itself is the whole point.
Repressive regimes generally impose curfews once Civil Unrest is getting out of hand.
With most of the population being interred at home for three months any lesser measures seem relatively liberal. We had a few months of this relative liberality before the government started its creeping second lockdown with Leicester.
If it had faced a backlash it could easily have retreated. Backlash there was none and so they creep ever onwards even though local lockdowns have no effect on the now fake Pandemic.
Come March we will have accepted a 10.30 complete curfew since there’s nothing to do after then anyway.
Those permitted to work will will have to go straight there and back with perhaps a stop in a shop.
Each block of 30-50 households will comprise a Superbubble each with its resident Safety Marshal whose permission must be sort to contact anyone from a different Superbubble.
With that firmly in place what measures could a malign government led by President Tobias Elwood not take ?
Not a conspiracy theory anymore, there is a conspiracy to take away our freedoms.
No government gives back freedoms willingly.
Reference your comment about “Safety Marshals”:
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
– Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”
Precisely Richard
https://dailysceptic.org/letter-from-a-gp/
I could really feel her anger as I read this; I was pretty angry myself.
This letter should be on the front page of every national newpaper.
Print it off and put it in the letterbox of local GP practises and schools
Good idea.
I’m supposed to be seeing my GP at his surgery this week (cancelled by surgery 3 times already).
First stop will be him; I’ll take a copy with me.
What made me even more angry is that this GP has written this letter after receiving letters from NHS about his health problems. It is now affecting him personally.
He didn’t write a letter before the restrictions affected him personally.
I’ll admit I did wonder about that, too, but I was prepared to give the benefit of doubt.
My wife, on the other hand, thinks exactly as you do.
Re: the opinion poll story.
I’m not really surprised by the figures, given that the majority of respondents probably get their ‘facts’ and figures from the BBC TV news and website.
Opinion polls are not reliable. Let’s see if/how much they change as unemployment climbs towards ten million.
Agreed about unreliability, but I think/hope attitudes will change dramatically after Bojo/Handjob announce their new shutdown on Monday.
I doubt they’ll change. Quite a few people at work seem to have fallen for the govt blame the people strategy. ‘Its everyone’s fault for not following lockdown’, they usually change their tune once I point out a few facts, but I fear the damage is done.
We also don’t know how many of these “polls” are rigged. Remember that the government was (allegedly) getting over 90% support in the early days. We’ve come a long way since then.
Just one more push…
They’re conducted by the usual suspects- YouGov or Ipsos Mori and are never reliable. I’ve long suspected that they’re rigged or outright faked.
The tune will change once unemployment and bankruptcy beckons. As is tax raids on pensions and savings.
Please Forward to your MPs – It’s better than doing nothing
‘STOP locking-down to control Covid’: Britain’s WHO envoy pleads with world leaders to stop using lockdowns as their ‘primary’ means of tackling virus because it is ‘doubling’ global poverty
Dr Davie Nabarro blasted lockdowns as ‘primary means of controlling Covid-19’
WHO envoy said world poverty would ‘double’ by 2021 as a result of lockdowns
His calls echo growing concerns of scientists who oppose lockdown measures
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8825949/Coronavirs-UK-Britains-envoy-tells-government-stop-locking-down.html
World Health Organization Tells Leaders To End The Lockdowns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4PuvmWqp4k&list=WL&index=150
WHO call lockdowns “a catastrophe” -.
Glad that even the WHO have turned.
A Bedwetter wetting himself over the use of a perfectly descriptive word in a non-literal and surgically-poetically-precise way?
He can go wet himself, he can
Sounds like something a ‘wetter would say.
We’re gonna need a thicker ply!
Hang in there guys.
Lockdown is disappearing where I live.
I see people going to my neighbours houses all the time.
Masks not in shops
People are now fed up it all.
Sweet words!
We look to the sturdy northerners to kick over the traces. Once mass non-compliance starts, all the Fascists will be able to do is call in the tanks. That will make them look really, really good, won’t it?
I’m afraid that I live in the north and as a southerner here for years I’ve been called a soft southerner by northerners, yet my experience now where I live is that they are nearly all going along with it with very limited resistance. Sturdiness isn’t a term I’d use given what I’ve seen!
I’ll tell you how good it will look, because one of two things will happen.
Firstly, the officer commanding tanks, troops, etc, will query what his rules of engagement are. If none have been given, he will be unable to command his troops to open fire. They are unlikely to even leave their barracks in this scenario.
Secondly, if such rules of engagement have been given, the same officer will weigh up several options. After the events of the past few years, one thing will be at the forefront of his mind: What are the chances at some point in the future, that I and my men will be prosecuted? At this point, they will return to barracks if, indeed, they ever left them at all.
I doubt very much that a single round will be fired. And the government will be left with a lot of egg, shells and all, on their faces.
I take your point but it didn’t work for Jean Charles de Menezes.
The army, unlike the Police, are not trained to regard the public as the enemy.
Agreed. It’s difficult to be sure of anything nowadays, but I am as sure as I can be that British troops would never fire on British people. It’s not like Tienanmen Square where my understanding is that troops were brought in from other parts of China who wouldn’t feel much affinity with Beijing people.
The officers would also consider the effect of any such policy on morale. Ordering troops to fire on civilians, their compatriots, and possibly friends, family and neighbours, would be something that would be likely to undermine military discipline.
There is precedence for this.
During the last days of the Soviet Union the Communist old guard tried to use the army to attack Boris Yeltsin in the Moscow Parliament building.
The Speznatz special forces were ordered to join the attack but they held a vote and decided not to….the rest as they say, is history.
AGREED.
Are you in a lockdown area ?
Which area, please?
Yes, and also minimal compliance. Can smell the change coming now. Buy popcorn, enjoy the show.
It’s not a tasteless joke… Just a moment of truth. Who knows, maybe he’s beginning to doubt a bit as well?
So… I always took “bedwetter” as a term implying that the person was behaving like an infant (as young children were the bed), rather than mockery of incontinence.
Anti lockdown demo fairly reported in Local Live (mirror group news).
Crowd of about 75 played music, banners against lockdown measures “masks are muzzles”, “restore our freedom” and “hey boris leave our rights alone”.
Police were in attendance but did not intervene.
Of more importance than the demo itself, which will have been seen by relatively few, is that it was reported, without negative comment, in the MSM.
Where?
S/W
Is the lack of tourists because Thailand won’t let them in or because we can’t get there ?
I have a theory. I discussed this in the bar yesterday with someone who had worked in medical research and had hands on experience with PCR testing. His opinion on my theory was that I had likely lost my mental balance to suggest such a thing. Nevertheless, I still arrogantly believe that I am mentally stable so I hereby present my theory.
Looking at the published figures from PHE there has been an increase in the positivity rate for PCR tests from 0.5 – 1.0% a few weeks ago to 2.0 – 5% now. It is assumed that this is because the infection is spreading, which could be true, yet it really is not showing up clearly in the numbers of sick or dead people so perhaps there is another reason.
My theory is that molecules (or fragments of dead SARS Cov-2 RNA) are distributed everywhere. Enough people have now had the virus and shed these molecules into the environment through respiration, perspiration, urination and faeces to spread these molecules far and wide.
It is well documented that these molecules are detectable in sewage and surface water even at PCR Ct values of 25-30. Add to this that the old clay pipe or brick tunnel sewage system in the UK is particularly leaky and I think we can assume that the groundwater is equally contaminated.
I have raised the question before about what happens to the lab waste from the testing programmes where the detectable DNA has been amplified more than a trillion times per individual positive test but I have been assured that this waste is disposed of, denatured and safely……
Going back to the known contamination of sewage, surface water and groundwater, add a few gales to stir it all up and add the respired particles in the air and I can see that there are many environmental sources of cross contamination available during the sampling process, the transportation or indeed in the labs which could cause this increase in general positivity of the PCR testing programmes.
Ground contamination.
Youtuber Jordan Houston tested his keyboard, his dog and the pavement. All three came back positive.
‘Proof That We’re Being Lied Too…’ (sic).
I saw that but it comes across as a Youtuber trying to make a drama.
Perhaps, if the one or two thousand commentators here came together and submitted samples from the general environment, verified by serious witnesses, like lawyers or doctors who would put their names to it we could find out if this really is or is not a problem which distorts the PCR positive results and hence all the other statistics which follow.
He’s young and making a drama is what their audiences like.
I am not knocking him…its great stuff.
His keyboard didn’t catch covid.
Heretic, burn him
And then the millions of masks being dumped.
Indeed
How many tests will it take till they know
that too many politicians have lied
and how many lockdowns will it take
before all the people have died
and how much liberty can one nation lose
before open resistance is tried?
this virus my friend is blowing in the wind
this virus is blowing in the wind
This hoo-haa has exposed the terrible inability of our ‘non scientifically educated’ politicians to manage a situation with a significant scientific element. They have been continually overwhelmed and over-awed and in thrall to the science. They have fallen into the trap of running this mess on test results, at best testing is just part of the information you should use to determine public health policy. And as we know the PCR test falls a long way short of ‘at best’.
Matt Hancock is a third rate manger and has fallen into every managerial pitfall in the poor managers handbook. He should be looking beyond test results and look at what is happening (or rather what is not happening) and have the courage and conviction to formulate an appropriate policy. But he is weak and has opted for a sort of scientific domination policy and has happily submitted to bondage and flagellation by the scientists and dragged the country along with him.
Once again it’s because they do PPE at university then straight into politics with no idea how the world works.
Be fair, he did work at the family firm for a little while. Surefire mark of a failure. I suspect he was sent for long stands, left-handed screwdrivers, and tartan paint on a fairly regular basis.
I can see why the PPE thing seems like a persuasive explanation. The problem is, though, that it doesn’t explain the role of all those who are highly trained in STEM who have been pushing the lockdown agenda – Ferguson, Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam, Edmunds, SAGE, iSAGE and on and on. All with PhDs and years of experience in STEM. All apparently unable or unwilling to interrogate data critically or consider the issues raised by Covid in anything other than a one-dimensional way. I’m a Humanities graduate and PhD and was genuinely shocked by the amount of unquestioned assumptions, unproven assertions, confusion of causation and correlation, and general question begging to be found in every one of the iSAGE Reports I’ve read. Not that I’ve anything against STEM, btw, but it isn’t a panacea, sadly.
Matt Hancock is no manger. He’s an insult to third-rate managers too.
it will – admissions follow cases with a lag of about a week. Deaths follow admissions with a lag also of about a week.
Unlikely. RNA does not survive long in the environment.
I agree to some extent, but are we then not in danger of going down the road of censoring due to the fear of upsetting someone somewhere, or someone’s perceived sense of insult – now where have I heard something similar. I think I would stick with the sentiment of I may not like what you say, but I will protect your right to say it – any term will be considered offensive by someone. I am actually disappointed we are even having this conversation. People who are genuinely fearful through acceptance of the successful government propaganda, I do have sympathy for, after all it is behavioural psychology at work. The people I reserve this comment for are the more the virtue signalling types, or those who reserve no rationality to their actions e.g., weraing a mask in the car, walking outside entirely in your own company, masked and gloved, parents forcing children to wear masks, though the latter deserve a harsher term.
The gentleman remarking on this did not explain exactly why thus term disturbs him, is it because he perceives it to deride the affliction of incontinence, which obviously it doesn’t.
I agree, but I do wish there was another term somehow. Anyway I object to the blanket term ‘covid deniers’ applied to all sceptics. We are not denying that covid exists!
What about “yellow bellied cowards”?
Just a thought.
In fairness, if we’re looking to recruit waverers to our side, insulting them probably isn’t a good way to start.
If they haven’t wavered yet it’s because they’re turncoats
Where in Thailand are you?
I’m in Phuket and agree the freedom and lack of government intervention is much appreciated, especially reading the comments on here regulary.
The destruction of the economy here is massive!
Xenophobia and a complete lack of understanding leading to increased fear is the slighlty annoying aspect, also seeing so many children in filthy muzzles but without crash helmets and sat at schools behind cling film screens.
Although approx 90% of businesses are shuttered, most of the remaining ones will not require muzzles, with the exception of the malls, 7/11 and family mart etc
How do you pronounce “Phuket”? Just curious.
Poo ket
Thanks.
That new Bob creation is a masterpiece!! I just bellowed with laughter and spilt my nighty night milk
It,s great. Also true. Covid us now a religion. They practise it in my church.
Yes, most Christians and many Muslims appear to have converted to the Covid cult. It’s interesting to see that some Orthodox Jews are not having any of it. Our Evangelical Christian brother and his friends aren’t either. Sadly his twin is a True Believer. MW
Now, that’s a good substitute term for “bedwetter” – “Covid cultist.”
My insults are definitely becoming more personal eg. telling a bedwetter teacher that they are only concerned with breaking up games of Tig
Strangely, around here,the West Midlands (Geographically, not the county), we always called it Tick.
Get it right, it’s Tag.
We ‘Cheshire potatoes’ did too. MW
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
Ian ‘ Boss, just a quick call to let you know I’ll be back in work on the 1st
Boss ‘ Ian, good to hear from you. Great news is that the government is not forcing us to close down’
Ian ‘Good, good’
Boss ‘ The only thing is, under social distancing rules we can only have four in the office instead of twenty’
Ian ‘ Are you sacking me’
Boss ‘ Of course not, you will remain on furlough until a vaccine is available’
Ian ‘Who’s going to pay me?’
Boss ‘ Who’s been paying you up to now ‘
Ian ‘ The Chancellor’
Boss ‘ Give him a ring’
Ian ‘ Can I speak to Olga in HR’
Boss ‘No’
Ian ‘Why not ‘
Boss ‘Cos we fucked her off last month, after all who needs HR’
Phone goes dead
P.S
Despite his best efforts Ian and his family starved to death in late Spring 2022
It’s just that name calling is a form of disrespect, like we look down on folks for being gripped by fear…because we’re better than them?
Millions upon millions still prefer television access to the MSM. My parents don’t do any alternative viewing online…the boomers trust the big screen and the big networks. I understand why they are in lock step with this s**t.
I have to attend Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow with a room full of believers. It’s going to suck if the chatty chat goes viral (haha). Trump derangement syndrome and covid obsession for a one two punch night of awful conversation. I’m envisioning walking out early. But I won’t call them names. Just people being people, following as only they know.
We should all have the right to be disparaging if we wish.
We should all have the right to be careful about what we say in order to create a pleasant atmosphere and to not be offensive.
We should not allow other people, groups, organisations or governments to dictate what we can think and what we can say and when an attempt is made to change our thinking or our free speech, our policy should be to defeat that attempt.
Our opinions change over time as we come across different ideas and get new information and that is a slow process of individual development, far different from suddenly changing our behaviour or speech by unnecessarily submitting to an external force. ‘Political correctness’ has become tyranny.
A lot of us come on here to be rude to the gutless zombies who are enabling our Fascist tyrants to crush us. This is our site and we shall call these hopeless ex-people what we like.
Or will the Free Speech Union start censoring us? Will a zombie write to complain?
Let’s call them zombies rather than bedwetters…I doubt any actual zombies will write in to complain.
Self-censorship?
I was actually surprised at the notion of us evaluating this expression from the founder of FSU.
There should be a choice, I believe. One person’s insult is another’s free expression.
Some will say bedwetter, others might consider that a bit harsh and say zombie.
I try to be polite even when insulting people. If you take that as self-censorship then so be it. Though, tbh, the invective I use does vary according to how exasperated I am, and nowadays I’m fairly exasperated!
Surely we want to change the collaborators’ understanding of the dire straits we are in? The government doesn’t care that it is killing them with masks. Maybe the collaborators just want to keep the hospitalisation numbers up.
(Vernon Coleman calls them collaborators.)
I don’t mind commenters using the term “bedwetter”, but I mind the lead articles using it.
Yes, I think this is a good compromise, given people wanting to cite this site to their contacts.
So Toby should self-censor, but the rest of us needn’t.
I agree. Puts people off and it’s ridiculously puerile.
I like that there’s no censorship BTL here.
Gutless zombies
hopeless ex-people
Now that’s much more like it!
I have obtained a leaked copy of Monday’s statement
‘This is an unworkable crock of shit, so we are dumping it all on local authorities ‘
That’s been the plan for a while but the dirty work is not done by the elected members rather by local government officials.
The general public has done the heavy lifting.
If they give local authorities some funding, then I am all for it actually.
Westminster is such an entity, they haven’t got a clue. I voted against regional parliaments, but am now in favour. I come from Germany, where are regional governments, which is leading to chaos at the moment, especially if you have to travel between countries, as they might have different rules, but in general they can better manage their local needs.
Brilliant piece in the Telegraph from Prof Livermore, another scientist on our side
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/10/10/protect-elderly-see-life-back-normal-low-risk/
Could you summarise for the benefit of the paywalled?
Very significant comment piece in the Telegraph, basically declaring war on lockdowns:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/10/11/cannot-face-another-six-months-covid-nightmare/
So is there a strategy? What is it?
The Press must now encourage more people to outright mass civil disobedience. The time is now come.
A court in Madrid has rejected new lockdown laws imposed on the Spanish capital by the government. Hope for us all ?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8818985/Madrid-court-REJECTS-government-orders-lockdown-Spanish-capital.html
Spanish Government superseded the court by declaring a state of emergency.
I didn’t know that. what a shame. still we mustn’t stop trying.
At least their Courts are trying, like ours.
Personally, I think no need for insults.
Does that mean I have to stop calling them cunts
P.S How does one address people who lock up your children and grandchildren?
Commandant Daniel Andrews!
See Biker above
I prefer a really personal and cutting insult eg. Bedwetting teacher = Nazi Youth leader etc
On reflection. How about
Lying, murderous, thieving, slimy, bedwetting, cunts
Nice one Cecil. Leave the civilities to Mr H – we know what they are.
As a specific, addressed to someone who clearly is one, apposite….
As a noun of multitude, arguably less effective….but, although personally disinclined, I am always delighted for others to demonstrate asperity, ‘the feist’ in them……
You should do as you please. After all, it’s a free country….Oh! Hang on……
Regarding how to address people who lock up your family…..far better not….
Actions speak louder than words……
A lockdown protest was organised in Edinburgh yesterday, outside Holyrood. I only heard about it through a friend, roughly 2 hours before it was due to start. I contacted my oldest son, and he and I ventured east to attend.
We travelled by train. I had my mask exception lanyard in my pocket. He had neither a lanyard nor a mask, but he found a cloth in the glove compartment of my car, and said he’d take that.
Anyway, the train station was completely, and I mean, completely deserted. The train from Edinburgh to Glasgow Queen street had maybe 2 people per carriage. At 11.25am on a Saturday, this train would normally be standing room only. Our train to Edinburgh was similarly empty. We sat at a table for 4 across from a young woman who was maskless, but eating her lunch. When we got up to disembark at Waverley, she asked if we were going to Holyrood. She told us she’d been to the protest in Trafalgar Square and still had bruises on her back from police batons.
My son and I met up with a friend of mine, and his girlfriend, and the 4 of us, plus my dog, walked towards Holyrood. At some points en route the pavement was fairly narrow and we witnessed people in their 20s turn to face the buildings as we walked past them. Many, many people were strolling the pavements wearing masks.
The protest itself was modest, maybe around 300 people, and I counted 11 or 12 police officers in attendance. A group of 4 wore blue tabards marked “Community Liaison” and they wandered through the throngs, wearing masks, and chatted with a few protestors. At the pond outside Holyrood the ice dumped there by the city’s bar owners lay in a lump, slowly melting.
Just before the speakers started, my son and I took a wander around the periphery as I wanted to scope out where the police were. We found a group of 3 officers, masked up, at the fringe. One wore the embroidered peaked cap of a commander. His body language suggested he was dying to get stuck in, which I found bizarre.
We stood here for a while, listening to the speakers. Everyday pedestrians wandered along the fringe of the protest site wearing masks, while the protesters gathered 50 yards away, all unmasked. One passerby waking a chihuahua stopped to allow his dog to meet mine. We chatted briefly about the dogs, then he asked what was going on with the protestors. I told him they were protesting against the lockdown. He said, “oh.”. Then quickly ushered himself and his dog away.
After an hour or so, we decided to head back to the station. We were hungry so when we spotted an open cafe with seats outside, we decided to get a sandwich and a coffee. I gestured to the masked man behind the counter to the seats outside and he shook his head, no outside table service. My son offered to go in and join the queue to get takeaway. A few minutes later he came back out, you had to scan a QR code even if you were taking the food to go.
Back at Waverley Station, we got food from Pret, and sat at our platform to eat while we waited for our return train. We were the only unmasked people, as far as I could see. No one challenged us at any point, despite the continual tannoy announcements to wear a face covering and the large concourse posters stating “Cover Your Face”.
The whole experience, for me, showed how much of an up hill struggle we have on our hands. Compliance everywhere. Shuttered shops everywhere. Saturday shopper commuter trains deserted. Apart from the 300 or so people who gathered outside the Scottish parliament, zero resistance.
Thanks for a good report, at least the Police behaved themselves this time.
The cafe that would not serve you outside clearly wants to go out of business.
Mass outbreak of impetigo and bronchitis.
WOW. We are mega-fucked.
I have a small group of friends, most are retired professionals. All bar one of them have bought heavily into the official narrative. We normally all meet up in the pub on Sunday lunch, but today three of them couldn’t make it due to their track and trace apps imposing ten days quarantine. Another decided against coming out, as it would be “just too risky”. When will they ever learn, never it seems.
I’d have gone to that if I’d known about it! Would have needed more than 2 hours notice, as it’s 5 hours to Holyrood from here.
You paint a depressing picture, but good on you both for attending. Perhaps all the mask wearers will prentend they were resistance once the madness has ended.
I’d no idea this protest was taking place, and I’m disappointed to have missed it. My mobility is currently limited due to a torn cruciate ligament, but I’d have happily limped the mile from my house to Holyrood to join the throng.
Here’s a suggestion: for the admins of this site: create a section publicising any upcoming protests. The MSM rarely announce such things, preferring instead to advertise XR and BLM ‘events’.
Just ignore all their pish and go about your day.
Nothing wrong with being rude and boorish. Fuck your stupid petty morals we’ve no time left for being nice. Bedwetters should be changed to Cunts and anyone who is a lockdown skeptic doesn’t look like a loon, except the arseholes who still support deep state agents like David Icke.
Well said why the fuck that letter was published on here I don’t know. CUNTS it is..
Very spot on cartoon from Bob and great updates today and yesterday. We need more Jessicas and that GP to speak out especially as the BMA are prepared to throw the public under the bus yet again.
Yesterday was World Mental Health day and I noticed that the usual suspects on antisocial media were sprouting the usual cliches and crocodile tears about not being alone and calling on for support. Yet there was no-one who would acknowledge that lockdown, social distancing and masks have been responsible for a spike in mental health cases, those who are not getting the treatment they need and worst of all an increase in self harm and suicides.
The mental health charities especially have been a disgrace and cowardly all throughout this crisis.
A plague on all their houses and they deserve to go bust.
They are speaking up but aren’t being heard.
https://www.mind.org.uk/about-us/our-policy-work/reports-and-guides/coronavirus-reports/
Like with the Amnesty report, MSM just aren’t interested.
Good on them but why are they not publicising that on their antisocial media accounts? It was all meaningless platitudes and crocodile tears yesterday.
Agree. Always the same, particular from celebs who for the other 364 days a year promote unhealthy attitudes and excess.
Its only been Denise Welch to my knowledge who has been vocal about the effects of lockdown on mental health. The Cambridges to a lesser extent as they could not be seen as attacking government policy.
The rest is just tumbleweed.
Are Jessica and the GP getting any exposure other than here ?
Unfortunately I think not.
From three frontline mental health workers 2 months ago.
1. Senior psychologist whose management insist all face to face encounters now be mask to mask.
2. MH nurse who clients have regressed because of 3 months isolation having been turned out of the residential unit at start of lockdown
3. MH nurse whose caseload has been hugely increased with people newly pushed into depression by lockdown measures
These should also be publicised. It would be interesting what the suicide rates are like now.
100% agree about WMHD. It left a really nasty taste in the mouth. I’ve lost count of the number of therapists I’ve seen over the years, the number of days lost to lowered productivity due to panic attacks, depression etc., and lockdown has threatened to push me over the edge on some days. Seeing virtue-signalling rubbish like that yesterday which ignores the MAIN cause of poor mental health this year was just too much. Disgraceful. All the restrictions are literally precisely the opposite of what you’d tell someone with poor mental health to do.
The bottom line is, if mental health mattered, there wouldn’t have been a lockdown at all. Simple.
Exactly. I made the mistake of looking at my Arsebook newsfeed yesterday and I was just sickened at the posts. Some were well meaning but they were from people who I know are lockdown zealots so I know that it would be pointless to call them out on their contradictory stance.
This crisis has shown many people for who they truly are and that they are happy to throw lives under the bus under the guise of “safety.”
Those of us who live in the Socialist paradise of Camden have known this for for the past two weeks or so. This closure of paediatric A&E depts for two major hospitals serving most of the London Borough of Camden with only the Whittington hospital now available is wholly unacceptable. The Government is killing the country. They are our servants and we need to remove them without delay.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/10/doctors-fury-closure-childrens-ae-services-prepare-second-covid/
The Whittington was my local growing up, only went there once when the Cottage Hospital screwed up my tonsilectomy. Is it still a decrepit rabbit Warren?
They closed Whipps Cross as well I read.
It’s almost like they want parents to sue them isn’t it. The NHS paid out £2.4 BILLION in negligence claims last year. Maybe they’ve figured out its easier to do this than actually take care of people?
The gentleman has a point – I know when I use the term, it’s because I’m raging against those who are enabling this madness. So it is derogatory. Normally, I’m all for free speech but we need the support of more people. Fast. Most people who only come across this site now are likely to have once been one of those we mock when using the term. I vote for not using it – at least until the tide has turned. And then we let loose!
Had a great and lively night out at a local restaurant last night, just like things were before the lockdown. Long may it last. However many entering with face masks which are not a legal requirement but thankfully not logging into the NHS contact tracing app. Could Lockdown Sceptics create a downloadable sheet which can be handed to pubs, restaurants and customers saying these are not a legal requirement? Will happily make a donation to Lockdown Sceptics for this service. People don’t know the law in this area, but to make this knowledge available will surely help to bring this madness down.
I thought it was law but I am now in a local lockdown area so might be wrong.
Still applies.
Laworfiction.com already have some downloadable sheets.
I know, but something needed on 1 page of A4.
Your article in this morning’s email regarding The Great Barrington Declaration being “cancelled” by Google shows how even you have been brainwashed. Google is not the only search engine available. For some time now, I have used Duckduckgo and this engine shows the declaration near the top of the list. Admittedly, there are other links – one particularly to something called Mother Jones. – there are others.
There are other search engines available and the more they are used, the laess influence Google will have.
Yes, but most people don’t know there are other search engines. That’s why it matters
On a similar theme, is the Guardian censoring lockdown sceptical comments? On Friday I had two comments removed by their moderators. Both were calm and factual, I took extra care with second one after the removal of the first. Anyone else had a similar experience?
It’s not just the Guardian. Many online articles are deleting comments that are challenging the official narrative and in more and more case they are completely disabling the comments section!
There needs to be a mainstream movement/campaign to get people on to rival web browsers and search engines that aren’t actively censoring/manipulating results and respecting privacy. I use Firefox with various privacy add-ons (I hear Brave is better?) and duckduckgo.com as a search engine.
OK, just Googled it. Back on the list at the top.
me neither. I just had 2 posts removed from here this morning.. still hoping the toned down version stays up. Could have been to do with a very frightening image of the old man himself
Well the toned down comment has also been removed. Comments mentioning the old man CEO of the WEF must be taboo.
I am about to try again for the 3rd time
I have never heard of posts being removed. Posts with multiple links sometimes get stuck awaiting moderation – probably more anti-spam than censorship.
Yes, its very odd
I had to reregister about one week ago so I am back in the awaiting approval phase again.
Firstly a very large image that I posted so I could understand that being removed but the separate comment about the picture was also removed.
Secondly I reposted that comment which contained 2 links sometime later and its also gone.
in total 3 comments gone all about WEF CEO
Just about to try again
Small but growing band of people that hate lockdown. Let’s be honest in years to come, everyone will be drinking in pubs gloating how they weren’t a bedwetter.
Re “bedwetters”…
How about braindead morons?
I tend to use ‘hysterics’ because they have been incited into hysteria over something that is unlikely to happen and yet are blasé about illnesses like cancer/heart disease etc for which they will NOT receive treatment.
I don’t agree with any censorship of free speech but I would prefer it if Toby used the word ‘Zealot’. I think it more accurately conveys the religious fanaticism of the people who are the problem.
“Swivel eyed loon”
Good point!
Perhaps”moron” is a little strong, but for those that do not look at the evidence… “Brain dead” is very appropriate.
But getting back to bedwetter, does this not describe someone who takes pride in their own ignorance, and isn’t that therefore… appropriate?
But that term may offend people who have had relatives die by a stroke. there’s no winning. My father died because of a stroke. I’m not offended, but somebody always will be.
Average age of Covid victims is 82.4?
Years to go before I croak.
It has occurred to me that since I am only a little over half way through that span it might be best to abandon my pretty healthy lifestyle and commit to eating, drinking and smoking myself into an earlier grave. This way I might just avoid fading to death alone, afraid and confused in a no-care home and find at least some enjoyment in indulgence in the mean time. There doesn’t seem to be much else on offer any more.
I was supposed to die in my twenties so adopted your early grave strategy from the off and which is why the Covid doesn’t bother me.
Here I still am in my mid sixties though I have cut back a bit and I’ve always eaten healthily but only because I like it.
My family seems to have good genes, my grandfather was 86, my grandmother 96, but spent her last 10 years in a care home after she broke her leg. Mentally all there, but lost her eyesight and hearing, so the last few years sat around staring at the wall, begging us for 2 years to let her die. Consequently my father, just turned 80, does not give a damn if he gets covid, and has signed a DNR.
I have no plans to even get to 80, as well as I do not expect to have a good pension. I have resolved to spend my retirement savings pot now and enjoy life while I can.
Whilst the global median lifespan is 79.
Tagging on KH’s post, as I share the sentiments.
I don’t like the term ‘bedwetter’. It appears gratuitously insulting, and to what end? Just to make people like us feel better about ourselves? Well that’s useful sometimes, but doesn’t get us very far.
A little while ago I directed a scientifically minded friend of mine to this site, and he was especially put off by the term. I countered that it was not as bad as some of the insults directed at us sceptics (‘granny killers’ etc.) … But you don’t win arguments by insulting people on the other side of the debate, especially if they are even a little bit willing to be open minded.
Don’t get me wrong, my frustrations with the people pushing this shitshow and the compliant maskoids (perfectly acceptable imo) often get the better of me. But if we are going to be pejorative about the other side then our goading should have some wit and precision. And the bedwetter term has long since ceased to possess any wit, and I’m not sure ever had any precision.
agreed, always play the ball, not the man.
Dropping the bedwetters term seems to be a bit overly PC but as one wants to appeal to the widest audience perhaps “Henny Pennys” would be a good alternative https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henny_Penny
If we absolutely must choose another term, I’d like it to to be equally as infantile, just as cutting but with reference to mass murder. Does such an insult exist?
Hannibals? To be honest, whatever term we use, somebody will be offended. I wouldn’t have chosen the term bedwetter but let’s face it – insults offend. “Nervous ninnie” or some such would risk offending somebody with an anxiety condition, and on and on it goes until we are the very latest edition of the Newspeak dictionary.
Maybe call them Dandelions….. From the french nickname
Bedwetters are only confident in their domains. Take them out of their zones of comfort and they flounder.
They seem to be pretty confident on this website, though, Tom.
What a shitty development in a sea of constant shit. It may be a little thing but it’s really not.
COVID Marshals, meet Sceptical Community Outreach Commissars
I posted above…I agree with you KH. I prefer the term ‘zealot’ as it conveys the fanaticism and lack of rationality.
I expect most MPs know about it but have been promised a seat at the party.
Useful idiots will get chucked under the bus as soon as their votes have been harvested.
The collaborators at UK Border Force now require you to complete a long nanny state form before you are allowed to return to the country. No form=Exile
Exempt from completing the form are employees of the BBC and The National Lottery
This virus is so clever it now knows your occupation
Not quite sure where you get that from. The official guidance exempts only the following from filling in the “passenger locator form”
“People who represent organisations which are participating in the fourth National Lottery Licence competition” and “People engaged in urgent or essential work for the BBC’s broadcasting transmission network and services” are specifically stated not to be exempt from this requirement.
Oh the joy I had at Heathrow airport in September when coming back into the country. Your kids can go on your form, but your spouse can’t. They need their own form. It’s a pointless tick box form on which it’s just a dull game of data input information that ultimately the airline already had. But they make sure married couple have to do the form twice for no valid reason
And when you get to the desk (after seeing 1000+ signs about Covid and staying safe or them keeping you safe) and you get lectured and interviewed by the knob at passport control. Waste of time enforced by a waste of time person.
He’s looking forward to moonlighting as a Covid Marshal.
“Bedwetters” is a handy red herring euphemism for low-IQ knuckledraggers. Brexiteers fall into this category.
I’m not sure about “bedwetter”. Not because it is offensive – every human language in history evolved numerous offensive terms precisely because there is societal need to offend, it’s part of being human.
It’s more that it can be counterproductive. Insulting people who disagree with you is something I see more on the authoritarian side, and I think is a big part of why they tend to lose a lot. I’m pretty sure “basket of deplorables” won Trump victory in 2016 and the constant labelling of pro-Brexit supporters as “racist” was what swung Brexit the way of Leave.
It’s a lot of fun – and cathartic – insulting people who are misguided over risk but probably a lot more productive to talk to them as if they were good people who have been mislead.
I’m OK about ‘bedwetter’; it’s clearly metaphorical. Those who prefer something more literal could try: ‘covysteric’ or ‘covimaniac’. (Athough pedants might perceive prejudice against women or the mentally afflicted in those words, hmmmm can’t please everyone).
Agree that it is counterproductive. In the comments – fine, but maybe best avoided in the actual posts (at least in the head- and taglines).
We want people to keep reading this site..
I don’t like ‘bed-wetter’ either.
Maybe……
Quisling
Fifth-columist
Zombie
Idiot
Ignoramus
Covidiot
Moron
Cretin
Mask Zombie
Sheep
Pod people
The asleep
The afraid
The collaborators
Cunts
Eloi
Twats
The unenlightened
……
I choose the fifteenth option on your list.
Eloi is a good one.
I don’t like insulting people particularly if you’re generalising large groups. Never liked the term ‘bedwetter’. It means you’re much less likely to persuade people to your point of view, if you start with insulting them.
Also I think it’s inaccurate. Talking to people, there’s a range of views out there but I’ve never come across anyone in real life that it’s not possible to have a reasonable discussion with where one or both of us has a modified viewpoint at the end of it.
So maybe for specific cases an insult is OK if it’s justified on the specifics, but even then I think it diminishes and undermines your argument. As a generalisation, I think it’s childish and counter productive, and have done since the start.
100% agree with this, insulting people is usually the last resort when argument has failed and we are not in that category at all.
Let us not forget that the term arose when we were prevented from having rational discourse. Still are!
Agree. I tend to use the words “zealots” or “lockdownistas”
And well said about this:
I’ve had run ins with the latter and its always women. They seem to relish the ability to bully and I’ve always stood by that as I suspect that had I been a 6 foot tall bloke built like Arnold Schwarzenegger or heaven forbid a black person, those women would not have had the guts to question me as to why I wasn’t muzzled.
And I say this as a woman. All this guff about sisterhood and women supporting other women are all lies and poppycock.
The first woman who had a go at me was treated to the full force of my tongue so much so that her husband had to get her to keep quiet. She folded up after I told her to “fuck off”
Obviously didn’t expect a woman of East Asian ancestry to swear at her like that.
Agreed. Men, in general, won’t tell women off, they want a peaceful life. Women seem to see themselves as guardians of the public space. Having said that, I’ve really only had evil frowns which, over the nappy-nose, just looks funny. And I go from Miss Marple to Don Corleone in a heartbeat if needed.
That’s why they get called “Karens”. I wish there was a better name, but this name has stuck, for better or worse. Sorry to the actual Karens out there.
I met some of those in school.The mean-minded, talentless, envious, sneaking, rat-faced, vicious bully who has to have a victim to torment, and makes sure that the cowards in the class (virtually everyone except the victim) back her up, for fear of becoming her next target. They obviously don’t change as they grow older.
Wow, I’m glad I went to an all boys school. Bullying wasn’t tolerated, nobody wanted to be friends with a bully in case it was their turn next.
Your point about the selective bullying by the zealots is spot on. My wife (middle-aged blonde lady) has been bullied several times for not wearing the muzzle, whereas I (grizzled beardy biker, usually sporting a Harley-Davidson or Gadsden flag T-shirt and a facial expression that promises the wrath of Beelzebub) have not. And I’m nowhere near the size of Mr Schwarzenegger.
I am of the opinion now after months of playing nice that derision and humour is one of the best if not only weapons we have to fight these soft minded numpties. If after all this time so few of them have even bothered to look at the evidence on the governments own websites and reports then they deserve to be called harsher things than bedwetter. With regards to what term to use when referring to these sheeple I would say use anything that takes your fancy in the context of your situation…There is something cathartic about a well timed put down, equally some times a bit more tact is needed.
If you don’t like a particular terms then don’t use it, but for heavens sake please don’t start going down the lefty route of ‘you shouldn’t say that’. We are surrounded by that nonsense already.
I wholeheartedly agree
Having an astute understanding of your potential audience and how to sell them your message is not “lefty”.
It’s advertising / marketing – typically associated with good free market corporations.
If we want to effect change we should start listening to arguments like this.
If I accuse you for example of using the word “sheeple”, just like the flock of other tinfoil hat wearers… will that help endear you to my argument?
Flaws in Coronavirus Pandemic Theory
https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf
Interesting Sunday read
I was reading a post on an anti lockdown Facebook site and it was pointed out by the author they had been past Covid test sites which were empty and the question was raised where cases are coming from if testing sites are empty. Have you been past testing sites and found them empty. Do you think the government is lying about positive test cases.
The leader of Rhondda Cynon Taf council in Wales said (just before the local lockdown) that 300 people from England had been tested.
This has frequently been reported at LS, there is a clear view of our test station and it is always empty except for staff in hi viz bibs.
I passed within 10 metres of the drive-in testing station at Bidston Moss in Merseyside, yesterday. You know, the place where the cases are allegedly going through the roof. Not a single car in the queue. Meeters-and-greeters sitting on picnic chairs chatting to each other. Not a single car in the queue. NOT A SINGLE FUCKING ONE!
We are being lied to (even more than normal).
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=157912249330165&id=100396255081765
The Facebook post showing the empty testing sites.
Do you think the Pope is a Catholic?
Well, this place serves two functions and they’re mutually contradictory, to an extent. It is certainly a place with a very useful collection of relevant facts, updated daily which help to dismantle the pro-lockdown argument. My guess is that mostly, this repository is used by those of us who are anti-lockdown and want our old normal back, to keep ourselves informed and to help in conversations we have in the real world. Sometimes, people might come here who are on the verge of changing their minds (though in my experience, people are put off at least as much by the fact that the hood is Toby’s – sorry Toby – as by anything that they find when they get here). To this extent, “bedwetters” is unhelpful and yes, probably puts some people off.
But it’s also a place where people who are like-minded (at least somewhat) can go to discuss things and let off steam. There are very few places where this can happen. For this function “bedwetters” is actually useful, because gratuitous insults can help when you’re being driven out of your mind with frustration by the behaviour of other people.
I don’t really use it myself, but that’s probably mostly because it’s the behaviour of the government, officials and advisors that really drives me up the wall, not the behaviour of their compliant hostages in the general population (though I find that depressing too)
Whilst consensus supporters refer to sceptics as deniers I reserve the right to refer to them as bedwetters.
Has anyone considered writing to their local Director of Public Health to point out that they are presiding over a health crisis caused by lockdowns and have they considered their responsibilities in this matter? I am very interested to hear the views of others. For instance, are they leaving themselves open to future legal action for crimes against humanity?
Legal action, crimes against humanity? How quaint.
I hadn’t, but good idea. Thanks.
Ours mandated parents ‘must’ wear masks when picking up or dropping off their kids at school. This was repeated in letters from the Director of Childrens Services To schools and in turn in letters from schools to parents. Also repeated in the local press. I asked him what authority he has to issue such a mandate in outdoor mask wearing. No reply. He clearly has none but nearly all parents are now doing it anyway.
This is not legal and they cannot enforce it – see UsForThem..
I’m sure everyone in the public sector will have been given legal immunity for all things Covid related.
I spent a lovely afternoon with my daughter yesterday, now she has finally been released from house arrest by her school (Just in time for 1/2 term – two weeks instead of one this year, followed by two inset days…)
So, she finally managed to explain what happened, as school only supplied bland excuses
Three weeks ago, some children from my daughters class went to a party with children from another school. No-one at the party was ill BUT, a few days later a child from the second school started displaying symptoms of Covid and was tested. He had not been to the party. Both schools told their classes to self isolate for two weeks as a precaution.
The child’s test came back negative.
School insisted the class serve out the rest of their sentence as they didn’t know who else had been at the party or where else they had been and might be infected.
So, the suspect case was not at the party. No one at the party had any symptoms. My daughter was not at the party. She lost another two weeks of education.
Those who can do…
Were the teachers also told to isolate ? If not how sad for them
Mad!
I describe those in the grip of the government and media’s constant onslaught of propaganda as ‘fearers’.
Shithouses. I know history teachers that are fully enveloped in this charade. Individuals that should be able to seek and assess information from source – as well as understanding past lessons from history !
Lots of people should know better.
The trial of Charles 1 seems to bear some resemblance to our current position.
In his summing up President of the Court Bradshaw asserted that even a king was subject to the law, and that the law proceeded from Parliament. Furthermore, Charles Stuart had broken the sacred reciprocal bond between king and subject. By making war on his own people, he had forfeit his right to their allegiance. Declaring Charles guilty of the charges against him, Bradshaw ordered the sentence of death to be read out. To his great dismay, Charles was not allowed to speak and was abruptly led away from the court to await his execution.
Something to think about?
I prefer Cromwell to Parliament
“I say this is no Parliament, in the name of God go!”
Did not Cromwell ban Christmas like this mob want to?
No, just the singing and feasting. It was turned into a day of fasting and prayer only.
I’m sure I read somewhere, yonks ago now, that Charlie intends to take the regnal name George, in honour of his grandfather. So he would be George VII. No idea if that’s still his plan.
I did read a prophecy years ago that said the next King Charles (which would be this Charlie) would be the final monarch of England.
Will have to find it again if I can.
In view of the increasing weight of evidence, is it not time to throw the corona idiots term back at the bedwetters? They are the ones spreading fear and panic!
I’ve already embraced the term Covidiot. If going out and leading a full life (still within the law) makes me a Covidiot then so be it. Especially when it comes from ‘stay at home’ nervous wrecks dishing out lifestyle advice
You couldn’t make it up 
(co)ronaphobe perhaps?
or coviphobe ?
Coviphobe is quite good, it implies fear without being too insulting. I also like Masketeer – humour goes a long way!
Has Heneghan confirmed they are double counting students?
His current project seems to be teasing out that many hospital infections are actually occurring in hospitals (nosocomial infections?). That is to say that hospitals are overwhelming themselves! a case of physician heal thyself.
Local Live (mirror group news) reports that 3 out of the last 6 Covid hospitalizations in the county were hospital aquired.
It’s going nosocomial again
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1315202883755876353?s=20
We’ve reached peak Einstein, the Government is doing more of the same old thing and expecting a different outcome. Tomorrow’s announcements can only make sceptics stronger, we are the only people who are proposing a different approach. The only good that will come from this will be the end of Johnson, Starmer, Sturgeon with any luck.
That’s right, lockdowns will never work as they only delay the inevitable.
It’s Sunday morning and so it’s time to open your hymn sheets
The Clash – Clampdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lt4O-EHNnw
The judge said five to ten but I say double that again
I’m not working for the clampdown
No man born with a living soul
Can be working for the clampdown
There were several items in the press, late yesterday, stating that the BMA and a member of Sage have recommended to Ministers that ‘masks’ should be worn outside. OUTSIDE FFS!!
I have paid lip service to the law with a scarf so far, so as not to embarrass the shop workers in my small Northumberland town. If this comes in, I shall blatantly break it.
‘Masks’ are pointless anyway, but completely so in rural areas – Northumberland is the most sparsely populated county in England and its apparent high ‘case rate’ is now mostly in overspill middle class Newcastle suburbs, where people are obsessed with testing. The rural areas are still very low.
All this will do is finally kill off small businesses in market towns and villages as people who can’t bear to cover their faces for more than a few minutes will avoid them altogether. Everyone will shop online and, if they have to buy essentials, drive rather than walk to places where they can park directly outside. Our town centres were dying before this happened and this absurdity will finish them, as will the associated idea of ‘masks’ in offices: everyone who can will work from home.
Fresh air is essential for a healthy immune system. We have some of the freshest air in England. I intend to continue breathing it!
And who benefits if you shop online, who benefits if small businesses close, who do you buy the masks from, who has an $73,000,000,000 this year?
We don’t all rely on Amazon.
I’ve gone right off Amazon, when I ordered 5 exempt lanyards guess what their algorithm suggested I might also be interested in ?
Facemasks and bloody visors !
Stop buying from Amazon, stop using Facebook, stop using Google!!!
They said outdoors but only where the 2 metre rule cannot be observed. It’s a useless statement really as if you’re outdoors you can always move more than 2m away from someone, so can’t see that you’d ever need to wear a mask based on what they’re saying.
It will frighten people into wearing them, though, because they don’t want to be shouted at in the street. Old people, who struggle with masks now, will be particularly vulnerable to this and it will increase their isolation. Stopping to talk to someone in the street may be their only human contact and many have hearing problems that make a conversation with someone in a mask impossible.
Stop to talk to someone in the street now and they run a mile!
When you are mugging someone.
Hamburg, Germany is introducing mandatory face coverings on particularly busy streets. One of them is the large area outside the main train station, where they also have a walk-in testing center, and all the homeless people hang out.
Ridiculous.
I just hope that if this ridiculous measure comes in, the exemption rules will remain unchanged. I have just ordered a couple of ‘sunshine’ lanyards as I anticipate there could be a run on them if this nonsense comes in (yes I know you should not have to wear a lanyard but sometimes it just makes life easier).
Altogether I think all of these petty laws and rules smack of poor micromanagement from leaders with no courage or conviction, all of these things should just be advice and guidance not laws. The whole thing reminds me of an old fashioned boarding house with petty little rules and dictats pasted on every wall.
That would make a good cartoon, Boris as a seaside landlady with curlers and headscarf, Hancock the sidekick brandishing rolling pin and a long list of rules.
It would
There was chat about this earlier on where I suggested that people who currently paid lip service to masking would just say stuff it and come out full Sceptic.
Trying to make sense of outdoor mask wearing is puzzling in the extreme, what has happened to any mental faculty these idiots ever had?
I hate myself for wearing an exemption badge I bought online. I hate being so weak but as an older white female I know I would be a target for the finger pointing Stasi. My husband even wears a mask (only to briefly enter shops) so that it doesn’t appear that we are being ‘Covidiots’. Even with a badge, I get finger pointing and glares. I am old and I am sick and I am FURIOUS that my freedom has been removed and the NHS has left us to suffer and go without medical care. I’ve survived equally bad flu outbreaks and will take my chances. I doubt I’ll ever get my freedoms back before my time is up.
Sunday morning comment 1
Just been to shop to get papers. Staff (sceptics) wearing masks round chins just in case they get a dandelion customer.
One said he had the police in to check some cctv, Police asked if he was enforcing mask wearing in customers. Shopkeeper said no – its not my job, we have signs, i am not going to ban them.
PC says you should. Then two customers come in unmasked and shopkeeper still talking to PC and the PC says nothing to anyone.
Plod want stringing up for shit like this. Reprehensible. They don’t even know the law, that’s the most worrying aspect.
Dibble is wrong, asking the wrong question to a faced* person could be breaking Disability Discrimination legislation and anyway it’s their job not yours.
Was it a proper copper or a PCSO ?
*think I’ll use that again, ‘as a person of face’.
Karenovirus;
Would you mind if I nick that immediately? That’s our term for ourselves sorted out! “Person of face”!
Just need an equally witty version to replace “Bedwetter”, now. Bit more difficult, that one. It’s got to be at least mildly insulting…
Faceless?
Feel free Richard, and anybody else.
Police: But we cant attend to a break-in as we do not have enough staff
note PC was there checking cctv for some other reason (maybe shoplifting) .. but yes, it seems the police are suggesting the shops should be enforcers..
I guess the police have an obligation to remind shopkeepers to do it.
Just doing a tick box exercise.
Just in case anyone thinks this is about the flu
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/50-richest-americans-now-worth-more-poorest-165-million
The world’s 4 richest men are now $180 billion better off than at the start of the year
Double plus good
They probably all live in California which also has the highest number of Americans dependent on welfare.
Another report earlier this week, BBC R4, said there are now 2,200 seriously rich people worldwide which I think meant billionaires.
Yes that is good news, but you will soon have the opportunity to contribute further to this good cause, through giving up your pension and generally lowering your living standards.
Sunday Morning comment 2
BBC covid propaganda
Just caught a bit of the Gardeners World repeat. Big feature on covid and a long piece of Kate Garroway and her continually publicised husband’s illness (to remind those people who do not watch GMB) All the detail of how ill he was, etc etc and how she got through it by planting cabbages.
As people realise how benign covid is to most people, time for them to weave in a reminder of how some very rare people have had covid and so how dangerous it really is
I give myself the day off from the BBC on Sunday instead listen to our local community radio station. Can be a PC but this morning they’re busy with Northern Soul.
excuse me whilst i bop around the room to Gloria Jones and Tainted Love………
It’s gotta be “do I love you” Frank Wilson now that’s a tune
I give myself a week off the BBC every Monday morning
I’ve had 6 months off now
Know thine enemy.
Kate Garroway is featured in the Daily Mail numerous times per week, always with a slant that we should follow the rules so that we do not get hospitalised. It must be very tough but the rest of the population do not have to be locked up because of one individual in hospital for a long time.
If I recall correctly her husband was intubated/put on a ventilator when hospitalised – now we know that Covid patients should not be put on a ventilator – it forces oxygen into the lungs, damaging the lungs and the oxygen levels still do not improve sufficiently
Garroway is a suspected intelligence asset.
That should explain everything for you.
Interesting. Source?
They are all tools of the state
Beware the Covicabbage, the Coronacarrot and the Viral Cauliflower.
Bit late for Boris to scapegoat Hancock. Almost getting too late for Rishi to scapegoat Boris.
A Pandemic, worth consideration:
“The Real Pandemic: Mass Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy
It’s more than fair to say that we are experiencing a pandemic, but not the one you hear about ad nauseum. No, the pandemic is not a virus, it is a pandemic outbreak of Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy which focuses its obsessions on the virus.
Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy is a mental illness in which the sufferer fantasizes that others–usually people in their charge, such as children–are suffering from serious illness and require drastic medical intervention.”
https://streetwiseprofessor.com/the-real-pandemic-mass-munchausens-syndrome-by-proxy/
Have felt this for a while. It is highly abusive making someone think they are ill when not.
I think this is a very valid comparison of covid policy. Munchausens syndrome by proxy
It’s about systematically undermining our faith in our immune systems that only a vaccine can remedy and its its also a key component of the brainwashing technique to threaten us with a return of a state of bad health or disease if we do not comply with the abusive regime’s diktats.
Is Munchausener the new bedwetter?
sounds like a credible plot for The Bridge V. But any excuse to get Sofia Helin back would do.
A great series for anyone who has not watched it!
I’ve long wondered this as well. It’s not only led people to doubt their faith in the human immune system but has also played on the ignorance of the public especially the young.
I’ve lost count of how many people don’t even know that the human body consists of bacteria and viruses and how the respiratory system works.
This vlogger video is very powerful. PCR tested the dog’s hair, key board and the pavement. Guess how many tested positive for the ‘coronie’
Had a lot of ah ha’s from a diverse group of people. Especially catchy for the young. Please distribute as far and wide as you can especially to students
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhwVRSZs8_8&feature=youtu.be
Actually I think there’s another message in this video. He took a sample from his dog – positive. He took a sample from his keyboard negative. The sample from the wet pavement – positive. This clearly demonstrates that the viral RNA is in the general environment and that everyone is being exposed to it on a daily basis with or without masks.
Agreed it’s time to stop using “bedwetter” We are free to use it but should choose not to. If scepticism is to move from the fringe to the mainstream, it must attract people to its ideas, not alienate them.
True, but do you have better suggestions?
Today’s little schoolmarm operetta has been truly enlightening. You people really are like everyone else, deep-down. At the first opportunity to have your editorial say you strike, and any excuse to limit speech you’ll make as long as it works in your group’s favour. ‘Offence,’ ‘injury,’ ‘compassion’and ‘inclusion’ – the weapons of the enemy, the language of the status-quo. And it never NEVER ends at one word.
Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble – one of us, one of us. Right? Optics, right? Conversion, right?
There are still a few principled irony-appreciating folks in these yonder parts, and for the sake of their company I’ll continue to stick around ‘below the line.’ The rest of you scolds can go wet yourselves. Truth is more important than getting along!
Agree wholeheartedly with the “elderly gentleman” re the term “bedwetter”.
It’s a foul expression that sounds childish. In addition, I note that you have used the vile American term “panty waist” today. I haven’t noticed the word before today on Lockdown Sceptics, so if you’re thinking of supplanting one with t’other, PLEASE DON’T!
Having said that, keep up the excellent resistance. A crack in the dam is surely not too far away?
Without a single word epitaph, we will lose.
Rather than complaining about a label, come up with a new one to counter “covidiot”.
Whether you like it or not human beings operate on the scapegoat principle. There has to be a whipping boy.
Ronaphobe works for me. Or Coviphobe as a more symmetrical counter to Covidiot
I think bedwetter is fine – if it is hurting, it is working.
Case in point…. they are weapons. Why would we come empty handed to the fight? I believe they drew blood first with “covidiots.”
I personally think people who are convinced 6 million under 50 have died -are – to use a very old fashioned term – drips. As in people I probably wouldn’t spend time with who are not courageous or interesting. That’s all fine in a normal world but this isn’t normal. So for me ‘the terrified’ would be ok & generous as most are (even though they are also not particularly bright…………)
The link to the Tomas Pueyo article on Covid in Wuhan was very informative.
No less interesting is the fact that two years earlier the same Tomas Pueyo, who wrote the ‘lockdown works’ story, became ‘VP of Growth’ in an organisation promoting online education.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/course-hero-welcomes-tomas-pueyo-as-vice-president-of-growth-300747666.html
I.e. his career depended on massively increasing the use of online education. Could there be a connection?
Thank you, Hat Man, for both the compliment and the lead. I’m up early (it’s 7am in Canada), reading LS, so I had time to take a break and do a quick search. Pueyo’s firm obviously has benefitted from the lockdown, according to TechCrunch:
“Today, Course Hero tells TechCrunch that it has raised a new tranche of capital in a Series B extension round of $70 million. The round is now totaling $80 million, bringing Course Hero’s total known venture capital to date to $95 million….
“But in Course Hero’s case, the new capital comes as a stark contrast to how the business functioned before 2020. After launching, the startup waited eight years to raise a $15 million Series A. Now, after going another nearly six years without raising venture capital, Course Hero has closed two rounds in this year alone.”
https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/26/course-hero-a-profitable-edtech-unicorn-raises-rare-cash/
I intend to write more about Pueyo, so this is good information. Still, I’m not going to accuse him of having that as his motive. He strikes me as someone who just wanted to “do good” (which I find far more dangerous, as such people tend to have no moral scruples).
Interestingly a few covid19 positive results came onto my results screen this week . Interesting as for months there has been none . Who were all these patients?. All were young aged around 19 , and all were students who had dutifully gone into the pied pipers testing van hundreds of miles away from the surgery.The students results go to their registered surgery which is where their parental home is . However their results for PHE , Hancock , Whitty and Vallance will indicate that there is an exponential rise in MY area and push us into the red zone ! ……Carl can you do some work here please?
I have just read Nurse Jessica s report from yesterday and can say that it is a very accurate report on what has been happening for the last six months. All the people I know who died with /of Covid19 were very unwell anyway , who were the revolving door with severe life threatening co morbidities or folk who were very old and frail with dementia.
As for the term bedwetter ; I would rather it is dropped . The blame for this fiasco needs to be put firmly and squarely on the Hancocks and Whittys of this world with rational fact based arguments. They with the mass medias help have terrified the people .
“their results…will indicate that there is an exponential rise in MY area and push us into the red zone !”
This sounds like classic NIMBYism to me. We don’t want any asymptomatic “cases”/false positives/infections of otherwise healthy young people to mean that there is any cause for alarm full stop. It’s not enough for you to only care about your own freedom in your nice rural area at the expense of those dirty Northern slums.
Don’t look to Carl Heneghan to sort this for you. He’s working on the bigger picture anyway. As a GP you should speak up yourself for your own community and tell everyone who’ll listen that it’s all b*llocks.
these positive tests are included in the figures and the message put out by the local councils. So mine last week told me that 16 students were tested positive whilst away at uni but they are included in my councils positive test total (and they were 1/6th of the total) .
They are probably also included in the universities area … i.e. double counted
Thanks for the courteous reply . Like most posters who reprimand me for not going ” public ” you have chosen to post with a name which can’t identify you publically. I presume your real name isnt ” SweetBabyCheeses ”
As for the doctors who have gone ” public ” . As well as having to face the wrath of the media and twatterati wanting to know their addresses, they also often lose their jobs.
https://gript.ie/hse-sacks-doctor-for-saying-coronavirus-less-severe-than-the-flu/
Agree with you that the term bedwetter should not be used. I feel only pity for all these people with facemasks and elderly going around with plastic gloves. Focus all our anger/hate on the cynical politicians in charge of this massive destructive psy op, Project Fear. The biggest deception of the population ever.
And as a a GP he will know that bewdwetting is primarily an affliction of boys, largely hereditary (passes through the female line) and generally clears up by 9-10 years of age. As such it has ruined the early lives of many boys sent away to boarding school at the age of 8. It is an absolute classic bullying term, and marks out the user as a public schooly bully.
I don’t feel at all sorry for them at all. I think they all deserve a huge slap across the face to stun them out of their selfish stupor.
not the pied piper ,, that includes dancing which is banned . I think the childcatcher- who already has his own prison wagon, is more appropriate
I’m sorry, but I profoundly disagree. To lay this solely at the feet of politicians, officials and media is to say that the population are nothing more than mindless idiots, incapable of any independent thought. And if we believe that, then really, we just want a benevolent dictatorship, because the population are then too stupid to know what is good for them.
It clearly looks that way now. But we must demand better of everyone, not just officials and media.
.They tested positive as it was a false positive test
I think of the bedwetters as people with low AQA (Ability to Question Authority).
I don’t have a problem with using the term bedwetters though, and think insults are a useful weapon in our armoury which may make some people (not all) think twice. Maybe it’s hitting home a bit too much for some people, how much do we know about the gentleman who’s questioning it?
I respectfully disagree that insults are a useful weapon, though they may help us let off steam. If we insult someone then their emotional response to that will take up all their attention and energy and they will not be able to process any information that might influence their thinking. It just makes the gap between 2 people/2 groups bigger. The govt is trying to gaslight and divide all of us. I think we’re just aiding and abetting them if we waste our anger on those who have been duped.
That’s very noble of you Charlie.
However the opposition will happily label and divide and conquer us using the same weapons. And then we lose.
We have to fight fire with fire.
The reason Trump was so successful four years ago was because he was the master of the Linguistic Kill Shot.
I respeçt that view. But sometimes starving the fire of oxygen works too. Fighting fire with fire means a war of attrition and when the other side is stronger in numbers and resources it is well worth considering alternative strategies. Deserters can be very valuable. Forgive the military analogies, but they seem apt.
Sunday Morning comment 3
For those who hope for some retribution against those in the NHS management and higher echelons for their contributions to cancer deaths and withdrawal of non covid treatments
Story in MoS about a midwife attending a birth, where her errors led to brain damage in a baby, whilst she was already banned due to failing essential medical training course.
Following high court case the trust has agreed to pay damages. (ie from public funds.
Is anyone disciplined or punished??
The midwife has retired (early). A doctor and a midwife have been sent for extra training .
And that’s it . The trust , Barts have just come out of 5 years special measures caused by poor A&E care, bullying , poor morale
The poll findings are entirely due to the Terror Campaign.
The public has been told a pack of lies, has been terrified by their televisions, newspapers and social media campaigns – not to mention the posters and floor markings etc.
If there had been no Terror Campaign, the polls would be different.
It’s a war of narratives.
I agree that the term “bedwetter” should be replaced. If anything, it’s too generous because it implies something beyond the control of the afflicted.
A better term would be “Covid-Sheep”
Millican’t understand that this is about more than offending people.
I think the term ”bedwetter” is quite tame, considering what these people are doing to the country…and I still use ”spazz” as a derisory name for someone.
Coronaphobics and Covid nazis. Drop the inappropriate term “bedwetter”.
Look everyone, it’s another word-cop wetting their drawers, telling us what’s appropriate to say and what’s not.
Were you all just waiting in the woodwork this whole time?
He’s a bed wetting maskhole
I really don’t understand your strange comment. My family and I have been 100% sceptical from day one and I am appalled at the attitudes of so many of my fellow citizens. However that is a very important point – they are my fellow citizens and as this nonsense recedes we all have to get along if we wish to re-establish a functioning society. Being angry all the time and insulting those you do not agree with only serves to polarise opinion whereas the goal of all of us should be to change people’s opinions. It may be painfully slow but I believe we are making progress.
Coronaphobes ?
Or ‘Ronaphobes’ for brevity.
I hit on ‘Ronamaniacs’ yesterday on a live stream/chat session but that is perhaps a little more insulting and so could be reserved for those we might currently label ‘Karens’
Yesterday, as it was world mental health awareness day, I went to Tesco with my 7 month old child (strapped to my front facing outwards) and instead of wearing a mask, I got a nappy and some black masking tape and attached the nappy to my face.
I got a couple of funny looks, but most zombies just carried on as if nothing was wrong.
Next time, I’ll try no mask. If anyone says anything, I’ll just tell them that I think I might be asthmatic.
If they say “you either are or you’re not”, I’ll just reply “well, I can’t tell because I can’t get in to see a doctor”.
Muppets
I did read that all diagnoses for asthma, copd etc have been put on hold as part of the test involves exhaling as hard as you can through one of those tube things and apparently that’s too dangerous for the nurse.
Happened to me in late Feb (Breathing problems…), just sent a script through to the Pharmacy. I check it weekly and discuss it with the nurse at the yearly review. It will work for some and not others.
Don van Vliet would be proud.
How about we let people use whatever words they like and stop behaving like the people we come here to seek refuge from, for Heaven’s fucking sake! Piss and moan and fiddle and faddle, ‘bedwetter’ shall not be retired!
What is it about groups of like-minded people, that when an opportunity for prudery arises so many just pounce on the opportunity to limit themselves and everyone else with appeals to ‘sensitivity’ or whatever effeminate nonsense? Is there NO ESCAPING the bedwetting gene? Why are we even discussing the bloody thing?
How far the mental termites spread!
I think “shit eater” is quite apt – walking round with a nappy on your face, fed shit by the government, quite happy to eat it.
Shit-Eating Bedwetter has a nice tonic taste to it
Bedwetters used as an insult is an absolute marker of a public school boys’ dormitory education. Nuff said.
And what is wrong with that, Sylvie?
I’m sensing some class snob-ism on this site all of a sudden. Prudery is a mind-killer (and a murderer of fun, more depressingly) – must we reduce ourselves to the same politically-correct pantomime our enemies resort to? Must we whinge and wet ourselves, must we nudge each other into dead-eyed conformity? Can you all just LET PEOPLE USE WHATEVER LANGUAGE THEY PREFER and NOT BE TOTAL CUNTS please?
If you’re just here to let off steam, a bit of catharsis, fine.
For those who want to change minds and behaviours, it’s a point worth noting. I don’t say bedwetter or sheeple or anything like that.
But if someone’s being an authoritarian prick I’ll still call them an authoritarian prick.
How about “Collaborators”?
Corona-bators?
coronanists
I like to remind bedwetters that their time will come.
Surely if this site wishes to bring about change it needs to recruit those who are genuinely terified. Insults have never won anyone over to a cause.
Bedwetters did not offend me. However, if it helps change it to “Dr Shipman types” Killing people off the back of medical expertise seems apt.
Exactly. The Nazis had scientists.
What we’re essentially discussing is the political correctness of words. If we say that the term bedwetter is too insulting then what argument should we have against the proposed bill in Scotland whereby anything you say could be deemed illegal just because somebody else takes offence at it?
A similar argument has been made for the term Herd Immunity with people saying they don’t appreciate being likened to cattle. I see little difference in that and those who are arguing that we should get rid of the gender terms man and woman.
It’s just a downward spiral of words being deemed offensive and people growing up unable to cope because of words they don’t like. Where does it end if not in a law that makes your words illegal just because somebody else takes offence?
“You called me a bedwetter. Bwaaa…”
“Prove me wrong then.”
“If we say that the term bedwetter is too insulting then what argument should we have against the proposed bill in Scotland whereby anything you say could be deemed illegal just because somebody else takes offence at it?”
How about: “Just because it’s insulting, doesn’t mean it should be illegal, dumbass.”
I was aghast to discover that Google has indeed shadow banned the Great Barrington Declaration. Google has become over-mighty and is now a serious threat to freedom of both thought and expression. It is time for national governments all over the world to legislate against google misusing its power in this way, and if governments will not do so then we need to start using a different search engine. Duck Duck Go sent me immediately to the correct place.
Great post. Do not use google. Use DuckDuckGo and tell people about it
A difference in algorithm does not necessarily imply shadow banning. I explained this is yesterday’s comments so won’t both going into it again here.
I didn’t see comment yesterday so sorry as you probably explained why I can’t find the declaration using google. But it does seem odd to me that what does come up are critical articles and no matter how far down I look on a google search I can’t find the gb declaration. Time for google to go from my phone I think.
Nothing wrong with using duckduckgo as your primary search engine. I do too. But I use chrome, android and gmail so there’s no way they won’t see my stuff still.
The point is, different search engines use different algorithms and claiming a shadow ban without any evidence or analysis or understanding of these is taking it a bit far. For Google, simply search “gbdeclaration” without the space.
Thank you, yes it did come up that way.
But that’s the point about “shadow-banning”. All the searches bring up the correct results if you type in the exact term; that’s not the problem. The difficulty is if you search for something that you have half-remembered. Then it never comes up. Use Duckduckgo or Yandex.
Is SARS-CoV-2 the new version of MRSA in our “world beating” NHS?
Yes in that both seem to be predominantly nosocomial.
No in that one is a mostly harmless respiratory virus and the other is an antibiotic resistant bacteria that I do think we have actual reason to fear (if an inpatient).
So so cross about the google shadow ban of the gb declaration and decided to use a different search engine on my phone and delete the google search engine. It’s a bit difficult to get away from google all together as it’s an android phone but I’ve even been thinking if a buy another phone I’ll buy an Apple.
I think I’ll try DuckDuckGo as a few people here mentioned yesterday that you can find the declaration using that and safari on my iPad still finds it.
I got so cross about Billybot’s interference I refused to renew my Microsoft subscription on my laptop this year, removed Windows and installed Linux.
It was a newish machine which made it easier. I then opted for a vpn, use firefox and installed duck duck go. Google on the phone is nuisance, will work on that next.
COVID-19 MASKS ARE A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND CHILD ABUSE
.Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity.
This is what she has to say about masks and their effects on our brains:
“When in ten years, dementia is going to increase exponentially, and the younger generations couldn’t reach their god-given potential, it won’t help to say “we didn’t need the masks”. I know how damaging oxygen depravation is for the brain, cardiologist knows it for the heart, the pulmonologist knows it for the lungs. Oxygen deprivation damages every single organ”. Who is responsible for this crime? The ones who want to enforce it? The ones who let it happen and play along, or the ones who don’t prevent it?[..]It’s not about masks, it’s not about viruses, it’s certainly not about your health. It is about much much more. I am not participating. I am not afraid. We are responsible for what we think, not the media. We are responsible for what we do, not our superiors. We are responsible for our health, not the World Health Organisation. And we are responsible for what happens in our country, not the government.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-masks-crime-against-humanity-child-abus.. (5 October 2020)
Listened to Wee Jimmie on Sophie Ridge. I got the impression that the penny has dropped and she knows that the virus cannt be stopped and that full lockdown is out of the question for economic reasons. However she has to save face given her previous actions so the restaurant shut/cafe open is all she can concede. Anyone who could bring themselves to watch it have a different take?
Her hands are tied regarding lockdowns because Scotland is reliant on financial support from the UK government to cover the costs. If there was an unlimited budget there is no doubt that she would have a national lockdown for as long as it takes.
She is also under increasing pressure as her latest measurex have not been as well received as she probably expected them to be. Also the Alex Salmond business is catching up on her and I reckon this will be her downfall; I think her days as FM are numbered.
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1315202883755876353?s=20
His point on a fog of data just indicate just how much effort has been wasted discussing measurements of cases, hospitalisations and comparing across countries. Often I think its next to pointless it’s so broad
I’ve been preparing some questions for the Stasi when they arrive in my neighbourhood…
1) What is you full name, job title and what organisation do you work for? If you are not allowed to give your name do you have some sort of asset reference number?
2) Who do you report to? (Full name and job title, organisation, phone number)
3) What exactly is your role? What have you been ordered to do?
4) What powers do you have?
5) Will you accept any order from your superiors?
6) Do you have any training in ethics to do this role?
7) Have you ever heard of the Numerburg principles?
8) Do you know the difference between common law and statute law?
If they refuse to answer any of these questions, then they should be informed that they have no right to tell people what to do and then tell them to do one.
If course, I will have my face totally covered during this time and will not give any personal details to them.
When it happens, I’ll be sure to record and post the conversation on brand new tube.
Fun times ahead…
Asset reference number aaahahaa good work.
Just ignore them. Name, rank and number only if they’ve got a warrant.
The Accepting? The Reticent?
I was always somewhat dubious about the term. Really not good for a public forum.
In honour of our Brave New World, how about “soma-suckers”?
In general I don’t believe that the actual words matter. What does matter is the effect you desire in using such words.
If you want to get people onside then it is probably better to use words with less negative connotations.
I don’t think words in themselves are inherently offensive, usually people choose to take offence if it suits their purpose. It is the intent with which they’re used that is more important.
Who’s copying WHO, a doubletake, one from Boris, same from Biden.
Biden
And people STILL think it is just incompetence!
The WHO used the phrase back in 2013, relating to mental health following emergencies. I’ve found references to the same phrase by UNICEF in 2005, following the 2004 tsunami. The Clinton Foundation used it in 2011 relating to Haiti; and Clinton also described it as “post-crisis recovery [which] should not be merely a return to the status quo ante but an attainment of a ‘new normalcy’.”
So neither Johnson nor Biden are that clever, or that original. But we knew that.
If you put the phrase ‘build back better’ into a search engine, followed by just about ANY country’s name, you’ll get loads of results.
They are ALL in on it. Hive mind.
Biden is the one with the record of plagiarism.
Someone needs to explain to Biden that he needs to wash his hands every time he fiddles with his potentially pathogen laden mask.
oh and;
herd immunity deniers are killing granny
Get used to the lockdowns kids. Here’s Rowan Dean, Sky Australia commenting on the great reset. And oh boy does Charlie cop some criticism!
Sorry, here is the link.
https://youtu.be/GeykREAlYSg
Having worked for large business consultancy, we were always well aware of that. You basically embrace those that get on board with the change from day 1. Push them into more influential positions within the project. The thing is, many of those actual individuals knew this as well and that to embrace the change rather than fight it was the only option.
We had similar in the large govt organisation I worked for, CM. There was only a couple of us who could quietly question the directives. We were bound by codes of conduct, anti discrimination, anti corruption, inclusivity agreements etc etc. None of which were necessary as we would never had made anyone feel uncomfortable in a workplace but privately our beliefs/values were different to the organisations. Technically we weren’t even allowed to discuss it.As Bebop sayes accepting it was the only options. And that is what I hate about all of this lockdown restriction stuff. It is too sinister. So glad I can access LS.
Very interesting – do you think they have delayed the next Davos conference because they have been rumbled sooner than they wished, and want to have implemented more of the programme before more people ‘wake up’? Or might it be because of the Crimes against Humanity’ case?
I don’t know Carrie. Rowan suggested that participants wouldn’t be keen due to it being freezing and during COVID. But you could be right on both. I used to think it was just a bunch of mad old rich men indulging wicked fantasies, but the fact that our govt sends representatives really bothers me. If you get people such as Daniel Andrews there with his meglomaniac tendencies who knows how far it could go.Especially now as worldwide populations have been ‘softened up’ to the restrictions in place. It would be very easy to make sweeping changes to an already browbeaten population.
Listening to local radio this morning, new advert on.
It’s telling people the organ donation scheme has changed “to save lives” and you need to opt out, not opt in.
Makes it sound like if you opt out you’re an anti-social git like non-mask wearing.
All part of the your body is our’s, not your’s plan.
Whoa, that’s darned scary AG. It should only ever be an opt in process. I have opted in as my sister in law had a double lung transplant a few years ago. She had 3 months of breathing easy before she sadly passed away. Totally respect anyone’s decision to opt out though. Can you imagine the kind of abuse this could could lead to? Very sinister indeed.
Law changed back in May. I am happy for any bit of me I can no longer make use of to be used to help someone else, but that should be my choice. Anyone who wants to opt out can do it here
https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/register-your-decision/
It’s been that way for some time now. I was always of the mind that anyone could have anything they could take if it would help someone else. But it’s MY decision, not the state’s. So every single time this comes up I go back to the page and re-opt out as it seems the register conveniently ‘forgets’ your choice. I change a detail each time to be sure it registers. For example, today, I’ve chosen ‘Prefer not to say’ under the gender classification; mostly I just change my religion. When I’ve gone, my next of kin are welcome to change their minds about my kidneys or brain or whatever, and they know that, but I’m not letting the state think they can decide for me.
That the register ‘conveniently forgets’ your choice is VERY worrying – they should not opt people back in automatically. People will assume that if they have opted out then that is it – they have opted out.
How often is the register updating and opting people back in?
This is important information that needs to be spread widely…
I opted out the moment they changed the system to one of ‘assumed consent’….and I’m sure I am not alone.
How can the system reset and you have to opt-out again?
How can I check this?
Because there’s a button to email them and ask them to check your entry. Last time I did that I got a ‘no record of your decision’ response. Which means you’re opted in.
I’m not sure the website was put together by anyone with English as a first language, anyway. It states:
Who is affected?The opt out system applies to everyone in England, except for those who are part of what are called excluded groups.
Excluded groups are:
So basically, you can’t opt out if you’re a kid, someone with a mental disability, a trafficked person, a recent immigrant or a tourist, and we can take any of your bits we fancy.
I’m sure that’s not what they mean. But it’s what that says.
I opted out as soon as the all changed.
I don’t mind donating was long as it’s MY decision (or my wife’s at the time) but I’m damned if they will take it from me with out asking.
They claim they won’t but I don’t believe that for one second they way mission creep and normalisation of deviance works in these things.
I have opted out, but if my family decide to donate my organs I don’t mind.
The Welsh ‘government’ assumed ownership of our bodies several years ago. I was one of the first to opt out. Habeam corpus.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/fai-covid-case-that-led-to-connolly-and-idah-missing-slovakia-defeat-was-false-positive-39609951.html
You couldn’t make it up!
TLDR 2 International footballers missed playing for Ireland against Slovakia due to a “positive” COVID19 test, which it turns out was a false positive.
Haha. I’ve got so many people I can forward this to. When Irish Football and Covid come together it’ll make their tiny minds explode. I actually think it may even make them start to take notice of the test farce, despite the fact I’ve sent them medical journal articles describing the issues.
As is the lack of serious thought among this demographic
There was some Scottish football team where five, I think, players tested positive. All false. Last night, Shaqiri for Switzerland, was ‘allowed’ to play after his positive was found to be false. Lost one-nil against what must have been the most boring Spain side I’ve seen in a long time.
These false positives are playing havoc with footie betting as games are off, then on, then off, then on again. How’s a poor bookie supposed to cope?
The football media pundits are becoming more forceful in saying that some way should be found to allow crowds back into stadiums, even if numbers are limited. But I fear the only permitted option will involve everyone having to be masked.
Indeed, but they’re not being forceful enough. Fans’ organisations need to speak out forcefully, too. Otherwise, by the time we all get back to mouth-searing Bovril and barely-heated ‘meat’ pies (neither available at FGR though!), the American owners of ManU and Liverpool will be running the whole show.
So is this the beginning of the end for this nonsense if Boris & co are now ridding themselves of responsibility and passing the buck to local Mayors etc? Sounds like a potential get out clause for them.
Councils love closing things as it gives them a feeling of power without having to do anything constructive. The last retail services to reopen in my area were those in the council-run indoor markets, several weeks after the non-essential shops.
I’m sorry, but miserable, poe-faced coffin-dodgery is not what we need right now. It is the tool of our enemies.
We need to maintain a sense of humour, and the more we bend to such delicate little flowers (who seem to be salty about their own age-ravaged condition), the more our latitude for raucous debate is reduced.
I think we should stop using hurty words to describe these utter morons.
We need more of those delicate little flowers on our side!
How do you expect things to improve if you alienate our potential allies before they start to look at some alternative info?
Interested to know what others think about Dr John Campbell’s enthusiasm for mask wearing. I’ve seen a few of his podcasts and had been quite impressed with what he has said about vitamin D etc. Was watching this one tonight and was really turned off by his attitude around mask wearing. Would like your thoughts.
https://youtu.be/axbsErEDkNg
I too am ambivalent towards John Campbell, his use of the title Dr., although correct as he has a PhD, people assume he is a physician. He is in fact a former nurse.
Oh really, thanks 003..
I watched a few of his videos at the start, when it was unclear whether this was serious or not. However, once it became clear it wasn’t and he was still talking about it like it was, I stopped watching him.
I like the ‘bedwetter’ label for bedwetters – but we aren’t going to convince people that lockdown is bad and herd immunity good, by insulting them
Maybe not but it makes us feel better.
Fine in the comments but could be used more carefully in Toby’s posts – we want people to read the articles and labelling people en masse is not going to help us.
If you are an older person with other illnesses and genuinely worried about the virus, coming to this site and finding Toby’s post repeatedly describing you as a bedwetter is not going to make you want to read the blog or join us…
Gooble-gobble gooble-gobble
One of us, one of us
Etc.
Nice to see doctors speaking out. But if their supposed representative at the BMA is making “recommendations” supposedly (and in practice) in their names, then they need to get together to publicly reprimand that representative, and preferably replace him.
If they don’t then the recommendation stands, in practice, in their collective names.
Is there a move by doctors to act on this latest travesty by the BMA? I have heard lots of complaints from doctors over the years about the BMA, much as we hear complaints from teachers and other unionised groups about their so called representatives, but there’s almost never any action.
Most doctors are not members of the BMA . In my junior days it was known as the ” gaffers union ” ; just for the consultants. Over the last twenty years it has like every institution in the UK from the National Trust to the National Library become very political and orientated towards the left. At present it is just a plaything for the Marxist Prof Trish Greenhalgh .
Quite a lot of them are, though. The ever convenient if not ever reliable Wikipedia says: “currently 159,000 doctors and 19,000 medical students are members of the association“, and Statista says; “in 2019, almost 301 thousand doctors were registered in the United Kingdom (UK)“. So more than half. And it obviously has state recognition and general media presence as the de facto representative of doctors’ collective opinion.
If, as you say (and I don’t doubt it), it has been captured (like so many of our institutions) by the long marchers, then surely it’s up to doctors to clean house? Who else is going to?
The BMA is a Union more than it is a representative body and has been just as hijacked by bien pensant agendas as any other public sector or teaching union. They have actively participated in and encouraged the de-professionalisation of their own profession and deserve to be listened to about as carefully as you would listen to NASUWT
Absolutely, my point is just that this is a problem that needs to be addressed by action taken by those the body in question claims to represent and is usually presented in the media as representing.
Well, it had to happen, didn’t it! The second someone with a complex complains about a word the prudes amongst us just go for broke. It’s as though there’s a switch in people’s brains that goes off the second an opportunity for control arises. The bedwetting gene is real.
Is there really nowhere one can go to find relief from this sort of effeminate snobbery? It’s like a physical law, at this point. There’s no escaping the bedwetting mindset, is there? Our culture is trapped by fear of offense, fear of not fitting in – word-policing is about as fearful as it gets… Down-vote all you like, but purifying and purging language is wrong. And I think there may be a class-element rearing it’s shrunken pickled head here, as well.
Principals are important. I deal with politically correct pseudo-bohemians every day and their fear and their conformity drives me to despair. Policing language is the first step. A word is just a word until you make it a cudgel. Stop being cunts to one another, live and let live, bedwetter is appropriate and now you’ve made it even more so.
‘Bedwetters’ Forever, I say.
How many posts have you made about this now? Maybe keep it to one thread rather than making loads more, else you’ll come across like a bedwetter.
My lord, you types exist to prove a point. Thank you for demonstrating exactly what it is about this sort of rot that clings and clings and won’t let go until control has been established and ‘consensus’ reigns. It’s not just about a word anymore. Again, principles are important. Do the policing thing all you’d like, I’ll push back on the side of more speech, not less.
Oh I thought it was principals that were important? Probably best clean your sheets before fixing your words though.
Are you autistic?
That’s pretty insulting to people who are autistic.
Being a pedantic c*nt who can spell is not the same as being autistic. I am the former.
You took the bait exactly as I knew you would. The insult-taking is too predictable! Or maybe you’re taking the piss at this point. If not, then this routine of yours is just more effeminate snobbish nonsense ‘of a certain class’ (one suspects), and you’re being an officious bedwetting cunt.
Word policing – it’s ‘offence’ – unless you’re American?- and ‘principles’.
Bedwetters is a term that may include misguided fools, the easily led, the straightforwardly simple minded, and Government shills, in short, emotionally stunted individuals of all sorts. As long as they are over 18 they deserve everything they get.
There is a little schoolmarmish club of prudes and scolds and red-pencils milling around the comments today seemingly determined to make every one of my points for me, it seems.
Typing on a phone with one hand as the other’s out of commission, but you don’t actually care about the ‘why,’ you’re just on a power trip.
I have been complaining on here about the term since the start of this blog with no effect. I’m afraid it’s a fact that our enemies use the term to discredit us and therefore the cause. For that fact alone you should desist. It also makes you sound like public schoolboy.
That’s correct, your complaints have been ignored, just as they should be, just like all hecklers’ complaints should be. Yours is a petty, weaseling method, petulant and snobbish and meddlesome; the impulse to dictate what is ‘correct’or ‘proper’ by controlling others’ speech ‘from behind’ is a pathetic one and deserves to be ridiculed. I get it, it’s a form of group therapy for all of you. You make a ritual out of offence-taking, it gives you a purpose and a direction: others’ language is the easiest thing to threaten, that’s why the Woke movement is devouring the zeitgeist presently. But the fixation is a perverse one. No good comes from censorship. And forget it with that cunting class babble, I won’t take the bait. You’re wrong and your tribe of scolds and tut-tutters is wrong. I hope Toby doesn’t cave to the pressure.
PS principals are important mainly because they run schools. Principles are important as a key element of ethics or morality. Yes words do matter.
So posh Tory boy puts a shit letter in his blog to throw everybody off track on meaningless waffle
I’m genuinely in two minds over the term bedwetters. On balance, I understand that it probably does put some people off so there’s a pragmatic case for dropping it, but on the other hand a lot of the problem we have in this country over free discussion comes from kowtowing to offence-mongering, so there’s an inclination to dig the heels in at any manifestation of it.
I’m the same as you but tactically it’s possible to use words in a “specific and limited way” without necessarily conceding the argument for free speech.
Well yes and no. Once you’ve started using a term and it has become as established as this one has here, there’s really no honest hiding from the reality that if you stop using it under pressure from those claiming that it’s “offensive”, then you are kowtowing to that tactic. And imo the overuse and over-effectiveness of that tactic is a real and significant problem in our society.
We need to change our culture from one that expects people to police their own speech and thereby enables manipulative scumbags to engage in speech control, back to one that expects a degree of maturity and thick skinnedness on the part of participants in adult society.
So the point is to be very careful only to do that (cease using the term) if you really are very sure that it is genuinely too costly to continue with. Otherwise the response should be to double down on it, on principle.
No compromise, a bit like (though not exactly like) Andrew Neill’s response to the Co-op’s perceived bullying:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-spectator-the-co-op-and-cancel-culture-a-cautionary-tale
I’ve made the suggestion that Toby should avoid it in the headlines/taglines to articles, in order to not immediately put people off, but should be free to use it in the body of articles – just maybe not quite as often.
I feel the ‘peestain-on-mattress’ image is unnecessarily off-putting (and somewhat juvenile) and should maybe be avoided completely.
In the comments – people who wish to should be free to use it – though it has been interesting and fun to see the various proposed alternative terms that have appeared today in the comments. Variation is a good thing!
I can confirm that I have successfully offended loads of people who have been sucked in by the covid-fear hype without ever having used the term.
Maybe I deserve a badge or lanyard or something.
that’s a great idea – medals for lockdown sceptics who go above and beyond….
What is so difficult about letting people say whatever they like, however they like, without reference to semantics or ‘strategy,’ without infantilizing anyone and without insinuating our own prejudices and delicate feelings in the offing? Must you be of any mind except an open one?
Sam, I’m sure you choose your words carefully depending on the situation. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the term bedwetter but there’s a difference in using the term generally, say when writing on this forum, and saying it to somebody directly if you’re trying to elicit a specific response from them.
For example, it’s one thing to think your boss is an arsehole but another to say it to their face when you’re looking for a pay rise.
Of course you’re right, and I understand that people deserve to be reached if they can be. Humor & invective gets some of us over a hump, won’t work for others. All I’m counter-complaining about is the impulse to restrict anyone. That’s all.
Now I know you’re American. Land of extremes. And extremists.
You’re a petty snivelling little martinet, aren’t you?
That’s more like it. See, the more Shakespearean you can get, the more effective. Keep on sledging.
Could you be any more of a curtains-twitching stereotype?
Bedwetters, the term – pros and cons
Pro
It’s an apt insult for coronapanickers. It has the right connotations of excessive fearfulness and immaturity. Those people need to be insulted and doing so here helps let off steam and to build team spirit in opposition to them (though almost any apt insult would serve as well for that).
The people objecting to it are mostly using the contemptible “offence” argument against it.
Cons
It also has unhelpful connotations of public school bullying and therefore has a bit of an old fashioned upper class vibe.
It undoubtedly puts people off, for various reasons.
So it’s both a class and playground thing, eh? All the more reason to requisition it! It’s the upper classes who are wrecking our countries, after all. What are we, traumatized children? Why burden ourselves with unnecessary pretensions?
i agree…and i will continue to use it (and i dont think the public school thing is relevant – over most peoples heads)
but as an alternative how about a “covid snowflake” Most of us already refer to those people that cannot take criticism, reality etc etc as snowflakes and it seems to be a similar mindset in those that will not question the government / MSM covid mantra.
On tests:
On hospital admissions
on data
https://twitter.com/enternoon/status/1314643231221714945?s=20
https://twitter.com/lissnup/status/1314741648543408135?s=20
on deaths
https://twitter.com/oliviakingia/status/1314856351458373632?s=20
We know the virus acts like every other seasonal virus ( why wouldn’t it) so as we head into winter there will be a normal increase in cases.
we know that this rise isn’t exponential. Data from around the world shows us this. Why would it suddenly be different in the UK.
We know that lockdowns have no appreciable affect on the spread of Covid other than perhaps delay and we can see now that this the case because flu/pneumonia cases are rising this time of year as they do every year.
we know that there is no evidence for the efficacy of masks.
All the above is just a tiny snapshot of the wealth of evidence against current strategy.
So where the testing is seriously flawed, the data in recording admissions or deaths is seriously flawed and the measures introduced to prevent spread are flawed to the point of being useless what really is going on?
surely Governments can’t be so utterly stupid?
I can’t make up my mind whether its gross stupidity combined with a massive arse covering exercise to hide incompetence or something more sinister. I’m inclined to think it is but it is also being used by groups and individuals to push their own agenda (WEF) etc and for others to make monumental amounts of money on the back of it. The perfect storm for us proles.
Ultimately I think we are completely screwed.
Our politicians are completely nonplussed and bamboozled by science and statistics and have let single minded gloom infected scientists walk all over them instead of managing them like they should have. I think Mrs Thatcher as a trained scientist would have handled the science and stats in a much more realistic manner. They should really follow the evidence not the doom-laden soothsaying.
Even so I think many have woken up to the fact that these ‘infected case’ numbers are getting a bit ridiculous, huge numbers announced everyday but life carries on OK! They are now peddling the potential overwhelming of the NHS. What this seems to mean is that they may not have enough critical care beds in the North West, this does not seem like an insurmountable problem.
On PCR this has been doing the rounds in Ireland. Confirmation that CT is 40 to 45. Source unconfirmed but it purports to be from the Irish Health authority the HSE
That information needs to be tweeted widely to people like Peter Hitchens, Julia H-B, Mike Yeadon, Ivor Cummins, Simon Dolan et al..
I use to make the same argument about the word “libtard,” because I was a liberal, and that word got in the way of open discussion and debate…….. BUT……. as soon as I realised I really was playing for the wrong side and these people are – indeed – libtards, the word didn’t bother me anymore. I was a libtard. I accept that. Many, many, many still are.
If you censor yourself, they win. If you seek to censor others, they double win. Censorship is the game here. Don’t lose sight of that. No one who is offended by the term bedwetter as to refuse to listen or read any longer is no loss. They aren’t ready (at least not yet) to accept that they are – by extension – bedwetters.
Edit: I’d like to add that I’ve tried both ways with bedwetters and libtards….. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF YOU OFFEND THEM OR NOT! They are ideologically possessed, and you can’t force them to see anything. They must see it for theirselves, and a single word: bedwetter, libtard, piece of shit, whatever, is not going to make any difference. If you still think rational debate exists, then you clearly haven’t been paying attention. You can’t debate rationally with a fucking zombie.
Suddenly you’re a rare breed around here, Ty. Isn’t it amazing how fast the germ of censorship spreads? People muzzling themselves by choice, using the same old typical and terrible excuses (inclusion, sensitivity, etc). What makes them different from the lemmings we scoff at? Are truth and irony to be subordinated to political correctness yet again?
I agree with everything you wrote, coming from a similar ideological background myself. The Bedwetter Gene is real. Prudery runs in the blood. They can’t see that they are the ones wetting themselves – offence-taking is a powerful intoxicant. Capitulation to the neurotic mob is, too.
Sad day for this website. I know it’s a ‘little’ thing but it’s really really not.
I didn’t say you did, that’s dishonest. But you’re genuflecting anyway to the prudes amongst us by making a point about abstaining from the use of the b-word (peace be upon it), which I find rather… limp.
I will say I’m getting over taking roughly the hypocrisy of allies in this ‘freedom’ struggle; everyone, almost everyone is basically the same inside. I’ve seen it in my local activism group. There is a widespread need to be ruled, to be liked, to be thought fondly of, etc. I think truth is more important, as is mirth, as is provocation; I don’t believe coddling neurotic tremblers is conditional for “victory” – in fact, it demeans the struggle.
I don’t believe in coddling anyone, for that matter, not good friends, not enemies of freedom. If you don’t reject language control you enable it by being passive. “Oh, I wouldn’t say THAT” is just another way of saying “don’t target me, I’m good, I’m a team player.” It’s exactly that sort of kneeling to popular opinion that our enemies employ to keep their subjects in check.
Good to see we’re just as up on our herd mentality when it comes to the “basics.”
Oh, but it’s just a word! We get it, Samhurt, we get it. Stop complaining, etc.
Excellent summary TyLean
I like “Coronaphobe” and my own “Farce Masker.”
Just caught up with the south park pandemic special linked here a few days ago I’m amazed at how much it on our side – in a very clever way. It’s a must watch.
I’m looking forward to the climate reaching a certain tipping point when the writers can go full bore! We might already be there depending on when it was animated.
*** STOP PRESS *** STOP PRESS *** STOP PRESS ***
NORTHERN LEADERS REVEAL LIST OF DEMANDS
With new restrictions to be announced on Monday, Northern leaders are demanding extra powers from the Tory government
Andy Burnham, Mayor of Manchester, demands the ability to heal the sick, with optionally the ability to walk upon water:
“I have almost mastered walking on water myself,” said Mr Burnham, “But without support from central government my healing abilities are limited”
Joe Anderson OBE, Mayor of Liverpool has demanded the ability to raise the dead.
“This is what the people of Liverpool need at this challenging time,” said Mr Anderson,
“It’s completely unfair of the Tories to keep these powers to themselves”
Dan Jarvis MP, Sheffield City Region Mayor, demands £182 billion to make South Yorkshire “Covid Safe”.
This bold plan will include covering the county with warning signage at 2 meter intervals and 17 million public hand sanitizer stations.
No goverment minister was available for comment, other than Robert Jenrick, who is Secretary of State for something or other
Haha! You might be close to the truth there!
They do not give a flying fuck about local business, hospitality in these places is a mainstay of the local economies.
But when it comes to slaughter
All the mayors will walk on water,
And you’ll lick the bloomin’ boots of marshals (Covid).
If only our elected mayors actually stood for something. It’s what they were elected for, after all. There was an interesting piece in today’s Mercola email about the consitutional role of sheriffs: basically, if they choose locally to properly enforce constitutional rights of citizens, then there can be no forced vaccine, no unconstitutional dictats from state governors or the like. I especially liked this sentence:
If enough people get involved, we can create Constitutional counties and take back America, county by county, one sheriff at a time.
The elected mayors should get together, act on behalf of the people who put them there, and refuse to kowtow to this unscientifically-led government. Then we might start getting somewhere.
Yes, that article is definitely worth reading for anyone here who lives in the USA!
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/11/richard-mack-sheriff-civil-liberties.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20201011Z1&mid=DM679604&rid=984888483
On the subject of the bedwetter epithet, I believe the frequent and consistent use of the insult is more important than the actual insult itself.
Some years ago, my Latin teacher would encourage us to loudly mock any pupil who made a mistake in their translation by shouting “Joey!” and then shaking our arms spastically and making groaning sounds.
Needless to say, this treatment was a particularly strong disincentive to letting one’s mind wander in class, and I think our Latin abilities benefited from this social pressure. It wasn’t like being told off by a teacher: there was no way to convince yourself that doing badly in Latin was a badge of honour when every one of your peers was taking the piss out of you.
The Joey in question was a man suffering from cerebral palsy who was being featured on the television series Blue Peter. At the time our teacher did not realise this, and thought that he was just tapping into some popular schoolyard meme. When he learnt the origin of the jeer he was mortified and put a stop to the whole thing. Our Latin lessons were never the same again.
Anyway, the point I’m trying to make here is that whatever insult we land on, the insult must be used.
The more social pressure we can bring to bear on people who uncritically swallow the fear narrative, the more chance we have of turning the tide. However, this will not work if we cannot bring ourselves to utter the insult publicly and frequently.
I personally am not particularly comfortable using the term bedwetter as it opens us up to accusations of unfairness to troubled children and so provides ammunition for our opponents. I would prefer to see something along the lines of sheep or zombie.
Sheep is particularly good because it does not require any PR campaign to explain what it means. If I baaaaaa! at a mask wearer, there is no ambiguity about what I am implying.
Additionally, calling somebody a sheep (or baaing at them) does not require a lengthy discussion about mask wearing or PCR testing. It simply says, “I am your peer and I disapprove of you.”
As a final point to Toby, I’d like to say that the worst outcome here would be to retire bedwetter without replacing it with something else. We need something, and if that something is bedwetter, then so be it.
Whatever anyone thinks, ‘bedwetter’ is firmly established. And if they don’t like it, they need to stop being one. Simples.
Mabel and Tom have the right idea. Surprised at how many of us are all too eager to resemble the lemmings we scoff at every day! Bedwetter is not going anywhere, I don’t care how much piss und drang ye ‘wetters gin up!
The use of expressions such as “bedwetter”, ‘”sheep”, “face nappy”, etc is certainly juvenile. But this is no time for sensitivity or playing by the rules. Our opponents aren’t. Mocking works. And even it doesn’t it feels good.
Joey Deacon
What a laugh I the playground after Blue Peter kids are rather callous.
Personally the term’ bedwetter’ makes me think of the (very old now) children’s book series about a boys’ prep school featuring characters called ‘Jennings’ and ‘Darbishire’. It seems to be used more often by men than women – possibly because it is generally females who deal with the results of ‘real’, literal bedwetting and so have another perspective on the word? And I find the often-used ‘peestain-on-mattress’ image is a bit much and unnecessarily off-putting.
That said I do not wish to curb free speech, but it seems clear that the use of the word bedwetter is clearly off-putting to some people, and we do not wish to do anything that will stop people listening to our message. And remember too, that Toby is seen as a bit of a ‘Marmite’ character in wider society, making it sometimes harder to get his message heard.
I propose a compromise: That Toby avoids using the word ‘bedwetter’ in the headlines or taglines/descriptions of articles in his posts, and also avoids the ‘peestain-on-mattress’ image; BUT can if he wishes, use the word in the main texts, though he might consider more variation between that particular term and others.
In the comments people should be free to use it.
Thoughts?
How about we let others be free to decide for themselves how they choose to express themselves, without reference to public opinion, without fearing what the mob or the Worthies think? Can you not see what you’re doing by even broaching the subject of a ‘compromise’? Why, because a neurotic trembler took issue with a perfectly acceptable tongue-in-cheek term? That’s what bedwetters do, they police language. They sanitize language! Come on, people, what is going on today? We’re supposed to be the free ones, dammit.
You clearly did not read my comment – I did not say the term should be banned, just that Toby could consider being careful *where* in the texts he uses the term, in order not to immediately put people off – possibly new readers who may already be a bit sceptical about him as a person – and prevent them from reading beyond the headlines… And name-calling is rarely an effective means of persuading people of your argument.
Only that I loved Jennings and Darbisnire. And dear, understanding Mr Carter and irascible Old Wilkie.
‘Seems to be used more often by men than women ‘ . Of course it is. It’s part of that ritual insult strutting that defers and can prevent them actually coming to blows. It’s exactly the same as the way boys use gay, queer, shirt lifter and all the other homosexual insults – they know about it , they fear it, they fear they might be prone to it – it’s a pre emptive strike.
I think l’m with you, Carrie. But I’ve wasted too much time today reading about this topic.
The Jennings stories are enjoyable but I don’t think bedwetting was ever mentioned!
I might as well go completely off topic and mention that my main childhood reading was Enid Blyton, later Richmal Crompton’s William, and WE John’s Biggles and Gimlet, but the William stories are the ones that I can still return to with pleasure
‘I am your peer and I disapprove of you’ – sure sign of a Karen.
You’ve hurt my feelings. I’d like to speak to your manager, please.
Actually I’d just finished upticking some of your other comments, and was so surprised by that one I wondered if you really meant it. As for Uncle Sam of the Hurt Feelings, to be fair, they probably mean something different by public school than we do. Always perilous to meddle in other countries’ linguistic bunfights, the nuances get lost in translation.
Ok, I’ll go with sheep, covers all the bases.
Baaah, I’ll conform, baah. The irony!
I really thought I had found a special group of folks on this site. I should’ve known the same madness, the same jealous zeal I encounter every day in the politically correct world would find it way here. Language control is the road to Hell. It’s a big part of why our civilisation is collapsing. What is it about prudery that you all find so appealing? What is so compelling about forcing your sensitivities on other people?
The desire to choose our words carefully has nothing to do with conformity or political correctness.
We want to win, and winning will require that we convert the general public to our way of thinking.
If the language we choose causes the general public to ignore our message then we are not being effective.
Bedwetter was just a word, and now it is a cudgel. Every time you give ground to some trembling neurotic complainer, you are sharpening the knife that will eventually cut off your own tongue. Isn’t this obvious? If not, why not? You and the rest of the Grundies on this site gave it a power it didn’t have. And now you are providing a solution to a problem of your own invention.
This is the kind of mercenary thinking that propagandists deal in. That you even think in terms of conversion says it all, dunnit? So this isn’t about Truth. It’s about opinion. Power.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Of course it’s about power.
The government has all the power and I have none.
They can do anything they damn well like to me, and not only is there nothing I can do about it, but the general public happily supports whatever the government suggests.
I’m just looking for anything that will stop my family’s last breath having the almond taste of Zyklon B. The Truth will be of little value to me when I’m lying in a mass grave.
Joey Deacon. I was at primary school during “peak Joey” we all did it. Sticking our toungues into our lower lip, flapping our arms about, smacking one hand on top of the other one or against your face and going “nuuuuung Joey!”
A totally universal thing to do back in 1981 for school kids.
Joey was the first person with cerebral palsy ever to be on the telly, when he appeared we as a nation of youngsters were shocked to see such a disability. The message was people like this are just like us despite their disability. Ground breaking stuff. At that time people with CP were often “cared for” in “mental asylums” and never integrated with the outside world.
It was the start of community integration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Deacon
Agreed, bedwetter isn’t going to win anyone over to our side.
Face nappy wearers? Or chin hammock wearers maybe.
Something that makes people think about how ridiculous they look.
Its amazing how many still think this is about a virus which was downgraded in March to low mortality. So many still can’t see that the Fear of it will bring about a Vaccine ID which will control movement for the more ‘sustainable’ planet Agenda 21 is all about. All of the silly rules, 6 people, 30 funerals, 15 weddings, 10pm curfew, all bring the people into a control mindset, that no longer can you just do as you want, makes the ID bit easier to accept, they hope.
Exactly – well said!
Justs ent to teh BMA along with my e-mail from June just for the hell of it:
Sirs,
Well 4 moths has passed since you ignored my previous e-mail but after reading about your press reelase yesterday and your call for more mask and face covering wearing I had a bad case of deja vu except thsi time I have heard of your members saying “they do not represent us” or “they never asked us our opinion” or “they took it upon themselves to say this, nothing to do with the members”.
My comments and questions in the previous e-mail still stand.
More evidence has come to light over the past 4 months that mask wearing or face coverings work but are actually detrimental to people’s physical and mental health in addition to teh one’s quoted in my original e-mail.
One further question to add to those in my prevsious e-mail you never answered – how will restricting alcohol sales stop transmission of a virus?
Maybe this time you might condecend to reply with something meaningful and based on facts and science that can be verified and is not just soundbites, whishful thinking and pro-narrative “do as you are told by your betters” agenda following totallitarian edicts and dictat.
My local Patient’s Group – please pass this onto the surgery. Thank you.
Arise Sir Awkward of Git.
I really hope John Ioannidis, who correctly forecast that this would be a largely nosocomial disease, gets an apology for the attacks on him for some of his earlier studies. The latest one in the links today, has this very important part…
Global infection fatality rate is 0.15‐0.20% (0.03‐0.04% in those <70 years)
An apology? Oh no, he was already the enemy before all of this for daring to be a proper scientist and point out how much of the “science” happening is utter pants. He’s a very rare breed indeed and should be receiving awards, but he won’t get anything but abuse and might even lose his career. We’re going the way of Trofim Lysenko, and those who opposed his idiocy were executed or thrown into the Gulag. We think it’s bad now, but this is a cake walk compared to how bad it can get.
Let’s hope it doesn’t get that far.
Not a chance. Those that trashed him had agendas that are yet to be haulted. Almost as soon as I had heard of CV-19 his name was being mentioned. And PCR was being discussed as flawed. That Globalist agendas were behind this. And it’s still rolling on.
What a depressing winter we’re getting with Lockdown II, continued coronabollocks and a cancelled Christmas. And with less furlough, it’ll be much worse for many.
I’m not in favour of censorship. People should not be afraid of letting other people know how they feel. However, I think it is worth considering what you are trying to achieve, and what is the best language to influence your opponent.
If your objective is simply to let off steam then “Bedwetter” is fine. The number of Lockdown enthusiasts reading this site is minimal.
If your comments are for a wider audience, including people whose minds you need to change, then more conciliatory language is needed. For example, the Barrington Declaration avoids the use of the term “bedwetter”.
I also agree, though, with those who say we have spent too long being nice. Our MPs, for example, need to know exactly how we feel.
Why Lockdown makes sense
You are told people are getting ill
You are told that people have investigated this and have concluded that it is a new illness that is going to spread.
You are told that the rate of spread and seriousness of the illness is such that action must be taken.
You are told more people are getting this new illness and dying from it.
You are told that unless action is taken 500,000 could die.
You are told that the only way to stop this is a lockdown.
You are told that you must lockdown healthy people to stop them getting ill
You are told even if they do not appear ill they could be and they could make others ill.
You are told that positive tests for illness are accurate.
You are told that a positive test is a case and this means more will get ill
You are told that people wearing masks helps to stop people getting ill.
You believe everything you are told and do not listen to those who say the opposite.
New Covid symptom
Margaret Ferrier the SNP MP who went to Parliament, church and by train from London to Scotland after being tested positive says
“having Coronovirus makes you act out of character…”
Sun In Sunday (don’t ask)
Another symptom to add to the list…
So does that excuse anyone else who breaks self-isolation?
Thought not.
‘Bedwetters’? Sticks and stones….. surely? Where on the totem of insult does it come below ‘denier’ etc? As Obama said, never bring a knife to a gun fight.
I thought that was Sean Connery in The Untouchables?
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I think Obama got the role after Connery buggered off to spend more time with his avoided tax
Fuck Obummer another one who should be up against a wall
Specifically “just like a wop to bring a knife to a gun fight”
Yes, I remember now.
Since it’s evident more people are tasing positive for the plague in hospital than in bars, can we shut down the NHS please? Oh, wait…
My brother tested positive. He has flu like symptoms too. Still I told him to try and see the details of his test as it is his medical record after all. Will be interesting to see the cycle rate if he does manage to get it. I suspect it will be an uphill battle though.
He’s a teacher as well!
I agree, too, about dropping this term. We need is to be taken seriously – the damage being done to society is serious. I think a term which describes those who have believed the narrative, perhaps become scared, perhaps do not want to research properly because it is that (realising they have been wrong) they are scared – because there is scant evidence that what they are doing works – but masses of evidence to the contrary.
Hard to decide on a suitable term, but maybe: Pandemic Experimenters
Sort of shows that it is all the lockdown, masky countries who are the unusual ones, and it is the likes of Sweden (who just followed 2019 WHO guidelines and those of decades previously) who are watching us all experimenting at great cost to our countries.
Good points but not keen on “Pandemic Experimenters.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54498191 a second national lockdown?
The strategy is to offer up possibilities to ensure higher compliance, has been from the start. Fear is the tool of choice.
These things are put out in the public sphere.The government then measures the pushback and then decides whether to proceed.I think it was the reaction to dumb and dumbers graph of doom then stopped/postponed a 2nd national lockdown.They are stilLitching to lock us down again but don’t know whether the public will suffer it.We are being governed by SPI-B
It was the total lack of public pushback from Leicester…West of Scotland….Outer Manchester…..Aberdeen…….Glasgow…….bits of Wales……West Midlands……Lancashire……….
It already is oop North, Creeping closer to us soft southerners.
Just in time for Christmas?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/government-accused-of-cronyism-after-tory-councillor-wins-156m-covid-contract/
What a surprise – not!
The conformist reaction of the British population should be no surprise.
This is ‘Blair’s Britain’ and it is also ‘Beveridge’s Britain’
The same people who voted with a show of hands to bring power cuts, production stoppages to most factories, collieries, in the land 50 years ago will happily don masks in ‘solidarity’ with the ‘Save Our NHS’ soap opera.
And those ‘expert’ officials whose ‘science’ we are supposedly following will no doubt be members of one public sector union or another, all such organisations resolutely opposed, for reasons of economic, political subversion, to any amelioration of the by now hilariously dotty lockdown measures: Democratic Socialist ‘Big State’ Britain
Only constant pressure applied through parliament and the courts can provide a way out of this hopeless lunacy……and to a very long electoral winter for the conservative party.
One ray of sunshine may be that the generation locked in halls of residence, struggling to get qualifications, will get the hang of just how distasteful it is to live in an increasingly totalitarian state……
“ ‘Blair’s Britain’ and it is also ‘Beveridge’s Britain’”
What an utter load of tripe.And an insult to those who actually brought about the post-war settlement.
As ‘stupid as a Johnson’; as the saying goes.
Yes, don’t insult the “true” new Jerusalem
Nah. It’s just about talking bollocks when we’re dealing dealing with the the legacy of the 1980s regression.
Intemperate language says so much….
And others managed to use ‘The Marshall Plan’ to so much greater effect than Attlee and Beveridge, plain for all to see….to this day….
Yes – as I noted with your prejudiced and irrelevant nonsense.
Vapid insults, the hallmarked currency of bigotry.
And now we have the Covid Marshall Plan, bringing fear and slavery to the masses.
Three of your rays of sunshine positively beamed when asking me “has it been bad down here?” and my reply
“Nah, it’s all a load of old bollocks”.
I would say there were always two broad underlying strands on the left: those seeking material gains for working class British people, and those with other ideological goals around other radical changes to society, identity politics, internationalism, pacifism, etc. These strands often of course coexisted in many of the early prominent figures.
Almost all of the objectives of the left around the turn of the C19th/C20th were achieved during the mid-C20th, including massive improvements in the material well-being of the working classes and the destruction of the power of the old aristocracy, though a few such as eugenics fell by the wayside. Heavy taxation and massive spending, state welfare and control of health and education were established, and remain in place, now accepted by the entirety of the ruling political establishment.
In the 1970s direct state management of industry collapsed under the weight of its own inherent stupidity, but while that was rolled back the rest of the left’s agenda remained dominant. In the resulting shifts, the Labour and establishment left basically stopped representing indigenous working class interests and turned entirely to the aforementioned ideological interests – internationalism, cultural radicalism and identity politics.
And that’s where we are now, with the left firmly in charge but riven by an internal conflict between the Blairite and zealot factions, who broadly agree about the objectives but have some differences on details such as Palestine and war-making, the US alliance, and how aggressively to harvest the magic money trees.
Has Professor Devi Sridhar’s position changed? She is now saying “Continual lockdowns are not the answer to bringing Covid under control” (Guardian 10/10/20) Has she broken with so-called ‘Independent Sage’?
She been pretty consistent on this. She advocates for zero covid which, if achieved, would mean no need for continual lockdowns.
See the interview I posted above. She appears in a slippery fashion to have been aware of the economic destruction and death etc lockdowns cause months ago. The interview clearly sets out her positiin then – at least for the moments of the interview. Rhodes Trust interview youtube.
The UK has lowered its Covid-19 alert level from 4 to 3, meaning transmission of the virus is no longer judged to be “high or exponentially rising” Guardian
Well – nobody except the dumb and those with a financial interest in the pharmaceutical industry – or the Groan – ever though it was.
Can you post a link for this please? I can only find where this happened in June.
Thanks.
Great, we don’t need more lockdowns then.
Must be to untrigger somewheres threshold, perhaps bozo wants to go to The Maldives.
How bizarre! Why would they do that now?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54465733 about the BCG TB vaccination, which was actually quite ineffective. I know that I was vaccinated in the 1970’s.
Me and every kid in my school had that, got the upper arm scare to prove it.
Can someone post a link to the legal disclaimer the UK government have granted vaccine developers, please.
Yes, that would be good to see!
You probably want The Human Medicines Regulations 2012 section 345 and proposed amendments in the draft statutory instrument section 29.
Spot on Chaos … item here from a organisation called the Commons Project which is funded by Rockefeller & Clinton developing 3 apps for your smartphone:
https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/78216/how-your-post-covid-life-will-be-controlled-by-rockefeller–clinton-foundation-funded.html
[quote] …. ‘The CommonsProject is a nonprofit public trust established with support from the Rockefeller Foundation to build platforms and services which will tightly regulate your post-covid life. The initiative is part of the World Economic Forum implementing The Great Reset agenda.’
I have never been more relieved about my decision not to have a smartphone.
My parents are in that group of being retired,very comfortable and happy to lap up all propaganda with no critical thinking at all. In spite of everything I send their way/everything I talk about they are still swallowing the fear narrative unthinkingly. I wonder if it has something to do with trust. They seem to have a great underlying trust in all authority (government, doctors etc) I feel pretty sad to be related to them most days. How can I go about helping them to think critically? to find concern? or do I just give up on them?
My dad has been naturally sceptical from the start I feel. Very receptive to my info but I don’t overload him. Just want him to feel safe that this isn’t what Stephen Nolan bleats on about.
My mum is slowly coming around. I’ve sent her the latest data on the local hospital which shows only 22 people of a population in the ward of around 200,000. 19 of these were over 80 years of age and, without te data to be sure, can largely be assumed to have co existing and fatal conditions. Nobody under 60 has died. That wave 1 was a casedemic and continues to be. 1 person (80+) has died since May. Its so stark she now feels much better. The masks thing is much harder to get through on.
To be fair, with the state of my mental health at the moment, name calling from me is the least of their worries
Could we on this forum collectively engage in some citizen social science?
How, for example, would we go about answering the following two questions (and are they even formulated correctly)?
In respect of all Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 PCR (polymerase chain reaction) testing for the coronavirus SARS-CoV2 in the UK between 1 March 2020 and nn October, 2020:
(i) what definition has been used to determine that a test is ‘positive’
(ii) the range, mean, median, and modal number of amplification cycles used as the threshold in relation to any ‘positive’ PCR tests.
What are the possible sources of data for answering these questions?
Good questions. No answers.
Maybe send them to the members of the Commons Science and Technology Committee, which is shortly resuming its sittings? Two of its Labour members, Butler and Stringer, were notable for being among the select few who voted against renewal of the Coronavirus Act.
Thanks – a very good suggestion!
So the NHS may be overwhelmed. Meaning that the money spent last time building hospitals was wasted. Otherwise why worry about being overwhelmed.
No chain of logic at all
Same old scare tactics all over again.
A music promoter that I have a deal of respect for generally tells me that ICU beds in Manchester and Merseyside are full or nearly full of Covids, now where did he pick that up from ?
Interesting question about the power of Chinese whispers. I have come across similar hyperbole when a very quick look at the data would tell you that its all bollocks.
It shows the power of blanket propaganda.
It’s the use of the word “case” for positive test. I’ve had the discussion with several people. Most who don’t bother looking assume “case” = “hospitalised”
Toby, on the day that you ask us to sign 3 petitions to defend people who have lost income or work opportunities because of what they have said or written, you ask if a complaint from one over-sensitive individual should moderate your own behaviour, and stop you and perhaps us also from using the word “bedwetter”.
I signed the 3 petitions to defend free speech. If you wish to start another free speech petition to defend the use of the term “bedwetter”, I shall sign that too. I also agree with the right of moronic traitors to use the word “covidiot” against those who meet up to enjoy the company of friends, although I strongly disagree with the use of that term.
If there is to be free speech, it has to be for everyone and for every segment of society, and the choice of words, as long as there are no direct or implied threats, can be as disparaging or as complimentary as the individual feels apt.
In short, my individual advice is to ignore the bedwetter who complained.
I’ve seen the term oxygen thieves to describe non mask wearers.
What greedy, antisocial non-volk we are. MW
I like that term—oxygen thief–and I happily adopt the moniker. I shall continue to ‘steal’ as much oxygen as I can get away with. I also understand that the penalty for such an infringement will be a healthier set of lungs and a more robust immune system. This is one crime I heartily and enthusiastically endorse!
There was me thinking that the masked were actually rationing oxygen, cutting back as it were.
Hear hear, wildboar! There’s something strange in the air today, must be. The Sceptics seem to have been infiltrated by a cell of crypto-bedwetters! Hopefully freedom and fun win out, but prudery is as pathological as the ‘rona, and just as contagious!
Coronaphobics is a highly appropriate term to use to describe those who are living in a state of perpetual fear of the virus. Phobia is a medically recognised term and is not a value laden deliberate insult; we must strive to wean these people off their fear if we are to have hope for the future.
As for those truly nasty people who report neighbours and friends then I believe the term Covid Nazi is wholly appropriate. Yes it is a value laden term but people who behave in such an evil and antisocial manner deserve our condemnation.
Agree but because of them all our lives are being fucked up . Can we really do this till may next year!
I think a scathing touch of reality might be apposite :
‘Friends of Cancer’ or ‘Heart Attackers’?
(given the hard reality of what these attitude are actually doing)
I think Coronaphobics hits the nail on the head and doesn’t unduly insult others. I think COVID Nazi should be reserved for the COVID Marshalls only.
And Piers Morgan
Can’t argue with that haha
Yep, coronaphobics is better!
https://mobile.twitter.com/themajorityscot/status/1315004297139154944
A heart felt and therefore sweary, but catchy sing song about the Scottish shite. Really good. 2 mins.
Apolohies if already posted.
Careful, Basics, harsh language is frowned upon here nowadays.
I say non-sceptics. It’s factual and non-judgemental. In public that is…
That’s a good tack. How about “Believers”, or “True believers”?
It’s dreary.. it’s a rhetorical soggy pitta bread.
Member of the cancel culture, are you?
Best not use the words ‘school playground stuff’ or ‘infantile’ as you could offend people who are over-sensitive.
Let’s all make sure we are all sensitive about every word we use, shall we? Or we may offend someone, somewhere, at some time.
How strange that on a free speech forum you have a bevy of supporters disagreeing with free speech.
Nobody’s disagreeing with free speech!
It was simply suggested that giving them a puerile pejorative label is not a good way to win friends and influence people.
We need converts. As Tee Ell notes, it’s simple marketing stuff.
Propaganda is immoral. Let people find their own way! The truth is enough, censoring language is wrong and capitulation to prudish offence-takers is a terrible precedent to set! Who among us found this place via this piddling ‘marketing’ piffle some of you keep yipping about? Where is the manliness, where is the mirth? Why coddle the enemy? Why even debate this non-problem here? This is, as boar said a Free Speech website. I ask again: what are you all drinking today?
While I disagree that the use of “spastic” as a derogatory term was ever acceptable I appreciate that the term “bedwetter” might be offensive to the many thousands of people who suffer from bladder problems and I agree it probably ought to be dropped.
As an alternative might I suggest “mimosa” which is a sensitive plant which reacts at the slightest touch. This action looks like it’s shrinking in fear. It might well describe the oversensitive nature of our face mask wearing fellow citizens without causing offence to any innocent bystanders.
And mimosas are yellow too?
Without turning this into Gardener’s Question Time, I think it’s a type of acacia which is green but might have yellow flowers.
seems to be good arguments on both sides and I’m undecided.
A compromise could be – not use ‘bedwetters’ above the line , but comments section peeps can say what they want, as we do
A constructive suggestion
So now it’s about ‘optics’and ‘branding,’ eh? Marketing the cause, eh?
Why not? Don’t we want to win this propaganda war?
Are we in the business of propaganda, then? I thought we cared about truth. We don’t need to evangelise if the evidence speaks for itself! I cannot believe what I am witnessing on this website today. It really looks like most people need a box to sit in. They need to be yoked to something, even if it’s just some piddling attempt at linguistic decorum. All to avoid offending the enemy!
surely it’s a war against the propaganda? we seek the truth. the mimosa bedwetters do not.
That’s what I believed, watashi. What a dreary turn of events!
so to clarify – Toby and Will might chose to stop using the term ‘bedwetters’ above the line but the individuals will continue to use the term ‘bedwetters’ in the comments section below the line if they chose.
How is that anything other than an appeal to the mob-minded, the snobs, the over-sensitive and the censorious amongst us? Do you have any idea what kind of behavior that would reward? What sort of precedent that sets??
bollocks
(if they stopped using bedwetters above the line no one down here would notice – and LS would do more good persuading the bedwetters than simply telling us what we want to hear)
At the expense of personality, wit, irony and fun. Got it.
What petulant censorious rot. Pathetic.
well nice try, i like being persuaded that I’m wrong as I often am, but your ration argument hasn’t persuaded me this time
Butthurt
I guess people just need to be managed. Hypocrites!
Who gives a fuck what the posh boys want say it how it is.
I have written the same thing!
For me this isn’t so much about free speech v not giving offence. It should be about whether it’s effective. Personally I don’t think it is. We should engage with the arguments and data – because that is where our position is stronger
And this is how politically correct thinking spreads. What are you all drinking today?
I’m so angry most days I openly use far, far stronger words than bed wetters . My point is that when we’re trying to persuade said bed wetters, calling them names doesn’t help. A personal view and one that is never use to limit anyone’s freedom of speech- something I feel equally passionate about. But whatever name is used it’s a distraction- set against the loss of civil liberties, crashing of our economy, culture and way of life.
That I never use to limit…
All you are saying is that most people are hopelessly close-minded, hyper-literal and humourless. Maybe that’s true, but I don’t believe in pandering to anyone’s delicate sensitivities and I don’t believe in controlling language. I thought I had found a like-minded community in you all, but I see I was wrong.
The hardest first step is to admit you are wrong – well done
I don’t think they’re cowardly. I think they’re gullible.
I completely agree. I usually refer to them as “morons” which is probably not PC either as it’s insulting to morons but since a moron has an IQ under 70 they won’t understand the reference anyway. Bedwetters are, however, cowardly in their blind acceptance of propaganda, and are therefore guilty of behaving in a moronic fashion.
Everyones wetting the bed over bedwetters, oh the irony!
Thoroughly depressing stats:-
Overall, the public support the latest COVID-19 restrictions. Seven in ten (72%) support the notion that people should work from home wherever possible, 71% agree that face masks should be compulsory for bar staff and non-seated customers, shop workers and waiters and 70% agree with the introduction of table service only in bars, restaurants and pubs.
There are lower levels of support for a potential “circuit breaker” lockdown where hospitality venues close for a short period (58%) and continuing the “rule of six” and limits on socialising over Christmas (55%). Meanwhile 44% support pubs, bars and restaurants closing at 10pm (vs. 27% opposing), almost half (49%) support limiting guests at wedding from 30 to 15. Two-thirds also support fines for not wearing masks or following rules increasing to £200 for first offence
There has however been a drop in the number of people who support the 10pm closure of pubs, bars and restaurants. A fortnight ago, 58% supported the measure while 16% opposed. This week, 44% supported this measure while 27% oppose.
In line with the above, people are continuing to err on the side of caution when it comes to the measures in place. Half (53%) lean towards the view that coronavirus threatens a large number of lives and we need strong measures in place to keep us safe. On the other hand, 24% lean more towards the belief that the measures in place are too damaging and we need to learn to live with Coronavirus for the time being. The vast majority of people (88%) are still generally or strictly following the rules.
How do the public think the country can sustain itself with everyone working from home full time where possible, pubs closing at 10 with all the measures in place and weddings at 15 capacity. Clearly, the people in favour of these measures are intellectually challenged and economically illiterate. That is a tough sect of the population to convert.
If the poll is trustworthy. There’s a lot of disinformation going on out there atm.
77th brigade fixing the polls…
Same public that support this intrusion into private life who voted governments of Blair / Cameron and Johnson. Frankly, at least they are getting what they deserve.
I don’t believe these polls and I don’t understand how these figures are arrived at. I once was asked to take part in a poll by telephone (it was in the evening many years ago) and I agreed. However, it became clear very early on that this poll was designed to elicit views that the organisers wanted to hear; the questions were loaded and the choice of answers was also loaded. I said to the lady several times that I wouldn’t choose ANY of the answers and wanted to question the assumptions made in the questions themselves.
I am certain (but I cannot prove it) that these polls are similarly slanted.
A typical example would be (this is rather crude but it does illustrate the point ‘Are you in favour of lowering the speed limit to 20 mph if it would save lives’. How can anyone answer ‘No’ to that question? And assuming some people did (I would say no by the way), when the poll is published the all-important protasis is dropped.
Nonetheless, the phrasing of of the question does not entirely answer the clear bias in the polls. There is something else going here and I am not sure what it is. But I am sure that the way the question is phrased is crucially important. Pace Brexit, the ‘authorities’ have learned of the dangers of a straightforward question and will not make that ‘mistake’ again.
Similarly:
Do you agree that people suffering from mental illness should be cared for in the community?
versus
Do you want a hostel for mad people next door to you?
“I don’t believe these polls and I don’t understand how these figures are arrived at.”
I don’t think these polls are genuinely representative of public opinion.
I probably wouldn’t complete, for example a yougov poll, but persons with a certain mindset might.
I was asked to complete a mori poll last year (came in the post). I thought, “Oh I can’t be bothered with this”, and binned it. Perhaps I should have filled it in, but I didn’t.
There also seems to be a popular view that these pollsters are paragons of virtue, completely honest and immune to the influence of outside vested interests. I’m not convinced that they necessarily are.
Source?
Your post could just as easily be government propaganda.
I don’t see anything wrong with the word “bedwetter”.
“Ninny” is a possible alternative, I guess.
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How about a compound of both! More speech, not less, isn’t that right, fellow sceptics, fellow defenders of freethought?
And now we have Prince William saying we have ten years to ‘save the planet’, whatever that means. I’m drifting towards republicanism, not something I thought I’d ever say. At what point do these people get that they should stay out of politics?
Like father like son. Not the sharpest tool in the box. I agree with you completely.
As the late great Anthony Bourdain said those spikes around buck palace would look much better decorated with their heads.
Is this a variant of “100 months to save the planet”? That’s eight years and four months. Here’s an article from Guardian about this:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/aug/01/climatechange.carbonemissions
Note the year. Still waiting.
And there’s this, from Prince Charles, as reported in the Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/4952918/Prince-Charles-we-have-100-months-to-save-the-world.html
That one’s from 2009. Still waiting.
Just another gang of liars who don’t know what they’re talking about.
Carry on as normal everybody, nothing to see here…
Re the GB Declaration, instead of being perennial victims, why don’t they sort out the verification process around medics signing the thing and pay Google to be too result?
*top result
Do you have a source for the claim they’re complaining about it and acting the victim?
I’m sure they (the declaration authors) would appreciate it if we paid for them to be top result. Or we could spread the message and get people to click it / sign it, create lots of links to in in lots of other high-traffic places – that would also cause the algorithm to push it higher.
Plenty of pragmatic options.
As posted in the comments on Peter Hitchens’ blog by yours truly:
Hear hear!
‘a free people, not a culture in a petri dish’ – brilliant…
And admit they are responsible for the panic in the first place?
Not likely.
This is the first time I have commented here for many months. Toby, you may therefore give more or less weight to this comment as you wish.
The term “bedwetter” had also irked me, though not to the point of complaining about it. As free speech, you obviously have the right to continue using it, but I don’t think it helps you gain any moral high ground with a nasty term like this. So yes, retire it, please.
Incredible how fast the termites eat the house. No! Enough with this soap opera! You are wrong. Your faction here is wrong. This is the opposite of free thinking. You and the rest of you thumbs-upperers are treading into dark dark territory with this. I’m so disappointed in so many of you today! What happened to you all? You’re becoming the people you scoff at!
Samhurt, thanks for the only reply, even if yours is a bit of a rant. I believe that followers can use any language they like, but leaders, like Toby, need to be a little more circumspect. Because we want them to find respect from outside our sceptic bubble.
I’ll stop saying bedwetter when this hysteria ends and we can go back to normality. People who cower behind masks and jump out of the way when another human being comes within 6 feet of them should be roundly mocked. Bedwetters of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your dignity
Fair enough, but as I wrote in reply to someone else, I don’t mind you and other commenters saying or writing it. I mind Toby writing it.
Abysmal. If you mind it, fine, you have a right to be a snob – but stop trying to impose your sensitivities on others. Political Correctness is a mind-killer! You’re setting a terrible example for freethinkers, here. Is this who we really are? Another bunch of squeamish effeminates with language complexes?
Agree!
well the echo chamber has done all the covid stuff to death, and we seem to be all convinced – but consensus is comfortable place to be…
https://omni.se/hundratals-langtidssjuka-riskerar-att-utforsakras/a/6zjW30
Rather interesting information about long covid. In Sweden there is a payment for sick leave which can be extended up to 6 mths. Then sick pay from the General Insurance scheme ceases. Then persons must negotiate with other bodies if the sick pay should be extended or if they have to modify their work arrangements etc. At the moment about 500-600 have been on sick leave for about 6 months. Is it much?
They have all most likely been sick from March April in the first wave. Thousands of people were ill at that time but difficult to estimate as testing was restricted at that time mostly to hospitalized cases. About 1300 persons have been hospitalized in ICU care in Sweden in the working age and the majority in the peak March and April. Let us say roughly 1000 and perhaps even though not all of them were working, we know that ICU cases are the most severe and would be most prone to long term sickness. Therefore, I think 500-600 long term sick 6 months later cannot be an excessive amount of long term covid cases. Very reasonable to think about 5% level. But if we had instead 1000 flu cases in this age interval in ICU wouldn’t we have roughly the same amount? Long covid exists but most likely in the range of flu.
‘Long Covid’ is fear porn. It is nothing new to take some time to fully recover from a moderate – severe viral infection. Before the Scamdemic nobody would have thought much of it. When did anyone talk about ‘Long Flu’ or ‘Long Bronchitis’? We used to use the word ‘chronic’ for these conditions but this is such obvious fear porn propaganda that they have now re-branded it with a scary new name!
Everyone should pour scorn on this bollocks and absolutely not buy in!
MW and AG, elderly sufferers of ‘Long Bronchitis’ since January and, would you believe, actually as fit as fiddles!
Having had my own life saving trauma twice. I personally felt that I want to get on with things and not malinger and the net result has been zero colds or flus of significant concern and not one sick day in over 5 years.
Whereas I know people who will have a week in bed with a minor cold. It’s impossible to prove “long” anything as it’s entirely subjective. If someone wants to be unwell that’s up to them. When you really are unwell you know it and you never want to be unwell again in my view.
I agree with you. As soon as university students started getting covid and sensible people said oh well they won’t get it badly so let them go ahead, it’s a good thing, the PTB had to come up with a way of putting the fear of God back into us about young people and covid. So they came up with the idea that they would be ‘scarred for life’ by it.
Excellent piece i read on here, called Do Medical Complications and Lingering Effects make Covid more Dangerous (or something similar) which points out that actually flu has long-term effects and is more dangerous in this respect to the young.
I read an article over here a while back, saying that some of the people claiming to have long covid actually tested negative for antibodies and there is no proof some of them ever had the virus… I will try and find it. I believe they are complaining because they cannot get their sick pay extended, which may be because they cannot prove they ever had covid.
Otherwise known as malingerers. The sort who call a cold flu, and a wet fart dysentery.
I agree with lots of your comments that there is a fair amount of malingerers etc but there is a grain of truth that some can have prolonged symptoms. But it is not exclusive to C-19, all viral illness can have this rarely. It is a post viral syndrome a bit more common in mononucleosis but can be found in many viral diseases. It is important to stress that the 3 month fatigue with C-19 and even with accompanying X-ray signs on the lungs has a very good outcome. I don’t think it is helpful to completely dismiss the syndrome and be unnecessary confrontational. Just being in ICU regardless of diagnosis carry on its own weight long term problems in some patients.
For my part I do not think that people suffering from post-viral syndrome (C19 or otherwise) are malingering. In the past, I’ve had friends suffer very badly and for years from ME which some people regard as a post-viral problem.
However, I do deplore the re-branding of post-viral problems as ‘Long Covid’ which I honestly believe is designed to add to the hysteria. Some people, including myself and Alan, are still experiencing mild post-viral symptoms from last winter but we do not think we’re special nor am I prepared to parade myself as a kind of ‘poster girl’ for this problem. In any case, apart from a persistent cough and catarrh we are otherwise very fit and well and can burn our kids off walking up hills at our advanced ages (67 and 71)!
Swedenborg, I notice that you also take the ‘2nd wave’ as a given. There do seem to be more people suffering from respiratory illnesses now it’s October (hardly unusual) but as you know we also have a ruthless ‘test-demic’ going on in most countries in the world. Do viral illnesses normally have ‘2nd waves’? Several experts think not. This seems to be another specially-minted brand name for C19, again to up the fear factor.
As the nurse said yesterday, if people had never been told about C19, we would not have noticed anything out of the ordinary i.e. we’d have assumed we were having a slightly worse than usual flu season.
Now he next flu season is under way because it’s autumn and of course numbers are going to rise as happens every year. Sure there may be real C19 cases in there but as you say yourself they appear to be less serious than in the spring. In other words, we should all be back to normal. So why aren’t we? MW
I hope you replied to the bedwetting spaz and pointed out that he has no right to police the speech of others.
From a friend:
“My mate a GP x surgeon was in a Hartlepool news paper last week basically saying stop the BS his name is XXXXXXX if I can find it will send it to you”
If I get the info from him will post it.
Re: Sir Starmer’s so-called opposition, AlanG has just observed the following: ‘It’s as if someone in 1930s Italy found a train not running on time and used it to spearhead an assault on Mussolini.’
Labour, the unions, the Labour mayors e.g. Burnham and the majority of ‘the left’ are all collaborating with fascism. We have debated this among ourselves many times and can only conclude that some are deluded enough to think that this will bring down the Tories. Starmer, in particular, has been appointed to play a long game. Some, like the BMA chief and the mayors are drunk on their new powers but all the lefty academics and local-level politicians are just brainwashed. Small ray of hope: some local lefties seem to be waking up round here. MW
hat tip from a friend:
https://whiskeytangotexas.com/2020/10/10/canada-prepares-to-build-network-of-internment-camps/
Wonder when our lot will start these are?
Will have to keep an eye on upcoming government contracts.
Likely Serco will get that contract – they seem to be getting most government contracts these days..
Won’t be much internment then. You’ll probably be able to just walk out the front gate if Serco are running them…
So people commenting on Toby’s blog page are discussing one of the points he raised in today’s blog entry?
Seems legit, to me.
Sums for a Sunday:
If GDP had continued its 2016 to 2019 trend through the COVIDballs months since February 2020, I calculate (using ONS monthly data) we would not have lost in the following six months (to August, as far as the data go) an annualised £2.2 trillion in collective income. That is what GDP actually was at the end of 2019! And it is over 16 years’ worth of NHS. Ie every home could have had a Nightingale hospital in its backyard (instead of a windmill) and apart from that frippery it would be business as usual.
Nice work. That is one in the eye for the economy vs lives goons!
Getting everywhere this buildbackbetter:
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/06/1066152
https://joebiden.com/build-back-better/
https://thenewamerican.com/build-back-better-biden-rips-off-orwellian-un-slogan/
But started by the UN in April:
https://www.un.org/en/un-coronavirus-communications-team/un-urges-countries-%E2%80%98build-back-better%E2%80%99
Started much earlier than that, Mr Git. A cursory search throws up mentions following the 2004 tsunami.
Agree – did you see my post very late last night, about Stanley Johnson having written books on population control and also a novel (many years ago) called’ The Virus’, the plot of which is all too familiar? You could not make it up!
When talking about herd immunity being an option to get us out of this insanity. Mrs 2-6 got a lazy rebuttal to this approach.
“Natural immunity could take years and years” to be reached so it is not a viable option.
Any suggestions on how best to slap this one down?
Does it matter how long it takes?
Sweden
They haven’t reached herd immunity.
Still willing Sweden to fail? Bit of a misanthrope really.
A lot nearer it than we are.
I thought you believed Stockholm was about there. I’ve got elderly relatives in Gavle, and whilst there is awareness there is no fear. One aunt, late seventies and her hubby mid 80’s, has just complained that visiting family (loads local to them) stay at the front door rather than come in as she would wish. But she can understand their worry of not being the one to bring the virus to them. A catch 22. But both are fit n healthy for age and think they’ve probably dealt with it already and life’s for living….
Evidence, please.
Every Coronaphile’s worst nightmare…
Would we know when we reached it?
If you estimate R and find it’s about 1 for several weeks in a row assuming fairly constant conditions, for example it’s summer for all of those weeks, then I think you can safely declare herd immunity. Oh wait.
Another good metric is relative performance of Covid compared to other respiratory viruses. If you don’t have herd immunity then it should be easily topping the charts. Right now it’s accounting for only about 10% of diseases which have Covid symptoms (per ONS data but that was some weeks ago, it’s probably even less now, I had a look this morning actually and couldn’t find it).
There is already natural immunity, 86% of +ve tests are asymptomatic. IFR is low suggesting inbuilt immunity. Sadly people will die but they do from flu, colds, MRSA etc. Vaccine should take longer.
“You are seeking the impossible. What herd immunity exists for the common cold ? Grow up. Stop being selfish and get on with worrying about stuff that matters”
That would be my rebuttal
Herd immunity isn’t an option or a strategy, it’s a biological fact . It’s what a vaccination seeks to achieve so I really don’t understand the objection to the word. Just shows the sheer Ignorance of those who object to it. The strategic question is how you can achieve it with least damage. Also relevant ( when set again collateral damage) is how serious is the virus itself ( now even WHO admits only marginally more than flu) . None of this should be controversial and we have Sweden as an example of one strategy that seems to have worked . So I just cannot understand why everyone isn’t screaming to follow them. Insanity.
So why is it an option with flu?
Consider this, if the death rate for this virus was brought down to the same level as the flu which is likely what a vaccine would do, then would that be a viable option?
With flu, there is no herd immunity, a vaccine reduces the effects of the virus on the vulnerable (supposedly) and the rest of the slack is taken up by natural immunity.
I’ve said from the start that the MO of this virus looks very much like an unvaccinated flu.
Except the flu vaccine does no such thing. At best it reduces the worst effects, and sometimes fails to achieve even that. This corona is just going to become one of those viruses that flare up this time of year, kills a few people, then fades again in the summer.
Just live with it.
Natural immunity is the only way forward. It might take years, but locking down the economy will lead to starvation, which only takes weeks.
And will lead to fighting on the streets
My understanding:
The Herd Immunity Threshold has a formal definition 1 – (1 / R0). When it is reached, the effective R (rate of spread) will be 1 and hopefully get smaller. This should mean each person would (on average) pass it on to 1 or fewer people and it would hopefully die out.
If we were to assume R0 (the measure of how fast it spreads initially) in the range 2.5 – 3.5, we could expect a threshold of 60 – 71% for population immunity. The argument of some commentators is that we are currently seeing a far lower immunity level, based on antibody testing (for example)… therefore we can’t have population immunity.
The counter argument is that this is far too simplistic. In fact we know it is, because a model this simple wouldn’t tell us to expect a rise in flu deaths each winter.
While some antibody testing shows 7% prevalence of certain antibodies for the novel coronavirus, these tests will not pick up all forms of immunity. They usually test blood serum, and as Hendrik Streeck has shown, it’s possible to have antibodies in (for example) tear ducts, without these showing in blood serum. So we could infer antibody testing percentages are a fairly reliable “low floor”, but that the current proportion of people in our population with some level of immunity is higher.
As Soo Aleman and others have shown, T-cell responses are very important here too – and based on their studies the proportion of people who have some level of T-cell immunity is far higher than the proportion who may show positive when testing for a specific antibody.
Since we know that some people are less likely to become exposed and some people will have stronger immunity than others, we can factor this in to the models. Gabriela Gomes suggests in these preprint studies (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20081893v3.full.pdf and https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160762v2.full.pdf) that the estimate for the UK could be around 20%.
So if we put all of this together, my personal belief is that we are around population immunity level. The most likely scenario for me is that this is no longer a pandemic, but an endemic seasonal cold-type virus that will be a bit nasty this winter, but statistically less significant than the flu viruses beyond that. We should literally be able to forget about it and move on as normal now.
Agree with all this except one small point. The virus doesn’t die out. R stays at about 1 for ever and this is called an “endemic equilibrium”. It would die out eventually if the population was completely static but of course people are being born all the time so there is a constant supply of fresh hosts. Long term R does not equal 1 but whatever the rate of population growth is.
Good point, cheers!
This is where exponential growth helps you out. It takes about a month, two max, from when things start to kick off to reach herd immunity. It’s a function mainly of incubation period and recovery time. Population size doesn’t even make much difference.
This can be validated with a very simple SIR model. Anyone claiming it takes years needs to explain why they think that as it’s a pretty extraordinary claim.
One more for the evidence on your side:
https://drleonardcoldwell.com/2020/09/21/if-the-pcr-test-is-unreliable-why-are-health-officials-demanding-the-public-be-tested/
Good one for all the techies and scientists out there:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-phe-laboratory-assessments-of-molecular-tests
Please peruse and give us your thoughts on their assessments of the different PCR tests.
I’m not techie/scientist, but they look really good, and if you double tested all positives you could esentially get 100% specificity i.e. no false positives.
The update today with the consultant reporting from hospital and the difficulties was very interesting. It must be obvious that the real interesting thing is hospital admissions with CLI (covidlikeillness) and the same with ICU admittance. Spain has noticed the same problem and in one of the worst hit regions in the second wave, Aragon,40 % of hospital admittance with C-19 was not for CLI but something else. The most interesting thing to measure of the actual new burden of C-19 occurring in the community must be these parameters. This might not measure the whole burden due to the nosocomial infection in hospital will also increase the NHS burden. But measuring that we have less true ICI cases must be the most important thing.
Rob Daniels, the AE Consultant in Sepsis UK has interesting information in a tweet very recently (which I can’t find now) that he was surprised that only 103 patients in the whole of England were on assisted ventilation which is much less than current total number in ICU indicating that that many having much less invasive help compared to the April peak.
https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1315212098775982080
Clare Craig gives in her twitter thread the exact information you should have from ICU to be useful, and gives further her ideas of using testing in hospital and community. Sadly, too intelligent for being taken up by Hancock.
Hancock knows the covid trap is all BS
I foud the tweet from Daniels.Even better news Only 104 C-19 ventilated since 1st Sept in the whole of England!
“Well spotted, yes. If you look at the definitions on page 17 this suggests that 104 people have been ventilated for COVID-19 since 1st September. That’s so low as to surprise even me!”
I was in two minds about the bedwetter thing, but having seen the responses here, my conclusions are now drawn. I know Toby won’t say it how it is, and he has his reasons for that, which I respect because of what he’s doing for us here. So let me try:
Dear Mr ‘Complains about hurty words because his bladder control isn’t what it was’,
At best you are the enemy’s useful idiot. At worst you are actively aiming to police our speech, to divide us, and to make us just that little bit more miserable and guarded.
So let me be plain: Go fuck yourself.
We need your divisive complaining like we need an empty box of Tena Men.
so – what are you saying?
Brilliant
Why should 10pm make a difference, 6 people at table, 15 at a wedding, 30 at a funeral, masks until you sit down, 1mtr vs 2mtrs, its almost as the politicians are begging us to call out their BS and if we don’t, well that’s our fault.
None of it seems evidence based but, Goebbels-like, BJ keeps saying he’s following The Science and people believe him.
I read a comment somewhere (and unfortunately can’t recall where) supposedly from an insider, that certain high ranking inside Westminster are laughing at the public. They are not social distancing nor wearing masks (except for the cameras).
That would be no surprise if true. They are vile people pulling our strings whilst repeating the mantra Keeping Us Safe, when in fact they couldn’t care less!
They are upper class schoolboys who have always hated the plebs and they are actually treating us the same way they do if they actually meet plebs anywhere, anytime
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8827027/Matt-Hancock-makes-tasteless-Covid-test-joke-Commons-bar-joined-MPs-flouting-10pm-curfew.html
This one more of a joke against PHE, rather than the public, but still .
You’re looking for the wrong kind of logic. All of the things you list are based on the principle of being just exactly unpleasant and restrictive enough for you to notice that they’re doing something, without being so restrictive as to be completely unworkable.
Millions are making them work, that’s the problem, that’s also why they are laughing
I don’t really care about the term ‘bedwetter’.
But that’s because I’m not one.
https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1315236325344251905?s=20
If people from the north of England did not already feel like second class citizens, they certainly will after the criminal gang that calls itself our government puts the final touches to its plans to crush them under its jackboot. The north/south divide is about to become a chasm.
It entirely context-dependent.
Someone looking after their 82-year old dad, who has COPD and a heart condition, is not a bedwetter.
A healthy 30-something who thinks they’ll end up on a ventilator if they pick up a packet of pasta in Asda that was previously touched by an asymptomatic person who wasn’t wearing a mask is.
High Peak curry house last night: 3 tables occupied when in the Olden Days it would have been packed. The front man offered us the QR code but we declined. He offered us a post-it pad and we wrote a name and number on it. (This suggests that most numpties are actually asking for 14-days in jug by having downloaded the bloody app!)
Then, a processions of zombies in and out every f-ing one muzzled. All the staff muzzled but one with a welding mask. Inane prattling from a table of 4 about masks. A woman bragging that she’d bought masks before they ‘went up’. Then one of them likened muzzle-wearing lone car-drivers to people wearing Johnnies alone in bed, which was a moment of light relief. Otherwise, I was sitting there muttering, my language deteriorating fast. We like the guys who run the place but I was contemplating wearing a travel eye-mask and earplugs next time we go there like a demented 2-wise-monkey old bat.
Predictably, one table got up and obediently muzzled-up to walk the 3 yards to the door. At least they didn’t muzzle their 2 kids but it’s terrifying that they can’t seem to see the insanity and just be a tiny bit rebellious.
Anyway, it actually improved. The front man’s muzzle slipped lower and lower. Then the owner brought our mains with his muzzle under his chin. Then 2 likely lads came in for a take-away, no masks at all, closely followed by an old gimmer who took his off and sat down to wait for his take-away and chatted freely with the staff.
On the way out, we observed how we now have this smart virus which doesn’t affect the remaining party sitting a few feet away but leaves everyone near the till in deadly danger There were 2 young men waiting for take-aways, obediently muzzled, and they heard all this. It got a laugh from the staff and the remaining table of diners. (Make of it what you will you two zombie bed-wetting collaborators!)
The fact that we have an ambitious, useless and arse-licking Tory boy MP may spare the High Peak from the latest tyranny. The staff are really brassed off about Manchester and so are we. Anyway, we’re pushing back as best we can, La Lutte Continue! MW
This sounds HORRIBLE.
We’ve had better nights there. . . . .MW
I was in a café with some other pony trekkers on Friday. There were five of us, only met that mirning, sitting round two small tables. Rest of café empty. But one girl put her face nappy on to walk across the empty café to the loo (open to us by special permission).When I said it really wasn’t necessary, she said vaguely ‘But we really ought,’ and off she wandered.
I remained barefaced throughout. Nobody said anything.
‘We really ought’. God help us, it really is volkgemeinschaft in action. Welcome to Nazi UK. MW
Society be dammed. I feel angry at the selfish attitude of the lockdown pricks. Not because it’s not a serious virus, but because it’s a distraction from real problems and real NOW issues that need solving.
For example, Between 2012 and 2016 it was calculated that over 120,000 pensioners died as a result of being cold.
Did this mask wearing tools protest in Trafalgar Square ? Did twitter erupt ? Did those of such virtue who afforded heating offer to pay the bills of those who can’t by making some sacrifice ?
Did we all offer to shut down society to allow resources to be refocused on the poor who were dying? . Did they write to MP’s to demand better protection for the elderly. Did we take to wastebook to champion this injustice. Did insist platforms like LBC ask professors from China to give us a solution to the problem ?
No society did fuck all.
And I suspect the reality is that we will see another 30,000 deaths from the cold this winter. Almost all are going to be avoidable. And no one is going to bang on about protecting the vulnerable.
A pensioner is expected to live on under £600 a month and society thinks that’s ok. It’s Laughable. Stop giving tax breaks and 2/3 salary to those who can work and look after the old who can’t. I bet with better heating and conditions you will see a lot less than 30,000 cold related deaths this winter (unless they claim them all to be Covid of course)
Covid is completely and utterly out of all proportion. The reason so many “care” is that they see this as an immediate problem. They can’t kick the can down the road. They can’t say it’s down to the x or y person. It could ( it won’t) kill them next week. So it’s all self interest. And that’s the real problem. It’s just selfish.
Sorry – rant over.
Very well said.
I call them govidiots.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/11/the-rebel-scientists-cause-would-be-more-persuasive-if-it-werent-so-half-baked#comments
Let’s see how long my comment stays up for this time…
“””
Maybe those scientists just don’t want to be associated with a movement that is going to kill millions of us from economic hardship, where old people are left to die in a home surrounded by masks zombies without their loved ones around them, where children are subjected to psychological torture on a grand scale, where the suicide rates caused by economic hardship over time will dwarf the numbers that dies of this nasty case of flu. Tried getting breast screening or any other form of health care recently?
“””
Already removed…
There’s a surprise.
ffs
Look on the bright side : every removal by censorship is a nail in the coffin of the Groan’s credibility
I used to have a bit of respect for them due to the Snowden files, but it looks like all their good journalists have been replaced by the sort of people who would make Joseph Goebbels blush.
You have put your finger on the major disruption to the Guardian – it was the Snowden affair.
After that – many good investigative journalists were sacked, the Scott Trust became a limited company, Rusbridger was replaced by Viner
… and the paper accepted a place on the ‘D’ Notice committee.
Transformation into establishment shill complete.
This is correct.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-09-11-how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/
They’ve been censoring dissent for decades.
It’s a bit disingenous of Sonia to say the three have “little idea about how to engage with the real world” when any dissenting views are shut down by the meanstream media.
She is another one of these people who seems to think immunity serves no purpose.
It is a fact that some sort of Herd Immunity Threshold (HiT) is reached due to a combination of NPI and immunity, we see this everywhere. She is using the term Herd Immunity as the point where a virus is controlled solely through immunity.
This article by Tom Chivers shows how immunity would have an exponential effect on transmission. However, Toms position (or Adams or both) is that he/they thinks infections should be avoided in the first place:
Has Covid become less dangerous?
https://unherd.com/2020/09/has-covid-become-less-dangerous/
This remark in the article by Sonia Sodha is a cracker:
The kindest interpretation is these are three politically naive but self-important scientists with little idea about how to engage with the real world. But they have done science a profound disservice.
“Little idea about how to engage with the real world”. What, you mean like Wancock, Bunter, Whitless, and Mr Vaccine have?
Millions of people to be told “Don’t leave your local area after tomorrow”
Well: I will comfort myself with the belief that hundreds of thousands (at least) will say “B××××××S.
Sunday Anagram
TWEEDTREB
No prizes for that one.
Isn’t TWERE DEBT be(dwe)tter
You Win!
Not sure if this inane article is meant to make locals laugh or cry! https://www.devonlive.com/whats-on/whats-on-news/oktoberfest-bubble-bingo-coming-torquay-4576127
Nobody would die from that either.
Stupidity amongst health ministers must be contagious
“Incredible. Yesterday, the Spanish Minister of Health, when asked by a journalist why they were confining Madrid against the opinion of tens of thousands of scientists and doctors who signed the Great Barrington Declaration, answered that lockdowns were what the WHO recommended.”
On the same day
“Dr David Nabarro, the WHO’s Special Envoy on Covid-19, tells Andrew Neil: ‘We really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method'”
You would think some journalist, somewhere, would put that direct contradiction to lockdown governments forcefully, and require a direct explanation. Perhaps with a discussion of why official bodies such as Ofcom, alongside Big Tech and the news media, are suppressing information and opinions contrary to WHO guidance…
The IFR for covid has been well publicised on this forum to be around 0.14 pct using WHO data. Basically the same as seasonal Flu. I wanted to add that this is an upper bound and it is important to point out that true number could be many times lower e.g if we use US CDC stats , pure covid deaths are 6pct of total( so reduce ifr by factor of 16.6). WHO estimate 10pct infections but again this is probably too low, even if you use 20pct infections the IFR is halved . Combining the adjustments will give IFR= 0.14/33.2= 0.004pct, 99.996pct survival. At this point you would have to question the existence of covid?
Simple. Devastating. Welcome to hell.
And all the rest of the “Doctor Dooms”
Fergus Walsh of the BBC in particular.
Fergus Walsh is a droid. Nobody can deliver that level of bullshit with such panache
“Patients in the two periods did not present marked age and sex differences, but markers of severity were undoubtedly less prevalent in the summer period, associating with a 10 times decrease in the lethality rate.”
Didier Raoult Marseille describing that the summer peak of C-19 10 times less deadly than in April
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32208-6/pdf
Different pattern of the second outbreak of COVID-19 in Marseille, France.
Does anyone here have the Sunday Telegraph? There is an interesting snippet on the front page – in other developments, “Matt Hancock, the health secretary is said to have been shut out of high level meetings about Covid, amid concerns relating to leaks from Whitehall”.
The rest is behind a paywall but it would be interesting to find out what this is all about.
Let’s not forget that the “second wave” horror show due in two to six weeks has been coming since July.
And you know what to do with a mad dog
It’s the humane thing to do!
They’re a danger to health.
Here is Jordan Peterson talking about how any of us could have been nazis in Germany, in the ’30s. https://youtu.be/Vknhe2CbvmI
I’ve seen that and I remain safe in the knowledge I wouldn’t have been. And I suspect many here wouldn’t too.
Considering that the kind of people that went on to support the nazi party were the people ready to restrict the freedom of others because they didn’t like them, i think we here are pretty safe, yes.
Not me.
As Cristi.Neagu pointed out , we here,whether politically of right or left, probably have a plausibly believable right to claim that we would not have, because we have been tested and resisted.
The rest of them? They faced the test and were found wanting.
Happening here right now.
Or France and the collaborators and Vichy France but after the war ti was amazing how many were really resistance.
That was greta. JP soundbites are hard to beat. My leftist friends can’t stand the fact that I love his work and that I also love his biblical series even though I’m a failed Catholic. They have just decided he’s a right wing trumpet and that’s that. Standard
If anyone has a strong stomach here is an interview of Sridhar as Rhodes Scholar from a few months ago. In it she gives some of her background, started out with the intention of going into Law but switched to Health Policy after a conversation with ‘someone’ at the Kaiser Family Foundation KFF.
It’s unclear to me if Sridhar gained her Rhodes Scholarship, at 18, for an intention of going into Law or not. After undergraduate and postgraduate studies including two year studying policy rollout in India. She arrived at reasearching in Oxford at Blavatnik School of Government under Professor Ngaire Woods, founding Dean of the Blavatnik School of Government and Professor of Global Economic Governance at Oxford University, also a Rhodes Scholar. Sridhar is the founding Director of the Global Health Governance Programme at Edinburgh.
The interviewer is in error by stating Sridhar is in the Edinburgh School of Health and Medicine, she is not, she is in the School of Social and Political Science at the University of Edinburgh. Sridhar does not correct the interviewer, which is deceiptful in my opion given the circustances of the interview.
The interview gives a little more information to anyone who is looking into Sridhar, a woman who it is said of has an unusually small amount of background available for someone so high profile. Has the web been scrubbed? Her online presence is a feature of political and social discourse. There is a similarity with her mysterious background to that of Mr Murrell SNP Chief Exec and husband of Sturgeon.
In the interview Sirdhar makes her position known on aspects of pandemic management – Lockdown, vaccine, the future. It is interesting to hear Sridhar say that the definition ‘pandemic’ is irrelevant.
There may be much in the interview which others with industry/acamdemic knowledge may find revealing.
https://youtu.be/9qfgRC0GJos
Rhodes Trust
Is identity politics to blame for this? Could it be that the eagerness of some woke individuals seeing a woman of colour got in the way of their duty to the people? Why look for merit when you can be both sexist and racist at the same time?
Absolutely – had to go on jobs and sort their mess out a few times over the years but they were “untouchable” at the time.
Just got bumped sideways into sinecures with no power eventually after a lot of money spent getting things right again.
There should only be one criteria – competence.
That’s it.
Not to dismiss yours and AGits comment out of hand I don’t feel it is apllicable in this instance.
The recruitment of Rhodes Scholarships has history. Which is why I mentioned her mentor at Oxford was also Rhodes, it’s that club that you’re not in.
I feel there is something more sinister than woke favouritism. Groomed is a more likely word imo. The interiew is clearly scripted in part with Sridhar referencing notes – does she have a live text feed coming to her from a ‘handler’ for want of a better description. Her eyes dart about in referencing pattern.
Hancock is a tasteless covid joke.
I daresay I might get a Toon Army of replies in agreement.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/marsh-pays-price-for-a-gag-too-far-7254938.html
So, the WHO now recommends against lockdowns.
Think of this as a bargaining process. We are punished for months with lockdowns, so that as we are accustomed to, and accept, anti-social distancing and masking, tracking etc, we will feel it as a concession when the lockdowns end.
ockdowns can, of course, be reintroduced as and when deemed necessary.
The short-term goal is social control with the economy ticking over.
A video some months ago said that all of this was about the vaccines/ID, and that the plan was to make people so demoralised with lockdowns, antisocial distancing, muzzling etc. that they would be desperate to take what will be sold as the cure.
I think it’s no coincidence that this statement comes the week that the first vaccine reviews/rollout plans and IDs began. They are closing in on their goal.
I am far from sure that we will see a vaccine.
Any such vaccine would be most intensely analysed vaccine in history.
We know it ‘won’t work’ – in the sense that PCR tests will still produce lots of positives.
As long as lots of PCR positives are produced, then there is no reason why the present state of affairs should not continue, since that is the criterion the authorities are using.
Probably not an effective one. But it’s not been about a virus for a long time now, if ever.
People here keep talking as though there is some super-intelligent cabal with a master plan at work here.
Think of one global intervention by even one power that hasn’t gone completely tits up and ended up doing the opposite of that was intended.
If there really is some cabal then they are morons as there is no way any of what is being suggested could possibly end well for them or anyone. The world would descend into anarchy and bloodshed. How many guns are there in America alone? It’s just not going to happen.
I just think we should stick to the assumption that it’s the usual suspects – greed and incompetence- driving this, not some secret society.
the cabal don’t care if it descends into anarchy they’ve already built there dungeons in New Zealand.
“People here keep talking as though there is some super-intelligent cabal with a master plan at work here”.
There is, it is a cabal, they are intelligent and they do have a master plan.
“The world would descend into anarchy and bloodshed”.
I think this is what they want, control and depopulation
“How many guns are there in America alone?”
Not enough, they have more. They also have attack helicopters, tanks, drones, attack jets, artillery, tactical nuked and bio-weapons.
I hope I am wrong.
Government advises creative arts professionals to retrain. London Marxist Theatre Company reacts.
Andrew Lawrence – harsh, but fair.
“Yes, you’ve given the arts a £1.5 billion bailout since March, Sunak, but it’s not enough! Yes, we’re living through a pandemic, but the arts need more government funding, otherwise I for one can’t continue my vital work helping asylum seekers to explore their gender identity through the medium of tapdance. And that would be a true fucking tragedy!”
The truth behind the comedy: state funding for the arts is like international aid – a morally indefensible act of theft. Support for arts, or “arts”, like charity, is a matter for individuals to decide voluntarily. If it’s not genuinely voluntary, it’s not charity, it’s theft. And majority vote can’t change this fundamental truth.
I work in the arts and every penny I earn (or used to earn) I made by people paying money to see a performance. No hand outs. No subsidies.
Agree that funding arts that no one would otherwise pay for is a waste of money. But destroying a massive industry that generates billions and employs hundreds of thousands isn’t funny.
“I work in the arts and every penny I earn (or used to earn) I made by people paying money to see a performance. No hand outs. No subsidies.“
If you can make a living working to provide something that people pay to receive, then you are entitled to the same respect due to everyone who earns an honest living. And the government absolutely should not be panicking and forcing you to stop working out of misplaced fear of a jumped up cold.
The issue here is government funding.
Funding for unwanted arts, I agre. Letting the West End and all regional theatres die because of idiotic social distancing rules is a separate issue. If they are doing that, they should be providing funding to keep venues alive as it is they, and not the market, destroying them.
Spot on.
Up to a point. The arts should get the same, and no more, emergency support as other areas of the entertainment industry that the government is sabotaging. Much of that is going bust. Why should the arts be any different?
The real solution, as I’m sure we both agree, would be to end the suicidal self-harming that is the government response to the coronapanic.
The main subsidies in every field actually go to private big capital enterprises.
Resentment politics was never a great insight.
“Resentment politics was never a great insight.”
LOL. Except for politics about resenting rich people having more money and suggesting they should pay more taxes, for instance. That’s different, eh?
In reality of course it’s not about resentment, it’s about the basic immorality of coerced charity.
Sorry, the money has been used to enable illegal immigrants from El Salvador to adjust to life in Britain by taking free courses in coracle management on a beach on Gower, South Wales.
I DID NOT MAKE THAT UP.
The government is deliberately destroying every type of enterprise in this country. I see no difference between things that I personally love and things that bore me to death (say, sport). Since the government has stopped legal entities from operating, it should pay compensation to allow them to survive until the government stops restricting lawful activities.
appalling
Does this ring any bells?
Joseph Goebbels, 1941
Not so far.
I’m not sure that quoting Nazis to the lockdown zealots is going to help the anti lockdown movement.
I wonder if, in 80 years time, our descendants will be quoting the “wisdom” of Matt Hancock?
Perhaps.
It’s worth bearing in mind at this point that in 1941 Britain and Germany were at war.
I don’t suppose that Churchill had very nice things to say about the Germans either at that time.
Quite! Oh, you’re not alone in your dislike of Goebbels.
I took AN Other’s point to be that – by and large – Goebbels might unfortunately have been right. And even worse, that our current leadership know that.
Thank you.That was exactly my point. O the joys of the internet!
Evil. Evil. Evil.
I think “bedwetters” is perfectly acceptable.
But don’t you understand? It’s offensive. It offends people. Therefore it must be banned. We are respectable folks. Don’t you see? Inclusivity is our strength! Won’t somebody think of the adult bedwetters!
Coddling the delicate sendibilities of the perpetually-aggreived is the only way to show we care. We want to win the information war. If that means banning words, then ban we must. Don’t be a bedwettist!
We get it, Samhurt
It’s really one of journalist James Delingpole’s jokes and Toby is a friend of his. TBH I don’t see it here very often and I don’t think it really matters that much.
(Clearly we have a difference of opinion!)
And I get that too (see my post from this morning, now way down the page).
I’m less sure I get quite how insisting that people shouldn’t offer an opinion is a robust defence of free speech, but mostly I think I don’t care if people use the term bedwetter and that if Toby wants to stop using it in an effort to make the site more appealing to others, then he should, but if he wants to keep using it, then he should. And if he wants to tell me to stop using it (which he hasn’t done) then he shouldn’t.
Could have been worse.
Could have been ‘pants shitter’.
‘As a habitual pants shitter, I protest…’
I agree with you. I don’t advocate banning it, but I think it doesn’t help. Insulting people’s intelligence for disagreeing with you is a tactic of the liberal left, and is hugely counterproductive for them just as it would be for any interest group.
It’s basic human psychology that people don’t listen to people who are rude to them. They switch off from the idea and focus on the insult.
So it’s great to insult people in private – personally I think they are all bedwetting morons – but maybe from a tactical point of view let’s keep that opinion to ourselves.
The person who ends up winning is usually the one who makes the most friends, not the strongest or the toughest or the shoutiest. Leave the insults to the left – they already patronised Trump to victory and the UK out of Europe, let them do the same here. We’re smarter than that.
Insulting people’s intelligence for disagreeing with you is a tactic of the liberal left.
lol, oh really? You’ve clearly never watched Top Gear in it’s Clarkson/May/ Hammond heyday.
(Which reminds me, maybe will watch a bit of “The Grand Tour” later.)
I don’t think petty insult is the exclusive preserve of the Left.
To some extent it’s a coping mechanism. My advice, with respect, is “grow a pair”.
Really, only the left insult people? Sorry, but you are dead wrong.
As someone on the left, recent events have made me more receptive to the right than ever before in my life, but I put up with years, no, sorry, decades, of being called a “libtard” in the US.
Insults have been freely used on all sides.
Samhurt, be in no doubt, I can be triggered along with the rest of them.
And some jokes – bedwetter Frankie Boyle’s “joke” about Rebecca Adlington certainly being one of them – are in very poor taste and barely acceptable.
But once you get into banning speech you don’t like then you are on a very slippery slope.
I’m being scoffed at for giving a shit about the slope part, but that’s the part that matters.
It’s close. I think I’m right in saying, though, that asking that you disclose your reasons is more of a problem because of confidentiality and data protection (nobody but you and your doctor has a right to know your medical history). The second bullet is spot on.
Well the law it refers to (Equalities Act Section 29(5) (a)) in this regard says:
(5)
A service-provider (A) must not, in providing the service, victimise a person (B)—
(a)
as to the terms on which A provides the service to B;
I suppose it depends how you interpret “insisting” on disclosure.
Covid Distribution Centre?
The legislation also states exactly who is allowed to challenge you and no-one other than those can even ask you.
https://www.laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf
Don’t forget the fines to businesses and personal liability for fines to individuals.
Have a look on here https://laworfiction.com/
Hope that helps.
RANT by Linda Smith on Facebook
“You must be either stubborn beyond belief, utterly brainwashed or thick as shit if you don’t realise what is happening to us after six months of this. We have had all the same resources to research this situation and if you still think this is cos of a ‘virus’ then there is quite simply, no hope for you. Turn off the TV, the same people who own own these international media corporations are the same scumbags who are pushing this agenda which is going to end up with us living in a communist, totalitarian state, constant monitoring (track n trace is just the start).
Our human rights and civil liberties are being stripped away and still most people comply and do whatever they are told… These CV19 figures have been duped – the authorities have even admitted they lied, false positive tests, people sadly dying of other causes are getting recorded of dying ‘with covid’, death certificates falsely labelled with this crap too, people are turning up for tests and leaving because of queues then getting positive results when no test was performed etc etc.
I personally know of a 12 year old boy who killed himself recently and also my kids’ wonderful teacher who couldn’t handle lockdown and took her own life. It’s tragic and it’s just the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people with urgent medical needs who have been discarded by the NHS.
There are many millions of us fighting to protect our children’s futures and its an immeasurable task without being battled by you paranoid, narrative following, mask wearing gullible idiots. Wait for the vaccine!
This message is meant with love and best wishes to all but its beyond a joke now. Its time for us to unite and fight back against this tyranny and we are gonna need more than a fucking Big Mac meal each to do it.
PS Anyone chatting shit on my page is going to be banned.
PPS Stop complying and stop getting tested ffs. This government does not give a shit about you. Quite the opposite.”
(About sums it up)
Could she speak at one of the protests!
Who is Linda?
She did the New quiz on BBC R4 then in the woke purge, they all got got replaced with some crap woke “comedians” instead. I stopped listening to it.
I think the Linda Smith who used to be on the News Quiz died about 15 years ago, though.
Yer wrong linda smith, oops, she wasn’t purged, she died too lol.
Don’t know. My son sent it to me.
But I thought it was a good rant and thanks, Lynda, for putting it writing..
I see no way back for the authorities.
As in a totalitarian state, all institutions have been hopelessly compromised by getting on board with the agenda.
The moment the state of emergency ends is the moment the invstigations of what has happened over the last nine months begin in earnest.
What has transpired probably cannot bear the light of day.
If there is no way back, then you must continue.
This is a horrible story. Toby, can you publicise this more widely please? You might try Allison Pearson at the Daily Telegraph, but SHE is overwhelmed with these stories. Like the NHS.
I use “muzzleturd” or “arsehole” when driving past those who are wearing them miles from anyone walking along the road. Shouting it from the car window is quite satisfying,!
On the bed wetter issue; no as an insult to ordinary people who’s only fault is to have fallen for media and government generated scare campaigns it is harsh and unfair, we should feel sorry for such people even though they often express their fear in irrational anger. For professionals however who either fall for the scares or worse promulgate them ‘bedwetter’ is insufficient, they are criminals, even if they consider their motives to be pure, the outcomes from their actions are diabolically evil and they deserve to rot in jail.
What might be an alternative to ‘bedwetter’? We need something as strong as ‘covidiot’. In fact, in my mind they are the covidiots.
Branch Covidians.
I like Branch Covidians!
Immune system deniers
I like Covid zealots or the hard of thinking.
Here’s what I give whiners at work.
Works wonders.
Good one, but small typo for No.8…
In my defence I was working with Americans at the time.
Meow…
I created my own version of this kind of thing yesterday. Printable version here in case anyone wants one.
Bad news for Ireland
“With a low number of cumulative cases to date and colder weather, Ireland is looking very vulnerable and the “dam bust” is just happening”
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1315220301840633856
Dam bust? Is that cultural appropriation?
Don’t think there were any Irish on that raid. They were too busy sucking up to the Nazis
‘Sucking up’? I don’t think so. I’ve read that British airmen who came down in the Republic were returned to us. Germans were interned.
Correct. Ireland also sold food to Britain throughout the war, supplied weather forecasts to the Allies and allowed the flying boat corridor across South Donegal.
Reports of U-Boats heading into the Atlantic or towards the Irish Sea also mysteriously found their way into Naval Intelligence hands throughout the War.
Tens of thousands from Eire served in the British Armed Forces in World War 2. This included some who deserted from the Irish Defence Forces and who were only recently pardoned.
This number does not include thousands more who came here working in war production, and still thousands more who served in the mercantile marine.
I’m afraid that the relationship between the Irish Republic and the United Kingdom is an extremely complex one. Within it, I suspect everybody can find something to complain about and something to feel good about, whichever side you stand on.
Well it’s evidence of an increase in positive tests
Ivor Cummings touched on this on his recent video. You can essentially place the oncoming winter pressures in the normal category as it stands.
“Replying to
@Covid19Crusher
Thanks for the data .
Could you please add testing data ?
And influenza data 2020 and prior years?
I can’t find flu reporting after week 11.”
Covid cured influenza….
According to some stats I saw a day or so ago, only around 800+ people died from the flu in the 2019-20 season….
When we have a Global Herd of Ignorant and Irresponsible Modern Slaves, that are conditioned to OBEY THE STATE, because after all the “laws” were written under a “democratic” umbrella, this is the ONLY OUTCOME.
The FUN PART is that this is just the BEGINNING of the Secular Ruling Families & Billionaires move into TRANSFORMING Their Planet into a more liveable ONE, because right now the Herd is emitting an awful stench.
Go Go OPERATION GREAT REST…
A top down imposition cannot work long term as it is unsustainable, but a top down regionalism of petty powers bolsters by global funding and support can mobilise the mind-captured to snitch and marshal over their fellows in the name of the virus, or under masking in the narrative that allows funding, limited freedoms and privilege or survival.
If the hospitality sector wishes to survive, it needs to be more hospitable and less hospital.
My daughter and two friends went out to a bar chain last night. They were each charged £5 to sit at the table, the service was appalling, they had to return their food twice, and she received a warning from the security guard from hugging her friend. This morning she tells me it was really unpleasant and she would rather go to someone’s home to socialise.
Just take your custom elsewhere.
I’m sure there are still places that treat their customers like human beings.
As for the bar you mention. Who were they? Name and shame them! Then others will know to avoid them.
That is properly intrusive, of the security guard. How rude and unpleasant. Name and shame!
Paying for a table? Which bar chain, please?
A warning from a security guard for hugging.
That’s getting into proper dystopian hell territory.
There is nothing wrong with the term bedwetters to describe the nervous nellies who cower behind their masks. . They need to grow a spine along with those who take exception to the term.
The GPs letter was welcome from the point of view that we need more medical staff coming forward, this has gone on for long enough.
My mother in law has been incarcerated in the care home without seeing family members since March. They relaxed the rule for one week before they closed all access again. She saw one of her daughters for half an hour behind a perspex screen before they closed access. Now we are told one family member is allowed every 2 weeks for half hour behind screen, no hugs no touching. You wouldn’t treat a dog like this! I could literally batter Johnson and Hancock!
Yep – can I have them with a large portion of chips, please?
What? Do you want food poisoning?
I didn’t say that I would eat them!
lol, well what do you do usually do with a large portion of chips?
I would enjoy watching them fry, not bothered about consuming them, maybe the cat.
I can’t get excited about the ‘bedwetter’ label issue.
… but I don’t think name-calling has much use except as a means of letting off steam. It certainly isn’t going to shame or convert anybody, because it’s beside the point of what is causing them to behave in this way. It will be seen as just another lunatic rant.
That said, I am increasingly despairing of finding any simple way of turning people round, given that quite a few intelligent people I’ve come across literally haven’t a clue about the real state of affairs, and are still getting their story from propaganda sources. Such is the extent and power of the Goebbels machine.
All we can keep doing is to plug away with the hard facts when the opportunity arises. I guess the odd shouting and cursing fit has its place – but it won’t cut the mustard.
I call them freedom-deniers.
And here we are debating whether we are being too mean calling the hysterical cretins who make all that a reality bedwetters.
Everyone who thinks this is a good idea, should be made to live in the conditions of a nursing home, isolated from all family and friends. That’ll teach them.
Bedwetters doesn’t begin to describe these imbeciles.
& the fear porn continues. It’s a shame, but
there is absolutely no need for this story, other than to maintain the fear.
They had quite severe underlying health problems.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/daughters-desperate-coronavirus-plea-after-22826784
I was a researcher for the UK National Ecosystem Assessment about a decade back. It was an attempt by the Green movement to speak the language of economics and essentially be more persuasive in lobbying government. You couldn’t appeal to emotion, so appealing to the pocket was more useful.
It absolutely suffers from a reductionist scientific world view, cartesian some may call it. Iit turns nature into a simple asset to be traded this way or that, and its a race to the bottom. Because everything has to be ascribed some use by our systems of valuation to restrain destruction of it.
It’s doomed to fail not least because it requires a global superstructure to ensure effective management. As we can see with tbe outsourcing of carbon emissions. Whatever you believe on climate change itself, just regarding a system of control, it is global in scale.
Add to that the fact that man is born out of the world, not into it. So we do not stand apart from it like a scientist conducting an experiment. It’s fundamentally flawed.
JP Sears latest on ‘the pandemic’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4hrHAefWaY
OK – so no bedwe*t*rs any more.
Here’s to the ‘urogically diverse’
Seriously.I’ve nevr used the ‘bedwetter’ term because I don’t think it quite captures the phenomenon.
I prefer the catchy term of “cowards who go along with nonsense for what they think is a quiet life but will ultimately turn out to be much worse for them”.
I call them ‘believers’
Communism will succeed this time. It just wasn’t BIG enough before.
Yep, Bliar, Uncle Jo and Piffle Johnson – much the same, but look who is the biggest!
That’s right – pile on the irrelevant loopy rambling. Save 77th Brigade a job.
This is about liberty, totalitarianism, the police state, etc. – not ‘communism’.
All of these ‘isms’ come down to the same thing – a boot on your neck.
A fascist boot, a communist boot – what difference does it make to the person whose neck it is.
I reckon most here have little direct experience of communist or fascist regimes. Neither have I.
All I’ve experienced was Poland in the 1970’s.
The fact that the situation here and now in the UK is worse is certainly no recommendation for that time and place. But, just to keep perspective, it is a condemnation of Tory Britain in 2020. Sauce for the goose …
Fascism / Communism, far right / far left – it is pretty irrelevant they are installing an authoritarian police state, and unless more people start standing up to this we will be living under tyranny for a long time. Need to unite for Freedom.
Precisely. Political hobby-horse riding is worse than beside the point – it feeds those who will write off comments about the Covid scam as sectarian burble.
Agree 100%
No, it would just fail on a bigger scale than ever before.
The USSR lasted as long as it did because it had a thriving outside world to which it could export ist raw materials.
A global Soviet would obviously not have that.
Communism does not work even on a global scale.
And we can’t teach our future engineers mathematics or physics.
Didn’t work before. Nor the time before that. Nor before that either. Don’t hold your breath for it working this time either.
Whereas the king, nobles, serfs model worked for time immemorial.
It worked while everything remained exactly the same. Once things changed, whether it was the fall of Constantinople (closed the Silk Road to western Europe, so they had to find another way round); the Black Death (major reduction in population, allowed greater social and physical mobility); or the Renaissance/Reformation (changed people’s ideas and perspectives about themselves and the world), the old model fell apart.
There are many reasons why Communism, or its variants fail. This is not the place to discuss them, but in short consumerism, choice, alternative philosophies, human nature, instinctive greed, and the fact that not everything that can be invented has been invented are the major contributions to its failure.
Top-down economic central planning has never worked, anywhere, under any system.
Indeed; my point was more that you almost always end up with a nomenklatura at the top enjoying privileges the serfs don’t, and exploiting them, especially if there has been a sudden and violent transition via overthrow of an ancien regime. A society with a substantial educated class who realise that social provision reduces crime as well as poverty, enabling peaceful trade, seems a reasonable aspiration. Maybe the answer isn’t always 42, it’s – Sweden again.
Out for a walk this morning and I noticed the bus shelter has got another wonderful new NHS poster,lots of happy people in muzzles with the massage ‘We’ve all got to do everything we can to keep everyone safe’ or something like that.I will have to take my marker pens next time I’m going that way.
Perhaps a tin of paint and a large brush in the dead of night?
I use blank stickers lrinted with the message of my choice. Right over the stupid, muzzled mugs.
Banksy the propaganda
Print and laminate these to post up in the bus stop:
Watch out for CCTV! They do have it in bus shelters sometimes or nearby on the street.
Hi Toby ,
thanks for keeping going.
But perhaps you may be reconsidering your early stance on govt motivation (ie cock-up vs conspiracy) by now it’s patently obvious this has nothing to do with public health.
we are being dragged towards a new and unexplained future by a global juggernaut and our intellectually inadequate members of the govt and parliament are unwilling or incapable of even expressing basic honesty about the true nature of the situation.
I can’t speak for Toby Young, but I don’t see any reason to change my view on this.
It is not a global conspiracy to destroy human civilisation. Sorry. I know that some of you have convinced yourselves that it is, but you’re not going to convince me.
There are certainly vultures around who are swooping down to take advantage of the carnage. Big pharma wants it’s hunk of meat, as do the mask manufacturers.
But that doesn’t mean that covid-19 was planned.
And sure, there are globalists who are seizing the day. Gates sees it as a great opportunity to push his vaccine agenda. It’s his pet project. He thinks he’s doing good. I think he is delusional, but I do not think he is some evil mastermind plotting against humanity.
Sorry, but if you put everything you just said together is that not a conspiracy?
No.
Vultures don’t work with hyenas. But they are always on the lookout for fresh kill.
That is why global conspiracies seem implausible, too many individual actors all utterly selfish and ready to betray the rest at a nanosecond’s notice, including by elling all about the conspiracy. National conspiracies within some, or most, of the locked down nations, all happening at roughly the same time because the virus is convenient cover, that sounds rather more plausible.
A conspiracy would imply foreknowledge.
Hydrxychloroquine was available over the counter in France for more than 60 years.
On January 13th 2020 it was made prescription only.
Iwould love to know what prompted this decision.
Was it?
I don’t know the answer to this question.
If you can provide a link to the evidence for your assertion then that would be a good start.
I think you have inferred more than is written. I don’t mention conspiracy.
civilisation isn’t going to end, but we are witnessing major events in the multiple agendas vying for control of the future.
one can pretend it’s not so , one can anticipate it being better. The main issue is that this isn’t about public health, and the road on which we are forced to travel is to a place many people would find totally unacceptable if given a choice. That is way it’s being done by subterfuge and manipulation.
I think you have inferred more than is written. I don’t mention conspiracy.
Erm, you do. I quote you:
“Hi Toby ,
thanks for keeping going.
But perhaps you may be reconsidering your early stance on govt motivation (ie cock-up vs conspiracy)”
Well it’s a figure of speech.
To imagine all this is a misunderstanding based on good intent is misguided.
Gates is merely the visible front .
If one thinks this will just blow over and we’ll be OK after a dose of “vaccine” fine but evidence is there to be found and has been for years that the big agendas are in play now.
Please research more into these matters, conspiracy is a loaded term these days thanks to the mass propaganda we’re subjected to. However demonising the word or people who see things for what they are doesn’t mean these things don’t happen.
To imagine all this is a misunderstanding based on good intent is misguided. Gates is merely the visible front.
This is your opinion. I don’t agree with it. Sorry.
A big dose of vaccine will change nothing. If the cause is cockup it won’t stop the panic, if the cause is conspiracy it will just be a harmless attention getter while more sinister things go on with social credit systems in th background. The cure for the pandemic is for everyone to stop obeying tyrannical restrictions and embrace herd immunity. In a cockup scenario this cure soon becoems the obvious answer when it is seen to work, in a conspiracy scenario mass defiance of the rules still solves the problem.
Not a new issue , but a major technical problem in combatting the welter of false Scary Fairy stuff at the moment, is the two-week lag in ONS all-cause mortality data, which is the one source that one can use to discredit the government nonsense by giving perspective.
I don’t like ‘bedwetters’ because I don’t think they’re simply afraid.
I think they just prefer to go along with what they’re told, because the alternative would be to risk having to stand up to the establishment. So I prefer the term “collaborators”.
The dictator is accused of having a one night stand in Davos
Altogether now to the tune of Chubby Browns living next door to Alice
‘Who the fuck is Davos’
tell us more !?
In the Mail
Jonathan Van Tam wishes it to be known that the U.K. is at a tipping point.
What a f*ckwitt. Yes, landfill if we carry on like this much longer.
A short video – 3 minutes – looking at conformity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8BkzvP19v4
Make of this what you will but the Covid ZOE symptom app which was the first to pick up the recent surge has been showing consistent signs of a slowdown over the past week.
https://covid.joinzoe.com/data
A levelling off would be expected once some sort of HiT is reached.
It’s not outright proof but more evidence to support immunity suppression.
There is no recent surge.
As Kary Mullis said of his PCR test :”To test for a specific virus, and suggest that the result has any special meaning is a problem in terms of interpretation,”
good news!
Not bedwetters. Make it sophisticated.
Covid Chaise-lounge micturators.
Posh bastard bedwetters
Wee, sleekit, cow’rin, tim’rous beastie,
O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi’ bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an’ chase thee,
Wi’ murd’ring pattle!
Wee, sleekit, cow’rin, tim’rous beastie,
O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi’ bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an’ chase thee,
Wi’ murd’ring pattle!
Je Suis un bedwetteur.
I was pissing by your door…
Je suis un pissenlit.
‘I am a dandelion.’
There is other coverage, it is definitely true, this video is quite amusing, they don’t like being questioned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0BZuSwwjQ
To be fair to them it probably wasn’t what they joined the army for.
They’re not really in a position to disobey orders are they?
Don’t go with them, they are shooting people and burying them in pits on the edge of town
They will probably outsource that job to Serco in a few months time.
No, the correct thing, as in Nazi-occupied Russia, is to make the victims dig their own graves and then shoot them.
I think most zombies are already at the digging stage.
The Army / RAF staff seem very professional and would clearly rather be doing something else. It is pretty humiliating to get the guy to drag around a granny trolley all day for a couple of bossy council workers. Why can’t they get civilians to do the job? I assume it is deliberately done to create a sense of fear and panic in the community. 750,000+ including me signed up for the volunteer service in March and most of us didn’t receive a single task to do. It’s scandalous getting the military involved in this now.
I agree.
In response to the letter expressing reservations about the term “bedwetter”, I have spent an enjoyable few hours dipping in and out of thought about it, because I don’t think it’s an adequate term, and as such I have been trying to think of a better one. I have not used it verbally, I have preferred coward, wimp, or moron, and I don’t usually comment on these matters, so I haven’t typed it either.
Whilst I haven’t been able to come up with a suitable personal term, I am reminded of a non-word I came up with a while ago: blithonym, to mean a combination of various forms of bluster, hot air, and general nonsense under one word or phrase, such as Track and Trace or Protect the NHS.
I am content to leave the sensible talking to messrs Gupta, Levitt, Heneghan, among others, and am happy that the Great Barrington Declaration is gathering support. That it has been shadowbanned is an unexpected boost, because these tactics are invariably self defeating.
My thanks for a very engaging question. Inadequate and unprofessional use of language has been at the root of this whole business, and finding and trying to reduce one’s own limitations is time well spent.
“Inadequate and unprofessional use of language has been at the root of this whole business.”
Indeed. And will continue to be. It is this language that we as skeptics cannot control. So to think that we are now debating the correct language to use for those who are incapable of making the distinction between what constitutes a case and a positive test is frankly laughable.
Many people are metaphorically wetting their beds and no use of correct language will change that. Wearing masks in cars is conclusive proof of this. Facts won’t change for them what is now a religion. Covid disciples.
How about: collaborators. It would make people think twice.
Describe each of them as a Vidkun Covid-ling?
Book of Exodus – 21:5 to 21:7
“…5But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children; I do not want to go free,’ 6then his master is to bring him before the judges. And he shall take him to the door or doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he shall serve his master for life.7And if a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as the menservants do.…
The author of these lines long ago recognized that many value perceived security over freedom.
I’ve made a few more visualisations, from the ONS data, for anyone here interested.
I’d like to do a better Flu comparison, but the figures for this year are complete nonsense. Either way, I’m now convinced ( if I wasn’t already ) that this was an elderly care crisis, mainly by poorly managed, western governments. All the media hysteria and big tech driven politics aside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXgoMjKpH4&feature=youtu.be
That is useful thank you, it amazes me that we do not get this sort of straightforward comparison in the media. It will be interesting to see how the final figures for 2020 compare with other years, apart from the April spike 2020 does not look to be an unduly bad year for deaths.
The media and the government advisers are currently terrified that we are only weeks away from high death rates again but I wonder if we will see relatively normal rates of death from respiratory illness and that it will just be that they are recorded as Covid rather than any other respiratory disease?
“it amazes me that we do not get this sort of straightforward comparison in the media.”
It’s simple, Steve – the evidence doesn’t fit the narrative.
It could be, that when finally measured January – January, we could be looking at a worse than average year, but probably not the apocalyptic numbers that have been forecast. Of course, suicides aside, this doesn’t really take into account the long term effects on health of the lockdowns.
Great Chart
Looking at the year-to-date for England and Wales separately, the number of deaths for England was 425,995, which is 52,345 (14.0%) more than the five-year average. Of these, 50,195 (11.8%) mentioned COVID-19. In Wales, the number of deaths up to 25 September 2020 was 27,114, which is 2,049 (8.2%) more than the five-year average; of these, 2,587 deaths (9.5%) mentioned COVID-19.
Looking at September things look normal though rising slowly but below 5 year average
They seem to have two figures on the run weekly analysis 52345 more
Monthly 33003 more
They seem to be out by about 20000
Yeah, it’s all over the place.
Brilliant. Is it adjusted for population?
It’s per 100.000, so yes. The historic flu chart in the animation isn’t though
I wonder how many other times throughout the years governments have ordered sick patients from hospitals into elderly care homes?
Why are the army wearing council bibs?
OR
Why are the council wearing army uniforms?
Sinister
Maybe I am missing something here. Why would you need to ask people if they would like to be tested in the middle of a pandemic?
Good news:
The Great Barrington Declaration is again appearing as the first result of a search on google.
So it is – interesting. However, as someone pointed out below, having the likes of Google censor is perhaps helps the cause. I’m not sure either way.
Google did censor it, but they must have relented.
Google made a blunder by shadow banning it.
All pub is good pub.
I’ll raise a glass to that!
Yes it’s made a lot more people aware of the censorship that goes on at Google. Hopefully a lot of people have changed their default search engine permanently.
Great.
“UK infection rate is doubling every 8 to 16 days” says Van-Tam. That’s one hell of a leeway he’s allowed himself. Are these people coached in the use of bullshit?
There is a ongoing tendency in all of us to minimise the awfulness of what is going on. Crimes against humanity are being sanctioned and mandated by the state and the medical establishment. Those of us who complain are to some extent conscious of the horror. Those who deny it is happening at all are truly collaborating in the birth of a fascist state. They should be named as such.
What % of current “cases” are asymptomatic?
According to the likes of the WHO, PHE, etc what is the risk of getting infected from somebody with no symptoms?
By chance Lockdown T please see my post just after you question. 8/10 positives are asymptomatic according to Edinburgh Univesity Study published around Weds last week.
thx
I don’t agree with your opinion.
It’s getting increasingly harder to claim this all just incompetence.
Yes
Doesn’t mean you have to fall for/believe in absolutely anything and everything else though, no matter how far-fetched.
I’m not fully on board with all of it. But big agendas are definitely in play here.
Oh yes, people with an agenda to push are definitely pushing. No question about that. Not so convinced TPTB are listening to them, though,
Edinburgh University peer reviewed study finds:
Lockdowns will cause far more deaths longterm.
8 out of 10 who are testing positive have no symptoms of SARS-CoV-2.
Lockdown prevents the build up of herd immunity.
Lockdowns have made things worse in 19 out of the 20 ‘Northern’ towns that had local lockdowns imposed.
The study used only data that was known back in March – the implication is the Government advisors and therefore Governments knew that their actions would increase death. A very interesting listen. It has Richie Allen dissecting the skynews interview for his radio show – never-the-less Prof Atland’s answers are clear and unambiguous.
Sky News interview of Professor Graham Atland starts at 10 mins in for several moments. https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-10-08T11_19_17-07_00
With regard to the 8 out of 10 +ve’s with no symptoms, by my understanding of the disease these are people who are immune from getting Covid disease (with some being false +ve’s). As I understand it, if we do get a vaccine that is how the vaccine will work.
So by my book all these huge case infection figures are actually a huge outbreak of immunity. In saner times the information that most people are proving immune to Covid 19 would be greeted as good news. But it appears we do not live in sane times.
Joseph Goebbels describing very exactly what’s happening around the world since early 2020:
“If you tell a lie big often enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
“The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.
The importance of furlough.
Yep.
Sunak is all in too.
Perhaps. But at least he’s not a fucking Nazi.
Sort of Johnson’s Albert Speer perhaps?
It wasn’t praise.
This saying has been attributed to Geobbels. I’ve heard it before.
I’m not sure it needs attributing to this monster as though he was some sort of font of all wisdom.
Quite honestly, I think it is very very bad form to quote Nazis on here.
Given what’s going on, I think it is perfectly apt to quote them.
Yes, but there might be a problem when the lockdown zealots start saying,
“Oh that site, they’re all Nazi sympathisers on there!”
It’s historical, and the conclusions people are making concerning the methods being used by today’s politicians ties pretty neatly to what the Nazis said and did.
And I say this as some who’s grandfather died in a German concentration camp.
He was drunk and fell out the guard tower…
Yes, I agree.
But the original poster in attributing the saying to Goebbels was indirectly praising him.
It’s about the use of propaganda, and how it’s used by dictatorships to get people to do terrible things. Under the current circumstances, it’s highly relevant.
Nice people don’t do or say such things as that quoted above. We can’t limit ourselves to just quoting nice people.
Know your enemy.
I know what you are saying.
But why not just say this without attribution?
https://medium.com/@marcie_hatter/you-can-shut-up-about-masks-now-e4e37cffc301
Can only describe this kind of article as insane. I can understand people who believe the masks myth through the application of misplaced common sense arguments, but zealous calls to mask everyone all the time is so far removed from reality and angers me greatly. So this is just a rant. I do apologise.
This particularly enraged and self centered person wants us to feel that if we just listen to her the whole thing will be over. They literally claim in this article masks alone will bringing this to a close.
They don’t want us to blame individuals who don’t wear masks of course, no, that would upset her self image as a humane, caring person. Instead she wants us to blame the government so they’ll slap fines on those individuals and force them to wear masks, save she might have to do any of the enforcement herself. She gets to outsource the blame and the work, thereby maintaining her virtuous self image and help the world by bringing this to a close.
They have no concept of self accountability. They have no knowledge of risk and are so far removed from what is really going on they feel compelled to write numerous articles about how masks will save the world.
Honestly, I couldn’t get through it. The author was so hysterical and self-righteous that it was unreadable.
Crazier than a shithouse rat
In stark contrast to Giesecke being downright firm about their lack of efficacy in the non hospital setting this morning on R4!
The. Foul. Cow.
It’s called virtue signalling.
Medium seems to host a lot of unsavoury people, e.g. Stuart Badsen, who admitted that Extinction Rebellion was nothing to do with climate change, but about ending capitalism and the patriarchy…
https://medium.com/extinction-rebellion/extinction-rebellion-isnt-about-the-climate-42a0a73d9d49
Dr.Karlyn Borysenko also wrote her article about why she’d left the Democrats, and went to a Trump rally. The article doesn’t appear to be available any more. Can’t think why….
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pWUrYG_1FhU
“Ruth 40-something mum of two, Merseyside.”
Call social services????
The TERROR of talking with someone not wearing a mask. This is a mental illness, pure and simple. A state and media induced one, but a mental illness all the same.
She’s insane!
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/52/suppl_1/S75/499147
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
1282 children year 0-17 died of swinefluH1N1 in the US during 2009-2010 swine flu pandemic total deaths 12500 that is an astonishing 10 % of all swine flu deaths were in children!
C-19 presently 219000 deaths in the US of C-19. Death in age 0-14 years (0-17 year not available) of C-19 is presently 72 Oct 7th. That is 0.033% of all C-19 deaths compared to swine flu 10% of all swine flu deaths.
The risk of children dying of swine flu was almost 18 times more than dying from C-19.
Does anyone think that MSM and general public is aware of this enormous difference?
The level of hysteria during the swine flu for schools and children never reached even a fraction of the current school and University hysteria for C-19.
All logic to support the hysteria is balled so tightly that context finds it difficult to penetrate it.
Fear is now equivalent to compassion
A comment on the latest polling. That a majority of people appear to support lockdown is not surprising when the MSM and tech giants continue to pour out SAGE propaganda, giving particular prominence to the more extreme members of that self-righteous organisation. Some of the journalists behind this campaign are clearly politically motivated; but I suspect others are simply unwilling to admit mistakes when they first reported on Covid, despite all the evidence now staring them in the face. The tragedy is that these people, in protecting their own vanity, are helping to pile up the collateral damage.
I know a couple of lockdown supporters (luckily most people I associate with are not). The thing is they both actually break the guidelines. One runs a business and has refused to let his office staff work at home this time even though it worked ok when they were forced to in March. The other obviously doesn’t socially isolate with (non bubble) family members -taking them out in the car etc. They definitely agree with the restrictions but they only follow the ones that suit them. One dislikes his family so the rule of six doesn’t affect him and neither go out beyond 10pm. I think many of the supporters do support the rules but only for other people (and themselves when it suits them)!
The people I know who are in favour of the lockdowns and social distancing and the rest constantly break the rules; they clearly think the rules are for others.
People support lockdown for other people. Hypocrisy (probably the most human of traits) has had a grand outing in the last 7 months. I blame other people for not obeying the rules, but I have a perfectly legitimate excuse for not obeying them myself and anyway, they have Covid, I don’t have Covid. Pretty transparent.
Can any one confirm my impression that the fake track and trace app is no longer available? I’m guessing it has been hacked or the creator has been shamed into removing it after he was doxxed by Vice.
I think there was alternative mirrors made available, its in the wild now. there is also another web site the does the web app version. Not sure where it is.
If you find it you can probably download the html page and asociated files for the web app and keep yourself a local coy on the device, still good even if the actual website goes down again. On a PC most browsers have a “Save page as” option, then copy the html file and folder which are produced to the phone and work out how to get the phone’s browser to open something within its own filesystem.
They are not going to stop unless forced. Stupid people who believe all the propaganda about covid are forcing their own jobs out of business. No wonder the politicians laugh
The only consolation is that those in favour of these ludicrous lockdowns are decreasing in number
As lawyer Gordon Pankalla stated at yesterday’s demo in Bonn:
“The fact alone that there are no rules about what kind of face covering one must wear, that you can also just wear a (…ridiculously useless against a virus or viral droplet) scarve, for example, are clear proof that these mask mandates are absolutely NOT about a medical issue.
They are solely put in place to make you shut up, to signal your consent with government policies and reduce or identify the dissenters thereby.”
They are just: Gessler’s hats/Hitler salutes.
(And on top of that, they are even a
health hazard to the consenting, stupid wearer. But maybe, that’s also intentional.)
Needless to say, he is not a fan of the vaccines and health passports either.
Earlier this morning, I found and replied to a kind comment on my Wuhan article (linked by Toby today). Now, checking in again in the hope of more, I find both comment and reply are gone.
Both posts had links to another site, and I suspect that’s why they were removed. I’d like to be certain, though, so I’m asking.
I have no idea George.
I would love to read it thoughif you leave the link here again plase.
Thanks!
And I’d love to give it again, thanks. So, since it looks like one link is OK:
https://gdspoliticalanimal.blogspot.com/2020/10/did-lockdown-work-in-wuhan.html
I believe more than two links in a post is removed? It could be an auto moderation feature
I also would like to know how many people have downloaded the real track and trace app. I’m guessing it is still not that many or else the government would be bragging about it.
Just pretend to do It, like me and I suspect (hope) loads of other people.
Germany 14 million on day 1.
16 million 2 months later…..
Those who download it are the zealots, on day 1.
Then, it dies a slow, deserved death and/as thereby, it also becomes totally useless.
I use it to checkin where asked. This is a faff but for me it’s marginally better than giving out my personal details every time. But for each use I do the following. Start it up fresh with a false postcode, Accept all the crap it asks for then check in and show the door sentry if asked. When out of sight immediately cancel the venue check-in, turn off bluetooth and location, go into the app details in settings, turn off notifications , clear data and force stop. It then sits on my phone deactivated until I use it next. This process effectively gets me in where I’m asked to use it but renders it effectively useless as a tracing app.
I think we’re on 12 million downloads. And have been for weeks…
Hell will freeze over before I download that rubbish. If I was to go somewhere that insisted I use the app I would simply turn around and go somewhere else. The fact that only 12 million people have downloaded the thing gives the lie to the opinion polls, imho.
Do the figures for downloads include the people who have downloaded it and then deleted it?
I don,t have a phone. It downloaded (whatever that means) onto the OH’s phone without being invited
if you get a hammer and hit your phone a few times it fucks up the app.
AWD: Around 16 million in the UK, I believe.
How genuine is the Labour reaction to Boris’s new lockdown plans for the north?
They are just playing party politics.
Maybe get more money for the councils they control.
I haven’t looked into it too much but I’m assuming the new furlough scheme which is aimed at businesses forced to close through local lockdowns is just a ruse to encourage the local mayors etc. in charge to be advocating more local lockdowns.
It’s all about the money. If they truly cared they would be pushing for the money, but simultaneously pushing for lockdown to end. They are doing one, but not the other. Draw your own conclusions!
As genuine as a £9 note?
I asked an Amish man how come they haven’t had any corona virus cases. He said because they don’t watch t.v.
Ah that’s just bloody marvellous!
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Good news that Google have un-shadow banned the GBD, phew. Good new about professional BS merchant Musk going sceptical. Phew.
On the subject of bedwetters, I don’t think this term should be used, it’s a bit crap, like somebody else said very public school, very boys in the dorm, a dated term.
Apart from that it is a perjorative. Much as we dislike the kind of person that it is used to describe and the sentiments attached to it it is not helpful. It gives opponents more ammunition.
Tricky one, I like Branch Covidians but again that is a pejorative and Toby, as a reputable professional, pejoratives should be avoided. There is no need to put people down, its just a cheap shot. It doesn’t help. It’s the sort of thing I would do and that’s why I am not a journalist.
Leave the put downs and cheap shots to us in the comments section, this is one area where we really “stand out”.
It’s not a matter of free speech either really just bettering your writing style.
I have to say this, my Mum has been hinting at the idea that this site has another agenda, she keeps telling me “but ahh what are they really trying to tell you”. So I asked her what she actually means by this, she said “well its because Toby Young is a eugenicist”
She got this from my brother no doubt who is seemingly a radical lefty now, very into the covid fairy tale. I haven’t talked to him for ages, as our views on covid are totally divergent. We just can’t talk about it sensibly. I know he will have used this as his reason not to even click on this page let alone read it.
I think what he was probably referring to was something Toby wrote about allowing poor families to pick eggs or sperm from intelligent parents in order to upwardly drive their social mobility. Well a bit out there perhaps but no different to wealthy people choosing their kids from a genetics catalogue.
Anyway just saying, don’t give possible converts any reason to not click here. It will take almost nothing to divert people like my brother away.
“Good new about professional BS merchant Musk going sceptical.”
I recall some very early sceptical comments from Musk, which I quoted in the comments here back in May, I think. I’m not a huge fan generally, which is one reason I took notice, along with the fact that celeb sceptical stuff was like rocking horse droppings at the time.
Yes, Musk has been a vocal sceptic from the very start – and has had an ongoing spat with Bill Gates about his lack of a ‘science’ background. He is an interesting character, and I agree, not someone I am a fan of, especially after his trashing of Vernon Unsworth (the Thai cave rescue). However, he is very well-connected!
Today’s suggestion is not quite in the same league as putting abortion clinics in black neighbourhoods in the hope they’ll abort all of their next generation (eg, Planned Parenthood in the U.S.)
I can see Toby’s viewpoint, but decent education would go a lot further to improve the lives of the poor. In this country, up until the sixties and the Wilson government, that’s what we had. Then they decided to get rid of all grammar schools, to level the playing field, supposedly, and then dumbed down the education for all but those who could pay for private education.
I think Musk called Ferguson a bit of a tool or something along those lines.
I went to Private School and it never did me any harm
My late father and mother served in the RAF and WRAF during the second world war
Both had very close shaves with death
When they married they were each given two days leave and then had to go back to their respective rolls not knowing if they would ever see each other again
To see the RAF used against the people in this way has made me cry
We must rid ourselves of this pig dictator
What are the RAF up to? Have I missed something?
https://t.me/giessenfuerfreiheit/8392
The coroner at Germany’s most prestigious hospital, the Charité in Berlin (sadly also the employer of Germany’s biggest criminal), talks about ignoring anti-autopsy guidance and that the biggest problem and vast majority of people now landing on his table are lockdown victims, who literally locked themselves in for 6 months, were too fearful to get out or see a doctor, and died in filth and squalor.
So much for Germany’s ‘success’.
When I was a kid I’d get nasty soar throats every so often like everyone else. When I was in my early twenties I had a week where I couldn’t eat because of a nasty throat infection. But since then nothing, apart from a slight headache and background throat inconvenience every so often, that soon went away as my immunity fought things off
Is it possible that all the viruses are related, and once you’ve had a few you’ve had them all?
But even though I have immunity, could I not test positive when my immunity fights off one of the inter-bred viruses?
And when I get old and frail and my immune system starts to fail through other illnesses, could I not be finished off naturally by a virus I was once immune to?
(never had flu as far as I’m aware, and never a flu jab)
Is it possible that all the viruses are related, and once you’ve had a few you’ve had them all?
No, the flu virus is an entirely different sort of virus to a coronavirus.
I get colds and bugs occasionally. Maybe once every three years or so. Sometimes even bad enough for me to take to my bed.
I think I once had the flu about 20-25 years ago when I still lived with my parents. Self diagnosis though.
Thanks, when I said related I meant all corona viruses related, all flu viruses related, all rhino viruses related, etc – and if you’ve had one or two of each then are you likely have good immunity to the next one that comes along? cos I don’t get ill, haven’t been for 30 years, though I am quite sure I have been exposed to many viruses over last 30 years.
I think about 15% of colds are caused by coronaviruses, so yes, maybe you would have pre-existing immunity from them if you had had a coronavirus cold.
However, I have never in my life (and I am over 50) been tested for a virus. I doubt many other people have either before this year. As far as I am concerned a cold is a cold.
Maybe my colds have been caused by coronaviruses, maybe by rhinoviruses. Who knows?
The thing is, ones own anecdotal experience of these things is not scientific.
Maybe you are immune to some viruses, maybe we all are?
But who cares, a cold is trivial. As is Covid-19 for the majority of people that get it.
LOL well I care – and your answer suggests you missed my point and have answered something else, but thanks anyway
it is surely part of the basis for ‘natural’ immunity and the various definitions of herd immunity
I repeat:
Ones own anecdotal experience of these things is not scientific.
Bit lots of ‘ones’ makes a herd
Quite possibly, who knows? Let me rephrase that for you:
Your anecdotal experience of these things is not scientific.
”who knows” well not you or me, but maybe there’s a clever person in here who does have an idea – and that is who my questions were aimed at….
look, I was trying to be helpful, but you seem intent on regarding my comments with hostility.
I have no idea why.
I’m not trying to insult your intelligence. Maybe stop trying to insult mine?
I have a degree in Chemistry.
well my degree in mechanical engineering is equally unhelpful regarding my question. Its a bit rich you accusing others of hostility, I generally try to treat you, with your various names, with kid gloves
Good God. Who the hell are you? Seriously.
PS: I have no idea who you are, but my guess is that “Major Panic” is not your real name.
We are all private individuals here. And, while I would personally prefer that all persons use their real names, I understand that people wish to retain their anonymity.
I will continue to comment as and when I want to, as should you.
And, if you, as you arrogantly assert, want to treat my comments with “kid gloves” then why have you chosen to respond to every comment I have posted up to now?
You don’t have to respond. I shall now return the favour and treat your comments with “kid gloves”.
i used to have a degree in chemistry but now i’m older i’ve cleansed up my act
I know the feeling biker.
I would say one’s own anecdotal experience/evidence is the basis of science
Evidence is the basis of science.
Anecdote and personal experience certainly are not!
and Science is like Yin and Yang but reality isn’t science, it’s the line in-between yin and yang.
But how much does your lifestyle resemble that of a battery hen? Very little, I’m guessing. Seems to me that humans’ disease problems began as soon as we started spending so much time living indoors. And of course the most dosed up, vaccinated creatures on the planet are our cheap , intensively produced food sources, pigs and chickens.
And the best part of LDs? They keep people indoors!
I had chicken pox twice as a young child and have suffered from my fair share of nasty colds since, but nothing more serious than that (I’ve never had the flu as far as I know). I’ve always wondered if there was a relationship.
sure there is. Those childhood infections have been shown to protect adults from all sorts of other illnesses..cancers included.
I usually get at least one cold a year, sometimes twice. Happened most recently in February and last November.
LOl – well I had similar after traveling via China last December and after a colleague came back from china mid February – but very mild
Not all viruses are related, but there are coronaviruses that cause common colds. Dr. Gupta’s been looking at the question of cross-immunity to COVID-19 from those.
Of course Mumkin that just shows how dangerous the virus is.
They seek him here.
They seek him there.
They seek Coroni everywhere.
It’s an impossible task
Just wear a mask.
That will protect us
That they swear
Its great to see nurses, doctors, scientists and other exports feel comfortable giving Toby things to publish on his and Wills daily LS page updates – the more professional they keep it the more likely other experts will feel comfortable giving LS more good stuff to report on…
Is this bad? Got my niece all of a flutter about her mask wearing now when she said she had a headache and felt a bit sick, wanted to me to say maybe it was covid, but I said ‘maybe you’ve been breathing in too much carbon dioxide from wearing your mask, that’s what happens and it can be dangerous’. Didnt know that she said.
Good work :o))
The human body is very sensitive to changes in CO2 because it changes the pH of the body, which cells generally, and the nervous system in particular, don’t like. In the short term the body will react to changes in CO2 more strongly than changes in oxygen so it can maintain the correct acid/alkali balance
Why is ‘social distancing’ not called ‘physical distancing’ or even just ‘distancing’?
I call it anti-social distancing.
me too
Because it is distancing from people.
You say that, but I have seen a stand here blue circle on the pavement in front of a cash machine. No other 2 meter circles on the pavement. Guess cash machines must be included!
its a phrase that has Cummings written all over it.
Its a phrase that has been used globally and translated into all the world’s languages. Cummings isn’t responsible for this shit he is just using it for a smokescreen for brexit and the transformation of the UK into a new global panopticon.
Well said…..2-6
This was challenged on the BBC by a viewer on the Victoria sth show before it got axed, and she agreed.
I have never used the term sd, only physical distancing.
It is a term deliberately used to divide people.
I’ve always used ‘physical distancing’ for things like the 6-foot rule and the rule of 6, and ‘social distancing’ as a broader category that includes things like Zooming rather than meeting and ordering in rather than eating out. I know some people don’t like the word “social,” because of the way some others use it, but I don’t want to concede the words “social” or “society” to the latter. Society isn’t the government; society is what the government wrecked in March.
You don’t get it. Its the science of deconditioning and reconditioning human behaviours. Not making sense in terms of who you think you are and what you think the world or anything is or should be.
As I Walked Out – Van Morrison
Gets straight to the point about lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOaiWTfvOk
“As I Walked Out”
As I walked out all the streets were empty
The government said everyone should stay hope
And they spread fear and loathing and no hope for the future
Not many did question this very strange move
Well, on the government website from the 21st March 2020
It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk
Then two days later they put us under lockdown
Then why are we not being told the truth?
By all the media outlets and the government lackeys
Why is this not big news, why is it being ignored?
Why no checks and balances, why no second opinions?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
As I walked out all the streets were empty
The government said everyone should stay hope
And they spread fear and loathing and no hope for the future
Not many did question this very strange move
But on the government website from the 21st March 2020
It said COVID-19 was no longer high risk
Then two days later Boris put us under lockdown
Why are we not being told the truth?
By all the media outlets and the government lackeys
Why is this not big news, why is it being ignored?
Why no checks and balances, why no second opinions?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
Why are they working, and why are we not?
My four year old daughter said to me yesterday “Dad you know what I wish? That the coronavirus will go away”
I told her neither she or her mummy or daddy will get ill from it. That she doesn’t need to worry and I will answer all her questions. I nearly cried in front of her.
Thank you. Kind words indeed.
Never watch the news in front of children, never talk about adult things with them either. People these days are so stupid they’ve forgotten that children are children and need to play and imagine they don’t need the news and adult life
Unfortunately that doesn’t stop the message getting through. They’ll be subjected to the theatre at school, when entering any building, when their gran emerges from the home with a mask.
The conspiracy theorists claim that this is all about eugenicists wanting to depopulate the world.
If that is the case, then perhaps the point of masks is tio find out who wears them voluntarily -and then eliminate those people as being obviously too stupid for the future.
Yes, a world full of sheep is pretty useless. Free thinkers are what is needed.
i very doubt free thinkers are what the new order governments are wanting. Its the mask wearers that will survive the cull, although I won’t be sorry to not survive to the next stage of selection. Round 1 wont eliminate many, so the next round will be to kill off business owners (not the corporates natch).
Not what they want. But Johnson will be on tomorrow with the next lot of Cr*p for the sheep to dance to, what a lark they must think it is.
But we need people who just want to go to work and do a mundane job. Do you want to stand at a factory production belt and do quality control for 8 hours a day 40 years of working life? Well, maybe it will leave plenty of time to freely think.
That sort of job is what machines are for, we need free thinking humans to develop those machines. And in taking up roles in setting up machiens for production line monitoring all the Ai experts will have to stop working on surveillance devices, so as another plus-side facial recognition will never get any more dangerous than its current level of capability.
unless the idea is to keep the stupid ones and get rid of us?
I’ve been wondering if the upcoming vaccine may actually protect against something else that’s coming. Hence taking out all of the dissenters in one go when it hits. Though that’s obviously a bit dark and I’m probably over thinking it!
Leggy There’s wrong with over thinking it’s under thinking I have a problem with
sorry ..Insert ..nothing wrong
The meaninglessness of the PCR test: Dr Tom Cowan & Kary Mullis, censored off youtube but can be seen on bitchute:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EN78RCYKA7Yr/
Inventor of PCR receives Nobel prize for inventing PCR.
Inventor gives talk on the subject.
Youtube censors his talk on the subject by removing it.
Amazon and perhaps all other distributors have effectively ‘burned’ their latest book.
“From Hong Kong and France, to Russia and Iran, citizens across the world took to the streets in 2019 to vent their frustrations and push for change. Much has been written on the long list of protests, but why did they take place? What was behind the mobilization of millions of demonstrators? While the specific drivers vary and each protest movement exhibits its own nuances, there are certain threads which can be traced throughout the year’s major protests. ”
https://theglobalobservatory.org/2019/12/a-year-of-protest/
https://masterinvestor.co.uk/economics/a-brief-history-of-economic-policy-triumphs/?mc_cid=12671e44e7&mc_eid=d873b22995
Master Investor: A brief history of economic policy triumphs
“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.”
– Milton
“…..nothing that the long-suffering British economy has endured since the 1970s can surely compare with the spectacular government response this year to coronavirus. Christopher Snowdon of the Institute for Economic Affairs:
“When future historians look back on 21st-century mortality statistics, they will struggle to find anything out of the ordinary in Britain in 2020. When they look at the economic data they could be forgiven for thinking we were hit by an asteroid.
“The Office for Budget Responsibility predicts a fall in GDP of around 12 per cent in 2020, the equivalent of having the 2008-09 recession twice in one year. The second quarter saw GDP fall by 20.4 per cent, breaking the record set during the Great Frost of 1709.. The full impact on unemployment won’t be known before the furlough scheme ends, but the OBR expects it to treble to over four million, the highest number since the 1930s.
“The furlough scheme cost £35 billion and is one of many reasons why the public finances are in such a wretched state. In July, total government debt passed the £2 trillion mark for the first time. The national debt has doubled since ‘austerity’ began in 2010 and now amounts to 104 per cent of GDP, a level not seen since the immediate aftermath of the second world war…..”
….Prime Minister Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has evidently styled himself, in part, on his wartime hero, Sir Winston Churchill. We can now, at least, say that
Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many, due to so few.
Far from being the economic solution, Big Government is the anti-Midas; everything it ends up touching turns to ash.”
Unemployment never reached four million in the 1930s. At its highest (1932) it was three and a half million.
Far smaller population then.
One take is that money is being replaced by state credits for ‘productivity’ or debited for any lack of compliance. Meanwhile, why not spend 100 billion on a moonshine scheme?
Another take is that globalism was falsely set up to drive an inevitable destruction and that plundering the destructive collapse is the inevitable collapse of a corruption upon itself.
The Economy has long been rigged.
There is a mainstream thinking that is denied insider knowledge and called a conspiracy theorist to point to the corruption.
The global covid coup is a direct expression of such background or shadow power coming out in the open.
All institutions and regulators have been effectively captured.
Never in the field of human cockups was so much owed by so many, due to so few.
or
Never in the field of human cockups was so much ruined for so many, by so few.
It seems we have three big questions today
Should we use the word bedwetters?
Who is Linda Smith?
Is the PCR test meaningless?
my answers, for all they’re worth would be;
no
no idea
yes
My answers:
No
A better health secretary than Hancock – because she can type
No, it can have any meaning you choose to give it
I would never use bedwetters myself, others can make their own choice. Similarly I never say ‘face nappy’, just mask.
I sometimes say “magic cloth”.
Don’t care
Don’t know
Absolutely Yes
JP Sears
If Pandemic Thinking was aplied to everything – 3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkxWTsBINI
Interesting that so much discussion about “bedwetters” is going on.
I do not like a lot of phrases we use. Cow, sheep, pigs. Yes, they often describe 1 characteristic of that animal, but they are much more than that.
As one commenter said, people have different backgrounds/experiences why they might go along with restrictions, how they formed their opinions. Granted, most have not formed an opinion, and that is very sad.
Church was a bit depressing today as a young man offered me a mask, not that I could hear what he was saying through his! I declined.My fellow none mask wearer was in hospital with the chronic illnesses she suffers from.Then the vicar announced we must not sing as we could spread disease ridden droplets. ( thought the asks were supposed to prevent those) I ignored her and sung quietly. The two permitted singers were both masked today. Then they had a socially distanced presentation.
Still, it was good to get out and see people and the hymns were favourites.
Sorry to hear this. I have only been to church once since March. At the service in March I walked out before the ‘peace’ in protest at the idiotic and worthless elbow-bumping.
The only time I have been since I did not take communion as I will only take communion in both kinds, not just one. The attitude of the Church of England, and indeed ALL denominations in response to this crisis has been, to put it very mildly, pathetic.
I despair, I really do.
I’m out too, after being pilloried by the rector for not wearing a mask, and revolted by the faceless ghouls, the endless don’ts, the humiliation of the police-tape-ridden building.
Said and sang Matins all alone instead, outside under a sunny sky. Infinitely more godly. Walked home along the beach, greeting and being greeted by smiling, friendly faces belonging to dog walkers, joggers, fishermen, etc.
Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est.
hey Ann i would like to apologise for being horrible about religion to you. I really should do better. Still, none of us are perfect. I don’t really hate religious people.
I don’t hate non-religious ones either, Pax?
Our monthly service this morning, 12 of us there socially distanced with around the same number on simultaneous Zoom. Did discuss my exemption halyard with our minister and he understood. I said he was welcome to visit me at home but must not wear a mask, when he hesitated a bit. It was supposed to be harvest festival where we normally bring various produce to take to the food bank but word hadn’t got back so it was a bit limited. Not a single harvest hymn… and the three we did have of course we were not allowed to sing. OK as far as it went but not what services should be. Having our first communion service next month, not sure how that will work out with the restrictions. The church really needs to speak out, it is depressing having to do it like this.
Not all denominations – in my church we sing as normal, masks are voluntary, we had The Lord’s Table this morning. There’s some social distancing, but no one is obsessive about it. It’s in London (Walthamstow), evangelical reformed church, (KJV). I’d like to invite anyone who’s interested, but I’m not sure how to do it on a public board. I wouldn’t like to see any Covid Marshals at our next meeting…
Thanks for this Alice. I have just tried Googling you church, but need a little more info please. Would you mind posting the address or postcode? Thanks.
I have just seen your last sentence – probably best not to answer my previous post.
Can anyone suggest how I can invite people to my church safely? There must be a way!
See my reply to Alice above about the private messaging system.
I think it would be good if this is used more for this precise purpose, of building resistance communities in the real world.
If you make a post in the forums here (you’d have to be logged in to do it), then anyone who wants to know where it is can send you a private message, if they also log in. It’s not perfect because this comment system doesn’t prevent duplicate display names, but it’s a lot better than just leaving info openly displayed on the comments section.
Thank you – I’m just trying to figure out how to do it (dinosaur, I know). I clicked on “find a member”, entered the name Ozzie, what next? Do I enter subject and message text (church website address), and then click “submit”? Is that it?
Just tried sending you a test message.
You click on the little envelope next to your name if you are logged in to the forums. Then do “compose message” and type the recipient name in the “Add recipient” box then click “Add” just below, which shifts the name to the recipient list just below and to the left. Fill in the subject line and message text and then click submit. I think it will stay in your outbox until the recipient logs in.
Thank you, most weeks the services are still enjoyable apart from the masks and lack of cups of tea. Today, though, the vicar seemed to mention covid more often than God. The church should be fighting for our freedoms.
I don’t get why you’d go in the building. Next week turn up and stand outside, sing at the top of your lungs “all things bright and beautiful” Call the vicar a coward and tell him even Jesus hates you. Give your own sermon to the people who stand with you and tell others who go in they are a threat to humanity for their compliance and are no better than a camp guard claiming he had to kill jews because he was ordered to do it.
Dedicate your service to our lord and saviour Anders Tegnell, he saved Sweden’s economy, he can save yours too if you’ll let him in to your heart.
Yet the sheeple are still brainwashed and compliant.
A report from America’s western front: on the power of public performances by key politicians.
Trump’s rapid recovery fro C19 and continued defiance of the Brooklyn media mavens and politicos seems to have had a profound impact in this area of political centrism in So Cal. My wife and I take the dogs out for a walk at a local large public park every few weekends. It has been a about 3 weeks since our last outing. Then, about 40-50% of folks were masked as they walked or ran through the park, almost all of the older people were masked. Yesterday, I would say about 5% were masked, and very few older people. What’s more, while the county remains in the second worst tier of Citizen Newsom’s color coded societal control scheme, the play areas for children and covered seating areas (which had been covered in plastic “caution” tape and closed before) are now open. Unmasked children happily playing again on the climbing equipment again.
I attribute this sudden shift to Trump’s very public recovery and open defiance, but no less to the way life has leapt to the old normal in places like Florida and Georgia, while true C19 illnesses and deaths continue to plummet in those areas. If these patterns hold to the end of October, I expect a dramatic shift in public opinion away from the prophets of doom.
I don’t see why the same thing wouldn’t happen in the UK if a prominent politician or politicians declared an end to the panic driven nonsense in a very public and symbolic way. Or perhaps an open call for a vote of no confidence on the Johnson regime? People want clear and well-informed leadership, not mealy-mouthed timid little rabbits (e.g., Hancock and Johnson) deference to “the science” and the (largely bought and owned) prophets of doom.
Thanks for this encouraging news. I think that when there is a major shift in one of the western “democracies” approach to COVID, others will follow – they seem to be copying each others’ response. Most large countries will not want to be left behind on getting economies back to normal. Group think works both ways.
As we said yesterday, USA and Germany are the best bets.
I’ve been hoping for a vote of no confidence. Maybe they’re waiting for the right moment. Surely it can’t be long now?
Tigress expects Bozo will be gone by the end of the year.
Who do you propose as a replacement?
I’n sure you’re right, but we don’t have politicians in the UK, we have self-serving bullying Fascists.
I think the army
Knocking on your door
To stick a swab up your nose
Is pretty barmy.
I don’t like it up me,
Even when it’s free.
It’s the definition of pulling the ladder up behind you. These people have made their fortune in creating the very problems they now seek to redress, and expect us to pay for it. Psychosis of the highest order
Yes .. criminal psychopaths
Here’s a Remembrance-themed poster promoting gbdeclaration.org.
Not just RIP British Liberty either, EVERY country needs its citizens to support Great Barrington and tolerate nothing else.
Public Barrington signatories now well over 300,000.
I suppose we have to discount the medical folk, if the Grauniad thinks they all practise homeopathy.
Nothing wrong with Homeopathy. I’ve been using rescue remedy for years and i’m still going so it must work
Could it be that the ailments you’ve rescued yourself from were not as serious as you feared?
I think Biker means rum and whiskey toddy’s.
Or enough blow to take you to the moon and back
Thanks for the translation. I got it wrong too!
No i’m serious about the Rescue Remedy. I’m a big fan of plants and mushrooms and their healing qualities. I don’t drink whisky and was never a user of hard drugs. I make my own homeopathic remedies. I collect different plants (with the mrs) and infuse them on the morning of the Summer Solstice and then make tinctures out of them. I am i’m afraid an old Hippy. Just one who likes riding bikes, fucking and fighting. I treat my body like a temple albeit it a temple that runs on smoke but nonetheless i am like some old frontier man who could knock you up a house and grow you vegetables and look after your animals. I actually mean it when i say there should be no government at all and we should all be left alone to live our lives how we see fit. I resent the modern world immensely. The only compensation for me is the engine. I love engines.
I’ve had excellent results when I’ve used homeopathy for sciatica, bruises, mozquito bites and regrowing bone.
I always carry arnica in my handbag.
As they say in Essex, ‘That can’t do no harm, if it don’t do no good.’
The right homoeopathic remedy can do a lot of good. The wrong on will just have no effect. Simple.
Any time i cut or burn myself i spray Rescue Remedy on it and it works a treat. For a burn i’ll rub vitamin e on it. I tend to stay away from people who claim to be doctors. I’d rather take some shrooms and have a consultation with the ancestors and find a remedy that way. The plants can tell you what you need if only you can hear them.
And that’s how the Bach Flower Remedies came about – though Dr Bach didn’t confess to being aided by shrooms.
Grauniad used to support homeopathy if I rememebr rightly, back when it was the sort of nonsense that “the left” supposedly liked. Now when “the left” is pro-lockdown they decide homeopathy is crap and use it to attack the anti-lockdown side, simply by association.
I say “the left” because that is how those sort of people think of themselves, but plenty of true left wingers don’t fall for the lockdown lies.
Email daughter got from her college today:
When she told us that she’d got an email, first thought was “college going to shut again”, but no, she got this.
This seems very sensible and balanced given some of the nonsense in other educational settings.
Absolutely! Somebody making sensible decisions.
I’ve had the flu twice in my life. Both times I was in bed for a week could barely eat or get up and felt like death. I didn’t get a diagnostic test, I didn’t spend a night in hospital, didn’t get recorded in any data and and after a week I went back to my normal life. All my family carried on with their lives while I was sick too. If I’d been very old or suffering from another serious illness who knows. But then that’s life isn’t it? Or at least what life used to be when people acted like grown ups.
SNAP!!!!!!!!!
Ditto
Plus 70% of the population.
A year ago all the talk was of Brexit – you know ‘taking back control’ and so on. It all seemed important. I was for Brexit.
How irrelevant all that seems now.
CV virus exists on banknotes, phone screens and Steel for 28 days.
SURELY, THIS MEANS THAT PROBABLY 95% OF PEOPLE HAVE PICKED UP THE VIRUS and probably 95% of those have had no ill effects.
From: The mail on line. The first part, that is.
If anyone is too scared to touch their cash they could send it to me, i’ll take the risk
Or give their card to me and I’ll draw their cash and swap it for a couple of magic beans
If this carries on much longer, beans will be worth more than all the cash in the country.
If the government told them to hand over their cash to defeat the virus, they are that thick, they would.
I don’t know much about Gandhi except he was a racist communist but didn’t he say, “fuck this for a game of Soldiers i’m not gonna do it anymore”. Wise words. Live like you mean it. Time is short and we’ve had seven months of this shit and i, like Gandhi, have had enough.
My Gujarati is a bit rusty, but I consider that a fair enough translation.
A bit of wet and dry should clear up that Gujarati nicely
I (used to!) attend a great festival every year with a large group of friends. The “chat” we have was busy yesterday. These were some of the take away comments:
Er – how is that all good?
Hmm. OK then.
Cognitive dissonance?
Lovely. Hidden disability maybe?
If the shoe fits?
Ain’t that the truth – just do it though?
Dubai again – no idea why anyone would want to live there. Not least because:
They’re a pretty mixed bunch – probably between 40 and 70. But it seems 90% of them are following the narrative. Guess that’s pretty representative of society.
When it eventually comes out – and it will – what a gross over-reaction this all was, everybody will claim to have seen throught it at the time.
People with the attitude of that bed-wetter (he sounds a nasty case so lets use the nasty term for him) damage the mental health of their supposed friends too. I’ve seen young people driven to despair when in asking their friends for help all they get back is virtue signalling crap about “must stay inside”.
Keep the term bedwetters. Only a bedwetter would want you to retire it.
Here, here, and I would add: only a bedwetter desperate to be seen as morally superior to the common herd.
Yes lets make a self righteous pricks of ourselves!
Perhaps you are very young. Have you any sense of how polarised identity serves the manipulative agenda you presume to hate?
Address the issues. Don’t attack the persons – or you reveal yourself as lacking substance.
However. I support you freedom to make your own choices and learn from your own experience, but I also embody the right to offer a critical reflection.
Otherwise known as ‘play the ball not the man’
Is the GB Declaration page down for anyone else? Getting a 500 Internal Server error message. I hope it’s just a case of high demand overwhelming the servers!
Never mind – it’s back! Around 350k signatories in total now.
https://gbdeclaration.org/
Prof Karol Sikora tweeted this
“Throwing around all of these extra restrictions is utterly pointless if people aren’t self-isolating when they have symptoms. A study found only 1/5th are doing so. There’s the problem. This is an issue we need to solve and urgently. It’s not spoken about nearly enough”.
He got this response
Rebecca Chandler
“Recommendation number 1 in Sweden (repeated at every press conference): “Stay home even if you feel only a little sick.” And politicians quickly changed rules for sick leave from work: you are compensated from the first day you are home. This is how you get people to do this.”
Further comment
“Again, this goes to Targeted Resources and evidence based practices! Governments could be helping companies that need it to pay workers to self-isolate. Instead they’re wasting it on things like plexiglass dividers for an airborne virus! Anyone else find this absurd???”
Could it be so easy instead of the umpteenth SD plan for the North?
Sikora is a gentleman, but he’s a bit of a fence sitter. I don’t agree with him about this.
Where I live they are telling people to get tested who have symptoms. Which means going out into the community.
In Japan or South Korea they stopped mass testing during the first SARs outbreak because they found people were getting infected queuing for tests. Not sure how they confirmed this but was funny to read.
‘When I use a word’, Humpty Dumpty said, ‘it means … ‘
Also Devi Sridhar?
It is necessarily the case that if non-pharmaceutical interventions (lockdowns/masks/social distancing etc) reduce the r0 rate of COVID-19, then they must also do so for all other infectious diseases. How have lockdowns around the world affected hospitalisations for influenza, pneumonia etc. Unless the statistics confirm a correlation then the case against lockdowns et al is proven.
Some on here have suspected that current measures will be here to stay in order to help wipe out flu:
The southern hemisphere skipped flu season in 2020
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/09/12/the-southern-hemisphere-skipped-flu-season-in-2020
or
Southern hemisphere has record low flu cases amid Covid lockdowns
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/17/falling-flu-rates-in-southern-hemisphere-offers-hope-as-winter-approaches-coronavirus
Covid cures the flu. Getting rid of a virus that’s bad news for everyone to replace it with a virus that’s virtually of no risk to anyone. That’s great. Why would you want to expunge Covid from the world when it is so benefiting of mankind ?
Initial Social distancing and hand washing statistics proved they are effective at infection reduction to bring the R under 1. Anything subsequently introduced post May has increased infections in the U.K. including Masks. That’s statistically possible to verify. Lockdowns, according to Prof Whitty did not bring the U.K. R number below 1.
Well it was mostly herd immunity that brought R to 1. But the handwashing and behaviour changes probably lowered the threshold a bit.
They do have an effect but rather a temporary one.
https://syndromictrends.com/metric/panel/rp/percent_positivity/organism/main
These are other viruses (SARS2 isn’t on there) and in the USA (but they have a nice graph). It’s not too hard to see the lockdown.
Ironically in many places it had more effect on other viruses than it actually did on SARS2 because it was usually too late. We don’t normally see this clear signal of lockdown in actual SARS2 data.
Good demo of how to deal with covid Stasi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df9fBjaRu8E&fbclid=IwAR15krkJR5dujU-8LSlbRyNHLkzLca_zRRPFdTNq8xYBUImYGZB4S_2mJNE
Forget long covid. Here’s the latest side effect/symptom
MP who travelled from London to Glasgow won’t quit as Covid made her act ‘out of character’
!!!
Love that answer – Long Covid – gives you scope to act out of character for a few months!
Brilliant. Out of character. Should she not be nicked and fined £10,000k ?
If she has a half competent lawyer she can get off the fine by highlighting the unreliability of the PCR test…
I act out of character a lot that i’m beginning to wonder if i’m unstable and everyone i know is just too polite to mention it.
Is this since March?
I don’t believe so.
Since birth?
What is going on with those polls?
No doubt many on here are well aware of ‘The Negativity Bias’
‘Stories of war, corruption, scandal, murder, famine, and natural disasters don’t just dominate the news, they influence our national psyche, as well as our politics. This gloomy and commercially driven image gives us a significantly skewed perception of the world we live in.
To test your own beliefs, answer the question: in the last twenty years, has global poverty doubled, remained the same, or fallen by half. The answer is that it has fallen by half. If you got this correct, you would be amongst only 7 per cent of the thousands of people who took this survey, who optimistically said the same. The remaining 93 per cent believed it had either remained the same or doubled.’
https://thriveglobal.com/stories/the-negativity-bias-is-real/
Together with ‘Big State’ Democratic Socialist Britain, ‘The Negativity Bias’ goes a long way to explaining why so many have bought into the state broadcaster’s narrative.
The state broadcaster has been using ‘Soap Opera’ as a useful method of propaganda for some years:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/358906/Report_How_Soap_Operas_Bring_About_Change_3March2009.pdf
That might indicate why the ‘Save Our NHS’ soap opera proved so effective.
By harnessing soap opera to ‘The Negativity Bias’ the state broadcaster has captured the PR narrative and will not let go.
This suits the government’s purpose, obscuring the Brexit story that would otherwise have dominated, not to the government’s advantage.
The news management of ‘the covid’ has been masterly.
Helps to cement the propaganda. Herd non-immunity.
Herd immunity works for viruses, the trouble is that propaganda thrives on herd credulity
I have explained to people on here but will do again regarding polls. It’s this simple there are millions still on furlough getting 80% pay and there are over 5 million public sector workers in Britain and a high percentage are on a hundred percent pay . So we have millions of people not working ,getting paid ,access to a computer and too much time on their hands .Now here’s a simple question ? The government has given you a seven month holiday with pay ,do you want it to continue or not ?. If you do keep voting in the polls .
First day of an NLP training course- was dreading the scenario, masks, distancing, but all wonderfully normal although there are only 5 of us, others cancelled. A model of confidence versus competence came up with the instructor using the example of peoples response to Covid. To cut it short one of my comments must have revealed my position as a sceptic, so I was asked to expand on my thoughts on the matter which I did, briefly, though I could feel a tangible stiffness in the air from the others, though the trainer seemed to be more sceptical. Anyway referred them to this website, though couldn’t help feeling like they considered I was one of those conspiracy theorists. No negativity from them, just maybe me.
Phew, I was worried about you going to that, sounded like a potential PPE horror show.
Hopefully it will give her friends some perspective.
‘Nuff said.
In a similar vein, I took a survey for Scotrail yesterday which stated that the chances of contracting Covid on a normal, non socially distanced, mask free train journey was 1 in 11,000.
I’d be more worried about DVT than anything else, well apart from the obvious plane crash scenario!
Temperature checks at airports are theatre.
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.5.2000080
In 2011 there was to be a day of non compliance against airport scanners in the US. Those travelling would just refuse to use them. They’d got significant support and so as the day arrived the airport authorities decided just to turn them off for the day and just waved travellers through.
Total theatre.
The fact that we still have this stuff nearly 20 years after 9/11 shows most “emergency” measures tend to last.
There was a good post on reddit comparing 9/11 with Covid.
If you are killed in a plane crash do you get classed as a COVID death.
Amazing what money and advertising can do.
So flying in a plane full of strangers, that’s all ok. But 7 friends getting together, that’s just plain irresponsible.
This shit just gets madder and madder.
Some good points here:
https://notpublicaddress.wordpress.com/2020/10/10/what-debate/
They only want to debate the tyrannical measures taken against the non existent threat.
Sounds like this lot started there.
Perhaps.. very interesting that Boris did not attend
https://www.covid19assembly.org/post/actual-cases-vs-example-scenario
Latest update on the laughable doom graph. did anyone notice that there are three or four extra days to the right? If the 15th of September is where they say it is (half way between two days!) then the final day on the graph is the 16th or 17th of October not the 13th as they say.
This graph gave them the impetus to bring in new restrictions affecting millions. I know the data is just made up but they didn’t even take the time to check it was laid out accurately. Or this is gaslighting…
I preferred Davos when he was making Daleks
Is this a new petition?
Needs more signatures!
End lockdown to prevent further economic damage to the UK’s economy.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/315979?fbclid=IwAR3pQR3bkJBXKZ8HesRa75H3s_CiZ9dtOacCsNumxLVT6u3PlIEbztoj-lk
Don’t sign that! The WHOLE POINT of OPERATION COVID is to entertain the herd so that it can’t see what the Owners of the MONETARY SYSTEM are doing!
I wholeheartedly agree with the gentleman proposing the end of the use of the term ‘bedwetter’. I dislike the term immensely and it does not serve your cause well using it. At its heart, it shows a lack of respect, understanding and kindness for those you are describing.
I agree. It’s not NEARLY strong enough.
fuck em though
Another boring bedwetting prude. Unbelievable, people!
the term coronaphobic meets the case well… a person with an irrational or unjustified fear of coronavirus. One hopes that the coronaphobics will come to be equally despised with the homophobics and zenophobics….there is a certain sweet symmetry in that thought!
Loss of face. Women HATE it! And most people south of Dover.
Link to the original document:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/923668/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_40.pdf
Thank you leggy. And for the record we should use any terms we want on these forums, lets not self censor ourselves with the PC bullshit.
I agree – below the line.
However, it’s no good sending waverers to the site to find information that contradicts the nonsense they’ve been fed by the MSM, if Toby’s going to insult them before they even start.
It’s basic marketing and common sense.
Personally, I think bedwetters is puerile but free speech should definitely rule down here.
Think that’s fast becoming the minority view, pmdl. The bedwetters seem to have the run of the place!
Can’t say i’ve noticed, even Bono let’s it go.
I’ve been getting red-pencil’d all day for having the gall to think banishing words is bollocks
Tell ’em to fuck off they love it
A fair point perhaps, but if you use insult here sometimes it will be taken personally. “Caveat emptor.” (I speak from experience – both ways).
… and link to the page where you can find the Covid figures for the following week: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports. Why would you find it worrisome that the flu and Covid figures are published in the same web page? It’s not as if the figures themselves are being added together …
Because I’m worried that the two will be conflated by the media, obviously.
Of course the only thing on the planet that makes humans cough now is Covid.I had a small coughing fit in the DIY section of a big store due to it being really dusty and a young lad stacking the shelves stopped what he was doing and couldn’t get away quick enough.
I was glared at for sneezing in Farmfoods too.
Hitchens added a bit to his blog after the original was published in the Mail:
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
Asking a question we all want an answer to
BEDWETTERS.
End of.
Is the Covid-1984 web app down for anyone else?
Seems to be
I think they’ve zapped the web one.
I have been looking at this site pretty much since day one, Toby you deserve a knighthood, Sunday night is family around and some dad dancing while cooking….. just on Spotify a bit of bee gees, how deep is your love…..,we’re living in a world of fools…..when they should let us be!!! Never more apt than now !!!!
John, your family Sunday sounds lovely. Hope there’s more than 6 of you!
No vax, no Spotify.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9eudlx20408rjr5/SPAIN%20-%20Second%20Wave%20Monitoring-9Oct2020.pdf?dl=0
UK is supposed to be 3-4 weeks behind Spain in the second wave. Reposting the up to date Spanish report 9th Oct(in English).Extremely useful slides to see how the second wave is going down.
Lockdown as absurd political theatre. The local gov.Madrid (right) imposed a local mini lockdown in certain districts with the highest counts of cases(mostly poor) but the R factor was already under 1 at that time. The national government after some legal battles finally instituted a total lockdown of the whole of Madrid when the R was further dipping.
Page 42 Compare the deaths per million first and the second wave. The second wave 6 times less deadly.
Page 60 Shows hospital admissions but also the enormous discharges
Page 61 62 death by age and cases by age first and second wave. Enormous amount of cases in the younger age groups in the second wave, mass testing of younger persons
Page 63 64 Dramatic decline in CFR over 60 years .Those 80 and over almost halved.
Page 65 Case fatality rate in the second wave compared to flu and per age.
“second wave” of what?!
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-uk-cases-dip-slightly-150100871.html
Appalling journalism. Headline says cases dip slightly and article mentions how many “cases” and deaths today but doesn’t mention how many “cases” there were yesterday because it doesn’t want us to see how big the dip has been.
Sorry, “yesterday” should read “today” and vice versa. It’s been a tiring day!
listening to: https://www.alternatecurrentradio.com/ right now. Live.
With Partick Hendricsen (UK Column)
Thanks, good show so far .
Added to my bookmarks.
You are slow to catch on. But better late than never.
“The media focused almost entirely on the lunatic fringe of anti-vaxxers and 5G conspiracy theorists”
People who wear a mask under current conditions may have various reasons to choose to do so, but those who propagate such statements the above are the mainstream media’s puppets, and an extension of the system they say that they resist.
Mandatory or highly pressured vax contravenes our most basis rights over our body and that of our children. Regardless what people may choose to do, it constitutes medical experimentation on living human beings.
fyve gee wiz cant even be written without being erased when I wrote it shorthand evan as I was writing. How can one not surmise dark intentions?
I feel for you. I sometimes suddenly felt light headed and nauseous at work, until I figured out I had just filled up the sanitizer spray bottle. Lasted up to 20 minutes.
People are so paranoid. I once had a customer who wiped down the table and armrests on the chair with her antiBACTERIAL wipes after she watched me clean everything with sanitizer spray. After I had explained to her that we leave the spray on for 5 minutes according to manufacturers instructions.
https://www.abc12.com/app/2020/10/02/health-department-investigating-after-high-number-of-strep-throat-cases-at-shepherd-schools/?fbclid=IwAR2ECNvuIrMVGX_1adk_btUieta6sUPfCTu532-2UC2inKv6m9Hmb8Ey3W4
Masks in schools,Michigan,Strepthroat outbreak.Surprised?
The Central Michigan District Health Department is investigating after more than a dozen cases of strep throat were reported within Shepherd Public Schools despite COVID-19 protocols
“McMillan said they are not sure how strep throat is going around. He said the schools have been taking a ton of precautions for COVID-19 but he points out that not washing masks enough could be helping to spread the bacteria and that putting masks on different surfaces could spread it, too.”
Quelle surprise!?
Not washing them is the new excuse is it?
Of course… POOR HYGIENE HABITS!
now they must update the slogan to:
“Social distancing, Respiratory Hygiene/Cough Etiquette, Wash your hands and Muzzle”!
Combine inhaling your own exhaust gases with open doors and windows that cause tonnes of draft, wonderful in this cool season… And that’s just the start of the FUN!
Now we’ve to teach moron slaves to wash the muzzles properly?!
When will this end?!
Michigan is having a GOOD YEAR!
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services announced the case last week.
22 horses located across ten counties have been confirmed to have EEE, a number that is allegedly twice that of the previous year.
The state is now engaging in aerial spraying to reduce the number of mosquitoes.
I guess they can release some GM Mosquitoes to help!
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1315327186711326722
EXCL: Livepool City Region headed for TIER 3 lockdown.
Measures expected to include:
– pubs, gyms, casinos, bookies CLOSED
– restaurants OPEN
– could last 6 MONTHS, but with monthly reviews
Understand local leaders have agreed this in principle but await PM’s official sign-off.
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An utter failure of the state. Feel powerless to stop it, despite trying.
6 months. That’s insane.
Psychopathic! MW
Not even a pretence of a ‘circuit breaker’ then. I cannot see how we won’t all be in the same boat by Christmas.
6 months reviewed each month. And at the end of six months if more is said to be required? More will be forced in. Six months is in fact a meaningless statement by them, a diversionary statement. Drawing attention away from the fact they will continue until it suits them to stop.
Lockdown II via regional creep.
This is looking more and more dystopian…
I knew the normality of the gym was too good to last.
Well yous were offered the privilege of state approved exercise but yous clearly took it for granted. Have 6 months of isolation serf.
Don’t know if posted before, but inproportion2 has made this web app available…
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/dashboard/
Thanks. Sorry for being dumb, what does the MA stand for say after ‘positive tests % MA’
Thanks
https://twitter.com/arian290360/status/1315200483762397184
“Covid Dance Bizzare This is a Prom dance in the age of COVID Society has entered self-destruction mode.”
This short video must be staged, if not, this is utter insanity
That’s mental. WOW. It’s got to be staged but it probably isn’t.
And we thought the clapping seals were weird!
Amusing idea on MSM C4 that ‘deals’ are being done to keep ‘Oop North’ onside.
I don’t think that one does deals with the ‘Deadly Virus’.
Lol
Probably cash bungs as a compliance reward.
Held up as a success by spineless politicians. They could lose their seat without a bailout. They could just say no however if it really is all about local control
That’s what I fear.
Sunak threatens with miserly compensation, local leaders threaten to rebel. Sunak ups the deal to a slightly less miserly pittance for those out of work – or for more covid Stasi? – and the local leaders agree to any old bollox.
The problem is politicians integrity is for sale so they assume everyone else’s is too. Surely some politicians, medical experts etc have children and a stake in the future? Or do they really believe it won’t affect them?
The rich are completely divorced from the reality of the normal.
Yes, it will be money – every household will get £1000 – not! It will be money for local councils to fritter away on vanity schemes.
Here’s a brilliant response from a ratepayer about one such scheme:
Because I happily remain reasonably fit and active even at my now octogenarian years, I don’t find crossing Huddersfield town centre between the locations listed to be an issue and certainly not a £1.88 million expenditure issue.
One can therefore but surmise that our august elected representatives have yet again either misguidedly lost the plot, or are operating from some covert agenda to which us mere mortals are not to be privy!
I will concede, however, that there are some who may not find their perambulations through the town to be quite as easy as I do, but, again, does facilitating that minority justify the expenditure of £1.88 million for them to visit a town that has little to attract them to be there in the first place?
Indeed, it is just that which do find to be the issue. What is there to attract most folk to visit the town centre in the first place, other than for those very infrequent visits that must be made out of unavoidable necessity rather than a personal choice. The reality is Huddersfield town centre is a depressing place to be and that has been exacerbated by the current pandemic conditions which have effected ever more shuttered facades to be added to the hideous 1960s planning blights which ripped the heart out of the town which was already in a state of decline.
That was a decline which was even further exacerbated by the disastrous 1970s local authorities reorganisations which destroyed the proud identities of each of the towns which were sucked into the deplorably costly exercise of creating the rootless Kirklees metropolitan district out of which the main beneficiaries at that time were council officers many of whom were effectively re-employed at greatly inflated remuneration packages, mostly at the expense of disposing of on-the-ground workers, the very ones who actually delivered our services.
Whether or not spending £1.88 million on widening footpaths and painting a few white lines for cyclists who will probably not be attracted to ride through the town anyway, remains to be seen, but add to that the as yet clearly undisclosed actual cost of a museum to rugby in the defunct George Hotel, one surely must question the mental stability of the decision makers who are totally comfortable with extracting £2000 per annum or more from households mainly to have their waste bins emptied.
What we need are more cycle lanes,Covid Marshall’s and Covis signage … sarc
Anybody else in the North West think that we will get royally fucked over again, by twats in ‘That London’ that don’t know who or even where we are?
Anybody else completely unsurprised?
Fuck you, Bunter.
If Lockdown II is accepted just as much as the first, we are finished. I’m not sure there will ever be a “tipping point”, to use a popular phrase, of our own, the majority are lost.
Consider Lockdown II a done deal…
Oh well. Masks on folks. Let’s all go hide uder our beds now shall we.
STOP IT Voz!
You are clearly still not aware how the vast majority of the herd reacts!
Calling people bed wetters or sheep is childish and counter productive as we need the mass of the people to come over to our side and they won’t if we insult them . All i care about is that we win and anyone with an ounce of vision can see it’s tactically a wrong move .
A lovely commenter left LS sometime ago bevause of the term. I agree Wat.
So what would you call them?
Gullible, unable of independent thinking, scared, comfortable, compliant, weak, tv addicts, MSM fanatics, truth deniers, blinkered, downtrodden, unquestioning?
Pre-sceptics
Civilians who could become comrades . Calling the general population names will only keep us in the ghetto. As i said above it’s about tactics and winning the general public around to our point of view . Looking at what’s happening in terms of a war and winning it ,is all that matters .
Terminally Terrified.
NO it’s NOT! That type of behaviour is what brought us ALL to this wonderful mess.
What brought us to the mess we are in is weak and cowardly leadership and a belief that social media is the voice of the people . What will save us is ourselves and the awakening of our view amongst the population .If you want to carry on calling people names then crack on but I don’t want to live in a self righteous ghetto i just want us to win the struggle.
That’s a lovely dream…
But if you look around what do you see?
I think this sort of stuff is not helpful to the cause (from The Telegraph live feed):
Piers Corbyn has again addressed crowds at an anti-mask, anti-vaccination, anti-5G protest.
The brother of the former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn appeared on the steps of the Welsh Parliament in Cardiff on Sunday wielding a microphone in front of a poster proclaiming: “End all Covid Vax” and “Take down 5G”.
It makes sceptics out to be conspiracy theory nutters.
The only reason it’s not “helpful” to the cause it’s because the HERD is utterly IGNORANT!
Our knowledge of the effects of EMR is NOT NEW… But since the herd of morons prefer to drink alcohol and eat “fish and chips” and watch soccer and engage on some other distractions in order to forget our slave condition, well, of course they will “think” that “1G” to “5G” it’s all perfectly SAFE!
A nice and fun small read!
I bet 99,9% never read the caution alert about not touching their smartphones!
morons prefer to drink alcohol and eat “fish and chips” and watch soccer and engage on some other distractions
Wow, you sound SO superior to mere ordinary mortals!
Off to do my nightly covid taste test now. Red wine works best.
Typical moron slave reaction…
I was there today – it was a decent rally and a good day – it certainly did not have a ‘conspiracy’ vibe.
Glad to hear it went well. I’ve found very little coverage of the event and those of yesterday.
Not just that. It just plays into the hands of the establishment. It isn’t the main thing to focus on at the moment and it seriously dilutes the message and gives ammo to the press for ridicule. The press always report on the 5G, anti-vax and anti-mask people. Mockdown never gets a look in!
Don’t worry!—I don’t give a sh*t either!
Doing some weeding in my garden this afternoon I was aware of the sound of an electric lawn mower next door. My neighbours had their friends visiting who had brought them this new mower on account of the lady of the house having to take over from her husband because ill health has rendered him incapable of carrying out this task.
I get on well with my neighbours, but they are brainwashed by Covid porn which at times has tested my patience when I’ve been helping them with one thing or another. I leaned over the fence and quipped ‘I see you’re vacuuming the garden?’ as a humorous intro to their gathering. I don’t like to pry or interrupt but I don’t like to ignore either so I just intended to have a few polite words.
This initiated a very warm response from ‘Jean’ my neighbours friend who edged closer to the fence and we began chatting. Not long into the conversation she must have thought that she needed to justify her visit when she said ‘I know we’re not supposed to be here on account of the lockdown but they needed this mower and we won’t be staying long’. My reply was along these lines: ‘Well, to be honest, I never watch TV news or read newspapers and never have done since this Covid business started. My wife and I just get on with our lives as normally as possible, in every sense, wherever we can, so I really wouldn’t know why you shouldn’t be here’. This elicited a big smile and a facial recognition of a kindred spirit and we continued our conversation in a climate of mutual sceptic understanding.
This may seem like a post over nothing, and indeed seven months ago, who in their right mind would have thought this little incident worth mentioning? But now we live in strange times and all of us who see the madness in this ‘virus’ business appreciate it when we come across people of a similar mind, even in mundane circumstances.
One recent occurrence that must have crystalised the sheer insanity, and downright unforgivable cruelty in recent days, was the masked funeral attendant separating grieving brothers from their mother. How despicable was that?
I’ve tried to live my life by seeing the best in everyone and there was a time when I attended Quaker meetings. But I have to say that when my mum died, not that long ago, If anyone from the funeral directors had tried to separate me from my loving family members they would have felt the full force of my foot right between their legs—-which might have made them think twice before acting in a similar vane with other people at their worst moments of grief.
Modern moron slaves are our first enemies… Their level of OBEDIENCE to the hierarchy turns them into savages, specially when they have just a tiny bit of POWER handed by the STATE!
Richard Littlejohn often repeats that if you give someone a little bit of power, they ALWAYS abuse it.
Yep… look no further than cops, or copigs like I enjoy calling those scoundrels!
Interesting – thank you. We have to be grateful for small things in these mad times.
I’m so glad you added that at the end about visiting violence upon someone threatening (and it WAS threatening) one’s family. I’m only surprised those gentlemen complied. Many wouldn’t have. That arrogant little jobsworth needs to meet one less compliant, and soon. I hope the CCTV catches the moment – and that it goes VIRAL.
According to the latest polling data, “88% of the population are still generally or strictly following the rules”
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but, barring a civil war crashing the party when all this is over, I believe the post-mortem will show that the WHO made a huge error of judgement by putting so many people at MODERATE to HIGH RISK for the virus. Rather than at a HIGHER risk.
Total: 35,290,500 incidences in the UK (I’ve added the figures at the bottom of this comment)
Taking into account that some people have more than one underlying health condition, it is still a significant percentage of the population who have been told they are at MODERATE to HIGH RISK of succumbing to the virus.
Amongst those at risk, it would take a very pragmatic person with a cavalier “live or die” attitude to life to willingly throw themselves into the path of the virus.
Could that be why 88% of the population are still so compliant?
Taking that one step further, isn’t it equally feasible that many of those responsible for imposing these draconian lockdown rules, also believe themselves to be at MODERATE to HIGH risk. And why not include many of those running the MSM and even some of the scientists themselves?
I know I’m either stating the obvious (definitely not an intriguing conspiracy theory) but it feels like it could be one of the reasons why those who have the power to undo/relax the rules aren’t doing so?
Figures:
12,000,000 (adults) – OBESE (BMI of 40+) (NHS.uk)
8,700,000 – 70+ YEARS OLD (ONS.gov.uk)
8,000,000 – ASTHMA (British Heart Foundation)
7,400,000 – CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE (British Heart Foundation)
3,900,000 – DIABETES (Diabetes.org.uk (2019))
3,000,000 – CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE (Kidney Care UK.org)
2,000,000 – CHRONIC LIVER DISEASE (NHS.uk)
1,800,000 – CANCER PATIENTS (Public Health.gov.uk)
1,000,000 – COPD (DIAGNOSED) (Nice.org)
800,000 – PREGNANT (ONS.gov.uk)
400,000 – RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS (Rheumatoid Arthritis Society)
145,000 – PARKINSONS DISEASE (Parkinsons UK)
130,000 – MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS (Multiple Sclerosis Society)
10,500 – CYSTIC FIBROSIS (Cystic Fibrosis.org.uk)
5,000 – MOTOR NEURONE DISEASE (Nice.org)
Total: 35,290,500
Even more, if you take into account the other less prevalent conditions I didn’t get the figures for.
Sobering figures but those same groups are surely vulnerable to other Corona viruses, flu etc. On the basis of those figures nearly 50% of the population should permanently shield from daily life.
It would be interesting to breakdown the figures to the over 70s who have other contributory factors.
P.s Psoriasis (which I suffer from) is also classed as immune deficiency disease
Almost everyone I’ve spoken to over the age of 50 thinks that yes, lockdown is a mistake, yes it’s going to end up killing more people than it saves, yes it’s going to wipe out the economy, but I’ve got X wrong with me (who doesn’t at that age) and if I get it I’m a goner.
I’d rather be a goner at 54 than that the entire human race kills itself from starvation or whatever because people are scared of a virus!!!!
The psychology behind all of this is mad. People think they are saving lives by locking down but they are in fact only looking to save their own and, in the process, condem others to death.
Tried to explain that to my (lefty, Guardian buying) brother today and was asked when did I start caring about other people
What does “generally” mean anyway? Huge range of possibilities in that word, including “I follow them when it suits me and isn’t inconvenient but the rest of the time I don’t bother.”
Why is it never mentioned that perhaps people are ”compliant” because they couldn’t afford the preposterous fines that we’re all threatened with?
The government said it would threaten and bully us into being afraid enough to obey.
You cannot sum those figures like that, there is substantial overlap between many of those categories. If you add up to get 35M you are double counting (infact triple, quadruple or worse) people.
To clarify, plenty of the diabetics and cardiovascular sufferers will be obese too. many will also be over 70… Other categories will also often overlap. With such big overlaps of categories, to actually sum these you’ll need a lot more data to start from. In a venn diagram the version of “summing” you wish to do would be the union of all the categories, probability theory contains some rules to help handle this.
P.S. 88% say they are complying, far less actually are. People answer the polls in a way which virture signals very often, rather than truth. Remember, 80% when asked say they’ll self-isolate, something like 15% did so. Too many people don’t realise that bad rules need to be defied by everybody, that saying “others should obey this but I shouldn’t” is a non-starter.
The Great Barrington Declaration website is down.
http://gbdeclaration.org/
‘Is it down?’ Checkers report it’s down for everyone.
It was down earlier though it did come back momentarily.
Hopefully it’s only because it’s being inundated – hopefully not by 77th Bananas.
That’s my hopeful thinking too. I can imahine the traffic going insane after WHO named it and say in favour of it. Someone pouring iced water on the servers as we speak perhaps.
I think Carl Vernon is very right to narrow his eyes and ask Why now? For the WHO to come out in favour.
Has the WHO realised the game is up now?
I siggested below looking at this as a bargaining process.
Punished with lockdowns for months people will be glad to ‘get away with’ masking and anti-social distancing,
This would make sense if the goal is to reduce social interaction to a minimum whilst minimising economic effects.
The distancing will probably stay. And hand washing.
And the ”distancing” was only ever supposed to be three feet.
(I don’t think I’ve ever got within three feet of a total stranger, and then coughed in their face.)
I tend to naturally keep a distance from strangers so I don’t get a noseful of their stinky laundry products.
I’ve no problem with hand washing.
Gel is a different matter though!
Distancing is the biggest problem for businesses (apart from mockdown, of course).
Andrew neil has the interview. For speed of search see carl vernon youtube channel he has a short movie about it.
I posted the neil clip in a tweet a couple of days back.
Thanks B. Seen the Carl Vernon clip, will hunt down Andrew Neil’s interview now :o))
Some grand snippets in that interview! Thanks
Denial of service attack organised by governments
Is there proof for this? I don’t doubt you. But as an archive of our times it would be good to see the actual proof on LS. Thanks.
Sort of eliminates rumour which is a good thing to do.
I agree with the the chappy who would have you drop the term “bedwetter”. For those that have this condition it must be very distressing to see it used as a term of abuse.
I favour ‘Covid-credulous’. It indicates weakness, but the possibility of redemption, and isn’t incompatible with compassion and empathy on behalf of the person using it.
That is perhaps actually quite a good one. Imagine you are a “bed wetter”, if someone calls you covid-credulous you’ll be mroe inclined to come round to their anti-lockdown side than if they call you a bed-wetter, a coronanist, a coronacoward… Although coronaphove perhaps fits this spot too.
I agree. I prefer ”Terminally Terrified”.
(Though I actually don’t wish for it to be terminal for them – I hope they live long enough to feel embarrassed.)
The daily express has a really nice graph in this article that is clearly intended to spread fear, however some quick calculations based on it are quite damning https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1346049/Boris-Johnson-speech-Monday-press-conference-second-lockdown-announcement-evg
Total tests = 24,640,915
Total positives= 575,679
% positive v tests = 2.3%
Total deaths = 42,679
% deaths v tests = 0.0017%
% deaths v population = 0.00063% (66.8 Million ONS)
Given the median age is 82 the majority of deaths were with co-morbidities what stats is it exactly that the government are using to justify further restrictions???
For each and every chemical reaction (aka PCR) one can have for the SAME SAMPLE a “positive” or a “negative” final reaction result…
… This is the beauty of using PCR as a “test”!
Of course that that matrix I’ve made early in the Fraud (around early May) is just like a wonderful Palace! The herd looks at it… and that’s it!
So… Just keep enjoying the CIRCUS!
PCR IS NOT A TEST AND WILL NEVER BE A TEST… morons.
The WHO declared on the 5th of October that the IFR for CUVID-19 is 0,1%… What happened?!
… … …
Exactly!
Great Barrington Declaration is down again. They’re really going for it, aren’t they? Can’t even get it through my VPN.
They are probably trying to DDOS the site so it won’t feature in Monday’s and next week’s news cycle
Either that or, as Basics says below, it might be inundated after the WHO came out in support of it.
Could be, David Ickes site got heavily DDOS’ed. There is a thing people can do to stop it. Not sure if they have that front page filter thing operational. It delays your re-direction to the site for a few seconds.
OffG currently under attack too I think. Not been able to access for hours.
The tech guys in the house say it is either a coordinated and sustained attack by a set of hackers sending ‘packets’ (like Anonymous), or an institutional actor with massive computing processing power linked direct to the internet. More likely the second than the first.
This is getting out of hand now – powers that be are scared shitless.
They are. The wheels are coming off their bus big time now. All that’s needed is the newspapers’ editors to get on board and it’s game over.
Is it though? Things are getting worse.
It’d be nice to think these were just death throes. They could be if we all stopped kowtowing to these ridiculous rules on muzzles. I don’t wear one (a thin wisp of a silk scarf if I feel I’m frightening anyone close by). I think it’s mainly ugly people who wear them – a great boon, I’d have thought! But I daresay for many this is the most exciting thing that’s ever happened in all their very narrow lives!
Just got through after a bit of a delay.
Can you cut and paste the figures. Screen cap or such. It would be good to keep an eye on the signing traffic. Thanks.
That bit seems to be down
[gravitywp_count formid=”1″ filter_field=”7″ filter_value=”General public”]
Thanks. I cannot access it at all. I’ve stopped trying for now. Thanks for posting th error text.
That now seems to be blank (only code), and you cannot currently sign the declaration.
Brandnewtube was hacked just a few days ago. Just mentioning for context not suggesting any link as I have no idea.
I’ve just tried on my Netbook – no problem.
Now as TT reports, but will keep trying
Apparently it was at the top of Google via a French VPN yesterday, meaning it was purposely targeted for shadowing in the UK (and possibly US). Not sure what has happened now as the site has no signatories or possibility to sign.
Revealed: How Covid cases have fallen far short of the Government’s ‘doomsday graph’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/11/revealed-covid-cases-have-fallen-far-short-governments-doomsday/
Is that krankie angular peak the spire of forgotten doom?
The red columns tell a tale.
Bill and ben need bringing to account. With bars on their windows.
Particularly as the stand to gain, financially from their policy which is destroying the country.
Earlier comment oday by me has a link covering the Edinburgh Univesity Study from last week. Prof Graham Atlands(?) Peer reviewed study. In march the gov advisors compiled at report for the gov. In that report it explicitly states lockdown will cause more deaths in the long term than doing nothing. In short the government bill and ben knew at the time their decisions would cause more death.
See the link below somewhere.
That was probably the backlog “missed in error”
The contrived spire of doom as I call it.
I don’t subscribe to the DT – please could you let me know what each column/line is showing (apart from the grey bit that wasnt a prediction)? Ta
Black line – cases by reporting date
Red line – cases by specimen date (recent days will be added to hence the apparent drop)
Yellow line – 7-day moving average
Thank you
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6199544116001
The Great Reset’: World leaders to harness COVID and pursue ‘sinister’ climate agenda
15min.
Sky aus is not related to sky uk junk.
Thanks Basis appears almost undeniable
As important as Crimes Against Humanity IMO. Please keep on reposting it. People need to see this!
Just watched this – shame no journalists are investigative these days
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=GlQP6YJIgHI
Here’s a briliant comment:
The Amish community were asked why the coronavirus was Not effecting them. They said we do not have Television.
Yes I liked that one!
I watched a few thing by Derren Brown on netflix recently.
The one where he brainwashed people to murder someone they only met a few hours before by pushing them off a tall building.
I think more people need to watch things like this right now.
I also have a friend who has finished a degree in psychology and we had a chat about the “power of threes”
I’m starting to think that the only way to win this war is to use their own brainwashing against them.
For example, when expressing to someone a fact that you have evidence that they might not want to hear that is true, say it three times in a calm manor.
Suicide will kill more people than covid19 if we carry on like this.
Suicide will kill more people than covid19 if we carry on like this.
Suicide will kill more people than covid19 if we carry on like
You get the idea
What about the power of 33’s ?
Obvs much better… just three times without Dominic Cummings trickery is a good start start start though
Ooh I see what you did there- no flies on me!
An excellent few words in a tweet I like, the tweet links to Peter Hitens article – if they do this at my funeral I’ll haunt them.
“Rita Panahi
@RitaPanahi
·
7h
Distinguished scientists around the world are demanding sanity. Even our pathetic MPs are beginning to wonder if they have been had. The media are slowly waking up to their proper duty of questioning authority, writes
@ClarkeMicah”
https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1315246706355662849?s=20
Not that long ago some on here were saying a two-week half term lockdown was being lined up as a final move to change course without losing face. They’ve had many chances to if they wanted, the imminent 6 MONTH northern semi-lockdowns says they will only continue “until there’s a vaccine”.
“In a leaked military manual on “unconventional warfare” recently highlighted by WikiLeaks, the U.S. Army states that major global financial institutions — such as the World Bank, International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) — are used as unconventional, financial “weapons in times of conflict up to and including large-scale general war,” as well as in leveraging “the policies and cooperation of state governments.”
“…the U.S. government applies “unilateral and indirect financial power through persuasive influence to international and domestic financial institutions regarding availability and terms of loans, grants, or other financial assistance to foreign state and nonstate actors,” and specifically names the World Bank, IMF and The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), as well as the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), as “U.S. diplomatic-financial venues to accomplish” such goals.”
https://www.mintpressnews.com/leaked-wikileaks-doc-reveals-how-us-military-uses-of-imf-world-bank-as-unconventional-weapons/254708/
This sheds an interesting light on Belarus’ rejection of an IMF loan:
IMF Made Loans to Belarus Conditional on a Lockdown. Lukashenko Turned Them Down“We will not dance to anyone’s tune” was the precise response
https://www.anti-empire.com/imf-demanded-lockdown-as-a-condition-of-loan-to-belarus-lukashenko-turned-it-down/
Icke has been telling us this – with examples – for 20 years.
Pilger too.
So for c19 they use a PCR test that is not fit for purpose, what test do they use to diagnose influenza?
A thermometer?
Too technical.
Finger in the wind or chicken bones are better.
How are mass hysteria and mindless conformity diagnosed?
Proportion of people wearing masks in the open air.
Well said! I am appalled by the increasing number of these muzzlers, their cringing and their little darting, frightened eyes peering over their muzzles, and, as you say, in the good fresh open air. (Don’t they know they’re just as likely to ‘catch’ it through their eyes?)
This is worth reading, from an expert who knows about masks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xupXpQbRhE8
It’ll be goggles/visors next then.
Nooooooooooooooooo
I think they use models to calculate overall flu deaths for the year.
Flu deaths = anybody’s guess then?
The BBC doing it’s bit for the cashless society:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54500673
Fake science? Certainly reads like it.
I saw that too. Most interesting. They have also found that people without ID chips are more susceptible to this virus.
Good news!
It means you shouldn’t be carrying your T&T-enabled phone around with you.
Covid-19 death rates are lower worldwide, but no one is sure whether that’s a blip or a trend
Scientists warn against complacency in this ‘cliffhanger moment,’ saying even reduced lethality could mean millions more lives lost.
Read in The Washington Post: https://apple.news/AzLjUS7JPT5Kql5RnLTZyCQ
So what?
Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they? It’s called self-justification after all the tripe we’e been fed. Anyway, they don’t ALL say so.
Now how about you reading the following, just some figures, easily checked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJq8MBgYJ4Q
It’s just a blip. This is a massively dangerous virus and if you still have a job it’s very important that we bankrupt you just in case it saves one life.
One virus to rule them all…
Turn your TV off and there’s no virus.
Okay so you have to switch a few more devices off and turn your head away from all human society but the point is there.
Yes – it’s all bollocks.
Everyone on here knows that.
If it didn’t have a name we wouldn’t know it existed.
We’d just call it flu – like normal.
Sorry but I need my daily MSM corona fear porn in between watching Frodo and Sam scale mordor.
And no business either.
Latest from the High Peak: It has been a lovely afternoon, sunny intervals, crisp and clear. We cycled to New Mills – dozens of people out and about, most jolly and enjoying the sunshine but with one or two swervers and back-turners and some people looking depressed and withdrawn. Our Palestinian cafe-owner friend also seemed down and dispirited. He has to wear the bloody muzzle all day now and he said ‘I don’t give a shit for it’ i.e. he’s really pissed off.
Alan had a go at a silly old gimmer wearing the filthiest mask we’ve ever seen, warning him that he was going to make himself ill. The bloke told Alan he was wrong because ‘that’s not what the papers say’. Oh well, you can’t really make war on the terminally thick, can you?
Then down to the Co-op with no masks, lanyards or badges – our new M.O. ‘Greeted with great friendliness by the cashier. Depressingly, 100% obedient volk until we were on our way out. A youngish bloke was walking in and gave me a huge beam – because he could!
As we left, the Coop’s hi-tech counting machine went ‘Paaaarp! It is now safe to enter the store!’ We thought, blimey, it’s so clever it knows 2 bio-hazards have just left the building!
‘A bunch of kids outside, one about 13 in a mask so I had a little go at him. He actually took it off! As we pedalled off, we couldn’t resist saying in loud voices stuff like ‘Welcome to Zombie-geddon, this is a fucking ant-farm’ (thanks to Ivor Cummins’ daughter for that one) and other childish stuff. But we didn’t call anyone a B-W, honest guv.
On the way home we chatted to our dark-green shopkeeper mate who has been full-on Covi-hysteric. He is the only shopkeeper who has forced me to use hand-sanitiser (he let me use my own after my protests) and we’ve avoided his shop since the mask-mandate as we can’t face his fear. He delivers to us now. Anyway, it turns out his wife is pregnant and he said something about not going to a mutually favourite cafe in Buxton as he wants to ‘reduce contacts’. We didn’t say anything but thought this was typical over-reaction but later we realised what he really meant. His wife has been struggling with morning sickness and their trade is down about 30%. He literally can’t afford to be tracked-and-traced as he’s having to run the shop on his own. Belatedly, we realise they may have woken up a bit and are really worried.
Then our elderly friend phoned us. She and her mate are getting the run-around from the NHS so we had a mutual rant. She is getting it more-and-more and is very angry at how they are being treated. She has realised that the NHS is a Covid-only service.
We are in dark times and for many people, reality is now kicking in. I think the task for LS is going to be holding up the truly demoralised and defeated. We are sure that this is what is now wrong with so many people. They seem like collaborators (and they are) but it’s because their resistance has already been worn down, they’re resigned and they have no fight in them. We need to get them to realise that we can be all in it together, just not like the bastards mean it! MW
It’s what the papers say
You know it’s right
It’s down there written in black and white — for you
It’s what the papers say
You know it’s true
They’re responsible citizens and would they lie to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5go9DxCq-XI
Thanks, we’re listening to this right now! Honestly the old pillock was as daft as a brush and I doubt there’s any hope for the likes of him. MW
It’s actually very sad though. He’s not the only one either.
Any of you technical guys care to comment on this (The Telegraph, paywall):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/11/jab-given-children-ward-tb-could-buy-time-search-covid-vaccine/
A jab usually given to protect children from tuberculosis could win more time to find an effective coronavirus vaccine, according to researchers.
The Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine will be trialled globally on 10,000 people after it was found to stimulate the immune system. It could help fight off Covid-19 until more effective vaccines are discovered.
The University of Exeter is leading the UK arm of the trial and will recruit healthcare staff and care home workers.
The study, co-ordinated by the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute in Melbourne, Australia, has received more than $10 million (£7.6 million) from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to allow its global expansion.
An interesting qualification – “until more effective vaccines are discovered”, but then we see that Uncle Billy is mentioned. Still, at least he’s bunging money in a direction that could obviate the need for another vaccine.
There is some evidence in support from Japan, and Japan has had ‘a good covid’:
‘The BCG vaccine coverage in 1999–2002, 2004, and 2012 in five prefectures with no COVID-19 infections was significantly higher than that in five prefectures with a high prevalence of infections (Mann-Whitney U test, p<0.05). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection was significantly negatively correlated with BCG vaccine coverage in 2004 and was significantly positively correlated with age groups 20–34 and 40–54 years (Spearman’s rank correlation, p<0.01).
Our findings suggest that routine infant BCG vaccination coverage in young generation had a significant impact on prevention of local COVID-19 spread in Japan.’
https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(20)30547-8/fulltext
Primary phase 3 results this month:
‘Murdoch Children’s Research Institute has organized BRACE, a Phase 3, two-group, multicenter, open-label, randomized, controlled trial of up to 4170 health care workers in Australian hospitals to determine if BCG vaccination reduces the incidence and severity of COVID-19 during the 2020 pandemic [4]. Primary results are expected in October 2020, and full study results are expected in March 2022.’
https://www.lifespan.io/road-maps/the-covid-19-roadmap/murdoch-childrens-research-institute-bcg-vaccine
This could indeed be a useful face saver, once the confected covid ‘crise’ has outlived its PR utility……
I’d heard about the BGC vaccine being helpful and that it was already being used on covid patients in some countries.
However, if a serious danger with covid is the cytokine storm- ie hyper immune reaction – isn’t artificial immune system stimulation a bit risky?
Seems to be okay for the elderly:
‘Prof. Evangelos J. Giamarellos-Bourboulis, co-coordinator of the study at the 4th Department of Internal Medicine at ATTIKON University Hospital: “In addition to the clear effect of BCG vaccination on infections in general, the most important observation was that BCG could mainly protect against respiratory infections: BCG-vaccinated elderly people had 75% fewer respiratory infections than the elderly who received placebo.’
‘The study does show that the BCG vaccination is safe to give to the elderly, and that it can protect them against various infections.’
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200901/BCG-vaccine-offers-protection-for-elderly-people-against-respiratory-infections.aspx
Thanks
“Artificial” immune system stimulation is the principle by which all traditional vaccines work.
That is why you can feel “fluey” for a few days after having had the flu jab.
The smallpox vaccine was a smallpox related virus that was not dangerous.
Yes, the smallpox vaccine was itself a virus.
The immune system was given a “heads up” about what to look out for. So that if smallpox came along it would immediately be destroyed by antibodies before it had a chance to become established and do any damage.
The early smallpox vaccines killed an awful lot of people.
So, we’ve been put through an illegal lockdown for months, we’ve ruined out economies, we’ve spent a fortune on pointless work testing for a mild virus, a fortune on a fancy new vaccine that we might not need… and all along a historic vaccine could have done the trick. We might not have known that right at the start, but I certainly saw some hints, including on this site, by about May that use of the BCG vaccine in the developing world seemed to be hatling covid-19. How f***ing silly does society now look?
Sounds a bit fishy to me!
All traditional vaccines stimulate the immune system. That is the principle by which they work.
How do we know Bill G will not spike this vaccine with some sterilising agent? He has form for doing this…
I’ve recently rewatched the video of the two men trying to console their mother at their funeral and being told to separate. After watching that, I have to say not upsetting the heartless, mindless cretins whose hysteria has made scenes like that a part of our daily life is very much the least of my concerns.
There’s nothing quiet about it.
They wouldn’t do that. This isn’t Russia you know.
We live in a society where freedom of opinion is respected, even when it goes against the prevailing view.
Perish the thought.
Freedom of speech is respected in Russia. It’s not the USSR you know.
This may come as a surprise to you. The mainstream media are less than truthful about other countries sometimes. It’s not only covid they tell porkies about!
It seems that the WHO now is NOT IN FAVOUR OF LOCKDOWNS
Video interview (the link for the vid that you can save before it’s TWITTER deleted!
Article just posted on ZeroHedge also covering ‘new’ stance from WHO:
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/who-flip-flops-urges-world-leaders-stop-using-lockdowns-fight-covid-contagion
Seems that BAD NEWS really travels FAST!
Beware of your enemies bringing gifts.
Now that we have been softened up they are suddenly against lockdowns.
They are just managing the Herd very efficiently!
Hmm…the UK and Big Pharma are the WHO’s major financial backers…who’s really calling the shots and telling who to do what?
Who is the BIGGEST financier of the WHO? (Hint… not those two!)
Of course it is Gates …but is Gates -rich as he is- really capable of making all his moves to vaccinate and chip all of humanity by himself and without the backing of the major US state agencies/other governments?
…
This is just a very short summary of what a Billionaire can do with his free time and huge amounts of money!
It’s written in Portuguese but the sources (links) are in English so, enjoy the party!
Do not forget that Billy G is not ALONE in this Quest! ALL the SRF & Billionaires WANT AT BETTER PLANET for themselves!
And a Herd of ~8.000.000.000 uman animals is destroying Their planet… so They act.
All in the pipeline already: https://steemit.com/covid/@munkle/permanent-injectable-biochip-covid-sensors-near-fda-approval
Good except that they will merely recommend some kind of immunity record (daily test or immunity passport) as the alternative – which is what they have wanted to introduce all along…
Remember the EU have been planning vaccine passports for several years now…
Immunity records have always existed! Turning them to digital is just an upgrade!
They want a Herd with less heads… OPERATION COVID will cause many indirect deaths (They are not morons!) especially in the countries where living conditions were already really bad.
I guess they can start to censor WHO!
WHO NOT IN FAVOUR OF LOCKDOWNS
When will the BBC and others start putting that on the evening news.
Bastards.
The word is blatantly!
GBD latest:
‘Signing is temporarily disabled. Apologies for the inconvenience’
Perhaps repairing the site after an attack?
Why do you want to sign something that keeps PROMOTING THE USE OF MORE PCR?!
Are you not yet satisfied with the current level of the “pandemic of pcr samples”?!
Because the Great Barrington Declaration is anti-lockdown. So long as there isn’t the threat of lockdown hanging over us who cares how many fools go and get PCR’d, or how many false positives arise from it. When a liberty respecting solution like the GBD is brought in it won’t matter if there is a testdemic or not, and because they respect liberty the Great Barrington method isn’t reliant on draconian actions by contact tracers either, they expect spread and don’t fear it.
Besides, because the MSM can’t ignore it, the issues are at last being publicly debated and the PCR nonsense should eventually come up.
WHO is also anti-lockdown, so what?!
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/thirsty-scots-head-out-lockdown-22825964
Some pushback by the Great Scottish Drinking Public being reported in the mainstream Daily Record.
For those not familiar with the geography, the central belt (where Nickla’s tightest alcohol restrictions now apply) has been defined by reference to health board areas. Helensburgh is a coastal commuter town serving Glasgow, easily accessible by road and public transport from most places in the greater Glasgow conurbation (less than 20 miles from the city centre itself). It also is a naval town (the submarine base at Faslane is just outside the town), so has lots of drinking establishments. Conveniently (for historical reasons too complicated to go into) it is situated in the area of NHS Highland health board, so outside the central belt definition.
Young adults travelled by train and taxi to the town
Can’t accuse them of being irresponsible by drink-driving then!
angry that elderly people have been banned from drinking indoors and forced to sit out in the cold
Exactly!
There is certainly a direct correlation between number of drinking establishments and proximity of naval bases!
Serious suggestion – it strikes me that the way to win over those who unquestioningly swallow the Beeb’s rubbish is to feed them reliable alternative scientific/factual information in a simple format that they can easily understand…a bit like all those pamphlets that were scattered around in WWII (but not simply scandalous propaganda). The more you know, etc…
This has to be the way to get at them. We need to continually highlight the small death rate/ negligible risk to under 65s vs the detestation that lockdown/ restrictions are causing.
With this Herd of Modern Moron Slaves that does NOT work!
On the 5th of October the dudes from the WHO declared that the IFR for COVID-19 is 0,1% (basicly the level of a INFLUENZA SEASON!), it’s on video!
Since the number of actual deaths directly connected to the alleged infection by RNA “SARS-CoV-2” is smaller than the official figures, seems that even that IFR of 0,1% is a gross overestimate!
What happened since October 5th?
Right…
Send them to Ivor Cummins’s or Mike Yeadon’s Twitter pages – can be read without needing to have a Twitter account..
This probably an attack from Brigade 77
Just occurred to me:
Under the rule of six it would now be illegal for Snow White and he Seven Dwarfs to meet up in modern Britain.
Im fact just the Seven Dwarfs would be too many.
That’s how absurd this is.
Didn’t the seven dwarfs live together? They would be OK but would struggle to book a table at their local pub (though I’m unsure of the existence of pubs in the Disney Snow White world)
Damn you’ve got me there, The dwarfs were one household.
If they had gone to the pub would they have given their names?
Only the lead member of the group needs to give details. Of course,one of them is a deadly Covid risk, just going off his name…
I assume you mean Dopey?
seven dwarves all in bed feeling happy.
Happy got out so they all felt grumpy
From fb:
Just been to harvester (The Madeira Harvester, Brighton) and we are a family of 6 +1 toddler. They didn’t let us in even we had a booking and we said we would sit at separate tables.
Reason they gave us is that we will talk to each other in the restaurant.
This madness is not new.9 of us finished golf a couple of months ago.They wouldn’t let us in the pub even if we sat at different tables.The reason given is that we would still talk to each other.Bedwetters is too kind.Morons is more apt
They’re in the same household bubble, and work bubble. They’re also key worker heroes doing their essential mining.
May I contribute to a couple of important discussions?
[1] Why are they doing this?
As the late, great Bob Monkhouse observed, “If you can fake the sincerity the rest is easy.
[2] Bedwetting.
The late Willie Rushton, during a skit in “I’m Sorry I Haven’t a Clue” asked:
“Why does Grumpy always flush first?”
What sincerity?
Wankock makes no attempt to mask his delight at announcing yet more misery for the electorate.
I also wonder if dePiffle now reads his speeches so slowly because he’s fighting the urge to laugh maniacally.
What sincerity indeed, Cheezilla.
I don’t have a telly but in an online video I saw a clip of our mountebank Prime Minister in action on The Andrew Marr Show last Sunday.
What a contemptible, shifty, gleeful performance that was.
They’re a bubble!
On the matter of the bedwetting term. My big sis just came up with a good one regarding dandelion ( wetter), dandelions being a known diuretic. Could I take this further with the French ‘pissenlit’ – their name for the dandelion, literally bed wetter.
Or we could just call them “stills”. As in “still bedwetters”…
Just call them dandelions – speaking in code!
coronacowards, or coronanists seem good phrases. But I think the real question here isn’t so much about the offensiveness of “bedwetter” as it is a question of whether we can use any (apropriately) insulting term to describe those (frankly dreadful) kinds of people if we want there to be a good possibility of converting them round to our cause. I’ve reached the point where I can’t consider such coronacowards without using an offensive description in my head, but if any such Person-In-Logical-Loss-Over-Covid-diKtats get persuaded to pay a visit to this website it might be wise if we could have some pages designed to be inoffensive to them and begin their conversion.
Oh my god, yes! When we were little, we were always told that if you picked a dandelion, you would wet the bed. Dandelions it is, then. They won’t get it, either, so even better.
Just imagine if they had just been honest from the start and said “LDs, SD and muzzles until there’s a vaccine, could be next year or maybe never.”
I told everyone who would listen that would be the case from the start – asked them repeatedly how we would get out of this. They all just mumbled crap about vaccines.
The Great Barrington Declaration is under attack again?
Search on Duckduckgo (and Google):
It no longer shows the number of signatures, and the signatures page has this message ‘This Page Doesn’t Seem To Exist.
It looks like the link pointing here was faulty. Maybe try searching?
Search for:’
Anyone else have this problem?
The website is working for me via direct link, though none of the signatures nor the numbers of signatures are showing.
No Problem
Signatures
218,700
They were well over 300k last time the website displayed them. Are you looking at an archived version of the website perhaps?
Maybe fake names were removed .
Does that mean we can remove all the fake (with Covid) deaths then?
How are you going to be able to tell that? Trawling through over 300,000 signatures would not be easy.
If there are any Lockdown Sceptics from the USA on here, or people knowledgeable about the situation, I would deeply appreciate some help in re-educating my friends in California who seem to have joined the Covid cult en masse. These are really dear friends who have always been anti-governmental activists with whom I marched against the Gulf War and Iraq War and so many other state injustices during the 28 years I lived there, yet they are all happy to be muzzled (mandated outdoors all the time) and have been on lockdown since March with no let-up. My closest friend, a Humanities lecturer at the local college told me that John Hopkins University said Covid was the THIRD highest cause of death in the country. I KNOW this has to be wrong and I need to send her (and a bunch of other friends) some facts because I can’t stand it any longer. One friend of 30 years even said “You sound like Trump” when I tried to give her some info on the phone the other day. Any help, links, etc would be SO appreciated!
This is my contribution
https://www.newsmax.com/us/coronavirus-covid-twitter/2020/08/30/id/984567/
Good one!
Thanks very much, Steeve, however the report is dated for August.
Ask swedenborg who has just parachuted in.
“You sound like Trump”. They’ve admitted they have lost the argument right there. They base their decisions about extremely important events not on reason or evidence or their own critical faculties, but on who else holds various positions. It is obviously idiotic. If Trump is for it, they are against it. Morons.
The burden of proof is on them – ask them to cite evidence that masks work, ask them to cite evidence that lockdowns work, ask them to cite evidence that covid is an unprecedented threat. Lockdowns are an unprecedented experiment, never before tried. First do no harm. Lockdowns, now denounced by the WHO, are unorthodox. What Sweden did is straight out of the WHO pandemic playbook. Trace and trace and mass testing is not recommended once the virus is out there. The u-turn on masks was political (Google Deborah Cohen’s Twitter feed).
I’m sorry to say, but a humanities professor in the state of California is a lost cause — two strikes against reason and rationality. The only thing that might turn people like this around is if they lose their jobs and life becomes impossibly difficult. So long as they are part of the Zoomocracy and believe they’re “safe” they won’t turn and no amount of logic and data will penetrate.
I have heard yesterday of a psychiatrist who treats his patients while everyone is wearing a face covering. He is in the south east US.
We are lost.
Hello if the USA is like the UK then using statistics is tricky as everything from an in-growing toenail upwards is now branded covid. Our most definitive stats are from our Office of National statistics and are the reports of total registered deaths. There was a post earlier today from ‘Posh Panic’ where they have analysed some of the ONS data I think the link to this is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXgoMjKpH4&feature=youtu.be
I am not sure if the USA has a similar set of stats? but the UK ones show an April covid spike but otherwise not hugely out of line with other years.
Every year there are deaths from respiratory problems and in many ways Covid has been added to the list of the types of respiratory death causes.
In my view much of this hoo-haa has been generated because this is the first disease outbreak where our response has been driven by test results. With previous disease outbreaks we would by now and with no testing probably have declared it all over and gone home.
I consider that all +ve test results from people who are asymptomatic = people who are immune, so that when they report all these test results it is effectively an outbreak of immunity.
Just a few thoughts from me, maybe of some help.
They’re stuffed – California mandates vaccines and does not respect the 2nd. You could suggest they move, I guess.
Spotted on fb:
LOGICAL FRIEND AT RESTAURANT:
Hostess: ok, I can seat you at this table right here (4 feet away), but I will need you to wear a mask to the table.
Logical friend: what happens when I get to the table?
Hostess: you can take off the mask.
Logical friend: then it is safe over there?
Hostess: yes.
Logical friend: are those fans blowing above the table? Is that the air-conditioning I feel? Is the air circulating in here?
Hostess: no words. Confused look.
LOGICAL FRIEND AT GROCERY STORE:
Why is there plastic on the payment keypad?
Cashier: to protect people from Covid.
Logical friend: but isn’t everyone touching the plastic keypad the same way they would the regular keypad?
Cashier: no words. Confused look.
LOGICAL FRIEND AT DRIVE-THRU
Server: (holds a tray out the window with a bag of food for logical friend to grab)
Logical friend: why is my bag of food on a tray?
Server: so I don’t touch your food because of Covid.
Logical friend: didn’t the cook touch my food? Didn’t the person wrapping my food touch it and then touch it again when placing it in my bag? Didn’t you touch the bag and put it on the tray? Didn’t you touch the tray?
Server: no words. Confused look.
Life is hard for logical people right now.
https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/74502287/Quizzical-Spock
Great anecdotes. The more chances we get to question the bonkersness they’re asked to do, the more questions they will ask too!
Drip, drip, drip!
It is. My wife got told off for having the audacity to try on some shoes in Matalan today! Handling them is fine, trying them on is verboten.
As an engineer illogical stuff as mentioned above just makes my head hurt because it just demonstrates they haven’t thought this stuff through at any level. It makes my head hurt because now there appears to be a problem that needs solving; it;s just how I’m “wired”. It makes my head hurt because I have no idea on where to start with making the illogical logical.
My own example from yesterday: went to an outdoor leisure attraction paid for in advance so just need to scan e-ticket on arrival. No problem.
Get scanned in and as the person in the booth is printing my receipt, I ask for a map of the attraction.
Booth: Sorry I can’t give you a map.
Me: Why not?
Booth: Covid
Me: What’s covid got to do with handing me a paper map?
Booth: I’m not allowed to give you a map in case they have covid on them.
Me: They won’t have covid on them.
Booth: But they might <starts to hand over receipts to me>
Me: If you can’t give me a map how can you hand me my receipt? It might have covid on it?
Booth: <Silence>
Got similar in a Table Table.
Server brings food to table; plates are on a huge tray.
Server asks us to take plates from tray, offering tray to each of us in turn.
Me: “Why can’t you hands us the plates?”
Him: “Covid rules; we can’t touch your plates.”
Me: “Who put the plates on the tray?”
Him: “I did!”
Silent pause…
Him: “Oh, yeah; they never thought of that.”
I have no idea on where to start with making the illogical logical.
You’re trying to make the impossible possible. No wonder your head hurts!
I’m not an engineer, but it drives me up the wall too.
My 6 year old’s weekly rugby sessions. We’re supposed to sanitise all of the balls every 15 minutes. Why 15 minutes? Nobody knows. Has anybody ever picked up any covids from a rugby ball? Nobody knows. How do you sanitise 20 rugby balls every 15 minutes? Nobody knows. Do we do it? Obviously not.
It’s all complete and utter illogical drivel.
Like the people in the cafe where I worked who sanitize their hands before going to the toilet, come out and sanitise their hands. My reaction was always, you are disgusting, did you not wash your hands in the washroom?
I hope this photo comes through.
It was posted by a musician friend who says it’s more useful info than HMGs suggestions:
bugger!
Swan
That’s the one. Thanks!!
Please, someone send that to Rishi Sunak!!!
And also to Julia H-B, Simon Dolan and other sceptics
Is it true that figures for Covid and those for influenza are to be reported together now. Why ? Surely that by default will cause the public to think the worst ?
Well that is rather the point, project fear and all that.
But that’s so very blatant that it cannot possibly have any legitimacy behind it, however much it is pretended. How is this being justified ?
Because Covid ….
Any further justification is so 2019
In the same report, but no indication that figures will be combined. Would actually make comparison easier in theory.
To call them bedwetters or something else…
Reminds me of the utterly pointless discussions of the People’s Front of Judea. Or was it the Judean People’s Front?
Well… you are feeling at home then!
SPLITTERS!
All the chat about bedwetting reminds me of the time last year when BBC R4 Womans Hour spent two days telling about post natal faecal incontinence, not very nice.
What about the Popular Front?
“He’s sat over there…”
The Last Supper would be illegal in the UK today.
I think the original also involved arrests.
And a certain amount of snitching
A sobering thought..
Well, brilliant afternoon at the local fruit farm picking Pumpkins for the Grandkids , packed out with families pushing wheelbarrows full of Pumpkins. No masks in site anywhere, no distancing, no nothing, just families having fun It was dare I say “normal”
A few signs up up but no-one taking any notice
Oh my days it was just such a relief
A joy to find these days. Still exist here and there…
Beware the Covipumpkin.
I’m told that masked kids will be knocking on doors on Halloween, demanding ‘Trick or trace’.
Hello everyone! I’ve been hard at work creating a website aimed at students (but by no means limited to this group!) regarding the facts around the virus and lockdown. If you’re interested, it can be found here: https://covid19thelowdown.wordpress.com/
It’s very much a work in progress but I hope to add more facts in the coming weeks. Feel free to share with anyone (particularly students) – I will continue to plug it once it’s more fully formed. I’ll include a QR code to it on some posters I’ll be distributing on campus in the next week.
Good for you! I hope you can influence lots of students.
Thanks!
Well done .Keep up the great work .
Shared it with a student I know. Initial feedback – credible information, well presented. Are there Twitter feeds a lot of students follow that you could post it on?
Glad to hear it! I don’t have Twitter unfortunately, though I’d be happy for anyone to try and get the attention of any organisations/people. I know there was a student who wrote a letter to his MP and was featured in the daily newsletter a few weeks back (can’t remember his name) – he has a Twitter feed from memory.
Some great snippets from the interview of Dr David Nabarro of the World Health Organisation by Andrew Neil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8oH7cBxgwE&t=1600s
In the twenty years leading to 2013, we halved global poverty – this is absolute poverty I’m talking about – Dr Nabarro said that as a result of lockdowns, poverty is expected to double in twelve months. Governments’ collective stupidity (or whatever else you choose to attribute it to) will undo in a year the good done over the previous twenty or so.
Someone finally talking sense at the WHO, bit late now – plus I bet they don’t take any notice of him.
It is more pressure though. The more pressure, the harder it gets for them.
Except that ending lockdowns will be done by promoting the strategy that they have had as their goal from the start: introduction of mass tracking, testing and covid passports…
A bit late for Nabarro – the last time I heard him talking, he was promulgating the Fear stuff big time.
Email I sent to the WHO on the 11th of April:
Dear WHO
I don’t want to believe that a total world lockdown was part of your planned protocol for a virus like COVID-19.
I have followed some of your press conferences and I can see your organisation is 100% committed to doing the best for the physical health of all of us across the world.
You are a highly intelligent organisation and will, by now, have grasped the catastrophic impact this lockdown is going to have on an already fragile world; from individual mental health to utter devastation in parts of the world, not strong enough to withstand the impacts of a lockdown. Economics aside – all health based.
I accept, statistically, we all have a chance of dying of COVID-19. However, for those who survive, they will soon be entering a very strange world, forever derailed by this lockdown. An episode in history, I believe, that would rather soon be forgotten.
You have a huge voice right now. Please do the right thing. Turn the media bias around. And the rest of the world will follow.
Thank you for your time in reading this.
Your sincerely
M Peerman
England
I never received a reply!
Total lockdowns have ever been the planend response to any virus, there has never been any precedent for them. We’ve faced much worse pandemics than covid-19 without resorting to something so barbaric (and ineffective). But so many leaders envy Jinping, and when they saw him able to carry out lockdowns they wanted a slice of the authoritarian action.
Does he explain why they bullied everyone into locking down back in March? And didn’t they say that Sweden were making a huge mistake by not locking down?
Have they only just realised the problems lockdown causes? Can they give Boris a call and explain it to him?
Stolen from a Lockdown Sceptic on Reddit:
Let’s go out to eat, 2020 style…
1. Arrive at restaurant, fish three month old single-use surgical mask out of car’s filthy cupholder (still slightly sticky from this morning’s 84oz diet Pepsi).
2. Strap up with three month old single-use surgical mask. MAGICAL ANTI-GERM BARRIER ENGAGE!!!
3. Proceed into restaurant, opening door with same handle grabbed by 200 people so far today.
4. Hostess has immediate seating for your woke party of three. Walk past entire restaurant of unmasked people. It’s ok, they’re sitting.
5. Sit down. SEATED ANTI-GERM FORCEFIELD ENGAGE!!!
6. Safely within your anti-germ forcefield, remove mask. Browse menu while making relaxed inhales of the same recirculated AC air previously inside the lungs of the 200 people that also grabbed the door handle.
7. Waitress drops off drinks bare handed.
8. Grab drink with your bare hand. Sip leisurely, secure in knowing you’re within your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
9. Too many drinks. Need to pee. Don the magical anti-germ barrier mask as you leave your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
10. Walk past 40 unmasked restaurant patrons. Open bathroom with same door knob grabbed by 100 other people so far today.
11. Return to table past same 40 unmasked restaurant patrons.
12. Remove mask. Once again safe in your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness. Waitress takes your sweaty drink glass with her bare hand, refills, hands back to you. You accept with your bare hand. Grab some bread and eat it. Same hand. Yum Yum.
13. Meal complete. Mask on. Walk past 40 unmasked patrons. Make full body contact with at least 4 people waiting at the hostess stand as you squeeze your way back to the door – no matter, they’re all also wearing their magical anti-germ barriers.
14. Grab exit handle, which you are now the 220th person of the day to touch. Eating out successful.
15. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing that even after leaving the protection of your home and venturing out into the scary world of the public, you are essentially sterile thanks to your state approved methods of magical germ mitigation.
That’s very funny. Should go on the front page of the papers.
Great post.
As long as the waitresses are wearing this…
EVERYTHING IS SAFE AND SECURED…
I love the restaurants who bring your drink on a tray and you have to take it off. The bar person touched it, the waiter probably touched it when they put it on the tray or picked the tray up to stabilise the drink ( I am a waitress, I know what goes on!), but no – they cannot touch it to put it on your table! They most likely bend down to you, but they are wearing a face covering now, so it is ok. If they handed it to me, they would not bend down as far and not breathe into my face.
I’ve posted that exact scenario in another post above some where.
It’s nothing if not interesting to wake up one morning and find you are surrounded by cunts
.
Just seen a clip of an MP asking a question in the HofC and behind him someone is using a disposable face nappy to clean her glasses.
Soibhan McDonagh (Labour MP)
That would be a good clip to use to awaken some sheeple…
According to the daily mail corona can live on bank notes and hard surfaces for a month
The daily mail should be prosecuted for this crap unfortunately dome will believe them , I hate the DM TESTS
It’s hard not to read that kind of stuff and not have the sinking feeling that someone is deliberately prodding us in a very deliberate direction.
If it can last that long then all social distancing and lockdown “precautions” are ineffective, we might as well face the fact that the virus can’t be stopped and get used to living normally (the real normal, the old normal, not some fascistic fad) with it. Same would go if we found it could transmit in air over many km. The more transmissible the virus is, the sillier any extreme measures taken to stop it look. The 28 days headline is the result of an experiment which used very implausibly ideal conditions optimised for viral survival, and didn’t verify that the “virus” being found 28 days later was still viable and infectious or merely enough denatured protein to still trigegr a PCR response.
Yep. If people wash their hands once in a fog and try not to suck their thumbs (even if they are very scared) then I don’t see what difference the purported timescales make.
What I don’t understand about these studies is I keep reading that nobody has isolated (and I assume cloned) the virus. How do scientists do studies without the virus to work with? I’ll have to wait to read the journal I guess.
If that’s the case then we have all had it by now. Which means it’s already hit herd immunity
Oh my goodness, just had yesterday channel on, watching allo, allo. I didn’t think propaganda adverts could make me feel more repugnant, but this has. They are now linking remembrance day with the response to Covid that is civilians, to the sacrifices of the world wars, Iraq, Afghanistan. So, be prepared, 11th Nov, will now be an NHS remembrance. How much lower will this propaganda stoop, though I hope their arrogance will fuel further reality wake up.
I wouldn’t be too hopeful, it seems nothing can wake up the masses now.
I do see what they mean about Iraq. Thousands of civilians (both our own and Iraqis) died as a result of lies and falsified facts. Very similar to what’s going on now!
Incredible is it not. Sitting around in fear, wearing a mask in fear. Staying away from anyone else in fear. Acting a coward on everything = national hero in 2020.
That’s abhorrent!
Mabel Cow’s wartime poster will be good to put up as a rebuttal to all this…
Having just discovered that many vaccines involve the use of human foetal or animal cells in their production, I wonder how widely known this is?
This alone is enough for me not to take one. I appreciate it’s a sensitive topic so I won’t post a link but it’s no secret if you search online.
Yes, foetal cells, mice brains etc.
Sounds like the recipe for a “value” burger.
A Shot in the Dark – (2020 Documentary)
Thanks. I’ll take a look at that.
So that’s the vegans onside?
Trouble is, if you claim exemption from vaccination due to being a vegan, they’ll use the revised 1984 Health Act to section you on the grounds of insanity and jab you anyway.
Except isn’t being an ethical vegan a protected characteristic now? Seem to remember some court case a while back…
Classed as a religion I believe.
Does that mean it’s not suitable for vegans? I do hope so as the biggest bedwetters of my acquaintance are also vegans. The two seem to go together like flies and cowpats.
Would also bring up the question of animal testing. They’re probably skipping that stage along with the regulatory compliance and long-term side-effects observations.
I read they killed monkeys testing the Oxford vaccine. That upsets me as someone who cares about animals.
Good evening my fellow sceptics!
I just wondered if I could ask a favour.
I am slowly but surely winning a “previously” intelligent friend over to the dark side should we say, but the correct scepticism side I say!
As I like to chip away at people, I was thinking of sending the odd “reinforcement” photo message every now and again.
Who is able to send me their best photos to illustrate this bull, without being too rude? Nothing going too far like all this 5G rubbish, just the cold hard reality. I sometimes feel like the jest of photos reinforces the message that they have been had. I have very few hard hitting photos, so any additional ones gratefully received!
I would suggest the photo of the primary school class in Thailand with the kids masked and in cages of plastic set apart from each other.
Or the recent video from the funeral parlour with sons not allowed to comfort their grieving mother.
Or this:
Or the clip of the MP cleaning her glasses with her face mask..
“the correct scepticism”
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Is that mandatory, or am I still going to be allowed to disagree?
Don’t have it to hand but what about the photo of children in a playground having to stay within their squares and not allowed to interact with each other? I believe it was featured in the article Molly from UsforThem wrote on this website recently.
It’s difficult isn’t it? How fucking thick are you?
I’m thinking it would be good if any artist among us could maybe draw a cartoon-style picture of a virus character armed with a clock and tape measure, to show the absurdity of the rules…
Or the clip of the German President Steinmeier removing his mask when he thought the cameras had stopped rolling and then pressing it into the naked palm of a waiting flunky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2qAKS6Hl4I
I recently saw a news report clip of the reporter in a boat reporting about the “terrible ” flood. The camera panned out and someone was walking through the water, about 15cm high.
Is that what you are looking for. MSM lying?
What about this, MrJ?
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how about this, the best image for today
Does anyone know if there’s a way to choose what ads you see on YouTube? I watch a lot of videos related to my hobbies and personal interests and while most of the ads are innocuous enough I’m getting really pissed of with the amount of government Covid propaganda. Thanks.
I get the same issue, I’m not sure you can get away from it. Sadly.
You can.
I watch it on firefox version 58. It’s an old version of that browser, but it still works for me.
You can download adblockers to use with it.
To be honest, I’m usually so busy watching the countdown box so I can click “skip ads” that I never notice the ads themselves!
Use an adblocker. Works a treat.
Thanks, I’ll give it a go.
Have the scientists advising government, politicians and newspaper editors discovered perpetual motion? Every next big outbreak is always 2 weeks away, but it never arrives it just keeps on being 2 weeks away – Bournemouth beach, BLM protests, anti lockdown protests, Cornish holidays, schools opening, pubs opening etc etc ad infinitum. Armageddon is always 2 weeks away. But we never get there.
Isn’t there a computer reality simulation game called Fortnight?
Fortnite. Yes.
It’s like climate change: The predictions are so far in front that:
a) even though they are so far in the future none of them have actually come true
b) the original prophet of doom is either retired or dead and can’t be hung out to dry for their error.
But it does serve to keep you in a constant state of fear…
Yet everyone keeps falling for it.
Oh, I don’t know. Rishi Sunak’s found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
(Joke).
Well some people are certainly pocketing £billions from this fiasco!
Well yes, vultures are always hungry.
I don’t think the mask zealots are the same people as the bedwetters, though I’m sure there’s an overlap. True bedwetters are those who have not left their houses since last February, and won’t until every single person in the country has been trussed, sanitised, quarantined, vaccinated and sterilised.
And masked, of course.
Those people still indoors will hsve damaged immune systems and poor general health thus rendering themselves more prone to infection, twats.
According to a WHO document talking about PCR tests –
“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.”
and
“This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens. ”
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/whoinhouseassays.pdf?sfvrsn=de3a76aa_2
So why are we closing down the country based on these useless tests?
Yes Why are we? To cover the overreaction and dire decisions of our leader and his band of not so merry men….
Wasn’t Wankock a bit merry last night?
I think the hypocrisy of our leaders is taken for granted on here.It really affects the true believers though as they have bought into the we are all in this together propaganda.
It might wake a few of them up
Good point, but has been said by others a number of times this week, including myself.
I’m not knocking you for repeating it, but if even here people haven’t got this by now then what hope is there of communicating this to others?
New people are joining us here all the time so some repetition is not a problem.
Rumoured SIX MONTH lockdown for Liverpool, with ‘monthly reviews’. Gyms, pubs, bars, casinos, etc to close (but restaurants to stay open…?!).
If this utter madness doesn’t turn the public now, I don’t know what will. Perhaps it’s a necessary evil to truly precipitate the awakening and mass civil disobedience. I fear that soon it will have been so long that people will forget what normal life was like.
I wouldn’t count on an “awakening”. The majority are too brainwashed and obedient.
I am relying on the inconsistency of the rules (e.g. ‘Restaurants are open but I can’t visit my mum in her house?!’) to wake people up to the lunacy.
I notice that a lot of your posts on here are quite pessimistic. I know you said you are a natural pessimist but chin up. Optimism makes the fight a lot easier and makes it much harder for the bastards to win. I seem to remember that you said you were a student too? You’re young (if you’re not a mature student!) and you have your whole life ahead of you. I’m young too and I try to see this event in the context of my entire life, which will probably go on for at least another 60-70 years, God willing. That’s a long time in the context of history – we could see entire empires rise and fall in that period. Anything could happen, and at the end of the day we’re all just sacks of flesh on a tiny spinning rock in a universe that is so unfathomably large that everything else pales in comparison.
yep
wait a couple of weeks once folk up north spend weekends away in London.
Mass student testing can keep generating the required numbers.
We know its lost when stadium’s open – Liverpool red masks – Leeds white masks
As a Leeds fan, I sincerely hope for ‘Leeds no masks’!
Yeah – Covid was timed to spoil our promotion year.
Dirty Leeds @Brian Clough
Everything they announce is for six months, isn’t it? Another six months. It won’t turn the public, they’ll just think it’s got worse. And yes, they will (or have) forget. Sorry.
Jurgen still walks on water, stefarm.
I too have wondered why more people aren’t demanding a return to normal, but footie fans are just a subset. One or two sceptics on the fansite I go to, the rest are brainwashed. It doesn’t help of course that both LFC and Jurgen keep telling people to stay at home, mask their goldfish, etc.
Referring to yesterday’s testimony of a front-line nurse, let me first thank her for coming forward; she clearly has a vocation for her chosen rôle. Her description of the outrageous constraints on vulnerable and dying patients at the hands of the NHS was, regrettably experienced close to home last week. My brother in his late 60s has very much been at the sharp end of this omnishambles since March. He has been caring for his partner who is in the last stages of terminal cancer. In January this year their only child, a son in his late 20s, died in very tragic circumstances. As you can imagine my brother’s subsequent dealings with various government agencies, the police, etc, were made much more challenging when matters were overtaken by this omnishambles in March.
His partner was admitted to a large NHS hospital about two weeks ago after falling at home. On being stabilised she was told that she has only days to live and is now heavily sedated, basically on a managed pathway to death. My brother is one of only two nominated persons allowed to visit according to the ward sister (or head nurse?). He gave me an account of a very recent experience on going to the hospital with an elderly lady, a long-standing friend (for convenience I will call her B) who wanted to let her dying friend know that she had not been abandoned and to bid her farewell for the final time.
They arrived at the ward, off which his partner is in a single room. My brother was praying that the sister was not on shift, as he had previously been treated compassionately by other staff but unfortunately that afternoon the sister was at the ward’s reception desk. He courteously explained to her and her entourage of three or four nurses the purpose of B’s visit. Despite the desperate circumstances, he was told by the sister that B was forbidden to enter the room where her friend lay dying because she wasn’t one of the two nominated visitors,
My brother somehow managed to control his emotions while he calmly and emphatically stated to the sister and the three or four other nurses that B WAS going to enter the room to say goodbye to her friend. B then entered the room. After a couple of minutes she emerged tearful. My brother who has previously been ordered by the same sister to keep his mask on at ALL times then entered his partner’s room, closed the door, and removed his mask.
My brother’s actions throughout were those of a compassionate human being, one who is innately respectful of human dignity and so believes that the last sight of a dying person should be the caring face of another human.
Any health care worker who has been complicit in the denial to dying patients of visits by their loved ones and insisted on the wearing of a mask in all circumstances by those they allow to visit has absolutely no place in a decent society let alone working in a hospital. Respect for human dignity trumps the risk of catching a virus. It’s easy to guess what the reaction of the ‘Lady with the Lamp’ would be.
The preservation of human dignity rates so highly that governments put military personnel in harms way to defend it.
The thing that makes me so fucking angry about your profoundly moving testimony, David McCluskey, is that I know from my experience on a children’s oncology ward where parents do not wear masks etc, that there is no reason for that bitch of a ward sister to behave in such a despicable manner. She is choosing to behave in such a disgusting way, she probably regards Irma Grese as a hero.
Well done for standing up to this disgusting bullying. Shows you what type of person would have been working in British extermination camps if the Nazis had conquered us.
Well, if they’d conquered us the first time.It’s a fait accompli this time.
My mum is in a similar situation to ‘B’; she has a dying friend who she is not allowed to see because the friend’s two sons are the only people allowed to visit…
Thanks for sharing your story. Separation from loved ones is one of the biggest scandals of all this.
Now where did I hear “I was only following orders” before?
I believe the judgment on that was quite clear.
When will we get the Christmas cancellation announcement, or will Covid agree to a Christmas truce?
I think they will leave it closer to the actual holiday, let people get all excited then a bit of normality is returning and BANG announce the cancellation.
Full lockdown tweeted out on 23 December.
I will ignore it. Going by the number of maskless recently (especially in the female 30-40 demographic), I don’t think I will be alone. Then what? Do they enforce?
Snitches need to believe they are enforcing the righteousness of the overwhelming majority against a tiny minority of isolated sinners. Though pravda polling still aims to give that impression, anyone who has conversations with people knows that is not the real balance of opinion. I don’t think the curtain twitchers will be so active now, so it all falls on the police. That gets problematic on Christmas Day.
Where are all these mythical maskless people?
A small city not far from Nottingham
At 11:45 pm
We can all join to play football I. The no man’s land that is every city and town centre in the U.K.
Meh, our family Christmas planning is already in full swing. There will be more than 6 of us at my house and as I don’t want to eat Turkey for a week after the event, that’s not going to change.
It’s time more of the public just started ignoring this nonsense.
Another great edition – re the Bedwetter jibe – I have used it a lot but do understand the points the gentleman is making and yes, perhaps we should use something else – perhaps Covid Jellybaby or Jellybelly – I am sure the readers will have some great ideas……. Thank you so much Toby for this fantastic site — It has been the only thing keeping some of us sane.. I have even sent some of the letters and articles to my local MP in hope she will do her job and speak up for us and the taking away of our civil liberties… Anyway Well done again for a fantastic site and all the hard work you put in.
These days Toby is assisted by Will Jones.
I think Lockdown Lunatics is fine. Puts the emphasis on the insanity of what is going on rather than anxiety. I think most Sceptics are feeling the anxiety as much as True Believers albeit in different ways no doubt.
‘vop’ sounds derogatory enough to please those wishing to vent but the meaning is far from that as it is simply an acronym
Victim
Of
Propaganda
Many of us now here have been victims of propaganda at some time during the current madness. Not all (myself included) would be able to state truly honestly that we were never taken in at all, especially in the early days. While there is undoubtedly a core of natural hardcore sceptics here, propaganda induced fear can be a powerful driver of beliefs and actions and many will have gone through a process of starting out as ‘believers’ before questioning the narrative, perhaps researching alternative sources of information, and finally coming fully over to the sceptic side.
I was fortunate in that by the time I signed up I here I was much more at the sceptic end. Had I been less sure and seen some of the labels thrown around (and yes, I have done this myself) I’m not sure I would have stayed.
However, had I just kept seeing ‘vop’ (or something similar but seemingly meaningless) I’m sure I would eventually have asked someone what it meant and would have been far from offended once I learned the acronym, and in fact much more likely to stick around.
I was initially taken in by reports from Italy of people dying in hospital corridors, their bodies covered in boils and lesions, drowning with lungs full of septic puss.
Then I remembered that this was straight from a medieval plague manual. When I read that SAGE thought we were insufficiently afraid I was extremely angry and have not forgotten nor forgiven.
I was taken in at first too but never believed people should be deprived of liberty whoever bad the virus might be. I was horrified at the ban on seeing friends and family even outdoors and the limits on exercise.To me that that infringes basic human rights.
great listen to Maajid Nawaz today. Lockdown scepticism is the default position on his programme.
Is there a listen again link to his show?
He had an excellent caller on yesterday around 2.45pm. I wanted to share it here but couldn’t find it. They both spoke at length about masks and the two ideas dominating the mask debate. Namely that a) the non masked are spreading the virus and b) that forcing them to get masked would end the epidemic (casedemic.
They were both on the same page, both unable to see any proof that either of the two theories were proven and that to mandate a person put anything on their face, which itself has its own health impacts on the wearer, was an infringement on personal liberty.
It was great to hear as that station has been infuriating with James O Brian and Sheila Fogarty pushing the government lockdown pathways. Even Nick Ferrari has been pathetic.
Live at 21:30 Mark Windows, with live chat (probably)
https://windowsontheworld.net/live-shows/
Saw a few members of my family tonight at my parents’ house. With them, my sister, her husband, my niece and myself. (That’s six peeps.)
Anyway, my sister gave me an interesting snippet about one of her friends who is a hairdresser.
The hairdresser is 44 and up until this year apparently had perfect eyesight. However, she has been wearing a visor a lot and had noticed that not only was she suffering from vertigo, but she was also sometimes struggling to see properly.
An examination at the optician confirmed that she now needs glasses. He confirmed to my sister’s friend that it would have been caused by wearing the visor for long periods.
She does also wear a face mask and has been suffering from acne.
Unfortunately, we need a lot more of these ill effects to put a stop to the mask lunacy. I don’t like wishing bad things on people, but I fear that’s what it’s going to take.
Face masks are obviously a risk to health. I can imagine face visors in a salon setting with maybe fluorescent lighting in the room could lead to eyesight problems.
Looked at cases /deaths in a few countries (worldometers.info)
From first peak to now (daily rate, 7 day average)
UK.
Cases up 3 times
Deaths down to 1/15th
France
cases up 3 times
Deaths down to 1/15th
Spain
Cases up 20%
Deaths down to 1/7th
USA
cases up 50%
deaths down to 1/3rd
Italy
cases down 30%
deaths down to 1/32nd
Sweden
Cases down 60%
Deaths DISAPPEARED (from first peak 99 per day)
So, the ’science’ surely should be asking ‘what has changed’?
– the ‘dry tinder’ in care homes already culled in first peak
– virus milder
– testing massively exaggerates cases and severity
Pro all of the above. All without lockdown a la March-July. Announce that, Boris?
It’s so simple when you put such stats in such a way.
We really need to break the cases obsession. It’s crippling society. I see the strain everywhere now.
‘Cases’ are not an obsession. They are a ploy.
https://twitter.com/tomdabassman/status/1315281786264522753
****BREAKING NEWS!****** HOLLAND STELLT TRACK&TRACE EIN !!
Important.If you see Netherlands C-19 curve with 6000 cases today they have now thrown in the towel ie made the sensible thing stop, track and trace and concentrate on testing sick and stop testing healthy. If you are sick and pos you are just told to inform any contacts but no follow up of public health.
This could be the big gamechanger hopefully.Let us hope common sense spreads faster than C-19 in Europe
Interesting, just seen Ivor Cummins tweet a graph showing Netherlands to have had an enormous casedemic – maybe it’s finally realising the folly now?
Yes.They are also having a Public Health department nationally which is not pro mask and only isolated places use them.There are rumours that Gemany’s test and track are under sevre pressure.Let us hope the house of cards is starting to fall.
Were they not doing an RCT on masks?
I think it was in Denmark they had this study.It was finished in July and has not been published.Rumours that no conclusion could be drawn because of statistical too few cases involved.So it might nevr be published.Don’t know any study in NL.
Interesting story from Germany. A customer in a bar on the island of Sylt, where the rich like to party, although not sure if this particular bar was frequented by the rich, tested + 2 days later. He told authorities that the bar was packed (against the rules). The health dept. tried to trace people with the mandatory list, which was lacking a lot of names. So they asked people to voluntarily come forward. 101 people raised their hand.
On Monday a fine of 1000Euros was introduced, to be paid by customers who leave wrong names. No fines issued for people who came forward and did not put their names on the list.
The comments were the worst, close all bars down etc.
One man stated he read the several page list of his local restaurant and was angry by all the James Bonds, Trumps and Micky Mouse apparently dined there. Angry about false names?How about how the f… were you able to read several pages of confidential information?
This way for the showers, cattle trains to the left.
Or maybe they are aware of the Crimes against Humanity case?
Could the whole damnable fraudulent criminal facade be about to crumble. Please watch as important as Crimes Against Humanity IMO
The Great Reset’: World leaders to harness COVID and pursue ‘sinister’ climate agend11/10/202
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6199544116001
Wow. This would be a badly needed boost to sceptics in the UK and Ireland as we are facing full lockdowns again.
The amount of resources being thrown at T and T is sickening. Low downloads, poor delivery and then low compliance anyway. False negatives and false positives thrown into the mix and its a clusterf**k
I think we should pay attention to a smallish country in northern Europe with one third of its land area below sea level that still manages to account for 17% of world food exports!
They also had a lockdown” lite” if I remember correctly.Surprised that they did that considering their national character,libertarian and non conformist.But I think their Ntional Public Health Dep is on the right track,not mask endorsing and now this.
Yes I also recall them being lockdown lite. Encouraging if they are moving to a realist position. The fact they are so dependent on exports may have something to do with it. Also they are used to living with risk, given how much of the country is below sea level.
They know about managing risk, their flood defences are against one event in a thousand years, ours are one per century.
Yay!!!!!
I think belgium also stopped a couple of weeks ago. T&T is a waste of time once the infection rate gets beyond a certain level anyway.
Even at 100% efficiency you can’t do it fast enough to catch every infection + all their contacts.
Add in potential false positives and not only are you chasing rainbows but you can’t chase them fast enough.
Maybe I’m thick or just don’t know enough about these things but surely the virus could in theory last indefinitely in lab conditions?
Also, if the virus hasn’t been isolated, how can it be used in a lab?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54500673
No no, please don’t criticise yourself.
The BBC is the gift that keeps on giving. Quoting the article:
“However, the experiment was conducted in the dark. UV light has already been shown to kill the virus.”
Honestly, that comment really made me laugh. UV light, doh, doesn’t that come from the sun? So the virus will live for a month as long as it’s kept in the dark.
Well maybe.
BTW, the article you linked to says “28 days”, not “indefinitely”.
If you are infected and are not already immune then the human immune system will generally kill it. After that it’s dead, but pieces of it can remain in circulation for up to three months (Carl Heneghan).
The PCR test can detect virus genetic material (body parts), but cannot say if it’s alive or dead.
Quoting you:
“Also, if the virus hasn’t been isolated, how can it be used in a lab?”
Well it has been isolated. I’m not sure where you’re getting this notion from?
The only way to tell if the virus is alive or dead is by using a plaque assay. Which basically means you put the suspect sample on a cell culture (virus food). It it eats the food it’s alive.
Has a viral body actually been isolated?
Crowe D(2020) “Flaws in Coronavirus Pandemic Theory” suggests that has not.
Well yes. It is known to be a coronavirus. It does exist.
There are some people who will insist that it’s all fake, but I think it is simply that the danger from it is exaggerated.
Viruses are quite complex beasts. Virologists classify them according to their genetic material into seven distinct types. Genetic material resembles string, it’s composed of very long strands.
Coronaviruses are (+) sense RNA viruses. Their genetic material is a single strand of RNA (some are DNA). The (+) refers to the way their genetic material is twisted.
The genetic material is enclosed in a shell that is encoded by the genetic material. It does resemble the pictures you see.
Coronaviruses are the largest viruses of this type.
Flu viruses are (-) sense RNA viruses and are rather smaller than coronaviruses.
Pictures here taken in 2019 by an electron microscope of coronavirus MERS:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/photos.html
Who isolated the virus? Is it kept in a vault in Paris? Is there a photograph of it? Is there a description of it?
There is this:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html
And this:
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-is-what-the-covid-19-virus-looks-like-under-electron-microscopes
How do we know they’re not pics of exosomes?
Came across this
Flaws in Coronavirus Pandemic Theory
https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf
https://notpublicaddress.wordpress.com/2020/10/10/what-debate/
Author David Crowe passed away in July.
Mask-wearing, visors, distancing etc are explained by …..
this:
“A fad, trend, or craze is any form of collective behavior that develops within a culture, a generation or social group in which a group of people enthusiastically follow an impulse for a finite period.
Fads are objects or behaviors that achieve short-lived popularity but fade away.[1] Fads are often seen as sudden, quick-spreading, and short-lived.[2] Fads include diets, clothing, hairstyles, toys, and more. Some popular fads throughout history are toys such as yo-yos, hula hoops, and fad dances such as the Macarena and the twist.[3]
Similar to habits or customs but less durable, fads often result from an activity or behavior being perceived as emotionally popular or exciting within a peer group, or being deemed “cool” as often promoted by social networks.[4] A fad is said to “catch on” when the number of people adopting it begins to increase to the point of being noteworthy. Fads often fade quickly when the perception of novelty is gone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fad
Please let it merely be a fad and let it not morph into a habit.
I have reached breaking point with my (lockdown zealot) family.
Tried to make the point about false positives and against lockdowns and was told that I hadn’t logiced my arguments through. That I was living in an echo chamber of sceptics (not that they aren’t living in an echo chamber of zealots), that I was a granny killer who was advocating either locking the elderly up or killing them, that economic collapse was going to happen anyway and isn’t Sweden’s service economy destroyed and they had no lockdown (tried advising that Swedish residents on this site advised otherwise, but was told that they are in an echo chamber as well). The fact that I am an accountant and understand more than any of my family the interconnectedness of economic decisions appears to have been lost on them. The final slap was that I had expressed opinions “that are not welcome in this house”.
I think I will be breaking contact at the end of the week. Have my Dad’s car currently (he insisted I take it at the start of lockdown to allow me to avoid using public transport – I never asked for the option) but need it this week – ironically, to deliver something to a friend of his on his behalf and also take some WEEE to the recycling centre, also on his behalf!
Plan would be to do the latter next Saturday, return the car and use public transport (maskless as I am exempt) to return home.
Keep going mate it will get better. Please keep in contact with your family this will not last forever.
You will have the pleasure of saying:
“I told you so”
You might want to take the opportunity of recording them parroting givernment talking points in order that you can play their words back to them at leisure, should they in future attempt to downplay their present views.
I don’t think there will be much pleasure in that. And for those that simply don’t want to hear the logical argument right now, they will surely engage in some mental gymnastics to disavow themselves of any regret or guilt.
Hell, they’ll be encouraged to by their own leaders as they too try to say that they didn’t know better. Or that they were following the science. The compliant can just fall right back into line behind them.
I think we have seen a severe crack open up in society. For if this does play out as we see it, that the weight of reality will see the Covid facade crumble and we acknowledge that we have to live with this virus (whatever it is), there’ll be no guilt for those zealots that drove us here. There’ll be scapegoats and much hand wringing but no apology.
If you are seeing relationships break down because you have an alternative view on this, I wouldn’t expect them to be repaired anytime soon. You have to make that choice, choose your truth. This is real and I respect your bravery.
I’m so sorry. This issue has torn apart many families and friendships, but like you I have no interest in interacting with people who are irrational and perfectly OK sacrificing our civil liberties for perceived “safety.” Ironically, I have one friend who is terrified (she has lupus) and she and I have managed to keep our friendship intact by laying out the ground rules and just staying away from discussing certain aspects of this insanity. We’re both suffering because of it, so that we have in common, even though we’re on different sides of the issues. If you’re unable to interact with your family in a way that’s respectful to both sides, then it’s probably best for your sake to stay away for now.
This is very sad to hear – you are obviously an intelligent person and they know this, and yet they aren’t even prepared to consider that your views are in any way valid. Their idea that economic collapse was going to happen anyway – someone said similar to me about the unemployment situation the other day. That these jobs weren’t needed anyway and companies are using the situation to rid themselves of unwanted staff. I hadn’t heard this before – where is it coming from? Do you know?
I am sorry to hear that Ewan. To be honest, on the basis of what you have said, I think it is likely you would have ended up in conflict with your family at some stage in the future anyway. Sadly, I think your family has demonstrated a complete lack of respect for you. This happened to my husband a number of years ago, related to a family event, and a similar ‘not welcome in this house’ missive from his father. He walked away and we have not spoken to his family since. You need to protect your own mental health in these situations.
Hi Ewan, Family can be bloody difficult. I know. You could just do like I did tonight and put a few stickers up on local lampposts…”distrust the government, avoid mass media, fight the lies”. Made me feel better. No feedback from the family. Will carry on the good fight again tomorrow.
It seems to me that the brainwashing has been so complete that no argument of any kind or about any aspect can penetrate it. Its become impossible to converse with some people including family members. Shockingly neither will they read any contrary opinions but appear to thrive on the propaganda from the box in the corner. Its an unusual phenomenon and they are not to blame.
Call them a child killer https://bongino.com/study-global-lockdowns-killing-10000-children-per-month
To be excluded from a society that has gone totally insane is not punishment, but vindication. For those of you who are struggling with family and friends, my heart goes out to you. I was already a social outcast before any of this nonsense started, so the adjustments have been minimal. The abysmal coercion and emotional blackmail that the state and its supporters are using (i.e. you can’t return to public life unless you do x, y and z) is as ludicrous as it is cruel. The so-called “society” that these people are attempting to construct is unsustainable, and will fall, because it is built entirely upon lies. Will all of us live to see its collapse? Almost certainly not. We have to maintain our inner strength, no matter how bad it gets “out there”, to maximise our chances of survival. With regard to facing the ultimate sacrifice, I cannot help anyone else. This is each individual’s decision to make alone.
I’m in the best if both worlds. As a Key Worker immune from their daytime lockdown rules and as one who luxuriates in my own company I don’t care about night time curfew since I’d be home alone anyway.
I have worked from home throughout, but this will eventually end when my company issues the ultimatum to return to its Covid-safe premises (with mandatory masks and temperature checks) under penalty of termination. I expect my savings to disappear in the economic holocaust, so there is the very real prospect of having no income and no access to money.
Rather than endlessly worrying about these things, given how far off the deep end the whole society is I am instead accepting and internalising their inevitability, and preparing to face them without flinching.
Here here Richard. I myself am not a worrying type and as a recovering addict I’ve already lived through my own personal hell. I have been awaiting their big move for years and now that the SS Incompetence has docked at every government port throughout the world, we are witnessing a global coup by the A-holes. My time left on this planet is not long now.
Even if the whole charade were to collapse overnight, the reality of this non-civilisation has been fatally exposed and will never recover my respect. This is a good thing.
On a par with Crimes Against Humanity……IMPORTANT PLEASE WATCH
The Great Reset’: World leaders to harness COVID and pursue ‘sinister’ climate agenda
11/10/202
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6199544116001
Zero Covid and Herd Immunity are not the only options.
I do believe the Government are going for an all out Pyrrhic victory.
Victory over the iceberg will be declared even as the Titanic goes down.
I think the titanic comparison is apt.We have hit the iceberg and are going to sink,but the band plays on and the majority of the passengers haven’t realised yet.
And the captain is saying that the only reason we didn’t get rid of the iceberg properly the first time round is that the passengers weren’t sufficiently committed to destroying the iceberg, so he’s taking us ‘round for another go at the iceberg, because zero ice is the only wa.
Lol Matt!
A lot of the passengers I come across are down in the hold,helping to drill holes to let the water out.
Except Commander Johnson and Lieutenant-Commander Hancock, who think the water will drain out faster if they use dynamite to blow the bow off.
How on earth can small African tourism dependent countries like Mauritius recover revenues when they have such draconian Covid19 policies as set out below?
We used to visit every November, but their current policies will deter many visitors.
Just to be clear, to visit, you will need
https://www.tourism-mauritius.mu/en-int/mauritius-travel-alerts
Heard Tanzania was more chilled?
A valid ticket on Air Mauritius who have no gone bankrupt? Rumour is November will see reduced restrictions but too little too late?
Tanzania is far more chilled but remains against FCO advice.
It’s all those diseased goats and fruit that worries FCO.
Passport optional?
Well something small just brightened up my day, and perhaps the perpetrator is on here. Spotted a large ‘COVID LIES’ sticker on a sign at a roundabout on the road between Hartley Wintney, Hampshire and Reading. Nice!
Sounds like a worthy new sort of tourist attraction – something exciting and new to see anyway.
David Cameron country?
Fortunately not (although I’m sure the place is very nice!), that’s Witney.
Hands-face-space.
Hands off our ancient liberties.
Face the truth: you can’t “defeat” a respiratory virus.
Space is where the a Prime Minister is orbiting.
And so it begins, the reason for the smokescreen that is a virus. The sustainable world that officially controls travel etc, starting with OZ
As the so well deserved demise of Sturgeon continues and popcorn stocks across the land decrease, spare a thought for controller Sridhar. Sturgeon’s replacement might not take so kindly to the meddlings of a globalist American calling the most damaging shots to Scottish culture and life possibly ever.
I know it’s unlikely to change things but the very demise of Sturgeon as is happening in front of our eyes will be causing concern to Sridhar. Munch. Munch.
This is relevant to lickdown because of Sturgeon’s place in it all. Notice here what a bright sun of a webcam spotlight the sturgeon home library has. A spot light to bladt away those haggard lines and bags of nights awake way past the witching hour.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0KtcvSVgf-A
If watching this 10mintue car crash please remember that she, the woman Sturgeon, is currently sitting their in the middle of the worst plague ever to hit Scotland, we know this because of the unprecedented measure this woman has chosen to take. Those same measures have caused the collapse of her countries main industries. Keep that in mind as she spouts. Good luck to you if you make it to the end of the video, it is repellant viewing
pass the popcorn!
Alex Salmond ‘astonished’ at Nicola Sturgeon ‘attempted collusion’ claims
The row between Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon has intensified, with Mr Salmond said to be “astonished at the ever-shifting sands of her story”, it has been reported.
That from the Scotsman.
Also in the Scotsman:
Scots pub bosses hit out over ‘no guarantee’ on reopening
Pub and restaurant chiefs say they must not not be “left in limbo” over the latest Covid shutdown after being warned there is no guarantee they will reopen in a fortnight.
Sturgeon is spiralling – she is the weakest link in the globalists plan that is why I’m polluting LS with this nationalist collapse.
You’re not polluting. Keep at it.
Is Salmond planning yet another comeback? He bounces back more often than a Wobbly Man toy.
Oh, and how’s George Galloway’s campaign going? I don’t have much agreement with his politics, but by God I respect his grit and courage. Mostly because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk
I have the same admiration for Peter Tatchell even though I don’t agree with much of what he has to say.
Rumour is Salmond will start separate party. That would be fun.
https://www.change.org/p/petition-vote-of-no-confidence-in-nicola-sturgeon-and-the-scottish-government-resignsturgeon
Doesn’t matter who is in power in Scotland the parliament is a left wing, identity politics ridden, LGBTQ+, misandrist, anti – free speech cesspit.
“I know it’s unlikely to change things but the very demise of Sturgeon as is happening in front of our eyes will be causing concern to Sridhar. ”
I think if you pop over to wings over scotland there is a possible shifting in the snp locked wokeshed that is Holyrood. Independence supporters are fucked off beyond words now too.
loss of cool, should’ve worn blue… will she survive it?
The likely ordered study that alleges that the virus survives on cash for 28 days has only one purpose: to ban the use of cash, so that they can always and more easily track you.
Germany’s head of the main doctors association, certainly not a lockdown sceptic, came out last week and stated, that smear infections do not play any role in the spread, and that the disinfections in restaursnts, for example, could therefore be stopped entirely.
I read quite a few weeks ago that smear infection has been ruled out, and told a lot of the customers in the cafe where I was working so.
My (former) employer (an international catering company) did their risk assessment in spring and has not updated it, they are hysterical about sanitising.
I paid cash for a coffee in a Beefeater last week, the barman vigorously hand sanitized afterwards.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30561-2/fulltext
And this is a more realistic study – the other Oz one showing 28 day survival on banknotes etc was conducted in total darkness, the only charitable presumption being that it was to test the upper limits of survival.
There was this study reported on last week that stated surfaces were mot a concern.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-can-i-be-infected-by-touching-surfaces-ljrbthz8d
However this was the same scientist who suggested masks can help make you immune. Best to know that.
I actually think such conflicting info, on what should actually be easily enough to prove one way or the other, demonstrates something is at not right at the fundamental level.
Maybe it’s the ability to detect the virus in such studies suffers from the same problems as RT-PCR for diagnosis of infection. That CV-19 is in fact an illusive thing from a scientific point of view and proof of detection is extremely volatile. Pure speculation from me but it doesn’t smell right
My heart goes out to you scousers, but being from central belt Scotland in a twisted way i’m pleased to know that for once we’re not getting the biggest shafting in the UK.
Except Wee Krankie will need to go one up again, so you will get the extra shaft.
I have no doubt she’ll be spitting poison that Boris has managed to one up her.
Perhaps shutting the petrol stations to stop them escaping.
Well – it’ll be a good test of whether Liverpool lives up to its reputation as not taking any shit.
Vote for ‘endaypairndunce’, we won’t stop you, and then we can’t ‘shaft’ you any more.
Am I missing something?
Are Covid deaths and Influenza deaths going to be conflated?
Therefore, are we to be condemned to eternal lockdown because of ordinary winter bugs?
“This will be the last COVID-19 surveillance report, as of 8 October 2020, the information in this report will be published in a combined Weekly flu and COVID-19 Surveillance Report on GOV.UK.”
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/923668/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_40.pdf
Before the change Covid was always reported in the Flu Report. You can see it in the Feb and March reports.
@mhep
but was sars-cov-2 separately distinguishable then?
It was mentioned in the reports. Just search for gov uk flu report. There’s a section on Flu A and B and then Sars-cov-2. It was growing in importance in the reports. Whether it was in actuality is a different story
No. I very much doubt it.
How do we know when we have ‘defeated the virus’, if we don’t know how many people (separate from flu) are affected by it?
It’s seems more like a sign it is less important now. Which goes against the Casedemic.
I think they will still publish separate figures. This is a red herring.
‘Flatten the Curve on Covid’ became ‘Get the number of Covid cases down’. which will now become ‘get the number of Covid plus flu cases down’.
DT:
Nice… Modern Moron Slaves DO DESERVE to be screwed!
He had to outdo Sturgeon, who at least claims only 16 days rather than 6 months.
Gyms shut, McDonalds open.
With the RAF Regiment already busy in Birmingham they will soon run out of soldiers.
I find bedwetter unnecessary too rather like Climate denier and Antivaxxer
Since social media censor everything that goes against WHO recommendations… does that mean that anything pro-lockdown will now be removed?
Thought not.
Nope. Wouldn’t it be great if all algorithms used in the public sphere had to be published.
The Algorithm at Amazon suggesting what else I might be interested in when ordering Exempt Lanyards came up with…
Designer face masks and cheap nasty visors.
That “people will die” music is great. Shows the bullshitters up so clearly.
Bit low – just had chat with semi-love interest who apparently knows “fit people” who have “nearly died” of Covid and told me the IFR was 3%. Obviously it’s all over between us now but terrible to see someone so intelligent so brainwashed. Suspect he will crawl back when the truth is out but a bit lonelier than ever now. Oh well!
I know people who think it has a 10% IFR. Probably the same mindset as those who think 10% of the population have already died of it.
Jenny-style is stylish!
Where do such factual travesties come from? An IFR something like 200 times greater than the latest estimate -??
But this isn’t unusual, and ‘intelligence’ in that obvious sense seems to have nothing to do with it. Certainly ‘intelligence’ in the root sense is absent.
If and when he does crawl back I would recommend a firm kick in the bollocks. Except that he doesn’t have any. What a spineless piece of shit.
Lol. Don’t hold back will you, say what you mean!!
Tend to agree!
Pretty much resigned myself to the fact that any future love interests will be covid-obsessed mask fanatics, so for the time being at least, I’m not even going to bother. Just have to suck the lonliness up.
Thanks all! He has been texting begging me to come over and “worried about me” feeling this way. No way!
Hey, better to find out now that your values are not aligned. I know that’s no consolation, but you’ll find someone since you’re clearly a critical thinker who won’t settle. Hang tough!
Haha, from going on about an IFR of 3% and how we should all be very afraid, to asking you to come over, all in the space of half an hour. Is your love interest Neil Ferguson?!
That did make me laugh!!
No – not Ardnassac (son and his schoolfriend have been doing Cassandra in classics and have concluded that Neil F is the opposite in that he predicts nonsense and is believed the whole time so this is now our nickname for Ferguson!)
What women bring to politics: emotional problems.
If you need advice on whether or not you should consider the advances of your apparently more than semi love interest you should consider sparing us the drivel and confine your attention seeking to the numerous women’s magazines that cater for your sort.
It’s difficult. We all have to deal with people disappointing us!
Yes, that’s all part of growing up.
Does he hold down any sort of responsible job?
Regret to say, while Van Morrison’s newer song “As I Walked Out” does better on giving the details of the horrors and crime of lockdown, his earlier “Born to Be Free” just sounds a better song, “Born to be Free” seems more the kind of song a crowd could sing along to together, catchier tune and hence better for spreading around.
Lets hope his third anti-lockdown song ticks both boxes, tuned liked “Born to Be Free” with lyrics of more (considerably more if we’re lucky) detail than “As I Walked Out”.
Van’s still the man either way!
So weekend, ‘ignoring the nonsense’ update…..
Friday evening toddled off to the local pub. After walking in maskless barmaid gave me a T and T book so I signed in as Henrik Larsson…. really weird that I’ve got his phone number as well.
Anyway, a few beers and get talking to the bloke next to me….. his daughter was at the anti lock down protests where it kicked off.
He thinks it’s a bag of shite and we should be buying guns.
The wife turns up and we have a good anti lock down chat with the fella and realise there is sanity in the world.
Saturday… toddle off to the golf course…. couple of buses to get there…. took the kids… all maskless….. not a shit given and not a word said to any of us there or back. … few holes …. and a pint in the club house …. nobody cared.
Sunday…. number two son playing rugby at local club …. bus there and back…. maskless…. nobody said a word……. kids shouted at to stay 2m apart when they were getting put into teams….. they then spend an hour playing rugby….. no logic behind that whatsoever…… parents looking at each other in bemusement at that ….. pesky virus knows when you are milling about as opposed to playing the game……. laughable drivel.
Sunday afternoon try to get into a local Fullers pub…. told we haven’t booked so we can’t get in …… even though they admit there are untaken tables….. laughable drivel…. their loss…..
Buy a few bottles and back to my house….. 6 adults and 7 kids…… not one shit given…. and dinner for us all….. significantly cheaper than Fullers and more of it.
In the meantime number two son has taken himself and his friends off to the skateboard park for a few hours…… when he gets back I ask him if he wore a mask on the bus….. he said no, ‘but he was thinking about what you would say if I was asked’…… (Ploud, vely Ploud @alex Ferguson/biker)
Time for Chapel in evening ….. the two lads refuse to wear masks …. say they are getting fed up with this ……… good lads….
Very, very surprised by the mask wearing….. defo significantly less than previously,…. noticeable so……. very encouraging……. the psalm today was a famous one…. everybody will know it….. look it up…. 23 1:6…..
…. it is a comfort.
God bless and good night.
Musical version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4TEzKULQaM
Sounds like a good day had by all, I might have liked to join you except for the buses (and the golf).
I am sure we all know the Psalm very well so I decided, some years ago, to introduce my Greek group to the version in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew started in about 250 BC and continued until about 100 BC (these dates are very approximate).
Anyway, the penultimate verse has ‘my cup runneth over’ or so the AV has it.
Imagine my amazement when I read the following from the Septuagint (my translation):
‘Your cup is intoxicating in the extreme’.
The word used is ‘μεθύσκον’ (methuskon) which comes from μεθύσκω (methusko) which means ‘I cause to make drunk’. My Hebrew is not very good, so I looked up the Vulgate (there are two translations in my copy of the Vulgate but they both say the same thing) and found ‘calix meus inebrians’.
So what we have in the AV (and the AV does not pull its punches; the word σκύβαλον (skubalon) used in Philippians can be translated as the four letter word used in you post; the AV uses ‘dung’) is really a rather toned down version of the original. The way I read it is that what God really wants to give to us is so strong that we become intoxicated. Most (nearly all) references to drunkenness in the Bible are pejorative, but not this one.
By the way, if you do look up the Septuagint or the Vulgate, look for Psalm 22, not Psalm 23.
If you don’t wear a mask superstition says you’ve only yourself to blame. If you do wear a mask it’s not your fault:
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1315424421935411201
An odd introduction from Nodoby to a devastating critique of mask wearing. Absolutely devastating.
Have you seen the new rebuttal doing the rounds:
Hi, does anyone have an email address for Peter Hitchens, or any other influential LS? This important petition is ticking along, but could do with spreading around more widely on social media…
Nullify non-disclosure agreements/gagging orders for NHS staff for covid-19
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550598
Pass legislation to make null and void any non-disclosure agreements or gagging orders, irrespective of when entered into, when related to covid-19 (sars-cov-2), and to protect any staff who speak out. Apply to all current and former employees, directly or indirectly employed by the NHS.
Don’t know if it’s already been posted but the Sunday Times reports
‘Contract-tracing data harvested from pubs and restaurants being sold on.’
No surprises there, specifically mentions QR code as source, details going to marketing, credit card and insurance companies.
Covididiot the obvious choice I think, sorry I haven’t been following all this discussion surely someone has suggested this before?
Never mind the piss-und-drang
Bedwetters is here to stay
No speech controls – no fear – no indulging the nervous tremblers – all is mirth, all is one – language is free – go wet yourselves
Not if you whine like an impotent simp. They have votes too and, despite their apparent lack of testosterone, a great deal more ‘levveridge’.
In the desperate push for ratings, principles and consistency count for fuck all.
‘Bedwetters’ fits and I will continue to use it as i use ‘window lickers’ to describe those who wear a mask inside their cars.
I learned long ago that those who suggest that in the fight against your enemy you are stronger stripped of weapons are as much your opponents as those you face. We are past the stage at which we could use polite language to convert our enemies to reason. Now we must fight and fighting requires crude defamation of one’s opponents. How else can one hate them to the point of wanting to defeat them? We are under attack and being civil to our attackers cannot help us defend ourselves. Those who describe us as puerile and uncivilised are not on our side; they are, to use Orwell’s explanation, ‘objectively pro fascist‘, and bedwetters.
The usual BBC doom at the start but if you keep reading some insights into the terrible harm lock down is causing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54483547?xtor=ES-211-%5B36459_PANUK_NLT_41_ENG_TheTrumpShow_RET_O35%5D-20201012-%5Bbbcnews_doctorsdiaryaheartbreakinginsightintotheimpactoflockdown_coronavirus%5D