Has anyone here joined this study and/or have any knowledge or experience of it?
The basic idea strikes me as being sound but, equally, it could just be a scam to get folk like us to sign up for a quarterly subscription which offers nothing more than a basic ID type card which, needless to say, isn't official and certainly won't enable the holder to travel freely. However, it might well be enough to 'fool' staff at hospitality venues and such like.
I've done a bit of digging and found a site (linked below) which dismisses the 'Vaccine Control Group' as a scam. However, he's clearly extremely pro vaccines and makes some wildly inaccurate statements about their safety and effectiveness, indicating that he's a far from neutral observer.
Having said that, his one criticism that does hit home with me and I find worrying is this one:
". . .More telling about this company are the things that are missing:
- Where are they located? That is not mentioned anywhere. Their "About" page does mention a "£6" subscription, and their donate page for registration gives amounts in "GBP". This suggests that they are in the UK. However, there is no city, state, or street address listed.
- Who runs this? There is no mention of who created this organisation, who is doing the "research", or who is involved in it. . ."
Thoughts anyone?
he's clearly extremely pro vaccines and makes some wildly inaccurate statements about their safety and effectiveness, indicating that he's a far from neutral observer.
Thoughts anyone?
they have proven to be safe and effective with tens of thousands of people enrolled in the impeccable Phase 3 trials, but I would not sign up, here is an article on snake oil salesmem, the internet may seem familiar and safe to you but it is not, it is full of snakeoil salesmen, many posing as e.g. vaccine sceptics, they are the scum of the earth.
I'm a vaccine sceptic - which, by your definition makes me "the scum of the earth". If that's how you view people like me, I can only imagine the vitriol you must reserve for the government, MHRA and big pharma who are coercing and manipulating millions of people to have a so called vaccine that most of them don't need and that's demonstrably ineffective and unsafe.
Suffice to say, your comments make me more inclined towards the Vaccine Control Group - not shy away from them!
It is very obviously not a benign thing.
The site you referenced makes some very valid points. Choose to reject the information on vaccines and infections if you like but the basic questions about this group are still valid.
Who are you giving your money and information to and why?
The motive isn't science and even if it were it would be invalid.
This is an attempt to mine the vaccine shy.
AVOID AVOID AVOID
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-vaccine-idUSL1N2P31VF
Their address and company reg number are given:
UK Company Registration Number: 13477806
Registered Office:
117 Dartford Road,
Dartford,
Kent.
DA1 3EN
email: 
I'm not sure why we should trust a Reuters fact-checker any more than we should trust a FB fact checker, or indeed any other FC.
Some are funded by pharma, as has been disclosed not long ago and discussed by both Russell Brand and Dr John Campbell.
The trouble is, people on this forum who diss those of us with concerns over not just C19 jab safety but the motivations of the State to jab everyone and everything, will never inspire trust and confidence when they attempt to smear other sceptic groups.
I've no idea whether the VCG are what they seem; I haven't taken the plunge (yet) but if any of their articles are available to read, or if they have a forum, it may be possible to gain an insight into their purposes and goals before devoting money to it. Maybe it's just one more support group.
Just go and read their site in detail and ask yourself a few basic questions.
Why are there no named people involved?
What will they do with your money and data?
Where on earth will they get the data for the vaccinated?
What is the methodology?
What are the specific objectives.
Once you have done this you could consider if the Reuters report is wrong. It has a number of clear statements that you could check.
At this stage you can consider yourself properly informed and equipped to make your own judgement.
Just go and read their site in detail and ask yourself a few basic questions.
Why are there no named people involved?
What will they do with your money and data?
Where on earth will they get the data for the vaccinated?
What is the methodology?
What are the specific objectives.
Once you have done this you could consider if the Reuters report is wrong. It has a number of clear statements that you could check.
At this stage you can consider yourself properly informed and equipped to make your own judgement.
Hi Onion,
Your points are well made and I've done all that you advise. I've read their site in detail and got my head around what they're trying to do. Like Jane G, I'll listen to the points that Reuters makes but, as she quite rightly points out, they're just another bogus so-called 'fact checker' whose objective is to support and perpetuate the mainstream narrative. They have an agenda, as does FullFact - or almost any other of these types of sites.
I'm an old hand at assessing if people, companies or organisations like the Vaccine Control Group (VCG) are bona fide or bogus. As a paid member of staff for a website dedicated to retail traders of the financial markets, I used to advise members on how to differentiate between scammers promoting 'get rich quick working just 10 minutes a day' to genuine people offering a valuable service that's worth paying for. Based on that (extensive) experience, I'm unlikely to be duped by the likes of VCG (if they're not what they claim to be).
So, where does this leave us? Yes, I accept there are issues with the way the VCG present themselves - as per my concerns in the opening post. That said, there's nothing you've said, or that the site I linked to in my OP says, or that Reuters has said (and, certainly, nothing that 'ewloe' has said) that makes me think this is just a scam "to mine the vaccine shy".
I'm not going to sign up yet, I'll hold fire for the time being. That said, my overall impression is that although the VCG are, arguably, a tad naive in certain areas, there's nothing I've seen that convinces me they're ne'er-do-wells intent on fleecing 'the scum of the earth' like me. I suspect their intentions are honourable, even though their objectives may not be deliverable.
I will continue to watch with interest.
Just go and read their site in detail and ask yourself a few basic questions.
Why are there no named people involved?
What will they do with your money and data?
Where on earth will they get the data for the vaccinated?
What is the methodology?
What are the specific objectives.
Once you have done this you could consider if the Reuters report is wrong. It has a number of clear statements that you could check.
At this stage you can consider yourself properly informed and equipped to make your own judgement.
Hi Onion,
Your points are well made and I've done all that you advise. I've read their site in detail and got my head around what they're trying to do. Like Jane G, I'll listen to the points that Reuters makes but, as she quite rightly points out, they're just another bogus so-called 'fact checker' whose objective is to support and perpetuate the mainstream narrative. They have an agenda, as does FullFact - or almost any other of these types of sites.
I'm an old hand at assessing if people, companies or organisations like the Vaccine Control Group (VCG) are bona fide or bogus. As a paid member of staff for a website dedicated to retail traders of the financial markets, I used to advise members on how to differentiate between scammers promoting 'get rich quick working just 10 minutes a day' to genuine people offering a valuable service that's worth paying for. Based on that (extensive) experience, I'm unlikely to be duped by the likes of VCG (if they're not what they claim to be).
So, where does this leave us? Yes, I accept there are issues with the way the VCG present themselves - as per my concerns in the opening post. That said, there's nothing you've said, or that the site I linked to in my OP says, or that Reuters has said (and, certainly, nothing that 'ewloe' has said) that makes me think this is just a scam "to mine the vaccine shy".
I'm not going to sign up yet, I'll hold fire for the time being. That said, my overall impression is that although the VCG are, arguably, a tad naive in certain areas, there's nothing I've seen that convinces me they're ne'er-do-wells intent on fleecing 'the scum of the earth' like me. I suspect their intentions are honourable, even though their objectives may not be deliverable.
I will continue to watch with interest.
Would you have advised your clients to get involved with an anonymous financial organisation? I suspect no.. so what is different here?
an anonymous financial organisation? I suspect no.. so what is different here?
it's different because he is scared and needs to trust this propaganda group since he has already decided, vaccine is bad, hwe is a victim of propaganda.
@long-gone
You've misunderstood what I was saying. No doubt that's my fault for not explaining myself clearly - apologies. To clarify, I didn't have clients and I didn't advise anyone to get involved with any financial organisation - anonymous or otherwise. What I did was to provide a checklist to enable them to differentiate between the bogus and the bona fide - a bit like 'onion' did above.
The difference here is that the VCG could be perfectly legitimate - there's nothing they've done or said on their website that clearly marks then out as ne'er-do-wells. I accept the flip side of that coin is also true in that it's not clear they are completely above board and it's possible - although unlikely in my view - that they exist merely to "mine the vaccine shy". So, I'll keep an open mind and see if they grow or just fizzle out.
I've read their site in detail and got my head around what they're trying to do.
no, all you have done is absorb their crazy propaganda, you need to get a grip, and repel the anti-vaxxers.
Why would I want to "repel the anti-vaxxers"? What purpose would that serve and what good would it do? The only people that would profit from that are those with an agenda which has absolutely nothing to do with Covid or public health. Perhaps you're here to do their bidding? If so, you really need to change tack as all you do is convince "the scum of the earth" like me that I'm right. For that at least - I thank you.
