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You have an interesting definition of "worked". Mostly based on what you seem to have read in the MSM by the look of it.

Your use of the term 'MSM' is a red flag for Conspiracy Land.

There are 1000s of professional media outlets round the world. None are perfect, and many of them don't even try to be objective. But at least you can see where they're coming from, they have professional training and networks, and - crucially - they are subject to laws of libel etc.

Whereas 'stuff you read on the internet' is not.

There are a few non-professional media outlets that contribute plenty - notably Bellingcat. Wikileaks has also done a job although their model is too easy to exploit. And the spontaneous reports by large numbers of ordinary people in social media can be useful.

But overall, a sweeping rejection of 'MSM' is almost bound to end up in Conspiracy Land.

Rejecting inconvenient sources of information is a key tool of the conspiracy enthusiast.
They believe all governments, all scientists (except Dr Loon etc on social Media) , all professional media (MSM) are in the conspiracy, without thinking how hard that would be to achieve.

Becoming a "believer" tends to stop people being objective.

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Posted by: @thinksaboutit

...Bellingcat...

Your use the term "Bellingcat" is a red flag for Propaganda Land. This organisation's sole purpose is to act as a conduit for propaganda emanating from MI5, MI6 and our alleged "allies" in NATO and the US. Anyone looking for the truth should carefully study what they say and then eliminate it.

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Correct Fingal l also don't believe there was a planned conspiracy, however l do believe there was a situation generated whereby evil disaster capitalists where able to make hay while the sun shines, PPE, masks, social distancing signage etc.
What we are going to see as a consequence of that is now total UK economic collapse to the huge disadvantage of every child in this nation who have already suffered quite enough from this nonsense.
Science has tried to defy mother nature and as a result we are all going to get badly burned by the imminent implosion!!!!

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Therefore what you appear to be saying Fingal is that it is acceptable to destroy ever child in the country's future as long as it was just incompetence and not deliberate malevolence!

No, my reply is about the false notion of a conspiracy.

The UK government, like most others, resorted to lockdown because they felt they had no choice. You may disagree with their analysis - that's fine. But there is zero reason to suspect that they did it out of some ludicrous secret plot to take over the world.

You're claiming secret conspiracy theories where there are none.

Why is there no secret conspiracy?

Because it's no secret https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

Any politician using the term 'Build Back Better' is at least influenced by them https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/to-build-back-better-we-must-reinvent-capitalism-heres-how/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkcaeaD45MY

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You have an interesting definition of "worked". Mostly based on what you seem to have read in the MSM by the look of it.

Your use of the term 'MSM' is a red flag for Conspiracy Land.

There are 1000s of professional media outlets round the world. None are perfect, and many of them don't even try to be objective. But at least you can see where they're coming from, they have professional training and networks, and - crucially - they are subject to laws of libel etc.

Whereas 'stuff you read on the internet' is not.

There are a few non-professional media outlets that contribute plenty - notably Bellingcat. Wikileaks has also done a job although their model is too easy to exploit. And the spontaneous reports by large numbers of ordinary people in social media can be useful.

But overall, a sweeping rejection of 'MSM' is almost bound to end up in Conspiracy Land.

You may have missed one of my other posts where I mentioned in passing that I have a very good idea exactly how the media business works and has worked for many decades. Over the decades I have know quite a few people who worked in the business, both in the UK and the US, both for newsprint media and TV news and current affairs, and even family members were by-lined in national newspapers for years. I dont know how many times over the years you have turned on the telly or opened a newspaper or magazine and said, there's what's his name. Either someone you knew or someone who works with someone you know. The most recent US TV example was on CNN. In the UK it was on Channel 4. Its actually a fairly small world. Media-land.

So I know exactly how the sausage is made. It aint pretty. Which is why when I talk to journalists and researchers I am very very careful to make sure from the get go that it is clearly understood to be completely off the record. And if any recording is done I will be doing it too. I know the game. The latest generation of J-School drone are pretty useless reporters and very slow on the uptake but national network TV researchers can still be very well informed and usually ask some pretty intelligent questions.

By keeping to these rules over the years and making sure I never agreed to any on camera time I have kept my total on-air TV time to exactly less than 1 second. About ten years ago. As a cutaway shot while a friend was interviewed for a holiday filler piece segment on US (large metro market) local TV news.

So I know of what I speak. You should hear just how utterly cynical the people in the media business are when the start talking shop. Although I do miss the old days of a few decades ago when The Street of Shame was exactly that. Some wonderful (boozy) reprobates back then. With not an idealist (or ideological) bone in their body. And as a result wrote clear, concise few hundred word stories which were often quite informative. Not the mostly wet wokish b*llocks that passes for journalism nowadays where they dont even bother with any of the 6 W's.

I am very aware of what stories are being carried by the MSM in a whole bunch of countries. And what media outlets are playing which angles at any given time. Not just anglophone countries either. Plus I know how to the get the newswires stories and the raw new feed footage that is used in news broadcasts. Watching the 2 or 3 min raw feed is always a lot more informative that watching the 15 sec edit drop in used in the news bulletin. If only to tell you what the news editors angle is.

I use the MSM term very deliberately. Because it is a very accurate term. More so in the US than in the UK. There is an MSM accepted narrative for every storyline and that is what the MSM tells in most countries. Some more than others. The US being the most extreme example, followed by Germany, UK, Italy with France, oddly enough, being fairly media diverse the last few years. The Gilet Jaunes being the real moment the national media opened up. I've seen some very creative , innovative and informative stories in French media outlets the last few years.

So hope for the business yet.

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(@fingal)
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Correct Fingal l also don't believe there was a planned conspiracy, however l do believe there was a situation generated whereby evil disaster capitalists where able to make hay while the sun shines

One bunch of 'capitalists' benefited but a very much larger group lost out.

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