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“Okay children, let’s all pretend to be kamikaze pilots as a homage to my political career.”

First the good news. All schools will re-open in full in September, the Government has declared. No, really. They will.

Now the bad news. They won’t. At least, not if all schools are expected to comply with the voluminous and entirely pointless guidance the Government has issued today. The BBC has a summary and we’re talking about a veritable forest of red tape. All entirely pointless, of course.

  • Grouping children together in groups or “bubbles”, one per class in primaries and one per year group in secondaries
  • Avoiding contact in school between these groups, with separate starting, finishing, lunch and break times
  • Attendance compulsory with the threat of penalty fines
  • Test and trace in place for schools
  • Regular cleaning of hands, but masks not expected for pupils or staff
  • Those with symptoms told to stay out of school
  • No big group events like school assemblies and arranging classrooms with forward facing desks
  • Separate groups on school buses and discouraging the use of public transport
  • Pupils will be expected to continue with all their GCSEs and A-levels
  • Emphasis on Maths and English in primaries and in Year 7 of secondaries

Readers of lockdown sceptics may not know this, but I co-founded four schools and have been a Chair of Governors, a Chair of a multi-academy trust and CEO of a multi-academy trust. So I know a thing or two about running schools. And believe me when I tell you that complying with some of these “safety measures” will be flat out impossible.

Take the guideline about lunch and break times. Staggered break times are notoriously difficult to manage, but staggered lunch times? Forget it. Suppose the school in question is a two-form entry primary. That means 14 different classes or “bubbles”. How on earth can you have 14 different lunch sittings over the course of an hour? Just managing it with two separate sittings is a logistical nightmare and often means lunch over-runs, thereby eating into the first period of the afternoon. But 14? Cloud cuckoo land. Even doing that over the entire school day would be a logistical nightmare. These guidelines, like so much that comes out of the Department for Education, have been written by a group of bureaucrats who have never set foot in a school and haven’t a clue about how to run one.

The teaching unions have already said the guidelines are going to be “enormously challenging” to implement, i.e. impossible. So “Down tools, comrades” as per usual. Or rather, “Don’t bother picking up your tools until you’re satisfied that your school is going to comply with every jot and tittle of this guidance, comrades.” Not much hope of headteachers getting behind them either – they’ve described them as “mind-boggling“.

Back to watching The Last Dance on Netflix for teachers, in other words.

And even if a school somehow manages to hack its way through this red tape, there’s the ridiculous rule that if two or more children test positive for the virus, the entire school will probably have to close! What a complete nonsense.

In the Telegraph, Angela Epstein asks, what is the point of Gavin Williamson? Incredibly, she manages to spend 1,000 words answering this question.

If I was the Education Secretary I’d scrap all the guidance and replace it with four words: Use your common sense.

Prague Throws End-of-Lockdown Party

Residents dine at a 500-metre-long table spanning across the length of the medieval Charles Bridge in Prague (David W Cerny/Reuters)

Inspiring story in today’s Independent about Prague.

Prague has celebrated a self-proclaimed end to its coronavirus epidemic – by throwing a massive party attended by thousands of people all sharing food and without any social distancing.

The Czech capital held the unorthodox gathering to say a “symbolic farewell” to the infection and to show residents should no longer be scared to meet with friends or visit local businesses.

A 500 metre table was set up on the famous Charles Bridge with people packed along it swapping snacks and drinks brought from home.

Dancing and singing were enjoyed as local musicians played in the open streets.

The event was held despite some 260 new COVID-19 cases being found in the country last week. Fears that such an event could become a super-spreader if just a few undiagnosed sufferers turned up were apparently dismissed.

I like that note of alarmism at the end. Two hundred and sixty news cases in a week out of a population of 10.7 million. Ooh, mother!

People of Leicester, I look forward to you following suit.

World At One – and Matthew Parris – Embraces Scepticism!

Matthew Parris: Born Again Lockdown Sceptic

It seems as if the sleeping broadcasters are finally waking up to the fact that the lockdown may – just may – have been a mistake.

Matthew Parris was interviewed on the World at One today and said he’s changed his mind and now thinks we should have stuck with herd immunity.

Matthew Parris: I think the herd immunity idea was right, right from the start and I think in the end the whole world is going to develop some kind of immunity from this and it won’t mean some people won’t still get it but its not going to rage through the population as it has been doing.

Sarah Montague: So ultimately do you think we’ll look at Sweden with envy?

MP: I think it’s going to be a very long time before anybody admits that they were wrong and I suppose I should include people like me in that analysis. But I think the Swedes who stuck to the course on which we started out and then lost our nerve will turn out to have done at least no more harm to their population than the Norwegians or the Danes have.

That was refreshing enough, but the Parris interview was immediately followed by one with Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford and longstanding lockdown sceptic. He was even better!

Carl Heneghan: The death rates as they currently stand have diminished. This is a radically different disease than what it was a few months ago. About six per cent of all people in hospital were dying then. Now it’s down to about one per cent. So the key about lockdown is that it’s a very blunt tool and it should be used for one reason and one reason only because the health system is becoming overwhelmed. What we see in Leicester is an increase in the number of people coming forward for testing and a small increase of the number of people with Covid. I would say right now it’s a very blunt tool and a mistake for us to be locking down in Leicester. It’s a perfect opportunity to let the test-and-trace system start working and in fact we’ve seen a 30% reduction in cases in the last week already so it is having an effect.

The next interviewee was with Allyson Pollock, former Director of the Institute of Health and Society at the University of Newcastle. She too was a sceptic!

Last up was Professor Julien Legrande – also sceptical.

Julian Le Grand: You have to be careful about applying the precautionary principle. Epidemiologists tend to operate very much on the precautionary principle, which basically says, “Look if you’ve got no data, no information, if you’ve got a dreadful risk of some calamity, better to be safe than sorry.” Which makes a great deal of sense at the first stages, but of course what it doesn’t take account of are the costs involved and what you do when you’ve got a little more data. We’re now in a situation where actually we do have a little more data. Your previous speakers have been talking about the Leicester situation. Well, we do now know that infection rate in Leicester is incredibly low it has to be said. It’s something like 140 out of 100,000 which is 0.14%. I mean this is a tiny risk and I, in agreement with your previous speakers, think it’s certainly not worth the costs involved in locking down the entire city.

Le Grand went on to say the fatality risk for under-45s was “virtually zero”.

You can listen to the entire parade of sceptics from the 20 minute mark here.

What a pleasant change.

The Ethics of Lockdown

Good post in Hector Drummond Magazine on the ethics of lockdown by Tim James. Here’s a taster:

Deaths from COVID-19 are deaths from natural causes, wherever you believe the virus originated. The Government does not have a responsibility to prevent these at any cost, despite their repeated pledges to do “whatever it takes” to beat the virus.

Conversely, deaths resulting from the lockdown will be deaths resulting from reckless human intervention. Those deaths are their moral responsibility. The Government has no moral authority to sacrifice the lives of those at little or no risk in the uncertain hope of saving the lives of those who are.

Worth reading in full.

Covid Comedy

What’s the difference between COVID-19 and Romeo and Juliet? One’s a coronavirus and the other is a Verona crisis.

Getting Away From It All

I got an email from a reader who has escaped Britain for Switzerland and is relieved to somewhere comparatively sane.

Having got thoroughly fed up with the ongoing government insanity, my wife and I decided last week to escape Stalagluft UK and booked up flights to Switzerland. We managed to get some travel insurance despite the blanket FCO “advice” and are spending a couple of days in Geneva. Then we are moving on to the German speaking area in the Bernese Oberland and then Berne itself. While Terminal 5 and the BA flight this morning gave us our first experience of having to wear masks for hours, Geneva is a revelation. The hotel has taken away the mini bar, but otherwise it all feels blissfully normal. The streets are full of shoppers, the bars and restaurants are full and relaxed. Friends greet each other in the streets with hugs and kisses. Hard to imagine anything similar at home. It feels surreally different from the UK – the thought of 10 days away from Matt Hancock and the rest of the gang is more relaxing than an all-inclusive spa break.

Sounds quite tempting. However, I think Mrs Young has settled on the Dolemites. Just a bit nervy about the EasyJet flights being cancelled 24 hours beforehand…

Great Quote

A reader has pointed out that I included a great quote from Richard Klein in How to Lose Friends & Alienate People. That book, about my misadventures in New York, was published in 2001 (and made into a film in 2008). But this quote could not be more relevant.

We are in the midst of one of those periodic moments of repression, when the culture, descended from Puritans, imposes its hysterical visions and enforces its guilty constraints on society, legislating moral judgements under the guise of public health, all the while enlarging the power of surveillance and the reach of censorship to achieve a general restriction of freedom.

Richard Klein

Round-Up

And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Theme Tune Suggestions From Readers

Two suggestions today: “Stay Free” by The Clash and “Mad World” by Tears for Fears.

Small Businesses That Have Re-opened

A few weeks ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you. Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

Note to the Good Folk Below the Line

I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.

Shameless Begging Bit

Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation in the last 48 hours to pay for the upkeep of this site. It usually takes me several hours to do these updates, along with everything else, which doesn’t leave much time for other work. If you feel like donating, however small the amount, please click here. And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in future updates, email me here. (Please don’t email me at any other address.) I’ll try and get another update done on Saturday.

And if you’d like to join the Free Speech Union, please click here. I’ve talked about the tsunami of censorship we’re facing in my Spectator column today.

And Finally…

In my monthly column for Spectator USA, I’ve documented some of the people who’ve been cancelled in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests.

Never in the field of human conflict has so much misery been caused to so many by so few.

I’m thinking of the hard-left rage mobs that have been policing the public square since the beginning of June — quite literally in the case of the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle. I’ve been keeping a list of all the people who have suffered catastrophic career damage because they’ve fallen foul of the Red Guards — and it’s growing ‘exponentially’, as a virologist might say. Like the COVID illness at its peak, it has been doubling every two to three days.

Some of the victims have been people you’d expect to lose their heads in this cultural revolution. Nigel Farage, for instance, the former leader of the Brexit party, who lost his job as a radio presenter in London within 48 hours of comparing statue-destroying protesters to the Taliban.

Others have been canceled, not for anything they’ve said, but because those close to them have breached a taboo — like the LA Galaxy midfielder Aleksandar Katai, who was ‘released’ by the club after his wife captioned a photo on Instagram of a looter carrying boxes out of a shoe store with the words ‘Black Nikes Matter’.

But by far the largest group of victims have been white liberals in their forties or fifties who have made the mistake of genuflecting to the BLM protesters. They’ve issued pro forma statements of solidarity that have been judged insufficiently pious by their more enlightened peers. They took a knee, as it were, when what they should have done was throw themselves to the ground and beg for forgiveness.

And if you want a longer list, there’s always the one I’ve been compiling for the Free Speech Union’s Twitter feed. Now up to 50…

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

Hairdressers – another one to boycott. Have just bought a hair cutting kit which will mean that Mr Bart and I will save some money avoiding the hairdressers and their lunacy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWilbL3hKxM

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

From The Oxford English Dictionary:

Fiction: a belief or statement which is false, but often held to be true because it is expedient to do so.

The third definition of fiction as given by the OED

A sign of our times, methinks.

MiriamW
MiriamW
6 years ago

..

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago

Here’s a thought-when the second spike arrives in 2 to 3 weeks- what caused it? All the people who went to the pub or all the tourists who can arrive now without 14 days quarantine.

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago

Vernon Coleman is on it today:

https://youtu.be/jVa8maJb5JU

MiriamW
MiriamW
6 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Oh no! Not more crap about Bill Gates? Bat it away, quickly! 🙂

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago

Simon Dolan has said on twitter that the Leicester lockdown has no legal basis, it is entirely voluntary, and that is something to cheer about.

But one aspect of this that has not been covered is the way that some people in the country are now viewing people from Leicester.

In my small circle I have heard of two families, one my sister and her husband, who have had holiday’s cancelled by the people they booked with just because they are from Leicester.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  John Pretty

The govt rushed through a law, given the usual level of scrutiny by Parliament.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/685/pdfs/uksi_20200685_en.pdf

I have more or less forgotten about Parliament. They don’t seem very relevant any more.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago

This short video sums up what we did, even *despite the evidence*. This involves a lift, and a group of psychology students. “Peggy” is the UK. Sums it up perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n5shmX_eiM

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago

Pubs back open tomorrow. Mind you no singing! no laughing! I’m not sure about the table service bit. I guess after a couple of weeks of “Herr Ober” landlords will get so fed up and restore ordering at the bar

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

And no singing at weddings either..

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Always on the button!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Spot on!

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Love it! I’ve just subscribed. PC Pisspot, what a prize!

Bella
Bella
6 years ago

I am hopping bloody furious. Want to hit something! Being a suspicious and cynical kind of tyke I have been monitoring increase in number of cases in my area and making notes using this page https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 (Isn’t that photo effing disgusting by the way? Talk about misleading.) Anyway my notes have read something like this:  June 19th 770 cases (32 new in 6 days = 5 + per day)  June 24th 776 (6 in 4 days = 1+ per day) June 26th 778 (2 in 2 days = 1 a day ) June 29th (780 2 in 3 days = less than 1 a day)…and then, today…… July 3rd 1480 (700 in 5 days = 140 a day)! So why isn’t PHE up in arms? Why haven’t we been locked down? That’s more than a 140% daily increase FFS!!!! Where is the panic? Why haven’t they sent in the troops? Worse than Leicester. Call me cynical, but no this isn’t anything to do with public health.
 

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

I suggest you read carrie’s comment and mine regarding the legal action that Simon Dolan has been taking.

And Leicester lockdown is not legally enforced. It’s voluntary.

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  John Pretty

Correction: that should be “CarrieAH’s” comment. (There’s also a “Carrie”!)

eastberks44
eastberks44
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

I noticed the same thing. I have been taking the daily cumulative case figures from the government web site for several local authorities round here for the last 7 weeks. And only discovered since the Leicester lockdown that the figures I have been using only include Pillar 1 tests. Yesterday the 9 councils I follow all jumped by between 22% and 49%. I can only infer from this that the published figures, without any explanatory note, suddenly now include the Pillar 2 tests. And that’s where the BBC gets its figures from.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

They announced yesterday that they are now including both Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 in the results. Positive results were consistently coming in at under 1000 per day you see, and they couldn’t have that…

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Am I the only person in the UK who doesn’t know what Pillars 1 & 2 are ?

(It’s all right, I’m quite happy not knowing. The knowledge that it’s merely the next ‘focus point’ for the traumatised is enough.).

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Pillar 2 is testing in the community.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  John Pretty

Thanks both. But I was in blissful ignorance previously …

IT IS NOT ABOUT A VIRUS. IT NEVER WAS.

Sorry for shouting. But the aspects to focus on are surely civil liberties, the economy, public assembly, schools reopening, and preventing this or similar clusterfux ever happening again.

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I’d never heard of Pillar 2 until Monday.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  John Pretty

Me neither!

eastberks44
eastberks44
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Pillar 1 = tests carried out in NHS hospitals and Public Health England laboratories, usually offered to people who call the 111 helpline with symptoms, and NHS staff. These tests have been carried out since the early days of the pan***ic.
Pillar 2 = tests carried out by private sector partners, at various drive-in centres that are popping up all over the country, or at home by post. These tests can be ordered through a government web site, are offered to a wider range of people, and the numbers of such tests have gone up rapidly in the last few weeks.
If you want to compare “like with like” case numbers over time, only look at Pillar 1 test results. These are currently running at about 200 cases a day. Pillar 2 is adding several hundred more to each day’s reported total.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

If you want to compare “like with like” case numbers over time …

Pins… eyes …

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian
John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

The Leicester lockdown has no legal basis.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Is this from today? Because they already announced this once and then retracted it didn’t they?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago

It’s starting?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/03/wear-face-mask-queue-says-boris-johnson/

Britons should wear a face covering if they have joined a queue, Boris Johnson said on Friday as he revealed that his own mask was decorated with an image of Florence Nightingale ……
The Prime Minister said: “I think we should wear face coverings in confined spaces, where you are with people you don’t normally see.
“If you are somewhere where you are going to have to stand in a queue or somewhere where there are going to be people you don’t know, you should wear a face covering. I have got an ample supply of face coverings.”
Mr Johnson then produced a mask that he said was “a bit Hannibal the Cannibal” ….. He said it was “a Florence Nightingale face mask which looks pretty scary when I put it on”.

Official Government guidance in England makes no mention of wearing face coverings in queues.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

This is apparently what Sturgeon said about masks in shops:

“We have proceeded for a period with a voluntary approach to this,” she said. “Some people are complying and some are not.”

Er, yes, that’s the whole point, isn’t it? If you have to comply, it’s not voluntary!

Hubes
Hubes
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

He thinks we should, everybody with a brain KNOWS we shouldn’t.

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

It looks like it,I thought this bullshit would arise before the end of the week.
I don’t know whether to cry or scream !,there is no way ever that I will be forced to restrict my ability to breathe by anyone and most certainly not by that demented moron Johnson.

Nic
Nic
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Time to make a stand

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago

Latest update from Simon Dolan, received by email:

Update on Join the Legal Challenge to the UK Govt Lockdown

After our day in Court yesterday,the Govt have scrapped the existing Regs and tonight replaced them with much less restrictive ones. However, they are not fully scrapped and the threat of reimposition remains so we continue to fight for full Judicial Review

Our legal team will be analysing the new Regs over the weekend. We will come back on Monday with full details as to what restrictions remain.

Thank you everyone, and have a fantastic weekend

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Also :

“People and businesses in Leicester. If you adhere to this ‘lockdown’ you do so by your own volition. There is no legal basis in force whatsoever. You do have a choice – make it.”

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  John Pretty

UK Column today featured a Leicester factory that’s refusing to close.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-3rd-july-2020

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Not the only one, the government can’t stop them. My brother in law works for a Leicester business that is not closing either.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Good folk keeping themselves open. Takes courage to do that even if they will go to the wall if they do close for second time.

Well done folk of Leicester factories.

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Not only factories.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  John Pretty

Thumbs up to that too

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Encouraging news!

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Yippee! Although this is really the government trying to influence the outcome of Simon Dolan’s case, isn’t it..
However, the coronavirus legislation is still valid, is it not? I will find it hard to relax until that is completely repealed..

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

I wouldn’t have thought so. Might be hoping Simon will back off if they relax them.

The “validity” of the coronavirus legislation is what Simon Dolan is challenging …

eastberks44
eastberks44
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

I find this misleading. The government have not “scrapped the existing regs”, but proceeded with a partial reopening that was announced weeks ago, with a whole host of new regs for the reopened premises to follow.

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  eastberks44

Sigh. NO!

Simon Dolan was in court YESTERDAY. He announced this on twitter ONE HOUR AGO. I repeat what CarrieAH said, quoting Simon:

“BREAKING NEWS After our day in Court yesterday,the Govt have scrapped the existing Regs and tonight replaced them with much less restrictive ones. However, they are not fully scrapped and the threat of reimposition remains so we continue to fight for full Judicial Review.”

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  John Pretty

Nothing “misleading” about it.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago

Toby, an appeal:
We are getting stories right here about the horrible brutality and total inhumanity being visited on innocent people under the New Abnormal. I’ve heard others in e.g. the comments columns on You Tube (It reminds me strongly of the last chapter of Animal Farm).
You write for the big papers.Could you publish an article on the subject? It’s time a very loud alarm bell was sounded.

Gossamer
Gossamer
6 years ago

Re. the situation in Oz … I think it’s kind of amusing that the chief panic-monger’s name is Hazzard. Nominative determinism in action.

But more to the point: when bushfire season starts again, will Australia decide it has more pressing concerns than ensuring nobody in the entire country catches coronavirus? This could get interesting.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-fines-or-jail-threatened-for-people-who-travel-outside-australia-covid-19-hotspot-12018567

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Gossamer

Over here, there was an interesting pattern to the news – Brexit, Brexit, Brexit,… election election..oh, crap, election solved Brexit. Australian bush fires! Fires, fires. No more fires. CORONAVIRUS!

Don’t know where they’ll go from here. Maybe it will just be coronavirus all the time until flu season.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

I read somewhere that Swine Flu is due to make a comeback. Professor Ferguson will be rubbing his hands with glee. He got it all wrong last time, his death figures were way over the top (surprise!) so I guess he’ll be waiting to give that another go this time around,

Charles
Charles
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Spot on!

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago

I’m still mesmerised by the Starkey cancellation.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/jul/03/david-starkey-dropped-publisher-racist-remarks-harpercollins

Where does free speech enter into it if meaning and intention are ignored, but the words themselves appear to be an open and shut case of racism if quoted alongside news of universities withdrawing honorary degrees, publishers cancelling contracts, etc.?

To me, this is a free speech issue, but at the same time presumably those institutions are free to interpret the words as a thick person would, if they choose to do so. It is the issuing of the public statements about how they (mis)interpret the words that seems, to me, to be the step too far. For sure, they could cancel their contracts and so on if they’re legally entitled to, but when you enter into a contract with a publisher, I’m sure you don’t tick a box that says “The first party reserves the right to publicly trash the reputation of the second party when the contract is terminated”.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I’m with you. Subtlety of thought is a dead idea

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

When the highest paid entertainer in the world – Marie Lloyd – was hauled before some committee because her performance was considered too salacious back in 1912 she sang the same songs for them and they couldn’t see the problem. Because it’s the way you tell ’em. Irony seems to be dead. She played them straight instead of nuanced and without a hint of insinuation. Imagine delivering Shakespeare’s ‘What a piece of work is man’ straight as some sort of devotion to humanity. Dickheads.

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Smacking a bit of The Satanic Verses. Is there going to be a Fatwa next?

Ozzie
Ozzie
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Compare this with the comment by a Cambridge academic that “white lives don’t matter” and the University’s subsequent support for academic free speech. (25 June 2020)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/25/cambridge-defends-academic-said-white-lives-dont-matter/

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Yes, though to be fair, the comment went on “As white lives”. Which could be interpreted as meaning that they matter AS LIVES rather than for their whiteness – something, however, which would never have been allowed following ‘Black Lives Matter’ or don’t matter.

I wonder if Starkey was drunk at the time! Whatever his views are, I was very surprised that he let his guard down that far in the current climate; but perhaps he has had enough of academia and I imagine he is not short of a bob or two!

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  IanE

They’ll miss him more than he will miss them.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Watch the interview. There is no “open and shut” case of racism, unless you take the BLM view that racism is anything that dares to question the aims or actions of BLM. It was an unfortunate mis-speak in a discursive interview about the deletion of British history and the cancellation and censorship of anyone who did not conform to the orthodoxy.

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

I’m surprised they haven’t taken him to task for essentially saying Mary Seacole only served drinks in the officers mess

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

I know that it isn’t open and shut for a person with a brain who listens to the interview, but the BBC, Guardian, Harper Collins, various universities can spin it so easily so that it looks bad. Indeed that’s what they’ve done.

Stephen McMurray
Stephen McMurray
6 years ago

Pubs and cafes opened in Northern Ireland today. My wife and I ventured out to a cafe and, amazingly, it was as close to normal as possible. I metre social distancing applied but no masks worn by staff, no waiting in queues – just a lovely cup of tea. It nearly brought tears to my eyes.

My real concern will be tomorrow with you guys in England. I can see the MSM journalists lurking about like vultures waiting to photograph one person who passes someone less than 1 metre away. The Sunday papers will be full of photos like this with headlines screaming at us that we are definitely all going to die now due to those selfish people that decided to have a pint, save their sanity and help the economy. I suggest anyone going to a pub should wear a BLM tee shirt and then the journalists will just ignore you if you do anything dangerously reckless like accidentally come within 3 feet of another human being.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago

So glad you had a good time! But isn’t it weird that something so ordinary should bring one close to tears? I would have felt just the same.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

Ditto. I would be so happy I would cry.

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago

all they need to do is go to Box Park in Croydon and they’ll be able to get their Hogarthian recreation of Gin Alley

Hubes
Hubes
6 years ago

So I can go on holiday to Australia and not have to quarantine on my return but I can’t go to any gym in England still.

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

You will have to quarantine in Oz too though

Hubes
Hubes
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Yep and even after the journey there, quarantine, holiday and return journey all the gyms will still be shut here.

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

More than likely, utter madness

Hubes
Hubes
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Crazy, ridiculous, nonsensical rules.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

Boris says they’ll be open “in a couple of weeks”. Typically vague.They’ve probably only as far as page 567 of the rules and regs.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Jones

Interesting.
I suppose it isn’t really surprising that most scientists turn out to be cowardly dickheads, because most people are cowardly dickheads and no amount of intelligence, qualifications etc. seems to make the slightest difference.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Stephen Jones

Indeed, here is a video of what he said:

https://twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1277911544328790016

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Deleted. Copyright, apparently.

Alice
Alice
6 years ago

Excellent article:

https://conservativewoman.co.uk/leicesters-lockdown-keeping-us-cowering-to-cover-up-a-failed-coronavirus-strategy/

Apologies if it’s been posted before – I just haven’t got time to read all the posts, unfortunately.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Alice

Ditto – it would be a pretty full-time job to keep up!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Alice

The Government needed an experimental local lockdown guinea pig and Leicester fitted the bill. The practicalities mean that it can never work – a number of local businesses have said they will refuse to comply – which will allow ministers to argue that the move was a success or failure, according to their need.

Oh dear!

Hubes
Hubes
6 years ago

I just can’t understand making healthy people wear masks in public places to stop a coronavirus spreading. It’s like mandating people without aids wear condoms in public places to stop aids spreading.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

Now that would be a sight worth seeing.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Hmm, think I’ll give that one a miss should it ever happen!

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

It’s not like that. That would have an arguably useful impact.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

Jesus wept. That broke my heart, hope she understood why.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I’d feel the same as well, it’s really cruel.

Tony Rattray
Tony Rattray
6 years ago

Almost 30,000 more care home residents in England and Wales died during the coronavirus outbreak than during the same period in 2019, ONS figures show.

It will be similar for Scotland.

So the uk, scottish and welsh governments are doing a good job!

LOCKDOWN THE HEALTHY AND F**K THE MOST VULNERABLE!

If you continue to support lockdown, I hope this makes you proud!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53280011

Tony Rattray
Tony Rattray
6 years ago
Reply to  Tony Rattray

This for me is the most important info published since the lockdown and should be used to finish off the careers of all those who supported a full lockdown, instead of focusing all the states resources on those most at risk! Who are the real granny killers!

guy153
guy153
6 years ago

Let her sit down and if you get another visit from the police tell them why. As I understand it they didn’t do anything the last time above mild harassment so you might as well at least provoke them to the “this is not a verbal warning but I’m warning you that next time it will be a verbal warning” stage.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

Out for a duck Boris!

Sarigan
Sarigan
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

I want to mention his googlies too

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

Another silly ditty for the madness now prevailing:

Hypoxaemia could be fun
It’s what they want to make you dumb.
When your brain is short of O2
You will do just what they tell you
So to save the NHS
You do your best ,reduce your breaths.

My way of letting of steam
We have a small family silly verses circle.

Hopeful
Hopeful
6 years ago

UK Column news today reported on the plans each local authority has been ordered by government to draw up to manage covid19 way into the future. Meanwhile Bill Gates appears delighted to state that his vaccine will be a matter of choice. You’re right to detect the bs. Seems that universities and businesses in the US have begun the mandatory element for him. Some are stipulating flu and covid19 vaccines are required of anyone using their service and being on their premises. The new abnormal gathers pace.

Sceptics are us! Common sense and sanity will prevail as long as we keep thinking and speaking. Shove the muzzle you know where.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Hopeful

Was anything said about the vaccine being mandatory for children to be able to attend school? Would seem that BG is very confident that the vaccine can be rolled out soon… was it made at the same time as the virus, I wonder…??? Would explain why he never seems worried about getting the virus himself..

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

He says it won’t be mandatory but voluntary BUT universities, companies, schools etc will not let you in if you have not had it.

Expand this to travel and so on and not having the vaccination, covipass, app etc will make your life a real misery BUT it will be voluntary so your choice – get it or no education, no shopping, no travel, no mixing with other people so all very disengious.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

..and likely no job either..?

Cruella
Cruella
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Sorry, where did you read this?

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Hopeful

Anyone know about UK employment law – could employers mandate vaccines here ?

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago

Boris has just said ‘Lockdown has saved many hundreds of thousands of lives’ – Jesus wept!

jim j
jim j
6 years ago

I guess he doesn’t want to accuse himself of torpedoing the country

The Spingler
The Spingler
6 years ago

He would say that wouldn’t he? He’s never going to admit it was a mistake, especially as moat of the general public are still pro lockdown

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

He is still following Ferguson’s model, and the rolling lockdowns proposed (as per Leicester). It is clear the Leicester lockdown is totally unnecessary – yesterday’s positive tests across the entire UK only 544, 581 the day before!

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

He needs a check up from the neck up, along with the rest of the lockdown purveyors.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

He needed three goes at saying ‘test and trace’. He is talking in riddles with bull and bluster!

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Shortening from the neck up would be more effective.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago

It’s easy to make claims that are impossible to prove otherwise.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

It shouldn’t be, if the media and opposition were doing their job. It’s a preposterous claim. The evidence points in the opposite direction.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago

He is blind to that – he doesn’t seem to care enough to inform himself of the consequences of his actions

Hoppity
Hoppity
6 years ago

I’m beginning to wonder if he has early-onset dementia.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

Is he living in cloud cuckoo land or what?

Well he’s not going to say that once he sees the figures for unemployment, bankruptcy, suicides, domestic violence, child abuse and non-covid deaths.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It’s a terrible thing to say, but at this stage, and having just listened to him, Whitty and Vallance (both doctors) I don’t think they give a damn.

bluemoon
bluemoon
6 years ago

We’ve all been buffooned!

IanE
IanE
6 years ago

Your comment is certain, Boris’s is very debatable!

AdamD
AdamD
6 years ago

The problem we have is that the pro-lockdowners actually believe the “hundreds of thousands of lives saved” message. It doesn’t matter what you say about the economy, jobs, poverty, non-covid deaths – those pro-lockdowners are going to just say that us sceptics don’t care about the covid deaths, and that we are quite happy to go infecting people to kill some more. Yes, unfortunately it is that bad folks.

(I received this sort of response from pro-lockdowners when I posted an opinion on YouGov stating that lockdown does not save lives – I had responses ranging from bewilderment to outright personal abuse)

We only stand a chance of winning this argument when we convince them of the truth that lockdown does not save lives, oh and when enough of them are out of work and wake up to this mess.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  AdamD

I agree with your last point – until it really hits in the pocket then nothing will change in overall terms. September/October is going to be when it really hits, in my view. Sadly, we will all be suffering from the impending economic catastrophe one way or another – except the elites, of course, with their guaranteed gold-plated salaries, pensions etc

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

Agree. Just wait for the furlough to end and possibly announcing tax raids on pensions to pay for the profligacy of the last few months. Add in more job losses and businesses going bust – hopefully that should wake up even the most rabid lockdownista and muzzle wearer.

Sarigan
Sarigan
6 years ago

Refreshing conversation with clients booked to cruise the Mekong and tour Vietnam and Cambodia in November. Talking about measures that may be in place and they said that if masks were mandatory anywhere, they will not travel as they consider it a breach of their human rights and would detract from the holiday experience. I agreed wholeheartedly and although it means I will lose money if they cancel I am looking forward to the battle with the airlines, hotels and river cruise company. Could set a precedent for refunds in the industry and I shall seek legal advice and update when I know more.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Go it.
I would say the same as your excellent clients. Masks on – deal off.

sue
sue
6 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

I read somewhere that Cambodia were going to charge tourists some ridiculous fee on entry to cover their medical/death from virus – any truth to that? I can’t remember the amount but was very steep in the 1000s – would kill any tourism dead never mind tourists.

Kevin
Kevin
6 years ago

Hi,
Where’s the information that says that the Kary Mullis PCR test is no good for virus testing? I remember reading somewhere that the inventor said that it was unsuitable for viruses but I’ve just had a quick search and I can’t find anything.
Thanks.

Sarigan
Sarigan
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin
guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Thanks for posting the link again. I have to say I find that article a bit _too_ skeptical.

The entire genome of SARS2 has been sequenced many many times after being isolated from people presenting with Covid-19. In any case, SARS2 infection is a necessary condition of Covid-19 by definition. We don’t need electron microscope photographs.

As for the accuracy of the test it’s well known and widely conceded that its sensitivity sucks. You need to get a decent sample and as they say maybe the reverse transcription to DNA can go wrong (but I don’t know how common that actually is).

The specificity of the test on the other hand is high. The tests report the number of cycles it took to match and the people running the tests know to use a reasonable threshold. PCR is used all over the place for lots of other things, not just diagnosis, and the basic process works.

The lower the prevalence of the thing you’re looking for the more important the specificity of the test becomes. So when you read about 10 million tests in China and a few hundred positives, they could easily all be false positives, and… Read more »

Sarigan
Sarigan
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153
Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

I’m trying to find a video link of an interesting talk (or I found it interesting) by some virologist researchers talking about the new emerging theory that a virus is not something from outside the body invading it but is a byproduct of the body’s auto-immune system’s fight against whatever was making it ill which is why there are bits and pieces of a “virus in cells all over the body but never a full genome or piece or whatever the correct term is.

The theory is gaining ground but the videos I can find at present are not as good, concise or as clear as the one i can remember but will post it if I find it.

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Are you referring to exosomes?

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Not sure maybe, sounds familiar though. Germ theory and terrain theory was something I was watching earlier but got to watch it again to let it sink in and understand the difference.

I’m still looking for the video I watched as it is the best one I’ve seen by far.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

I think this might be one of the videos I was watching a while back:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rgA8FNDRP5l1/

There are a few more links in the comments to similar videos.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Or possibly these:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/f6OV5hHYesdv/

There are a few more links in the comments to similar videos.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

But what was making it ill under this theory? The rabbit hole certainly does run deep with viruses. Endogenous retroviruses are particularly interesting. We have probably evolved symbiotically with them making the metaphor of “invasion” the wrong one.

And yes of course it is the body that makes copies of the virus– that’s how they work. So any SARS2 that infects you was made in someone else’s body by their cells. They don’t come from anywhere else and can’t replicate on their own.

Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Where is the proof that the Covid-19 symptoms (a vague and expanding list many of which apply to many conditions) are caused by SARS2 infection? It’s impossible to show that it’s not merely Dr Bhakdi’s “spuk”.

jrsm
jrsm
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

As far as I know, there is none. They say that COVID-19 kills through pneumonia and ARDS, but up to 90% of the people who died ‘from’ COVID didn’t have any respiratory distress. If one can’t even describe the clinical manifestations of the disease, how can one prove that it is caused by a virus, and that the virus is not simply present when the person dies? Another red flag is the fact that COVID-19 doesn’t change the normal age structure of deaths, i.e. old people die much more frequently than older people, as usually happens.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  jrsm

There are other clinical manifestations besides ARDS– the main one seems to be thrombosis and hypoxia. The exact mechanism for how that’s caused isn’t fully understood, but if you observe a correlation in people with those problems who test positive for SARS2, and who also have a fever and other symptoms of an infection, then it’s a good bet and worth investigating.

The acid test is really an autopsy. If someone dies of ARDS and you find their lungs are in a terrible state and there is a lot of SARS2 in them that’s pretty much a smoking gun.

I am skeptical of some reports you read in the media that the virus is infecting other organs like blood vessels, the kidneys and even the brain. I’ve never seen anything in the scientific papers linked to besides speculation. But if someone does an autopsy and actually find the virus in these other organs that would be more convincing.

An old person often has multiple life-threatening things wrong with them so you can’t usually say whether Covid-19 (or any one factor) killed them or not without it being a matter of definition and judgment.

You make a good point about the… Read more »

jrsm
jrsm
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

True, but some have argued that thrombosis and silent hypoxia are actually caused by undiagnosed embolisms, which have such devastating outcomes because they cannot be treated with ventilators.

As you say, the acid test would be an autopsy, but most countries have banned them on safety grounds, which further raises suspicions that they have something to hide. If this is a disease we do not understand, we would in principle want to perform as many autopsies as possible.

I’m not saying the virus cannot be the main cause of serious disease and death in a number of people, but I doubt that the epidemic would have reached such proportions if, for instance, people with terminal cancer were not counted as Covid-19 deaths.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  jrsm

It’s true there is grounds for skepticism here. The people who are dying of heart attacks, embolisms etc., may be just dying from the overall stressfulness of the situation, both physical and psychological. And anyone who gets intubated, especially anyone frail, has a good chance of not surviving the experience whatever might have been wrong with them before.

The “null hypothesis” is that if Covid kills you it’s via ARDS. The evidence for other mechanisms is speculative so far, as you would expect as it is early days.

There is definitely an incentive (if not a conscious one) for everyone to believe people are dying of Covid because that’s the war we’re supposed to be fighting and it’s easier to shrug those deaths off. Nobody wants to hear about friendly fire.

People with terminal cancer are openly being counted as Covid-19 deaths. The counts are usually of people who died with not of. Then you look at excess deaths to get closer to the true picture. Although not ideal I think this is the best we have because deciding what someone died of is a matter of opinion and judgment which will differ between Doctors especially around the world. So… Read more »

jrsm
jrsm
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

I agree that excess deaths are important because, for example, Sweden has 537 Covid deaths per capita and the UK has 650, but if you look at the Euromomo graphs, Sweden has a much smaller spike in mortality, which suggests that many of the deaths were caused by lockdown.

Ted
Ted
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Sure, when used to see if the prevalence of the virus in a population is increasing or decreasing, or just to estimate its prevalence at point in time there is certainly a signal. But there is considerable noise as well, thus the confidence interval. That is not how the state and media are using it. They are counting all positives as “cases.” They report X cases today, which is Y more or less than yesterday. They incorrectly assume it is all signal, no noise. Same with individual diagnosis, a positive result indicates you “have” Covid19. They don’t tell the truth in either case, that the likelihood is that infections are increasing or decreasing based on testing but we cannot be sure how much, here is a confidence estimate at 95% probability. Of course, this assumes that when you test at an industrial scale as we are in the US, that you have any idea what the error rate is or how it might change as private companies belch forth 100s of thousands of test results per day. PCR is a fussy business, it was never intended to diagnose as part of some kind of factory output.

Experienced Scientists (should) know… Read more »

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Ted

Just saw this little anecdote on Twitter: ‘This morning my Uncle went to his knee doctor for a post-op check up, his Doctor told him a story: “Four colleagues and I did an experiment; we sent in 7 unused tests with fake patient names, and all 7 RETURNED positive”

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Ted

Don’t get me started on the state and the media… Both are a constant source of inconsistent and uninformed drivel.

I was commenting on a Guardian article yesterday amazed by how many of their readers have swallowed the line that having Covid doesn’t necessarily confer immunity and how the whole subject is shrouded in uncertainty and yet that somehow a vaccine will save us. How do they think vaccines work exactly? As usual these articles are written by people with “credentials”, who should know better, but who are using weasel words to mislead their readers. Sorry for thread drifting but here’s the article:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/02/security-global-pandemic-vaccines-treatments-coronavirus

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

here’s one:

http://transmissionsmedia.com/the-ebola-tests-inventor-says-the-test-is-unreliable/

Quote from the man himself:

“Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron.”

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Quantitative PCR is when you try to estimate how much virus is there, not whether it’s there at all. Covid tests aren’t doing this– they’re just a negative or positive.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago

So the Government have climbed down over travel quarantine at last! We still have to fill in the dreaded Passenger Locator Form on return though.

Oh and apparently zero fines have been issued by the Police for breaking quarantine on return to the U.K. recently . . . .. 😉

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-corridors#travel-corridors-countries-and-territories-exemption-list

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

That fairly short list of countries, which includes some pretty obscure destinations, might placate some people hoping to have a summer holiday, but it won’t do much to halt the destruction of livelihoods dependant on the aviation/tourism industries.

I guess it’s a start. Hopefully the list will be added to.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Guessing it will be a loooong time till they add Sweden to the list…

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Oh definitely, they couldn’t have people experiencing normal life, it might give them ideas!

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

They couldn’t track down Mickey Mouse at Buckingham Palace, then?

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